Talk:Yoshi (species)

Knife, Yoshis do change color in Super Mario Sunshine. Haven't you completely played the game? 21:02, 13 December 2006 (EST)

I have and SoS states that only the main Yoshi has appeared in it. See the main Yoshi's talk page.

I personally think the Yoshis on sunshine are a sub spiecies of Yoshis who change color as they eat.

Colors
Shouldnt ALL those different color Yoshi's be merged with this? - Ultimatetoad

Ummm....hello? - Ultimatetoad

I agree. There can be a section about the colors of Yoshis, similar to Toads. I don't see many distinctive properties about the Yoshi colors and they should be merged into this article. 20:34, 28 February 2007 (EST)


 * I agree as well. Per Knife. -- 21:46, 28 February 2007 (EST)
 * I disagree because they are a sub-species. 15:03, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Excess Express.
I've played the game, but I don't remember being any Yoshis (other than your partner of course). --Bentendo 16:50, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

neither do I,

He's on the train, shows up randomly and says he hopes he isn't late getting home or his wife will kill him or something. -- Sir Grodus


 * He also talks about his love of curry, and his preference of it over meat... (Sometimes.) --YellowYoshi398 16:54, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

hmm.... I never seen one on there... I'll take your word for it,


 * Really? I don't remember that! Happily I'm almost there on my second play through (about to defeat cortez). Could you explain where he is? --Bentendo 11:49, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I can't really remember, I think near the dining cart or in it, but only occasionally; I think he might be green or orange or something. -- Sir Grodus

He isn't there the first time you play through.

The Yoshi is in the dining car, standing next to the door that leads to the cabins 003-005. He's green, though. He isn't there the first time you play, through, but every time you ride the Excess Express again, he shows up randomly. He's also the only Yoshi in the game besides the Yoshi Kid. Maybe the developers thought having a Yoshi in your party would make up for that, so they didn't include that many. That Yoshi has a saddle, too... --Jolene

I can verify Jolene's statement, if you haven't been convinced already. It's a very well hidden Easter Egg. Thanks for describing it for me, Jolene! 15:53, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Plural
Is the plural form of the species name Yoshis or Yoshies? It's actually used both ways depending on which game you play, I've heard. I just need to know which one was used more recently then. Maybe in Yoshi's Island DS? 16:02, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Theoretically etymologically, it should be Yoshi, but mistakes like this happen all the time, or it could be an exception.

Hmm... I remember there was a web site that talked about this. 17:03, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Canonical spelling is Yoshis. 22:23, 14 July 2007 (EDT)
 * No. Canonical spelling is both Yoshis and Yoshies. It's explained in the article.

The plural for Yoshi has often come up in debates. Some argue that "Yoshis" is the proper term, while others argue that "Yoshies" is correct. Japanese plurals have no indicative marks, meaning that "Yoshi" is another (unlikely) possibility. Nintendo of America has used both "Yoshies" and "Yoshis" in the Super Nintendo and Game Boy Advance versions of Yoshi's Island, respectively. It could be that both versions are valid.
 * To have it said, I somehow dislike the concept of "canon". - 15:24, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I think it's Yoshis. It is even spelled like that in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games!

Yoob
is he realy a Yoshi? I thought he was a robot...


 * He does seem robotic, but he's probably still worthy of mention as he's clearly based on the Yoshis. I agree with you in that I don't think he should be listed under Notable Yoshis, though.

i think yoob is a yoshi. purifieda

Yoshi (isle delfino)?
Either we should make another section, or make a new article! The Yoshis on Isle Delfino CAN'T be the Yoshis we know! That might have to change this Yoshi article to Yoshi (yoshi's island) or something. Tell me no or yes. It's facts! I mean, does Yoshi have cancer all the time? No! New article, or new section?


 * New section would probably be best, or just put Isle Delfino info in the appropriate sections in this article. Just because the game mechanics are different doesn't mean these are a different species of Yoshi.  They are all the same Yoshis - gameplay is different between all games.  And I don't think any character has ever had cancer in the Mario games. -- Son of Suns

Let's just do another section. I'm just saying, those can't be Yoshi's Island Yoshis! And I was only kidding about cancer, because ya know how they're about to do die if they're green. Minimariolover10

i think yoshis from isle delfino are yoshi's island yoshis.

Gold Yoshi
Why isn't there a gold yoshi article cos he appeared as an unlockobable character in yoshi's story Super   Yoshi10 | Lookey This
 * There was White and Black Yoshi... do you have video footage or anything that we could use as proof? 00:01, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Mario Super Sluggers
Why is there no info about Mario Super Sluggers in this article? Strange...
 * Everything where there's a single character called "Yoshi" on the selection screen is placed in the Yoshi article. 00:02, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Merge color Yoshies into Yoshi (species)
PROPOSAL DELETED 2-4

Black Yoshi, Red Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, Orange Yoshi, White Yoshi, Light Blue Yoshi, Brown Yoshi, Pink Yoshi, Green Yoshi and Purple Yoshi. Most of those Yoshies have minute differences between them, and the ones that do have notable differences, well, those differences just aren't notable enough. If we leave, say, White, Black, Red, Blue and Yellow split and merge the rest, it wouldn't be consistent, whereas if we leave one or two really major ones, it would be fair, like Blue Toad and Yellow Toad.

Proposer: Deadline: 24 February, 2010 20:00

Support
 * 1) Proposer.
 * 2) Per Reversinator.

Oppose
 * 1) - This has been rejected previously. Yoshis are different, have different powers, abilities, etc
 * Strict NO. Per Tucayo, they are all different, there are also some sources (comics) which are not yet included in the wiki in which there are also differently-colored Yoshis who have different caracteristics etc. This merging mania on the wiki has to have an end. We're the Mario Wiki, what else could we cover exactly if not a major species in the Mario series?
 * 1) Per all. This issue had already brought up.
 * 2) Per Tucayo.

Comments @Tucayo: You say that the idea was rejected in the past, but now that I look at this talk page, there's a section towards the top of the page in where Knife and KPH (both sysops at the time) agree in merging the articles. Although why it never happened is beyond my knowledge. --
 * All right, where has this been previously discussed?

I also notice that most of the Yoshi color articles are either short, one-section articles (e.g. Orange Yoshi and Purple Yoshi), and some, like Light Blue Yoshi are a collection of one-line sections, many of them simply discussing a color-change of Yoshi as a playable character. If one of Yoshi's color swaps is Light Blue, does that mean that it is then a different character entirely? If anybody remembers the article (which is now in BJAODN I believe), it was something silly about Mario being a species because of his different "pigments". That article was treated as a joke (appropriately so), but the way these Yoshi articles are written imply that when Yoshi from Super Mario Galaxy eats a fruit and becomes an orange color, it has become a different character rather than just a differently-colored generic Yoshi. This is something that should be cleared up. --

If it's just a different color change as associated with an ability, I think it should stay like that in the Yoshi article, as it refers the color of the Yoshi. Just don't list directly as the main orange Yoshi; just say "In Super Mario Galaxy 2, when a Green Yoshi eats blah, he changes color, which is orange. Note that this is not an actual orange Yoshi, just a color change that represents an orange Yoshi" or something like that.
 * You still haven't explained where it was originally discussed.
 * Well, it wasn't directly explained here, but it's still the same subject.
 * This proposal of the opposite of that proposal.

@Garlic: well, yeah, but that was 2007 :P We may have to see what they (Knife) think now. @Reversinator: Proposals. All failed. -- 20:36, 17 February 2010 (EST)

@Reversinator: I know it was the opposite, but it's the main reason why we have the Yoshi pages all separate and other colored enemies merged.

Assuming
Are we just assuming things about Yoshis? First of all, how do we know the Yoshi that appears as a playable character in Mario games is the same as the Green Yoshi that appears in games as a species? Shouldn't the appearances of Yoshi where it is a species be specific solely to the Green Yoshis page? The appearances where he is playable in spin-offs or is clearly his own character are the only appearances that should even be on his page.

Also, there's problems with the Yoshis appearing in SMG2. IT's not the light blue or orange Yoshis at all, it's a singular Green Yoshi, or the Yoshi himself, turning into an ORange and Light Blue Yoshi. It's not the same though because Yoshi has changed colors before, always first as Green Yoshi or "the" Yoshi, and you can even see this Yoshis shoe colors aren't even changing. How does that count as ORange and Light Blue Yoshi appearing as they are listed to? Panchito 08:26, 2 March 2010 (EST)


 * The color changes are worth mentioning because they represent the color being changed to. We can just say, "In Monosodium Glutamate 2, orange is one of the colors Yoshi transforms into, blah blah blah," because it's still an orange Yoshi, just a differently colored Green Yoshi.


 * For the Green Yoshis part, usually, the gaming manual or some other source says "Mario this time rides on Yoshi!" and they don't say a Green Yoshi. But multiple Green Yoshis appear in the game, and we know that Yoshi can't appear in more than one place at a time, no matter how freaky Nintendo is, so that makes that green Yoshi a species.

Yoshis
I've seen articles use Yoshi, Yoshis and I think even Yoshies as the plural form of Yoshi. So what is it?
 * It's already been discussed. 09:09, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

Umm
Your getting it all wrong when Yoshi first appeared, he first appear in The game with the same name as Yoshi. But, if you mean the Mario series, your right. User:Paper Culex
 * The First Appearance concerns the overall Mario series, so the article is correct. - 18:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Putting all colors of Yoshies into one article
LEAVE AS SEPARATE ARTICLES 2-16

I think we should put all the colors in one article, so that helps the wiki get more organized.

Proposer: Deadline: June 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) Given that all of the different colored Yoshi articles don't seem to have all too much useful information, I say merge them. Unless someone can come along and add a considerable amount to each of them.

Oppose

 * 1) each yoshi has it's own abilities and appear in seperate games at the same time it makes no sense to merge them into one article also this article would be huge and overly confusing since there are like 10 different colors of Yoshi who have appeared through out the years and each one of them would have to be given a bio section to detail what they have done in the mario series which would be huge since the different colors of Yoshi often appear in many different games serving many roles.
 * 2) Per Goomba! Red Yoshi appeared many times! So does the green one! Leave it!
 * 3) Per Goomba's Shoe15. Each Yoshi was different appearences and abilites. It would be hard to include all info on one page of every Yoshi colour.
 * 4) Per Goomba's Shoe15 and Tails777.
 * 5) We already discuss about this, but per all.
 * 6) Different color ones appear in different games. I guess thats my way of saying: " Per the Goomba in a shoe-sized 15 That was lame! Per Goomba's Shoe15."
 * 7) Per those who per Goomba's Shoe15.
 * 8) Per the best thing Goombas Shoe15has ever said,and per the opposing comments on the earlier version of this proposal
 * 9) I have dealt with this extensively before and my reasons for opposing any split between these articles stand. My reason: all have different abilities.
 * 10) Je suis d'accord avec tout le monde.
 * 11) - Not all Yoshi colors have appeared in each game.  Keeping them separate helps to figure out which games they've appeared in, along with their abilities.
 * 12) Per M&SG.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Per all.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 1) Per all.

Comments
@Goomba: We can just give each color it's own section.

Who signed this?
 * Ta-daa.

@MarioManiac you want to merge 11 colors into one article despite the fact that each some colors have played a large part in the Mario series and have displayed unique abilities not to mention the length of said article fitting in info on each game apperance by each color of yoshi which would create a huge article that would be less efficent than what we have now

By the way, isn't there a TPP right up there that is simmeral to this?

Rideable
Should we move the info of Yoshi being rideable here? I think the Yoshis you ride are Yoshi species.

yes, i think all yoshis are yoshi species. purifieda


 * Yeah, most of the info in the Powers and Abilities section of Yoshi's page can be moved here, although his page should still mention all the abilities. - 09:54, 7 August 2011 (EDT)