User talk:Trig Jegman

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When moving files
Just an advice. When you move files, you don't need to capitalize words, you just need to move the extension. For example: When you want to move a file called File:Mario and luigi.PNG, you don't need to capitalize "Luigi", you only need to move to "File:Mario and luigi.png". See what i did with File:Boo blah.png. -- 02:16, May 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Since they're moving the file anyway, might as well fix any other mistakes in the name while they're at it. There's nothing wrong with that. 02:26, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I know there is nothing wrong, i'm just telling him that capitalizing a word is unneeded, and what really matters is the extension. -- 02:31, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * They don't have to, but if they want to do that together with the extension, let them. 02:40, May 21, 2019 (EDT)

While doing the above is great, why remove the parenthesis from file names? They're easy to type, and the filename is already clear as to what it is. 16:35, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Additionally, while it's great that you're keeping consistency, some of the images you're moving don't necessary need moving. If the name of the subject is clear, the image does not need to be moved. I don't mind deleting things that need to be deleted, but you're moving more images than you need to. 00:44, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * Renaming to lowercase extension ("File:TopReactorBeginning.PNG" to "File:SMG Lava Reactor Green Platforms.png") is okay.
 * Renaming for clarity ("File:Thwomp.png" to "File:SMG Thwomp Artwork.png") is okay.
 * "File:Rosalina SM3DW.png" to "File:SM3DW Rosalina Super Galaxy.png" just seems a little pointless, they both mean the same thing.
 * Removing one character ("File:MSC - Concept art - Kritter.jpg" to "File:MSC Concept Art - Kritter.jpg") is even more pointless.
 * Aditionally, the examples such as Petapeta and Banekiti are among those Alex 95 cited. -- 02:24, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * I can understand Alex not being keen to the hyphens, but to that I cite "Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.), superfluous words, conversational names and any other padding that may make names longer and more complicated than they need to be." from the image use policy, as well as me personally suggesting that almost all files in that area were being renamed to be appropriate to begin with, and that this only re-affirmed the consistency amongst them. In the future, I will avoid doing this without more reason to do so.


 * I'd also like to mention that I didn't even do one of these, nor would I have moved that file on it's name anyway. Furthermore, Petapeta and Banekiti were renamed to be accurate to the official name of the enemy as it currently is. Maybe my understanding is wrong, but it was generally understood by to me that file names be accurate to the file. If this is no longer the case, I am willing to completely ignore such inaccurate files, but this requires actually knowing whether or not to do it. This may stem from no clear policy on the approach to name generalizations to exact names. Trig - 15:17, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, since I was the one who moved the SM3DW file in question, I'd like to point out that I did so as a naming conflict rename, because its name was too similar to the name of another image (I forgot which image), and I felt that was a good reason to rename it to avoid confusion. -- 15:21, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.)" - In that case, the second dash should've also been removed, but in all honesty, I don't really know why that rule is there. I can understand brackets, since that can mess with coding, but hyphens are usually easy to type...
 * "I didn't even do one of these" - My bad.
 * "Petapeta and Banekiti were renamed to be accurate to the official name of the enemy as it currently is." - That is totally fine. Renaming an image to fit an article's name is acceptable.
 * "file names be accurate to the file" - This is still true, and that's my point. If the name is already accurate, it doesn't need changing.
 * "I'd like to point out that I did so as a naming conflict rename" - @Supermariofan67, thanks for clarifying. 00:48, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * What really is necessary is the extension, not if the file has a conjectural name in it. Also, the beta images renaming was completely unnecessary. -- 13:59, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It certainly was not unnecessary, as policy intentionally tries to avoid using Beta. If pages shouldn't be using it, neither should files. Furthermore, conjectural names are not always correct or representative of an image, either due to a different image being uploaded, or an official name being found. Trig - 16:02, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It may be beneficial for you to read both the Image use policy and my terminology section to get a better understanding of why I do things. It's not because it has no purpose. As stated before by Mario JC and insinuated by Alex, it does not hurt to fix the main file name if something is wrong, including information in the file name. Trig - 16:32, August 11, 2019 (EDT)

Moving Files on WiKirby
Seeing as you move so many files on mario wiki, would you be interested in helping move files on WiKirby? There's quite a bit of uppercase-extension files there, especially on here (and yes, you can change to monobook skin via your preferences if you don't like default layout). Just an offer since you're such a help here :) Results May Vary (talk) 16:53, June 1, 2019 (EDT)


 * That is a consideration of mine once I get most of the stuff done here, or at least have other people doing this besides me. As of now, there is a lot here to manage before I do other wikis. Short answer: Maybe, but not now. Trig - 09:55, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Do you ever get tired of moving file names? :P Results May Vary (talk) 11:42, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Never. Trig - 11:44, June 2, 2019 (EDT)

WhatLinksHere
You should check Special:WhatLinksHere (it's under "tools" on the left navigation pane) for the old file names rather than just the "File usage" header before marking them for deletion, as the latter doesn't show file page links like this. 21:59, June 3, 2019 (EDT)


 * Darn, and I usually catch those too. Sorry! Trig - 16:35, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

Undergrunt image
Why did you tag that Undergrunt image with the image-quality tag? It's in high res because of fpv, iirc, I spoke with the person who took it before they did to ensure it'd be good enough. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:48, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Image quality
You were already notified about this. Stop marking images with unless there's a good reason (e.g. a watermark) or they're poor enough quality that they need to be reuploaded (i.e. not every single jpg that already shows what it needs to show in adequate quality). Some images were only available in jpg in the source they came from anyway. 02:46, June 20, 2019 (EDT)

Inactive users
Telling someone a file on their userpage has been moved is good, but an inactive user likely won't see the message. Just keep it to active users, and anyone can correct the files on their page themselves if they see it's broken. 15:41, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

File .jpg
Do you know any active users who create or can create image files called File .jpg? Lord Falafel (talk) 17:30, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * You mean upload files as .jpg? Anyone can do that, when it is named as such and assuming the file is jpg. Trig - 17:32, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * You wouldn't mind doing that for me, would you? Please? Lord Falafel (talk) 17:34, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Not a mind at all. Go ahead and do what you need to get it to me. Trig - 17:36, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * This link leads to a picture that needs a jpg file. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q165133918 Lord Falafel (talk) 17:39, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's called super Mario seesaw takeover and it was made by Banpresto and officially licensed by Nintendo. Please send the jpg file to me on my talk page when the jpg has been created. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:53, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

File can be found at File:Super Mario Yoshi Ride.jpg (and if you move it, let me know to fix my page here). If it weren't for the fact that I've seen you flinging yourself everywhere to get this stuff, I'd have thought this was some form of malicious intent because this computer bombed hard trying to get to the page. No idea how to categorize or copyright it though, so please do that as soon as you can (use to do so) pretty clear who's responding here - 17:57, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * I messed up telling you about those battery cars. If you look up @yamapen3 Mario on Google images, you will be shown various arcade games they found throughout Japan. They use anime girls as their profile pictures. If you have the color setting option on Google images, click red for the Mario battery car I described to you and green for the yoshi battery car I described to you. And make sure the images you send me have no anime girls on the pictures and that no one is riding the battery cars. Please help me with this. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:56, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * I'm all for getting images, but hunting things down is not how I operate. Not only have you not described battery cars to me, but I am not going to engage in anything involving Google besides their electronic mail. There are plenty of other people that would do this for you, but I am not one of them. My apologies. Trig - 22:05, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Furthermore, I'm more than happy to help a person once, but I have plenty of my own work to do. I try to say this honestly and nicely when I say that it feels like you're forcing this project of yours upon others; and based on your last talk page block of test, forcing on myself. I urge you to please seek elsewhere. Trig - 22:12, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Ok. I will do that. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:21, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

RE: From one file czar to another
Although I don't own any of the games you mentioned (or have much interest in the Mario sports games), I definitely plan to work on plenty of other ones when I'm done with SMG/2, but since those two games are such a massive project I'm trying to focus a lot on getting those ones as perfect as I can before I move on. Specifically, I plan to work on Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario 64, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and probably many others. Also, my userpage has a list of games I own if you're curious what else I could work on. As for how I capture the images, I follow 's amazing, though slightly outdated, guide. Specifically, I use the Dolphin emulator for Wii/GCN, the method described on my userpage for Wii U, and the built-in screenshot function for Switch.

Thank you also for the amazing work you do! I imagine it must be boring and tedious, but necessary. If you want to learn more about what I do and some technical stuff related to images, read my userpage and the above-mentioned Wildgoosespeeder guide. You may also be interested in reading older talk page discussions by, , and. Though they are no longer active users, they are probably some of our wiki's most influential file maintainers. -- 21:52, July 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you'd like, you can link your demonstration image on my talk page. -- 23:22, July 4, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you, I have noted those files and will reupload them soon. If you come across any more, would you mind adding them to to section of my sandbox here? -- 22:13, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * No mind at all. Thanks. Trig - 22:15, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding "Honey is not an item" in your notes section, I removed Honey from the SMG2 article altogether, because it doesn't even appear in the game; it only appears in SMG. -- 22:09, July 11, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. I can wait a bit, since I’ll be starting my project by going through the galaxies, which will be all over the alphabet. There’s a lot of other stuff I can work on until you’re done. I may work on renaming files for Super Mario 3D World and helping with getting images. How long do you estimate it will be until you finish? I’d prefer not to wait more than 2 weeks to start SMG because I want to finish it by the end of August. -- 19:33, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * If I tryhard enough, I will be done or really close to one in a week (depending on thurs, maybe even by then). Trig - 20:38, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

That's a good point, thanks! I won't worry about this recent one, but I'll definitely keep that in mind in the future. -- 15:38, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

Okay great! I'll start tomorrow. -- 21:39, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah I think that alphabetize template is an awesome idea! One suggestion I have would be to add a parameter for the user to specify a request for another sort order other than alphabetical (e.g., "It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in release-date order.") as other sort orders are common and I have seen many character screenshot galleries that aren't sorted properly. BTW about the PNG template you may be interested in reading this past proposal by Wildgoosespeeder. I think I agree with your idea, and I suggest taking into consideration the wording on the proposal's corresponding PNG template, both in the template itself and the intended usage listed on that page. One suggestion I have that deviates from that past proposal is naming the template something like, or better yet instead of  as in my opinion that would be a more accurate description of what's needed. Great idea though, as the image-quality category has become very crowded and I like the idea of splitting it between extremely horrible-quality, high-priority-to-replace images and sub-optimal, but not as horrible images (in this case non-png screenshots (your template)). -- 22:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Sure, I can help a little. However, probably not until later in the week as I'm still finishing up SMG and I'll be busy with school starting Monday. -- 22:01, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Absolutely zero pressure. I will assign you to a small portion, and will check back in like a month or two. Thank you kindly! It means a lot. See the main sandbox for what files you will be moving on the chart. If you can't get them due to time, let me know sooner than later and I can swing around and get them when I have time. Trig - 22:08, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Okay great! -- 22:14, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Ok, I finished those. Let me know if you need me to do any more. -- 22:52, August 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * If you want to take the last segment be my guest, just let me know. Trig - 07:59, August 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sure! I'll try to do it by the end of next week. -- 16:43, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

Ugly Green Frog and Fat Man
Bazooka Mario loved giving files ridiculous names back in the day, but stopped many many years ago. No reason to complain about them now. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:24, July 2, 2019 (EDT)


 * not really complaining, just means more needless work in fixing things. that's just the way the world spins, though. oh well. Trig, the guy that is really uptight about file names - 22:26, July 2, 2019 (EDT)

File:Blue Extra Live Balloon DKC2.png
want to rename the "Live" in filename to "Life"? This will fix the spelling & save me the effort of renaming it myself (seeing as you're already doing this big job at it). Thanks Results May Vary (talk) 16:35, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

Trig Image Example
Files linked, and not displayed, such as File:Trig Demonstration Example File.png used here, will not appear unless 'What Links Here' is pressed. Trig

RE: Replace Text
Only the proprietor can do that, however it's not necessary to fix the image links if they're on userspace (especially those of inactive users). The reason there are so many links is because it's on this page, which is transcluded into those user talk pages.

Wario Land Series Images
I think you might want to check over the images for the first three Wario Land games to see if there are any files that still need to be changed - most importantly, Wario Land 3, as there are many files for that game that still have capitalized extensions or have wrong names. Perhaps you could put this game next in your queue? Power Flotzo (talk) 22:29, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was hinted to me that quite a few of em changed. It'll be a few months before I get to that point but your input is noted and appreciated. Trig - 22:34, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

In regards to the delete-revision template
I mainly had it made to alert admins of accidental or repeated reuploads (which happens a lot), vandalism, and edit wars (and so people would stop bugging about it). If it's just three or four revisions on an image, even if duplicate, it doesn't really need the revisions deleted. Not every image needs to be knocked down to two revisions just for the heck of it. I deleted some already before deciding the amount you had marked was incredibly excessive, but I'll continue going through them to see if anything actually needs removed. Otherwise, it isn't really worth the effort to delete one or two revisions from an image with only three or four. 00:59, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

Unused
Wow. There's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of unused Super Mario Maker 2 images. Are we saving those for any reason, or should I start trying to integrate and purge? Trig - 09:35, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Your thoughts
I have a few questions for you.


 * What do you think of special characters (like & + ! .) in filenames? I personally try to include them (such as in Mario & Luigi or King K. Rool).
 * How do you feel about filenames that are all bunched together like File:ACloudyDay MinionQuest.png?
 * Many Super Mario Maker filenames have arbitrary dashes (like File:SMM-SMB-BuzzyBeetleShell.png), a plague that is also impacting Super Mario Maker 2. What do you think about these? Should they be moved to be just normal spaces? 23:49, July 15, 2019 (EDT)


 * Per my little walkthrough, as well as the image use policy ("Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.), superfluous words, conversational names and any other padding that may make names longer and more complicated than they need to be"), I am highly against any punctuation that isn't a hyphen, including parenthesis. Usually, however, I don't mess with parentheses or hyphens (unless there are many unneeded or inconsistent ones). Things like exclamation points, ampersands, and more than one period should DEFINITELY be removed when possible. The Mario and/& Luigi RPG files are definitely something to look at later down the road.


 * I don't prefer bunched together file names, but don't mess it unless I'm changing something else anyway. If you're naming a file, don't combine em, but it's not needed to move for that reason alone.


 * I haven't looked at many Super Mario Maker (or 2)'s files, but those hyphens to me seem appropriate to the file types. It denotes the game (SMM) and the subset of said game (SMB, in your example). Stuff that doesn't need a hyphen but uses one is a file like File:Mario Spin Art - Super Mario Galaxy.png.
 * I am happy to answer any further questions you may have. Trig - 16:07, July 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * Thank you for responding.


 * This wiki can be... not the most logical at times.


 * Sometimes they completely ruin naming schemes. If I want to find an image of, say, Big Showdown on a Little Star, I'll first look for "SMM2 Big Showdown on a Little Star.png" Not "BigShowdownonaLittleStar SMM2.png"


 * It's even more annoying to type needless dashes instead of spaces. 18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * That is not in my control. Please do not complain here about this. Files are at various lives here, some 8 years old and some ten minutes. Rarely will any be uploaded in large numbers with a consistent naming scheme, and it's frankly impossible to truly have a perfect naming structure. If you'd like to move files for Super Mario Maker, the only thing stopping you is your own scale of time. I'm only here to attempt to standardize, not to complain about actions of people 7+ years ago. Furthermore, please let me format my talk page. Trig - 20:42, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Questions about MTA icons
Quick question, when renaming international game icons, should we mention the fact that they are the international icon. Take File:Mario Tennis Aces logo.png for example. Should it just be renamed File:MTA logo.png, or File:MTA international icon.png? Also, should language names be abbreviated? So for example should File:MTA JPLogo.jpg be renamed to File:MTA JP Logo.jpg or File:MTA Japanese logo.jpg? Thanks for your help. 17:18, July 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * None of these above need renamed (unless there's an extension NCR). Like, zero of them need renamed. Generally speaking for logos, there is only two: Japanese and not-Japanese. For this, File:"Filename" logo is appropriate for the not-Japanese and File:"Filename" JP Logo should be used for the Japanese version. If there is a third (PAL/Korea), it should be specified. Remember, everything here is based off the American version of things.


 * Similarly for game boxes, File:"Filename" "Region" box art is appropriate.


 * My words are in no means the official way, but it what I have noticed historically and attempt to repeat should logo names be moved. Thank you for your question. Trig - 19:51, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the response! 20:47, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Talk pages w/ proposals
Please do not mark talk pages with proposals for deletion. They should be kept for historical reference. 10:22, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

Talk Pages
Just because they haven't been used in a long while doesn't mean they fit the criteria for deletion, especially not if they contain questions and comments relevant to developing the article. -- 21:23, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

What Lord Grammaticus said. Talk pages with any kind of discussion shouldn't be deleted either. You've been told this in summaries and had your edits reverted several times already, just leave them. 21:25, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Question
What's a red dead? Lord Falafel (talk) 22:58, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not Trig but I've been waiting to say this. It's either a ReDead or a contraction of "dead red link" or "red & dead" (a rhyming phrase to describe a red link) Results May Vary (talk) 23:00, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Red, dead links as rmv threw in as I was writing this . In short, files that no longer exist. They appear as red links instead of blue. Since they do not exist anymore, I am removing them to remove the fluff on the page. This makes it easier to view what files still need helping. Trig the tired - 23:02, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Delete tag
What difference does using the tag make if it's deleted anyway? I noticed it was done so I went ahead with it so you didn't need to. 22:20, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It causes some weird issues with What Links Here, and doesn't always show what is left. I like to replace everything, especially when it comes to my sandbox and the preservation of The RAP Test. it is also so that I feel confident that I didn't forget to actually delete it, but that is a little less important.  Trig - 22:25, August 11, 2019 (EDT)

Dash vs Hyphen
Coming off of the discussion that was in Discord, there may be confusion over the two symbols. A dash (-) is what's normally seen in file names, and I think is perfectly fine to have, as it's pretty easy to type on most keyboards, even mobile. A hyphen (—) is something that isn't seen on most keyboards, I had to use the special characters selection to make it appear, which isn't something that should be used in file names.

So while hyphens should be removed, I don't think dashes should be if the name is already clear enough. Like "File:Dorrie Screenshot - New Super Mario Bros.png" was perfectly fine. I know the image use policy specifically mentions "dashes", but I want to talk to Porple about that at some point... 12:24, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think it's the other way around. Hyphens (-) are found on keyboards, while the three different types of dashes (–, —, and ―, which are longer than hyphens) are not. See Dash and Hyphen. -- 18:22, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Er, those are actually es. 18:40, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * No. – (U+2013) is an En-dash. — (U+2014) is an Em-dash. ― (U+2015) is a horizontal bar dash. ‐ (U+2010) is a hyphen. - (U+002D) is a hyphen-minus. − (U+2212) is a minus sign. -- 19:05, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Hate to be the guy but it does not matter what it is called because neither of them should really be used in file names. This is now a discussion for elsewhere. Trig - 21:29, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

Catch Card help
Guess I'll help out with the first 20 Catch Cards. May not get all 20 finished today, but I'll try my best. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 22:08, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

Re:In terms of welcome
It is still used. Quite frequently, too. See. If it was abandoned then it would say so on that page. 12:49, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Sheet music images
Yes, please. That sounds awesome. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:28, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Stick a fork in it -- I'm done!
Just finished the 60th Catch Card. Took almost half-an-hour if I'm not mistaken. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Wow! Thanks a lot. Definitely a big time saver for me. Trig - 23:08, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Meh
Ah, well. Again, sorry. I hope I will not get any warnings. Oh, and, for anything else, I'm male. That Guy (talk) 18:53, August 21


 * Are you still there? Yello? That Guy (talk) 19:18, August 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Please be patient. I takes a bit to respond, and users are not active 24/7. 19:21, August 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Alright, though mind you, he made an edit just 2 minutes before my first post here. That Guy (talk) 19:29, August 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Okay, I know he was on. Just check https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Trig_Jegman&action=history. That Guy (talk) 21:17, August 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * I'm not dead, but I also didn't see a need to respond. Trig - 07:57, August 22, 2019 (EDT)


 * As the title says, meh. The reason this whole thing started was because of the sandbox edits.  You know, The whole "Negative One dash One"?  That's what this was for.  Sorry for bugging you, and for my great tendency to say "sorry".  This was not made with any hostility, so please don't get angry at me.   I really, really need to think a bit more, because, if you edited this, then you read this, and you did edit this, as you can see in the link above.  If you wish, you may delete this after you read this, though it is unnecessary to tell you this, as this is your talk page.  Hope I didn't make this too long. That Guy (talk) 15:02, August 22, 2019 (EDT) A.Κ.A.,  Nobody Important.


 * And if you make any sort of edit to this section, I'll know you read this, so you don't even have to respond, though that may have been the reason you edited this section the first time.


 * There is no need to continue. Please leave me alone. Trig - 20:06, August 22, 2019 (EDT)


 * Okay. Good-Bye. That Guy (talk) 20:10, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

Sprite direction
The directions sprites face should not conform to some user-defined system. They should be accurate to how thy are in-game. In the case of Russ T., he normally is seen facing to the right (iirc) simply because that is not only his default direction, but where the door of his house is relative to him. Additionally, Rosie outright can't face left, so attempting to apply that there is outright ludicrous. Much like the "three equals signs" thing here I'm not conforming to, accidentally initially and deliberately by the time of this edit to my initial comment. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:13, September 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sorry if I was grouchy earlier, I just prefer that things be transparent (figuratively) and fully-thought-through in their reasoning. I understand why you were doing it, it just doesn't work while staying game-accurate, you know? Enforced variety is truly the bane of any system. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:41, September 17, 2019 (EDT)

Further regarding file moves
Regarding symbols, a couple of users have had some complaints about how you are handling file names, so I'm going to ask you to hold off on moving files that have any symbols in them until I can resolve the matter and figure out the best step forward. 23:39, September 25, 2019 (EDT)

Userspace policy question
How exactly am I violating the userspace policy? I haven't edit it in 6 years and it looks like it follows the policy to me. -- It's Meester Tweester! 02:17, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * That wasn't my judgement. The file used in your signature has changed, however, to File:PM Tweester Sprite.png. That's all I was changing. Trig - 09:23, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's okay. But am I still violating userspace policy? I could change it if that's needed, I just don't know what the issue is. --PM Tweester Sprite.png It's Meester Tweester! 15:48, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * I changed my signature now. --PM Tweester Sprite.png It's Meester Tweester! 15:50, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * Maximum doubt you are and even if you were, six years is probably long enough for no one to care. Hope to see you around more! Trig - 15:53, September 27, 2019 (EDT)

Delete-revision
- Please stop marking files with the template when no evidence of an edit war is apparent. An image doesn't need to be knocked down to two or three revisions just because. 12:42, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Looking at the two files that you're most likely discussing:


 * File:Kuribobobo.png was flagged because it has the duplicate revision in it. The edit summary clearly indicated that the first was very slightly off, and generally duplicate and incorrect files do not need to remain.


 * File:Goomba.gif was flagged BECAUSE they are all different. For the purpose this file serves now, it does not make sense to keep the old revisions because they are from a different game. It is most significantly designated at this point to be used for SMB3 and should this user desire a different goomba sprite, they would either use a different pre-existing file or upload their own, as this is the only rendition of this file.


 * Trig - 14:30, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * The template was made for edit wars. There are no edit wars in the history of the images. All the revisions are different, and therefore do not fit the criteria for the template to be used. 14:33, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Indeed, seriously, cut it out. That is the sole reason that the template was even made in the first place. Not to destroy archive history, something we frown upon in general. This has been told to you multiple times, including from admins, and I'm honestly running out of patience with it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:44, September 29, 2019 (EDT)

"Mario-Treppe" stair image
- It's touched up for Advance, look at the shirt/overall colors. Lots of them did that, as with A Link to the Past for GBA. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:51, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Noted, thanks. Could you please specify which is which so I rename them accordingly? (I can't tell the difference) Trig - 15:53, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Blue overalls is always the Advance one between them, although it also may actually be touched up for Super Mario USA, in which case they are both SMB2. Lots were for that too, adding to confusion. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:51, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Does not help that a majority have multiple categories for their images. Thank you for the input. If you'd like, you could probably look through the list and indicate which goes where if you can tell. Trig - 21:54, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Honestly, we may want to hold off on moving those until we have more concise info. I've looked long and hard for a SMUSA manual pdf, but I only ever get the western SMB2 or the Japanese SMB2 (as in Lost Levels). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:50, September 29, 2019 (EDT)

On the delete template
The policy changing is no reason to delete a talk page with discussion on it. Destroying archive history is normally frowned upon. 20:40, October 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * The policy as I have interpereted it is that if it doesn't apply to the page or is forum speak, it can go. In this case, the question being asked no longer applies because the question was answered, just not on that specific page. We now use SMAS and NES art for the maps. There's no need to keep it, and this has historically been the case when I am moving files. I simply tagged it a little before I was going to move it. Now, should whomever looks at it decide it can stay, that's more than fine, but from what I understand, when things are N/A or forum talk, they are not to remain. As for the equal signs, it's due to the way I've set this page up and the subsections it has. Trig - 21:08, October 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Which talk page policy is this? If we're considering whether they've been answered or not then more than half of all talk pages would be removed. You've been told time and time again to leave pages with any kind of legitimate discussion alone and it's getting very tiresome, so stop now or there may be a reminder. If there is a talk page, just leave the "Move associated talk page" checkbox ticked. 23:28, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

Hyphens
I really don't see any reason to change just one character in a file. Hyphens aren't really that hard to type anyway. They're standard issue for keyboards these days. 11:09, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
 * it's mostly a consistency thing. Generally, I am trying to remove instances of hyphens that don't take place in the actual image's name. Yes, it may not be difficult to type, but it's not great if half of the MKDS (or any game, it seems) have hyphen separators while the other half do not. It also has created several NCRs, the one I remember the most recently is Electrokoopa vs Electro-koopa, although WL4 definitely had some that were akin to WL4-Image and WL4 Image. This isn't to say I won't delete ALL hyphens, as some deserve them (think of Puffer-Cheep). Trig - 18:25, October 9, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Map
Yes, I found all the battle minimaps and missing race track minimaps here, which is also where all the other maps came from that were uploaded by different users.

Spaces in image names for Cups
Hello! I'm working in a template for Mario Kart Tour Cup list that I'd like to standarize a little. Is there anissue if I transform to  ? That way the template needs us to write the correct name to work correctly. GamblerMario (talk) 16:18, October 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * It does not cause an issue if you're moving it, but do not upload two files, one as DonkeyKongCup and one as Donkey KongCup. Personally, I'd suggest moving it to be [[File:MKT Donkey Kong Cup Icon.png]], but that is just me. Trig - 16:21, October 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * Alright! I'll move that and all the rest. Regards! GamblerMario (talk) 16:27, October 16, 2019 (EDT)

RE:That can be found...
I'm aware, it's just that I accidentally linked to it as a subpage instead of a section. Thanks anyways though. 17:00, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding file name moving
You're moving them to less useful file names. The way the emblem files are set up is that they are neatly organized in Category:Mario Kart 8 Images where you find all the emblems in one place (since "Emblem" is ordered first) while also still being recognizable as Mario Kart 8 emblem files. After your move, they're now disorganized. I think all those move attempts should be reverted for that reason. 20:49, November 16, 2019 (EST)


 * I disagree, in concept, because it is now much more distinct between the normal emblems and the car horns, and everything is split to by character, which is used more for stats and profiles pages, making it be easier to find alphabetically. I affirm, logistically, that I generally had to move the car horns because they were identically named to the regular emblems, which needed to be renamed due to unclear naming. Trig - 20:55, November 16, 2019 (EST)
 * Besides, if one is trying to think of the naming of an emblem for a MK8 section, they aren't going to to think "I need the emblem of baby luigi in mario kart 8", but more likely "I need MK8's Baby Luigi emblem" Trig - 20:57, November 16, 2019 (EST)
 * If that's the case, you should add a horn modifier after Emblem (i.e. File:Emblem Horn Mii Blue MK8.png so it's differentiated from the kart emblems, not completely change the naming scheme. I also suggest you put color modifiers (like Red Yoshi to Yoshi Red) for the same reasons. Likewise, if there's a file name such as "File:Emblem mrob.png" you should move it to "File:Emblem MK8 Baby Mario.png" or "File:Emblem Baby Mario MK8.png" not "File:MK8 Baby Mario Emblem.png". Sure, being organized by character is fine but the characters are already very disorganized (I note that Baby Mario-related images are separated between "BabyMario" and "Baby Mario" with "Baby Luigi" in between; Larry has only the tangentially related "Larry Lights" "File: MK8 Larry Lights.png" which screenshot isn't even showing him), as well as there's no way to really organize starting with "Mario" since it concerns "Mario Kart". And most of the time, it's better to group related elements by image type (UI icon; screenies of character variations) rather than by character since the former. Even if you're going to organize by character, at least have the color modifier go after the character so we get all Yoshi/Mii/Sh Guy elements in one spot.


 * If someone needs a Baby Luigi emblem, they're going to look at the emblem section and find Baby Luigi's emblem here. Our galleries are already organized by ui type rather than character type so I think it makes sense for the categories to be the same thing. 21:09, November 16, 2019 (EST)

NSMBW Tower
The NSMBW manual calls them Fortresses. Hence that is their name in that game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:17, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * not only are the pages we have them called Towers (such as World 6-Tower (New Super Mario Bros. Wii), but there seems to be some naming confusion based off of the Trivia on Tower. Unless a clearer naming scheme is officially declared, I will continue to name them in relation to Tower as the pages are named. Trig - 18:25, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * They don't even look like towers, I fail to see how it's "confusion" to call them what the JP version called them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:30, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * I'll say that they behave identically to towers over fortresses, but the naming has changed multiple times leaving it unclear as to the intended name. I'd be more than happy to re-move things if a proposal happens and they change names, but if the page is named Tower and the images is of the page Tower than I am going to call it Tower. this reply made by airship gang - 18:42, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * They act and look just like the Fortresses in SMB3 and SMW. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:12, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * That they may look similar, but the behavior is which the level is completed (vertical vs. horizontal) is different. Trig - 19:18, November 21, 2019 (EST)
 * Oh hang on, I misremembered Morton's SMW castle as a Fortress. Regardless, I started a new discussion. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:25, November 21, 2019 (EST)

Mario Party 9 file moves
OK, here's an example of wholly superfluous file moves. The names were perfectly fine before, as they summed up their content without being too ambiguous and weren't overly long. The new ones are overly long. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:58, November 23, 2019 (EST)
 * I entirely disagree. The main issue stems from there being two or more screenshots of the same game, with different player amounts.

BlockandRoll-MP9.png and BlockAndRoll.png, for example, are the same minigame, with a difference of the people playing it. Want more examples? I have more examples:
 * File:Pizza Me Mario.jpg compared to File:PizzaMeMario.png
 * File:PeakPrecision-MP9.png to File:Peak Precision.png
 * File:WeirdWheels-1vs2-MP9.png to File:Weird Wheels.png


 * Another thing is that a good number of them aren't even named appropriately to the minigame at hand. Moving File:BlastOffIntoTheUnknown.png to File:MP9 Launch Break Blasting Off.png occured because the name has nothing to do with the minigame itself. For further example:


 * File:MP9 Minigame Bulletbill.png
 * File:MP9 Minigame Spikedball.png
 * File:MP9 Minigame Thwomp.png
 * File:Mp9minigame11.png
 * File:Mp9minigame13.png


 * Length isn't great, but having an actual distinction between files outranks this. Trig - 16:26, November 23, 2019 (EST)
 * There was no reason at all to move the "Chain Event" one. The ending one can have an identifier, but it's common sense that the normal gameplay one doesn't need an identifier, let alone one that goes to the extra unneeded trouble of saying the number of players. And obviously it's a screenshot, there's no art for it, is there? That doesn't need distinguished, so that's an extra 10-letter word put in for no reason. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:48, November 23, 2019 (EST)
 * Truth be told, I kind of hope you'll stop with file renaming soon because it is getting on many other people's nerves (about half the community on the proposal was unsatisfied with your renames in one way or another; the vote was 4-7, but one was neutral and another didnt add support or oppose). I'm thinking especially for files with dashes, which you will rename files to meet your liking, like in this example where just because there were dashes, you rename the file to how you wanted it if File:City Tripper Pink MK8.png (without dashes) would've worked just as well as a filename. It's disrespectful and rude to like constantly rename files for the smallest of reasons. Thank you for renaming so many files -- a lot of us appreciate it, but like rearranging the order of the filenames is just rude. And so many userpage images are breaking because of constant renames, when we can do something to reduce it. I'm aware I'm as guilty with file renaming or replacing; however, active users might get irritated if the file links on their page constantly breaks, especially if the subject is already described clearly. Actually, I'm sort of reminded of a ZeldaWiki oolicy, where they require filenames to be named a certain way (about the same as your naming conventions). Did you get your naming scheme from them? Results May Vary (talk) 22:04, December 21, 2019 (EST)

"Sprite"
Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:24, December 6, 2019 (EST)
 * Correctly now named File:NSMBW Big Boo Model.png. Trig - 18:00, December 6, 2019 (EST)

Response to Results May Vary
to quote from here: ''"Truth be told, I kind of hope you'll stop with file renaming soon because it is getting on many other people's nerves (about half the community on the proposal was unsatisfied with your renames in one way or another; the vote was 4-7, but one was neutral and another didnt add support or oppose). I'm thinking especially for files with dashes, which you will rename files to meet your liking, like in this example where just because there were dashes, you rename the file to how you wanted it if File:City Tripper Pink MK8.png (without dashes) would've worked just as well as a filename. It's disrespectful and rude to like constantly rename files for the smallest of reasons. Thank you for renaming so many files -- a lot of us appreciate it, but like rearranging the order of the filenames is just rude. And so many userpage images are breaking because of constant renames, when we can do something to reduce it. I'm aware I'm as guilty with file renaming or replacing; however, active users might get irritated if the file links on their page constantly breaks, especially if the subject is already described clearly. Actually, I'm sort of reminded of a ZeldaWiki oolicy, where they require filenames to be named a certain way (about the same as your naming conventions). Did you get your naming scheme from them? Results May Vary (talk) 22:04, December 21, 2019 (EST)"''

I'm getting some mixed signals here, because it starts off very anti-me to begin with before diluting into a more quizzical and explanatory 'we can fix this' state. I am trying to remain absolutely civil here, but it's feeling pretty rude on my end at least to barge in and say "stop what you're doin because it's possibly sorta half bad". I will once again clarify that I am happy to answer questions when asked, but I also affirm that no questions seem to roll my way.

To begin, I can understand the community probably getting irked with the size of which I was working today (Dec 21, 2019) because yes, I was indeed productive and made a lot of file moves. In regards to the hyphen discussion, I have definitely discussed it elsewhere before but I'll restate the reasoning once again: The addition of hyphens to file names creates more opportuinities to have virtually identical file names. To have hyphens is to have more potential that entirely different files can be utilized depending on simply spacing. It also make an image name somewhat more difficult to view, especially if intermixed with underscores. Notably, I have intentionally tried to not move many files with hyphens as the only identifiable issue for this specific reason.

As for the city tripper, and the naming as a whole, I moved the city tripper FIRST to remove hypens and SECOND to be the format that it is; I try not to sound arrogant when I say the specific format that I use, Game-Object-Type, is vastly surperior to the prior Object-Color-Game, because it follows the most logical path to split the images. This is the main issue I take with the Object-Game-Type format as well: When on a list of multiple games, files should be split apart by game first for proper distinguishment. A goomba page's artwork should be able to very clearly see what game the goomba originated from FIRST because there are multiple possibilities for its origin. The object does not immediately have a known origin. Whether it be a gallery, mainpage, or even a stats page, games should be the first distinction to quickly identify usage. The second (and usually third) parts through Game-Object-Name are already inferred, as you are already viewing said page. To be direct, if you are looking at the Bowser gallery, you are already going to know bowser is what is being viewed, so the main difference should occur first. For single-game pages, such as a Mario Kart 8 gallery, the first identifier for indentifying multiple game pages should, in theory, not matter because if all hypothetical files start with the same game, then that portion of the file may be overlooked because it is inferred it is the game it is in. The object is already KNOWN to be in said game because it's on the game page, and in grouping them all together under one common identifier first (the game), it prevents having multiple unknown first identifiers.

The largest difference is this. Using an example of a mario sprite and a mario galaxy gallery, the difference between two hypothetical file organizations is as follows:

Mario Sprites
 * jumping mario SML.png
 * jumping SM64 sprite.png
 * jumping fire mario SMG.png
 * jumping SMG sprite.jpg
 * jumping mario SMO.jpg

Super Mario Galaxy gallery
 * jumping fire mario SMG.png
 * jumping SMG sprite.jpg

compared to

Mario Sprites
 * SML mario jumping sprite.png
 * SM64 mario jumping sprite.png
 * SMG fire mario jumping sprite.png
 * SMG mario jumping sprite.jpg
 * SMO mario jumping sprite.jpg

Super Mario Galaxy Gallery
 * SMG fire mario jumping sprite.png
 * SMG mario jumping sprite.jpg

As one can see, it is much easier to quixkly read and decipher the bottom of the two examples than the first, since the general format is uniform, the game can be easily identified, and the name continues to flow based on further need of information: Do I know the game? If no, then I must find it. If I do know the game, do I know what I am doing or looking at? If not, then I must find it. If I do, then on to type of file, so on so forth.

The topic of breaking userpage images has already been discussed. It is acceptable to have files break on userpages. I am not sure what your policy is, but if I am aware a user has an active presence, I will inform them that the image has been altered in name.

While not explicitly stated, I am aware that the flooding of the Recent Changes section may be an issue. While there's not much I am able to do, I can suggest that I can stop editing old user talk pages (generally the ones that copypaste galleries), which creates more broken images, but reduces presence in RC. Please leave an opinion on this, as I am willing to alter strategy.

I will be taking a break on file names to wrap up the conversion of SMG2 missions to galleries on planets visited, and will attempt to maintain a lower presence this holiday season.

The relations to Zelda Wiki is purely coicidential. I based my format off of both what made the most sense (as stated) and, more importantly, what was already in use on THIS wiki for a large majority of files. To move into the G-O-T format is to be unifying into a large, consistent, pre-existing format.

Lastly, while I would like to be as kind as possible in my statement of this, I will remain firm in my belief. I have tried repeatedly to work with creating a standard on file naming and making improvements to what I do to make it be applicable to everyone in the long run. I realize that perhaps my methodology is not preferred by yourself, and that it is understable you would like to continue operating in the way you do currently. However, I find your moving of files back to prior names for the mere sake of having your naming scheme over my own extremely childish, ineffective, and only creates more work on the administerative staff (whom I do try to reduce the work of for). I will not stop you from doing this, but I look down on this action highly. I will not touch your files any further with the possible exception of inter-file periods. Trig - 23:45, December 21, 2019 (EST)


 * Okay, yes, I do have a preference with filenames, but the only filenames i'm moving back are the ones I've uploaded for various reasons, namely how you interfere with the flow of the filename (lowercase common nouns can help with readability). Also, the mixed response is because I have different feelings about the file renaming thing. I'm ok with your renames in moderation but to just like find an excuse to blankly enforce it on all files (e.g. here, there's clear proof that you literally just renamed the file to your own liking). To quote your response:  creates more work on the administerative staff (whom I do try to reduce the work of for) , you are the one who has been putting so much work on the administrative staff already, flooding the recent changes with your file renames that you admitted you want a set standard for the filenames. Don't be a hypocrite and blame me for your own actions. This is conformity disguised as freedom (as in the freedom of file renaming is disguised as conformity, which you, a non administrative user, are trying to enforce on other users). i've already seen you take chances, e.g. with file talks, which you'll tag as much as often, if you dont agree with it. Remember when i had to cleanup all those image-quality tags you added onto jpg files simply because you wanted them as PNG? It was really annoying for me to see the image quality tag misused.

Oh, so why are you calling me childish? How is it that I'm childish that I'm not going out of my way to rename every single one of your files to how I like it? How come I only do it with files I've uploaded or files I'm replacing? Could it mean that I at least consider others who feel differently about the project. For instance, Alex95 is supportive over your project, so I won't move his filenames. I see what you're saying about uniform, really I get it. I have my preference of how i name files and vice versa for you. the filename scheme of "game name subject" or "subject name game" or whatever is as easy to read if not conforming as if it were.

Basically, you take things way too far in order for it to match either your own rules or vision or the MarioWiki:Rules, or what an administrator says. If an admin told you to stop moving dashes in filenames, it's because of your conforming personality, not because it's your personal preference. A well known example is, which ruined the original filename that I added because the dash was removed. I complained about it and thus a rule was added because of how you're trying to maximize the use of the move button on the file namespace. No matter how many paragraphs you type up, the truth remains the truth. I'm aware that wikis are supposed to be a formal atmosphere, but I'm human and I also get frustrated, so this is what I'm showing you how I feel.

tl;dr it's not you renaming files that's the problem. it's finding the smallest of reasons to rename files that is, until an admin tells you to stop. Results May Vary (talk) 00:07, December 22, 2019 (EST)


 * Alright, enough of that.
 * First of all, to RMV, you can't claim ownership over a file name (unless it's a personal image or a 'Shroom image). Once it's on the wiki, it's on the wiki for anyone to edit. It's a key point in the editing window disclaimer: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." The only real exception to this is during an ongoing project and you don't want others to get involved, but even then, once the project is done, it's free game. Furthermore, while this doesn't apply to all of the recently moved file names, there is nothing wrong with clarity. If the new file name describes the image better, then there's nothing wrong with file name and moving it back to the original name just because you're the original uploader is just petty.
 * To Trig, yes, the file renames do tend to pile up and cause more work than is necessary, but I honestly have no problem with that. You can't delete anything yourself, so it's up to the admin to take care of it. We wouldn't have accepted this role if it didn't mean we were up for the maintenance. We just get around to it when we have the time to do so, or take care of it little by little.
 * That said, I have noticed a few points of inaccuracy in the file names, and sometimes you move a file when the naming is already clear, consistency notwithstanding. We aren't strict with our file names; as long as the name is accurate and can distinguish it between another file, it is perfectly fine, even if the name is all lowercase after an uppercase abbreviation. It doesn't matter if it's Game-Object-Type, or Type-Game-Object, or Object-Type-Game. As long as the file is accurate, it does not matter. Removing unnecessary punctuation, such as dashes that are used in place of spaces (that never made sense to me) or interfile periods, are perfectly fine.
 * Debating some kind of warning here, but for now, I don't want to see this problem again, but if there is something you feel is wrong, you talk it out before moving the file back, alright? 00:27, December 22, 2019 (EST)

Proposal support
Hi, when you were correcting the formatting for that coin bag merging proposal I noticed that you added in a supporting vote for the proposer. While you'd expect them to support their own proposal, that's not always the case and not something that you can just assume- I've seen at least one proposal where the proposer started it and waited to see some others' ideas before casting their own vote. Anyway, while cleaning up the formatting is perfectly fine, adding their vote in isn't. You may wish to encourage them to cast their vote, but you just can't vote on their behalf. BBQ Turtle (talk) 12:50, January 2, 2020 (EST)
 * Noted, thank you. Trig - 12:52, January 2, 2020 (EST)

Permission
Can I edit in the talk page of your first sandbox? Because the first two sections are "full" of red links and I want to fix it, while taking other pictures TBR (to be renamed)/TBRD (to be renamed and then deleted) to their right places. Best regards, Count Luigi (talk) 18:59, January 8, 2020 (EST)
 * Remove any red dead links. Anything you decide to move, just remove it directly off the list after moving it. I would prefer if you removed links by section (in groups) rather than one at a time. I would suggest trying to follow both the Image use policy and my guide in naming. Thank you! Trig - 19:06, January 8, 2020 (EST)