MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
''None at the moment.

Remove Featured Image Template From Main Page
Well, I'm am removing my other proposal and replacing it with this. Although I don't think we should get rid of the F.I. completely, I think that we should instead put it on the 'Shroom, which I would be glad to put it under my section (The Music & Artwork Team). We could still have the voting, and we could possibly link to the voting page on the sidebar, but it should go off of the Main Page (it will reduce loading time as well as get rid of some of the clutter on the Main Page). A link to what the page would look like after can be found here.

Proposer: Deadline: Thursday, 13 August 2009, 17:00

Remove Template

 * 1) Per my reasons above, as well as the second sentence of Time Q's first comment below.
 * 2) Sure, I'll support Super Mario Bros.!  Never really liked it.
 * 3) Per SMB.
 * 4) I think the featured picture will suit it just right in the shroom. Much better than in the main page, anyway.
 * 5) - What the editors choose to put in The 'Shroom is their choice, but if the FIs are removed from the Main Page, they should be removed outright; other than that, I support this proposal. While pictures are nice, the FI takes up a lot of space on our crowded Main Page. The FAs showcase user talent, whereas the FIs are just Nintendo's accomplishment; there's no doubt the FAs are meant to be on the Main Page, but compared to them, the image just seems like a tacked-on extra bit of bling. The Main Page has never been minimalisic, and I think it looked better before the FIs, Polls and Tourneys came along.

Keep Template

 * 1) If we take the featured Image off the Main Page it will look very boring and I like having it on the main page SO KEEP IT!
 * 2) per all. also, who keeps removing my vote!?
 * 3) Other professinal wiki's have a Featured Image, and it really brightens up the Main Page
 * 4) Having information and Mario related subjects actually tells newcomers that we are a Mario Wiki. It also shows them the best of what this Wiki has to offer. By doing that, it gives a good first impression, as well. And as we have already scrapped the quote of the day, we don't exactly want the main page to be that bare, do we?
 * 5) Well, the Quote of the day proposal was Good.... but if we keep deleting main page content... i think it'd be better having no Main Page then.
 * 6) – Per Porplemontage's comment below, the quote of the day had DPL tags and everything, this is only one image. I don't know if it should be kept anyway, because it shows work of Nintendo, not our editors, whereas the Featured Article shows work of our editors, but since the FIs will just get moved to The 'Shroom anyway, I'm opposing this.
 * 7) The Featured Image on the Main Page is an important part of most good, extensive wikis such as this. The FI is probably not one of the things you want to remove from the main page in this wiki; removing it will make the main page look less attractive, and so removing it (from the main page) is not worth the reduction in loading time (which isn't much of a difference anyway).
 * 8) Per all, and Steve's comment below. One more image is not going to make enough of a difference in loading time, anyway. It's a nice feature that makes the wiki look more interesting; it shows that we are not only proud of our work (the articles), but Nintendo's as well (the artwork). Besides, it shows the kind of quality that this wiki will really appreciate users to bring to us.
 * 9) As Porplemontage says below, there's a fundamental and important difference between QOTD and this. Images are loaded after other content by web browsers, so no real slowdown is caused by the FI. And IMO, the main page looks worse without it.

Comments
I'm not sure. On the one hand, unlike the Featured Articles, what we're featuring here is NOT an achievement of our wiki and our editors, but rather of Nintendo, or whoever made the images. So the FIs are a bit pointless. On the other hand, I think they do make the main page more attractive, and we shouldn't undervalue that. They could attract new editors. If we wanted to clean the main page of all things that are not directly useful for the wiki, not much would be left. So I'd say, before removing the FIs, rather get rid of the Poll and Tournament thingies.


 * Also, the FI''s change weekly, and the Shroom monthly, so should we out the 4 images?

per Tucayo. the whole consept of the FI would need to change. You can't have a monthly FI that would kill it! Lu-igi board 16:59, 7 August 2009 (EDT)


 * I dunno, soon we're going to run out of images anyway

A couple of responses. Time Q: The Tournament template can't be ridden of (it has not been a month, so no one is allowed to make a proposal to delete it). Perhaps it can be moved to the Pipe Plaza (or the 'Shroom, whichever one). Tucayo: What do you mean? Lu-igi board: When did I ever say there would only be one FI put on there? If there are four from each time the 'Shroom is released, then 4 can go on there. I could run the section, but the users can still vote. I would post them up there on the 'Shroom (in my section), and I'd still mark the images with the FI Template that I made.


 * I meant what you said to Lu-igi Board :)
 * Oh, okay. :)

Ok, do any of the oppose votes even state a good reason? All they look like to me is 2 users saying that they like the template and it should stay for that reason. They don't mention any reasons of how keeping it will benefit the wiki. I think they should be removed. Anybody agree?
 * Tough one. I'm not sure about some of the votes. I think GalacticPetey (and thusly Lu-igi board, who "pers all") has a valid reason: "The Main Page will look boring." He states why taking it off the main page would be bad for the wiki in his opinion, and that's ok. Egg Yoshi's reason seems to be: "Another thing has just been taken off the main page." I don't think that's valid. SMB, you say "per my reasons above", but there are no reasons. BMB just says "I never really liked it." Well, it's his opinion. But is it a valid reason? I'm not sure, but I wouldn't say so. Wayoshi's reason is not valid. By taking FIs off the main page, we wouldn't feature images other than artwork and box art either, so...
 * It's not up to them to make the super convincing point for it to stay; it's up to you to make the point that it should go. You give the reason that you want it in your 'Shroom section, and that's it. The "loading issue" is ridiculous--there's got to be a balance between acceptable content and how quickly the page loads. If all we cared about was load times the main page would simply say "Wiki Hi." The quote thing made a big difference because the wiki was having to do work to pull up a quote; remember this is just one image we're talking about here.
 * Ok, I also added another reason, read it carefully, it is only a couple of more words added on. Also, that can make my vote valid, as well as BMB's, as he said "Sure, I'll support Super Mario Bros.!", which I think means that he is in agreement with me. Now that I look at it, GalacticPetey's (and Lu-igi board's, who voted after I put my comment) vote are valid, and I agree that Wayoshi's and Egg Yoshi's vote are not valid, and that they should be removed.

Why don't we have an 'image of the day' thing a bit like Random Quote?

wunt work. alot of images are boring/blury. No one wants to see rubbish images on the front page. Lu-igi board 04:05, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

If we do move the FI to the Shroom, wouldn't that mean just moving the extra loading time to it? I daresay that the Shroom has enough content already, without it having to bear an extra template. I think things are fine the way they are. Some of the comments above may be invalid, but they count as a vote overall. If the users returned to this and posted a valid reason, then maybe we can actually debate on this issue, rather than talking about invalid votes and invalid reasons. After all, isn't the Proposal page for talking about proposals, not just the additional nuggets of information that come with it? But if that's the way this Wiki is run, then that's fine by me. Also, Super Mario Bros, you didn't nessecarily include a reason for removing FI - for the people who didn't catch your last proposal.

as i said before, even if it's not needed it's like something tht suits a main page, also, if wee keep deleting things... The main page will become boring.

looks like the FI is staying where it belongs. XD Lu-igi board 11:27, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, if the amount of opposes stays the same, and supporters get at least one more vote, the proposal will be extended. XD

I think Jardim's (and thus, Koopalmier's) vote is invalid, as it only states that the FI's make him feel proud as a Mario fan. Although i almost as much as idolize Mario myself, this does not prove my point wrong and doesn't help. Also, I think that T.c.w7468's vote is invalid, as the statement is not true (go here, also, the wiki would not just go bad if we remove one feature from the main page. If it doesn't work, then I'll make a proposal to add it back, perhaps I can ask the administrators to override the proposal if it doesn't work (they are within their rights). But I don't see this ruining the wiki if the FIs are moved to the 'Shroom. I don't see why that isn't feasible.

Whoah, I'm surprised my vote got removed. FIs on Wikipedia are actual photographs of things usually. We are stuck to mainly artwork because that's the only canonical thing that looks good. It just doesn't fit in this wiki to me. 21:28, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
 * That actually seems like a fitting reason to me. Go ahead and put your comment in your vote or something. :) Also, does anybody agree that Jardim's, Koopalmier's, and T.c.w7468's votes are invalid? 21:49, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Seeing as this is a question of aesthetics (and thus, personal taste), it gets difficult to decide where the line between "fan votes" (to borrow an FA/FI term) and valid opinions is. Jardim's reflecting on the images themselves, and not their effect on the Main Page per se, so I'd be tempted to agree that his vote (and thus Koopalmier's vote as well) is invalid the way it is written now. However, it's clear that he's trying to tell us that removing the FIs is bad because it robs the Main Page of those great images and the feelings they inspire in users, so asking him to reword his vote would be the fairest course of action (instead of or in addition to removing the vote - either one works). T.c.w7468's vote is misguided, but just because all good wikis don't actually have FIs doesn't change the fact that he feels main page images should be a staple of good wikis (and therefore he believes we would benefit from our FI remaining), so I say that should stay. The knee jerk reaction is that a vote reading "it looks good this way" isn't valid, but that's largely the point of this proposal: which way looks better? -
 * I think I agree with Walkazo's opinion on the validity of the votes. Since the deadline is not too far away, I'm removing Jardim's and Koopalmier's votes, but I'm going to tell them on their talk pages. I, personally, still can't decide for either side to support. Both make good points, so I'll just wait what the other users want.
 * I changed my vote description, do you guys think it's good enough?
 * Yup, it's valid now. Thanks!

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Miscellaneous
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