User talk:Grandet Omate

Welcome, and FNC
Welcome to the Super Mario Wiki. Just to let you know, one of the images on your userpage titled ValiantComics-Toad.JPG has been moved to File:ValiantComics-Toad.jpg. Simply change the capital JPG to jpg and press save changes to fix the image. Have fun! Trig - 16:07, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Userspace
Hello, I've noticed you've been making a large amount of edits to your userpage. Please try to focus on editing mainspace more. Thanks! 17:48, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

Categories
Please also note that simply removing will not suffice; categories should be added, like this:. Thanks! 01:21, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

You are still doing this. Files should be categorized like this:. 01:37, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Sorry, I didn’t see the message until now. I added the categories to all of the images that other people didn’t add to already. Hopefully I’ll remember this next time I upload. Grandet Omate (talk) 19:11, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

List of games
I don't want to get blocked for inappropriate behavior, but why did you remove those games? Human beings including myself worked hard to get that information on that list and then you remove it. Why? I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just asking. Lord Falafel (talk) 20:39, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

My impression was the list was to contain every Mario game where Mario or another Mario franchise character was a Main Character and didn’t have an equal role with MANY others. In games such as Minecraft and Skylanders: SuperChargers, Mario characters don’t appear in the game until you either buy the Mash-Up Pack or scan the Bowser or Donkey Kong Skylander figures respectively. In games like Punch Out, Mario series characters (DK) only make very small appearances, and we have a page for that: List of Mario references in Nintendo video games. Finally, all Game & Watch games without a Mario Character in the title have nothing to do with Mario until most (not all) got a modern version in the Game & Watch gallery series which contained Mario characters as the lead roles. The thing is, that’s it’s own game! The original Game & Watch games are different from Game & Watch Gallery, those are separate remasters with Mario characters. Grandet Omate (talk) 01:07, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Re: "Why would you source the name when it's used in game?"
It's likely an 'artifact' left over from previous editions of the page, especially if the game was a more recent release at the time, or else placed there by someone who isn't as well-versed in editing. You can probably just remove it without posing a likely-rhetorical question in such a manner - "Name is used in-game" is a much more succinct and less accusatory way of putting it. :V -- 12:23, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I didn’t mean to. I am using “Name is used in-game" now like you suggested I should. Thanks. Grandet Omate (talk) 12:27, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Honestly, I think it's generally useful to have older references available when the names only show up in-game later (as opposed to in an accompanying product, which is when we do practice leaving references out). For example, having a Super Mario World reference for Jumping Piranha Plant conveys the clear idea that "okay, they used the proper name in other sources at the time so the in-game typo is clearly a mistake in that game's localization." It also prevents giving the reader false impressions like Ptooie Plant being Ptooie's name at the time of Super Mario Bros. 3 due to now being the only name reference left in the article. That, and it just makes it easier to keep track of when and where certain name changes occurred at a glance rather than having to dive into the article, helping to maintain it chronologically rather than having to resort to double-checking via the page history. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:09, August 3, 2019 (EDT)


 * That's perfectly fine, thank you for elaborating. Actually makes sense explained that way. -- 22:34, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

One more thing, regarding stuff like this - on the flip side, I don't see any see any place where it says "in-game citations must be removed on sight" and in fact, is declared as an acceptable source given context in policy (note it also states that generally "references should never be removed"). While I'd say that unlockable content is obscure enough, there is another example taken from your own recent edits: you left the game text reference for "Parabiddybud" intact, despite your logic otherwise seemingly suggesting that it should be scrubbed from the wiki, so you must be aware that leaving in-game references out is obfuscating in some cases. I have seen instances of someone slapping a on an article or even rewriting it because certain in-game references were not properly cited the first time, and while you may not make that mistake, the loss of this information is not how to prevent further instances. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:45, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Additionally, if you're still intent on doing that, be mindful of leaving around remnants haphazardly: this is one recent example, but others had to be cleaned up. Also, be aware of context. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:04, August 9, 2019 (EDT)

Broken references
When you're removing references, make sure you remove any other ones that call (reuse) those references as well. i.e. After removing a reference that looks like  you must remove the ones that use the same "ref name" too  (see Citations). Otherwise you're leaving broken references at the bottom of the page. 06:26, August 16, 2019 (EDT)