MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM"
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 28 2024 (EDT)

Different characters
Often when browsing the wiki, there are various articles about two character such as Mario and Luigi's Parents and Mario Joe and Luigi Bob. I propose a split of these articles who is about two characters, into two characters. Of course, these articles shouldn't only say thins such as "Mario and Luigi's Father has a pipe and appeard in a comic strip and at the end of Yoshi's Island and Super Mario Advance 3" and nothing more, but there shall be things written on both articles, such as their background. I propose a split of pages like those.

Proposer: Deadline: February 21, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) Despite there not being enough info, they ARE seperate characters. THIS MEANS ASHLEY AND RED!

Oppose

 * 1) The reason for two characters being merged in one article usually is that there isn't enough to say about each of them. If this proposal passed, we would need to split all of these articles, and that would automatically result in more stub articles. If you feel that a certain article should be split, you should discuss it on the talk page, not through a proposal.
 * 2) - Per Time Q, this has to be decided individually.
 * 3) - Per Time Q. There's nothing to says about Master Mantis, why should we make a separate article for him?
 * 4) As the writer of the current Mario and Luigi's Parents article, I remember being grateful that I didn't have to rewrite the same historical information twice.  If characters are never seen apart from one another and do not have detailed backstories, I feel it is fine to leave them combined.
 * 5) Per the Q of Time. We don't need most things seperated.
 * 6) Per Time Q
 * 7) Per Time Q.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; GENO WHIRL! If we create the articles seperate, then those articles will mostly be copies/clones of each other, with very minor changes.
 * 10) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 11) mario1780 i oppose
 * 1) mario1780 i oppose

Comments

 * WTF! I never made this propsal D=< I'v been posed as!
 * If you visited Recent Change every so often. You would notice than there is an user called "KingMario" (Without the spaces) that sometimes edit. You haven't been "posed as". --Blitzwing 17:18, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, but why does the link go to his userpage? 0_o

Uuh, KingMario, aren't you going to vote for your own proposal?!

WAIT JUST A DARN MINUTE!!! If we have certain "double" articles, why does every obscure game get an article? Why don't we mege those too. Characters are just as inportant as games. HyperToad
 * Oh, no. Games should be the main focus of this wiki (at least from my point of view). And game articles can actually be extended, whereas there is usually nothing more to add to those merged character articles. 15:06, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * You'll see, though, that remakes in which barely anything was changed are in a sub-section in the original game's article. See Super Mario Bros. for example.  17:43, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Difficulty
Why does the level template used in DKC and SMW2 levels, among others, have a section that says something along the lines of Difficulty: Super Easy? This seems to be POV- What if I thought, say, Jungle Hijinks was hard, but the page said otherwise? This could call for many edits and opinionated statements. I propose that the template is changed so it doesn't have the Difficulty: Whatever.

Proposer: GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · Look what I did! Look what I did!: Deadline: February 18, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · Look what I did! Look what I did!: For reasons I stated.
 * 2) Per GreenKoopa. This is indeed POV and we don't want that here.
 * 3) - Per all. Especially cuz I suck and it makes me realize how much I suck every time I see a level I had a ton of trouble with labeled as "easy" :P
 * 4) Yes,Wrold 1-1 is easier that World 8-8, duh. But as the proposer said, level difficulty is mostly opinion and I don't really see what's the point of having it.
 * 5) Unless Nintendo provides difficulty levels (I believe they did for the SMB3 Advance guide), we should allow the reader to determine difficulty for themselves and list out the threats of the level, which we already do.
 * 6) PaperStriker Difficulty says nothing, it can even change if you replay the level. For example in Galaxy, I found the Trial-Galaxies were very hard with Mario, but with you-know-who, I beat them in a few tries.
 * 7) Well, the Special World of SMW is obviously harder than, say, Cheese Bridge. :P So per all.
 * 8) - It's simply a subjective parameter that can't be decided encyclopedially. What if there was a dispute about a level's difficulty?
 * 9) Con 20:07, 12 February 2008 (EST) Level difficulty is only an opinion. Let's not confuse this with difficulty set options (like the setting Classic mode in Melee to Easy, which is for a fact easier than the Normal difficulty).
 * 10) Yeah, per all.
 * 11) Walkazo - Per all...
 * 12) Per all. [[Image:ToadetteMP8.png|35px]] Toadette   4evur!!  [[Image:MP7_Toadette.jpg|35px]]
 * 13) Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; Per all. It's mostly people's opinion, and how good they are at gaming. My mom might think the first level in Super Mario World is Extra Hard. My dad may think it's medium. Meanwhile, most people think it's easy. Just opinions...
 * 14) Agreed.
 * 15) Its only official if Nintendo stated the difficulty in a Guide Book, or something. If Nintendo didn't officially state it, well, then its just a matter of opinion. POV has no place here.
 * 16) Well, I decided to change mine :P  Per everyone else.
 * 1) Its only official if Nintendo stated the difficulty in a Guide Book, or something. If Nintendo didn't officially state it, well, then its just a matter of opinion. POV has no place here.
 * 2) Well, I decided to change mine :P  Per everyone else.

Oppose

 * 1) The Dreadnought Galaxy is harder than the Good Egg Galaxy. Duh.

Comments
Fly Guy 2: Ehheheheh, I athought the speed run Prankster Comet in Good Egg galaxy was actually harder than the Dreadnaught galaxy. See? The whole difficulty thing is all opinion. --Blitzwing 20:51, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Well, then Blitz is odd. Oh and we should RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVLY.

I have a comment- ITS ALL OPINION. Lets say you think... world 1-1 in SMB is easy, but I think its relativly difficult. Whos right? NEITHER OF US, FG2. If you are at a bad skill level, you will think a level is difficult. If your super-good, it might be easy. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · eekdance:: PS: SNUFIT BALL DOES NOT NEED TO BE RECREATED AGGRESIVLY.

One thing we could do is to do a vote on the difficulty of all the levels, and then say the "estimated difficulty" is whatever. This would be rather long and hard, though...

Main Article Template
I've noticed with a lot of articles on main characters (e.g.:Mario), it shows that character's relations with other character (e.g.:Luigi, Peach, etc.). That article section gives a brief synopsis of his or her relation with another character with the Main Article Template above it. However, the articles also give a brief synopsis of appearances in games, and how his or her role is important to the story of that game. I think that the Main Article Template should also appear in this area of the articles. For example, with the Mario article, it would say Main Article: Paper Mario above the synopsis of Mario's role in Paper Mario.

Proposer: Deadline: February 18, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) HyperToad Of course, I don't see why not.
 * 1) HyperToad Of course, I don't see why not.

Oppose

 * 1) I don't think this is necessary. The links to the corresponding articles are there anyway. Putting this template almost everywhere is overkill, and it doesn't serve its purpose.
 * 2) - Per Time Q. The purpose of the Main Article template is not a "see also" notice, but that the content which could else be exactly in the section where the template is used has been split up into a different article.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) --Blitzwing 13:47, 11 February 2008 (EST) Per Time Q.
 * 5) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 6) PaperStriker Per all. (duh)
 * 7) Con 20:07, 12 February 2008 (EST) Would cause the template to become overused.
 * 21:53, 12 February 2008 (EST) Like Cobold said, Main Article isn't a See Also, which I think is more appropriate with what you're thinking of. I know to say "during the events of", etc. breaks in-universe writing, but I really don't think that's a big problem.
 * 1) Per Time Q (surprisingly). [[Image:ToadetteMP8.png|35px]] Toadette   4evur!!  [[Image:MP7_Toadette.jpg|35px]]
 * 2) - Per Time Q and Cobold.
 * 1) - Per Time Q and Cobold.

Comments
Of course, we could easily create a "see also" template which does the same as the Main Article template with different text: "See also". However, this shouldn't be overused, especially when the article of the game is linked in the text anyway. - 13:07, 11 February 2008 (EST)

You know what I think we should do? Mabybe we should only do what the proposal said if the character is the main character in the game. For example, for the Paper Mario section in the Mario article should have the main article template, but not in, say, Bowser's article. The part of Peach's article about Super Princess Peach would have a main article template, but not in Mario's article. What do you guys think? Then Mario's article still would be full of templates. He has more than 15 games of his own. --PaperStriker 08:09, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * And what would you do with Super Paper Mario, with features several playable characters? Or every Super Mario Bros. game where Luigi is also playable? This sounds inconsistent. - 10:38, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * We don't have to if you don't want to, but I would go by the character in the title, or the default character.
 * The "links to the corresponding articles" are in the synopsis paragraphs for games. You're right. BUT, in--let's just say--the Mario article, links to Luigi, Princess Peach, Toad', Bowser, Yoshi, Wario, you get the point. Since these links are used (sometimes several times) previously in the article, what is the point of the Main Article Template? As for how to use the template, you would only use the character played as most in the game. For Super Paper Mario, Mario's article would be the only one with Main Article: Super Paper Mario. Though Luigi, Peach, Bowser, and a number of Pixls can be played as, Mario is the character played as most. As for Super Mario Bros., Mario and Luigi would both have the template, since both can be played as the same amount of time during the game. For Super Mario Bros. 2, the same principal would work, only with Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, and Toad. As for...Yoshi's Island DS, Yoshi would be the only character with the template in the article. Though almost all other color Yoshis are played as in the game, Yoshi's article is the only one to mention a main role in the game. The Babies wouldn't have the template in their articles simply because they couldn't survive without Yoshi (or Yoshis). Party games and spin-off games wouldn't have Main Article Templates, because no character is played as more than the other due to choice and the fact that some are unlocked (which would be a spoiler).
 * As Cobold explained, this is not the purpose of this template. If a section has the Main Article template, the reader knows: What I'm reading is a short synopsis of the link article's content. However, to use your example, this article is not an extended version of this section, because it's not only about Mario's role in the game but about the game in general. Also look at articles like Yoshi, which combine several games in one section. We would have to put more than one Main Article template then. 04:03, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * With Yoshi, if you are referring to Hero Rescue, there are two games mention, yes. But only one of which can Yoshi be played as, Super Mario 64 DS. As with Flipped, I guess it wouldn't be so much a synopsis as it would be a...cliff-notes version of the Story, so nonetheless it is a "shorter version" of this. Even though it does tell about the game in general, not just Mario's role (this I do agree with), it does tell the whole story, Mario's role and all.

Forget it. And Toadette, Stop being so mean to Time Q he had the right to his own OPINION!!! (Even if it was the wrong opinion.)
 * I don't care about that anymore. We just don't get along. We used to get along, but we stopped after not to long. [[Image:ToadetteMP8.png|35px]] Toadette   4evur!!  [[Image:MP7_Toadette.jpg|35px]]

LETS RECREATE SNUFIT BALL AGRESSIVELY
I think the Snufit Ball deserves an article. Duh. It's an important object! Article worthy!

Proposer: Deadline: February 19, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) I made the proposal.
 * 2) - We have an article on freaking Mario's Hat and even his damn Gloves, Mario's Hat may have a small effect on gameplay in a couple of games, but his GLOVES certainly don't. If Mario's Gloves are enough for an article, than why not Snufit Ball? Mario's Gloves don't even do anything, while Snufit Balls do. Although, if we do end up having the article, it should probably be Snifit Ball...

Oppose

 * 1) PaperStriker WTF? o_O It does affect gameplay even less than platforms.
 * 2) - "Important object"? Oh, really? Would you create an article on Mario's left ear? This is way too minor.
 * 3) Other minor subjects have been obtainable items, etc.  This one, not so much.  Mario's Gloves affected the storyline of LM, Snufit Ball doesn't do that for SM64.
 * 4) Per Cobold. [[Image:ToadetteMP8.png|35px]] Toadette   4evur!!  [[Image:MP7_Toadette.jpg|35px]]
 * 5) Per Everyone.
 * 6) I made the first proposal to recreate it, but yeah, per everyone.
 * 7) Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; His gloves are a collectible item, like Stumpers said. His gloves can actually be collected and are very important to the story. Meanwhile, a simple dumb cannonball...no. It's only a simple weapon that appears for one second. How about creating Monty Mone's Rock or Snifit Ball or Snifit Mask or Mario's Nose...how about Grass or Tree? Or a Leaf in a Tree. Oh, no...how about, The Manual of the Game "Hotel Mario"! I'm sorry if I offensed anyone.
 * 8) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 9) Per Paper Jorge.
 * 10) We've already had this darn proposal, but blitz got rid of it! And like Cobold said, Would you make an article on his ear? or maybe his kidney!
 * 11) MarioGalaxy2433g5 Per all
 * 12) Uniju the hat was an actuall item in Luigi's Mansion!

Comment
Is this worthy of another Proposal? We already had one related to the Snufit Ball article, and it was decided to NOT make the article.
 * I think he's making a joke. 01:06, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * OK, can I remove this Proposal, in that case?
 * It's not up to me, but maybe to make this cleaner we should get some more imput? Buuuut... if you want to delete it I'm not going to complain.  01:17, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Pokemon DP: Actually, there is no conscensus on the Snufit Ball since I deleted the proposal before it could pass (It was winning 3-1, BTW). No opinion on this proposal, thought.

The fact that this was meant to be a joke, that it was badly done, or the fact that Fly Guy 2 made it shouldn't get in the way of people voting. ._.
 * Uniju - Mario's Glove is a collectible item in Luigi's Mansion. That's something different, if it hadn't been, it definitely wouldn't have been worth an article. - 09:55, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Cobold: Actually, I don't think Mario would be quite as popular without a left ear. J/K, but since there's an entire wiki devoted to the Snufit Ball, there might be potential for an article. I'm not voting in this, though. Yet.

Er, InfectedShroom, I believe that Wiki was made by Snufit Ball-crazed fans from this Wiki, made simply as a joke.
 * Yeah, I know. :P But that place is hilarious. XD
 * So, how does the Snufit Ball Wiki being hilarious make it any more article-worthy here?
 * Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I just was... Uh... Making... a... uh... point? :P
 * Not true, Uniju. First of all, you shouldn't curse (however minor the curse-word) in your votes, and second of all, Mario's Gloves are actually needed to capture Madame Clairvoya in Luigi's Mansion, so they DO indeed effect gameplay.  Heh heh, you've been PWNed >:D
 * Yeah, so? I don't care if you get to use them to attract ghosts in Luigi's Mansion, because Snufit Balls(Or Snifit Balls?) Are a lot more freaking important then his gloves. They appear in every game with Snifits(Snufits), and effect gameplay in every one of them. Also, I don't want to hear anything about if I should f***in' swear of f***in' not on the f***in' internet.
 * You can swear in the internet; just not here. I'm not voting because it's already a landslide, but the ball is so minor, it should be stay on the Snufit/Snifit article.

What you guys will say about? Mario's Shirt. It doesn't affect gameplay at all.
 * Someone needs to merge that into Mario's article... one more proposal... :( 17:47, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hey, not every discussion about merging articles need to be run throught a proposal. Pakkun Flower got merged without having to pass throught the proposal process. --Blitzwing 17:52, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, a proposal is only needed when there are disagreements on the split/merge. - 17:53, 15 February 2008 (EST)