Talk:Super Mario Bros.

Since the Glitches section only has one glitch (Minus World), and there is an article for this glitch, shouldn't we just remove the glitch section in the article entirely? Waluigi Freak 99 17:49, 9 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Or put a link to the Minus World and take out the section...whatever suits you. -- Son of Suns

Actually, there are more glitches.-- Paper Mario Kart
 * It is not really recommended to reply to old conversations.

Enemies section
Shouldn't there be some sort of section for the enemies in the game? After all, the instruction booklet included such a section, and it would seem fitting here. --Alan Redgown56 15:09, 24 December 2006 (EST)

Yes it fits here. Paper Jorge

Mario Deluxe
It says on the page Super Mario Bros Deluxe was only availible in Japan. But that cant be, that was the first mario game i ever played and it deffinately wasnt in japanese. My sister got it for a gift.Widkid85 10:51, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Done. Removed false information.

Unwikifying
Could the person who put the sign there please tell us what has been dumped? I want to help you guys fix this article, but I don't know where to start! -Stumpers


 * The introduction needs to be completely rewritten, as well as the attacks and moves section. -- Son of Suns


 * Thanks. I'll see what I can do.  Maybe this weekend? -Stumpers

Came out of a pipe?
What does it mean by they came out of a pipe. They lived there all there life. The Brooklyn thing has never been stated in a game.

Disambuigation
This page should be a Disambuigation for SMB, Mario Bros., and Super Mario Bros. (movie). Comments?


 * No. This is by far the most common use of the phrase "Super Mario Bros.", while the meanings of things like Yoshi's Island all are used commonly enough. The movie can be linked to with or something similar, and Mario Bros. (talking about the game?) has a quite different name. -  16:52, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

no! The brothers themselves, who are called the Super Mario Brothers many times!

Max has a good point. I would be in favor of the move of this page to Super Mario Bros. (game) and linking the disambiguation page to the Mario and Luigi articles. Oh, and for the record, plenty of casual gamers call this game Mario Bros. I know we cater to the hardcore crowd, but it would prevent any confusion.

Story section
Is their any source the story is taken from? - 10:53, 28 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Super Mario Bros. instruction manual. -- Son of Suns

play it
YaYz0rZ! i found a link to play the ORIGINAL!!

i got to the minus world here

List of Levels
In the "list of levels" section, there are several links to non-existent pages. If I make these pages existent, does that count as SMWikifying? Or does it count as helping this page in any way?
 * I don't know, but I have another question: Why is the underwater area in 8-4 secret? I think you have to go/swim through it to reach Bowser, don't you? I don't know how it is in 5-2, though. And BTW, sorry if that sounds impolite (I don't hope so), but your world pages sound a li'l bit opiniated. (e.g., the word "oddly" or considering Hammer Bro. as the most hated enemy in the game) :( See Talk:Main Page. --PaperStriker 09:28, 17 January 2008 (EST)

No, that's not impolite! I'm still learning what not to do around here. As for 8-4, it isn't secret and I'm changing that on this page, and leaving it out when I make the article. I'll change the opinionated words though...you're kind of right on that. Thanks.

Trivia section
One of the two trivias of SMB is that "contrary to popular belief, it is possible for the player to jump over the flag in certain levels of the game," or something. This is not the first place I've heard this rumor, but for some reason there are no pictures of this trick, or list of levels that you can jump over the flag. Has anyone been able to do it, cuz if not we might have to consider deleting this trivia.
 * It is possible in The Lost Levels because of the new spring-boards there, but in Super Mario Bros. it is only a glitch and can go to the List of Glitches page with further elaboration. - 16:49, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Gallery Images
Ok, why is there artwork in the gallery that isn't even from the game this article is about? The Gravitator 02:00, 6 September 2008 (EDT)


 * I've removed some of the artwork that was obviously from a different game. Thanks for noticing, though.

No problem. Isn't that image of Peach from a different game too though? I thought her hair has a different color back in the original game. The Gravitator 13:33, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
 * She always had gold hair out of game. Much like the Brown/Orange Yoshi thing - color limitations caused in-game sprites to differ from out-game artwork.  20:14, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Beta Mushroom Music
This guy corrupted Super Mario Bros. and I noticed whenever he gets a mushroom or fire flower, it makes a different tune that's not glitched up. Here is the link --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuL0Ij0RU10&feature=related --Onestop 16:46, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * He used a Game Genie code. Therefore, obviously it shouldn't be included in the article. Stuff without Game Genie, such as the infamous World-1 glitch or stuff, should be added. Also, if the guy corrupted it, it makes it his own video, which is not nnintendo related. Other comments?
 * Yeah, this isn't a beta sound. It's just the normal one slowed down. NintendoFan08 (talk) 14:18, October 6, 2022 (EDT)

stubby
stubby imo --XyzCoRy123ABC 21:08, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

...How? Wtf? A Stub is like 3 sentences with an image template and a couple of categories in it. This isnt a stub.


 * Per S-Y. If you wanna complain about stubs, go here. 21:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Stars on Level List?
I've been wondering, why are there stars on Worlds 3 and 6? Mr.C

North American release date change
I have changed the North American release date (formerly listed in the infobox as 18/10/1985) to "1985/1986". (In fact, it should probably be changed to just 1986.) It was impossible to release the game in Japan on 13/9 and then turn around and release it in the USA one month later. A discussion is currently taking place at Wikipedia (wikipedia:Talk:Super Mario Bros.) and here's what I can gather from reading it: Conclusion: Now, Mario games can be released almost simultaneously in all regions, and Nintendo knows they will sell well. But it was different in 1985. Nintendo had no idea how SMB would sell in Japan, and it would have been silly to throw money at a US version without ensuring it had strong Japanese sales first. SMB did sell well in Japan, and (to quote one of the participants in the linked discussion) "sales take time, they don't happen immediately." By the time Nintendo realised it would be a good idea to come to the US, it was already 1986. The 18/10/85 date is pure hokey. Nintendo doesn't even know where they got it from. So there's my case. Toadfan 22:07, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
 * SMB was released in Japan on 13/9/85, as we know.
 * Nintendo approached New York retailers around the same time in order to get their products in store for Christmas. It is thought 18/10 is the day they started this. SMB was not even a pack-in in Japan yet. The Christmas shopping season started on 29/11 that year.
 * During the same three months, sales of SMB boomed in Japan. Then-Nintendo president Hiroshi Yamauchi decided to pack-in SMB with the Famicom in late November or early December. Then, he decided to bring it to the US. Which means US game development commenced in December 1985, pretty much ruling out a 1985 release date.
 * The NES was test-marketed that Christmas in NY. Only 50K of 100K units sold, so they went to LA the next February. It's pretty certain that SMB was not available in NY, but it possibly could have been available in LA. Supporting this is an ad from the LA Times in 13/3/86 that supposedly mentions SMB. (It's pay-to-view, so no one knows for sure - all we know comes from the descriptive text that comes with the Google result.)
 * So it is reasonable to conclude that SMB was released to the entire country sometime after that LA Times ad. Similar ads and full-blown news stories start to widely appear in August. The first mention in any English-language media is a 19/8/86 Reuters story in the Philadelphia Inquirer and several other newspapers.

Apparently some New York Times article said something about it, but until someone shows us the article, I am taking down that release date. A Link to the Present 19:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay... Let's stop reverting and rereverting this on the article and talk about it. Please don't get mad but I see no proof in the article that is used as a source of information. A Link to the Present 10:54, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Oh, I see it. "Super Mario"? This whole article wreaks of fish. A Link to the Present 20:18, 4 January 2011 (EST)

Mushroom Retainers
Several users have changed the Mushroom Retainers in the Non-playable section to Toad the character now, and it still continues to happen. Once and for all: There are six Mushroom Retainers in that game! It is absolutely impossible that all these retainers are in fact Toad. Toad can not split up to six different characters that are trapped in six different fortresses. It is impossible!

The next one who switches the Mushroom Retainers with Toad without giving a strong and valid reason will immediately receive a warning. This edit had been undone too many times now! - 16:43, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

Nomination
This article MUST be a Featured Article,someone should to nominate it.--MATEOELBACAN 22:47, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros Special
Would this be considered a port or a seperate game? Since the levels in this game are substantially different different (It was also developed entirely by hudson soft with nintendos permission)
 * It has numerous differences, but it's more like a remake.

Map images from VGMaps.com
Why are the World 8 maps for SMB and SMBTLL uploaded as the other game's maps? All the maps of World 8 (SMB) are uploaded as the maps of World 8 (SMB:TLL) and vice versa.--TheUltimateKoopa 07:42, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

Bowser Artwork
The user Byllant removed the Bowser artwork from this article because it is seen on the Japanese flyer for Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, aka Super Mario Bros. 2. But this is not the only artwork found in this article's gallery that is printed on the flyer. If you have read the "Iwata Asks" interviews for Flipnote Studio, you might know that there was just the character art on the Japanese SMB package drawn by Shigeru Miyamoto and the artwork in the manual when SMB was originally released. Then the animation artist Yoichi Kotabe came to Nintendo and drew new character art, as seen on the flyer. But if this artwork was already used before the release of The Lost Levels or not, I don't know. So either all the more recent artwork should be removed from the article and moved to The Lost Levels, or a note should be added that it is unclear for which game the artwork was first used. --Grandy02 07:40, 15 May 2010 (EDT)
 * You sure do know your facts. Put them both on there.
 * You mean adding the images to both galleries (and categories)? Actually, that's what I wouldn't like that much, as a lot of artwork has been reused various times in the franchise's history. I've seen that galleries usually ignore reused artwork. Therefore, I'd prefer to only use artwork for the earliest game it was used for sure. The only thing known for sure is that the artwork seen on the flyer didn't exist when Super Mario Bros. was originally released. As it isn't exactly known when the artwork first appeared, I'd rather add them to the Lost Levels gallery. Anyway, there needs to be consistency with the Bowser artwork. --Grandy02 17:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome Website
This is to the guy that had the link to the online Super Mario Bros. Game saying they got to the minus world. BlueYoshter, right? Well if you think that's cool, you'll flip out to hear that there's a website that you can play any NES game you want to (LEGALLY!111) I'll try to put up the link- This link was brought to you by User: Beecanoe. You can show your thanks by putting it on my userpage's talk page.

Game Quotes
I just have an idea. I think it would be a good idea to include a quote from Miyamoto, Kondo, or Tezuka from the Super Mario All Stars: Limited Edition booklet. I could do it on all the game articles from the games presented in the booklet. I thought I would need permission first. And if the right thing to do is make a proposal to do this, someone please tell me, because I would be happy to do it and it would be my first proposal.

I agree, but IDK how to make a proposal ethier Kelton2: Your neighborhood wiki helper. (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Starting from the last world the player gets Game Over
With both NES Classics: Super Mario Bros. and Famicom Mini: Super Mario Bros. 2 (a.k.a. Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels), would it be worth mentioning in the Trivia section that if you press "A" and then "START" at the same time on the GBA Versions of the games, the player will start from the World they got Game Over on. What do you think?

Well, unsigned comment, I'm not sure. You can add it if you wish as long as you have a source or at least have it and do it yourself. But this is an article about the original Super Mario Bros., and there is no need to get The Lost Levels involved in this. A Link to the Present 11:41, 16 January 2011 (EST)

That trick is done by holding A and pressing START, which was also in the NES version. --Mariofan5000 (talk) 17:01, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

BJAODN Material
There is a sentence in this article that is BJAODN worthy. Who can find it? Doopliss42

Artwork
The original SMB artwork of Mario featured him the way he is on the boxart of Super Mario Bros. 2.

Sales Speak
I'm Paper Mario Kart, my source is Gamrreview.com and this is my first ever Sales Speak. The sales of this game are at about 40.24 million for the NES version and 2.28 for the GBA version as of January 27,2012. Ckeck out the other Sales Speaks on other talk pages!

Interesting images
Here there are some interesting images of the Korean version --   Sfavillotto (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Firebar Enemies?
How Are The Firebars enemies? You can't defeat them. Walleo13:49, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

FA
I think this should be a featured article. I proofread it and it looks gr8.But please remove or move some trivia. --SmartYoshi 17:17, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Misplaced information
In the trivia section: "Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 had Classic World 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, and 2-2 released as card levels for World-e. Only World 1-1 was released outside Japan." What has this to do with Super Mario Bros. ? Shouldn't we remove it ?
 * Well, it's saying that the original levels from Super Mario Bros. have been remade for that game, so it's probably relevant here. I assume that should be moved to the "References in Later Games" section, though. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 19:07, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

Ha, ok, I haven't understood that the levels concerned were the ones from SMB 1 ! Thanks. Banon (talk) 12:50, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

Uhh... what?
In the Hard Mode section: "Additionally, the music is slightly faster." Is that true? Who wrote that? Where did (s)he get that? --Mariofan5000 (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Media Downloading
Hi, I'm want to download the Super Mario Bros. Overworld Theme, and I don't know how. Can anyone tell me?--Mariobro101 (talk) 18:01, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

About World 8-4
---About World 8-4 World 8-4 in SMB was hard, it had a hard pipe maze. Japan and U.S.A. can you make the firebars 75 long

1-up glitch help
How can you make the 1-up glitch?

-world
ok the -world is a glich to a hidden water level BUT in another ver of the game its a level with flying toads & headless bowsers.im not shure if it works on the wii 3ds snes(no download for snes) or pc download though.

Check this page for everything you want to know. --&#123;&#123;subst:nosubst&#124;User:Whitey/sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 20:09, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Incorrect trivia?
"The Mario sprite on the cover is the same sprite on the Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. NES games."

But the SMB cover sprite is the Fire Mario sprite, whereas Fire Mario didn't exist in DK and Mario Bros. (Also, didn't DK and Mario Bros. have Mario with his soon to be traditional blue overalls and red shirt, while SMB had him in a different outfit?)

It just means that Mario's picture is the same shape as in the DK and MB box arts.



--Mariofan5000 (talk) 06:17, 14 May 2014 (EDT)

mention music in 3D world
In the section of this article labeled References in later games, most uses of the super mario overworld theme music in later games are listed, but its use in Super Mario 3D World is omitted. A version of the theme is used as the music for some levels such as level Star-1 Rainbow Run. Please add it to the list entry for 3D World in that section.

Glitch on hard mode?
On my 3DS I've got to "hard mode", and a lot of times I reset it to start over. But when I do so, it sometimes takes me to 2-1, 3-1, or 4-1. Once it went back to the normal mode, and when I went to my save point and back, it was hard mode again... Can you explain this? Flare the Red Yoshi (talk) 11:29, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Did you use your Restore Point when you were on Hard Mode? 11:38, 21 May 2017 (EDT)

Yes and it's not bad what happened, I'm just confused.
 * iirc, the game does have a slight memory. When you reset, the game takes you to the first level of the world you were in. I think if you hold A while you press START, you'll return to the world you died in? 19:19, 21 May 2017 (EDT)

Arcade Archives Port
Arcade Archives VS Super Mario Bros. on Switch needs to be added to the "Alternate versions and re-releases" section.


 * Re-releases of a variation of Super Mario Bros. are covered on their respective pages. For example, the Virtual Console release of Super Mario Bros. Deluxe is not listed here, and is covered on its own page instead. 07:45, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Needing help adding controls to it
If someone know how to help me to find it. I need the controls of a part of Virtual Console. -- (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
 * Part of investigation: https://prnt.sc/kv1wwb . I discovered that A is B in the Wii U Gamepad. With this I can have the enough information. As I know that the sticks and the pads would be similar to the other versions, simply because it is the standart. Anyone who know something more, post here, please. --DyeffersonAzSignature.png (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
 * Investigation: http://prntscr.com/kv2evr . I've sent an e-mail to a guy that made a guide in a famous website, in order to obtain the information for the controls in the nsw arcade archives VS. Super Mario Bros.. --DyeffersonAzSignature.png (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

Nintendo Switch's port controls.
I'd like to have help by knowing the NSW Super Mario Bros. port (NSWon) -- (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2018 (EST)
 * To be frank, is it necessary to map out the various controls for emulated releases? LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:45, 25 November 2018 (EST)
 * I think it is, as the port's official page and information is never so much in case of a wiki, not forgetting to make it organized. --DyeffersonAzSignature.png (talk) 09:46, 14 February 2019 (EST)

Bloober
It is Blooper, not Bloober. Oops, 194.207.105.165 14:56, 24 November 2018 (EST)
 * We use the names things used in each game. Blooper was very often called "Bloober" until Paper Mario. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2018 (EST)
 * That said, it was "Blooper" in the NES guides How to Win at Super Mario Bros. and The Official Nintendo Player's Guide, but those were both released sometime later in 1987 - "Bloober" is used in the manual that came with the game. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:45, 25 November 2018 (EST)
 * That's why I said "very often," not "always." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:41, 12 December 2018 (EST)

North American Date
Why does it now say October 1985 from October 18, 1985?
 * The exact NA release date is unknown. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:41, 12 December 2018 (EST)
 * Hello, NA is October 18, 1985 Benjaminkirsc (talk) 14:39, 20 February 2019 (EST)
 * According to whom? Nintendo themselves don't know, so this seems like speculation. Note the last paragraph in the introduction. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:29, 20 February 2019 (EST)
 * https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_games#Nintendo_Entertainment_System the only date in 1985 in the USA to have a NES game so the 18th would fit best. Benjaminkirsc (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2019 (EST)
 * "Someone put that on this other page" is not a source. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:45, 21 February 2019 (EST)
 * Edit: sorry it's back Benjaminkirsc (talk) 07:50, June 28, 2020 (EDT)

References in later games
Could somebody add the fact that the theme of the Loves Me Not minigame from Super Mario 64 DS is a remix of the Super Mario Bros. underwater theme? I'm an IP address and therefore I cannot. 73.168.5.183 18:59, May 1, 2020 (EDT)

Atari 2600 version
I found a version for the 2600, is it real Bobster (talk) 11:17, June 15, 2020 (EDT) No, it's homebrew --BlueYoshi-57EML (talk) 18:02, July 5, 2020 (EDT)

AKA Super Mario Bros. 1
Is this really noteworthy? The current source has only one mention as a header called 『スーパーマリオブラザーズ1・2』のヒント (Super Mario Bros. 1&2 Hints). This seems like a shorthand way of fitting "Super Mario Bros. + Super Mario Bros. 2" within the same space, making it informal, not the official title mentioned elsewhere in the source. It's a casual reference like Super Mario or, with some Japanese fans, 「スーマリ」 (SuMari), that is meant to pair with the sequel and would probably work better as just a redirect. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:30, November 15, 2020 (EST)
 * I'll move it to the other languages section since it's never referred to that officially in English.--Platform (talk) 04:16, July 17, 2022 (EDT)

Jeff Rovin's How to Win at Super Mario Bros. Games
Important note: I recommend someone who owns a copy of this book makes a response.

The book How to Win at Super Mario Bros. Games by Jeff Rovin features walkthroughs for this game and SMB3. I think it would be nice if somewhere online there were a web site talking about errors in this book's SMB walkthrough. There are in fact a few errors I have in my memory:


 * Book says: the fifth Fire Bar in 1-4 moves clockwise.
 * Truth: the fifth Fire Bar in 1-4 moves counterclockwise.


 * Book says: the invisible 1-Up mushroom in 3-1 will be collectible if you're Super Mario and may or may not if you're small Mario.
 * Truth: whether the invisible 1-Up mushroom in 3-1 is collectible depends on whether you didn't dodge any coins in 2-3.


 * Book says: the underwater section of 8-4 is optional.
 * Truth: the underwater section of 8-4 is compulsory.

It would also be nice if MarioWiki had an article on this book; then I could include these errors in the book's walkthrough in the article myself. 99.101.66.106 13:29, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
 * On the bottom of the front cover, it says "Unofficial Guide - Not Endorsed By Nintendo".--Platform (talk) 01:39, September 3, 2022 (EDT)

Enemy name error in Regional Differences
There are two typos where Blooper is spelt as "Bloober" and Cheep Cheeps is spelt as "Cheep-cheeps". Also, should Goombas be called "Little Goombas"?
 * Not an error, that's a case of a rename over time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:30, October 5, 2022 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. reference in Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit
In Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit, there is a course titled World 1-1 and is themed around Super Mario Bros., as it is named after World 1-1, contains 8-Bit Goombas and Coins, and features scenery in the style of Super Mario Bros. such as the words "Mario Kart" on the start/finish line gate being in the Joystix font and the cloud sprites from the game being present. --NintendoFan08 (talk) 12:03, October 6, 2022 (EDT)

Addition to Super Mario Bros. 2 reference in References in later media
The song that plays in Subspace is a remixed part of the Super Mario Bros. ground theme. NintendoFan08 (talk) 13:17, October 6, 2022 (EDT)
 * We're no longer using recurring themes as references in later media per proposal.--Platform (talk) 14:07, October 6, 2022 (EDT)
 * Fair enough, but if this is true, then why is the music box reference from Super Mario Bros. 3 still there? NintendoFan08 (talk) 14:23, October 6, 2022 (EDT)
 * It's part of the backlog of unimplemented proposals. If you have free time, you can trawl through the "References in later games" section and delete them. You should also check if the later games have corresponding "References in other games" sections to edit as well. I think most of the "classic recurring themes" originate from SMB1 and SMB3.--Platform (talk) 14:57, October 6, 2022 (EDT)

Controls for Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros.

 * Jump / Select option
 * Fire (Fire Mario)
 * Move / Choose options / Climb beanstalk
 * PAUSE: Pause
 * (Hold) + : Run
 * (Hold) : Start with infinite lives