MarioWiki:Proposals

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Add a section to Naming regarding technical restrictions
I'm surprised no one has talked in depth about this yet. Sure, we don't have that many technically restricted names, but we still have some, so I think we should set in stone a policy for these titles. Take the castle levels from Super Mario World as an example. "#1 Iggy's Castle" is located at "Iggy's Castle" rather than "1 Iggy's Castle"; while the former title is fine, it might still cause some initial confusion for the newer readers. Basically, what I'm proposing is that we start officially use closely-matched titles for subjects if the correct title is technically restricted.

A draft of the proposed text can be found here.

Also, if you're wondering, Porplemontage green-lighted this proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: April 5, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) Sounds good to me! Per proposal.
 * 7) Considering that we can't use the actual name, the closest match surely makes sense.
 * 8) Per all, this just seems like the sensible thing to do anyway.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) The proposal is about allowing as many characters in the original title as possible, if the suggested title has technical issues. When such a case occurs, use the   MediaWiki Magic Word to correct the title.   in URLs are used for linking to headers in a page name, like this example. Even forcing URL encoding brings up an error.  I couldn't get MediaWiki to parse this normally, so a forced URL is used to demonstrate.

Comments
So if this succeeds, what will happen to the Iggy's Castle article? (Also, remind me for when I start my own franchise, to name a character "<>'' ," symbols included, just to mess with the ensuing wiki.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
 * It'll be moved to "1 Iggy's Castle", with the display title unchanged so it still shows the proper title. MediaWiki doesn't like certain symbols in page titles, so have fun with that hypothetical wiki if it comes ;) 11:09, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Just thought about it but how about a notice template for such pages? -- 17:00, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
 * That's not needed unless even cannot display the correct title.  10:56, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Give the seven boss Tikis from DKCR their own articles
Because the rest of their official names have just been discovered in a datamine of the original game.

Proposer: Deadline: April 5, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Need I say more?
 * 2) These guys are like the Seven Notorious Koopalings.  Each one not only has a name, but is also a character and a boss.  It’s not quite like Gary or Johnson (whose articles SHOULD be deleted) or even the Sammer Guys.  The Tikis are characters—major boss characters at that, and not just minor NPCs.  One of them, Kalimba, even has a Smash 4 trophy.  And the fact that the Tikis only appear in a single DK game should not stop us from giving them articles.

Oppose

 * 1) A name, in and of itself, is not enough to substantiate having separate articles (see: List of Sammer Guys). Is there another reason they should have articles?
 * 2) - Per Time Turner. They may all have a name, but they aren't diverse enough (they all do the exact same thing) to justify individual articles.
 * 3) Per Time Turner.
 * 4) Per all. Plus, they're not even fought normally at all, which that case would guarantee articles.

Comments
I forgot to mention, but in order, they're called: Kalimba, Maraca Gang, Gong-Oh, Banjo Bottom, Wacky Pipes, Xylobone, and Cordian. BooDestroyer (talk) 18:07, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

@YoshiFlutterJump They are different from the Koopalings in that the Koopalings are: also, why should Gary or Johnson not have articles? They deserve articles as much as Otto or Heronicus. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * A: Bosses themselves
 * B: Characters with actual personality
 * Let me tell you one thing. The Seven Notorious Koopalings (that’s what Minion Quest calls them) hardly had personalities before Paper Jam (to the extent of having NO dialogue), and we had articles for them long before then.  While the Tikis are not bosses, they possess bosses and are key to the story.  As for your second point...minor NPCs shouldn’t get articles just because they have names.  The Tikis are not minor, though. - 23:18, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Even just regarding Super Mario Bros. 3, the Koopalings had enough diversity to justify their own articles if the wiki was around then. They each had the same role, but different names and abilities. Regarding the SMB3 cartoon as well, they also had different personalities. The same cannot be said for these Tikis.
 * Gary and Johnson, according to Minor NPCs, their articles are valid. 23:23, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Saying the Koopalings didn't have personalities before Paper Jam is outright wrong, remember their individual speech balloons in the SMB3 manual? The depictions in the cartoons and comics? Their pre-battle behavior in NSMBW? The Tikis all act exactly the same, and are only ever on screen for like 5 seconds each, and have no dialog. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:27, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

I fail to see how character personalities is any sort of viable argument against article creation. I can get on board with their extremely minor role and their appearance, but not their personality. 00:54, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

I should point out one thing: we don’t even have an article for them as a group. Tiki Tak Tribe just covers every enemy in the game, and is not devoted to the boss Tikis. At the very least, we need an article for them as a group. - 13:19, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Smash Bros. Articles: What Stays and What Goes?
The previous Super Smash Bros. proposal allowed us to justify previous exceptions to Smash coverage (i.e. the stage hazards and Smash Taunt characters) and paved a path for future exceptions. After the discussion on the forums, this proposal will outline exactly what further exceptions will be made, as in which pages will be merged and which pages will remain intact. With that out of the way, let's dive in!


 * Fighters: No changes are planned.
 * Stages: No changes are planned.
 * Items: No changes are planned.
 * Bosses: The inconsequential bosses of Subspace Emissary, including Duon, Galleom, Meta Ridley, Porky, Porky Statue, and Rayquaza, will be merged to a page specifically for the mode's bosses. Tabuu and Ancient Minister remain separate due to significant relevance to the story, with Tabuu also being the final boss. By that same token, Crazy Hand, Master Hand, and Master Core will remain due to also being final bosses. Separately, Ridley will stay due to multiple appearances across more than one game.
 * Enemies: The Adventure Mode, Subspace Emissary, and Smash Run enemies will be merged into separate lists (i.e. "List of Smash Run enemies" and so on), exactly like the ones that existed previously.
 * Stage hazards: Despite my previous comment about stage hazards being exceptions, there are exceptions to that, including Dark Emperor, Flying Man, Metal Face, and Yellow Devil. These pages will be merged to the stages that they respectively appear in.
 * Assist Trophies: They will be merged to Assist Trophy, as it was previously.
 * Pokémon: They will be merged to Pokémon, as it was previously.
 * Moves: Special moves will be merged to the character that uses them (e.g. Mach Tornado, Drill Rush, Shuttle Loop, Dimensional Cape, and Galaxia Darkness will be merged to Meta Knight; for moves that are used by multiple fighters, the information will be split between them, such as with Shield Breaker), as it was previously.

Note that this proposal isn't completely exhaustive: there are scattered pages like List of Mii Outfits and List of bonuses in Super Smash Bros. that also deserve scrutiny, but considering the subtle differences between each of them, it'd be best to tackle those individually and not overburden this proposal. Still, there's plenty that's already being covered here. It's a lot to take in, but these are changes that should be taken for all the same reasons as before. It's disingenuous to treat the Super Smash Bros. series as if its Mario content is even close to that of existing crossovers with the franchise like Fortune Street and Mario & Sonic. The wiki should strive to reflect that.

Proposer:, with input from Deadline: April 9, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.

Do not create Super Mario Odyssey sublocation pages
The current Super Mario Odyssey Kingdom nav-template has (mostly red) links for all the named locations within every kingdom in the game. I think each one of these locations getting an article is a bad idea.

While some of these locations are pretty big and unique, like the Deep Woods and Snowline Circuit, most of them are simply extentions of the main world or too small and not so relevant by themselves, and presenting them disconnected from each other would make these pages feel short on content. Island in the Sky (Bowser's Castle), Rocky Mountain Summit (Forgotten Isle), Heliport (New Donk City), Glass Palace (Bubblaine) and Salt-Pile Isle (Mount Volbono) are some examples of locations which are, at most, glorified platforms with a Checkpoint Flag on/near them. There are also three Tostarena Ruins locations, three Water Plaza locations, two Iron Path locations; having an article for each one is unnecessary as they are part of a whole rather than defined places (which is also the case of things like the Waterfall Basin and Stone Bridge in Fossil Falls and the Tostarena Northwest Reaches).

I believe there is enough space for information about these areas in the actual kingdom articles. An overview (what it is, where it is on the map, general layout, what enemies and characters are there) can be written in five lines or so. We do not have articles for Super Mario Galaxy planets, not even for the giant, named ones like the Haunted Mansion in Ghostly Galaxy. Even if (unlike the planets) the SMO locations are named in-game, they are as relevant to their game as planets are to SMG.

So, I propose:
 * Do not create any Odyssey sublocation article: Put the information about these spots in the kingdom articles only.
 * Create separate articles for notable sublocations only: Another possibility is to create separate pages for well-defined structures and areas which are unique within their kingdom: the Top-Hat Tower, Tostarena Town, Tostarena Ruins (as a whole), Jaxi Ruins, Inverted Pyramid, Deep Woods, Water Plaza (as a whole), Underground Power Plant, Snowline Circuit, Underground Moon Caverns keep/get their articles. An overview of every location (notable or not) would go on the main article.
 * Leave everything as it is: Create articles for every Checkpoint Flag location of the game.

Proposer: Deadline: April 9, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Do not create any Odyssey sublocation article

 * Per my proposal.

Create separate articles for notable sublocations only

 * Per my proposal (I'm fine with either).