Talk:Big Boo (boss)

The Big Boos role in games out side of Super Mario World
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't The Big Boo a specific character who only appears in Super Mario World while all of these other roles are just for Big Boos but not The Big Boo

True. Most of the stuff should be deleted.
 * I'm just going to go on a reverting spree than unless somebody can provide proof that all of the Big Boos are the Big Boo


 * Because, I could tell you since you came. Can you tell? There is one Big Boo that was considered as a character. This Big Boo, who is the boss who appeared in Super Mario World. Because something surprises you that The Big Boo is actually the same Big Boo who kept appearing in Super Mario 64 to Super Mario 64 DS, you didn't want to believe it.


 * There is only one who looks identical to that of a Big Boo, who appears as a boss and a rival who causes trouble to Mario himself, and The Big Boo is a leader, who leads the Boos while there were no one, before King Boo or Bigger Boo. And yet, the is currently The Big Boo and King Boo who is known as two characters who actually lead the Boos themselves, and they are known to be affiliated since they live in the same world in Super Mario 64 DS. Unlike King Boo, The Big Boo can't be said to be Bowser's servant since we haven't seen him working for him, yet he can be his ally.


 * A character such as The Big Boo is also known as Big Boo too. It told me that these Big Boo characters are The Big Boo himself since he was always with small Boos alongside him and order them. That's why that is The Big Boo from Super Mario World.--Prince Ludwig 20:15, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Say what? Don't get it.


 * In all of that you provided no source that says that all of those Big Boos were The Big Boo and therefore until you do the info will remain out

The Big Boo (Boss) is also known as Atomic Boo. And he's a character compared to other Big Boo characters. In other languages, he even shares the same name.--Prince Ludwig 20:28, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Huh? Needs the translation template then, or we could merge with Big Boo.
 * If thats true we would need to merge this


 * That's a character, we can't merge a character.--Prince Ludwig 20:41, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
 * If it shares the same Japanese name as it's species it loses it's statues as a character and must be merged

He's also known as Boss Teresa, you know.--Prince Ludwig 20:41, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Two things statues(?) and let's merge.


 * That contradicts what you told me earlier you told me he was known as Atomic Teresa so which is it

Boss Teresa is King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine) Mario Bros.!


 * That's not my fault. The Big Boo is also known as Boss Teresa, I can't help it. Super Mario 64 even had that name for The Big Boo, and I didn't hear it again...maybe it was in Super Mario 64 DS, his lastest appearance. That's a possibility. And I haven't known a Big Boo with Boss Teresa as its japanese name. And talk about chronology, Mario Bros., Super Mario Sunshine takes place after Super Mario 64, even its remake. If that's Boss Teresa, then this King Boo is The Big Boo.--Prince Ludwig 20:51, 18 September 2011 (EDT)


 * OK...  You forgot the !

Ok two things one what game calls The Big Boo Boss Teresa because earlier you told me he was called Atomic Teresa and the second thing none of the things you say prove anything they do not prove that The Big Boo is the same Boo in every game


 * I was searching for his name while I was talking, and I closed the link after that since I found those. First, every japanese name we found are from this site. From New Super Mario Daijiten, from Wikipedia . There are alot more. Even the instruction manual or official site.--Prince Ludwig 21:12, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

Point? Mario Bros.!
 * That source proves my point The Big Boo is just a normal Big Boo in the Japanese version of this game therefore this article should be merged with the Big Boo artice as per the standards passed down through previous proposals


 * LET'S MERGE AGRESSIVELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * We still need a TPP proposal
 * So in 2 weeks there we go! Mario Bros.! 21:10, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

No idea if I understand any of the conversation above, but just for future references, the boss version of Big Boo is not listed in the Super Mario World ending; the English version refers to the regular non-transparent one as The Big "Boo", which is the one that is called Atomic Telesa in the Japanese version. The Big Boo boss is, to my knowledge, not named in the game.--vellidragon 21:11, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

So conjecture. Mario Bros.! 21:12, 18 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Not necessarily a conjecture; Super Mario World strategy guides may provide the boss with a name. I know for a fact that the German one does, at least (it calls him Buu Huu, while the regular enemy is Blue-Buu Huu).--vellidragon 21:15, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

And he could be in another game, there's lots of possibilities he could be his mansion's owner.--Prince Ludwig 21:14, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

http://i.imgur.com/Q6roI.png Mario Bros.! 21:16, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
 * And you needed to post that picture why
 * Because PL got it from wikipedia. Mario Bros.! 21:20, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

And not to mention, he is the same Boo who is always with his regular Boos, he's the kind of person who often do that, especially in Mario Pinball Land (his artwork too).--Prince Ludwig 21:20, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

This has been going on over an hour... Mario Bros.! 21:23, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

So, now that we find out the Big Boo characters are him since they have the same name as this Big Boo, you can let me do my things I wanted to do for Big Boo.--Prince Ludwig 12:04, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

No...

Listen correctly. The Big Boo's character is not about his species but rather about him. Boss characters who are known as Atomic Boo or Boss Teresa is The Big Boo (Boss). I have no intention to have infos about his species rather than the character himself.

The Big Boo is also the one who often has his Boo Buddies with him and he is the first leader of the Boos, before Bigger Boo or King Boo. One of the Big Boos from certain games like Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Party or Yoshi Safari is unknown to be him.--Prince Ludwig 16:28, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Why would boss characters known as Atomic Boo be The Big "Boo" boss when Atomic Telesa is, from what is seen in Super Mario World, the name of the regular enemy and not the boss?--vellidragon 16:37, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
 * There weren't a species called "Big Boo" but the "Big Blue Boo" since Super Mario World, and Super Mario 64 has only The Big Boo called Boss Teresa. Atomic Boo is the same as Atomic Telesa. See for yourself.--Prince Ludwig 17:15, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I did "see for [myself]" and the Japanese ending of Super Mario World shows the non-transparent regular enemy with the name "Atomic Telesa" next to it (this "species" as you call it is called The Big "Boo" in the English ending, not Big Blue Boo). As Atomic Boo is the same as Atomic Telesa, like you say, that means it's the same as the regular enemy and not the boss.--vellidragon 17:55, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I meant, the wiki. I don't know. But some says that the species in SMW is called Big Blue Boo. You can this, or this. The Manual refers The Big Boo as if he is the boss character. In Super Mario Advance 2, The Big Boo (boss) is shown to be white. And The Big Boo is also called Atomic Teresa and Boss Teresa (in Super Mario 64).--Prince Ludwig 19:50, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
 * It doesn't matter if the boss is called The Big "Boo" or who knows what else in English or what colour it is. All I'm saying is that the Japanese Super Mario World ending clearly shows the blue boo and calls it Atomic Telesa and does not show the boss. It may be that it's called Atomic Telesa elsewhere, but without an official source stating that it is, no decision should be based on the fact that it might be.--vellidragon 21:00, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

The Big Boo is actually a guy
The Big Boo is often refered to be a guy and is a guy. How would you expect that this is a girl or a thing? Even Robots are often refered to as "it" but changed to "he" and/or "she". I would quite surprise that the Boo Buddies are his children or that he is really a female.--Prince Ludwig 16:28, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Where is it stated that Big Boo is male? If not stated officially, we are resorted to calling it an "it". Just because it doesn't have a big ribbon or pink body doesn't equate that it isn't a female. 20:02, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Yeah, just because "this", doesn't "that". I've heard all these kinds of "reasons" very often. And nobody confirmed that Big Boo is an "it" neither. That's why we call a character a "he". Does he look like a thing or a female to you? Looks so male.--Prince Ludwig 20:11, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * No, I believe that we have to resort to "it". "It" is used as an indeterminate gender for nonhuman animals. You cannot tell apart a female Boo from a male Boo other than the clothing it may wear. In this case, it isn't wearing anything. 20:15, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Yea'ight. You even call Mario or Luigi an "it" too. I can tell. Just by looking. You know he is called Il Re Boo (The King Boo) in italian? If Big Boo is female, he has to be Queen. In Super Mario Sunshine, The Big Boo became King.--Prince Ludwig 20:24, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * No, Mario and Luigi are male. There are many indicators to this (facial hair, voice, name) and all official sources say that they are male. Big Boo, on the other hand, doesn't show that it is a male or female, and it seems that Nintendo has never confirmed that it is a male. Can you tell me official proof that King Boo (a male because of "king") is Big Boo? 20:29, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

Il Re Boo (Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 boss). It's already written. The Super Mario 64's Big Boo is called Boss Teresa, which the King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is also called Boss Teresa. Can that tell you that he's actually male?--Prince Ludwig 20:33, 19 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Okay, I know that King Anybody has to be a male, but you can't conclude that Boss Teresa in Super Mario 64 is the same as Boss Teresa in Super Mario Sunshine. It sounds stupid, but you're veering into speculation territory, which is something we don't often do in MarioWiki. I still need to know if Big Boo is referred anywhere else as a male, because we have other characters referred as a female in some places, but a male in others, if you know what I mean. :P 20:39, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

I don't. Now, you've find out that is the same Big Boo from Super Mario World to Super Mario 64/DS. And The Big Boo also has his Boo Buddies with him all the time and he's a boss and leader of the Boos. You can know if he's really male in Super Mario 64 too. Even The Big Boo is refered to as male.--Prince Ludwig 21:52, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

Title
This should be The Big Boo (boss) not The Big Boo (Boss) because Yoshi's Island (place) is not Yoshi's Island (Place)! Mario Bros.!


 * So? There is no difference after all.--Prince Ludwig 18:19, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

There's also Ghost (Wario Land II boss) and articles like Spike (enemy), which all have the part in brackets that's not a proper name in lower case. The term "boss" is also not usually capitalised anywhere else unless part of a name. I agree with moving this back to The Big Boo (boss); it was moved here without prior discussion or a good reason anyway.--vellidragon 18:26, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

I agree with Mario Bros.! and vellidragon - it should be moved to (boss), not (Boss), because every article with bracketed words like "series", "enemy", "game" etc. has their initials small, not capital. Since we can't move it back to The Big Boo (boss) because Nintendo64Fan altered the redirect by adding a deletion template on it, that redirect should be deleted so we can move the article back (so that deletion template was supposed to stay there). P.S. Prince Ludwig, just because you created the article, doesn't mean you're the "boss" of it and you want every content of it made your way. Yes, I saw your summaries on the history page.

And it's said it doesn't belong to me once. I only said it once that I made it and once that it's mine. And stop with "just because, doesn't mean" excuse. It's true I want every content of it my way, you saw me doing it? No. It was reverted. Since you came, I can't bring back the info that implies The Big Boo from Super Mario 64 and the rest, that's exactly what the content I want it to have. Yet, I can't do it yet. You've done what you want now, and you should be satisfied. As for the Boss, who cares? It's the same though, despite the B and b.--Prince Ludwig 11:44, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

We do...

Oh yeah. Anyone else than you, Mario Bros.! and Vellidragon?--Prince Ludwig 01:45, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
 * I agree with them
 * I agree with them as well: lowercase is used everywhere else, so for consistency, I'm moving the page. - 23:30, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

Affiliation
How on earth is this character affiliated with Yoshi's Island? ôô And how can anyone be affiliated with a type of building (Ghost House)? Shouldn't it at least mention the specific Ghost House where the character resides?--vellidragon 20:17, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

Don't know... Mario Bros.!

Recurring?
If I remember, the boss only appears in one level. Why is the boss "recurring", when it only appears in 3 games? RandomDSplayer 06:57, 7 January 2014 (EST)


 * I'd surmise that appearing in more than one game (remember, they're counting the e-reader level) is enough to fulfill the conditions for a recurring boss. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 08:41, 7 January 2014 (EST)
 * Ok, but that is only one extra level. Yoshis Story Bobomb.pngmDSplayerYoshis Story Bobomb.png 18:49, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Should be merged with Big Boo...
How is this enemy any different from regular Big Boos? Big Boos were just called "The Big Boo" back then, it doesn't mean it's an individual, it's just a naming quirk (see "The Big Boo" in SMRPG). It's just a Big Boo that you have to fight, it's no different from the other ones aside from that. It's certainly not named differently. They were ALL called "The Big Boo", which was fine back then as you only ever met one at a time, so you could argue it was the same one each time. Not so much anymore. Fizzle (talk) 12:12, 18 January 2014 (EST)
 * Yeah, all of those NES/SNES/N64 game manuals refer to enemies as if they're individual. Making a separate pag because of an obvious stylistic choice is pretty dumb. --Glowsquid (talk) 08:38, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Merge The Big Boo (boss) with Big Boo
There isn't really any reason to keep this separated from the general Big Boo article. As noted above, generic Big Boos are also called "The Big Boos" both in-game and in the manual, which has various enemy descriptions that alternate between singular and plural, individual and species. It also has the same Japanese name as Big Boos. As for its behavior, what about it? Super Mario World has enemies that can behave in different ways, sometimes without any difference in appearance, like Monty Moles which either charge towards Mario or walk forward while hopping.

Proposer: Deadline: November 9, 2015, 23:59

Merge

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Considering the prevalence of larger-than-normal Boos in later titles and the very minimal difference in ability, I'm inclined to merge it.

Keep split

 * 1) I think it's better to let this split, because they have different behavior in the game. Also, Big Boo is bluish and The Big Boo (boss) is more white. The Big Boo also appear in a different game (Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3). For me, it make good reasons to let this split.
 * 2) Per Bazooka Mario in the comments.
 * 3) Considering the difference between this Big Boo and regular Big Boos I think we should keep this article split.
 * 4) - Per all, including Bazooka Mario in the comments.
 * 5) Per all opposers and Bazooka Mario's comment.
 * 6) Didn't expect my concerns to garner support. After waiting for a while for a counterargument, I'm gonna just cast my vote now. Per all and me.

Comments
This Big Boo doesn't freeze and hide when Mario looks at it, and it can also be defeated by throwing blocks at it. Mario and Luigi can also pass through it. Behavioral differences, sure, but you fight only one Big Boo and in a very specific spot in the game. I'm inclined toward keeping them split just on these notable differing traits. 20:45, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Should this be moved to "The Big Boo"?
That is what the guide calls it after all. It's an official distinction. At the very least, it should be moved to "Big Boo (Donut Secret House)" 01:28, 1 August 2017 (CT)
 * The guide calls it both "The Big Boo" and "Big Boo", so the name itself is fine. The identifier should still be changed as there have since been Big Boo bosses in Yoshi's Safari, Mario's Pinball Land, etc. Unless the article is changed to include the other bosses, I'm thinking "Big Boo (Super Mario World boss)" or "Big Boo (Donut Secret House boss)" (due the non-boss Big Boo also present in the course). LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:55, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

Italian name
From which source did you get the Italian name? In the Italian manual the name is in English.--Sonic98 (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2018 (EDT)
 * Looks like it was added in 2011 by a user who unfortunately isn't active anymore. From what I've found, it looks like "Re Boo" is the Italian name for the Big Boos in Super Mario 64, which used to be covered on this page when that name was added. Niiue (talk) 08:53, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

State of this article
I'm curious as to why the enemy Big Boo gets the part in the main article while this gets anecdotally tacked on as a separate page. What gives the enemy more merit than the boss to be on the main Big Boo page? Sure, Big Boos appear commonly as enemies in later games....but in the Super Mario series, Big Boos reappeared as bosses before they did as enemies. And not even as a differently-acting enemy, SMA4 came out long before NSMBW. Heck, in the Mario franchise as a whole, a singular boss Big Boo appeared first next in Yoshi's Safari. What I'm saying ultimately amounts to why is the enemy given more priority than the boss for SMW? It appears more in the game? That's to be expected given the role, so that really doesn't work. Really, though, they're differently-acting versions of the same thing with the same name. And that thing about the different colors also isn't true, the boss is more transparent but uses the same palette. I think they can share the main article, just in different paragraphs. Admittedly, there aren't a lot of cases where an enemy appears as a differently-acting boss in this franchise (the only other examples I can think of offhand is Prince Froggy who at least has a different English name, with Mask Gate's situation being comparable), but I think this should work. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:04, November 20, 2019 (EST)
 * It makes perfect sense to me, the Big Boo article is for the species. As for whether they should share a page or not, I have no strong feelings either way at this time. -- 19:18, November 20, 2019 (EST)
 * But the Big Boo article has multiple individuals on it (Safari, Pinball Land, Galaxy 2, Adventures, LMDM, TTYD, Party games...) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:23, November 20, 2019 (EST)
 * Nevermind, I misread your comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding. -- 19:35, November 20, 2019 (EST)
 * OK, minor detail amending, there actually was a single enemy Big Boo in SMA4. But there were two instances of a boss Big Boo, so it was still the more "important" version in that case, if we're going by "amount of each in game" as a metric for that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:14, November 30, 2019 (EST)
 * I think the pages should be merged. Why does this particular Big Boo get more special treatment than say, the one from Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon? Polterpup (talk) 14:30, December 22, 2019 (EST)
 * The one from Dark Moon is far more generic than this one. But if I'm going to be honest, that one deserves its own page, too. In that case, this page should be renamed to specify that this is about the one from Super Mario World. - AwdryFan1997 (talk) 13:09, January 8, 2021 (EST)

Rename
It would be ten times easier if it would be called "The Big Boo" since basically all the links to this page still use that name. Moreover, it gets rid of the specification "(boss)" currently used and marks a bigger difference between Big Boos and this boss. 1JUST1 (talk) 14:50, January 5, 2021 (EST)

Merge to Big Boo part Too
6 1/2 years ago, back when we had a separate page for the Paper Mario appearances of Big Boo, this page failed to merge, partially due to some false information. I'm gonna throw this out of the way right now, the alleged "color difference" is straight-up false; they use the same palette, with the boss being on the Mode 7 layer with translucency applied, causing it to look as though it changes shades depending on how transparent it's set to be. Anyways, with the seeming exception of Mario Mania (which also splits actual color variations), all guidebooks treat these two interchangeably, with the manual even implying all the Big Boos in the game are the same individual. Additionally, another point I brought up above: until New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Big Boos were almost exclusively used as bosses for quite a while in the Mario franchise (SM64, TTYD, MPL, etc), so why should the enemy have the priority? Especially in regards to SMA4, where this version outnumbers the generic enemy two to one?

Some of you may be wondering how I plan on dealing with the total difference in behavior. Short answer: same page, same section, separate paragraph. Easy!

Proposer: Deadline: May 11, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Per
 * 2) Unlike the drunkard king, which has more than enough reason to be exempt from a merge, this guy is literally just a enlarged boo with the same name as the other big boos. Strongly support.
 * 3) Yeah, I thought about this one on the Discord server. While the Big Boo bosses sometimes have an exclusive Japanese name, it is also sometimes shared with the Big Boo enemies, I feel it's one of those special cases where a subject has more than one Japanese name.
 * 4) With the boss identifier, this page really should've been all or nothing.

Comments
@Swallow Outside of the mention of "Big Blue Boo" in the trivia section, what source material in what language considers this guy a separate thing from normal Big Boos?
 * I'm removing my vote for now since it was an assumption, but I'm still unsure which to do. 07:43, April 27, 2022 (EDT)

Again, the reason this got split was due to pretty notable behavioral differences and a scripted event in one specific location, as well as a particular method for defeating. This is on top of other Big Boos that do appear in the game and act similar to normal Boos. Why it's more "notable" than Big Boos in Super Mario 64? Well several Big Boos in that game don't have a boss-like event for it, no music, and they act similar to the Boos except it takes more hits to defeat. The palette part was generally an aside. Either way I can see whatever works so I'm not really in favor or oppose, I'm not entirely convinced either way.