User talk:Walkazo/Archive 10

Status: Busy as always. But not so busy that I can't field any questions you might have for me, so ask away: I'm here to help.

Wait
Why can't a range block be done on the IP(s) Plumber is using to sock? 00:53, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * The ranges that can be blocked are 58.110.0.0/16 and don't forget 58.163.0.0/16 -- 01:01, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * And also don't forget 58.110.240.0/22 -- 01:04, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * The biggest problem is that this guy is using DYNAMIC IPs, and thus, it's VERY difficult for us to stop this guy completely. The best we can do is every time he tries to create new accounts to bypass every single ban we place on him, we just block those as well. And IP bans are done in extremely rare circumstances -- even then, according to the rules, we have to place a temporary time limited on them too so that legitimate users can still sign up under that said IP that we blocked in hopes of getting a certain banned user to cease their disruptive ways on this wiki. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:11, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Range blocks are for dynamic IP addresses. It can be done by inputting similar IP's in the same range into a range block calculator, then the range will be determined. -- 07:47, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * He's not harming the wiki and there aren't an overwhelming amount of socks being made or whatever, so there's no need to go blocking swathes of IPs, which could potentially affect innocent users as well. - Walkazo 12:41, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Reviewing the block log, most of the IP addresses blocked for "Vandal's IP" are in the range of 58.110.0.0/16. In my opinion, since this disruption has been going on for about four months already, it's best if this range block is temporarily enforced. -- 06:12, 16 November 2011 (EST)
 * We must be looking at different logs, because I see a range of IPs that have been blocked, and the CheckUser logs also show that socks are being created all across the board. These accounts are not damaging and blocking them as they occur is not hard; a range block is not necessary. - Walkazo 21:02, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Just in case you aren't already aware
We need to keep an eye on and. They both have the same IP address.

Imageframe(?) tag?
Hey Walkazo, I've tried asking 2257 about something (it's pretty important because I need it for NWiki), but he didn't seem to be responding - so here is the original message: Can you please answer? -- 22:46, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * "Hello 2257, I recall seeing some kind of imageframe tag being used in one of the articles in MarioWiki and I can't seem to figure out where it is, or what the name is. I need to know what is the name of the tag, and how it functions. As far as my knowledge goes, it allows you to display two images in a frame without any overlapping. Do you know what it is? Can you please assist me?"


 * I'm pretty sure you're looking for and/or . A handy back-to-back comparison is here. Other examples of {Multiple image} in use can be found here (different sized images), here (same sized images), and here (one summary for both images). Examples of {Multiframe} are here (comparing background-less images, whereas the first template is good for images with backgrounds) and here (making more room for a caption and even adding a background colour). Hopefully that's what you're looking for. - Walkazo 23:34, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Oh yes! Thank you thank you thank you; I'm definitely going to add these two things into the to-do list. Freaking epic! -- 01:35, 14 November 2011 (EST)

My edit on the Ludwig page
I already had a feeling that someone would delete my edit despite the reference I added. So thanks for restoring it. Still. Some questions for you. Why was "precocious" changed to "presumptuous"? Both have quite a different meaning. Was the translation wrong? Aside from that. Is it normal that Bop1996 can just ignore the reference I added and delete all my edits on all five Koopaling pages I edited? He has now deleted my edit on Roy's page too. --2wiki 14:29, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 * I just went with the word that was already on the page. I checked it out, and it turns out neither word seems to be correct, at least according to my dictionaries. The passage can be romanized as Otona bite namaikina, nakama no uchi de ichiban no zunō ha? (I think - I did this really quick so there might be slight discrepancies); all I could find for otona bite is "grow up", and namaikina is "conceited"; "precocious", "presumptuous" nor "arrogant" appear, but maybe the guy who translated it was taking liberties to make it scan better. I think the second part translates to "number one brains/group head (ichiban no zunō ha) within the group (nakama no uchi de)". But I'm far from being fluent in Japanese, so take this with a grain of salt. As for the normality of the situation... sometimes if things are added wrong, the knee-jerk reaction of users is to take it off to preserve the quality of the page, rather than go to the effort of fixing it; maybe that's what happened here, but I can't speak on Bop1996's behalf. On Roy's page, the fact that it's his defining feature isn't exactly key info (unlike the insights into the characters of Wendy, Iggy, Lemmy and Ludwig); having it there wouldn't be bad or anything, but I was short on time so I didn't re-add it. - Walkazo 23:42, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 * I asked one of my Japanese TAs and she said the most direct translation of 「大人びて」 otona bite is "adultish" - like "childish", but the opposite way around. So, "precocious" is actually a good approximation for the description. I checked my other dictionary for 「ナマイキな」 namaikina (also written 「生意気な」) and again it offered "conceited", as well as "impertinent" and "smart-alecky", but not "arrogant" (and Google offered up "cheeky", but it's not the most trustworthy dictionary; another online dictionary also had "insolent" and "impudent" given as possible interpretations). - Walkazo 21:02, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks for putting so much effort in translating it ,Walkazo. It really makes you wonder why NOA didn't translate the seperate Koopaling bios. As for the edits. I understand. It's just that I joined this wiki recently and getting all your work deleted like that wasn't a nice welcome. But enough complaining. Thanks again. --2wiki 14:38, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Goomba's Shoe
Is the fact that a recent Nintendo Power called it Kuribo's Shoe enough to change the name of the article
 * According to Naming, the latest name has precedence, but I don't think Nintendo Power is a very strong source. However, if Super Mario All-Stars - 25th Anniversary Edition calls it "Kuribo's Shoe" like the original Super Mario All-Stars, that'd be a different story entirely. - Walkazo 23:28, 20 November 2011 (EST)
 * I asked a friend about it once and i think he said it does but i'll ask again
 * Not to intrude, but there's no mention of it in the SMB3 section of the instruction booklet, and it's not named in-game as far as I know.
 * Yeah, I checked the instruction booklet earlier myself, actually. But there might be an in-game Peach letter, since there were letters in other versions of SMB3: here, and here (I got the links from this edit summary). - Walkazo 00:06, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Move
Please move Www.YouTube.com/user/UlimateMarioFan to User:UltimateMarioFan/Www.YouTube.com/user/UltimateMarioFan.
 * Actually, subpages like that aren't allowed, so I'm just going to delete it... - Walkazo 18:24, 24 November 2011 (EST)

Category:Protection Change Requested
Hello, the Protection Change Requested category is backlogged, please take care of it a.s.a.p. Thanks! -- 22:36, 29 November 2011 (EST)

Any progress on the...
...proposal archive idea with ? Any news for that? It's been almost a month since I asked that. -- 02:22, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I passed on your message back in November, and he said he was too busy to really do it in the foreseeable future. He left it open for any other admins to take it over, but there were no takers, I'm afraid... - Walkazo 17:53, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Warning on my talk page by this user
I know I wasn't supposed to change the date on the Mario Kart 7 page, but User:Jazama gave me a warning even though (s)he's not an admin. I followed the warning (I didn't do anything else bad). Do regular users have the right to post warnings or only admins do this? -- 16:58, 6 December 2011 (CDT)
 * Yes, regular users can hand out warnings. There's a couple specific things that only admins can warn people about, such as abusing warning privileges, but editing warnings like yours aren't staff-only. You can see the Warning Policy for more information. - Walkazo 20:15, 6 December 2011 (EST)
 * I'm trying to do my best to make the wiki a better place and not to turn it into a desolate wasteland. - 19:19 6 December 2011 (CDT)

Deletion TPPs
What exactly is the policy on deletion TPPs that are on articles where the subjects clearly violate policy (coverage or otherwise) when created? The TPP on Talk:Lakitu (character) seems to have dissent on both sides and doesn't have an obvious policy to back up either side, but the TPP on Talk:Wuhu Island is on a subject that is clearly outside the coverage policy and inconsistent with other course-related articles aside. Is there a good course of action to follow each time there is a deletion TPP where the answer is obvious due to policy?
 * As far as I know, there's no official policy, but I think the rule-of-thumb is that TPPs are left to run their course even if the decision's obvious, except in extreme cases like one-liners, fanon, offensive material or some other utterly deleterious blight on the face of the wiki that should be removed ASAP. However, proposers of non-dire no-brainer decisions can always be encouraged to simply close the TPP and go through with the change/deletion, but if that window of opportunity closes, or if opposition does arise, the TPP has to stay up. - Walkazo 21:04, 6 December 2011 (EST)
 * That makes sense. Thank you for your prompt response.

Navigation templates...
Yo, Walkazo. I'm Coincollector. Recently I've seen in the recent changes' page that you added color-coding test for navigation templates into your own sandbox. I was looking at them and mostly I liked (it seems you're going to give your opinion in this proposal.) May ask, do you want me to give you some opinion to your templates? Maybe with my skills of color's theory can help for this issue and put an end to this situation too.


 * Yes, find the correct color for the background and match for the header can be troublesome at times. For that kind of problems I use the charts of this article to compare most of the colors, find a nice combination and the best color for the text that should contrast with the composition. Sure, this is my way, and you have your own, no problem with that. Look, I'll return to the forums to talk about that in the templates' thread and give my suggestions to the draft you've made. Additionally I was rewriting the template help article because it needed a radical update - although it's still unfinished. You can see for yourself and find what else needs to be completed... Well, see ya. Yo! Happy Holydays, Walkazo!

Attempting a username change
Hey Walkazo, do you know where's the name change wiki page? Should I ask you here instead (seeing that you're a crat)? Anyway, I'm about to change my username into something else...no, I'm still keeping the letters "RAP", but I was thinking if there's a rule against advertising when you change a name. I understand that you can only change it twice a year yes? Please respond. -- 15:24, 17 December 2011 (EST)
 * It's Changing username - just post you request there (it's more official and gives us a nice complete record of all name changes). And yes, only two name changes per year (i.e. if you change your name on June 1, and again on Sept. 1, your next name change can't be until the following June 2). - Walkazo 01:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)

Returning to the Wiki
I'm not sure if you recall my username, but I used to be very active here back in 2008-2010. Anyways, I was thinking of becoming kinda active again and returning to the community. However, I can't seem to edit my own talk page. I can edit others, but when I try to edit my own, the URL changes, but I never get the actual edit section (that would normally appear at the bottom of the page and what not). Any suggestions to help me out so I can archive it and start again fresh? 16:27, 17 December 2011 (EST)
 * I remember your name; nice to have you back! That's strange. I can edit it fine, but it's not protected or anything so I don't see why you shouldn't... The direct link to the editing box is - maybe that'll work for you? - Walkazo 01:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)
 * Still not working...even in a different browser. I'll look into it harder and get back to you. Thanks for all your help anyways. 17:24, 18 December 2011 (EST)

Minigame proposal
Since that proposal passed does that mean ever mini-game category should be replaced by a minigame category
 * Yes, and I've been gradually replacing them, but school's been killer this year so it's taking a while (when I go to replace the categories, I fix up the minigame articles at the same time, which makes it much more labour-intensive - but getting a chance to edit pages I usually don't visit is why I love maintenance projects like category updating). Don't worry: I WILL finish them all. - Walkazo 01:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)

warning template proposal
Hi, in regards to your message on my talk page, I want it "cancelled". Thanks -- 23:35, 21 December 2011 (EST)

!
It was discussed. I made a proposal. 16:08, 24 December 2011 (EST)

But most people agreed. Those navigation templates are a total mess: they aren't in any order. I wonder why Super Mario Bros. is after Mario Party and why Super Mario Kart template is pink while the others are red or gray. 16:28, 24 December 2011 (EST)

OK, I understood (yet thinking it's unfair). 16:39, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Please
can you please let me be an admin and burecrat on this wiki because i want to block trolls and grant users admin rights --AwesomeSponge 15:09, 3 January 2012 (EST)
 * Sorry, you have to earn promotions through months or even years of hard work. For more information, see here. Also, just so you know, asking for promotions is generally frowned upon around this wiki. If you want to be an admin, actually editing the encyclopedia (rather than just doing user stuff) would be a start in the right direction. - Walkazo 01:17, 4 January 2012 (EST)

My own template
Can I create my own template? Some of my stories on my userpage are planned on being worked on soon.


 * As in a userspace template? No. Non-wiki uses of userspace is restricted to the main userpage. - Walkazo 17:33, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Are users ONLY here for socializing and/or other purposes not related to improving the wiki allowed?
Because User:AwesomeSponge (count) has been here for a while, only for socializing purposes. Out of his 30 edits, he made a grand total of 0 edits to the article space. He does not seem to be making any mainspace edits, nor will he make one in the near future, given his actions. On external wikis, he has been editing in the same manner: no mainspace edits, just socializing, socializing, and more socializing, and pleading to be an admin (you can see his Wikipedia RfA; this is unacceptable). MarioWiki is not Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, nor a blog, so is this behavior allowed? -- 23:41, 13 January 2012 (EST)
 * No, it's not. We even have a warning template specifically to tell users to stop focusing on user stuff and actually edit the wiki. If they don't listen, as wth any other rule infractions, they get more severe warnings and can eventually have their userpage protected, and/or they can find themselves temporarily blocked. - Walkazo 23:47, 13 January 2012 (EST)
 * Thanks for your prompt response. -- 23:51, 13 January 2012 (EST)

My Avatar
Can I use an avatar on my signature? I keep thinking that personal avatars are a violation of the rules. May you help me out here?
 * There's no rule against avatars as long as the image complies with the regular Image Policy, and you can put it in the sig as long as you follow the Signature Policy (i.e. no more then 2 images, 35px in height, or only 1 animated GIF - which you're actually in violation of with your current sig, so you have to change your signature either way). - Walkazo 21:06, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Sitenotice
>All images or gifs used in your si- Images or gifs? Maybe you mean "images, including GIFs"?
 * You can have two static images or you can have a gif - the sitenotice is specifically talking about both types of images, and with "gif" covering the animated stuff, that leaves "images" for the rest. "Image" can indeed talk about gifs as well as any other type of file, but in this context, it's not. At least, that's how I interpreted the original draft of the SiteNotice: I only did the second draft, which left the original author's opening alone. - Walkazo 19:10, 21 January 2012 (EST)

new stub
Hi Walkazo. I created a template in similarity to to notify users that their articles have been tagged with. Can you take a look at user:B.wilson/Testing facility/New stub-reason and give me your thoughts, please? Thanks, 07:27, 25 January 2012 (EST)
 * Thanks; I've changed it according to you. Is it any better now? -- 21:22, 25 January 2012 (EST)
 * Replied on your talk -- 21:22, 25 January 2012 (EST)
 * Done. -- 04:20, 26 January 2012 (EST)
 * Is it o.k. if I move it to template space now? -- 23:31, 26 January 2012 (EST)

An attempt to revamp major article types
Hey Walkazo, has there been any attempts on establishing article structures (a set of procedures that users must follow when it comes to creating/editing a certain type of article), if so, can you inform me the proposals whether or not it had been passed? The reason I asked this is that I've been digging through my old notes of MarioWiki, NIWA, and Nintendo Wiki, and while I was surfing MarioWiki - I greatly noticed that articles are getting longer, and parts of the article are starting to become redundant and unnecessary even. I came upon a proposed article structure on "Games" in my notes, and I have no idea what year I wrote that thing. With both aspects combined together, I decided to come to you first for clarification and explanation before going forward. I am considering on targeting all major articles (Games, Characters, Places, Items, Species, Allies, Enemies, and Special Moves - pretty much all of them in the "Browse" section). Please respond. -- 01:06, 4 February 2012 (EST)
 * There have been a number of admin board discussions, but I don't think we've had time to make official policies about it yet. It's mainly my fault - making standard layouts for the various types of pages has been on my to-do list for months and months, but I keep getting side-tracked by other projects. Basically, the way I see it, pages can be divided into a few different classes: Series, Games, Levels/Worlds, Minigames, and Content (Characters, Species, Items, Places, Moves, etc.), plus RL stuff and non-game media. Each class would get its own basic section order; different kinds of Content would have the same overall order, but at different complexities - i.e. some Characters would have Relationship sections while others don't, and Items certainly wouldn't have those either. For Characters, I think the idea was..... Intro -> Creation -> History (Background -> actual appearances) -> General Information (Personality -> Physical Description -> Powers and Abilities) -> Relationships -> Official Profiles and Statistics -> List of Appearances -> Quotes -> Gallery -> Names in Other Languages -> Trivia -> References -> External Links .....Games was a bit more up in the air, what with all the misc. stuff at the bottom, and I haven't really looked into any other types of pages at all. I recently went through all the Mario Party series minigames, however, so they're pretty homogenous (at least in the newer games, once I knew what I was going for). Anyway, I wish there was a policy page I could direct you too, but sadly, time has not been on my side for a while now... - Walkazo 01:56, 4 February 2012 (EST)


 * ...You gotta be freaking kidding me. This is going to turn into more than a long-term project, it's a ginormous project to tackle. I would love to assist with you and other wiki staff members just like old times (assuming that you are letting me know what's going on with the discussions in the MarioWiki staff forums); but with NIWA, Nintendo Wiki, ponies, and school in my mind cloud, It will be hell if I ever took one more major thing into my brain. Thanks anyway on your input, and please do not fall apart. I don't know why I said that, but I said it out of instinct. -- 02:14, 4 February 2012 (EST) *erases the first writings of the proposed article structure for "video game" in the new notes, with the original notes for that intact for now...*
 * Yeah, that's why I haven't gotten around to it - it's gonna be a lot of freaking work, and like you, I'm busy enough as is (although it's just with a few projects here and school). The admins aren't really talking about it - unless I'm mistaken, that little draft here is more than I've even said over there. We'll get around to it someday... and in the meantime, good luck with your projects. - Walkazo 23:30, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Hey Walkazo, I don't know if you answered this; but would changing my name to "RAP (brought you by NintendoWiki)" be an acceptable username, assuming that I'm proceeding to make that change? This is for obvious reasons. :P -- 23:20, 10 February 2012 (EST)
 * I really don't recommend changing your name to that - it's a bit lengthy, so it'll be a pain for you to type and I'm worried it'll look odd on histories and contribution scores and whatnot. We haven't set a hard and fast rule stating you need to stay under a minimum number of characters for a user name, but that's mainly because we're hoping common sense will do the work for us. I also don't think there's a rule against parentheses, but I've never seen them used, which makes me wonder if there might be issues about using them... And on a personal note, I really rather you not change your name - your name is "RAP", not "RAP + advertising". Save that sorta extra info for the signature, imho. - Walkazo 23:35, 10 February 2012 (EST)

Sockpuppet
Hello. In good faith, I do not believe this user is a sockpuppet of me. I'll be sure to check with the other users of my ISP. -- 00:38, 5 February 2012 (EST)

name change
Could you chech my name change and see if it's okay?

Hey

 * Why are you following me around and making remarks on everything I'm doing wrong? It's annoying and I would appreaciate it if you would stop. BTW, there's a new shop on my talk page. Check it out! (Well, it's on my user page but you buy the items on my talk page. Bring coins.)M&amp;L+No Moar Picklez=Wurld War III &#91;&#91;Image:SMG YellowLuma.jpg&#124;45px&#93;&#93; 22:06, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 * I'm not following you around, and accusing me of doing so is kinda rude. - Walkazo
 * Whenever I do something wrong, you immeadiately show up and tell me, and I'm not being rude, Walkazo! Here's some coins.Blue coin Wii.png ENJOY!!M&amp;L+No Moar Picklez=Wurld War III &#91;&#91;Image:SMG YellowLuma.jpg&#124;45px&#93;&#93; 22:23, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 * MW:MOS is on my Watchlist, I've always patrolled the TPPs checking for mistakes, and everything else (although all I can recall is the Scaratroopea warning) was just bad luck for you. Fixing mistakes and telling the people how to not make them again is part of my job. Also, Courtesy clearly states that giving someone a hard time for correcting one's mistakes is rude. - Walkazo 22:37, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 * ARGH! Stop making me read that stupid thing. That's like, the fourth time someone told me to read it. I admit it, i was rude. SORRY! THAT BETTER?!M&amp;L+No Moar Picklez=Wurld War III &#91;&#91;Image:SMG YellowLuma.jpg&#124;45px&#93;&#93; 22:38, 9 February 2012 (EST)

R.E. Block
Well, looks like I'll have to tell my brother the bad news.

Nintendo Enthusiast
Is that a reliabel source
 * I suppose it'd depend on the content. Major, controversial and dubious things should be fact-checked as much as possible, but if there's no reason to question the verity of a little factoid, as long as it's properly cited, it might be fine. - Walkazo 16:37, 12 February 2012 (EST)
 * Well i just read the article and while it did say that Boo, Blooper, and Hammer Bro. would be playable none of them appeared in the Trailer the article also had
 * If it's not obvious where they got their info, or if their source is also unofficial and/or questionable, I wouldn't use it. - Walkazo 16:44, 12 February 2012 (EST)

Listen
Look, I only did this to explain: I'm trying to put my family on the wiki. First my brother, now my MOTHER. I'm not sockpuppeting. YoshiDaisyfan9

Name change
Could you please check here? I need a new nickname. --Danimario9 ( Talk ) 05:57, 15 February 2012 (EST)

Okay, i have marked for deletion those two pages. By the way, thanks.

Loads of talk pages left unread...what to do...?
Hey Walkazo, I have upcoming plans for MarioWiki to scan literally every talk page that has to do with wiki problems, articles in general, or etc. I'll be sending you a document listing all the talk pages so you and the staff of MarioWiki can figure out what to do with my work. I know that tagging means they're automatically categorized under Category:Unresolved_talk_pages, or Category:Unresolved_Talk_Page_Proposals; but I plan on categorizing the talk problems under specific slots to make it easier for you guys to answer these unanswered questions more accurately. I will also plan on pulling out interesting conversations that are relevant to the present that needs dire attention.

I have some questions:
 * If there's a bunch of jibber-jabber (for example, Talk:Queen_Bean), is it advisable for me to remove it?
 * Are there any other things I should watch out when scanning talk pages (like if a talk page has no main article, delete it; or if there's cursing, and there's meaningful discussion, should I censor it per say...)?
 * May be unrelated to what I'm talking about, but how is staff activity, and wiki activity in general? I haven't heard much of it, but I already hear from you that it's going slow. Checking by the recent changes page, activity is slow as well. The reason I asked you this is that I'm figuring out if you guys are willing to take my results seriously in a-mass of the school period still in session.

This will go as soon as I'm done with my other worries; and that I've built up promotion potential for NintendoWiki. -- 00:29, 18 February 2012 (EST)


 * I tried to go through all the unresolved talk pages myself a while back, answering simple questions and removing the template for things that aren't relevant anymore... I didn't last long, but I'm easily diverted. Anyway, I personally would like to see casual conversations like that removed on site when they're made, but the whole "no removing others; comments" rules generally gives folks pause, and removing them retroactively will definitely raise eyebrows, so I recommend leaving them alone. Sometimes talk pages are supposed to remain even if their parent page has been deleted: namely, if there is a TPP on the talk page, it must stay, and if there's discussion about why a page was deleted and why it shouldn't be recreated, even without an official proposal protecting it, I'd wager no one would object to that talk page remaining intact. As for activity levels... yeah, it's slow, and so, I can't say how much use your hard work would actually see - although I personally would love to clean up unresolved talk pages (it's something that could even be done at a slow pace: answer a couple questions here and there after school, rather than replacing categories or templates which is best done in big bursts). - Walkazo 14:39, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Hey Walkazo, I heard there was a rule against adding transparency to images via a proposal, but I can seem to find it in the archives. Speaking of browsing in the archives, I saw your proposal regarding categorization, and saw a couple of images of the categorizion tree. How did you created that? Was it from a certain program? I would love to use it for NintendoWiki plans; I crafted trees and webs but I take too much time and make it artsy. :P Please answer. -- 19:15, 19 February 2012 (EST) Time to lay down and rest for a bit.


 * Here's the Proposal. I just made the trees using GIMP - I started with the columns of names and drew the lines afterwards. I tried not to be too fussy about making everything always line up perfectly, since I also tend to spend too much time on that, but even with my forced laziness, the trees still took me hours. - Walkazo 19:23, 19 February 2012 (EST)