User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick/Archive 4: Difference between revisions

I thought I saw it somewhere, but I wasn't sure so I figured it'd be safe to go with what TCRF's development article said (though it weirdly enough uses the old "Biting Bullet Bill" name). Good to see my instincts were right. I also have a pet theory that the color palettes were decided later after it was decided to turn them into their own subtypes, but I don't have much to go on other than a hunch. On the topic of ''Yoshi's Island'' stuff, something else occurred to me recently. As you'll recall, there was a suggestion on the Lakitu in a Pipe (which I'm pretty sure were only named once) talk page to merge it with the regular Lakitu article, but it stalled. Maybe it's being looked at incorrectly. In ''Yoshi's Island'', there's a similar variant of Lakitu called Aqua Lakitu, and while they don't appear in Warp Pipes per se, their Japanese name literally translates to "''Pipe Jugem''" and the English ''Super Mario World 2'' and Japanese ''Super Mario Advance 3'' guide references refer to them dwelling in sewers or pipes. That sounds a lot like Lakitu in a Pipe. The attack pattern differences can be mostly attributed to Lakitu's own behavior differences between games, with it having a different aiming mechanic and popping Spiny Eggs. The rationale would be not unlike the evolution of some enemies like Bouncing Bullet Bill or Circling/Boo Buddy/Block, which started off being considered minor unnamed variants and became its own derivatives later on. What do you think about that? Potentially shifting pipe variant discussion from a Lakitu merge into an Aqua Lakitu merge? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:52, November 13, 2021 (EST)

:I'll probably try to look more into ''Super Mario World'''s pipe variant when I get a chance then. So about Volcano Lotus: Ponkey's ([[tcrf:Development:Super Mario World (SNES)/Background Graphics and Tilemaps#Japanese Version 2|final?]]) name is probably an intentional throwback, but there's not much that can be done in terms of a parent/variant relationship now that we know [https://imgur.com/a/UvABP#104 of] [https://archive.org/details/smw-nintendo-official-guide-book/SMWAPEvol1/page/25/mode/2up sources] stating it's derivative of Lava Lotus. To be honest, from a design/mechanic perspective alone, that seems more like it, so this might even be a sort-of reverse-Bob-omb situation if you will. Just the same, I thought keeping the "comparable" things in the infobox to the most relevant subjects in terms of more precise attack behavior nuances helped more in navigation, though I did forget about Lava Lotus's original sprite - maybe, in a roundabout way, the Ponkey name was ultimately shared with Volcano Lotus as an allusion to Panser actually being the inspiration for Lava Lotus? Feel free to put that back in. There's also the matter of Wild Ptooie Piranha, which looks like it borrows both Panser's firing arc and Volcano Lotus's recharge time, and I feel it should need a talk page discussion before going beyond that. On the topic of fiery enemies, I noticed that the [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/guide.html#smcape ''Super Mario Collection'' Shogakukan guide] refers to the longer type of Fire Bar variously as 「大ファイアバー」 (32), 「ビッグファイアバー」 (63), and 「[[Huge Fire Bar#Names in other languages|大きなファイアバー]]」 (86), probably among others. Now, I'm aware this could just be a guide writer making up general adjectives on the spot, but it may be worth cross-checking these with other sources at some point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:01, November 14, 2021 (EST)