Talk:Wilt Shroom

Merge Wilt Shroom with Dried Shroom
Same Japanese name, same function, no significant differences other than amount of HP restored (and items have restored different amounts of HP between games before). And considering how much the Paper Mario series references Super Mario RPG, it'd make sense for these two items to be intended to be the same thing.

Proposer: Deadline: September 19, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per
 * 4) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) They have different names in English, both look completely different, and they restore different amounts of HP (which may not be all that relevant, but my other points still stand). I don't understand the logic of "Japanese names instantly make it the same thing", as if the English versions mean nothing.
 * 2) SYB has a good point. Per him.
 * 3) I don't see the point to merge these two articles, especially when their appearances and English names are different. If Super Mario RPG was a Paper Mario game, I'd lean toward a merge, but they're two different games by two different developers, despite Paper Mario's being a spiritual successor. The only similar cases I can find are Maple Syrup and Honey Syrup, but they share English names across the games, so they aren't great examples. Otherwise, there isn't a great precedent to cite here other than similar Japanese names (not a strong case) and loose assumptions of succession (not a strong case either), so I'm leery about a merge.
 * 4) The Dried Shroom is a common item found that is the weakest mushroom available. The Wilt Shroom is entirely a 'joke' prize given out by Knife & Grate, plus it has a companion in the Rotten Mush which Dried Shroom does not have. The argument is that two items share the same Japanese name. May I direct your attention to Mr. E (Paper Mario) and Mr. E (Mario Party Advance). Are they the same because they share the same english name? Things share names sometimes.
 * 5) Per Mario & Shadow2

Comments
It's not that English names don't matter, but Japanese names have priority in these cases. And the fact that the HP recovered is different means nothing, as shown with Fresh Pasta Bunch.
 * It's not just the names (though they're still a good argument as to these being the same thing), but these also fill the same role (shriveled old mushroom that barely restores any HP), and the Paper Mario series is notably influenced by Super Mario RPG. Binarystep (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2015 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I know Paper Mario items change effects from time-to-time, and that this is even more likely since it's from Super Mario RPG to Paper Mario, which is why I wasn't sure if it was that good of a point. I still think the very different appearance counts for something. -- 11:20, 7 September 2015 (EDT)
 * Super Mario RPG has a pretty different artstyle than Paper Mario, though. Binarystep (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2015 (EDT)

@Shadow2 I don't see how one having a counterpart proves they're different. Honey Syrup in Super Mario RPG has Royal Syrup as a stronger variant, but the Paper Mario version doesn't, does that make them different? They even look different, Honey Syrup being red in Super Mario RPG and yellow in Paper Mario. Also, the Japanese names are the original names, while the English names are created by the translators (who don't create the games themselves). Binarystep (talk) 22:40, 7 September 2015 (EDT)