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Power Moon Tables

I would like to discuss your official decree on the way to do the Power Moon Tables. You call for the Moon #, name, image, and description for each table, but that ends up looking like this. The amount of vertical space this takes is horrendous, and it makes finding a specific moon take much longer than it should. On my laptop I can only see about 5 rows at once, on my phone (an S8 with the longer screen) I can see 8 rows when zoomed out, and on the mobile format of the site, I can only see 1 row at a time. I hope you can see the problem this creates, especially when most kingdoms have around 50-100 power moons. In contrast, this is a much better way of displaying the power moons on the kingdom pages. on my laptop I can see about 30 rows at once, on my phone I can see nearly the entire list at once, and on the mobile format I can see about 6 or 7, depending on the amount of text accompanying it.-- 16:56, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

@Eldritchdraaks: This is a TEMPORARY decree, so we don't take any big steps towards resolving the issue until the tables are all complete. ^(T|C) 17:04, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

I want to convey as much info about the moons as possible, and images are an important part of that. We could do a gallery, but then you'd put the moon number and name as the caption and lose the description, which is also important (unless you, uh, linked to a separate article for each moon). The table is the only option to include all the info I want while keeping everything on one page. --Steve (talk) 17:07, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Understood. In an effort to keep things simple and not overrun the kingdom pages with the ghastly large tables, I suppose I now support making separate articles.-- 17:15, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

However until the proposal has gone through and a decision has been made, can we default to the simpler lists? Just until that point. It will provide the same necessary information, minus the picture which will already take a long time to obtain.-- 17:20, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

I thought of another option, which is this. The kingdoms have a Power Moons section, with a gallery of the Moons and the Moon names as the captions. At the top of the Power Moons section, there is a {{main}} link to "List of X Kingdom Power Moons" which features the full table. --Steve (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

On mobile format, galleries display as a single column, and only about 4 would fit on screen. Is this an option for what to do until the proposal, or after?-- 17:47, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

I will test this idea. It would be implemented before the proposal. --Steve (talk) 18:07, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Using the galleries would force readers to go to the article pages to get a tiny bit of information about them. The table and list, at the very least, say something about how to obtain the moons. If that bit of info isn't on the kingdom page, it makes looking up the needed information more tedious. The table/list could keep the single short sentence about the moon, and then you can go to it's main article for what amounts to a walkthrough to obtain the moon.-- 19:14, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

What are the results of your test?-- 21:26, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

The gallery provides the reader with a more visual and less-overwhelming display of the Moons. If they wish to find out more about a Moon, they simply click the Moon title and are taken to the spot in the table with more information. These links also help with search engines by associating each Moon title with the list of Moons page. If we were ever to give Moons their own articles, the Moon title links in the gallery would simply be changed from the list anchors to the Moon articles. Based on these results, the test was good. --Steve (talk) 21:36, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Perhaps think of this way: A reader needs help finding the power moons, but doesn't want to resort to outright looking up exactly where they are. The easiest way is to view the names of the power moons, which hint at how to get them. If the photos are they, they risk getting spoiled because they can't not see it, but if there's just the description beside it, one can easily choose not to read it. The names would still link to the table/articles, as they do now, and they would provide the images for each both. In the past couple hours I've gone through a handful of sites with their own lists of power moons and the best formatted ones are on the Mario Party Legacy site, where they have the list of all the moons, sans description, and upon clicking the name takes you to its page with the image and description.-- 21:48, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

I don't know that it's for us to worry about spoilers vs. non-spoilers, I just want to present the info in a nice and accessible way. While a list of names linking to the table/article (and a short description next to them) gets the job done, right now I think the gallery is a more pleasant option. It's possible that the sheer number of Moons in some of these kingdoms will make me want to switch to lists, so we'll see how it goes. --Steve (talk) 22:27, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Here's a mockup of how it would look with a page like metro kingdom with 81 moons.-- 22:57, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

You're not going to like this, but I think I still like that better than a basic list. Sorry! --Steve (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

I once again defer to the mobile format of the site, as well as point out again the amount of scrolling this requires on any device. It makes searching through the gallery for the moon you need more confusing, because your eyes are constantly darting all over the screen, and it gets worse when you have to scroll and your eyes have to readjust to find the next line, which is made more difficult with the sea of images taking priority of your eyes, rather than the names. You can tell I'm trying really hard here when I need to bring in data on how the human brain+eyes work. Now, how about this: instead of each and every image on the page, we use a map. I'm already working pretty hard to piece together the brochure maps from the games to use on the wiki, which is hard because it's not displayed flat in the game.-- 23:37, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

If you're looking for a specific number moon, it's not difficult to quickly scroll through and get there on mobile. It is what it is. If you're just perusing the list, then the images are nicer to look at than a big wall of text. I had considered an image map for a minute, if it's even possible with all the layers, but if you're looking for a moon number and don't know where it is, the whole thing falls apart. And a map with everything listed underneath isn't much different than just the list. --Steve (talk) 00:08, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

Is this up for debate? Can I make a proposal for this?-- 00:29, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

You can create it. I'd like to know what others think. --Steve (talk) 02:55, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

I've made the proposal over here-- 14:46, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

Scratch that, the proposal is on the main page.-- 15:46, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

It's also disagreeable in that Darker Side only has ONE Power Moon, thus breaking the consistency. All the more reason to split them into separate articles. ^(T|C) 17:59, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

That one Power Moon will get its own article anyway, wouldn't it? 18:00, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

...Taking into account a situation like Bonefin Galaxy and Kingfin's Fearsome Waters. ^(T|C) 18:28, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Table displays on mobile devices

Hey there, Porplemontage; relaying a heads-up from someone saying that the tables are not displaying well on mobile devices. Are you aware of this situation by any chance and if so, do you know if there might be a solution in the works to deal with it? --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 11:18, 9 November 2017 (EST)

They look fine to me. I'm not sure what one would do. --Steve (talk) 14:08, 9 November 2017 (EST)

Yeah, I saw that someone else was working on a solution to that even after I posted this inquiry to you. Should be fine now. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 14:10, 9 November 2017 (EST)

After MeritC removed the rewrite template and consulted you, I thought I'd see how I could adjust the tables on the Super Mario 3D World. Not perfect, but at least they aren't going off the screen anymore. Was a simple fix. 14:19, 9 November 2017 (EST)

APNG Revisited

In the past, there were three proposals about the controversial APNG format and someone suggested you were opposed to the idea for the time being (can't find exactly where you expressed disapproval). That was 2016. As of 2017, starting with Chrome/Chromium 59, APNG is natively supported without the need of a plug-in. I tested this with Bulbapedia, as they have been supporting APNG for years. Still holds true with the latest versions. What is your stance now? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 06:03, 11 November 2017 (EST)

Then the biggest issue now is that thumbnails would not be animated here and you'd have one format that behaves differently from the rest. Either way, with Chrome support, I'm neutral and it can be decided via proposal. --Steve (talk) 13:16, 11 November 2017 (EST)

I would hold off the proposal until MediaWiki software can animate thumbnails of APNGs like it can for GIFs. To avoid confusion, I would recommend creating a policy to ensure that PNGs are distinct from APNGs through extension. Don't upload an APNG as *.png and vise-versa. If it happens anyways, treat it like Discouraging the OGG Extension (File:PMCS Ludwig Animated.png should be moved to File:PMCS Ludwig Animated.apng). Also prohibit converting GIF to APNG to expand a previous proposal's outcome. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 14:12, 11 November 2017 (EST)

In the current situation APNG won't be supported at all for thumbnailing. MediaWiki recommends ImageMagick for thumbnailing, and the person in charge of handling PNG images within ImageMagick is a member of the PNG Development Group and as such deliberately refuses to support APNG images. I think the main way to solve this with the current tools is writing a script that uses the APNG Disassembler and APNG Assembler command line tools, and unless we can easily come with such a script, it probably would be better to contact the people maintaining MediaWiki about this.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:26, 12 November 2017 (EST)

Identifiers

Hi, I want to see if I can get your approval before I propose this: I want the wiki to stop using series identifiers to refer to entities. This causes confusion for readers totally unfamiliar with the given subject; take Block Star (Mario Party series) as an example, because I think most would initially think it's an item, not a minigame like what it really is. By having a game identifier, I think it helps remove the ambiguity immensely. Also, keep in mind that some entities exclusive to a series suddenly appear outside the series they debuted in! Basically, my proposal would be to change the series identifiers to game identifiers of the game the subject first appeared in; we could also do this only for levels. Any thoughts? ^(T|C) 17:48, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Using the series is technically more correct. Using the first game implies it's only in that game, which is worse than implying it's only in a series. And changing Block Star (Mario Party series) to Block Star (Mario Party 6) does nothing to change any implication of whether it's an item or minigame. The Spiny Shell is best known from the Mario Kart series, so using that identifier is not a crime. Moving it to Spiny Shell (Mario Kart 64) is just less accurate, imo. --Steve (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Sorry but I thought Toadette was talking about using an identifier like Block Star (Minigame) instead of series or specific games.-- 19:11, 13 November 2017 (EST)

...Right. You do have a point... Time to make an alternate proposal: KEEP the series identifiers for all concrete subjects (items, objects, enemies, karts, bikes, tires, gliders, etc.) but add "series" at the end of each identifier so that they're not mistaken for individual works (I think that was my actual concern.), but REPLACE the series identifiers for all abstract subjects (worlds, levels, minigames, stages, race courses, etc.) with the identifiers of the game they first appeared in. How does that sound? ^(T|C) 15:53, 14 November 2017 (EST)

Sounds like you're just adding unnecessary complexity. I think "series" is only added when it's necessary to differentiate from a game - it's not needed for Mario Kart since there is no game called Mario Kart, but it's used for Mario Party to differentiate the series from the game called Mario Party. And again, Block Star (Mario Party series) is still better than Block Star (Mario Party 6) because it appears in later games of the series as well. --Steve (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2017 (EST)

"(Mario Kart)" is actually arguably confusing for readers not very familiar with the series. It makes it sound like that's a game, when really it's not. ^(T|C) 08:01, 15 November 2017 (EST)

um.

can you delete User:Yoshikart/chat please? it is not a allowed subpage.MKDSF^Talk!

uh.... HELLO? imma trying to get you're attention. MKDSF^Talk! oh my dad is coming. better log off.

Excuse me, get off my page. I don't take basic admin task requests. --Steve (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2017 (EST)

Bulk Image Upload

Does the wiki have a method for bulk uploading images?-- 15:57, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Nope :) --Steve (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Are you aware that there are several bulk upload options for media wiki?-- 16:03, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Certainly, we had one years ago. --Steve (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2017 (EST)

What happened to it?-- 16:06, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Oh, it was maintained poorly. Plus, I want everyone to take their time with uploads. --Steve (talk) 16:11, 17 November 2017 (EST)

I suppose that makes sense, wanting to take our time. Thanks for the talk.-- 16:16, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Bot edits

Pardon me, but I've made another proposal that involves changing a group of nav template names. Could you please run the bot on them?

• Template:MLBIS --> Template:M&LBIS
• Template:MLDT --> Template:M&LDT
• Template:MLPIT --> Template:M&LPIT
• Template:MLPJ --> Template:M&LPJ
• Template:MLSS --> Template:M&LSS
• Template:MASATOG --> Template:M&SATOG
• Template:MASATOWG --> Template:M&SATOWG
• Template:MASATSOWG --> Template:M&SATSOWG

Hello, I'm Time Turner. 19:18, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Weird keeping ampersands but not colons. I would have kept both or gotten rid of both. --Steve (talk) 17:26, 20 November 2017 (EST)

I think the majority logic was that the ampersands contribute more to their titles than the colons (although it is a mite bit weird). Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:39, 20 November 2017 (EST)

Would it be possible to run the bot on Template:SMB1 Levels (--> Template:SMB Levels) and Template:MP1 (--> Template:MP)? It seems odd when the games' titles don't contain the number one and other templates for similarly positioned games don't have a one in their title (for example, Template:NSMB or Template:SML). Not to mention Template:SMB. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:44, 9 March 2018 (EST)

.OGG/.OGA Problem

Last night I had a brief talk with Wildgoosespeeder over on my talk page about the .ogg/.oga files I was uploading. For reasons I don't understand and don't see what the problem is, the files all say "(Invalid Ogg file: Stream Undecodable)". I'm wondering if you might know what the problem is, and if this even matters.-- 10:57, 22 November 2017 (EST)

Converter not great. I just used this on the Bonneton OGA and the new file works, smaller size too. --Steve (talk) 11:12, 22 November 2017 (EST)

Thanks, I'll put it to use.-- 11:13, 22 November 2017 (EST)

Userboxes

Hey, Porplemontage, did you ever consider getting a userbox tower? You know, I actually made you a userbox:

This user is the proprietor of the Super Mario Wiki.

The code is as follows:
{{userbox|border=black|mainbkgd=white|codebkgd=#efefef|codecolor=#000000|code=[[File:Dr. Snoozemore Artwork - Mario & Luigi Dream Team.png|34px]]|msg=This user is the [[MarioWiki:Proprietor|proprietor]] of the Super Mario Wiki.}}
I chose the image of Dr. Snoozemore because he is the proprietor of Pi'illo Island. Whether you use the box or not is your decision, but I think I'll keep it in my personal sandbox for now. And while I'm here, happy (early) Thanksgiving! -YFJ (talk · edits) 16:12, 22 November 2017 (EST)

Thank you! Happy Thanksgiving! Not a big userbox guy, but never say never! --Steve (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Revert Several Edits

I am working with Fawfulthegreat64 (talk) to resolve an issue I discovered with his uploads on Gallery:Paper Mario. Can you revert edits to that of Time Turner (talk)'s edit on 12:59, September 1, 2017‎ since there are three consecutive edits? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 11:35, 2 December 2017 (EST)

Don't worry, I've done it. Yoshi876 (talk)

File Size Limit for OGG videos

There was a proposal that voted to increase the size limit for .ogg files to "around 25 - 30 MB". Since it is listed as having not been implemented in the archive, I thought that I would ask if you are able to put it into action, or if it's always been done. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:17, 2 December 2017 (EST)

This is something I can't really support on our current server given bandwidth and storage concerns. We would need a server upgrade, but those suck for everyone involved, so we're not going to do an upgrade for this reason alone. It would have to be the case that we need an upgrade anyway, and since things have been stable, there are no plans for that at this time. --Steve (talk) 21:37, 2 December 2017 (EST)

I'll make note of that in the archive, then. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:45, 2 December 2017 (EST)

Bot work

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change all transclusions of {{MLPJ Levels}} to {{M&LPJ Levels}}? Thanks! ^(T|C) 23:08, 3 December 2017 (EST)

Proposal on FLAC

Sorry if I ask, but before making the proposal on adding Free Losslees Audio Codec support on the wiki, I would like to know beforehand if there would be problems connected to that format and its addition among the formats of files that can be uploaded to the wiki, to avoid making a proposal that should then be withdrawn by other administrators.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Can't be done now. Maybe after we upgrade to 1.31 and I see if TimedMediaHandler works. --Steve (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Thanks, that is what I wanted to know.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Odyssey missions

Hey, Steve. I considered making a proposal regarding this matter, but figured I should go to you for this first since this relates to a decision you made. You said previously that the articles concerning the Odyssey Power Moons that can be made currently are for the story missions, the ones where the name pops up on-screen in underlined white text at the start of each one. However, it turns out these names are the names of the objectives seen on the brochure screen, not necessarily the Power Moon names (most of the objective names just happen to share the same names as those of the corresponding Power Moons). They're not just repeated or alternative names for Power Moons, though; some objectives are overarching missions with multiple Power Moons to collect as part of each one (e.g. "Getting the Band Together" with every "[Band member] on Board!" moon), while two of them don't have Power Moons at all. Up until now, most of the articles that have been put up are of missions that share the same name for both the objective and Power Moon, so I'm not quite sure which of the two we're making articles for. Mario JC 06:53, 29 December 2017 (EST)

We're not creating articles for Power Moons, we're creating articles for the objective names and calling them story missions for the purposes of the wiki (just like how we use the word "mission" for Mario 64 courses and Mario Sunshine episodes). Whether moon(s) are collected or not is irrelevant. --Steve (talk) 13:13, 29 December 2017 (EST)

That gives me the opportunity to ask a question of my own that's still related to the previous question. Two "missions" - A Fresh Start for the City and An Invitation from the Mayor - aren't technically missions at all, as all you have to do is talk to Pauline to start Getting the Band Together and A Traditional Festival!, respectively. Is it still worth creating articles for them? ^(T|C) 18:15, 29 December 2017 (EST)

If the objective name appears in bold on-screen, it gets an article that covers up until the next time that happens, or you're transported back to the Odyssey. If the objective changes with no bold text on-screen, those are sub-objectives of the current mission. So for New Donk, the three articles are The Scourge on the Skyscraper, A Fresh Start for the City, and A Traditional Festival!. Getting the Band Together, Powering Up the Station, and An Invitation from the Mayor are all objectives covered in the A Fresh Start for the City mission article. Note that boss battles Hat-to-Hat Combat and Battle with the Lord of Lightning! are a special case because even though the text never appears in bold on-screen, they are their own separate things and therefore get their own mission articles. --Steve (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2017 (EST)

That makes sense, thanks! Mario JC 22:41, 29 December 2017 (EST)

I know that this conversation is old, but I was wondering, which of the three Cap Kingdom missions deserve articles? I know that opening cutscenes don't exist for them, but you can't exactly call them sub-missions because the first "major mission" is in the Cascade Kingdom. I brought it up on the level articles thread on the forums, and Mario jc (talk) said that To the Top of Top-Hat Tower seemed to be the only important one but to ask you about it. So what's your opinion on this? -YFJ (talk · edits) 16:30, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Well, if you make an article for Cappy of the Cap Kingdom then at least you can cover all three in one article. But now I'm starting to think that we're making too many arbitrary exceptions and should just give all objectives an article to escape this trap. Proposal? --Steve (talk) 12:58, 9 February 2018 (EST)

Seems reasonable. I'll probably make one later today. -YFJ (talk · edits) 13:08, 9 February 2018 (EST)

Unused Protected MarioWiki Image

File:Discord.svg is going unused. I would tag with {{delete}}, but it is protected. I'm asking you because you uploaded it. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 12:57, 29 December 2017 (EST)

Mouser

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change all instances of [[Mouser (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Mouser]] to [[Mouser]]? Thanks! ^(T|C) 08:02, 30 December 2017 (EST)

MediaWiki Text

For MediaWiki:Sidebar, do you think it should have Category:Unresolved talk pages under Community somewhere, maybe between Proposals and Mario Boards? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 13:21, 3 January 2018 (EST)

No, not at all. --Steve (talk) 13:23, 3 January 2018 (EST)

Oh. I thought it would make sense because we have a lot of talk pages going unresolved. I think it is because not many users are aware of its existence. It's easy to miss on MarioWiki:Maintenance. I have even seen removal of {{talk}} because no one wanted to participate in a discussion, leaving nothing resolved. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 13:35, 3 January 2018 (EST)

Bub

I'm curious as to your thoughts on the discussion here. ^(T|C) 20:23, 12 January 2018 (EST)

How do we know that SM64 Bubs are Cheep Cheeps at all? --Steve (talk) 20:29, 12 January 2018 (EST)

I think Encyclopedia Super Mario made it unambiguous. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:32, 12 January 2018 (EST)

If they are, then the proposed change is fine. --Steve (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2018 (EST)

Order of navigation templates

I'm curious as to your thoughts on this proposal (permalink), especially regarding my vote and this proposal.

PS: Just in case I'm too late, is there any way I can legitimately challenge the outcomes of proposals less than four weeks old, if simply making another proposal will be rejected? ^(T|C) 16:17, 18 January 2018 (EST)

I would support option 2, but with the series ordered alphabetically. Games that are not within a series would be ordered as if the game title is the name of a series (example below). I guess you can't challenge it sooner than four weeks (proposals have consequences). --Steve (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2018 (EST)

It's too late for me to edit or cancel my proposal, but it would be possible for the admins to cancel it (and then I can put up the proposal again), should they decide that this "option 5" is worth pursuing. What do you think? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:11, 18 January 2018 (EST)

It's definitely my personal second choice if Option 4 fails. ^(T|C) 17:14, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Alright, let's compare the exact same list, but with the intended option 2.

Yeah, I like what you suggested better due. However, I am seeing it almost the same as alphabetically. The only difference being the order of the games within the series and games that are in the series that are generally far from the others (eg. Super Mario World 2 will be separate from other Yoshi games (not just Yoshi's Island) on the pure alphabetical ordering). Now that I think about it, it would be better to have things in series no matter what. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2018 (EST)

One more question for now: For the DiC cartoons, should they be grouped together, and the "series" titled "DiC"? ^(T|C) 17:44, 18 January 2018 (EST)

I'm vetoing the proposal. New proposal should have two options: My idea, and do nothing. The other options aren't enough of an improvement that they would be worth implementing. In response to option 2, I don't think the navigation templates necessarily should match the history sections because they serve different purposes. History starts in the past and moves forward. The nav templates are all about finding what you're looking for. I think once you find the series section you're looking for, it makes sense to have the games in release order. And I think the easiest way to find that series section is alphabetical order, rather than when the first game in that series came out, because that's not something we should expect casual readers to know (especially as the Mario franchise goes on longer and longer and has been around decades before a reader was born). --Steve (talk) 18:02, 18 January 2018 (EST)

I do have a follow-up idea that we can implement later on: Why not offer both options, rather than just relying on either one. I'm pretty sure we can use the "sortable" table call argument for sorting the templates. It will definitely take some time to implement (given how hard it might be to code), but it might work. See this Wikipedia page for more information (and this link might be helpful too). ^(T|C) 18:09, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Delete-request

For {{delete-request}}, in the lead sentence, shouldn't it be "This article is being considered for deletion." rather than "This article is currently pending deletion."? ^(T|C) 16:57, 24 January 2018 (EST)

Fix the zeldawiki links

Can you go on the interwiki log and change "zeldawiki.org" into "zeldawiki.gamepedia.com"? The links to the zeldawiki are not working because it is labeled incorrectly. Just click on this link and see. Zelda Torey (talk) 19:47, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Recreate Editing Tools

MediaWiki:Edittools should be recreated. Why? It would be useful for inserting Japanese characters and NIWA markup. Just take a look at Edit tools on F-Zero Wiki. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 17:44, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Still thinking about it? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 13:12, 12 February 2018 (EST)

On a side note, it would be nice if the metadata feature for file uploads was visible (would appear under file usage). I realize that any image that was optimized with my program or similar will be lacking the section. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 22:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Bot work (again)

Hi, when you get the chance, could you please run the bot to change all instances of {{The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Animated}} to {{TSMBSS}} (and {{SMBSS}} to {{TSMBSS Episodes}})? Thanks! ^(T|C) 17:40, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Hang on, that's incompatible with Template:The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Live. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:41, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Okay, could you please instead run the bot to change all instances of {{The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Animated}} to {{TSMBSS (animation)}}, {{The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Live}} to {{TSMBSS (live-action)}}, and {{SMBSS}} to {{TSMBSS Episodes}}? Thanks! ^(T|C) 17:46, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Morty Mole vs. Mega Mole

Okay, this is ridiculous. Since the notion of splitting Morty Mole from Mega Mole has now just been proposed a third time, I'm curious as to your thoughts on the matter. ^(T|C) 00:25, 15 February 2018 (EST)

I lean on names, so I would probably split it. I would also merge Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.) into Skeeter. I kind of wanted to split out Bub from Cheep Cheep. And as a side note, I badly want Chuckster to have an article (not as a separate species or anything, I just love Chucksters). --Steve (talk) 12:26, 15 February 2018 (EST)

While I want the moles split myself (and will make sure they get split if it takes me the rest of my life), Skeeter's actually a bit of a different case, as the Japanese name makes it clear they're about as different as Shy Guy and Bomb Guy (plus the guide that just called them "Skeeters" also called Sledge Bro. "Sumo Bro."). I'm surprised Chuckster doesn't have an article, maybe it doesn't to avoid meme spam. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:53, 15 February 2018 (EST)

I'd be happy to protect it if spam became an issue! --Steve (talk) 12:59, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Since this proposal was extended, I think you should give your thoughts on the Super Mario Maker version considering this proposal. Also, it does have alternative versions a la Mario Party: Star Rush and Mario Party 10 games involving them. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 23:34, 27 February 2018 (EST)

I wouldn't go nuts with Mario Maker stuff, especially if they're not named. --Steve (talk) 00:05, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Well, yes, they don't have an official official name (it is not in any text, but the official name that can be generated is Big Monty Mole), but the Mario Party variants do, but called Mega Monty Mole. Even still, these Monty Moles (as discussed in the proposal) don't belong to either if they are split. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2018 (EST)

The header message

Can you change it from “Issue 130 of the 'Shroom has been released” to “Issue 131”? Thanks! -YFJ (talk · edits) 03:29, 18 February 2018 (EST)

Auto Creating Redirects

I understand the importance of moving a page and having a redirect be automatically created. However, in the likelihood that when moving a page it's original location has nothing else that links to it, can it be made so that a redirect is not automatically created? Or maybe a delete template could be automatically placed on the original page?-- 14:58, 20 February 2018 (EST)

I’m not Porple, but that is already a right of sysops. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:17, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Br to Clear

Should {{br}} be changed to {{clear}}? <br> has nothing to do with css floating element clearings (although it used to with <br clear=all> but was changed to an HTML5-compliant version). --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:03, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Nah, not worth the effort. --Steve (talk) 00:05, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Thought you would go for it because of your moves a while back. I can see why you don't want to do it because there are thousands of pages for your bot to go through. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:08, 28 February 2018 (EST)

"The Morty-fying Situation"

Hi, in regards to the heated molten debate on whether we should split Morty Mole from Mega Mole, is it alright if the proposal is withdrawn with the option to relist immediately, given that it's now a multi-option proposal? By that I mean, give the users the option to vote on which information from each game (Super Mario World, Super Mario 3D Land, and Super Mario Maker) gets split and which of it stays merged. I have yet to draft this proposal, but I believe I can create a fairly decent proposal on the matter. Please advise. Thanks! ^(T|C) 23:34, 6 March 2018 (EST)

I am going to say the complete opposite and say that the talk page (as well as Morty Mole's) should be blocked from editing of non-admins (after the proposal, obcourse) until a certain date (the day Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., where more info can be obtained). I know that this is the most drastic action, but it would guarantee that no proposals on either page would happen. Then again, nothing is stopping it being placed on the proposals page. But, proposals until that time aren't going to be very effective. But, on the other hand, no new information is foreseeable until that time. But (knowing that you don't want to involve SMM version), withdrawing the proposal won't give time for any unforeseeable new info. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 00:53, 7 March 2018 (EST)

@Yoshi the SSM: With all due respect, that idea will cause more problems than it solves. I stand by my proposed action as is for now. ^(T|C) 15:57, 7 March 2018 (EST)

I don't mean to be nagging, but I need a response as soon as possible! ^(T|C) 16:30, 8 March 2018 (EST)

It's still a Support/Oppose proposal. If Support passes, then there can be a new proposal/discussion of how to handle it. --Steve (talk) 16:36, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Good answer so far! The problem, though, is that the proposal is a bit nebulous. Though "Mega Moles" are clearly defined to be from Super Mario World and "Morty Moles" are clearly defined to be from Super Mario 3D Land, little to nothing has really been said about how to group the big Monty Moles from Super Mario Maker and Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS. The other specific reason why I'm requesting this is because this matter has dragged on and on and on for FAR too long; even if the proposal passes or fails like normal, practically next to nothing will really be accomplished. ^(T|C) 16:59, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Also, I'll need a response to that comment whenever you get the chance (don't mean to nag you again, but what can I do?). ^(T|C) 17:01, 8 March 2018 (EST)

I think Morty Moles are unique to Super Mario 3D Land at this time. The Mario Maker enemy is an enlarged Monty Mole, which I would consider to be the same thing as a Mega Mole without sunglasses. --Steve (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2018 (EST)

But, even then, SMM version acts way way way differently from SMW. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Then I guess it's literally just an "enlarged Monty Mole" and wouldn't be covered in either article. --Steve (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2018 (EST)

That would actually cause a serious coverage gap on the wiki. Here's what LinkTheLefty said a while ago: "But we can't split off the Super Mario Maker big Monty Mole into its own article without conflicting with another proposal. That's precisely the problem - if Mega Mole and Morty Mole split, there will still be no obvious place to put this enemy. It will be in the same exact wishy-washy position of perpetual limbo that the Super Mario Maker winged Buzzy Beetle was in before the Para-Beetle and Parabuzzy merge. That's why this aspect needed to be decided in advance." That wasn't what I meant anyways. I already know your opinion on the matter. What I mean is, should I withdraw and relist the proposal with the changes I mentioned, or should I not? That's all. ^(T|C) 18:12, 8 March 2018 (EST)

The enlarged Mario Maker Monty Mole would not get its own article. It's already mentioned here that they can be enlarged, you would just update it to remove that it turns them into a Mega Mole, because as you say yourself, the behavior is different. It turns them into a larger Monty Mole. --Steve (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Coverage gap? If that's the case, please direct me to the pages for the large Spike Tops, Baby Bloopers, and Rocky Wrenches from Super Mario Maker. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Please just answer this question I tried to ask you without talking about your personal stance. I know it already! ^(T|C) 18:24, 8 March 2018 (EST)

You didn't ask a question there. I'm responding to your points on why it's nebulous and how to proceed if it passes regarding the Mario Maker enemy, etc. --Steve (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2018 (EST)

...Well, yeah, I didn't, but I still wasn't saying whether we should split it or not (I believe you have already mentioned your stance about a week or two ago when I previously asked for your assistance.). I was asking whether we should withdraw and relist the current proposal with a broader, multi-option scope concerning as many of the possible routes we could take as possible (E.G., split out Morty and keep the other two merged, split out all three enemies (or drop initial Super Mario Maker coverage), hold off until Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. releases in English, etc.). ^(T|C) 19:15, 8 March 2018 (EST)

I essentially already answered that we shouldn't withdraw and relist. If Support passes, we'll get to that (although after working through it here, I believe I've described the best course of action). If Oppose passes then we won't have to worry about any of it anyway. --Steve (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Okay I guess. Very sorry for any rudeness I might have caused. ^(T|C) 19:40, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Bot request

Could you set up the bot to change links from Super Smash Bros. (Nintendo Switch) to Nintendo Switch Super Smash Bros.? Thanks! -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:10, 9 March 2018 (EST)

I don't even agree with your move. Look at the title of smashbros.com - "Super Smash Bros. (Title Pending) for Nintendo Switch" --Steve (talk) 15:12, 9 March 2018 (EST)

See this. -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:20, 9 March 2018 (EST)

smashbros.com is more important. No need to reinvent how we do things here. You know what that means - move it back! --Steve (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Okay, I moved the article back. You’ll have to delete the talk page before I can move it though. -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:29, 9 March 2018 (EST)

I moved the talk page and undid all my edits related to the move. Sorry for the trouble! -YFJ (talk · edits) 15:39, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Okay, new request. I’m about to remove the identifiers of Super Mario (series), Mario & Sonic (series), Mario Artist (series), and Mario's Early Years! (series). I know that these are all big moves, especially the first one, so I'll ask that you program the bots to change links for the pages, if you’re okay with the move. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:15, 9 March 2018 (EST)

You need to calm down and not move anything right now. --Steve (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Yeah, maybe I should have thought twice before moving Smash Switch. But we've reached a general consensus of moving Super Mario (disambiguation) to Super Mario, so never mind. But can you delete Super Mario so I can do this? Thanks! -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:52, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Yeah, you reached a "general consensus" with like one guy. I actually agree with moving the disambiguation page, but there will be no moving major series pages on a whim. --Steve (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Okay, I see. Well, thanks for your help! -YFJ (talk · edits) 00:04, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Game & Watch

Does "Game & Watch (series)" really need to be italicised, considering it's a series of systems like the Nintendo DS line and not games like the Game & Watch Gallery series? Mario JC 00:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Yeah thanks, I accidentally swept that up with some game series. --Steve (talk) 01:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Typo on "Course" description

"Whereas" is one word, by the way. I'd change it myself, but of course I lack the necessary permissions. Just wanted to be helpful :) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Bot work "again"

Hi, would you mind running the bot to fix the links for all of the pages you just moved (where you changed identifiers from "course" to "golf course" and the like) as well as two more so far: Sherbet Land (course) and DK Jungle (Mario Kart)? I'll be sure to inform you if I find more. Thanks! ^(T|C) 17:32, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Sherbet Land (race course) is correct since it's one of those general articles like Bowser's Castle (race course). However, for DK Jungle, I also made a change to actually prefer the retro abbreviation first. --Steve (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2018 (EST)

I guess that makes sense for the most part, but the "retro" identifiers definitely shouldn't be overkill (especially given the sketchy scenario with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe). But we'll probably explore that further later on, maybe when Mario Kart Tour releases. ^(T|C) 17:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)

MK identifiers

So to clarify, course like Donut Plains 1 (course) get moved to "Donut Plains 1 (SNES)", and Donkey Kong Jungle (course) to "Donkey Kong Jungle (arcade)" to match Bowser's Castle (arcade)?

Also, I think the reason these were removed was to reflect this proposal; I don't see how it's necessary for users who end up on these pages for any reason mentioned there. Mario JC 21:02, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Yes on the identifiers. I don't even think about how a user might have gotten somewhere, if a subject has a similar name I say err on the side of including more info rather than less. --Steve (talk) 21:26, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Retro identifier overkill

Hi, is the retro identifier for Dry Dry Ruins (Wii) overkill? After all, it is being disambiguated with something that's not a race course, which isn't similar to DK Jungle's case at all. That brings me to the next question: what should we do in cases where we're disambiguating a Mario Kart series race course from a game released on a console with a non-Mario Kart series race course from a game released on the same console? ^(T|C) 06:29, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Dry Dry Ruins (Wii) is correct. The Mario Kart course always gets the retro console abbreviation identifier. The non-Mario Kart series race course would use the game name. --Steve (talk) 11:41, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Okay; I'm just asking since that setup is likely to confuse readers, considering Paper Mario (the game the other Dry Dry Ruins appears in) was a Wii Virtual Console game. Since I still have my doubts, is it alright if I draft a three-option proposal covering how to use retro identifiers? I'll explain much of the details once I start. ^(T|C) 14:47, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

No, don't do that. {{about}} is right there at the top to dispel any confusion. --Steve (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Also, even though the game is on the Wii, Paper Mario is more console associated with the Nintendo 64, so if a user saw (Wii), they would know that it wasn't Paper Mario's version. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Here's the deal: The Mario Kart identifiers aren't 100% identifiers. They're a compromise between an identifier and what the course title is or would be if it were brought back as a retro course. I also like the consistency among the courses now. --Steve (talk) 15:45, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Well, while I will include an option for not including retro identifiers at all, this would not be an opinion I would even remotely support, and would probably just throw it in there for the sake of other users' opinions. All in all, I understand your skepticism, I honestly do, but keep in mind that my concern for confusion is aimed more towards those who aren't yet familiar with the series, not necessarily those who are. How about if I draft the proposal anyway, then we'll deal with the actual passages of the proposal once I'm done?

Also, for the sake of it, what about the two Luigi's Mansion courses? Did you have plans for moving those too? ^(T|C) 17:03, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

There will be no proposal on this. There is no perfect solution, but this is what it's going to be right now. The Luigi's Mansion articles are already moved. --Steve (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

I only said I was going to draft the proposal, not necessarily implement it. Also, the reason I brought up Luigi's Mansion was because one is a battle course while the other is a race course. Now, I know you're probably thinking, "Please, why are you dragging this on and on? This solution works, period!" However, in this particular scenario, it doesn't. For new readers especially, it leads them to think "Huh...there's a Luigi's Mansion in Double Dash? I don't understand!" and then "Oh...that's confusing." Also, what about the battle courses based around a gaming console? Really, I'd like to see more discussion before this takes full effect.

P.S.: If you're wondering, I'm also open to waiting a full week or two before implementing. ^(T|C) 18:37, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

I just thought of another counterexample! Tick Tock Clock is a race course in Mario Kart DS, despite us covering the area from Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS, the latter game also being released on the DS! ^(T|C) 18:44, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Hey, please stop messaging me about this. I will try to explain it as clearly as possible one more time: The point of the race course retro identifiers is not to differentiate from similarly-named articles, but to match the convention used here and here. This is not how identifiers are usually used, so I understand the confusion. There is an exception in MarioWiki:Naming for those two console-named battle courses because "Nintendo DS (DS)" is almost too dumb, but never put it past me to change my mind (especially if Nintendo actually brought one back as a retro). --Steve (talk) 19:12, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks, that helps! ^(T|C) 21:32, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Technical restriction naming

Don't worry, this isn't about the retro identifiers again. (Even though that matter likely will be revisited in the not-too-distant future.) I'm instead talking about some issues regarding technically restricted names, something I'm surprised no-one has talked about yet. Specifically, I'm asking how the Super Mario World castle levels should be technically titled under. Their level names look something like "#<number> <Koopaling>'s Castle". Since both "<Koopaling>'s castle" and "<number> <Koopaling>'s castle" (the latter without the "#") both yield favorable results on Google, is it alright if I move the pages to the latter variant, since that's closer to their correct name? ^(T|C) 15:39, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Hi, we will not be revisiting identifiers. Since we already fix everything with DISPLAYTITLE, all that would really change from the reader's perspective is the URL. Pretty minor thing to worry about, I'm fine either way, you can do a proposal on it if you'd like. --Steve (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks! On a side note, should I make a proposal and it passes, should the naming policy be given a short section regarding how to deal with technical restrictions, based on the consensus? ^(T|C) 08:38, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Since this happens relatively rarely and will impact different titles in different ways, I think there should always be some room for handling things on a case-by-case basis, but if you want to propose a rule that says we should try to match the title as closely as possible, ok. --Steve (talk) 12:17, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Hey uh...

Hi there. Hi. You may or may not remember me having an account on SmashWiki. Um, I can't seem to be able to find the "edit" button on the top of pages like I should...but I can find it on talk pages. What's the deal? Iron Reggie, the Fearsome Warrior 01:00, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

Nvm, I got it. But it still doesn't show up on certain pages. Iron Reggie, the Fearsome Warrior 01:02, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

I’m not Porplemontage, but I do know that you can only edit certain pages once you become autoconfirmed (more details here). Try again once becoming autoconfirmed. -YFJ (talk · edits) 02:36, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

SSB proposal

Since you were skeptical of change to the Super Smash Bros. coverage, you might feel inclined to provide imput to this proposal. This message is just out of courtesy, and I don't have anything more to suggest. ^(T|C) 18:37, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

ImageMagick

This is nothing new but this is just a log to remember what is broken under ImageMagick:

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No need to reply right now. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 17:30, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

This conversation hasn't been revisited in over a year. I haven't truly forgotten. Anyways, I think on Discord you mentioned something about server upgrades and updating to the latest version ImageMagick or something. Is it possible to do now? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 13:07, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

Server upgrade is now scheduled for January 2021. We'll have the latest after that! --Steve (talk) 17:09, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

I thought you wanted to upgrade at the end of 2018? I forgot most of the details but is upgrading only ImageMagick possible or is there something the latest version needs only found on the new server hardware or software? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 20:46, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

I said we "may" upgrade at the end of 2018 and that ended up being not the case. It needs the new server to be compatible. --Steve (talk) 21:17, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

Bummer. I got excited when I saw that MarioWiki got upgraded software-wise (Special:NewFiles is showing something completely different and new graphics for next pages for users). Hope to see Extension:TimedMediaHandler replace Extension:OggHandler some time in the future. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 21:52, April 14, 2019 (EDT)

Another Proposal Problem

Hi, sorry to bother you again, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on this proposal. Honestly, I think it's a detrimental change, but I'm not sure if I have a fuller picture of it yet. ^(T|C) 16:31, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Extension questions

Any chance you'll ever install the LUA extension? It's secure and Wikipedia uses it. The reason why I ask is currently, formatting complicated tables without redundancy is a futile pursuit because of tables' CSS standard, and this strongly deters future table reformatting. Generating tables in LUA would remove all of the redundancy and allow much greater ease in renovating tables. --The Retro Gamer 14:17, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

This is not currently possible because we can't run PHP pcntl in a web server environment, but since that requirement was removed in MediaWiki 1.29, it may be possible after we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.31 (next LTS version). I do try to keep it pretty conservative with extensions, though. Give me an example of a table you're talking about and the issues that could be fixed? --Steve (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

If you're conservative about extensions, I may not pursue this one further. Coding in LUA would help with creating DRYer code, but I think I've discovered other ways of getting what I want. --The Retro Gamer 21:30, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Although, now that I think about it, the extension I really think would improve this wiki is the Echo extension. It adds a full notification system, which allows users to "ping" other users by linking to their username, allowing them to reply in an external discussion without having to notify them on their talk page. This would allow talk page discussions to be rationally confined to one talk page, with users just pinging the other user when they reply, so that following user talk page discussions in the future would be less confusing. But I think this extension falls clearly in the category of "ask your users before implementing", since it would affect the top-UI, and users would additional settings to individually configure if they didn't like the default settings. --The Retro Gamer 21:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Could you (or anyone else) modify the mediawiki prefix to also have mediawiki? It's really annoying and inconsistent with every other prefix. --The Retro Gamer 21:56, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

MediaWiki is a namespace, it can't also be an interwiki prefix. --Steve (talk) 23:05, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Guidance concerning userspace

Could you lend your expertise and opinion to this discussion? --The Retro Gamer 21:30, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

So, I don't get creating the user subpages for table stuff and I'm really not a fan of using multiple/repeating templates for tables in the mainspace. --Steve (talk) 23:05, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

I will say re: multiple repeating tables, CSS has fixed most of those problems, so while they did fix some problems, the row templates are completely removable, as soon as I convert the format over. I do think it's worthwhile to have a section header template, because it's bad practice to repeat all of the formatting information of three rows of section heading six times. --The Retro Gamer 23:25, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

I think tables like that should just be all wikicode. I think you'll find that's the case with tables across the wiki (except for things like {{media table}} obviously - same format used on many pages and all in one template). --Steve (talk) 23:39, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

I just think obvious repeated code of sufficient length should be templates (and to clarify, it would be entirely wikicode, aside from the section headers -- but perhaps it would be better to show you an example of what I mean). My point is simply that in pages like Donkey Kong Country, which are largely finished products, it is much easier to modify a templated section head than six different ones. But you're welcome to respectfully disagree, and I have no problem with reverting it back (but you'll have to give a moment, as some of the conversion is a bit tricky.) --The Retro Gamer 23:46, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, I'd say revert it back. Even though it removes the amount of code on the article page, it still adds unneeded complexity and sort of obfuscates what's going on if someone unfamiliar wants to get in there and edit the table. No need to reinvent the wheel and change how we do things. --Steve (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Okay, I've made the change... mostly.

But I want to demonstrate what I mean when I say "repeated code of sufficient length should be templates" (which may have been misinterpreted in this context, given some of my more dubious templating):

Original

{|class="dktable" style="width:99%; text-align:center"
|colspan=7 style="background:saddlebrown"| <span style="color:white; font-size: medium">Levels and Bonus Areas</span>
|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Kongo Jungle]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Monkey Mines]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Vine Valley (world)|Vine Valley]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Gorilla Glacier]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Kremkroc Industries, Inc.]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Chimp Caverns]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | [[Gangplank Galleon]]
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA

<!-- Levels -->

|}

vs.

Templates

Inline code:

{|class="dktable" style="width:99%; text-align:center"
|colspan=7 style="background:saddlebrown"| <span style="color:white; font-size: medium">Levels and Bonus Areas</span>
{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Kongo Jungle]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Monkey Mines]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Vine Valley (world)|Vine Valley]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Gorilla Glacier]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Kremkroc Industries, Inc.]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Chimp Caverns]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

{{DK levels table section |game=dkc |world=[[Gangplank Galleon]]}}

<!-- Levels -->

|}

Template code:

<includeonly>|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#BB8855" | {{{world|?}}}
|-style="background:burlywood"
! colspan="3" style="width:15%" | # || rowspan="2" style="width:35%" | Level || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Bonus Areas || rowspan="2" style="width:13.5%" | Type of level || rowspan="2" style="width:23%" | Music theme
|-style="background:burlywood"
! style="width:5%" | SNES !! style="width:5%" | GBC !! style="width:5%" | GBA</includeonly>

The section templates actually significantly reduces obfuscation. Even though it adds some modification complexity because the code is in an external template, it significantly saves complexity in actual use, because no one has to worry about accidentally modifying one of the sections incorrectly. It's also a very simple template to use, because all of the parameters are named.

Regarding editing obfuscation, I think the current template code eliminates that: it's currently just pure table code, with one template parameter. If I wanted to support more games, I could minimize adding obfuscation in one of two ways:

1. Using a global game switch, which would have the downside of turning all of the | -> {{!}}.
2. Using subtemplates corresponding to the game name, which would create more pages than strictly necessary.

--The Retro Gamer 10:32, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Questions about your bot account

I've always been curious about this, but how do you program your bot account to perform changes? I've noticed that most of the changes seem to be simple find-and-replace, and I'm wondering how far you can extend the functionality with the format you're using. --The Retro Gamer 11:15, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

I just use this. --Steve (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Yet another proposal issue

I'm curious as your thoughts on this proposal, since it seems to be the only major change The Retro Gamer hasn't really discussed with you. Honestly, I think it's unprofessional and quality-undermining, but I think you might have something to add. ^(T|C) 15:30, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

EDIT: Looks like a second option I'd prefer better was added. I'd still be open to your view of the discussion. ^(T|C) 15:56, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Cannot use my email

I have problems trying to set up my email address, I used the same email address I used with the forums, but it said it cannot be used, I'm unsure if I need to send you an email, PM you on the boards, or say it here for further info on this. John Denver Fan (talk) 21:07, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Sure, you can PM it to me. --Steve (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Reception table technical issue

Hi, so I tried adding a reception table to the Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker page, but for some reason it's cutting off the "References to other games" header just below it, and I can't seem to figure out why from the coding. Would you mind looking at it? Thanks! ^(T|C) 08:55, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Never mind, I realized I forgot the {{br}} template at the end. ^(T|C) 16:56, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

No, I already fixed it. You had the table floating for no reason. --Steve (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

You know, that unwanted code actually appears in reception and sales policy page. Mind removing it? Thanks! ^(T|C) 18:02, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Identifier clarification

Hi, I hope you don't mind me asking, but would "basketball course" be considered a suitable identifier? I'm just asking because Mario Hoops 3-on-3 features areas that can't be considered courts, and two such areas (Peach's Castle and Rainbow Road) aren't really being disambiguated from anything else sport-related, so what are your thoughts? ^(T|C) 15:34, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

It would be "Dribble Race course" --Steve (talk) 16:32, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Identifier clarification (second scenario)

Hi, what type identifier should be used for gameboards in the Mario Party series, Itadaki Street DS, and Fortune Street; "board", "gameboard", or "game board"? ^(T|C) 22:09, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

"board" is good. --Steve (talk) 22:20, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Naming

Hi, would you mind changing Mario Stadium (court) to Waluigi Pinball (court) in bullet point 1B of MarioWiki:Naming § Determining the identifier? Thanks! ^(T|C) 08:26, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Mario Tennis Aces coverage issue

The story mode in Mario Tennis Aces is split into levels, but the levels themselves use two different names: one for the lesser location within the world, and one for the actual name of the level (for example, Madame Mirage is fought in the Royal Chamber in the mission All Hail the Mirror Queen). Which name should be used? ^(T|C) 23:57, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Create the mission articles (e.g. All Hail the Mirror Queen) - these are not courts. The lesser location names like Royal Chamber are courts, but we surely don't need articles for all those courts in addition to the mission articles. Redirect all the lesser location names to the main court articles (e.g. Royal Chamber -> Mirage Mansion). Add a story mode section to those articles where you can mention what the greater area is like in the story mode, the additional courts, and link to the mission articles. --Steve (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

Username

Toadette the Achiever told me that I cannot use the username Koops. This user has been inactive for years. Can I use this username when I change it on August 12 or do I have to pick a different username? File:Koops - PMTTYD.pngKoops (message) 19:14, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually never mind. I read the user rename page and Koops can't be taken. Sorry for asking. File:Koops - PMTTYD.pngKoops (message) 19:22, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Bot editing

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every and all transclusions of Category:Outer Space Locations to Category:Cosmic Locations, as per this proposal? Thanks! ^(T|C) 21:14, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Mario & Sonic Event pages identifiers

Hello, I've recently made a proposal to change the way that Mario & Sonic event articles are handled, which involves splitting each appearance of the event off onto a separate article. However, there's a bit of disagreement about the identifiers, so Toadette the Achiever suggested that I ask you about it. A lot of the events appear in several games with the same name, which causes a problem with making identifiers when splitting. From what I can piece together from here, I think the identifier should be something like (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games) for events that only appear in one version of the instalment and (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games (Wii)) for ones that appear in more than one version if a single instalment, however Toadette the Achiever suggested another system which solely uses the console as the identifier, such as (Wii U), but this causes issues for games with more than one instalment on a console. I've probably explained it better in the proposal, so you may want to read through that first. The proposal hasn't quite ended yet, so everyone may still show up and oppose it and this may not be necessary, but it's currently winning 5-0 with two days to go, so I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts that you have on the matter, thanks. :) BBQ Turtle (talk) 15:56, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

I'd go with your method, except don't do nested parenthesis, do (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for Wii) when the console is needed. --Steve (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

OK, thank you very much. I'll go with that then. BBQ Turtle (talk) 04:51, 17 July 2018 (EDT)

Illegal advertisment

there is an illegal ad on your website saying that this content requires Java Update 13.6. would you like to update now, and says to install or continue. with an X in the top right corner that is supposed to remove ads like this but instead it acted as if I had clicked the ad this was the ad's image

URL the ad takes you to and screenshot with timezone, device, and browser are useful info for reporting these. --Steve (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Reduce the minimum number of entries in game-specific categories?

Hi, I'm wondering if it's okay to reduce the minimum number of entries in game-specific categories from five to three. The reason I ask is because there are actually many instances where there would be only three or four entries at most: the number of levels in Donkey Kong, the number of levels in Donkey Kong Jr., the number of levels in Donkey Kong 3, the number of minigames in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, the number of ATVs in Mario Kart 8, the number of minigames in Paper Mario: Color Splash...the list goes on. Plus, it's currently clogging up the levels and minigames categories, and likely many more. ^(T|C) 19:36, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Do a proposal ;) --Steve (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

I'll do that, thanks. ^(T|C) 08:59, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

Identifier discussion (mostly for characters)

Yes, I know I've discussed related cases with you countless times before, but this isn't necessarily the same case. This time I'm talking about a more problematic case - one that doesn't seem to be bound by policy despite some admins saying it is.

Recently, some admins have been moving character pages with identifiers to the name of the species they identify as (such as Jerry (Bob-omb)). While that sounds perfectly normal at first glance, the problem is actually more straightforward than you'd probably think it is: Where does it stop? The example I provided is just one of many examples of this trend...not bound by policy!

If you want my thoughts, while I definitely understand why such moves would be taking place, I think it's not necessarily a good idea. I could go on and on about why I think that, but I think my main issue is that not every character is of a species defined by Mario standards, which makes the cases wildly inconsistent with each other. To back up a bit, in some cases, that kind of identifier works fine, such as the aforementioned Jerry case; one is unambiguously a Bob-omb, while the other is unambiguously a Magikoopa. In other cases, the cracks begin to show, such as the Boomer case; one is clearly a Pixl, another is clearly a member of the Brothers Bear (though it has the generic "(bear)" identifier that's likely to cause problems), and another is a boss and therefore has a "(boss)" identifier (though should it have that identifier? Surely he has a bigger role than just a boss...). In yet other cases, that kind of identifier wouldn't seem to work at all, such as the Herman case; one is clearly a human, but the other appears to be a carnivorous plant of some kind (would it be "plant" or "carnivorous plant"? Even if you were to make a decree about this, I'm not sure if all of the users would agree with it, let alone me.).

Here are a few more examples:

• Gary
  • Mario Tennis: Power Tour (Gary (human)) – I feel rather uneasy about the "human" identifier, and though it's not a bad identifier, it looks kind of silly. That's probably just me, though...
  • Super Paper Mario (Gary (Goomba)) – I think that in a double-disambiguation scenario, if one page gets the more specific type identifier, the other should too.
• Lily
  • Paper Mario (Lily (flower)) – ····· How would that help anyone? As it is, no one would even guess at first glance that the article is about a character and not a generic water lily.
  • Super Paper Mario (Lily (Flip-Flop Folk)) – "Flip-Flop Folk" isn't even an official name, so I don't think new readers would immediately understand the identifier.
• Sonny
  • Saturday Supercade (Sonny (ape? gorilla?)) – Even if the matter was settled via discussion or proposal, the reality is that the show treats "ape" and "gorilla" interchangeably, with neither term taking priority over the other.
  • Mario Golf (Sonny (human)) – Same as both entries for Gary.

What I'm suggesting is that we use game identifiers as an absolute second resort for all cases, and restrict the "species" identifiers (and any related cases) to absolute last resorts, such as with the Slim case. As always, any questions/comments/suggestions so far? ^(T|C) 00:31, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

I think you're right, which is why I changed the policy. The admins were doing the right thing, because they were moving pages to what type of thing it is before using the game name, which is what the policy was. But I think the change makes sense, because these are minor characters. I don't think people would say "ah yes, Sonny the human." It makes more sense to me to say "ah yes, Sonny from Mario Golf." Looking forward to the unintended consequences and policy revision. --Steve (talk) 03:01, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Problem here, though, is I don't want to have to type out something like "Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door" every time I want to link to someone with a five-letter-long name who happens to share a name with someone else, particularly given how confusing that title can be to parse with the colon and dash and capitalization. I think the species identifier should be used for non-humans primarily. "Herman (plant)" makes sense. Furthermore, it's easier to remember "Jerry the Bob-omb" than "Jerry the minor character from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door," and similar cases like that. Title identifiers are honestly just a pain to link to and to search for, particularly that overly-long ones for the RPGs, DKC games, TV series, and SMW2. I think instead of a hard rule, this should be based more off of common sense over what's simpler, easier to type out, and easier to remember. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:42, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Furthermore, with the aforementioned case of "Body Slam," it seems more likely to think "Body Slam as performed by Bombette" than "Body Slam as used within the first Paper Mario game." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I'd like to butt in and say that, while the above scenario that Doc talked about just now would be logical if these were the only three Body Slam moves, there's also a Body Slam used by multiple characters, and so that would break a few consistencies as well. ^(T|C) 21:39, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

Exactly. And while "Body Slam (Bombette move)" is great because she appears in one game and uses the move in one game, I think "Body Slam (Bowser move)" is actually worse because it's a move very specific to one game and you don't know that from that identifier. It could imply it's a move used by Bowser in any number of the games he's been in, when it's really about one game specifically. The game title identifier at least keeps it contained to that game. Game titles aren't perfect because they're long, but they do prevent having to deal with some weird cases such as Toadette described. --Steve (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

But see, attempting to force consistency between identifiers is detrimental for both user and browser experience. While the Bowser's Inside Story and Super Mario RPG ones should stay game identifiers, "Paper Mario" would seem to be a pretty generic identifier to a browser who doesn't know the "-series" addendum rule. "Bombette" and "Flurrie" would work better for those cases. We don't need consistency. We need logical and simple identifiers that don't bog everything down. To me, this seems more like one of those "use judgement and don't make overly-restrictive guidelines" things, like where much of the votes are going on the reused artwork proposal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I agree that in some cases a rule is better and in other cases using judgment is better, but in this case I'd prefer to have the rule and some consistency. If it's case-by-case people are just going to move things back and forth with no policy to point to. Who's to say that Bowser is worse than the game name? It's too subjective. You could vote on it, or ask me, but to the reader it would just appear random (two articles having the game name and two being characters). The reason this discussion got started is because there was an inconsistency. I'd love to stop talking about identifiers, so I want the rule and less ambiguity. And again, I think identifying things that appear in a single game (or series) under the umbrella of that game (or series) makes sense. --Steve (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

I still think this causes far more headaches (and carpal tunnel syndrome) than it solves. But that's just me. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

Notification plugin

I'm just wondering, but have you ever considered giving MarioWiki a newer notification plugin? I think it will be helpful to allow users to ping each other and also give notifications to users that had their edits reverted. I'd have several cases where pinging a user would've been useful. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:47, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I haven't looked into it too much; maybe at some point. --Steve (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

Not autoconfirmed yet after 4 days of activity?

I was active 4 days with my account, and i am still not autoconfirmed. Can you explain this? Since you are the founder of this wiki. -- Yoshi! Wanna discuss? My contributions! 02:29, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

Ah, according to GashomyWiki, i must wait the hour i started to edit the first day to be autoconfirmed. -- Yoshi! Wanna discuss? My contributions! 05:41, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

Bot work (yet again)

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of [[Grinder (obstacle)|Grinder]] and [[Skewer (obstacle)|Skewer]] to [[Grinder]] and [[Skewer]], respectively? (And, of course, could you also have the bot change every instance of [[Grinder (obstacle)| and [[Skewer (obstacle) to [[Grinder| and [[Skewer|, respectively?) Thanks! ^(T|C) 22:47, 31 August 2018 (EDT)

Thanks so much for doing that! ^(T|C) 23:40, 31 August 2018 (EDT)

Also, would you mind getting the bot to change [[Cart]] to [[Mine Cart]] (and [[Cart|]] to [[Mine Cart|]])? Thanks! ^(T|C) 14:45, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

About the Smash Wiki, Mario Wiki and Mario boards technical difficulties

About twenty minutes ago when I tried to come on those Wikis and the Mario Boards, it was out. Why was it knocked out? White Lightning 17:55, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Another bot request

Please change all links to Club Nintendo to instead lead to Club Nintendo (magazine). RickTommy (talk) 01:19, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

And would you also mind changing the links to WarioWare, Inc. to WarioWare, Inc.? Thanks! ^(T|C) 19:49, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

File deletion

[[::File:Bloopers4-MPT.gif|This file]] is just one of the many, many, many, many, many, MANY files of this category, so was there a specific reason as to why you deleted it? ^(T|C) 16:32, 21 September 2018 (EDT)

Unused in the mainspace. --Steve (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2018 (EDT)

Building World

Since there doesn't seem to be any other "Building Worlds," would it not be far more efficient to just use the system name as an identifier, instead of appending the lengthy shared title to them? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Including the game is at least more descriptive. --Steve (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

And with that, we're back to the point of "Ghost (Donkey Kong 64 Kremling enemy)." It's just.....too descriptive to be an efficient identifier. (Also, ah, I apologize for unintentionally exacerbating the Peachette meme through writing the page, saw the tweet....) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:29, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Inconsistency?

Hi, would you mind explaining why you moved Building World (Mario's Early Years! Fun with Letters for Super Nintendo Entertaiment System) to Building World (Mario's Early Years! Fun with Letters for SNES)? Not that I necessarily disagree with your action (in fact, I understand trying to make the title more concise), but many Mario & Sonic event articles requiring game and system identifiers use the full name for the system Beach Volleyball (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for Nintendo 3DS) rather than an abbreviation. Just saying. ^(T|C) 15:22, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Well, why did you use PC instead of personal computer? --Steve (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

I guess maybe because "PC" isn't something released by Nintendo, but if you insist, what should I use instead? Maybe "MS-DOS", since it's a personal computer itself? ^(T|C) 15:38, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

I think you can leave them both just as they are. --Steve (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Okay, I guess. ^(T|C) 15:41, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Hope everyone is happy. --Steve (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Sure. One more thing: should this decision be officially established in the naming policy so as to prevent any further confusion? ^(T|C) 15:51, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

PorpleBot

I see that your bot isn't active as it was formely. How do bots work? -- FanOfYoshi 02:33, 28 September 2018 (EDT)

It's only active when I run it to perform a specific task. --Steve (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2018 (EDT)

Image transparency policy

According to Doc von Schmeltwick, I unjustifiably reverted unofficial transparency on File:GiantTurnip CTTT.png. I read the policy just now and it reads:

JPG artwork with solid color, patterned, or scenery backgrounds should also not be converted for the sake of replacing them with transparent backgrounds, as this can lead to leftover off-color edge pixels as a result of bad transparency, which are easily visible when viewed on a different color background. Such images should just be uploaded as they are without any modifications to the backgrounds whatsoever.

Isn't this meant to also apply to nearly every other type of artwork (not just JPG) as per this proposal? ^(T|C) 02:58, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

I didn't say it was "unjust," I said the reasons given were the wrong ones. Mister Wu crops .pngs from books to-the-line rather often, and I do it occasionally too, and know whatMedia:NESOTG Monty Mole.png I'm doingMedia:Bill Blaster Perfect.png. Saying "this has added transparency" as a reason to revert isn't a good one, as it can be done effectively; saying "this has bad transparency," however, is a good reason. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:04, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

That applies to JPG's, as written. Unofficial transparency from PNG's is fine as long as they don't have off-color edge pixels. The turnip had white fuzzy edges, so the revert was correct. --Steve (talk) 16:48, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

Soarin' Stu

Hi, is there any reason why you decided to restore the Soarin' Stu page? Just curious. ^(T|C) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

I'm more curious why you marked it for deletion. Are conjectural name redirects against policy? Does MarioWiki:Redirects say that? --Steve (talk) 17:31, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

If you go to the Italian page and click the English link, it took you nowhere without the redirect. Unless you plan to update every website on the Internet that links to us, redirects are very useful. --Steve (talk) 17:44, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Yes, conjectural name redirects aren't necessarily not allowed (I guess this is what you mean by saying that), but there is overwhelming consensus to delete conjecturally-named redirects, and I think the barrage of links speaks for itself. ^(T|C) 18:06, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Never mind about the Soarin' Stu page itself, it was confirmed official just now. ^(T|C) 18:09, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Hopefully the 1-year thing I added to MarioWiki:Redirects at least helps in the cases where page moves are destroying links from external websites. Redirects are cool! --Steve (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Redirects

According to MarioWiki:Redirects:

If a mainspace article has existed for over a year and is moved for any reason, and unless a new page is created using the old title, then the old page title should remain as a redirect to the new title and protected. This helps preserve links to the wiki from external websites. Internal links to the article should be updated to the new title, as normal.

While I get the part about linking from external websites, I don't see why this should be required in every single case (not counting the discussion above). What if the page move turned out to be because the old title happened to be super inaccurate (like Stone Head) or a bit too silly (like Brick Monster)? What I'm saying is, should I draft a proposal to help everyone better understand what gets protected and what doesn't? ^(T|C) 10:46, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

I'll get rid of that if you follow this and stop tagging redirects for deletion. --Steve (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

Okay, I guess. ^(T|C) 14:42, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

This is just low.

A translator of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia has freely admitted that he lifted names directly from the Wiki for the English translation of the book, like it was nothing. Shouldn't the wiki be getting some sort of compensation for an act of blatant plagiarism? Or is it just not worth fighting Dark Horse over? Because they clearly see nothing wrong with it.
Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 12:58, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

I even went ahead and added it to the List of Mario-related controversies page, since Nintendo Life actually has an article on it. ^(T|C) 13:06, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

I did a 10-second Google search some research on the subject and it looks like we cannot get any compensation, as the conjectural names were not copyrighted. Even if they were, we'd have to actually sue Dark Horse/Nintendo. Looks like all we can do is steam about the whole thing. Davisson's attitude really burns me up. >:( As the Nintendo Life article said, Dark Horse by name, Dark Horse by nature.

Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 14:03, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, you're not alone. ^(T|C) 14:26, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

Recovering certain lost data

Hi, so about a month and a half ago, I was told by Mario jc that Talk:Tinga and Inga can't be restored by normal means because the database was cleared in mid-April 2012, which I assume is because of the SONIC ROCKS/SMOOOOOKE vandal and sockpuppeteer (yeah, I could see him from the 500 setting on the rename log). Do you happen to have a backup copy of the database before that time period, as there are two things from then that would be great if they were restored: Talk:Tinga and Inga, since a TPP is on said talk page and File:20070905112740834.jpg, since it's used on the MarioWiki:BJAODN/Goomba page. Thanks! ^(T|C) 21:59, 14 November 2018 (EST)

I don't have it, sorry. --Steve (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Okay, thanks very much. ^(T|C) 09:52, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Recent changes page

Hi, I don't know if you have any control over how the "recent changes" page works or if it can't be changed beyond MediaWiki's default rules, but it it's the former, I was wondering if a checkbox for not showing deletion log items could be implemented? They really pile up when lots of file moves and replacements occur (which has been happening recently). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2018 (EST)

The best thing you could do is enable "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" in your preferences (Recent changes section) and all the log items will be collapsed. --Steve (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I'll try to keep that in mind :) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Media Length

I'm curious, does the new length restriction apply to completely unused music tracks that are less likely to have had copyrights filed for them? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Yeah --Steve (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2018 (EST)

Levelbox

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of {{level to {{levelbox? The template was moved a while ago, so I'm surprised that the transclusions still haven't been completely cleaned up yet. ^(T|C) 08:19, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Yet another bot request

• [[Super Mario (series)|''Super Mario'' series]] --> ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' series
• [[Mario Party (series)|''Mario Party'' series]] --> ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' series
• [[Mario Kart (series)|''Mario Kart'' series]] --> ''[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]'' series
• [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]] --> ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' series

RickTommy (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2018 (EST)

Bot work (for the infinitieth time)

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of [[Volcanic Debris]] to [[Volcanic debris]]? Thanks! ^(T|C) 00:41, 18 December 2018 (EST)

Volcanic debris

Don't mean to bug you, but I am honestly curious, what was actually changed in this edit, and how did it save three units of memory? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:20, 18 December 2018 (EST)

There was an invisible formatting character between the s and ]. --Steve (talk) 16:04, 18 December 2018 (EST)

Warning downgrade

This is something I've been considering for over a year now. There are two archived appeals I've seen where the warning is instead downgraded into something lower, even though it says that they were "overturned". My thought is, instead of misleading users, why not use a special outcome like the example I provided down below:

warning downgraded
The behavior is unacceptable in any circumstance, but a Warning was too harsh for the situation, and it has instead been downgraded to a Reminder.

I just want to know if you approve of this. Any thoughts so far? ^(T|C) 10:18, 24 December 2018 (EST)

Main page template

Hello, I am planning to make a proposal on adding a Main page New Pages template. The template wold be called New Pages (The template is listed below)

<noinclude>[[Category:Main Page templates]]</noinclude>

File:Safe Buster Console.jpg

• Safe Buster (pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
• Bomb Sweeper is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on June 15, 1987, and is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a policeman and a character named John Solver attempt to stop a character named Dynamite Jack, who plants bombs underground town. Read more...
• The Sundream Stone is a sentient stone tablet that is set to appear in Yoshi's Crafted World. The Sundream Stone contains five gems that are yellow, green, magenta, orange and blue which surround a sentient stone resembling a sun. Read more...
• 100m Freestyle is an Aquatics Event that appears in the Nintendo DS version of Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. The aim of the event is to swim the 100 metres in the fastest time, with the event taking place in the National Aquatics Center. Both the starting world and Olympic records for this event are 47.84. Read more...

This template would be a auto-comfimed only regularly updated template like the {{News}} template where, whenever a new page is published, a brief summery with a link to the article will be added as the top bullet, as shown above. The rules of this template would be the following:

• When a new page is published, a brief 1-3 sentence paragraph summarizing the start of the page, preferably took directly from the start of the page. The page's main image will be pictured in a maximum 200px image.
• If the latest page does not have an image at the time of release, then the main image of the newest page with an image will be used instead.
• If an article is deemed too short or is badly written, then the article can be skipped.
• The template has four bullets, and whenever a new page is published the article is mention on the first bullet on the top of the template, with the oldest page's bullet point being removed.
• Every paragraph should end with the code: '''[[pagename|Read more...]]'''.
• The page's name should be linked and bolded.

That is all of the template! As for placement, I would suggest that it should be located under the DidYouKnow template. Do you approve of this, and what do you think of its so far? Doomhiker (talk) 18:52, 9 January 2019 (EST)

Don't have a lot of room there, so it could only feature one article at a time with image (two if no image). I actually would like to put something in that space because on wider monitors a big blank spot is created under DYK. --Steve (talk) 01:34, 10 January 2019 (EST)

As that is the case, I would prefer to have two bullets with no image, although I will add an option for one bullet with an image in the proposal. Would I be allowed to make and start the proposal? (Model A and B are listed below)

Model A:

File:Safe Buster Console.jpg

Safe Buster (pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...

Model B:

• Safe Buster (pictured) is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on January 6, 1988. It is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a character named the Wily Bomber is dropping bombs onto a safe in a bank, and the player as the bank guard must catch them in a container. Read more...
• Bomb Sweeper is a dual-screen Game & Watch game that was originally released on June 15, 1987, and is featured as an unlockable minigame in Game & Watch Gallery 4. In the game, a policeman and a character named John Solver attempt to stop a character named Dynamite Jack, who plants bombs underground town. Read more...

Thanks for the reply! Doomhiker (talk) 6:30, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Sure. For the single option, you wouldn't need a bullet (it'd be analogous to the FA). --Steve (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Bot work (for the nth time)

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of [[Category:Wallpaper]] to [[Category:Wallpapers]]? Thanks! ^(T|C) 00:17, 14 January 2019 (EST)

I already said the bot work isn't needed, at least as far as the wallpaper template is concerned. Anywhere else should be a simple fix. 00:18, 14 January 2019 (EST)

Well, never mind then! ^(T|C) 00:22, 14 January 2019 (EST)

Ok, for real this time. Would you mind running the bot to change every instance of [[Captain Goomba (Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser)| and [[Captain Shy Guy (Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser)| to [[Captain Goomba (Mario & Luigi series)| and [[Captain Shy Guy (Mario & Luigi series)|, respectively? Thanks! ^(T|C) 18:13, 16 January 2019 (EST)

Auto-undo bots

I know that Wikipedia has bots that automatically undo certain edits, but may be unreliable if give too wide parameters. I was wondering if the wiki could use something like that for persistent spammers with specific calling cards. For instance, one bizarre repeat offender repeatedly makes reference to some probably-fictional individual named "[removed]" and I was wondering if specific edit contents could be used as a way of having a bot automatically undo an edit. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2019 (EST)

The phrase can be blocked from page saves. Basically up to the admins if they want me to implement it. --Steve (talk) 00:36, 24 January 2019 (EST)

Revisiting identifiers

As I brought up here, what should be the ultimate determination of what an identifier should be should not be consistency across the wiki, but the most distinct viable traits that can be distinguished from each other on a search bar scroll result list. Looking back to the Jerry example, it's far more likely people will remember Luigi's partner for being a Bob-omb than for being in the specific game with a crapton of named NPCs he was from. Therefore, I move that the "game identifier first"-type rule be nixed, please consider. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:59, 24 January 2019 (EST)

I'd still advise against this myself and stand by the reasons I presented to you above. And if you're wondering, Jerry (Bob-omb) still redirects to Jerry (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door), so that should solve the problem of actually searching for the pages. ^(T|C) 07:52, 24 January 2019 (EST)

Also, the discussion that Doc brought up, I believe, already qualifies for the exception we previously applied to Slim (Flopside) and Slim (Pixl). ^(T|C) 07:56, 24 January 2019 (EST)

Redirects don't show up in the search bar drop-down list, though. Which was a main part of my point. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2019 (EST)

Uh...so what? That doesn't stop anyone from finding the correct page through the search function. I searched "jerry bob-omb" and the search function still gave me the existing redirect. ^(T|C) 10:54, 27 January 2019 (EST)

Edit summaries

Recently, I've found that the length for edit summaries has been drastically shortened, to the point that I needed to make superfluous edits to fully apologize for accidentally hitting the "save changes" button instead of the "show preview" button. Why is that? I asked Mario jc, and he said that you'd likely know. (Also, for the record, I'm not liking the bold blue text on the current page for the templates, as it could be confusing in cases where there already is bolding....but that's just me.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2019 (EST)

Guess it's the new default. Don't know of a setting to change it. What bold blue text? --Steve (talk) 22:26, 26 January 2019 (EST)

Go to any page with a nav template on it, and look at the link to said page on the template. Instead of being black, it's the same blue as the rest. Recent mediawiki update? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2019 (EST)

Hide redirects option on all pages special page

Can you the hide redirects option back to that page please? Thank You. Wariopig (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2019 (EST) Wariopig

Unfortunately it's been removed from miser mode, which we've always used to keep the site more stable. Kind of a bad update in terms of features! --Steve (talk) 01:46, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Deleting by Overwriting

Hey Porplemontage! I saw Paper Jorge (talk) deleting pages by overwriting while he's not ranked, and i considered asking. How do you do that? -- FanOfYoshi 04:30, 4 February 2019 (EST)

You can move pages over redirects if the only history is of the redirect. Otherwise, the wiki will say you can't do that. 11:15, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Recent Changes problem

Hi, just letting you know that your changes to the recent changes page accidentally caused the "auto-refresh" checkbox to be stuck behind the "To be deleted" link. Just thought I'd let you know. ^(T|C) 09:14, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Do a hard refresh --Steve (talk) 09:15, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Update regarding NavTemplates

You probably know this, but whatever update just happened seems to have caused all text on navigation templates to be shoved to the right in an odd-looking manner, any idea how this can be fixed? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:06, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Do a hard refresh --Steve (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Weird, I had hit crtl+f5 before I told you that, and nothing happened then... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:32, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Self-category

Why would this category categorize itself? No hard feelings, but I think it's just a counter-intuitive way of emptying Special:UncategorizedCategories. ^(T|C) 18:19, 11 February 2019 (EST)

Internal filename template question

Hey, i was wondering. I made a proposal on MarioWiki:Naming on how to handle internal filenames, and Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) came up with template ideas. Would you approve the use of a template when an article is named after its internal filename? I can show you both of them he came up with. He said that we'd add it only if either the staff approves it, or if my proposal passes. Which one should we use?

The title of this article is official, but it comes from an internal file name. As such, it potentially reflects an early point in development that may not be the intended name by the final product, may be a developer nickname not intended to be officially used, and may not be in English. If an official name from an English source is found, the article should be moved to its appropriate title.

<includeonly>[[Category:Articles with titles from internal file names]]</includeonly>

Or should it be setted up like this:

The title of this article is official, but it comes from a pre-release source or internal data. As such, it potentially reflects an early point in development or developer nickname that may not be the intended name by the final product, and may not be in English. If an official name from a post-release acceptable English source is found, the article should be moved to its appropriate title.

<includeonly>[[Category:Articles with titles from pre-release sources]]</includeonly>

Thanks for the soon response, but quick, as you can only edit or cancel proposals 6 days after initiating them! ;) -- FanOfYoshi 02:44, 22 February 2019 (EST)

If the proposal passes, I would say just do internal data. Pre-release source is very vague - that would include any press before the game comes out, unless you intend to include that with this. --Steve (talk) 09:11, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Though, Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) told me no matter if the staff approved it or the proposal passed. Can i cancel the proposal and apply it immediately? -- FanOfYoshi 09:13, 22 February 2019 (EST)

I like development source now. I don't think you should cancel the proposal. --Steve (talk) 09:35, 22 February 2019 (EST)

That was the point with the pre-release thing (like if "Pucka Jr." was the only name given to Fangfish by the time of release despite no longer being applicable role-wise), though those situations would probably be fairly rare. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Possible size issue

Don't know if you're still working on css or not, but thought I'd let you know I think this edit caused some things to be awkwardly adjusted. I fixed a image size on a copyright template, but Results May Vary also noticed infoboxes like on Lakeside Limbo are rather squished. 23:45, March 12, 2019 (EDT)

Oh thanks I meant to undo that --Steve (talk) 23:51, March 12, 2019 (EDT)

Fruits

What do you think of this scenario? "Fruit" is the most recent name for Berry, but a Fruit article already exists. I already contacted Mario jc about this rather unusual scenario, but he didn't seem to know what to do to fix it. What should I do? ^(T|C) 23:21, March 13, 2019 (EDT)

I would get rid of the Fruit article or move Berry to Yoshi Fruit. --Steve (talk) 17:11, March 14, 2019 (EDT)

Joe

Hi, I'm trying to enforce a proposal by fixing links on navtemplates, but I'm technically prevented from doing so due to something in the spam blacklist ("SK8"). That being said, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of "[[Manager Joe]]" to "[[Joe]]" and "[[Manager Joe|" to "[[Joe|"? Thanks! ^(T|C) 23:08, March 18, 2019 (EDT)

What page are you being prevented from saving? --Steve (talk) 23:45, March 18, 2019 (EDT)

The navigation templates (Template:WWIMM, Template:WarioWare: Twisted!, Template:WarioWare: Touched!, Template:WWSM, Template:Game & Wario, Template:WWG). ^(T|C) 23:53, March 18, 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for fixing that! ^(T|C) 09:47, March 19, 2019 (EDT)

Template:SMBS

Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of {{SMB Special}} to {{SMBS}}? Thanks! ^(T|C) 18:32, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Appropriate usage of the "(boss)" identifier

Hi, I have another question regarding identifiers. This time, however, it may be a tad more difficult: When would the "(boss)" identifier be appropriate to use? The reason I ask this is because characters such as Boomer from Super Mario RPG (stemming off of this discussion) and Phantom from Mario + Rabbids appear to have bigger roles than just their boss fight (the latter even sings a song for Mario and company). ^(T|C) 12:43, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Imagine I said this: The boss identifier is used when a character has a boss battle in a game and doesn't appear outside that game. Would that break a lot of things? --Steve (talk) 13:26, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not entirely sure, actually. I'm a bit more concerned about the Boomer case, since it overlaps with this discussion and what you said about using species identifiers (there are two other characters named Boomer whose article titles violate the current naming policy, though the page whose subject is the other Boomer character seems to get in the way of this). ^(T|C) 13:53, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Based on the previous discussion (and policy change) you can move all the Boomers to game identifiers since they are characters. Do you like that? --Steve (talk) 14:18, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Yep. I guess we can deal with the Phantom case once another character known as "Phantom" makes their debut. ^(T|C) 15:44, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you

Thank you for making this awsome wiki! Porplemontage (I hope I got that right) [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 20:36, April 11, 2019 (EDT)

It's spelled "Porplemontage". TheDarkStar 20:37, April 11, 2019 (EDT)

Anyway thanks! [-]€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 20:41, April 11, 2019 (EDT)

Porplebot

It was agreed upon to manually remove the notes variable so notes-exclusive information could be moved and thus not lost. Information could have been lost due to the bot doing this, such as with Toxic Tower. Perhaps you could revert the bot's edits? Doomhiker (talk) 16:23, April 15, 2019 (EDT)