MarioWiki:Main Page talk archive 5

I think...
That when searching for DDR, the page Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix Will appear.Isyou 14:30, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Me to. Should we make it a redirect? Max2 Like the sig? not so good, but...

Red Spiked Para Buzzy Beetle Top
There's confusion with the names of the Buzzy Beetle family. Which ones end with buzzy, and which end with beetle? We need to get the official names for the ones in SMB3 and the Paper Mario's. - Yoshi Master

4000 Articles
Unfortunately, I could not identify the 4000th article itself. I'll find the 5000th for sure. :) 14:11, 28 January 2007 (EST)
 * Knife has informed me it's Balloon Bully.

YAY! I made the 4000th!


 * That's awesome!

'Shroom Deadline
The second issue of the 'Shroom is set to come out this Saturday. I post the message here in hopes that people will notice before I add a section in their talk pages tomorrow. 13:36, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Microsoft
Now that Banjo and Conker are part of the wiki, shouldnt we include some Microsoft information? - User: Ultimatetoad

Maybe, personally I never saw the point on having information on the companies and gaming systems. -- Sir Grodus

Me neither. I want to focus on the games. But if we do focus on the companies, I just wondered if we should do Microsoft. - User: Ultimatetoad

Canonical: DKR or DKRDS?
I took notice some individuals question the canonancy of DKR + DKRDS and it would require removal of the BK artiles we have worked hard of making. Well unless an official source is stated that the N64 version is non-canon, i beleive the Banjo articles and Conker articles should stay. Agree? -- 15:49, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Check out the latest at MarioWiki talk:Importance Policy. The issue is that, not to my knowledge before, the DS version is a complete remake: it's almost all the same, with better graphics and some new unlockables. Of course, the DS version replaces Banjo and Conker with Tiny and Dixie, now that Rare is separate from Nintendo. If DKRDS is more canonical, Banjo & Conker get the boot from this wiki. Opinions? 15:54, 2 February 2007 (EST)


 * How would you tell its canacal???? Its all in a matter of opinion and they should stay until its iofficial one is canon the other isn't, that goes to SM64DS. Its booting Conker and Banjo from the wiki for no reason. -- 16:34, 2 February 2007 (EST)

I don't think it matters which is canonical. Either way, Banjo and Conker are a spin-off of a spin-off of Mario, and thus should stay. - User: Ultimatetoad

Banjo and Conker got kicked out of DKRDS because Rare got sold to Microsoft and some legal issues...so if that hadn't happened not only would Banjo and Conker WOULD have been in DKRDS (maybe not Conker because of what he did in Bad Fur Day). So let's leave Banjo/Conker articles and WarioLoaf...I would like to have a word with you Paper Jorge

Sequel.

I don't understand. Banjo and Conker are copyrighted to Rare, always have been. Why would a seperation from Nintendo matter? -- Ghost Jam 14:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Either way, they should stay. How would DKRDS prove DKR uncanonical? Again, this has nothing to do with how canonical the info is. The simple reason is that the company would have copyright issues, otherwise they would still be there, trust me. So the Conker and Banjo series should stay. 21:08, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Indeed. I was about to say the same. O_o

If DKR DS is a remake, that means the original game has been changed to what it is intended to be. The remake is the most canonical version of the game, as the creators specifically changed the original to new specifications (just like the changes in Star Wars; older versions of Star Wars are less canonical). Like I said before, I don't know if DKR DS is a remake or a sequel. If it is a remake, we'll have to figure this whole thing out. -- Son of Suns

Oboy.


 * Oh boy...now I have to say it may be a sequel...that depends on what is on the game. We need to ask someone who has the DS version and someone who has the 64 version: Do they Have the Same Storyline? If yes, then well I guess it's a remake but...uhh...

Same storyline.

Really the only differences between versions (storywise) are Banjo and Conker. Plus, would the events of Super Mario 64 be more canonical than Super Mario 64 DS? The point is that remakes do not prove their predecessor to be uncanonical.-- 22:19, 16 February 2007 (EST)


 * SM64 DS is more canonical than SM64 - the newer game represents what could not be done earlier, and corrects the mistakes of the previous version. Does anyone know if the DKR DS game manual or the game itself make references to the original DKR? Something like, Wizpig came back, or Diddy gathered his friends again, or something else. Remember, DKL basically had the same story as DKC, but DKL still indicated it was a sequel. -- Son of Suns

I see where you're coming from, but it's an assumption, albiet one that I would call a hypothesis, as it is based off of very cool prior knowledge. The thing is, MarioWiki is here to report on Mario and how it is presented to us, right? As such, we are given certain gaps. Now, it is all well and good for us to note our theories in the articles, tying together bits and pieces, but we should not make these facts. I'm sorry that this issue came up, and I think everyone is doing a great job discussing it, so all the power to us! It is my opinion, though, based on what people, including the administrators, have edited out of articles, that we should mind what we write as fact and what we write as opinion. For example, I mistakenly wrote in the Mushroom Kingdom article that the Koopa Troop built the eight castles. Logical: they have traps, etc. in them, but not confirmed. Therefore, I should have written that "Based on the internal design of the castles, they may have been built or redesigned by the Koopa Troop." I believe this is the same sort of thing, but of much greater importance to the Wiki. Check the Talk Page for the Imporance Policy, I explain myself even more there. ;) --Stumpers

Hello! If it is non-canon, we need to still make a SMALL article, saying they were in Diddy Kong Racing, right? Max2

Locking the Move Feature OR Adding More Sysops
It is now necessary to reach an agreement based on consensus. Today's major vandalism, using the move feature, forcing the reverter to move the page back & delete the wrong redirect, is now the 2nd time it has happened. I cannot thank Sir Grodus enough for his efforts, but in both cases he was naturally not on the scene right away – how could we expect at least one sysop to be on 24 hours a day?

There are three solutions to stop or lessen the chances of this ultra-level vandalism: If you favor one option, sign your name below. If you favor both or neither, say so in the "Comments" section. 19:56, 17 February 2007 (EST)
 * 1) To stop it, we will have to lock the move feature to just sysops.
 * 2) To lessen the chances, we can add more sysops to cover a wider range of time daily.
 * 3) We can lock the move feature to new users only. &larr; Option taken

I have found a way to restrict moving pages to just new users – problem solved. 22:51, 17 February 2007 (EST)

I favor the second.----


 * I agree, regardless if the move problem's been solved or not. -- 02:39, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Just because a new trick was invented doesn't mean the problem is solved. I'm in favor on option 1. If a page needs to be moved, a user can make a note of it on that pages talk and a sysops will take care of it when able. -- Ghost Jam 03:58, 18 February 2007 (EST)
 * Well I'll revise my statement by saying that we've taken a bit of protection against the issue. New users = users less than 4 days old. 09:30, 18 February 2007 (EST)


 * No, since the majority of our contributers are users, why ask a sysop to do something as simple as a move. I mean I hate reverting vandalism too, but at what cost? The third option solves all, preventing vandalism and still allowing most users to move pages. For the first option to work, we'll need more sysops. I don't think we'll bother you guys by asking yall. 13:49, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Even though the problem is "solved" all someone has to do is wait five days then move. I think #2 and #3 should be done to lessen the problem and if it does happen, there will be a higher chance that a sysop will be on.
 * I strongly agree with Plumber. It appears that option 3 isn't enough for some of us. Why don't we have a vote between options 1 and 2? -- 23:10, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Ya, what if a five day old user comes on and starts vandalizing everything. If we keep 3., then the new user date must be increased.----

Option 3 seems to make the most sense, however, we may need to raise the "new user" limit. To what is up to you, but I suggest maybe two weeks or so. That should be enough to discourage users who have the goal of vandalizing. Most aren't patient and persistent enough to wait that long.


 * I've started a vote down below. If anybody has any other ideas, add them. -- 16:59, 19 February 2007 (EST)

Option 2 and 3

 * 1) Strong Support --
 * 2) Very Strong Support ----
 * 3) Super Strong Support
 * 4) Support -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]
 * 5) Strong Support -- 00:20, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * 6) SupportMax2

Comments
There appears to be a winner. The question now is: Who gets promoted? -- 22:00, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * Maybe Knife?


 * Or 3dejong? 22:14, 21 February 2007 (EST)


 * 0_O


 * Or both?


 * Or no one. Just because people want more sysops, doesn't mean Steve is going to add more. He'll add more when he feels they are necessary. Right now, he doesn't consider adding new sysops vital to the wiki. -- Son of Suns

We need to get Steve's vote on this issue.----

Our revels are now ENDED?!
A lot of you have noticed that I have been quite inactive the last three weeks. Well, that's the way it will be for at least two more weeks. At the end of that period, one of three things will happen: A) I return to my normal self. B) I take a one-month hiatus. C) I retire. :( Due to personal issues, it is becoming evident that I may need to halt all activity one MarioWiki for an unknown amount of time, possibly and infinite period of time. I don't want to go anymore than you would, I'll bet, but it's a probabiylty. It is even possible that I will dissapear without warning, although I will try to notify you that I am going inactive. But for I while, I need to lay low. Sorry. :( I'd love more than anything to be on here 24/7, but one can't have everything...

HOW TERRIBLE :(.

Yeh. I'm hoping I'll return to normal.

C'mon "A"! C'mon "A:! If it has to be done then "B"! Just don't do "C"! Anything but "C"!!!!!

Here's hoping you return, 3D. We'd hate to lose you.

We can't lose you. You're one of the top editors.----

You'll be back. They always come back. -- Ghost Jam 21:37, 19 February 2007 (EST)

I am speechless. Waa. 23:32, 19 February 2007 (EST)

C'MON "A"! :P

So, for about two weeks, don't expect too much out of me.

PM Items
Since a lot of you would be offended, I have to ask; is merging all PM and PM2 Key Items on one page? We have one on SMRPG. 00:13, 20 February 2007 (EST)
 * This is a good idea and I support it. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 02:13, 20 February 2007 (EST)


 * Not that it's my place to say, but I'd love it if that happened! There are too many "stub" articles as it is, and that would be very useful!  ...and visually appealing.  --Stumpers


 * Uhhhh.. OK! Visually appealing.. :P


 * I like lists. --Stumpers the perfectionist
 * Lists are made of happy and love. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:08, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Especially lists of kittens! --Stumpers

IMVU ads are back
I was just on the Big Eight page, and the Hot Tub IMVU ad was there. I don't think it's appropriate for the Mario Wiki, so I request to have it removed.

--Doopliss Fan 00:39, 21 February 2007 (EST)

The problem is that the ads bring in a lot of money. You can right-click the ads to disable them. 00:45, 21 February 2007 (EST)
 * We have no control what ads show. 00:15, 22 February 2007 (EST)
 * Then we need to gain some control. Have we tried using Google Ad? -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:09, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Then can you put them at the bottom of the page, where no one can see them? No one clicks on those ads, anyway. --Doopliss Fan 21:22, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Leaving.. FOR SURE.
OK, guys, my leaving is now decided. Due to a lot of personal issues, I am leaving, as of February 22 (today). I'll give all you guys personal goodbyes, so as to not clog the main page talk with sentimentality. Hopefully, I'll be back sometime next week to enter my 'Shroom page, but I'm not entered it by March 2nd, you can be sure I'm GONE.

Hopefully, hopefully, HOPEFULLY, I'll be able to m come back in a month for real in a month or so. But for now, so long. I'll be leaving this evening, so as to catch up and finish some unfinished jobs.

Goodbye! :'(

Bye 3d. You were really cool. Bye. Max2

PLEASE!!!! Do'nt leave forever.... Ultimatetoad 17:08, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Ryan repiles: Bye!1.. You have alot of expirenece on Mario product, don'T Leave!!!11

ALERT! ALERT! I AM LEAVING! Hopefully, I'll be back later. For now, BYE!

...*sniff*

I'm still in shock.----
 * 0_0 … :'( … X_X … NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] Para Yoshi  Wahoo![[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:00, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Bye 3D. You were a great member. We'll remember you.

Thank you, everybody, for all the *sniff* wonderful *sniff* good.. AAAAAAAAAAAH! There, got that off my chest. :P Goodbye, everybody. All my best memories will be here. Take good care of the site. So long. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAye-bye. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA be with you. 08:22, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Day late, because I was on vacation. Bye, we will all miss you. Even I, as a new member was aware of the color you added to this site. And you were the main reason that I stayed, because of the encouragement you gave me. Red.Tide 16:37, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Oh. Bye. I didn't really know you too well, but you were pretty cool. H  K  4 7 16:49, 26 February 2007 (EST)

NOT LEAVING! (sorta)
WHOOPEE!! I’M NOT RETIRING! BUT, I am going semi-inactive. I was able to negotiate a compromise with my parents, so instead of vanishing into obscurity, I’ll be on about once about every other week, for an indefinite period of time, most likely into mid-April. YAY! Anything’s better than leaving permanently.. :D So now I can keep up on current events, and keep being a semi-inactive (hopefully not for long) member of the Wiki! Yay! Thank all of you so much for you compliments, goodbyes and encouragement. I’d hate to leave..

3D YOU'RE BACK!!!WAHOOO!! 3D IS BACK!!! Welcome back 3D!! Max2

Er.. THANKS!!! :D :D :D :D But don't get too worked up.. I'm not going to be on for a while after this. I'll be very, very inactive.

So? You're not leaving leaving, are you? Max2

No, not retiring, just going really inactive. Yay!

Hey, well it's better than retiring.----

"negotiate a compromise with my parents" Did your grades come in? I know so many people who've been having problems like this! :D (stay after and study w/ your teachers!  It helps so much!) --Stumpers

Where do you find artwork for video games?
Sicne gamehikers.com is dead now, I was waundering where you find all of the artwork on this site? --Bentendo 16:20, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Google it, AOL search, or Wikipedia. There are also more. just look around Max2

Gamehiker is dead? I just checked and it updated two days ago. -- Sir Grodus

What's GameHiker? Max2

I meant that they don't update images any more. --Bentendo 17:14, 24 February 2007 (EST)

This. 21:58, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Gamehiker and Google and Nintendo Nsider Forums, thought GameHiker's images are dying.

Deletion
I request that at least one sysop checks out this page more often. This is one of the few things we rely on you for. 22:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)
 * I check that page every time I'm on. I didn't delete anything the last few times because, well, I think I'm not the only sysops around here who can delete crap. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:31, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Upcoming Games articles
I think we should set a policy on creating articles about upcoming games. I don't mean game articles themselves, but articles about upcoming games. I just think we should stick info like that on the game articles until the game itself is released. 23:53, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Nah.  P J    

Well, you wouldn't understand since you made a lot of those. Think about this logically, why create an article on something we don't know about? I think that's just being impatient. Like I suggested earlier, we should just add info to the game's article until the game is released. Then we start making articles about it.-- 00:33, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Two Big News
Paper Jorge has two big News (a good and bad one):

Good: To Nintendo
I'm probably (%80 chance) going to Nintendo of America in Washington for my birthday. Yay! And I'm going to buy a bunch of Mario merchandise! Yay! Umm...very good news for me :).

Bad: Leave
Like 3D left I may leave (about %51 chance) becuase I "spent too much time on the computer". So if I leave well I may come back. The less time I spent on the computer the more chance I WON'T leave. The more I spent, the less chance of staying. So if I leave...Good bye!

Have a nice trip, hope you leaving won't be permanent. -- Sir Grodus


 * I hope so too...

This leaving stuff is very annoying, come rarewiki, PJ, 3D, and Wayoshi may not be with us -- 20:37, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Stop going on the Nintendo Nsider Forum instead PJ... 23:56, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Sigh, all the people I used to know are leaving. Time to hang out with WarioLoaf more... 01:04, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Mario Party Templates
We have Category:Mario Party mini-games, how does everybody feel about making a similar category for each Mario Party game? -- Chris 20:16, 25 February 2007 (EST)

I'm OK with that. Anyone else? Max2

Sure. 20:46, 27 February 2007 (EST)

RareWiki Official
Just a couple of hours ago, this message was added from the Rare wiki request from the co-founder of Wikia:

"I would make this, but I need a founder email address for the mailing list and Wayoshi doesn't have one set in his Preferences. If he doesn't respond, would anyone else here like to administer the wiki's mailing list? Knife, Yoshi626 or WarioLoaf all have emails set so it could be any of those."

Somehow my email was never confirmed (blasphemy! I did it already!), so yes, I'm still in charge of the mailing list. Within a matter of hours, the request will be accepted and created here. I am very busy this upcoming week, but I'll be on a little bit tomorrow and more on Tuesday to start the exodus of Banjo & Conker articles. 23:53, 25 February 2007 (EST)
 * Waaa! After all of that discussion about what to do with the articles we're saying transporting them away... man, I wish I knew that!  I could have been working on the Mushroom Kingdom article instead. :3  Oh, well.  Such is life...  So, which articles can stay?  Perhaps the Diddy Kong racing related facts about them, now regarding Banjo and Conker as we would 3rd party cameo appearances?  --Stumpers
 * The RareWiki is now OFFICIALLY CREATED. I already got permission from Steve to move all Banjo & Conker articles over, and since they are of such little importance here, I think they'll be deleted. However, all Diddy Kong Racing info (including games and statistics for each character) can stay, making the Banjo and Conker articles needing to be split. Expect a project page (RareWiki) soon. (16:09, 26 February 2007 (EST) – This won't take long) 16:03, 26 February 2007 (EST)

I'm going to need some volunteers to a) delete all articles and categories in Category:Banjo Categories and Category:Conker Categories and b) start transferring images to the RareWiki. All you need to do is join the RareWiki. There is no Multi-File Upload (as there is no extensions). Sysops on the MarioWiki must do a) and are better at b) because they can delete images immediately. For regular users, after transferring, use   on the image page. Sysops should check Category:To be deleted more often than usual during this time. 17:07, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Addtionally, please don't mark something for deletion until is has been moved. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm deleting on the assumption that this has been done. -- Chris 19:58, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Wait, shouldn't we keep the Banjo and Conker articles, they still appeared in Diddy Kong Racing. We could just alter them -- Sir Grodus


 * "However, all Diddy Kong Racing info (including games and statistics for each character) can stay, making the Banjo and Conker articles needing to be split."
 * -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 03:05, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Bestiaries
Quick question; since we already have the Paper Mario (Bestiary) I thought that we should make a Bestiary for all the Mario games. I want to have an O.K. to make them first though. Do you think this is a good idea? - Ultimatetoad 10:00, 26 February 2007 (EST)
 * Aren't bestiaries exclusive to the Paper Mario series? Correct me if I'm wrong. 16:10, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Mario And Luigi series, too. Max2 Just there's no in-game Bestiary

Well, I always thought a Bestiary was a list of enemies in a game. I do'nt know it had to be a specific game. - Ultimatetoad 17:13, 26 February 2007 (EST)


 * 1) you spelled Don't wrong 8)
 * 2) A bestiary is a list of enimies
 * 3) most people think of "Tattle log" or "glossary" instead of "maybe there isn't an in-game list"
 * 4) yeah, it is specific. you can't say Goombas are in Animal Crossing because
 * 5) Goombas aren't in animal crossing. 8) not the point...
 * 6) There aren't any enemies in Animal Crossing
 * 7) Which makes the game sorta stink. I still like it though! 8|
 * 8) Just because they are in a game, doesn't make them enemies in all games
 * Did that help? Max2

1. Thanks

Other than that what ARE you talking about. HERE is what I was thinking of:

Paper Mario (Bestiary)

Super Mario Bros. (Bestiary)

ya see? - Ultimatetoad 17:45, 26 February 2007 (EST)


 * 1) yeah, I got it at 1st
 * 2) I seriously have NO CLUE what I wrote up there. 8)
 * 3) nor do I care
 * and, You keep missplelling DON'T!!! it's not DO'NT, that's like... short for donut or something!!!
 * 1) Max2

I don't think we should necessarily call it a Bestiary, as the term isn't used in game, but an enemy list seems perfect. I would actually love to see that ;D But I'm just a user. Oh, and there ARE enemies in Animal Crossing: Cockroaches!!!! STOMP. Yeah, one of my favorite parts of the game >:D --Stumpers

Good point... Didn't think of that... Wait! this is becoming more of a conversation for "Animal Crossing Wiki"! Max2 Hmmm... a future plan?

Well, I would love to see it to, but I need a lot of people agreeing before I do it. - Ultimatetoad 18:02, 26 February 2007 (EST)

What? ACWiki or Bestiaries? Max2

WHY are we talking about an ACwiki?!? - Ultimatetoad 18:15, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Because AC is amazing--this is a talk page after all. Also, Animal Crossing has plenty of Mario references, if you wanna get all picky-style. --Stumpers

Yes AC is amazing. YES it does have plenty of Mario references......still, OFF TOPIC - Ultimatetoad 18:39, 26 February 2007 (EST)

There is an AC Wiki? Max2 8( future dreams down the toilet.

DK Wiki,Wariowiki,Banjo-Conker Wiki
I don't like the idea of other wikis merging with this wiki.I think each one of the series should have their own wiki,For example:Dk Wiki,Wariowiki,Banjo-kazooie wiki.--Fg 18:23, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Baaaaaad idea. Tried it. Did'nt work. - 18:37, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Well, theres the RareWiki, all the Conker and Banjo-Kazooie articles are being moved there. -- Sir Grodus

We could make a Wario Portal, just like the DK one.----

Dk on the new wiki
Are DK articles going to be moved to the RareWiki? I think they should stay here. - Ultimatetoad
 * They're staying here. -- Steve (talk) http://www.porplemontage.com/images/firefox_27x15.png 19:40, 27 February 2007 (EST)

So...NO DK articles on the RW? -0 !!!

I think they just won't be copied from the Super Mario Wiki, they'll be rewritten. And what of the Donkey Kong games not made by Rare, what of! -- Sir Grodus

They stay here. simple. Max2