MarioWiki:Proposals

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used.
 * 2) Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts. (All times GMT.)
 * 3) *For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
 * 4) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * 5) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 6) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 7) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 8) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 9) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 10) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an admin at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 12) There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 13) Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the Administration.
 * 14) If the admins deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 15) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
 * 1) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.


 * For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.

How To
 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. (All times GMT.)
 * 4) *For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
 * 5) Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 6) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Merge Double Dash!! to Rocket Start (Discuss) Deadline: April 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT Extended: May 6, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Kraid with Brinstar Depths (Discuss) Deadline: May 7, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Split Pale Piranha from Piranha Plant and merge Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) with Piranha Plant (Discuss) Deadline: May 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Whispy Woods with Green Greens and Dream Land (Discuss) Deadline: May 11, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Split Badge into a badge page for each game (Discuss) Deadline: May 12, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Fish (Balloon Fight) with Summit (Discuss) Deadline: May 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Split Densetsu no Stafy 3 from Video game references (Discuss) Deadline: May 19, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Talk Page Proposal
I have noticed that talk page messages are basically the only edits in the Recent Changes. I now have a rule that will restrict the amount of talk edits you may have. Like user, if you have over 30% of your edits on talk pages, with the exception of users with under 250 edits total, your talk page will be protected and you will be warned by an administrator to not leave messages on other user's talk pages. First offense will result in a one hour block. Next offense one day. Third offense one week. Any further shall be decided by administration. This is so there will be more main edits. I myself have lots of talk edits, and I am trying to edit the mainspace more. '''Update:With the forums, even if you don't have an e-mail like me, this rule still applies. If you are a talker, and you don't have e-mail, well too bad and sorry.'''

Proposer: Deadline: May 7, 2011 (23:59 GMT)

Support

 * 1) - Like I said in the comment section, if a user has only 3,000 edits and already has over 1,000 on user talk pages then we have a problem. I have 9,000 edits and just barely over 1,000 on user talk pages. RAP (the user with the most contributions on the wiki) has 1009 edits on user talks. So I find it a really big problem when a user with only 3,000 contributions has over 1,000 on user talk pages while a user with 27,000 contributions only has 1,009.
 * 2) - A user should have to be productive when some one has over 1000 edits and 6% are main space despite countless User Space warnings something has to be there to back up the warning

Oppose

 * 1) Again, it is taking away a user's freedom. We need to communicate and collaborate with each other to make the wiki better, we're not going anywhere if we have to contribute to the wiki alone.
 * 2) Per Zero.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) - It hasn't become an issue with load times, etc. like it was over at Bulbapedia. If it ever started to overload the servers, we might have a problem. Since we don't have a problem, I see no reason to limit users' rights.
 * 6) Per Reversinator's comments.
 * 7) - Too inflexible. Also, protecting a user's talk page is utterly pointless, as it would only prevent them from receiving messages, not from sending them. On top of that, other users would be unable to contact that user at all. This is not a rule we should implement.
 * 8) Per 0.
 * 9) The rule does not specify whether it will count for either idle chit chat or actually helping others to help the wiki. Therefore, this rule may actually hurt other users a lot instead of trying to achieve its purpose.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Per the Gray Magikoopa and the green-haired purple dragon.
 * 12) - Per all.
 * 13) - Per all.
 * 14) I PER THEM ALL
 * 15) per Luigi is OSAM
 * 16) Let's keep it communism-free here folks.
 * 17) After much thought, I've changed my vote. This proposal will be more harmful than beneficial to the wiki and its users if passed, as users could end up being penalized for asking for help via the user talk pages. The idle chit-chat is a relatively recent occurrence, and I think most of us can admit to having some, but overall, the users I've seen have been dedicated to the mainspace in terms of what is posted on talk pages. I think this proposal should have focused more on what users are using the talk pages for, not just the fact that they're being edited to a greater extent than the mainspace; disciplinary action should be taken against those whose userspace edits are not only excessively large but also pertain to idle chit-chat, not against everyone who has a large number of userspace edits.
 * 18) Per all. I'm much more concerned about the quality of user talk edits rather than the quantity.

Comments
I totally understand what you're saying, but I really don't think a set guideline is necessary. Whenever we want to check up on users who edit their user page too much, we just look at this page. Our current user page protection length is 2 weeks after being warned, though this may be subject extended length depending how severe the offense is (so don't create 50 user sub-pages).-- 18:42, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

So would this proposal actually make User space warnings mean something

Goomba:it will hopefully get some users to make more main edits.

What talk pages are you talking about? Are you talking about Mainspace or User's?

Zero: user talk.
 * I believe he's talking about the massive amount of edits going on with user talk pages (people asking to be friends, those "shops", one user just started some sort of club where he gives out items every week). Those kinds of edits are all on talk pages and they can pile up. And frankly, when a user has only 3,000 edits and they already have over 1,000 on user talk pages (that's around 30%) then we really have a problem.
 * So I suggest better to make a policy on archiving user talks after a limit is reached.
 * @Zero: This is not removing people's freedom to express themselves; it's removing their freedom to treat this website like it's facebook. They can still make edits on talk pages, just they can't clog up the entire wiki with those messages. I'd also suggest the forum to those users who can't bear to not talk to eachother. And archiving user talk pages won't help.


 * Also, @Knife: Protecting user talk pages is never a good idea.

@Superfiremario no way would you oppose what with having 6% main space out of 1000 edits despite like 6 warnings that's ridiculous dude so no way would you oppose a proposal that would make you actually do mainspace edits

@Goomba:Yeah, he needs to be warned more. I have included a warning when I told him my Mario Kart code, and he just responded with an okay, without a saying[I will try to make more main edits].

We can't ban people from chatting on user talkpages. They are needed to communicate with others. Yes, a lot of people do talk about things unrelated to the Wiki very often on their talkpages, but if we put a limit, it may prevent them from asking important questions and talking about the Wiki and how to improve it. The admins already keep an eye out for the users editing their userspace too much. We can't block them if they talk about the right things on their talkpages.

Let me give you this scenario: Suppose a new user has 300 edits. Out of those edits, 100 of them are made on user talk pages (33%) and 175 of them are on main pages (58%). His edits are actually good and the majority of the edits on user talks are just questions he asked to more experienced users. Should a new user really be banned simply for asking how to do something without screwing it up?
 * OK, the way I see it, the biggest problem with this proposal is how it is formatted; not the concept of the idea. So if this proposal was changed to be something more (as Edo puts it), "flexible", people would support?
 * Here's my take: The sysops currently look at each user's edit history and see if they are making an exorbitant number of talk page/userspace edits compared to encyclopedia edits. This is done on a case-by-case basis, making it relatively fair. If this proposal is passed, the case-by-case approach that works well is lost.

@Tom the Atum: You can no longer get warnings, reminders, last reminders and get blocked for userspace.

@Marioguy: Just to clarify, I was only talking about the user page, not the user talk pages. @Superfiremario: What makes you say that? Of course you can still get blocked for disregarding userspace warnings.-- 17:35, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
 * He got that information from this user. The recent changes was somewhat flooded a few weeks ago by exchanges between Superfiremario, the aforementioned user, and this user. The answer's probably in their talk pages somewhere or on the talk page of a sysop (I remember Glowsquid commenting on how having too many userspace edits was not block-worthy in itself when one of the three complained). Not trying to intrude or anything, just offering information.


 * Like Fawfulfury65 and Reversinator said above, we definitely need to take into account the nature of one's edits to another user's talkpage (i.e. - whether the comments are legitimate questions or if the comments are just them shooting the breeze). If this proposal were to go anywhere at all, it would need to be reworded so that the punishment only affects those users who have an extremely large number of talk page edits that do not pertain to any important wiki issue or question to a more experienced user. Like several people have already said, we cannot punish people for asking too many questions about the wiki (as long as they are legitimate questions or comments). If we did that (even if we unknowingly did that via the passing of a proposal such as this one), new users may become turned off to the wiki for good, and we certainly don't want that. Besides, as it is, if anyone has too many talk page edits and not enough mainspace edits, a sysop will notify them on their talk page, and monitor the situation from there if necessary. They've got it under control, so we don't need to add superfluous additional procedures to a perfectly good system. 14:07, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Removals
None at the moment.

Create articles for the multiple Nintendo's development divisions
Long ago, I came to notice we had the article for both Nintendo and Nintendo EAD (which I suggest to change the title into the complete: Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development), but when I checked the last aforementioned, I noticed Mario Sports Mix and many other games were listed there as games created and developed by that division. As long as I know, Mario Sports Mix was co-developed between Square Enix and Nintendo SPD Group 4. In addition, I noticed Nintendo R&D redirects to Nintendo EAD and even though this division no longer exits (as it was merged with EAD), it developed some Mario games, like Super Mario Land, without assistance from EAD (Miyamoto was not involved). Thus, by this proposal, I think we should create articles for the multiple Nintendo division's that have developed at least one Mario game, as well, as sorting every Mario game in the Nintendo EAD's article, into the respective division. In case this proposal passed, I think the articles we would need are:


 * Nintendo Research & Development 1 (Super Mario Land series and Wario Land series)
 * Nintendo Research & Development 2 (Super Mario Advance series)
 * I think these two can be merged in the same article.
 * Nintendo Software Planning & Development (WarioWare series with Intelligent Systems)
 * Nintendo Network Service Development (BS Super Mario USA and Mario Party-e)
 * Nintendo Software Technology (Mario vs. Donkey Kong series)
 * Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development (I added it to remind all this proposal also suggest the name change).

Proposer: Deadline: May 12, 2011 23:59 GMT

Create them

 * 1) - Per my proposal, in case an article is relatively short, I guess we should creat some kind of List of Nintendo's development divisions.
 * 2) Per proposal

Merge all of Wario's Transformations Into one Article
This is similar to King Koopa's alter egos. I'm not talking about Tiny Wario and those transformations from the Wario Land series. I'm talking about transformations from Wario: Master of Disguise such as Thief Wario and Sparky Wario. Like the page, King Koopa's alter egos, I think we should make a page called "Wario's Transformations" or just merge them to Wario, or keep them. Three options I'll make.

Proposer: Deadline: May 6, 2011 23:59 GMT

Merge to Wario's Transformations

 * 1) I think it will be better to make one article instead of the 8 disguises he has. I meant to title this header, "Wario's Disguises", meaning we should make a page called Wario's Disguises.

Keep it the Same

 * 1) Per Reversinator.
 * 2) Transformations and power shots are not the same! They should be splitted.
 * 3) Per Reversinator... Trying to add something on.. can't think of anything to add to that.
 * 4) Per Revrsinator nothing left to add
 * 5) I mean, I don't know if there is a Mario Transformations article, and Wario isn't as "important" as Mario, no offense to Wario worshipers.
 * 6) Per those who per Reversinator.
 * 7) Per Reversinator's comments.
 * 8) Per Tom The Atum and Reversinator
 * 9) Per myself.
 * 10) Per everyone.
 * 11) Per Reversinator. Plus the fact that a lot of Wario's power-ups are Transformations. People get confused and will merge every single Transformation to that page that [the proposer] wants to create, while he only wants to merge the ones from Wario: Master of Disguise.
 * 12) - Leave it the way as it is! Per all!
 * 13) - Per Reversinator's comment.
 * 14) Per the dark Kirby.
 * 15) Per Reversinator.

Comments
The reason I proposed to merge King Koopa's alter egos was because it was literally just King Koopa in a costume. This costume didn't grant him any special powers or anything even similar to that, so they got merged. These forms, on the other hand, all have distinct powers, like Fire Mario, Metal Mario, or Ice Mario. Also like those forms, these powers are obtained by obtaining a specific item. Yes, you can choose that power from anywhere after getting the item, but that doesn't make them any different than the other powers. Also, can you give a reason as to why you want them merged? Simply that they are similar to the alter egos of King Koopa, which is not true as I explained, is not a substantial reason. Bottom line, they should be kept separate.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.