User talk:Trig Jegman

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When moving files
Just an advice. When you move files, you don't need to capitalize words, you just need to move the extension. For example: When you want to move a file called File:Mario and luigi.PNG, you don't need to capitalize "Luigi", you only need to move to "File:Mario and luigi.png". See what i did with File:Boo blah.png. -- 02:16, May 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Since they're moving the file anyway, might as well fix any other mistakes in the name while they're at it. There's nothing wrong with that. 02:26, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I know there is nothing wrong, i'm just telling him that capitalizing a word is unneeded, and what really matters is the extension. -- 02:31, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * They don't have to, but if they want to do that together with the extension, let them. 02:40, May 21, 2019 (EDT)

While doing the above is great, why remove the parenthesis from file names? They're easy to type, and the filename is already clear as to what it is. 16:35, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Additionally, while it's great that you're keeping consistency, some of the images you're moving don't necessary need moving. If the name of the subject is clear, the image does not need to be moved. I don't mind deleting things that need to be deleted, but you're moving more images than you need to. 00:44, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * Renaming to lowercase extension ("File:TopReactorBeginning.PNG" to "File:SMG Lava Reactor Green Platforms.png") is okay.
 * Renaming for clarity ("File:Thwomp.png" to "File:SMG Thwomp Artwork.png") is okay.
 * "File:Rosalina SM3DW.png" to "File:SM3DW Rosalina Super Galaxy.png" just seems a little pointless, they both mean the same thing.
 * Removing one character ("File:MSC - Concept art - Kritter.jpg" to "File:MSC Concept Art - Kritter.jpg") is even more pointless.
 * Aditionally, the examples such as Petapeta and Banekiti are among those Alex 95 cited. -- 02:24, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * I can understand Alex not being keen to the hyphens, but to that I cite "Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.), superfluous words, conversational names and any other padding that may make names longer and more complicated than they need to be." from the image use policy, as well as me personally suggesting that almost all files in that area were being renamed to be appropriate to begin with, and that this only re-affirmed the consistency amongst them. In the future, I will avoid doing this without more reason to do so.


 * I'd also like to mention that I didn't even do one of these, nor would I have moved that file on it's name anyway. Furthermore, Petapeta and Banekiti were renamed to be accurate to the official name of the enemy as it currently is. Maybe my understanding is wrong, but it was generally understood by to me that file names be accurate to the file. If this is no longer the case, I am willing to completely ignore such inaccurate files, but this requires actually knowing whether or not to do it. This may stem from no clear policy on the approach to name generalizations to exact names. Trig - 15:17, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, since I was the one who moved the SM3DW file in question, I'd like to point out that I did so as a naming conflict rename, because its name was too similar to the name of another image (I forgot which image), and I felt that was a good reason to rename it to avoid confusion. -- 15:21, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.)" - In that case, the second dash should've also been removed, but in all honesty, I don't really know why that rule is there. I can understand brackets, since that can mess with coding, but hyphens are usually easy to type...
 * "I didn't even do one of these" - My bad.
 * "Petapeta and Banekiti were renamed to be accurate to the official name of the enemy as it currently is." - That is totally fine. Renaming an image to fit an article's name is acceptable.
 * "file names be accurate to the file" - This is still true, and that's my point. If the name is already accurate, it doesn't need changing.
 * "I'd like to point out that I did so as a naming conflict rename" - @Supermariofan67, thanks for clarifying. 00:48, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * What really is necessary is the extension, not if the file has a conjectural name in it. Also, the beta images renaming was completely unnecessary. -- 13:59, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It certainly was not unnecessary, as policy intentionally tries to avoid using Beta. If pages shouldn't be using it, neither should files. Furthermore, conjectural names are not always correct or representative of an image, either due to a different image being uploaded, or an official name being found. Trig - 16:02, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It may be beneficial for you to read both the Image use policy and my terminology section to get a better understanding of why I do things. It's not because it has no purpose. As stated before by Mario JC and insinuated by Alex, it does not hurt to fix the main file name if something is wrong, including information in the file name. Trig - 16:32, August 11, 2019 (EDT)

Dash vs Hyphen
Coming off of the discussion that was in Discord, there may be confusion over the two symbols. A dash (-) is what's normally seen in file names, and I think is perfectly fine to have, as it's pretty easy to type on most keyboards, even mobile. A hyphen (—) is something that isn't seen on most keyboards, I had to use the special characters selection to make it appear, which isn't something that should be used in file names.

So while hyphens should be removed, I don't think dashes should be if the name is already clear enough. Like "File:Dorrie Screenshot - New Super Mario Bros.png" was perfectly fine. I know the image use policy specifically mentions "dashes", but I want to talk to Porple about that at some point... 12:24, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think it's the other way around. Hyphens (-) are found on keyboards, while the three different types of dashes (–, —, and ―, which are longer than hyphens) are not. See Dash and Hyphen. -- 18:22, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Er, those are actually es. 18:40, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * No. – (U+2013) is an En-dash. — (U+2014) is an Em-dash. ― (U+2015) is a horizontal bar dash. ‐ (U+2010) is a hyphen. - (U+002D) is a hyphen-minus. − (U+2212) is a minus sign. -- 19:05, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

Moving Files on WiKirby
Seeing as you move so many files on mario wiki, would you be interested in helping move files on WiKirby? There's quite a bit of uppercase-extension files there, especially on here (and yes, you can change to monobook skin via your preferences if you don't like default layout). Just an offer since you're such a help here :) Results May Vary (talk) 16:53, June 1, 2019 (EDT)


 * That is a consideration of mine once I get most of the stuff done here, or at least have other people doing this besides me. As of now, there is a lot here to manage before I do other wikis. Short answer: Maybe, but not now. Trig - 09:55, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Do you ever get tired of moving file names? :P Results May Vary (talk) 11:42, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * Never. Trig - 11:44, June 2, 2019 (EDT)

WhatLinksHere
You should check Special:WhatLinksHere (it's under "tools" on the left navigation pane) for the old file names rather than just the "File usage" header before marking them for deletion, as the latter doesn't show file page links like this. 21:59, June 3, 2019 (EDT)


 * Darn, and I usually catch those too. Sorry! Trig - 16:35, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

Undergrunt image
Why did you tag that Undergrunt image with the image-quality tag? It's in high res because of fpv, iirc, I spoke with the person who took it before they did to ensure it'd be good enough. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:48, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Image quality
You were already notified about this. Stop marking images with unless there's a good reason (e.g. a watermark) or they're poor enough quality that they need to be reuploaded (i.e. not every single jpg that already shows what it needs to show in adequate quality). Some images were only available in jpg in the source they came from anyway. 02:46, June 20, 2019 (EDT)

Inactive users
Telling someone a file on their userpage has been moved is good, but an inactive user likely won't see the message. Just keep it to active users, and anyone can correct the files on their page themselves if they see it's broken. 15:41, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

File .jpg
Do you know any active users who create or can create image files called File .jpg? Lord Falafel (talk) 17:30, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * You mean upload files as .jpg? Anyone can do that, when it is named as such and assuming the file is jpg. Trig - 17:32, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * You wouldn't mind doing that for me, would you? Please? Lord Falafel (talk) 17:34, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Not a mind at all. Go ahead and do what you need to get it to me. Trig - 17:36, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * This link leads to a picture that needs a jpg file. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q165133918 Lord Falafel (talk) 17:39, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's called super Mario seesaw takeover and it was made by Banpresto and officially licensed by Nintendo. Please send the jpg file to me on my talk page when the jpg has been created. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:53, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

File can be found at File:Super Mario Yoshi Ride.jpg (and if you move it, let me know to fix my page here). If it weren't for the fact that I've seen you flinging yourself everywhere to get this stuff, I'd have thought this was some form of malicious intent because this computer bombed hard trying to get to the page. No idea how to categorize or copyright it though, so please do that as soon as you can (use to do so) pretty clear who's responding here - 17:57, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * I messed up telling you about those battery cars. If you look up @yamapen3 Mario on Google images, you will be shown various arcade games they found throughout Japan. They use anime girls as their profile pictures. If you have the color setting option on Google images, click red for the Mario battery car I described to you and green for the yoshi battery car I described to you. And make sure the images you send me have no anime girls on the pictures and that no one is riding the battery cars. Please help me with this. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:56, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * I'm all for getting images, but hunting things down is not how I operate. Not only have you not described battery cars to me, but I am not going to engage in anything involving Google besides their electronic mail. There are plenty of other people that would do this for you, but I am not one of them. My apologies. Trig - 22:05, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Furthermore, I'm more than happy to help a person once, but I have plenty of my own work to do. I try to say this honestly and nicely when I say that it feels like you're forcing this project of yours upon others; and based on your last talk page block of test, forcing on myself. I urge you to please seek elsewhere. Trig - 22:12, June 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * Ok. I will do that. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:21, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

RE: From one file czar to another
Although I don't own any of the games you mentioned (or have much interest in the Mario sports games), I definitely plan to work on plenty of other ones when I'm done with SMG/2, but since those two games are such a massive project I'm trying to focus a lot on getting those ones as perfect as I can before I move on. Specifically, I plan to work on Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario 64, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and probably many others. Also, my userpage has a list of games I own if you're curious what else I could work on. As for how I capture the images, I follow 's amazing, though slightly outdated, guide. Specifically, I use the Dolphin emulator for Wii/GCN, the method described on my userpage for Wii U, and the built-in screenshot function for Switch.

Thank you also for the amazing work you do! I imagine it must be boring and tedious, but necessary. If you want to learn more about what I do and some technical stuff related to images, read my userpage and the above-mentioned Wildgoosespeeder guide. You may also be interested in reading older talk page discussions by, , and. Though they are no longer active users, they are probably some of our wiki's most influential file maintainers. -- 21:52, July 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you'd like, you can link your demonstration image on my talk page. -- 23:22, July 4, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you, I have noted those files and will reupload them soon. If you come across any more, would you mind adding them to to section of my sandbox here? -- 22:13, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * No mind at all. Thanks. Trig - 22:15, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding "Honey is not an item" in your notes section, I removed Honey from the SMG2 article altogether, because it doesn't even appear in the game; it only appears in SMG. -- 22:09, July 11, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. I can wait a bit, since I’ll be starting my project by going through the galaxies, which will be all over the alphabet. There’s a lot of other stuff I can work on until you’re done. I may work on renaming files for Super Mario 3D World and helping with getting images. How long do you estimate it will be until you finish? I’d prefer not to wait more than 2 weeks to start SMG because I want to finish it by the end of August. -- 19:33, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * If I tryhard enough, I will be done or really close to one in a week (depending on thurs, maybe even by then). Trig - 20:38, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

That's a good point, thanks! I won't worry about this recent one, but I'll definitely keep that in mind in the future. -- 15:38, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

Okay great! I'll start tomorrow. -- 21:39, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah I think that alphabetize template is an awesome idea! One suggestion I have would be to add a parameter for the user to specify a request for another sort order other than alphabetical (e.g., "It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in release-date order.") as other sort orders are common and I have seen many character screenshot galleries that aren't sorted properly. BTW about the PNG template you may be interested in reading this past proposal by Wildgoosespeeder. I think I agree with your idea, and I suggest taking into consideration the wording on the proposal's corresponding PNG template, both in the template itself and the intended usage listed on that page. One suggestion I have that deviates from that past proposal is naming the template something like, or better yet instead of  as in my opinion that would be a more accurate description of what's needed. Great idea though, as the image-quality category has become very crowded and I like the idea of splitting it between extremely horrible-quality, high-priority-to-replace images and sub-optimal, but not as horrible images (in this case non-png screenshots (your template)). -- 22:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Ugly Green Frog and Fat Man
Bazooka Mario loved giving files ridiculous names back in the day, but stopped many many years ago. No reason to complain about them now. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:24, July 2, 2019 (EDT)


 * not really complaining, just means more needless work in fixing things. that's just the way the world spins, though. oh well. Trig, the guy that is really uptight about file names - 22:26, July 2, 2019 (EDT)

File:Blue Extra Live Balloon DKC2.png
want to rename the "Live" in filename to "Life"? This will fix the spelling & save me the effort of renaming it myself (seeing as you're already doing this big job at it). Thanks Results May Vary (talk) 16:35, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

Trig Image Example
Files linked, and not displayed, such as File:Trig Demonstration Example File.png used here, will not appear unless 'What Links Here' is pressed. Trig

RE: Replace Text
Only the proprietor can do that, however it's not necessary to fix the image links if they're on userspace (especially those of inactive users). The reason there are so many links is because it's on this page, which is transcluded into those user talk pages.

Wario Land Series Images
I think you might want to check over the images for the first three Wario Land games to see if there are any files that still need to be changed - most importantly, Wario Land 3, as there are many files for that game that still have capitalized extensions or have wrong names. Perhaps you could put this game next in your queue? Power Flotzo (talk) 22:29, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was hinted to me that quite a few of em changed. It'll be a few months before I get to that point but your input is noted and appreciated. Trig - 22:34, July 7, 2019 (EDT)

In regards to the delete-revision template
I mainly had it made to alert admins of accidental or repeated reuploads (which happens a lot), vandalism, and edit wars (and so people would stop bugging about it). If it's just three or four revisions on an image, even if duplicate, it doesn't really need the revisions deleted. Not every image needs to be knocked down to two revisions just for the heck of it. I deleted some already before deciding the amount you had marked was incredibly excessive, but I'll continue going through them to see if anything actually needs removed. Otherwise, it isn't really worth the effort to delete one or two revisions from an image with only three or four. 00:59, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

Unused
Wow. There's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of unused Super Mario Maker 2 images. Are we saving those for any reason, or should I start trying to integrate and purge? Trig - 09:35, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Your thoughts
I have a few questions for you.


 * What do you think of special characters (like & + ! .) in filenames? I personally try to include them (such as in Mario & Luigi or King K. Rool).
 * How do you feel about filenames that are all bunched together like File:ACloudyDay MinionQuest.png?
 * Many Super Mario Maker filenames have arbitrary dashes (like File:SMM-SMB-BuzzyBeetleShell.png), a plague that is also impacting Super Mario Maker 2. What do you think about these? Should they be moved to be just normal spaces? 23:49, July 15, 2019 (EDT)


 * Per my little walkthrough, as well as the image use policy ("Avoid using punctuation (brackets, colons, dashes, etc.), superfluous words, conversational names and any other padding that may make names longer and more complicated than they need to be"), I am highly against any punctuation that isn't a hyphen, including parenthesis. Usually, however, I don't mess with parentheses or hyphens (unless there are many unneeded or inconsistent ones). Things like exclamation points, ampersands, and more than one period should DEFINITELY be removed when possible. The Mario and/& Luigi RPG files are definitely something to look at later down the road.


 * I don't prefer bunched together file names, but don't mess it unless I'm changing something else anyway. If you're naming a file, don't combine em, but it's not needed to move for that reason alone.


 * I haven't looked at many Super Mario Maker (or 2)'s files, but those hyphens to me seem appropriate to the file types. It denotes the game (SMM) and the subset of said game (SMB, in your example). Stuff that doesn't need a hyphen but uses one is a file like File:Mario Spin Art - Super Mario Galaxy.png.
 * I am happy to answer any further questions you may have. Trig - 16:07, July 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * Thank you for responding.


 * This wiki can be... not the most logical at times.


 * Sometimes they completely ruin naming schemes. If I want to find an image of, say, Big Showdown on a Little Star, I'll first look for "SMM2 Big Showdown on a Little Star.png" Not "BigShowdownonaLittleStar SMM2.png"


 * It's even more annoying to type needless dashes instead of spaces. 18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * That is not in my control. Please do not complain here about this. Files are at various lives here, some 8 years old and some ten minutes. Rarely will any be uploaded in large numbers with a consistent naming scheme, and it's frankly impossible to truly have a perfect naming structure. If you'd like to move files for Super Mario Maker, the only thing stopping you is your own scale of time. I'm only here to attempt to standardize, not to complain about actions of people 7+ years ago. Furthermore, please let me format my talk page. Trig - 20:42, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Questions about MTA icons
Quick question, when renaming international game icons, should we mention the fact that they are the international icon. Take File:Mario Tennis Aces logo.png for example. Should it just be renamed File:MTA logo.png, or File:MTA international icon.png? Also, should language names be abbreviated? So for example should File:MTA JPLogo.jpg be renamed to File:MTA JP Logo.jpg or File:MTA Japanese logo.jpg? Thanks for your help. 17:18, July 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * None of these above need renamed (unless there's an extension NCR). Like, zero of them need renamed. Generally speaking for logos, there is only two: Japanese and not-Japanese. For this, File:"Filename" logo is appropriate for the not-Japanese and File:"Filename" JP Logo should be used for the Japanese version. If there is a third (PAL/Korea), it should be specified. Remember, everything here is based off the American version of things.


 * Similarly for game boxes, File:"Filename" "Region" box art is appropriate.


 * My words are in no means the official way, but it what I have noticed historically and attempt to repeat should logo names be moved. Thank you for your question. Trig - 19:51, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the response! 20:47, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Talk pages w/ proposals
Please do not mark talk pages with proposals for deletion. They should be kept for historical reference. 10:22, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

Talk Pages
Just because they haven't been used in a long while doesn't mean they fit the criteria for deletion, especially not if they contain questions and comments relevant to developing the article. -- 21:23, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

What Lord Grammaticus said. Talk pages with any kind of discussion shouldn't be deleted either. You've been told this in summaries and had your edits reverted several times already, just leave them. 21:25, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Question
What's a red dead? Lord Falafel (talk) 22:58, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not Trig but I've been waiting to say this. It's either a ReDead or a contraction of "dead red link" or "red & dead" (a rhyming phrase to describe a red link) Results May Vary (talk) 23:00, August 3, 2019 (EDT)
 * Red, dead links as rmv threw in as I was writing this . In short, files that no longer exist. They appear as red links instead of blue. Since they do not exist anymore, I am removing them to remove the fluff on the page. This makes it easier to view what files still need helping. Trig the tired - 23:02, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Delete tag
What difference does using the tag make if it's deleted anyway? I noticed it was done so I went ahead with it so you didn't need to. 22:20, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * It causes some weird issues with What Links Here, and doesn't always show what is left. I like to replace everything, especially when it comes to my sandbox and the preservation of The RAP Test. it is also so that I feel confident that I didn't forget to actually delete it, but that is a little less important.  Trig - 22:25, August 11, 2019 (EDT)