Talk:Rainbow Star

I don't know, but this info must be merged with the Star article. practically, Mario becomes invincible by that (similar to a "common" star), and is possible that "rainbow star" be a stylized starman.


 * It seems a fair bit different than a standard Star, as it increases Mario's speed, and causes any enemies that Mario destroys with it to break up into Star Pieces (or whatever they're called). If it just made Mario rainbow-colored and invincible with no other differences than standard Invicible Mario, then I could see the need for a merger. -- Booster


 * Don't normal Stars as well speed up Mario? At least they do in the Mario Kart series, and I think in Super Mario World... / Time Q 05:44, 15 October 2007 (EDT)


 * The arguement that it causes enemies to break up into star peices is no good, as nearly every enemy that mario beats turns into them.


 * There is also the point of the theme that usually is associated with Invincible Mario is used for Rainbow Mario


 * I agree with Time Q. Common Stars DO speed up Mario. Also, the "Star Pieces" are called Star Bits. MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 15:01, 1 April 2016 (EDT)

Look what I found
When I was playing the Rainbow star can be found at the Good Egg Galaxy at some weird chain chomp planet inside of a pipe. When he become Rainbow Mario he can stop. Princess Butterfly 18:26, 13 November 2007 (EST)

It was rediculous to think you couldn't stop running while useing it just because of a video, you don't WANT to stop when you have a starman.

Merge
I say this page should be merged with Super Star. The only difference between the two is appearance, and that's only the colours, the actual shape remains identical. MarioKid (Talk) 17:59, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
 * I believe this has already been discussed. Not only does Mario's appearance change, his speed increases, giving him a temporary speed boost. They aren't quite the same. 19:32, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
 * But exactly HOW are they different? The Super Star also increases Mario's speed. MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 14:58, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
 * They're simply distinct items, that just so happen to have the same function. On the flipside, we split Power Star, the star from the Mario Party series, and Mario's Star, even though they're technically the same item, just with a completely different function (they probably should get mentioned in the article in some way or another however). I say its appearance and name alone is good enough for a split for this article. 15:18, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
 * The Super Star actually doesn't increase Mario's speed. You're probably confusing that players often continuously run while under the effects of the Super Star (or Starman or whatever you want to call it) as they don't have to worry about accidentally running into a Goomba or something. 16:36, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
 * In New Super Mario Bros. I know for a fact it increases your speed, having played Mario vs Luigi far too often. I also think it does that in New Super Mario Bros. Wii as well. I run a lot in those games, and there's definitely a difference in speed when under effects of the star. I don't think it applies to previous installments like Super Mario World, though. 16:40, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Ah, my bad. I haven't played the NSMB series a lot recently. But I agree with you, BL. Name and appearance alone is reason enough for it own article. 19:52, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I wouldn't say so. Also, I have seen myself, the Superstar DOES increase speed. And I'm not being confused, I run as if I'm invincible even when I'm not, and I can tell for a fact that the Superstar increases speed. Name and appearance, also, is not enough for something to warrant it's own article. MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 02:01, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
 * If you really want to merge this article, why don't you start a TPP? Though keep in mind that I will oppose your call to merge, as reasons stated above. 19:00, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Okay, but how do I start a TPP? MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 20:57, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Look at how the talk page of Super Star handled it. Try copying the coding there, paste it to this talk page, then altering to fit in your own reasons. Make sure the deadline is 2 weeks after the day you proposed it (if it's today, the deadline would be in May 14, 2016 ,23:59 GMT). When you're done, update the list of Talk Page proposals, also copying and pasting and altering the coding to match. 21:02, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Merge with Super Star
There are a few reasons:


 * The music that plays is the same
 * The actual effect is the same
 * Unlike what a lot of people will be saying, the Super Star does increase speed
 * It's basically a renamed, stylized Super Star

Proposer: Deadline: May 14, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Merge

 * 1) Per my proposal
 * 2) - Unless there are good reasons for their separation from the  Super Star except the different color and name, I think it is a good idea that it should merge with Super Star, in my opinion the developers of Super Mario Galaxy (and SMG2) chose to change the style to avoid that the player may have confusion between the Super Star and Power Star, since they have a similar style. We have RPG items merge together despite the name difference and have the same effect (from what I know: Turtley Leaf, Chocolate Cake and Fried Shroom Plate (Fried Shroom and Shroom Fry have the same effect for the last one). So, the same logics should also be used here.
 * 3) That is indeed a great idea. Per both!
 * 4) Merge Rainbow Mario with Invincible Mario as well.

Don't merge

 * 1) - I know there are several other Power-Ups that do the some thing as another, yet have a different name and/or appearance. So, unless we're willing to do merging for those as well, I'm going to say no.
 * 2) Per myself above and reasons it got split in the first place. They're distinct items, distinct enough to warrant separate articles. The logic also works in the flipside to why Mario's Star, Power Star, and the like are split: even though those items have the same literal appearance as a star, they have completely different purposes and hence why they're split. It makes more sense this way and it's less convoluted than merging this item together with the other.
 * 3) Regardless of the similar effects, they are still treated as different power-ups. Consider Rainbow Stars the Mario Galaxy version of Super Stars.
 * 4) I don't actually agree with the "they have different appearance period" argument, but since the super star reappeared in latter Mario games, this clearly was not a replacement for it, just a different version.

Comments
I'll also point out that you need to consider Invincible Mario and Rainbow Mario. Also, the rainbow effects are similar, except in Super Mario Galaxy 2, where the developers just got really lazy. 21:59, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Alex95: Mega Mushroom from Mario Party 4? There was even a failed proposal to split it (and Mini Mushroom), so keep that in mind. You can challenge those outcomes, but keep in mind, it's pretty inconsistent how we deal with that stuff either way. 22:09, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Alex95: Can I know what are the "several others power-ups"? -- 22:11, 30 April 2016 (EDT)


 * The only one that comes to mind right now are the Green Stars. There are ones from Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 3D World. They both share the same effect (collect them to unlock more stages) and even the same name, yet they have two different articles. 22:16, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm sure they should be merge, I don't even know why they are separate.-- 22:19, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I support a merge of that article as well, there's no reason they need to be separate. 22:22, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Oh wow, I'm involved in that related proposal and its follow-up too to keep it split (LeftyGreenMario and Mario are me). Right now, I don't know if we should split this or not. 22:23, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I honestly think the stuff they do isn't completely different enough to warrant a separate article. In a sense, both are still fundamentally collectable items in a 3D platforming game. It's just that one of them has a fancy finish animation and the other doesn't. 22:24, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Pretty much, yeah. There's absolutely no difference. To be honest, this is the only item I can find looking through the list. But I'm sure there's more. I'm just not checking EVERY item to find one. 22:28, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Baby Luigi: Mario's Star and Power Stars have very different functions, the only difference between Rainbow Stars and Power Stars is the name and appearance, which were only really changed so they wouldn't get muddled up. The functions are identical. MarioKid (Talk) 22:27, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Functions alone isn't enough to consider a split for this article. If that's the case, are you going to merge Invincibility Barrel to this article? Probably not. Though it's a fairly extreme example what I'm using, in this wiki, name and appearance are strong arguments to warrant a split of two items. And I don't see the harm of keeping it either. Perhaps you'd have a stronger case if this item was also called a "Super Star" instead of a "Rainbow Star" and if it kept the trademark eyes, except it's rainbow, but it's not the case here. 22:30, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Though the functions are the same, these two are clearly different items. I say we should just leave it. There's no real reason to merge them. It'd be useful if we had an article for every different item, instead of trying to keep them all in one article, where it could get confusing. 22:34, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I'd also like to say if it's really the developer's intention to make this item distinct, I'd argue that this is also a case for keeping it split, as they're really going for a distinct item. Super Mario Galaxy plays by different rules than the traditional 2D Mario platformers (hell, even Super Mario 3D Land and the future Mario games), and having a separate article for its different invincibility power-up as opposed to simply using a regular star demonstrates that. 22:37, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * But it was only changed so it wouldn't be confused with a Power Star. And, besides, the Invincibility Barrel isn't star-shaped, is it? The only difference between the 2 stars is that the Rainbow Star has a different name, and different colour. MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 22:49, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I've already acknowledged that my example is a bit extreme, but saying that "they're both star-shaped" isn't a strong argument, considering that it's an incredibly vague point, as well as the bunch of other star-shaped objects that are split off for different reasons. And you've ignored what I said: different name and appearance is a strong argument for a split. The Rainbow Star doesn't even have the trademark eyes from the star. 22:54, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Should we follow the same logics with the meals from Paper Mario games that we merge recently and split it all again, because they have a different names even if they do the same thing?-- 22:55, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Heh, you beat me to it. There are tons of items in RPGs that do the exact same thing, yet have a different appearance just to match the setting or requirements. 22:57, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

Baby Luigi: Oh really? Then how come the MP4 Mega Mushroom hasn't been split from the NSMB one? MarioKid (Talk) 23:01, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * FYI, this wiki isn't perfect. 23:03, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it's a mess sometimes. We do go to case-by-case here a bit. 23:06, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * So because this wiki isn't perfect we're not gonna bother making better? Alex95, that does sound like what you're saying. MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 23:07, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * We try, we really do. But here's the thing, people are fickle. If we DO merge Rainbow Star with the Super Star, there will be people going "Well, why aren't these two different items? They clearly are!" There's no pleasing everyone. We can just do the best we can. 23:08, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * And I'm not saying "no." Just that there would be a LOT of work trying to get everything consistent. But consistent in what way? Do we merge items that have similar effects, but different names? Or do we separate those items so they can have more information on their own article? 23:14, 30 April 2016 (EDT)
 * But there will also be more people asking "why are these seperate? They shouldn't be!". MP8Mario.pngKid (Talk) Luigi mp8 profile.png 08:02, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, exactly! 11:38, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
 * @MarioKid: I don't know, the Mega Mushroom from Mario Party probably deserves to be split too. But this is a red herring argument that doesn't belong here. And I don't like how you imply that we're not making this wiki better. We are, that's why we're opposing this proposal. By the way, it doesn't matter if there will be people who disagree, we have people who disagree all the time on censorship, transgenderism, Toad's identity, etc. People will have different views, but the view that has the most support and sound reasoning will always triumph over others. If we're going to please everybody, the wiki will be a mess. Also, please fix your signature. 13:35, 1 May 2016 (EDT)