MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Split deceased category into characters and people (Discuss) Deadline: June 22 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
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New features
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Removals
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Enforce a timestamp with user signatures
According to Signature, signature and datestamp are preferable, referring to when users sign their comments. While clicking the pen icon in the editing interface produces ~ and automatically inputs a generic signature with a timestamp, several custom user signatures still either have the user manually inputting to transclude their signature page, or just typing. Neither of these options will give a timestamp (which is an important part of the signature, according to the guideline page) and therefore makes it harder when looking back on older conversations to know when the comment was actually made without having to look at the talk page edit history. The solution is simple; enforce users to either set up their custom signatures to display the timestamp (a simple process even for new users who are inexperienced with wiki syntax, as shown in Help:Signature), or just have them use the plain default signature which already includes a timestamp. If this were to pass then the appropriate changes would be made to Signature to cover this. tl;dr simply transcluding the signature page as many users do, fails to provide a timestamp and can make reading older messages confusing; the process of setting it up to include a timestamp should be enforced to prevent this.

Proposer: Deadline: June 20, 2016 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my reasoning.
 * 2) Abso-astheysay-lutely (or "Per driftmaster"). Hell, make it simpler - you MUST sign with ~ . It is entirely possible to make that produce  in your settings if you want to use that sort of sig.
 * 3) - I am fine with encouraging users to sign with ~ and even to add timestamps to, but not signing with timestamps should not be a warnable offense. I'm saying this just in case users start giving out warnings for not using timestamps if this passes. An informal reminder would do best unless it's extremely recurring, in which case an official reminder would be the best course, but definitely not a warning.
 * 4) I will agree with all of you! This is a very good idea to use it so, per all.
 * 5) I'll be one hundred percent honest, I'm not to keen on saying you MUST use a timestamp or truly enforce the idea, however I do see the usefulness of the idea and how it makes it easier to tell when comments were posted and that's mainly why I'm supporting. If anything, I more agree with Tucayo's point of encouraging it rather than outright forcing it.
 * 6) Per Tucayo.
 * 7) Per Tucayo.
 * 8) Per Tucayo.
 * 9) Per Tucayo.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Per Tucayo.

Oppose

 * 1) I agree with Tucayo, in that encouraging users to use timestamps isn't bad, but I'm not comfortable with the proposal wanting to enforce timestamps, especially if the rule is enforced on all talk pages.

Comments
I'm also very annoyed by the lack of timestamps in some signatures, but if users do not sign with timestamps, should we fill it in for them or not? Also, should we add a timestamp to ? 21:37, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
 * If this passes and users still don't implement a timestamp, then yes (though not having a timestamp would be a reason to issue a and it would be enforced like any other signature rule). Also adding it to the unsigned template is a good idea.  21:49, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

Would this be mandatory whenever a signature is used, regardless of whether it's on a user talkpage or a mainspace talkpage? [No timestamp given]
 * @Time Turner Yes, although on a mainspace discussion page it's easier to know the timestamp since all the conversation takes place on the same page and at least one user will likely include a timestamp; it's still important to know when the individual comments were posted.
 * @Tucayo and Tails777 That was the underlying idea of this proposal, although I used the term "enforce" because "encourage" might have caused some misunderstanding and led people to believe that a timestamp is preferable but not very essential. Also as I said above, if this is implemented the addition of a timestamp will be added as an official signature rule and having a custom signature without a timestamp would be a reason for a . Same with other signature violations (e.g. having a large image or text), it's unlikely that the user will recieve a warning unless they stubbornly refuse to change it (in which case, still, only another informal message or a reminder would be issued, or an admin would change it for them). In short, having a trascluded signature without a timestamp would be treated like any other minor signature violation. 11:45, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I think if (when?) this passes, at least three things: - Reboot (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
 * 1) (Re)Create MediaWiki:Talkpagetext with the text (probably boxed out) This is a talk page. Sign your posts with - ~ and a small-text link direct to an explanation of how to edit your signature on Special:Preferences as raw wikitext for those that want signatures.
 * 2) Add a MediaWiki:Sitenotice for a week or so to the same effect.
 * 3) Make it so that it has to be any time a post is made (basically any time other than a proposal vote).
 * Note that pages that change texts in the MediaWiki namespace are language-specific, editing just the Talkpagetext page may only change or add the English variant. I might be mistaken, as it doesn't apply to all (Sitenotice being one), but keep this is mind. 15:00, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
 * ...MarioWiki.net (German) and MarioCastle.it (Italian) are entirely separate sites. MarioWiki.com is an English-only (in essence) site. - Reboot (talk) 17:58, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
 * That is not what I mean. You can set your language on the main preferences page, which shows all MediaWiki text in that language. Example. These texts are (mostly) editable with the MediaWiki namespace, but you only edit the English one, others remain unchanged. 11:09, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
 * ...I am honestly struggling to see the point of changing the interface language when essentially ALL the content text is in English. All the moreso when we're talking about an instruction re: posting on a talk page. In English. - Reboot (talk) 19:29, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

If a user enters ~, the signature as set in their preferences is automatically inserted, plus timestamp. If they manually enter their /sig as template, or go for, they should add after it, as five tildes only insert the timestamp. This means that if this proposal passes, no changes should (have to) be done to the user's preferences or signature pages. Example to sign off: 15:00, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Setting it up in preferences may be easier though to save users from having to type out each time (adding onto typing out the signature transclusion each time as well). Both the five tildes and preferences method could be listed on the signature page (as well as the former being added to Help:Signature) since they have the same effect. As long as there's an identifying signature with a timestamp, that's the most important part.  16:33, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

@Time Turner Read my comment in response to Tucayo: the word "enforce" is only used to express the importance of having a timestamp; not having one would be treated like any other minor signature violation and is extremely unlikely to result in a warning being issued. Also I don't see a reason for not having one, as LTQ pointed out you can just type behind your transcluded signature, or configuring it to automatically display a timestamp in preferences isn't that hard, either. 12:01, 16 June 2016 (EDT)

Seeing as this will probably pass, the signature policy page and help page should be updated to say that having a timestamp is mandatory (as another signature rule, like I said above). In general, both of them seem poorly written and could use a revamp while we're at it; I tried to rewrite both of them here. 12:21, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
 * "mandatory". No, we will not use the word mandatory but "encouraged". -- 12:24, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Does that still mean that it will be enforced like any of the other signature rules? I don't care the wording used but it's just to make a point that the timestamp is important. 12:32, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
 * But if it's "encouraged", then how will this rule affect anything? This proposal would be likely pointless otherwise if we changed to "encouraged". We already encourage people by default to sign with ~ (e.g. "Signature and datestamp are preferable." 20:19, 18 June 2016 (EDT)

Move Mario Party 3 Duel Maps back to their old capitalization
I've been patiently waiting for the 4 weeks to pass so I can address this with an actual proposal, as it should have been done, not with a TPP.

These names in all-caps (such as GATE GUY) are merely stylizations and do not reflect the actual name of the subject. They are only written once in the manual, and as such this should not reflect how they should be capitalized. Common sense should take precedence here; in all likelihood, the manual is just writing them in all-caps so they stand out. And the game writes the regular boards in all-caps as well and yet we have them as Chilly Waters, so I don't see why we can't have the Duel Maps capitalized the same way; it's also the most consistent thing to do. Hell, if we want to strictly follow the manual, ARROWHEAD should then be renamed to. But in all seriousness, these all-caps names don't even look good and the linked TPP should be reverted.

I'll address the Mario Party 2 minigames later on.

Proposer: Deadline: June 21, 2016 23:59 GMT

Move back

 * 1) - Per proposal.
 * 2) - lmao I had no idea this happened. This is like writing all the SMRPG item and enemy names in CamelCase. Laughable.
 * 3) &mdash; The current form is useless, per Tuacyo and Glowsquid.
 * 4) There's a certain point where the letter of the law should really take a backburner to the neater solution. Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) - Per all.
 * 7) Question, will the Sonic series names in Green Hill Zone be changed as well?
 * 8) Let's move it back, shall we?
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) - Per all, also to be consistent with literally everything else on the wiki.
 * 11) Per Tucayo and Glowsquid.

Keep all-caps names

 * 1) Per all the reasons why the move was done originally.
 * 2) The all-caps names aren't just from the manual, they appear in-game multiple times. Therefore, I think they should stay how they are.

Comments
In game text also writes the Duel Maps in all caps though. Talking to the Millennium Star on the main menu, he'll give a board suggestion, followed by the character who won the most times on said map. Whenever he mentions a Duel Board map, the title is in all caps. Tails777 (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

For the record, the Prima guide for Mario Party 2 uses the same capitalization as the games (so TOAD in the Box is literally written as "TOAD in the Box"). Not that I necessarily agree with the wiki using this capitalization, but just thought I'd throw that out there. 16:53, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

@Baby Luigi: If this passes I hope this can set a precedent so that they can be changed without the need for another proposal. EDIT: Wait, I don't even know why are those capitalized, there's no reason they should be. -- 20:24, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
 * They're all-caps in the game, that's why they're like that in MarioWiki. You can change it to proper caps if you like. You should probably take in account Pac-Man in Smash 4 as well, I remember his stuff was all caps as well. 23:07, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.