User talk:Archivist Toadette/Archive 2

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Scrap articles
If you're planning to create articles for the Sticker Star scraps, I would suggest going down a similar path to that of the Odyssey missions and only create articles for the ones that Mario picks up at one location (and the "You got the [scrap]!" prompt pops up) and places in another. Scraps that Mario simply peels off, keeps in his scrapbook for a brief moment before putting it back on in the correct orientation at the same spot are not worth making pages for. 01:38, 23 January 2018 (EST)


 * I don't know if you missed this or anything, but I'd like to draw your attention to my post here. At the very least a talk page discussion on this should be held first. 01:48, 29 March 2018 (EDT)


 * It seemed to me though that you're planning to create articles for all of them, judging by the links you added and kept on the sticker page and, not to mention the Decalburg Fountain falls under the kind of scraps I advised against creating articles for. Since others might have different points, it's always a good idea to get some consensus (or even start a proposal if it's a major change or the opinions are divided enough) before going ahead with something like this, like, "Should the scraps get articles, and if so, which ones?" 09:31, 29 March 2018 (EDT)


 * One thing at a time. Talk it out first.


 * Come to think of it, I don't even know why the scraps are on the same page since they're not stickers. Either way, I don't think a separate page for paperised scraps is necessary if they can be summarised on the main list itself. 08:24, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

M+R Buttons
It's perfectly fine to use the button images and information from the manual, considering the information would be more official than what we can provide on our own. It would also be more accurate and represents the in game material. 17:06, 23 January 2018 (EST)
 * If there's an error in the description, it can be noted, but otherwise there isn't a need to have both.
 * These buttons aren't going to be used on every page, just the Mario + Rabbids. Considering that, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be there (the images we have for the Switch controls need some help, anyway). 17:18, 23 January 2018 (EST)
 * Easier, sure, but where's the fun in that? Perhaps I'll take it up with the others then, as you're right, there is no policy for this. 17:43, 23 January 2018 (EST)
 * If we have access to the official in-game button graphics, I don't see anything wrong with using them. 02:02, 24 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Restoration
That's reserved for functions and features that would be worth keeping around for future reference. I don't see the use in keeping this empty category for the sake of leaving the notice on it. It's not really "abandoned" altogether, either; just replaced with Category:To be deleted. 21:20, 25 January 2018 (EST)

Not really a reference? This looks similar.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/f/fb/Homing_Thistle2.png  Music Video 123  (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2018 (EST)


 * Spherical cacti with flowers on them exist in the real world, so it's just a coincidence. 01:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Re:Thanks
It's no big thing. 08:43, 3 February 2018 (EST)

Vandal
First of all, that is not how you alert an admin of vandal attacks. It's part of the administration's job to instantly revert such edits upon sight, so obvious I would have known if I had seen it. Unfortunately, I wasn't online to see it, despite my name appearing on WhosOnline on the Recent Changes (and stayed there longer than usual for reason). And no, the username doesn't need to be renamed as it isn't inappropriate. Good night. 09:16, 3 February 2018 (EST)

FA template
Your template looks good! I think we could use it to ease archiving FA nominations. 23:10, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Mario vs. DK levels
While I am not actively editing anymore, I do lurk the site quite frequently and I have seen your progress. Good job bringing these levels from Mini-Land Mayhem onto the wiki! Hope to see more things like this in the future. -- 16:23, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Just Wanted To Speak.
Hey, are You able To Talk? User:LUIGIRULES71 LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 23:10, 9 February 2018 (EST)

Sockpuppets page
Can I ask what the purpose for this page is, and whether you asked permission to create it? It looks like you're just listing and describing each sockpuppet in a similar vein to a Userpedia page, and it seems like a good way to provoke sockpuppets if they come across it. If you intend to keep track of sockpuppets for a future proposal or something, please keep it off-site. 18:53, 13 February 2018 (EST)

"Nothing has been brought up since the last proposal"
Incorrect, according to an edit summary from Link-the-Lefty, it was discovered that a similar Chuck Cunningham'd enemy, Blargg, has its Japanese name used for a similar later enemy (Magmarrgh), which itself has a different official Japanese name. And they're not merged. That alone is precedence and reason to split the Moles for consistency. In fact, the moles are even more different from each other than the lunging lava dinosaurs are. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2018 (EST)
 * And you outright stated incorrect information in your extended argument. Blargg and Magmarrgh attack exactly the same (hiding under surface of lava with only their eyes visible, then lunging out, mouth open, upon approach), while the moles are nothing alike in that regard. So the lava creatures are even closer to each other than this. Also, using a cartoon to back you up regarding elements from games is laughably silly. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
 * I have now, it's hard to do so when I was typing that out when you posted it. Either way, using a boss flunky is flawed per Big Pokey. There is not enough evidence saying these moles are the same! And a ton of information saying they're different! The only reason for them to be merged is a flawed idea of convenience! Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)
 * Like I said before, that comparison doesn't work, as this has never been "Kyodai Choropu," "Deka Choropu," "Biggu Choropu," "Atomikku Choropu," et cetera. Neither was intended as simply a "big" counterpart; that didn't exist until Star Rush for Monty. Rather, these are extra-changed permutations thereof, akin to Banzai Bill vs. its more generic counterpart, the Big Bullet Bill, or to Tub-O-Troopa vs. the more generic Colossal Koopa Paratroopa. Both names are completely different from the various "large" addendum-using ones: "Indy" seems random, while "Goropu" makes a pun on an earthquake rumbling sound. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2018 (EST)
 * I never said "generic subject," I said that neither are simply an enlarged version, which is what the case for the various "Big Goombas" and "Big Boos" is. These are completely different from each other: look completely different, act completely different, are named completely different, and have completely different weaknesses! This is not a case like Big Goomba where one of those categories may be different and the rest be the same, this is a case where all of the above are different! The only thing even putting forth the smallest suggestion that there's even a direct relation is a file name, which leaves even less similarities than Blargg and Magmmaargh or Moneybag and Coin Coffer! Saying there is enough room to call them the same requires pure speculation, while listing them as separate uses caution and reservation, which is the best thing to do when there's no explicit official word. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2018 (EST)
 * They have different names, neither of which are a simple rewording (ie the "giant" to "big"). Also, they are physically very different, to the point that calling them the same is less likely than saying Boss Bass and Big Cheep Cheep are the same (as Boss Bass was originally "Kyodai Pukupuku," or Giant Cheep Cheep.) It's best to be cautious and list significantly-different things as different rather than lump them together, as that requires more speculation (ie, how it was "redesigned" and "retooled" and things like that). I prefer to be cautious and not list things together based off of potential red herrings. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Level Image Widths
I see you creating articles with images with a 250px width. Instead of 250px, do 256px, since that is the width of a Nintendo DS screen. Also do so for NES/SNES (256px), GB/GBC (160px), and GBA (240px). The blur or pixelization will go away, depending on if the specified width is smaller or bigger than the source image. -- 00:08, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Whoops
Thanks for fixing that! 10:46, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Level disambiguations
Thanks for creating Level 1-5 and Level 1-6 disambiguation pages, I complete forgot about them. However, only Tipping Stars have a seventh and eighth level, so Level 1-7 and Level 1-8 should be the levels themselves. Mario vs. Donkey Kong instead uses Level 1-mm and Level 1-DK, which I will create tomorrow hopefully. 15:37, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Reminder
Your responses here were out of line. Having this sort of overbearing and impatient attitude in talk discussions and on the wiki in general is entirely unacceptable, especially towards the proprietor. 19:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)

"Punctuation included in proper nouns is usually ignored.'
Under what style guide? The Chicago Manual of Style and the APA Style both say to exclude periods when the title already contains a punctuation mark, and the wiki's says nothing about it. 16:08, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Re:Plagiarism
I'm offended by this libelous usage of my intellectual property. Please pay me dividends of five Brozoufs for the next three exocycles if you intend to go forward with that proposal.

[Yeah it's similar but I'm flattered more than anything and beside, I'm ripped off people consciously [and probably unconsciously] during my wiki years. You're fine.] --Glowsquid (talk) 20:33, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Rotating Magnet Stick
There is actually a Magnet Rod article that exists, which seems to be referring to the object that makes the Minis stick to walls and ceilings. It's possible the name "Rotating Magnet Sticks" was changed to "Magnet Rods" in Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! or whoever created the Magnet Rod article got the two objects confused. I don't have a source for the name, as I don't actually own any of the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games. I think you should try asking Lord Bowser if he owns any of the games and has any more info, as he created the Magnet Rod article. And as for "Magnet Blocks", Magnetic Block exists, which refers to the place-able blocks that resemble Pink Blocks. (Magnet Block exists as well but it refers to an unrelated block in Yoshi's Island DS.) Sorry if this didn't really help. 22:32, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Considering that Tipping Stars is their most recent appearance, I think that would be a good idea. 22:41, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Foreign names
No I hadn't forgotten, getting the names would require playing through the game from the beginning, since the objective titles don't appear again after you complete them, and I don't really feel like doing that right now. At best I can probably find the Japanese names on YouTube since they're fairly easy to find; Chinese names less so. 01:47, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

RE:Draft proposal
You brought up some pretty good points, thank you for expanding upon my proposal. You have one supporter! -- 17:01, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
 * The Proposal is neat, but apparently, I see some flaws. First, currently Cosmic Adventure is not listed in the Outer Space Locations Category, so that can't exactly be used as it is not part of the category. And changing the category just so that a few (not sure how many) can be add doesn't sound that convincing. Second, all of the entries in the current category fits the bill of Outer Space and I am not seeing any that would not. And of those that are partially in Outer Space are still good because they have another category besides. Third, the only Rainbow Roads that are in space are all except SNES, GBA, and GCN, which those except SNES, which doesn't have a category, have the Sky category. Third, besides Cosmic Adventure, I am not sure if the new definition would benefit the wiki. This is even after looking at Wikipedia. Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario. This is without any definition changes. Finally, even though I don't know what deep space actually means, there is a series call Deep Space Nine, which is part of the Star Trek franchise. And the Star Trek franchise is adventures that take place in outer space with the occasional inclusion of Earth. And space is in deep space. So, this two-sided argument shows that it is in outer space. 17:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
 * "Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario." I hope this will be said for the last time: the outer space is only the big void/vacuum/nothing between celestial bodies. What exactly makes Mario's planet more distinct from other planets in that sense? Why is Moon Kingdom in the outer space, but the Mushroom Kingdom not? Both are just as much in outer space as Yoshi Village and Luigi's Mansion are in the opean ocean.
 * "Also, Outer Space is anything but the home planet of Mario." in context of Mario only. It is the same as the definition with Earth, but since it is Mario, it is his home planet. Our moon is in Outer Space even though it is very close to Earth. Also, this is going by the second definition on the Wikipedia site. 18:20, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
 * @Toadette: I do start to believe the "Cosmic" definition wouldn't be very accurate either. Paying more attention to the term, it seems to define a range of objects in the universe that is just as big as the outer space's. We should go with something like "Alien Locations". Yeah, this should fit the bill. -- 18:01, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

(reply) 1. Good point. But, try doing research before trying to include it in proposals. 2. For World 9 in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it is above all worlds (which includes a sky/cloud world). Superstar Road has been already explained. Moon Kingdom is part of the Moon. 3. Star Trek is a secondary logic that shows that deep space refers to outer space. As for banning the generic terms, outer space does have gameplay and story for some, but for all is hard to judge. Bonus 1. I thought you looked it up on Wikipedia. Where, it is whatever you provided then. Bonus 2. After some thinking, I have a suggestion. I think that it should be named simply Space Locations (to go with the Space Category) and/or change the line of Outer Space Category to match that of the other general location categories. This is the best that I can come up with besides Cosmic. If Cosmic is better than Space, then it effects the Space category as well. 22:58, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Mini-Land Mayhem
Taking a break from the Outer Space discussion, I have to ask you: do you own Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem? If you have it, could you please check the info I added so far in its article? I'm referring to the gameplay section and I am most interested in knowing your opinion on the Construction Zone section. I haven't played the game myself, having based my writing on gameplay videos and my experience with Tipping Stars, which is a very similar game. -- 09:42, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Added, thank you! Feel free to correct inaccuracies. -- 16:19, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

I decided to ask you since you have the game. Where or when does this music play in Mini-Land Mayhem? -- 10:02, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Hotel Mario levels
Since all of the levels of each world (hotel) are simply titled Stage 1, 2 etc. as opposed to something more distinctive like Stage 1-1, Stage 2-1 etc., that would make six Hotel Mario pages of the same stage number, too many to fit into an template, so I'd say the current Stage 1 to 4 pages should be turned into disambiguation pages in that case. 05:48, 24 March 2018 (EDT)

Your 1up Toad Proposal
Hey, can you change it to be multi-option to give an option for simply moving the info to the 1-Up Mushroom article? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
 * Thanks ^-^ Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:16, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

RE: Stub
Please review the second verse of the message i made which clarify the deletion.

Not a fan of your message to L151, specifically your final line "In the future, I recommend you judge whether a short article has effort put into it before deleting it as a stub." This tone is unacceptable, as you were already reminded once about. Asking questions or voicing a concern is fine, but outright telling an admin to change their behavior is a violation of courtesy. 17:15, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

I myself noticed far too much emphasis in certain places, creating a very petulant tone. Probably ought to hold back on that specifically as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

"get into"
Ehhh, I wouldn't say it's "colloquial." It's not the most formal way of saying it, but it's nothing along the lines of slang, jargon, or a figure of speech. It's a tense-altered version of the word "go" followed by a generic descriptor, and as such is more of a quick and simple manner of stating a point. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros Microgames
It's not an about template. It's a piece of info noting that the basis game's resources were used multiple times in the game, which is some interesting information, IMHO. Keeping it out would be like not mentioning Waluigi on Wario's Mario Tennis 64 section. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Rocky Wrench
The name of Monty Mole in Japanese seems to translate to "Poo that darts around." If official nomenclature isn't enough to say that something is based off of something else, nothing is. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

Re:Goomba Switch
The closest that the guide comes to an official name is the following line: "Coax down the icicle at the foot of the small platform holding a Goomba button, then use the top of the fallen ice as a step." (Snow Kingdom: Mario's Itinerary tab of the eGuide; can't access my physical guide atm). All other references are completely generic, i.e. variations on "the switch" or "the button". 16:55, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
 * "Goomba button" is the closest we'll get to a concrete name, so sure. 17:01, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
 * I'll be inconvenienced soon, but I'll update it when I can. 17:03, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey
While I appreciate the support here, popping in just to say "I agree with the admin" isn't necessary. It can make the user feel like they're being ganged up on, for example. To quote Courtesy: "Getting yourself involved when the admins have it covered just makes their jobs harder: if they're on the scene, stay out of it." 16:50, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Donkey Kong Country photograph sections
They may not need the "only"... but do they need the "(Game Boy Advance)" suffix at all? I think a nicer presentation might be tooltipped text saying "Photographs are only found in the Game Boy Advance version of Donkey Kong Country" or always including a wikilink to Photograph in those sections. --The  Retro   Gamer  17:57, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
 * I don't necessarily think the "only" is unnecessary. If it just says "Game Boy Advance version", one may be led to wonder why there isn't a section on the photographs in the SNES version. --The   Retro   Gamer  18:32, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Re: Comments on Porplemontage's talk
I'm a bit confused by your comment "since it seems to be the only major change The Retro Gamer hasn't really discussed with you" on Steve's talk. It seems to be a slight misunderstanding of our previous discussion, and a strange way to frame your question. While I have no problem with Steve offering his opinion, proposals are already a public forum of sorts where changes can be discussed and dissected, so I don't think it was necessary to bring me into it personally. --The  Retro   Gamer  16:07, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
 * You've asked several times to give his opinion on proposals and talk pages. Based on how you have these discussions worded, it seem like you're trying to get him to sway the conversation in your favor. Talk:Bub is a peculiar example, where you posted a question and then went to Steve to get his own opinion. One of them wasn't even about your own proposal, and the same goes for the current proposal. There's no need to drag the proprietor into these conversations that are supposed to be solved by the community. The top of his talk page even says not to bother him unless there's a serious issue involved with the wiki coding.  16:08, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Luigi's Girlfriend vandal
The vandal publicly asked on their Twitter for people to assist them. It should probably stay protected for at least a while. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2018 (EDT)


 * @Doc I understand you're trying to help, but I'd appreciate it if you leave admin-related questions for admins to answer. But yes, having a large following, she did publicly ask users including those who may be autoconfirmed to help her, so the protection still stands.


 * Also, any admin is required to step in should a mistake be made. Level of involvement is completely irrelevant. 03:34, 2 May 2018 (EDT)


 * No, I don't see why we need to acknowledge the tweet in the reasoning. It's fine as it is. 08:22, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Re: Recent log deletion
It's nothing to be concern about, also let this older message continue to be a reminder for you. Don't attempt to continue this attitude, unless it deeply concerns the Wiki and the policies.

Children's Television Act
. Still doesn't need to be added, probably. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

More Minion Quest Missions
Hi, hate to bother ya, but I found a couple more missions that appear after using the Goomba, Koopa Troopa, and Boo amiibos to unlock the gold versions of Captain Goomba, Captain Koopa Troopa, and Captain Boo. Trust me. They’re literally official. Here are the courses in order.


 * Goombas Galore from Hoohoo Mountain. (1st battle: 8 Goombas. 2nd battle: 7 Goomba Towers, 1 Gold Beanie.)


 * Oh, Hi, Shy Guy! from Beanbean Outskirts. (1st battle: 2 Fly Guys, 6 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 6 Fly Guys, 2 Shy Guys.)


 * Shell Brigade, Move Out! from Beanbean Outskirts. (1st battle: 3 Koopa Troopas, 4 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 1 Red Koopa Paratroopa. 2nd battle: 3 Koopa Troopas, 5 Red Koopa Paratroopas.)


 * Captain Goomba Trial (Gold) from Chucklehuck Woods, which only makes it to where the gold version of Captain Goomba is the only one fighting. (1st battle: 7 Tanoombas, 1 Rex. 2nd battle: 7 Beanies, 1 Clumph. 3rd battle: 1 Gold Beanie.)


 * Shy Guy Goes Overboard from Chucklehuck Woods. (1st battle: 5 Fly Guys, 3 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 4 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys. 3rd battle: 2 Fly Guys, 6 Spear Guys.)


 * King of the Boos from Chucklehuck Woods. (1st battle: 5 Boos, 3 Big Boos. 2nd battle: 4 Boos, 4 Big Boos.)


 * The Power of Koopa Troopas from Gwarhar Lagoon. (1st battle: 2 Koopa Troopas, 3 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 3 Starkisses. 2nd battle: 3 Elite Pestnuts, 2 Green Koopa Paratroopas, 2 Starkisses, 1 Koopa Troopa. 3rd battle: 2 Spinies, 3 Red Koopa Paratroopas, 3 Starkisses.)


 * A Gaggle of Goombas from Gwarhar Lagoon. (1st battle: 6 Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 2nd battle: 3 Goombas, 3 Goomba Towers, 2 Paragoombas. 3rd battle: 5 Goomba Towers, 3 Paragoombas.)


 * Captain Koopa Troopa Trial (Gold) from Gwarhar Lagoon. This mission consists of only the gold version of Captain Koopa Troopa fighting. (1st battle: A single Elite Troopea that constantly plays a variety of rounds of Pass the Bob-omb.)


 * A Goomba Tail from Teehee Valley. (1st battle: 4 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 2nd battle: 4 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 2 Paragoombas. 3rd battle: 2 Goombas, 2 Big Tail Goombas, 4 Paragoombas.)


 * A Muster of Masks from Teehee Valley. (1st battle: 4 Fly Guys, 3 Shy Guys, 1 Bandit. 2nd battle: 4 Fly Guys. 3 Bandits, 1 Shy Guy. 3rd battle: 3 Fly Guys, 2 Bandits, 3 Shy Guys.)


 * Captain Boo Trial (Gold) from Joke’s End, where the gold version of Captain Boo fights solely. (1st battle: 3 Ice Snifits, 1 Elite Limbo Bro. 2nd battle: 4 Mechakoopas, 1 Piranha Bean.)


 * Boo Party! from Jokes’s End. (1st battle: 2 Bomb Boos, 6 Boos. 2nd battle: 2 Boos, 6 Tail Boos. 3rd battle: 3 Boos, 5 Bomb Boos. 4th battle: 3 Boos, 2 Bomb Boos, 3 Big Boos.)


 * Shy Guy Barrage from Joke’s End. (1st battle: 1 Fly Guy, 3 Bandits, 4 Shy Guys. 2nd battle: 2 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys, 2 Shy Guys. 3rd battle: 4 Fly Guys, 4 Spear Guys.)


 * The Beastly Bean Battalion from Bowser’s Castle, which the battle background is used from Believe in Bowser. (1st battle: 1 Rex, 1 Elite Chuck Guy, 1 Beanie, 1 Elite Pestnut, 2 Paratroopeas, 1 Piranha Bean, 1 Mecha-Fawful X. 2nd battle: 1 Gritty Goomba, 1 Sharpea, 3 Scaratroopeas, 2 Starkisses, 1 Mecha-Fawful Y. 3rd battle: 1 Limbo Bro, 1 Tanoomba, 1 Parabeanie, 4 Fuzzbushes, 1 Mecha-Fawful Z. 4th battle: 1 Elite Limbo Bro, 2 Beanies, 1 Troopea, 2 Lakipeas, 1 Beanerang Bro, 1 Mecha-Fawful X. 5th battle: 1 Clumph, 1 Elite Troopea, 2 Paratroopeas, 1 Scaratroopea, 2 Ice Snifits, 1 Mecha-Fawful Y. 6th battle: 1 Pestnut, 1 Chuck Guy, 1 Paratrooper, 2 Piranha Beans, 1 Starkiss, 1 Beanerang Bro, 1 Mecha-Fawful Z.)

Also, the info of The Mightiest Minions appears to be false; I played on my 3DS, and different battles sprawl on as you keep playing that mission. The battles just vary like this:


 * 1st battle: Either 2 Goomba Towers, 3 Boos, 2 Tail Boos, and 1 Bandit, 3 Chargin’ Chucks, 2 Goombas, 2 Fly Guys, and 1 Fire Stalking Piranha Plant, or 4 Mechakoopas, 2 Lakitus, 1 Fire Bro, and 1 Big Tail Goomba.


 * 2nd battle: Either 1 Chain Chomp, 3 Para-Beetles, 2 Dry Bones, and 2 Spikes, 2 Koopa Troopas, 4 Paragoombas, 1 Ice Bro, and 1 Blue Magikoopa, or 1 Pokey, 2 Buzzy Beetles, 4 Green Koopa Paratroopas, and 1 Big Boo.


 * 3rd battle: Either 2 Broozers, 3 Spear Guys, 2 Hammer Bros, and 1 White Magikoopa, 1 Spiny, 2 Bomb Boos, 4 Shy Guys, and 1 Red Magikoopa, or 1 Bob-omb, 2 Red Koopa Paratroopas, 4 Boomerang Bros, and 1 Green Magikoopa.

All these missions were uncovered by me, as I use my 3DS and play it rather than finding it on the game’s code…I’m sorry, but I’m not an expert at hacking… ‘^_^

07:44, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

Dash Panel
Soooo....your solution is to undo an admin's edit so you can "talk it over" with another admin? Why are you putting yourself in charge of that, exactly? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
 * And I've removed several myself. I'm just saying that it would make a lot more sense to speak to him about it, then see if it needs removed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

RE: BJAODN question
Personally, I would say that it is not BJAODN worthy. I understand why it's been put there, but when the article has had some many different names, they do all need to be cited. That said, I think we should only require the most recent source, so I think the amount of references could be cut down. I'm also uneasy over adding it to the archive considering that it's still available on the wiki in the unedited format, BJAODN is meant for things that have been removed from the wiki.

Paper jam glitch
I was doing a mission in the beach area (Twinsy Tropics), when I slid into a toad and at that exact moment a Koopa hit Luigi. I finished the battle and got the toad. Luigi was in his hurt pose, and when I tried to trio jump, the game crashed! Wariopig (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2018 (EDT)Wariopig

Mario Party: Star Rush pause descriptions
If you pause the game while you're playing a minigame, you'll get control descriptions. That's how I got the ones for every single minigame. By pausing the game, then recording it on this wiki. I'm sure most of our other minigame pages do the same thing; use the description from the game. Most Mario Party 8 pages use the Wii Remote and Button control descriptions from inside the actual game itself. Sure, they're kinda lengthy, but how come Star Rush can't have the actual control descriptions from the game itself? We use the in-game terms for most articles and other stuff on this wiki, so why can't this instance? – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Mario Land Stub
Reason why the stub template was on World 1-1 (Super Mario Land) was because there may be more changes to the level in Hard Mode and more research is needed. Do you have a way of checking for those changes? 21:06, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Google Translate
From the template page: "Running the English name through Google Translate or making your own translated name is not acceptable." This also applies to the reverse, putting foreign names through the translator into English. Google Translate has proven to be unreliable in the past. Finding someone who actually speaks the language would be a better option. 19:02, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

I intentionally left some of them blank like that because I'm really not sure whether to trust the machine translation or not. Some of them are really odd, like Страсти у скелетопасти (which machine translates to "Passion near the Mattermouths") so I'd rather we get someone who knows better to do it. I know Raltseye is better at Russian than I am (frankly I'm still at a really novice level) so maybe we could ask him for help there. Also, in terms of vocabulary, Google Translate is definitely helpful there, but it's another story when it comes to titles of minigames, which can have puns or other literary meanings transposed behind the terms that machines can't catch. Sometimes, it's straightforward enough to help. Sometimes it's too odd for me to add. 19:05, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

Hotel Mario reviews
Please elaborate what you mean by this. I think my edit summary should be clear enough: it's easy for absolutely anyone to include Hotel Mario in a list, but it's another thing to give a hands-on impression, and I'm not convinced that those three YouTube videos did this job. The other references were left intact, including IGN's. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2018 (EDT)
 * At one point, Rabidluigi says that it's "difficult to emulate" and that he doesn't "wanna waste money on this," so I believe it's distinctly possible that he took the footage elsewhere and didn't actually play it. The Copycat video is unlisted, so I'm unsure if it's really usable either. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:40, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Other Hotel Mario stuff
Is it out of the question to use that one time the original voice actor dubbed over the opening with more....raunchy dialog as a source for his participation in the ironic fandom? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:01, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Re:Hotel Mario
Want me to help out? 23:41, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
 * What could I help you with? 23:54, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Air Cheep image
I just had some problems with uploading a cropped file without the shadow. The second image that was uploaded looked just like the fourth does now, so I wanted to revert it to the first version and tried to reupload it, but after I reverted it the second image looked just like it had to be. I tried to revert it again to the second version, but the same thing happened 21:45, 25 May 2018 (CEST)

Dragon Wario
Saying "this shouldn't take priority" when he said in the immediately previous edit that it shouldn't and he would change it later is rather rude and uncalled for. Just by the way. Saying "moving to separate identifier" is sufficient and seems less rude and more helpful in general. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:27, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Re:Obstacles
Bullet Bills are definitively enemies; they move their arms, occasionally blink, and in some appearances have movable mouths. You seem to be confusing "sentient" with "sapient" here, and even then, a hanging bundle of explosives does not exist on the same level as an actual living thing. (Unrelated note, you still haven't responded to my note on the "Mario will Hoch Hinaus" (or however it is called) talk page.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
 * Really, the only game where Bill Blasters are outright "enemies" is SMRPG, which we have in a different article anyways. While they only fire at specific points in battles in the other RPGs (their turn), they also do this in the platform games, as do cannons. Having HP isn't really an indicator either, as things like the Hoho Stone do as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
 * Not everything needs a discussion, and I've been doing it for a while anyways. I'm pretty sure Time-Turner was doing something similar earlier, I was just continuing that. Note how many of them had simply been placed in "objects" sections? That didn't seem right either. Having a separate section for obstacles seem to be the best thing to do, and it would seem that the Bureaucrats agree with me there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Identifier
Not quite. It's the type of thing it is that comes first, not necessarily the game it comes from. (boss), (bear), and (Pixl) are acceptable identifiers, and they should be changed back. 19:02, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 * In the words of the policy, the first check is: "What type of thing it is (e.g. level, game, character, tennis court)" "Game" in this case is referring to something like a minigame, like WarioWare. Step 2, however: "If the same type of thing shares the same name across multiple games, use each game title as the identifiers." Step 2 calls in the game titles, step 1 is the type. Since these Boomers are all different types of characters, them being under a game title isn't necessary.
 * "Even if DKC3's Boomer is a bear to some extent, it's not like it's confirmed that he's a bear." He is, though? He's a member of the Brothers Bear, which are, by name, bears. 19:24, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 * All three of the Herman examples are separate comic characters, so the game, or in this case, comic identifier makes sense for them. Boomer can refer to an enemy boss in Super Mario RPG, the NPC bear in Donkey Kong Country 3, and the playable Pixl in Super Paper Mario. All three of these have different roles and species, and generic has nothing to do with it. Herman could probably use different identifiers, though, considering those just called "Herman" are either a plant or a human. As for Boomer bear being another animal in disguise... you may be overthinking that. And no, different types doesn't only apply to sporting arenas, see Piranha Plant (disambiguation) for example. 19:58, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 * My point with the Piranha Plant was that it isn't a sporting area and uses type distinguishers. But my major point here is that what you are doing really does go against the policy you are using as your reasons for page moving, so I don't get why you're fighting this. The Boomers are not the same type of character at all, very clearly so. TheFlameChomp suggested to me that (Brothers Bear) could be used as the DKC3 character, and I see you already reverted the (boss) one. And, yeah, I goofed when I said comic identifier for Herman; I was in a rush to leave and said the wrong thing there, but everything else is correct. I would appreciate it if they were changed back and a better discussion could take place on Boomer if need be, or at the very least the discussion part. 22:43, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

"For all we know, he could be another animal in disguise." .....if you're gonna go that route, no identifier could be accurate, since for all we know, Donkey Kong Country 3 is just Donkey Kong Country 2 in disguise, if we're going to go to that level of existentialism. And no, it wouldn't need a "larger discussion," the fact was that you simply broke the very policy you linked to. Have you been getting enough sleep? You seem a little....distant in this conversation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

From what I'm gathering, you're basing your decision to change the title on the possibility that it's not a bear, which makes no complete sense at all. And to quote Naming, "Identifiers start out specific but may become more generalized before moving to scenario two." "(Brothers Bear)" is as specific as it gets, but this can simply be narrowed down to "(bear)", but obviously not to "(character)" since there are of course two other characters. "Disguise" or not, at face value, it's a bear, so it's a perfectly acceptable title. Nowhere does it say that the "different types" point applies mainly to sporting arenas, and I think you're over-complicating this.

And another thing, and the reason I issued this warning: when an admin is explaining you something that is in accordance with policy, don't be stubborn and confrontational about it. Policy is handled by the staff, so if a staff member is enforcing it, they are doing it for the right reason. (And no, simply suggesting "starting a larger discussion" shouldn't have to be the answer to everything if this can simply be resolved by seeing the most logical choice in this scenario.) You shouldn't need to be reminded that you've already been warned a couple of times about undermining admin authority, and still your attitude you've been carrying against the administration is entirely disrespectful, and it stops now. 10:56, 8 June 2018 (EDT)


 * No, this didn't even need any discussion to begin with, as Alex95 has just told you that the type goes first according to policy, and since one is a bear and one is a Pixl, two distinct enough differences, we go with that. No need to look too much into it, and not everything needs to be brought up to the proprietor. It's dragged on more than it needed to. 11:23, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Priority question
No, both "Brian" and "Sonny" should be disambiguation pages. 09:40, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: MK8D category
They should still have separate categories like the other Mario Kart 8 Deluxe subcategories, even with the three-entry difference. Though if you think they should be merged then there should be a proposal/discussion, since there are other remake categories separated from the originals, including ones like Category:Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 Enemies, and the Category:Super Mario 64 DS subcategories which were created following this proposal. 01:56, 17 June 2018 (EDT)


 * Sure, that works. 08:58, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Outy Spice Locations
Hello. Remember my proposal to change the name of the Outer Space Locations category to "Cosmic Locations"? You intended to revisit the subject, but seem to have abandoned it. Do you still want to give it another chance? If so, let me know, as I would like to discuss some things beforehand. Looking back to my proposal now, I realise that the change would have been rather ambiguous, given the definition of "cosmic" in several dictionaries: Merriam Webster and Google itself define the word as all the universe outside of Earth, whereas Wiktionary and the Cambridge Dictionary omit the part that specifies that the cosmos is anything extraterrestrial. The present name, "Outer Space Locations", does a fine job telling people what the category contains--but it's nevertheless still inaccurate to use in some aspects. P.S.: I understand you've undergone a surgery. I wish you fast recovery. -- 06:06, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * I didn't suggest "extraterrestrial" as a replacement for Outer Space, I just stated that some dictionaries make use of it to describe what's cosmic in relation to Earth only. That's what "extraterrestrial" means: beyond the atmosphere of Earth (Terra). At any point, using the same adjective to describe anything outside of Mario's planet is conjecture because we don't know if it's the same as Earth, and SMO even outright declines it. Instead, "cosmic" is as applicable to Mario's planet as it is to Earth, if we take it as a fictional analogy to the latter. Let me get my point across. We say that sattelites, planets, and other celestial bodies are in Outer Space because that is their greater location. Sort of like saying that Easter Island is in the middle of the Pacific. However, when talking about an object located ON said places we don't say that it's in Outer Space; it is on its carrier, which happens to be spatial. Similarly, we don't say that those Moai head statues are found in the middle of the Pacific, but on an island in the middle of the Pacific. The same logic applies to X-Naut Fortress, Lunar Colony, Moon Kingdom and others. They are not exactly dipping into deep space, but the body they are on is. "Outer Space locations" is a very rough denominator to use for such places and it could technically be used for virtually any place in the Mushroom Kingdom. The scope of the Outer Space Locations category is currently everything outside of Mario's planet, and judging by some definitions of "cosmic", this would be a better term to encapsulate galaxies, planets and everything on them. -- 14:01, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
 * One more thing: I find your proposal replies to be a bit condescending to other users. Please tone them down, if you don't mind :) -- 15:52, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
 * Yup. -- 04:03, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Another page move
I've moved the list to the talk page. Next time you make a request like that, though, please give your reasoning. 06:55, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
 * It wasn't for me personally to do - if it was, I would have put it in my userspace. (Technically, it's on Time Turner's shoulders - it was their proposal. I just want everything at least marked for merger before SSBU actually releases and people start making new pages.) - Reboot (talk) 22:58, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

Mario Tennis Aces Names
Correct me if i'm wrong, but is there a source for "Dark Luigi", "Dark Wario", and "Dark Waluigi"? As far as i know, the game reffers to the possessed Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi simply as "Luigi", "Wario", and "Waluigi". 07:44, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
 * Why are you ingoring this message? 12:02, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Jerry
Yes, it should be moved. 22:34, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
 * You probably should have moved it to "Jerry (Bob-omb)" as that is much easier to type and is more rule-compliant anyways. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

RE:Username change
Is Koops 2.0 avaliable? Koops  ( message ''') 19:25, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Contributions!
Hey Toadette The Achiever, thanks for deciding to help my Mario Tennis Aces quotes page. Gameboy2345 (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Archive
How do users archive a page? Koops  ( message ''') 16:33, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Cosmic Locations
Good job. Sorry for not being present yesterday to help out with the move. -- 01:45, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

RE: Proposal / identifier
No, the matter was whether it should be merged to the boss list or Ridley's page, and as Reboot said, it would have to be merged either way.

"Fountain (dome)" makes the most sense. 01:51, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Admin noticeboard signatures
Forgot to tell you this after I reported this guy, but when reporting someone using the Admin noticeboard link, you don't have to place down a signature at all after inserting the troll template. In fact, it's strongly against it to put the signature on the page anyway, but I don't think the main page mentions it at all in that box. Strange... – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 19:34, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

RE: Greenhouse
No, I don't see why anyone would refer to those as "rooms." 20:47, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Roger Lift
Hey Toadette! I think we should have a proposal. Blarggwich had both the Blarggwich itself and the water spirit that appeared in Salvo the Slime's castle. There must have at least you, TheFlameChomp, Mario jc, LinkTheLefty, Alex95, and Doc von Schmeltwick. We also need more people. Are IPs allowed to vote in a proposal? The proposal hasn't started yet, but it's about if we leave Blarggwich and Roger Lift (the Japanese name of the water spirit in Salvo the Slime's castle) in the same page or if we split it. --83.156.220.80 01:58, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Peer review
The writing is fine. However, the second phrase in the lead paragraph is long-winded and easy to get lost into, as there are barely any commas beside the ones in the enumeration. I'd suggest the phrase describe the appearance of the ship from the outside and the inside in separate sentences, and thus be divided either by a period or a semicolon. Another issue I have is the lack of images... had I not played SMO, I would have wanted to know what the Odyssey looks like when crashed and unfunctional. An image of the ship completely furnished with souvenirs from all kingdoms would also be good to see. Why not also throw in this picture of the Odyssey confronting the Ruined Dragon? I think these are all important moments of the Odyssey that need to be captured in the article outside of text; you know, to accompany details about its relevance to the story.

Oh, and yeah, the trivia is overly long. The piece about Cappy revealing that the Odyssey is an older model of the ships in Bonneton could at least find home in the intro since it seems like a basic fact. There are some other facts in the Trivia section that describe interaction with elements of the ship (jumping on the globe to hear a music-box Jump Up Super Star, placing Mario on the armchair to make him sit there etc.), and the last paragraph under the Super Mario Odyssey headline is a single-sentence fact in the same vein. Maybe you can relocate that trivia somewhere here!

Anyway, isn't the article a little too short? Not that it is a stub, but it just doesn't have much to cover. It's smaller than Vivian, which already doesn't compare to the likes of Goomba and Banzai Bill. -- 12:33, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
 * But do you think my review helped? Or is there something you wish to note? -- 15:55, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

I have an idea that would greatly expand the article: making a list of locations surrounding the Odyssey in each kingdom. On the brochures, the Odyssey is pin-pointed separately from all other locations. Given that we have established that each location that surrounds a checkpoint flag must receive an article detailing all of its defining marks (e.g. Tostarena Town and Inverted Pyramid), I think the Odyssey corners should receive a similar treatment. -- 17:50, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

Port/remake proposal
Just so you know, the splits would be on a case-by-case basis if the proposal passes, which is why I left Luigi's Mansion out of the immediate splits. -- 20:07, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

Apology
Okay okay. I'm very sorry... --Samueljoo (talk) 09:35, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

Springboard article
Hey, Roller here. I was just wondering what your plan for the Springboard article is now. While I didn't agree with your previous proposal as is, the article is absolutely horrible to read through, and I wanted to know what your new proposal would be for the article, and if there would be anything I could do to help. rollerC (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
 * And what's so horrible about it, may I ask? It's a little clumsily-written in parts but definitely not unreadable. -- 14:41, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
 * Sure, it's not unreadable, but the ToC is huge, and each section only has about a sentence worth of information. There's a lot of extra information that could be grouped together, but instead, it's littered about the article by series. I'm also worried that some changes could make it worse, so I want to know ahead of time what the plan is.rollerC (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Hey, Docky here. Please, whatever you do, don't make an omnibus proposal, as those get very divisive among people very fast. Thank you for your time. I'd personally suggest starting with the DK arcade obstacle or the PiT item. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
 * "Oh please do not make an omnibus proposal x_x" Doc, relax. I only want to know what their plan is, I don't want an omnibus proposal. The article is ugly in its current state. rollerC (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Regarding what was said on rollerC's talk page, the only ones that don't look roughly like that "|x|" or "|<>|" design I can think of off the top of my head are the Club Nintendo one (which is obviously intended to be the same thing) and the Super Mario RPG ones. EDIT: Hadn't seen the SMR ones looked like accordions instead. How to the MvsDK series ones look? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
 * I'm going to get really confused if we continue this conversation on more than one talk page. Mind if we pick one or the other? rollerC (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

RE: Interesting rename scenario
"Busted! (WarioWare: Mega Microgame$!)" since it originated from that game. Though something more interesting I just discovered is that they both share the same Japanese name (Mona's microgames in Twisted! - スパイ Supai ("Spy") is the 17th one on the list) and even the same command:  (not to mention the gameplay of both microgames are very similar), so it's likely they intended both to be the same microgame. I might make a TPP on this eventually, but you can go ahead with the rename first. 01:42, 6 August 2018 (EDT)


 * on "Classic Clash" after the move. 21:46, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Re:Reupload
Oh, well I never played Shy Guy's Shuffle City due to it being multiplayer exclusive, so I don't know the similarities. I'll grab a snapshot of the space I guess. 14:09, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * Question, is there a results screen where the game keeps track of where the spaces are landed on? That's how I cropped out the spaces for much of my Island Tour screenshots.
 * PS I'm sorry for not working on Hotel Mario. Things got caught up with me like they usually do, so much stuff to keep track of >_> 15:14, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * Yeah, figured. I knew this from the getgo (hence why I made that mistake to begin with), so this screenshot I took and reuploaded is our best bet. Anyway, I'm asking for the Mario Party 10 board spaces, are there results screen for those that I can crop out of? 15:35, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * Perfect! I'll get croppin' those out soon before you can say "Toadette's the winner!". Also, btw for the Warp Space, Yellow Toad refers to them as an "Event Space" when they first appear too but I think it's because I'm playing the PAL version of the game so...maybe that's a mistake from localization. 15:41, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * I'm reuploading some images, though I might want to move some files to match consistency on how I normally organize space names (Like, File:MP10_SpaceGreen.png, because in the categories, all spaces would be conveniently located in the same area as each other). Question, I should upload the Mario Party 10 variants of old spaces, since they have differences from the MP9 ones, correct? 15:55, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * In the process of me uploading, maybe you could move file name pages such as Heart Space to File:MP10_SpaceHeart.png and so on, would save me some trouble while I'm busy making new files. 16:00, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Hey, I think the Special Event Space can simply be the Dead-End Space article moved to there, as they have the same design and same function, just a different name. 17:21, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Uh, Advance Space shouldn't redirect to Dash Space, as Dash Spaces actually exist in Mario Party 10... 18:27, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

So yeah I'm done uploading spaces. The Advance Space, Back Space, and the purple Boo area are the only ones not in any articles so...yeah. 18:54, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * I'm also not entirely pleased with the cropping of some sprites too such as Streetlight... 18:57, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * I'll try again. Sometimes the wand tool gets really finnicky. 19:15, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
 * That's all right. I'll get to it when I'm done uploading the Bowser Tower portion of the Mario Party Island Tour music. 14:35, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

Dinosaur, grrr
Not really covered entirely in that article. There are also a few generic fire-breathing dinosaurs, and most of the "Rexes" in that cartoon don't seem as entirely Rex-like as the ones from Send in the Clown. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:59, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

SMB3 microgames
I think "Super Mario Bros. 3 (lift microgame)" and "Super Mario Bros. 3 (power-up microgame)" would work.

As for Blue, the reason wasn't the name origin. It's pretty obvious the bear character takes greater priority than a one-time status effect; the fact that the latter's name isn't completely official either just made it easier. 00:49, 16 August 2018 (EDT)


 * Also, would it be possible if you could address the concerns brought up here? I don't know if you've seen them, but it's important as the proposer to at least take them into consideration (there was even one left unanswered here). 00:56, 16 August 2018 (EDT)


 * The way I see it, whether one is conjectural is irrelevant if you're determining priority alone. With both of those being minor characters, they seem about equally significant. Really, I would only just think about situations like this if the difference in popularity is very obvious.


 * Regarding the proposal, I think the point Doc was making was that you excluded some subjects that should be covered as well because of their significance in the media they appear in (notably the dinosaurs in Dino Dino Jungle which act as stage hazards). 02:49, 17 August 2018 (EDT)