Template talk:Super Mario games

Mario Clash - a 3D game?
Do you really think Mario Clash fits into the "Mario 3D series" category? I don't think it does. It's just two-dimensional gameplay that happens on two different layers. It doesn't have any similarity to Super Mario 64 and any Mario games after that, as it's clearly an extended version of the original Mario Bros. game. I think we should put it among the 2D series games instead. - 17:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
 * I agree with Cobold. We don't have New Super Mario Bros. as 3D, despite it having 3D graphics, because it 2D gameplay. Yoshario''' Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png

Mario Party 3, Mario Kart DS, Mario Super Sluggers, etc.
What happened to all the spinoffs???

I don't know, but I am planning to do that thing too.

Rules for Other Games
There are many Mario games so the Other Games section can get crowded. I suggest non-narrative games such as sports and party games as well as edutainment games be moved to Template:Spinoffs or to the sub-series' own template. The rule of inclusion in Other Games should be the operability of Mario. This should prevent the template from be cluttered.--Platform 14:13, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
 * 1. Was it developed internally by Nintendo?
 * 2. Can you play as and control Mario?
 * 3. If yes, is he in a game with a plot or narrative?
 * 4. If yes, Is there significant gameplay? (this removes most edutainment games)

Super Mario Land and Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
I don't understand why they aren't included in the main series... Gameplay-wise, story-wise, developer-wise and platform-wise they are perfectly legit core Mario games.

I assume the only reason this happened is because they were not includes in the 25th Anniversary list. While that also set me back at the time, I think it's perfectly conceivable that the reason it wasn't included was the fact that, at the time, the Land series was obscure to the younger audience -- considering that 3DS Virtual Console wasn't released at the time.

The fact that Land 3 introduces Wario Land is much like how World 2 introduces Yoshi's Island, so, that's also not a problem. As a final argument, the 'Land' brand has returned this year with 3D Land, so, I don't think Nintendo and Miyamoto disregards the two Land games from the main Mario series.

I think the inclusion of SML and SML2 to the template should be reconsidered. :) -Ash Pokemaster 11:10, 27 December 2011 (EST)

I agree. In fact, all mario games with the name "Super Mario" is absolutely part of the main series without question. Technically Super Mario Land 3 is part of the main series whether one accepts it or not. However, exceptions definitely include RPG games which goes without saying. Wikipedia even supports this fact. 27.96.204.95 20:34, 1 January 2016 (EST)

Why are RPGs listed here?
They're obviously Mario spin-offs: they belong in the Mario spin-off template, not here. 15:05, 19 February 2014 (EST)
 * I agree that RPGs are spin-offs, but at the same time, the Spinoffs template already has an abundance of games. Just for the sake of making it less clogged, I'd rather keep it here.
 * I think a separate template for RPG's could be good.
 * @Time Turner: I'd prefer accuracy over clogged stuff: I've seen more templates bunched up than this. Adding an extra section in the Mario spin-offs wouldn't hurt. And I don't understand why Mario RPGs should get any more special treatment than say, Mario Kart or Mario Party ? 15:44, 19 February 2014 (EST)
 * RPGs qualify as Mario spinoffs, however, so it makes more sense that the RPGs go under the Mario spin-off template. I wouldn't keep the RPGs here just because the spinoffs template is big already; that's a weak reason. I prefer accuracy over presentation. 15:48, 19 February 2014 (EST)

Add Amiibo?
Just a suggestion, want to see what people think. Toad  and his brigade!  22:08, 14 January 2015 (EST)


 * amiibo isn't a game.


 * -Toa 95 (talk)

Super Mario Maker is part of the main series
Super Mario Maker is not a spin-off, or a side game. It is part of the main series and should be listed there asap. 27.96.204.95 20:33, 1 January 2016 (EST)
 * It's actually listed under "Miscellaneous" but listing it alongside the mainstream games feels... weird; even if it is a mainstream game, it's a very unconventional one being more focused on being a tool rather than an actual game. In the end, I'll put in under "platformers" but under "other". 00:31, 9 January 2016 (EST)
 * I think it's fine in Misc, although part of me also wants to say put it in the Art Utilities area and just figure out a broader name for that category. I just worry that having it in the "other" platformer area might just make it seem conspicuously not in with the other "Super Mario" platformers. - 00:35, 9 January 2016 (EST)
 * Elaborate on the last point? 00:46, 9 January 2016 (EST)

Irrespective of it feels weird or not, Mario Maker is listed as part of the "main" platformer series in that 30th anniversary book. --Glowsquid (talk) 10:00, 9 January 2016 (EST)
 * Bump, but so are the Super Mario Land games. I'm confused. 01:09, 31 January 2016 (EST)

Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario
Shouldn't these two distinct series be split based on their respective series instead of being under a single role-playing category (since "Role-playing" is an extremely broad genre and it arguably encompasses more games than just Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, and that one Square Enix one. Though it raises the question of what that Square Enix RPG will go...) I think we should translate the RPG similar to how "Sports Games" and "Crossovers" are managed, split them off to two series, and maybe put SMRPG in a misc section 00:39, 9 January 2016 (EST)

Renaming to "Mario franchise"
Shouldn't we also include nonvideo game media in this template, or should we rename it to keep the scope to just the games? 17:50, 17 August 2016 (EDT)

Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
This game should be in "Crossovers" not "Miscellaneous", as that game is a crossover with the Raving Rabbids series.
 * The Crossover category is limited to the Mario & Sonic and Super Smash Bros. series at the moment, otherwise, Fortune Street would be there as well. We may need to restructure the template... 22:28, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
 * Was just about to reply, lol. But yeah, an "Other" section has been added to "Crossovers" for any non-Mario & Sonic and Smash crossovers. 22:35, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

Split into smaller templates?
This template is already quite large and will get larger in the future. One can imagine what it will look like decades into the future. Smaller templates can be made from the left most column so there will be one for platformers, rpgs, sports, etc.--Platform (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2019 (EST)
 * Or maybe have one template with smaller templates inside of it? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:17, 26 January 2019 (EST)
 * Doc's idea seems most suitable to me. 02:22, 26 January 2019 (EST)
 * I had considered that with the numerous Koopa templates before, but decided that the clashing colors would be too much. This, on the other hand, is a more viable situation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:33, 26 January 2019 (EST)
 * I agree to that.--Platform (talk) 03:27, 26 January 2019 (EST)
 * I agree with Doc's idea as this template is massive and it always felt surprising that we did not have a template for Mario Kart games, Mario Tennis games and other spin-off series with a large amount of entries so turning this template into one with several templates would make it easier to navigate. 7:37 January 26 2019 (EST)

Super Mario Bros. 35
This game should be in the "Other" part of the platformer section, as it is not a mainline Mario game. --Mjmannella (talk) 22:20, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
 * That was your tenth edit, so you're autoconfirmed and can edit it now. 22:46, September 6, 2020 (EDT)

Super Mario Maker (2)?
This is listed as a main game, but according to the official Super Mario Encyclopedia (https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Bros._Encyclopedia) it is **not** a mainline Mario game.


 * See this proposal; the official website also lists it among the others. 05:56, September 13, 2020 (EDT)

Dr. Mario should be listed as (NES/Game Boy), not just (NES). - DKL (talk) 13:45, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Length
This navtemp is, quite frankly, getting absurdly long. There are multiple things we can do about this; we can outright split it into several smaller templates, or what I would prefer, break it down into internal templates akin to what we do with the gallery navtemp. Anyways, it is indeed very large, and also the way it is set up now, the Kart series is several layers of separation away from the other racing games listed as miscellaneous "sports" games (of which racing, including Kart is indeed a subgenre of). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:33, June 3, 2023 (EDT)