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==Merge Harisenbon with [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]== | ==Merge Harisenbon with [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]== | ||
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As stated above, "Harisenbon" has no source for its name while two official sources state that it's "Togepuku". "Togepuku" happens to be the name of [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]. Furthermore, we do have several existing Mario enemies such as [[Cheep Cheep]], [[Goomba]], [[Bullet Bill]], and [[Paragoomba]] that has appeared in ''Super Mario Land 2'', so Spiny Cheep Cheep will fit right in. The only possible thing that sets them apart is the Harisenbon's elongated appearance when not inflated and the inflation behavior itself, though [[Cheep Cheep]]s do turn into [[Puffer-Cheep]]s in ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'', yet that particular Cheep Cheep isn't split. | As stated above, "Harisenbon" has no source for its name while two official sources state that it's "Togepuku". "Togepuku" happens to be the name of [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]. Furthermore, we do have several existing Mario enemies such as [[Cheep Cheep]], [[Goomba]], [[Bullet Bill]], and [[Paragoomba]] that has appeared in ''Super Mario Land 2'', so Spiny Cheep Cheep will fit right in. The only possible thing that sets them apart is the Harisenbon's elongated appearance when not inflated and the inflation behavior itself, though [[Cheep Cheep]]s do turn into [[Puffer-Cheep]]s in ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'', yet that particular Cheep Cheep isn't split. | ||
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#{{User|AfternoonLight}} Merge it! If the Double Dash!! is merged with the [[Rocket Start]], then this one should do as well. | #{{User|AfternoonLight}} Merge it! If the Double Dash!! is merged with the [[Rocket Start]], then this one should do as well. | ||
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all. | #{{User|Niiue}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Marioguy}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Quizmelon}} Per all. | |||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
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#{{User|AwesomeLuigi97}} Harisenbons/Togepukus/Spiky [[Blurp]] are different things than [[Spiky Cheep Cheep]]s. If the articles aren't merged, this article should be renamed Togepuku or Spiky Blurp. (Sorry, but I'm not good at making links. | #{{User|AwesomeLuigi97}} Harisenbons/Togepukus/Spiky [[Blurp]] are different things than [[Spiky Cheep Cheep]]s. If the articles aren't merged, this article should be renamed Togepuku or Spiky Blurp. (Sorry, but I'm not good at making links. | ||
#{{User|Tails777}} Reading the article, they don't seem that similar. They look more alike to Porcupuffers, they don't act that similar to Spiny Cheep-Cheeps. Yeah, I'd more or less go with renaming it Togepuku rather than merging it. | #{{User|Tails777}} Reading the article, they don't seem that similar. They look more alike to Porcupuffers, they don't act that similar to Spiny Cheep-Cheeps. Yeah, I'd more or less go with renaming it Togepuku rather than merging it. | ||
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Doesn't act all that similarly to a Spiny Cheep Cheep, it appears to be more similar to a real-life porcupinefish as Wildgoosespeeder pointed out. | |||
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Tails777: I would consider the behavior difference as a meaningful distinction, but are there any enemy articles that have only Japanese sources for their names and share their Japanese name for their parent species? [[Kuribo]], [[Pukupuku (Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!)|Pukupuku]]... but those two have even more different. [[Teresa]] is a redirect to [[Boo]]. [[Pakkun]] redirects to [[Piranha Plant]]... and Piranha Plants DO have behavioral differences, particularly between Super Mario games and Yoshi's Island. Sure, Piranha Plants are confirmed to be Piranha Plants in Yoshi's Island, but wouldn't the same apply to this fish, just in Japanese terms? There is no precedent to renaming this as Togepuku and keeping it separate from Spiny Cheep Cheep. If there is one, I'll reconsider my point. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:20, 1 August 2016 (EDT) | Tails777: I would consider the behavior difference as a meaningful distinction, but are there any enemy articles that have only Japanese sources for their names and share their Japanese name for their parent species? [[Kuribo]], [[Pukupuku (Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!)|Pukupuku]]... but those two have even more different. [[Teresa]] is a redirect to [[Boo]]. [[Pakkun]] redirects to [[Piranha Plant]]... and Piranha Plants DO have behavioral differences, particularly between Super Mario games and Yoshi's Island. Sure, Piranha Plants are confirmed to be Piranha Plants in Yoshi's Island, but wouldn't the same apply to this fish, just in Japanese terms? There is no precedent to renaming this as Togepuku and keeping it separate from Spiny Cheep Cheep. If there is one, I'll reconsider my point. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:20, 1 August 2016 (EDT) | ||
Just wondering about something. How would the paragraph(s) for Spiny Cheep Cheep (Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins section) would look if this were to pass?--[[User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager|Yoshi the Space Station Manager]] ([[User talk:Yoshi the Space Station Manager|talk]]) 00:26, 8 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
So, it's always interesting to see this sort of information still being uncovered from obscure places, but I'm not sure if I completely follow why this enemy should merge given the split ''Yoshi's Story'' [[Spiny Fish|Togepuku]]... [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:51, 9 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:There is only one flaw about that. Spiny Fish is an official English name for that species. This doesn't have an official English name. No, I am not talking about the one in the Mario Character Book, Spiny Cheep Cheep isn't really there just the artwork, but the name is there in the English notes below it. Still, your point on Spiny Fish=Togepuku does in fact support that you can have something called in Japenese as Togepuku not be Spiny Cheep Cheep in English. If it isn't for the flaw, this could have very good reasons why this should be split from Spiny Cheep Cheep. [[File:Redyoshi.png|35pxpx]] [[User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager]] ([[User talk:Yoshi the Space Station Manager|talk]]) [[File:Future space station for sig.jpg|35pxpx]] | |||