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Even though it's covered in the Cranky Kong article, I definitely think it's important to note here so I don't see why it's not necessary on both pages given the other inconsistencies throughout the years are mentioned on both. It doesn't seem like Nintendo really makes much of a distinction between "classic" and "modern" DK given the loose nature of the Mario series' canon (Baby DK comes to mind), so I don't get why it's not worth mentioning. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 19:32, January 25, 2020 (EST) | Even though it's covered in the Cranky Kong article, I definitely think it's important to note here so I don't see why it's not necessary on both pages given the other inconsistencies throughout the years are mentioned on both. It doesn't seem like Nintendo really makes much of a distinction between "classic" and "modern" DK given the loose nature of the Mario series' canon (Baby DK comes to mind), so I don't get why it's not worth mentioning. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 19:32, January 25, 2020 (EST) | ||
:The early ''Super Smash Bros.'' games aren't notable because they also seemingly treat Link like one individual character. The marketing of ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' ''does'' imply that Donkey Kong is from the arcade game; however, the storyline of its direct sequel ''also'' implies that Donkey Kong fell in love with Pauline at first sight, which strongly suggests that he can't be the same Donkey Kong or even Donkey Kong Jr. As far as I can tell, inconsistencies like this only happened because Nintendo wasn't quite sure what to do with the property after Rare left - Nintendo never actually tried to retcon Cranky Kong out of being the original Donkey Kong, even if Rare couldn't keep their story straight on his exact relationship to the modern Donkey Kong toward the end. Despite the interim between Rare and Retro's platformers, Nintendo still acknowledged that the arcade Donkey Kong is an ancestor of the modern one, such as in ''Mario Superstar Baseball'' and ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', and the current story on Cranky Kong is the original one from ''Donkey Kong Country''. For these reasons, the bigger story is Rare's inconsistent portrayal of Cranky Kong as either Donkey Kong's grandfather or father, and regardless, all of this is directed to the [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|identity confusion]] section. Like what was decided for the [[Koopalings#Family relationship|Koopalings]], it's for the best to keep the information all in [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|one spot]], because doing otherwise is messy and can potentially cause even more confusion, which isn't really necessary when this has been a settled issue for a good decade. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:30, January 25, 2020 (EST) | :The early ''Super Smash Bros.'' games aren't notable because they also seemingly treat Link like one individual character. The marketing of ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' ''does'' imply that Donkey Kong is from the arcade game; however, the storyline of its direct sequel ''also'' implies that Donkey Kong fell in love with Pauline at first sight, which strongly suggests that he can't be the same Donkey Kong or even Donkey Kong Jr. As far as I can tell, inconsistencies like this only happened because Nintendo wasn't quite sure what to do with the property after Rare left - Nintendo never actually tried to retcon Cranky Kong out of being the original Donkey Kong, even if Rare couldn't keep their story straight on his exact relationship to the modern Donkey Kong toward the end. Despite the interim between Rare and Retro's platformers, Nintendo still acknowledged that the arcade Donkey Kong is an ancestor of the modern one, such as in ''Mario Superstar Baseball'' and ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', and the current story on Cranky Kong is the original one from ''Donkey Kong Country''. For these reasons, the bigger story is Rare's inconsistent portrayal of Cranky Kong as either Donkey Kong's grandfather or father, and regardless, all of this is directed to the [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|identity confusion]] section. Like what was decided for the [[Koopalings#Family relationship|Koopalings]], it's for the best to keep the information all in [[MarioWiki:Once and only once|one spot]], because doing otherwise is messy and can potentially cause even more confusion, which isn't really necessary when this has been a settled issue for a good decade. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:30, January 25, 2020 (EST) | ||
::I'd argue the fact that the original DK and modern DK share an article (while simultaneously having a separate article for Cranky) with no mention of why is far more confusing. Like I said, Nintendo doesn't really keep a super consistent canon, and it seems to me that they don't really make an official distinction between the two incarnations of Donkey Kong on any sort of large scale, given some of the other elements they introduced (Baby DK, DK Jr. originally being DK's partner in beta versions of Double Dash, etc.), I'd say it warrants at least a sentence covering it, I don't see how that causes any more confusion than the current setup, especially since the "original vs. modern DK" dichotomy is barely referenced in DK games nowadays. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 07:31, January 26, 2020 (EST) | ::I'd argue the fact that the original DK and modern DK share an article (while simultaneously having a separate article for Cranky) with no mention of why is far more confusing. Like I said, Nintendo doesn't really keep a super consistent canon, and it seems to me that they don't really make an official distinction between the two incarnations of Donkey Kong on any sort of large scale, given some of the other elements they introduced (Baby DK, DK Jr. originally being DK's partner in beta versions of Double Dash, etc.), I'd say it warrants at least a sentence covering it, I don't see how that causes any more confusion than the current setup, especially since the "original vs. modern DK" dichotomy is barely referenced in DK games nowadays. | ||
::A note on the Smash thing too, I double-checked that and it doesn't bear anything saying there's only one Link or that OoT Link and LoZ/LTTP Link are the same, just that Link is the hero of the Zelda series (which he is, I don't think the idea of a Zelda timeline or there being different Links was established at that point, just that the games have their own continuity), unlike the DK ones where it explicitly references them as being the same. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 07:31, January 26, 2020 (EST) | |||