User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster

Edits
Hello, please recall what I said here regarding italics for titles. This applies to games, shows, even books like Super Mario-kun etc. (see Manual of Style).

Also, make sure to make use of punctuation to separate parts of sentences, specifically when using "however" (e.g. "They can also cameo in Absent Minded as one of the characters that can be chosen however they only appear if someone isn’t playing as Monty Mole."). "However" should be preceded with a semicolon and followed by a comma, or at least starting a new sentence: "They can also cameo in Absent Minded as one of the characters that can be chosen. However, they only appear if someone isn’t playing as Monty Mole." 00:29, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the advice I also wanted to know if the Small Monty Mole and the Monty Mole and Mega Mole wearing Tuxedos from Super Mario Adventures should have their own pages as characters or variants of Monty Moles


 * If they were given names, maybe, otherwise they should stay on the general enemy page.


 * Also, you acknowledged my message but your last edit on Monty Mole completely went against what I said. 00:55, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Oh sorry I forgot I’ll probably get used to doing it more

Also the Super Mario Adventures Moles I mentioned never were named, Also I was wondering how I can upload images (especially for when I add manga info later on)


 * Special:Upload. The summary and license should be filled in, and " " should be replaced with a category link (so for SMK images, you'd replace it with  ).


 * Also, remember to end sentences with periods, since a few of your edits were missing them. You also need to sign your talk page comments by typing four tildes at the end: ~ 01:23, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Reminder
I've reminded you twice already. Even if you're linking to titles with brackets, you still need the apostrophes around them. 21:41, October 1, 2021 (EDT)

How do I suggest something from a section? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 09:42, October 2, 2021 (EDT)

Image categories
Image category links should be square brackets, not curly, as I mentioned above:, not    20:27, October 2, 2021 (EDT)

I was wondering if there is anyway to upload files I have since I have nearly every Mario Manga scan with Monty Mole species in my folders and I want to upload them? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:27, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Warioware Twisted being removed from the Rocky Wrench page
The reason why I removed WarioWare: Twisted from the Rocky Wrench page, look at this TheRaoul1992 (talk) 16:30, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Oh so the sprite sheet didn’t have Rocky Wrench? Well sometimes sprite sheets miss sprites (For example I saw a Yoshi Touch & Go spritehseet that didn’t have Monty Mole or the Metal Mawful Mole sprite sheet missing their standing sprites) so they could have forgotten but it’s possible that Rocky Wrench was only in the Warioware Gold version as a addition. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:36, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

After looking at some videos it seems that the Warioware Twisted version only had the Fire Piranha Plants and Bullet Bills and the Warioware Gold version added the airship part which featured Rocky Wrenches. So it seems that your right they only appear in the Warioware Gold version. Thanks for letting me know and fixing this error. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:42, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

So uh is there anyway to upload a folder I have here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:43, October 3, 2021 (EDT)

Yes. TheRaoul1992 (talk) 06:34, October 24, 2021 (EDT)

Mario Golf: Super Rush
These are wrong section levels. Sections with more equal signs are sub-sections of those with fewer above them. Since Super Rush is part of the Mario Golf series, which goes under History, it should be:

Mario Golf: Super Rush
08:35, October 4, 2021 (EDT)

I was wondering if volumes of Mario Manga (Like Super Mario-kun) would be like sections (like with the games) or it would be one section? Also is there a way to label a page for translation? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:47, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

Linking
You don't need to link like this  unless the display text is different from the article title (e.g.   --> Luigi's brother). Just link like this. 00:10, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Well where is a good place to put link to the manga scans of Monty Mole so people know it’s official? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:25, October 7, 2021 (EDT)


 * We already know the manga is official because we're covering it. 00:31, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

So should I not leave red links for future pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:43, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Ghost Monty Mole
Read Conjectural names and Minor NPCs - An article should be created if it's significant enough, like Monty Mole Swooper, so just a shot of one (with no role or effect on the story) isn't sufficient. You should make this judgement first before adding links.

A few other things to pay attention to:
 * Don't begin a new sentence with "but". Conjunctions aren't used at the start of sentences, so it should be preceded with a comma.
 * Phrases in parentheses mid-sentence (like this) should have the first letter in lowercase as I just did (And not like this).
 * Use "an" before a word beginning with a vowel, not "a" (e.g. "an undead variant", not "a undead variant").

Finally, please proofread your edits because you're still occasionally missing periods at the end of sentences (your Ghost Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench edits), which should be easily noticeable. 06:25, October 8, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the info but I was wondering if the Monty Mole Stone Spirits can get their own article (They actually do something unlike the ghost Monty Mole). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:26, October 8, 2021 (EDT)


 * I've never read the manga, so use your use your best judgement or ask someone else who has read it if you're not sure. You're also still not using "an" before vowels. 00:48, October 9, 2021 (EDT)

Another thing, avoid confusing "its" with "it's" and "their" with "they're". "It's" and "they're" are short for "it is" and "they are", while "its" and "their" are the possessive pronouns (e.g. "uses its kart", not "uses it's kart", and "when they're shrunk", not "when their shrunk"). Contractions should be avoided anyway, so it should be "when they are shrunk". 01:25, October 9, 2021 (EDT)

Talk page sections
When you start a new topic in a talk page, make sure you always start a new section rather than just putting your comment straight into the previous one, especially if that section is completely unrelated to what you want to say. 19:56, October 10, 2021 (EDT)

Reminder
This had to be corrected multiple times, please pay more attention to this.

Also, is not used for mentions of unofficial names in a section of an article. It's used for the whole article when the article's title itself is conjectural.

I'm not sure what the point of these edits adding/removing the period was as well, but please don't do that as it floods the history page with unnecessary edits. 05:06, October 13, 2021 (EDT)

RE: Manga Translations
That link doesn't work.

No, there was no king mentioned from what I read, just one of Bowser's minions addressing him as "King". 23:37, October 13, 2021 (EDT)

I have another link here: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/44397/#post-2301092. Its a thread I posted which has the volume 23 scans. Also I will upload some of my physical scans here just for translation purposes. So if you need to translate the name just tell me the translated name from here. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:53, October 13, 2021 (EDT)


 * The mother's name is「チョロプー子」(Choropūko).


 * Yes, a Monty Mole mentions a king of theirs that it was going to take Mario and co. to.


 * I don't see any more names that need to be added. 23:55, October 14, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the info. I’ll add the implied king for the Monty Moles in the implied characters you can source the dialogue there if you want. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:10, October 15, 2021 (EDT)

I'm not that familiar with casual Japanese so the best I can do is pick up names and a few phrases or at least the general meaning of them. Can you also be more specific on which Rocky Wrench creature? If you're referring to the one on the poster in the first scan, it just says "Mario VS Mogera Kong" with no indication of what species it is. The miners don't appear to be named.

The Monty Mole just said「こいつら、大王さまのところへ連れていくだよ. 」(Koitsura, daiō-sama no tokoro e tsureteiku da yo.) which means, "We'll take these guys to the great king's place." If it needs to be added to a page, it should be the original quote plus a translation.

Please check that a link works for guest viewers before linking it to someone. This Mega link also doesn't work. 04:14, October 16, 2021 (EDT)


 * Okay, but how do you know that's their name? It's something they shout aloud but I can't be certain that it's what they call themselves.


 * Re. Mogera Kong, there is not enough info to determine that, but it can be listed on the implied characters page.


 * Ragumo's page already cites the same passage, which only conjectures that it's related and doesn't confirm it.


 * BTW it'd also help for others reading the scans if you took them in the correct orientation. 21:38, October 16, 2021 (EDT)


 * The painter's name is Choropū the Picasso (チョロプー・ザ・ピカソ), his muscular cutout is named Macchoropū (マッチョロプー), and the vehicle he uses is the Road Roller (ロードローラー) which is labelled "Nachunaru" (ナチュナル) (don't know what it means but it may just be a name, and probably a pun on "natural" (ナチュラル)). Considering the volume is based on 3D Land, the face on it does seem to be a Morty Mole. As for the ending, it looks more like the Monty Mole Mario was talking to in that panel was actually a cutout, which explains why it's silent (Mario also asks what this place is and demands it to speak up) and looks the same in two panels. The guy at the end says, "「世にも微妙な物語」でした. " which seems to be a reference to the Japanese TV series "世にも奇妙な物語" (Yo ni mo Kimyou na Monogatari, "Tales of the Unusual") with 奇妙 (kimyou, unusual) swapped out for 微妙 (bimyou, subtle), so he's essentially saying, "This was 'Tales of the Subtle.'"
 * " The writers probably did it to help introduce these characters much easier (since the target demographic is mainly children)." - Fair enough, I suppose I should have at least mentioned what the miners shouted (チョロザイル, "Chorozairu", though I don't know what it means or what the second half is derived from).
 * "was the Noki talking about those posters that had Mogera Kong being made up movie posters or something?" - I can't tell what he's saying exactly but he doesn't mention their being movie posters.
 * "Oh also, should the Mogera Kong be in the trivia page for Rocky Wrench or no?" - It can just be mentioned in the SMK section itself. 01:31, October 18, 2021 (EDT)


 * AKG48 (based on ): プー子 (Pūko) the Rocky Wrench, テレちん (Terechin) the Boo, クリみな (Kurimina) the Goomba, ゲソりん (Gesorin) the Blooper, フゲまゆゆ (Fugemayuyu) the Porcupuffer, ハチ子 (Hachiko) the Stingby, バブちゃん (Babu-chan) the Lava Bubble, and ボムりん (Bomurin) the Bob-omb. The festival is called「もぐらまつり」(Mogura Matsuri, Mole Festival) and I don't see a date, only that it takes place "today" once a year. The female Monty Mole is actually Pūko, so she must have taken the appearance of a Rocky Wrench earlier, so yes, this member at least should get an article. The whack-a-mole sign says「もぐらたたき」(mogura tataki, which is just "whack-a-mole"), but Pūko later clarifies it's a「チョロプーがたたくゲーム」(Choropū ga tataku gēmu, a game where Monty Moles whack you, since mogura tataki literally translates to "mole strike" and can be interpreted as the mole being the subject rather than the object). The Monty Mole with glasses running the raffle (where Luigi wins two Statue Leaves) isn't named, and can just go on the Monty Mole page. I don't see any appearances or mentions of knight Monty Moles.
 * Re. volume 17, no, there was no mention of who or where the jewellery came from. The drink was . 08:33, October 19, 2021 (EDT)


 * Considering she says "The Monty Moles here are all only good moles" when she introduces the festival (and what she says in my next sentence), I'd say Pūko is a Monty Mole. She just mentions the suit being a "super-metal, invincible power suit handed down for generations in the Monty Mole family".


 * Again, my casual Japanese isn't good and I wouldn't be able to give an accurate translation of the PMTOK dialogue. The Rocky Wrench's bio says "Appears from the ground and throws spanners. Be careful of suspicious manholes on the field." 00:42, October 21, 2021 (EDT)


 * No, by "family" it means the Monty Mole species, not a specific, literal family. I don't know anyone specifically but you've already posted on the forum, so if someone who can sees it, they'll reply. 00:52, October 21, 2021 (EDT)


 * The mother is just called「チョロプー（母）」(Choropū (Haha), which is just "Monty Mole (Mother)"); similarly, the children are just called「チョロプー（子どもたち）」(Choropū (Kodomo-tachi), "Monty Mole (Children)"). If you're referring to the bottom middle panel on pg. 128, it says "And then, the underground Monty Mole house..." The steak is called「サンタ食うロース」(Santa kuu Rōsu, Sirloin for Santa, and a pun of "Santa Claus"). Re. volume 55, it's literally just a picture of the ghosts so definitely not, and you need to be more specific when you're referencing an entire volume (what page are the ghosts on in volume 4?). I'd count sneak peeks as a first appearance, though I think its full appearance should be dated as well. The Choropū Men'iwa say「にがさんぞ～～!!」(Nigasan zo!!, "Don't try to escape!!")


 * 4koma strip:
 * {|class=wikitable

!Skyscraper Blues !Careful of Falling Rocks
 * Mario: Why does this building have a hole?
 * Mario: !? Where are these falling from!?
 * (Big Donut) Big Monty Mole: Gyaaa!? Hot, hot!! Mario: Don't come out!! ↑ Lava
 * Mario: Aah!? The space is looping!? ↑ Appearing from above
 * (Block Fort) Big Monty Mole: The hole!! Where's the hole!?
 * (This is the view from Mario's perspective) Mario: It's endless...
 * }
 * 22:20, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
 * Mario: Aah!? The space is looping!? ↑ Appearing from above
 * (Block Fort) Big Monty Mole: The hole!! Where's the hole!?
 * (This is the view from Mario's perspective) Mario: It's endless...
 * }
 * 22:20, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
 * 22:20, October 22, 2021 (EDT)

Formal writing
Please pay attention to the tone of your writing and keep it as formal and professional as possible. Words like "gonna" and "sorta" are colloquial and should not be used on articles. 04:56, October 15, 2021 (EDT)

SMK
I'd like to know how you're summarising these chapters btw if you don't know Japanese. If you're just basing it off the pictures alone, while it can work most of the time, I'm going to have to ask you to not do this so heavily in the future as it can lead to inaccurately/incorrectly describing the events in the manga (for example, the Choropū (Kodomo-tachi) were not "snarky" and thought Mario was Santa, they thought he was a thief at first). 05:15, October 23, 2021 (EDT)


 * Okay but you didn't answer my post. And you're still forgetting "an" before words beginning with vowel sounds; pay attention to this and proofread your edits, otherwise you'll receive a warning since you've been reminded of this several times already. 20:13, October 23, 2021 (EDT)


 * I'm not translating anything until you stop sidestepping what I asked in my first post. This is something that's important to know before handling these translations. 21:19, October 24, 2021 (EDT)

RE:Super Mario-kun
Volume 11 has Wario Land, Donkey Kong '94 and Wario's Woods so... no: no Moles in main chapters nor in the puzzle pages.

I would say the SMkun section is pretty much perfect. Maybe one or two minor appearances are missing, but you got basically all the chapters that mainly focus on Monty Moles.

--Mariuigi Khed (talk) 05:50, October 23, 2021 (EDT)

I repeat: safe bet that you mention ALL the chapters that main focus on the Monty Moles. A part MAYBE from minor appearances (like in middle of groups), you got everything in there. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 10:02, October 24, 2021 (EDT)

I need to charge the card, but in the afternoon I can get the last volume. Also, I'm still working on that list you asked me about it. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 07:03, November 1, 2021 (EDT)

Well, between studies and work, it's slow pacing. As for the list, as for now (first 15 volume), I didn't find anything missing. Also, I thought my work paycheck was weekly, but due to the new contract, it's now monthly, so I didn't buy the new volume yet (since I was waiting the work moneys, instead of using directly mine). Maybe tomorrow I can buy it. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 18:29, November 5, 2021 (EDT)

So, the dialogues you linked say (approximately) this:


 * "My big brother He doesn't want to work He jumped out here and got somewhere."
 * "He's somewhere Selling stuff by knocking. [And then I completely gave up with this last sentence, either he's asking what's the name of his brother's job, he's asking if he's ok, or "what he's doing in that garden/gated entrance/tea-garden"]"

More or less, this should be the translation of those dialogues. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 19:41, November 5, 2021 (EDT)

Ok, here's the list so far (reached volume 15 for now). Mega Moles (whose page section is very poor) are also listed here. So, what you didn't mention (or little mistakes to fix, signed with a *) are the follows: The rest is all fine. I'll check the rest, later. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 11:52, November 6, 2021 (EDT)
 * 1) In volume 1, chapter 1, Yoshi is the one talking about Bowser's army, not Bowser.*
 * 2) In volume 1, chapter 7, I've seen in some translations on the few mangas' translation sites, that the Mega Mole is considered the parent (possibly the mom) of the Monty Moles burnt by Mario.*
 * 3) In volume 1, chapter 9, the trio meets a coward (and unnamed) Mega Mole (I thought his name was Indy, until I checked that it was the Japanese species name, I'll call him Indy for simplicity): the trio falls on top of Indy while chasing Yoshi, who ate the Underground map. Indy is more scared of them and cowers in fear. Mario and Luigi laughs at the idea of a big enemy being scared and, removing his shades, Indy presents himself and explains he got left behind from all his co-workers. After being saved by Balloon-Frog Mario from drowning, Indy escorts them to the exit. Riding on a Skull Lift, they're attacked by a Blargg, sent to finish the job and kill off Indy too for his betrayal. Inspired by Mario's bravery, even in front of such desperate situation, Indy jumps into the Blargg's mouth, clogging it but falling back into the lava with the monster. Immediately, after, though, it's revealed that he survived, much to his new friends' joy, and the Blargg is still stuck on his head.
 * 4) In volume 1, chapter 15, about the “Super Shades” that transforms Mario into Mole Mario, I'll would add this was (probably) the inspiration for Mole Tank/Mole Yoshi.*
 * 5) In volume 2, chapter 11, it's Bowser and ROY's Summer Festival trap, not Bowser and Morton.*
 * 6) In volume 4, chapter 3, Kamek's balloon is actually a Monty Mole, not just shaped as.*
 * 7) In volume 4, chapter 8, no problems in the chapter himself (you mentioned the ghost of the Mole seen in Hell), but you MAY forgot to mention the puzzle that follows the chapter is a Maze shaped as a Monty Mole.
 * 8) In volume 5, chapter 10, Lemmy creates (poorly-drawn) doodle Koopa Troops soldiers with Mario Paint, including a Mole (not sure if Mega or Monty).
 * 9) In volume 5, chapter 11, the Grudge Rock trows not only the Choropū Men'iwa to the trio, but even other enemies' souls trapped into rocks, but most of them are Monty Moles. (I presume you created the Choropū Men'iwa page, I would suggest making it more generic in order to include the other enemies)*
 * 10) In volume 5, chapter 12, part 2, a Rocky Wrench is squash by Luigi during the Star World battle against Bowser 3.
 * 11) In volume 6, chapter 1, Yoshi doesn't get “reincarnated”: as seen in the previous comic, it's revealed that using that "Yoshi attack", transforms him into "Star Yoshi".*
 * 12) In volume 6, chapter 2, the trio face a Thwomp headed Sphynx, another hybrid with (again) Monty Mole's hands.
 * 13) In volume 6, chapter 4, the trio is attacked by a Mega Mole racer on a icy circuit. He tries to squash Mario after using the Poison Mushroom, his kart is motor-boated, so the ice breaking under his weight isn't a problem, and finally he's defeated with a Lightining Bolt and trapped inside a snowman.
 * 14) In volume 6, chapter 12, the Monty Mole is instructed by Bowser in helping DK Junior with his rematch.*
 * 15) In volume 7, chapter 12, a Mega Mole blocks fat Mario and Yoshi's path but, sick and tired of YET ANOTHER obstacle, Mario lift him and trow him away (à la SMB2), right against Yoshi.

Ah, forgot to tell you: tonight I'll see to translate those KC Mario pages. --Mariuigi Khed (talk) 12:38, November 6, 2021 (EDT)

Ok, the answers are:
 * About the Super Choropū, I see those manga translator make him/her call the Monty Moles "my little ones". About the sex of the character, I'm more inclined to believe it's a she (because in Italian and "Mole" and "Monty Mole" are feminine names in my language, but I have to check for the Japanese version, and it's not that easy).
 * The "Grudge Rock" (or "Rock of Envy"), it's that Goomba rock with the ! on the forehead. I think it's some sort of Japanese ghost, but the closest thing I found is the Ikiryo, which is a ghost whose negative emotions make the spirit stay in the living realm, and some myths agree on the fact that it can possess people and things. So I guess all of those rocks with the faces of Goombas, Monty Moles, Rip Van Fish and Charging Chuck are these Ikiryos, and are called "Grudge Rock" by the Eeries and the chapter title. Probably "Choropū Men'iwa" isn't exactly the species name, but a simple description.
 * Yes, chapter 4 explicitly states that Mario goes to THE actual Hell (and this is maybe the reason we don't have the Underwhere in the manga, during the SMP arc). Fun fact, I was sure that the bearded Bowser Mario meets in Hell was supposed to be the Japanese version of the Devil/God of Death that, for comedian reasons, has the same face as Bowser, but turns out it's simply the ghost of Bowser's Ancestor.
 * The Thwomp Sphinx, simply called “Sphinx”, as the chapter baddie, I agree on the fact that he should have his own page (since we have other pages, I would call it "Sphinx (Super Mario-kun)"). The Blargg Creature, Bookitu says "It's a combined/coalesced/united monster I wanted to make", so let's call him “Combined Monster”. And yes, a page for him too, we'll probably have to make pages for the original transformations (and maybe moves) in the mangas, so why not on the minor original characters? On this note, I would make a page for that friendly Mega Mole of volume 1, chapter 9 (simply called "Mega Mole (character)").
 * Finally, yes it's a real Monty Mole, not a balloon shaped as a Mole. It's disguised as a balloon to be in theme with the New Year Japanese tradition (see that Thwomp rolled in a futon in the same chapter).

Warning
21:19, October 24, 2021 (EDT)

Proposal layout
When starting a talk page proposal, there is a lot you should be aware off: 05:33, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * Under the section header, you need to put a proposal notice "".
 * Each subsection header of the proposal uses three equal signs on each side, not four. The header for the entire proposal uses two on each side.
 * The deadline date is two weeks from the day the proposal starts.
 * On Proposals, in the "List of ongoing talk page proposals" section, you need to link to your proposal. You can follow the code of other links in the section.

Last warning
Either you're choosing not to read anything other than what you requested or you read the advice and refused to follow it because in no instance of using an indefinite article have you used it correctly before a vowel sound since the initial reminder, and it's frustrating for others having to correct the same mistakes you were notified for several times. If you want others to cooperate with you, at the very least start doing the same and take advice seriously and listen to what else others are telling you.

Also, don't make it a habit of always reverting someone else's edit removing something you wrote. If you think it should stay, discuss it first. 21:07, October 30, 2021 (EDT)

I am very very sorry for not using an in sentences. I always forget about it and I really don’t want to get banned for it. From now on I will try to use an in my sentences correctly. I will try to do it more often. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:11, October 30, 2021 (EDT)

I know it is minor, but I used an in my last edit if you want to see. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:22, October 30, 2021 (EDT)

RE:Monty Mole Stuff
I don’t have the game—can’t access it since it’s not available in my region—and even if I did, I’m afraid that with the game’s discontinuation currently drawing near, any of my potential efforts would have been hasty and possibly fruitless. The Dr. Mario World pictures I’m uploading originate from the game’s promotional social media accounts, which do not seem to make any allusion to Monty Moles whatsoever. Sorry about that. As for any sign of talpid depictions in the concept art of Mario + Rabbids, I’ll have to check and I’ll be able to do so at a later time. Thank you for your inquiry! 16:58, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Chronological order
See Manual of Style - Pay attention to where you're adding new History subsections, as they should be in chronological order. Badge Arcade did not come out between the first Yoshi-franchise game and the G&W Gallery series, so on the Monty Mole page, it should be placed after Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games and before Dr. Mario World. 21:32, October 31, 2021 (EDT)