MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as 'NO QUORUM'
 * 11) A user calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary, and archives the proposal.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Videos For Articles
I propose we add videos to articles such as Mario Party Mini Games so we can see what the mini games are actually like instead of having to imagine what it would be like.

Proposer:http://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/6e/Rainbowyoshi.gif Super   Yoshi10 | Lookey This Deadline: 19:00, Oct. 23

Add Them

 * 1) Reasons given above. http://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/6e/Rainbowyoshi.gif[[Image:MP8 DryBones.jpg|50px]] Super   Yoshi10 [[Image:YoshiMP8art.png|20px]]| Lookey This[[Image:Black Yoshi Move.gif|30px]]
 * 2)  That's such a good idea!
 * 3)  We already have (my idea) but we can only use on userpages! Steve thinks that they have so bad quality but we put the videos on the articles but with links I don't see the difference!
 * 4) Yes. Not just mini-games, but videos for all sorts of articles. In fact, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING TODAY (they're under a section I called "Have a Look!")! Check out my first one on the Super Mario Bros. article. And I'll keep on finding more if I wan't to. All you have to do to stop me is deny this proposal. You know, I was thinking of doing this proposal anyway, but instead, I'm making it happen. 20:35, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
 * 5) Glowsquid I think that these videos could be useful on article about obscure glitches or Beta Elements, I don't think we should link to Youtube on every pages thought.
 * 6) --&#91;&#91;User:Nasakid&#124;Zach121]] 21:53, 21 October 2007 (EDT) Add them
 * Yes, videos help User:Gowser
 * 1) Youtube links are used in the halopedia articles, why not here?

Don't Add Them

 * 1) The article already states what the Mini-game does. No need for videos. Besides, it would be VERY hard to upload movies.
 * 2) I have horribly slow internet, and webpages with movies would take way to long for my computer to load.
 * 3) We tried this long ago. Didn't work out so well. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 15:57, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
 * 4) Walkazo - Per Shyguy27. And even though my computer's not slow all the time, movies eat up SO much memory: I wouldn't be able to see images after three pages with videos, and three pages after that, the computer itself would stop working right. Other people are bound to have similar problems...
 * 5) Per Walkazo
 * 6) -Per DP. What's the point? This isn't a virtual reality video game.
 * 7) Per DP. It makes articles look less professional.
 * 8) - Links to (important) movies can be put on some pages, but we shouldn't flood the wiki with superflous, mostly low-res videos.
 * 9) I'm changing my vote based on DP and Uniju's comments regarding professionalism.  I could see linking working well in the cases I was talking about (trailers, etc.) Also, Youtube just sloooowed down a brand new computer in my house and reminded me just how finicky bandwidth was.  Sorry, guys. :(
 * 10) Per Uniju and Cobold.
 * 11) Per all
 * 1) Per all

Comments
Super Yoshi, PLEASE vote yourself! Also, FOR GOODNESS SAKES!! You didn't add any vote sections to this Proposal! Yeesh, anyone would have enough common sense to add the vote sections!

No, he gets MY vote!

Pokemon DP:Never heard of the Youtube tag?

Arend: I think Pokemon DP was talking about the fact that Super Yoshi didn't add any section to vote. Glowsquid
 * Glowsquid: It doesn't matter, movies don't seem very much needed on articles. I would say use that Youtube tag only on Userpages.
 * I agree, but I was only pointing out that it wouldn't be "it would be VERY hard to upload movies", like you said.

Glowsquid

Who was Oppose voter #2? PP

Shroobario I think u put ur vote on the wrong 1

All we have to do is put links on the article to the video. It's so simple everyone can do it. Everyone SHOULD do it if they want to help out.

20:35, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

You could do something like this on the 'Shroom, like a Video of the Issue?

I don't care if it says we can only use youtube on user pages! Just change that law. Oh and Shy guy 27 Just because you have slow internet doesn't mean we all have a slow computer! The wiki is not just centered on you you know! http://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/6e/Rainbowyoshi.gif Super   Yoshi10 | Lookey This
 * You can't simply change that rule. Porplemontage set that rule up for a reason! We can ONLY use the Youtube extension on Userpages, get used to it! And also, we must respect other Users computer issues. If they have a slow computer, that means Youtube extensions will slow down their computer and, yes, probably even freeze their computer. They will get REALLY mad at us for it. You are acting like a real brat.
 * DP, stop it with the flaming and the stuff. You activate Youtube by clicking first. Though I think videos should only be used on userpages and to show trailers of a game. 23:16, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Mr Benio: You can't do anything untill the proposal is done, not before it's archived

Sorry baby, but I put so many on (about 82 articles) already that there is no need to continue pondering this proposal. I gotta keep it up. Why not just give in and help me out?

Okay, snooty. Until this thing is accepted (which it will be), I'll be putting them on a Word Document sheet. Happy?
 * You shouldn't be too confident about it.

Glowsquid, You can't just say that since you've started spamming the article with video, the proposal is pointless, it's the community that should decide that, we can remove these link if the proposal don't pass.

I hope not, because I've been finding more, and my brother's been helping, too. It would be a shame and a complete waste of time if this did not pass. It must. If not...well, at least I'll look forward to doing some more for my "Gaming Acheivements" section on my homepage... As a matter of fact, I should stop for a while, for college has gotten harder, and I should be working on my clases a bit more. But, if it passes, I will continue every now and then (GO SUPER YOSHI! MAKE IT HAPPEN!).

This'll be the best thing to happen to these articles scince...writing them!!

Would the opposition change their minds if they might be able to put sites of videos on their homepage, hmmm?

I don't oppose the idea of putting Youtube video on page, but I tihnk we shouldn't put a Youtube link on every page. I think that the Youtube Video tag should be used for thing like obscure bugs and Beta Elements, I don't think we should link to Youtube in the Crystal King article when the battle is already described well in the article itself. Glowsquid

To quote DP (don't worry, I'm not going to be a brat and slam you or anything): "Porplemontage set that rule up for a reason! We can ONLY use the Youtube extension on Userpages, get used to it!" You went on to say that it was because of people with really slow computers would freeze up. Do you have another reason, too? The way you wrote it was a tad confusing is all. My Internet varies from time to time in regards to speed (never blazingly fast, mind you), but just using the Wiki seems to slow it down right now. Loading that sample YouTube video didn't do anything bad to it. 21:18, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I am basically saying that it might cause problems to computers with slow internet. It also makes an article look unprofessional, as Uniju said.

At least people will get a better idea on what they look like! Not all screenshots say it all (especially some on this site)! Don't you think it would be better if they saw these things after reading the descriptioins so that they won't have a bad guess on what those things would look like (because I've had a fair share of that problem!)?
 * A lot of the time pictures would suffice in showing us what the thing looks like... Anyway, I'm sticking by my (and others') complaint that YouTube videos will slow down and crash plenty of computers (mine included). However, I think putting links to YouTube videos on the pages is a good idea. That way people who can view that stuff will be able to get a better understanding of the subject matter, and those of us who can't won't get penalized. - Walkazo

Uuummm... I think videos such as the fights with Very Gnawty shouldn't be linked since they are short and minor, also Doopliss's name being revealed is also unneeded
 * But it's all valid information, no matter how minor it is. The links to the video do us no harm, whether you use the links or not is up to you: Since you (Mr. Guyy) feel the Very Gnawty and Doopliss videos are too minor to include, you can simply not view them. However, others might want to see them no matter how small they are, and if they're on the Internet we might-as-well put them on as links. - Walkazo

Pretty much, like above these things are already explained in the articles Mr. Guy

Walkazo's made his point. And unlike my proposals, this one won't be considered a waste of time. As far as I'm concerned, this proposal will be passed reguardless of the number of those against it. And I will later on put all those links that I saved up on thier proper articles. Face it you guys, Super Yoshi has won this. If we were still able to have user lists on our homepages, I would have added him on. Thank You.

No he hasn't, it's 8 to 12 votes, you just want Super Yoshi's side to win
 * Mrbenio: Walkazo is a she.

Unoffical Music Articles
We have articles on Music on this Wiki. Quite a few of them are official CD's released by Nintendo, or some Company associated with Nintendo. BUT! It also seems we have articles on music that were NOT put on official CD, aka, In-game songs and themes (an example being List of Songs in Super Smash Bros. Melee, which is listing the music tracks in the actual game, but NOT the music tracks on the Official CD). I propose we remove all In-game songs and themes, and keep only the music articles on official soundtracks that were released by a REAL Company.

Proposer: Pokemon DP Deadline: 22:00, Oct. 24

Remove all In-game songs and themes

 * 1) I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.

Keep Them

 * 1) If the songs were ripped from the game, they are official. 23:18, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) Per Plumber.
 * 3) Nintendo is an official company, obviously, so by your arguement we should be keeping them rather than removing them, as long as we note that the tracks in question did not appear on the official CD.  Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean we can't post about them.  I mean, we have an article about Hotel Mario, but that wasn't affiliated with Nintendo even.  Nintendo's offical music should be in then, right?

Comments
I don't think we should completely get rid of them. There should be a track listing in the game's own article. -- Son of Suns
 * Heres a good compromise. Remove the lists, move them to the appropriate articles and replace the names with those from the official sound tracks. No official name? Then it's not on the list. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 14:00, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
 * We agree with SoS, the song's aren't officially named, but they are official. - Walkazo and PP
 * I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying.
 * 1. List of Songs in Super Mario Kart, move all that crap to Super Mario Kart (including download link).
 * 2. If the name of those tracks can't be verified, add a citation needed tag next to it.
 * 3. Run through all the articles about published game OSTs. Track for SMK have a name on one of those albums? Use that one in the article instead of X Theme. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 01:36, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

DP: We just meant that the somgs are conjectural, but still valid. It's a shame we can't get official names (same with all other conjectural information), but the info itself is still canocal and worthy of a place on the wiki. - Walkazo
 * OK, can we, instead, remove those In-Game articles and merge them with the actual game article? If so, you can completely ignore this Proposal.
 * But if an actual soundtrack has been released onto a CD, that article is kept, correct? -- Son of Suns
 * Tough call, I know how you want every named Mario-related thing to have an article, SoS, but how much could we really write about these songs? How long they are, what CDs and/or video games they're in, whose theme songs they are (if applicable), the actual lyrics... but what else? Maybe all the officially-named songs should be put in articles for the CDs they're relased on (to make sure we don't end up with a bunch of stubs that get deleted). And as DP said, all the unnamed songs can just be part of the game articles. - Walkazo

Quotes?
Lately i've been searching around the wikis quotes, and have seen quotes like "whupee heeheeheehee!" when thats just a bunch of giberious and also something like AHHH!!! thats just someone yelling! should we get rid of these?

Proposer: Master Crash Deadline: 22:00, Nov. 4th

Remove

 * 1) my Reason is given above
 * 2) Glowsquid I agree, quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" are useless and make the wiki look less professional.
 * 3) they are very useless quotes that make us seem like we well add any thing to articles.
 * 4) A perfect example of a good quote, can be seen on Snake's article. Quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" have no meaning, as Glowsquid says.
 * 5) &euro;zlo
 * 6) Zakor1138 'Nuff said.
 * 7) -Quotes are supposed to tell us about the character.
 * 8) - Quotes from the gibberish sounds from Superstar Saga are as useless as quotes saying "I'm the best", as there are a dozen of other characters with exactly the same or a very similar quote.

Comments
At the very least, they shouldn't be the lead-in quote. -- Son of Suns

I'm conflicted on this one. True, things like "Ahhh!" are a bit redundant in principle. But if you know the context it could have meaning. For instance, in one of the Mario Party games, Peach goes, "Booooo!" Alone that sounds like a pointless, generic utterance, but if you actually hear it, it's hilarious! All in all, I just can't decide which way to vote. - Walkazo


 * See, most of the point in the quote on the page is to show the personality of the character. So, unless the screams have something to do with the personality of the character, remove them. Example: Instead of having "Princess Peach!" as Peach's quote have "Oh? Did I win?" so we can see a bit about her personality...and stuff like that... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif
 * Definately get rid of them from the "main quote" thing, but can you leave them in the article? Check out Daisy's quote page for what I'm talking about.  22:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

"What Other Users Think Of Me Lists"
These things are just dumb. We got rid of Cool User Lists, and these are only worse. As you can most likely see, they have caused nothing but bad, and flame wars. Some of these might be OK(Like Xzelion's), but others go over the limit(Like Pokemon DP's, even if they are all MY quotes. <_<). These are mostly just the depressed people trying to make themselves look more hated, anyway, *continues into a long rant about DP that would getting him ****ing banned if he actually said it*. Therefor, I propose that we ban these, as we did with the Cool User Lists(Which NEVER ACTUALLY CAUSED ANYTHING!).

Proposer: Uniju :D

Remove

 * 1) I am the proposer, and, blah, blah, blah...

Keep

 * 1) Hey, if someone flames someone, the Wiki has a right to know about it! These lists show which people have flamed who, allowing them to get what they deserve when they flame. And, you only made this proposal because you are mad at me for adding all of your flames towards me onto my list. You coult end up becoming banned for what you wrote on this Proposal!
 * 2) Zakor1138 Just cause its for good intentions. So what? If you act like a lurdo everyone should know 'bout it.
 * 3) Glowsquid - See my comment below.
 * 4) I was against getting rid of cool user lists, and now people are still getting into flame wars without them. But i'm still against restricting stuff you can put on your userpage.
 * 5) Per Peachycakes, just because some might misuse it doesn't mean for me that nobody should be allowed to use it.

Comments
DP: -_-' Why do YOU ALWAYS THINK THAT MY REASONS ARE SELF-CENTERED? WHY THE H*** CAN'T YOU JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT I'M NOT DOING THINGS FOR ONLY MYSELF!!!!!
 * Did I see some anger? It is the path to the dark side! Zakor1138
 * Whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, Uniju. You continue like that, you will get in BIG trouble.

I think we should just change it to "Feedback". There should be no negative things. This wiki is not about pointing out if someone says something rude. Why can't people just ignore it?
 * If you flame someone, you should get in trouble for it. You shouldn't be able to get away with anything bad that you do.

That's true, just don't overdo it. We all know about what happens if it happens a lot, even without quotes.

When I made this list, I had a purely humoristic goal in mind, I didn't try to make myself look hated and other non-sense. You are about the only one that take these lists seriously, and the only one to star flame war over them. As Zakor1138 said, if you act like an idiot, it's only natural for the other to know it. Glowsquid, and the cool user list DID cause my flame wars, check my archive if you don't believe it.

Changes
None at the moment.

Time Machines Page
The Time Machine page consists of three officially named (one being conjectural) Time Machines, all with significant content to have its own article. Also they effect gameplay (sorta).

Proposer: Deadline: October 29th, 17:00

Support Split

 * 1) Per Above
 * 2) Booster -- Three of them are officially named, and have different designs and functions.
 * 3) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 4) Dodoman - Per all (except Walkazo >_>).
 * 5) On one condition: see below.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) -They are from different games, and are for different things.
 * 8) Per all.

Comments
My vote stands as long as we can use the Time Machine page to discuss the concept of time machines... and we could do double duty by listing time machines on the article and making it a psudo-disambiguation page. Sound good? Of course, if you want to just make the article disambiguation until someone gets around to writing it, be my guest. 22:45, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I agree, there is also an unnamed time machine appearing in this comic which could excellently be placed on the Time Machine page.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.