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Should the game appearances and playable-character roles sections be consolidated?  That might make more sense. -[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
Should the game appearances and playable-character roles sections be consolidated?  That might make more sense. -[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
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Hey, I agree with Fixup here. In the Mario Kart: Double Dash!! game manual it say that "Daisy is so cute she has become something of an Idol"...I think that counts as beautiful. Also, while I doubt that she will be in Brawl (unfortunatly in my opion) I think there is a good chance that she will appear in the Next Smash Bros. game. Not that it matters...just a thought. [[User:Imperialscouts]]
Hey, I agree with Fixup here. In the Mario Kart: Double Dash!! game manual it say that "Daisy is so cute she has become something of an Idol"...I think that counts as beautiful. Also, while I doubt that she will be in Brawl (unfortunatly in my opion) I think there is a good chance that she will appear in the Next Smash Bros. game. Not that it matters...just a thought. [[User:Imperialscouts]]
Please stop fighting! Daisy ROX and we all know that, Daisy and myself are nearly identical in appearance and personality. Like I said, we all know Daisy ROX!
Fixup is fine if she's obsessed with Daisy considering she's the voice actress for her.  -[[User:DaisyRox02]]


==Has Daisy really been confirmed for...==
==Has Daisy really been confirmed for...==
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Until they fix it, this will be an uncomplete article.  
Until they fix it, this will be an uncomplete article.  


If someone has the game and already beated Mario and Peach or just Mario then go to Mario World to verify and tell here she is there.  
If someone has the game and already beated Mario and Peach or just Mario then go to Mario World to verify and tell here she is there. {{unsigned|Malboro}}


::I don't have the game, so of course I can't play it! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
::I don't have the game, so of course I can't play it! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
That's not my problem you are not in the list.
That's not my problem you are not in the list.


Just make some sense, do you really think I actually started making ''fake'' screenshots my self just for, as you said? I know she's there because I have it and then, how can you say that Daisy is not in the game if you have not even asked or played or then, is Daisy in Mario is Missing? she is there too but I could just like you say those screenshots are fake, but in fact they are all real. Is it yet THAT HARD?
Just make some sense, do you really think I actually started making ''fake'' screenshots my self just for, as you said? I know she's there because I have it and then, how can you say that Daisy is not in the game if you have not even asked or played or then, is Daisy in Mario is Missing? she is there too but I could just like you say those screenshots are fake, but in fact they are all real. Is it yet THAT HARD? {{unsigned|Malboro}}


Three things to tell ya:
Three things to tell ya:
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{{User:Coincollector/sig}}
{{User:Coincollector/sig}}


And who else would s/he be? Pokemon DP and this section as I said is mainly for those who have the game.
And who else would s/he be? Pokemon DP and this section as I said is mainly for those who have the game. {{unsigned|Malboro}}


OK I understood ya, i don't have the game either, but if you have, and you saw that Daisy appears in that game, your info is acceptable, you can write that. Now, I want to know, where did you find that pics, eh? {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
OK I understood ya, i don't have the game either, but if you have, and you saw that Daisy appears in that game, your info is acceptable, you can write that. Now, I want to know, where did you find that pics, eh? {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
:Er, ripped from a ROM, maybe? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Er, ripped from a ROM, maybe? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}


then you cant help here to make the article a complete one. or if you belive, can you?
then you cant help here to make the article a complete one. or if you belive, can you? {{unsigned|Malboro}}
:OK, no need to flame and argue about this! If you felt this needed to be put on the article, why didn't you do it yourself? Just put the dang Images on the page. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:OK, no need to flame and argue about this! If you felt this needed to be put on the article, why didn't you do it yourself? Just put the dang Images on the page. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}


Alright, then I shall put some previous deleted Daisy's quotes when in the game Nina/Alex and Kate/Harry arrives Mario World in the game.
Alright, then I shall put some previous deleted Daisy's quotes when in the game Nina/Alex and Kate/Harry arrives Mario World in the game. {{unsigned|Malboro}}


Done!
Done! {{unsigned|Malboro}}
:You have REALLY got to start signing your comments on these talk pages. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Oh, and good job on the article.
:You have REALLY got to start signing your comments on these talk pages. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Oh, and good job on the article.
Thanks
Thanks {{unsigned|Malboro}}


== Main Quote ==
== Main Quote ==
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== Has Daisy really been confirmed to appear in someway in SSBB? ==
== Has Daisy really been confirmed to appear in someway in SSBB? ==


I really hope she is playable, but is it really confirmed that she will appear in some shape or form in SSBB?  That would be awsome, no to Daisy as alt. for Peach!
I really hope she is playable, but is it really confirmed that she will appear in some shape or form in SSBB?  That would be awsome, no to Daisy as alt. for Peach! {{unsigned|Koolkid123}}


Eh, yes she has. In an official video a sticker of her was shown. I doubt any more characters are going to be confirmed, but she'll make more appearances in the game than that.. BTW Don't forget to leave your name. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
Eh, yes she has. In an official video a sticker of her was shown. I doubt any more characters are going to be confirmed, but she'll make more appearances in the game than that.. BTW Don't forget to leave your name. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
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Well I guess we have to wait untill the games is release. [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 15:53, 2 February 2008 (EST)
Well I guess we have to wait untill the games is release. [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 15:53, 2 February 2008 (EST)
Daisy, if you want to put it this way, IS in Brawl as an alternative look for Peach. So, technaclly, this conversation is over. Even if it's not what some of you hoped, you can think of it in another way., by calling this version of Peach "Daisy". I know some of you are pretty disappointed, but at least she makes a cameo, right? [[User: Ilovedaisy|Ilovedaisy]]
Do you realize how old this conversation is? Aside from that, the costumes are not the characters. Other than the fact they are based on colors of other characters, they are in no way THE characters themsleves. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
I'm sorry for angering you. I'm just saying that you can change the way you think about this, it's not like I'm forcing you to, it's just that it'll make you happier. If you don't want to, it's okay. Maybe, in a sequel, if you request enough, if you hope enough, maybe she'll shine in the Brawl. Keep your hopes up. [[User:Ilovedaisy|Ilovedaisy]]


== Fake Image ==
== Fake Image ==
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::I don't doubt what the guide says. I just think that this is a very controversial subject and should be treated as such. It's the same with information from Smash Bros. trophies, which already called Waluigi Wario's "possible" brother or made false statements about Daisy's first spin-off appearance. We should definitely have this in the article. It's very interesting. BUT also accept that this is not a black or white subject. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:30, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
::I don't doubt what the guide says. I just think that this is a very controversial subject and should be treated as such. It's the same with information from Smash Bros. trophies, which already called Waluigi Wario's "possible" brother or made false statements about Daisy's first spin-off appearance. We should definitely have this in the article. It's very interesting. BUT also accept that this is not a black or white subject. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:30, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
:Ok, let me say this first. Daisy's bio in Melee was correct. The Mario Golf they were speaking of was NES Open Tournament Golf. The problem was that it was MArio Golf in Japan, but NES Open in America. This trivia was removed forever ago due to this conclusion. Also, past guides may have had mistakes, but you should remember that this was also years ago, and that this was before they become the official Nintendo walkthroughs.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]]
:Ok, let me say this first. Daisy's bio in Melee was correct. The Mario Golf they were speaking of was NES Open Tournament Golf. The problem was that it was MArio Golf in Japan, but NES Open in America. This trivia was removed forever ago due to this conclusion. Also, past guides may have had mistakes, but you should remember that this was also years ago, and that this was before they become the official Nintendo walkthroughs.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]]
::I believe that "official" is just a very good way for marketing themselves they bought from Nintendo after their own guides were discontinued. Official doesn't mean canon. An official guide is something officially ''recommended'' and supported by the company. In my eyes, it is as much official as German Mario comics of [[Club Nintendo]]. Those are also official and we have them on the wiki. But whenever their content is brought up, it is stated where this information comes from. What about "...with Princess Peach, who, according to the official <...> guide is her cousin"? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:04, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
::I believe that "official" is just a very good way for marketing themselves they bought from Nintendo after their own guides were discontinued. Official doesn't mean canon. An official guide is something officially ''recommended'' and supported by the company. In my eyes, it is as much official as German Mario comics of [[Club Nintendo (magazine)|Club Nintendo]]. Those are also official and we have them on the wiki. But whenever their content is brought up, it is stated where this information comes from. What about "...with Princess Peach, who, according to the official <...> guide is her cousin"? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:04, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
:::Cobold is right on one matter unarguably: we should specifically say which source made that claim.  I actually find it very irritating that our "proof/sources" are things that only the original writer remembers, only to have people scramble around trying to figure out where a claim came from, and then all of a sudden, it's like, "Oh, here it is." It would take 2 minutes for the writer to put in a source.  So let's do it right with this part: put in a source, whether or not we want to call this canon.  Oh, one more point: don't put too much emphasis on the seal.  It does not mean Nintendo says something is "right", it simply means they find the guide as a whole acceptable... if that.  For all we know, the process could simply be like the ESRB's process, based on trust.  Look where that got them. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:38, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
:::Cobold is right on one matter unarguably: we should specifically say which source made that claim.  I actually find it very irritating that our "proof/sources" are things that only the original writer remembers, only to have people scramble around trying to figure out where a claim came from, and then all of a sudden, it's like, "Oh, here it is." It would take 2 minutes for the writer to put in a source.  So let's do it right with this part: put in a source, whether or not we want to call this canon.  Oh, one more point: don't put too much emphasis on the seal.  It does not mean Nintendo says something is "right", it simply means they find the guide as a whole acceptable... if that.  For all we know, the process could simply be like the ESRB's process, based on trust.  Look where that got them. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:38, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
:What I said Nintendo feels towards the guides can't be disagreed with for it is fact. You can't assume there is another possibility when the only reasoning points to Nintendo accepting all information from a guide as truth. Also... I don't have a problem with showing a source, I just originally said when the possibility was brought up that we could post imagery on the talk page. Pft, shoot. I could get sources for a lot of the information on this page, but when I'm the only one that is sensibly working on it for unreasonably long periods of time without anyone else contributing more than weird information, I never feel the need. In this case, sure. For all we know, Nintendo has made these guides official, there is nothing more to it. Assuming the ESRB or the writer's of the guide added something to their personal favor is speculative and unneeded. About the mistakes made in past guides, so what? Everyone knows there are rare typos in games, and there are odd translation errors in manuals, but they are still accepted by Nintendo. If something interferes with a fact, like mentioned about the stars first appearance, it was so minor a mistake, the creators could have made it. You see far more fatal plot-holes than that in the game than in guides. Sorry, I'm rambling. You get what I'm saying. Point is we can get the source. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]]
:What I said Nintendo feels towards the guides can't be disagreed with for it is fact. You can't assume there is another possibility when the only reasoning points to Nintendo accepting all information from a guide as truth. Also... I don't have a problem with showing a source, I just originally said when the possibility was brought up that we could post imagery on the talk page. Pft, shoot. I could get sources for a lot of the information on this page, but when I'm the only one that is sensibly working on it for unreasonably long periods of time without anyone else contributing more than weird information, I never feel the need. In this case, sure. For all we know, Nintendo has made these guides official, there is nothing more to it. Assuming the ESRB or the writer's of the guide added something to their personal favor is speculative and unneeded. About the mistakes made in past guides, so what? Everyone knows there are rare typos in games, and there are odd translation errors in manuals, but they are still accepted by Nintendo. If something interferes with a fact, like mentioned about the stars first appearance, it was so minor a mistake, the creators could have made it. You see far more fatal plot-holes than that in the game than in guides. Sorry, I'm rambling. You get what I'm saying. Point is we can get the source. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|ForeverDaisy09]]
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Daisy wan't in Mario is missing. I have the game now. The lady in the museum booth is a girl who is based off Peach more then anything. Even using Peach's SMW sprite complete with the blonde hair only difference being the blue dress. The museum artifact were stolen by Koopas and she asked Luigi to get them back. The lady appears in every level and is never named but it definately not Daisy. I think it would go better in Peach's bio since it is her SMW sprite.-Shadowexe
Daisy wan't in Mario is missing. I have the game now. The lady in the museum booth is a girl who is based off Peach more then anything. Even using Peach's SMW sprite complete with the blonde hair only difference being the blue dress. The museum artifact were stolen by Koopas and she asked Luigi to get them back. The lady appears in every level and is never named but it definately not Daisy. I think it would go better in Peach's bio since it is her SMW sprite.-Shadowexe
:Or as a separate article under the name Information Booth Attendant.  I remember removing the faked image earlier -- someone was tricked by a trickster on the internet who posted a recolored image of the attendant. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:47, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
:Or as a separate article under the name Information Booth Attendant.  I remember removing the faked image earlier -- someone was tricked by a trickster on the internet who posted a recolored image of the attendant. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:47, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
The real image is definitely there now, but considering it is Daisy's first color pallet, and most people considered in game models of Daisy a recolor of Peach it does make sense. I can edit it so that it's less determinative however.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
But it's not Daisy. No where is it said that this is Daisy. She even has blonde hair. Daisy doesn't.-Shadowexe
The point is already brought up that Daisy's only in game colored sprite had blond hair. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
She is indeed never referred to as Daisy, and I'm not sure how close she looks to her. I can put an image of her later if you want me to. (I've only played the SNES version, can't tell anything about NES and PC.) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 08:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:She has dark blond hair and a blue dress, and Peach's face from Super Mario World. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
FD no where does it say that it is Daisy. A blue dressed Peach doesn't make it Daisy. Her in-game dialouge says that she works at that museum booth and that these ladies in every world are different. Last time I checked Daisy only exists in one and is a princess. This booth lady that Luigi helps in Mario is Missing is meant to be a different character based on Peach. Not Daisy.
{{unsigned|Shadowexe}}
Well, so what are we going to do now? Move that Information Attendant thingy to another new page or what? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
Good idea. Just mention the similarities and such.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
I don't see any similarities though. This woman doesn't have Daisy's face, hair, or dress.-Shadowexe
Are you paying attention? The main reason this was ever assumed to be Daisy was the fact it is quite obviously not Peach, and because Daisy's only in game sprite shares the same pallet.[[User:Foreverdaisy09|FD09]]
:Here's my idea: these women are obviously separate characters from Princess Daisy, correct?  Why don't we examine Mario is Missing! closely to find a name such as "Museum employees" or "Information Booth attendants" and move all of that information over there?  Both their role and similarities with the princesses should be established. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:13, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::All of them look really similar, and aside from their appearance, they are absolutely identical. I think the page [[Curator]] works just fine. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 16:29, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
== Year of first appearance changed ==
I saw in Daisy's infobox "Super Mario Land <b>(1987)</b>" Why? I changed again the date to 1989. Is possible who changed the date was an act of Vandalism?
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:Yup, looks like it was vandalism, since it was the same user. Thanks for reverting it. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 12:35, 29 December 2008 (EST)
== Graphical Mishaps ==
The changes made to the graphical mishaps section were not justified as while the article does cover graphical problems, color errors apply as they are not simply changes so much as MISTAKES. The opening paragraph states that it is covering "mistakes or flaws-by-design". Also cut out was information from other problems which gave no explanation for such as the information about her incomplete collar. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
== Quick "Heads-Up" on Possible Article Protection here ==
As you all may have noticed, because of recent events the past two days -- I have to protect the ''Princess Peach'' and ''Toadette'' articles because of a vandal adding offensive content to them (which has been obviously reverted, and the person responsible being banned permanently). This article has been spared since only a few contributors have been keeping tabs on this article (specifically myself, and FD09). But just in case the maniac uses a proxy to vandalize this article again, let me know on my talk page A.S.A.P. so that I can get down toward protecting this page too; this behavior of adding offensive content to the articles about Mario series' females is downright unacceptable. Thanks in advance. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 21:39, 3 November 2009 (EST)
:Okay, but do you mind also unprotecting the Peach article a little early because NSMBWii is coming up. It's okay if you don't, I'm just stating that I wanna help be a but more contributive.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
::I already said it in the reasoning in regards to the Princess Peach article being protected -- that I <i>might</i> unprotect it when the release week of New Super Mario Bros. Wii arrives (maybe downgrade it to the level of "registered users only", meaning that those who just create new accounts cannot edit the article immediately). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 21:47, 3 November 2009 (EST)
:::Okay, sounds good. Thanks.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}