Talk:Rudy

Concept Art of Rudy
On this page of the Japanese Nintendo site, small concept art of Rudy the Clown is available: Click! There his hands are connected with arms to his body, instead of floating around like in the final game. Just wanted to mention that, if somebody wants to work on this rather orphaned article and might find the concept art useful. --Grandy02 14:03, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Name
He's not called "Rudy the Clown" in Dr. Mario 64. He's just "Rudy". Yet this page has been named "Rudy the Clown" since it was created back in 2005. This leads me to think whoever localized Fortune Street actually got the name off this wiki. Vent (talk) 13:42, 24 February 2016 (EST)
 * Huh, interesting. It'd be fun if it's true: now we just gotta mistakenly rename "Junior (II)" to Pink Donkey Kong Jr. and hope that someone official copies that too so we can leave it there. Anyway, I updated the page to say that DM64 only calls him Rudy, with refs. - 15:20, 24 February 2016 (EST)

Hello So just move it then?&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Rename Rudy the Clown to Rudy
As mentioned above on this talk page, the character is unnamed in his debut appearance, and was not named until Dr. Mario 64 which called him "Rudy". A decade later, the character was mentioned in Fortune Street as "Rudy the Clown". (This wiki's use of "Rudy the Clown" predates the localization of Fortune Street, so this is a possible case of citogenesis.) Because Fortune Street was localized by a party who may have been unaware that "the Clown" was not part of the character's name, I feel it reasonable to think we'd essentially be citing ourselves for it.

Proposer:

Deadline: November 30, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support (Rename)

 * 1) Per my own proposal.
 * 2) It seems to be citogenesis through a fan nickname popular on various message boards, and wasn't even for an actual role, but an offhand mention.
 * 3) what they said
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Fortune Street and its English translation was released after "Rudy the Clown" was made popular online. Unless we can find an earlier official source, "Rudy" should be used here. Citogenesis is still citogenesis, no matter which form it takes. The message of the Super Mario Encyclopedia proposal shouldn't end at Dark Horse.

Oppose (Do Not Rename)

 * 1) - While it's possible the name came from us, the name is used in-game, so it's also perfectly valid (though perhaps the instance can be noted in trivia?).
 * 2) Per Alex95.
 * 3) Per Alex95.
 * 4) Per Alex95.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) - Per Alex.

Comments
How are the fonts in Fortune Street? They in ALLCAPS or regular? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2018 (EST)
 * Regular text, called "Rudy the Clown" in game. 12:43, 16 November 2018 (EST)
 * At the same time, I'd like to note that Kamek's full title has been said to be "Kamek the Evil Magikoopa" by an official source predating this wiki, but we don't have that as his article's title. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:44, 16 November 2018 (EST)

I don't consider this citogenesis. It's clearly a case where a popular fan name became part of a game, perhaps through the wiki's influence, but it's still in an official Mario game nonetheless. It's not like the Encyclopedia where tons of information was blatantly copied from the wiki with no regard for how much sense it actually made to use it. -- 13:21, 17 November 2018 (EST)
 * It should be noted that Square Enix appears to have outsourced the English translation to Keywords International Ltd. Rather than the localizer blessing the fanbase with a nod and a wink, it is much more likely that the translator just didn't have a Nintendo reference file at the moment and did a quick online search to get what seemed to be the official name for an obscure Wario villain that only gets a passing mention. The fact that it is in-game shouldn't matter (I'm fairly certain the same thing also happened to Caped Mario to a lesser extent). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2018 (EST)