Category talk:Characters from other Nintendo games: Difference between revisions

==Include all characters that originated from ''Doki Doki Panic''==

The last proposal was canceled because they changed their minds. But this time I'll try my proposal in a different way. How do you think about including all the characters that originated from ''[[Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic]]''? Besides Birdo and other bosses from ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'', we also include Shy Guy and any other enemies.

#{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} I think this makes sense because the enemies made their first appearance in that game.

#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per WT.

===Oppose===

#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} <s>Per Camwoodstock.</s> Per my comments below.

#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per all

===Comments===

I guess I'll finally throw my two cents into this: I always found it a bit odd that (most of) the SMB2 bosses are included here. I get it, they originated from ''Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic'', so they're ''technically'' from a non-Mario game, but at the same time, that's also the only major non-Mario appearance they have. Their later appearances are in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' and remakes, other Mario games (more major for some than others), and whenever they do reappear outside of a Mario game, the non-Mario game makes sure that their appearance is Mario-adjacent. In other words, they have been integrated into the Super Mario franchise since their debut in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'', starting with ''Super Mario World'', while the Yume Kōjō '87 event that ''Doki Doki Panic'' was made for is not really a thing anymore. [[Birdo]] for instance sticks out like a sore thumb because she makes ''constant'' appearances in the ''Mario'' spinoff games even to this day.<br>But what makes their inclusion even weirder for me is the ''ex''clusion of the various enemies that ''also'' debuted in ''Doki Doki Panic''. Like, why is Birdo here when [[Shy Guy]] is not, even though Shy Guy ''also'' makes constant appearances in the Mario franchise to this day? Logically, because these are ''species'', not ''characters'', hence the exclusion of [[Deku Baba]], but then why isn't there a category for this, and why does this category include the redirect [[Metroid (species)]] then? And aren't [[Inkling]]s and [[Snowboy]]s ''technically'' a species too?<br>If you ask me, either include ''all'' the SMB2 characters (sans Clawgrip), or don't include 'em at all. If you decide to include some characters because of a technicality, then you can't exclude the others just because they're species instead of characters, when the category itself ''already includes species'' (which, btw, [[:Category:Third-party characters]] also does: hello, [[Moogle]] and [[Platypunk]]). It only makes the whole decision look awkward. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:48, February 18, 2024 (EST)

:I have to agree with everything you said. While we're on the subject of distinction between species and character, the [[Behemoth]] and [[Behemoth King]] are also only represented by a single individual in their sole ''Super Mario''-related appearance, ''[[Mario Sports Mix]]'' — yet we're currently treating them as species rather than characters unlike the playable Square Enix species representatives. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 15:30, February 19, 2024 (EST)