Talk:Mario's Time Machine

Do we have a page for those weird bodyslamming Koopas from this game? Binarystep (talk) 01:52, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Or for that matter, the weird turnip headed things? Binarystep (talk) 08:26, 28 February 2015 (EST)

No. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:19, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Should the errors that talk about events in the future still be counted? For example, Einstein from the early 1900s saying how he moved to the US in the 30s? Shyguy85 (talk)

Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System) or...the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with Mario is Missing!

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal.

split console versions of Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine 5-8-0
This is inspired by a recent proposal by SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk). Let's get the ball rolling.

The notion to split the Mario Discovery games was brought up before, but not much has come of it. I think it would be simple to start with the NES version of Mario's Time Machine. Simply put - it's an entirely different game. It has very little in common with its other counterparts. The other home versions of these games are basically just altered conversions based on the MS-DOS originals and have enough commonalities that they're recognizably the same games, but NES Mario's Time Machine really could not be more different from its MS-DOS/SNES counterpart. The first option will just focus on that. However, I've included a second option that goes for the whole works: split that as well as Mario's Time Machine (Super Nintendo Entertainment System), Mario is Missing! (Nintendo Entertainment System) and Mario is Missing! (Super Nintendo Entertainment System). In this scenario, the PC versions will still be the default articles, since they came for several formats (e.g. MS-DOS, Mac, and "CD-ROM Deluxe")EDIT: Per Doc's request, the second option is going bigger, and the default articles will be turned into disambigs ala the Mario & Sonic games. I'm also excluding the Mario's Early Years! games because I have my limits. I swear if second option wins I'm going to pretend it's an early April Fools' joke on me.

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: March 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to April 4, 2023, 23:59 GMT Extended to April 11, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System) only

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) It's more or less the same game in name only. Please pick this one or the last for my sanity.
2. Okapii (talk) per proposal! The fact that the games are so different between consoles is fascinating to learn.
3. MegaBowser64 (talk) per all of yall
4. Hewer (talk) Per all.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

Split both console versions of Mario is Missing! and Mario's Time Machine

1. Camwoodstock (talk) This is our personal choice; we feel MTM needs some stuff split up, and a lot of our issues with MIM also apply to MTM. This should hopefully bring the two of them in a better direction.
2. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Yeah, might as well. The whole thing with Wario's Woods applies to MIM & MTM. Full split with disambiguation pages. If you treat this as a early April Fools joke, I'll give you pie and π. So please don't.
3. GuntherBB (talk) Per Camwoodstock and SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA).
4. ReeceeYT (talk) Per Camwoodstock.
5. Arend (talk) I mean hey, we've split all the Mario & Sonic titles, plus there's that proposal of splitting all the Mario Bros. reissues. Why not do the same with all the games from the Mario Edutainment Saga?
6. Scrooge200 (talk) Feels like it makes the most sense because these games have a lot of different content. Per all.
7. Mario (talk) More articles about our severely underappreciated early childhood video games would be better.
8. Jdtendo (talk) Each version of both games seems different enough to warrant its own article.

Comments

I object to the PC one getting priority, personally. Aside from sprite-based memes, I'm more familiar with the NES ones thanks to those being the most easily emulated. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:13, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

I don't think it's going to matter much for the first option, because the PC version will still be sharing real estate with the SNES version and the other article won't be affected. But fine, what's a good identifier? "PC" or "personal computer"? LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:25, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

I personally think "PC" will do. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:37, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

All right, I've changed that part of the proposal and I dread it since I can only stomach NES MTM. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:44, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

Honestly, this might be a little extreme, but we wouldn't be opposed to potentially just straight up splitting all the versions of Mario's Time Machine and Mario is Missing; if not for the articles themselves, then at least for the purposes of the navbox. While there's a lot of things shared between them--namely in terms of historical figures met and items--there's also a lot of things that... aren't. And have you seen the resulting navbox that comes from trying to combine all four distinct versions of Mario's Time Machine and Mario Is Missing into one navbox? These things are way, way overdue for a full revamp that a simple re-design of the navbox just wouldn't allow. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 21:55, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

That's what the second option is for, but what I'm getting at is that I'll probably be needing..assistance if we want to see that done in full. Really, the way I see it, the PC originals are the most feature-rich, followed by the SNES and then NES getting what are essentially downgraded ports, not too off from how American PC->console conversions tended to be handled - with Mario's Time Machine breaking the pattern and basically offering a whole other game. Then again, I believe it was Glowsquid who brought up the idea of splitting up the "lesser" conversions somehow (like all the home versions of the arcade games), so maybe that'll be a step in that direction. I think for cases like that, most people by now accept Nintendo's arcade or NES versions as the "baseline" edition (and the first option passing does not necessarily stop that from happening - we can have a new type of comparison page set up to fill that void instead). But I digress - the MIM template shows just how difficult it is to keep track of things, but at least it looks more complete. Should the first option pass, I can see the MTM template being broken up to have PC/SNES and NES subsections. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:33, March 14, 2024 (EDT)

Ok, I'm confused. Why should only NES MTM be split? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 20:01, March 15, 2024 (CST)

It's my personal preference since it almost has nothing in common with the other versions save for, I think, three time periods (themselves mostly different), which makes it stand apart from the other home versions. It's a completely different experience, almost like it's the game's own "Lost Levels". In contrast, the other home ports as described by the wiki basically amount to "you do things in a different order" or "there's less to do"/"streamlining". There is, practically speaking, no exclusive content other than bosses and the time-surfing minigame being revamped in Mode 7. (Actually, I did find one thing - Montreal is exclusive to NES MIM, but that still leaves the rest of the game using cities from the SNES version, itself all from the PC version.) That's why I think expanding the sections or making comparison list pages might be better. Then again, maybe I'm showing my ignorance of these games and need to hit the books. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:34, March 16, 2024 (EDT)

I'm a little confused, what does "the second option is going bigger" mean? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:48, March 17, 2024 (EDT)

It means it'll have more edits/work than initially planned. LinkTheLefty (talk) 05:56, March 17, 2024 (EDT)

I'm asking what does the option do now that it didn't before? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 06:03, March 17, 2024 (EDT)

So before, it was just going to split the SNES and NES versions from the PC ones, so the main article would be the PC versions. This was revised so the main articles will be disambiguation pages and the PC versions would also be split, like this. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:46, March 17, 2024 (EDT)

@Arend that "Mario Bros. proposal" has passed, it's still being worked on, though. SMB3 MB. still hasn't been split yet, and some other misc. stuff. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 16:19, March 20, 2024 (CST)

I know it has already passed a while ago. The very reason I'm referring to the proposal is because the split hasn't been fully implemented yet; and that it has passed, of course. rend (talk) (edits) 02:34, March 21, 2024 (EDT)

"facepalms" Doh, stupid me. Should've known. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:41, March 21, 2024 (CST)