User talk:Time Turner/Archive 8

Hello to you all, I'm Time Turner, and if you want to talk to me, I got a couple of rules for you first.


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 * 4) Whenever starting a new conversation, put it under a new header.
 * 5) Just to let you know, I am a fan of numerous genres and forms of media, such as My Little Pony and Doctor Who. If that bothers you in a way that makes you feel the need to attempt to provoke me or otherwise instigate something, we're better off not talking.

Big Fire Piranha Plant
Hi Time Turner. I remembered you mentioned that you had the New Super Mario Bros. 2 eGuide, so if it's not an inconvenience, I would like to ask if you can please check something. Does it name this enemy Big Fire Piranha Plant or Big Venus Fire Trap, or neither as the case may be? LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:50, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Huh. Can you go ahead and add the page/tab reference over to that article? (It may have to be renamed to one of the alternate titles, since Big Fire Piranha Plant also isn't in the New Super Mario Bros. Wii Prima guide, and it's such a rare enemy that I don't imagine it being identified by name anywhere else. The article was moved from Big Venus Fire Trap to Big Fire Piranha Plant to match its smaller species, even though that proposal wouldn't cover this). LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:50, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

Re:FX Badges
We have a lot of pages for minor RPG items, though, so I don't see why Attack FX Badges should be treated differently. Binarystep (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2015 (EDT)

Couleur
Désolé de t'embeter, j'ai un souci, il y a pas de couleur pour ma sig, montre tes codes de ta signature sa m'aidera peut être ! :-) --Captain Yoshi  09:39, 16 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Ok, mais il y a un truc que sa cloche, c'est ce code de couleur là: 80914 un truc comme ça car j'aimerais faire ma Sig en orange (Plus en jaune, car en vois pas trop) alors ? Réponds moi quand t'aura le temps ! --Captain Yoshi YoshiYellow-MK8.png 12:16, 16 May 2015 (EDT)

Merluvlee prediction template?
Hey, Time Turner. AglT made this neat collapsible table for Merluvlee's predictions, but I'd like to turn it into a template for the badge pages (and same goes for my item drop tables, too).

I'm not all too familiar with template building, but since you seem to have a grasp of them, maybe you could have a shot at this? --Zootalo (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2015 (EDT)


 * Hmm, good point; I'll leave the predictions in the sections. And for that reason, I don't suppose my badge drop tables don't need that treatment either, huh (I'd do it to trim text characters, but the badge pages don't have that much text to begin with anyway. =P)? --Zootalo (talk) 21:08, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

Re:Names
Sure, I'd be happy to help out! I'll go down the list and point out any corrections, additions or otherwise points of interest in greater detail soon, but just a question about it first: I notice there's a fair amount of foreign names listed here. I know the purpose is to search official names, but perhaps this can be separated to make the tags clear? The overall goal may be the same, but the conjecture, partconjecture, refneeded and anotherlanguage templates would suggest there is different priority involved. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Okay, fair enough. The reason I bring it up is because some of them are inevitably going to be fruitless, particularly the strictly Japan-only material such as the Mario & Wario names (of which there is much more stuff under the stage, block and enemy sections in that article). Possibly, we can at least rename those individual stage articles (for example, moving Balloon Bridge to "Level 7 (Mario & Wario)"), but doing so as things stand wouldn't be totally congruent with the areas which were reused later in the series (for instance, the eighth level area, Karakara Sabaku, was translated later on under the more familiar title of Dry Dry Desert), unless we decide to split off all the shared worlds. Anyway, I've added a reference for Buddy Barrel in the DK Barrel article, which I'm pretty sure is exclusive to Donkey Kong Land (most probably because the partner system works a little differently on Game Boy), so you can go ahead and cross that out. I'll get back to you with more.

P.S., regarding this - actually, that source only uses "Blurp" in reference to the overgrown Yoshi-eating fish, but it's never used to refer to the smaller ones which appear in a separate location, which are also included and grouped together in that article (in my opinion, rather haphazardly). I've added my preliminary thoughts on how to address this on the talk page wherein I kind of agree with Binarystep, but of course there is plenty of room for rethinking the best approach. Right now, I believe at the very least that the smaller "Blurp" needs to be booted out of the article, especially since we're talking about three very distinct enemies and it's barely covered.

P.P.S., regarding that - I don't think deity is quite the right word Goolgenerade was looking for, and from the revert, it seems you thought I was blanking it (correct me if I'm wrong); if it's not clear, (-) suggests it translates to the same thing as the article title, not a blank. It's used in other articles (like here), but looking closer, I don't think there's a formal rule on its application... So yeah, my intention was really to replace the word "Deity" with "Genie." LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

Okay, I'm going to do this going down the list one-by-one...


 * Club Nintendo - I haven't read these, but are we sure that those names aren't in the original German? Seems a little odd to me, so it's probably worth another look.


 * Donkey Kong (GB) - Looking back, it seems Fizzle responded about Dōryī (although I disagree about that "let's worry about the sources later" mentality, because if stuff keeps getting put off, no one's going to do anything about it, and how much longer is “later”?). These scans still need to be applied to the article as references, but I think it's safe to say that Dōryī, at least, is safe (I'm also not sure how Nitpicker is partconjecture).


 * Donkey Kong Country cartoon - Seeing as how King K. Rool has a mild habit of renaming his potential protégés "Junior" (as what happened to Baby Kong in his second episode), “Junior the Giant Klaptrap” can be avoided altogether by moving this article to “Klaptrap (character)”, since that's how the character was originally addressed. If we use in-game names above all else, then reason stands we should go by what's verbally spoken in the show over some other unclear source.


 * Donkey Kong Country 3 - On page 32 of the Nintendo Power guide, the “Buzz Swarm” is referred to as a “swarm of killer bees,” “killer bees,” and simply “bees” (I never really made the connection that these were miniature Buzzes – the sprites just looked like little blobs to me). “Shell Missile” may also come from this quote on page 92: “Barbos will retreat downward, to a lower cavern and will launch homing missile shells at you.” After a couple sentences, it states, “You must use these missiles to knock out her second set of shields.” There's nothing on the Banana Bird barrier.


 * Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - I did come up with a potential solution to mitigate the foreign names here; it's technically allowed by policy, but it may just be on the fringe.


 * Game & Watch - Cement Factory Worker should be “Driver”, as that's the name in the first page of the Tabletop version manual and I think the first page (or cover) of the Wide Screen version.


 * Luigi's Mansion - I don't have a quote off-hand, but as you can see in the talk page, Boo Woods is directly name-dropped in Partners in Time, in the past. The problem is that this is implied to be the location he ends up in the present time (or the events of Luigi's Mansion), but it's never stated.


 * Mario & Wario - There's much more, as I've pointed out... I'm also considering splitting the Time Kinoko and maybe the Star since they work a little differently than their counterparts here.


 * Mario Pinball Land - We also need a citation for King Tut, as well as all of the levels (and Toad's Tent).


 * New Super Mario Bros. - There's no citation for Blockhopper? I believe Glowsquid mentioned having the Nintendo Power guide for that one. You can try asking him. As for Raining Debris, there's now a proposal for merging it with the extremely similar Meteor from the Galaxy games, and it doesn't seem to be that contentious of an issue, so you can probably look forward to crossing that off soon.


 * New Super Mario Bros. Wii - Since the Koopalings' Palutena Guidance in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U introduces the idea of mass-produced Junior Clown Cars, the Mario/Hero Car article can probably be put in that article. (Both Junior Clown Cars are unnamed in the Prima guide).


 * Nintendo Comics System - I haven't gotten around to it, but the Mushers are obviously early depictions of Toads. I actually wrote proposal notes on this in advance and lost it, but I distinctly remember one of my points being that Wooster shows up drawn naked at one point, and he looks just look one of them and no one bats an eye (probably an error, but an indication that they're the same species nonetheless, and we have him as a Toad). Barring that, they're occasionally referred to as “Mushrooms”, which is very likely a reference to the Toad/Mushroom Retainer description in the Super Mario Bros. manual (“Seven Mushrooms...”)


 * Paper Mario - Isn't Shy Guy Army the same thing as the Shy Squad (as the possibly-misplaced Spanish name would suggest)?


 * Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - Didn't Binarystep want to eliminate hypothetical parent species (particularly the Puff species thing)? Craw may be this.


 * Super Mario 64 - We now have an official name for Tuxie's mother! We also have a Japanese name for the Cork Block...it's just Block. Actually, that may be its English name, too, since the instruction booklet states the following: “Press the Z button while jumping to squash enemies or to destroy blocks.” (pg. 15, under Pound the Ground), so the article could easily be “Block (Super Mario 64)” using that quote. I'd wager these are really just reimagined Brick Blocks; it can alternatively be merged with that article since they look like them in Super Mario 64 DS and it's not that unusual anymore to have them on the ground. Anyway, Kuromame and Pyro Box need to be added. The latter seems to have been named here – the author also likes to call Kuromame “Great Balls of Fire.” (Skull Crate also isn't listed in the guide, so that may also need to be added to the list, and “Unagi the Eel” needs to be fixed [it's Unagi and Unagi the eel, but not Unagi the Eel].)


 * Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 - Every World-e level has an unofficial (conjectural) nickname from an English-language hack. Does that count?


 * Super Mario Bros. - Fake Bowser? Looks like someone added it, probably mistaken for the previous article's conjectural name, and said person then GAVE UP! I think it's safe to disregard that name.


 * Super Mario Bros. 2 - The Dream Machine (which was listed as “Nightmare Machine” for a while) now has an official name cited (it's also used in Super Mario Bros. 2 Inside Out). I can't reference it right now, but I'm pretty sure the Prima guide for Super Mario Advance also used Dream Machine (it also, incidentally, correctly translated Pidgits as a type of crow rather than generic birds). I think Nightmare Machine is a relic of young wiki/community embellishment, sort of like calling Mario's Castle "Wario's Castle" despite that never being the name at any point.


 * Super Mario Bros. 3 - A citation has been found for Directional Lifts!


 * Super Mario Land - Looks like we also need Goombo.


 * Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins - Biriron now has a known English name.


 * Super Mario RPG - Wish Star was mistaken for conjectural, but it actually is named in the official guide. I don't think frog is really conjectural here, since that's what Mallow believed himself to be having been raised around them. Also Peach's frying pan is just named “Frying Pan” in Super Mario RPG... If it's considered the same as the Smash Bros. incarnation, it should be called “Frying Pan (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)”, but on the other hand, it's already listed separately under equipment. Mole definitely seems to be the right name for that species, since it's the term used in the Moleville sections.


 * Super Mario World - I added a citation needed on Skull Box since I didn't see it in Mario Mania (they're described as “hatches” on page 96). I also added one for the Red Skull Box from New Super Mario Bros. U / New Super Luigi U to match.


 * Super Mario Sunshine - Tanooki's in the same awkward boat as Boo Woods (name's official, but application may not be). There's also a pageneeded for Klamber's alternate Nintendo Power guide name, “Scuttle Bug” (which, if we're following policy, should make the enemy “Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sunshine)”, but apparently we're making an exception).


 * The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! - Mama Mario's bugging me, because we already know that the official name is just “Mama” (contrast “Papa”), but for some reason no one's doing anything about it after all these years. Apparently, there was a popular wiki member who said the name came from a specific segment, but upon subsequent viewings of her appearances there's not one utterance of Mama Mario (Grandma Mario, however, is legit and the characters even quip about it, so I think the two just got confused). Anyway, I'm thinking the Clog Monster can get away with being called “Monster (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)” if we reference David Horowitz's stilted line, “You've created a monster.”


 * Wario Land II - Since we're factoring some partconjecture articles, it needs to be mentioned – you can add just about every level except for the Really Final Chapter since all the treasures were given conjectural names. The Giant Snake and Dunk levels also contain the conjectural transformations “Egg Wario” and “Ball Wario” respectively. Inamazu, Togemen, Tsuriuo, and Mecha Kuri should also be on the list.


 * Wario Land 3 - I'm confused with the Bird enemy, just like Nitpicker. I don't think what is clearly the same enemy needs a citation for a second appearance to reinforce the previous name, because if we did that, a lot of unnamed cameos or appearances (such as the Skeeter in Mario Party 3) would be considered partconjecture under the same rationale... Also, just like Wario Land II, just about every level except The Temple has an unsourced name for a treasure. Apparently, it comes from here, wherein the author says they were translated from one of the Japanese guides.


 * Wario Land 4 - We also need a English source for the following enemies: Bow Balloon, Butatabi, Deburina, Dice, Harimen, Harimenzetto, Hiyoko, Hotaru, Imomushi, Iwao, Kaentsubo, Marumen, Menhanmā, Men'ono, Moguramen, Onomī, Ringosukī, Robo Bird, Shieragutchi, Skeleton Bird, Tobawani, Toge, Togenobi, Togerobo, Tonkachi, Totsumen, Toy Car, Utsuboankō, and Yūrei. We may also need a citation for Spiked Head, Spike Cannon, Pig Head Statue, PET Bottom, and Mayu Bird (also Frog Switch, which is currently citation needed).


 * Wario World - I know Witch (Wario World) needs a citation.


 * Yoshi's Island DS - Zeus Guy still needs to be checked by someone with the Nintendo Power guide (we've gotta cover all our bases).


 * Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 - Biting Bullet Bill needs a reference that, in all probability, doesn't exist (honestly, would anyone care if it were merged with Missile Bill?).


 * Yoshi's Story - I don't think Spiny Fish is needed since it comes from the official NoA website. I did, however, add Blurp as partconjecture, due to the Blue Blurp name and the question of whether the name really applies to the smaller ones.


 * Other - It seems that the article names “Moneybag” (the item from Super Mario Land 2) and “Money Bag” (the enemy from Super Mario 64) were swapped...

Whew, that's all for now! That should be most of it, but if anything else comes up, I'll let you know. LinkTheLefty (talk) 05:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Okay, so to summarize, here are a few TL;DR adjustments for the list at the moment (I would edit it for you, but I'm not sure if that's allowed and I don't want to accidentally mess with it)...

Remove:


 * Junior the Giant Klaptrap is now Klaptrap (character).
 * Cement Factory Worker is now Driver.
 * Cork Block is now Block (Super Mario 64).
 * Tuxie's mother is now Mother Penguin, from the Player's Guide.
 * Fake Bowser came from an iffy user, so I removed it.
 * Directional Lifts has a proper citation now.
 * Biriron is now Jack-in-the-Box (enemy).
 * Wish Star had a source from the Player's Guide, so it's not conjecture.
 * Moles (albeit lowercase) are also used in the Player's Guide, so that's probably good enough.
 * Spiny Fish is cited from the official English website.

Add:


 * The above from Wario Land II.
 * The above from Wario Land 4.
 * The above from Mario Pinball Land.
 * Goombo from Super Mario Land.
 * Kuromame from Super Mario 64.
 * Pyro Box from Super Mario 64.
 * Skull Crate from Super Mario 64.
 * Skull Box from Super Mario World (and the Red Skull Box from later games).
 * Witch (Wario World).
 * Zeus Guy from Yoshi's Island DS (might be in the Nintendo Power guide, since it's possible Prima gave it another name [like they corrected Klamber]).

Possible changes to look out for:


 * Raining Debris might be merged with Meteor in the near future, removing the conjecture tag.
 * Fizzle responded with a Game Boy Donkey Kong scan or two to prove his point, so that can be applied to the articles.
 * Donkey Kong Jungle Beat has some what Naming may consider "development names" in English, but I'm waiting for the go-ahead since I don't want any backlash.
 * We already have a more straightforward name for Mama "Mario", but there's currently a conflict due to the Mama disambiguation (even if Mama Mario was said in passing once in a very obscure clip, wouldn't our Naming policy dictate the Super Show! is a lesser source anyway?).
 * "Fifty-Mile Musher" (I believe) is used in a derogatory manner by Bowser just like "Truffle Toes" in Mutiny on the Fungi, but it's obviously not the real species name. They are better known as "Mushrooms" in other comic stories; given the observations, they can probably be merged with the Toad species, or at least given the name "Mushroom (Nintendo Comics System)" or "Mushroom (people)". I'm not sure which course of action would be preferred, so a proposal is probably a good idea.
 * Biting Bullet Bill from Super Mario Advance 3 really uses the same principle as Missile Bill except for the wakka wakka thing. Does anyone care about it?
 * The Time Kinoko and Star from Mario & Wario might be different enough to warrant their own articles from Mushroom and Super Star.
 * I don't have the Nintendo DS New Super Mario Bros. guide, but I think Glowsquid does. He can probably check if Blockhopper is in there.
 * The Mario/Hero Car can probably be considered a "mass-produced type" Junior Clown Car without too much conflict, so merging would eliminate conjecture.
 * I might do something about the Yoshi's Story Blurps since I really think three enemy variants is a bit much for one article.

I think that's the gist of it, so I hope that's a bigger help. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:40, 20 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Sorry for the delay. I added the remaining names for you: Mario Castle, 1-Up Heart, Slot Machines, Bunny Ears, Space Zone Entrance, Mario Land Tree, Micro Mario, and Hippo Stage. They didn't end up changing existing article names, though, so they're more like alternates. Still a neat set of scans, though. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Super Mario Kart
Why did you do that to Super Mario Kart? I thought it looked great when I did it because it was'nt as messy. ShyGuy8 (talk|contribs) 20:49, 18 May 2015 (EDT)


 * Oh, I understand, sorry. Hope you have a nice day!

ShyGuy8 (talk|contribs) 21:00, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

an apology
I am sorry for arguing with you like that about a project to which I didn't really contribute much. Another gossip-loving Toad (talk)

Bonjour
Bonjour, si tu parle français, moi aussi je parle français... --83.156.220.80 07:35, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

Games Art page
>tfw when I couldn't be arsed to create that page first and lost my chance to namedrop gungriffon.

Are you planning on making any other developers pages? I thought of making Nintendo R&D2. --Glowsquid (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

re:Ashley
Every random characters have their latest actual appearances listed along their Mario series one when applicable, and it's not like Ashley appears in a lot of games, so wynaut. --Glowsquid (talk) 12:22, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

Rhythm Tengoku
Seeing as there's a tonne of WarioWare stuff in the game, it actually qualifies for a guest appearance, like DK in Punch-Out!! and Wario in Stafy, so the goal is to have a page for it here too. - 23:02, 15 June 2015 (EDT)

Re your post on Walkazo's talk: You can view all the WW stuff in the game here. Some of the WW characters are "playable", while others make cameos. It's really the same thing as DK's appearance in Punch-Out (post-completion guest appearance). --Glowsquid (talk) 23:14, 15 June 2015 (EDT)

RE: Gūrindai
Yes from a Japan game guide preview.

It is now added.

Bear
I stupidly believed that guy when he said it was un-sourced. I quickly moved it back, when I realized that it was sourced. --Hiccup (talk) 14:38, 22 June 2015 (EDT)

Re: Polluted Piranha Plant
Yeah, that's what I get for trying to pull off huge overhauls of pages when I've gotten like no sleep all day. I actually do own the guide, which I had been looking through over the past few days to find where it was mentioned. As it turns out, the name of the page is actually just "Polluted Piranha", so the page has been moved and the page number of the guide where the name is mentioned has been added.

19:52, 3 July 2015 (EDT)

Buy price?
I just added that to the template as a "for good measure" reference for those that sell their badges and want to buy it back, even though the buy price is double of what they sold it for. --Zootalo (talk) 10:38, 13 July 2015 (EDT)

paper mario badge
Four Paper Mario badges have a different description on screen. --Another gossip-loving Toad (talk) 06:46, 17 July 2015 (EDT)