MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. (All times GMT).
 * 3) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * 4) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 5) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 6) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 7) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 8) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 9) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 12) Proposals cannot be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 13) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 14) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in GMT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 23:59 GMT, the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is 23:59 PM of the Wednesday of the next week, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format
This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: Voting start: [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "2 January, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.] Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
 * 1) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
 * 4) Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 5) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Merge Shooting Star Summit into Star Hill. (Discuss) Passed
 * Delete the "Golden Banana Table" in the Donkey Kong 64 article. (Discuss) Passed
 * Split from Star Hill. (Discuss) Passed
 * Merge 1-Up Super into 1-Up Mushroom. (Discuss) Passed
 * Merge Presents into Present Room. (Discuss) Passed
 * Split the weekly microgames from NinSoft and contests in WarioWare: D.I.Y. into separate pages. (Discuss) Overtime

Images in Categories
Some users may know that I do a fair bit of work on image galleries. It can take a long time becuase you have to search to every page that's linked to the subject you're making a gallery on and it takes a long time. So I am proposing that we put images in the category of the game (or TV series and comics) To eg. make it easier for a user to find an image of the boxart of Super Mario Bros. 3.

Proposer: Voting start: 7:54, June 4 2010 Deadline: 23:59, June 11 2010

Support

 * 1) Per my Proposal
 * 2) Makes sense.
 * 3) This will make finding images easier.
 * 4) This will make it easier for everyone.
 * 5) Per everyone. Bulbapedia does that and it works great.
 * 6) Per all. This is a fantastic idea.
 * 7) Per Commander Code-8. It'll be easier unlike this explanation.
 * 8) I think it would be a lot easier just to go to a category to view lots of images rather than having to search all over the wiki for one image.
 * 9) Sounds good, per all.
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) Per all.

Comments
You have a good point, just lemme make a suggestion, perhaps you could rename the proposal to something like "Categorizing Images", the current name confused me a little bit :/
 * Unfortunately I'd got on after the voting time started so I can't make any changes.
 * You can still edit it until 3 days after voting start.

A question, what would the categories be called? For example, "Super Mario Bros. 3 Images"? --

Wouldn't this be just like galleries?
 * Galleries use selected images, while those categories would include every image for a game available at Super Mario Wiki. Not to mention that various game pages still don't have any galleries at all. --

Grandy02: We don't need categories such as "Super Mario Bros. 3 Images". Most games have a category of their own, So we'll just put them in those categories rather than making new ones.
 * No, we won't do that. This would mess up the category system even more than it is already. Just make a separate category for those image collections. -
 * I agree with Edofenrir. Putting all images into the game's main category would also cause an increase of loading times for the respective pages, even though if someone isn't looking for the images. --
 * You guys make a good point. I agree with you.

YouTube Channel
When I first joined the wiki, I was clueless about everything, more or less. I didn't know how to do anything or what this meant or what that meant. I still don't know how to do some things, and the help section didn't really help me. So, I propose we make a YouTube channel, with videos on it to help new users to learn about the basics of the wiki, and to show existing users some cool tricks and things to put on their userpages. It can also update about Mario series news. Zelda Wiki has a YouTube account, so does Bulbapedia. Plus, the username SuperMarioWiki is avaliable, so it would be easy for everyone to find.

Proposer: Voting start: 12:30, June 7 2010 Deadline: 23:59, June 14 2010

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) I think this would be a good way too show people things!
 * 3) Cool! Upload me some videos!

Oppose

 * 1) Per FireBabyLuigi11 below. We have articles for that. It would be lots of unnecessary work for people. I see no problem with the articles we currently have or any reason to make videos.
 * 2) Per FBL11. You could also ask a sysop.
 * 3) Ask an admin if you don't understand something. You can also use Sandbox to experiment a little.
 * 4) - This is unneeded.
 * 5) Although most of us are visual learners, try experimenting using the preview button or the sandbox. I was very confused at the beginning, but I got the hang of it.
 * 6) Per myself. Again...why do we need videos if we got articles. My work here is done!
 * 7) The articles, I believe, are adequate. As far as I know, the wiki context is pretty similar throughout wikis as well, so you can also look around the web. I don't think it is necessary, per all.
 * 8) - Per all.
 * 9) - It seems too confusing and too much work. There are too many things to handle, such as The 'Shrrom and the Forum, and not to mention this site. There would have to be more and more admins chosen, which adds to the workload.
 * 10) What will we do with the youtube account? I'm sure that if you want a youtube account you can create it yourself, like what Wayoshi did. The wiki has too many things to do to bother with Youtube. btw, per all.
 * 11) Per all, and even though we're trying out best to spread the word about this place, I doubt going the YouTube route would be of any help in the cause.
 * 12) - You know what, per me in the comments section

Comments
Um...... we have all of these in articles. Why do we need them in videos?
 * Things are much easier when explained with videos.
 * but MrConcreteDonkey, how would we make the videos? I'm sure noone wants to reveal their identity or voice. Uneeded.
 * We could subtitle it or use a text to speech.

The account name "Super Mario Wiki" appears to be invalid by Youtube's naming standards. It also refuses to accept "SuperMarioWiki". -
 * Oh...INVALID...I thought that meant it wasn't taken. Well, if we did, we would have to abreviate it, like SMarioWiki or something like that. Not sure why, it has enough letters and no user has it (The username on YT).
 * Maybe THEMARIOWIKI is a not taken, why don't you guys try it?
 * TheSuperMarioWiki is avaliable. And anyway, SuperMarioWiki is not taken but is invalid still...
 * We could do MarioWiki.
 * There are other Mario wiki sites. We would want to be denoted from others.
 * What about MARIOWIKINIWA? This is the only Mario wiki that is a part of NIWA right?
 * That is correct. The Mario Wiki is still the only one of NIWA's founding members without an account.

Though I don't think this the best way to go about it, the Help section does need, ahem, help. I can never find what I'm looking for when I occasionally go over there for a bit of assistance.
 * Yes, I agree.

What about text. That could be a problem. Different countries, Diferent languages, and also....who would make these? Porple Montage?
 * Well, if you go really hardcore about the rules, this would mean the person who has to create those videos is, as per rule #10, the proposer himself, MrConcreteDonkey. To be honest, I highly doubt this proposal is going to come to fruition. -

@KS3: I already have my own YouTube account. I am proposing for this one because the current help section we have is not good enough and videos are a more accurate ways to explain things to anyone who is stuck. The only really useful part of the help section is the signature part, the rest is hopeless. The glossary is just a list of all of the articles on the wiki, and has NO useful terms and SHOULD NOT be in there and the vandalism help page is just a load of rubbish.
 * I have to agree with Donkey there. tHe glossory is a list of every article on the wiki, and the vandalism help gives untrue info. However, the CSS help page was a big help to me.


 * Wow, that page is actually really helpful.

@7.T.c.w7468: Sometimes adequate is not good enough. We need the Super Mario Wiki to be the best it can be, and currently having an 'adequate' help section wouldn't be as good for us as having a good help section, or, as my proposal explains, videos to give detail on how to do these things.
 * OK, I abstain from voting on this until I learn how we could do this. There are only a few possibilities: One user could make an account and have loads of work to do on his own so the user had better be willing (who would be willing anyways?), we create a common account and put the username and password on a page in MW but then trolls could destroy the channel with stupid things or we create an account for just a select few members who would make the videos. The latter seems to have the highest potential but it would still be a lot of work and we'd have to have people who knew wiki stuff very well and would be active for a long time in case of any new functions/changes to policy. If we make any of those three options (or a fourth one) available, I will support.
 * @BPK, Bowser's luma, Fawful and FBL: Could you guys rethink your reasons? Correct me if I'm wrong but youtube videos just may be a little more effective than articles. Out of all the people in this world, how many know how to navigate around a wiki? How many will type "MarioWiki:Help" into the search box? How many will know to click a link? And then, if their question isn't there, how many will know how to use a talk page? Wikis are complicated things when you first get to them. Now, compare that to youtube. Millions of people already use/know what youtube is and how to use it. All you do is type the name of the video (no complicated namespaces) and then click on your favorite result - it's google in another form. Youtube would be much more convenient for help pages if we could get all that done.

Interactions in Smash Bros. Characters articles
Most of the main character articles have an interaction with other character section. I've been looking at some of the articles about Smash Bros. characters, and I thought we could do a similar thing on those articles. (eg have a section about Fox's interaction with Falco and Wolf.) Personality and Descriptions could also be done. Doing this could possibly Feature some of these articles.

Note: The interactions will only be about characters that actually appeared in a Mario-related game. So we won't have ones about Link's interaction with Midna etc. (But things such as Pit's interaction with Palutena and Snake's interaction with Roy Campbell are fine.)

Proposer: Voting start: 9:14, 12 June 2010 Deadline: 23:59, June 19 2010

Support

 * 1) Per my Proposal

Oppose

 * 1) Seems pretty pointless to me. We're the Super Mario Wiki, not the Super Solid Snake Wiki or the Super 'how well does Kirby get on with Pokémon Trainer' wiki.
 * 2) - The "Relationships with Other Characters" sections are actually dissuaded: only really major character interactions deserve sections (i.e. Mario's relationship with Peach can be written about, but Yoshi's relationship with the Princess should not get a section), and nothing in the Super Smash Bros. series qualifies by those standards (as far as the Mario series goes, at any rate).
 * 3) - MCD has the right idea, I believe there was a proposal about keeping only the Mario-related information in these exact pages and I supported that proposal for the evident logic: we are a Mario wiki.
 * 4)  I agree with MrConcreteDonkey.
 * 5) Per Walkazo.
 * 6) Well, we are the Super Mario Wiki, so we should focus on Mario related things not other Nintendo or Sega related things.

Comments
I'd also like to point out that with the new NIWA, we have enough connections that they can go to ZeldaWiki or Bulbapedia to find the relations between Link and Zelda instead of barking up the wrong tree and finding the prize by mistake (metaphors FTW).

If this fails, we will have to delete the relationship with Sonic from Mario's page.
 * Mario's relationship with Sonic was already removed from the page long ago.--

Removals
''None at the moment.

Changes
None at the moment.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.