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::::"Video games aren't any more canon than cartoons" | ::::"Video games aren't any more canon than cartoons" | ||
::::Bullcrap. The number of inconsistencies between the games isn't nearly as bad as the inconsistencies between the different medias. And while the games don't follow a timeline nor care about continuity, they're clearly based on the same universe, while the Dic cartoons follows a continuity of its own, the movie is another unique continuity, etc. And if the cartoons are as canon as the games, then how come that none of the character introduced in them have reappeared in the video games, while characters that debuted in the games have been kept by the series and made later appearances in the games? - [[User:Dere|Dere]] 00:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC) | ::::Bullcrap. The number of inconsistencies between the games isn't nearly as bad as the inconsistencies between the different medias. And while the games don't follow a timeline nor care about continuity, they're clearly based on the same universe, while the Dic cartoons follows a continuity of its own, the movie is another unique continuity, etc. And if the cartoons are as canon as the games, then how come that none of the character introduced in them have reappeared in the video games, while characters that debuted in the games have been kept by the series and made later appearances in the games? - [[User:Dere|Dere]] 00:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::I agree. Treating the games and some crappy cartoons that weren't produced by Nintendo as the same universe is pretty naive. [[User:Redz|Redz]] ([[User talk:Redz|talk]]) 13:29, 23 January 2014 (EST) | |||
==Biography section.== | ==Biography section.== | ||
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Well the Mario RPG's are a bit different from the platformers but I get what your saying. {{unsigned|Huh}} | Well the Mario RPG's are a bit different from the platformers but I get what your saying. {{unsigned|Huh}} | ||
:Every Mario game is different. Mario can do 300 ft high jumps in Mario Strikers Charged when he can't jump higher than 5 ft in Paper Mario 2. But those are gameplay elements. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT) | :Every Mario game is different. Mario can do 300 ft high jumps in Mario Strikers Charged when he can't jump higher than 5 ft in Paper Mario 2. But those are gameplay elements. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 01:32, 16 August 2009 (EDT) | ||
Should we put this section in the article [[Paper Mario (character)]], since in [[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]] it is revealed they are different people? {[[User:Boo X|Boo X]] ([[User talk:Boo X|talk]]) 17:30, 8 May 2016 (EDT)} | |||
:lol, this conversation is very old. It's more appropriate read and respond in [[Talk:Mario#Paper_Mario_2|this section]] (in the same talk page). We don't need to do anything right now, per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_44#Deal_with_the_duplicate_Paper_subjects_in_Mario_.26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam|this proposal]]. Expanding the scope of that character article to include extensive information outside of ''Paper Jam'' invites canon arguments and also brings up the question of other articles, which is a lot of articles that will have to be split. It is also going on speculation. No, anything that's in the previous ''Paper Mario'' games should stay aside from a small mention in Paper Mario (character) article. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:37, 8 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
I think that it's DEFINITELY a spin-off. Super Paper Mario is a good example of this. It's the darkest Mario game ever created!! {{User:MarioFan192/sig}} 11:57, 26 Mar 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I've seen worse in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time]]'' and I'd say that ''[[Mario Strikers Charged]]'' is edgier, but that doesn't really matter: spin-off material is covered in this page as well.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:58, 26 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
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== Time for a New Image at the Begining == | == Time for a New Image at the Begining == | ||
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There is nothing wrong with the Mario Party 8 piture at the start, but It's just Mario with his hands up! I think he should be more active in the piture at the start. This will show who Mario really is. He's the guy who bashes blocks, and flies through space! The piture should be more than just him standing. So, it's time to vote for a new one! Here are two I like: | There is nothing wrong with the Mario Party 8 piture at the start, but It's just Mario with his hands up! I think he should be more active in the piture at the start. This will show who Mario really is. He's the guy who bashes blocks, and flies through space! The piture should be more than just him standing. So, it's time to vote for a new one! Here are two I like: | ||
[[User: Cberiault]] | [[User: Cberiault]] | ||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Cberiault}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' November 18th, 2009, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Change the Main Image?=== | ===Change the Main Image?=== | ||
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its possible that he might have been born like dat. Hey, you never know, there's all kinds of odd stuff in the Mushroom Kingdom. (EX: Toads, Goombas, Etc.) [[PiranhaBomb]] | its possible that he might have been born like dat. Hey, you never know, there's all kinds of odd stuff in the Mushroom Kingdom. (EX: Toads, Goombas, Etc.) [[PiranhaBomb]] | ||
Since when is he depicted as Italian? | |||
--[[Special:Contributions/217.7.249.168|217.7.249.168]] 05:21, 10 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Unknown Art == | == Unknown Art == | ||
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Following what Knife did on [[Talk:Dimentio]], I've decided to poll wether or not to keep certain pieces of trivia. | Following what Knife did on [[Talk:Dimentio]], I've decided to poll wether or not to keep certain pieces of trivia. | ||
===Mario's ''Super Mario Strikers'' jersey number is 1. This might actually be a reference to Mario's status in the series, as only goalkeepers wear number 1 jerseys in actual soccer/football.=== | ===Mario's ''Super Mario Strikers'' jersey number is 1. This might actually be a reference to Mario's status in the series, as only goalkeepers wear number 1 jerseys in actual soccer/football.=== | ||
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===Mario appeared as the best purchasable character in [[Nintendo Monopoly]]. He costs $400, and replaced the Boardwalk.=== | ===Mario appeared as the best purchasable character in [[Nintendo Monopoly]]. He costs $400, and replaced the Boardwalk.=== | ||
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#Worthy enough to keep. {{User|Reversinator}} | #Worthy enough to keep. {{User|Reversinator}} | ||
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===Mario's full name is referred to as "Mario Mario", as set forth by the ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie. This appears to apply to all continuities in the series, however, because Mario and Luigi are called the "Mario Bros." The box of the ''Super Mario Bros. Super Show'' DVD "Mario's Movie Madness" describes Mario as '''Mario Skywalker''' when referring to the episode "[[Star Koopa]]"<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-Bros-Marios-Madness/dp/B000NJMJUM Amazon.com] (Retrieved on 2008-3-07)</ref>. This is enfourced by the Prima Edition of the Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga Guide book, where, in the character section, Mario is reffered to as Mario Mario and Luigi as Luigi Mario.=== | ===Mario's full name is referred to as "Mario Mario", as set forth by the ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie. This appears to apply to all continuities in the series, however, because Mario and Luigi are called the "Mario Bros." The box of the ''Super Mario Bros. Super Show'' DVD "Mario's Movie Madness" describes Mario as '''Mario Skywalker''' when referring to the episode "[[Star Koopa]]"<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-Bros-Marios-Madness/dp/B000NJMJUM Amazon.com] (Retrieved on 2008-3-07)</ref>. This is enfourced by the Prima Edition of the Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga Guide book, where, in the character section, Mario is reffered to as Mario Mario and Luigi as Luigi Mario.=== | ||
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===Mario has also appeared in Tomytec's [[Dots]].=== | ===Mario has also appeared in Tomytec's [[Dots]].=== | ||
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#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Where? | #{{User|Gamefreak75}} Where? | ||
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===A Mario statue made out of wax stands in the [[Wikipedia:Hollywood Wax Museum|Hollywood Wax Museum]]. This is currently the only wax-statue of a video game character.=== | ===A Mario statue made out of wax stands in the [[Wikipedia:Hollywood Wax Museum|Hollywood Wax Museum]]. This is currently the only wax-statue of a video game character.=== | ||
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#{{user|Tucayo}}- To where? | #{{user|Tucayo}}- To where? | ||
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===In the recent games, Mario's colors are lighter than his colors in 2002 to 2006.=== | ===In the recent games, Mario's colors are lighter than his colors in 2002 to 2006.=== | ||
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===The ''[[Mario Party 3]]'' instruction booklet claims that Mario's favorite item is the [[Golden Mushroom]].=== | ===The ''[[Mario Party 3]]'' instruction booklet claims that Mario's favorite item is the [[Golden Mushroom]].=== | ||
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#It perhaps could be moved to a section above, but I think it's better off as a trivia piece. {{User|Reversinator}} | #It perhaps could be moved to a section above, but I think it's better off as a trivia piece. {{User|Reversinator}} | ||
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===Mario made the first pitch in a Seattle Mariners' 2008 season game, as publicity for ''Mario Super Sluggers''.=== | ===Mario made the first pitch in a Seattle Mariners' 2008 season game, as publicity for ''Mario Super Sluggers''.=== | ||
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===In the [[Subspace Emissary]], if the player chooses to use [[Kirby]] to fight Mario at the [[Midair Stadium]], and then rescues Princess Peach during the Petey Piranha battle, Mario would be the character turned into a trophy the most times, being a total of four.=== | ===In the [[Subspace Emissary]], if the player chooses to use [[Kirby]] to fight Mario at the [[Midair Stadium]], and then rescues Princess Peach during the Petey Piranha battle, Mario would be the character turned into a trophy the most times, being a total of four.=== | ||
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==Re:Trivia== | ==Re:Trivia== | ||
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The above section called [[Talk:Mario#Trivia|Trivia]] has some debate, but everyone voted to remove the one about Mario's colors. I went onto the article and it says that it is not removed. I decided to do that again, only the ones I think that should be taken out of the Trivia and either delete it or put it in a section above. -{{User:KS3/sig}} | The above section called [[Talk:Mario#Trivia|Trivia]] has some debate, but everyone voted to remove the one about Mario's colors. I went onto the article and it says that it is not removed. I decided to do that again, only the ones I think that should be taken out of the Trivia and either delete it or put it in a section above. -{{User:KS3/sig}} | ||
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== New Image Could Work == | == New Image Could Work == | ||
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We could use a new image. Here is my poll: | We could use a new image. Here is my poll: | ||
<center><gallery perrow=3> | <center><gallery perrow=3> | ||
File:FortuneStMario.png|''[[Fortune Street]]'' | File:FortuneStMario.png|''[[Fortune Street]]'' | ||
File: | File:M&SATLOG Mario Javelin and Medals artwork.png|''[[Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games]]'' | ||
File:SM3Dart.png|''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]'' | File:SM3Dart.png|''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]'' | ||
File:PM3DSart1.png|''[[Paper Mario (Nintendo 3DS)|Paper Mario 3DS]]'' | File:PM3DSart1.png|''[[Paper Mario (Nintendo 3DS)|Paper Mario 3DS]]'' | ||
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==Artwork Update== | ==Artwork Update== | ||
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Mario's (and other characters') artwork should always be updated in accordance with the latest released game. So in this case it would be the [[NSMB2]] one. This keeps the article fresh and updated. | Mario's (and other characters') artwork should always be updated in accordance with the latest released game. So in this case it would be the [[NSMB2]] one. This keeps the article fresh and updated. | ||
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==Delete "Mario's Various Transformations" section== | ==Delete "Mario's Various Transformations" section== | ||
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I think there's no reason to have a list of power-ups for Mario in this page. Luigi, Princess Peach and the Toads can have some of those forms in some games, so it's not particular of Mario. The [[Power-Up]]s page already explains the powers Mario can obtain, so I think it's unnecessary to have it here. | I think there's no reason to have a list of power-ups for Mario in this page. Luigi, Princess Peach and the Toads can have some of those forms in some games, so it's not particular of Mario. The [[Power-Up]]s page already explains the powers Mario can obtain, so I think it's unnecessary to have it here. | ||
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First of all, EVERYONE survived that "supernova". | First of all, EVERYONE survived that "supernova". | ||
Secondly, it is heavily implied in the game that Mario (along with everyone else) was protected by Rosalina and/or the Lumas. | Secondly, it is heavily implied in the game that Mario (along with everyone else) was protected by Rosalina and/or the Lumas. | ||
{{unsigned| | {{unsigned|76.184.35.168}} | ||
== Favorite Food Tidbit == | == Favorite Food Tidbit == | ||
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MAMMA MIA! ''Super Mario'' Mario balloon joins the [[wikipedia:Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade]]. | MAMMA MIA! ''Super Mario'' Mario balloon joins the [[wikipedia:Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade]]. | ||
{{unsigned| | {{unsigned|47.17.69.221}} | ||
So what? | So what? | ||
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{{User:KP/sig}} | {{User:KP/sig}} | ||
== Confusion == | |||
I have the Guiness World Records 2014 Gamer's Edition and it says he has appeared in 247 titles as of August 2013. On cultural impact it says he is in 116 so this is outdated. But I didn't know if I should change the info because I haven't found a way to provide a reference because not everyone has that book. {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 17:24, 23 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
:One part of his Wikipedia page states that he has appeared in over 200 titles, while another states that he appeared in 116 '''distinct''' titles(no remakes, ports, re-releases, etc.). I have the 2008 edition of that, I'll check what it says in there.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 17:28, 23 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
::What's the citation given for Wikipedia, or is it actually manually counted? {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:43, 23 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Wreck-It Ralph == | |||
In the Cultural Impact section, should we mention that Mario's mentioned in the Wreck-It Ralph movie (when Ralph knocks on the door of the party, the characters erroneously think it's Mario. Fix-It Felix says that it must be "Mario. Late, as per the norm.") and he's confirmed to make a physical appearance in the movie's sequel. [[User:FlashRenegade|FlashRenegade]] | |||
:Don't we already have that somewhere on the article? - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 05:42, 25 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::No [[User:FlashRenegade|FlashRenegade]] | |||
::::When was a sequel confirmed? {{User:Koopakoolklub/sig}} 22:42, 25 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
:That's a small reference, hardly worthy of a mention in "Cultural impact". [http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a457365/wreck-it-ralph-director-rich-moore-wants-nintendos-mario-for-sequel.html Rich Moore has stated that Mario will be in a sequel], but the sequel is still in the planning stage, so it hasn't been confirmed yet.</future fangasm> {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:04, 7 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Super Jump Punch == | |||
In ''Mario Bros.'', holding the down arrow or down on the joystick allows for a super jump, to strike the ledge above. | |||
{{User:kindofahippy}} 09:37, 7 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Yoshi's New Island== | |||
Where does he appear in that game?{{User:Billy-Luigi/sig}} 12:04, 9 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
:He appears as a baby, like he's done in every Yoshi's Island game {{User:FlashRenegade}} 14:21, 15 May 2014 (GMT) | |||
::That's [[Baby Mario]], Mario appears as "The Helpful Warp Pipe". - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 17:55, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::[[:File:Mario Yoshi's New Island.png|It's not a coincidence that Mr. Pipe has blue eyes and brown work shoes]]. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:05, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Personality: Is this really necessary to mention?== | |||
OK, I know facts here are necessary but, do we really need to mention Mario's gross personality in the Super Mario-kun, such as the part of "urinating on Yoshi"? I mean are those comics even loyal to the video games themselves? I haven't come here to start a war edit, it's just I don't think it's really all noteworthy.--[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Mario doesn't have that much of a personality in the games anyway (including Peach and Bowser), and Mario's doing crass things is usually not a trait associated with him in the games. The Japanese generally, I think, are more lenient on ''that'' sort of humor, with feces being removed in nonJapanese versions of WarioWare microgames. It's not a trait for ''every'' character either. The other characters that seem to do crude humor are generally Yoshi, Wario (as in the games), Luigi (not as much), and Bowser. Pretty unexpected. | |||
:The manga, otherwise, even though it strays into creative territory sometimes, has game-accurate character designs with their own style. [[:Category:Super Mario-Kun Images|Check out]] the list of images and the subject. Super Mario-Kun has much more accurate designs than the Mario cartoons. Designs aside, the manga also follows the game's basic story, but it does have a few twists here and there. | |||
:It's also been [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|established]] that we treat alternate media as canon. Most of Mario's personality in that section comes from tidbits here and there, but we also take them from nonvideo game media, which, I think, is the bulk of his personality. Nintendo intentionally made Mario a blank slate, so we have the comics and stuff to fill it in. It ''is'' noteworthy, then, to talk about Mario's 'crassiness' because, again, that has never been shown in the games. | |||
:It's gross, yes, but it's exclusive to ''Super Mario-Kun'', and that's why I think it should be mentioned. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:36, 12 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Smash Bros. Artwork == | |||
Why can't I change the currently Artwork into the new one? That image isn't realy a game-only based image (if you know what I mean){{User:Billy-Luigi/sig}} 23:45, 12 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Gorgonzola == | |||
In Chapter 3 of ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', if Mario talks to The Traveling Sisters 3 in Glitzvile, the green girl will say, 'Oh, gee, it's "Gonzales"? I thought his name was '''Gorgonzola'''!' Is this one of Mario's aliases? [[User:Another gossip-loving Toad|Another gossip-loving Toad]] ([[User talk:Another gossip-loving Toad|talk]]) 03:50, 8 February 2015 (EST) | |||
== Paper Mario == | |||
So, it's basically confirmed all of the Paper Mario characters aren't actually the same characters as the ones in the actual Mushroom World, but, instead, live inside a book. Should we split all counterpart pages? {{unsigned|73.8.174.141}} | |||
:Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're jumping the gun a bit here. We should wait until the game is released or at least more substantial relevant information is revealed before we peddle with foundational wiki organization. Do not split. For your information, we already have two questions about this [http://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Paper_Mario_%28series%29#Now_that_Mario_.26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam_is_a_thing... here] and [http://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Mario_%26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam here]. But we don't know anything about ''Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam'' so I think it's wise to proceed ''very'' cautiously at this point. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:24, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
::The game's events start when Luigi knocks over a book with identical clone characters in it... [[Special:Contributions/73.8.174.141|73.8.174.141]] 10:58, 21 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::And? We're making out from very little information presented by the E3. This may explain for some things, but we don't know for sure, especially the details about this book and the background behind it. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:02, 21 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Aliases and occupations sections are very stupid == | |||
I have to question the sanity of the "aliases" section when something like "Scum Scrubber" is listed. By definition, an "alias" is used as an alternate identity, like a pseudonym. Listing insults (most of these are insults) by Mario's friends and enemies as "aliases" is mind-numbingly stupid. | |||
The "occupations" isn't as stupid, but I question its existence all the same, simply because Mario undergoes way more occupations to an extent: a [[Super Mario's Fire Brigade|firefighter]], a [[Dust 'til Dawn|homemaker]], a [[Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time|parent]], | |||
an [[:File:Astromario SuperMarioLand2.png|astronaut]], an [[Mario's Picross|archaeologist]], a [[:File:MarioArtistTalentStudio.jpg|disco dancer]], a [[Mario Paint|painter]], and lord-knows-more. Sure, the article's got the more obvious ones down such as plumber, carpenter, and kart racer, but it goes to include "solider", "baker", "factory worker", and others, which are arguably just as notable as those occupations I've listed. | |||
Should we scrub the scum for Faucet Freak? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:09, 7 August 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Overhaul the "Aliases" and the "Occupations" sections== | |||
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As I said, an "alias" denotes a separate identity that the character goes by. The big problem is that the majority of the aliases is simply a bunch of insults (and the occasional compliment). Saying that an insult like "Lasagna Lovin' Loser" or "Wretched Fool" (that's an "alias", ''really''?) is somehow an alias is not giving our wiki any credibility. Just renaming the section to "nicknames and insults" is ridiculous, and they don't illustrate Mario's character other than, well, he has a lot of enemies. Oh, [[Luigi|The Eternal Understudy]] has a [[Luigi#Nicknames|similar problem]]. He must have adopted his nickname of "Plunger Puss". Once the alias/nickname section is removed, just relocate actual aliases (like Butch Mario, Sherlock Mario, Captain Kidder, and Dr. Mario) to the main body of the article or at least have a mention in "alternate outfits" since a lot of actual aliases do come with an outfit change. Heck, something is wrong when "Dr. Mario" is referred to an alias, but only because someone called him that. Isn't it more obvious to say that Dr. Mario is an actual alias? The term "alias" is abused here, and I'm thankful "alias" isn't frequently misused in every day speak. | |||
Now, the Occupations section isn't as burning stupid, but I don't like it either. I do think it's useful to showcase Mario's versatility in the video games, but it's difficult to determine where the line gets drawn between actual occupations and merely cute dress-up. Heck, we have an [[Super Mario Bros. & Friends: When I Grow Up|entire game]] on various occupations. Also, note some occupations in my comment above that are left out, such as archaeologist, detective, firefighter, and kung-fu fighter (?). They might sound minor, but they're just as notable as "soldier" and "baker". Finally, note the giant umbrella "sportsperson"; I think it was made to shorten the list, but it's a sign that the list would probably be too big otherwise. Too bad it still looks very ugly. So, again, the section could stay, but what deserves to be listed and what not would be a bit tricky to determine and in the end, it will end up as a big section or stuffed underneath ridiculous umbrella terms like "sportsperson". | |||
To address these problems, I suggest we scrap the "alias" section and revamp "occupations" as per the comments below, in a possible paragraph format rather than an eyesore of a list, to make it more presentable. We can retool "outfits" (and remove "alternate outfit" in the process) in the meantime, although how this connects to this proposal, I'm not sure. Maybe create an additional provision. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Bazooka Mario}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': October 5, 2015, 23:59 GMT. | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Let's drain the basin for Faucet F**ker, the Perfidious Pasta Pretender who Percolates Pies Pretentiously. That's an "alias". Remember guys, "occupations" is most likely getting a big revamp. "Alias" can go, though. | |||
#{{User|Pyro Guy}} Per Bazooka Mario. | |||
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per all; anything worth keeping could probably be placed in the main body with little complaint. | |||
#{{User|Niiue}} This bugged me for a while. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Roy Koopa}} YES YES YES! I mean like, "My brother's name is my alias!" Not. An. Alias. And 29 pseudo-aliases that are actually Bowser's insults? Hello, section must go! | |||
#{{User|Andymii}} One-time insults are NOT aliases. Per all. | |||
#{{User|Magikrazy}} Yes, alias should go. No reason to keep a record of every instance Mario is called a rotten noodle head or whatever Bowser calls him. Per all. | |||
#{{User|3D Player 2010}} Per all although I have something I want to talk about in the comments which you should check out. | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} I can only repeat what others have said. There is a huge difference between frequently used nicknames and common insults. Per Bazooka Slick... I mean Mario. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Any significant aliases or nicknames can be incorporated into other General Info sub-sections and/or Quotes pages, and Occupations would be much better off in paragraph form than a list. I'm also down for trimming the fat from the Outfits section, for the record. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
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If you have better reasons to keep occupations, say so and I'll change the votes and all. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:02, 21 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Like I said on the forum, it's interesting trivia about Mario and his history (i.e. all the weird 3rd party things Nintendo's stuck him in, quirky G&W stuff, etc.) that would be difficult for someone to assemble on their own. I've used the list before, and would much rather see it completed than scrapped - although come to think of it, perhaps it'd be better as paragraphs rather than a list at all. Then the <s>book</s> career edutainment game could be condensed into a sentence, the sports into a sentence, and other careers can be grouped similarly (i.e. stuff he did in the G&W Gallery games, etc.), with more attention given to recurring careers (i.e. plumbing). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:59, 21 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Being a big Mario fan, I'd be more than happy to write it. I think the occupations may work better as paragraph format. Maybe I'll get a prototype paragraph and see how that looks. Two weeks is good, right? That would still mean scrapping the list, though, and I think the way as it is right now looks really ugly (again, the sportsperson umbrella category really irks me lol) so it still needs some overhaul. The bulk of describing the plumbing would probably be from nonvideo game sources for the most part, though! At certain points though, the format might overlap with the "Alternate outfits" section, particularly the baker, construction worker, archaeologist, and doctor. I think occupations and alternate outfits might work if they are adjacent or even overlap. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:14, 21 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Glad you like the idea. But I'd rather see the TPP changed to reflect that the section's getting revamped. No draft needed yet or anything, just remove the blanket "delete" call, so that it's not misleading people who might actually want it gone completely. (Best to be specific rather than taking creative liberties with the outcome; it makes the TPP a stronger thing to refer back to if he section's challenged in the future, or is similar proposals/discussions happen on other pages, etc.) "Alternate outfit" sections are mostly terrible, often being filled with crufty and creepy levels of obsession over certain characters' looks, or being a bunch of disjointed one-liners, like here. I'd say scrap ''that'' section, and just compact the info to the regular "clothing" section, saying something like... "Some games have slight variations to his outfit, like how he has short sleeves in ''SMS'' and tools in ''SMM''. Most power-ups change his clothes, from Fire Flowers changing the colours to things like X Suit covering his body entirely. He also wears different outfits in some sports and spin-off games, like ''Strikers'', ''Dr. Mario'', ''NES Open Tournament Golf'', yada yada yada..." And ''not'' mention the random career outfits at all there. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:07, 21 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::Yeah, I think "alternate outfit" isn't that great. The myriad of one-liners is a visible result from my having a difficult time deciding what alternate outfits are notable and need some explaining (although the part about Mario's PJs from ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' is ''definitely'' not my work :P). Probably a lesser-of-an-evil compared to creepy excessive detail. I do think it's better to just incorporate that into "clothing". At the time of the creation of this proposal, "delete" was the only thing I had in mind, so I wouldn't have known in advance that this would be about revamping ultimately. I'll change the proposal to reflect that. Finally, "Mario has went through changes in some episodes of the cartoons to coincide with its themes, such as Butch Mario." Thanks for the suggestions, it might make it easier for me to write the damn thing without looking like I'm obsessed. Okay, ''excessively'' obsessed <sub>what a great tongue twister!</sub>. Final question: I'm not sure if "outfits" and all are even related to "list of occupations". It seems that we're in a tangent, and the reason we're here is that I made a suggestion related to that. So I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen to "occupation" at this point. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:34, 21 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Occupations will just become a couple paragraphs, keeping its own subsection (under General Info), no relationship to clothing at all (except for not bothering to talk about one-off outfits he's worn as part of the career game or whatever in the alternate clothes paragraph of the singular Clothing section, so still, no overlap to worry about). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 09:01, 22 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Okay, sounds like a plan. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:55, 22 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
Why are we doing this change for just Mario? Why not do this with every character that has these kinds of sections? {{User:Kart Player 2011/sig}} 19:27, 22 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Mario's article, I frequent the most and is the most notable article with an "alias" and "occupations" section. I've also stated in the proposal itself that Green 'Stache has a similar problem, although the <s>insults</s> "nicknames" aren't as numerous, and the "nicknames" tend to be people misidentifying Luigi, which could possibly be examples of "oh, Luigi isn't as well known". Even then, that kind of crap goes into Luigi's general information, probably in the opening paragraph. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:51, 23 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Edit request == | |||
I request that the "Mario Mario" source needs an archived link, e.g. archived on a website like web.archive.org. [[User:McLennonSon|McLennonSon]] ([[User talk:McLennonSon|talk]]) 06:08, 29 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
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:Why? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:35, 30 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Language == | |||
"''He is also bilingual, as he can speak both Italian and English.''" | |||
Examples? Because I never heard Mario speak Italian, if you count things like "arrivederci" and "mama mia". Moreover, Charles Martinet doesn't speak Italian. Where is source for that claim, because perhaps game bios or nongame media have stated this, or maybe Mario said so himself at one point in some cartoon episode or a comic? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:00, 7 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Don't quote me on this, but I think the article assumes that the gibberish Mario occasionally says (in the Mario RPG games, for example) is what counts as him speaking Italian. I can't really think of any other reason for that to be there. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | |||
::My sister just said that it might be a statement inferring from Mario's heritage and Italian accent, although I think the statement is misleading either way. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:17, 7 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Full name == | |||
We need a more reliable source for the full name, so I reverted until then. [[User:YoshiCookie|YoshiCookie]] ([[User talk:YoshiCookie|talk]]) 08:05, 10 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
:So, you claim it's a clickbait. Maybe the title is a bit click-baity, but does that invalidate whatever it's saying? Because the article seemed clear to me: "During Japan’s 30th anniversary Super Mario Bros. event this past weekend, Shigeru Miyamoto apparently stated that Mario’s full name is 'Mario Mario'. As for Luigi, he’s 'Luigi Mario'. It’s sort of like someone named Yamada Yamada having a brother named Itou Yamada." The "apparently" part sounds like a qualifier, admittedly, but the second sentence backs it up. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 11:00, 10 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Sorry, I misinterpreted the article and thought he reaffirmed his statement that Mario and Luigi's names ''weren't'' Mario, contradicting the title of the article and making me think it's clickbait. I was also caught off-guard by the retcon, but since it's true it should stay on the article. [[User:YoshiCookie|YoshiCookie]] ([[User talk:YoshiCookie|talk]]) 17:49, 10 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Construction== | |||
I doubt the whole article is meant to be under construction, {{tem|construction}} should be moved to whichever section(s) is(are) meant to have it. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 16:51, 30 December 2015 (EST) | |||
==More Mario International names== | |||
Mario's Arabic name is ماريو (Mariu), Hebrew name is מריו (Mario) which are literal translation of his name. [[User:TonnyNaut|TonnyNaut]] ([[User talk:TonnyNaut|talk]]) 6:32 AM, 20 June 2016 (EST) | |||
:Go ahead put it if you want. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 06:05, 20 June 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Mario's age == | |||
Can we please update the article to reflect the fact that Mario is approximately 24-25 years old? This has been stated by Miyamoto himself as one of the ONLY canonical facts about Mario. | |||
Source: http://shmuplations.com/mario20th/ --[[Special:Contributions/110.174.109.223|110.174.109.223]] 01:59, 10 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:It's there in the article, in the [[Mario#General_information|general information section]], third paragraph. By the way, [[MarioWiki:Canonicity|there isn't a canon]] in the ''Mario'' series, so we operate on authority of the sources; i.e., all official sources are accepted. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:48, 10 November 2016 (EST) | |||
== how to pronounce Mario == | |||
I think we should include a section about how his name should be pronounced. Americans seem to go with an ar sound as in car. this is incorrect. Italian people, shigeru Miyamoto and Mario himself pronounce it Mah-rio, like in cat, can, acid. I know this will get some criticism, but a bit of research reveals it to be true. | |||
*edit* Please don't remove my comment. tell me why it's wrong/irrelevant instead of just getting rid of it | |||
:The two pronunciations really aren't that different... at all. And I don't think this comment would get removed. You're asking an acceptable question about the article. It's when you're just talking and not talking about article improvement that comments get deleted. | |||
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:30, 6 February 2017 (EST) | |||
it's already been removed once for some reason. I just feel that as an encyclopedia, a pronunciation of words is important (and a possible sound clip if necessary). personally I find the pronunciations quite different as many heated forum discussions will attest. if no one deems it a necessary piece of information than I won't argue | |||
:It's been removed before because I thought it would be something that would belong on the forums. – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 10:37, 6 February 2017 (EST) | |||
I don't think how Americans pronounce it is "incorrect". Pronouncing it "Mah-rio" as in "car" or "Mars" is part of people's accents coloring how they actually pronounce it. It's not just Americans that pronounce Mario that way, but the French as well, from my listening to French speakers. Perhaps even Spanish as well, with Mario rhyming with "barrio". I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that Mario is pronounced like "Mat" or "Maddy-oh" since the way Mario pronounces it sounds just like the "ar" "car" sound to me (and Mario is voiced by an American himself mind you). And the way the Japanese pronounce things, it's Ma (as in Ma Mee Moo May Moh) and sounds like "mama" and not "man". And the way the Chinese pronounce is, sounds similar to me like "Mars" and not like "mat". {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:17, 7 February 2017 (EST) | |||
:Funny, I was thinking about this just the other day. Australians are fine, we pronounce it identically to how it is properly spoken in Italians (as we do with "pasta", if you compare "pasta" as spoken between England and Australia, you'll get what I mean). | |||
:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 00:23, 7 February 2017 (EST) | |||
::I don't know the proper "English" way to pronounce it then, since dictionary searches bring up similar results to how the A is pronounced. Pasta: päs-tə. Barrio: bär-ē-ˌō. Car: kär. As for how the BoN says it, the next words. Cat: kat. Can: kən. Acid: a-səd. I tend to hear the ä in Mario's voice rather than "cat" but I just don't hear "Maddyo" in "Mario" even when Mario's screaming his own name. Maybe in some cases, but other cases, no. Maybe I'm accustoming to Mario rhyming with "barrio" but eh. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:43, 7 February 2017 (EST) | |||
== Mario is a human, confirmed == | |||
Please add this reference to the species box which labels Mario as human. [https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/gyp383/nintendo-finally-answers-is-mario-human] [[Special:Contributions/216.165.95.72|216.165.95.72]] 17:45, 23 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Mario's been confirmed human for a long time now. I think what the interview was trying to say was that, despite Mario's short stature compared to the other humans, he's still classified as such (I hope that didn't come out wrong...). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:52, 23 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
::I think what he was referring to was his classification by Nintendo as some point being (jokingly) ''Homo Nintendonus'' as opposed to ''Homo Sapiens''. Anyways, having that first part automatically makes him a human already, so....yeah. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:16, 6 December 2017 (EST) | |||
== Signature == | |||
The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNje3jfYLl4 latest trailer] for ''[[Mario Tennis Aces]]'' reveals that Mario has a signature. Should we include it into the article? Are fictional characters even allowed to have signatures in Wiki articles? --[[User:Hero Vladimir|Hero Vladimir]] ([[User talk:Hero Vladimir|talk]]) 02:12, 8 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:It's nice trivia, but you can't really talk about a signature without the image, and I don't know where the image can go in the article without pushing space. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:22, 28 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
== about Mario's height == | |||
Mario is not 155cm, and I have two sources to back that up [https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r source 1] and [http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/miyamoto_was_worried_how_players_would_react_to_mario_odysseys_new_donk_city source 2] these two sources seem to make it incredibly clear that Mario is actually around 121cm, at least, that's the answer I got when I calculated Mario's height {{unsigned|GoldyFish110}} | |||
:How did you calculate that? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 01:31, 16 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I used a screenshot of Super Mario Odyssey with Mario next to a New Donker in the Lake Kingdom, then I got a picture of T-posed Mario and put it onto the image and resized the T-posed Mario so that it's head was the same as the Mario in the screenshot, then I took a picture of myself, as I am 164.6cm, and used that as a base, the New Donker seems to stand at 196cm while Mario seems to stand at 121cm, though my calculation is probably very inaccurate, but that was the best I could do, I kinda wish Matpat would calculate it instead of take the Mario fans words for Mario's height since I know he's good at that a lot of stuff {{User:GoldyFish110}} | |||