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 == Consider [[Yoshi (species)|Yoshi]]s a subtype ==
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 ''[[Super Mario History 1985-2010]]'' contains the following line from [[Takashi Tezuka]] on {{media link|SMHAmerican SMW and SMAS.jpg|the ''Super Mario World'' section}}:
 :"Yoshi was originally meant to be a type of Koopa. That saddle you see on his back was actually his shell."
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 #{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal, if there's officially a connection then I don't see why we should ignore it and much of the opposition here seems to stem from misunderstanding the proposal's points.
 #{{User|Blinker}} It's not like the concept of a "Koopa" is particularly well defined. It's pretty much used as an umbrella for turtles in the Mario series, seemingly on purpose. It even includes things like Spikes and (at least early on) Rocky Wrenches, where the turtle aspect mostly starts and stops at the shell. How many enemies in the series (not counting the Wario and DK games) are in the non-Koopa [[:Category:Turtles|Turtles]] category? The Earth Vellumental and [[Ocean Small Turtle|some mechanical turtle-shaped platform]]. That's it. Anyway, per proposal.
+#{{User|Pseudo}} Per all.
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 #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} *angry Yoshi grunts* Bring-ha! (Per all.)
 #{{User|PaperSplash}} Per all.
+#{{User|Arend}} Per all. There ''might'' be a link between Yoshis and Koopas, but as far as I'm aware, Yoshis being a subtype of Koopa has never been stated as fact outside of the conceptual phase, let alone in the games or manuals. As Seandwalsh said, Yoshis are more often stated to be dinosaurs or dragons instead. Saying they're actually Koopas the whole time, even in the finalized design of Yoshi, feels way too speculative to me.
+#{{User|Tails777}} Per all, especially Seandwalsh, Swallow and Arend.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
+#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Wow. Let's not take a bit of trivia and then immediately consider these ideas scientific fact.
+#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per what everyone else has been saying. Things change from their original concepts all the time, including relations between characters and even entire species; it's just a part of the creative process, and sometimes links between concepts get severed. Taking things from old concepts at face value like this is at best very silly, and at worst very irresponsible.
+#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
+#{{User|ChompworksEngineer}} Per all.
+#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
+#{{User|ToxicOJ}} Per all.
+#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
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 "Turtle and not Koopa" is simply because in Japanese, the word "Koopa" means [[Bowser]]. What we call "Koopas" here are just called "turtles" in the Japanese scripts. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:13, August 30, 2023 (EDT)
-By the way, [[:Category:Yoshis|Yoshis]] are currently a subcategory of [[:Category:Koopas|Koopas]]. If this proposal fails, I assume they'll instead be treated as a subcategory of [[:Category:Turtles|Turtles]]? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:53, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
+By the way, [[:Category:Yoshis|Yoshis]] are currently a subcategory of [[:Category:Koopas|Koopas]]. If this proposal fails, I assume they'll instead be treated as a subcategory of [[:Category:Turtles|Turtles]]? EDIT: By the way, I wonder what the "Yoshi was originally meant to be a type of Koopa" statement might have been like before being translated... [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:53, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
+:Them having shells does not automatically mean they're turtles. Yoshis have officially been stated to be either dinosaurs or dragons, so it should be a subcategory of those, I feel. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:53, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
+::Sure, it doesn't automatically mean that, but Yoshi's still called a turtle in the Crafted World interview. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:22, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
+To the people asking: [https://ameblo.jp/gsball/entry-10891620941.html Tezuka explicitly mentioned the カメ族 (Turtle Tribe) in the 20th anniversary booklet], just like he does in the interview above. With that being said, while Yoshi being a turtle is starting to have gameplay relevance (case in point, him being grouped along with the turtles as a “driver wearing a shell” in ''Mario Kart Tour''), as far as I’m aware official bios, published after the Tezuka’s interviews that established Yoshi as a turtle, avoid mentioning this topic altogether.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:13, September 1, 2023 (EDT)