MarioWiki:Proposals

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Delete the bonuses pages from the Super Smash Bros. series
Considering our limiting coverage of the Smash series, List of bonuses in Super Smash Bros. and List of bonuses in Super Smash Bros. Melee both seem relevant here. Our coverage is near-identical to the SmashWiki, and these pages are certainly not important enough to justify the separate pages, considering how less than five mainspace pages link to them in total. I'm also not particularly interested in merging them to the game pages; that'll add too much bloat which isn't worth it for, again, information that isn't important enough. No information is being lost here: we can link to the SmashWiki and absolutely nothing will be different.

Proposer: Deadline: November 15, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I'm per it, until I see newer comments.
 * 3) I opposed the last proposal over this because it fit into our full coverage of Smash Bros. at the time, but since that has been changed, I don’t really see a reason to keep these pages.
 * 4) I agree, SSB coverage could be simplified here as much as possible.
 * 5) As long as relevant bonuses are incorporated into their respective articles, now that the coverage has been limited, this is not explicitly needed much longer. Per all, TheFlameChomp especially.
 * 6) Per all

Merge Category:Personal images in use and Category:Personal images abandoned into Category:Personal images
Hi this is my first proposal. Something that has bugged me is that "Personal images in use" is not under the more simplified title "Personal images" (which is its master category title). The only explanation I can think of is because of the category "Personal images abandoned". If a personal image is unused or abandoned, I believe it is eligible for deletion. Plus there's no images under that category. If this proposal passes, I think its associated template can also be deleted.

Proposer: Deadline: November 13, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - I started this proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal. I was thinking personal-image-abandoned could be incorporated into the personal-image template, but that'd be kind of pointless if we can just replace the thing with.
 * 3) Maybe instead mark  as  (haha, irony), but other than that, it seems that this is a change I can live with. Per proposal.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * Eh, don't see the point of even marking personal images as abandoned as a good old delete/to be deleted template should do.

Oppose

 * 1) I've found some neat stuff in the personal-image-abandoned category in the slightly longer time frame they'd have before deletion, and as such I believe the template itself has merit. As that's part of the proposal, I'm opposing the whole thing.
 * 2) Per Schmeltwick.
 * 3) Per Doc. Also see my comment below.
 * 4) Per all.

Comments
The personal image limit is five, so even if you did find an image in the personal images abandoned category, that's one of the five personal images. Would not really be useful to keep around anyway, so.. Results May Vary (talk) 10:07, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * If they get merged, do they at least will be redirects? -- 14:15, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Can't say since i'm not an admin. But the main point is that there isn't a need for more than one personal images category. If it's abandoned, it will show up in Special:UnusedFiles anyway (and be tagged simply Personal images if the proposal passes). Results May Vary (talk) 14:57, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * @Results May Vary: The image only appears in Special:UnusedFiles if it's abandoned for more than a day, which is not likely to happen as admins usally delete things which are marked for deletion in maximum a few hours. 15:06, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Just because you don't think it's useful doesn't mean someone else won't. They're personal images for a reason. And you need to stop deleting them just because they've been replaced on the mainspace. That's rude. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:40, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Using the template will just place the image in Category:To be deleted anyway. I don't see a need for the abandoned template if it just does the exact same thing as the standard  template with a reason saying "Abandoned PI".
 * As for personal images being replaced, I look over whether they're worth keeping or not (factors include if other images on their page have been deleted, the user hasn't been active in several years, and/or they've exceeded the limit).  19:46, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * He was putting images of at least one semi-active user in the deletion category. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * At the moment, the guy has six custom images attributed to him (more than the limit), due to the personal image template linking to his renamed account and his original name. The images that were deleted were replaced with a higher quality version of images that can be used in the mainspace, so he can replace those on his pages if he wants. 20:08, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * I'd still consider this behavior a slippery slope, myself, and encouraging it's just pushing it further. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:11, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Probably, but like I said, I do go over the images marked for deletion, as do the other admins. If something should be kept, we'll keep it, but if there's any mistakes, it can be brought up on our talk pages. 20:14, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Any accidental deletions can usually be restored (unless the thing itself is entirely purged from the server), so I don't think we even have to worry about accidental deletions. I don't find "but there's neat stuff in there" that compelling of an argument to keep that abandoned template. 21:34, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Create pages with renditions of recognizable music themes
I think I've seen a few people around here entertain the idea of making distinct pages for themes that are very notable, such as the Ground and Underground themes from Super Mario Bros. or the DK Jungle Swing theme from Donkey Kong Country. However, I do not have deep knowledge in music theory to analyse them, but I want to start something of this kind, so I have an alternative: making list pages that comprise all music based on a particular famous theme from the Mario franchise. They'd look similar to those media file pages we already have and the tracks would be listed by the games they appear in.

This way, it would be easier to browse different renditions of a theme for anyone interested, on pages that can be updated at the blink of an eye. Not to mention that such themes are definitely worth covering on their own in some way.

However, there is one rule: the theme must be renditioned in at least 8 games, not counting remakes or reissues. Any renditions made for a remake, such as the Overworld theme from the Super Mario All-Stars version of Super Mario Bros., will be added as an aside. The pages should also describe the changes in each rendition.

To start off, we could take the following themes in consideration (as per 's comment below):
 * All themes from Super Mario Bros. I mean, you know they all appeared in some form in at least 10+ games as of now.
 * Overworld theme from Super Mario Bros. 2. It appeared in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series with multiple variations.
 * DK Island Swing from Donkey Kong Country. It can be heard in DKC2, DK64, Smash, Mario Kart 7 and 8, Mario Super Sluggers etc.
 * The Slider theme from Super Mario 64. It can be heard in Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario 3D World, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker.


 * Super Mario Bros. overworld theme
 * Super Mario Bros. cave theme
 * Super Mario Bros. invincibility theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 fortress theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 boss theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 airship theme
 * Donkey Kong Country Jungle Hijinks (DK Island Swing)
 * Super Mario 64 Peach's Castle theme
 * Super Mario 64 Secret Slide theme

If you can think of any more, or if you want to discuss the ones I listed, please leave a comment.

Proposer: Deadline: November 16, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) per proposal
 * 2) As themes with lyrics such as Mike's Theme haves pages, I do agree that common music themes should have pages such as the ones mentioned above, even if they do not have lyrics.Per proposal.
 * 3) Per proposal and my addition; I must emphasize that these should not be simple lists of media files, but be actual articles interlaced with media files. (Also I'll finally have an excuse to finish the music theme navtemplate)

Comments
The regulation I came up with was "Must appear in at least 8 games, not counting remakes/reissues." The themes I had come up with were as follows:
 * Super Mario Bros. overworld theme
 * Super Mario Bros. cave theme
 * Super Mario Bros. invincibility theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 fortress theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 boss theme
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 airship theme
 * Donkey Kong Country Jungle Hijinks (DK Island Swing)
 * Super Mario 64 Peach's Castle theme
 * Super Mario 64 Secret Slide theme

As for your first point, the SMB1 castle theme very rarely has recurred. If this regulation is added, I will gladly support. The pages, however, must entail changes in composition throughout the games, for instance, noting how the instrumentation changes and how later arrangements may add secondary melodies. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:18, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * I will add this rule to the proposal because it seems reasonable, but I'm curious if there is a basis for the choice of 8 or more themes. -- 18:32, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * It's not too little, but it's still easily-countable. I was considering what counted as "notable enough for x" as being a similar case to my enemy table addition to the Super Mario series page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:36, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * Oh god, if we are to actually analyze the music, I can already see the blue "rewrite-expand" hell that's gonna plague these articles 0_o but I'll try to contribute on that. -- 18:46, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * I can do it, as long as I am directed to the renditions from the MP, sports, and other miscellaneous subseries I don't buy into. I've composed before. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * Oh right, an additional reason for the amount: music can be a bit of a sue-trigger for copyright holders, so I didn't want too many pages focused on individual themes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2018 (EST)