MarioWiki:Proposals

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Merge M&L (Dream Team and Paper Jam) and PM (Sticker Star) Wigglers with Wiggler
This proposal come from the ideas from this previous proposal and discussion from here and here. This proposal cover Wiggler (Paper Mario: Sticker Star), Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team) and Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam).

I think we should merge all these pages with Wiggler (the species article). The reasons that lead me to believe it is better to do this is because all these Wiggler don’t have a different characteristics from the species in general (Wigglers are usually shown to be calm and gentle, but when threatened or attacked, they become angry and chase after their foes, which mostly described the personality of the three Wiggler above).

If we merge all these Wiggler, should we merge the Wiggler from Super Mario Sunshine? No, this Wiggler has a different appearance and also has a different japanese name which means that it is described as a different Wiggler.

When generic enemies appears as boss in Mario Party 9 and 10, they don’t get articles, even if in 10 most of this enemies are known as a mega form (Mega Sledge Bro., Mega Cheep Chomp, Mega Blooper, Mega Mechakoopa and Mega Monty Mole).

The Super Mario Wiki probably don’t have a good indicator of what make a character, a character worthy for a article especially when it comes to generic enemy that appears as boss/playable character otherwise, we would not have this problem and until there is not a rule or something clear for that matter (how generic enemy get the character treatment), we should merge this. Because I think it gives open doors to generic enemies that appear as bosses/playable character getting pages while some others don’t get a pages and it can become difficult to the coverage. Remaining consistent while the administration is considering creating a rule or something that would help in how a generic enemy can be treated as a character is probably the best solution to this problem. I think that discussion for this kind of matter is also required.

Proposer: Deadline: July 8, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) per proposal
 * 2) per all (in the end there is no reason to keep them split)
 * 3) Better proposal but not the best. See my comments below.
 * 4) I still support the idea of merging those three Wigglers so per proposal.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Merge it! Per all!
 * 7) Per all.
 * 1) Per all.

Comments
I still find Wiggler (Super Mario Sunshine) be merge worthy because it behaves like a Wiggler or Big Wiggler would. It gets mad and runs when disturbed and has a flower on its head. The only difference is its death sequence and color. That is how we are going to distinguish it? It should be merged with Wiggler (because of name) or Big Wiggler (because of size). -- 23:07, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm normally one to agree to merging something under this situation (as I've made clear here), but it's clear that because that Wiggler has a notable name in Japanese that it qualifies as being described as a different wiggler all together, as LudwigVon said. It's the same deal with other enemies with this similarity: the aforementioned Piranha Plants from TTYD are split because multiple things imply that they are different all together, despite similar looks and acts. The multiple proposals on the Parabuzzy/Para-Beetle relations clearly show they are different enemies, regardless of same Japanese/different English names. Sunshine's Wiggler is the same case: different Japaneses name implies that it's a boss amongst Wigglers, it probably just didn't make it through English translating. 23:30, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

Split Donkey Kong Jungle Beat levels from their kingdoms
I brought this up on the game's talk page but no one responded at all.

Currently, we inexplicably don't have any articles for the levels in this game. Instead, the level details are given in the articles for the kingdoms (essentially worlds). This contradicts the whole wiki, where even small worlds like the ones in Wario World have their levels split off.

Ergo, we should split the levels into their own articles. Seriously, is there any reason not to split them off?

Proposer: Deadline: July 14, 2016 at 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Per proposal. The only things we gain from having these merged are blatant inconsistency and an added layer of tedium for anyone trying to find articles on the levels in this game.
 * 2) - This is indeed the most consistent course of action. I have one question, though; where will the information for the boss battles be left? In the articles for the kingdoms? I haven't played the game so I don't know what would make the most sense.
 * 3) Well, we have to split levels in articles anyway. It's pretty much the standard for this wiki.
 * 4) I'll take it! If the Start Dash was split from the Rocket Start, why not this? Per all on this case because the levels must have their own pages!
 * 5) Why do we need a proposal for this? I get the feeling that the work to create these level pages was abandoned or never gotten around too. The Worlds of Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3 have this issue as well. See World 2 (Super Mario Bros.) and World 1 (Super Mario Bros. 3) for examples to see what I mean.

Comments
Question: is there anything that's actually preventing the levels from being split, like a proposal or a large discussion? 23:40, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Now that you mention it, if there's nothing like that they could just be split. I understand the proposer's intent, which is likely to get some input as he got none in the talk page, but if there is nothing preventing them from being split it can just be done. -- 23:42, 7 July 2016 (EDT)

Create a page for Minecraft: Wii U Edition as a guest appearance
Following Coverage, a proposal must be formed before an article can be created for a guest appearance.

Minecraft has been recently ported to the Wii U, and it comes with some free DLC. Part of that DLC includes a Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, which includes a bunch of Mario-themed skins for the player, nearly every item, block, and entities being retextured to fit the Mario theme, music straight from Super Mario 64, an entirely new world that features a bunch of Mario designs and settings, including recreations of Princess Peach's Castle and Delfino Plaza. Everything is changed to look like it's a blockier Mario game: squids are Bloopers, villagers are Piantas, crafting tables are ? Blocks, note blocks are Note Blocks, wolves are Poochy, and if I listed every change, this proposal would be insanely long. Simply put, Minecraft not only receives a visual overhaul, but an entirely new world that isn't randomly generated. The only caveat is that the core gameplay of Minecraft still remains the same, but when you're playing as Mario, entering Warp Pipes, breaking blocks, and fighting Dry Bones and Hammer Bros. in a world that Nintendo had a hand in creating, I don't think it can be argued that it doesn't have an impact on the game.

Proposer: Deadline: July 6, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per TT.
 * 3) - Mario content is substantial enough.
 * 4) Per proposal
 * 5) - Per proposal.
 * 6) Per proposal.
 * 7) Per proposal.
 * 8) Par *hic* ale.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) Sounds like a great proposal and I agree! Let's do it!
 * 12) per all.
 * 13) per all, when I first saw this new edition I thought it already had an article, apparently not.
 * 14) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) See comments below for more info. This fits more under List of Mario references in video games as a section rather than its own standalone article.

Comments
Does anyone happen to have a full list of the changes, or at the very least a video that covers most of the changes? I don't own a copy of the game myself, so all I can really do is hunt through videos and make sure I haven't missed anything. 22:44, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * This may help. And this. -- 23:12, 29 June 2016 (EDT)

@Wildgoosespeeder: Could you elaborate on why you think it should be considered a cameo and not a guest appearance? 23:03, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I've always thought that the in order to quality for a standalone page on MarioWiki, it has to be its own mechanics and have at least one character be the primary focus of the game that have residence in the Mushroom Kingdom, such as Super Mario (series), Mario Kart (series), or Mario Party (series) (there's more but these are handpicked examples). Since the DLC requires Minecraft for Wii U as a base and the base game very unrelated to the Mario (series), it shouldn't qualify. I also share this with any game covered on MarioWiki that I am unaware of that has this concern, such as Tetris DS. The ultimate gripe I have is coverage of Donkey Kong (series) and Super Smash Bros. (series) since we have Donkey Kong Wiki and SmashWiki, but that is an entirely different can of worms for another time. If Minecraft shouldn't be in List of Mario references in video games, I would be in favor of creating List of crossovers featuring the Mario series, or something like that. -- 17:07, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
 * What you're suggesting, especially in regards to the Donkey Kong and Smash series, is simply not a view that I agree with. To clarify, we give a single article to games marked as guest appearances (NBA Street V3, SSX on Tour, Captain Rainbow, Densetsu no Stafy 3, Punch-Out!!, Rhythm Tengoku: The Best+, and Skylanders: SuperChargers) and we give articles to nearly every element of games marked as crossovers (Super Smash Bros. series, Mario & Sonic series, Itadaki Street DS, Fortune Street, Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!, Game & Watch Gallery, Mario Hoops 3-on-3, and Mario Sports Mix). However, we take a different approach to covering these articles in order to distinguish them from their interwiki counterparts. For example, Ike's article only uses the intro paragraph to describe the character's backstory and then reserves the rest of the article exclusively for the character's role in the games that we cover; the Smash Wiki, on the other hand, not only describes Ike's backstory in detail, but also reserves whole articles for the technical details on how Ike fights in the Smash games, something that the Mario Wiki doesn't do. The article that you put forth wouldn't work with Minecraft mostly because it's not a crossover but rather a guest appearance (unless you want to expand the definition of "crossover"), but also because of the reasons I put forth in the proposal; from my point of view, it should be given its own article. 20:21, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Crossover - That should be the definition to use for non-NPC character (Mario & Sonic (series), the series is owned by SEGA which Nintendo allowed two of their IP series' characters to compete with Sonic characters). The references should be limited to the characters in "NPC mode" (such as how Mario characters are being used as mentioned in List of Mario references in video games). -- 23:57, 1 July 2016 (EDT)