Talk:Mario Party 9

Bowser Jr. Playable Status
I don't think it's confirmed he is playable. In the pipe game he could have been an NPC enemy. And in the propeller game, he's in the Koopa Clown Car unlike all the others, which to me implies he's some sort of boss. - 14:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah that's what I think too. He's probably going to maintain some nsmb like role where he interrupts the minigames. I mean he seems to either be running away or performing a boss fight. I think we should list him in a Boss/Playable? Characters sections. Propeller Toad
 * Now that I look at this image, I have to agree that Junior is not playable. (Or at least not officially announced.) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

???
Why was this not mentioned at the press conference? I'd heard nothing of it until logging on here a while ago.


 * I'm pretty sure it was.

Characters
Wait a moment,,, if Dry Bones and Toad are playable characters,so that means Birdo and Toadette are playable too!. ^^


 * No... but they prolly will be

I guess we have to wait! ^,^

Actually you are wrong their. Just because Toad happens to be playable (this goes for Dry Bones too) doesn't mean that Toadette and Birdo are characters. They have not been seen in any photos or videos. However, you are most likley correct due to the fact that they have been in prevoius Mario games.-User:FireFlower


 * One things for sure, Blooper's not coming back. -_- DK Fan


 * Thats weird cause theres a Blooper in one of the Screenshots

I'm afraid Dry Bones is not playable, because you can clearly see there are 5 characters at the same time! (Peach, Mario, Yoshi, Wario and Dry Bones.
 * Possibly a supporting character in minigames, like Penguins. 16:54, 7 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Or he could be playable in a story mini game where mario is the boss

Hmm I don't think so, you can see more than one DryBones on the background
 * Yes, there is broken Dry Bones on the side. 18:47, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Maybe they are trying to head back to the more-than-four-players concept from Mario Party 7. DK Fan

Until there is an official source and more info is given, Dry Bones is not a playable character. 19:39, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

I will hope and wait that birdo,toadette and boo will be playables! 10/29/2011

:O
noooo!! i dont think boo is in it anymore!! he was my favorite character!!


 * I liked Boo too. :(. But not everything has been announced so there is a possibility.
 * Me three. Smariopaperfire.jpeg Superfiremario (talk) (contribs) Marioart3.png

Me 4!!!!

All four of you, read the bloomin' template at the top of the page.
 * Should I say me 5 or me 6? DK Fan

New Super Mario Bros. Wii but party style
When I saw the trailer there were so many things New Super Mario Bros. Wii styled like at one part Luigi threw a shell at Goombas and in the Background there was a fortress on a hill like the one in the 1st world of NSMBW. Is this going to me like a NSMBW party game just with a different name?
 * No, it's just the style of the board. The game also has other elements like from Super Mario Galaxy 2. --Mechawave 15:26, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

5 player Minigame?
I saw a 5 player minigame.Maybe it has WiiU exclusive content?
 * Either that, or Dry Bones is not a playable character anymore. -_- DK Fan
 * No I don't think there are 5 player mini-games - one of the players must be an enemy.
 * In that minigame with the Dry bones the one standing didn't have glowing pupils so maybe it is an enemy of some sort.
 * Can you people seriously look at the image and apply common sense? This game is not related to the Wii U in any way, nor has 5 player minigames. Dry Bones is not returning as a character this time around, and those Dry Bones are there to make sure the players avoiding the one in the copter also avoid the Dry Bones. --Mechawave 15:25, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Dry Bones isn't playable probably, as there is 2 Dry Bones' if your talking about this picture: File:MP9 10.png -- 21:08, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Three*
 * Dry Bones are enemies. In a screenshot, there are three of them. 14:02, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

Group art
Merged from this, this, this, this, and unknown artwork of Yoshi.
 * And the solo Mario artwork is Mario taken from that picture by himself. 10:52, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

I know the release date.
Today, I went into gamestop, reserved mario party 9, and one of the staff said the game will come out January 3rd, 2012
 * This does not mean it's official. GameStop is notorious for giving out incorrect release dates. Also, there's no actual Internet source so it's automatically invalid. GameStop also does not say the release date itself on their website. --Mechawave 16:50, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

2 VS. 2 mini-games.
Does anyone think they will be returning? User:DK Fan
 * I don't see why not... they've been in every previous Mario Party.

Possible Content for Description
Shouldn't we add possible minigame descriptions or possible items?


 * If you are completely sure with what it is about and it is referenced, yes.
 * Not with out a source

Infer
Not much is known about the story, but from what I can infer the gang will battle Bowser Jr. throughout the game.KoopaMan

Mario Party tower
In the screenshot with the Bullet Bill mini-game, does anyone notice that the tower the players are on looks like the ones used in Mario Party?

I just relized somthing
Hudson Software developed the first Mario Party games, but NOT this one. --Mario240 15:17, 5 July 2011 (EDT)Mario240 Yeah. 15:32, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Um, how do we know that this game is made by Nd Cube? The referenced page merely states that Nd Cube made Wii Party, it didn't even mention Mario Party 9. Isn't this just speculation?

Urchin?
I see an Urchin like thing in the Giant Blooper Image. Is it really an Urchin or not? 20:15, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

I think that's an Urchin. See Mario's face near it. Maybe be something to get points of the other. 14:05, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

Nd Cube?
The referenced article for Nd Cube only states that they made Wii Party. It didn't even mention Mario Party 9, and thus this is only purely speculation.

Second trailer?
Does anybody know if a trailer for Mario Party 9 is gonna be releaed soon? Same applies for Luigi's Mansion 2 and Super Mario 3D Land.

2011?
On GameSpot it says Mario Party 9 will be relesed "TBA 2011". Is this true?
 * Most of the time, Gamespot puts in filler dates that are wrong, but TBA 2011 seems reasonable. --Reversinator 13:18, 5 September 2011 (EDT)
 * Then should I put Mario Party 9 in the 2011 section on the Games by Date page? SuperLuigiBros. 10:59, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Playable characters
Is there any proof of these characters?(toadette toad birdo and the blue blooper)?, Donaldthescotishtwin
 * Yeah there has to be a source that proves this. Unless there's a source, that info is merely speculation.  18:50, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
 * I'll delete it. There's absolutely no source.

I truly know that Birdo,Toadette, the blue blooper and hammerbro. will be playables. !

Will some mario party characters will in this upcoming game?
Vote for how will be the one to be in mario party 9.
 * There's a place for discussions like that. It's at the Mario Wiki forums.  08:13, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

Boxart!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Mario+Party+9+-+Nintendo+Wii/4684927.p?id=1218508070023&skuId=4684927 Here you can see the boxart, although it's small. EDIT: I zoomed in on it and found that it confirms Birdo and Yellow Toad.

BIRDO!
Look the official boxart:



Birdo is near Yoshi, on the right corner. 15:05, 1 January 2012 (EST)

That means she is playable :P yay~ ^_^


 * Also, if you look really closely you can see other characters and different cameos too. Some of these characters is a Yellow Toad, Daisy (who is riding a Dolphin by the way), Waluigi (In a custom version of the Koopa Clown Car), Kamek (or a Magikoopa), Bowser (in the original Koopa Clown Car), and you can see Koopa and Shy Guy riding a Mini Star. You can see Peach's Castle (or Boo's Horror Castle) in the background too. Also, The regular yellow Power Star is there, possibly hinting the return of Battle Royal Mode.--MarioMaster2011 22:35, 1 January 2012 (EST)


 * Yes! 07:25, 2 January 2012 (EST)

Battle Royale/Classic Mode
It has been confirmed by ONM that the mode with the Car is actually just an extra mode. --Mechawave 16:38, 16 January 2012 (EST)

Where's Luigi?
--Mario240 20:34, 16 January 2012 (EST)I recently looked at the box art and I found out that Luigi was missing, what's up with that!?


 * He's visible in the tower of Boo's Horror Castle...but only in the European box art. Perhaps the box art for North America and Japan isn't final, or Luigi is once again getting the short end of the stick. --PionpiMii 20:18, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Wow, I would have never seen Luigi unless you pointed it out. Man he's so tiny! And since when was YOSHI a major player. I mean come on! Really? (in comparison to Luigi) Cwjakesteel 22:17, 8 March 2012 (EST)

Mario Party 9 EU release date changed
--Tjb east 10:34, 18 January 2012 (GMT)It has been confirmed by ONM that the UK and EU release date is March 2nd

http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/34345/mario-party-9-release-date-uk-confirmed-for-wii/
 * Done by . -- 06:35, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Lists
Isn't it better to make a list with "Characters with unknown status" containing Birdo, Yellow Toad, Kamek/Magikoopa etc.?

Yellow Toad
Is this the Yellow Toad from NSMBW or just a normal Yellow Toad? Cause if it is the NSMBW one, shouldn't we include some info on his article about Mario Party 9?

It is quite likely that it is him (since he appears to be prominent and the fact that the game appears to based off NSMB Wii); however, we have no proof as of yet. Apparently, a Green Toad was also spotted in the new artwork of Toad Road, so there could be more Toads. I think we should make the decision upon the game's release as opposed to reaching a conclusion as of now.

If there is only one Yellow Toad and/or one Blue Toad, it is much more than likely to be them from New Super Mario Bros. Wii.--Prince Ludwig 21:18, 30 January 2012 (EST)

New Board
From the images provided by Mario Party Legacy link for Chain Chomp, in the same picture is a background for a newboard. It is almost 99% a fact there will be a mountain board with volcanoes and caves because the boards known at the moment are all ruled out. Boo's Mansion local does not match what so ever, Toad Roads full map was shown and theres no mountians surrounded by volcanoes, and the water board is just that, a water board surrounded by islands. Last board that could by chance be the one in the Chain Chomp boss is Bob-omb Facotry, but the 2 bosses for that one is confirmed to be Big Bob-omb and Whomp. So this has to be new board from the previous 4 known.

No classic mode.
It is official that classic mode will NOT be in the game. also, there are going to be 78 mini games. --MrYoshiFan 12:44, 4 February 2012 (EST)


 * Where was it confirmed, then? Give a link, dude.

http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/2012/02/05/mario-party-9-a-big-comeback-for-the-mario-party-series/ I believe it says so there. MarioComix 01:17, 6 February 2012 (EST)

If the game has 78 minigames, why the box art says "80 minigames"? 13:34, 9 February 2012 (EST)

where are people getting 13 characters from?
That source doesn't say 13. it says 12. And maybe there's just 12 starters. MP8 had 12 starters. Are people just assuming that Toad is the 13th character, because they think it's impossible for him to be secret? Peach was unlockable in Fortune street.....


 * I think Toad's not unlockable, since he's... umm.. default. Maybe Mii's playable too, and is it counted as another character again. I dunno.

Confirmed Characters
Currently, the page for Mario Party 9 only displays 11 charcters. Who are the other two playeble characters?--User:FireFlower

The remaining two (or more/less?) characters have yet to be unveiled as of yet. We won't know till those remaining characters are revealed.

MORE THAN 12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Story Mode, which sees you go up against Bowser’s minions such as Boo, Dry Bones, Koopa Kid, Birdo, Hammer Bro, Blooper, Shy Guy, and Koopa. (They are also playable characters.)" Nintendo Enthusiast

There is a possibility of 5 more characters leading to 17 OR 18 PLAYABLE CHARACTERS! AND KOOPA KID FINALLY MAKES A COMEBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --MrYoshiFan 16:03, 10 February 2012 (EST)


 * The "they" thing is quite vague though. That's why I removed it from the article because it's not specific enough.


 * What do you mean, "It's vague"? Why is it vague? Why can't it be added to the article?
 * Well, at first, they said "12 characters". Then they tell us that these people are playable characters. It could be referring to Koopa and Shy Guy or Birdo.

The Galaxy Board
The reference to the "galaxy board" is wrong. There isn't any proof that this board exists. 10:00, 13 February 2012 (EST)
 * Then we should delete it

Cheep-Cheep or Mega Cheep-Cheep?
The February trailer shows a Cheep-Cheep as a boss. However, it shouldn't be called "Cheep-Cheep" because it is larger than a normal one and the regular Cheep-Cheeps are already in the "Other Characters" section. That's why I changed it to "Mega Cheep-Cheep" because thats the closest thing resembling a giant Cheep-Cheep.--MarioMaster2011 22:45, 14 February 2012 (EST)
 * Actually there have been giant Cheep Cheep before specifically on Banshee Boardwalk in Mario Kart 64


 * The giant Blooper is called "Blooper" so the giant Cheep-Cheep is called "Cheep-Cheep". 11:33, 25 February 2012 (EST)

New board names!
The dutch mario party site shows that the Underwater Board is called Blooper Beach and the Lava Mine board is Magma Mine. Check out here for proof --MrYoshiFan 09:38, 15 February 2012 (EST)

That would be German instead of Dutch.. Dark Gamer 10:53, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Hmmm...
I don't know if it's very interesting/important, but this picture is very strange: The empty spaces look like they're pasted in the picture. I mean that they are perfect squares, instead of being slightly turned (because the camera was slightly turned when the photo was token) They don't only look like they're pasted in, cuz they are pasted in. One of them is Shy Guy (yay)
 * You do know the origin of that image, right? The reason those two squares are added is because of an embargo. Nintendo of Europe does not want the original source people to reveal the hidden characters, and they obviously unlocked them so they had to remove their images. --Mechawave 17:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
 * * And one of them is Shy Guy. Why would they hide that from us if we already know that?

The 12th Character
According to Mario Party Legacy, Hammer Bro. takes the role of being the twelveth character. This may not be accurate, but one of the sources says this is confirmed. --User:FireFlower I'm pretty sure, as seen in a gameplay video, that Hammer Bro. hosts the Competition Space (the one with the two crossing hammers). He was seen on a floaty platform floating down to the players when they landed on it. MarioComix 21:33, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Hammer bro's not gonna be the 12th. According to Nintendo Gamer, it's gonna be Kamek. --MrYoshiFan 15:41, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Why will Kamek go against Bowser. 22 February 2012 (EST)

Maybe that is fake but it said you will face Bowser's Minions so that might be why.

Well it wouldn't be the first time. DK Fan

Title
The title screen for MP9 is leaked!  Does this help with anything? 06:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)

VS. Space
The VS. Space does seem to be similar to the 4-Player Space in Mario Party 6. They both trigger a minigame. Should this space still be in the New Spaces or should I move it to the Returning Spaces and just link it to the 4-Player Space?

Bowser Jr. Pic
Hey guys (and gal's) I have a never before seen bowser jr picture! But i can't upload it.... Any way in the picture he is smilling and sticking his tounge out. It is on the cover of mario party 9 but I have the official art work! I also have an official bowser koopa clown car artwork.


 * Why can't you upload it? 20:12, 27 February 2012 (EST)

If it is cut from the group artwork it isn't considered to be on here. I am not sure why but I remember we did that with the Piranha Plant and Koopa (which came back) from the Super Mario 3D land group art. Someone also uploaded that Bowser Jr. artwork before but it was deleted probably was similar to the SUper mario 3D land art. Unless it is full good quality and not cut from the group art I would say upload somehow.

Autoconfirmed...
This page is quite popular! I wonder why...? It's good that it has been locked so only auto-confirmed users can edit it, but my question is, will it be permanent?

I don't think so. I think it's only protected until the game has been released.


 * Oh okay! Thanks for your reply!

Beta elements
Should we make a page for beta elements for this game? Cause I heard that there was 14 bosses in the game and 3 were planned to be in each board, but that never happened.

Okay, what is actually going on is that people assumed there would be 14 bosses for the game, 2 for each of the 7 boards, but it turned out to be Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. And what the creators meant when they said there would be 3 bosses for each board is that whenever you reach a Boss Space, you can choose FROM 3 bosses to fight. MarioComix 00:08, 3 March 2012 (EST)

But what about the logo. They had 2 different logos for the game. We have beta element pages for just a different logo.

Two versus two
Would it be significant if we include that Mario Party 9 is the first game that doesn't contain 2 vs. 2 minigames? If so, should it be in the Trivia or somewhere else? 17:58, 3 March 2012 (EST)


 * The game have only 1 2vs2 minigame called "Goomba Football", is in the Extra mode.

And that is an extra. it isn't considered 2 vs 2 at all. But we could also mention that.


 * That doesn't really count. I think there should be a mention that this is the first Mario Party not to include a category of minigames called 2 vs. 2. Goomba Football is an exception, not the rule. 22:00, 3 March 2012 (EST)


 * Go ahead, I don't think it would matter if it was put in.

GameStop Early Release
--Mario240 23:42, 3 March 2012 (EST)I heard that a YouTube user got Mario Party 9 early at gamestop, is the true for locations in the USA.

Preorder? Or maybe the GameStop got the game shipped to them early.

I wonder
when Diddy kong will come back? He should be returning to the Mario Party games soon.--Mickey 23:44, 3 March 2012 (EST)


 * Yeah, he's in DK's Jungle Ruins and is the "Mini-Boss" of the board.--User:DonnyKD 20:43, March 3, 2012

In case you haven't seen the green box at the top, please limit these type of discussions in the forums, thank you. 00:45, 4 March 2012 (EST)

WHAT THE HECK?!
Someone on YouTube got this game IN THE MAIL!!! I am so jealous right now --Mario240 19:21, 4 March 2012 (EST)
 * Please leave this on the forums. Or at least not here!

Vehicles
maybe later in the "Boards" box you can added the names of the unlockables vehicles for each board, they are 3 for each board.
 * Is an option, but then we need the names of the vihicles frst.

Green Toad, Goomba Bowling, Minigame Puns
I have three things to ask:
 * 1) Do we need an article for the Green Toad character?
 * 2) How can Goomba Bowling both be an Free-for-All-Minigame ena Extra Minigame?
 * 3) Do we need a list of names where Minigame names are puns on?

Go ahead, who'll stop you? You have a free time to create a Green Toad character (not from the Toad Brigade crew from Super Mario Galaxy installments of course), since we'll all need it for sure, especially because Green Toad will appear in Paper Mario 2012. As for the rest...Anybody will understand what you did. Perhaps. O.o --Prince Ludwig 13:26, 5 March 2012 (EST)


 * 1.If Green Toad plays any sort of significant role, then you can create it. However, if he is just the host for one mode or something, it is better left in the Toad (species) article.
 * 2.You can include Goomba Bowling in both of these categories, but I haven't played the game. If the game shows this minigame in two categories, put it in the two categories. If it is in one category, put it in the respective category.
 * 3.Yes, you probably do need a list, since the previous Mario Parties show it. But, first, you need to identify these puns or word portmanteaus. 22:52, 5 March 2012 (EST)


 * I've identified many puns already. Green Toad only appears at the end of every board so yeah, I think that it's unnecessary then.

Trivia
likely due to the option to get rid of computer players

In this part of the Trivia about the 2 vs. 2, this doesn't make any sense. I don't know if I should remove this section or not, but I want to clarify, "get rid of the computer players". I never played the game (and I won't plan to) and I need to know how this works. 23:13, 5 March 2012 (EST)

Well, instead of playing with 4 players, it is possible to play with just 3, or just 2, so that's how you can "get rid" of computer players. If you think of a better way to say it, feel free to change it. MarioComix 23:36, 5 March 2012 (EST)


 * Okay, I think I'll get of that bit because it's more speculation than fact. What if ND Cube was just lazy? 00:27, 6 March 2012 (EST)


 * Or maybe 2 vs 2 is pointless since everyone has a chance to win something and almost every minigame can be beat with two people in first place. user:DonnyKD 17:50, 7 March 2012
 * If that's the case, Battle Minigames are pointless. 23:19, 10 March 2012 (EST)

I don't want to start an edit war, but what I'm trying to say that there is only one 2 vs. 2 minigame in Mario Party 9, which means you can't get 2 vs. 2 minigames during normal gameplay (I think), and that is an oddity for the Mario Party series. There isn't a category of minigames called 2 vs. 2 minigames because there aren't enough to make a group. Yes, there is Shell Soccer, but that's an Extra Minigame, which means it's more of a bonus. In every Minigame Mode from the previous Mario Parties, you can choose from Free-For-All, Battle, 1 vs.3, and 2 vs. 2, but in this game, you can't because the 2 vs. 2 group is NOT there. I hope this clears a bit. 23:19, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Reverse Minigames
I have the game and sometimes if you land on a Bowser Space, Bowser will force all the players to play a Reverse Minigame. Reverse Minigames are reverse versions of regular minigames where the objective is to Lose instead of win. The winner (in this case Loser) gets 10 Mini Stars from Bowser. I've studied and I've found out that you can only play 4 different Reverse Minigames (NOTE Reverse minigames can only be played by landing on a Bowser space and hoping that a Reverse minigame will be played):

- Chain Event: The slowest person wins (the last one to reach the bottom). It is recommended to hit the spike balls as they decrease your speed.

- Billistics: The player who first gets hit by a Bullet Bill wins.

- Tumble Temple: The player who first gets hit by a Spiked Ball wins.

- Thwomper Room: The player who first gets hit by a Thwomp wins.

I see that I'm the only person who noticed here on this wiki as Reverse Minigames are almost never mentioned in any article here (actually only in the Billistics article). Not even in the Bowser Space article, the minigames article or the Mario Party 9 article. Reverse minigames should have their own articles as they have different infos before the minigames start (I'll be happy to find them) and they have a different objective. Here's an example of the Tumble Temple reverse minigame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCAMttidEVU at 26:42 User:MarioMaster720


 * Well, you can put that all on an article. Nobody is going to stop you. As long as you can prove the information (which you did via the youtube video), this wiki encourages users to add new info to a recently released game. 23:59, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Minigame Announcer has different voices
I heard some voices for the game's minigame announcer in some Youtube videos and in the French version, he said "C'est Partie!". Is this possible? Dream22dream 10:35, 8 March 2012 (EST)
 * Well, how would you add this in the article? 19:35, 8 March 2012 (EST)

This is incorrect...
"This is the first Mario Party in the series Bowser don´t have a Lava/Dark board theme "

Uh, Bowser's Warped Orbit? user:DonnyKD 16:08, 8 March 2012
 * Same with Bowser's Pinball. Gotcha. I'm removing that piece of trivia.

Another error...
But this time, it's in regards to the "images" for Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong as "bosses" on the respective chart; those images shown at the time of this writing were from other installments. Someone who is able to extract materials from this game needs to see about addressing said issue here A.S.A.P. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 13:52, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

Reverse Minigames
Are Reverse Minigames playable in free play mode? If so, shouldn't we add that?

No, you can only play Free-for-all, 1 vs. Rivals, Bowser Jr., and Boss Minigames in free play mode--Mario240 17:54, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

80 all-new minigames stripe
I was looking in the gallery and noticed how the NA box art has the stripe that has 80 all new minigames written on it, but the others don't. Should we mention that in the trivia?--Mario240 17:53, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 * I don't think it's really worth mentioning. 17:54, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Unlocking Bowser's Board
On the page it says to unlock Bowser's board you need to beat Solo Mode but I unlocked it without even playing Solo Mode at all? I think you unlock it after you've played all the boards like on Mario Party 2. Greentoad


 * No cuz I did play all the boards but I didn't receive it yet.
 * The article has correct information. I have played through the Story Mode once, which unlocked the board for me. 14:08, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

GUYS
I DON'T CARE IF NINTENDO AND SEGA ONLY LEAVE THEIR CROSSOVERS TO THE MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES SERIES. THIS TIME, I WANT SONIC, TAILS, KNUCKLES, AMY, SHADOW, SILVER, AND EGGMAN IN THIS GAME. IT WOULD BE SO EPIC!!!!!!!!

Fawful117: The user arena! An awesome new thing!!! 18:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

This kind of talk belongs in the forum. SuperPaperFan