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Rework the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe category into a subcategory of the Mario Kart 8 category covering only Deluxe-exclusive content
Currently, said category - which I have to link to externally for formatting reasons - appears to have the scope of "everything that's in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe". While sensible on paper, this results in a category whose contents are largely identical to the Mario Kart 8 category, especially when it comes to its subcategories.

Now, if this were a "Mario Kart 9" that happened to reuse much of 8's content, I would not have an issue. It would "come by it honestly", so to speak. However, 8 Deluxe is not a Mario Kart 9, and we do not treat it that way anywhere else on this wiki. They share a navbox. Articles list their subject's 8 Deluxe roles in the same section, if not the same sentence, as their original 8 ones. The only benefit to these separate categories is being able to see everything that's in 8 Deluxe as a whole, and there are already sections of the article for that.

Why is this a problem worth paying attention to? Well, in addition to two separate categories being more difficult to maintain than one (as evidence, I submit how much content within the 8 Deluxe category's current scope has not been tagged with the category), we also don't have categories for 8 Deluxe-exclusive content. These seem like two problems worth solving with each other to me.

Here's how we do it.

These are the articles I think should be within the new scope of the category:
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass race courses
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe images
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe media files
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters
 * Dry Bones
 * Bowser Jr.
 * King Boo
 * Gold Mario
 * Inkling
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe objects
 * Cash
 * Arrow field
 * Half-pipe
 * Water Geyser
 * Metal ball
 * Bumper (Mario Kart series)
 * Flipper (Mario Kart series)
 * Penguin
 * Mushroom Trampoline
 * Mushroom Platform
 * Wiggler
 * Koopa Clown
 * Inkstriker
 * Splat Buggy
 * Master Cycle Zero
 * Ancient Tires
 * Paraglider
 * Boo
 * Feather
 * (All 8 of MK8DX's battle courses)
 * (All 6, eventually 12, of the Booster Course Pass cup articles)
 * List of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe staff
 * List of official Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournaments
 * List of sponsors debuting in Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in-game statistics
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Kart Customizer Game
 * Which Mario Kart 8 Deluxe racer are you most like?

I would like to call attention to the fact that direct subcategories of the Mario Kart 8 category would no longer be in this one, as well.

In addition, these categories would be deleted for redundancy:
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe karts
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe bikes
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe ATVs
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tires
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe gliders
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe items

Effectively, the 8 Deluxe category would become a subcategory that, unlike regular subcategories that supersede their parent category, is superseded by its parent category.

I think this would clean up the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe category, bring it in line with our category tree system policy by removing instances where categories are subcategories of both it and regular 8, and make it much easier to maintain in the future.

Proposer: Deadline: December 5, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal, I was quite confused by what the category's scope was meant to be before.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal, I think it makes sense to cut down on the redundant categories here, as well as other reissues in general. I do agree with Mario jc's point in the comments about keeping "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters" having enough entries per policy, though.
 * 5) per proposal
 * 6) Per all.

Comments
A few minor nitpicks about the list: train covers the Super Bell Subway trains and they were in original 8 so it should be removed, ninja Shy Guys don't have an article separate from Shy Guys which are in original 8 so they can go too, half-pipes are missing, and Boo is in a bit of a weird spot because it was an obstacle in original 8 and became an item in Deluxe so I'm not sure whether it should be included or not. (Also for future reference, you can link to categories non-externally by putting a colon at the start of the link, e.g. Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe gets you Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.) 04:23, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * Thanks for the advice! I've changed the list to match. In the case of Boo... honestly, considering its drastically different roles in the game, I'd say it can be in both Category:Mario Kart 8 species and Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in the same way Chain Chomp is in both the Double Dash species and item categories. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:08, November 28, 2022 (EST)

Honestly I think this rule should be applied to all reissue categories since there's a lot of redundant entries for other reissues as well. Not saying this proposal should be broadened to reflect that, but just something we can consider in the future. I don't think "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters" should be deleted; per Categories, there's enough entries for that subcategory to stay (King Boo, Dry Bones, Bowser Jr., Inkling and Gold Mario). 22:40, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * How did I manage to miss Bowser Jr.? Anyway, I could go either way on a characters category, honestly. Five feels a bit few, even if it's over the legal minimum. If we do keep that category, we ought to make a "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe battle courses" category, since that has even more examples. Which would actually be the first, since no other game has a category for that on this wiki. Ahemtoday (talk) 23:28, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * On second thought... I've come around on this. The category does already exist, so deleting it when we don't necessarily have to would be a bit of an unnecessary change. Ahemtoday (talk) 15:15, November 30, 2022 (EST)