User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64

Welcome, Gamermakerguy!

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Nintendo Enthusiast

I would like to inform you that after talking to an admin she told me that Nintendo Enthusiast is not a credible source so i had to revert all of your edits relating to that source. Thank you for understanding Raven Effect (talk)

Sorry to bother you

Are you Gamermakerguy from MFGG? --NewSMBU (talk) 09:18, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeap that's right!

Hello

Hello! You Geoshi from deviantart? YoshiGo99

Yes the one and only!

Well it is me YG99. Well if you want to talk more you really should join the forums. Please do.YoshiGo99 19:17, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

go a head dude I am on it's Geoshi my username on the board buddy

Sent you a PM on there.YoshiGo99

I saw it and replyed

An Offer You Can't Refuse

Hey bro want to go smoke some joints behind the Marching Milde page out back? --IceShadow talk · edits) 23:04, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

what do you mean?

I didn't write any of that, someone hacked my account. Sorry for that. IceShadow talk · edits) 15:26, 10 August 2012 (EDT)

Rideable Yoshi

My copy of it is labeled the "Subscribers Only NSider Collector's Edition". I quickly took a couple of crappy photos from my phone (1, 2), but I can scan the full page if you want. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:31, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Sounds good. Yeah you scan it that would be really awesome. Good job getting the issue! Gamermakerguy

Done! I'll link to it in the article soon. Also, as a protip: when it comes to signatures, writing [[gamermakerguy]] isn't good. You're linking to a mainspace article and not your userpage, which is both against rules and would let anyone edit it. Following the signature guidelines is necessary, but in short, using four tildes in succession (~~~~) works fine. If you want a custom signature with colors and images and whatnot, check out Help:Signature for a good starting point. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:26, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

I am so super sorry I will go fix it. Thanks for the tip! I had trouble figuring it out now with those links. Gamermakerguy

It's all good! Also, if you want to indent your sentences (add those small spaces to the front of your sentences), you do so by adding a colon (:). The more colons, the more spaced out it becomes, though the rule of thumb is to add one more colon than the person before you. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:02, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Is this better? Keep letting me know and I will get better! Gamermakerguy

Yep, that's good, although since I used one colon at the front, you should then use two. You can see them when you edit the page. If you have any other concerns, I definitely recommend also reading through Help:Editing, which will help you with general format stuff like how to make lists or bold stuff, and Help:Preferences, which will show you how to tweak things if you're interested in that. If you want to seriously get into editing articles, then looking through the Manual of Style is highly recommended, just to let you understand some of the quirks that come with editing a wiki. Still, if you have any questions, you're more than welcome to ask them! Hello, I'm Time Turner. 00:33, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Once again thank you. I think the fixed the space up now. Gamermakerguy

Re:File:Mgmetalmario.png

Hi, can you please stop uploading duplicate revisions? It's cluttering up the file history to the point where admins had to delete redundant entries. If you uploaded a file and don't see any changes, try refreshing the page or clearing your browser's cache. Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:34, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

I am really sorry for that... i was surprised no one uploaded Metal Mario's colors with better HQ, So I had to do it pretty much, but besides that, I was trying to figure out how to make the new image the current one and all i got was a stretched version of the old images with with the same pixels I got and it did nothing i thought the revert would change it but I am actually surprised that it gave you guys so many images i never intend do such a thing then it may seem. It was really confusing to upload an image. What's a browser catche? Gamermakerguy

Yeah, what's going on is that your browser isn't refreshed to see the changes, it happens to all of us that upload new variations of images; hence why you should refresh the page to see changes you made to an existing image. Basically, that's what a browser cache kinda does, saving older revisions of stuff on the web, though I'm not entirely 100% sure on that either, I just know that clearing the cache will update image changes you made. Ray Trace^(T|C) 22:36, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

I cleared my cache so now it renders it correctly now instead of only showing the new file on the thumbnail. Thanks for helping! Gamermakerguy

Italics

Please remember to italicise all game titles mentioned by name, not just for the game title listed under the "References to other games" sections. Thanks. Mario JC 02:59, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

Please stop forgetting to italicize game titles on the Super Mario Wiki. This isn't a warning, and it's possible that you made a mistake by accident or without realizing it; this is simply a reminder for your information. If the action continues, then a warning will be issued. Thanks for reading and keep contributing. If you feel this reminder was undeserved, you may appeal it.

Please remember this, as you forgot italics in your recent edit to the Super Mario Odyssey page. --TheFlameChomp (talk) 14:10, 21 October 2017 (EDT)

Edit warring

This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior (participating in an edit war) on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.

I'll give this same message to SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) as well, but please do not edit war and converse with the edit summaries. If there is an issue, talk to the other user on their talk page. 14:40, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Alright I will consult a staff next time that happens. I was only trying to do the right thing since I usually find proper resources. I will admit it was getting out of hand and it was a bit difficult to avoid because I didn't think he would keep going on that. Gamermakerguy

I kept going because I have provided multiple sources now and you guys still keep changing it to an incorrect color. All sources show brown, not orange. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

I am not going to keep this argument any longer now. You don't even have proper proof that it's brown when Mario collects it. The checkpoint flags even shows it orange since all Checkpoints flags are the same color as the Power Moons in that Kingdom. Seriously enough already Gamermakerguy

September 18, 2017. Right around the time of the Direct, showing a brown color. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

It looks more light orange than brown. it's just the gradient darkness that is making it browner. The footage also looks like it was being played in the early build because it's a reuploaded from another video and the lighting is different from the current build we are seeing now. The flagpole even shows it's orange again because of it being the same color as Power Moons in the kingdom they are found in October 13, 2017. Gamermakerguy

Footage from E3 shows orange flag poles and Brown moons, so if there was a change, we don't know when it happened. We are two weeks away from the game. Since clearly there is not a consensus here, and we have conflicting material, I vote we just return it to the "bronze" color it has been for months, or at least find a neutral color to use. You don't think they look brown, I don't think they look orange, we are at an impasse. What about Mahogany? Mahogany is a shade of both orange and brown and most people know what it means. Burnt sienna and rust colors are a good mix as well. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 15:58, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Mahogany makes a ton of sense to be honest with you. I can certainly vote this one more likely. Want me to include that color to end it actually well? Gamermakerguy

I'm good with it if you are. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Um, mahogany is a deep reddish-brown. Just go with Cream. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Mahogany wood is different in color to the actual color of mahogany, which is a reddish-orangish-brown. Cream is yellowish-white. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 16:35, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

And that moon is orangish white with a tinge of light brown. I'm just going with what my colored pencil has been telling me for years. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

The moons look lighter before you obtain them. For instance, look at this video of the Seaside Kingdom. The moon looks almost pink before obtaining it. As soon as Mario gets it it "turns" purple. --SinnohMasterGalaxy (talk) 00:31, 14 October 2017 (EDT)

Not the best resources but MS Paint says in the light parts that it's light orange when using the eye drop tool once it's collected. The hue in my RGB Editor shows it being 20 which is in the orange part meaning it's brighter. But looking at it again the icons on the HUD shows it being orange as well. I may as well pick Mahogany for the color since the color of the moon itself seems combined to those two colors. Gamermakerguy

It's been a while, so remember that no edit warring warning still applies. If something you added was removed, don't just add it back without talking to the reverter and also have more than just "I do research on them".
The King Boo trivia you are adding about the Pink Boos with crowns in Mario Party 7 I think is fine, though. 20:13, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

Even if I try to talk to some people it will be hard to communicate with some users to agree without knowing anything about it, especially with confusing subjective and preferences they have, even if they don't own the game or not, I am not saying they are stupid just because I said "I do my research", that wasn't my intention at all, I am trying my best to contribute to this site to help fix a few issues here, along with adding obscure details and sometimes corrections that not many people add. But in the end all I get is blamed on for the wrong things they don't like me adding just because I am simply helping, I try to be nice but instead I get bashed thinking they are right or if I am wrong for putting in details, it's really this difficult and unfair to put up with it. I'm not really a mean person then it appears. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 20:30, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

I know it can be difficult sometimes to convey what you mean properly (as someone with autism, that is very difficult for me), but as long as you handle things professionally, it will be fine. The more experienced users will usually handle things professionally as well, regardless if you do or not. Regardless, don't try to communicate through edit summaries, the page content should not be constantly changing. 21:18, October 24, 2019 (EDT)

Oh you have autisum? I can admit I have it too, nice to see we feel the same about it. Alright I will try professionally and and talk to them from now on if it doesn't go too well and if it's actually necessary --Gamermakerguy (talk) 21:27, October 24, 2019 (EDT).

NSMBW Beta

The picture of the red Toad in a Bubble does exist; I remember seeing it here on the wiki. Put that back. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:09, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

[1] This? In the gallery? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:11, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

Are you sure he miscolored it or was just an image he drew like how do we know it's part of the beta? Gamermakerguy

I never said either. All I know is it's clearly a red Toad that existed in plain sight in the gallery. Next time there's no proof, add a {{ref needed}} and don't immediately delete, as that is destructive and harder to undo. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

RE:Argument issues

I'll just copy/paste what I said on Burb (talk)'s page so you have a copy of it:

• For the Cowboy outfit, the two look completely different. In Mario Party 2, it's just a different hat, scarf, and belt over Mario's overalls, whereas Odyssey gives him a completely different look with the only thing really remaining being the scarf. There's nothing concrete here.
• For the Spacesuit, again, the two look completely different. In Super Mario Land 2, the suit is as bland as it could be, with Odyssey adding a yellow visor and other decals. Again, nothing concrete here.
• For the Pirate Suit... I don't know where the connections to Mario Party 2 are other than "It's a pirate suit." Simple generic pirate suit, nothing more.
• For the Invincibility Hat, other than turning invisible, there's nothing that solidifies a connection to Super Mario 64. It's name is different for one, but if it actually changed Mario's model like the Metal Cap, then it would be something. But why would they need to, he's invisible.
• Only Tuxedo I'm finding is the Black Suit, so I hope that's the right one. If it is, there's no parallels to All-Stars.

I hope this third opinion helps (and that I covered everything). It is possible that Nintendo updated the suits, since it's been a long time since Mario Land 2 and Mario Party 2, but at the moment, there's nothing solidifying those claims. We can make a note that Mario has worn a similar suit before, but until there's official statement saying otherwise, we can't be certain that claiming these as direct references are true. 20:47, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Would you like me to not edit them back to what I put until it's confirmed to be official? Or just edit saying it resembles or something? Gamermakerguy

Let's wait for Burb to say something and come to an agreement then. 23:17, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Sorry for the late response, but I don't think they should be added to the page at all unless there's official word from Nintendo that those costumes were meant to be references. Thematic similarities are simply not enough when the costumes that are obviously references are more or less completely accurate with little-to-no changes. Even putting in a little footnote saying "Mario also wore a Pirate Outfit in Mario Party 2" is pointless and feels like padding, as does "Mario also wore a yellow neckerchief in a Cowboy outfit in Mario Party 2 but everything else was completely different". There's enough classic costumes that are clear references already, we don't need to add straw-grasping connection for all of them. Burb

Project64

Project64 v1.6 is suuuuuuuper old and I don't recommend that. Project64 v2.3 is the latest version and has a ton of fixes. See my WIP for more information. I even recommend non-pack-in graphics plug-ins. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 00:56, 17 November 2017 (EST)

I appreciate the feedback but I am not going to re-upload those Mario Tennis character screenshots again, because they were already hard work to do as it is. I am not going to re-upload them just because something isn't being displayed right, but next time I upload a brand new image i will use that, Isn't 2.3 unofficial? The characters are fine and i only wanted to upload the characters and there palettes since no one would screenshot them. I use 1.6 a lot because most ROMs and Hacks are compatible on there.

Gamermakerguy.

No, v2.3 is official. Wikipedia wouldn't list it otherwise. Pre-2010, the dev team teased v1.7, but behind a donation paywall. Post-2010, they decided to drop donations to play the latest Project64 release, by releasing 2.0 free for everyone, probably due to the controversy of slow development of testing v1.7. Many people considered v1.7 unstable compared to v1.6 despite the fixes the newer version introduced. However, Project64 is still considered the best N64 emulator, but is very behind and not where people expected N64 emulation to be. Third parties took it upon themselves to improve the audio, graphics, RSP, and input plug-ins, such as Glide64, GlideN64, and angrylion. There is even debate Project64 dropping Jabo's plug-ins because the third party plug-ins fair much better and are more feature complete. Also, the official site links it. There is even a GitHub repository that has code updates since January 2017, but you have to compile it yourself. The latest Project64 release has 64DD support. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) ^{(Stats - Contribs)} 03:33, 18 November 2017 (EST)

Old revision

Please be careful of what you did here - you seem to have made an edit on an old revision of the article, undoing every edit made after it, include the official exact release dates for the Nintendo 3DS version of the game. Make sure you're editing the current version of the article next time (without the "out-of-date revision" warning at the top). Just FYI. Mario JC 23:04, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

My bad for messing that up, I will make sure it won't happen again. Gamermakerguy.

Image categories

After removing {{uncategorized}} when uploading, the correct way to add the image category link is with square brackets ([[Category:New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe Images]]), not curly brackets, as that transcludes the category page onto the file page instead. Mario JC 22:08, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for giving me the tip now I will remember it better, I'm trying very hard to get used to it. Gamermakerguy.

Mario Bros

What was with that comment about "linking?" GBA games are available on the Wii U virtual console. Here are the sprites and their palettes. They don't need sourced. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:27, 20 September 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I was just trying to help keep this wiki accurate, that's all. Most people tend to make fan fiction info and they don't tend to be edited out. Gamermakerguy.

What do you mean by "most people?" That rarely ever happens. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:13, 20 September 2018 (EDT)

Like there is false, misleading and other made up information and sometimes they don't get fixed. I've noticed, even if it seems accurate or not. One time on the New Super Mario Bros. U page they made up some Silver Baby Yoshi that was able to dig up dirt which even they had no source. There were some other ones but I forgot about them. It's hard to believe but I would never make up something like that. That is why I'm trying to make it help. So sorry it was miscommunication. Gamermakerguy.

Undoing edits without a good explanation for them

This is a warning to stop your inappropriate behavior on the Super Mario Wiki. Please adhere to the rules or you will be blocked from editing this site. If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.

Never revert someone else's edits without a good explanation. This counts for mine too, particularly on the New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe page. Keep this up and you could be in big trouble. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 10:06, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Um wow, this surprised me when I just woke up. I didn't even know you would get this annoyed at that as I finally read you're talking page of what you really hate and just started to know so0me things about you, I actually didn't even know you would get annoyed, so I'm very sorry to hear this from you. I was trying to do my job at helping with the page neither was I trying to start a war with you. though, I'm afraid that I was right about Toadette having a timer though and it shows even better in the video. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvzMKLmoxZk Gamermakerguy.

I'd suggest making an appeal, as I'm pretty sure that isn't a warnable offense, as it wasn't an edit war. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:50, 21 December 2018 (EST)

Uploading Image Tip

Hello there... Thanks for uploading HQ versions of images for NSMBU Deluxe. However, for the future make sure you crop our unnecessary blank space surrounding the images. I went ahead and did that but this is a heads up for future reference. Thanks!

User:Sdman213 17:37, 10 January 2019 (EST)

I plan to upload some more and oh cropping had to be done? Oh my bad I can do that and it can be any size as long as the gaps in the images are lowered? Expect some more today I always make sure if there is some shading difference between the original artwork and new ones. User:Gamermakerguy

Just look at my reuploads for reference. How you've done them made them unnecessarily large files. It's a simple fix so no harm done.

User:Sdman213

Sentence structure

On the NSMBUD page, you seem to keep structuring your sentences like this, which is incorrect:

In New Super Mario Bros. U. Toadette was not playable.

You're writing a single sentence as two. When written this way, "In New Super Mario Bros. U." is one separate sentence, which makes no sense. They should be joined with a comma, not a period/full stop. Something to keep in mind. Mario JC 01:21, 19 January 2019 (EST)

I apologize for messing up with my sentences on some of the edits I make. I find it confusing sometimes whether it's one or two sentences the way it's worded I will try harder on my next edits. Thanks, I will use your advice Gamermakerguy (talk)

You're still kind of struggling with this. "While no actual Bull's-Eye Banzais appear in Mario Kart Tour." is not one sentence, because it's dependent on the info that follows it ("...the game introduces a red variant to the Bullet Blaster also named the Bull's-Eye Banzai.") If you wrote just that first "sentence" on its own, it wouldn't make any sense because it's not joined to anything. You'd need to connect them with a comma. Mario JC 22:01, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Your sentence structure still needs some work. Please read through this again. These should not be single sentences:

• "Three years after Shigeru Miyamoto's interview." What happened after the interview? Whatever happened needs to follow with a comma. If you say this by itself, this doesn't provide any information.
• "Rather than and simultaneously from the original Wii release." The "rather" doesn't refer to anything. The thing that was done "rather" than this needs to be connected with a comma.
• "In Wario's Woods for the SNES." Same as the first one. The sentence alone doesn't explain what happens in the game.

I'm sorry if this might be bothersome but please don't shrug this off. I'm trying to help you because you keep making the same mistake that I explained to you, and since you're going to be editing a lot on the wiki, this is something as an editor that you need to know. Don't make phrases beginning with "After...", "If...", "When...", "While..." etc. a separate sentence; you need to join them with a comma. I strongly suggest taking the time to Google and read up on dependent clauses, specifically adverbial clauses. Mario JC 06:55, September 19, 2020 (EDT)

Hey I was away so I was never trying to shrug it off and neither am I am trying to ignore you even if it seems unbelievable. But I guess it's time I told the truth already. I...have a learning disability and I have a lot of trouble forgetting things (due to poor memory, which I realize) even after I just learned it a lot even if I did my research and even as I talk verbally or non-verbally in a conversation with someone other than a simple hi or hey. I never know how to start a proper sentence and I hesitate sometimes if this is right or not. I'm not trying to troll you on this at all and I sometimes hate my flaws a lot and want to improve but all I do is mess up too much. Maybe I was wrong with myself trying to help and I was not cut out for it after all. I'm sorry for you wasting your time for dealing with me for every edit I make --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 19:33, September 19, 2020 (EDT)

I'm letting you know because you can fix this. It's the same structure as "Due to a glitch in the emulator, ..." which you wrote correctly with a comma ("Due to" is a subordinating conjunction like "Because...", "After...", "If..."). You'll get better once you understand the grammar of it a bit more. Mario JC 21:35, September 19, 2020 (EDT)

Ohhh, thank for the encouragement. I try and proof read it a bit more. I guess maybe I can't notice the comma being there or not since it's so small than the text itself. Thanks again, I will try much harder and make this wiki better in some ways. I was quite proud finding out about the precursor to Metal Mario's (form) origins. --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 23:28, September 19, 2020 (EDT)

Your latest upload

Where did those images come from??? [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits) 16:24, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

I found them on Nintendo Wikia there is a user on there who is a UK Nintendo Ambassador and uploads the artwork to that site. Gamermakerguy

Uploading Image Reminder

I've mentioned this before, but the images you have uploaded are sometimes uploaded with unnecessary space around the image... a recent image of builder Mario you added was 5,120 × 5,120 when the image itself was really 2,323 × 3,857. Please make sure you crop unnecessary space so they don't need to be re-uploaded. Thanks!

User:Sdman213

I highly apologize for not doing that again. But I tried saving them and then cropping them but it wouldn't let me upload them for some reason on here and I made sure to use it with programs like Paint.NET to make it transparent, I'm not ignoring your advice and appreciate you reminding me again but I'm sadly not able to save the image, then crop it, and upload it since this sites upload won't allow me I forgot what the error message said, I'm doing the best I can to contribute with this site. User:Gamermakerguy

What computer do you have? I'm sure you can find an application simply for image cropping. User:Sdman213

I originally used Windows 7, but now I am using a Windows 10 since my old PC's tower's motherboard got destroyed. Maybe I will try again with the upload and see what happens. User:Gamermakerguy

"Instead of"

See this summary. You should check the page's history if you've noticed something keeps getting removed. Mario JC 00:22, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

I highly apologize for this. I am Canadian and was taught to use "instead of" as proper grammar and they say that is the right one in my country. I do watch the history frequently every morning for some games or pages I edit. Gamermakerguy

"Instead of" is a legitimate phrase, it's just not correctly used in this case. Mario JC 00:56, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Alright I will do that from now on I am trying my best and sorry I am annoying you again. Gamermakerguy

You're not being annoying, everyone makes mistakes. Mario JC 02:06, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

References

Please note that there's no space between the information and <ref> Mario JC 05:36, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Meowser

Hi, do you know where you obtained the higher resolution version of File:Meowser artscan.png? L151

This is probably going to be a very weird and unbelievable source/story, but I found it on the Fantendo. https://fantendo.fandom.com/wiki/Meowser I've been searching for an HQ render of Meowser for a long time until I stumbled upon one, I used Chrome's search image to see where else it was found but could not find any other sources other than just poor quality images or the HQ image with the black background used for Super Mario Maker 2 which I have with me even though transparent is better. Somehow Fantendo was the only one to have the same exact artwork but transparent while the only other HQ artworks are with the black background as stated above and that artwork uses the exact details like the one I found on fantendo. It's possible the user who uploaded it to fantendo is/was a Nintendo Ambassador much like how Yoshi.Noir is a UK one and uploaded HQ artwork on the Nintendo Wikia. User:Gamermakerguy

It's very noticeably been cropped from the black background, there are black artifacts everywhere in your image. I'd rather we don't pull anything from Fantendo at all, as much of their sources are vague at best and edited at worst. If you could upload the image with the black background that would be great. Nothing wrong with a background. 11:13, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

Mario Kart Tour images

hey, out of curiosity, where did you find the graphics you uploaded from Mario Kart Tour? I've been trying to find someone who has extracted images from the game but I can't seem to find any, and yet you have uploaded these. Thanks in advance - Qyzxf (talk) 12:14, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

A friend of mine named "El Vallo" datamined the images in-game and he allowed me to upload them on here, which is also why I listed him as an artist. Gamermakerguy

In that case, is he able to get the images of the remaining items, karts, gliders, and tracks that have not been uploaded? Additionally, I've noticed the artwork for Mario is slightly different in the game than it is on the site, so that one would be nice as well! Thanks - Qyzxf (talk) 08:54, September 28, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Fright Mask Spirit being a Bowser doppelgänger

I can understand Belome because of your description, but the Fright Mask / Jar isn't a clone of Bowser, it just creates a figure that looks like Bowser. It doesn't act like Bowser in any way other than looking like him. While I'm aware that is the exact definition of what a doppelganger is (considering I created a similar being), it's a temporary apparition and not actually a character itself. Like a shadow figure on the wall. It's more an illusion than a doppelganger.

As for italics, you add them like you normally would, except they don't apply to category links. Italicized links in categories mean they are a redirect and is automatically done if a redirect is categorized. 00:11, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

Answered your comment on my talk page - just a side pointer that you wanna use four tildes (~~~~) when signing your posts. -- Lord G. matters. 01:00, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

"Why does Hammerhead Bros, Cork and Cask, Jellyfish Sisters, & Starshade Bros. qualify for a doppelganger category but the Massif Bros.can't?! Zero sense."

They're closer to doppelgangers than the Massifs are. They have naming, movesets, and coloring similar to Mario and Luigi, while the Massifs do not outside of being siblings. That said, "doppelganger" isn't the right term for them, either; these people reference Mario and Luigi but aren't Mario and Luigi. A doppelganger is someone who looks exactly alike, which all of these guys are not. The category needs cleansed. 01:06, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

Funny you just said that it needs clean-up because I actually did a bit of a clean up for Mario & Luigi's doppelganger category already and even I removed Midbus from Bowser's doppelganger category page as well since he doesn't resemble him much either. gamermakerguy (talk)

If you're trying to categorise the Luigi version of those forms, you do that on the redirect. Mario JC 02:28, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for the help all of you! I've been wanting to do these categories forever. Luigi had so many of his own it was certainly warrant to get him his own category page and Peach had just enough doppelgangers to get it too everyone else just isn't needed at this time including like Yoshi and Toads having species. Should I give Mecha Koopas a category due to them seemingly modeled after Bowser in some ways, having Koopa possibly because of Bowser's last/Japanese name, having the ability to breath fire and looking quite similar from the Micro Mecha-Bowsers vice versa along with them being variants to each other, Gold Mario I mean he is separate in Mario Golf World Tour but he is actually Mario during his bogey animation in the DLC, But he is a skin of Metal Mario in the Mario Kart series, Babies, due to them being separately together with their adults despite actually being past versions of the present characters in spin-offs especially in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Cat Peach & Tanooki Mario since they are separate characters in the Mario Kart 8 because I've noticed that Bowser's doppelganger category has Dry Bowser there due to him being separate but debuted as a form. I wanted to check before I get to that conclusion of fixing everything else. I also can't make the Super Paper Mario version that was technically the first Dark Bowser to have a redirect category to Shadoo due to the more recognizable one from Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story having an article of the same name (I had ideas of moving the page as Dark Bowser (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story). Neither can I make False Mario & Luigi direct pages for False Characters that appear in the The Great Maze from Super Smash Bros. Brawl gamermakerguy (talk)

Because Bowser's Inside Story Dark Bowser is a different character than Shadoo, so he gets his own article. The {{about}} at the top explains how to get to Shadoo from Dark Bowser. Perhaps Shadoo itself could be categorized with the doppleganger categories? 22:17, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

Alrighty I decided to take your suggestions, it's for the best. Also permissions with any of those articles to get the category too? Sorry if it's long of a reply. I've been thinking about making the Bubble Clones have their own re-directories but I'm not sure if that is necessary since they are just evil bubbles that duplicate all characters? gamermakerguy (talk)

Marking your recent edits as "minor"

Hey, you've been making a lot of edits recently which have been simply to add a category to the page. While doing that, you should mark the edit as minor. This is explicitly stated on the Warning Policy, but I just wanted to let you know just in case you were unaware. This is NOT a reminder or a warning. --MikhailMCraft (talk • contribs) 13:05, October 4, 2019 (EDT)

I didn't know that counted as minor. Okay I will do that from now on when adding a category, i'm trying to do clean-up on the doppelganger categories. gamermakerguy (talk)

Baby Characters

Past versions of a character ARE that character, them appearing alongside their future selves notwithstanding. To clarify further: yes, Baby Mario et. al. are considered separate for the purpose of things like character selection and such, but in terms of actual identity they are just that character, but a baby. -- Lord G. matters. 00:32, October 5, 2019 (EDT)

Shouldn't that technically be the case for like Metal Mario, Tanooki Mario, Gold Mario, etc. since they are just Mario with a different power-up but being separate then? Same going for Dry Bowser who is just Bowser but melted from lava but became separate of a character. gamermakerguy (talk)

Probably would refrain from considering the playable forms to be part of the category, since we split them more for role/wiki reasons than the reason being that they are actually different characters. Same goes for the babies, which in every official profile are literally the same characters but obviously younger. "Doppelgänger" should be reserved for subjects that are unambiguously different characters modeled after the original one. The reason Dry Bowser remains in the category is because Bowser vaguely refers to "a close family friend" before finding him without any further explanation in Mario Party: Island Tour, but that's pushing it in my opinion. LinkTheLefty (talk) 05:25, October 5, 2019 (EDT)

Uploads

The file you uploaded was a duplicate of this. It's an understandable mistake, but if you can, try to make sure that a given file isn't already here prior to uploading it. -- Lord G. matters. 00:48, October 8, 2019 (EDT)

Ignore this, I messed up :P 00:50, October 8, 2019 (EDT)

I'm very aware it's a duplicate from that group artwork from Super Mario 3D World but the only difference is that Toad has his traditional red spots and it's also official too and some artwork on here are duplicates except for some minor/recolored adjustments. Plus Toads artwork from SM3DW is Blue and Super Mario Run's has the same exact duplicate of his solo artwork minus the spots being red instead of blue. gamermakerguy (talk)

Duly noted, I blame Alex for baiting me. :B As you were, then. -- Lord G. matters. 01:09, October 8, 2019 (EDT)

Re: King Boo Sunshine vs Big Boo

This sort of thing needs a regular discussion first. I'll make one of those. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:33, October 26, 2019 (EDT)

Sounds good to me, I think it's a good idea what you thought of. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:37, October 26, 2019 (EDT)

Series redirect links

Please remember to link to series pages properly. [[Mario Kart Series]] should be [[Mario Kart (series)]] (as in ''[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]'' series). Mario JC 10:26, November 2, 2019 (EDT)

Its vs. it's

"Its" is the possessive pronoun you're after (as in "Luigi's Mansion and its remake"). "It's" is short for "it is". Mario JC 06:01, November 4, 2019 (EST)

Bringing this up again because you're still confusing the two. Mario JC 05:29, January 5, 2020 (EST)

References

There's a difference between a reference and things that happen to be similar. A "reference" is "referring" to something; something that is just "similar" to another thing by coincidence is not a reference, unless there's evidence that shows the similarity being intentional. Mario JC 19:32, November 4, 2019 (EST)

Then why should the Crystal Coconut be allowed to be referenced but the Golden Banana cannot? That doesn't make any sense at all. The Crystal Coconuts are not only modeled differently in appearance for Donkey Kong 64 but they also have a different function compared to the shows variant. Golden Bananas first appeared in the show but they ended up in the first Mario Party and more especially in a Donkey Kong game which is of course Donkey Kong 64, but it's still generally a golden banana. I'm seeing some other articles make references but they seem more like coincidences or vice versa, so in ways it's difficult to debate if developers intended to be references or just coincidences you may as well say that almost all references are a coincidence including Cranky Kong being a mad scientist is NOT a reference to the show even if they are similar. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 19:57, November 4, 2019 (EST)

Because the idea of introducing a golden version of an item isn't that unique of an idea that it could have come from the animated series, when it could have been something Rare came up with themselves. Something like the Crystal Coconut, Cranky's scientist traits and the Klaptrap dentures are at least specific enough to not be considered a coincidence, but something that clearly is shouldn't be added. The references lists are not perfect (I'm aware some of them need cleaning up) so they shouldn't be used as basis for adding your own references when they should be based on your own judgement on whether they are references or not. Mario JC 23:40, November 4, 2019 (EST)

But then what's even the point with the Golden Banana article saying it's debut is the show I haven't seen too many articles mention that their debut in a show before the games, can't remember specifically which one but that was long ago? It just seems rather confusing, unorganized and inconsistent to it's connections with the articles history and the fact that many people will say it's either coincidence or accurate as a reference it's too subjective and rather too speculative if you get my drift. Also that's like saying Rare made up the "Crystal" Coconut idea on their own and didn't use the show as inspiration, it's not a unique item either since it's just a coconut being a crystal instead, just like how the Banana is just gold. So if anything they are still a coincidence even if those elements are added later to the games. Everyone's opinion on what can be a reference or not can make have an editing war even some references are speculative still. I am not an admin but I feel like a better policy for those reference edits could be a bit ummm better. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:03, November 5, 2019 (EST)

MarioWiki:References#References to other games and references in later games. If an intentional connection is clear (e.g. the ones with Bluster), it's a reference; if there's no proof of one, it doesn't get added. That's all; there's no subjectivity. I've removed the DK64 one since there doesn't seem to be proof anywhere of those being "nods". Mario JC 04:32, November 5, 2019 (EST)

"Same method", especially something as general as standing on a shell, doesn't automatically make it a reference. Please read through MW:References again. Mario JC 21:03, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I don't think you're fully understanding what's considered a direct reference as you've been adding far too many "references" that are merely similarities to something in past games, mostly ones that aren't likely enough to be intentional. For example, in addition to what I said here, Fast Dash could have simply been fast speed without specifically referencing Toad, the only similarities Missile Megs share with the diagonal Bullet Bills and SMS Purple Bullet Bills are the direction of movement and colour/bared teeth respectively, and Yoshi getting knocked back and stunned is just a common knockback animation (and you added the same NSMB2 Tanooki Mario reference for no reason again, even though musical changes have existed since SMW with Yoshi, a recurring element as I mentioned in the linked summary). All of these are just ordinary traits being twisted into what could be references just because previous games did them too. Please stop treating everything as a reference and bring them up on the talk page to get opinions on them first before claiming them as such on the article. Mario JC 09:03, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

And I don't think you and I seem to have good terms of agreement to one another I've been noticing just because we don't think the same view to one another and see each other as conflictive rivals or something since you always seem to have beef towards me as a "negative annoyance". What other game had Piranha Plants tilting their heads at the player considering their are bits of Yoshi's Island references? How is Toad's fast speed not intentional but a simple high-jump with a scuttle is a reference to Luigi because we all know him for that when that may as well be a coincidence since it's a simple high-jump? Missle Megs are not just purple (even with an identical hue and shade) and have closed teeth they also have fins like the SMS purple Bullet Bills on vertical and horizontal sides. I am strongly aware Yoshi (as a big fan of him) is the one that added changes to the music first since SMW but the difference is that he is more of a mount while NSMB2 is specifically the first time an actual power-up changes the music at all. At this point I'm pretty much convinced you will just see lots of "references" as coincidence from me in particular and even if I discuss this the opinions will be "conflictive arguments" they think "no, this is right, no this isn't, vice versa" from one another that there will be disagreements from what they consider their own view to be correct out of bias. At this point I'm just done and think it's best I leave this site after all that seems to make me look stupid. --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 11:53, October 20, 2023 (EDT)

RE: Peach Explorer Outfit

The thing is you're comparing a sprite with a 3D model and trying to glean for evidence that the two are the same. How are you so sure? Not only is it hard to tell how similar they are as you yourself said, explorer outfits like that are a thing in real life. Mario JC 06:55, November 9, 2019 (EST)

"purple"

No, it's Toadette's color. I'm skeptical about the "reference to Four Swords" thing. I think that they just happen to look similar because the characters share similar visually-appealing colors, not to mention how Purple Link was nixed from TFH. Also, this is purple and looks like purple. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:00, December 6, 2019 (EST)

I disagree, Toadette's Link has nearly the same hue as Purple Link, it's just a little pink but it's still pretty close in the magenta range which is also a shade of purple too. The NES Color palettes are usually off from their colors too especially yellow being a little more orange and red being slightly orange-ish. Regardless the color range is completely close in it's hue and most people will see it as Purple Link anyways visually. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 02:49, December 7, 2019 (EST)

"Most people" is entirely subjective, especially since FS and FSA are so far forgotten (and for very good reason; one was near shovelware until the limited DSi rerelease and the other a GCN-GBA game link gimmick game that is nearly unplayable nowadays because of that). Purple Link admittedly looked sorta pinkish in the undistorted GCN FSA sprite, but it never appears undistorted in-game, and the GBA palette is as purple as purple can be. Furthermore, you're equating extremely bright and saturated magenta with a muted lavender, which is problematic itself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:13, December 7, 2019 (EST)

Magenta (Purple Link's color) is both a purple-pink color, yes Toadettes is a little more pinkish but that's only because of her and that applies to lavenders as well. That magenta shade is arguably considered both purple and pink anyways. Even lavender has different shades of pink, purples and even blues as well. Visually it would still look like Purple Link on TV screens anyways. Even Blue Yoshi in Super Mario World visually looked purple on the actual SNES hardware but he is in fact blue thanks to the manual. Also you do realize that the same colored links appeared in The Legend Of Zelda: Phantom Hour Glass and The Legend Of Zelda: Phantom Spirit Tracks in their multiplayer modes? Those games aren't that forgotten compared to the Four Sword games either. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 14:34, December 7, 2019 (EST)

Yes, and you know what else? First game to have that color arrangement of Links was actually Super Smash Bros., where it was definitely purple. Also, I agree with the SMW thing, I always saw Iggy and Roy as purple, and have taken to using the word "indigo" for the majority of ALttP "blue" entities (aside from ones like Rupees which are distinctly blue and Leevers which are distinctly purple). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:02, December 7, 2019 (EST)

>especially since FS and FSA are so far forgotten

Nnnnno.

While Toadette is definitely more pink, the fourth Link is more associated with purple. Both would technically be correct. Another option would be to name it like "SMM2 Toadette Link Sprite.png", but that would be inconsistent with the others. Even naming the others to match would create a problem with "Mario Link" and "Luigi Link", which share the same character sprite in different modes.

Based off of just the visual alone, which is what it should be, it is definitely pink. Even as a partially color-blind person, I can tell that. 15:44, December 7, 2019 (EST)

After putting the cursor on Toadette's Link color palette from it's tunic, MS Paint says it's "pink", so it's true that Toadette's Link tunic is more pink than Purple Link's, while using Purple Link's palette from Four Swords says lavender. I should've mentioned I chose to call the file "Purple Link" for the reasons that Alex95 said and I was trying to be consistent with the name so it isn't too misleading, I'll admit I wasn't fully against calling it "Pink Link" in the file, and i just want to make it more clear what the sprite represents and I am not trying to harass anyone who is color blinded at all, I'm not really color blinded actually but obviously not in the perfect way. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:36, December 7, 2019 (EST)

You weren't harassing anyone. I meant the file name should be based on the visual, so "pink" is more accurate than "purple". Are you fine with me moving it back to pink? 00:05, December 8, 2019 (EST)

If there is absolutely no problem with it, then yeah, then it should move back to "Pink Link" then, Even Young Link has a pink tunic as one of his alts in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, so it's not that random call it that. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:20, December 8, 2019 (EST)

Cool, thanks ^^ 00:25, December 8, 2019 (EST)

SMRPG Yoshi color

And what makes you say that? There are plenty of palettes that use a saturated red, and this game has a lot of palettes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:45, December 19, 2019 (EST)

The hue data shows it's red in both MS Paint and it's hue data being 238-0 for each of the corresponding shades in the RGB, you can say the same thing that Mario is pink in Mario Kart: Super Circuit but it's that bright red for both him and the red Yoshi because the GBA has no back lit so they had brighten the saturation to the color palettes. Seeing how there is of course green, blue for Boshi and yellow, they match the colors from Super Mario World. it's also more closely red as well. Rose color (which is he is colored that way) is also a bright red that also "looks" pink. Super Mario RPG has a lot of color palettes that can sometimes look off for the SNES palette limitation. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:06, December 19, 2019 (EST)

Thing is though, the backlight thing is totally irrelevant here. Pink is generally a bright red, but I feel that ambiguous borderline situations do not warrant a file move. If anything, the descriptor should be "red/pink" or "rose," like how I've changed countless "so-called 'blue' that is more green" to "turquoise." As for the SMW thing...so? SMW2 was already out, so they had more Yoshi colors regardless, and why would they give it a lavender saddle in that case? If they wanted red specifically, they'd probably have assigned a similar group of shades that Yoshi's own saddle uses. Sort of like how in SMW itself, the saddle uses the brownish-orange shades that many palettes in the game share. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:54, December 19, 2019 (EST)

There are more shades of pink than just being a bright red, it's also a brighter magenta (purple-ish and pinker) too and this Yoshi doesn't look as pink being no where near close to the original Yoshi's Island Pink Yoshi. So...? Yo’ster Isle has a huge influence to Super Mario World. It has Yoshi Houses with berries on the bushes, Baby Yoshis needing to be fed to grow, and mailboxes. The only reason why there saddle and shoes are blue/lavender is because if they gave them the same red as the other Yoshis shoes and saddles, they would blend in with their skin , none of the other Yoshis there have different colored shoes and the red on their shoes isn't as dark as the Yoshis in Super Mario World. Red Yoshi was also bright red in the original Super Smash Bros. See here --Gamermakerguy (talk) 02:27, December 19, 2019 (EST)

Technically, "Yo'ster Island" is one of the names Yoshi's Island has always gone under in Japan, including SMW. I still think a file name move was superfluous, but whatever. I'd forgotten about the Smash Bros thing. And yes, I am well aware that there are many types of "pink," it's just that "really light red" is the one that typically comes to mind from my past interactions. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:37, December 19, 2019 (EST)

I see, It's not really a major deal moving it since it only appears on two gallery pages and it's hardly used on the site anyways. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 02:45, December 19, 2019 (EST)

RE:Daisy's kart emblem for MKT

Nope, just completely forgot! It's fixed now. TrainiaxLet's chat! 18:04, December 21, 2019 (EST)

Duplicate info

Do not duplicate information from other pages please, like what you did on ? Panel, the Mario Bros. section of Green Fireball and the Mario RPG section of Birdo's Egg. Mario JC 05:48, December 29, 2019 (EST)

Latest appearance

Without wanting to playing spoilers, on the page of Dr. Mario World, you can see that when the player has completed the two areas in the 10th world, you can see appear in the background, Ice Bros appear along with Penguins , I know I have nothing to blame myself. User:TheRaoul1992 14:32, December 29, 2019 (EST)

Ice Mario

This is your last warning. The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki. If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.

What you have repeatedly attempted to add here unfortunately can't stay, since those mentions have nothing to do with the form that the article's subject is about. The Super Mario Galaxy 2 info might be able to go into trivia, but the Mario Golf: World Tour info goes into the Ice Flower article instead, and the Mario Tennis Aces info doesn't need to be mentioned at all because of how "obvious" it is. Keep in mind that you've been warned about edit warring multiple times in the past, and so consider this your final warning; any more edit wars you participate in will result in a block. ^(T|C) 14:12, January 17, 2020 (EST)

Hey, I was trying to do the best of what I can and many people kept disregarding me even if it fitted or not, all because of many debates with different agreement issues, why do I need to be the only one to warned for!? That's really unfair...Because Doc von Schmeltwick was edit warring as well, even if you don't agree with it. You are basically over powering your admin status just to frame me out. I don't even care if you block me, even if you really hate what I'm saying here. Just do it if you are really wanting too. I'm doing the best I can and I realize I'm not perfect but I want to help but you know what, but I don't think I'm needed here after all since people want to conflict me so many times, even if no one cares. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 14:37, January 17, 2020 (EST)

I was not edit warring, I deliberately waited after your last revert to see if anyone else would instead. Also, TTA isn't an admin. Also, the "woe is me" type of thing isn't going to get you anywhere. If you have a problem with the warning, appeal it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:41, January 17, 2020 (EST)

(edit conflict) No, that wasn't my intent. Even if Doc was also at fault for edit warring, at that point you should have instead left a message on her talk page clearly explaining why you felt that said information was needed in the first place; instead, you chose to simply revert back to your preferred version for the third time. Also, what does a status as an admin have to do with this? I'm clearly not an admin, nor am I deliberately trying to undermine their authority either, so I won't be the one to block you in the end even if I tried. I'm also not "hating" what you're saying, just that what you're saying is highly contentious and thus needed to be discussed before jumping to any conclusions. That's literally all I'm trying I'm say; everything else is irrelevant. ^(T|C) 14:48, January 17, 2020 (EST)

I only added in those platforms because they were from Ice Mario (Galaxy), while the platforms don't have an article unlike the Ice Balls having one. I just wanted to complete it some way to make it consistent, that's all, but instead I just waste my efforts trying...and feel like I'm some pointless user now. Oh...it was hard to tell due to the user name being colored pink and bold, I see most admins having those users, i really didn't know. Also what do you mean "woe is me" isn't going to get me no where? Alright from now on i will talk to users, I was actually a bit nervous too just because it felt kind of awkward if you know what I mean. I'm actually really sorry for treating you two and getting you guys upset, I feel really bad for what I've done. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 15:03, January 17, 2020 (EST)

By the "woe is me" type thing, I mean the "why does everyone hate me I'm so pointless" type of thing. This is really too minor a thing to be feeling that way. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:54, January 17, 2020 (EST)

My editing skills were never really that great, even I know I won't be going far with this regardless. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 19:10, January 18, 2020 (EST)

Hi, admin jumping in here. Even if you think the information should stay, the warning is specifically for edit warring, which is something you have already been warred about and will not be tolerated again. It is your information that is being questioned, not Doc's or Toadette's. Do not repeatedly change the article content, discuss it with the reverter(s) first and come to a conclusion. 14:53, January 17, 2020 (EST)

Ludwig's SMW shell

Yes, but there's nothing stopping them from loading that palette in his boss room as far as I can tell. It's not like there's a lot to color in there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:54, February 27, 2020 (EST)

I don't know, it's possible that the colors were made that way due to whatever the programs were designed with. Unfortunately there is no true evidence and hacking it is not the same to how Nintendo made their games back then either, but I do agree with you removing it though. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 18:58, February 27, 2020 (EST)

Well, with an emulator one could check the active palettes, which isn't the same as "hacking." I know that at least can be done on GBA games, at any rate. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:05, February 27, 2020 (EST)

Yeah on the GBA it can be fixed for the Koopalings colors, but oddly they never bothered. Lunar Magic also can check palettes for levels too. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 19:13, February 27, 2020 (EST)

Re:Black Shell...?

I'm already in major disagreement over your putting what amounts to "A Koopa has this shell color" into the shell color articles (see here), but saying it's the same when it predates the actual appearance of the item is going too far. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:56, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

These are Koopa Troopa Shells, Koopa Troopas with Golden Shells didn't appear until New Super Mario Bros. 2 since Gold Shells were only in Super Mario Galaxy. It's still a Black colored Shell. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:00, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

The Gold Shell was still an item then Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:02, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, but that's the opposite with the Black Shell. Especially Red and Green Shells were inconsistent throughout the Mario franchise. Gold Shells didn't explode in other games just Mario Kart Arcade GP DX it's also like you saying that the info in the Gold Shell article should be separate from the actual Gold Shell article just because it's function isn't in the other games, espesally it's coin trail it makes, also that talk page is unsolved.--Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:17, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

That's my point! It wasn't an item before MKAGP, therefore any "appearances" prior to that are completely and totally irrelevant, as the article is over the item. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:11, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Also Red and Green Shells are NOT items in its debut in Super Mario Bros. and neither was it said in the manual so that would mean the green and red shells in Mario Kart also shouldn't be in those corresponding articles just because they function differently and also are Koopa Troopa Shells, especially they aren't owned by Koopa Troopas either but simple stray shells. Also I wouldn't have counted Black Koopa Bro'ss shell if he didn't go in it, but he does with two of the attacks, that is why it was also mentioned which made sense. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:17, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

They are items in SMB as they can be used by the player. Regardless, the way I plan on making it is so that the shell color articles only entail where the colors give different properties to how they behave or can be used, which starts at Super Mario World. For the ones where they act the same, keeping them needlessly on different articles violates the once and only once rule. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:28, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Where's your source? Sounds like you're trying to treat it like its a fact when it was never confirmed to be an item, especially those things can damage you, that's like calling a Bob-omb an item just because you can carry and kick it around? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:36, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Why on Earth would an official source be required? It's an item/object solely because it functions as one. Which is a lot different a situation than simply being a piece of someone's anatomy/clothing/whatever. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:45, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Because you're treating your opinion like it's fact when that was never confirmed to be the case at all just to attempt at winning an argument, I'm not that stupid. Just because it looks or seem like an item doesn't mean it's confirmed to be the case. Poison Mushroom would be treated as an item but that is more of a trap, even when comparing it to a Super Mushroom. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:24, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, I've noticed you seem to have a habit of adding sections to articles where the subject of the section is only tangentially related to the rest of the article. You might want to keep relevance in mind so you can avoid "overcategorization" for that specific reason or similar ones. EDIT: WHOOPS, let this sit while I took care of something, and Doc already brought it up by the time I remembered to publish. That's on me, but you still might want to be a bit more mindful regardless - we've been dealing with a lot of merge/split proposals recently where the subjects are only vaguely related to one another, iirc. -- Lord G. matters. 23:25, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

That's a very subjective thing to say. Paper Mario is more known than the Mario Kart Arcade GP games but you could argue that in Japan as well the opposite way. Relevance doesn't make a big difference like that I get the Black Shell doesn't show up too much in Paper Mario but then neither would the Red and Green Shells in some of the main Mario games just because they only appear just for jumping on Koopa Troopas while they are treated as items outside of the main series. It's not like I'm saying the red Spiny Shells are Red Shells. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 23:30, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

No, but it is like you're trying to list every red appearance of the Spiny on the red Spiny Shell page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:45, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

No, because both of those Koopa Troopa Shells are black and all the other colored Koopa Shells have a different consistent behavior in many of the games even those mentioned in those articles. Spiny and Red Koopa Shells are completely different! What's your excuse? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:24, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

How about you pay attention to what I actually type before insulting me? I said what you're doing is like putting every appearance of the red SPINY on the red SPINY SHELL page, because it is. You are claiming a legitimate appearance of a particular item/object because it's an unremoved part of a Koopa's anatomy. That is not a legitimate appearance of the aforementioned item/object. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

See, I think you're conflating "relevance" with "popularity" when I am speaking strictly (and presumably Doc as well) in terms of what the article in question covers, i.e. merely being a black shell is not enough for it to be thrown in when the article itself deals with a very specific type of black shell.

...Also do you seriously need a source for >the player being able to kick Koopas in SMB after stepping on them?< -- Lord G. matters. 23:47, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Also, no one complained when that and a bunch of miscellaneous irrelevant stuff was removed years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:50, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

Then explain the Blue Shell power-up in New Super Mario Bros., it's in the general Blue Shell article just because it's simply a Blue Shell, yet being it's own unique power-up. Not only is that history both old and outdated but all of those don't equal at all since those are general black shells belonging to other Koopas and not the types of Koopa Troopa sub-species wearing an ordinary black koopa shells, even Bombshell Koopa doesn't count. I also did leave the Thorny alone for a reason since it's not exactly a black Koopa shell too since those are completely different, Even those black shells from the Super Show are already on them and they don't go inside or out of them, that is why I didn't apply it. Also then the Red Shell in the Mario Kart series should be split just because it's a Red Shell with a different behavior of homing. Just because no one complains about it doesn't mean they will talk about it in a public site some can always talk about it privately besides that history section is long forgotten and never talked about besides us. Also about the Shells being so-called items, Poison Mushroom would be treated as an item but that is more of a trap, even when comparing it to a Super Mushroom when that is clearly an item. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 00:24, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Because it is a standalone entity, not solely appearing being worn. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

The Blue Shell split might have some legs, the red shell deal would absolutely not, since again it's not about "they have different effects". Mario Kart is a racer where many of the Mario games are platformers - of course they'd have completely different effects based off that alone.

Also the Poison Mushroom is most definitely an item, what are you talking about? An item that acts as a gotcha is... still an item. -- Lord G. matters. 00:35, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, let's see if I can sort this out...

1. - Paper Mario's "black shell" is tied to an enemy and is completely unusable by the player. Ergo it does not qualify as an item and does not belong on the Black Shell article.
2. - Blue Shells are fully usable by the player in every appearance they are in. That said, I wouldn't consider the Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Odyssey, and Paper Mario info as the same items. That should be a discussion for Blue Shell's talk page.
3. - Poison Mushrooms are items, through and through. Dangerous items, but items nonetheless.
4. - Try to remain calm and act rationally at all times. This is a rule that applies to everyone, and continuing to break it will result in consequences.

Anything I missed? 00:51, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

There's already a discussion on that covering all shell colors. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:59, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Then explain why the Blue Shell articles latest appearance (the actual one) is in Mario Tennis Aces despite not being an item but part of Blue Koopa Troopas animations. Even the Gold Shell is listed as its latest appearance for Super Mario Odyssey from the Gold Roving Racer but that is not an item, he goes in that shell mostly when there is like water during the races. Uugh my head is spinning thinking of all this. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:01, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

The wiki is able to be edited. 01:03, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Except not many or possibly anyone will notice or even bother with it and even get that fixed and it's left there as a organizing mess and cause more confusion. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:05, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I did, hence why I made the discussion topic. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:07, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

You are capable of editing the wiki and changing information you think needs changed. You don't need to wait around for someone else to get to it, unless it is a protected article, tagged under construction, or in dispute with a proposal. If there is contention with the change, you are also capable of talking it out. 01:08, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I've been more bemused than agitated in any sense, but per Alex's advice I'll try to state this as civilly as possibly - if you see something you believe to be inconsistent, bring it up on the talk page and you will get an explanation. After all, this is a wiki, i.e. someone can edit it to say that its last appearance was Aces, likely because they made the same misstep you did wrt "item" vs. "part of a character", and it can also be edited to be more accurate - discussing major changes beforehand is the entire purpose of the talk pages, proposals, etc. If you say absolutely nothing about a perceived problem, then of course no one will notice it - it's silly to not say anything at all because there's a chance you might not be noticed. -- Lord G. matters. 01:11, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I don't want to sound like a downer, but not many users including new ones will pay attention that or even have the patients and motivation to look into it, even depending on the pages they will be on and not easily notice it as well. That is why I am a bit concerned about the major confusion. Alex95, that's the problem, I want too. But then I will likely just be in the wrong areas due to my lack of memory of keeping track with the policy and getting the entire criteria correct and getting too mixed up with everything going along. I'm not going to easily know if it's inconsistent or not. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:16, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

By including it this conversation, you've already brought the point up. You can change it yourself, or it will be changed momentarily. In all honesty, just do your best. If someone sees you need help, or if you reach out to someone for help, someone will help you. As long as you aren't intentionally doing things wrong, and start making corrections when you are told something is off, you will be fine. 01:19, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

"I don't want to sound like a downer, but not many users including new ones will pay attention that or even have the patients and motivation to look into it"

Come on. Give people some credit, dude. Keep in mind that wikis are inherently a collaborative effort, and try to avoid over-investing to the tune of "if I don't do this no one else will" - there no shame in asking for help. -- Lord G. matters. 01:27, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I've seen a few articles that never touched in a very long time with lacking bits info excluding minor edits such as the Dragon Coin or the Yellow Shell. Well of course I'm not trying to do the wrong edits on purpose, even though it seems like I am since I first got on here. I'm at least thankful my entire efforts for that Black Shell article wasn't completely removed since it actually took me about 3 hours to do all that research...Yeah I'm actually serious. I wasn't representing everyone entirely including to all of who I'm talking to here and who work on here. I actually have asked for help a couple times in discussions, but no one ever answers, not even at least saying they don't know.

--Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:29, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Well, yeah, if an article seriously needs updating, the edit button's right there. To repeat, this is a wiki, and you are free to take the initiative within reason - I see something in need of rewriting, if I have the ability to rewrite then... I rewrite, no questions asked (though refer to our previous quips about talk pages and proposals for major changes specifically).

And again, don't be afraid to ask for help. This includes contacting someone directly if no one sees a talk page message - though it might be easy to forget, keep in mind that this is a very large wiki, and not everything will be seen immediately, especially once you consider editors often have lives outside of wiki matters. -- Lord G. matters. 01:41, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I do find it a little weird that if a Shell is an attack it can't be mentioned in that article which seems to be missing a bit of "accurate" info what the person could be looking for, even though the shell articles focus on the item itself rather than in general. But that is only my opinion and not something I will write in. Also please forgive me if I seem a bit hostile on here sometimes I have a lot of trouble with both trust and knowing if the person is trustful, not a jerk or not since I've been betrayed by a lot of people both in real-life and online. I'm also pretty shy as well. That's why I'm also hesitant to ask such questions as well. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:56, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

All Shells attack pretty much the same way, the only real exception being those used in Mario Kart. 02:00, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I think I should've been more clear. I feel like it's strange that the Red Shells used by Red Koopas attacking in Paper Mario are allowed to appear on the Red Shell article that focuses on the item, yet the Black Shell can't, Even though the Yellow Shell is the same way with the KP Koopa on the article I first expanded. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 02:05, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Currently they are, but again those appeared prior as an established thing. If my suggestion on the shell talk goes through, they'll be removed as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:09, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

That actually sounds fair and will help make it a bit more consistent and less confusing. So this means that the enemy Koopas attacking inside their shells may get removed from those shell articles once it goes through, including if let's see Captain Koopa uses his green/gold shell for attacking with his inside? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 02:11, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Eeyup. Shell attacks with names would go on the attack pages. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:47, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I've been deeply thinking about what you were saying last night (in my time zone), I kinda see why you are trying to separate from Koopa Troopas using their Shells as attacks and Shells having their own article if they are an item, I just misunderstood and terrible at thinking quick since I thought the articles were mentioning them in general since it wasn't referring to them specifically if they were items the way it was said, not when they are wearing it and never or can go inside of their shell to attack let's say, I hope you understand what I mean, it was why i was highly misunderstood. I've been planning to expand the Blue Shell article but only adding sections if the Blue Shell itself is an item, not like I'm going to say "Koopley was inside his "Blue Shell" in Hooktail's belly", "Kooper attacks with his Blue Shell in battle", "Shady Koopa attacks with his light-blue Shell" or " let's say too Red Ninja Koopa attacks with his Red Shell", now that you mentioned it all to me, Because it would certainly be cluttered since there are a lot of Blue Koopa characters filling up the Blue Shell article along with other colored shell articles and that will take me a lot of work to do for the Blue Shell article once I get started, it will be much easier for me to get just the Blue Shell item alone. I kinda see why the Gold Shell article doesn't mention how Captain Koopa's trial (gold) goes in his Gold Shell to raise his defense in the Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga remake for Minion Quest, since that's not an item itself, but one of his movesets. Is there anything you want me to remove from the Yellow Shell article I expanded on? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 14:27, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

For Yellow Shell, the Paper Marios, Mario Party: Island Tour, and Mario Party: The Top 100 can all go. I'm not sure about Mario's Time Machine and Puzzle & Dragons. 14:33, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

MTM can definitely go, I've played that game numerous times and the shells don't act any different between yellow and red; in fact, the main difference between the Troopas in that case is the context they are found in, with red ones being in the Mario Bros. minigame and yellow being in the actual stages. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:37, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Alex I agree, I think Puzzle and Dragons should go since they attack with their Yellow Shells, not an item in that game. Doc, the Green and Red Shells usually act the same in most 2D Platform games, and you can kick both of those shells and hit enemies based on the location they are found in, the yellow shells replace the usual green ones in that game, I know the shells in the game can't damage you or take a life away because there are no lives and some form of a health system generally since everything that hits you generally in the game just stunts you, but I will certainly remove the Bodyslam Koopa part for sure, it's not needed 100%. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 14:46, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I suppose perhaps in the current system that's true, though I still feel that the "act the same in every way" shell colors-by-game should be merged to a base "shell" article. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:00, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I can see that, but wouldn't that mean Red, Blue and Yellow Yoshi need their own article if they have a different function in Super Mario World too like the shells...? Even Yoshi's Eggs are an item to get a Yoshi hatched out or a weapon in the Yoshi series so that would mean they should be separate for articles as well espesally they would jsut hatch a colored Yoshi that works all the same function like in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Anyways going to work on the Yellow Shell article. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 20:06, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

That's more along the lines of red/green Troopas. Mario Kart items generally get pages distinct from each other. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:25, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

So I guess this means that the blue and yellow shell articles will be merging with this general shell article because they are not Mario Kart items then (obviously I know it's not the Spiny Shell, which most fans simply call it)? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 20:30, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Well not totally. Blue Shell's NSMB/BIS and Strikers appearances are worth keeping, and I think we can keep the SMW ones apart in light of the rest. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:39, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Sounds good, I do plan to fix up the Gold and Blue Shell eventually and perhaps the Green and Red one too. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 20:44, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Making edits is how you improve and learn on a wiki :)

If you think your discussion was missed, which is totally possible given how many edits a day happen here, you can ask for someone's opinion directly. 01:32, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I'll admit I've improved a bit still got lots to work on with myself though. Yeah, that's a good idea there. Here is one I have, with this --Gamermakerguy (talk) 01:38, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I'm afraid I can't answer that as I'm not in a position in the game to continually check, but maybe TCRF has something? 02:00, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I suppose I could ask them, still never found an answer to this day even before making that discussion.

Thank you!

The photo of blue toad was widely browsed from the internet ie google images, thank you for helping me editing the error, thank you very much!

Yellow Birdos Pictures form Mario Kart tour

Are you the one that add new pictures of Yellow Birdo into the Birdos (species)'s page? If yes, I want to thank you! I also have a question for you. Ouimet (talk) 19:54, 22 April, 2020 (ET)

Yup that was me who added them to that gallery. What's your question? --Gamermakerguy (talk) 20:16, April 22, 2020 (EDT)

Do you have a email or a account you can give me (Facebook, Twiiter or Discords), so I can share you two pictures as example of what we miss about Yellow Birdo? It will be more easy than trying to describe it. Ouimet (talk) 18:23, 23 April, 2020 (ET)

I have all of those, but my Facebook account is meant more for people I know more and for family. But Twitter and Discord is certainly a yes! My Twitter is my username on here and Discord is personal, but you can DM me about it on my Twitter. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 18:42, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

All Right, Thanks! I completely understand you about your Facebook account. I will write you on your Twitter account! Are you named Super Geoshi Bros.? Ouimet (talk) 15:41, 24 April, 2020 (ET)

Yes that is actually me. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 16:09, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

Weird, I can follow you, but I can't write you a message in private. If you see I now following you, can you write me? Ouimet (talk) 0:12, 28 April, 2020 (ET)

Sorry for the late reply, but what is your Twitter username? A lot of users have been following on Twitter and I am trying hard to keep it with every notification I get. --Gamermakerguy (talk) 19:25, April 28, 2020 (EDT)

Moving images

When you move an image, be sure to check "What links here" from the original file name and correct the links, then mark the redirect for deletion. 17:20, July 3, 2020 (EDT)

Thanks for the tip, though I made sure it was only in the Super Mario Galaxy Gallery, though I don't know how to delete the redirects formal names --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 17:29, July 3, 2020 (EDT)

You can't actually delete them yourself, you mark them with {{delete}} and an admin will get to it. 17:37, July 3, 2020 (EDT)

Understood there, thank you! --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 19:39, July 3, 2020 (EDT)

Blocked

Hey. So, I noticed that you had blocked me on DeviantArt a long time ago and that I couldn't understand why. Anyways, I'm just here to kindly ask you if you could just unblock me. I mean, I've been doing quite better for the most part and that I feel bad for my past actions (i.e. venting about Toadette's explorer outfit; I'm over it now). Also, a couple months ago, I even tried to apologize to you. So, um...I know this won't make up for everything I've done, but can you please unblock me on DA or am I blocked from you on that site indefinitely?

--ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 12:39, July 16, 2020 (EDT)

I accept your apology and willing to give you a second chance. It's true that I did block you because of your childish hypocritical ways back then which got me pretty fed up despite trying to put a lot of patients in with Iwatchcartoons715 (since I saw you two having problems with the Toadette outfit issue too), but I'm glad you matured and accepted Odyssey getting references and also being a great man. --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 15:22, July 17, 2020 (EDT)

Thank you so much. That means a lot to me. :)

--ThatOneUniqueToad (talk) 21:55, July 17, 2020 (EDT)

New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe Athletic Theme Change… Source?

Where's your source for this? I've compared them and the instruments sound identical.

Other peoples' proposals

Hello, it's generally considered good form to wait a week or two (or at least ask) before enacting another user's proposal. I can't exactly edit while I'm at my job, so I couldn't do so within that time frame. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:42, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Oh... I didn't know I had to wait despite the settlement was done on the proposal. Alright, I'll remember next time then. I apologize in advance. --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 23:49, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

Mario Movie music

"Please see my summary in the history, thanks"

Yes, I saw your summary, and I disagreed with it and firmly stand by that disagreement.

For one thing, the two pieces are not all that similar, and this would be an incredibly obscure tune to reference in the Mario movie. Like I said before, if there's any tune from Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, or Mario & Luigi to reference, you'd think they'd pick a much more recognizable one. Something like… the main theme of Origami King would make way more sense if they wanted to make reference to the spinoffs in a different scene. The movie largely sticks with themes from the mainline Mario series. When it does deviate and quote the spinoffs, they tend to just quote main themes (like Luigi's Mansion and Donkey Kong Country). Or in the case of Mario Kart, they quote specific themes that match the current scenario they're in, such as the kart customization and Rainbow Road segments.

Now, I'm not completely denying the possibility. If Brian Tyler comes out and says he's deliberately trying to reference Paper Mario: The Origami King, then fine, I'll concede it. However, as it stands now, there's been no official confirmation, and much of the "evidence" to support this claim is "It's my personal opinion that they're the same." To me, that's not good enough to make the outright declaration that this soundtrack is directly referencing anything, as any opinion stating the opposite can very easily invalidate it. Hence, it's better to just leave it out for now.

- Mario54671

After some consideration a bit more from reading your reply to me on here, I decided to agree with everything you said now, after all I did let it go with GBA Riverside Park's potential motifs out no problem. Sorry if it sounded like I came to you in a very snarky way the way my tone may seem or sound from my response to you, I've decided to just let it go for the time being, I will admit that I do get a little bit defensive when people conflict with my edits even when I factual give enough good evidence, which happened to me in the past, I will wait until Brian Tyler says something about that "scary" track even though I never expected Wario's Battle Canyon to be added to the track even if the Mario Party series is more closer to the mainline games anyway and a bit obscure to go with for a random Mario Party track like that one, the difference being he confirmed that one. I did listen from a podcast that The Super Mario Bros. Movie does not take any liberties from the Mario RPGs which I can understand you more now. --KingGeoshiKoopshi64 (talk) 00:28, April 26, 2023 (EDT)

RE: Shady Koopas vs. Underground Koopas

I was going to explain the edit after I was done for the day but didn't have time. If you want someone to understand the point you're trying to get across, I would suggest not writing a giant wall of really hard-to-read text expecting them to have the time to read it all. From what I can tell, it seems like you're just overanalysing and reaching in trying to find a connection between the Shady Koopas and underground Koopas without it being as obvious as the Gloombas and underground Goombas, when the point behind the edit was that the Koopas look similar, when they clearly don't () in the same way the Goombas do (). Even if it's possible they intended for it to be what a Koopa looks like in shade, it could have been a design separate from underground Koopas since they hardly look similar. If its shell was as dark as the Gloombas and it had darker skin as opposed to paler/desaturated-coloured skin (I disagree it would have blended in with the collar and sunglasses), then I'd agree it'd look similar or even be a reference. The SSBU Piranha Plant costume similarity is notable because they would have likely based any of the seven alternate costumes on something (as most costumes are), and the underground Piranha Plants would be the closest. Mario JC 22:44, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

RE: MKSC Peach's Castle

Your listing of the differences between them is exactly why it doesn't make sense to compare them, when the similarities you're describing are already common traits in its other appearances (with some minor differences because not every design is going to look exactly the same), including Paper Mario - if anything, it's more based on this design, especially with the central tower, both games being by the same developer and given its appearance on Rainbow Road. Obviously it would be based on the SM64 design in some way (since that was the design's first appearance), so it's not worth noting to say that. Mario JC 23:21, May 27, 2023 (EDT)

Then it should be the icon image being compared, not the background image. Going back to the latter, you're using the MKDS image as reference and not the original Super Circuit one. There are also differences between it and the SM64 boxart as you've pointed out, more than Paper Mario in fact (MKSC's windows are closed unlike the boxart, while it has blue flags like PM, and it's hard to tell what the design above the door depicts), so why is the boxart being compared here? I now realise after looking over the castle's appearances it has the trapezium roof (not hexagonal) and tower bases that weren't commonly used at the time, but I still don't think it makes sense saying it's based on the boxart as a whole (again, if anything, "as a whole" it would be more Paper Mario). Either way, the specifics should be covered on the actual castle's article. Mario JC 11:32, May 28, 2023 (EDT)