MarioWiki:Proposals

 A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that sysops or users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has strong reasons supporting it. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 8) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 9) A sysop or user calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary, and archives the proposal.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
None currently

Removals
None currently

Monobook Reskin
This may sound VERY insane to all of you, but I would like the wiki reskinned to black? This is not because it looks slicker (though I think it does :P ), it is because it saves power. Just use www.blackle.com as an example (Currently 112,468.241 Watt hours saved). If this is accepted, anyone who likes the white can just ask me to make the wiki look how it used to again.

Proposer: and  23:49, 24 July 2007 (EDT) Due Date: Tuesday, July 31, 17:00 EDT

Support

 * 23:49, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
 * 00:04, 25 July 2007 (EDT) I was with PLUMs while he decided to make this a proposal, and I would like to reiterate the environmentally friendliness of MY OWN skin. Check it out, it looks slick, too.
 * 00:15, 25 July 2007 (EDT) Saves energy.

Oppose

 * 1) – Our default skin is a fair one that works for our plentiful guests. If you are concerned with energy, do you part by making your skin dark. We're not changing the appearance of what's now a high-frequency site for activists. Secondly, this shouldn't be a proposal, this is Steve's decision.
 * 2) -What Wayoshi said.
 * 3) - In my opinion, a black page looks unusual especially in the MediaWiki software, and might more scare away new visitors than attracting them. You can still, like the others said, use your own monobook skin.
 * 4) It could scare away young and new users, it looks freaky, and you have to ask Steve anyway.
 * 5) – Black and other dark colors don't seem to fit the theme of a Mario wiki well. Like everyone else said, you can change your own monobooks if you want.
 * 6) - It would hurt eyes, and it would also be (As Max2 said,) scary for the children.

Comments
You can change the text color you know.

We'd have light blue text, it looks nice.

Should we perhaps take it up with Porplemontage? He did create the default monobook and you can't do anything without his permission regardless of whether this proposal is won. Ask him first. 00:17, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
 * And slick or nice in whos opinion, most users aren't fans of dark colors. If you wanna save energy you should probably change your monobooks.
 * And most users aren't fans of dark colors isn't an opinion? I just wanna save more energy than I already am. 11:19, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Tch. I'll just make a note on the main page for all environmentally concerned users. And stop telling us to change our own, mine is ALREADY more friendly to the environment than you can imagine. The Blued doesn't look creepy, it looks very nice, I use it everyday. Xzelion shouldn't have a say in this, considering the MWUserpedia incident...

Don't do it. Hk, it's dark and creepy. I'm not trying to insult, but make your own Emo monobook, don't change bright colors most of us enjoy. Either way, Steve will say no.

Take back that Emo comment if you know what's good for you.

All I'm saying is, go be dark and creepy somewhere else. There are a lot of people here who hate black. More than you 3 who like it.

Max2, this has NOTHING to do with black or how it's cool. It's about the fact that it consume less power. Gofer

It'll consume less power because NO BODY WILL JOIN WHEN THEY THINK WERE ALL GOTHS OR SOMETHING. And then we'd have to change the logo, which teve would like never say yes to, I've heard.

The power play is that black costs less energy to power up.

and then there would be a huge decrease in new guests. Face it, Mario is for kids. Kids like bright. Not dark.

If it costs less energy to run, that means it also costs less MONEY....

but at the cost of less users. Don't we want more users?

Isn't Steve on a frugal streak as of now? I mean, look at the ads!

Why is black instantly associated with evil, creepy, Goth, and Emo? That's actually a bad stereotype, you guys. Jeez. Because something is dark, that doesn't mean its diseased or something.

It doesn't cost me anything more or less. The "causing less energy to run" argument takes place on the user's side because their monitor will use less energy to display the site. -- 15:55, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

That's how i thought it would work. Too bad for me!

Splitting the Jump page
The Jump page has many officially named jumps with enough content for an article on the page. Should they all be split?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) (started by ) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Support Split

 * 1) - The Super Mario Wiki has its own section for special moves, so it is pointless to put masses of them on the same page.
 * 2)  14:36, 26 July 2007 (EDT) They all have sufficent content.
 * 3) theres enough info for them to merit there own articles.
 * 4) – Most of the jumps seem worthy of articles and have enough information.
 * 5) they do have enough content, thank me for that :). I propose we at least keep a short list of Jump related moves however.
 * 6) Read Plumber's comment below (the first one)

Comments
We'll just use  14:45, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Merging Paper Mario (Chapters) with Paper Mario
The PMTTYD chapters article was merged with the game's article, so should we merge these articles for consistency as well?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) (started by ) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Support Merge

 * 1) – we did this for PMTTYD, so what makes Paper Mario's chapters any more special enough to remain separate?
 * 15:01, 26 July 2007 (EDT) same as Knife
 * 1) - The storyline is the main part of a game. It's unreasonable to split exactly that from the article.
 * 2) I agree with Knife.
 * 3) I agree with Max and Knife.

Comments
You are offering Support Split and Oppose Merge. That's not fair. :P - 14:58, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Hmm, what a weird mistake I made. 15:02, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Merging Macho Grubba
We have a separate articles for many forms, but should Macho Grubba get to keep his article? We have articles on simple forms like Fire Mario or Cape Mario, but we do not have articles on Mr. L and Rookie (Bowser's alternate alias in MLSS). Does Macho Grubba deserve the same fate?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Support Merge

 * 1) – Macho Grubba is only a form encountered in a boss battle once. I'd say Mr. L deserves an article more Macho Grubba since he antagonized Mario's crew almost half of the game (though I'm not saying we should split Mr. L either).
 * 2) - What Knife said.

Oppose Merge

 * 1) Macho Grubba is a boss with a unique moveset, as well as being a tranformation of Grubba.
 * 2) We can't be inconsistent. Rookie and Mr. L are merged because they have no different powers from their normal forms. But Macho Grubba has different powers than Grubba, warranting an article. Plus, we must be consistent, as you don't see Fire Mario merged with Mario, do you?  15:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
 * 3) Macho Grubba is a boss, and also progres's the story line. Macho Grubba should deserve his own article.

Merging Conjectural Minor NPC articles
Do each of the conjecturally named Minor NPCs deserve an article? Are the NPCs in the Paper Mario series more special than other NPCs in the other RPGs just cause they have tattles? You decide.

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Oppose Merge

 * 1) It was already decided, Knifey Needle.

Comments
Wasn't this decided long ago? 15:37, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Merging with
Are Luigi's NPC Partners in PM2 considered important enough to be added with the playable partners of Mario's Partners?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Oppose Merge

 * 1) this doesn't make much sense since they are more like NPC than partners and have never helped Mario.
 * 2) Even the person who put the template on (me) agrees with Knife.
 * 3) What Knife said.

Merging Piranha Plant in the Generator with Goop Generator
Essentially, the Piranha Plant in Generator is part of the Goop Generator, so does that mean they have to be on the same article?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) (started by ) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Oppose Merge

 * 1) They are only inside the generator. If we kept that tradition, we might as well merge everything into the Earth article, which would be merged into Outer Space, which would be merged into the Marioverse.
 * 2)  15:32, 26 July 2007 (EDT) It is not the Generator, it lives in the Generator. Should Earth be merged with everything?
 * 3)  - Species do have a high ranking. Objects like the generator do not. If anything, Goop Generator should me merged with Piranha Plant in the Generator. But I doubt it's necessary.

Comments
"Species do have a high ranking. Objects like the generator do not. If anything, Goop Generator should me merged with Piranha Plant in the Generator. But I doubt it's necessary." Why did the above vote by me get removed? What's wrong with it? I have a reason. Please explain yourself. - 16:05, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Mario is a part of the Mario Bros, shall I merge them? And shall we merge the Koopalings into Koopaling?

Ummm... sure? I didn't even vote and I'm being attacked... 16:33, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

You're the one that proposed it. not me.
 * He didn't propose it, he just moved it. There was an ongoing discussion on the talk pages of the related articles. Also, you cannot compare things like that. - 16:36, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Proposing it doesn't mean I support... sheesh. 16:35, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Sorry. And, the plant is part of the generator. Not THE generator.

Merging Yoshi (species) with the Yoshi colors
Do the colors of Yoshis deserve articles? Most are color variants of the Yoshi (species). Does this mean we have to mere them all?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) (started by ) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Support Merge
There can be a section about the colors of Yoshis, similar to Toads. I don't see many distinctive properties about the Yoshi colors and they should be merged into this article.

Oppose Merge

 * 16:10, 26 July 2007 (EDT) They deserve articles with Category:Sub-species.
 * 1) different personalities, major differences in Yoshi's Story (So 've heard), and they are much different then the Toads, who are pretty much all the exact same.

Comments
"Major differences in Yoshi's Story (So 've heard), " Actually, the only diferences is that they like better (Read: They gain more health when they eat one.) the fruit that matche their color. Really, Only the Black & White yoshi stand out of the crowd. And where the Yoshi with different colloration showed a different personality? I played SMW, SMW2 and YS, and they din't seem to act different. Gofer

Creating a New Section For Merges/Splits
With a lot of merging and splitting going on (see sections above), and us bringing many of them up on this page, do we really need another section just to keep it easier to group?

Proposer: 14:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT) (started by ) Due Date: Thursday, August 2nd, 17:00 EDT

Support New Section

 * 1) – this would probably make voting a bit easier and more convenient.
 * 2) - exactly what Knife said.
 * 3) - creates more overview.
 * 4) per Knife.

Comments
Wow, this is getting insane. Of course. I was going to do this tonight, even on my bad laptop. Can we just screw this and do it? Also, a separate archive for these 17:02, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Sure, let's just implement it right now. 17:03, 26 July 2007 (EDT)