Talk:Super Mario Bros. Wonder

PEGI rating
PEGI 7 rating is confirmed in this game, I saw this in Nintendo eShop page. -- PetrPro (talk) 11:56, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Blue Toad
The article says that Blue Toad is playable. While the Goomba on the key art might be wearing a mushroom cap resembling Blue Toad's, I think that's not concrete proof that he is indeed playable. -Definitely not Sascha (talk)
 * Seems good enough to me, considering the trailer confirmed at least 4 colors of Yoshi at once. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:12, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
 * I agree. -- 14:17, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
 * Just seems strange to me that they go out of their way to show all the Yoshis, but Blue Toad not once. -Definitely not Sascha (talk)
 * I'd rather avoid the speculation. A Blue Toad cap being in artwork could mean just about anything this early on, so for now we should avoid saying that he's definitely playable, or even in the game - for all we know there could just be a Goomba that wears the cap for some reason. -- 15:16, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
 * I went ahead and removed it, and it should not be readded until we know for sure what the deal is with that Goomba. 17:02, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
 * Mary's Response: Thanks for this info. I shall now respond!
 * Hmmm... I think I may have a theory here, based on this infamous "Goomba With Blue Toad's Cap" topic. And that theory is: The game could POSSIBLY have ANOTHER new powerup, where you can MORPH INTO A GOOMBA!?!?
 * Just think! in the key artwork, the goomba has Blue Toad's cap, right? AND we know that this game will have new powerups, like the Elephant Fruit (That's what I'm gonna call it, anyway). So maybe, there will be a new Goomba-Morph powerup, similar to the Goomba Mask in Super Mario 3D World! It makes sense, don't you think?
 * User:AnimeTreehouseOfficial
 * We'll just have to wait and see what happens in the game, we're not including anything based on fan theories. 19:14, June 25, 2023 (EDT)
 * I do agree we should probably wait, but seeing as the spike ball and stretchy forms appear as wonder effects, it's likely the Goomba will as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:12, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Well, it looks like Nintendo has cleared the situation up during today's game focused-Direct. Yes, Blue Toad is playable, and yes, you can turn into a Goomba during gameplay. DK Fan

The Flower Kingdom
According to the world map footage of Luigi, the first two levels are "Welcome to the Flower Kingdom!" and "Piranha Plants on Parade". I was wondering if we should start compiling a "Locations" section to describe parts of levels seen in trailer footage, known levels, and world map areas. I'm also wondering where we could mention that this game will be taking place in the Flower Kingdom. MarioComix (talk) 06:08, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Missing form
Just wanted to say that in the part of the trailer where they are falling throught the clouds you can see they are under the effects of the Super Star, I can't edit so please someone add both the Super Star and the Invincible form.

Items
Can you please add "Checkpoint Flag" to the items list? I saw some in the trailer. Can you please add "Checkpoint Flag"? Please. 73.144.173.107 20:45, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Daisy's artwork: Similar or different pose artwork?
I notice that Daisy's artwork that it seems to be familiar. It looks like Daisy's pose from London Tour's launch artwork, if we compare to Daisy's artwork in this game and the launch artwork for London Tour, the pose feels slightly different. So here is the comparison:

Should we consider Daisy's pose in Super Mario Bros. Wonder is the same pose or being the pose looks different? -- ExoRosalina (talk) 10:45, June 21, 2023 (PHT)
 * Looks like the same pose. --PM Tweester Sprite.png It's Meester Tweester! 13:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Bowser Jr. Speculation
I personally think we should refrain from speculating about "A new form of Bowser Jr.". This in no way has been confirmed by Nintendo. 73.31.13.208 20:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)SquireTurnbolt
 * Well, here is a screenshot from the Direct trailer. If you ask me, it certainly looks like Bowser Jr. MarioComix (talk) 21:55, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
 * Could be a doppelganger. Akin to Dark Bowser, which it also resembles. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Princess Daisy's appearance
As Princess Daisy is a playable character in this game, would that make this, excluding Super Mario Run, her Super Mario Bros Debut? Kangaflora (talk) 09:29, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
 * No offense, but that's basically saying "it's her playable debut if you don't count the game she was playable in previously". 10:27, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
 * We could say it's her first appearance on a home console Super Mario Bros. game, since her previous 2 appearances in the series (Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run) are both for handheld consoles (Game Boy and mobile phones respectively. 14:04, July 26, 2023 (EDT)

New voices?
Okay, I CAN'T be the only one who's noticing that not just Mario, but even the other playable characters don't really sound the same way they did in past games, right? Defefefe (talk) 17:21, July 11, 2023 (EST)
 * Could just be different direction, or because they're using entirely original voice clips instead of reused ones. Either way, it's all speculation, so not something that really belongs in the article, unless something official comes out confirming a change. Landfish7 (talk) 17:31, July 12, 2023 (EDT)
 * Check your newsfeed. It's official. Charles is stepping down. DK Fan
 * Saw the news as well, it's a shame Martinet is stepping down after so long, so I hope whoever is taking over as Mario and Luigi does a good job succeeding him Defefefe (talk) 14:19, August 21, 2023 (EST)

Bowser 100% Confirmed
Bowser's just been 100% confirmed to be the main villain of this game (though it was kinda obvious from the trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8o3C9jKIc8 Defefefe (talk) 18:15, July 29, 2023 (EST)

Character exclusive powerups
So, according to this Brazilian Twitter post, every character will have they're own unique powerup, such as Elephant Mario for example: https://twitter.com/ThaleZOliver/status/1689073032524873728 Defefefe (talk) 17:25, August 9, 2023 (EST)
 * The screenshots (unless Google Translate is wrong) never mention anything about separate power-ups, only that they can be transformed with "new power-up items". Plus, the second image only mentions Elephant Mario: "Mario turns into Elephant Mario and can use the trunk to defeat enemies!" Even if the post is true, we can't exactly use unconfirmed information from an unofficial source like Twitter. At least it does confirm Elephant Mario uses his trunk as an attack, but that was clear beforehand. 12:15, August 11, 2023 (EDT)

Charles Martinet Retiring
Not sure if this relates to the game or not, but I think I found out why Mario's voice sounds so different. Charles Martinet is officially retiring from voicing characters: https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1693624002982314108 Defefefe (talk) 10:35, August 21, 2023 (EST)

Purple Coin +0.1?
Is "Purple Coin +0.1" exclusive to "WFX"? Ffffff (talk) 22:47, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
 * Judging by the trailer, that does appear to be the case. Defefefe (talk) 07:04, August 26, 2023 (EST)

Levels
The Flower Kingdom seems to be the setting of the game, although it could also be the first world. A prominent element of terrain is a mountain range made of giant stone warp pipes, which is visible from several levels and parts of the world map. I watched the trailer and found at least 18 distinct levels, although I am not sure about some of them. 73.220.13.34 02:11, August 27, 2023 (EDT)
 * "Welcome to the Flower Kingdom!" is the first level of the game. It is grassy, with blue dirt. It features brick blocks, ? blocks, pipes (some of which shoot water), trees, and a fountain. To the left, a body of water separates the Flower Kingdom from the Mushroom Kingdom in the background. Enemies include sleeping goombas. Its wonder effect animates pipes. Power-ups include the Super Mushroom and a fruit that turns Mario into Elephant Mario. It has two wonder seeds and a difficulty of one star. (0:03,0:38,1:18,2:05,2:23)
 * "Piranha Plants on Parade" is the second level of the game. It is a jungle level featuring piranha plants and musical note blocks. There is also a background area that looks playable. It has two wonder seeds and a difficulty of one star. (0:18)
 * Very similar to the "Welcome to the Flower Kingdom!" in aesthetic, but features semisolid platforms, spherical hippos and goombrats. It is possibly the third level as seen in the first map shot. (0:22,1:04)
 * A level with cubic structures in the background and sliding rails. Enemies include spiked, leaping enemies and angry thunderclouds. In a higher area, there are cloud platforms and spiked, magenta enemies. (0:25,1:49)
 * A level featuring rainbow music blocks, clouds that rain water, koopa troopas and paratroopas. Wave and shell-shaped islands are visible in the background. An underwater area or similar level features cheep-cheeps and piped nudibranch-like creatures. (0:29,1:44)
 * An autumnal level featuring tall, mushroom-like trees, sloped semisolids, skating koopas and rainbow music blocks. The wonder effect makes Mario, the trees and a Goomba shrink and grow. (0:33,1:06)
 * A cave level where Mario turns into a spiked ball and breaks through brick blocks. Enemies include small bumblebee-esque creatures and Spinies. Buried stone slabs resembling rotating blocks appear as decorations. (1:09)
 * Three potentially different levels with the same aesthetic. A grassy level featuring sliding rails and a skating Wiggler; a level with rainbow music blocks, barrels and a chipmunk; and a level with angular trees where cloud-like ceratopsians stampede during the wonder effect. (1:15,1:30,1:40)
 * Probably the weakest connection. One is a level with balloon-like enemies and giant transparent empty blocks in the background. The other is a level with golden grass on cloudy terrain where Mario uses his hat as a parachute. They have the same cloud style. (1:33,1:51)
 * A deep, junglish level with poison, pipes, a snail and a pipe pusher. (1:35)
 * A ghost house (probably) where pipes are used to traverse background and foreground. In an outdoor area (set against the desert), an ON/OFF switch turns the lights off and on. (1:41,1:46)
 * An autumnal level with bamboo-like enemies, sleeping Goombas, mushroom platforms, orange mushrooms in the background, and pumpkins. (1:47)
 * A level in which the wonder effect makes a giant spiked ball roll towards Mario. (1:55)
 * A level in which players skydive through clouds that clear away when players pass near them. (1:58)
 * A castle in which Mario fights a Bowser Jr.-like boss that shrinks and grows periodically. Bowser's emblem is present in the ceiling. (2:00)
 * A level in which players ride a giant snowball that destroys crystal-like terrain. (2:01)
 * A level set outside Bowser's Castle, featuring Bullet Bill-like missiles. (2:03)
 * Bowser also has a flying vehicle that resembles both a Koopa Clown Car and his castle. It is unknown if this vehicle is a visitable area. (1:38)
 * Several unknown levels appear in a pink cloud world (1:39)
 * Welcome to the Flower Kingdom! is definitely eligible for an article, seeing as how we have several screenshots of it and whatnot. Piranha Plants on Parade may have to wait a while potentially, and the others will definitely have to wait until either release or more information surfaces. 11:47, August 27, 2023 (EDT)

Possibly Maker games-inspired features
I feel like there are some features that could be inspired by Super Mario Maker games that are not obvious: Does anyone feel the same? Could we add these as possibilities?
 * The Talking Flowers' dialogue feature feels like it is inspired by in-level comments.
 * The concept of Wonder Effects feel like they are inspired by night theme effects from Maker 2.


 * Idk, it feels more like a coincidence than anything. I don't suggest adding this until we know for sure if these were intentional references to the Mario Maker games. Defefefe (talk) 14:24, August 31, 2023 (EST)

Doors of Doom implies Doors
The mimic door enemy Luigi encounters implies real doors will be in the game, similar to the fake pole in Shifty Boo Mansion. I think it's plausible to assume that Doors will be a transportation option, like pipes. (edit: I'm pretty sure you can actually see a door behind Luigi in the characters section of the direct) --Kitapio: Keepin' it cool since 2000 (not even close) 16:22, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

Unnamed badge
I found an unnamed badge in the game's trailer It has a spiral with an arrow going up. Can someone look into this and post it on the main page? 2.26.40.254



--DiamondFan1332 (talk) 12:23, September 26, 2023 (EDT)

Bloomps & Bulrushes
Information about what the Bloomps and Bulrushes do, I hope this helps ^_^

(All info taken from the Gamescom 2023 video)

Bloomps

 * Bloomps slowly move and can be bounced on. They deflate the more you bounce on it, before fully deflating
 * They can also be seen getting inflated from green cannons/bullet bill launchers.
 * The pink variations move faster and therefore deflate faster

Bulrushes

 * Bulrushes try to ram into the player if they get close, and will destroy any hard blocks in their way.


 * They get knocked out for a bit when they hit a wall and will try to ram into the player again after.

-- MawioMawiolol

Similar poses on the character select screen?
I noticed that Peach, Red Yoshi, and Yellow Yoshi's poses on the character select screen might be taken from Mario Party 8, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U respectively. Wanted to see what everyone thinks! -- KinokoBlast (talk) 13:02, September 1, 2023 (EST)


 * I removed SSB4 being a reference from the page earlier, but seeing as multiple of them are similar to past artwork, I think they might be based on them after all. 13:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

Enemy - Winged Chomp?
A winged ball with golden teeth and eyes. Chomps down any blocks in it's way.

-- MawioMawiolol 3:22, September 2, 2023 (GMT+8)


 * I added them. By the way, please feel free to add what you find on the page yourself!:) User:DesaMatt (talk) 2:22, September 2, 2023 (EDT)

Names confirm.
Thanks to this promo pic, we now know the names for Bowser and Bowser's Jr's forms and for the walking Piranha Plant Variant (which are Castle Bowser, Wonder Bowser Jr., and Trottin' Piranha Plant)

Wonder effect forms
Why is Wubba Mario specifically a link, while the others aren't? Seems very, very, strange to me 17:18, September 22, 2023 (EDT)
 * I think it's because the names of the other forms haven't been officially confirmed yet? Not sure if Balloon Mario was officially confirmed though (but it's a form that's been seen before). MarioComix (talk) 00:05, September 23, 2023 (EDT)

Super Mario 3D World
I am pretty sure that characters turning into beams of light when initiating a Wonder Effect and when waiting too long to enter a Pipe in multiplayer (I cannot remember where exactly I saw this last one, but I do remember seeing it in preview footage) is a reference to Super Mario 3D World where the exact same thing happens with Mystery Boxes, Pipes, etc. in multiplayer. Just wanted to leave this here to hear others' thoughts and to remember this detail.

Edit: NVM on the Pipe part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDY0M5522IY&t=1763s&ab_channel=Flav%C3%A3o

Bulrush Article
Would the Bulrushes be eligible for their own article? I feel like they have enough info/media to get one. --MawioMawiolol (talk) 08:49, October 2, 2023 (EDT)
 * If there's enough information for a full article, then definitely. 08:50, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Possible Musical Reference
This YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrhlv-eu2M8) mentions that the level clear theme may be a reference to a motif from the New Super Mario Bros. series, but I was wondering what you all think since the similarity is pretty weak in my opinion. Jumbo Ray (talk)
 * Yeah that's not the same thing lmao 17:40, October 8, 2023 (EDT)

New Goomba mechanic
I don't know if this was noticed before, but it turns out players don't take any damage from Goombas if they are either sleeping or have their backs turned: https://twitter.com/SuperMarioOOC85/status/1710455986182295880 Defefefe (talk) 7:57, October 7, 2023 (EST)
 * The player can be damaged when a Goomba has its back turned; "Goombas won’t hurt you if you touch them while they sleep and a bit after they wake up" but are still harmful when fully awake, even with their backs turned, as shown in the video. I noted this quality of sleeping Goombas a while back in the main article, though I will add the part about their harmlessness when in the process of waking up. Jumbo Ray (talk)

Lava and poison
Do lava and poison play different roles in the game?? Both of them will allow Mario to lose a life if touched. There has to be some difference in how they work. An example is that there's a power-up that can allow Mario to walk in lava, but poison will still kill him. 99.157.99.148 12:12, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 * Firstly, by "power-up", I think you mean the Safety Bounce badge. Second, it's still unconfirmed if there is or not but there most likely isn't. We'll have to wait until the game is out (or when more info surfaces) before we speculate. 13:04, October 9, 2023 (EDT)

Forest world known to be World 5??
This page says worlds 1-3 are known but worlds 4 and 5 are not. A page on one of the forest world's levels, however, says that the forest world is world #5. Can anyone check the truth?? 99.157.99.148 13:49, October 9, 2023 (EDT)