MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has strong reasons supporting it. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 8) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 9) A user calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary, and archives the proposal.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Question of the Day
I find the "Quote of the Moment" boring. I see something different every time, and yet see repeats just as much. How about having a "Question of the Day" on the main page instead? That might make viewers more interested. I've got quite a bit of questions for asking to start you guys up:
 * "Why does Peach's castle look different every game?"
 * "Why are there always new places in the Mushroom Kingdom replacing the old areas in each game?"
 * "Why does Bowser always kidnap Peach?"
 * "Why does Mario live in a small cottage instead of his castle?"
 * "What makes Wario so greedy?"
 * "What is the point to having Waluigi around?"
 * "When will Daisy be part in another adventure game?"
 * "What makes Bowser King of the Koopas?"
 * "Just because places are named after characters, does that mean that those particular characters own them? (examples: does Mario own Mario Circut, or does Luigi own Luigi's Engine Room?)
 * "Why are there so many mushrooms in places where they are not famous for mushrooms?" (examples: Flipside, Rougeport, Beanbean, etc;)
 * "Why was Donkey Kong taken out of the Mario Party sereis as a playable character?"
 * "Why do enemies have different names in some games?"
 * "How are Goombas able to hold things when they have no arms?"
 * "Why is Peach the "chosen one" for the game's plot (and therefore is kiddnapped)?"
 * "Why do Dry Bones that stand up wear gloves when their living counterparts do not?"
 * "When characters get flattened, why do they get TOTALLY flattened (as paper)? They are not made of putty!"
 * "What makes objects like platforms and blocks float in the air?"
 * "Why are there so many blocks?"
 * "Why are there items in one game have the same effect as other items in another game? (examples: Fright Jar-Fright Mask, Repel Jel-Boo's Sheet)"
 * "Do those spiked shells on Bowser, the Koopalings, or Koopa Kid mean ANYTHING?"
 * "Why does Luigi not live in his mansion?"
 * "Why did Prof. E. Gadd invent the Hydrogush to help Mario and Luigi when he could have just use F.L.U.D.D.?"
 * "Where are all the humans?"
 * "What would life have been like if Kamek succeeded in disposing the Mario Bros.?"
 * "If characters in the video game world are playing video games of past plots, would they be considered true stories?"
 * "What becomes of enemies that have been turned into eggs by Yoshi, then used?"

These are just a few that I was able to think up, but others may participate as well with their own questions. These are not questions of how much people know about the Marioverse games, just food for thought (so the title could be called "Questionable Question") One question a day, and these questions (from above) alone will last the feature 26 days. Each one can be put into the archives after the day is done, if wanted. So, what do you think? (please do not put the questions up on the main page if this proposal is to be put on the latest proposal section of the main page. It'll spoil everything.)

19:52, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Yay

 * 1) I think it's a good idea and would be kind of fun.
 * 2) --&#91;&#91;User:Nasakid&#124;Zach121]] 22:25, 13 October 2007 (EDT) Agreed with LB And YAYZ

Nah

 * 1) That kind of thing belongs in The 'Shroom. 22:30, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) -Quote of the Moment is more fun. If not we can do quote of the day.
 * 3) - Per Plumber.
 * 4) User:Ultimatetoad - meh..... i like quote of the day better, most of those questions have no real answers...
 * 00:08, 15 October 2007 (EDT) I've never said per before, but per Plumber... brrr... I don't like how that sounds. Those are really clever questions.  I'd like to see them discussed, particularly the mansion/castle question about the Mario Bros.  Did they sell those?  What I'm trying to say is it just doesn't seem like something that would work on the main page, but it will work SOMEwhere.  I'd go for the 'Shroom.  Maybe there could be user-submitted explanations to spark discussion?
 * 1) http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Nah. Why? Well, because I have the answer to everything: It's videogames and they don't actually need answers. They have to be fun thats all.
 * 2) You ccan just look up this stuff

Comments

 * 1) I think we should also have a random trivia fact that picks a random fact instead of the did you know box thats already on the front page. --&#91;&#91;User:Nasakid&#124;Zach121]] 12:38, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Now, THAT is a good idea!

Glowsquid
 * Oooh, ho, ho, ho! Me gusta mucho. (I like it, for those of you who just know English)  You feel like creating a proposal?  00:09, 15 October 2007 (EDT)


 * 1) Why not both?

Removals
No current proposals.

Deleting stubs
It seems we have a rule that any new Stub articles are to be deleted. However I think that instead the rewrite template should be placed on the article, and if it isn't rewritten in a certain amount of time, it will be deleted, as simply deleting new Stub articles may discourage some newer users, also having SOME info should be better then having NONE, right?
 * Proposer: Uniju :D
 * Deadline: 20:00, Oct. 15

Support

 * 1) I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.
 * 2) Glowsquid Stub may eb created because the editor don't have much time or there isn't much to say to begin with, I saw perfectly sized and well written articles deleted because of that retarded rule, I still say that one-liner (X is a character in a game, Pirate Goomba is a Pirate Goomba.) should be deleted, thought.
 * 3) Walkazo - Per Uniju and most of what Glowsquid said.
 * 4) Some info is better than none.
 * 5) Deleting stubs should not be brought up because it makes it unfair to other people who can't find information and need more time to do this. Also people can't think of anything to do and my conclusion is in one word which some people would agree to me, time, it is not enough and therefore stubs should not be deleted because of this. This is per to Glowsquid. "Some info is better than none." Peachycakes 3.14 is quite correct. Info is valuable and should not be judged on how little it is. If there is some information, as long as it is worthy information, as long as it is true, it is information and should not be deleted. Therefore, stubs should not be deleted because of the reasons above.
 * 6) Caith_Sith - Per Peachycakes
 * 7) -Per Uniju. We can expand on it anyway. What is maintenance for?
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Snack 12:37, 15 October 2007 (EDT) Per Uniju... Dang, I was going to say something wlse, but I forgot what D: Oh wait, I remembered! I was going to say that if we are going to delete/merge into other articles new stub pages, why not do the same for older stub pages? Would make a lot of sense...

Oppose

 * 1) Stub articles should not be made, full stop. We need a lot of information on the subject, not one or two sentences.
 * 2) You can always find at least five things to say about something, what game it is, what it looks like, etc.
 * 3) Per Plumber
 * 4) Wario Land 3 is labled as an stub, should it get delelted?
 * 5) Per all

Comments
DP, what if its something small that doesn't have a lot of info to put? Should we make some kind of list, "Articles that aren't big enough to be articles"?
 * I am highly against all Stub articles, articles that don't have much information should NOT get their own articles. Unless it is from an unreleased game.
 * Having SOME info is much better then having NONE. Without these articles our encyclopedia is incomplete, who cares if there isn't much info, it still exists, and deserves an encyclopedia entry.
 * I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the Wiki, I'm just saying they should NOT get their own article. Articles that have very little information to offer should not be made into an article, but rather be merged into something that is very closely related.
 * Say its a Mini-Game article, all other mini-games get articles, so why not? Should we have some big list "All mini-game articles that where too small", "All item articles that where too small"? Thats not what encyclopedias should do, we should simply have an entry for everything, no matter how little info there is.
 * The Mini-Game articles are of decent size. And, remember, we said to delete NEW Stubs, not the Stubs already made! Also, those list names are pathetic.
 * They may be pathetic, but their what we would wind up needing. "NEW Stubs" we should be able to make them, as many Mini-Games or Micro-Games would wind up having stub articles. We are an encyclopedia, and should have an entry for everything, no matter how little info there is.


 * However, this also encourages laziness. People can just increase the number of articles they make without putting any actual content in.  And then other users are less likely to put that information in, as the article is already created.  The problem is not that articles don't have enough information, it's that users are too lazy too research the subject in question, thus producing tiny, informationless articles.  Anyone can say a mini-game is from a certain game.  But should that article be allowed, when someone later might actually write everything about the subject?  -- Son of Suns


 * Like I said, IF the article doesn't contain enough information, then a rewrite template should be placed on it, not a deletion tag.


 * That doesn't solve the problem. Users are more likely to create a new article than expand an old one.  So it may be better to allow someone to create an already expanded new article than create one with no information that no one will expand in the future. -- Son of Suns


 * We are a wiki, there shouldn't be such thing as an article no one will expand, theres a lot more editing then creating new articles going on, or will your idea change that eventually?

I'm just pointing out what I have observed after over a year at this wiki. For example, a lot of Super Paper Mario article stubs are still stubs. No one has expanded them. And I do know a lot of users feel special when they create an article. It becomes like a child. You made that before anyone else could! All this shouldn't be the case on the wiki. It's sad that is how people act - any article should be expanded because of an expand tag. But I think a lot of users are attracted to the prospect of creating an article without actually putting the effort into expanding it. Therefore, by deleting new stubs, users will be forced to actually put effort into creating a new article and find a new appreciation for the research needed to create a new article, not the opiate of simply creating a new article. -- Son of Suns


 * Or it could discourage a newer user from creating new articles, this idea can, and often WILL back fire.


 * I think that's the point. Discourage bad new articles.  If new users know they cannot create high quality articles, they can work on other things, not the creation of articles.  That's not a bad thing.  Discouraging users from doing things they are not ready for is not wrong, but forces them in the long run to improve the quality of their edits or work in other spheres.  -- Son of Suns
 * SoS has a very good point. If we do NOT delete New Stub articles, it WILL promote laziness, and encourage others to make incredibly crummy articles. If we delete the New stub articles, then Users will know they CANNOT make crummy articles, and thus, will work hard to make a GOOD article with a lot of information. Uniju, is it also possible that you, and all the people who voted to keep New Stub articles, are also lazy and don't want to make good quality articles?

For me, the problem is not the concept of delleting the stub itself, but rather the "standart" for a stub size. For example, Do-Drop describe the appearance of the creature, it's behavior and where it's found, and yet, it's tagged as a stub. I saw quite a few good article delleted because they were shorter than the average size. However, I agree that one-liner like "Pirate Goomba is a pirate Goomba" or "Elder is a character in Super Mario Rpg: Legend of the Sevens Stars" should be delleted. Glowsquid
 * I agree that Stub Articles shouldn't be deleted just because they don't have as much information pertaining to their subject matter as most articles. As many other users have said before, some info's better than none. However, I don't feel simple one-liners should be deleted. The "Pirate Goomba" artcile can easily be expanded to include what games the character was found in, a picture and/or a description of a Pirate Goomba, etc. Many people oppose letting these one-liners be created because it will supposedly stop other users creating bigger articles, but I doubt this is the case for all users. I.e. before I joined up it'd always drive me crazy to come across stub articles on stuff I knew about and could expand upon. However, when I discovered there was no article on another subject I knew, it didn't get me as riled up: I just figured all the info was part of already-existing articles and didn't warrant getting its own article, and left it at that (though I know better now). I don't know if anyone else shares my (old) way of thinking, but I just thought I'd put it out there. - Walkazo
 * ...Like Glowsquid said, everyone is thinking of stubs as "One-liners" when almost all stubs have a lot more info then that, if an article does not state what game its from, it means that the user who made it most likely never played the game, and only made the article because he/she was browsing the "Wanted Articles List", and say it on there, which almost no one will do.

Just wondering, why do we delete new stubs and not old ones? There's no real difference.
 * The difference is between stubs that have about a paragraph of information as compared to a single sentence. Usually, stub articles start out as sentence long articles and because of the "new" stub articles are often the shortest.  Uniju, would this proposal delete articles like those on the "Game & Watch" series?  If so, I'm against it.  If not, I'm for it.  19:04, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Mario Info
It seems we have a rule that we cannot have Non-Mario info on pages for characters/places/items from other series', like Super Sonic or Zelda. However, we should be able to give at least a short back story of what happened in other games, doing so would make a lot of the articles make a lot more sense to viewers who are not fans of that series. I propose that we should be able to do this, AND include some images from previous Non-Mario games where the Place/Item/Character appeared(This may include some articles for things that would not get an article because they are from another series, even if they are shown/implied in a Mario game).
 * Proposer: Uniju :D
 * Deadline: 20:00, Nov. 1

Support

 * 1) I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.

Oppose

 * 1) Were not allowed at first, so I agree with the old rule
 * 2) We already provide a brief backstory on the character. VERY brief summaries are allowed, and have already been used. Also, we should only provide Images from Mario-based games (The Cameos articles excluded).
 * 3)  Per DP
 * 4) Son of Suns - We should only provide info that appears in Mario games. We don't want this becoming a general Nintendo/video game wiki.  Links should be provided to Wikipedia and other video game wikis so users can find more info about a non-Mario subject.
 * 5) Non-Mario related character articles should only list information that is relevant to said character being included in the Mario Wiki. Other information, such as a brief rundown of Zelda's history, would be out of place. Please see further comments below.
 * 6) - For Smash Bros. characters, the trophies of them and trophies of other elements of their series should provide enough story to put together.

Comments
Mr. Guy, you don't agree because an existing rule says otherwise? Thats the reason this is a proposal, and I don't think thats a valid reason. -_-'
 * And DP: Like I said in the proposal, most people who are NOT fans of that series will need to haunt down info from other places to understand any of it. So we should be able to show more info than we do, and theres nothing about Sonic Adventure on the Sonic article, or Ocarina of Time on the Zelda article, its against the rules to add that info.

I see Sonic as an exception to the rule. Sonic and Mario have a non-game rivalry that started way back in 1992. That might be something to place an article about. -- Chris 04:10, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

In theory this proposal sounds like a good idea. But as everyonme else has said, this is Super Mario Wiki. We don't need to know what happened in Ocarina of Time to understand Zelda and Links' role in the Marioverse. And as Cobald said, for Super Smash. Bros. characters the trophies are enough to understand some stuff about thier personalities and some aspects of their personal history (Link is brave, Link saves Zelda a lot, etc.). If people want to find out more, the Internet's a big place, and it's not our job to tell people about Zelda or Earthbound or whatever, just Mario. - Walkazo
 * A line could be added at the end of a non-Mario characters article linking to Wikipedia or whatever series specific wiki is available. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 13:38, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I see where you're coming from, Uniju. We should provide information to an extent.  Making a page as dedicated as Mario for example would be going overboard, obviously.  I think we're pretty good as it is now. :3  We should link to other Wikis, though.  How about one link to Wikipedia and one link to a specialty Wiki using the same format as Uncyclopedia?  Here's a couple of good Wikis:

00:21, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Zelda Wiki from Wikia
 * Animal Crossing from Wikia <--yes, Uniju, I am being biased! You gotta admit that the two of us can carry that Wiki, though.  :D
 * Bulbapedia... whatever their URL is.
 * Might I add, there is also a Nintendo Wiki.

Split
They are two seperate enemies and thus desrve seperate articles.

Keep the same

 * 1) Dimenzio They are the same so let's merge the informations. But which name shall we take and which name shall we redirect?

Comments
Whoever proposed this really needs to include some information and proper formatting. There wasn't even a "Comment" section for crying out loud! - Walkazo

To late Dimenzio cause I heard that Barecue Guy is more profesional and less conjectural Also this proposal doesn't make much sense...

LugiBros2: Uhhh... Actually, both article are about the same subject, but with a different name. The problem is we dunno which name we should use. Glowsquid

Okay, so you say who Barbecue guy is, but what's the difference between him and Fire Guy? Who is Fire Guy even? 19:15, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

Ashley 'n' Red
The page Ashley and Red deal about these two WarioWare character, however I think the page should be split. Unlike say, Macho Grubba who is simply Grubba with a new alias and powers, Ashley and Red are two completly different characters. I say that the page should be split in two, one for Ashley, and one for Red (Demon).

Proposer Glowsquid Deadline Oct 19 21:00 EDT

Split

 * 1) Glowsquid - I am the proposer and my reasosn are given above.
 * 2) Son of Suns - Surely you can guess. Anything officially named deserves an article in my book.
 * 3) Walkazo - Yep. Seperate characters, seperate articles. And while we're at it, Dribble and Spitz and Kat and Ana should be split up too.
 * 4) I don't play WarioWare, so I don't know much about those two, but still, I say we should split them into their own articles. Also, Dribble and Spitz and Kat and Ana should be split as well, as Walkazo said.
 * 00:47, 15 October 2007 (EDT) I was just thinking this. Kat and Ana have separate articles, too.  Oh, and these two are so much more different than any of the "character pairs" from the Mario & Luigi series.  They have distinct personalities and have more than cameo appearances.

Oppose

 * 1) These kinds of minor characters who are rarely seen without the other look better together. Gramma Red and Gramma Green, and the Millennium Star are examples of such. 22:29, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Comments
Plumber, looking at your examples, I noticed that they've only appeared in one game. I think they've been left combined because of their significance to the series. Take the Grandmas Bros. for example. Their personalities are nearly identical and they've only appeared in one game. Because of how little you can write about them separately (ie they have different voices), you can justify the combination. The thing with Ashley and Red is that they have completly separate personalities and actions during the multiple games they have appeared in. Still, if they had similar personalities I would say that, by all means, we could combine them. Good point. 01:05, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Add Fan Flash Series
I've seen on Wikipedia an Super Mario Bros. Z article. Now it's deleted, but on another language (French for example), that article is still there. I think popular fan flash series, such as Super Mario Bros. Z shall be added. But what do YOU think? Shall we add them or not?

Proposer: Deadline: Sunday, October 21, 15:00 (EDT)

ADD THEM!!!!

 * 1) Yes it's a popular cartoon and It has to do with Mario, so I don't see why not. User:Gowser
 * 2) Yes add them! I remember in one of the episodes credits it said that they got permission by Nintendo and Sega.-Mcoolister
 * 3) It would be nice to add an article based on a popular web show. But sadly, as I can tell from the amount of posts below, I can say, no. Sorry SMBZ lovers. =( Superjustin 18:48, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Don't add them...

 * 1) Give it a little while longer, and that article will be deleted on the French site as well. We are an encyclopedia based on REAL Mario content, not Mario content that fans of the series have made.
 * 2) Supertroopa As Pokemon DP just mentioned this is supposed to be a site full of the content of the real Mario series of games created by Nintendo and it wouldn't work out with the articles full of the real content and the content by fans.
 * 3) There's going to be a Wiki for it. Join that even though it is not out yet it will be soon. :P
 * 4) Son of Suns - It's unofficial information, and not needed. Plus, I think the 'Shroom has a section devoted to unofficial Mario flash media.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6)  Per All
 * 7) http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif This wiki is about Mario games, comics, movies and official stuff. Unofficial stuff is a no.
 * 8) Snack 12:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT) No way. Just because it is popular and relativly well known, doesn't mean it belongs here. Put it on Fantendo or something.
 * 9) Walkazo and PP - Per all. Besides, there have been articles on fan movies in the past (i.e. Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom) and they all got deleted. Also, some stuff in the Flash movies might be a bit mature for the Wiki (RotMK had blood and gore, for example).
 * 10) huntercrunch Per SoS. This was proposed i assume only because you are a fan yourself. If it isn't official information, then it has no place here on the wiki.

Comments about this one
Arend, you should vote yourself.


 * Mcoolister: I think they were joking. I mean, did we get permission from Nintendo to make this site...and did we really need permission? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif


 * Nintendo and Sega own the copyrights to those characters and ideas. The fan videos were providing attribution to prevent copyright infringement.  They are not official sources.  We do the same thing here with our general disclaimer. -- Son of Suns


 * Oh thanks SoS for clearing that up. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif

Huntercrusher, I'm sure you know that people usually write about one topic over another because of personal preference. Just because a certain idea started as a result of preference should not be grounds for bashing it. I'm kind of on the fence about this... I'm not sure my vote would matter either way, though. 19:07, 15 October 2007 (EDT)