Talk:Rope

This begs the question of the name being official.


 * It's official, what other name can it be given?--
 * Something gimmicky.
 * It's official for Super Mario World. 11:04, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Question
I have an odd request. I know that the tightropes in Super Mario Sunshine let you jump higher and higher on them each time to a point. Could someone who has a copy of Sunshine lying around or even the ISO and an emulator turn on the game and tell me how many jumps it takes to reach the maximum height? And also how much higher (ballpark me a percentage) it is than the first jump? And how much higher the subsequent jumps are?--Reversalmushroom (talk) 17:20, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Split into Tightrope
There is a number of issues with tightrope being included here. It is included in a really awkward and extremely clunky way in this article for seemingly no reason at all other than that it's a rope. This is evidenced by how the paragraph for the tightrope section opens like it already is its own article, even going to the lengths of boldfacing the first mention of a tightrope. This further makes it so that the article at its current state reads like two articles that are haphazardly glued together in a really awful manner. Upon a closer inspection of how the two subjects work mechanically within the frameworks of the games they're featured in, they don't even act similarly. The only resemblance to similarity is how the rope mentioned from Super Mario World wiggles from side to side but that is a really big stretch. Why this is allowed to be is beyond me, and this needs a change.

Proposer: Deadline: December 29, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) – Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per RY.
 * 3) I'm not a fan of catch-all articles, especially when there are noticeable differences between what's being caught. Per all.
 * 4) "It's a kind of rope so it should be here!" is not a good reason to put something here, which seems like the reason it's here in the first place. Tightropes and normal ropes have noticeable differences.
 * 5) A rope you swing on and a rope you walk on are quite different. The only similarity is that they're technically made out of the same material. That's obviously not an excuse to consider them the same thing.

Oppose

 * 1) Per Bazooka Mario in the comments.
 * 2) Per Bazooka Mario's comments. Rewrite the page is the best we can do.
 * 3) - Per Bazooka Mario in the comments.
 * 4) Per all. This article was intended to be a catch-all page when its content has several kinds of ropes: the ropes in Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country are different from each other, but you also have ropes treated as jumpropes and props (Get a Rope). The article can benefit from an expansion (such as ropes in Pitifall, Picking Panic, Treacherous Tightrope, Jumpin' Rope, Grin and Bar It, Rope Ravine, Rope Climb, Rope a Slope, Seer Terror, Border Jump, and New Super Mario Bros. Wii) to the point where it doesn't seem like tightrope looks so disjoint from the rest of the article. Jumprope isn't listed frequently either (and jumpropes are frequently present in my examples), and it may balance the weird amount of coverage on tightropes. All in all, this is an expansion problem, not a haphazard attempt to link two articles together.

Comments
This page should also be rewritten. It seems that the information is throw on the page and they have no consistency. Does Mario can hold the rope with his hands without walking on it, at the monkey way? -- 14:06, 15 December 2015 (EST)
 * I believe so, but the article makes no mention of it. 14:22, 15 December 2015 (EST)

So, we're splitting one kind of rope from the others (<-emphasis; this isn't an article on just two types of ropes). One rope is the one you cling on while something moves it along the rail. Another rope is you hanging on it and climbing across it. There are jumpropes mentioned here as well. Ropes can also be pulled for a result. Are you sure that splitting a part of this page is the best way to go, considering that you're splitting off only one type of rope compared to the rest (with the result's being a page with a conjectural title)? 14:22, 15 December 2015 (EST)


 * It would be more acceptable to just rewrite the page so that it doesn't sound like two articles have been merged into one. Conjectural titles are not ideal. Chocolate Mario (talk) 14:28, 15 December 2015 (EST)
 * Yeah, that's my thoughts. The organization's poor, but my major issue with this proposal is that it acts like there's just two types of ropes; I don't fault it for that because the article's written as if there are two types, but on closer inspection, this article is supposed to be a catch-all page (with a few dumb mentions) to ropes and maybe it's because tightopes appear in several games it seems to have gotten its own section. We can just cut off the lv. 2 header and improve the coherency, and it might be serviceable (otherwise, jumprope should get its own page). 14:37, 15 December 2015 (EST)
 * Agreed, there's many types of ropes when you look closely, and they are nowhere near notable enough to all get their own page (even the main Rope article may be slightly unnecessary, but other generic subjects have pages...) Chocolate Mario (talk) 14:44, 15 December 2015 (EST)

Roy Koopa: What's a "normal rope"? Are jumpropes normal ropes? And what about overhead ropes? And the ropes you cling on to in Super Mario World? Why should all remain in the rope page while tightrope gets split off? 22:40, 17 December 2015 (EST)

Andymii, if we give a page to tightrope, so we should give a page to all different ropes that appear in the Mario series. (eg: Jumprope, like Bazooka Mario mentioned).-- 17:56, 20 December 2015 (EST)
 * I wouldn't mind doing that, but within reason. There will be no slippery slopes here. "Rope" is a broad term that can encompass a whole variety of cords that have different appearances, different functions, and usually different names. If you can find a game in which a skipping rope was notable used, create an article for it, by all means.