User talk:Knife/Archive

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Oh?
Think so? Wait 'till I get back...
 * THat doesn't sound good O.o

Spam'd
I can't seem to time the cloning of Magmortar just right....... Come to the chat and take him back.

Trophy Pics
Can I do the rest tommorow? (It is already the 30th down under, so I mean the 30th American time.)
 * Seems like you're doing a good job uploading the trophy pictures. Do you know about Multi-Upload? It could make things faster for you. - 13:58, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Kay-O, I already converted all trophies up to Marth to PNG. I will finish it by the end of the week. And, Cobold, that is what I have been using all this time :P
 * Knife, I hit a problem. The Starman (Earthbound) Trophy Image on that website, is the Starman from the Mario Bros. series. Additionally, the Bulbasaur Image won't show. These are two Images we will have to find elsewhere. :(
 * Thanks for the help. BTW, we only need to do the last 93 Trophy Bios. we could split up work, you do the first 46, I can do the next 47, or Vice Versa :P We should be finished in well under a Week :)

Skin
Well, I guess after all personal taste is above all. For myself, it hurts my eyes when changing from the black screen back to white when logging out, but not the other way round. ;) - 16:47, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

look at


 * PLDs wanted you to see the Sprites he made for Lanky kong.

YUmm... there's nothing on Lanky Kong's talk or User Page. 23:58, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh, he made a typo :P

Ban
And your's is 30 days from darkmyst.
 * Ya rly.
 * If you get chatzilla, PLUMs and I want an excuse to go back to the underground mariowiki room :P

can i...
can i edit my sig not like a big edit but just add a pic so can i edit it? well if i can...may you use my info box pic but make it smaller and add yoshi on the side of the word birdo i hope you can let me edit it.  Princess  Birdo

Sig
Looking for ? It turns into . - 16:27, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Cobold beat me to it! discludes the namespace, of which articles have none, which is why only the normal Talk namespace currently works.  16:31, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Mh, but it didn't work like intended. I'll check the MediaWiki guides. - 16:32, 3 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Thanks for the help guys, but I wanted it to link to the page too. Anyway, thanks. 16:33, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm trying to figure that out right now. 16:36, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Try : . Turns into :. - 16:37, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Didn't know before. *Takes note*  16:39, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * IT WORKS!. Thanks for the help Cobold. 16:57, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

MwikiUnderground
You can go into the mariowiki client, and then type /server irc.mozilla.org and then /j #mariowiki... Sometimes we have people in there. Not right now, though.....

Now I'm confused. What's up with the Pelipper? I accidentally said to trade for it... Was that the plan?

Tails and Amy
If you are not occupied will you teach me how to make my own sprites???

Super Smash Bros. Melee
You said I should drop a note when it's ready for re-reviewing, so here I come. I've finished this run on improving Super Smash Bros. Melee, the checklist is all checked. Let's see how I score. :) - 15:18, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Source
My source for the names is the NP Player's Guide.

Huttah!
On 4 teh rst of teh day. Nice sig. ;)
 * I get qouted so much, my qouted qoutes are sometimes qouted... see you later.

Logo
Upload it as Image:Wiki.png 09:21, 10 August 2007 (EDT)


 * No, I don't think so. 11:31, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

join plds factory

and can you send me the demo on the userpedia forums?

Wazzup
Wazzup SpikeKnifeNeedleSword?-- 22:27, 11 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Nice name :D

Thanks. 22:34, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm gonna call you Knifey Needle because your new name is to long.

Not a prob with me, as long as you call me by one of my names. 22:40, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

Knifey Needle. That's 2 of your names. That sounded akward.

Eh, its cool with me. As long as you call me something remotely related to my name. 22:50, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

You changed your name AGAIN??? Oh well, I'ma call you SpikeKnife like always =P

^ Whoa, my sig looks cool on the silver bg. Here it is again!

It does look pretty awesome. 02:45, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Nice name!

Name
WTH???

Ok...you started as Spike...then went as Knife...then Needle...decided to be Knife again but still keep changing your name in your sig...then wanted to be Spike again...then wanted to be Resident Knife...and finally....this.... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Sure, I may have changed my name two times but hey this is...

...cool. 14:49, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

I was thinking of something more like "annoying". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Change your name to cool.

Ack.
Gimmie a break. I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO TYPE THAT NAME!

Just call me whatever you want. ALso, I was thinking of changing my name to cool so this name might not stay long. 14:33, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Even Steve is going to have a limit on how many times you can change your name. I stressed before: it's a privilege, and you would be abusing it. 14:41, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Umm.. I was just kidding. 14:42, 14 August 2007 (EDT) (or maybe not)

Patrollerhood
Thanks. I didn't know this would happen today, things always happen unexpectedly :P Anyway, thanks for the congratulations :) See ya around.

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/9/8/18/spl/f_BooMario2m_9802a43.png

Look what i made! AND CONFUSED IS YOUR BROTHER?!?! so thats why your both good at sprites.

uh... how?

Ok, i think i'll join MFGG.

Ok.

Bro?
Ah. Confused is your 'relation on the Wiki'. That explains a lot.

Anyway, why's your bro so inactive?
 * At least I get to use my dad's laptop whenever I want. ;) Anything new?

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/9/8/18/f_11743298194m_7c2a2ae.jpg SOMEONE JUST OUTBID ME ON AN eBAY AUCTION!!!!!

Question
Y did you upload the same picture as me you kno the MSC sidekick art?Yeah but I think know Xzelion is trying to erase mine that I uploaded.ANd i don't want that beacause every single thing I upload always gets deleted.:(

Heh, ..Buttered
I actually like 'buttered up' better than 'seduced'. Nice one. Fixitup

can u PM me the game Demo puwease!

oh. really?

are yuo on MFGG?

is ur bro?

Um..
You do know that Five Links is the Max for your sig, right?

Thanks for telling me...
Good in reality, but I see something wrong with this wiki...I think some users here dislike me and I think Im going to retire.

Username
How come you changed your name to a longer one?

Species Infobox
So are we going to have a species infobox?

New Stubs
Do you have a reason to tag a delete template on new stubs articles?
 * Did you yet read the sitenotice? That's the line of text at the top of each page... - 18:34, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Redirecting
How do you redirect pages?

Game link
can yas give me a link to yer game.tanks. -User:Shyster

Hello!
Um, not to be rude, but why did you delete the Image for Mario's Glove? That was from actual character artwork, and should be valid. Please leave a reply on my talk page. Thanks.

SMS help
Hey, thanks, I've got quite a few there but that seems like the only logical place left. About posting gaming problems, I know you're probably right but I've seen other users post theirs before and thought it would be alright. Thanks again!

Hey
Why are u inactive on unmario?-- 11:42, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
 * He's inactive everywhere. Must be school.

Welcome Back!
Hey bud :) Yes I still use AIM, we can talk later. 19:44, 7 December 2007 (EST)
 * Xze is a bureaucrat, DP & Cobold are sysops, Plumber is a patroller. 00:11, 8 December 2007 (EST)
 * He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Tell me when you're on AIM. 08:56, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Welcome Back
What the header say.

Thanks! 17:24, 8 December 2007 (EST)

YAYZ! UR BACK!

Thanks! 17:24, 8 December 2007 (EST)

so wuts wit teh big inactivity?

School. 18:53, 8 December 2007 (EST)

What the other guys have said. Glad to see you back. Blitzwing, previously know as Glowsquid and Gofer.

Gofer! Or whatever your name is now. Glad to see ya! 18:53, 8 December 2007 (EST)
 * My name's Blitzwing now.

Blitzwing

GREETINGS, GOOD FRIEND! What's up? It's been a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time since I last talked with you. 0_0
 * Heh, good to know I've got more work ahead of me! =P Also, thanks for the congratulation. =) Our Other buddy was also promoted! =D BTW, Sprite Comics have gotten very popular now. I even started making My own sprite Comic, in case your interested. =P
 * Well, most of these sprite Comics feature a sign up, or, an "invite", if you will. Or, you can simply ask the creator if you can be in. =P You can sign up for my Comic here. =) I look forward to working with you again on the Wiki. =)

RE: SSBM
I'm still trying to get SSBM FA, sort of. The problem currently hindering me is lack of time and the fact that I'm still missing an image which I think is important to explain Tournament Mode. Thanks, anyway. :) - 06:49, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Rock3r
Yay your back!

Dummy? 15:34, 9 December 2007 (EST)

I cant beleive your back, this is gonna be like old times again

Alphaclaw? 15:41, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah

Comic
Any empty space means an open position. However, if a certain role has no empty spaces left, it means it is taken. =| Simple enough? =3 And, thanks! =D
 * Really? Too bad I suck at animation. =3 Thank-a you so much for-a signing up for my Comic! =P
 * Thanks. I heard you were an expert spriter from several people. :) I haven't even started work on my next Comic! D: In fact, I'll start right now! :D But, Church is in two Hours, so, I'd better try and do as much as I can! 0_0

YEEP
You changed your name AGAIN?! Are you gonn be more active to earn it? :P
 * I only make HUGE articles out of scratch every so often, so I don't need to worry 'bout dat.

Xzelion
Did xzelion retire?

Oh yeah you're right I forgot about the finals in the upcoming three weeks.

Peach Blossom
Hey, Knife. I just wanted to apologize for my comment on the history page of Peach Blossom. I've been very stressed out lately and I took it out on you, so I apologize. If you didn't see it, please keep it that way. There was no name calling or attacks, but there was no reason I needed to split hairs over the fact that you missed changing a pronoun of all things. Anyway, I hope that if you did read it, it didn't get you down. I'll try to keep my emotions more intact from now on. 00:09, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * Sounds good. Would it be okay if I divided the stages of the attack into sub-headers, like the three "equal signs"?  I just like the way it looks better than just paragraphs.  21:26, 17 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hey, no problem. The more I listen the less time I'll spend writing stuff that will ultimately be deleted!  The reason I would argue for the inclusion of the section on what Peach can do after the attack is because she has several options that really increase the effectiveness of the attack.  I'll look at the article and see what I can do right now.  21:37, 17 December 2007 (EST)

New Comic
Hey Knife and whoever else happens to be reading this, I'm working on a new comic and I could really use some help finding sprites and pics for the comic. This may be difficult, so I'm going to give three weeks (due January 15) to find them all. The specific kind of sprites and pics I'm looking for are mentioned on the comic page. If you don't want to help, that's fine, but I could really use your help and whoever else wants to. You can sign up on the comic page as well. Thanks! -
 * Oh well, I don't really know much about finding sprites either. However, I would be interested in making a sprite sheet for my user page.  You would know how to make those, huh?  That'd be great if you could tell me how, I'm clueless.  I'll give you credit for it, if you want.  Merry Christmas!  Glitchman 10:27, 20 December 2007 (PT)
 * Yeah, that's fine. I don't know what exact questions you had in mind, but I would like a fairly large sprite sheet that has all of the characters, enemies, and objects from the original Mario Bros. (NES version) game.  Whatever other questions you had in mind, just leave them on my talk page.

13:26, 20 December 2007 (PT)
 * Oooohhhhhhhh, okay. That's even better.  What kind of questions would you want to ask, then? -

1. Blue,Green

2. Bahamutt

3. Soccer

4. Club

5. Super Mario Bros. Thanks! - 13:49, 20 December 2007 (PT)
 * If the character has to walk on two legs, then Luigi. Just wondering, but is it actually harder to make four legs, or what?

- 14:56, 20 December 2007 (PT)
 * No problem, they're from SMRPG anyway.

- 15:24, 20 December 2007 (PT)

Merry Christmas
Merry christmas and a happy new year :)

Comic
The sign up is complete, but I've noticed, there are plenty of Users still eager to sign up. OK, I'm expanding the list... AGAIN! =D
 * That's a yes to signing him up. XP

Name
Why did you change your name back?-- 12:16, 24 December 2007 (EST)

My Sprites
Hey Knife, how are those sprites coming along? I haven't heard from you in almost two weeks now. - 10:02, 31 December 2007 (PT)

Uhmmm, Knife....it's been FIFTEEN DAYS since you said you would start making the sprites, and you said you'd have 'em ready in a week! I need that sprite for a comic, so if there's a problem or something please tell me. -

Thanks for getting it ready. The link you gave me to the sprites doesn't exist though, did you just spell it wrong or something? -

Hey Knife, did you ever get those sprites to work? - Glitchman

Hmmmm...is it because the file is too large? Or have you never been able to upload anything on the Wiki?

Oh...that's a problem. Are you sure it isn't the site in question? Maybe it's blocked, because some sites you can go onto but can't click on or do anything on until it's unblocked.

Well, you might want to try pasting my sprites on Microsoft Word, saving it under your pictures, then uploading them through the wiki. That might filter out the problem. Tell me if you managed to upload them.

RE: Super Mario Bros. Movie
Thanks for the responce. :) I was thinking about this, and I don't think I would have ended up finishing it anyway, so... thanks.  I'll see you around.  00:16, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Hi
I haven't seen you for awhile.

Oops!
Sorry about abandoning you in chat! Something important came up and I forgot about our conversation entirely! By the way, I do think "Peachy", an adjective that describes something as being "like a peach" is important to the Peach article because it shows people how peaches are viewed in the kingdom. Basically, positive. 20:54, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know if you know, but this topic is being discussed on Manual of Style's talk page. Cobold and I decided not to change the format until we figure out what to do, so if we decide not to go with my edit, then I'll revert it back to yours (which was really good, btw), 'k?  Please join the discussion, alright?  17:56, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * Good. I look forward to it.  20:39, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * I saw in that page you linked that remakes happen at the same time as the original. You may want to check the character articles for those involved in Super Mario 64 DS.  I noticed in passing that Mario's article lists it as a separate adventure from Super Mario 64.  16:06, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Hey, about the "appearance" section. Would you be against it still if I changed it into a history section and wrote in paragraph from about how the use of the peach has developed in the series's history? Let me know. After our discussion I was considering how "list-like" it was, and the fact that lists are generally considered bad encyclopedia-ing. In any case, look forward to it being changed a lot more in the near future... unless something weird happens to me and I can't get to it. 16:06, 3 February 2008 (EST)

She's done. I'll be waiting for you to make any final comments and see if you still want a proposal. It stayed an appearance section, because the history thing was just pathetic. And horribly long. And worthless. 21:21, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Yeah...
Yeah, I would continue, but I'm fed up with all the nonsense. Toadette 4evur keeps making stupid arguments, Time Q hates me, and I've now made the biggest proposal on the entire wiki. I'm just tired of the whole thing. But coming from you, I might reconsider. Thanks!

Nah, thanks, your vote convinced me to keep going. I really don't care anymore if everyone hates me. Thank you again. :D

Peachy
If you don’t mind me saying so, please keep in mind what the article was like before I edited it. Comparing what the article is now and your edit, there’s a big difference. I need to know, is your edit is your ideal version of the article? If so, please judge it basd on your own criteria: it goes against plenty of other articles as well. As we see with articles with sections on personalities and relationships (ie Mario), one can see that we're not here to simply list out something or someone's appearances. We're to think bigger than a list of appearances with no account taken for the overall role in the Marioverse.

I would also ask that you completely re-read the article if you have not done so already. You will notice that I have taken special consideration to focus on game play and out-of-universe content in the appearance section. It is my opinion, and one previously established by other articles, that a good article includes both in-universe and historical information.

However, I know you have spent a great deal of time on your critique, so I will take the time to address everything you said point by point. It’s long, but please read it all. What I have quoted at the beginning of each bullet is your quote.


 * "I thought we agreed on no boxart (or release dates for that matter). Makes loading times slower." Yes, we did.  But, no official decision has been reached for the time being, and while you were absent I noticed what was lost when you remove the box art.  Remember, later in your critique you noted that my new chart made everything look nicer.  I considered our discussion thoroughly and concluded this: massive amounts of images are allowed on articles for the purpose of enhancing the writing and providing a visual idea for those unfamiliar with the series.  Additionally, it helps those who learn better through integrated visual and text, such as myself.  It is inconsistent to say that, even though the box art enhances the writing, it is not allowed because it is of little importance to the article.  Multiple artwork from Mario Party 7, for example, is less helpful.  Mario looks the same as he does previously.  So what?  Yet, pictures of box art in a history section help adjust the reader’s mind to the appropriate timeline.  As you know, many readers think in terms of systems rather than years.  Box art is a great way to show which era you are in.  Additionally, how much more time does it take for you to load this article in comparison to another article with many more pictures?  Like you have said, consistency is key.  The release dates: because the Wiki should accurately record history, as established by previous articles, the release dates are completely valid.  If you are still unconvinced, think of it as the answer to the question, "When was this addition to the Marioverse made" thing.  As you know, most changes happen first in Japan (think Super Princess Peach... big difference between original release and American release), so it is particularly important to record that the additions happened in a certain order for a Wiki which has more than 95% viewer base in America.
 * "The history section is redundant because obviously peaches grow on trees. Or any fruit for that matter." Remember, grapes, cucumbers, tomatoes, berries etc. etc. etc. grow on bushes, vines, etc. in the real world. But what about the Marioverse?  Remember Yoshi's berries in Super Mario World?  First level, you clearly see them attached to bushes.  Obviously, it is important to note that we’re talking about a tree fruit.
 * "You might as well say on all fruit articles that they grow on trees." I would hope that they do… except for the berries. After all, would a first-time viewer know that grapes grow on trees in the Marioverse (Super Happy Tree) rather than vines.
 * "If an article is based off of something in real-life, only explain the features that are different about the generic item in the Marioverse." No. A huge no.  There is a converse point you are forgetting.  Don't forget that everything that applies to a subject present in the real world doesn't apply in Mushroom World.  Peaches are never referred to as prunus persico.  Neither were they traded on the Silk Road.  Plus, think about it: should we not mention that Yoshi Island bees are tiny and build hives?  It is important that viewers know both what is the same and different about a subject such as this.
 * "We could pretty much explain everything about Lava in the real world, that it melts things, that it is made from molten rocks, etc.. So a whole section explaining how Peaches grow is not good." No, you can't explain everything about lava. Which game/comic/etc. are you referring to when you say it is made of molten rocks?  None of them explicitly say it… and I don’t believe any imply it either.  So, in this case I disagree with you fully... a section explaining that Peaches grow instantaneously (that's a big difference) and only in select locations is important.  Peaches are near global in our world and take months to grow.  Where would you have us note these differences if we do not have a section on growth?
 * "The rest of the history section is better off being explained in the Appearances section." Don't you want appearances removed?  I'm guessing you're probably mistyped... please clarify.  Do you mean the appearances in your suggested rewrite?
 * "What are alternate storylines? Does it have something to do with canonicity?" I would use "Appearances in other Media" except that Smash Bros. is a video game. Neither Momotaro or Smash deserves it's own section right now.  As I mentioned earlier, canonicity has nothing to do with this.  However, the other article you linked me to, regarding separation of sports series, etc., does, and I have kept to it as close as I could.
 * "Why do we need to put it in table form? Although it does look nicer, it is horribly inconsistent with the other articles." If you don’t mind me “calling you” on this, you mean that rather than initiate an improvement that you deem "nicer" throughout the Wiki, you'd rather go for consistency? Policy is made and changed by people seeing what formats are nicer.  For example, please see the talk page for "Peach Blossom" -- this issue came up after I expanded it and my expansion made the article inconsistent with the other Final Smash attacks.  It was more informative, nicer, and overall what the Wiki was looking for, but inconsistent in format with the under-developed Final Smash attacks in amount of content and format.  The fact that this is developed more than other articles of similarly important subjects should not be an issue for you.
 * "Why are there section for every single time peaches have been mentioned? Appearing physically in a game is worthy of its own sub-section, but just saying the phrase "Peachy" does not need its own sub-section." I mention the SMRPG and MK64 uses in the same section. The subject, peaches, as well as their impact on Mushroom World society are important, as established by other articles on the Wiki. Yes, there aren't characters directly referring to peaches, but peachy refers to peaches as we know from the canonical English language, and from its use as a pun in the Japanese SMRPG, in which Toadstool was referred to as Princess Peach.
 * "Probably belongs in a merged sub-section of the times it has been mentioned (also, what does saying Peachy have to do with the item Peach?)" I just explained the second part. The concept of the appearance section is to show how the subject impacted each game, not how it impacted overall, as is described in the rest of the article.  You could also suggest that we merge Super Princess Peach and Momotaro because in both cases it is used as a symbol and shown to split open... but that wouldn’t make much sense.  In the same way, SMRPG describes taste, MK64 describes an event.  So, the peachy statements are very different in meaning as well as being separated in games.  It is the job of the appearance section to note history and separation by game/comic/etc., not to blend and generalize.
 * "Yes, the article will lose a lot of content if we apply these changes, but quality is always more important than quantity." Let me ask you a somewhat rhetorical question: you'd rather have the Banana article, for example, to talk about its use in the DK series very clearly and beautifully, but then miss any of the following appearances: Yoshi's Story, Brawl, Mario Kart, or Mario Sunshine? It's missing SMS, btw, and I'm working to add that in as well as making the article clearer.  In short, quality and quantity are important.  One should not be sacrificed on account of the other, but the two should be exhibited in all articles.  This is a well-established concept that is the backbone of our Featured Article policy.

Plus, this article has both, really: it shows very clearly what it is (Growth), how it has affected Mushroom World (Common Use, Donkey Kong's Encounter, Peach Hit Five, Peach Blossom), discusses appearances in other media (Momotaro), and furthermore goes beyond what most articles do and even discusses peaches' real world history in terms of the Mario series. That's a pretty complete article if you ask me. If one wishes to improve the quality of the article, one is to rewrite and add missing details, not remove parts that are "badly formatted" or "badly written" without rewriting them. If you still wish to remove all that you have discussed with me, even after all of our discussions, then I have many other articles that you and I should go through for the purpose of consistency. How about Crystal Coconut? Good article, but it does not explain the distinction between the vast differences between the show’s and the games’ portrayals. Rather, it lists appearances, falling under “quantity.” However, there is no “Appearances in other media” section, as required by Wiki policy. Yet, neither you nor I will remove all mentions of the show in order to improve its quality of the way it describes in-game appearances. Do you see where I’m coming from? You shouldn’t remove the sections that you find badly presented without ensuring that they remain in the article. And, as this is a Wiki, you are free to edit the peach article so that it portrays ALL of the information that is applicable and removing only what is extraneous. History is not extraneous.

Remember, you are on the side that a censored quote from Bob Hoskins is better than removing it all together. In other words, you are not deleting information but are into improving the article. What is the different about the peach article? 22:09, 6 February 2008 (EST)