MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
''None at the moment.

Removals
''None at the moment.

Merge the Pipe Plaza with The 'Shroom
Okay, first off, I'd like for you to go see this. Doesn't look too well, right? Kind of... Outdated. Which is why I'm suggesting that we merge it with this. You see, my theory is that ever nobody has the time, or just can't/won't update the Pipe Plaza for whatever reason. It shouldn't ever get this outdated, and since it seems to be too much of a hassle, merging it with the 'Shroom could brighten the future of our community portal. You see, my other theory is that because one person doesn't want to update the Pipe Plaza, they feel somebody else will. It seems that mindframe has not worked.

Specifically, we should divide it into a team like Fake News, Fun Stuff, and Music & Artwork. There would be a director who coordinates what information is included, and tells the others when to send their sections in by. The section would be broken down into positions so that everybody knows what to update and the such, without getting confused. Now, to be more specific:


 * Notices
 * News – This position would include any community-based, wiki-related events (such as promotions/demotions, a list of proposals that are going on and a list of what passed and failed and a brief description of how it will/would have affected the community, etc.)
 * Maintenance/Pages Seeking Contributors – This section would provide some maintenance tips (such as links to the maintenance pages and suggestions such as removing unnecessary spacing from articles, fixing links that lead to redirects, etc.); links to pages that need contributors or expansion.
 * Featured – Lists the Featured Articles/Images that were featured on the Main Page from one issue to another, as well as any nominations that passed (as well as any Featured Articles were unfeatured).
 * Collaborations
 * Main Collaboration – Lists major collaborations that are going on, as well as list the articles that are nominated for Featured status and those that are nominated for unfeaturing.
 * Projects Seeking Contributors – Gives a link to the PipeProjects page and lists any new PipeProjects that need attention.
 * Guidelines, help, and resources
 * Links – This position would provide a few links every month that lead to pages such as Help pages, policy pages, and other helpful goodies.
 * Tip of the Month – This person would give a good, helpful, and informative tip that can aid someone in their adventures in editing.

What I have done in that list is organize it based on the categories that it is organized in the Pipe Plaza, save for a bit of merging and removing some things. I completely removed the To Do List section in my suggestion because the maintenance sections and whatnot, as it would be more specific if moved to The 'Shroom, basically covers what there is to do. This is how it will be organized if it were put on The 'Shroom, with appropriate headings and such. I feel this would make the way it works much more organized and that it would benefit the wiki.

Proposer: The Core Staff Members of the 'Shroom Deadline: Wednesday, 4 November 2009, 17:00

Support

 * 1) Per the Core 'Shroom Staff.
 * 2) I think this is a good idea. It will help get things done and it will pull the PipePlaza into the future and keep it looking good.
 * 3) - Per, but as i said uncountable times, this should be updated regularly, and not monthly.
 * 4) - Per all. As the writer formerly known as P. Trainer, and a member of the Core 'Shroom Staff, I agree. It will not only organize the Pipe Plaza in a better form, but force it to be updated more regularly.
 * 5) Per all above...but is Tucayo referring to the shroom being updated monthly or the pipe plaza?
 * 6) Per all
 * 7) - Per above.
 * 8) - If the Shroom Staff agrees on this, then why should someone else interfere?
 * 9) - Per Edofenrir. Also, this will surely help us users greatly!
 * 10) - I'll get more information on this later but right now - if so many of the smartest users (and Tucayo, jk) think it is a good idea then I approve. BTW, Tucayo is you want to remove that part about you I give you permission.
 * 11) Per the 'Shroom staff.
 * 12) I never knew there was a pipe plaza, so why not? Lu-igi board 07:20, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
 * 13) - Same with Lu-igi board. I never knew of a Pipe Plaza until now. Per Core 'Shroom Staff.
 * 14) – Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) Pipe Plaza is supposed to be a community hub and navigational map to the site. It should provide current news (maybe in the form of articles), a short list of PipeProjects, maybe some Troubles if the Trouble Center is ever revived, more maintenance, and some recent Proposals. The 'Shroom on the other hand is both a monthly newspaper and an online quasi-magazine. It's true that Pipe Plaza needs to be updated, but it needs to be given attention on its own, not folded into The 'Shroom, which will just busy the staff who will eventually abandon it since they need to maintain it all the time instead of it being directed by commmon users. Basically the Pipe Plaza is a (currently inactive) portal and to fold the whole community portal of this wiki into a monthly newspaper is absurd.
 * If anything, the Main Page should be folded into Pipe Plaza. The Main Page and the Pipe Plaza overlap in many areas, such as news, being a hub, etc. If someone decided to go to the Main Page and they were redirected to MarioWiki:Pipe Plaza and saw something incorrect, they would be quick to replace it, ensuring that Pipe Plaza, as the new Main Page, will be regularly updated. Because of this, there would be now need for The 'Shroom staff to busy themselves with maintaining Pipe Plaza since it would maintain itself on its own.

Comments
By the way, I'm just mentioning, all 7 of the 'Shroom's main directive staff supported the idea behind this proposal.
 * @MC Hammer Bro.: Im saying the Pipe Plaza shouldnt be updated monthly, as the Shroom, it should be updated like twice a week or so. We cant update news monthly........
 * Ok then. thanks for clearing that up.

Shorten Quotes
OK, I'm going to get the point across quickly, but I think we shouldn't have long quotes on articles. Instead, we should have them on the 'List Of Quotes' area. This is only because a while ago on the Fawful article, the main quote at the top of the page was AN ENTIRE SCENE of Fawful, not just a quote. I've removed it now, but even still on other articles there's like, 3 paragraphs for one quote. I think we should make it so a quote is something like the characters catchphrase (e.g., for Fawful "I HAVE FURY!"), or just a sentance. If we want long quotes, they should go on a 'List Of Quotes In (INSERT GAME NAME HERE)' page. Thank you, and goodnight.

Proposer: Deadline: November 2, 2009, 17:00

Shorten Quotes

 * 1) Per the fact I invented the proposal.
 * 2) That quote on the Fawful article was so long, I didn't even feel like reading it, and the same for every long quote.
 * 3) - Per HG
 * 4) I am Zero! Yea, we should have it like that, not the freakishly huge quotes, just a quote like "Your my knight in shinning armor." something like that short, but not exactly literally that short. Zero signing out.
 * 5) - A long quote does not belong in the top of a page. The quotes should not cause the writing at the top of the page to look weird and that is what they are doing in some articles. If a long quote describes the character however, I say we keep it.
 * 6) wario quote is ridiculesly long. Lu-igi board
 * 7) - Ya boy! Count me in! I couldn't stand the parts of Eyerok's quotes that sounded a little bit awkward when they could have just left it at "Now let's fight...Hand to Hand!" so pretty much per Fawfulfury65.

Comments
I think a quote should mirror the personality of a character, while trying to be as short as possible. If a character has a catch phrase, this is easy, but sometimes slightly larger quotes are inevitable. However, a whole dialogue shouldn't be posted as a quote in any case. -

I'm on the fence with this one. Quotes should be A: Well known in fandom (IE fawfuls I HAVE FURY!) or B: Noteable. Quotes that show their personality are a bonus. If a line is long but meets A or B it should be left as long as it's left in the quote's section. Short famous quotes should go at the top. Only put a long quote up there if we can't find anything better. Dialoge should only be listed if it is noteable. What is noteable I'll leave others to decide <.<... Lego3400 03:00, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Well I won't support before I know what maximum length for a quote you intent to establish. What about this one here for example? Too long? (I mean, this character has other much shorter catchphrases). -
 * Yeah, I think I need like a maximum length before I vote.

I don't understand why this is actually an issue. Isn't it obvious that if a quote is more of a paragraph than a sentence than it should be split into different quotes? Also, in a game such as the Mario rpgs, every little thing a character says is clearly not relevant. Yeah? FD09

Move Other Media Info. Out of Main Biographies of Characters
Okay, so the format for character articles has it so that for some reason, movies comics cartoons and so on, are included in the main biography along with actual game appearances. This seems wrong. These such topics should be included in "Appearances in Other Media". Appearances of a character in a cartoon, the live action movie, or even comics, do not match up with appearances in actual video games. Characters can have different names, personalities, and especially appearances. Different roles even, you name it. Such appearances do not match up with game appearances. And while characters do change over time in the games the case of these media is very different and should therefore not be included in the main biography. Also, this isn't removing them from the article, it's simply placing them in a more fitting section. It's really strange to be reading about a video game then all of the sudden you are reading about information from a cartoon episode.

This does not mean a specific canon is being stated. There has been officially stated as the standards of the mariowiki to be no canon. By suggesting to split these sections it is not applying a canon fact it is simply organizing everything so it is not incorrectly placed together. There is no canon, but there is a difference between what happens in a Mario video game and a Mario cartoon. Whether or not that means anything about canon is not related to this proposal. This proposal is for changing the standard of organization to be more correctly situated.

Proposer: FD09 Deadline: November 8, 2009, 15:00

Move Other Media Information to an Other Media Section

 * 1) FD09 I invented the proposal for this reason.

Keep Other Media Information in the Main Biography

 * Per 2257 in the comments. There's no valid reason to prioritize the games over everything else, since there is no canon.

Comments
Are you sure that the media sections being in that spot couldn't serve some external purpose such as chronological order?

They can serve chronological order in the other media sections. Chronological order of video game appearances hardly relates to other media. You are suggesting moving them would break some order when there is broken order by them being there. Appearances from video games to cartoons, etc have no chronological significance. FD09

Also, another problem with this is characters such as the koopalings. They have appeared in so many other things aside from video games that there is so much information on them that doesn't relate to video games that now that they are showing up again, everyone is running into confusion over names, age, and many other facts that have been revealed only in comics and the cartoons that clash with video game appearances leaving the pages needing order. FD09

To understand the reasoning behind the current policy, it may help to read over this, this, and this.
 * Okay so this is part of what I read "Removes speculation: Organizing by media and series is an objective concept that Nintendo often uses itself. Compare this to our current method: trying to organize events in the order that WE believe them to have happened, something that Nintendo has never done.

Creates a standard: now that MarioWiki:Canonicity has been rewritten, we need a new standard. I also want us to have a standard that we all agree on, not one that a sysop back from the early days of the Wiki created before we had the proposals page. Frees us from having to connect storylines. If each appearance has a different section, we do not need to speculate and claim that "After doing this, the character did that," or worry about balancing the inconsistencies such as those between Yoshi's Island, The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! and the Nintendo Comics System. Allows for expansion of alternate media appearances, such as those from The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! It is very difficult to write about the entire series in a paragraph of a subsection in the alternate media sections as our current organization has us doing."

Basically the main problem these three links you provided went over is the problem of the subject of canon as well as the whole chronological order of things. I already stated why this has nothing to do with chronological order. If it did, comic book appearances and cartoons would be listed in appearances by date, they are not. It also has nothing to do with what game takes place from what as these such media have nothing to do with this as you can read in the canon issues there is no official canon. This proposal isn't about canon, it's about the fact it is general knowledge a Mario video game has little to do with the vastly different Cartoons and OTHER media. FD09


 * "Appearances of a character in a cartoon, the live action movie, or even comics, do not match up with appearances in actual video games. Characters can have different names, personalities, and especially appearances." If there is no canon, this isn't really relevant. Therefore, this is a discussion of canon.

Incorrect. I wasn't referring to the canon of names, personalities, and so on. I was referring to the simple fact they are different. You are simply trying to find a way to make it sound like I was referring to the canon. I'm not, and I wasn't. I'm referring only to the fact that there is a difference, not a difference to the direct or set appearance or personality of a character but simply the personalities for the video games and the other media apart. I'm not saying that one thing or the other is canon. I'm saying that, as a fact, there is a difference between video games, comics, and cartoons. All of them. But the reason I'm grouping everything other than video games together is because that's what it is, the other. Doesn't mean it's all in a different canon. Just because the personality and character relations sections are not in the main biography doesn't mean they are not some canon. Stop trying to turn this into a discussion of canon. This proposal is not about stating what is or is not canon. FD09


 * So, you want to group everything into "video games" and "not video games", correct? This seems like an arbitrary distinction to me.  If we give a devoted section of each article to video games, but have everything else lumped together, then we're showing a clear bias in favor of the games.  If we're maintaining neutrality, then we shouldn't be doing that.

Surrogate Pages
A lot of users will create a page to include it in another page, like their sig or status. Some of The 'Shroom writers have begun doing this for lots of other things so that they don't have to constantly edit The 'Shroom pages. However, with the new userspace regulations, this is not allowed. I think it will make things a lot easier for 'Shroom writers.

Proposer: Deadline: November 2, 2009, 17:00

Allow Surrogate Pages

 * 1)  - My thoughts are stated above.
 * 2)  - Makes quite a bit of sense, I'm sick of seeing someone making a sub-page for their userboxes, and then putting it on their page as well.

Don't Allow Surrogate Pages

 * 1) - I hope i understood this, I think users shouldnt have more pages than the main Userpage and the sig. I also discourage that for the Shroom, as it releases them before the issue date to the public.
 * 2) - Per Tucayo
 * 3) - Per all. And these userspace rules aren't new, they were just never enforced.
 * 4) - There's a difference between user sub-pages and MarioWiki sub-pages. The 'Shroom sub-pages are benefiting a large community project. What do user sub-pages benefit? The user whom that page belongs to.
 * 5) - From what I understand, this section is to not alow users to create more than one userpage just for the heck of using that page somewhere else. I do notice that maybe it could be really important for one of those pages to exist but I also realize that many of the users here will just make them for the fun of it so, I'll have to prioritize.
 * 6) - Per all.

Comments
I dont get it...
 * Is this a proposal or a comment?
 * Hubba-what? oO -
 * I'm confused, what are you proposing?
 * He's saying that some people might make a page for their userboxes, possibly so they could edit them easier, and then just stick them back on their page. Like a sig, but not really necessary. -

Maybe they could put the userboxes on their page but put it under a new section so that there are edit links.