Talk:Lemmy Koopa

SHOULD we have a link to Lemmy's Land on this page? I don't think so...

Huh, you are right, fan sites do not belong on any page besides Links. Feel free to remove the link.

lemmy is very stupid The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silverado.

@Silverado, That's an irrelevant comment and highly immature. BulletBill 13:04, 7 November 2011 (EST)

...Great contribution. Lemmy's Land is a completely unofficial website, having no involvement with the people who actually work for Nintendo. So, no.
 * Dodoman

I for one love the Lemmy's Land site. You can see all kinds of good artwork, games, music, and stories made by Mario fans around the world. It even has a forum. It's good! You gotta admit it! If not, you ain't a good Nintendo fan. --The Game Prince

P.S.: I also use that as my name on Lemmy's Land.

I haven't anything against Lemmy's Land or the people who frequent it. (I used to frequent the site myself.) but most of the information featured on Lemmy's Land isn't truly canon to the Mario universe, and much of it is composed of fan fiction. So I don't really think we should provide a link. Lemmy Koopa617

Lemmy's Birthdate
Where did the information about his birthdate come from?

That's a good question, also since when were Lemmy or any of the other Koopalings officially given middle names?

Lemmy Koopa617


 * Something's fishy...--


 * I don't know but I trusted that guy knew what he was typing. I'll remember that for when I have to revise another Koopaling page (I think I will have to.)

Some guy added middle names and DOB's on a couple of the Koopalings' pages, but I'm pretty sure that information is unofficial. For one thing, I've never heard that, and another, this Wiki's been around for four years now. I'm sure if that information was really officially given, someone would have already added that at this point (unless there was a leaked NSMBWii cutscene where they say "My name is Ludwig Mike von Koopa, and I was born on..." and so on, which I highly doubt), so I removed it. 20:17, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Toothless
Perhaps I am being a little nit picky, and I also am fully aware that his official artwork shows him without teeth. but something small I have just noticed about Lemmy's New Super Mario Bros. Wii battle is, sometimes when he conjures his beach balls with his magic wand it looks to me like he is gritting his teeth. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. and if so should we change this, or should we wait till someone rips his textures from the game.

Lemmy Koopa617

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqGpk3HU9YI

I actually think what you are seeing is his nails(claws) when he does that as his hand goes near his face. ? FD09

Oh you probably are correct then I just didn't see it, that would probably also explain as to why we can only see it from the left, (he seems to be right handed.)

Lemmy Koopa617

"Lazy Eye"
Does he really have a lazy eye, or is it possible he's meant to have "crazy" eyes? Redstar 07:49, 1 December 2009 (EST)

Prince?
Where is it mentioned that Lemmy is a prince (this applies to the other male Koopalings too)? Please answer.
 * Bowser's a king, so logically Lemmy (and the other Koopalings) would be princes.
 * Oh. Forgot that Bowser's a king. Thanks.
 * And of course a princess in Wendy's case. ForeverDaisy09 ~08:10, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

Birth?
I have one question: How can Bowser have children if he does not have a wife?

How do Toads breed?How come the Koopa Clown car can support Bowsers weight?How does Bowswer change size in every game?Seriously nothing suprises me in he marioverse :/ ~by Kaialone

They can be adopted.

^^ I dont think theyre adopted,they look to much like him especially Morton (aside from color) Anyway fact IS it doesnt matter. ~by Kaialone

Possibly modified clones, or maybe versions of Baby Bowser abducted from the past. (Like, go back, kidnap self, go to future. Then go back six month earlier and kidnap self, repeat 7 times.... Toadbrigade5 (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2014 (EDT)

sprite
somebody needs to upload sprites of lemmy of new super mario bros. wii

You can't. New Super Mario Bros. Wii doesn't use sprites - it uses models. --Pyro TEH FEATURED? 17:25, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

Lemmy in Mario Anime?
Dude, Lemmy is nowhere to be found in The Mario Amada series. That should be removed. PS That was Iggy Koopa who appeared.
 * Huh, I re-watched them just now and you're right: he is missing. Weird. I'll go remove the section. - 18:57, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

Lemmy's rings in his shell
Does anyone know the actual color of the rings that surround the spikes in Lemmy's shell? I try to look closely at it(even his airship on 1080p HD) and I'm guessing it either has a light green color or yellow color. I'm not sure on its exact color. Smasher345
 * I'm pretty sure they're yellow. - 21:20, 19 December 2012 (EST)

Are you sure? Because they appear light green on his airship. Smasher345
 * Looked at it again, and yes, I am sure. If you look at this, the airship is clearly yellow; and in this art, the only greenish you get in the rings is because of reflection off the back of his head: the rings out in the open are yellow. Maybe it looks greenish in screenshots because the image is a bit unclear and if you dirty yellow with black or any other colour besides reddish hues, it starts to look greenish. Even being in the shade might make yellow look greenish, but in full lighting, it's still yellow. - 19:01, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Yeah I see it now, it definitely is yellow. I wanted to make sure because his airship in game has it appear in a light greenish color when it appears at the roof of the castle before entering the cannon (I was seeing this in on my clear 1080p HD TV). I think the resolution gives it that color. But the other images does clearly show it yellow so I'm guessing it is indeed yellow. Smasher345 20:01, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Misinformation?
It's been official stated that the Koopalings aren't Bowser's children so shouldn't the description for that picture from Mario is Missing saying "Lemmy and Wendy witnessing their father's capture of Mario." (and anything else related to the mention of Bowser being his and any other Koopaling's father) be edited? Touma101 (talk) 02:26, 23 February 2014 (EST)


 * No cause at the time, Bowser was their father. Anything prior to the interview should remain the same.
 * It's a retcon, and it's not like the caption information is important or anything, so we should remove it. 17:05, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Placeholder Info
Like the other Koopalings, Lemmy's Super Mario World sprite gives him an appearance that substantially differs from his official artwork. In-game, the palette intended for the yellow Koopa Troopas is applied to him, even though the green Koopas' color palette would fit him more; because of his limited color palette, his hair is white. For unknown reasons, Lemmy is even depicted with two small fangs, when none of his other appearances depict him with teeth at all.

Lemmy was named after Lemmy Kilmister, the lead singer and bass guitarist of the English heavy metal band Motörhead.

He is noticeably even smaller than Bowser Jr..

Before battle, Lemmy taunts by striking a hand-stand, followed by performing a front-flip; all atop his ball.

Placing all this here because I'm going to use it later when I continue editing the article. Hope that's okay? UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Dad/Boss
I think that we should continue to describe Bowser as Lemmy's "dad" (now hear me out) for the games where this was the official story. For example, Mario is Missing!, the picture says Lemmy watches his "boss'" capture of Mario. At the time that this game came out, the official story was that Lemmy was Bowser's son. Therefore I think that we should still refer to him as such until New Super Mario Bros. Wii, when the official story changed. If this is agreed on, it should also be changed on the other Koopalings' pages. Peanutjon (talk) 11:23, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

No opinions, then? Peanutjon (talk) 20:36, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Overlooked it. Anyway, it shouldn't be changed for Nintendo media. Nintendo retconned the Koopalings, so I think it's a appropriate to revise when needed. The Mario show still has the Koopalings refer to Bowser as "dad", so we document on it. Overall, though, the article should reflect Nintendo's statement and state exceptions when needed. 17:29, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I... actually didn't understand most of that, but I'm guessing that you were saying that we should refer to it as "boss" because that is the current story... it did seem to imply that. If that is true...


 * We should probably change Peach and Galoomba's pages too, since they refer to the characters as "Toadstool" and "Goomba" in the games where that was the current story. Peanutjon (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2014 (EDT)


 * Nintendo only said their "current" story is that they're his kids iirc, and wiki policy is actually to use the terms appropriate for the release - ie. "Toadstool" for earlier games, and yes, familial terms for earlier Koopaling appearances. Granted, superfluous uses of "dad" could easily be replaced with "Bowser" to make things like captions neutral to avoid these situations, but systematically retconning all the old family appearances to employment is going too far. - 11:22, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Weird bug in this article?
Either there's something wrong with my computer or it's this article. For some reason, the table for "Game appearances" section appears in "Names in other languages" section, and I can't seem to fix this. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 14:28, 20 December 2014 (EST)
 * It's because the table wasn't properly closed; because of that, it ended up migrating to the next table that did have a close tag, which happened to be the other languages table. Toad already fixed it.

Italics
For some reason most of the page is in italics. Even the blue words on top of all pages are italic. I looked and saw it happened after the most recent edit. -- 00:41, 2 February 2015 (EST)
 * Thanks, I fixed it - one of the header italics was left open by the last edit, causing the issue. - 15:14, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Only koopaling without colored irises?
isnt this false? ludwig and morton dont have colored irises either (unless you count the white as irises...) and we cant even see roys eyes, and, thoguh its pretty probable, we cant confirm the blue rings in iggys glasses are his irises either.
 * Regarding Morton and Ludwig, you can see the official artworks for New Super Mario Bros. U here:Morton and Ludwig. When you look at them at full resolution, you can see dark grey irises surrounding the pupils. Regarding Iggy, I think we can be sure that these blue rings are not the glasses' swirls typical of Japanese culture because artwork for Iggy in Super Mario World showed the actual swirls, while other artwork showed us that these swirls were not the way Iggy's eyes were depicted in that game. So I think it is safe to assume that these blue rings are not just swirls coming from the glasses. Only Roy is left, because as far as I know we don't have any artwork of him without sunglasses, however this doesn't mean that he has no irises.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2015 (EDT)

huh, never noticed that before, cool. no that doesnt mean he doesnt have irises, but it also doesnt mean he does, so we cant securely say lemmy is the only one without colored irises, since roy might, or might not, have colored irises either. the trivia could stay, but we should at least add that we cant be sure about roy.
 * Well, I now rephrased that part to be more specific, since as of now I don't think we have artwork of Roy without sunglasses.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:07, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

The 30th anniversary books' bios of Lemmy Koopa
Here are Lemmy's bios from the 30th anniversary books. He's called レミー in those books, without surname like the other Koopalings I have reported so far.

Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.

Characters' pages bio

クッパ七人衆のひとり. 小 柄 な体型で、玉乗りが得意.

''One of the Koopalings. With a petite body, balancing on the ball is his forte.''

Super Mario Bros. 3 enemies section

W6のボス. 魔法で、大きく跳ねるボールを出して攻撃してくる.

''Boss of World 6. Attacks creating big bouncing balls with magic.''

Super Mario World enemies section

バニラドームのボス. ダミー人形とともに土管から顔を出す.

''Boss of Vanilla Dome. Comes out of the pipe along with dummy dolls.''

New Super Mario Bros. Wii enemies section

W3のボス. バウンドボールに乗り、バウンドボールを次々と出してくる.

''Boss of World 3. Balances on a bouncing balls while bouncing balls come out [of his wand] one after another.''

New Super Mario Bros. 2 enemies section

wのボス. 魔法でバウンドボールを出してくる.

''Boss of World. Using magic, bouncing balls come out [of his wand].''

New Super Mario Bros. U enemies section

ドングリへいげんのボス. バクダンを投げて攻撃してくる.

''Boss of Acorn Plains. Attacks throwing a bomb.''

Super Mario Memorial Book

カラフルなモヒカン頭が特徴. クッパ7人衆の中では小柄だが、その実力はあなどれない.

''Characterized by a colorful mohawk. He is petite among the Koopalings, but talented and not to be taken lightly.''

Here it is, I translated 玉乗り as walking on the ball even though I'm not 100% sure this is the right translation, also the SMMB bio translation needs to be checked in the last sentence. Of course corrections and suggestions are more than welcome!--Mister Wu (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2015 (EST)
 * Jisho.org translates 玉乗り as "balancing on a ball". I recommend using that site if you've got trouble with some words. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 09:05, 17 December 2015 (EST)
 * Thanks a lot for the tip and for the suggested translation! I updated the translations accordingly!--Mister Wu (talk) 11:05, 17 December 2015 (EST)

Are Iggy and Lemmy still twins?
Thanks to Miyamoto's retcon, the Koopalings we once knew are a mystery and "no longer bowser's kids". Since they had a re-design, and Iggy is now taller, are Iggy and Lemmy still twins? From SMB3 onwards they were pretty clearly twins. Does this still stand?
 * They have never been stated to be twins in the games, only in the DIC cartoons! In the games they had similar hairstyle, but this doesn't mean that they were twins. By the way, Iggy was since the beginning taller than Lemmy, see the first official illustration and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga sprites!--Mister Wu (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2016 (EDT)
 * Iggy also has a different face (with the jutting out teeth), a slightly different pattern on the hair, and a different build from Lemmy even from the start, so the possibility of them being at least identical twins may not be supported. Still, just by hairstyle alone, it seems that the resemblance to either other is enough, especially when the Koopalings tend to have drastically different hairstyles from each other, so it's understandable that the cartoons would consider them twins, assuming they're identical. I don't think the games ever explicitly contradicted the notion that they're twins, but it's not like they confirmed it either. Yeah, there was a major redesign, but it doesn't necessarily contradict the cartoons, seeing that Tiny Kong also got a drastic redesign and is still considered Dixie Kong's younger sibling. We still have to mention the twin relationship in the article regardless Miyamoto's retcon (which doesn't necessarily contradict that they're siblings either; for instance, they may be related orphans), the drastic redesign, or the games' stances (and lack of thereof) on it. 21:23, 29 March 2016 (EDT)
 * Since in the DIC cartoons' section the fact that they are twins is stated, at least in the pages of Iggy and Lemmy, I wouldn't add such information elsewhere. If you think the Koopalings' page need it also in the DIC cartoons's section (it is already stated in the Birth order section) I might add it there. Regarding game materials, we have the Nintendo Power Super Mario Bros. 3 guide (that states that Larry is the youngest and Ludwig the eldest), the North American version of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (that states that Larry is the youngest) and Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, in whose German version Larry calls Ludwig bigger brother, while in the French version Larry calls Ludwig little brother (but this might be just a sign of familiarity, as the actual term used, frérot, can be used with this purpose). I don't know if other games-related materials with the Koopalings' birth order exists.--Mister Wu (talk) 23:19, 29 March 2016 (EDT)
 * For the most part, you're right, there is really no need to force the affirmative or negative because it would simply be off-topic. As for the sources, even without those sources, the retcon wouldn't contradict it at all (as I said, one example would be that they're orphaned siblings; doesn't necessarily mean they are, but it's an example to show how the retcon doesn't change their relationship, as I said previously). Now we know the sources, they outright states that they're siblings, we know for sure we don't have to change anything on that respect. With context in mind, I think it's likelier that "frérot" would be just for familiarity, but providing the whole sentence with that word and any relevant details would help. 20:23, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
 * I'll gladly provide more information: the word appear at the end of the introductory dialogue in the battle against Ludwig and Larry, here is the French version, with the English version as comparison. On the other hand, the German version uses the "bigger brother" term in another context, when Larry replies to Ludwig after the latter draws one of his cards (thus it is stressed much more that Ludwig is Larry's bigger brother, as this term is actually used even in the second battle). Of course, you're right, the retcon was never about the Koopalings being siblings (even though apparently since New Super Mario Bros. Wii in the Japanese versions of newly released games, including the Japanese version of Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, there isn't any term that suggests that they are siblings).--Mister Wu (talk) 21:25, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

PMCS battle
The attack deals 163 damage. You should have at least 164 health at the attack. And if he dies, 5 or 6 more slurp guys slurps up the color out of mario BEFORE the words "GAME OVER" appear... And (Slurp guys knock down the door) if you use the (starts to slurp up the colors in the room) Disco ball and the Ice pick in order, You can deal some serious damage to... HEY! STOP THAT!!! (defeats slurp guys off-screen) As I was saying, you can deal serious damage to lemmy after the ball is popped, allowing the win. --107.178.38.229 19:07, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Personality
Why does he throw bomb if he preffer go to circus than commit crimes? --90.113.167.250 08:41, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I don't knw if the discussion belongs to this page, but in my opinion you shouldn't try to find much consistency in the personality of the characters of the Mario universe - we are talking about someone who was a son of Bowser that is now considered one of his minions, after all. In this case, I think the reason is likely tied to the gameplay - using bombs allowed for the battle to be different with respect to the classic bouncing circus balls. Anyway, the bombs at least still have decorations that reminds of the circus and of Lemmy's childlike nature.--Mister Wu (talk) 06:57, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Shoudl we consider the introductory sentence of Paper Mario: Color Splash?
Paper Mario: Color Splash'' has a well written introductory sentence by Lemmy: “Thank you, thank you! It is I, Lemmy, the greatest and most humble illusionist in all the world! The things you’re about to see may shock you. They might astound you. But they’ll definitely impress you.” The reason why I hadn't considered yet as main quote for this page until now is that, much like many other Koopalings-related aspects of Paper Mario: Color Splash we never really saw Lemmy as an illusionist in the other material, with even the bios confirming his main trait is rather balancing on the ball. Should we consider the Paper Mario: Color Splash quote as main quote even if we're risking to end up primarily presenting a depiction that is actually found exclusively in one series or, even worse, just in one game? The Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam quote was chosen because it shows Lemmy's childish traits, which were shown in various other games.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Hip's voice
Are we absolutely, positively, 100% sure that Stuart Stone was Hip in The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 rather than Tara Strong? Because Tara Strong is credited as Hip everywhere else and also for the Super Mario World cartoon and the voices for Hip and Hop are exactly the same. Plus, voice actors tend to be miscredited a lot. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:19, December 6, 2021 (EST)

Main Quote
Is it possible to change Lemmy's quote back to the Paper Jam quote? The quote from Color Splash depicts his traits from one game whereas the Paper Jam one shows his most prominent trait. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:53, January 5, 2022 (EST)
 * As the one who changed the quote in the first place, I thought the one in Paper Jam was a bit vague (especially when you don't know the context of it). The quote now seems more like a general thing to me. 09:52, January 5, 2022 (EST)