Talk:Rotten Mushroom
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Perhaps it’s a stupid question, but how do we know that Rotten Mushrooms are distinct items from Poison Mushrooms, and not just a new name for the same item? --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 11:45, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Why would we need a proof? --
FanOfYoshi 11:47, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Often, the official names for items change over time. For example, Super Stars were originally called Starmen in older games, despite being the same item. On the wiki, we name our articles based on the name in the latest appearance, while keeping the information about previous appearances and the official names of those appearances in the individual sections for the game in question. Basically, my question is do we know whether Rotten Mushrooms are new, distinct items or simply Nintendo's new name for Poison Mushrooms? I'm really not sure how we would determine that or maybe I'm just overthinking it. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 11:56, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- There is some different behavior in regards to the direction it moves compared to The Lost Levels, but this may not be much more different than Fish Bones having new homing behavior in subsequent appearances since there actually is evidence connecting Rotten Mushroom to Poison Mushroom: its internal name is PoisonKinoko. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:11, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Localizers likely just gave it a different name because... well, pretty much everything is different. The look, the actions, and how it appears. The only thing that remains the same is it damages Mario. So I think it should stay separate.
12:13, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Poison Mushroom itself doesn't have a very consistent appearance compared to most other items, though. Rotten Mushroom at least looks like an evolution of its occasional skull-based appearance from Super Mario All-Stars, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:21, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- True, but it's usually nothing more than a skull imprinted on the cap rather than a skull as the cap. 12:25, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Maybe, but I'll also say that while Rotten Mushroom's behavior is new as far as 2D games are concerned, it's similar to how Poison Mushroom acts in Super Mario 3D Land. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:36, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- I'd say this is like Snorkel Snake with Dragoneel. They act the same and were used as a basis, but are a new thing in the end, potentially just for creativity's sake. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:41, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- The Japanese name of the level "Begone, Rotten Mushroom!" is "Run Away, Run Away! Rotten Mushroom." So the Japanese version still calls them Rotten Mushrooms, even in-game. Scrooge200 (talk)
22:03, December 25, 2019 (EST)
- Then alternatively, how about deeming Rotten Mushroom a certain subset of Poison Mushroom, like how the Poison Mushroom article already pretty much handles it? LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:00, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
- The Japanese name of the level "Begone, Rotten Mushroom!" is "Run Away, Run Away! Rotten Mushroom." So the Japanese version still calls them Rotten Mushrooms, even in-game. Scrooge200 (talk)
- I'd say this is like Snorkel Snake with Dragoneel. They act the same and were used as a basis, but are a new thing in the end, potentially just for creativity's sake. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:41, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Maybe, but I'll also say that while Rotten Mushroom's behavior is new as far as 2D games are concerned, it's similar to how Poison Mushroom acts in Super Mario 3D Land. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:36, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- True, but it's usually nothing more than a skull imprinted on the cap rather than a skull as the cap.
- Poison Mushroom itself doesn't have a very consistent appearance compared to most other items, though. Rotten Mushroom at least looks like an evolution of its occasional skull-based appearance from Super Mario All-Stars, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:21, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Localizers likely just gave it a different name because... well, pretty much everything is different. The look, the actions, and how it appears. The only thing that remains the same is it damages Mario. So I think it should stay separate.
- There is some different behavior in regards to the direction it moves compared to The Lost Levels, but this may not be much more different than Fish Bones having new homing behavior in subsequent appearances since there actually is evidence connecting Rotten Mushroom to Poison Mushroom: its internal name is PoisonKinoko. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:11, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
- Often, the official names for items change over time. For example, Super Stars were originally called Starmen in older games, despite being the same item. On the wiki, we name our articles based on the name in the latest appearance, while keeping the information about previous appearances and the official names of those appearances in the individual sections for the game in question. Basically, my question is do we know whether Rotten Mushrooms are new, distinct items or simply Nintendo's new name for Poison Mushrooms? I'm really not sure how we would determine that or maybe I'm just overthinking it. --Super Mario Fan 67 (T•C•S) 11:56, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
