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|nominated=13:22, 6 February 2017
|nominated=13:22, February 6, 2017
|passed=<!--When it is 5-0, put the time (such as 12:10, 11 December 2012) of the fifth support/removal of last oppose by copying it from the history of the page.-->
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==== Support ====
==== Support ====
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#{{user|Supermariofan67}}
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#{{user|3D Player 2010}}
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#{{user|BlitzTheChainChomp}}
#{{user|TheFlyingBowser}}
#{{user|296lmn20}}
#{{user|Goomba nr.34}}
#{{user|Mimikyu}}
#{{user|PinkYoshiFan}} - The Personality section and the listing of games seem nice and well done.
#{{user|supermariowahoo}} I learnt a lot about Luigi's history from this page, the writers did a really good job!
#{{user|BoygeyMario}}
#{{user|Polterpup}}
#{{user|GashomyWiki}} - This article looks very well.


==== Oppose ====
==== Oppose ====
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Organization of the page is still a huge mess. Every non video media is spliced off into their own little areas when they should be ordered chronologically (like, the Super Show appearances should be around the Super Mario Bros. 2 area or something), and that type is something we forbid. Mario Sports Superstars is pretty much propped in the middle of nowhere when, since it's not part of any series, should go on the bottom of the page beneath Super Mario Run. Profiles and Statistics section should be written about Luigi's profiles and statistics rather than listing random entries from the article. I'll take a look at the writing later.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Organization of the page is still a huge mess. Every non video media is spliced off into their own little areas when they should be ordered chronologically (like, the Super Show appearances should be around the Super Mario Bros. 2 area or something), and that type is something we forbid. Mario Sports Superstars is pretty much propped in the middle of nowhere when, since it's not part of any series, should go on the bottom of the page beneath Super Mario Run. Profiles and Statistics section should be written about Luigi's profiles and statistics rather than listing random entries from the article. I'll take a look at the writing later.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Lacking substantial amount of information and contains many questionable statements. See comments for full complaint.
#{{User|A51 Trooper}} Per Baby Luigi.
#{{User|The Koopa Bro.}} Per All


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@{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} That was just an example not to be taken ''literally'' because I don't want to sort through history sections to find out exactly where to put it. What I'm trying to say here is that other media needs to be ordered chronologically despite that they appear in alternate media. [[MarioWiki:Chronology|That is MarioWiki's policy]] and this article violates that by splicing the sections into the latter areas of the article. You're wrong about Mario Sports Superstars, we separate Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Sports Mix. Mario Sports Superstars is not connected to any of those former sports, so it should be on the bottom with its own category. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:22, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} That was just an example not to be taken ''literally'' because I don't want to sort through history sections to find out exactly where to put it. What I'm trying to say here is that other media needs to be ordered chronologically despite that they appear in alternate media. [[MarioWiki:Chronology|That is MarioWiki's policy]] and this article violates that by splicing the sections into the latter areas of the article. You're wrong about Mario Sports Superstars, we separate Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Sports Mix. Mario Sports Superstars is not connected to any of those former sports, so it should be on the bottom with its own category. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:22, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:@any voters: Seriously, go reread MarioWiki policy pages before you happily impulsively vote to remove my vote, because what you're voting for obviously violates it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:25, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:@any voters: Seriously, go reread MarioWiki policy pages before you happily impulsively vote to remove my vote, because what you're voting for obviously violates it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:25, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@{{User|Baby Luigi}} Well, you don't have the right to tell me what to do. I will impulsively vote if I want to impulsively vote.{{User:TheFlyingBowser/sig}}
:You're foolish. You do realize your vote means '''nothing''' as long as oppose votes are still up and they will be up. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:35, 13 February 2017 (EST)
:I tried to put the games in chronologically, first by when the series was created (e.g. ''Smash Bros.'' comes before ''[[Paper Mario]]'') and then sort the games of that series. However, there are some games that don't fit into a sub-series, like ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. The cartoons are a different case, though. Originally, I was going to group them under an "Animation" header, but was soon told not to do so. And I don't know when each of the animations were released. However, ''Mario Sports Superstars'' IS a sports game, it's just its own sports title.{{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:I tried to put the games in chronologically, first by when the series was created (e.g. ''Smash Bros.'' comes before ''[[Paper Mario]]'') and then sort the games of that series. However, there are some games that don't fit into a sub-series, like ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. The cartoons are a different case, though. Originally, I was going to group them under an "Animation" header, but was soon told not to do so. And I don't know when each of the animations were released. However, ''Mario Sports Superstars'' IS a sports game, it's just its own sports title.{{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:27, 6 February 2017 (EST)
::Look at how [[Mario]] organizes his nonvideo game media appearances, then go look back at Luigi's article. It's integrated nicely within his history instead of Luigi splitting it off. I was the one who told you not to treat nonvideogame media as separate appearances.
::Look at how [[Mario]] organizes his nonvideo game media appearances, then go look back at Luigi's article. It's integrated nicely within his history instead of Luigi splitting it off. I was the one who told you not to treat nonvideogame media as separate appearances.
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::::You can continue working on the article while the nomination is up. I remember featured article nominations used to be a lot more active than this, and articles were changed for the better while lots of discussion was going on. Now, it's kinda dead but I'm trying my best to maintain it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)
::::You can continue working on the article while the nomination is up. I remember featured article nominations used to be a lot more active than this, and articles were changed for the better while lots of discussion was going on. Now, it's kinda dead but I'm trying my best to maintain it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@[[User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager]]: I don't really care if it would be "nice" if they were all in one location. That violates [[MarioWiki:Chronology]] on how we order things. You might as well lump all RPGs, all platformers, all puzzle games, and all nonvideo game media in one category, and then, Luigi's article would be an anomaly to every other character article and that's not the standard we follow. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)
@[[User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager]]: I don't really care if it would be "nice" if they were all in one location. That violates [[MarioWiki:Chronology]] on how we order things. You might as well lump all RPGs, all platformers, all puzzle games, and all nonvideo game media in one category, and then, Luigi's article would be an anomaly to every other character article and that's not the standard we follow. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:42, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:::::Yeah, of course it could be updated. Just saying that, now that what's wrong has been pointed out (as no one told me before), at the moment, I don't feel it is currently ready for a featured status. Is there a way I can "unnominate" this? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:43, 6 February 2017 (EST)
::::::Not that I know of. You pretty much have to wait for the nomination to expire, unless [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Unfeature/Yoshi's Island DS|your nomination is blatantly awful]]. You still have several months to get it back in ship shape, so that's still plenty of time before I consider to change my vote and support. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:45, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:::::::Very well then. Once I'm done working on my current [[Super Mario 64|project]], I'll rework the Luigi article to match the others. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:48, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Info Needed Checklist
*''[[Nintendo Comics System]]''
*''[[Yakuman DS]]''
*''[[Mario Teaches Typing]]''
*''[[Mario Teaches Typing 2]]''
*The ''[[Mario's Early Years]]'' series
*''[[Super Mario Bros. & Friends: When I Grow Up]]''
*''[[Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally]]''
*<s>''[[Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition]]''</s>
*''[[Wrecking Crew '98]]''
*''[[White Knuckle Scorin']]''
*''[[Nintendo Adventure Books]]''
*<s>''[[SSX on Tour]]''</s>
*<s>''[[NBA Street V3]]''</s>
*''[[Super Mario-Kun]]'' (optional due to limited means of obtaining, much less understanding its content)
*''[[Super Mario no Shōbōtai]]'' (optional due to extreme obscurity, but documented in full in this wiki)
*''[[Excitebike: Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium]]'' (optional due to obscurity and difficulty obtaining it)
False or questionable statements
*<s>"His first appearance was in NES Open Tournament Golf. In the game, Luigi wore green striped overalls and hat along with a blue shirt with white stars imprinted on it. This is the only game to show Luigi with this outfit." <br>Wrong. It is ''[[Family Computer Golf: Japan Course]]'' came first, then ''[[Family Computer Golf: U.S. Course]]'' and THEN NES Open Tournament. Luigi also wore the 'Murica outfit in ''Family Computer Golf: U.S. Course''.</s>
*<s>"The Super Mario Adventures comic serial's depiction of Luigi, oddly, features him in an opposite portrayal to his personality in the games and cartoons."<br> Arguably false since Luigi is a coward in ''Super Mario Adventures'' and is prone to goofing off. Not unlike the games and cartoons. This is contradicted later in the article "Luigi is portrayed as timid and a bit of a coward, which was first shown in Super Mario Adventures."</s>
*<s>"Luigi has also been known to cross-dress several times. The first time was in Super Mario Adventures, second in Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga and third was (implied) in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door." <br>Misleading, as Luigi has cross-dressed countless times in Super Mario-Kun, and there may be other undocumented cross-dressings.</s>
*<s>"Super Mario Adventures downplays his cowardice altogether, instead portraying him as rash and willing to make choices without putting much thought into them. His main characteristic here is greed. However, his greed is not for money as it was in the anime, but for food; when the brothers came across a haunted house, Luigi was drawn in immediately by the smell of cheese." <br>False for the claim about "downplaying cowardice" and the "rash" decisions could be considered a component of Luigi's clumsiness. The last point is misleading as ''both'' brothers are hungry but Luigi has a weaker will to resist, not because he's greedy.</s>
*"In Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, the Star Gate (which supposedly knows all) passes Luigi as 'unworthy' to enter. This most likely has something to do with Luigi's 'dark secret from his past,' which it also mentions; Luigi did something either embarrassing or foolish which he has kept a secret ever since. However, in a interview with a member of staff, he stated Luigi had no dark secret, and it was actually a reference to Luigi's constantly living in the shadow of his brother. He also added: 'Why make Luigi into a bad guy? We have Waluigi for that instead!'"<br> Source?
Other comments
*Roles taken section in a nutshell: he is a hero sometimes; he is a sidekick sometimes. Bad section.
*Luigi could use some information on Super Smash Bros. in addition to what's here, which is usually just unlock conditions, special moves, and role in Brawl's story.
*''Mario Strikers Charged'' needs a bit more info. What does "balanced" mean? And make a short mention of his deke and his unique Mega Strike.
*''Mario Golf'' games simply vomits out meaningless jargon and numbers. What does a drive of 200 mean? Make it relative to the cast so readers know how big this number is.
*''Mario Tennis'' games have almost no information overall and tells me nothing relevant about Luigi. Again, what does "better net play" mean?
*Super Mario Bros. film information needs to be split from this page.
{{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:54, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:Okay, so, essentially, I just rewrote what was already there. This article needs a MAJOR overhaul, and I see that now. Thanks for the advice, and I'll begin working on the article when I can, however, I don't know ''everything'', so I may not be able to get all the information this article needs.... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:03, 7 February 2017 (EST)
Alright, I rearranged the games using [[MarioWiki:Chronology]] and using [[Mario]]'s page as a basis. There is still a lot of missing information and some needs to be fixed, but I think I took care of the major problem. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:38, 15 February 2017 (EST)