MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM"
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 28 2024 (EDT)

Crossover Species Page
Er, I think this goes on this section... Whatever. OK, I was discussing this with Stumpers over a certain edit involving a Hedgehog, and we came to an agreement. We believe that perhaps a List of Crossover Species page is needed. I'm feeling lazy right now, so I'm not gonna bother listing five examples. Instead, someone else can fill the blanks for me. Just an idea... We could possibly merge things like Topi, Polar Bear or Octorok with this as well.

Proposer: Deadline: March 17, 2008, 17:00

Create a Crossover Species List
It makes sense. No reason to have several pages about things not actually from Mario.
 * 1) I'm the Proposer, and all that jazz.
 * 2) I never thought about it as a way to merge other aritcles, so I'm only in support of the making an article for Hylian, Hedgehogs, Foxes, etc.
 * 1) Per all. It makes sense.

Don't Create a Crossover Species List

 * 1) Per Ghost Jam in the comments. Seem rather pointless.
 * 2) Walkazo - If we're not going to merge already existing articles about crossover species and only not make them in the future that's gonna cause some unneccesary inconsitancies, confusion and more proposals down the road.
 * 3) - I don't see a reason for merging them. They are all long enough to warrant their own article. (I'm refering to species which are enemies, e.g. ReDead. We wouldn't need articles because crossover characters are of a certain species, e.g. "Hylian")
 * 4) - Per my comments below.

Comments
I'm all in favor, as long as it DOESN'T GET CARRIED OVER TO MARIO SPECIES. This Wik was made so every character and enemy, great or small, gets its own article.
 * Not to be Mr. Idiot, but just so I understand things: We'll be making a list article that will contain info on Hedgehogs, Foxes, Topis, and other crossover species; however, we're keeping articles like Sonic and Knuckles because they're about crossover characters?
 * I talked with DP about the merging Topis, and he and I are pretty sure we'd like to keep species that are also enemies separate, so Octoroks and such are fine. Nothing that is currently separate will be merged with this proposal as I understand it: the proposal only allows us to include information about hedgehogs and such collectively, so that the reader does not have to search through a bunch of articles to find what he or she believes is all of them... and also to include information about the species as a whole as well.  Characters are definately not going to be merged.  But, all this is just to my understanding.  DP will have to give you the offical word.  17:14, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * This seems like a lot of work for little reward. You're talking about a handful of species that appear more than once, a group of one shots and some species that will, in all likelihood, result in another proposal about what to do with them. This idea either needs to be fleshed out or dropped.
 * Also, DP, in future, if you are too lazy to properly and completely explain your proposals, then please wait until you are NOT too lazy to do so before making them. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:42, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * If I can stand up for DP here, this really would have been a proposal better headed by me. I asked DP to do it for me because I'm occupied with acting in accordance to the results of the "Birdo" proposal.  21:18, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks, Stumpers! Now I'll vote!
 * No problem! Thanks for the vote.  22:04, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Sure thing! I try to participate in these as much as possible!

Me and Stumpers listed a few Crossover species here, if anyone is curious.
 * Speaking of, Rooben just let me know that Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man are of the Pac species. 23:12, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks guys, that helps. And, my Namco instruction book calls them "Pac"s.

Hey 3D Ejong, what about the Pokemon characters huh? They were merged into 1 big Pokemon article. (Actually I don't like that.

Let's get this squared away. Let me know what you think: we won't be merging Re-Deads and such. This article is only for the addition of material. It would be something like this: Hedgehog -- Hedgehogs are a species of humanoid animal from the Sonic universe. They are brightly colored with spines. All hedgehogs are fast, although Sonic and Shadow are the fastest. Notable Hedgehogs: Sonic, Shadow, Amy Rose (trophy). 17:53, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

"Bad Jokes and other deleted Nonsense" -style archive
The English Wikipedia had an archive called "Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense", where contributors can archive vandalism or plain bad writing that they consider to be humorous. The French and German Wikipedias still posses such a page, and it's quite possible that other Wikipedias posses such a page, as well. I think we should have a similar page. anything that ranges from Bad Writing to Humorous and non-harmful vandalism should go on there, although only articles stuff should be included. No User-talk things.

What are the gains from creating such a page? Well... This will stop the frequent recreation of deleted nonsense (Such as Mario (Species) and "Snufit Ball") since those pages will be redirected to the Bad Jokes archives and archived in all their glory. And as many users have noted in the votes comments, it would show new user what to not write. This may seem like Troll feeding, but if anything, Trolls are feeds by overreacting to their attacks (For example: Creating the Patroller ranking just to fight them), recording a few vandal edits isn't that big of a feeding in comparison.

Anyone should be able to edit the archive page, and there shouldn’t be any edits war about what to add/remove. Of course, common sense should play a part here. The Mario page being littered with obscenities can't really be considred funny, the Pirate Goomba article stating the obvious can be considered funny. Use your brain!

Proposer: (The idea comes from this message of Deadline: March 21, 2008, 20:00

Support

 * 1) Blablabla Me proposer Blablabla Me gaves reasons above Blablabla I need a sandwich.
 * 2) - We have so much pages about rules etc., time to show how not to write articles.
 * 3) - Per above. :D
 * 4) http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Yes, per all. Not only would it help some new people who don't know what to write but we can definatly store Snufit Ball in there. That will make the Snufit Ball fans stop all this arguing. Or at least, I hope.
 * 5) per all
 * 6) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 7) – you convinced me, as long as it's clearly stated for a newbie that this is NOT what to do.
 * 8) Pokemonfan7002 I agree.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 1) – you convinced me, as long as it's clearly stated for a newbie that this is NOT what to do.
 * 2) Pokemonfan7002 I agree.
 * 3) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) - If the point is to help to stop people from recreating deleted articles, it would make more sense to just block creation of said articles than to create another page that's just going to end up being huge and difficult to load.
 * 2) - DO NOT FEED THE FREAKIN' TROLLS! We don't need MORE vandalism to come from this. Any User with common sense knows that they shouldn't vandalize, even if they are new; the whole thing seems pointless.
 * 14:05, 16 March 2008 (EDT) I don't understand... we want to preserve vandalism? This is going to be a trophy case: "May '07 Spam Award to Daisyiecakes for posting a section on Mario and Daisy's secret love."  That's not what it'll actually be but it's what it will look like to the potential vandal.
 * 1) - Honestly, I think this is WORSE than that Pie proposal. Why would we give spammers their own page! They feed on people being aware of them!

Comments
Ghost Jam, I don't think the point is to stop people from making deleted articles, it's just to put vandalism/dumb writing that you found funny on a page people can view. I would have thought that at least you would understand that it's just for fun. <_< N/O
 * Plus, it could help n00bies to learn how not to write. :P

I don't know. At first I thought this sounded silly and unprofessional, but we are a Mario wiki, meaning we don't have to be serious about everything. It would teach new guys how not to write, and it might stop nonsense articles. I'm not sure whether to vote yet, though. whoops, forgot to sign again.

* ahem*, have you guys heard the term "Do not feed the trolls"? If we make a page full of vandalized articles, that will only inspire MORE trolls to come which will lead to MORE vandalism. Trolls vandalize as a means of becomming popular on the Wiki; this page is only going to further their goals.
 * Hmmm, good point. But isn't most of the stuff just going to be bad User writing? Like the Pirate Goomba thing. I'm no expert, but aren't most Troll edits piles of... er, excraments? Like Willy on Wheels moving everything to _____ on wheels. That's not funny, that's idiotic. - Walkazo

Pokemon DP: If anything, we feed the Trolls by overreacting to their attacks, such as creating a completely new ranking just to fight them, in comparison, having a few humorous vandal edits recorded on a page is rather minor. And beside, why a vandal would vandalize the wiki to "becomes popular"? That's broken logic.

As Walkazo said, the Bad Jokes archive will be mainly filled with bad writing (Ex:The Orange Yoshi article stating that people confuses Brown Yoshi and Orange Yoshi, although the occasional humorous vandalism (Such as the Mama Luigi article) can go in there. --Blitzwing 11:19, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

How about just bad writing, not vandalism? Becuase this would be cool, just it is a good point an archive of vandalism encourages vandalism. So just bad jokes and bad writing go in the archive. 14:45, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Well... Bad Jokes and Funny Vandalism = Pretty much the same thing. Unless that by "Bad Jokes", you mean things like the infamous "Pie for "everyone" proposal. Note that not every vandal edits will be recorded on the page. Things like "Mario (species)" should be archived, things like "Mario is a (insert swear word here)" shouldn't. --Blitzwing 17:06, 16 March 2008 (E ber

Hmmm... people on the opposing side have a good point. But it might help us a bit and... it would be funny. 17:42, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Isn't that basely like the Sandbox?? Princess Grapes Butterfly 17:56, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * No. You can write whatever you want in the Sandbox. In the Bad Jokes archive, you archives edits that were on article, you can't go there and write random crap. --Blitzwing 18:06, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Ohhhhhhhhhh, i understand now. Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Final Smash Trophy Information
I noticed that for the characters that are in Super Smash Bros. Brawl articles, there are the Final Smash Trophy information. The exact same information can be found on each of the Final Smash Articles. (e.g. Ike and Great Aether.) I think that the ones one the character's article should be deleted, even if that means we should put a link to the Final Smash article. I don't think there should be two duplicate trophy informations on two articles.

Proposer: Deadline: March 17, 2008, 17:00

No Trophy info on Character pages

 * 1) Well, why would I be against my own proposal? :P Reasons are given above.

Keep Trophy info on Character pages

 * 1) No one said the Trophy Information had to be restricted to one article each. Its about both the Final Smash and the character using the Final Smash, so, it stays on both articles.
 * 2) Sometimes there are great bits about personality in those trophies.  Take Luigi, for example.  Nowhere else are we lead to believe that Luigi's life in the shadow of his brother has done anything... weird to him.
 * 3) Princess Grapes Butterfly Per all. I sorry but I most agree with 3dejong.
 * 4) Keep it!If trophies were kept,it would be much easier to both guests and users.:]User:Goldguy
 * 5) http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif I'd have to agree mostly with Stumps here. We wouldn't know why the heck Luigi has suc ha bizzare Smash if it wasn't for trophy information.
 * 6) Per my tiny argument below. And above.
 * 1) Per my tiny argument below. And above.
 * 1) Per my tiny argument below. And above.

Comments
Why can't we just keep that info there and put a link to the final smash?

How do you unlock the Final Smash trophies anyway? Via All-Star mode? --Trogga 15:13, 14 March 2008 (EDT


 * Trogga, that's unrelated to the proposal, and shouldn't be discussed here. Ask at someone's talk page, or something. Don't do it here.


 * No, I'm asking if they're linked by the way they're unlocked (like in Melee). --Trogga 00:14, 16 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Oh, dunno. Besides, is there even an all-star mode?

Pokémon stuff
Hi everyone, okay now to business. How do I put this? I think there should be articles for each Pokemon from the Smash Bros. series instead of all into 1 article. Because seperate articles would make more sense (in my opinion), because most of the Pokemon's stuff is mainly trophy stuff and there should be more about the different kinds of Pokemon. A lot of Pokemon do very different kinds of things. Also if by chance, my proposal doesn't work, than somebody has to merge the Dialga, the Palkia, and the Cresselia articles with the Pokémon article. Love Sincerly

Proposer: Deadline: March 20, 2008, 17:00

Seperate Articles

 * 1) I'm the proposer and per above.
 * 2) Agree, look at my user name you'll see why. user:Pokemonfan7002

Big List

 * 1) Walkazo - See comment below.
 * 2) - Per Walkazo.
 * 3) - Per Walkazo (Duh).
 * 4) Sorry SMF, I'm still your friend but I have to agree with Walkazo. Pokemon don't really belong on Mario Wiki.
 * 5) See comment below.
 * 6) Per all. I'm a HUGE Pokemon fan, but I don't think we need this.
 * 1) Per all. I'm a HUGE Pokemon fan, but I don't think we need this.

Comments
The thing is, unlike other crossover species there are tonnes of Pokémon and as this is the MarioWiki they'd be out of place. Plus it'd be inconveniant to navigate all the short little articles, wheras one large article is perfectly fine for the amount of info that can be expected about Pokémon here. If you want to read about the different species in detail, go to Bulbapedia. - Walkazo

I'm just talking about the Pokemon in the Smash Bros. series.
 * We do that because they appear in Poke Balls, and the same logic applies to Assist Trophies. 17:35, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

This is the MarioWiki, not a PokemonWiki. As such, too many Pokemon articles would make this a rather less Mariowiki place. I continue this tomorrow.

Anyways. This wiki is about Mario, not Pokemon. Too many Pokemon articles would wreck the site. Keeping them merged is best.

Yeah MegaMario has a good point.

Changes
None at the moment.

Template:Koopas
For those of you who don't know this template, it (presumably) consists of a list of every Koopa species and every character in those species. Most groups of Koopas have smaller templates doing the same thing (i.e. Template:Koopa Paratroopa or Template:Spinies); however, unlike the Koopas Template these lists are small and easy to use. The Koopas Template is used primarily for articles that do not fit into one of the other Koopa groups (i.e. Bowser), most of which are Koopa Troopas and their kin (i.e. Koopatrol). I propose we slim down this bulky template so that it only consists of these "misfit" Koopas; and to cut down on even more of the clutter, I propose we make the much-needed Koopa Troopas Template. Prototype versions of both these templates can be seen here.

Proposer: Walkazo

Deadline: March 21, 2008, 20:00

Two Smaller Templates

 * 1) Walkazo - Being the Proposer, my opinions are stated above.
 * 2) Makes sense. Per Walkazo. As long as you're not planning to make a "Dragon Koopa" template. (kidding)
 * 3) Tahts a big template. Per the azo that Walks. Or Walkazo, if you're boring. :P JK
 * 4) Huge Templates makes things hard to distinguish because they are overcrowded. I think we should also split the Yoshi Enemies template, that one is freakin' HUMONGOUS.
 * 1) Huge Templates makes things hard to distinguish because they are overcrowded. I think we should also split the Yoshi Enemies template, that one is freakin' HUMONGOUS.

Comments
We can't use yours, it breaks the page up. <_< I suggest you try fixing that before you try to get it used.
 * It doesn't on my computer, but I use hexadecimal workarounds and they go screwy a lot so I'll look into that. - Walkazo

Concerning Blitzwing's comment, there are many ways to deal with the Yoshi Enemies Template than splitting it, such as organizing it so all the enemies are divided into sections based on the Enemy Classes, sorta like how I made this species-only Koopa Template I made in my spare time (if it doesn't work again blame my ancient computer). - Walkazo