Footrace with Koopa the QuickEdit
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Shouldn't this be merged with Bob-omb Battlefield, like the rest of the missions? Fawfulfury65
- Agreed. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
Yes missions should be in the level articles. Obviously, as we don't even have categories for mission articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:35, 5 January 2010 (EST)
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Wario's Battle Canyon?Edit
Could this place likely be part of Wario's Battle Canyon? It's also possible this bob-omb hideaway and the canyon may be under the same control by Big-Bob-omb. If so is this worth mentioning? -- WarioLoaf (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- Not worth mentioning as it is speculation, I think we have a rule against all speculation... ~Uniju(T-C-E)
- Hmmm ......... i added a trivia section indicating this. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
Some speculation is okay, but this would be too speculative. You can say this level is similar to the Battle Canyon, as a war between Bob-ombs occurs in both. But we shouldn't say they are the same place. -- Son of Suns
French Name?Edit
Do we have any reason for giving the French name of the course? I'd say either remove it or add the name in German as well, that's the three languages SM64 was released in. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:26, 10 February 2008 (EST)
- I'd say keep the French Name and add the German one, I think it's , ahem, encyclopedic to know how the various Marioverse characters/place/item/whatever. are called, especially when the name isn't a literal translation of the English/Japanese one. --Blitzwing 15:37, 10 February 2008 (EST)
- As far as I'm concerned, "Bob-omb Battlefield" isn't a character. ;) - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
- Bah, you know what I mean. Don't see why we should remove interresing info just because it's not in English.Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
- If the names in other languages are direct translations of the name, what's the point in adding them? We're here to have all the info on the Mario Series, not to teach people foreign languages. I really don't see any need for the name's there, but w/e, it looks like more than one person DOES see a reason, so... ~Uniju(T-C-E)
- Yeah, there is not many good reasons to add the various international names, but there isn't any reasons to not add them, either. For some reasons, I think it's awesome to know that Cool, Cool Mountain is know as "Bibberberg Bob" in German. --Blitzwing 16:49, 10 February 2008 (EST)
- I think we should add the Spanish and the Italian names of the courses, because SM64DS was released in English, French, German, Spanish and Italian in Europe. I'm saying that because I can add the Spanish names, if you want.
Paper Yoshi Talk 07:48, 15 January 2009 (EST)
- Of course, you can add them. :-) --Grandy02 08:02, 15 January 2009 (EST)
- I think we should add the Spanish and the Italian names of the courses, because SM64DS was released in English, French, German, Spanish and Italian in Europe. I'm saying that because I can add the Spanish names, if you want.
- Yeah, there is not many good reasons to add the various international names, but there isn't any reasons to not add them, either. For some reasons, I think it's awesome to know that Cool, Cool Mountain is know as "Bibberberg Bob" in German. --Blitzwing 16:49, 10 February 2008 (EST)
- If the names in other languages are direct translations of the name, what's the point in adding them? We're here to have all the info on the Mario Series, not to teach people foreign languages. I really don't see any need for the name's there, but w/e, it looks like more than one person DOES see a reason, so... ~Uniju(T-C-E)
- Bah, you know what I mean. Don't see why we should remove interresing info just because it's not in English.Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
- As far as I'm concerned, "Bob-omb Battlefield" isn't a character. ;) - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Article should be rewrittenEdit
This article should be rewritten like the rest of the other articles for the other courses in Super Mario 64 and its remake. Here is an example of how the article should look like. -TheUnknown67 (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
- Actually, it used to be like Shifting Sand Land, but level information was relocated into standalone articles just as how we have World articles that have links to standalone articles of its levels.
It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:06, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
- Is it OK if the information is restored? -TheUnknown67 (talk) 19:00, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
- Considering that most of the information were moved to that articles, we would be getting repeats, and I don't think that's a good idea. You'll also have to enact changes to the Galaxy pages (look at Good Egg Galaxy and Honeyhive Galaxy). You'll have to negotiate with those involved in those changes, which do include Time Turner (talk) and RandomYoshi (talk) (and me) as far as I know. I don't agree with restoring the information since it will run into a consistency problem with other articles that do have level details reserved for separate articles such as World 1 (New Super Mario Bros.). It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:16, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
- I oppose the split; 64/Sunshine/Galaxy missions are not like levels in a world, which exist as separate entities with their own individual layouts. 64/S/G missions are just different objectives to complete in one level, with the exception of stuff like the "secret" sub-levels in Sunshine. Splitting them off is like giving each Golden Banana in Donkey Kong 64 its own article.
21:59, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
- Unlike the Golden Bananas, though, these missions, despite the similar layouts, are still individual named levels. Golden Bananas and Power Stars do share some elements in common, which include being major required collectibles, but Power Stars often end the level (though bonus ones exist including the 100-coin reward and that one Toad gives out) while Golden Bananas are rewards and scattered throughout a level. The important thing is that we're not giving Power Stars their articles, we are giving missions the articles and note the path Mario takes to obtain it and the differences in the mission. Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine are not open-world games. Most, if not all missions, thanks to the level design, usually have Mario follow a relatively linear path so there is no reason those missions should not be full articles. Anyway, I just found out that we do have a policy on this and a collab dedicated to splitting these articles and remerging them would run against them. You'll have to discuss that in the forum link I provided or via a proposal, though I wouldn't count on it: the owner, Porplemontage (talk), has made the policy in the first place and he has all authority to decide to remerge them or not. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:28, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
- Point taken. I do understand the reasoning, particularly for Galaxy missions since those frequently only allow you to explore certain parts of the level during one or two missions, making them more like levels in a world. One thing I don't understand however, and pardon me if I am straying somewhat from what's relevant to this particular article, is why we need separate articles for missions in one-star galaxies, like Loopdeeloop Galaxy and Sweet Sweet Galaxy. It's redundant and unnecessary; the missions are synonymous with the levels themselves. Isn't this why we don't have separate articles for most Donkey Kong Country boss stages, like Very Gnawty's Lair? 20:25, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
- Actually, about those Donkey Kong stages... Hello, I'm Time Turner. 21:05, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
- Probably for consistency and it might be a good idea to describe the level in galaxy article and then have the mission article go into detail on tasks Mario does. Otherwise, they're there only for the sake of completeness. Not very strong, mind you, but it's not a horrible set up: fortunately, worlds with one missions aren't that common. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:08, 25 June 2016 (EDT)
- Point taken. I do understand the reasoning, particularly for Galaxy missions since those frequently only allow you to explore certain parts of the level during one or two missions, making them more like levels in a world. One thing I don't understand however, and pardon me if I am straying somewhat from what's relevant to this particular article, is why we need separate articles for missions in one-star galaxies, like Loopdeeloop Galaxy and Sweet Sweet Galaxy. It's redundant and unnecessary; the missions are synonymous with the levels themselves. Isn't this why we don't have separate articles for most Donkey Kong Country boss stages, like Very Gnawty's Lair?
- Unlike the Golden Bananas, though, these missions, despite the similar layouts, are still individual named levels. Golden Bananas and Power Stars do share some elements in common, which include being major required collectibles, but Power Stars often end the level (though bonus ones exist including the 100-coin reward and that one Toad gives out) while Golden Bananas are rewards and scattered throughout a level. The important thing is that we're not giving Power Stars their articles, we are giving missions the articles and note the path Mario takes to obtain it and the differences in the mission. Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine are not open-world games. Most, if not all missions, thanks to the level design, usually have Mario follow a relatively linear path so there is no reason those missions should not be full articles. Anyway, I just found out that we do have a policy on this and a collab dedicated to splitting these articles and remerging them would run against them. You'll have to discuss that in the forum link I provided or via a proposal, though I wouldn't count on it: the owner, Porplemontage (talk), has made the policy in the first place and he has all authority to decide to remerge them or not.
- I oppose the split; 64/Sunshine/Galaxy missions are not like levels in a world, which exist as separate entities with their own individual layouts. 64/S/G missions are just different objectives to complete in one level, with the exception of stuff like the "secret" sub-levels in Sunshine. Splitting them off is like giving each Golden Banana in Donkey Kong 64 its own article.
- Considering that most of the information were moved to that articles, we would be getting repeats, and I don't think that's a good idea. You'll also have to enact changes to the Galaxy pages (look at Good Egg Galaxy and Honeyhive Galaxy). You'll have to negotiate with those involved in those changes, which do include Time Turner (talk) and RandomYoshi (talk) (and me) as far as I know. I don't agree with restoring the information since it will run into a consistency problem with other articles that do have level details reserved for separate articles such as World 1 (New Super Mario Bros.).
- Is it OK if the information is restored? -TheUnknown67 (talk) 19:00, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
