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:::Fixitup, why don't you make that edit just to show them what you're talking about. I think it should be pretty quick. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:06, 3 March 2008 (EST) | :::Fixitup, why don't you make that edit just to show them what you're talking about. I think it should be pretty quick. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:06, 3 March 2008 (EST) | ||
We now have ALL of the official artwork for the [[Items]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''. Who thinks we should replace the Images in the image section of this article with the Official Artwork? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | We now have ALL of the official artwork for the [[List of items|Items]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''. Who thinks we should replace the Images in the image section of this article with the Official Artwork? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | ||
:Yeah, the official artwork from today's Dojo article would fit best. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:13, 5 March 2008 (EST) | :Yeah, the official artwork from today's Dojo article would fit best. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:13, 5 March 2008 (EST) | ||
::This isn't fair at all! You guys didn't even have a proposal about that change! Until there is a proposal, and everyone agrees on one thing, it should stay with the other images. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]] | ::This isn't fair at all! You guys didn't even have a proposal about that change! Until there is a proposal, and everyone agrees on one thing, it should stay with the other images. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]] | ||
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Whoa whoa, I just read that next to the Electoplankton stage. I think we all need some clarity here. By make your own music do you mean that there's a feature under the options or something thats like a music maker? Or does bouncing on certain things in the stage make music and you just make it as you play? Or can you just simply play any song from MyMusic there? --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 23:05, 5 March 2008 (EST) | Whoa whoa, I just read that next to the Electoplankton stage. I think we all need some clarity here. By make your own music do you mean that there's a feature under the options or something thats like a music maker? Or does bouncing on certain things in the stage make music and you just make it as you play? Or can you just simply play any song from MyMusic there? --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 23:05, 5 March 2008 (EST) | ||
:Turns out Hanenbow/Electroplankton has no music '''at all''' other than fish music and stuff like that. The user probably meant something about choosing any music from MYMUSIC. | :Turns out Hanenbow/Electroplankton has no music '''at all''' other than fish music and stuff like that. The user probably meant something about choosing any music from MYMUSIC. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
== Mr. Saturn == | == Mr. Saturn == | ||
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:boomerang =/= gale boomerang, clawshot=/= hookshot, his backward aerial is different, too. His down aerial makes a wave when landing. and people, clones = same moveset (ALL) without difference but the effects {{User:McDimentio/sig}} | :boomerang =/= gale boomerang, clawshot=/= hookshot, his backward aerial is different, too. His down aerial makes a wave when landing. and people, clones = same moveset (ALL) without difference but the effects {{User:McDimentio/sig}} | ||
:::::They changed Wolf's moves. They changed Falco's moves. And with Luigi Tornado, Luigi's much different. But then there's Toon Link. They barely changed him. Sure the arrows go straight and the boomerang just hirs player and bounces back instead of using a tonrado and bringing them closer and stuff but yah. They have the same moves, same Final Smash which works exactly the same, same bombs and same Up B. They didn't change him much! Other than arrow, boomerang and yes of course statistics (he's faster yet weaker) he's a clone. Just because two moves are slightly different, he is still a clone. A proposal should be made, no? | :::::They changed Wolf's moves. They changed Falco's moves. And with Luigi Tornado, Luigi's much different. But then there's Toon Link. They barely changed him. Sure the arrows go straight and the boomerang just hirs player and bounces back instead of using a tonrado and bringing them closer and stuff but yah. They have the same moves, same Final Smash which works exactly the same, same bombs and same Up B. They didn't change him much! Other than arrow, boomerang and yes of course statistics (he's faster yet weaker) he's a clone. Just because two moves are slightly different, he is still a clone. A proposal should be made, no? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> And the Clawshot/Hookshot doesn't make that much of a difference. | ||
::::::I agree with Jorge. Wolf and Luigi are out of the question, and Falco has been changed some since Melee. As for Toon Link, he is a clone. Clone doesn't mean Identical moveset. If it were, it would be the same character. Just like Mario = Mario (der). Although the ''names'' of the attacks are different, the functions are ''very'' similar. Conclusion: Toon Link is a Clone. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | ::::::I agree with Jorge. Wolf and Luigi are out of the question, and Falco has been changed some since Melee. As for Toon Link, he is a clone. Clone doesn't mean Identical moveset. If it were, it would be the same character. Just like Mario = Mario (der). Although the ''names'' of the attacks are different, the functions are ''very'' similar. Conclusion: Toon Link is a Clone. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | ||
:::::::Of course. When I started this whole clone thing, I tried to leave everyone out of the talk except for Toon Link. He's the only one I will consider true clone. | :::::::Of course. When I started this whole clone thing, I tried to leave everyone out of the talk except for Toon Link. He's the only one I will consider true clone. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
:Didn't Sakurai say that he was going to avoid repeat characters? He hasn't said anything different yet, has he? And then the clone term is a conjectural term anyway... I honestly don't see the problem with noting the similarities in movesets, then moving on. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | :Didn't Sakurai say that he was going to avoid repeat characters? He hasn't said anything different yet, has he? And then the clone term is a conjectural term anyway... I honestly don't see the problem with noting the similarities in movesets, then moving on. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
::No, he didn't. Fans put it into his mouth. A.k.a "rumor". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:11, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ::No, he didn't. Fans put it into his mouth. A.k.a "rumor". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:11, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Indeed. Te rumor also said that there were 50 characters in the game. Hmm... | :::Indeed. Te rumor also said that there were 50 characters in the game. Hmm... <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
::Jorge, I'm sure you know this, but just because one rumor was based in fan speculation doesn't mean they all are. For example, the "rumor" that I am currently searching for the source of seems to have at least some roots in this [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html radio interview]. I found you guys a French site, so the translation is off, but you'll get it. Basically the article claims (maybe you know something about the website?) that Sakurai promised to change Falco so that he wouldn't be a "clone." Now, if this is really where it all came from, I'll be disappointed. I'm still looking for the quote that I sincerely believe Sakurai said at some point in time. It was something to the extent of knowing that people were dissapointed with use of characters based off of other characters, and that he would like to avoid them this time around. I'll let you know if I have any luck. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ::Jorge, I'm sure you know this, but just because one rumor was based in fan speculation doesn't mean they all are. For example, the "rumor" that I am currently searching for the source of seems to have at least some roots in this [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html radio interview]. I found you guys a French site, so the translation is off, but you'll get it. Basically the article claims (maybe you know something about the website?) that Sakurai promised to change Falco so that he wouldn't be a "clone." Now, if this is really where it all came from, I'll be disappointed. I'm still looking for the quote that I sincerely believe Sakurai said at some point in time. It was something to the extent of knowing that people were dissapointed with use of characters based off of other characters, and that he would like to avoid them this time around. I'll let you know if I have any luck. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Okay, so here's the deal: I just realized that the arguement over whether or not this is a rumor is null. What we should be debating is whether the use of a fan-made term is acceptable on a Wiki that typically condemns fan creations as "non-canon" (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]]). I'm hearing from the vocal members of the support side of this arguement that only special moves matter, yet when we change our focus to another wiki, such as [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_characters Smash Wiki], they've created "semi-clones" -- characters whose special moves are the same but A button attacks are different, which is exactly what we're seeing in McVader's arguments. In other words, this entire argument is pointless -- the definition of this unofficial term varies by website. So, we can either rely on it and cause confusion on the part of the reader, or we can include a few more words on each page to describe that Ganon's special moveset closely replicates Captain Falcon's, but his normal attacks are different. Your choice. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:47, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | :::Okay, so here's the deal: I just realized that the arguement over whether or not this is a rumor is null. What we should be debating is whether the use of a fan-made term is acceptable on a Wiki that typically condemns fan creations as "non-canon" (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]]). I'm hearing from the vocal members of the support side of this arguement that only special moves matter, yet when we change our focus to another wiki, such as [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_characters Smash Wiki], they've created "semi-clones" -- characters whose special moves are the same but A button attacks are different, which is exactly what we're seeing in McVader's arguments. In other words, this entire argument is pointless -- the definition of this unofficial term varies by website. So, we can either rely on it and cause confusion on the part of the reader, or we can include a few more words on each page to describe that Ganon's special moveset closely replicates Captain Falcon's, but his normal attacks are different. Your choice. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:47, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
::::If Sakurai said it, then that must mean the word "clone" is not an unofficial name, no? And if that's so, then how do we know who's a clone, who's not? | ::::If Sakurai said it, then that must mean the word "clone" is not an unofficial name, no? And if that's so, then how do we know who's a clone, who's not?<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small> | ||
Hmmm... If Sakurai DID, in fact, say something about "clones" in Brawl, then the term is not fan-made. We have no proof on this, however. We have no proof "clone" is an official term. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by similar special moveset. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by moveset and statistics as a whole. I finally realize, we have no proof on ANY of this. As such, I propose we just replace "??? is a clone of ???" with "??? has a similar moveset to ???, but has a few notable differences", or something like that (maybe go a bit more in-depth). We are supposed to make articles longer, anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | Hmmm... If Sakurai DID, in fact, say something about "clones" in Brawl, then the term is not fan-made. We have no proof on this, however. We have no proof "clone" is an official term. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by similar special moveset. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by moveset and statistics as a whole. I finally realize, we have no proof on ANY of this. As such, I propose we just replace "??? is a clone of ???" with "??? has a similar moveset to ???, but has a few notable differences", or something like that (maybe go a bit more in-depth). We are supposed to make articles longer, anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | ||
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Agreed, Cobold. And showing just his... Head... That's really dumb, sorry to say. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | Agreed, Cobold. And showing just his... Head... That's really dumb, sorry to say. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | ||
you know' it's a little mean to say his... Head... what if you had an idea, and everyone mde fun of it. Even if it was a bad idea. {{unsigned|Brawlster513}} | |||
:err wtf? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}} | |||
== Redo Events Please == | == Redo Events Please == | ||
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I'll be happy to do it. I have the whole Brawl Guide beside me. {{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} | I'll be happy to do it. I have the whole Brawl Guide beside me. {{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} | ||
Sure, go ahead. --Litnin200 | |||
== Australian Release date == | |||
Nintendo.com.au has sent out an e-mail (to it's members) confirming the release date for SSBB to be ''' June 26 2008 '''. | |||
Sadly my little computer is having trouble adding this new information, due to the size of the article. | |||
If someone (with a better computer/browser) could ad it for me that would be really great. :) | |||
Thanks - [[User:Despot joil|Despot joil]] | |||
'''Sorry''' Never mind, I somehow managed it myself. It would appear it has mysteriously worked even though I have no idea how. | |||
- [[User:Despot joil|Despot joil]] | |||
==Photo== | |||
I found that photo with all characters [[Image:Imagem23xc5.png|thumb|Caption | |||
]] [[User:Super Luigi! Number one!]] | |||
:It has been cut together by fans from the trophies of the characters seen at the beginning of the intro. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:16, 9 June 2008 (EDT) | |||
== SSE section == | |||
...is currently quite a mess. We should arrange it by what happens in which level, maybe in table form, maybe in paragraph form. Also missing are in-game descriptions of the levels. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:38, 6 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
== Spoilers, Not Related to Cars == | |||
I think the Bosses section should have a Spoiler template above it - seeing what bosses appear is a spoiler to me. In fact, I avoided all Brawl-related articles until I got it. If I was trying to avoid spoilers, I would personally be shocked at seeing what the final boss is (and in this game, he's kept secret until the very end), where in most games it is predictable who the final boss will be. | |||
{{User:Dom/sig}} | |||
I agree. But not in all games. For example in Super Mario Bros., you know the final boss from the beginning, Bowser. [[Image:Mario Sprite - Super Mario RPG.png|24px]] [[User:Clay Mario|Clay]] [[user talk:Clay Mario|Mario]] [[Image:Mario Sprite - Super Mario RPG.png|24px]] | |||
== Lazy Builders == | |||
Why is the page still under construction, huh? | |||
{{User:Dom/sig}} | |||
:The Subspace Emissary section still has problems in the levels part (which needs to be reviewed) and the images for Co-Op event matches are missing. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
==unnused Song== | |||
i found many unused songs! Ninja Toad5 | |||
:You can list them on the [[Beta Elements]] page. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:13, 25 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
==SubEm Stage List== | |||
I had noticed this, and was wondering if in the characters slot (still in the SubEm Stage List), if it only counted as characters that appeared in that stage, or if they were playable in the list. Which one? --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 10:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
:I'd say those who were playable in at least one part of the stage. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
::Ok. Thanks! --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 08:58, 31 July 2008 (EDT) | |||
== Protection == | |||
Although there hasn't been any vandalism, I'm concerned that this page is in danger. As I visit other nintendo wikis, I notice that there are many users that do not support Smash Bros link becaus there is a smash wiki. If they find out about this wiki, they will come here and do all sorts of stuff. | |||
I'm not a Sysop, but I'm just letting everyone know, this page needs protection. {{User:R.O.B 128/sig}} | |||
:No, we can't do that, because there still hasn't been repetitive vandalism/Edit war yet. Just because an article is in danger, or ''could'' be vandalized, it can't be protected. Thanks for your consideration, though. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | |||
::I think what he means is to semi-protect this page, so that only users who have registered some weeks or more ago can edit the article. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 13:40, 16 August 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::As long as there is no vandalism there is no reason to take action. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:13, 16 August 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::Yeah, what Cobold said. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} And per myself | |||
:::::You all are very understanding. {{User:R.O.B 128/sig}} | |||
== Critical Reception == | |||
Recently I got my magazine called ''Hyper'' - Australia's leading unofficial multi-format gaming magazine, and they did a Brawl review. So, should I add some interesting comments they made to the Critical Reception section? (BTW, I think "Critical Reception" sounds kinda dinky) I mean, our country needs a say about the game! | |||
Oh, and if this page is still Under Construction in a few months - I'll go insane! | |||
{{User:Dom/sig|But I'm already insane...}} | |||
:Yeah, I guess you could add that there (But "Critical Reception" seems the least dinkiest phrase I can think of). Also, the page is under construction because there are missing images for the co-op events. If those aren't found in a few months... sorry, but I guess you're going to lose your mind. It would help if you could find some of those pics, though. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | |||
Meh, I guess that's true. If I were to take a picture of my screen of the small Co-op event pic, with a 2-megapixel phone camera - that would look terrible, so I guess it's up to someone else to find the images. Someone who lives in Megapixel Heaven. | |||
{{User:Dom/sig|Actually, everything sounds "kinda "dinky" to me.}} | |||
== Under Construction == | |||
Is this article still under construction? It looks well laid out to me. the only thing that needs to be changed is the pics on co-op events (We need MOOOOOORE). {{User:Jaffffey/sig}} | |||
:Yeah, that's exact;y why it's still under construction... o_0 {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | |||
HOLY CRAP, NO MORE CONSTRUCTION TEMPLATE, w00000t!! XDXDXD. There's still some inconsistency probs, so maybe I'll work on those as a little mini-project. I'll try to feature it eventually. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | |||
I've noticed that there are a few mistakes on some of the sections. For example, the Poke Ball list shows the name "Onix," but that Pokemon never appeared in Brawl. Unfortunately, the article is locked, so no one but administrators can fix that mistake. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 13:49, 4 October 2008 (EDT) | |||
:It was only protected against newly registered users because of a lot of spam in the past. But that was two months ago, so I lifted the protection. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:43, 4 October 2008 (EDT) | |||
== jigglywolf == | |||
2things. 1-i fixed the errors on where to find jigglypuff, and i swear toon link was in the swamp (not positive, didnt edit) | |||
2- im trying to unlock wolf hes kicking my butt. What can i do? whos good gainst him? ive tryed my best characters: snake, samus, cap. falcon, meta knight. Snake 10+ times. help! | |||
[[User:YourBuddyBill|YourBuddyBill]] 18:42, 5 January 2009 (EST) | |||
== Incorrect info depicting the ...WiFi Item switch.... == | |||
Correct me if I'm wrong but the article says that the ''with anyone'' function doesn't allow for items to be turned on or off. That isn't correct. You can change the frequency and the specific items. {{User:MC Hammer Bro./sig}} | |||
:Yeah, that was simply wrong. I corrected it. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:27, 23 January 2009 (EST) | |||
== For those with iTunes == | |||
Nintendo of America did this promotion: [http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=274312814] We should document it if it isn't already. PS Clicking that link opens up the iTunes store... but if you don't have it set on "United States" it will probably tell you that the podcast isn't available in the [your country here] store. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:57, 10 March 2009 (EDT) | |||
==Masterpieces== | |||
Wheres their article? they were supposed to be merged {{User:Tucayo/sig|WHERE?????}} | |||
''The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it.''<br> | |||
This is from the proposals page. So, go talk to [[User Talk:Yoshario|Yoshario]] about it. Or just do it yourself, I'm sure nobody will mind. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 21:59, 20 April 2009 (EDT) | |||