The 'Shroom:Issue XXXIII/Director Election/Debate I
This is the basic summary of what happened on the director's debate Wednesday December 16th at 8:00 PM (EST).
01:07:12 <Tucayo>: Hello, welcome
01:07:19 <Tucayo>: You cant talk, soryy
01:07:45 <Tucayo>: Gameserv will spin
01:08:02 <Tucayo>: And in the user he choices will ask a Q
01:08:13 <Tucayo>: That user says who does he want to ask to
01:08:18 <ralphfan>: OK
01:08:19 <Tucayo>: You can pass if you dont want to ask
01:08:34 <Tucayo>: `spin
01:08:34 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:08:34 <GameServ>: St00b|Shroom!
01:08:37 <Tucayo>: :)
01:08:40 <Tucayo>: Stooby
01:08:49 <Tucayo>: Ask a question to other candidate
01:08:53 <St00b|Shroom>: OK.
01:09:08 <St00b|Shroom>: SMB
01:10:06 <St00b|Shroom>: What exactly to you plan to award writers with, and what do they have to do to be awarded?
01:10:29 <St00b|Shroom>: I know you mentioned promotions on chat, but I was hoping for something more specific. :)
01:11:07 <SMB{ShroomDebate}>: Well
01:11:25 <SMB>: I want to have ceremonies in the forum.
01:11:30 <SMB>: That is one example.
01:11:46 <St00b|Shroom>: What kind of ceremonies?
01:11:55 <St00b|Shroom>: Sounds interesting.
01:12:19 <SMB>: Some of the ceremonies would be for a special issue. Another would be held just to celebrate our writers.
01:12:42 <SMB>: Giving awards to them, honorary mentions, etc. (almost like the Mario Awards)
01:12:53 <St00b|Shroom>: Cool.
01:12:58 <Tucayo>: Ok, enough question time
01:13:02 <Tucayo>: Next user
01:13:06 <Tucayo>: `spin
01:13:06 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:13:06 <GameServ>: Tucayo!
01:13:11 <Tucayo>: Good :)
01:13:18 <Tucayo>: Can I ask both candidates?
01:13:24 <SMB>: Yes.
01:13:32 <Tucayo>: Sure, to both
01:13:44 <Tucayo>: I know activity isnt one of your strong points
01:14:02 <Tucayo>: SMB, I recall you saying that your activity was going to decrease
01:14:07 <Tucayo>: And Stooby
01:14:27 <Tucayo>: You tend to go incative for some periods of time, your activity isnt the same of that of a eyar ago
01:14:37 <Tucayo>: Doyou think you will have the time to direct the Shroom?
01:15:02 <St00b|Shroom>: Well, now that I'm retired from Userpedia andit's forums, I'll have more time to dedicate to The 'Shroom.
01:15:39 <SMB>: As for me,
01:15:44 <Tucayo>: Still, your activity in the wiki isnt the same as it used to be. Youa re not seen there very often, am i right?
01:15:52 <Tucayo>: Wait a sec, pelase SMB :)
01:15:56 <SMB>: Okay. :P
01:16:57 <St00b|Shroom>: Tucayo: I'm still on every day.
01:17:11 <St00b|Shroom>: I'm just having a bit of an editor's block, so my editing has gone downhill.
01:17:23 <St00b|Shroom>: But I still am on for about 8 hours a day. :)
01:17:30 <Tucayo>: Wow, impressive
01:17:32 <Tucayo>: SMB?
01:17:34 <St00b|Shroom>: And when I go back to college, I should be able to keep it around 4 hours.
01:17:52 <Tucayo>: Ok, thats good
01:17:52 <SMB>: Well, with my situation, it was basically the same.
01:18:01 <SMB>: UP was taking up a lot of my time.
01:18:42 <SMB>: Now that I don't have to make any obligations to UP (save for The Disconnected, which I will set the release dates as not to interfere with each other), I can devote my time to The 'Shroom.
01:19:11 <SMB>: Although I don't edit every day
01:20:04 <Tucayo>: Hmmm Directing 2 papers, though
01:20:15 <SMB>: Although I don't edit every day, I still check during my lunch break at school, when I get home. I also check the forum during and after school, and frequent the chatroom every day.
01:20:42 <Tucayo>: Ok
01:20:47 <Tucayo>: Next question
01:21:17 <Tucayo>: `spin
01:21:17 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:21:17 <GameServ>: MG1!
01:21:22 <MG1>: Yay :D
01:21:23 <Tucayo>: MG1!
01:21:48 <MG1>: St00b already asked the question I had in mind first so...
01:22:10 <MG1>: What would you do if writers submitted their sections late?
01:22:26 <SMB>: Which candidate are you asking? And who answers first?
01:22:37 <MG1>: Hm...all three :D
01:22:43 <Tucayo>: Ok, who first?
01:22:47 <MG1>: Tucky - St00b - SMB
01:22:52 <SMB>: Okay.
01:22:52 <Tucayo>: KK
01:23:05 <Tucayo>: Well, I already have experience as Shroom director
01:23:11 <Tucayo>: So, for next year
01:23:49 <Tucayo>: So if they send them late, I will talk to them
01:24:04 <Tucayo>: Sometimes, users just disappear from the wiki
01:24:12 <Tucayo>: Those are getting fired inmediatly
01:24:28 <Tucayo>: If its their first time and they told me in advance, I will give them a chance
01:24:57 <Tucayo>: If its the second time they miss it they will be fired, unless they have a really food reason
01:25:20 <Tucayo>: *good XD
01:25:27 <Tucayo>: Is it clear?
01:25:40 <MG1>: Yes
01:25:58 <Tucayo>: Stooby?
01:26:53 <St00b|Shroom>: Like Tucayo said, if someone gives me notice that they're section is going to be late, then I'll cut them a little slack.
01:27:03 <St00b|Shroom>: But, this isn't something I'll tolerate for months on end.
01:27:35 <St00b|Shroom>: If someone just blatantly forgets to send in their section, then I'll fire them.
01:27:37 <St00b|Shroom>: End of story.
01:27:58 <Tucayo>: Ok
01:27:58 <St00b|Shroom>: I know it sounds harsh, but the best way to keep The 'Shroom looking good is to have good writers that send in their sections on time.
01:27:59 <Tucayo>: SMB
01:28:07 <SMB>: Okay.
01:29:27 <SMB>: My policy is kind of on par with St00b's and Tucayo's. I will allow a writer to miss a whole issue non-excused once and only once. Maybe they just forgot, they are only human, and I cannot expect people to be perfect. I will allow two excused times, and will allow them to submit it late two times with or without an excuse.
01:30:02 <SMB>: Any more than what that says above, and they will be fired.
01:30:08 <MG1>: OK
01:30:20 <MG1>: Let's spin ze bottle!
01:30:23 <Tucayo>: Ok
01:30:29 <Tucayo>: `spin
01:30:29 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:30:29 <GameServ>: tac0bell89!
01:30:52 <Tucayo>: ask your question to any candidate you awnt
01:30:54 <MG1>: tac0bell89: Ask a question to one of our contestants
01:30:59 <tac0bell89>: OK
01:31:29 <tac0bell89>: If made director, what exactly would you do to keep the 'Shroom maintained and all articles in on time?
01:31:42 <tac0bell89>: to all
01:31:45 <SMB>: Who should answer first?
01:31:52 <tac0bell89>: I say SMB
01:31:58 <tac0bell89>: Because you aske
01:32:02 <tac0bell89>: asked*
01:32:06 <SMB>: :) Thanks.
01:32:09 <SMB>: Let me see...
01:33:49 <SMB>: As I said above, I would do my best to keep users turning in their sections on time. I expect it to be understandable and able to read. I will have back-up sections written in the case that one of the users does not turn it in. I would like to have full, quality issues to be released.
01:33:52 <SMB>: That said,
01:34:49 <SMB>: I will make sure that I have at least two Editors-In-Chief to make sure that all grammar, wiki coding, and other technical aspects of The 'Shroom such as these all up to date and correct.
01:35:14 <tac0bell89>: awesome
01:35:23 <ralphfan>: Permission to ask a follow-up question to SMB?
01:35:28 <tac0bell89>: go for it
01:35:31 <Tucayo>: Who next?
01:35:41 <MG1>: ralphfan: Wait your turn
01:35:46 <tac0bell89>: After his question, Tucayo, again because you asked
01:36:00 <ralphfan>: OK
01:36:08 <Tucayo>: Well
01:36:17 <Tucayo>: I would send the shroomwarnings 10 days before, as I now do, and ask the writers to send me their sections 2 days before the issue. Also, we have our EIC to check and correct al possible flaws in a section.
01:36:26 <tac0bell89>: wait your turn I suppose
01:36:57 <tac0bell89>: very nice
01:37:00 <Tucayo>: Thats it basically :)
01:37:08 <Tucayo>: OH!
01:37:13 <MG1>: Um...St00b's turn
01:37:20 <Tucayo>: And I will remind them 5 days before if they havent sent them yet
01:37:21 <tac0bell89>: yes it is
01:37:28 <tac0bell89>: ok nice
01:37:39 <Tucayo>: St00b|shroom: you are up
01:37:55 <MG1>: He's probably writing his answer
01:38:17 <Tucayo>: Ok, lets wait for him
01:38:22 <St00b|Shroom>: Well, I plan to send out reminders 10 days in advance, so users have a leg up...
01:38:53 <St00b|Shroom>: I also plan to encourage users to send in their sections on time, and remind them that doing so will result in getting awarded. :)
01:39:12 <St00b|Shroom>: If members have something to look forward to, they may be more apt to send in their sections on time.
01:39:12 <tac0bell89>: Awarded with what. though?
01:39:29 <tac0bell89>: true
01:39:44 <St00b|Shroom>: Badges to put on their userpage, an honorary mention in the Director's Notes.
01:39:46 <St00b|Shroom>: Things like that.
01:39:56 <tac0bell89>: Ok, gotcha
01:40:06 <Tucayo>: Done Tacobell?
01:40:15 <tac0bell89>: Yep
01:40:22 <Tucayo>: Thanks :)
01:40:23 <SMB>: Okay then.
01:40:26 <Tucayo>: `spin voice
01:40:26 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:40:26 <GameServ>: MG1!
01:40:30 <MG1>: YES!
01:40:30 <Tucayo>: didnt work
01:40:33 <Tucayo>: Ok mg1
01:40:41 <Tucayo>: Ask anyone you want
01:40:54 <MG1>: OK, why are you (all) running for director; what's your motivation?
01:41:07 <Tucayo>: Who first, pelase?
01:41:12 <MG1>: Alphabetical
01:41:21 <St00b|Shroom>: OK.
01:41:26 <SMB>: Tucky, SMB, and St00b
01:41:30 <SMB>: Er wait'
01:41:32 <MG1>: ???
01:41:32 <SMB>: Whoops
01:41:32 <Tucayo>: That makes, uuuuuu
01:41:36 <Tucayo>: A
01:41:38 <SMB>: St00b, SMB, Tucky :P
01:41:39 <Tucayo>: me last
01:41:42 <Tucayo>: no
01:41:45 <SMB>: Er wait
01:41:47 <Tucayo>: you first XD
01:41:49 <SMB>: Darn it.
01:41:51 <MG1>: SMB, St00b, Tucky
01:41:54 <Tucayo>: yes XD
01:41:55 <ralphfan>: Yup
01:41:58 <SMB>: :blush:
01:42:02 <SMB>: Anyway :P
01:42:14 <St00b|Shroom>: I noticed that under Blitz's rule, the 'Shroom took a major downfall. Tucayo did a lot to make it better, but I want to make it even better than that.
01:42:28 <St00b|Shroom>: I want The 'Shroom to reflect the best it can upon the wiki, so it's considered one of the best community projects on the site.
01:42:46 <St00b|Shroom>: I guess it's a matter of wanting The 'Shroom to be respected again.
01:43:46 <MG1>: OK, St00b: Done?
01:43:49 <St00b|Shroom>: Yep.
01:43:53 <MG1>: SMB
01:43:57 <SMB>: Okay.
01:45:50 <SMB>: My motivation for running for Director is... Well, what other than to improve the quality? As St00b said above, The 'Shroom used to have a respect given to it from users that it doesn't receive today. Check this (you don't have to go through every revision, I have already done so):
01:45:56 <SMB>: http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=history
01:46:26 <SMB>: I went through almost all of the revisions, and almost every edit made to that page had to do with The 'Shroom.
01:46:36 <Tucayo>: My turn?
01:46:41 <SMB>: Not done.
01:46:51 <SMB>: It was given appropriate attention that it deserves.
01:47:27 <SMB>: As we start losing users who were back when it was created, it lost its magic.
01:48:49 <SMB>: Many look at it now as something to take for granted. It was one of the most successful projects of its time, and now we don't even have the respect!
01:49:47 <SMB>: Something needs to be done, and I will do everything in my power and term as director to bring The 'Shroom rise up, come back to, and go above and beyond the quality and presence it had in the community.
01:50:09 <SMB>: And now we may move on to Tucky ;)
01:50:13 <MG1>: OK, last but not least, Tucayo!
01:50:22 <Tucayo>: Thanks :)
01:50:23 <MG1>: Just hit enter :P
01:50:23 <Tucayo>: Wel, my motivation is that I love The 'Shroom, I always try to make it something interesting for our users, and to make it something so users can relax of the daily stress. I joined the wiki because of The 'Shroom, I stayed in The wiki because of it, and if I win, that will make me stay another year
01:50:27 <Tucayo>: :)
01:50:33 <Tucayo>: ALSO
01:50:36 <MG1>: I knew you had it ready that whole time
01:50:43 <SMB>: :P
01:50:57 <Tucayo>: This year I made a Special Election, which I think managed to attract the attention of many users
01:51:09 <Tucayo>: This year, if I am elected, I will do the same, but better
01:51:10 <Tucayo>: ALSO
01:51:44 <Tucayo>: As a sysop, I wil try to get The 'Shroom to have a mroe important place in the wiki, like announcing it more, and making it something primary in the wiki
01:51:47 <Tucayo>: Thanks :)
01:51:56 <SMB>: Might I interject?
01:52:03 <Tucayo>: Sure SMB
01:52:14 <Tucayo>: Thats what debates are for :)
01:53:42 <SMB>: No offense to any point you made, but I think that having Sysop on the wiki that you run the 'Shroom on does not give you more potential than a Patroller or regular user (I don't mean to offend or oppose your Sysophood, I'm actually glad you got promoted ;) ), but I feel that as a non-Sysop, I could still do my best to give it more attention.
01:54:29 <Tucayo>: I know, but as a regular user and a patroller I experienced its difficult to advertise properly when you need a sysop help to edit many pages
01:54:38 <Tucayo>: *difficulty
01:54:52 <Tucayo>: You had to ask for another sysop, which made things slow
01:55:39 <SMB>: Then I will get a Sysop sub-director, or advertise in the forum and chatroom, as well as on Template:PipePlaza.
01:56:05 <Tucayo>: Ok, that will be easy
01:56:18 <Tucayo>: considering the other 2 candiadtes are sysops
01:56:45 <SMB>: <@Tucayo> considering the other 2 candiadtes are sysops
01:56:50 <SMB>: Expand on this please.
01:57:13 <Tucayo>: Ok, if you need a sysop sub-director you can easily get one
01:57:37 <Tucayo>: Ok, im done
01:57:46 <MG1>: So, same order, you guys are running for SD /only/ (tell the truth) because you want to see the shroom improve?
01:57:57 <St00b|Shroom>: Yes.
01:58:01 <Tucayo>: Yes
01:58:02 <SMB>: Yes.
01:58:06 <MG1>: Mhm
01:58:06 <Tucayo>: Next Q
01:58:13 <MG1>: SPIN ZE BOTTLE
01:58:23 <Tucayo>: `spin
01:58:23 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
01:58:23 <GameServ>: St00b|Shroom!
01:58:28 <Tucayo>: Stooby boy!
01:58:54 <St00b|Shroom>: OK, let me think.
01:58:58 <Tucayo>: KK
01:59:56 <St00b|Shroom>: The 'Shroom is the official paper of the /Mario/Wiki. Do you think it should be more Mario- related, and if so, what would you do to make it that way?
02:00:03 <MG1>: Who asking?
02:00:24 <St00b|Shroom>: Tucayo, then SMB.
02:00:42 <Tucayo>: Ok
02:00:46 <Tucayo>: As you know
02:01:30 <Tucayo>: I always opposed the "become more wiki focused" thing
02:01:40 <Tucayo>: I know perhaps people wont like me for this
02:01:43 <Tucayo>: But
02:01:49 <MG1>: Ohno
02:02:03 <Tucayo>: The 'Shroom is fine they way it is now (not as fine as I could wish)
02:02:17 <Tucayo>: I would try to find the perfect balance between everything
02:02:28 <Tucayo>: based on the community's opinion
02:02:32 <Tucayo>: Done
02:02:36 <SMB>: Okay.
02:02:41 <MG1>: SMB?
02:04:13 <MG1>: Long answer...
02:04:26 <Tucayo>: Lets wait, he is here
02:04:59 <SMB>: In my honest opinion, I feel The 'Shroom should have a lot more Mario-related content as well as Wiki-related content. We are the /Mario/Wiki newspaper and the Mario/Wiki/ newspaper. If they want to add things about users, they can go to Userpedia (save for the interviews, as this is more community oriented). It will keep The 'Shroom managable and more on-topic, which is an important issue that needs to be put in check.
02:04:59 <MG1>: Well, I'm not asking...
02:05:25 <Tucayo>: Done SMB?
02:05:28 <SMB>: Yes.
02:05:33 <St00b|Shroom>: Cool. Thank you both. :)
02:05:34 <Tucayo>: Ok St00by, you fine?
02:05:37 <Tucayo>: Ok :)
02:05:39 <Tucayo>: Next
02:07:27 <Tucayo>: `spin
02:07:27 * GameServ spins the bottle for Tucayo and it lands on...
02:07:27 <GameServ>: Edofenrir!
02:07:29 <Tucayo>: EDO
02:07:31 <MG1>: OK!
02:07:37 <Edofenrir>: Yay, I win :P
02:07:38 <SMB>: XD
02:07:38 <Tucayo>: ¬¬'
02:07:42 <MG1>: Lol
02:07:43 <Tucayo>: Hi Edo :D
02:08:15 <Edofenrir>: Ok, a question to all three (in order: Tucayo, Stooben, SMB)
02:08:21 <Tucayo>: Ok :)
02:08:40 <MG1>: (reverse-alphabetical)
02:08:44 <Edofenrir>: In the past I have seen some Shroom sections that were written in, well, not so good quality...
02:08:51 <Edofenrir>: My question is:
02:09:19 <Edofenrir>: What are your plans about maintaining a good and qualitative writing style?
02:09:26 <Tucayo>: Well
02:09:44 <Tucayo>: First, we hired an EIC (which is inactive and got many users angry, BTW)
02:09:54 <Tucayo>: No comments, pelase
02:10:14 <Tucayo>: next, we are currently interviewing any uesr who wants to sign up
02:10:29 <Tucayo>: Making sure they have the level to write for The 'Shroom
02:10:53 <Tucayo>: So I think this system is fine
02:11:05 <Tucayo>: Is it fine Edo?
02:11:09 <Edofenrir>: Ok.
02:11:18 <Tucayo>: :)
02:11:23 <Tucayo>: Stooby, please
02:11:25 <St00b|Shroom>: Tucayo, you stole my answer. :(
02:11:34 <MG1>: Just say Per Tucky
02:11:38 <St00b|Shroom>: That was pretty much everything I had to say.
02:11:51 <St00b|Shroom>: Fine then. "Per Tucky".
02:11:56 <MG1>: :D
02:12:04 <MG1>: SuperMB?
02:12:08 <SMB>: Well
02:12:17 <SMB>: I am split on the issue of interviewing.
02:12:36 <SMB>: And here is why: It might turn users off and can perhaps insult their intellegence.
02:12:54 <Edofenrir>: Could you elaborate this?
02:13:03 * Tucayo wants to ask something to SMB
02:13:15 <MG1>: Tucayo: Wait until he elaborates - then ask
02:13:24 <SMB>: I am ellaborating, just give me a bit of time to get my points across.
02:13:31 <Edofenrir>: ok
02:14:12 <ralphfan>: Enough
02:14:17 <Tucayo>: NO
02:14:24 <SMB>: While interviewing filters what users come in and out, they can easily be misinterperated. It can also filter out those who have potential, but possibly have other styles of writing or perhaps filter out those who don't speak English as a first language.
02:14:41 <SMB>: If I don't include interviews
02:15:41 <SMB>: Then I will have quality back-up sections prepared by me and/or my Core Staff to hand out. I will also try my best to work with users who don't exactly write quality sections (perhaps bad grammar or insufficient knowledge of coding).
02:16:04 <Edofenrir>: ok
02:16:08 <SMB>: And give them tips, pointers, and perhaps help fix up their sections.
02:16:21 <Edofenrir>: Tucayo's question?
02:16:21 <Tucayo>: Can I ask him sth?
02:16:25 <Tucayo>: Thanks
02:17:27 <Tucayo>: Well, actually, how can interviews be an insult to their inteligence? Also, for foreign users, I ahev checked their page to see they are english native speakers. Also, core staff cant back up ALL sections missed, they wont have time
02:17:48 <SMB>: Okay. I see your point.
02:18:25 <SMB>: Give me a second, please don't interupt me. :P
02:19:39 <SMB>: Interviews can easily insult their intellegence. I am not going to name anyone *ahem*MG1*ahem* (sorry to mention you, but you are a good example). He literally begged me not to be interviewd because it insulted his intellegence and motives as a user. We can easily tell by, for example, editing styles or whatnot to see if they are good.
02:19:40 <SMB>: ALSO
02:20:20 <SMB>: Why filter the bad writers out?
02:20:24 <SMB>: When:
02:20:34 <St00b|Shroom>: Let him finish.
02:20:36 <SMB>: This can be an experience that helps improve their writing skills?
02:20:45 <SMB>: To help their coding skills?
02:21:03 <SMB>: I know that when I joined the wiki, I didn't know anything about coding.
02:21:16 <SMB>: (this is back in 2008, not when I returned in 2009).
02:21:33 <SMB>: And even when I returned, my coding skills were not as good as they are now.
02:21:44 <SMB>: I attribute a lot of this to The 'Shroom itself.
02:22:14 <SMB>: I learned a lot from being on The 'Shroom, and filtering out those users who are not fit for the job (by our standards) can easily be a mistake.
02:22:57 <Tucayo>: I have a word for you, Sandbox
02:23:05 <SMB>: Yeah
02:23:10 <SMB>: But the sandbox is a page.
02:23:37 <Tucayo>: But users can learn coding there
02:23:41 <Tucayo>: Or in their page
02:23:44 <Tucayo>: I learned tehre
02:23:46 <SMB>: The 'Shroom is full of people that can actually help teach.
02:24:07 <SMB>: Besides, can the sandbox tell them how to improve?
02:24:20 <Tucayo>: We wont hire any user we find just because "its an oportunity to help their coding skills"
02:24:26 <Tucayo>: They should experiiment on their own
02:24:32 <SMB>: Can it jump out and say "Hey, use 'than' instead of 'then'"?
02:24:41 <St00b|Shroom>: Gonna have to agree with Tucayo here.
02:24:52 <SMB>: They CAN experiment on their own
02:24:54 <Tucayo>: Most of our writers do not even use coding in their sections
02:24:59 <Tucayo>: Stooby has seen it
02:25:01 <SMB>: But what did The 'Shroom do years ago?
02:25:01 <St00b|Shroom>: Papers in real life require you to have excellent grammar and writing skills.
02:25:19 <St00b|Shroom>: We're not asking for anything spectacular, but we do want something that looks good.
02:25:30 <SMB>: Did The 'Shroom require interviews, say, in 2007 or 2006?
02:25:39 <SMB>: And the sections were still quality.
02:25:49 <Tucayo>: The 3 sections there were
02:25:53 <ralphfan>: May I interject?
02:25:53 <St00b|Shroom>: No, but Wayo fired the bad writers back then.
02:26:02 <Tucayo>: I wasnt here, so i cant know
02:26:04 <Tucayo>: sure Ralph
02:26:07 <SMB>: I will fire those who have no improvement.
02:26:14 <ralphfan>: SMB: There are more users now.
02:26:17 <SMB>: Yes.
02:26:19 <Tucayo>: Over how many months???
02:26:20 <ralphfan>: The 'Shroom is more well-known.
02:26:25 <SMB>: Not really.
02:26:32 <SMB>: Disagree with ya there, dude.
02:26:34 <ralphfan>: There have been a lot of inexperienced users who have signed up.
02:26:48 <Edofenrir>: I think the question is: Do you want the Shroom to be a newspaper that entertains people, or an extended Sandbox that helps users to improve. To have both is hardly possible.
02:26:59 <SMB>: I don't want both.
02:27:06 <SMB>: Well, kind of.
02:27:07 <ralphfan>: Plus, interviews help filter out users who are so much of a simpleton they can't figure out how to use the forum
02:27:11 <Tucayo>: A newspaper of qualtiy
02:27:16 <SMB>: Okay
02:27:23 <SMB>: Let me say this:
02:27:28 <Tucayo>: Interviews were your idea SMB
02:27:42 <SMB>: I'm sure the director has the competence to fire/hire those who deserve.
02:27:57 <Tucayo>: after they did a bad work one issue
02:28:03 <St00b|Shroom>: And if we have a bunch of bad writers, the director will have to fire them all.
02:28:09 <SMB>: Which is why there would be back-ups!
02:28:22 <St00b|Shroom>: It saves time and effort to have a simple interview with users.
02:28:26 <Tucayo>: Yes
02:28:31 <Tucayo>: No need for back ups
02:28:34 <Tucayo>: Check
02:28:34 <St00b|Shroom>: Real jobs, and even real volunteer jobs haev interviews.
02:28:34 <SMB>: Actually
02:28:35 <Tucayo>: http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Sandbox
02:28:40 <Tucayo>: most edits are for coding
02:28:46 <SMB>: Tucayo: Yet again, I disagree.
02:28:53 <SMB>: On the "No back-up" part.
02:29:12 <Tucayo>: Who will back up?
02:29:14 <SMB>: I said I am borderline on Interviews, BTw. I never said I was full-out against.
02:29:17 <SMB>: Also
02:29:32 <Tucayo>: We dont even have enough writers to fill in the sections, least we have people for back ups
02:29:33 <SMB>: The Core Staff, of course!
02:29:56 <Tucayo>: Ok, ok
02:30:02 <St00b|Shroom>: Isn't that asking a lot of the Core Staff?
02:30:08 <Tucayo>: we have 19 sections and 4 teams
02:30:09 <SMB>: No.
02:30:13 <St00b|Shroom>: We have a lot of work to do as it is.
02:30:15 <SMB>: It is not too much.
02:30:26 <Tucayo>: usually, 5 sections are late, other 3 not sent in, ad many of the team ones
02:30:35 <St00b|Shroom>: Dumping more work on the Core Staff because users haven't done their work would lead us down a bad path.
02:30:41 <Tucayo>: Will 5 people do QUALTITY back up sections of all that ones??
02:30:45 <SMB>: The team directors will back-up their own sections.
02:30:49 <Tucayo>: I wouldnt like that
02:30:52 <ralphfan>: I'd do as much as I could
02:31:03 <SMB>: I'd try to finish the rest.
02:31:07 <Tucayo>: OK
02:31:10 <Tucayo>: ENOOOOOOOOOOUGH
02:31:14 <Tucayo>: NEXT QUESTION
02:31:17 <ralphfan>: OK!
02:31:18 <ralphfan>: :D
02:31:20 <ralphfan>: My turn?
02:31:23 <Tucayo>: Ralph
02:31:27 <Tucayo>: Thanks Edo
02:31:27 <ralphfan>: OK.
02:31:28 <MG1>: ralphfan: Hit us
02:31:42 <Tucayo>: Quickly, please
02:31:46 <ralphfan>: I want to know a couple of things.
02:32:02 <ralphfan>: First, who else would you guys want to hire as a sub-director?
02:32:04 <ralphfan>: SMB?
02:32:18 <SMB>: Well, I would try to get someone qualified.
02:32:32 <ralphfan>: Like what sort of qualifications
02:32:49 <SMB>: Users who care for The 'Shroom.
02:32:53 <ralphfan>: I see.
02:32:57 <SMB>: Who are dedicated to improving it.
02:33:03 <SMB>: I want experience
02:33:16 <SMB>: Perhaps a current or former Core Staff member.
02:33:24 <MG1>: Lol
02:33:24 <ralphfan>: OK
02:33:27 <SMB>: Maybe a Wiki Admin. Or a user that I know I can trust.
02:33:44 <ralphfan>: St00b? Tucky? Anything to add on to that?
02:33:50 <Tucayo>: I
02:33:50 <SMB>: But I'm not going to do the "Second place default" thing.
02:33:54 <ralphfan>: OK
02:33:58 <Tucayo>: Well
02:33:58 <ralphfan>: Tucky: What
02:34:16 <Tucayo>: I know not many people will want the job, or they wont be responsible enough
02:34:25 <Tucayo>: I will see who is interested and qualified
02:34:29 <ralphfan>: OK
02:34:32 <ralphfan>: Sounds good
02:34:39 <Tucayo>: I worked good with this year's team
02:34:44 <Tucayo>: So thats an option
02:34:48 <Tucayo>: With some changes
02:34:56 <ralphfan>: All right then
02:35:02 <ralphfan>: St00b: Anything else?
02:35:25 <St00b|Shroom>: Pretty much what SMB said.
02:35:45 <Tucayo>: Was that all Ralph?
02:35:55 <ralphfan>: My other question: How often would you offer a feedback survey and what sort of questions would you include in it? For FN, I have specific multiple-choice questions about our writers, as well as open-ended ones.
02:35:56 <ralphfan>: Nope
02:36:09 <ralphfan>: This Survey question is the last one
02:36:10 <SMB>: Who first, Ralph?
02:36:22 <MG1>: Tucky
02:36:23 <ralphfan>: Tucky because he has to go soon
02:36:32 <Tucayo>: Thanks
02:36:50 <Tucayo>: Well, I would make it february and december
02:36:59 <Tucayo>: to see how the 'Shroom improved
02:37:05 <Tucayo>: I saw the FN's Q's
02:37:12 <Tucayo>: o be sicere
02:37:15 <Tucayo>: I didnt like it much
02:37:19 <Tucayo>: Sorry
02:37:24 <ralphfan>: OK
02:37:38 <Tucayo>: But questions like "Who is your least favorite writer" is not a very nice question.
02:37:47 <SMB>: Per that ^^^
02:37:50 <Tucayo>: I saw this year answers
02:37:51 <ralphfan>: I worded it differently, actually, but OK
02:38:00 <Tucayo>: Many users were tired of all the questions
02:38:06 <ralphfan>: I asked who needs the most improvement
02:38:10 <Tucayo>: so something straight aNd short is better
02:38:23 <ralphfan>: OK
02:38:25 <Tucayo>: Stooby? SMB?
02:38:28 <ralphfan>: St00b?
02:38:37 <St00b|Shroom>: I would try to do one every 4 months.
02:38:42 <SMB>: Darn.
02:39:03 <SMB>: Sorry for cutting in. xP
02:39:04 <St00b|Shroom>: It would make sure that the 'Shroom is always up to par with what the community would like,
02:39:58 <ralphfan>: SMB: Anything to add on to what they SAID?
02:40:00 <ralphfan>: *said
02:40:04 <SMB>: Yes.
02:40:26 <SMB>: Basically, I would make it every three months.
02:40:39 <SMB>: But
02:40:48 <SMB>: I would make them official surveys.
02:41:00 <SMB>: On the forum I would have opinion polling every month.
02:41:10 <ralphfan>: All right.
02:41:13 <ralphfan>: Sounds nice.
02:41:14 <SMB>: So that...
02:41:35 <SMB>: I can compare one month's results to the next, and then a milestone to compare it to. ;)
02:41:46 <ralphfan>: That sounds great!
02:41:56 <ralphfan>: Mind if I ask one more thing before we move on?
02:42:01 <SMB>: Definitely.
02:42:09 <SMB>: Really quick, though, St00b.
02:42:21 <SMB>: Since Tucky just left, you are lead op right now.
02:42:27 <SMB>: Go ahead Ralph.
02:42:31 <ralphfan>: St00b: If you had to vote for one of the other candidates, who would you vote for?
02:43:33 <St00b|Shroom>: Well, I already voted for Tucayo.
02:43:42 <St00b|Shroom>: So, I would vote for SMB if I had to vote for someone else.
02:43:52 <ralphfan>: OK
02:44:03 <ralphfan>: Well, I guess that question really didn't work
02:44:11 <SMB>: Lol
02:44:13 <SMB>: Anyway
02:44:23 <SMB>: Let's see if anyone else has questions?
02:44:29 <ralphfan>: I'm done for now
02:44:35 <SMB>: I will voice them in order.
02:44:39 <SMB>: Oh yeah.
02:44:47 <SMB>: Any additional questions?
02:44:58 <MG1>: OK, thank you for coming to our first directorial debate, we would like to express a sincere thank you to our candidates who worked so hard on their answers and to our audience for being patient through the debate.
02:45:00 <MG1>: We will now have a Questions and Answers period where anybody can ask any question to our candidates but, please, try to keep it civil.
