Talk:Shadoo

Would this guy be all the enemies in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials? They're all just shadow-versions of the enemies. And he is able to turn into anything he sees. Maybe he just copied every enemy in the game and you fight him all throughout the Pit. Just a theory.

Probably, but not proven.

Do you think he has something to do with the Pixl Queen? He seems to share a lot of similarities with her, such as his creation by the Ancients and his transforming ability. He even mentions that he wants revenge against both the Ancients AND the Pixls! Is it possible that the Pixl Queen survived and turned into Shadoo so he/she/it could plot against them in secret?--Twigz 07:52, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

I doubt it. You could just as easily say that he is Mimi's father, or that he is a Duplighost. --Edrobot 11:37, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

He's also really similar to Anuboo, though that's probably unintentional. CrossEyed7 07:53, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Wow, good point. I don't own Super Paper Mario, neither have I played it, but these Images say it all! He/She does resemble the Anuboo a bit, and has similar powers. Worthy of Trivia, IMO.

Catch Cards
Why does one of the catch cards seems to be separate from the others?

Shadoo's form
I recently played this game and went through the whole flopside pit, and it is heavily implied that the thing you fight is not directly Shadoo. Let me explain (I put them is separate paragraphs to spread them out a bit):

Firstly, completing the pit the first time puts you in a conversation with this Shadoo, and some point during the speech, a wierd blink happens accompanied by the sound of a camera shutter, or a mechanical eye in some sci fi films, which isn't really taken note of at all, and when I saw this I thought that maybe Shadoo is a type of computer that copies creature data and attempts to copy and possibly even attempt to replace those creatures, this could explain why the pit is filled with just dark forms of many enemies, in the same way there were dark forms of the four heroes. The part about possibly replacing them is suggested when Shadoo mentions its plan (to basically replace the heroes) and that it could additionally have the plan to replace everything.

Secondly, after completing the pit a second time, it announces that 'your clones are ready' (or complete) suggesting not only that the dark forms of these would be around at the same time (notice the s in clones) and that the clones were simply created by this thing but also that the procedure must have taken some time for it to mention that they are 'complete'. The term clones also makes sense, because for Shadoo’s plan to work, it would help if he had a clone for each hero to exist at the same time, otherwise it would seem weird that only one hero makes an appearance at a time. Another thing about this is that because Shadoo requested you to do the Pit a second time, it could be Shadoo knew that they were the heroes, but wished them to do the pit again so it could copy your move set, through observation of your efforts in the pit, which might also show why it said your clones are ready the second time as opposed to simply attacking you the first time. I thought that after the battle how much Shadoo reminds me of malfunctioning computers, that go against its original programming, and that I thought that it could have been a referenc e to HAL 9000 (from 2001: a space odyssey).

Thirdly, the creature evidently talks in a computerised voice judging by the speech bubble and indeed the speech it gives itself, which only mechanical things can (such as Tiptron, Fracktail and Wracktail). Pixls, in the way this thing is implied to be the old Pixl queen, do not have the same speech bubbles.

Finally, none of the cards of dark creatures say that the Dark characters (especially the heroes), are Shadoo, in fact the only reference to Shadoo being anything is when the thing introduces itself, also of note is that when the clone of Mr L appears, notice that the bubble disappears and is replaced by the one that the clone is talking with, suggesting it moved its voice into the clone (although that could also have happened for the simple reason that something was happening and that commentary would be completely unnecessary) BUT it also seemed unusual for the Mr L clone to speak in such an odd way, which was different to how Shadoo spoke before the clone appeared, which might support the clone and Shadoo as two separate entities. The part about Luigi speaking might actually simply be a reference to how Luigi Speaks a lot in the Paper Mario series as opposed to Mario, the silent protagonist, by having his clone speak.

Right I think I just about covered everything I thought up. DarkNintendo 23:34, 8 November 2008 (EST)

You could probably incorporate that data into the article. 17:13, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Well, I would but I am awaiting a criticism, just in case someone has something they wish to add that supports the clones as Shadoo and not as simple enemies created by Shadoo. Otherwise, it would look like a rather drastic piece of speculation that could mess up the whole article, I would possibly need approval from many more people, before it could be allowed to be mentioned. I might, at the very least, try to neutalise the article, which does not necessarily support either possibility, and goes with what is knowable JUST through playing the game. DarkNintendo 19:04, 9 November 2008 (EST)

The Counts Old Man?
I know this seems unlikely but is it possible that Shadoo is Bleck/Blumire's father?--Luigibros2 13:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Actually it is possible Shadoo is a Pixl because it is said Mimi is a failed Pixl experiment and she has a normal speech bubble. Aluigi, The Luigi Legend! Whut Stuff? 14:32, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Speculation
Everything, and I mean everything written above is just speculation and nothing more. As such, it has no place in this article. Not even in the Trivia section, which is overly long as it is. We base information on what we can explicitly see from the games. Anything else should be left up to the player/reader.


 * If this is about what I wrote above, I have taken that into account and not rewrote the article to explicitly say what I think but I neutralised the article saying what can only be judged from the game. For example, all of the cards of the heroes is the names Dark Mario, Dark Luigi, Dark Peach and Dark Bowser, and their descriptions have no referal to Shadoo. In fact, what I wrote above is entirely based on what can be garnered from the game, at least the conlusion is anyway. Shadoo never mentions being the dark forms, but does talk about the dark forms in a way that makes them seem as separate entities from Shadoo itself. So really, you have made a contradiction in that thinking Shadoo to be the Dark forms of the heroes are more speculative than assuming them to be separate entities, especially when taking in to account every bit of information regarding them. In fact I would say that, if I had not read this article before actually attempting and completing the pit (twice) I would never have thought of Shadoo being the Dark heroes forms without thinking speculative thoughts, which this artice was once almost completely filled, so far to rename all of the cards with 'Dark [name] (Shadoo)' in the names rather then leave their names as being 'Dark [Name]' which their cards call them.

However if you weren't talking about my backed up theory, I would suggest replying to the topic rather then make a new one that ironicly leaves its purpose up for speculation. Otherwise it could lead to this very reply in the future, which can get confusing. DarkNintendo 23:18, 2 January 2009 (EST)

We know. It's just good to discuss theories and let people say what they think. Aluigi, The Luigi Legend! Whut Stuff? 14:54, 5 December 2008 (EST)


 * Well, that's all fine and good, but that is what the forums are for. Let's keep the talk pages for improving articles on the Wiki.

Spanish Name
Well, I have something to say. I have a Spanish guide of Super Paper Mario, and it says that Shadoo's name is "Umbrius", not "Soombra". 13:53, 14 January 2009 (EST)

shadoo wrote the freaking dark prognosticus!!!! ololol
read this: Perhaps Shadoo wrote it 1500 years earlier during the time of the Ancients. The Ancients then found out about what Shadoo had written, so they put a curse on him so that he could not have a physical form to fulfill his own prophecy. The curse also locked him away in the Flopside Pit of 100 Trials so that he could not reach anyone. The Ancients then created Wracktail and put him in the Flipside Pit of 100 Trials, knowing that only those who could complete Flipside's Pit could enter Flopside's Pit. By then however, the Dark Prognosticus was already handed down through Tribe of Darkness, which is the tribe Count Bleck came from, and most likely Shadoo as well. The Ancients then knew that they had to create the Light Prognosticus to stop the Dark Prognosticus. They then hid the Pixls throughout the dimensions so that the heroes could one day find them. They handed down the Light Prognosticus until it came into the possession of Merlon and Nolrem. The Ancients then handed down a key that led to Piccolo (which Merlee, another descendent of the Ancients, had in her possession), and they placed Dashell in Wracktail's possession so that if the heroes ever had decided to reach Shadoo, they would have the help of another Pixl. Shadoo also knew that only the heroes would be the ones to reach him, so he tried to set a trap on them so that he could steal their physical forms to ensure that the dark prophecy is fulfilled.

i dunno if its true

Waste of space
How do we put Dark Peach's Catch Card next to Dark Bowser's one? Dark Peach's card seems to be underneath the others, and it's a waste of space. So does anyone know?

Separate Pages per Dark guy
I think we should make separate articles for each form of Shadoo, according to this PipeProject.


 * Personally, I don't think they should be separated. Dark Bowser, Luigi, Mario, and Peach are different forms of the same Shadoo, and those will just be four more stubs to deal with. Maybe if Shadoo makes an appearance in another game someday.