MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code. Signing with the signature code (~) is not allowed due to technical issues.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history).

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 28 2024 (EDT)

New Features
''None at the moment.

Trouble Center

 * Too sporadically used: basically on average once a month
 * Most of the uses are incorrect – user or syntax related instead of articles
 * The troubles are rarely solved
 * Users usually ask directly on user talk and get a faster solution that way, because watchlist notification < user talk notification

Proposer: Deadline: October 11, 2008, 20:00

Put it to Rest

 * 1) – hope the bulleted list helps convince others
 * 2) - I've been thinking about this for a long time. I hardly see anyone ever use it, and when they do, their trouble(s) are never answered. Most people ask a Sysop or experienced member on his/her talk page more commonly, as Wayoshi said. People are more apt to get a fast response that way, than with a dead trouble center. I for one never used it; I always asked someone else for help, as many others have done with me.
 * 3) Per all
 * 4) - Per St00by. Holy crap I also agree with Wayoshi :O (for the first time :O)
 * 5) Per all. It hasn't been used in months.
 * Per Wayo. We've had this before, and decided to try a comeback. There was no comeback, so I think it's finally time to bury it.
 * 1) - Its useless. As already stated, its hardly used anymore; and when any user puts a question up; it's hardly answered.
 * 2) Per all, it definetly is easier to use user talk.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Booster - I sometimes forget that it even exists. Anyways, it's been pretty useless for over a year.
 * 5) - Ay. Let's be rid of it.
 * 6) - I barely knew it existed until this proposal. 0_o
 * 7) - Per all. In the year I've been here, I've never seen it used. Of course, once we do delete it, someone's gonna think of a use for it, but... :P
 * 8) - Let's delete it, but we should make it clear to new users that they can ask for help on the Main Page talk if they don't know any users to ask.
 * 9) Per all. It's nothing but a waste of space. No one uses it, so it's time to let it go.
 * 10) Per all who shall tear it down! (not really though, XD)
 * 11) - Per all. If people need help but don't know who to ask specifically, the Main Page talk and/or MarioWiki_talk:FAQ should be enough to take care of them.
 * 12) - Per all. I looked at it once ages ago and noticed its lack of action and accuracy, so yeah.
 * 13) - Per Stooben Rooben

Keep it Running

 * 1) - Really bad idea. It's like you don't care about newbies.

Comments

 * Even though all of the above is true, It's still pretty useful.
 * Like I said in my post, new users should post concerns on this page or alert one of the sysops - that's what we're here for.
 * Or if you need help with something else, you can always contact one of us.
 * We even mention that on the welcome template, so we actually do care about new users.
 * Yeah. Like everyone said, people rarely respond to to the trouble center. We're HELPING newbies.

Merge Goomba with bellhop goomba
I feel we should merge bellhop goombas with regular goombas Because they are just goombas in bellhop suits also They are the same thing just differnt looks.

Proposer: Deadline: October 11, 2008, 20:00

Merge

 * 1) Per what i said.
 * 2) Per Iggy. There's not really any basic proof they're any different, so merge it is. EDIT:See below proposal. :P

Keep Separate

 * No, they are considered a sub-species of Goomba's.
 * 1) - Per S-Y. Plus, they are officially named.
 * 2) Per S-Y! No just no. There not Goomba there a sub-species like S-Y said.
 * 3) - Per S-Y. They're different from regular Goombas and are a different species (but, rather called "sub-species"; as said by PGB above). While they act like a Goomba; and attack like a Goomba; they are not the regular Goomba.
 * 4) - Per all. Plus, this would requie merging Rhinestone Goombas, and perhaps other obscure Hotel Mario sub-species that have slipped my mind...
 * 5) - I'm not sure why they should be merged and not Pirate Goombas, so it makes me worried that this is either about limiting Hotel Mario content or will lead to limiting content rather than merging alternately dressed Goombas.
 * 6) Booster - Per all. Bellhop Goomba is a Bellhop Goomba.
 * 7) - They are officially named and look different from the ordinary Goombas. They might act like the normal Goombas, but a lot of enemies have similar patterns.
 * 8) - Per All.
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) WTFudge!? per all.

Comments
Think about it guys we merged Pumpkin Heads with goombas and there way differnt so we should merge bellhop goombas because they are not any differnt from regular goombas. -
 * Pumpkin heads weren't officially-named though.
 * Per St00by. If it isn't official, then they don't have an article about it. And just a tip, try to outline your proposal with more details instead of just two simple sentences. For Example, St00by's proposal has many details and whatnot in it.

As far as I know, you can't remove the "Protection" of the Bellhop Goombas, unlike the Pumpkin head. Just throwing that out.
 * Oh well that was kinda embarrasing, not signing my comment just like that :o. And Per Blitz
 * Hey Grapes, whos this Y-S guy? he sounds pretty neat. I wanna meet him :D
 * ROFL...

Oh crud I didn't notice that till nao. (ROFL...LOL) XD Sry 'bout that I'll fix it.
 * lol np


 * Okay I fixed it. :p

Iggykoopa Wait so your tellling me bellhop goombas are a sub species when they act the same and are just goombas in hotel outfits. But the pumpkin heads are not a sub species well there are no simularets beetween goombas and pupkin heads also one hit for bellhop goombas and goombas while it takes two for pumpkin heads

Um exscuse me, but umm pumpkin heads are Goombas. If you star spin them, the pumkin breaks revealing a regular Goomba. (See Talk:Pumpkin Head)

Iggykoopa, instead of putting your name before your message, please put this at the end of your message:  . Also please post new comments at the bottom. Thanks!

Iggy, just to clarify, "sub-species" is just a fan word used to describe an enemy or species that is obviously a modification of another species. For example, Paragoombas are obviously the developers referencing back to Goombas and Paratroopas. Honestly, we use it way too much, and as I can tell from your confusion, it really is misleading. "Associated Enemies" would be a better, albeit vaguer, term.

Wait so your telling me the bellhop goombas are sub sprcies when on the page you say there is no difference but the pumpkin head goombas are not just becayuse they were never named

Um please sigh your comments. Thanks!

Ok just to set the record straghit i do not want to merge rhinestone goombas with regular goombas and the reason being they are much faster then regular goombas also they act differnt.

To your point Princess Grapes Butterfly think of this if you hit a winged goomba does it become a regular goomba yes but does that mean they should be merged no so by that logic we should un merge pumpkin head goombas and regualr goombas.
 * Please try to use more full stops in your comments so they are easier to read, Iggykoopa. Thanks.

Uh they are merge.
 * What?

Spliting goombas and pumpkin Head goombas.
I feel we sould unmerge goombas and pumpkin head goombas because they are differnt from regular goombas For two reasons first they look differnt and they are stronger and second on the whole if you star spin them they become regular goombas that is true but think of this if you hit a winged goomba it becomes a regular goomba but do we merge it with regular goombas no.

Proposer: Deadline: October 12, 2008, 15:00

Unmerge

 * 1) Per what i said.

Stay merged

 * 1) - We merged them because Nintendo themselves never separated Pumpkin Heads from Goombas - that was our own speculative decision.  However, the other Goombas have specifically been given official names, and we feel that we should respect Nintendo's decision by giving separate articles to subjects with different names except when two subjects are way too similar (ie two enemies that always work together, for example)
 * 2) - Per Stumpers. They were never officially named, thus they were merged. Pumpkin Goomba is not a Pumpkin Goomba – it is just a Goomba.
 * 3) - Look, they were named officially, if you didn't read the page, or our comments on your other proposal. Also Per Stumpers.
 * 4) Per all! They're just Goombas with head armor! It doesn't change there species.
 * 5) - Per Stumpers. (he always makes good points)
 * 6) - Per Stumpers. I mean, we don't have an article for SMG's helmeted Goombas, now, do we?

Comments
Like i said if you jump on a winged goomba they become regular goombas but do we merge them no so with that logic we should not merge regular goombas and pumpkin head goombas. Iggykoopa

But think of this those fish things you Call ???? Have there own page when one is just a blurp with a sharkfin also there are some you merged even with the fact that they have names like pat-the-bats. Iggykoopa

Ok but on that point they never called them goombas so they should just be called pumpkin head goombas Iggykoopa

Heres just a tip Iggy, get some facts about what your going to write a proposal about, create it in a proffesionally looking way (eg: using full stops, adding puncuation, grammer, etc.) so we can get more detail on what your implying too. You should get to know what your going to propose about before writing a proposal. Nothing personal, just a tip. Lol I just noticed, everyone whos opposing starts with an "S". And Btw Iggykoopa, asked for you to follow the proposal rules, and use    instead of signing it with just Iggykoopa. So I ask nicely to sign it with the proper format, please. Thanks.

Ok first of all super-Yoshi Dont tell me what i should and should not do i made this proposal and to say i do not know what im talking about well screw you. Also Think of this your whole thing on nintendo never named them is funny because why should that matter i mean because think about it bellhop goombas were never in a nintendo game There for there not nintendo charecters.
 * Bellhop Goombas were in Hotel Mario, a NINTENDO game. And your banned now. Come say "Screw you" to my face next time, k? Ill deal with it.
 * Aww man, I was about to chastize him (have I ever mentioned how I hate Edit Conflicts?)... Anyway, Nintendo didn't actually make Hotel Mario, but it's still a Mario game and everything in it is as official as Mario himself. And in response to Iggy's other arguments: we have an article for ???? because that's what the Blurp with a sharkfin on it's back is called in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, whereas "Pumpkin Goomba" was pure conjecture. And as for Pat the Bats, it doesn't matter how silly the name is, it's still their name; they're still valid enemies. -

The Pumpkin heads can have their protections removed and be turned into normal Goombas, you might say the same about the Para-Goombas, but they appeared in a dozen of games, and they have an actual name. --Blitzwing 06:47, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Changes
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Miscellaneous
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