Talk:Paper Mario: Color Splash

Missing things
Where is the reception?! －&thinsp; yhynerson1 ( talk,  contribs )  20:42, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
 * The game hasn't even been released, so there is no reception to report. MarioComix (talk) 21:36, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

Do you really think adding the pre-release fanbase reception was a good idea?
I don't think adding it is a good idea at all. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I know Super Mario Wiki here tends to avoid "fanbase reception", and usually only reports on official reviews and sales. However, the edit does provide sources, and I personally can't invalidate those any more than official reviews. MarioComix (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I don't know how reliable the said sources are, if they are wiki-material sources. 19:01, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Just to say, the Fan Reception that was added a while ago was copy and pasted right from Wikipedia. 20:38, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, I KNOW it was copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I just think it doesn't suit for it to include the fanbase reception, unless it makes them beyond happy or beyond sad/angry. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:32, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Should've reverted plagiarism at first notice. In terms of fan reactions, there isn't much say in Reception and Sales except "User scores on larger publications and Nintendo's own built-in systems (such as on the Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS or Wii U) can also be used, especially if there's a noticeable discrepancy between critic and player reception." though the next sentence immediately warns: "However, it's generally unadvisable to make qualitative statements such as 'The game was well-received on Miiverse', as these statements are prone to weasel-wording and can hardly be 'proven' one way or another." I have to note on the latter part of the later sentences on why I do not support making statements on general fan section. There are no means to properly generalize fan reactions (after all, this whole "negative fan reception" can characterize a mere vocal minority). That there is one source, techradar, is fine, but it's one of the two sources (techradar and nintendo-insider) provided and you also have to examine the source rather than accept them just for being sources. The source provided is a single opinion by an author from techradar is far from enough to avoid a hasty generalization as "fans of the series, who were critical of the game for seemingly continuing the gameplay style used in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, which had a lessened focus on RPG elements, story, and featured no original characters" (techradar's opinion piece was the source for that statement). Sure, the piece itself says, "Us Paper fans are very wary", but that's just an empty statement. The other source, is again, an opinion piece from techradar. To be fair, this one does a tad better job at trying to sum up fan reactions, but its only supporting evidence is that there is a change org petition to cancel the game and one comment. The rest is just opinion, not really reporting. The last source is basically a repeat of the change org petition, but it's also not supported and does not make any generalizations to fan reactions. I don't think fan knee-jerk reactions deserve any coverage on this wiki unless they're actually significant. These aren't. None of these sources themselves provide anything substantial to back up the claim that "fan reception is very negative" aside from the ridiculous change.org petition. Even then, something on change.org isn't significant aside from there are really unhinged people in the Paper Mario fanbase. 20:01, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I say we put back the reviews because, remember the game had only been around for 30 minutes when it was first announced and people already hated it. 16:45, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
 * This is not the first game that had mixed reception from the fans who judged only using the trailer as source. If you want pre-release fan reception to be covered for all games, I think you should make a proposal.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
 * @Fawful's Minion: YouTube comments sections are hardly good indicators of a resource that is difficult to quantificate and therefore add as a legit source in MarioWiki. As for the reviewer comments, it sounds like a legit op-ed but I'm not too sure if it's a good idea to source it, for all the reasons my twin has said. 20:34, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

Sledge Bro.
Can someone please tell me if Sledge Bro. is really a boss in Paper Mario: Color Splash, because I remove this information since there was no source that come with this information and now someone else add this information back to the article and once again without a source. So, do Sledge Bro. make a appearance in Paper Mario: Color Splash as a boss? -- 14:00, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm 100% sure that i've seen a Sledge Bro as a boss in a demo at E3 (on YouTube), but right now i can't find it anywhere :c I think it's a better idea to remove Sledge Bro from the page, maybe it was just the boss for the demo. - 20:29, 17 June 2016 (CET)
 * He appears in the GameXplain's video of 15 minutes of footage from a game demo, along with a collectible to increase the maximum number of cards that can be used at once. Since the video was made private or maybe even removed, we cannot cite a source for now. This is also why I didn't add the line about the collectible.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2016 (EDT)