MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Make templates expire after 3 months. (Discuss) Deadline: November 14, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Delete Princess Peach's voice. (Discuss) Deadline: November 15, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Shroom Fry with Fried Shroom Plate. (Discuss) Deadline: November 16, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Gold Credit, Gold Card, and Golden Card. (Discuss) Deadline: November 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

Create a suggestion template
I propose the creation of a suggestion template, which would serve to prevent the creation of unnecessary proposal (like make a edit change, add something to the wiki), which is not essentially required to go through the proposal systems. With the addition of this template, users who want to add a suggestion of adding something to the wiki without necessarily go through a proposal could use it and make a general request to the users and it could prevent formatting a proposal via the proposal system that frankly serve no purpose. What do you think about it?

Proposer: Deadline: November 19, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) PP. (PP. is shorthand for per proposal for future reference)
 * 3) This would be good for new users who are unused to our proposal system to share their ideas for stuff that can be added to articles, and we do need to be accessible to new users. I'm not totally convinced that established users would make much use of it, since they'd know to make a proposal when in doubt (or simply add the content otherwise), but creating a template can't exactly do much harm.

Oppose

 * 1) - Completely unnecessary (and poorly formatted). If you have an idea, either make the change yourself if it's minor or following existing regulations (e.g. fixing mistakes and adding info), or just make a regular ol' section on the talk page for it if you think it's major enough that some discussion/help would be good, but isn't a drastic and/or potentially divisive change that would warrant a full-blown TPP (e.g. splits, merges or complete overhauls). If you really want to flag something for feedback, just use : "can we do this?" is still a question of sorts, after all.
 * 2) My gut reaction was to oppose this. We have an adequate amount of venues (including wiki talk pages, user talk pages, and our forums) for making suggestions, asking question, and otherwise participating in constructive wiki-related discussion, and this template heavily, if not 100% overlaps with a more versatile template: . The "new users who are unused to the proposal system" is a silly argument since we have clear instructions and even a nowiki template to fall back on, not to mention, existing proposals that are a valid framework as well (when I was a new user, I used the framework of other existing votes to help me vote on my own). If new users want to ask or suggest something, even a simple unsigned message on a talk page is enough, although it might be fair game whenever you get a response or not, but I believe particularly good questions usually get a response. The best venue for making your suggestions heard are the forums since your comments on a talk page in the Recent Changes may be swallowed by other edits. Making unnecessary proposals is only a minor mistake (which a lot of us has done in the past) and creating a template just for that seems frivolous, especially when we have other existing templates that achieve pretty much the same thing. People may not be aware of the forums initially, but we make frequent references to it, and if users stay here long enough, they'll be curious enough to check it out. Finally, if users really do have trouble formatting a proposal or anything, they are always welcome to ask on our FAQ and talk pages of experienced users, which is common sense and a responsible thing to do in general for a confused new user.
 * 3) Per all. If I have nothing else different to say, well, I won't say it.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all, Walkazo in particular took the words right out of my mouth.

Comments
This template could serve to prevent to make a proposal for every propose of recipes merge in the Paper Mario (series), since some users just think its a little boring to do this all the time.
 * This template could look like this, but before opposing just because of the look of the template, please make a suggestion for improving it.


 * the only thing i have to say is that i would omit the word and. Other than that, i think it's a good idea. 13:36, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * The word and can be seen on other template. So Its why I let this word on this template.-- 13:38, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Trying to help and trying to resolve are, for the most part, redundant. That's why I said that. 13:42, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * May I ask why this is on the main page talk? IMHO, it would belong on Proposals, since it is a general proposal that has no relation to the Main Page. Chocolate Mario (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Its because I didn't really know where to put this proposal, so I thought the Main Page was the best place to put this, but since you involved this, I forget this place. My mistake.-- 13:48, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * I don't really understand how you can just 'forget' about the proposals page when making a proposal. You're probably lucky that the proposal is still here. Chocolate Mario (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Mistakes can happen to everyone, I 'm not very experienced with the use of this.-- 14:09, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * It's not a little mistake, it's complete ignorance of the very basic principles of the proposal system. The very definition of a TPP, from this very page, is: "[A proposal] dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles [that is] held on the talk page of one of the articles in question." A proposal about making a template to use on article talk pages everywhere does not fit the TPP criteria at all and has nothing to do with the main page. If you're unsure where a TPP should go, that's a pretty big hint that it's not really a TPP at all, and should just go here as a regular proposal. - 14:15, 12 November 2015 (EST)
 * Thanks for the reminder, I should know this before, but apparently not, now I would know more about this. Its a mistake.-- 14:24, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Removals
None at the moment.

Names in Other Languages organization for Mario episodes
I've been getting a little tired of seeing the Latin American and Spanish names of Mario episodes in one row, like this:

The same goes for Portuguese names. This also counts for rows like this:

In case of that one, I would edit it in a way that makes it result in this:

So one of the decisions I made about it is to separate the Spanish/Portuguese language rows from one another, in a way that looks like this:

I already did this to most, if not all, of the Mario episode articles. But you can help contribute to this.

Proposer: Deadline: November 11, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) I support this, considering that I am the one who proposed this.

Oppose

 * 1) "NOA" and "NOE" are the wrong abbreviations to use, implying that Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe played a hand in the localization, and that's not true. The explanations in the section do their jobs well enough. If something like the Latin and Spain language differences are a problem, then we should change the templates themselves. The NOA and NOE parameters were created with the games in mind, and I simply don't think it's a good idea that we stretch it to include cartoon dubs.
 * 2) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 3) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 4) Per BM.
 * 5) Using "NOA" and "NOE" would be misleading, so per Bazooka Mario.
 * 6) Per Bazooka Mario.

Comments
But NOA stands for Nintendo of America and NOE stands for Nintendo of Europe,both which are localization and promotion branches for Nintendo. Are you sure they played a part in localizing languages outside of English (since the show is American)? 13:10, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * Not at all, but I think it feels good because it also tells the language types apart. 18:32, 4 November 2015 (EST)
 * But that would be misleading, since it leads readers into thinking that the abbreviations are Nintendo of America/Europe localizations when in fact they're not. Also, an original dub is different from a redub and has nothing to do with the different localization branches of each Nintendo of country companies. 19:38, 4 November 2015 (EST)

So it's past the deadline then?
 * If it's well past the deadline and you're the first to notice, you should archive it. 14:46, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Replace Remix with Remake on Level Articles
Ive been using this for all the Green Stars and stamps on my Mario 3D World, and I've noticed a lot of the World Mushroom/Flower levels have notes that say "a remix of Level X-Y: Z." For example, this article has a note that says "A remix of World 5-1: Sunshine Seaside." The thing is, dictionary.com says the definition of remix as a noun is "A remixed recording." Are levels recordings? No. Therefore, we are using it the wrong way. Because of this, I believe we should change all uses of remix (which will mostly be in 3D Land/World articles) to remake. If you have another idea for wording, let me know.

Proposer: Deadline: November 16, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) my proposal

Oppose

 * 1) Banning any word is way too strong, because there could always be a case where the word is applicable. Besides the fact that Wikipedia  uses the term rather loosely, what you're proposing would prevent articles from pointing out that, for example, the level's song is a remix of another song. The proposal would have to be modified to be less extreme before I would consider voting in support for it.
 * 2) Per Time Turner.
 * 3) Per Time Turner and Bazooka Mario's comments below.
 * 4) - "Remix" is inappropriate given how most readers will know it from the music usage and be perplexed by its use for a whole level (if not confused entirely), but "remake" would be less than ideal too since it's mainly used for entire games (or other media) being rebuilt from scratch to be very similar to the original. A level could be remade if it's in a completely different game but is otherwise the same level, I suppose, but if it's just reappearing in the same game with some alterations to be a different playing experience, that's not a remake in our usual sense of the word, and it'd be better to use non-jargon words without preexisting misusage baggage for that situation, like "variation" or maybe even "redesign" (in fact, in the example provided by the proposal, the line after the "remix" part already says "The level is a redesign of [the] original level.").
 * 5) I think Remix is fine. Per all.
 * 6) Per all.

Comments
I changed the terminology so that it is not "ban," but rather "replace with." 14:46, 9 November 2015 (EST)
 * That still doesn't account for the term being used in other circumstances.

I think the reasoning for this proposal is wrong all based on the denotation of "remix". Words are flexible and can be used outside its dictionary definition. Making a strict rule on that isn't really a good decision. That being said, I don't like "remix" being abused like this, so I suggest changing it to less vague and ambiguous terms like "variation", "alteration", "similar". Finally, just a side note: "remix" is more often than not used incorrectly not only in this wiki but even in professional games such as Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U, which only aggravates the abuse of "remix". 15:40, 9 November 2015 (EST)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.