MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has strong reasons supporting it. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 8) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 9) A user calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary, and archives the proposal.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
No current proposals.

FA Support
The FA system was replaced numerous times, only to go back to the same flawed system. No mistake has been corrected that a supporter must give a reason to support, and I have seen many users support saying "I like character he should be an FA". Well, no longer. 00:46, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Deadline: 20:00, Oct. 5

Support

 * 1) Reasons above

Oppose

 * 1) Son of Suns - Just because an article is nominated doesn't mean it will become an FA. If it is not FA worthy, opposers will oppose, and if supporters do not change the article, the nomination will eventually be dropped.  The rules state that inactive nominations will be deleted in a month.  You need to have more patience - the FA process takes a long time.  It's not even October yet.  And it's not a big deal to have a few nominations.  All a support means is that you agree with the FA requirements.  Are you proposing someone just lists all the qualities already listed on the FA page?  We would then have to remove every sigle support vote right now, because not everyone is listing every single criteria.  It doesn't make sense to have to provide a reason to support, cause all your reasons are already listed on the FA page.  All a support means is that you will work on the article.  If you don't - oh well, the article does not become an FA and the nomination is eventually deleted.

Comments
So I'm clear, your's proposing that users have better reasons for voting on FAs, right? -- Chris 01:33, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

You are not clear enough, if you mean that support vote for FA should have a better reason, I deffinatelly agree. Glowsquid


 * Maybe make to were we don't need to make comments but take out the supports like "Bowser rules", "Long live King K Rool", "Who doesn't Love Daisy?" ETC.


 * Maybe they both support the article and like the character. Some supports even say this article isn't very good, but it could be, and we allow those.  Maybe supports just shouldn't have reasons next to them? -- Son of Suns
 * I mean that a support vote for an FA should have a valid reason like our proposals need a valid reason to support. 21:33, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

X's right let's take down those votes User:Mr. Guy

It's not just America
This is something that upsets me greatly almost everywhere, not just on this site; people seem to assume that the only place where games are released in English is America. In most of the profiles here, things are said to have happened in "the American version." I want this stopped; it's not fair on other English-speaking countries. It should be refferred to as the "English version," or at the very least, "the American and European version."

Proposer: Davidk92 Deadline: 21:26 EDT

Support

 * 1) Davidk92 - My reasons given above.
 * 2) [[Image:MiniMario.png|29px]]  Minimariolover10    TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!  Yeah. Either though I do live in USA, a lot of users are still from Europe! It's not like USA is the only country that has the internet.
 * 3) Super Yoshi10 02:34, 29 September 2007 (EDT): I agree with you two because for example I live in Australia and in the mario party series koopa kid is called mini bowser!

Oppose

 * 1) There are differances between the American and PAL (Australia and Europe) games.
 * 2) From a research standpoint, to say that something is true in the European version just because it's true in the American version is a falsity, like DP says above.  I know it feels like users like me have forgotten about Europe, but as we only play the American versions, you really can't point fingers.  Whenever you see something that's true in the PAL versions as well, I hope you'll change it to say: American and PAL versions.  Everyone's just contributing what they know about, so represent Europe for us, ok?  Oh, and on a side note, no, I'm not coming back from hiatus yet.  Just checking up on things.
 * 3) - The versions are indeed different, just check Luigi's Mansion. The PAL version can be noted at some points, but the problem is that it has many different languages which may all have different names.
 * 4) Walkazo - Per above, the two versions are often different, and if they're not, it should say "Engish version". Also, us Canadians get the American games too, so it's not really the United States version, but the North America version, just so you know.
 * 5) Per Stumpers.

"Creative" header
Some lenghty article are broke up in section, each section having it own header. Some article, such as Yoshi have section-header that differ from the plain (Insert name of the game here.) formula. The problem is, those header make the wiki look informal and amateurish ("Humble Beginnings " is not something that I would qualify as profesionnal, really.), also, the fact than there is two style of headers might confuse the new users. This can really get confusing if the section don't mention the name of the game (Which is quite often.), the proposal is to get rid of all these "creative" header and replace them with more professional-sounding one.

Proposer: Glowsquid Deadline: October 6 15:00 EDT

Crush 'em

 * 1) Glowsquid I am the proposer and my reasons are given above.
 * 2) Mr.Vruet That's a good idea accually.
 * 3) Walkazo - I find some of these creative headlines way to cutesy for an encyclopedia, and sometimes the actual game isn't even mentioned in the section. While we don't necessarily have to label each sub-section as the game it concerns, we should make sure it is totally clear what game we're talking about.

Let them be

 * 1) Son of Suns - I think I started this trend. I got the idea from Wookiepedia.  Events are described in-universe, so I tried to create headers that described the events in the game.  I think sub-headers can be "creative", but should sound more encyclopedic.  Headers should describe a character's role in a game or the general events of the game.  However, I don't think all articles need to be written in this style.  Unlike Wikipedia, it's okay to have different style articles here, and users can decide how they want to order an article.  King K. Rool might work better listing events game by game by release date, but Yoshi might work better with "creative headers", as some games take place in the past.  I think a lot of sub-headers need to be written better, or changed (which you are free to do Glowsquid) but I think the style is just fine.  And I don't think it's confusing - it just shows the variety of writing styles on the wiki.
 * 2) - per SoS.
 * 3) Per Cobold

Comments
SOS: By "confusing", I meant it might confuse the new user on hwo to write those headers, what to do, a creative header or a plain one? Glowsquid


 * Oh I understand, and I think new users will either pick a style or just ask someone for help, or even pick a different style based on the article they are writing. -- Son of Suns

One of the problems with this proposal is that some articles, such as Goomba, group many games under one header. It would be foolish to split the header into multiple headers listing each game, especially when there is not a lot of information. Also, a long header listing every game in that section would not make sense. And, according to Chronology, headers should be listed in a relative chronological order. If we just stick to game names as headers, we would have two Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time sections in certain articles.

I guess I am confused what a "creative" header is or not. That is a very relative term. What would this proposal do exactly? What is a "professional" header? I do believe the header needs to give reference to the events of the game and the name of the game needs to be mentioned in the section, but I don't believe a header needs to simply say the name of the game. Sections are supposed to name the game they are talking about - that's the source of the information. It's wiki policy, but some users may have forgot to put the name of the game in. We simply need to correct those errors. So.....what would this proposal change? -- Son of Suns
 * Errmm.. By "Profesional", I mean that the header left no doubt about what it's talking about without reading lile something out of a fanfiction or an a promotional ad. Header like "Bowser Strike Again!" doesn't tell the reader what it's talking about, and sound like something out of an ad. However, header like "Mario third adventure" is already a little better, since the reader have an hint on what it's talking about and it doesn't sound too POV-ish.

I don't think splitting up an header in each is "foolish, like you say. They appear in a game, it's notable. There's not a lot of information? Add some more! As for the Goomba appeatring in both past and presents in PIT... well, I can't say anything about that. -Glowsquid


 * So as long as the header refers to the events of the game (such as "The Invasion of Dinosaur Land" or something), the header is fine? And I think it is important to have some games under one header, as long as the paragraph(s) state what games are being talked about.  For example, in the Goomba article, I combined games that take place in the past to show that Goombas had a small role in games that take place in the past.  This section also combines info from other titles that refer to past events (such as Super Mario Bros. and Mario Superstar Baseball).  I also combined the events of Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels in another section, as the second game does not add much info to the first - not everything can just magically have more info added to it.  Additionally, there is a section that descibes the events of Super Mario Land, Super Mario Land 2, and the Wario Land series.  The paragraphs are written to make sense of all the information as a whole, not divided into sections.  By forcing a section title into the article, the entire flow can be disrupted.  I think writers should be given more freedom.  I can't stand articles that have tons of section titles but one sentence per section.  It is okay to consolidate information if it makes sense.  Each article will have its own unique circumstances, so how the article is divided into sections should have its own unique rules.  I do agree a lot of titles are silly - but you can change them.  Be bold and active.  It's not a big deal to make them more professional looking.  "Bowser Strikes Back" can easily become "Conquering Mushroom World" or something like that.  -- Son of Suns

Deleting stubs
It seems we have a rule that any new Stub articles are to be deleted. However I think that instead the rewrite template should be placed on the article, and if it isn't rewritten in a certain amount of time, it will be deleted, as simply deleting new Stub articles may discourage some newer users, also having SOME info should be better then having NONE, right?
 * Proposer: Uniju :D
 * Deadline: 20:00, Oct. 15

Support

 * 1) I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.
 * 2) Glowsquid Stub may eb created because the editor don't have much time or there isn't much to say to begin with, I saw perfectly sized and well written articles deleted because of that retarded rule, I still say that one-liner (X is a character in a game, Pirate Goomba is a Pirate Goomba.) should be deleted, thought.
 * 3) Walkazo - Per Uniju and Glowsquid.

Oppose

 * 1) Stub articles should not be made, full stop. We need a lot of information on the subject, not one or two sentences.
 * 2) You can always find at least five things to say about something, what game it is, what it looks like, etc.
 * 3) Per Plumber

Comments
DP, what if its something small that doesn't have a lot of info to put? Should we make some kind of list, "Articles that aren't big enough to be articles"?
 * I am highly against all Stub articles, articles that don't have much information should NOT get their own articles. Unless it is from an unreleased game.
 * Having SOME info is much better then having NONE. Without these articles our encyclopedia is incomplete, who cares if there isn't much info, it still exists, and deserves an encyclopedia entry.

Shrowser
We all know the game MLPIT and we all know Elder Princess Shroob and that she is the supposed final boss of the game but she's not no the real one is Shrowser the shoobified Bowser who is merged with the Elder Shroob. But I think that Shrowser is worthy enough to be it's on article and not be merged with the elder princess shroob so I say we need to split these into two separate articles.

Proposer Deadline Oct 7 21:00 EDT

Split

 * 1) My reasons above
 * 2) I definately agree, if we have an article on Macho Grubba (Who si the same person as plain Grubba is.), Shrowser deffinately deserve an article.- Glowsquid
 * 3) Son of Suns - It is an officially named alternate form - Shrowser deserves an article.
 * 4) - per SoS. Also, I rather thought this is a form of Bowser than E.P.S. (, though I haven't played the game).
 * 5) Walkazo - "Shrowser" is different from Bowser and Elder Princess Shroob and it would make sence for the information on "it" to be included in a seperate article instead of under Bowser or EPS or both.
 * 6) Shrowser is, indeed, a differant character. We have an article on Bowletta, so Shrowser deserves an article.
 * Per, all the other guys.
 * 1) Unlike Mr. L and Rookie, Shrowser has different powers, such as Macho Grubba and Bowletta. 23:36, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Keep The Same

 * 1) its still the same person.

Comments
Unlike Bowletta, where Cackletta is cleary in charge of Bowser's body, who exactly controls Shrowser is questionable (and makes for interesting content in the Shrowser article). Bowser keeps his physical appearance and speech mannerisms - the Elder Princess Shroob mushroom seems to merely power him up. However, the Elder Princess Shroob clearly directs Bowser's attacks. As such, both Bowser and the Elder Princess Shroob are in control of the body. Just something I wanted to point out. -- Son of Suns

As I see it, EPS was a mushroom, then Bowser ate the mushroom, releasing her spirit (hense it was floating above Shrowser's head) but absorbing her power (that's why "he" was invincible and kept commenting on how great "he" felt, etc.). Since Bowser had EPS's power she had some comtrol over his attacks, but as SOS said, Bowser was ultimately incharge of his mind and body. Anyway, the point I really want to make is the fact that in the game "Shrowser" isn't actually named (you can't target them and they're never really addressed in the dialogue). What I'd like to know is where the name "Shrowser" came from and if it is actually canocal. - Walkazo

Move Chat Exclusively to Forum
The Super Mario Wiki has two primary functions: one – create the greatest database of Mario knowledge in the world, and two – unite a community of Mario fans to a common place. The wiki has been successful in both areas, although at times these two areas interfere with each other. Users interested in the community have used the encyclopedia as a playground for fun. Issues in the chat have flamed wars in the wiki, etc. This could turn off potential new users, users who could be great writers and know a lot about the Mario series. I think we need to make the distinction between the two functions clearer. Therefore, I am proposing that we move the Chat exclusively to the forum. Since the forum is a seperate website from the main wiki, new users will not encounter all the fighting in the chat, which is easily accessible from the wiki right now. As such, most community related content will be located off the main wiki. The wiki is first and foremost an encyclopedia, and should be treated professionally (but with fun). However, this would not deny community-focused members a forum and chat for their ideas and randomness. The areas will just be more distinct. User sub-pages will still be allowed, so users can still collaborate on comics and stories. I am just tired of problems in the chat affecting the main wiki, when I feel they should be dealt with on the forum where more community related content is located. Sysops can work on the encyclopedia, while moderators can monitor the forum and chat. As such, sysops can hopefully work on the wiki without having to manage community-related problems. Don't get me wrong. Both parts of the wiki are important - but they should not interfere with each other. Right now, I think the chat is one of the main interferences that can be remedied by moving it to the community-based forum.

Proposer: Son of Suns Deadline: 15:00, October 7

Move Chat to Forum

 * 1) User: Son of Suns - I am the proposer and my reasons are given above.
 * 2) Glowsquid Per SOS.
 * 3) Chat=Much less edits, and per SoS
 * 4) Per Son of Suns

Leave Chat on Wiki

 * 1) No. I personally think it belongs on the Wiki. If I recall, someone has proposed this before, and the outcome ended up keeping it on the Wiki. Also, what Xzelion said makes sense. What you said makes sense as well, but keeping it on the Wiki will attract more members. ~Huntercrunch
 * 2) – the chat will retreat to inactiveness again, which will defeat the secondary purpose of this wiki, partially. Also, who says an upset user is suddenly going to complain in a forum thread instead of user talk by instinct? Most likely, they will think user talk will get an offending user's attention faster than a forum thread – the new messages box is more noticeable than the PM text, thus chat issues and therefore flames will still be brought up. Thus, the overall reason for my oppose is that the move will not correct the current issue.
 * 3) Per Wayoshi.
 * 4) -I don't think moving it will be a difference. There will still be people. Besides, think of the innocent people who will miss out as well.
 * 5) Per Wayoshi.

Comments
Only problem about this, is not everyone has an email address (needed to access chat on the forums) and wish to chat are at a crossroads.

wel, it'll prevent spam, and also silver mario! :P


 * I don't see how it would prevent spam.


 * If you need an e-mail to use the forum, it would at least prevent anonymous users from accessing the chat. And by going from the wiki to the forum to the chat, there would be more levels between spammers and the chat. -- Son of Suns
 * Before it was moved to the wiki (though it was only about a day), guests were able to open the chatroom. 23:44, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Pers, I agrees...
Okay every time I go on here I noticed several users say "Per ___" "I agree" or "___ is right" but I think these shouldn't be said all the time because whoever say those are to lazy to think of something.

Proposer: Mr. Guy Deadline: 2 October 17:00 EDT.

Prevent constant these

 * 1) - These are plain annoying

Just let them

 * 1) – I don't see how they're really a problem. They're still reasons; they're done simply because people do agree and don't want to completely repeat each other, not because they're too lazy to think of something.
 * 2) Ironicly, Per YY
 * 3) - When you force everyone to make up their own reasons, you have a set limited number of votes there can be.
 * 4) per Cobold. We have so few active users, limiting ourselves further is suicide.
 * 5) Per YY398. --
 * 6) Walkazo - A lot of the time whatever comment I would've made has already been said, it'd be stupid to say the exact same thing, and as YY398 said, way to repetative. By saying Per_ or whatever we're proving that we actually read through it all and thought about it before signing our names. How's that lazy?
 * 7) Per everyone (indeed, I am too lazy to think up something that others have already put into words)
 * 8) -C'mon, we can't all think of different reasons. Sometimes we have the same opinions.
 * 9) Per the other guys, what if you thought of it, then saw someone else had already said the same thing?

Comments
And by the way, you shouldn't call others "lazy" when you're not adding a "Comment" headline, not making a line break, not even filling in the deadline. - 10:41, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, and shouldn't this be under Miscellaneous? It's not exactly a removal. - Walkazo
 * Yes, it should and has been moved accordingly. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 23:15, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. - Walkazo

Fanvotes
Okay on several featured article pages there are fan votes, however due to a recent fight this is getting nowhere so let's just have a proposal on it.

Prevent them

 * 1) 100% Unneeded
 * 2) The FA's are supposed to be about the quality of the article, not wether you like the character or not.
 * 3) -Per DP. Remember Doopliss?

Keep Them

 * 1) Son of Suns - How can you prevent a fan vote? Any vote could be a fan vote.  Votes with justification could be fan votes.  Votes with "per so-and-so" could be fan votes.  And since the FA system does not favor a majority, it does not matter.  One oppose will stop a million support votes.
 * 2) - Per SoS.

Comments
Err... We already have proposal about this very matter. - Glowsquid


 * I guess this is against "fan votes" while the other is that support votes need to be justified. So they are a little different. -- Son of Suns


 * Besides, the first proposal isn't written very clearly. - Walkazo

Anyway, I'd also like to say that while fan votes seem a bit arbitrary SOS's point about the FA system not going by majority has stopped me from voting. If the fan votes don't actually effect the outcome, than I don't feel they're doing any real harm. However, I would also like to say that "per so-and-so" isn't a fan vote, it's just saying that the person's voting for the same reason(s) as another person and simply doesn't want to reiterate those reasons. - Walkazo

Well a fen vote is something like "I like Bowser"
 * That's what I'm trying to say basically, though also if there are no reasons given it will be removed. 23:44, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


 * That means all support votes should be removed, as they don't list all the criteria on the FA page (that's all a support vote means without having to rewrite the criteria for every single vote). Some votes even say the article is poor in some criteria - so those would be removed as well (even though Plumber stated that's okay - but no justification is not?).  And once you start removing support votes - well, there will probably be no more FAs for a long long time, as a lot of people vote for both the article and the article's subject.  Those votes push an nomination to the 5 support vote minimum.  And how can you qualify a fan vote?  WaluigiFan voted for the Waluigi article - he hasn't supported any other FA nominations.  Should his vote be removed? I know if see Puprle Yoshi voting for a Yoshi series related article, I will suspect he is only doing so because "Yoshi" is in his user name.  Should his vote be removed?  I don't know - I don't know if he is voting for the character or the article.  No one knows.  Even if they justify the vote with a reason, that does not mean they are voting for the quality of the article.  And that's not a bad thing.  Again, a support vote does not mean the article will become an FA - it is simply a pledge. And Purple Yoshi - the Doopliss article is really really good compared to what it was before.  If a fan hadn't voted for it, it would still be a very very bad article.  But because of a fan vote, the article has been transformed.  It may not be FA quality, but it is getting there, all because of a fan vote.  Fan votes get users excited about working on articles - even experienced users.  When I see the nomination template on the top of an article, if I like that character, I know I will want to work as hard as I can to get the character and the article on the main page.  The ends do justify the means in this case, as fan votes will not automatically given an article FA status, but its nomination via fan votes can get users excited to work on the article, simply because it is their favorite character.  As long as articles are getting better, who cares why they are?  Fan votes should stay.


 * And after all that, I must say I think your main concern with fan votes is the votes from users whose only edit is the FA supprt vote itself. In the  Improvement Drive, I made the rule that you have to have at least one edit that is note a vote somewhere on the wiki.  Something to think about.  -- Son of Suns

Community related issue on Main Page:Talk
After talking a bit with Son of Suns, I think that community-related issue should'nt be brought up on the Main page talk.

Why?

First, the constant drama make us look like a bunch of idiots, remmember when Max2 threatened to leave for the first time, or when Wayoshi was revealed to be a spammer on the chat? Those ridiculous events very likely turned a lot of potential users off. You hate a guy and want to ramble on how much of a waste of carbon he is? Fine, but do it on the forum, geez.

Second: This site is an encyclopedia, something most seem to forgot. You can chat with anyone at any time via the chat or the User talkpage, you can create sub-page that are not even related to editing such as sprite comic or fan-fiction archive, you can upload fours personnal image of your and waste our precious image space, this is being very generous. Some may being more inclinated toward the community side, I understand this choice. But please, don't mess with the editing space! This can be very annoying for users that don't want to be involved in more social-activities.

Proposer: Glowsquid Deadline: October 6 21:00 EDT

Prevent community-stuff from being brought up on the Main Page Talk.

 * 1) Glowsquid I am the proposer and my reasons are given above.
 * 2) Per Glowsquid
 * 3) Per Glowsquid
 * 4) Per the other guys, who per Glosquid. :P
 * 5) I agree. Per Glowsquid.

No, let it stay the same.

 * 1) The Main Page talk is a community portal, as well as being a place of minor topics of discussion for those who cannot use the forum

Comments
Wayoshi's event had significant effect on the wiki itself, as he resigned from his administrative rights. It's a somehow bad example. - 12:37, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
 * And..? It still very likely turned off a lot of potential users and may also have annoyed a few veterans, while the event did affect the wiki overall, it was started out of something community based that wasn't related to the editing aspect and should have been brought up on the forum.

Glowsquid
 * I don't think so. Also, the "turning off of potential users" is a very weak argument. It is a place for the Main Page talk to announce one's resignation as a sysop/bureaucrat/whatever. - 15:38, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Ahem, I agree that the Main Page should annouce the resignation of someeoen since it affect the editing side of the wiki (Less prevention of vandalism, ect.), however, the original "ZOMG! Wayoshi is Willy!" thing should have been brought up on the forum since it didn't have much to do with the editing aspect.

Glowsquid
 * As long as it only concerned the Willy on the Chat, of course. I can never tell them apart, all of those Willys. - 15:43, 1 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Willy = Wayoshi trolling on the chat.

Willy on Wheel = The guy who made an enormemous amount of sockpuppet and vandalised the wiki.

Hope to have helped. Glowsquid

Wayoshi/Willy also hacked into Hk's account and vandalized the main page. 23:44, 2 October 2007 (EDT)