Talk:Hammer Bro

Boss?
If Hammer Bro. was a boss, wouldn't it say Super Mario Bros. 3 on the boss page?

They aren't bosses, just enemies. They walk about the Map Screen at times, and if Mario touches one, he'll battle it. 3D

Hammer Bro. was a boss in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix but it the boss page it mentions their first apperance not their first apperance as bosses. Understand? Paper Jorge

I wouldn't call it a boss in DDR. It was the first stage in the world. Hisak 18:12, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Hammer Bros. are bosses in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars though. -- Son of Suns

Name
Is Hammer Brother the official name? I've only seen it reffered to as "Hammer Bro."

In addition to being mention in a couple of Mario Party mini-game descriptions, Hammer Brother is the longer version of a Hammer Bro.. 15:43, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I've read a few manuals (SMB3, etc.) they called them Hammer Brothers, same with the Fire Brothers, Boomerang Brothers, Sledge Brothers. -- Sir Grodus

I Have A Hammer Brother Map Icon Picture from SMB3 (GBA version)
I took a couple pictures of the Hammer Brother Map Icon from SMA4 (Super Mario Advance 4) with my camera phone. as soon as i learn how to upload them to the computer, i could submit them. is the map icon neccessary or useful? From, Ninja Lucario

If it is extremely bad quality, it may be removed (which is the case with most camera phones :P. While it isn't necessary, it would be useful. 15:42, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I have 2 different ones. as i've said, as soon as i figure out how to upload them to the computer i will submit them. Ninja_Lucario

change of plans: i will take new pictures with a digital camera and my Game Boy Player (it turns out i dont have the cable for my phone). i'll take the pictures and upload them sometime this week

sorry for the inconvenience,Knife

Ninja_Lucario

No dot.
In Mario Party DS, "Hammer Bro" is spelled without the period. Change the title, spelling, et ceterah?
 * Nope. Mario Party DS is the only game to call them Hammer Bros without the period. Now if another game calls it that...Then maybe it'll be valid.

Why does He like Music?
Why did he choose to take over Toadette's Music room? Is he a musician? User: Mecha-Boss Unit

"Sub-Species"
Can I ask why Boomerang Bro, Fire Bro., Sumo Bro., etc are considered "sub-species" of Hammer Bro.? If they were hammer-wielding, boomerang throwing/fire-spitting, sumo-wrestling enemies then, yes, I suppose they would be. The only connection between the two are they have "Bro." in their name and they specialize in some weapon or technique. I would think they'd be sub-species directly from Redstar 10:18, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * The Boomerang Bro. and Fire Bro. have the same shell, same helmet, overall same physical appearance as the Hammer Bros. except for their colour, and they have a similar movement/attack pattern aside from the weapon they use and are found guarding treasure chests in SMB3 just like the Hammer Bros. - and they are, in fact, listed as Hammer Bro. variations on Japanese Wikipedia. I've never thought of the Sumo Bro. as being related to the Hammer Brothers in any way though personally, since they look and act very different, their German name is simply "Sumo-Koopa" (so it doesn't even have the Bruder (brother) part) and their Japanese name (listed as K.K. in Super Mario World's credits) doesn't seem to indicate any relation either. The "Hammer Bro. sub-species" thing only seems to be hinted at in the English version of the game for some reason.--vellidragon 11:24, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Well if they have the same appearance and everything is the same but their choice of weapon, shouldn't that meant that they are also sub-species of Koopa Troopas? It makes no sense to assume that they're all somehow descended from Hammer Bros. A far likelier thought would be that, in-universe, some Koopa Troopas train with hammers, some with boomerangs, some with fire, etc. and that "Weapon/Technique" is a job-title and "Bros." is a title/position. The species infobox already has a section for "Related Enemies", so it wouldn't take so much to move some stuff around. For example, for Hammer Bros., Amazing Flyin' Hammer Bro., Calm Amazing Flyin' Hammer Bro., Calm Hammer Bro., Dark Hammer Bro. and Sledge Bro would stay under Sub-species (because they all still use hammers, and are apparently only of differing temperament/personality) while the others would be moved to Related Enemies, because they fill a similar role, just in a different way. Redstar 11:56, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Hammer Bros. types aren't only characterised by the fact they carry a hammer; both the games and official artwork portrait Hammer Bros. as a different species of turtle than the regular Koopa Troopa (look at their beaks for instance). Since Boomerang and Fire Bros. share the appearance of the Hammer Bro. and not the appearance of a Koopa Troopa, they'd be related to the Hammer Bro. and not the KT. There's of course no way to clearly determine whether the Boomerang Bro. for example would have descended from the Hammer Bro. or vice-versa (in-universe, that is), but fact is that they're the same species (which is different species than the Koopa Troopa) and Hammer Bros. were the first to appear in games, so it's probably safe to assume they existed before the others (and at least from a game development perspective they quite clearly served as the base for the other types).--vellidragon 12:14, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I was curious about the differing appearance. While they were originally bipedal and Troopas quadrupedal, Troopas have been "updated" to also be bipedal in recent years. The physical differences between them also very, where-in some media there's very little, if any difference. When there is a difference, the only things appear to be a smaller beak and more-visibly segmented shells. In any case, the article still links to the Koopa Troopa (species) article rather than the Koopa (general "turtle" "race") article, so that should be changed. I'm still wary of classifying any of the other Bro. enemies under the Hammer Bro. mantle, since even if they are a different Koopa species outside of Koopa Troopas, they would all be divisions of that species, not Hammer Bros. I was considering making a general article listing all the different Bros., much like the Koopa article lists the different Koopas, but the only name I could come up with was "Koopa Bros.". Obviously it fits well as a species' name or title, it still calls to mind the Paper Mario enemies. "Koopa Bros. (species/class/group)" could work, but I really don't know. Redstar 12:30, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Since their species is never named in the games, an article like that would be mostly speculation (the name in particular), so in my opinion (since this is a Wiki) it might be better to keep it the way it is, using only information that can actually be obtained from canonical sources, and the only thing we can obtain from those is that Boomerang Bros. etc. are similar to Hammer Bros. and were invented (by the creators of the games) after them (and their designs based on them; they are no more than palette swaps, in fact). Just my two cents, other people may have a different opinion on this.--vellidragon 12:41, 3 December 2009 (EST)
 * Well, that's why we have the {conjecture} tag. Easily notifies readers that the title of the article is made-up, while the information therein is factual. It's been used often enough that it isn't exactly a "last-ditch resolution" tag, but something acceptable. Besides, an article as basic as the Koopa article that groups together the various Bros. and speaks of their related history based only on factual evidence isn't the worst article to be proposed. Redstar 12:46, 3 December 2009 (EST)