Talk:List of chronological references

The Chronology is rather confusing. By combining other games that are related to the main games, I think this will do.


 * Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
 * Yoshi's Story
 * Yoshi Island DS
 * Yoshi Touch and Go
 * Mario & Luigi Partners In Time (Past)
 * Donkey Kong
 * Donkey Kong Jr.
 * Donkey Kong 2
 * Mario Bros.
 * Donkey Kong 3
 * Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (Super Mario Bros. & Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels)
 * Super Mario Bros. 3
 * Super Mario World
 * Super Mario Bros. 2
 * Super Mario Land
 * Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
 * Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
 * Yoshi
 * Yoshi's Cookie
 * The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
 * Yoshi's Safari
 * Wario's Woods
 * Super Mario 64
 * BS Super Mario US
 * Luigi's Mansion
 * Super Mario Sunshine
 * Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
 * Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (present)
 * New Super Mario Bros.
 * Super Mario Galaxy
 * Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
 * New Super Mario Bros. Wii
 * Super Mario Galaxy 2
 * Super Mario 3DS

Because Super Mario Bros. 2 is said that it was not the prequel to Super Mario Bros. 3 and was not the direct sequel to Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. U.S confirmed Super Mario Bros. 3 to take place after the events on Subcon. But this:


 * Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
 * Yoshi's Story
 * Yoshi Island DS
 * Yoshi Touch and Go
 * Mario & Luigi Partners In Time (Past)
 * Donkey Kong
 * Donkey Kong Jr.
 * Donkey Kong 2
 * Mario Bros.
 * Donkey Kong 3
 * Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (Super Mario Bros. & Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels)
 * Super Mario Bros. 2
 * BS Super Mario US
 * Super Mario Bros. 3
 * Super Mario World
 * Super Mario Land
 * Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
 * Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
 * Yoshi
 * Yoshi's Cookie
 * Yoshi's Safari
 * Wario's Woods
 * Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars/The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
 * Super Mario 64
 * Luigi's Mansion
 * Super Mario Sunshine
 * Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
 * Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (present)
 * New Super Mario Bros.
 * Super Mario Galaxy
 * Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
 * New Super Mario Bros. Wii
 * Super Mario Galaxy 2
 * Super Mario 3D Land

I think these are the timeline that works perfectly, despite I've forgotten some games. Since Super Mario Bros. 3 said that Mario was not seen for a long time, ignoring the time when Mario went to Subcon. Super Mario Bros. 2 was like a spin-off that just eventually happened unknownly sometime after Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (because The Lost Levels directly toke place after Super Mario Bros.) Yes, it was not a direct sequel, but the game happened after The Lost Levels and BS Super Mario USA (Super Mario Bros. 2's direct sequel) happened soon before Super Mario Bros. 3 itself. After BS Super Mario USA was over, Wart disappeared again, he never made a war in Subcon.

Wario's Woods take place after Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land while Toad was never seen that time and Mario had adventures with his old best friend. Wario certainly wanted to have his revenge on Mario by attacking the Mushroom Kingdom. Birdo first went to the good side some years after BS Super Mario USA.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 's timeline take place several years after BS Super Mario USA, The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 's timeline takes place at the same time, Wart has several years to have a good manner and acts like an ally who haven't made antagonism on Koholing Island. Link was sleeping, leading him to Koholint Island, the new dream world, due to the fact of being subconscious.

The past times such as these games were confusing us alot. I was checking the Zelda Timeline, and give me some hints, this one would certainly be the accepted timeline.--Prince Ludwig 00:00, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

That's a really weird article.
Like, really really weird. The Mario series has no continuity, so no timeline. And by the way, Yoshi's Island DS depicts the birth of Yoshi at the end, so it should lead into Yoshi's Story. Just saying. That article is nonsense anyway. Koopalmier (talk) 11:34, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
 * I feel there is some merit to having somewhere to put "[Thing] is explicitely stated to be set after/a specific ammount of time following [another thing]", but yeah, this page is... not good. Not to mention it seems to be pushing fan theories as canon. --Glowsquid (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
 * The Mario series has a timeline and continuity. It keeps producing follow-ups. By the way, this article is also about chronoligical references, hinting to be after/before a game. Like Super Mario Sunshine is obviously after Super Mario World and Super Mario Sunshine. This article might be improved someday. Note that Princess Peach has a birthday as well (New Super Mario Bros. Wii). Or this article can be like the Zelda Timeline article from the Zelda Wiki.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
 * I don't disagree, I'm a Mariologist myself. But following this wiki's rules, the Mario series has no continuity. Even then, this article should be about references in games to other games that establish a continuity, but not fan-made stuff (making up a timeline for instance). For instance, Mario Sunshine does make references to SMB3, SMW? SM64 and LM, but then only SMB, SMBTLL, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, SM64 and LM should be listed under it. Well, all main series games are obviously the "main" continuity so they should all be listed, but yeah. Well, I could re-write the article in the way I mean (because I can't explain well), if you want. You can always undo it anyway. Koopalmier (talk) 19:59, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

I don't know. Each new installments of the Super Mario series follows the Mario series's story, even though it doesn't look like that to those who follows the wiki's protocol (not all of them), it's actually as if the Mario series has a continuity. I'm pretty sure that's the case. Most installments has references from their predecessors confirming to be actual sequels / follow-ups (indirect sequels) or prequels. Prequels most came from other sub-series, where they are also part of the main story.

The Mario series changed right after the E3 2009 trailers of New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Mario Galaxy 2 by the developers, having most installments of the Mario series to have "stories as little as possible" that time. The story doesn't matter anymore, and there aren't much of chonological references. It's up to us to notice the references by ourselves. The Japanese sources and infos are reliable, like where it's said that New Super Mario Bros. 2 is after New Super Mario Bros. Wii, while we sometimes mess up the timeline of Mario. They could be quite helpful for writting down the chronological references.

This article can not only tell the references, and obvious theories on whether it's after or before a Mario game, but reveal the confirmations of being sequels or prequels, directly or indirectly.

I should add one more thing, it should be reminded that Mario had and will always have a timeline.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 00:49, 7 October 2012 (EDT)