Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

>_> OK. I saw an awsome texture hack for brawl. Two are Koopa colored sqirtle and a Yoob colored Yoshi (I saw them on a Youtube vid. uh, "brawl texture hacks 21 or 20" I think. I'll ask a question to get people interseted. Has anybody ever been launched by Luigi in brawl. -IandaM

Wat
Why the heck is this article so huge?! It lags like a WIKIA page! Are all of those images necessary? HavocReaper48 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

This article needs to be huge because it is a Featured Article, and this article follows everything the Featured Articles needs, huge articles need to stay that way, etc.


 * No, it's huge because there's a lot of info that needs to be covered. Being large isn't actually an FA requirement: as long as the article's not tiny, it's the quality that matters, not the quantity. - 16:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Split
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I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections into separate, respectful sub-articles, just like the staff and soundtracks. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit.

Proposer: Deadline: April 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Per Zero! A great proposal and a nice one too so, split and per him!
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per Zero.
 * 5) Per Zero
 * 6) It's large and the article can make peoples browsers refresh.
 * 7) It's how every page made.
 * 8) Per the seven-hundred seventy seven number zeros.

Oppose

 * 1) - They are both a part of the cast.

Comment

 * That will be awesome if we split this article, let's do it!Reddragon19k 10:31, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
 * There is already a main article with everything. Let's just delete that section.
 * Are you crazy. That is part of the information of SSBB, not only the game play.

The deadline was wrong: this was proposed on April 3rd GMT, so it ends on the 17th at 23:59 GMT. - 23:02, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
 * This scheduling is too confusing.
 * Really? All you need to do is find the time in GMT (which for you I heard you mention is +8 hours for you) then check the date. Go forward two weeks from that date and end at 23:59 or 24:00 GMT. Rule 2 on the proposal page can be a little confusing, I had to read it a few times before I got what it was saying.  10:34, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I just have my date and time preferences set to the server default and look at RecentChanges to keep track of what time it is in GMT. For the deadline, I just look at a calendar and go straight down the day column two weeks; adding 14 days to the date also works if you're not crossing into another month (in this case, 3 + 14 = 17). The only potentially confusing part of Rule 2 (imho) is the stuff about rounding the voting start time, which doesn't apply to TPPs. I added specific dates to the Rule 2 example to try and make it a bit better, and I added a deadline example to TPP Rule 3 too. - 11:13, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
 * That works too, my point with Rule 2 is that people seem to have a hard time applying the differences between their time and GMT. Most of the incorrect end times seem to be because people forget to convert to GMT... I think I saw a place on the wiki that listed the differences between GMT and other time zones, maybe a link to that page would help. 13:09, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I think that would be a good idea, though I have one question: Why does the wiki use GMT in the first place? 03:23, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I think it's because of the time facility in Greenwich, England. They count the Earth's rotation and it's supposed to be extremely accurate. I'm not really the person to ask this, as I never cared until I came to the wiki and had to care. 09:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
 * No, it's because we're an International wiki, and GMT is the standard one used all over the world (hence it's the server default); we used to use EST/EDT, but that was considered too America-centric (and daylight savings time muddled the issue pretty badly). Here's the proposal that had is start using GMT. We use one time zone to regulate when voting ends so proposals don't randomly disappear all the time and confuse people; that's how it's always been done. As for people having trouble converting to GMT, it's not complicated at all: just memorize how many hours are added or removed for your time zone. For me, EST is GMT-5; the only confusing bit is when we switch to EDT, which is GMT-4, but that's why I've got my preferences set to GMT - to double-check times if I'm ever a bit unsure of myself. Daylight savings time issues aside, asking people to memorize one addition or subtraction equation is not unreasonable, and folks can just Google search "GMT" to find out their time zone's offset (the first website is a conversion page, the first image result is a map, etc.), so we shouldn't even need a page of conversions here. We could always link to one of the many Wikipedia articles dealing with time zones, tho; this one has a nice chart, for example, and this has a map, although you need to view it at full resolution in order to read it. - 10:12, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

@Kaptain K. Rool: Yeah, I know they are part of the cast. What is the point you're trying to make.
 * That they are both a part of he cast and we don't need two separate articles about the cast.
 * He's referring to Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Staff and your proposed new article I think.

I was trying to make a point but his idea is better.

Is it possible for me to make changes to the proposal and to strike out everybody's vote until they revert their's for fairness?
 * I'm not sure, the three day period where you are allowed to edit your proposal is up. You could ask for the proposal to be cancelled and then relist it according to how you want to change it, or you could ask a sysop what you should do...
 * Alright, may a staff delete this.
 * Done. - 18:10, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Merge
Split from Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Merge into staff sub-articles 7-0

I say we split the music staff and voice cast sections and merge them into the staff sub-articles. One reason, this article is ENORMOUS and we need to down size it a bit, and also it seems like the proposal to merge the Subspace Emissary back into the article looks like it is going to succeed and it will make the article enormous-er.

Proposer: Deadline: May 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Zero is right ! Let's per him and merge!
 * 3) Per propser.
 * 4) Per proposer.
 * 5) Per 0777.
 * 6) - It would make the most sense to have the staff all in one place.
 * 7) Per Walkazo.

Comment
Wouldn't it be better to put the music staff with the rest of the staff? The article's current segregation and placement of those folks seems rather silly to begin with... - 14:26, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * @Zero: You'd better change the proposal now, unless you want the proposal removed again and to re-list it... By April 32, did you mean May 2? I must've missed the universal calendar changes... 14:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I actually changed the deadline to May 1. Using 24:00 should be perfectly fine, but if folks are going to keep changing it to 0:00 the next day (which is NOT allowed, as it messes up the nice +14 days motif), it's best to simply use 23:59. - 15:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

I say we merge all of the subspace emissary levels into one article kirby9612

I'm upset with the way the merge was handled.
I've been gone from this wiki for quite a while, and I was surprised at what I found on the SSBB staff list page when I got back. I am disappointed by how the merge happened, specifically with how Walkazo handled it. This is not a "merge". This is basically just overwriting all of the work I did in compiling a list of the game's arrangers. You practically copied from the official Dojo website, which leaves out a lot of the arrangement credits. The only things you added to my original list (which is still in the page history) was the names of performers. But you also added in arrangers who were already covered in the "Music and Sound" section of the credits as they actually appear in the game on your TV screen.

For example: Kentaro Ishizaka, who was credited as one of the "Music and Sound" individuals in the credits, also arranged twelve songs, if one searches through the sound test. In the big honkin' table that was dropped on this page, Ishizaka is only listed as the "arrangement supervisor" (a term I disfavor to "arranger" or "arranged by") of two songs: "Waluigi Pinball" and "Famicon Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally - Title". That leaves out all his work on songs like "Corneria" and "You Call This a Utopia?!"! Then again, Ishizaka's arrangement credits were already listed by me in the "Music and Sound" section.

The original intent of the "Music Arrangement" section was to list things exactly as they were in the original, on-your-TV credits. Isn't that the point of any "/Staff" article? List the credits as they appear on screen in the same order? That's what I was trying to do with this page when I created it six months ago (with help from someone's YouTube copy of the credits). I just added in more information by my own research that made the page more useful.

In the end, I think a "merge" could be completed much better if we were to leave the "Music and Sound" section alone, and list the names in the "Music Arrangement" section in the same order that they appear in the game. List only those names, plus the performers (like James Cowan and Emily McIntosh, for example), and leave the "Music and Sound" names out of the "Music Arrangement" names. That's just my two fifty cents.

Oh! Just thought of something. The people who performed vocally on the songs should be listed under the voices, not the music arrangement credits, following the example set here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors -Dogman15 20:19, 1 July 2011 (EDT)