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So I've been thinking perhaps it'd be best to merge the SMG blue Lava Bubble to the normal Lava Bubble and treat it as an abnormal design that would then coexist with the normal design (the same should probably be done for Zigzag Lava Bubble). The reason is since the names provided in official materials state it to just be Lava Bubble, while "Fire Bubble" is probably a case like "Yōgan Bubble" where they just wanted a quick identifier to differentiate this entity normally called "Bubble" from something else (in this case, normal bubbles like the item-container/breathable/rideable ones). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:49, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
So I've been thinking perhaps it'd be best to merge the SMG blue Lava Bubble to the normal Lava Bubble and treat it as an abnormal design that would then coexist with the normal design (the same should probably be done for Zigzag Lava Bubble). The reason is since the names provided in official materials state it to just be Lava Bubble, while "Fire Bubble" is probably a case like "Yōgan Bubble" where they just wanted a quick identifier to differentiate this entity normally called "Bubble" from something else (in this case, normal bubbles like the item-container/breathable/rideable ones). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:49, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
==Rotating Lift==
Hey, I've added the source back in for the Rotating Lift in Super Mario World that's from the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. I do think that it's not a good source (hence why I added a "better source" tag next to it), but I'm not exactly sure how to go about mentioning it because that's the only source for the name we have. If we must not use it altogether, what alternatives we do have to acknowledge it? Make up a conjecture name for it? Leave it unnamed? {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 20:31, June 12, 2021 (EDT)

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Galaxy and names

Hey, I'm sorry. The comments I made on Super Mario Galaxy's page were rude and potentially provocative. That was not intentional, and I apologize.

To clarify my position, I do not think internal file designations should be recognized as true names. They serve utilitarian purposes for the developers and were likely created before enemy designs were even finalized. Whether they are in plain English is less important than the fact that they are not legitimately published names. It's fine if there is literally no other names to reference, but I think it would be more accurate to prioritize Romanized Japanese names over internal file designations. For example, I think it would be more accurate to refer to the small skeletal sharks in Galaxy as "Kobone" in place of "Skeletal Fish Guard". The first is the romanization of a legitimate name for the enemy. The second is not a name at all. But that's just my opinion. - Nintendo101 (talk) 08:17, February 24, 2021 (EST)

More filename requests

Hi, I have a few more filename requests for you, this time for objects primarily from Yoshi's Woolly World:

  • The bead jars that, when hit repeatedly, give Yoshi many beads. They always release a Stamp Patch whenever they are hit for the final time.
  • The accordion walls. More details on the article in question, though it's also worth noting that they return in Crafted World.
  • The cannon-like bobbins that launch Yoshi a fixed distance (see the giant Baby Bowser boss fight as an example). While there ARE "World Bobbins" on the world map that technically function the same way, as described on page 11 of the game's digital manual, that name feels a bit too specific.

Thanks in advance! Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 18:54, March 8, 2021 (EST)

I do not believe so. I don't recall it being given an official name on the English website either. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 09:28, May 9, 2021 (EDT)

Silver Chomp (and etc)

Hi, I'm curious about Silver Chomp's JP name due to this edit. The one it was changed to was from a mission title, is the former one from a guide? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:13, March 20, 2021 (EDT)

Related, what do English guides say about Fiery Dino Piranha? I'm just curious if the mission title isn't more like "fiery Dino Piranha" and this is a "golden Chomp" situation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:18, May 13, 2021 (EDT)

DKTF Shogakukan guide

How did you get your hands on it, out of curiosity? It's such an elusive piece of media that I've only seen it being sold second-hand on eBay. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 12:55, April 25, 2021 (EDT)

Same. I bought online in bulk along with several other hard-to-find things of interest (not all Mario-related), which saves some money over individual sales. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:12, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
Hey. I was wondering if you could find a proper name for the little owl enemies that Skowl employs in his battle in Mountaintop Tussle (the game’s second world). The Prima guide refers to them as Hootzes, though they have their own behaviour as well as a slightly distinct appearance. Would you mind checking the enemy list and the level’s walkthrough in the Japanese guide for this? Thank you. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:19, May 2, 2021 (EDT)
Thank you for your response; I’ll probably get around to creating new articles one of these days. In regard to feathered and unfeathered Stilts, the Returns Shogakukan guide seems to treat them as separate variations as per the Koopa Troopa / Paratroopa approach, where one is essentially an extra hit point of the other while both being encountered as enemies on their own. I’d support a split myself, honestly, and so I would for Skittlers, Tiki Torch, and the others you’ve mentioned since Frogoon and Hopgoon are already separate articles. In this case, though, would the American guide, which groups these minor variations under one name, be more of an authority than its Japanese counterpart, since the game was developed in the US? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:48, May 3, 2021 (EDT)

Re: "Gance"

There's one string like that in the Japanese version's global.txt file. I wonder if it still exists in the international versions, but you can try to search for it. If it doesn't exist in the international version's script and you think it's not a proper edit, then it's okay if you just simply delete the notes there.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by EC2-Towards (talk).

Paper Unbaba and friends

Hey, would you support the idea of a direct relation between Blargg and the Hooktail family due to the punning names (and considering the PM games usually tend to pun names off species) and Hooktail's own slight resemblance to the original Blargg, or would you consider that a fool's errand? Ffuts i-DC erucsbo looc emos derevocnu ev'I osla! Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:39, April 28, 2021 (EDT)

Another piece of this puzzle that had escaped my notice is Don Bongo, despite looking more like a Spike/Gabon, hrmmm... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:49, May 19, 2021 (EDT)

Egg

I think "Egg (Yoob)" would be more concise, being more descriptive and less lengthy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:57, May 2, 2021 (EDT)

RE:About bouncing Tucks

Feel free to start one, though it is confusing enough as it is already, so I'd prefer to keep it as is for now. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 14:47, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Ropes

Hi, would you mind looking at the New Super Mario Bros. 2 section of the Japanese Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia and find the names for "Hand-Over-Hand Rope", "Hanging Rope", and "Tightrope"? Thanks! Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 17:19, May 16, 2021 (EDT)

Ghost stream

Not sure if you saw my comment here, but it's pertinent. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:19, May 18, 2021 (EDT)

Re: Above and other things

I'd say source the guide for the Chomps then, will attempt Gobblegut, Hisstocrat, and possibly Dino Piranha merge proposal(s) when the time seems right. As for old cacmummy, I think given they gave Poison Pokey a different name for all languages instead of just the incredibly dodgy English localization, that it's more safe to consider them a functionally equivalent successor rather than the same thing (and honestly, given the "abandoned" theme of their locale in TTYD, "Pokey Mummy" could have still worked if they wanted to use it). Anyways, I think Pale Piranha and SPM Moon Cleft should be dealt with first before attempting any other PM enemy reclassifying. Any plans on moving forward with re-re-merging Pale Piranha any time quickly? If not, it's one of the next things on my list. Moon Cleft should definitely wait until after it. As for Black Shy Guy, part of me wants to move forward with phase 3 and attempt to have generic appearances like the baseball games and MK8 removed, and another part thinks that it'd be best to try and redo the previous one when the time is right with the question of "why is PM Anti Guy more different from CS Black Shy Guy than MTA black Shy Guy is from CS Black Shy Guy" that I regrettably forgot to bring up until the end of this last one. After all, it was merely a stalemate with a fairly even outcome, not a full loss with overwhelming opposition. (Maybe some day we can finally have "Chestnut King" merged to how it was clearly intended to "Luigi has a dramatic end fight against the previous game's tutorial boss.") On the subject of odd TTYD things, I did notice Dark Craw has an incredibly generic JP name that seems like it may be intended to umbrella over the so-called "Craws" in general, but is a bit conflicting with how there seems to be some implication that the NPC species may just be "Gus" like the character. Thoughts on that? Finally, on "Ghost Stream," I think simply adding it to Caged Ghost is perfectly fine then considering Jelly Ghost (in the same stages) had what amounts to a functional replacement to its role (even if it's really more similar to Stretch). On another note, I'm strongly considering reformatting Naval Piranha in the same manner as Dino Piranha (and on a note related to that, given Smilax's generic JP name, I'm wondering if any JP materials ever referred to "Naval Buds" through the same generic term, as I think they may be intended to be the same thing). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:46, May 25, 2021 (EDT)

I'd prefer a parent/derived for the Fuzzipokeys, myself, and I suppose Big Blooper needs imminent work too. Are you confident enough people would play ball in a new Metal Mario proposal? And do you have any thoughts for what to do going forward with Black Shy Guy? (Also I don't think I'd noticed the situation with Merlar and Merlumina until now.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:52, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
Oh, another thing. I'd like to see your thoughts on this and this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:53, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

Petit

I was thinking of "petit" as well but like "petite", it's not commonly used as a synonym for "small". Lucina costume pose in Super Mario Maker Mario JC 23:33, May 25, 2021 (EDT)

Fire Bubble: Resurgence

So I've been thinking perhaps it'd be best to merge the SMG blue Lava Bubble to the normal Lava Bubble and treat it as an abnormal design that would then coexist with the normal design (the same should probably be done for Zigzag Lava Bubble). The reason is since the names provided in official materials state it to just be Lava Bubble, while "Fire Bubble" is probably a case like "Yōgan Bubble" where they just wanted a quick identifier to differentiate this entity normally called "Bubble" from something else (in this case, normal bubbles like the item-container/breathable/rideable ones). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:49, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

Rotating Lift

Hey, I've added the source back in for the Rotating Lift in Super Mario World that's from the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. I do think that it's not a good source (hence why I added a "better source" tag next to it), but I'm not exactly sure how to go about mentioning it because that's the only source for the name we have. If we must not use it altogether, what alternatives we do have to acknowledge it? Make up a conjecture name for it? Leave it unnamed? BabyLuigiFire.png Ray Trace(T|C) 20:31, June 12, 2021 (EDT)