User talk:Fizzle
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RE: Sprites
Hi. About the sprites, the actual size of a game rip is always better. Even though they are harder to see on pages, they are much more accurate. The ones you uploaded, making them bigger weren't any better quality at all; they were just enlarged versions. And besides, the sprites aren't that tiny. I can see the image on the left perfectly fine. Sorry if I reverted your images; this is just a standard here. Actual sprites are preferred over modified versions.
- I think Tamara looks okay. Anyway, if you don't agree with all this, feel free to make a proposal.
Shokora (talk · edits) 17:47, 6 January 2013 (EST)
Japanese names
Do you know for a fact that those enemies are never given names because there is a nintendo power guide for SMBL2. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
- I don't really know about the Nintendo Power guide all I know is the wiki says one exists but if you've tried and failed to find one then I guess it's alright to change the names (I was mostly thrown off because they didn't have the conjectural tag on them). Also remember to update the species and enemies list to account for these changes. Marshal Dan Troop (talk)
Jap names
Hey again. Nice job finding those SML2 enemy names. I'm just wondering, are you able to find Virtual Boy Wario Land enemy/boss names? Take a look at the article talk page.
- Please please do your best to find the VBWL names. I've ripped sprites for all the enemies/bosses and I was planning to write articles for each one, but first I want to try to get the official names. Seriously, if you get these names you'd be a legend in my eyes.
- Thanks! And in case you're wondering, that was an accident. I was trying to mark the edit as patrolled, but clicked the wrong link :P
- Thanks for finding some of those VBWL Japanese names. But did you manage to find ones for other enemies? More specifically, the ones which don't have an artwork?
Shokora (talk · edits) 10:02, 8 January 2013 (EST)
Virtual Boy Wario Land
Alright, thanks anyway. On the template, the boss names there aren't official. I just made up names for those just to keep them there until I collected the info/sprites for their articles. They aren't named in the manual, but thanks for your suggestions. What I did manage to find recently though is a Nintendo Power scan from 1995. It doesn't really have specific names for the bosses, but it refers to the first boss as a "reptile" and "dragon". It also refers to the third boss as a "tank" (not a pot, as I originally thought it was). If you wanted to see the scans, I could uploaded them. Nintendo Power was an official magazine in 1995, so those subtle descriptions are very valuable.
Thanks again for the help. I've actually just sent an e-mail to Nintendo of America to see if they are able to provide the names. It's a long shot, but it was successful before back in 2009, when some users requested Wario Land II enemy names. Anyway, keep up the great work with the SML2 enemies.
- Hey Fizzle. Nintendo America replied. I posted the exact message here. They were unable to provide me with all of the enemy names, but they were able to find the boss names, as well as two "mini-bosses" which are thought of as enemies. I'll have the articles created under those titles. And if you still wanted the Nintendo Power scans, you will find the VBWL review in Volume 79, December 1995. Pages 36-45.
- Yep, I was lucky to get someone good. I replied to say thanks, but I got another person and they said "We are glad that Brian was able to help you...", etc. I don't think I can reach the same guy, as the address that a reply sends to is nintendo@noa.nintendo.com
If you wanted to try your luck as well with the SML2 enemies, just go here and fill out the form.
- Yep, I was lucky to get someone good. I replied to say thanks, but I got another person and they said "We are glad that Brian was able to help you...", etc. I don't think I can reach the same guy, as the address that a reply sends to is nintendo@noa.nintendo.com
- Alright, good luck! And if Nintendo employees edited here, I bet that would make us an official wiki.
Shokora (talk · edits) 21:41, 16 January 2013 (EST)
Sources
I've noticed that you've moved a lot of articles from conjectural names to Japanese names, such as Dōryī. For future convenience, what is your source for them? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- Ah, the Super Mario Daijiten. While I'm not well-versed with the source, I know that there have been a few people who discussed using it as a source, mostly because it, like ourselves, is also a fansite, and it being right on a few occasions doesn't necessarily mean that it's right on every occasion. If the names can't 100% be backed up by a guide or another official source, it might be best at least some of them to be moved back: having a jumble of English and Japanese names is hard to navigate, especially when searching for them and whatnot. At the very least to keep them in mind, do you happen to remember which enemies you've made name changes to? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- Well, the main point of contention is having English conjectural names versus Japanese maybe-conjectural names. This is an English wiki and a large portion of its readers are suited more to English, so having some foreign names that aren't confirmed could mean that we have a bunch of conjectural names that are hard to search for and link to and that a lot of readers wouldn't understand. Naturally, having names in English makes things more convenient, but if the Japanese names are definitely official, nobody complains about moving the articles. Since I don't speak Japanese, I'll take your word for the photos. Do you happen to have access to other photos that could be used to immediately confirm some of the wiki's names? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
As the « SOME guy » who started that thread about the Dajistsen, I figure I might expand my reasoning for why I think citing sources like that is questionable :
1: It’s the principle of it. You don’t cite fansites as if they’re official sources, because they’re not, just as you don’t cite Wikipedia for serious research papers (unless in very specific circumstances, like if the subject of an article say things on its Wikipedia talk, but that’s not really relevant in this situation). You cite what Wikipedia cites, not Wikipedia itself.
2: Reliability. We’ve had a guy move pages to names found on the Japanese Wikipedia, with no further evidence, based on the same reasoning that “Well, it’s generally accurate”, and then another member showed that the jp Wikipedia, shockingly, also hosted inaccuracies and misinformation. Now granted, that site you linked to may have higher accuracy standards than fucking Wikipedia, but, you see where I’m going with this?
3: As said above, this is an English Wiki and in a situation with a conjectural name and a Japanese name that could mebbe perhaps be the real one, it’s still preferable to go with the English one for accessibility sake if there’s no actual evidence the Japanese name is official. F urthermore (and I’m speaking 100% personally here), a random mix of English and Japanese names often looks odd and ugly – look at this old revision of the DK64 page. It’s especially stupid-looking in the case of western-developed games. It can’t be avoided if an official JP name is found, but if it can be avoided, well…
I also resent the notion “Well you should’ve done you research and do the extreme simple task of researching obscure strategy guides on Japanese auction sites”. It's the mover's burden to proove a name is official - not for someone to prove it isn't. I’m getting flashbacks to that time where someone hounded me because the Wario Land 4 enemies didn’t have the TRUE JAPANESE GUIDE NAMES, J.C. --Glowsquid (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
"I feel it's better to have nearly accurate names than conjectural names simply pulled out of thin air (which we know are inaccurate already). "
That's where we disagree methink. Having a conjectural name is a transparent admission that "yeah we don't know what this thing's name is, but we can't have a page without a name" (or, "we know it's fake", no amniguity) while having a "nearly accurate" naem as you put it still leaves a doubt, that it could be wrong, but with the way it is presented to the reader, that fact is not made explicit. even if you're right 99% of the time, people will fixate on the 1% that isn't.
If the source has shown itself to be consistently reliable, like the Dajitsen apparently has, then yeah I suppose it could be used as a source for the Foreigname template at the very least. but I really feel it should be a last resort kind of thing. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
