MarioWiki:Proposals

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. (All times GMT).
 * 3) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * 4) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 5) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 6) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 7) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 8) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 9) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 12) Proposals cannot be made about Sysop promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 13) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 14) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in GMT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 23:59 GMT, the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is 23:59 PM of the Wednesday of the next week, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format
This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: Voting start: [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "January 1, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.] Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
 * 1) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
 * 4) Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 5) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Split Ridley into Ridley and Meta Ridley (Discuss) Deadline: March 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT Extended: March 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT, March 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT , March 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Whispy Woods to Green Greens and Dream Land (Discuss) Deadline: March 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Split the SSBB section of Mario Circuit into its own article as (Discuss) Deadline: March 29, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Squarp Hole to Squirps (Discuss) Deadline: March 31, 2011, 23:59 GMT

New Features
None at the moment.

Remove Spoiler Templates
These templates ( and ) are pointless and ugly, and they should have been scrapped years ago. A database about the Mario series is obviously going to have Mario spoilers: people shouldn't need us to tell them that, and common sense can easily replace the way we're using the templates now. If you don't want ending details, stop reading once you get past the parts you already know in the story section of the game/movie/etc. page, and don't read the pages of characters (or whatever) from the game/etc. that you haven't encountered yet on your own. As for the Histories of recurring characters, almost every section is a spoiler (or has the potential to be one), but we can't possibly put templates everywhere - that'll look silly, which is probably why it hasn't been done (i.e. Bowser's page has a grand total of two sentences roped off). On these template-less articles, common sense is the only thing keeping readers from spoiling all the other games/etc. whenever they go there, and it seems to work just fine: the same principle can easily be applied to the entire database. The only times readers can be ambushed by spoilers is in sections dealing with multiple sources at one time (namely Trivia sections, but also things like "Powers and Abilities", "Personality" and even introductions), and for the most part, spoilers aren't even put on these parts! Fat lot of good that does the readers, but trying to change that would look just as bad as putting dozens of spoilers throughout History sections: the templates break up the flow of our articles badly enough as is. Putting spoilers right at the tops of pages looks bad too.

Simply put, everything is a spoiler to some extent, so we'd be wiser to wash out hands of the entire template nonsense and simply make a blanket statement on About warning people that they're reading at their own risk. There's no need to put it on the Main Page: everyone should realize that the Super Mario Wiki, "with 11,389 articles on the complete Mario series", will have Mario spoilers - our coverage wouldn't be complete if that wasn't the case. It's our job to present our readers with all the info we can: how they actually go about reading it (or not) is their responsibility, not ours.

Proposer: Voting start: March 19, 2011 2:00 GMT Deadline: March 26, 2011 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Per my proposal. I've wanted those templates removed since 2009.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) - I agree that most things are spoilers. I've seen many spoilers that don't have the spoiler template.
 * 4) - Per proposal, except I think that a spoiler statement should be put on the main page.
 * 5) I am Zero! At first I thought it will be a bad idea since some people may overread, but your argument is a good, complete reason, per proposal. Zero signing out.
 * 6) – I agree with Walkazo. Having spoiler templates on pages is just unnecessary. As was mentioned, we are a wiki that boasts about complete coverage of the Mario-series; it should be known that our articles will contain spoilers.
 * 7) Spoilers are all over this Wiki; we shouldn't fill articles with a worthless template that warns people about spoilers when they already should be aware that there are spoilers on a site about the entire Mario series. Putting the warning on a single page such as About would work just fine, since new users are expected to read that page when they join. Per proposal.
 * 8) - Per all. Perhaps we can mention it in the sitenotice.
 * 9) Per MCD. Something like that works quite well on other wikis (eg. Zelda Wiki).
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) - Per all.
 * 12) - Per all. I mean I don't like the templete, and if your reading the storyline of a game, you know it'll give out spoilers.
 * 13) - We are an encyclopedia. Our job is to cover all information available, and people should be smart enough to realize that "all information available" really does include all information available. We don't need to disrupt the formatting of our articles with templates that state the obvious. It looks unprofessional. Giving out a general warning on a high-traffic page is totally sufficient.
 * 14) Per proposer.
 * 15) Per Edo.

Oppose

 * 1) No offense Walkazo, but when I read this proposal I thought it was a joke at first because I thought that it was so obvious that spoiler warnings are necessary. First off, yes, we will have spoilers, but when going through articles, people don't want to see what is going to happen at the end of a game. Putting something in the About page is a good idea, but removing the spoiler templates is unnecessary. To be honest, what guest here reads About before getting information from one article on what they need to know? The spoilers keep people, and remember there are younger kids here as well, from finding out what happens in the end/climax of whatever will be spoiled. Removing those templates would also mean that we have to go to every article around with them and remove them, which is very tedious. This isn't necessary enough to pass and require people to do that much work, and I believe it is a common courtesy to anyone who reads the articles here to have a small warning before reading anything that may spoil the end/climax of a game for them that they do not want to find out. Also, the fact that everything does contain spoilers doesn't warrant that we remove the templates because some are much bigger than others, and I know we are all smart enough to deem what is currently worthy of said templates and what is not. If it bothers you that much that we have two gray boxes about a centimeter big in some places on certain articles so that people don't complain that we ruined it for them, I don't know what to tell you.
 * 2) - I actually agree with Bowser's luma (or at least, some of what he said). I don't think that putting the spoiler warning in an obscure place like About is a very good idea. Putting a notice on the main page or in the sitenotice would be fine; people actually read those. But I forgot MarioWiki:About even existed before today. The place for important information that all viewers should know could be on the article itself, it could be on the main page of the entire website, it could be in a header above every single page, there are many places it can be, but a place it can't be is on an out-of-way page that is often forgotten, ESPECIALLY a page that doesn't even have a link from the Main Page. While the  template is ugly and annoying, it gets across an important point and if this proposal is going to hide that important point away on a no-traffic page, I can't support it.

Comments
So basically, you are proposing to remove "spoiler" tags because we're a complete Mario encyclopedia and people should know that since we are complete, they already know that they are warned? I'm with you. I think the title text on the main page: '''Welcome to the Super Mario Wiki! with (insert number here) articles on the complete Mario series''' should be enough to warrant a spoiler warning to anyone.
 * Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. -

Would something similar to what Zelda Wiki does, such as at the top, a notice saying "this wiki contains spoilers, read at your own risk" be a good idea? I get what your saying, just trying to clear up any ambiguity.

Although I support the rant that I previously ranted up there, I apologize for the length and unclearness of it.


 * @Bop1996 (although it applies to other people's comments/votes too): We'll have a message like that on About, but I don't think it's necessary to put it on the Main Page or on the SiteNotice (although I've already talked to the other Sysops and we are going to put a temporary notice about spoilers and the removal of the templates if this proposal passes, but that'll only be until SiteNotice is needed for something else). Zelda Wiki's warning is rather tongue-in-cheek; obviously their database will have spoilers of they want to cover the full series and they probably know that it's a bit ridiculous that they need to spell it out for people. Same thing applies here, but I think no warning would be better than a sarcastic one. Of course, if everyone wants a warning on the Main Page or something, another proposal can always be made; where the wiki-wide warning goes is a secondary aspect of this proposal - my main concern is the templates. To that end, if anyone wants to vote against the proposal just because of the "Main Page or MW:About" question, they should really reconsider. There will be time to move the alert before the SiteNotice changes, so the "out-of-way" locale won't ever be the readers' only resource (I'd personally be fine if another proposal just about the warning is made before the 4-week grace period is over, since it won't really be overturning this one, just modifying it a little). (On a side note, MarioGuy1: technically, MW:About is linked to on every page, including the Main Page, and I personally have checked About pages when visiting new wikis from time to time, although I realize I'm probably an aberration.)
 * @Bowser's luma: First of all, your argument about forcing people to do a lot of work isn't applicable, because I'm willing to remove every single template myself. That kind of gnomework is my speciality: I don't want any help. Secondly, it's not really our place to decide what's a "big" spoiler or not: that's making value judgements, but an encyclopedia should just present the facts; it's also subjective and can be different for different people. Obviously it wouldn't be the end of the world for people to know that SMB has a happy ending, but what about other side-scrollers? YIDS has a few twists and turns, yet it's not marked on Baby Bowser's article, nor is M&L:PiT, which is an RPG: you'd think these at least should be marked. And how about other media? In my opinion, the kicker of Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! is much bigger spoiler than Bowser's battle tactics and his ending size in the finale of SMG2, and yet the latter is the one with the template. Why? Who decided that? What's the criteria they used? Fact is, there is no criteria, and that is not how we run this wiki. That's my main beef with these templates: if they were only eyesores (which they're not: they just wreck the flow and look out-of-place in an encyclopedia), I could live with them, but they're inconsistent, unofficial and ineffective. It's a broken system, and people would be better off regulating themselves than relying on it anyway. Like I said in the proposal, it's not that hard to avoid spoilers on your own. For example, I've avoided spoiling M&L:BIS's ending details for the last two years simply by not reading certain pages and sections - not once has a spoiler template helped me do that (Bowser's page doesn't even have one, yet I've been able to browse it dozens of times: I just skip that section). I'm sure even little kids can figure out when to stop reading too: kids are smart (or at least the ones I know are). Anyone who blames us for their own lack of self control and common sense isn't worth fussing over.

I think it would be fine to take the spoiler templates away, but why not just put a "This wiki contains spoilers" note on the main page? I know it's kind of obvious, but it really can't hurt, and it seems like the more considerate thing to do.
 * But where would it go? The only place I can see it being appropriate would be in the "Welcome to the Super Mario Wiki!" part, but how? Expanding the second line? "with 11,392 articles on the complete Mario series including spoilers"? That sounds really lame; people will read that and think "well, duh". Looking at pikipedia:, skipping a line and then adding the warning would also look bad, and it'd mess up the spacing with the link box. So yes, it could hurt, and while it's considerate, I don't think it's worth it: people should know better than to not expect spoilers here. Not all wikis feel the need for spoilers or warnings on the main page: I couldn't find anything on smashwiki: or dkwiki:. Wikipedia's got a policy page and a notice template explaining why they don't fuss about spoiler alerts and consider the section headers of the articles themselves and their content disclaimer to be fair enough warning. -
 * To be completely honest, I think what Pikipedia did there doesn't look that bad. I wouldn't have a problem with a line like that in that position. -
 * I think that most of the debate now is about what to replace the templates with. I agree that it could just as easily be done with another proposal, but I'm not sure what is the best way to replace them. I agree that it seems a little obvious that we'd have spoilers, but it would clear up a lot of potential confusion if we had a warning where everyone would see it. The argument about Mariowiki:About makes a good point. I count myself among the people who read about the wiki before using it, and on ZeldaWiki they just link to their about page on in big bold letters, and that seems to work well. Would having an "about us" link on the main page under the "Welcome to the Super Mario Wiki" heading be a bad idea?

Allow autoconfirmed users edit other users' userpages
Recently I have seen red links, redirect links, etc. on other peoples userpages along with deleted images and I was wondering if us autoconfirmed users can edit their userpages for errors, etc. It really doesn't make sense that only sysops get to edit this so I set up this proposal. Also, on Wikia we get to edit others' userpages along with most other wikis.

Proposer: Voting start: March 19, 2011 14:30 GMT Deadline: March 26, 2011 3:30 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Because I made this proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) Sysops only edit userpages if they need to. This would let almost anybody put anything on your user page. It's just pointless anyway.
 * 2) - I agree with Yoshiwaker.
 * 3) - Per all. You shouldn't be allowed to mess with other people's userpages.
 * 4) I am Zero! Per all. Zero signing out.
 * 5) Per all
 * 6) Yes, let us support vandalism.
 * 7) - Ask a sysop to fix it. I believe the "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" extension was added to the wiki by Porple because vandals were messing with user pages. It makes complete sense that only sysops and the user that owns the user space gets to edit it. And nobody cares if you can edit others' user pages on Wikia, as we aren't Wikia.
 * 8) No way, I'm sorry, but there's really no reason...
 * 9) Imagine a vandal coming onto your userpage and replacing all of your personal information with fake, unnecessary and inappropriate information that could be offensive to you. This is why only sysops can edit other peoples' userpages. If there's a problem with a userpage, you are expected to ask a sysop to remove it. It only takes a minute to ask.
 * 10) - Per all. Only Sysops can be trusted with these powers. In my opinion, you've made just another proposal to suit your personal wants.
 * 11) Per all. I like how you have control of your userspace and I don't want a vandal messing up my page, even if I can revert it later.
 * 12) I don't want some random person editing my userpage.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) - Per all.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) Ummmm editing another person's page? Most users are autoconfirmed, and you never know when someone could VANDILIZE!
 * 17) - None of your points is significant enough to outweight the benefits this extention provides.
 * 18) I've just imagined how my userpage was edited…that's……:(
 * 19) I think once a vandal moved a sysops userpage.

Comments
@Yoshiwaker: We can revert vandalism if they do put junk on our userpages and we do need to help the community too.
 * @Kaptain: Is there ever any really good reason to edit someone else's userpage?
 * Err yes... to replace images and fix red links.
 * I don't think that's a very good reason, but I'll just stop arguing because this would go on forever.
 * @Kaptain K. Rool - Well, that may be true, but what happens when some vandal whams your userpage? I mean, do you really want to be constantly looking over your shoulder and reverting edits every other day...? 15:52, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

I think we would need to talk to Steve about this even if the proposal did pass...
 * Also, on Wikia we get to edit others' userpages along with most other wikis
 * How many of these edits are actually good edits? About 1 in 10, I say. Judging from my userpage at Kirby Wikia, those who have edited it besides me have only inserted derogatory remarks or just complete rubbish on it.

Imagine a vandal coming onto your userpage and replacing all of your personal information with fake, unnecessary and inappropriate information that could be offensive to you.

This. What if people go to my user page and say "I hate (insert any Nintendo character here)!"? It offends me a lot when Kirby or Diddy Kong gets insulted.

Captain info and Stats in Mario Strikers Charged
I'm noticing that people want the info of a captain to look like this on the captain's page (below assumes it is Diddy Kong):


 * Unlocked By: Clearing the Crystal Cup
 * Character Type: Playmaker
 * Decription: Diddy Kong is agile and fast and can protect the ball while making incredible passes at will! But watch out, he can remove a player from the game when he get the chance!
 * Mega Strike: Diddy jumps high into the air, and as the background turns orange he holds his hands together, crosses his legs and closes his eyes, as if he is chanting. He then touches it with the tip of his tail, and the ball goes flying.
 * Super Ability: Red Card!
 * Deke: Diddy backflips over opponents.
 * Uniform: Yellow and red
 * Alt. Uniform: Purple
 * Team Emblem: Star logo.
 * Team Number: 5
 * Away Entrance: Diddy holds a banana in a threatening way while making angry sounds and hitting it against his hand.
 * Home Entrance: Diddy dives down with an angry look on his face and pounds the ground quickly.
 * Theme: Hindustani Classical

I think we need to shorten it to this on the page of each captain (so keep the above in this page) and on say Diddy Kong's page, change it to this.


 * Character Type: Playmaker
 * Super Ability: Red Card!
 * Deke: Diddy backflips over opponents.

Stats

 * Moving 10
 * Shooting 3
 * Passing 10
 * Defense 3

Proposer: Voting start: March 13, 2011 8:00 GMT Deadline: March 20, 2011 8:00 GMT

Support

 * 1) We don't need extra stuff like team colors and stuff. Just use the gameplay abilities of the characters (so for Donkey Kong, don't say his alternate color is purple, since that doesn't affect the gameplay. Just put his stats, Super Ability, Deke and his Character Type, which is Power)
 * 2) This could be a good idea for shortening pages, as some pages like Mario and Bowser are exceedingly long and difficult to read in one sitting. We could expand this idea to shortening data for more games, as the info is still on the page of the game.  But shortening the description for only one game causes the other game descriptions to appear too long.

Oppose

 * 1) It's very important. The stuff like description, how unlocked, the mega strike, emblem, etc. should stay.
 * 2) Per SWFlash.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) I am Zero! Per my comment. Zero signing out.
 * 5) I don't see a substantial reason to remove the information. This information is not required, but it is simply interesting to read. I think of the extra information makes our information go "above and beyond", going beyond the required amount. I think removing the information would leave the article a former shell of itself.
 * 6) - Per all. Character pages should be like one-stop shopping when it comes to stats, bios and nitty-gritty details: readers shouldn't have to go to the individual game pages just so we can cut down on a few lines of text here and there. Plus, how a character is unlocked, their Mega Strike and their official description are pretty significant pieces of info and shouldn't be on the chopping block anyway.
 * 7) Per all. People might go on the Wiki thinking "Hmm, how is this unlocked?" or somthing and get sorta angry when its MISSING INFO! Have a nice day.
 * 8) Per Zero's comment.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per Zero and Walkazo. If I were looking to find out more about a character in a game like this, this is exactly what I would want to see and where I would look. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 * 11) Per all please!
 * 12) Per those who per all. :)
 * 13) - The extra information is pretty vital, even if it seems redundant to have.
 * 14) - Per all.
 * 15) - Per all.
 * 16) Per all.
 * 17) Per all, especially Luigi is OSAM
 * 18) - Per all, but I'd like the stats of each character added, as it wasn't included on Mario Strikers Charged Football.
 * 19) - Per all. Especially since a wiki is suposed to be a place where you can find all sorts of information! If we were to make every article shorter just for easier reading, we wouldn't have as much info (obviously).
 * 20) - Per all.
 * 21) - I know absolutely nothing about the Mario Strikers series, but as a wiki, we should inculde as much info as we can. Per all.
 * 22) - Per all.

Comments
Is there any problem with having the content on the page?

The info like team colors and stuff are only atheistic, so they don't affect the gameplay. Info like Super Abilities are important as they state what the character is capable of. Atheistic info makes the page longer, and are useless.
 * Hm? I'm thinking of the "unlocked by" part, if I were searching for how to unlock Diddy Kong, I would go to the Diddy Kong article.

Does it matter is it's atheistic or not? It's still something that's relevant, thus we mention it. If we didn't put that info there, it would go somewhere else anyways, so might as well leave it there.
 * I think the term you guys want is aesthetic. The term 'atheistic' means something entirely different.

I am Zero! Here's my thought, in previous Mario sports games, Nintendo made the sport too goofy and too simplified for it to have real life, sufficient info, but in this game I think Nintendo made it a bit more serious. What I'm basically saying is, for example, football, they give useless info to viewers that has nothing to do with the game like colors home/away, current manager, etc. And what's the problem of having that info there, I find it very useful. Zero signing out.
 * Sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Shouldn't this be a TPP?

I'm confused. Why do you think it's to much info? I mean, if you need to find out how to unlock it, you'd be pretty dissapointed. Also, I like reading the bios!


 * @FF65: No, it concerns too many articles for a TPP (all the MSC captains). -
 * @Walkazo: Well, you could of course put this proposal on the Mario Strikers Charged Football page, since it concerns only about the captains of that one game. If it was about many different characters of many different games, then it could be put here.

I forgot to put this in, and the Wiki had problems that forced to log me out two days ago, but I wanted the way to unlock the captains in MSC to stay. So on Bowser Jr.'s page, it shoild still say that you need to beat the Fire Cup.


 * @Arend: It could go on the game's page, but it's perfectly fine here too: it affects enough pages, even if it is about what they do regarding one game's stats. -