Talk:Ludwig von Koopa

More on Kooky from the show
Could we get a list on his inventions somewhere? In the article or in a subpage? No big hurry, but it would be nice. Even if it's here.

I know a fair amount of his inventions,considering he's my favourite character.Most of the inventions were made in the cartoons though.Iggy is more of the inventor in the main series.Ludwigforsecond-in-command!

Image idea


Can anyone thin of a use for this image, its of Kooky Von Koopa's baby form from The Adventures of Super Mario bros. 3 episode "Toddler Terrors of Time Travel". -- Sir Grodus


 * Is this him as a baby in the past, or transformed into a baby, but still taking place in the present? -- Son of Suns

Transformed into a baby, the same thing happened with Toad in the same episode, as well as Bowser, Mario and Luigi. -- Sir Grodus


 * You could put it in that episode's article. Or if there's significant content about Kooky in that episode, put it in the other appearances section with a brief synopsis. -- Son of Suns

Smart
"He's also known for being an evil genius too, and the smartest of all the Koopalings. In the games though Iggy replaces him in that title." In what game is Iggy smarter than Ludwig? This statement is baseless and poorly written. Should I take this out, or is Iggy smarter in some game I haven't played? GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · eekdance::

Where does anyting say that he is smarter than bowser jr?

@4DJONG: Logic and common sense. Ludwig is a super-genius inventor. Bowser Jr. is portrayed as a kid who wants to follow in his dad's footsteps. That has to be inferred though. P.S. I'm not saying you have no common sense just in case you thought I was.

You can't judge something like that. Knowledge of machines is not the only signs of intelligence. Alexander the great never invented anything, but is still considered a greater genius than most inventors in history. Also, Bowser Junior is an artist (painter), and artists are considered to be above techincal brillance in mechanics. For example, Leonardo da Vinci is considered more a of genius for his paintings than for his inventions. Saying that one is smarter than the other is like saying that all mechanics and inventors are smarter than all artists and strategists. One's intelligence may appear more pronounced, but that has more to do with the exclusivness of skill rather than smarts. However, I won't say whose smarter here. This is turning very quickly into a battle between fans, and it should stop right here before there is an all out edit war between Bowser Jr. fans and Ludwig fans.

What does Bowser Jr. have to do with famous historic people? Anyway, the matter at hand is in what game is Iggy smarter than Ludwig. The answer... He's not smarter in any game. The Koopaling's smarts are never mentioned in any game. And about the Bowser Jr. and Ludwig, it's not the real world, it's Mario. Not to mention Bowser Jr. is very childlike... he's never shown any real signs of intelligence.

I'm not going to argue this much further simply because I know it will never end. Bower Jr. and Ludwig have nothing to do with historic people. I never said they had anything to do with them. I'm using a comparison of people we are all familiar with to make a point (its called ethos, look it up). And just because it's Mario does not mean that it does not abide by real interpretations of values such as intellegence, justice, love, and so on. Also, saying that a particular character is childish after a comment like that does not make any sense. ALL characters in Mario are childish. You can't say one is less intelligent just because they act with less maturity; there are plenty of really brilliant people in real life that are very immature. Finallly, as to the notion that there is no signs of real inteligence, Bowser Jr. single handedly orchastrated the Delfino Isle fiasco, which, compared to other schemes in the Mario universe that simply involve kidnapping the princess, was very devious, involving complex components such as fraud and blackmail. As to Iggy... you are right. There is no evidence that says Ludwig is smarter than him or vice versa. In reality, like you said, smarts can't be compared to eachother in these games, however that does not mean that their existance can be refuted. However, saying that one character isn't intellegent just because they are childish is foolish. This disscussion is about intellegnece alone; if you want to discuss childishness, create a new disscusion.

Do not be too Bowser Jr. fanboy, accept Bowser Jr. simply uses Stars to create his ridiculous robots, you can easily get some crap metal and transform it into a "WOW!" machine by using a Power STar, Shar Sprite, or Grand Star. Ludwig's inventions(from game and anime) do not use any of those cheats, so, go and cry somewhere. But I think BJ may be probably an artist due to his graffiti skills, but still he is not the "smart" of the group, he is a young child following his father's steps, and pretending to be the "favorited" one.--Phantoon 01:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)Phantoon

Now who's calling who a fanboy here, hmm? Come on, that kind of logic won't get you anywhere on these boards. For all you know, the stars are only a power source and don't "WOW!" anything, and I would consider using the best rescources available as "intelligent design with high quality available materials" rather than "cheating". There is not enough interaction between Ludwig and Junior to be able to make the assumption that one is smarter than the other. They are in one game together, and they never interact once. I've never even seen any game text or game booklet that has them both mentioned in the same sentence. As for smart, artistry is creativity, and creativive thinking is considered the most important aspect for higher intellect. Wether or not anyone agrees that Junior uses his brush in any artistic sense is a different manner, as he's really only seen painting simple shapes without making anything really 'art'. But seriously, this isn't a flame thread. Let's stop this.

Yeah, I'm sure that painting triangles, circles, M's and shapeless blobs of goop on walls is very creative. saying that art, such as Bowser Jr.'s graffiti is above technical brilliance is like saying that random graffiti vandals are smarter that Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, etc. And is that really true? Also, I don't really think Phantoon and I were really flaming you, we were just trying to make a point.


 * This little argument was waged almost an entire year ago: please do not reopen it, for it is not helpful at all. These talk pages are for improving the articles, not squabbling and speculating. - 10:41, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

?Answer asap
In the magikoopa article it says Ludwig is a Magikoopa is this true and where does the source come from.

Sorry but anyone knows that Ludwig isn't a Magikoopa thers pelty of differences bewtween him and them:

1. Luidwig dosen't have Magikoopa clothes. 2. Magikoopas dosen't have shells and they also have glasses. The Last and final reason if that where do you see Ludwig riding a broom stick.

Mike and Birth date
where did they come from?Where was his birthday stated and why was the same thing done on larrys article?Could someone please remove them if the info is not official?

Hair
Please read the "Physical Appearance" section of this article. Did you read it? Good. Now tell me...

WHERE? WHERE is it revealed he doesn't brush his hair? Huh? Seriously. Go ahead and tell me. 20:24, 1 November 2009 (EST)

READ THE BIO OVER THE PICTURES YOU FOOL. User:MarioMaster720
 * I advise you to watch your language. - 10:42, 28 December 2009 (EST)

I apologize, but i got a little too fired up. Sorry for that. User:MarioMaster720

Quotes
I have all of the Mario is Missing voices. Wasn't there one when he said "At last, the Koopa defense is at a very new dawn, no plumber can stop us! Soon, this north pole will be one giant koopa swimming pool!" or something along those lines? Also, I noticed on the Wendy page that seemed to show her tone as opposed to just copying what was in her speech bubble. If that happened, then why not show Ludwig's stereotypical "German" accent? If Wendy's quotes section showed her tone of the voices, then why not show Ludwig's accent from the voice clips? -signed KoopaGuy ( Talk ) a.k.a. ShyTroopa or JohnRoberts- 13:02, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 * Well, Mario's quotes often have an a prefix, like-a this to-a emphasize his Italian accent. I'm-a sure you can do that-a with Ludwig. 13:06, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 * True, but you have to keep in mind that voices weren't in all versions of the PC release. Since the speech bubbles weren't updated in the re-release to show the spoken accent, maybe it should just be noted that it sounds differently in the Deluxe version. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:17, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 * You mean like how I added that Ludwig had a "German" accent in the Personality and Traits section? -signed KoopaGuy ( Talk ) a.k.a. ShyTroopa or JohnRoberts- 13:21, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
 * Yes, but perhaps with the audio differences noted in parenthesis after the written quote. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:58, 1 September 2013 (EDT)

Voiceing
The last sentence on trivia says he is voiced by David J. Goldfarb. who i have never heard of. Whoever put this, can you please provide a reference? 10:33, 16 March 2014 (EDT)
 * Found confirmation of it on the IMDB.

Something that's been bugging me
"Mario Kart 8 describes him as a "showy anti-hero", referencing his arrogance and his cruelness, though his Japanese blurb, "showoff villain hero" shows that he is a show-off, and maybe he isn't all bad."

We know he is a show-off villain hero in the Japanese blurb. But the thing about being a showy anti hero has been there for longer. Now I must know if that was a mistranslation, or some other place that the person who added it got this from. 20:54, 10 May 2014 (EDT)


 * I didn't write that lovely bit of crufty over-extrapolation, but the "showoff villain-hero" in the MK8 section was my attempt to translate 目立ちたがりの悪役ヒーロー medachitagari no okuyaku hīrō, which, as I said in the edit summary is more literally the "showoff villain-role hero", so the hero as far as the villains are concerned, but nothing really captures that eloquently. "Anti-hero" might be an earlier translation attempt, but it's no good because it means a hero who doesn't have the usual heroic qualities (i.e. a "villainous hero", so that'd be wrong too). The English bio from the NoE Nintendo Direct just calls him the "conductor of chaos", so that's no help either way. - 20:01, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

German Name
Ludwig is a German name... Not a English one. This is fitting with the German "von" in his name.