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RE: MP9
Quite a few of the minigame modes, like Endurance Valley, or Mini-Game Coaster have articles. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that these can work better merged than as separate article, I'm just saying there are arguments for having them split, and I think this should be done following a discussion rather than just blindly merging them.

Ouch
Sorry about the temporary ban, mate. Liked you as a wiki contributor, but I hope you improve your conduct towards others after your ban expires. I'll see you on October 29. 21:51, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

Oh no
You were such a good contributor and I am now depressed because you got temporally banned. I'll see you on October 29th, 2018. 21:55, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

Uh Oh
I’m sorry about all this... I’m not exactly a high ranking member, so I’m not in on all the details, but I’ll miss seeing your name over and over as I check the recent changes! See you soon...-PianoKing03

Aw man
Dang, sorry that you got blocked. I liked to go to the List of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story quotes page to check which new quotes you had added. See you in a week! Scrooge200 (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

OH MY!!!
I see you have been blocked... See you in a week... -- 07:49, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Hi
Hey, welcome back. Hope you had a productive time while you were blocked, like I did. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:46, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
 * ^When I said that, I meant "I had a productive time when I was blocked," not sure if I made that clear. XD Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:23, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Soarin' Stu
Because Dark Horse is lazy and now this is technically some tier of "official." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Re:Yellow Switch
So sorry for not getting back to you sooner! I can't say that I'm fully back to editing yet, but I'll check on the name now. 19:26, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Oddly enough, the guide doesn't seem to mention the switch at all in the Vim Factory (although incidentally, the block at the end of the tutorial area is called the "Event Block", page 27). If it appears at another point in the game, let me know so I can check that! 19:57, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Proposals
Why... did you make separate proposals for each game mode when you could have covered it all in one proposal here? -- 19:59, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Oh, ok. -- 20:02, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

Forgot to say...
Ah! I forgot to say welcome back, since you got unblocked! Welcome back! -- 09:16, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Redirects
Per Redirects, If a mainspace article has existed for over a year and is moved for any reason, and unless a new page is created using the old title, then the old page title should remain as a redirect to the new title and protected. 10:41, 28 October 2018 (EDT)
 * You went against the rules. What is there to wait for? 10:59, 28 October 2018 (EDT)
 * The rule was put in place by administrators. 11:06, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

Some questions
Back in September, I messaged you on the forums about a vandal attack with IPs that shared a range and computer information with you, asking if you knew anything about that. You never responded to that, but the vandal looks to have returned with the recent Green Star edits (not mention attacking my talk page). Five of the IPs in the range share computer information with you, one sharing a direct IP match. Seeing as you're more active on the wiki than you are on the boards, and that you were MIA during the attacks, I'm asking this here. I'd like to know if you've edited from any shared computers, such as those being from school or work? Or if this is a sibling with access to a home computer? This is also a possibility we have to consider: Were you editing anonymously from any of the IPs? 17:27, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

Re:T-Rex trampolines
Page 47: "Capture the T-Rex inside the Dinosaur Nest (see Power Moon #12 for location) and carefully step off the far edge of the plateau onto the ledge below. Smash the fossilized rocks on this ledge to uncover a Power Moon. Use the hat trampoline to return to the upper level and grab the Power Moon with the T-Rex."

I know that there's a separate object called the Hat Trampoline, but that's the only reference to any kind of bouncing thing with the T-Rex I can find (and considering the accompanying image for the section is this, it may be relevant). 00:12, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Page 203: "Capture a Lava Bubble and swim up the path to find a lava cannon at the top, primed to launch bubble-Mario high up, right into the stew under the patrolling bird boss."
 * Page 207: "Lava cannons throughout the region can place Lava Bubbles in distant or remote landing spots while offering scenic views along the way."
 * And so on and so forth. From the look of things, "lava cannon" is used consistently. 00:01, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
 * (using the digital guide, don't have the physical guide on me atm, can get the physical pages to you later)
 * Darker Side: "Duos of moving cog-like platforms line the way up this tower. At several points along the route upward, you have to extend an Uproot’s legs to quickly land on the higher of two moving platforms. This needs to be handled while Burrbo hordes appear on motionless platforms along the way."
 * I can't find any mention of it anywhere else, and the names here are too generic for an article. 21:08, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

Yoshi's Island Spring Water
Either way, according to the page's history, it's named that in the game itself by a sign. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:37, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

RE: Lava cannon
Sorry for the late response; the lava cannon image is up, and here's the image for the trampoline. 07:57, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

RE: NSMB2 Coin Rush
Policy states levels get separate articles, so yes. They're actually named "First Course," "Second Course" and "Third Course" in-game ("COURSE 1," "COURSE 2" and "COURSE 3" are their Japanese names) so I'd use those as the titles, with the level pack as the identifiers. 07:20, 10 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Plunger
Nothing other than the generic stuff that led to it getting deleted. 22:32, 11 November 2018 (EST)

Objects and items
How I've seen it, and how it's always been organised on the wiki, is that items are mainly collectibles (except in the context of games like Smash where they're organised by what the game refers to as "items") while objects are part of the environment or things that the player can interact with but doesn't actually collect. Objects like Green Shells and Trampolines have always been categorised as such, so I don't understand what you meant in your summary. 22:29, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Mario is Missing
You don't have to edit the template each and every time I make a new page. I'd rather make one large edit at the end that includes all of the links, rather that filling up the history with a bunch of small edits. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me handle this. 22:31, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Hamma, Bamma, & Flare
Pretty sure that's the team's name in-game, as such, their official name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:53, 20 November 2018 (EST)

(By which I mean, ampersand is objectively correct.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:49, 20 November 2018 (EST)
 * I checked a handy text dump and it does indeed say "Hamma, Bamma, and Flare", so our ampersand was actually wrong. But yeah, if it were "Hammer, Bamma, & Flare", then it should be the same style as it was in the source. The move worked out, though the exact reason was maybe not as fine. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:00, 20 November 2018 (EST)
 * Well, I've been wrong before. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Featured article list
Featured list would make sense. 05:46, 26 November 2018 (EST)

RE:Mario vs. Donkey Kong ready to be featured once more?
I've been thinking about this. Unfortunately, the article is still held back by the image template in the "Enemies and obstacles" section and the more-media template in the "Media" section. I intend to upload the remaining sprites and the game's soundtrack at some point to get rid of these colored rectangles of terror. I think a table for the reception would be welcome too. Only after these additions are made, the page will be fit to be featured again!

And thank you for your invitation. -- 12:57, 30 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Stripe Pointer
If it's an unofficial title and the creator forgot the template, probably. You should ask on the talk page or someone who owns the games first. 19:19, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Boss Bass
Your comment there doesn't work, because Porcupuffer's original behavior was "swim quickly along the surface and don't jump." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:04, 5 December 2018 (EST)
 * Wow you responded at like the worst time possible, that was right as I was leaving for today's programming final. Which I crashed and burned in. Good day to you. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2018 (EST)
 * Feeling better now. Anyways, Ptooie with Stalking Piranha Plant isn't the best example either, as other, unrelated Piranha Plants can walk, and not all Ptooies can walk anyways. The Spikeball is the defining feature with them, and no Ptooies were ever found floating on the surface of water on leaves resembling those of a Jumping Piranha Plant. Additionally, the large red fish in YIDS acts exactly like the one in SMB3, with the only difference being the DS could handle larger sprites than the NES, as well as sprite rotation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2018 (EST)
 * You additionally never responded to LTL's counterargument on there. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:49, 9 December 2018 (EST)

"The move is capitalized in the manual"
That's technically true, but check again under "Shell Mario" on NTSC or PAL page 24: "Press left or right on while holding the dash button to perform a shell dash and go crashing into enemies." Then the move is referred to as "shell dashing" and "shell-dashing" in lowercase. Yes, there is one instance of "Shell Dash", but that is as a header - everything else in the manual page indicates that "Shell dash" should be the name of the article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:32, 6 December 2018 (EST)

About Switch Panel
It may technically be more recent, but guides are still lower priority than manuals, which are second only to in-game sourcing. Two manuals that came with the game should qualify it as the "most commonly used English name" over the Prima version as well, so I'm not sure about this one. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:49, 15 December 2018 (EST)


 * What LinkTheLefty said. You didn't need to bring this up with an admin, MarioWiki:Naming clearly lists instruction manuals as the higher priority source. 23:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)


 * One-off name changes of established subjects happen all the time in guides - it's precisely why, for example, Crowber (from an older Nintendo Power guide) has never been renamed to Crow or Raven (from newer Prima guides). Admittedly, I think Prima got better about it over time, but still, it's safer to err on the side of caution and stick to Nintendo's original version. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:17, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Blue Lava Bubble
Hey there! I noticed you provided a scan of the blue Lava Bubble artwork from Super Mario 3D World, does it gives it a specific name, or simply Lava Bubble? The talk page is currently deciding wether we change it to Fire Bubble (one of it internal filenames), or leave it as Lava Bubble (blue). What name does it gives it in the Prima and/or mentions? -- 11:39, 18 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Trading cards
That's fine. 18:58, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Torpedo Ted's launcher
Hey, does the New Super Mario Bros. U Prima Guide make a mention on Launch Pad and Targeting Ted Launch Pad? Or they are generically referred as Torpedo Ted launchers? Or they weren't mentionned at all, and only Torpedo Teds are mentionned? -- 11:51, 13 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Heart
A lot of those should go, but it shouldn't be deleted outright. 20:54, 15 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Bowser Jr. infobox
Alright, thanks! -- 19:12, 19 January 2019 (EST)

MarioWiki administrative categories
I see no reason why it should, either, same with the other categories inside it. 19:14, 24 January 2019 (EST)

X
Given how little information there is for Bowser's Castle X, do you think it'd be better to compile the bosses into a list? Or perhaps group them with their counterparts? Also, given this, they may not exist at all? 16:29, 25 January 2019 (EST)
 * According to this video I found, the bosses aren't actually given a name in game, when matches with the removed edit above. The cutscenes are skipped, but all they are is just Bowser growing. Not sure if there's a menu that says their names, though. 16:45, 25 January 2019 (EST)

Crazy Kong
You reversed my reversal regarding the cover of Crazy Kong. That picture is from a Commodore 64 bootleg of CK. CK was only licensed for the arcade in Japan which was terminated in January 1982 when Falcon breached the contract. Nintendo retired the CK name as it outlived its purpose which was to make up for the shortfall in Donkey Kong arcade cabinets. All legitimate ports of DK in non-arcade platforms use the DK name. The Commodore 64 bootleg was made by Interceptor Software which directly competed against Atarisoft's officially licensed DK port for the C64; both released in 1983. Another CK bootleg for the C64 was made by Supersoft also in 1983. Atari's official C64 port was far superior to both CK bootlegs which lacked quality control.--Platform (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Rob
No, a lot of people are more likely to search for R.O.B. (being a playable character in MKDS, which in itself is notable) than the minor NPC. 08:30, 26 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Dice
Done. 20:50, 6 February 2019 (EST)

Mama Luigi quotes
Quick question, which quotes are missing the Mama Luigi page? I am planning to attempt to feature that page once Dan Hennessey and Gordon Masten's pages are made, so knowing which quotes remain would be appreciated. Thanks! 12:44, 10 February 2019 (EST)
 * The only thing Bowser says when Yoshi eats his key is "wow" and he then goes on about Yoshi going on a crash diet. This is the video I used for reference. 13:01, 10 February 2019 (EST)
 * I decided to nominate Mama Luigi's page so you can vote on it if you want to. 13:50, 11 February 2019 (EST)

RE: Super Mario Maker 2
Since it's a sequel, we should include it in the same section as the first game. 17:47, 13 February 2019 (EST)

Renaming
I saw earlier that you renamed the file I had uploaded from ".ogg" to ".oga". Though at first I didn't understand the purpose of it, I now do, as I am now unable to insert those with ".ogg" in the Media section of the article about the game Donkey Kong. I would have renamed them myself, but I seem to be unable to, so I was wondering if you could rename the files just like you did earlier with the first one I uploaded. If you have the time, the files that would need to be renamed to ".oga" would be: O (talk) 18:46, 23 February 2019 (EST)
 * 25m.ogg
 * Lose a Life DK.ogg
 * Hammer Theme DK.ogg
 * 100m Theme DK.ogg

RE: CitationNeeded
Yeah, I was having second thoughts after reviewing their edits. 00:14, 28 February 2019 (EST)

Big Kyutan
Please clarify, why did you mention Spike Koopa on your vote on the Big Kyutyan proposal? It is not a comparable situation whatsoever. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:17, 28 February 2019 (EST)

RE: Nut
"Bolt Lift" is taken from a higher priority source (Nintendo Power guide), so it shouldn't be renamed at all. 22:19, 2 March 2019 (EST)

RE:Battlestation
I do not own the PRIMA guide as the book I was talking about was the SMBE which correctly calls the Dreadnought Galaxy the Dreadnought Galaxy on page 134, which is why I re-added the delete template on the Battlestation Galaxy redirect, as as far as I know Battlestation Galaxy is an unofficial name. 12:08, 4 March 2019 (EST)

RE: Fruit
"Berry" is from an instruction manual, which is considered just as significant of a primary naming source as the game itself (the game only takes priority if there's an inconsistency between it and its respective manual). I don't like the idea of ditching the "berry" title in favour of a less specific name either, since both the "berry" and "fruit" sources use generic terms ("Yoshi's tongue will dart out and eat berries" and "These fruit thrive in the warm climate here" respectively, with "fruit" being even more generic). 07:50, 5 March 2019 (EST)


 * Never mind, it's late and I didn't notice "fruit" being the recent and recurring name. My suggestion would be to do something about the current Fruit article first. 08:02, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Re:Fiery Gobblegut's name
Ack! It's a Zack attack! Turns out it's just "Gobblegut" in both the game and the guide. The Japanese Encyclopedia actually gives this Gobblegut, Fiery Dino Piranha, and a version of King Kaliente that doesn't have a separate article their own color identifier. We should probably make them uniform by either splitting the fierier King Kaliente or merging Fiery Dino Piranha with Dino Piranha and the fiery Gobblegut with Gobblegut... LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:10, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Super Bakarhythm Land
Hi. I saw you edited the Super Bakarhythm Land page and wondered if you have this course downloaded to your Wii U? I'm trying to archive all the official Super Mario Maker downloadable courses and this one was removed. --Hiccup (talk) 11:41, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Re:Colored Yoshis
Yeah, I miscalculated. I'll replace the proposal later today. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:45, 10 March 2019 (EDT)

MP8 Proposals
Wouldn't it have been easier to host one proposal covering all the tent pages on the Mario Party 8 talk page? 16:25, March 19, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Super Mario Galaxy / Super Mario Galaxy 2 fiery counterparts
The X bosses I could go either way on, but the fact is they are memories of the bosses brought to life, and as such are not the same entities as the original bosses themselves. Sorta like with Fake Bowser, Bowser's Brother, and Bowser himself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:14, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Super Mario World sprite replacement
Hey, just letting you know, I'm totally okay with replacing any GBA sprites with SMW sprites in the Super Mario World article! And, I'm planning on replacing the animated enemy gifs with static .pngs as I think multiple of them like say, around the Koopas section starts getting a bit tacky and crowded when every single sprite is animated, unless of course animation is necessary to depict an object like the Boo Buddy Block or the Kamikaze Koopa. 23:57, March 21, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Shiny Crown fragments
Unfortunately nope. 09:01, March 22, 2019 (EDT)

Shroob Castle
Preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure Stuffwell says the name in-game. "And I suppose they call it Shroob Castle!" or some such line. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:11, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Proof it's called "Shroob Castle" in-game. And it's a far more intuitive name than "Peach's Castle (Past)." You really jumped the gun on this one. 01:39, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Cease and desist. This change should not be made on a whim. Start a proposal or something if you truly think it should still be "Peach's Castle (Past)." 01:50, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * D'oh, I knew it was Toadsworth X_X Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:58, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Naming question
TPP. The matter was brought up while it was still named "Shroob Castle" and had barely received any verification, so this should have been discussed further first instead of jumping the gun. 02:33, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Bowser Jr.'s Journey missions
Hey. Just wanted to show you a little something I had created in my spare time. (Sorry if I'm nervous about posting this template on the Bowser Jr.'s Journey missions; I worry I could get a slight notification, so I get nervous every time I post something major onto the wiki. '^_^)

19:19, 26 March 2019 (EDT)

RE: Heart
The large heart in Doki Doki Panic (replaced by mushrooms in SMB2) and the item in Double Dash are just called "Heart" (ハート Hāto). The heart that appears in both DDP and SMB2 is the small heart. 20:08, March 28, 2019 (EDT)

Unofficial transparency
Last I checked, as long as transparency's done well (ie not leaving artifacts), it's fine. Pretty sure we had a 3-way discussion with Porple a while back and i was determined to be fine, if done well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:15, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

Chomp
Please read my comment I made &#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0 (talk) 10:05, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Gravity wall
The phrase "gravity field" seems to be semi-common, but I also see references to "arrow", "gravity", and "field" (even "field's gravity" at one point). If you need it, I can also check the Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide and internal files. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:47, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's a similar situation, with "gravity field" still showing up among generic mentions. Something should also probably be done about the related Gravity Arrow and Gravity Spotlight articles. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:15, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Animated GIF
This is how it appears on my devices. 00:46, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

Anime
Yeah, it should redirect to Category:Anime. 21:38, April 10, 2019 (EDT)

Platform Block and Ball and Chain
Hey! Apparently, there is a page that has an unsourced "Platform Block" name. Could you check out what is it called in the Super Mario 3D Land Prima guide. Also, on the same guide, will you check out what is the Spinner called? -- 02:41, April 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Additionally, could you check in the Super Mario 3D World Prima guide if the swim-ring and Ice Skate Goombas are treated as separate, or are always lumped with the Goomba? They both have a different Japanese name. -- 10:47, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * Regarding those Goombas, it is because they are named in the encyclopedia, except that we don't cite it. -- 11:15, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * Oh, see its talk page. The one who made the page has contributed until 2010, and has forgotten this wiki since. I at least think that Platform Block is conjectural. -- 11:19, April 19, 2019 (EDT)

renam
Yeah I apologize, my e key is currently on the fritz and isn't working a good percentage of the time. The ones I've highlighted in this message did not show up in the initial keystroke. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:50, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's a laptop. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:23, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

Disambiguation pages
Hey. Just wanted you to know that I had just made two disambiguation pages since there are two levels of the same name in different games.

https://www.mariowiki.com/Friend_or_Foe%3F_(disambiguation) https://www.mariowiki.com/Watch_Your_Step_(disambiguation)

Did I do good on making those two disambiguation pages?

15:54, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Oh... 16:24, 19 April 2019 (EDT)


 * The disambig pages should exist as the main identifier-less one, since neither takes priority. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:26, April 19, 2019 (EDT)

Adventure Pals
You can get rid of the icon in the corner by turning off annotations. 19:14, April 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * No problem. I didn't know about that for a while myself. 19:27, April 19, 2019 (EDT)

Joe & Mac
Um, that is literally the official parsing of the two as a duo. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:46, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's their official group name though. That trumps all wiki rules. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:06, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * The instruction booklet for their game of origin consistently calls them "Joe & Mac" with a single exception, from what I've seen. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:47, April 22, 2019 (EDT)

Junior Clown Car
The vocalization directly stated that, which is just as much confirmation as it would be if it was stated in text form. 19:38, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * I meant vocalization, my apologies. 06:13, April 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was who noticed this, and there currently isn't any other "angle" to look at this from. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:21, April 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Even then, the confirmation is in-game and is enough: the game directly stated vocally that it is the Junior Clown Car which is just as solid evidence if it was stated in text form. We do not need to wait for SMM2 because, as LTL stated it will be re-added when the game releases and reconfirms what we already know, and, as we already have sufficient evidence, we do not need to wait for the game to use the already official information. 17:19, April 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Firstly, the guidance is from games that are not even Mario games compared to the mainline Super Mario game Super Mario Maker. Second, while there technically is one Bowser and Bowser Jr., you can place up to three in Super Mario Maker, so I do not see how the guidance affects the information we already know. 15:19, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * On top of that, Bowser Jr.'s Journey shows that to not be entirely true, since one scene has Bowser Jr. repurposing Iggy's (mass-produced?) vehicle into a Junior Clown Car that looks exactly like the original. Besides, I've always had the impression there was only supposed to be one Koopa Clown Car as well. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:24, April 30, 2019 (EDT)

Bowser's Castle (Yoshi's Safari)
Where did you find the name? Do you have a specific source, or is it conjectural? It is neither named in-game, nor in its manual apparently. -- 13:26, April 30, 2019 (EDT)