Talk:Toad (species)

From the article: '''Dark Green Spots: Courageous, oftentimes a leader. Rarest coloration. (Example:Chancellor)''' The Toad in NSMB is Toadsworth or another Toad with brown spoots. Dragonfree
 * I don't believe the Chancellor is very courageous. He is the leader of the Mushroom Kingdom in one point in time, but he did not seem brave. In fact, whenever a villain (such as Mack or even a reformed Bowser) appears, the Chancellor gets scared and runs into a corner. This line should probably be deleted, unless there are other Toads with Dark Green spots that are brave and tend to be leaders. --Son of Suns 15:16, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * What about regular green?Superchao 21:47, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

The name "toad"
The article mentions that they are originally called mushroom retainers, but it doesn't mention when they are first called toads in the actual games. To tell you the truth, I don't even remember them being called toads, I just remember the character Toad being called Toad in SMB2 and various spinoff games. - Buddy

Name
The name of this article should be Toad (specie), not Toad (species). All article titles should be singular. This is the only article that has species in its name. (I.E. Yoshi (species), Subcon (species), etc.)

My bad.

Yup. Species is singular.

SMB2?
In section 1, it says that Toad has red spots in SMB2. Actually, the spots are blue. It could be lack of colours, though, since on the boxart they are red, and in the SNES and GBA remakes, they are red too. Maybe we should put that in as a side note...?


 * Officially, Toad has red spots in in SMB2. The blue spots are a result of programming in the NES. This could be noted if needed, but this topic is more appropriate for the Toad (character) article. -- Son of Suns

Species
I thought it was the character that appeared in Mario Super Star Baseball.- User: Ultimatetoad

Well, you could change his colors and the different colors do have different strengths... so I put it in the species.

Well, that makes sense. But what about Strikers? Were/Was He/They in it? - User: Ultimatetoad

Yeeeeeeeep. They were.

Toad is Peach's brother???
I thought Toad was peach's brother in the super mario bros super show. This could be truth, because in the multiplayer mode of mario party 5 a special group name appears if two players cooperate. Peach and Toad get the group name "ROYAL FAMILY"!!! and peach has a toad-like grandma in Mario RPG (snes). Does this also mean peach is a toad??? Justwriting
 * You should note that, if you team up Luigi and Yoshi in Mario Party 6, they are called "Green bros.", and they're certainly not brothers. Also, please remember to sign your comments with: -- 16:23, 12 February 2007 (EST)
 * and what about peach's grandma? And hasn't someone maybe heard them saying something like that in the super mario bros super show? maybe it's me who is wrong, but that they are called green bros is not really proof toad and peach are not family. don't know how to sign and don't have a user page --Justwriting 04:13, 13 February 2007 (EST)
 * I really don't feel like debating this, but I already showed you how to sign your comments. Leave: at the end of your comments. And whether you have a user page or not doesn't matter. -- 17:41, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Regardless, this is speculation, so it shouldn't be in the article. And I'm pretty sure theres no mention of Toad being related to Peach in either The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! or The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 or the games. But, you have a point with Peach's Grandmother, her existance probably means Peach is atleast part Toad. -- Sir Grodus

We do have an article about Grandma Toadstool. However, there is no proof that Toad is Peach's brother. -- Son of Suns

Plus the TV. Shows are not part of the Mario storyline. User:Pal101

Quote
Isn't that quote supposed to be THE Toad's quote? 19:42, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

No. -- Sir Grodus

Notable Toads section
Is that how it is supposed to work? To use the template instead of a list? - 16:21, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, bad idea on my part, I'm changing it back/expanding. -- Sir Grodus

Hats or Heads?
Most of the series remains silent on this issue, but there are occasional signs that point to one or the other...

Support for Heads:

- In Super Mario RPG, the Chancellor exclaims that he nearly dropped his spores when he heard the crash of Exor into Bowser's Keep. It may have been a joke, but nevertheless, it is what he said. Note that Ted Woolsey, a translator known for spicing up dry Japanese dialogue in Square's SNES RPGs, worked on this game. Therefore, it could have been an invented line.

- In Super Paper Mario, Toad's card claims that the mushroom people of his dimension are known for their strange spotted heads.

Support for Hats:

- In alternate media, they are sometimes viewed as caps. In particular, Toad used his mushroom cap as a parachute in an episode of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show, revealing a bald head.

- This is probably the biggest piece of evidence: http://trsrockin.com/images/om_legend_big.jpg The original player's guide was directly translated and localized from the Japanese version, and included the original Japanese story art (not unlike those you would see in NES games such as Zelda, Metroid, or Kid Icarus). The pictures show a game interpretation of the Mushroom King and Queen for the only time (perhaps they have died?), wearing caps. Also, Princess Peach, wearing a very different dress, is also shown with a royal cap! This shows that either they are detachable, or they are simply wardrobe. Also note that while Peach is technically human, her apparent Grandmother is a Toad and has a cap. Finally, some Toads have hair underneath their cap in the Paper Mario games.

I think the article should indicate that some depictions of Toads describe both. LinkTheLefty 21:53, 20 August 2008 (EDT)


 * A couple small details to add support for hats (only from rpg games, unfortunately):

In SMRPG, the Toads of Rose Town have stripes instead of spots. In Paper Mario, you can see multiple toads with hair poking out underneath the caps. And in Paper Mario TTYD the abandoned sailors have what appears to be a patch sewed onto their caps. Again in Paper Mario games, there are Toads who have special designs or colors on their caps, like Vanna T. who has hearts or the train conductors who have black caps. Just my two sense, I think that the toads are wearing hats. Goomb-omb

I think the "Mushroom Queen" is actually also the Princess, since a Queen is nowhere mentioned in the text. Anyway, I don't think this Japanese art is "more official" than the character depictions in the American cartoons and comics. The art style greatly differs from the artwork Shigeru Miyamoto made for the game's original box art, and it looks nothing like the later designs by Yoichi Kotabe, either (read this interview, part 4). It seems that another artist had his own interpretations of the characters based on the game sprites, I doubt it's "canon." --Grandy02 17:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

The "T." in their names
Isn't the "T." supposed to stand for "Toad"? Like Herb T would be Herb Toad and Zess T would be Zess Toad? I forget where I heard this--Mistertrouble189 23:47, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Blue Toad and Yellow Toad Separate pages?
Should the two toads get their own page, being heroes in the upcoming game, new super mario bros wii. Seeing as the other coloured yoshis have their own pages, I just thought to bring it up. But I guess it's not serious till the game is released. Pichufan93

If we have Blue Toad & Yellow Toad shouldn't we have other toad colors, example: Green Toad? Mario200 08:15, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I think there needs to be a Green Toad article. Green Toad made his most notable appearance in Wario's Woods, where he was the second player. I think that puts him unique enough on the level of Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. Kobble