MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history).

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
None currently.

Removals
None at the moment.

Captain Rainbow
As you know, we have an article on the game Captain Rainbow. I think we should merge it with Video Game Refrances. I think we should do this, because of the following:
 * 1) Birdo is playable charcter, but she's orginaly from Doki Doki Panic. Since the game is from Japan that means that is the game she intended on being from.
 * 2) The Pirranna Plant is just making a cameo apperance.
 * 3) Mario is not playable, he just makes a cameo as a picture a him appears in the game.

With those reasons above I think we should merge Captin Rainbow with Video Game Reffrances

Proposer: Deadline: November 13th, 2008,17:00 (5pm)

Merge

 * 1) - Per my resons above.

No Merge

 * 1) - A character from the Mario series playing a major role in a game is very different from a reference to a Mario character.  References are for cameos, official or otherwise.  If you want us to merge Captain Rainbow, we would also have to merge many other games as well, starting with the entire Super Smash Bros. series by the same logic.
 * 2) - Per Stumpers.
 * 3) - Per Stumpers; he stole the words right out of my mouth...or out of my keyboard as the case may be.
 * 4) - Per All
 * 5) - Per Stumpers.
 * 6) - Per Stumpers.
 * 7) - Birdo's role is big enough in this game for an article on it. But it's not enough for covering all the other characters. In this way it's similar to Captain N: The Game Master, that has Donkey Kong, but not enough relevant content for making articles on single episodes and other characters. It also goes for SSX on Tour, with Mario, Luigi and Peach as playable characters. I think we should also have an article on NBA Street V3 (but not about the unrelated characters and courts, again).
 * 8) This is what I have to say. No just no because there characters that have a major role in the game. Like Birdo!!! The Video Game reference page list of cameo that Mario or some other Nintendo charater has appeared. For goodness sake (I spelled it right this time instead of slake. Anyways back to were I was.) Birdo has a major role and she is a Nintendo character if she was then that different.
 * 9) - As usual, Stumpers takes the words out of many mouths, of which the people cannot explain it as clearly as he does. Per Stumpers of course.
 * 10) - Birdo just as large of a role in that game as Mario plays in the SSB series, and you don't see us merging that with Video Game References.
 * 11) Stumpers,you ROCK! Per Stumpers.
 * 12) What mario wasent first mamed mario he was jumpman does that make donkey kong a seperate sereis no.
 * 13) Per all. Especially about iggykoopa's vote, DK series doesn't need to be serperated. DK series is a part of Mario series, else Funky Kong wasn't in Mario Kart Wii and Tiny Kong wasn't in Mario Super Sluggers. About this proposal, There are Mario characters who didn't made cameos in Captain rainbow, but as main characters. What IS a cameo and MUST go to references is that Roman in Asterix XXL2, dressed as Mario self.
 * 14) Per all. Besides, if whe pass your proposel, whe would have to merge doki doki panic wiht birdo, the shy guys, tryclyde, and all those people. That would not work.

Comments
Though Birdo is originally from Doki Doki Panic, the official website of Captain Rainbow tells that she is from Super Mario USA (Super Mario Bros. 2). But I don't think that matters in any way, Birdo, the Shy Guys and more beings from the named game are an inherent part of the Mario universe today, even if they first appeared in an originally unrelated game.

About the comment regarding NBA Street V3 and SSX on Tour (I believe those are the two games, right?), I would support that as well, for the same reason I support Captain Rainbow. Let's put a proposal together for that?
 * Hm, if Captain Rainbow and the other articles I named are allowed, then I think there is even no proposal needed. 17:41, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Agreed. It seems like it would be pretty redundant.

Crystal Stars
Though this isn't the case of my last proposal, the Waffle Kingdom Locations merging proposal, it is a similar situation: I think the Crystal Star individual pages should be merged into the Crystal Stars page. The pages themselves are short and are an estimate of about 10 sentences long or so. If all of the Crystal Star pages were merged, the article would be fairly long, but it would be more regular sized, which is better than having lots of individual little pages.

Proposer: Deadline: November 16, 2008, 15:00

Merge

 * 1) - For the reasons above.
 * 2) - Hey, I think so too.
 * 3) - There's already articles about the special moves the Stars enable, so explaining them in the Stars' articles is a bit repetitive (for example, Art Attack and the corresponding section of Ruby Star are nearly identical). The attacks are officially named as well, and the information pertaining to them are best placed in their articles (currently, Earth Tremor puts Diamond Star to shame). Without that information, the Star articles are pretty barren, and the plot elements could easily be incorporated into the Crystal Stars article: each Star would get a section, and the article would look much better and be much more useful than it is now. Yes, the Crystal Stars are officially named, do different things and are important to the plot, but merging them will not make them any less important, and their combined article will be much stronger than any single one of them is now.
 * 4) - Per Walkazo.

No Merge

 * 1) - They were officially named, so the best thing is to just leave it IMO.
 * 2) - The stars are each officially named, require different tasks to be completed in order to be received, give the player access to another location, have their own special move, etc. They may just be the same sprite colored differently for each star, but they affect gameplay much differently than each other.
 * 3) Per all! St00by right. All 7 of the Crytals Star different just like the Pure Heats and the Star Sprits.
 * 4) Booster - Per Stooben Rooben.
 * 5) - I feel like a broken record, so I'm really sorry!  But, it needs to be said: we merged Smash Bros. content because we want our focus to be the Mario series proper and its spin-offs, but we also appreciate the fact that Mario and friends have played quite a large role in the series.  But, content from Paper Mario is completely different: we do want to focus on that, and therefore merging is the opposite of what we're trying to do.
 * 6) - per all. they are different items, with different powers, and different names...How are they the same?
 * 7) - Per All!
 * 8) - Per Stooben.

Comments
@Stumpers: ... Wrong proposal? --Blitzwing 06:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Um. . . Stumpers this is about PM:TTYOD Crytal Star not SSB.
 * Exactly my point. When we merged the special moves from Smash Bros., we did so because we wanted to reduce our focus on it, not because the articles were too short (remember the Final Smashes?  Longer than some Mario series moves).  These articles are definitely not to short and are part of what we want to focus on. Let me see if I can't clarify my vote.
 * Oh okay.

Stubs
I was looking around the Mario Wiki and found TONS of Stubs, Conjecture, and Construction. Don't we have Sysops? I propose take care of it. After all, Sysops are there for a reason.

Proposer: Deadline: November 13th Thursday 17:00 (5pm)

No More Stubs

 * 1) - Per my reasons above.

Bah, Who Cares

 * 1) We have tons of stubs, but doing whatever you want to do with them (I think you want to delete them) will mess 1/3 of thhe wiki up. If you don't want to delete them, this perposal will pretty much do nothing and all will be the same.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) No wai!!! If they are all delete this Wiki might go to from having 8,000 articles to 6,000 and that a lot lost. So what if there stub. In a matter of a few days or more it will eventually will become stub free. The wiki is still growing.For example there was a page that start small it was a stub that was almost delete but a user named Stumpers edit it the most adding more info to it and save it from deletion. And that page is the  Tetris DS page.
 * 4) This proposal has been brought up before, I believe. And it failed. Getting rid of stubs will mean little item articles, no minor NPC articles, and such. It would basically be deleting our own references. And what if someday those articles are non-stubs? Then what? And per all.
 * 5) - Proposals like this have been brought up several times in the past. Stubs are deleted only if it is 1) written horribly, 2) pertains to something too minor, or 3) is irrelevant to the wiki in some way.
 * 6) Per all. You cant just delete stubs! In time they will grow.

Comments
I dunno, do we have to delete those Stub articles?

I dont exactly get your proposal. I guess if you want to get rid of stubs, evereyone has to chip in. Pipe projects do a good job of eliminating stubs, so you might be intrested in those.

We need most of the stub.The only stubs we don't need is one sentence stubs.
 * I believe proposals like this should be outlawed. I don't know how many times I've seen these proposals made, and then fail. Stubs are deleted only under certain circumstances, and that is up to the Sysops.

Is the deadline correct it say November 13th Thursday 17:00 (5pm) and that today!

Using Cheat Sites as References
and I recently found out that the Mario Super Sluggers page uses a cheat site as a reference. This doesn't seem very professional. Cheat sites often contain unofficial information, have no proof to verify their "facts", and commonly have fake cheats. In my opinion, we should avoid linking to cheat sites because of this. After all, this wiki is not a game guide, it is an encyclopedia. We usually write articles on games and levels in a walkthrough manner, yet it does not refer directly towards the reader. We do not place cheat codes on our articles; we do not place game hacks on are articles. Why link to a cheat page when we don't allow cheats directly on an article in the first place? So, here's my proposition: we keep writing articles in the same fashion we have been – a neutral, third person walkthrough style. We always have allowed hints in our articles as long as they are written in a walkthrough manner. So, in turn, we should stop adding links to cheat sites to our articles as references.

Proposers: and Deadline: November 20, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) - Per my and Luigi001's reasons provided above.
 * 2) Kinda obvious why...
 * 3) I agree. We are and Mario Wiki a site for informantion about the Mario series and it only. We don't need codes since they have noting to do with Mario series. We are not gamespot, gamefaq or Open Code Wiki!!!
 * 4) - Per All.
 * 5) Wow, never noticed that. Off with the site! that has NOTHING to do with mario.
 * 6) - Per all. (2 people working together - "TEAM POWER"... or something)

Comments
Now for those who I know are going to say, "We already have a rule on this," think twice. Why would that bit of info be put on the page in the first place? And did anyone try to delete it? No, no they did not. I even tried to delete it, but a day later, there it was again! So before anyone says what I know is coming, please do think again!

Since when did we write walkthrough-style articles? I thought the focus of level/world pages was general information: enemies, special items, plot line, etc.; not "Mario jumped into the third pipe to the right of the door and found a Blue Coin."-type exposition... -
 * He's means little bits of info on how to get through a level. Just look at the World articles; they say the basic way to get through a level. But still, that's not the point here. The point is whether to keep these "cheat site" resourses or not.
 * Er... You're not talking about IGN, are you? They're not only a cheat site, you know... If you're not talking about them, please tell me. :O
 * IGN, Gamespot, 1-Up, and others can still be used as citations, as long as it's pertaining to things such as reviews or official interviews. That actual cheat part is the only thing that we want to get rid of. Also, Walkazo: Luigi001 said it just as I would have. The level/world articles explained the layout of a level, what enemies are found there, etc.; but they also explain how to get through a level. That's what I meant by "walkthrough-style".

Add a Pipe Plaza link
How many users dont even know about the Pipe Plaza, because ther're almost no links to it, so i say we should add a link to it in the left-side bar. So, who's with me?

Proposer: Deadline: November 13, 2008, 17:00

Support

 * 1) - Per me

Oppose

 * 1) - Until we can actually update the page, it will seem unprofessional to link it to the main page, but I agree it should be there soon... and if it were to be updated by the deadline I will take back this vote.
 * 2) Per Stumpers and St00by comment show below.
 * 3) - Per Stumpers and my comment below. If the time comes when the Sysops will regularly update the page, I'll be more than happy to volunteer. Until then, it should stay off of the Sidebar and Main Page.
 * 4) - Per all.

Comments
If we could get some Sysops to actually update the page regularly, I would see no problem with it. That page hasn't been updated in 18 months, which is rather disappointing. I'd gladly volunteer to keep the page updated. Also, maybe just a link on the Main Page would suffice?


 * I remember when Pipe Plaza was created. It was a good way to keep track of things going on in the Wiki. However, it became hard to constantly update. There actually used to be a link on the sidebar, but it has long since been removed. 14:52, 7 November 2008 (EST)

I've never even heard of the thing. I typed it into the Search bar and found an article about the battle course in Mario Kart... is that saying something?


 * It was a MarioWiki page intended to be a place to find more about happenings around the wiki(This article is too short, etc.)... but it hasn't been updated since 2007. :p

The Main Page talk and Maintenance pages have replaced the function of this, and no one seems to want to change the community portal to a MarioWiki page...

I think it's time for a proposal to "restart" the Pipe Plaza, just as what we did with the Trouble Center.

Add a Superstar Link
I saw that, well, the Yoshi's Island series' item Superstar does not have a link, and its "page" is one paragraph on the Super Star page, which is mostly about the one in Mario Party 2. So, who is with me for splitting it into Superstar (MP) and Superstar (YI)?

Proposer: Deadline: November 18, 2008, 17:00

Add

 * 1) - Per me
 * 2) - Per Pink Boozooka
 * 3) - I agree that the move needs to be made, however, looking more into the articles you wanted to merge, you are in error.  We don't want to split Super Star into Superstar (MP) and Superstar (YI), we want to split Superstar into Superstar (M&L) and Superstar (YI).  Someone just put the information from Yoshi's Island on the Super Star page in error - it should have gone on the Superstar page to begin with.  And yes, Walkazo is right, we need to fix up our "Superstar/Super Star" pages... maybe "Superstar" and "Super Star" should redirect to two disambiguation pages that would each point to "Superstar (M&L)", "Superstar (YI)", and "Super Star".
 * 4) - Per Stumpers, though I think having ONE disambiguation page would be the least confusing course of action. Since there are multiple "Superstar"s, that should be the disambig. page, with "Super Star" being a redirect to it, and the article about the term itself being "Super Star (PM)" (this would also avoid errors like the YI information currently  on "Super Star").
 * 5) - Walkazo hit it right on the nose; one disambiguation page is the best way to do it.
 * 6) Yeah..... No reason not to. Two seperate objects.

Comments
I'm sorry, but what do you mean by link? Do you want to divide the Superstar page into two different pages, say, "Superstar (MP)" and "Superstar (YI)," or is there another article that currently exists that you want us to link to?
 * Yeah, you might wanna make your proposal more specific.
 * I believe the article in question is Super Star, though all the "Superstar"/"Super Star" articles could use some sorting-out, actually. -

List of Quotes Pages
Completely Redesigned Proposal, version 2.0:

OK, stuff that - it was merely an experiment to test your reactions, so thank you for participating :P! So, from your reactions I have a better idea for this Proposal: I'm basically just proposing that we make all the List of Quotes pages 'much better than they are - that means finishing all the "Under Construction" ones (for example, the Super Mario Galaxy quotes page is barely started...), removing a few pointless/stupid quotes (mainly on the Mario Kart series quotes, as some are just "Woo-hoo!", "Hi", "Okay", etc - you call them quotes!? The quote pages could also be improved in many other ways - yes, that sounded vague because I can't explain exactly ow, but surely some smart users will know what to do.

Proposer: Deadline: November 19, 2008, 17:00

Support
I give waffles for people who support this Proposal. (*everyone changes sides*)


 * 1) - I've made my points above.
 * 2) - I agree.  For the most part, the quotes are not very detailed.

Oppose
This means you either don't like me, or have reasons which you must explain clearly why you disagree.


 * 1) - No because i dislike you, no its not true, idisagree because if wikipedia has wikiquote, why shouldnt we have the quotes?
 * 2) - As the proposal is currently written, I cannot support it: to remove Mario's quotes would remove information about The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, Nintendo Comics System, The Great Mission to Save Princess Peach, and many other sources.
 * 3) Quotes are hilarious! Why get rid of them??
 * 4) - I'm really sorry about this Dom, but I have to oppose. If people actually put effort into making the articles aesthetically pleasing, they won't be so bad.
 * 5) Per all. (Mostly Per Stumpers)
 * 6) - Per myself below.
 * 7) Quotes have to belong, or else like Stumpers said, we would have to remove info about some movies and comics and whatnot. Besides, they are under construction, it will be completed soon. It won't take so long, with everyone from Mariowiki contributing to one part time by time.
 * 8) - Per Stumpers. Quotes are also essential for understanding characters themselves, and if you can't get your hands on certain sources, the MarioWiki's quotes are a Godsend, especially for fanfiction writers.
 * The quotes should stay for the reasons that the users above have mentioned.
 * 1) Per all. Like said above, Wikipedia has WikiQuote, Quotes contains sources and some quotes are so funny, you have to ROFL - litterally (Sorry if I spelted wrong). By these 3 of all those reasons, WHY REMOVING QUOTES FROM THIS WHOLE DAMN WIKI??? And you say that Quote pages are under construction, but never finish, because nobody works on it? NOT TRUE! There are MANY, MANY quotes, and how more quotes found, how more construction! So again, per ALL.
 * Per Walkazo. As long as they don't actively dtract from the value of the Wiki in any way, I see no reason to remove them. They're funny and interesting; I see no good reason to get rid of them.
 * 1) - Per all; to get rid of polls would do no one any good at all.

DOM's NOTE: '''The opposes above are referring to my previous, failure version of this Proposal, so any Opposes to this new version go below this comment. So, please don't count the numbers of Opposes above for this version.'''

Comments
I'm not sure if I got the Deadline date correct (I'm in a way-ahead time-zone in Australia)
 * The deadline is fine, but can I just clarify something? Are we talking about quote pages for characters as well?  If that's the case, I must disagree, even for Mario.  The little guy was quite the talker in the anime, American television shows, and comics all over the world.
 * Perhaps a show/hide option for long pages should be added?

Just FYI, these quote pages were the result of two proposals, the reason for these is that some quote sections are ginormous and made long pages like Mario even more tedious to load.

Um CoinCollecter can you please (and thank you) state why you're agreeing with Dom or put per Dom. ( there nothing there next to your user name. ) Um nevermind his vote has been removed.

Yeah, I'm pretty offended by this proposal. I am the only person ever to work on those pages, because everyone else was either too lazy or not interested enough to do it. I started that proposal to make the dang things. And oh, yeah, I forgot how much frickin' talking there was in Super Mario Galaxy! Oh my dear heck, Mario was so dang talkative in that game! And Bowser, whew, those four lines he said each time you battled him were so terribly full of quotable information! And what's your definition of "overly long?" Let's go and split Bowser and Mario while we're at it! And how the heck are we supposed to make it more professional? Put in images of people talking? OOOOOOOH!!! SO EXCITING! Also, shut up about the Mario Kart Quotes. If I made those pages, it was simply because I didn't want to be screamed at by, say, ForeverDaisy09, who had those proposals about Nonsensical Quotes at the time. I never saw you working on them, by the way. Maybe they would be more complete and useful if people contributed to them. Woah, I know, big, crazy idea there. Sorry. So yeah, I say no.

It shows.
 * lolwat.
 * For a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myseeeeeeelf... Yarly.

Calm down and stop saying random crap, IS - calm down. Now, that was highly exaggerated and aggressive. This goes to all Users: Please read my all-new version of this Proposal. It's completely deifferent.

Why you made a proposal to make the quote page better than before. Can users do that with out this proposal?