MarioWiki:Featured articles/N1/Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

Support

 * 1) This article is very detailed,has much images,sections this must be a FA!
 * 2) Luigi456
 * 3) Mario304
 * 4) User:Super Bowser Jr.
 * 5) User:Yoshionfire
 * 1) Mario304
 * 2) User:Super Bowser Jr.
 * 3) User:Yoshionfire
 * 1) User:Yoshionfire

Oppose

 * 1) - Bestiary is incomplete. We need a picture of Wiggler and Bowser X (the rest, I can handle, but please answer my question in my comments below!). Plus long trivia section is a long trivia section.
 * 2) - Until that construction template is gone, then I'll consider. Although I think some Trivia tidbits can be moved to the Differences section.
 * 3) - No offense, but both the battle section is s*** bad. It has information that is not true and also some of the trivia could fit in the gameplay differences. Gameplay differeces in Trivia. And the release difference could just be in the trivia.
 * 4) - It's surprisingly incorrect in places.
 * 5) - Everything seems messed under the summary; a rewrite tag, the supposed "bestiary" is incomplete and less informative, and needs a good cleanup overall.
 * 6) - Sorry, but IT IS lacking consistency and detail in quite a lot of places. Needs some more images, too. And how come there is no mention about there being no save after Dark Bowser has been punched into OBLIVION? Surely there should be at least some information about that in Trivia or some such section?
 * 7) Needs a lot of work on the story section. PEr all.
 * 8) Per all.

Removal of Opposes
Frostyfireyoshi


 * 1) There are enough images and we don't need that info, its not very important at all.
 * 2) Per FF65 and like BMB said in the comments it goes in the Mario & Luigi (series) Article.
 * 3) - There are more than enough images now, information is now consistent, and comments my comments below...
 * 4) It's quite consistent and detailed. The no save after Bowser dudeguy getting punched to heck is not important.

Paperwaluigi


 * 1) It seems correct everywhere to me.
 * 2) Same Here also in the section there's a image.
 * 3) - If it is not correct anymore, than all the rewriting I did on the story part is useless. I played the game, and read the entire page, and they are both right!!!
 * 4) It's fine now!!!

LeftyGreenMario

 * 1) Even though I voted for oppose, first of all, there is no construction template and second of all, I don't think so that any of the trivia has to be merged into the differences section because the differences section is just the Mario and Luigi games and some of the stuff on the trivia is differences on all the games. (unless someone creates a "differences from other games" section)

Comments
Needs a longer summary for a nice introduction
 * If you think so, you should actually oppose.

The article is riddled with bad writing, grammar issues, and typos that cannot be corrected in a simple sweep. They are so ingrained in the writing that it must be looked over several times and re-written again and again before it's anywhere near readable. The Enemies sections is largely composed of nothing but tables, which should be split off into a Bestiary article akin to the Paper Mario article. This article is close to being filled-out, but it's only an essay seemingly written the night before due-date. It needs polishing. Redstar 00:11, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Redstar, before you go changing everything, you got to think about what I said on the Superstar saga comments. We just can go fit every detail to the last atom added or else it would be very unorganized, very long (bore users half-way through it), and it would be plain out chaos!!! And if you want to talk about the grammar, and how it has to be prefect, then right it yourself!!!
 * Per my response to you on the MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N/Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga page, high standards for a supposedly high-standard honor is not a bad thing. I am not asking for "every detail to the last atom" to be added. I am simply asking for all relevant information to be added and organized in the proper way. Boring users is not our concern. If they don't want to read the "boring" sections, they can either not read them or just not come to the page. Redstar 00:26, 29 November 2009 (EST)


 * It's well written, but it needs two images to fill the gap between the image of Fawful Express and the cake at the end of the game.--

I've added tags to all the sections that I feel needs work. It's far worse than I initially expected. As before, bad writing, grammar issues, and typos are riddled throughout the text of this article. I also ran into text that seemingly was added out of no where, which implies vandalism, but I really don't know. I recommend these areas be taken care of before I change my vote. Redstar 07:24, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * Other Bestiary??!!-WTF?!-- 08:58, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * It's the standard that technically must be done anyways. Just make a motion to split it, then work on it later while this article can be featured without it. Redstar 09:01, 29 November 2009 (EST)
 * It not a standard. There's no "All FAs have to have a bestiary" or anything like that for the FA requirements. Check the Featured Articles page and look under the FA Standards section.
 * Per FF65, why does it have to be the Mario & Luigi Series so suddenly. We have bestiary for Paper Mario, because that is because the game has a bestiary since you can tattle on enemies. There is not bestiary related stuff in the Mario & Luigi series! Also, why this series, why are you not changing or rewriting stuff on other articles that are in worse shape than this one. This one and there series of Mario & Luigi have great articles, with a flaw or a few, but that is beyond my point. We don't need to rewrite entire pages and sections just to change the page into what you want it to look like. The bestiary stuff, we don't need it for this series!!!!! Please, many users worked hours, days, even weeks on this just for it to reach a high level like this. Don't change it just because you have major issues with grammar or small information is missing from the already long story section!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Why not make this into a proposal? Other users can choose on if there should or shouldn't be a bestiary.
 * I think that should be good
 * Proposal time then!
 * It is a standard. I didn't imply it was a standard for Featured Articles, but for game articles in general. I am bringing it up now because you guys want to Feature this article, and I feel it's not good enough for that. It therefore gets seniority over the other articles, because no one is suggesting that those are good. Baby Mario Bloops: "many" users may have worked for weeks, as you say, but the article does not have a "high level". Anyone with a basic high school-level English reading skill can see that. And I'm an English major, so obviously I can see all the issues with writing. MATEOELBACAN doesn't even appear to have English as a first-language, and he's the one writing most of this. Seriously, the article needs work. Redstar 22:37, 29 November 2009 (EST)


 * Yes,my first language is Spanish, but what's wrong with it?!, I'm good with English!, and I only want to help!
 * I understand you want to help, we all do, but an intimate understanding of the language is necessary for polished presentation of it on an English wiki. Fawful made some "corrections", but really she corrected things that were already correct and made them worse. I like the work you've both done already, but as far as writing is concerned you need to treat careful ground. (Though Fawful's recent editing of the Paper Mario page has been really nice) Redstar 21:46, 30 November 2009 (EST)
 * Well, if grammar issues isn't important, it isn't well written. F.A.'s are well-written articles unless you consider horrible grammar "well-written". Plus, horrible grammar makes our wiki look dumb. Just because "many users" worked on it for weeks (yes, we can give credit for their courtesy and commitment) doesn't mean it shall be high-quality..yet. We have to continue working on it before we can make this a featured article.

Alright, after a look over and a few edits, the only things I feel need to be changed before changing my vote is moving the artwork gallery to the correct location, and expanding the Battle System section a bit. While most of the battle mechanics aren't much different from the previous two games, we still shouldn't have to go to the Superstar Saga article to learn how the third game in the series plays. I recommend just copying-pasting all the information over for consistency, then making changes when need-be. Redstar 15:29, 4 December 2009 (EST)

I think that if the enemy table was removed and the Trivia and Differences sections were weeded through, this article would be perfect for a featured article. As is, I could go either way. Sournote103 6 December 2009

I think the same but also I think that don't remove the table,only re-add to it the images of before.

Yeah, the table needs some pictures, some color. Look at the Superstar Saga article's tables! They look great with the pictures!

Exactly x3
 * "Weeded" through the Differences and Trivia section, removing quite a bit of trivial information. Looks much cleaner. Redstar 20:43, 19 December 2009 (EST)

Other than the table, I think the only place in need of fixing is the screenshots subsection in the gallery. I mean, there's some Japanese screenshots, and some English screenshots. We need all the screenshots in one language: of course English. Also, the character sprites should be deleted from that subsection and possibly go in another subsection for "Game Sprites".
 * There isn't much text and it is always explained what is seen in the image. Unless an equivalent screenshot in English is available, I don't think that really matters. Of course, the (original) Japanese (or whatever language) version is as official as the English one. --Grandy02 15:11, 28 December 2009 (EST)


 * Frostyfireyoshi, in every Mario & Luigi series game, you could never save after you defeat the final boss (PiT: Shrowser was the true final boss, technically). If it happens in the series, it goes to this page.


 * Per BMB
 * Okay, BLOF, I got Jailgoon, Chuboomba, and Fawfulcopter back into the "bestiary" area. I will see if any other enemies are missing...

What color is Kretin X when it's normal? And should I add Straw X and Small Wisdurm X in there? But someone else must place the stats in there because I never played the game, nor looked at any guide.

Huh? Kretin already got added. But I still need to consider adding in Straw X and Wisdurm X and I need approval! And is having a screenshots section really necessary after the game came out?
 * Well, BLOF, if you have Straw X and Wisdurm X (small), then you can add them, I have the stats (I think there right). And, since the other Mario & Luigi games don't have a screenshot gallery, just get rid of it.
 * Ok, I'll upload them, but after I'm done with that, can you (or anyone for that matter) please place the stats in? And I hope someone will at least rip just one teeny sprite of Wiggler? It could help, even in a good quality screen shot (as I can crop the sprite directly out of the image.

That last guy's support vote is a fan vote. Can someone remove it?
 * Well, you can put it under the now support/oppose section. When there are three votes, then we can delete it. It is better because the user may not understand that it needs to be valid, so give him/her time to change if they will.
 * No, you can't. You cannot vote to remove support votes. It is indeed the case that a sysop can remove any vote if they deem it inadequate, but why do you want that anyway? It doesn't hurt anybody, it doesn't count at all, since there are already (way) more than 5 support votes.
 * Sorry, I guess I forgot that you can't remove supports, I was always confused on it, sorry. And, I know it doesn't hurt, and I know that I might seem crazy, but I don't really want fan votes to start appearing because we didn't do something, but that is my opinion.
 * No problem. Actually, we're having a discussion on this very topic, check this if you want.

Will Someone please find a picture of WIggler! I cant find one anywhere!!!!!!!!!!
 * Um, I think your missing the fact that we cannot find one, and it doesn't help with the obvious stated (not to be mean), that's pretty much what is wrong with the article, Wiggler pic and stats for Dark Mechawful.5...


 * According to the Dark Mechawful.5 article, it states that the only differences are increased defenses and a timer. I assume it has the same stats as Dark Mechawful, but it's only an assumption.
 * Wow, I can't believe, that's right (except POW is increased too...). I thought that HP was also increased, but I guess I was wrong...I'll go change it...

SOMEONE MUST FIND A PICTURE OR A SPRITE OF WIGGLER!!!!!!!
 * :(, that's not helping out with the situation. Maybe you can look for the picture?