Talk:Paper Mario: Color Splash bestiary

Quotes from Shelled Enemies Flipped by POW Block
As I was playing Paper Mario: Color Splash a while back, I noticed that some enemies such as Spinies, Spike Tops, and the like, have other lines of dialog that they use when they get flipped onto their backs when a POW Block card is used. Should another category on dialog be created for this, or would it still classify as if it were in its shell?296lmn20 (talk) 15:42, 24 December 2016 (EST)296lmn20
 * Good observation. We can call those "Flipped".-- 18:21, 24 December 2016 (EST)

Missing enemies
I know that this bestiary is still under construction, but I just want to point out that both the Fire Bro 8-Stack and the Gold Shy Guy are not listed on it. -- 18:09, 5 February 2017 (EST)
 * My bad. Not wanting to replay the game myself quite yet, I watched the Mario Party Legacy play through to put the list together. When/where is the earliest you encounter these two enemies?-- 09:44, 6 February 2017 (EST)
 * Well, the thing is, I haven't reached far enough yet, and I watched Mario Party Legacy as a way to get all the quotes I found. So I have no idea either, I just know they exist. I will try to figure out soon, though. -- 14:59, 6 February 2017 (EST)
 * OK, I just learned Gold Shy Guys appear in Fort Cobalt, near where Silver Shy Guys are found. -- 15:11, 6 February 2017 (EST)

I found out that Gold Shy Guys also appear during Wendy's battle, but I can not find any sources with the Fire Bro 8-Stack on them at all. Also, I learned that the Fuzzy Stack appears in Redpepper Volcano, not just Toad Trainworks. -- 20:58, 6 February 2017 (EST)
 * I'll add in the Gold Shy Guy after the Silver Shy Guy, but I can't add the Fire Bro 8-Stack until I know where it belongs on the list. Frankly, I didn't even know they were in the game (or I may have completely forgotten).-- 14:19, 9 February 2017 (EST)
 * I have been searching everywhere I can find for information about Fire Bro 8-Stacks, but I can't find anything. I'm starting to wonder if they should be removed from the enemy list on the Paper Mario: Color Splash page until we find proof that they exist. -- 15:11, 9 February 2017 (EST)

I finally found Fire Bro 8-Stacks! They appear in Redpepper Volcano. -- 20:36, 10 March 2017 (EST)
 * I went ahead and added them myself so that I can create a page on them. -- 20:18, 13 March 2017 (EDT)

What is the source of the stats?
Many of the stats reported here are frequently corrected, which makes me wonder about their reliabity. Since I potentially have the access to these data too, could someone point me to the source of these stats so I can check it and, in case, correct it?--Mister Wu (talk) 06:14, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * It appears that is basing the attack power on how much damage the enemies do to him in-game. He even said here that he blocks some attacks, so some of them are unreliable. -- 09:01, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm not talking of course about the corrected values (that come from playing the game and are thus correct), but about the values that were before, including HP and defense.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:16, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * added the original values. -- 10:19, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Thanks! The user is inactive now, though. We should try to track down the public source, if it is a thing; if the attack values are indeed wrong (and many of them are, judging by the corrections), the other values might be as well.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:09, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * I have been searching, and I cannot find any public source that talks about the original values. In fact, the only source that I can find that mentions enemy stats is a forum, and no one on there seems to know how to find enemy defense or health stats. Btw, sorry about earlier, I misread your first comment and thought it said that the corrections were the unreliable stats. -- 19:31, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * You know, I actually asked him about the HP values months back and he claimed that he "carefully tested how much damage was done" without giving much confirmation or a thorough explanation when I asked further about the matter. --
 * Thanks, that is helpful information. At least we now know where the stats came from. -- 21:00, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Thanks! Well, at least we now know that the source is direct experiments rather than code, which is important as a wrongly interpreted stat would have meant a need to change all values of said stat. Of course, the best thing would be finding the actual values from the code, I'll try to see what I can do, but this time the data is more difficult to read than expected.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:44, 30 March 2017 (EDT)

Should I list the sad Red Shy Guy in Mossrock Theater?
I think I should, because I'm not sure if the sad Red Shy Guy is listed, but it does have a different idle. It's like the one next to the dressing room in The Golden Coliseum, but hanging down a trapeze in the fourth area in Mossrock Theater after rescuing Red Toad rescue squaddie #48, optionally making it fall over. I mean, should this be listed on the bestiary or not? Because it says, "Red Shy Guy" as it's battle name. (To me, it should've been called "Sad Guy".)

User talk:MadBird82 23:01, 8 May 2017 (EDT)