MarioWiki:Proposals

List of talk page proposals
None at the moment.

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Abolish the No-Signature Policy
The no-signature policy is a policy that has pretty much become pointless nowadays yet it stil exists. Back when it was first established it used to be effective and one used for on various different things including this proposals and the long extinct Pipe Projects and Featured Images. Over the years the amount of pages this policy is used for has decreased massively but now as far as I’m aware this policy is only used in two areas: featured articles nominations and in both cases its useage does not match what the policy states.

In the case of featured articles nominations, there is no enforcement of it whatsoever. Here users just decide to put their regular sig in when they comment and they are not corrected or told off for doing so.

With appeals, it doesn’t even follow the guidelines the no-signature policy lists. No-signature policy recommends people to use and forces users to link their user page or talk page when writing a comment. Neither of theses are present when writing appeals.

Therefore because of the reasons I listed above I believe the best thing to do here is to abolish policy altogether. Should this proposal pass these changes will be implemented

1. The deletion of No-signature policy 2. Featured Articles and  appeals will no longer mention the no-signature policy. 3. Signatures will now officially be allowed on the comments of featured articles nominations (even though they have be used for awhile anyway) 4. A message will be written on the appeals page asking people not to sign their comments.

If anyone has any amendments they would like to make to this proposal, feel free to suggest in the comments. Proposer: Deadline: July 4, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per Proposal
 * 2) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) - I don't see a good enough reason to outright remove this. I believe the reason why it was made in the first place was so signatures do not take up too much space. You can see examples of this in older proposals from the first few years of the wiki. For proposals, feature/unfeature nominations, and appeals, I'd rather use the  template. Signatures are mainly meant for signing talk comments, but can feel like they are in the way in the case of larger signatures (like mine) if used for anything else. EDIT: Additionally, sometimes they are irrelevant, like (using an example from earlier today) Scrooge200 signed his proposal in the proposal text, which isn't necessary when we also say to list the proposer directly after the proposed changes. I realize that's probably a mistake on Scrooge's part, but you usually sign your comments on pages, so the no-signature policy exists to say that you don't need to sign your comments/votes in specific areas.
 * 2) Same as Alex95.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per Alex95.
 * 5) Per Alex95.

Comments
By the "deletion" of the policy, you mean that there should be an template at the top of the page? 10:12, June 27, 2020 (EDT)

correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure that the no-sig policy is unnecessary for proposals at least. if a sig is too big, it leads to a sigfix template. and even the largest of legal sigs wouldn't take up that much space. also, if a signature is coded in such a way that it messes up a good portion of the page it will probably be fixed rather quickly. but appeals makes sense i'm going to be staying neutral for now. 10:25, June 28, 2020 (EDT)
 * Yeah, we keep signatures within a size limit, but by "size", I meant more like unnecessary space usage. If you vote with, you don't need the signature, because your name is already there, so the signature is just irrelevant. 22:59, June 28, 2020 (EDT)

Changes
None at the moment.

Split the Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Paper Mario: Color Splash attacks
This is something that has been bugging me for a long time.

Currently, each attack in Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Paper Mario: Color Splash is merged into a giant list: Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star) and Battle Card (Paper Mario: Color Splash). There are many problems with this current arrangement.
 * They're all different. Some have different action commands, they all do different amounts of damage, have different strengths and weaknesses, different buy and sell values, different descriptions, different sprites, different animations...
 * Each attack from the first two games are split: see Hold Fast, Dizzy Shell, and Fiery Jinx.
 * Linking to  is easier than.
 * Things are special attacks that have different locations, different prices, different descriptions, designs, and animations, hints as to where each one is... A majority of them are required to beat Color Splash.
 * Some attacks, like the Hopslipper, appear in both Sticker Star and Color Splash. Thus, the Hopslipper page has links to the two attack lists. It'd be much easier and more efficient to keep them on one page.
 * The Hurlhammer is going to return in Paper Mario: The Origami King. What will that page's attack list be? I don't want to end up with an article called "Weapon (Paper Mario: The Origami King)" or "list of attacks in Paper Mario: The Origami King." It'd be flat-out incorrect to treat it as exclusive to The Origami King, too.

If this proposal is passed, the following changes will be made:
 * Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star) and Battle Card (Paper Mario: Color Splash) will still exist. We'll just give the attacks present their own pages: each The Thousand-Year Door badge has an article and List of badges in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door exists.
 * Every Sticker and Battle Card will receive their own article. If they're the same, like Blazehammer, we cover both the SS and CS info on the same page. In cases like POW Block, we'll include the information on the object's main article and not make a "POW Block (Paper Mario series)" article or anything.
 * Every Thing will get its own article.
 * Enemy Cards from Color Splash will remain as a list and not get their own articles.

Proposer: Deadline: July 4, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per nomination.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per Propsal
 * 4) I think I was the one who started this thing by asking if there was a list of where to find things. Definitely will help if this passes. (Also, if this isn't how I should post this, I apologize. I'm a super noob at things like this)
 * 5) sounds good to me, if anything I think it’s time to cover the recurring attacks in the new Paper Mario games, especially those that are going to be featured in The Origami King.
 * 6) Yeah, sure. Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) - per all
 * 9) Recurring items, so obvious yes. This has bugged me for a while, along with the SMRPG lists.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) - Per all.
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Per all.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) Per all.
 * 17) Per all.
 * 18) Per all, but also because anything differentiating Color Splash and Suck Star is something I'll support. But mostly per all.

Comments
Would attacks such as Worn-Out Jump ×3 and Worn-Out Hammer ×3 be made into their own articles, or would they just be mentioned on the Worn-Out Jump and Worn-Out Hammer pages, respectively? I am not necessarily against it either way, I am just wondering. -- 22:38, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * I was wondering about this, and I think now that we'll give them separate pages. They're still unique cards with separate museum slots, plus it'd be easier to say their buy/sell prices and locations. 23:42, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * We have separate pages for triple Mario Kart items now, so it makes sense. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:23, June 28, 2020 (EDT)

Merge Game Boy Donkey Kong enemy variations / Split Wario World enemy variations
Donkey Kong for the Game Boy and Wario World have one thing in common, it being that both games adapt an enemy's design to different environments and change its name to be more descriptive of its design, while keeping its behaviour intact. However, for each game's case, we apply a different type of coverage. The Donkey Kong enemy variations are currently split from each other, such as in the case of Aqua Man, Miira, Golem and Robo NO.1 having their own pages despite being the same concept, while Wario World enemy derivatives such as Magon, Clowns, Snowmen, Wolves etc. all share the same page. This proposal seeks to find a consistent treatment for enemies that only differ by appearance and name.

Proposer: Deadline: July 11, 2020, 15:20 GMT

Split Wario World enemy variations

 * 1) . I am in favour of this option, as there is precedent of this type of coverage with enemies such as Klomp/Neek, Sour Dodo/Cheesy Chester etc.
 * 2) They're obviously different enemies that just use the same behavior and attack patterns, it's not like the same enemies in Odyssey wearing different hats to be more thematically appropriate. Not to mention I'm concerned that leaving the Wario World enemies merged would lead down an extremely slippery slope of "different enemy + same behavior = merge".
 * 3) We've split out far similar subjects, so this makes sense. Plus, despite the minor behavioral changes, their aesthetic changes are so sporadic that it's hard to consider them the same thing (you know, unlike the case with red/green Koopa Troopas).
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per proposal, since most WW variations have official names now. I will note, however, that GBDK's Metroid-esque enemy reskins do sometimes have subtle differences (notably Bowbow freaking out when Mario gets the hammer compared to its later counterparts) and are all listed separately in the Perfect Daijiten anyways.