MarioWiki:Featured articles/N1/Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

Support

 * 1) This article is very detailed,has much images,sections this must be a FA!
 * 2) - Now that it is all organized (with some very very minor things I would like to change) this is perfect for a FA. MATEOELBACAN, I was going to nominate it...but that's okay. This has every single requirement all completed.
 * 3) - Like mateo said, this article has "much images" and is the proper length with enough detail.
 * 4) - Like all the reasons mention above, Dimenshi will side with the support as usual. Thy article has many great features and touches many other articles don't have. It is amazingly outstanding, and met every requirement known to FA's. This will probably pass in a short while...
 * 5) Luigi456 - this Article is really good.
 * 6) Mario304 - Per Luigi456.
 * 7) - Quite the article. I'd have to say this is the first, and best piece of work that the "generation" of users that I belong to has done by far. I wish we could do this well on some of the other articles :P
 * 8) User:Super Bowser Jr. - Per MATEOELBACAN
 * 9) User:Yoshionfire - per all
 * 10) - Everything seems fine by me.
 * 11) - Per Redstar...

Oppose

 * 1) - This is a nice article... but I still don't think its FA material. First, as I said in the comments, the gallery seems cluttered. Also, there needs to be more info on battles and stats. I can fix those I guess though...
 * 2) - There's two ugly tags now. And sprites of the enemies don't look so great. It needs to stay consistent throughout the whole article. And look at the end of the story section people! Do you call THAT much images, or in this case, any? Images needed to be placed correctly throughout the whole article, not just in one spot. There needs to be an image in the ending sequence besides that cake.
 * 3) - Although there are plentiful images in some sections, some other sections (especially near the end of storyline part) are barren wastelands of text. The sprites of enemies need to be consistent too.
 * 4) - No offense, but both the battle section is s*** bad. It has information that is not true and also some of the trivia could fit in the gameplay differences. Gameplay differeces in Trivia. And the release difference could just be in the trivia.
 * 5) - It's surprisingly incorrect in places.
 * 6) - Everything seems messed under the summary; a rewrite tag, the supposed "bestiary" is incomplete and less informative, and needs a good cleanup overall.
 * 7) - Sorry, but IT IS lacking consistency and detail in quite a lot of places. Needs some more images, too. And how come there is no mention about there being no save after Dark Bowser has been punched into OBLIVION? Surely there should be at least some information about that in Trivia or some such section?

Comments
Needs a longer summary for a nice introduction
 * If you think so, you should actually oppose.

The article is riddled with bad writing, grammar issues, and typos that cannot be corrected in a simple sweep. They are so ingrained in the writing that it must be looked over several times and re-written again and again before it's anywhere near readable. The Enemies sections is largely composed of nothing but tables, which should be split off into a Bestiary article akin to the Paper Mario article. This article is close to being filled-out, but it's only an essay seemingly written the night before due-date. It needs polishing. Redstar 00:11, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redstar, before you go changing everything, you got to think about what I said on the Superstar saga comments. We just can go fit every detail to the last atom added or else it would be very unorganized, very long (bore users half-way through it), and it would be plain out chaos!!! And if you want to talk about the grammar, and how it has to be prefect, then right it yourself!!!
 * Per my response to you on the MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga page, high standards for a supposedly high-standard honor is not a bad thing. I am not asking for "every detail to the last atom" to be added. I am simply asking for all relevant information to be added and organized in the proper way. Boring users is not our concern. If they don't want to read the "boring" sections, they can either not read them or just not come to the page. Redstar 00:26, 29 November 2009 (EST)


 * It's well written, but it needs two images to fill the gap between the image of Fawful Express and the cake at the end of the game.--

I've added tags to all the sections that I feel needs work. It's far worse than I initially expected. As before, bad writing, grammar issues, and typos are riddled throughout the text of this article. I also ran into text that seemingly was added out of no where, which implies vandalism, but I really don't know. I recommend these areas be taken care of before I change my vote. Redstar 07:24, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Other Bestiary??!!-WTF?!-- 08:58, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * It's the standard that technically must be done anyways. Just make a motion to split it, then work on it later while this article can be featured without it. Redstar 09:01, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * It not a standard. There's no "All FAs have to have a bestiary" or anything like that for the FA requirements. Check the Featured Articles page and look under the FA Standards section.
 * Per FF65, why does it have to be the Mario & Luigi Series so suddenly. We have bestiary for Paper Mario, because that is because the game has a bestiary since you can tattle on enemies. There is not bestiary related stuff in the Mario & Luigi series! Also, why this series, why are you not changing or rewriting stuff on other articles that are in worse shape than this one. This one and there series of Mario & Luigi have great articles, with a flaw or a few, but that is beyond my point. We don't need to rewrite entire pages and sections just to change the page into what you want it to look like. The bestiary stuff, we don't need it for this series!!!!! Please, many users worked hours, days, even weeks on this just for it to reach a high level like this. Don't change it just because you have major issues with grammar or small information is missing from the already long story section!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Why not make this into a proposal? Other users can choose on if there should or shouldn't be a bestiary.
 * I think that should be good
 * Proposal time then!
 * It is a standard. I didn't imply it was a standard for Featured Articles, but for game articles in general. I am bringing it up now because you guys want to Feature this article, and I feel it's not good enough for that. It therefore gets seniority over the other articles, because no one is suggesting that those are good. Baby Mario Bloops: "many" users may have worked for weeks, as you say, but the article does not have a "high level". Anyone with a basic high school-level English reading skill can see that. And I'm an English major, so obviously I can see all the issues with writing. MATEOELBACAN doesn't even appear to have English as a first-language, and he's the one writing most of this. Seriously, the article needs work. Redstar 22:37, 29 November 2009 (EST)


 * Yes,my first language is Spanish, but what's wrong with it?!, I'm good with English!, and I only want to help!
 * I understand you want to help, we all do, but an intimate understanding of the language is necessary for polished presentation of it on an English wiki. Fawful made some "corrections", but really she corrected things that were already correct and made them worse. I like the work you've both done already, but as far as writing is concerned you need to treat careful ground. (Though Fawful's recent editing of the Paper Mario page has been really nice) Redstar 21:46, 30 November 2009 (EST)
 * Well, if grammar issues isn't important, it isn't well written. F.A.'s are well-written articles unless you consider horrible grammar "well-written". Plus, horrible grammar makes our wiki look dumb. Just because "many users" worked on it for weeks (yes, we can give credit for their courtesy and commitment) doesn't mean it shall be high-quality..yet. We have to continue working on it before we can make this a featured article.

Alright, after a look over and a few edits, the only things I feel need to be changed before changing my vote is moving the artwork gallery to the correct location, and expanding the Battle System section a bit. While most of the battle mechanics aren't much different from the previous two games, we still shouldn't have to go to the Superstar Saga article to learn how the third game in the series plays. I recommend just copying-pasting all the information over for consistency, then making changes when need-be. Redstar 15:29, 4 December 2009 (EST)

I think that if the enemy table was removed and the Trivia and Differences sections were weeded through, this article would be perfect for a featured article. As is, I could go either way. Sournote103 6 December 2009

I think the same but also I think that don't remove the table,only re-add to it the images of before.

Yeah, the table needs some pictures, some color. Look at the Superstar Saga article's tables! They look great with the pictures!

Exactly x3
 * "Weeded" through the Differences and Trivia section, removing quite a bit of trivial information. Looks much cleaner. Redstar 20:43, 19 December 2009 (EST)

Other than the table, I think the only place in need of fixing is the screenshots subsection in the gallery. I mean, there's some Japanese screenshots, and some English screenshots. We need all the screenshots in one language: of course English. Also, the character sprites should be deleted from that subsection and possibly go in another subsection for "Game Sprites".


 * Frostyfireyoshi, in every Mario & Luigi series game, you could never save after you defeat the final boss (PiT: Shrowser was the true final boss, technically). If it happens in the series, it goes to this page.