So, are these things alive? Binks 22:33, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Are the Thwomp versions officially named Tox Boxes? If so, no problem. If not, we may want to consider splitting the article into a new page, even if it has a conjectural name. -- Son of Suns (talk) P.S. "Thwomp Box"...perhaps?
Thwomp versions? The Super Mario Galaxy Boxes are the same as the SM64 boxes. Just updated to have a more distinct look. I don't have sources for that statement though. GG445 
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17:24, 6 January 2013 (EST)
"Their name may be intended to sound like 'Toy Box'"? What significance does this "trivia" entry have? I know people commonly mistake "Tox Box" for "Toy Box" upon first reading it, but if these things are toy boxes, they belong in Yume Nikki or some other surreal game of the sort. This item of trivia has no support or relevance to me, so should it be removed? User:8BrickMario
Potential replacement?Edit
I'm not actually suggesting a split, but isn't the SMG one a replacement of the original one? Yes, i know that some returning enemies are off-model, but the two don't even look similar. Well, for the Bomp, it is not drastic either, as the Throwback Galaxy uses it as the Pushy Walls. --
FanOfYoshi 12:28, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- The design was replaced, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the trivia previously suggesting that the enemy itself was replaced. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- Regarding the Bomp, it does look similar, and like i said, the Throwback Galaxy (which is based on Bob Omb Battlefield) used them as the Pushy Walls, so they can stay merged. (perhaps asking to Nintendo would settle thing, but i think it is a dumb idea) --
FanOfYoshi 13:23, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- What do the Prima guides say about them? -- FanOfYoshi 13:31, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- They are called Tox Boxes in the SMG2 Prima guide. TheDarkStar (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- Also called Tox Boxes on the SMG collector's card for them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- As the SMG and SMG2 Tox Boxes are called Tox Boxes they are definitely the same enemies as the Tox Boxes in SM64, they just got redesigned. (Them having different names in different game sections in the Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook is most likely an error due to their different designs, as the Tox Boxes in both games act the same). Doomhiker (talk)
14:29, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- That said, I do wonder which version was used by Shigeru Miyamoto in that interview (it could even have been the nondescript "Onimasu"). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:36, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- @Doomhiker Not necessarily, remember the situation with Tweester. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- @Doc von Schmeltwick True, however one of the main reasons the Tweesters were split is because they had different functions, while these Tox Boxes act exactly the same. Doomhiker (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- Not "exactly," but admittedly much more similar than the Tweesters. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- I've found a scan of two Super Mario Pia pages, and which supports them being separate enemies, note how it doesn't list it in SM64, while they are only listed in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2, supporting them being different enemies, and that the Super Mario Galaxy ones are used as replacement, so this might be a factor for splitting. I considered to ask to Mister Wu, but eventually found scans. I might ask Mister Wu something else for the Pia. -- FanOfYoshi 11:39, 1 March 2019 (EST)
- Also, it's for the same reason we have Rhomp split from Spindel. -- FanOfYoshi 07:36, 3 March 2019 (EST)
- Asked to Mister Wu for the Bomps as well. Onimasukun isn' mentioned. Exactly the same case for Bomp. It might indicate that the Throwback Galaxy used them as a replacement rather than a redesign (unlike Spiked Fun Guy which has the same Japanese name as Pokey). -- FanOfYoshi 02:03, 4 March 2019 (EST)
- He also specifically told you that due to many similar cases (namely the "big" enemies), that the author was very likely just given the current names to work with without Nintendo giving knowledge of name changes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:35, 4 March 2019 (EST)
- Asked to Mister Wu for the Bomps as well. Onimasukun isn' mentioned. Exactly the same case for Bomp. It might indicate that the Throwback Galaxy used them as a replacement rather than a redesign (unlike Spiked Fun Guy which has the same Japanese name as Pokey). --
- Also, it's for the same reason we have Rhomp split from Spindel. --
- I've found a scan of two Super Mario Pia pages, and which supports them being separate enemies, note how it doesn't list it in SM64, while they are only listed in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2, supporting them being different enemies, and that the Super Mario Galaxy ones are used as replacement, so this might be a factor for splitting. I considered to ask to Mister Wu, but eventually found scans. I might ask Mister Wu something else for the Pia. --
- Not "exactly," but admittedly much more similar than the Tweesters. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- @Doc von Schmeltwick True, however one of the main reasons the Tweesters were split is because they had different functions, while these Tox Boxes act exactly the same. Doomhiker (talk)
- As the SMG and SMG2 Tox Boxes are called Tox Boxes they are definitely the same enemies as the Tox Boxes in SM64, they just got redesigned. (Them having different names in different game sections in the Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook is most likely an error due to their different designs, as the Tox Boxes in both games act the same). Doomhiker (talk)
- Also called Tox Boxes on the SMG collector's card for them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- They are called Tox Boxes in the SMG2 Prima guide. TheDarkStar (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- What do the Prima guides say about them? --
- Regarding the Bomp, it does look similar, and like i said, the Throwback Galaxy (which is based on Bob Omb Battlefield) used them as the Pushy Walls, so they can stay merged. (perhaps asking to Nintendo would settle thing, but i think it is a dumb idea) --
Do they even look similar? -- FanOfYoshi 14:30, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
- There are some one-off similarities, at least if you're observant enough to spot them.
(T|C) 15:22, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
- The only similarity between the two is that they are boxes with faces on each side within one Mario can go in. Otherwise, they don't even look similar. -- FanOfYoshi 03:59, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
- They act the same, though, aside from the latter one doing a slight hop before backtracking. They seem to be more a comprehensive redesign with a slight name change to have theme naming with Thwomp than a true "replacement." Besides, "they look nothing alike" isn't an outstanding argument by itself when there are some very odd redesigns in the franchise. Just look at what Thwomp, Cheep Cheep, and Pokey have been through, to say nothing of the Sunshine versions of enemies in general. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:33, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
- I wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. About that and Bomps. -- FanOfYoshi 08:21, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, admittedly, there are pretty odd redesign in the series. (i will however note that some depiction of one and the same enemy, Chain Chomp, is in some games depicted without a chain, where it is called Chomp. Also, given the Japanese name, it makes the Flutter just considered to be the base Wiggler with just wings in Japan) -- FanOfYoshi 13:18, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Please don't topic change. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:20, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Actually, i'm not trying to be off-topic, you actually mentioned the odd redesigns in the series. -- FanOfYoshi 13:21, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- That's more a temporary retool, as there are significant behavioral differences as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, i guess you're right. Still, i wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. -- FanOfYoshi 07:34, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
- In fairness, the mistakes in Super Mario Pia tend to be in the list of appearances, not in entirely splitting enemy entries. They were competent enough to detect at least one name change. Although if the article splits, then we need to find out which Tox Box is applicable to Miyamoto's quote. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:02, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
- I think it is that Nintendo wanted to make them look like their SMG counterpart but... there is just so much you could do back then! [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)
17:31, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
- I think it is that Nintendo wanted to make them look like their SMG counterpart but... there is just so much you could do back then! [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)
- In fairness, the mistakes in Super Mario Pia tend to be in the list of appearances, not in entirely splitting enemy entries. They were competent enough to detect at least one name change. Although if the article splits, then we need to find out which Tox Box is applicable to Miyamoto's quote. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:02, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, i guess you're right. Still, i wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. --
- That's more a temporary retool, as there are significant behavioral differences as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Actually, i'm not trying to be off-topic, you actually mentioned the odd redesigns in the series. --
- Please don't topic change. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:20, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, admittedly, there are pretty odd redesign in the series. (i will however note that some depiction of one and the same enemy, Chain Chomp, is in some games depicted without a chain, where it is called Chomp. Also, given the Japanese name, it makes the Flutter just considered to be the base Wiggler with just wings in Japan) --
- I wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. About that and Bomps. --
- They act the same, though, aside from the latter one doing a slight hop before backtracking. They seem to be more a comprehensive redesign with a slight name change to have theme naming with Thwomp than a true "replacement." Besides, "they look nothing alike" isn't an outstanding argument by itself when there are some very odd redesigns in the franchise. Just look at what Thwomp, Cheep Cheep, and Pokey have been through, to say nothing of the Sunshine versions of enemies in general. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:33, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
- The only similarity between the two is that they are boxes with faces on each side within one Mario can go in. Otherwise, they don't even look similar. --
Another way to die from a Tox Box in SMGEdit
In SMG (Idk if that's present in SMG2), you can instantly die if you go on top of a Tox Box: https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/693037465832947712/in-super-mario-galaxy-the-code-that-determines-if Should that be added in Super Mario Galaxy along with a reference link?ToadMushroom823 (talk)
