Talk:Expresso

Expresso II's Scrapbook picture in Donkey Kong Country 2 states his name as Expresso. Should this be merged to Expresso then? 12:26, 25 June 2011 (EDT)


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Merge to Expresso
Like what I said above, Expresso II's scrapbook picture states his name as Expresso, not Expresso II. Expresso II was obviously made up, I think it should be merged. If the scrapbook states it, that means the game states it, and that also means their names are identical. Obviously Expresso II was mistaken for Expresso.

Proposer: Deadline: July 9, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Merge to Expresso

 * 1) Like what I said, if the game states it, it has to be true.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) The name is official if it is listed ingame. The only reason we named it Expresso II is because there was no other source other than the scrapbook claiming that these two birds are the same. Since the scrapbook from the game indeed lists this bird's name as "Expresso", then that is what its name should be. Therefore, this deserves a merge.
 * 4) I don't think Nintendo will make the naming as complex as M4E said, per all.

Keep Expresso II with Expresso

 * 1) People who are named after others in their family aren't addressed by the number. It's more reasonable to assume that Cranky found a replacement for Expresso and named it Expresso in memory of the bird (especially if one considers the time between the SNES version of the game and the remake. This could be a means of demonstrating in-game that time has passed, as was done with Super Mario 64 DS), adding the II so as not to confuse the Kongs, than it is to assume that it is the same bird. The number would only be important if they were placed side-by-side, as it would serve as a means to distinguish them.
 * 2) Per Mario4Ever.
 * 3) you have no evidence to suggest that they are the same thing considering how Expresso II is smaller than Expresso
 * 4) Per Mario4ever.
 * 5) Per Mario4Ever.

Comments
@Mario4Ever, you are speculating, you don't have an official source. I just looked at the scrapbook picture of Expresso. Where's your source? 12:41, 25 June 2011 (EDT) You're still speculating. You're saying "assume" many times. 12:45, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Stating that the name Expresso II was made up just because the II was dropped from the Scrapbook is an assumption in itself. How do you know it wasn't an oversight?
 * The name Expresso II is conjectural itself because no official source lists this name.

@Goomba's Shoe15: Page 13 of the Scrapbook. Look at the so-called Expresso II's name: Expresso. 13:23, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * The scrapbook does say its name is Expresso. I remember a year ago I was planning on making a proposal about this myself but I thought it out and changed by mind. I can't remember my reasoning on why, though.

I would also like to note that when "Expresso II" races, the minigame is called Expresso Racing. 14:02, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
 * So? It's a catchier name than "Expresso II Racing." There is nothing to support the claim that the name of the mini-game is the intended name of the bird.
 * And there nothing to support that it is called "Expresso II Racing" either.

Look at Expresso's trophy from Brawl, it says he appears in Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest. They are the same and Mario4Ever, you are speculating  a lot. 07:02, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

The Expresso in this game and the one in the first DKC are in fact different characters. After playing the game for a couple of minutes, I found out that, according to Cranky, Expresso II is a bird that he got with his wealth from DKC. Before you begin to race, Cranky names the bird "Expresso". They are two different ostriches with the same name.