Talk:King Boo

Voice
Hey, in the triva section it mentions something about king boo's voice. Why can't that be in the description? I just wanted to say that here than make a edit that might be changed back anyway. User:Mechayoshi

Robot
I beleive that King Boo simply got Bowser or someone else to make a bowser suit for him just to confuse us. --PeteyPiranhaLover 15:54, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Dancing on the line... H K

Dancing on the line. . . ? Huh?

Anyway, some articles on the Wiki say that it's a bot, others say Bowser really died. Shouldn't we come up with one theory and put it on every article? Waluigi Freak 99 18:01, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

I always thought that the Bowser in this game was a robot because A)There's no blood, B)It's distinctly robotic-looking, and most importantly, C)Madame Clairvoya says Bowser was DEFEATED, not killed. Monty Mole 18:06, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

True, there's no blood, but many Mario characters have died without blood. I do think it's a robot. Waluigi Freak 99 18:31, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

The most logical theory is that King Boo is using Bowser himself. First, like Waluigi Freak said, just because there is no blood during the battle, doesn't mean it's a robot. There has never been blood in a Mario game, despite the fact that Mario himself has been stabbed multiple times. In the game, Luigi even could get smashed by a Trapdoor, but instead of having his internal organs crushed with blood spewing everywhere, Luigi is flattened in a cartoon-like fashion. This means that Bowser could be a real body even without blood. Secondly, if Bowser really was a robot, it would be the most life-like robot in a Mario game. All the other Mecha Bowsers have been clearly mechanical. This Bowser seems alive and moves in a fluid motion. If anything, it could be a magical apparition, but certainly not a mechanical robot. However, Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser was soundly defeated at the hands of Mario. Later, when she sees Bowser in a vision, she freaks out and ponders how King Boo could have revived Bowser. This means, at the very least, that Bowser did die before the events of Luigi's Mansion, otherwise, he wouldn't need to be revived (and Madame Clairvoya wouldn't freak out at his return; Bowser returns everytime, but has never returned from the dead prior to this game). This also implies, but does not prove, that the Bowser body in the game is a revived Bowser. This is the best answer from the game itself. However, we do have another mystery at hand. After Luigi captures King Boo and returns him the Portraitficationizer (or whatever it's called), not only do we see the spirit of King Boo, we also see the spirit of Bowser right next to him. This indicates that a spirit form of Bowser may have aided King Boo, and was captured when King Boo was. -- Son of Suns

The Hard Truth
I've finally asked Nintendo(NOA) about this controversial topic. First you have to narrow the facts down. Nintendo claims that it was in fact a suit. Second the Mario Rpg Series, Sport Series, Donkey Kong Series and Mario Party Series(including Mario is Missing) does not tie into the plot in any way.These games were made from foreign developing companies.So are the Shows, Movie, and comics(Nintendo Power is also considered a foreign company) Only the Mario Platformers, Mario Sidescrollers, Mario Kart Series,Yoshi Series, and Luigi's Mansion are pure Nintendo products. They wouldn't tell me any more. Nintendo said use your imagination and think because there is definately a straight plot.


 * They said "use your imagination" for a good reason, you know. BooDestroyer 22:27, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Sigh . ..
Actually, there has been blood. In Super Mario Bros. 2, when Wart died, there was red liquid forming around his eyes in the background. Just felt like pointing that out.

Anyway, we know that Bowser died. But we know that King Boo used a robotic suit. It's possible that King Boo actually IS Bowser. But of course, that's unlikely, because both Bowser and King Boo were both in Super Mario Sunshine, and were clearly separate characters. So that theory's out the window.

While we try to figure out exactly what happened, let's change every article and say that it is unclear what happened. This article says Bowser died, the Bowser article says it was a suit, and I'm sure there's some more in this Wiki that say something else. Waluigi Freak 99 18:06, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, it could be that Bowser died in NSMB and was revived by Bowser Jr, but was still weak, so Bowser Jr made a Bowser suit for King Boo to use. --User:Superchao

I think that NSMB happened after Luigi's Mansion. If Bowser ever died, it was in Paper Mario. What I believe is that King Boo wanted to use Bowser's body, but Bowser's spirit wouldn't let him, so King Boo used a Bowser suit. Apparently, after King Boo was defeated by Luigi, Bowser and King Boo formed a truce and King Boo revived Bowser. King Boo then went on to serve as one of Bowser's minions.

That's what I think, anyway.

Waluigi Freak 99 18:56, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, Bowser lived after Paper Mario. It could be that Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles, and meant that Bowser had somehow returned after beating beaten, and that's where the suit came from.--User:Superchao

Okay. . . perhaps Bowser died in between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion. I don't thinK Madame Clarovoyia was speaking in riddles.

By the way, Superchao, you should start signing your comments. I tire of having to do it for you. Waluigi Freak 99 19:01, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry. Plus, Bowser probably survived, and Clarovoyia was talking about his recovery, or she didn't know it was a suit. Superchao 19:03, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Maybe Madame Clairvoya was just mistaken about the "revive" comment? That would mean it really is a suit.Monty Mole 19:20, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

So what we've got is: Bowser was defeated in Paper Mario. Madame Clarovoyia thought he was dead, but he lived. Bowser went to Luigi's Mansion for some reason, probably because Mario went there, and most likely witnessed King Boo turn Mario into a painting. King Boo saw Bowser and constructed a robotic version of Bowser. Madame Clarovoyia sees the robot Bowser and thinks that Bowser has been revived.

That pretty much sums up what we've decided on so far. It seems like the most likely explanation. Waluigi Freak 99 19:31, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Still, we'll never know for 100% sure. Monty Mole 19:33, 29 August 2006 (EDT)


 * You can't just assume Madame Clairvoya was mistaken. She is the best source we have. Bowser died sometime between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion, according to the ghost psychic. Later, Bowser appeared in a spirit form at the end of the game, along with King Boo. As indicated by both the game and the Player's Guide, the Bowser battle body could very well be Bowser, but is at the very least a very convincing disguise. There is no evidence to suggest that King Boo and Bowser met at Luigi's Mansion then King Boo made a robotic suit. Like I said before, the suit is probably not robotic, but magical (if it's not Bowser's actual body).


 * To recap: Bowser did die between Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion at the hands of Mario. Bowser's spirit appears at the end of Luigi's Mansion with King Boo, and is trapped inside a painting with him. The battle body may be Bowser's actual body, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise.


 * We should put that info in the King Boo and Bowser articles for that's all that we know for sure. -- Son of Suns


 * We can't, because it's just a theory. How do we know Bowser died or if PM is right before LM?

Here are the facts:

1)According to Madame Clairvoya, Bowser died before the events of Luigi's Mansion, as he wouldn't need to be revived if he was not dead. 2)Bowser's spirit appears at the end of the game along side King Boo, and both are trapped in the painting. 3)Based on Madame Clairvoya's statements, it can be inferred that the Bowser battle body is Bowser himself, but at the very least it is a very convincing Bowser disguise (we don't know if it is a robot; disguise is the best word to use because it encompasses a broad range of objects). -- Son of Suns

It is possible that the Madame meant how he could have been recovering. It may not be Bowser's spirit, but whatever magic was powering the suit. Maybe Bowser used a bit of his own spirit. The suit is revealed to be a suit, because when the head is removed, it has a robotic interior. At least say it is only a theory.


 * I don't think Madame Clairvoya would express shock if Bowser recovered from injuries (he does so after every game and keeps coming back). However, coming back from death is quite a shock. Also, why would King Boo need to revive Bowser if he is simply recovering from injuries. Madame Clairvoya says that Bowser has been "soundly defeated", meaning he would never come back (by any natural means). It would make sense that the Bowser spirit is a spirit, as the machine is designed to turn ghosts into paintings (and it would support Clairvoya's claims that Bowser is dead). And I don't remeber the suit having a robotic interior; in fact, I think all you can see is black. -- Son of Suns


 * Well, how are we to know? Maybe Bowser was still alive, but so badly injured, he needed help, so King Boo controled his body while Bowser recoved, and that is why he was caught and later, when he was stronger, he broke free of the painting and took back his body. Superchao 16:30, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Let's try including this information in the articles:

1) Bowser was "soundly defeated" by Mario some time before the events of Luigi's Mansion and may have been "revived" by King Boo (as stated by Madame Clairvoya). 2) The Bowser fought at the end of the game may be the actual Bowser, but it is at the very least a very convincing Bowser disguise (as stated by the official Player's Guide). 3) A transparent essence that resembles a spirit form of Bowser appears at the end of the game, and is trapped inside the painting with King Boo.

Does that work, given what we know to be true? -- Son of Suns
 * Using the sources, that sounds good. Do it, as this is becoming a lengthy conversation. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 21:34, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Articles Changed
I've changed both the King Boo and Bowser articles to display the information we've agreed on in this article. I'm actually now leaning towards the possibility that King Boo possessed Bowser's corpse, and that Bowser was revived before Super Mario Sunshine (probably by Bowser Jr.). Waluigi Freak 99 14:04, 2 September 2006 (EDT)


 * I changed your edits as well. I replaced "robot" with "disguise". We don't know if it's a robot or not. -- Son of Suns


 * Okay, because it could either be a dead Bowser who was revived, a Bowser who was weak enough for King Boo to possess, or a disguise infused with a tiny bit of Bowser's spirit. Superchao 15:12, 2 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Thanks, Son of Suns. Didn't catch that.Waluigi Freak 99 13:18, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

I would just like to point out that this Bowser disguise is not the first. There were multiple Bowser disguises in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. Goombas, Hammer Bros., and even Bloobers wore these disguises, and would be exposed if these decoys were destroyed with fireballs. -- Son of Suns

I don't think that King Boo disguised a living Bowser; if he did, Bowser surely died when Luigi decapitated him, and we didn't hear Bowser scream or even gasp a last breath after that. He was either dead or not there.

Guess we'll never know. . . Waluigi Freak 99 14:41, 9 September 2006 (EDT)

Actually there was blood. Its hard to notice amoung the explosion though. Nintendo probaly blended it in to keep an E rating. I personally think King Boo in this game hates BOwser. I think the one in this and sunshine are different Boos. The one in sunshine is really playful and boo like. The one in mansion seems serious all the time and Grodus like.


 * Hmm... I'll have to watch for that. It isn't too far-fetched to have a bleeding final boss in a Mario game... Let's think Wart... --YellowYoshi398 22:36, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Fan art
Why does King Boo's new picture look like fan art? whoever uploaded that picture should get rid of it!PeteyPiranhaLover 19:26, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

That picture is from Luigi's Mansion not fan art. Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions&middot; ) Paper Jorge was here at... 19:47, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
 * If you played the game, PPL, that is the gold ghost portrait obtained for defeating King Boo/Bowser Suit without being damaged. It is meant to look like it was made out of pastel. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 20:16, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
 * NOT a fan art. Mada Mada Dane

King/Boss
I'm not really sure about the American versions of the game, but in the Japanese versions of the games, in Luigi's Mansion the boo is known as "King Boo", where as in SMS, he(or it's) Boss boo. Can someone verify that in the American versions, they are, in fact the same character? (Besides, the one in L's Mansion has a polygonal crown, unlike all of the other ones, wearing a crown similiar to Peach's.) Super Mario 256 20:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)


 * In Super Mario Sunshine, the episode King Boo appears in is named "King Boo Down Below". -- Son of Suns

Well,what I think is there are multiple King Boos,in Luigi's Mansion,King Boo looked like a big boo with a crown and oversized tounge,in his next appearence,he had an even bigger tounge and had blue eyes,but this doesn't explain the Bowser suit.


 * Characters change appearance all the time. That does not mean they are not the same character. -- Son of Suns

Very true. I think they're all the same. User:King Boo 20:14, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

What the first user meant is that the Japanese names are different. In Luigi's Mansion, it was indeed King Teresa, but Super Mario Sunshine's version was called Boss Teresa. However, when it got translated, either someone was lazy or they were confused, so they mistranslated and slapped on the name "King Boo" on the latter. It's actually another character alltogether. LinkTheLefty 22:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Picture

 * Shouldn't we get a recent picture of him that shows his current appearence? Like from Mario Party 8...Darth waluigi 21:13, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

...King Boo was in Luigi's Mansion first.
November 21, 2004, DS's release, was much after May 3, 2002, 64 DS's update. If you are referring to the giant Boo in 64, he did not wear a crown, and his laugh was different than King Boo's. He was simply referred to as "Big Boo".

Is there any proof that he's in with the Koopa Troop?
Like with Petey Piranha, there's no solid proof that he's working for Bowser. Going after Mario because he's a threat to the Boo species doesn't mean that he's Bowser's partner in any way. Like Petey Piranha, he can simply be angry towards them (like Petey Piranha attacking because he interrupted his sleep) and want to fight them.

King Boo Dilemma

 * Something has been bugging me regarding King Boo. As we have all known, there have been three different forms of King Boo so far, but I don't think they're all the exact same character.  However, I do think that each King Boo is the ancestor of the other. For example, Super Mario Sunshine's King Boo would be the ancestor of the King Boo from Luigi's Mansion, while today's King Boo would be the ancestor of the past two King Boos. Does anyone else seem to question this situation?  16:44, 2 February 2009 (EST)


 * I actually think each Mario is the son of the Mario from the previous game. But that's speculation.  There's no evidence to suggest there are multiple King Boos, so saying they are all different would be speculation as well. --


 * I've also been wondering that ever since I first encountered Sunshine's "King Boo". The two boos don't even look anything alike, aside from being boos! First look at the cool, ruby-crowned King Boo from Mansion, then look at the ugly, humongous-tounged "King Boo" from Sunshine. I say it's more likely that they are different characters than the same. Lord Xavius 13:08, 11 February 2009 (EST)

I think that that the two King Boos are the same person because the King Boo in Luigi's Mansion says something like, "This is for all the trouble you caused me in the past" So maybe Super Mario Sunshine happened before Luigi's Mansion and the peppers were so hot on King Boo's tongue that it decomposed his tongue and he probably found a new crown and put in colored contacts. P.S. I strongly doubt that each Mario is the son of the Mario in the previous game, Son of Sons. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

Um... Doubtful. There's no logic to show Super Mario Sunshine taking place before Luigi's Mansion (look at the quote "I wish someone would take a vacuum and suck up these ghosts... why are you looking at me like that?) I'm pretty sure the "all the trouble in the past" is explained by Super Mario 64 DS, in which, mark it- MARIO defeated King Boo. -PPF

I think it's possible that the Mansion King Boo could still be in the "Artsy Lonesome" (My nickname for E.Gadd's gallery in Mansion) and the current incarnation of King Boo could be an heir of some sort.Shadow Master 15:00, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Semi-Protection?
This is concerning the current protection of the article. The article was protected because a certain user vandalized the picture repeatedly by switching the main artwork of the article. Said user was banned, but apparently knows nothing better to do with his life than to re-register with another IP and repeat the circle.

However, after re-registering, a user loses the privilegues of a longtime user (moving and editing semi-protected articles), and has to wait for about a month to get them back. That said, wouldn't it be better to semi-protect this article? That way we could block out the malevolent user, while allowing the other users to edit the article further. - 02:25, 10 November 2009 (EST)


 * I noticed that only Sysops can modify this article too. I was hoping to add a certain template onto that article, but because of the full protection, that's not possible right now.  12:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)


 * I agree with Edo, it should be semi-protected and we could just block the vandal after...--
 * Besides, I'm sure we have enough users and administrators to combat a vandal... If worse comes to worse, and a regular users cannot undo an edit made by the person, then a patroller/sysop could just go ahead and use rollback (or a regular user edit the last good revision). Per Edofenrir. 12:52, 11 November 2009 (EST)


 * It'll soon be a full month since this article received full protection. When will the full protection be lifted?  Again, semi-protection can be considered if you feel that this article still needs to be protected from the newer Mario Wiki members.  16:48, 5 December 2009 (EST)

Split Super Mario Sunshine section to
SPLIT 5-1

In the Japanese language editions of various Mario games, there is a character called キングテレサ Kingu Teresa. There is also a Super Mario Sunshine exclusive character called ボステレサ Bosu Teresa. Both of these are localized into English as "King Boo", creating an ambiguity. Based on the precedent set at Talk:Yo'ster Isle, I'm proposing that the information pertaining to Bosu Teresa be split to a separate article at.

Proposer: Deadline: 23:59, 16 April 2010 (GMT)

Support
 * 1) Kingu Teresa stands for King Boo, while the other one stands for Boss Boo, the official name for King Boo in Super Mario Sunshine.
 * 2) - If the Japanese names are different, they are likely to be different characters. Per 2257.
 * 3) - They have different appearence,and different names in japan,the game was made in japan,so they are different characters.Per 2257.
 * 4) - Same as the Wiggler boss - the creators named the Sunshine King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character.
 * 1) - Same as the Wiggler boss - the creators named the Sunshine King Boo differently, so he is most likely intended to be a separate character.

Oppose
 * 1) Why are there always people who think there needs to be a new article just because there's a translation difference?

Comments @Commander Code-8: This isn't a translation difference, as the Japanese version is the original and not a translated version, almost all Mario games are made in Japan. And the team that developed the game (which included Mario's creator Shigeru Miyamoto as the producer who also produced the first King Boo's debut game Luigi's Mansion) named the SMS King Boo differently from the other one, implying that the two kings are intended to be different characters. --Grandy02 17:54, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
 * @Commander Code-8: The King boo in Super Mario Sunshine is supposed to be named Boss Boo, or how about let's split Goby from Cheep Cheep, and merge Blue Toad (toad Brigade) into Blue Toad (NSMBW) and Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form).

King Boo and Bowser
I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my cousin's gamecube today,and I noticed somthing,King Boo was talking with Mario saying...Okay,it was the french version so I translate it:You have cosed me troubles in the past.What past?Is this line in the USA version too?

I bet he was refering to all the boos that were defeated by mario

That just can't be right.Boos can never be killed before luigi's mansion exept in SM64.Even in SM64,they say"Ghosts can't DIE".I don't think these are "troubles".
 * Ghosts may not die, but they can still be hurt. Mario did hurt many in Super Mario 64, actually Big Boo may be King Boo. That's only pure speculation though. Still, as long as it's not confirmed then it's speculation, and speculations aren't allowed here. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

And I also think that suit wasen't a suit.If it's a suit,then how does the head move when king boo is about to be sucked?Or,did you see how the "suit" fall at the end?It's like a body or somthing!
 * The head moves because it's a poltergeist. In other words, an object that is not alive is possessed. When King Boo is sucked up (and thus defeated), the "Bowser suit" is un-possessed and thus fall, as it can't maintain its weight. In other words, it falls like a basic item (or someone that'd fall) because it IS a basic item. Koopalmier 15:05, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

A website I was on said that Sunshine happened BEFORE Mansion,despite the order in which they were released! This may be what the Ghostly Supreme ( My nickname for King Boo) may have been talking about! Shadow Master 14:50, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

In comparing to what I said above, the same website said that the peppers Mario used on the incarnation of King Boo in Sunshine turned his eyes red (possibly a Boo version of bloodshot eyes) and the water Mario used on King Boo turned his tounge blue, thus, the face of the Luigi's Mansion incarnation of King Boo! Shadow Master 13:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The "King Boo" character from Super Mario Sunshine is not the same character (that's why he's covered in a seperate article); besides having a different design, he bears a completely different name in the Japanese version and shows no other similarities either besides being a Boo with a crown. It doesn't matter what fan-made websites say, there is no official connection between the two. Just clearing this up.--vellidragon 14:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Three king boos
I know that king boo and the king boo from Mario sunshine are different but is it possible that the king boo from luigis mansion dark moon is a different one to because in lmdm he says that he escapes but he has made appereances in other games! http://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/8c/Dark_bowser_jpeg.gifshyman(talk)
 * Well, the main reason the King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is different is that he has a different Japanese name. And other things too. I don't really consider spin-offs to be part of the story of the Luigi's Mansion games. 23:28, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

I thought that the King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine was actually created by Bowser JR witht the paint brush, it explains alot, for example his appearnce, abilities and weakneses, they make no sense so really theres two king boo's. Also King Boo did escape once and as the game is set really only after the first game King Boo cold have escaped again as it ist really explained what happened to him after dark moon. - Cubeguy(talk)

No more "In Numbers" power?
Iv noticed this, in Dark Moon King Boo doesnt require the other boo's to gain power, so can we say this only happens in the first game? - Cubeguy(talk)

Update: Robot discussion
It wasnt a Bowser suit, due to recent events in dark moon, it was revealed that King Boo creates illsuisions, thus he is able to make a bowser suit himself as it is all an illusion. This, i belive, solves the matter, no robot, no dead bowser, nothing but an illusion. - Cubeguy(talk)
 * Are you inferring this information or does it say that the Bowser Suit is an illusion? 18:43, 7 April 2013 (EDT)
 * The game hasn't retconned this, so therefore, we shouldn't assume. 18:44, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Can you offer any other reasons on how the suit was made? - Cubeguy(talk)
 * I can offer a lot of reasons, if I'm creative enough, but one thing we know for sure is that it exists. 22:39, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

Yes, thats true, but as it's been recently revealed that King Boo is fully able to create illusions, including the mansion corridors during the final battle in Dark Moon, it makes sense that the bowser suit is also an illusion, which also would explain why it falls over after King Boo is sucked into the Poltergust. This brings up another guestion mind, although not as important but still, is it possible that King Boo used the painting mario was in as a Pararnormal Portal to get placed on the rooftop or would that be an illusion? - Cubeguy(talk)
 * True, King Boo may create illusions, but I wouldn't advise to draw connections between the two games unless it's firmly established. We know Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon came after Luigi's Mansion, but we don't know if King Boo's ability to create illusions is connected to his Bowser suit. And I don't know about the last sentence. My sister hasn't played to that point in the game, and again, I don't like drawing connections if they're not firmly established. 23:04, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

I have another piece of evidence that can/could support this, by the way im talking about the rooftop battle in the first game not dark moon.(Note: theres no final rooftop battle in dark moon just in case you don't know). - Cubeguy(talk)
 * Even if your basing all your information in the first game, we don't know for sure if the Bowser Suit is some concrete advanced piece of technology or an illusion.
 * 23:34, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

Update: Three King Boos
sorry for interrupting the above conversation, but i have proof that there are 2-3 king boos.

1.First appearance: Luigi's Mansion 2. first appearance; super mario sunshine if 2 only appears in sunshine then: 3. spin off king boo

how do i know that the Luigi's mansion King Boo is different... King Boo was sold at a car boot sale in his portrait form. he only reveals how he got out in dark moon. he would explain earlier (e.g. Super Mario 64ds) if he was the same guy. and he looks very different to the other appearances, so... 109.145.43.142 14:24, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
 * I don't think it's proof. It's more a hunch than solid proof that we have more than two King Boos. We do know that King Boo from Super Mario Sunshine is different, but with a bit of creativity, we can say that King Boo from Luigi's Mansion is the same as King Boo in the spinoffs. I can say that the whole time, King Boo is being an actor. In Luigi's Mansion, he's wearing costume and make-up. 23:32, 9 April 2013 (EDT)