MarioWiki:Proposals

List of talk page proposals

 * Coin Ring - Split Super Mario 64 (and DS) with Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World (discuss) Passed
 * Split Croacus rulers from List of implied characters (discuss) Passed
 * Merge Mad Scienstein with Arewo Shitain-hakase (discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge content of Bomb Toss with the appropriate segment (discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Retool Category:Children (Discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Change the rules of BJAODN
I think that we should change 5 rules of BJAODN to allow things even funnier to happen.

Proposed Rule Changes:


 * 1) 00ff00


 * 1) ff0000

The bad jokes and other deleted nonsense archive is the fun and controversy archive on the super #ff0000#00ff00 wiki. Its purpose? To have the most bad works documented. for fun!

On a more serious note, this archive was created to store vandalism and poor writing that users consider to be humorous. The archive is for anyone to edit, as long as the added content satisfies one condition: it must be funny.

Before editing, please read the following rules:


 * This is not a general vandalism archive.
 * While it is true that what may be considered "humorous" is fairly subjective, common sense should play a part here. The Mario article being replaced with something along the lines of "MARIO IS A [insert swear word here]" is not funny; it is childish and obnoxious.
 * Do not add impertinent content to the archive.
 * As stated above, information containing vandalism and poor writing is the only type of content that is acceptable to add here. Such content may include entire articles, sections of articles, or "joke" proposals, but may only be taken from valid wiki articles or Proposals. Content derived from user talk pages or any other namespace is not allowed under any circumstances and will be removed on sight.
 * Users reserve the right to remove content which they wrote.
 * The focus of this archive is to store vandalism and poorly written material deemed to be humorous. However, there is an exception: if something you wrote happens to be archived here, you have the right to remove it if you wish for it not to be there (this obviously does not apply in the case of blatant vandalism). For this reason, there should not be any edit warring between users over any specific section being removed.
 * Newbie bashing is not tolerated.
 * There is a difference between poorly written articles that new users may be susceptible to creating and something so confusing and devoid of information that you become suspicious of the writer's sanity. We accept only the latter variety in this archive. #00ff00
 * Don't write badly on purpose.
 * ff0000#00ff00 create all-new material just to add to the archives, #00ff00 don't alter existing material to "make it funnier" #00ff00, and definitely don't vandalize actual articles in order to get them into BJAODN, because you will be punished.

Here are a few tips for organizing BJAODN pages:
 * Entries should be placed in alphabetical order.
 * Entries that have obviously bogus Red Links should be replaced with the template,.
 * Commentary is permitted, but users should show restraint in this matter. Commentary should make the entries funnier, and commenting just for the sake of commenting will be removed#ff0000.
 * You don't need to ask permission to add something.

Summary of ideas:


 * The first rule change is basically fixing a typo in the page.
 * The second rule change creates an exception to a rule. I understand why that rule exists, as we are trying to not offend people, but if someone thinks that something they wrote in the past when they themselves were a newbie, deserves to be added, why not? If having it added would truly offend them, then they would not add it.  It's that simple.
 * Some people might have a desire to be creative with BJAODN entries. Currently, the rules do not allow that.  The third rule change allows users to be creative, and expands what can be added to BJAODN, which would make BJAODN even funnier.
 * Sometimes BJAODN content is written with minor errors added onto the existing nonsense. I think we should cut out the minor errors, and simply leave only the nonsense remaining.  The fourth rule change does just that, allowing users to fix spelling and wiki formatting errors in BJAODN entries, so that the entries become entirely nonsense.
 * The fifth rule change allows users to start conversations about how they feel about BJAODN entries. Having such conversations would make things funnier, by allowing users to talk about the nonsense, in addition to the nonsense already being there.

If necessary, we can implement a rule similar to the Userspace policy where excessive BJAODN editing is a warnable offense, so that people do not overdo it, or create an account just to participate.

Proposer: Deadline: October 27, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) per proposal

Oppose

 * 1) My reasoning below.
 * 2) Per Glowsquid.
 * 3) Per Glow!
 * 4) Per Glowsquid.
 * 5) Having a huge all-or-nothing proposal to "fix" some of BJAODN's "flaws" is not the right way to go: for example, the first change you proposed was fixing the intentionally misspelled "mairo", so that's something I'm already against as it goes against the point of that sentence. Another thing is, we strictly forbid the creation of new content to go into this page for a reason: people will end up vandalizing pages and writing poorly on purpose just to get an entry on this page because they think they're "funny XD", as opposed to unintentionally funny content due to the result of genuine intentions but terribad bad execution. A lot of these fixes are just not suitable for proposal format, and they're better off with a regular discussion on the BJAODN's talk page. In my opinion, none of these changes would be beneficial to the BJAODN and they add several layers of unnecessary complexity to what should be an easy-to-understand thing: just take badly written stuff that made you laugh and at it on there.
 * 6) Ninja: Very bad idea. I see the BJAODN rules as is as fine. One, the misspelling of "Mario" is intentional, as inferred from the bad grammar. We also have had a proposal that wanted to allow users to write badly on purpose, which massively failed. The reasons I'm opposing are the same as that one: allowing users to intentionally create content for BJAODN defeats the entire purpose of its humor. It exists to surprise and amuse users that someone had written a part and had the poor judgement to believe that it is acceptable. This proposal promotes bad edits, which is goes against the core of what this wiki is supposed to be about. Sure, maybe some of the stuff in BJAODN are Poe's Law in action, but this proposal would just open the floodgates and, in my opinion, ruin BJAODN since the surprise is gone. There is nothing to gain from this proposal except allowing users to have a reason to write badly. Anyhow, there isn't a rule against people adding their own poor writing from years ago, as it still retains BJAODN's purpose. The conversations about BJAODN should also be short and sweet or else they'll just be a stick in the mud and weaken the effect of the entry itself. There isn't a subjective rule, but conversations go on other venues. Same thing for writing bad on purpose.
 * 7) Per all oppose.
 * 8) – Per everyone.

Comments
Arght, so:

-The typo is intentional. -If someone wants to add their own contributions to the archive, of course they can do that. It's an obvious exception that does not need to be said. -BJAODN's whole point is showcasing well-meaning errors along with the rare bit of clever vandalism. When I proposed the page in like... 2009, I think?... one of my argument is that it could even be faintly educational by showing people what not to do. Just allowing anyone to shit up the page not only defeats any pratical purpose it might have, but also open the floodgates for unfunny monkeycheese; to recycle what I said in an earlier proposal, past attempts to add original material on BJAODN were less funny than a documentary on Darfur war refugee camps. -BJAODN is meant to be an archive of crap. Allowing people to fix errors runs counter to its whole point. -Excessive conversations were agreed to be removed in forum discussions because they were unfunny and made navigation more tedious.

I do not agree with any of the changes proposed. --Glowsquid (talk) 19:36, 19 October 2016 (EDT)


 * I probably did not think through the full effect of the changes I am suggesting would entail. Under normal circumstances, I would withdraw this proposal.  However, this is not a normal circumstance.  Since so many oppose votes have already been cast, I cannot withdraw this proposal, due to rule 4 "Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes."  20:17, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Your quote literally has the term "talk page proposals" in it. This is not a talk page proposal. 20:18, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.