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Pie for Everyone. Pie for EVERYONE. Pie. For. ALL.
I know what you're expecting. It's the first of April, I know many of you hope for one of Ghost Jam's little pie stories. I'm sorry to tell you this, but...this isn't going to be one. Or at least not precisely. If you've jumped straight to this paragraph and didn't look at the proposal title, I'd suggest maybe scrolling down to something else that needs voting on. This is your last chance. Don't look up, don't read on, don't vote. Just either scroll on quickly or close your browser tab. My name is Nae. I'm Ghost Jam's partner. You might have noticed his absence the last several weeks. While that in of itself isn't odd behavior for him, he's still normally home at least some of the time. But I haven't seen him either. I was starting to worry, so I poked through his study. I knew this wasn't a good idea. It's an unspoken rule that the untrained don't mess with tools from the unknown. On his desk was a dark leather case with a few files inside. There were several things about this that were strange. Firstly, the case was open. It might be difficult to understand why this is odd, but if you live with someone who dabbles in the ethereal enough, you begin to learn that nothing stays open long. Secondly, the contents appeared be a combination of both paper documents and holo-constructs from a datascape. Thirdly...well, the fact that it was a holo-construct from the infosphere in analog space. That requires either an enormous source of magic or a supreme act of mechanical engineering. But...it was just sitting there, like any old stack of papers. I had to look. Forgive me, I had to look. It's too late now, by the way. You can't leave, you can't scroll on. All roads will lead back here. As many of you know, Ghost Jam is one of various notable talents thaumaturgical study that find employ in the Infosphere. I knew I shouldn't have looked, he's warned me before that the untrained shouldn't mess with the occult, but I was just so worried. I can only hope that you...and so we're clear, when I say you, I don't mean that in the general, open sense, I'm speaking specifically to you, the one reading this...are strong enough to withstand what is to come. Otherwise we're all in a lot of trouble. The following is the content of the file I found. I really am sorry for this. But I have to share it. And now that you've come this far, you have to read it. There is no choice for either of us now.

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Anomaly #0103-Wiki Notes - September 2007 This isn't going to read like my normal reports. Normally, I attempt to list the facts of my discovery, rate the danger level and jot down how I plan to handle the problem, perhaps going into more details about collaborations with other thaumaturgical researchers. And trust me when I say, in the days since Porplemontage first gave me access to the datascape, I've discovered several scary...let's call them monsters...down here. But this one is different. This is something big, that broke in from the Infoshpere outside of our little Wiki bubble and began to fester under the weight of information we've piled on over the years. I'm not yet sure where or when it got in, but dealing with it is the first problem to be solved, stopping the spread will be the next.

This...effect, I guess would be the way to think of it, is a meme of sorts that effects users who take on the title of editor, either granted by others or taken by personal choice, and encourages them to add or otherwise embellish false information articles in a given Wiki's database. In the first stages, this is nearly indistinguishable from standard 'new editor' behavior. As the meme takes hold, however, this escalates into anger and destructive behavior. In several cases I've observed, effected users will continue to add false information and argue the point well past a reasonable point. Eventually, and I don't believe this part is an effect of the meme, rather a result of general human frustration, users will begin to not engage effected users and allow the changes they have forced to stay. The transition between these two states seems to happen fairly quickly and is highly contagious. You see, the third stage starts as soon as the changes made by effected users is no longer disputed. At this point, the article becomes an instance of the meme and is capable to spreading it to others. Infection happens instantaneously to anyone who reads the article. User infected with the meme in this way jump directly to the second stage of infection. Really, the contagious part is what makes this thing so scary. I've seen it jump across a few users all ready, but it seems to be...growing, if that makes sense, with each person. I fear that if this isn't gotten under control soon, it could grow large enough to engulf entire userbases in a matter of minutes. I'll see what I can come up with.

Notes - October 2007 I've learned more about this meme, which I'm now calling an infohazzard after some consultation with Foundation researchers. It acts on people knowing about it. Knowing what it does, what it is, causes a person to act out in the way described in my previously submitted notes. However, an knowing about it is only the first part. The second part is taking it seriously. Most individuals take what is given to them at face value and so fall subject to the infohazzards effect. The key, I think, is identifying when the infohazzard is in effect and then finding a way to make people think it's a joke and not worth engaging with.

Notes - November 2007 I think...we've done it. Took some collaboration with some of the other wikis talents, but I believe we have the infohazzard contained and a vaccine being spread. Basically, I created an "serious" proposal with the intent of luring in the infection (about pies, of all things), which I then played off like a joke, the seriousness of the idea being the joke. Once I had confirmed infection (Son of Sons will be missed.....), a framework of paracode created by Wayoshi was set up to act as a kind of cage on the Infosphere side. The cage was then seeded by Walkazo with breed of healing flower she specifically crafted for our needs. While on the analog plane, I tossed a net of thaumaturgical energies around the database entry. In effect, we've locked it down to one place, and, via Walkazo's plants, created a way to spread the 'anti-meme' to anyone who reads the entry. We'll monitor it, but....I think we've got this under control for now.

Note - April 2014 I've been away from the wiki proper for some time now, so I thought it a good idea to check in on the 'cage'. For lack of a less complicated and more precise way to explain this, the cage needed some maintenance. Sadly, Wayoshi has long since left us and we don't any anyone else on hand with the same level of skill in paracode to work out improvements to the cages framework. It took some doing, but I believe the shielding magic Walkazo had learned once assuming her 'Kazo form mixed with stronger 'ropes' in my thaumaturgical net, the framework should hold up. We had to create another joke proposal, however, to make the cage bigger. We'll need to find a new solution, though.

Note - April 2015 We've had to expand the cage again. It's becoming too much and the Walkazo's vaccine is becoming less effective. I've taken my 'net' and anchored it on the analog plane, in the form of, well, forms. I feel rather proud of myself on this one, since the analog plane operates on a different set of physics, so long as the documents stay were I put them, a large chunk of the infection will stay put. Given these additions, we agree that the cage should hold, as is, for at least a few more years. We'll be taking the time to come up something better. We have to.

Notes - The Age of Pies Pies. Pies. Pies. PIES. PIES. P.I.E.S. Damn it, damn it, hold on. Ok, here's the deal. The infection has grown too strong to touch, but not strong enough to break the cage. I've had people contacting me near constantly for years with 'new joke ideas' for further pie proposals and the bound document in my office has become a spread vector. Just seeing it compels a person to read it and reading it causes full infection and with a completely new symptom to needing to spread it. I'd rather not pie about how I know about that pie, if you see what I'm pie-ing. Crap, this is hard to resist. I'm going to lock this thing up and hope the physical lock holds. If anyone is reading this document, know this: You're screwed. This version of the infection is not like the one you just read about this. This one can't be ignored or make a joke of. It'll spread and you will spread it. However, and this kills me to say, I've come up with the only counter measure I could think of. I've laced this paragraph with a counter-meme or sorts. You'll be compelled to post this to the proposals page first. With any luck, the measures we set up will slow the infection enough to set off the security alarms and get someone on the job.

Pie help you all.

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So there you have it. I can already feel the urge to spread this to other places tapering off...but it's still there. Try to resist, that's my only advice. For the love of Pie, you have to. PIE.

Proposer: Proposed Deadline: When the deed is done, by the will of PIE.

Support

 * 1) Pie
 * 2) - I WANT PIE!
 * 3) - Pie is the best food ever. Anybody who says otherwise is wrong. :)
 * 4) i demand pie

SUPPORT

 * 1) PIE

S.U.P.P.O.R.T

 * 1) P.I.E.

Praises for the Word of Pie

 * 1) PRAISE THE PIE
 * 2) – You got me at the word 'Pie'.

Remove the above pie proposal
The above, because pie is not fly. Pizza beatsya. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:51, 1 April 2018 (EDT) Proposer: Doc von Schmeltwick Deadline: When the pie hits your eye, like the moon in the sky.

I Support This

 * 1) Pai must dai
 * 2) There is no need to enforce such a lousy regulation upon other users. Vandalism is vandalism! You can't stop it.

Comments
Note: Subjects who opposed the P.I.E. proposal were later terminated upon discovery that they had accessed prohibited files in the database only designated to supreme-class personnel. They were later un-redacted when the Supreme Thwomp Overlords devoured the souls of the supreme-class personnel for not delivering them their feather duster tribute. The proposer was then resurrected in the form of.

Add a section to Naming regarding technical restrictions
I'm surprised no one has talked in depth about this yet. Sure, we don't have that many technically restricted names, but we still have some, so I think we should set in stone a policy for these titles. Take the castle levels from Super Mario World as an example. "#1 Iggy's Castle" is located at "Iggy's Castle" rather than "1 Iggy's Castle"; while the former title is fine, it might still cause some initial confusion for the newer readers. Basically, what I'm proposing is that we start officially use closely-matched titles for subjects if the correct title is technically restricted.

A draft of the proposed text can be found here.

Also, if you're wondering, Porplemontage green-lighted this proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: April 5, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) Sounds good to me! Per proposal.
 * 7) Considering that we can't use the actual name, the closest match surely makes sense.
 * 8) Per all, this just seems like the sensible thing to do anyway.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) The proposal is about allowing as many characters in the original title as possible, if the suggested title has technical issues. When such a case occurs, use the   MediaWiki Magic Word to correct the title.   in URLs are used for linking to headers in a page name, like this example. Even forcing URL encoding brings up an error.  I couldn't get MediaWiki to parse this normally, so a forced URL is used to demonstrate.

Comments
So if this succeeds, what will happen to the Iggy's Castle article? (Also, remind me for when I start my own franchise, to name a character "<>'' ," symbols included, just to mess with the ensuing wiki.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
 * It'll be moved to "1 Iggy's Castle", with the display title unchanged so it still shows the proper title. MediaWiki doesn't like certain symbols in page titles, so have fun with that hypothetical wiki if it comes ;) 11:09, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Just thought about it but how about a notice template for such pages? -- 17:00, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
 * That's not needed unless even cannot display the correct title.  10:56, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Give the seven boss Tikis from DKCR their own articles
Because the rest of their official names have just been discovered in a datamine of the original game.

Proposer: Deadline: April 5, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Need I say more?
 * 2) These guys are like the Seven Notorious Koopalings.  Each one not only has a name, but is also a character and a boss.  It’s not quite like Gary or Johnson (whose articles SHOULD be deleted) or even the Sammer Guys.  The Tikis are characters—major boss characters at that, and not just minor NPCs.  One of them, Kalimba, even has a Smash 4 trophy.  And the fact that the Tikis only appear in a single DK game should not stop us from giving them articles.

Oppose

 * 1) A name, in and of itself, is not enough to substantiate having separate articles (see: List of Sammer Guys). Is there another reason they should have articles?
 * 2) - Per Time Turner. They may all have a name, but they aren't diverse enough (they all do the exact same thing) to justify individual articles.
 * 3) Per Time Turner.
 * 4) Per all. Plus, they're not even fought normally at all, which that case would guarantee articles.

Comments
I forgot to mention, but in order, they're called: Kalimba, Maraca Gang, Gong-Oh, Banjo Bottom, Wacky Pipes, Xylobone, and Cordian. BooDestroyer (talk) 18:07, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

@YoshiFlutterJump They are different from the Koopalings in that the Koopalings are: also, why should Gary or Johnson not have articles? They deserve articles as much as Otto or Heronicus. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * A: Bosses themselves
 * B: Characters with actual personality
 * Let me tell you one thing. The Seven Notorious Koopalings (that’s what Minion Quest calls them) hardly had personalities before Paper Jam (to the extent of having NO dialogue), and we had articles for them long before then.  While the Tikis are not bosses, they possess bosses and are key to the story.  As for your second point...minor NPCs shouldn’t get articles just because they have names.  The Tikis are not minor, though. - 23:18, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Even just regarding Super Mario Bros. 3, the Koopalings had enough diversity to justify their own articles if the wiki was around then. They each had the same role, but different names and abilities. Regarding the SMB3 cartoon as well, they also had different personalities. The same cannot be said for these Tikis.
 * Gary and Johnson, according to Minor NPCs, their articles are valid. 23:23, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Saying the Koopalings didn't have personalities before Paper Jam is outright wrong, remember their individual speech balloons in the SMB3 manual? The depictions in the cartoons and comics? Their pre-battle behavior in NSMBW? The Tikis all act exactly the same, and are only ever on screen for like 5 seconds each, and have no dialog. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:27, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

I fail to see how character personalities is any sort of viable argument against article creation. I can get on board with their extremely minor role and their appearance, but not their personality. 00:54, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

I should point out one thing: we don’t even have an article for them as a group. Tiki Tak Tribe just covers every enemy in the game, and is not devoted to the boss Tikis. At the very least, we need an article for them as a group. - 13:19, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Create administrative position of SUPREME
I think it’s time to rethink the balance of power on this wiki. The administrative staff does not hold enough power. Sure, they can delete pages, block users, and such. But they can’t control each individual user. And control is the key.

Likewise, the ordinary users have far too much power. All on their own, they make huge changes to pages and even the wiki as a whole, simply because it’s something the majority agrees on—and sometimes changes are made outright without any consultation at all! (The moving of Off Wave to Off Waves is a prime example. Such an act really should have been discussed at the very least!)

Therefore, I propose that a new position be established: SUPREME (  S uper- U ltimate  P residing  R uler of the  E ntire  M arioWiki  E mpire ). I also propose that I myself be made first SUPREME, of which there is only one of at a time. This would give me complete control over everything wiki-related. I would have access to the source code, for one thing, and be able to control what privileges any given user has. I believe I am fully qualified for this great responsibility. After all, I decided a long time ago that I was admin material. And who better to decide who’s admin material than the future SUPREME ?

What cause do you have to support this radical plan? Well, think about it. You would no longer have to shoulder the responsibilities of making your own decisions! You could live the Mario-related part of your life in total IQ-dropping bliss! Still skeptical? Don’t worry. Every person who supports me will receive…(drum roll please)…

A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF WAFFLES!

And not just any waffles! Pick any topping! Any flavor! Strawberries! Cheesecake! Syrup! Chocolate! Charcoal! And dare I suggest it… FAWFUL WAFFLES !!!

Of course, I would recognize all who supported me through my years on the wiki. Alex95, for example, would be promoted to position of Captain of the Guard. As a Patroller, he has proven to be quite adept at apprehending vandals. Yoshi the SSM would become Chief Secretary and Treasurer, and Luigi 64DD’s status as a Critic Corner writer would make him a valuable Critical Analyzer and Advisor. Porplemontage, of course, would be given the option either to retire with a large severance package (of waffles), or stay on as Prime Minister, with access to source code and semi-limited control over users.

Of course, this new system may take some getting used to. But you’ll find that sacrificing every bit of freedom and individuality you have was the best decision you ever made! And when you see me at my coronation, my green-and-black crown being lowered onto my electrified head, you’ll think, “I did this! I supported Ultimate Mr. L! I saved the Super Mario Wiki!”

If you want to think at all, that is.

NOTE:  If you or a user you know happens to be a pig, it’s only fair to warn you that not only are pigs not tolerated in the New MarioWiki Empire, they are also Warned, Blocked, Baconized, and mixed in with waffles.

Proposer: Deadline: April 14, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) How can anyone say no to a ruler like me? (Or to waffles)

Oppose

 * 1) - Ze pigs must eat ze waffles. Zat is ze balance of ze nature, just as ze Pinky Kong is ze Stinky Kong.
 * 2)  - I prefer pancakes. :/

Comments
I disagree with the flagrant misuse of the word "supreme" in this proposal, as it will anger our Supreme Thwomp Overlords. As demonstrated by exhibit QRTN (nicknamed "Quarantine"), Thwomps have the secret ability to devour souls if displeased, and can only be appeased with a payment of ten coins down, and a coin a minute, or a substitute payment of ten billion feather dusters. That being said, there is still the fact that waffles are awful, Fawful wants falafel. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:50, 1 April 2018 (EDT) 