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Merging Smash Bros. objects: Round 2!
Good day!

My recent proposal aimed at merging unrelated to Mario items and objects has passed, however, as it turned out, the list wasn't full -- there are still objects that should have been merged. So, why don't we finish what we started? As established earlier, cameo appearances do not justify keeping an article.

If you find more objects/items that I've missed, leave a comment so I can add them in the list.

List N
The following entries will be merged with the rest of Smash Bros. objects:
 * 1) Great Fox
 * 2) Gunship
 * 3) Subspace Gunship
 * 4) Unira (will be merged with items)
 * 5) Wolfen
 * 6) Dark Cannon
 * 7) Bumper (Super Smash Bros. series)

Now the question is, should F-Zero Racer also be merged? Is it cameo appearance or not?

Proposer: Deadline: September 5, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Merge only the List N entries

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.


 * 1) F-Zero Racer seems to play a major-enough role.

Merge the List N entries, including F-Zero Racer

 * 1) The only F-Zero Racer really involved in anything Mario-related outside of Smash is the Blue Falcon, which has its own article. I don't think a one-off gag cameo in Super Mario-kun is a strong reason to keep their own article. Barbara the Bat has more of a presence in manga media.
 * 2) what he said ^
 * 3) what Glowsquid said ^
 * 4) Per all. (what they said^)
 * 5) what TheFlameChomp said ^
 * 6) Per all.

Comments
I am a bit iffy on Unira since early appearances of Urchin were treated as either them themselves or at least a derivative (though granted Octorok has a ton of variants in Mario and we no longer have a page on it...) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:44, August 29, 2022 (EDT)

I have two questions: ShootingStar7X (talk) 11:28, August 31, 2022 (EDT)
 * 1) Why merge the Dark Cannon into the items page when it's only ever used in The Subspace Emissary's cutscenes, and never in gameplay? Not to mention it's only categorized under Category:Objects.
 * 2) Did you forget about the Bumper, or is its appearance on Peach's Castle Mario-relevant enough to merit its own page?
 * I've deleted the item part from Dark Cannon. Bumper isn't on the list, since the only stage it appears in is Peach's Castle, at least according to the Smash Bros Wiki, so I believe it just barely qualifies, I think it needs a separate talk page proposal, just like Party Ball (item). Note that I'm not going to make one for these two pages. Spectrogram (talk) 11:41, August 31, 2022 (EDT)
 * Bumpers are also usable items on any stage, though. ShootingStar7X (talk) 11:53, August 31, 2022 (EDT)
 * Good point, but as an object they're Peach Castle exclusive. I'm still unsure whether or not I should include them, but I'd advice you to create a talk page proposal instead. Spectrogram (talk) 11:58, August 31, 2022 (EDT)
 * Flippers were also usable items in Super Smash Bros. Melee, but became stage objects in later games. That kind of puts Bumper in the same boat. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:24, August 31, 2022 (EDT)
 * Flippers weren't objects in a Mario stage though. I'll add them in the list, but if anyone disagrees I can exclude it again. Spectrogram (talk) 12:27, August 31, 2022 (EDT)

Move Flying Goomba (Super Mario World) to, Para-Goomba (Super Mario World) to , Parabomb to
The Super Mario World section of the Japanese Mario Portal calls the Flying Goomba "Paragaloomba" and the Para-Goomba "Parachute Galoomba". These names should take priority over their current names as they are more recent, more accurate to the original Japanese and also help clear up a currently very counter-intuitive group of pages.

Firstly, Galoombas were separate enemies from the Goombas since their inception, being called kuribon as opposed to kuribō. Secondly, a well established pattern in both English and Japanese dictates that winged variants of enemies receive a Para- or Pata- prefix, respectively (Paragoombas being Patakuribō, Para-Biddybuds being Patatenten, Para-Beetles being Patametto, Parabones being Patakaron, etc). "Flying Goombas" are called Patakuri in Japanese, and were accordingly named "Paragaloombas" in the new website. "Para-goomba", on the other hand, are called Parakuri in Japanese (coincidently the same prefix as the English word, despite having different meanings) and were thus named "Parachute Galoombas" in the new website. Their new names fix both of those inconsistencies, and would make the pages more intuitive to understand. Parabomb would also be moved as to be consistent with the new Parachute Galoomba name.

Proposer: Deadline: September 5, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Move all pages

 * 1) I love any effort to fix janky old localization choices.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) My second choice, per proposal.
 * 4) per proposal :D
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per proposal
 * 7) Secondary choice. The new names for these aerial Galoombas are more consistent with the other winged enemies (it was honestly inconsistent even back when they were regarded the same as regular Goombas), and the same would apply for Parachute Bob-omb if it weren't for the fact that its old name of Parabomb is still in use in more recent titles.

Move Flying Goomba and Para-Goomba, but not Parabomb

 * 1) My first choice, per LinkTheLefty's comments.
 * 2) I feel like the fact that the name "Parabomb" has been used consistently every time they had an in-game name is enough to leave it as is. Also, unlike the Flying/Parachute G(al)oombas, Parabomb wasn't given the English name of an already existing enemy for years :P
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Primary choice. As LinkTheLefty stated, Parabomb has made a handful of frequent reappearances in the past decade (unlike Paragaloomba and Parachute Galoomba), and still used the Parabomb name for something as recent as Dr. Mario World. We're not moving Banzai Bill to Boomer Bill because of the LEGO Mario sets, or Bomber Bill because of the Mario Portal as well, either. I feel like we have to wait and see if Parabomb reappears in future titles with the new Parachute Bob-omb moniker (and in turn, if we get winged Bob-omb appearances outside of Mario Maker in the future, and if those are called Para-Bob-omb).
 * 5) Per per.
 * 6) Until we have further discussion on it, I don't think we should be overriding other names with Mario Portal names without a really good reason. While the Galoomba moves make sense, since it's pretty confusing in its current state, I don't really feel compelled to move Parabomb right now. Parabomb is also a name used (very recently!) in-game so I don't like the massive jump in source priority here.
 * 7) Second choice, per all.
 * 8) per all.
 * 9) second option.
 * 10) Per all
 * 11) - per
 * 12) Parabomb's name has been consistently used, such as in Dr. Mario World, and it's the same in most languages. If a later game uses a different name, we can figure out what to do with that.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) I feel as long as the Galoombas are moved, I can go for either option. Second option, per all.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) This is the best option by a long shot.
 * 17) Per all.

Comments
The Para-Goomba (Mario Clash) page would unfortunately remain unchanged, as Mario Clash was not featured in the new website.

Could there be an option to move the Galoombas only? While Parabomb could be renamed, I'd rather we wait until a new game uses Parachute Bob-omb before moving that one, like how Boomer/Bomber Bill is being approached. (And if we really wanted to, we could just use "Para-Goombah" for the Mario Clash Para-Goomba. It'd be a silly way to remove an identifier, but I think we can work with it.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:08, August 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * The same reasoning applies partially to the Parabomb page: the name Parachute Bob-Omb would be consistent with the name Parachute Galoomba, and would avoid confusion as it's not the same thing as other "Para-" enemies, which is what the Japanese name already does anyway. If we're moving one I see no reason not to move the other.
 * The difference is that the Galoombas appear infrequently and moving them would match their actual parent species, whereas Parabombs are having a decent run and have appeared as late as Dr. Mario World under that name (winged Bob-ombs are also exclusive to Super Mario Maker, and previous proposals concluded to leave those enemies as one-offs until they officially appear outside that series). LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:01, August 30, 2022 (EDT)
 * Alright. I thought about it and I'll concede that, despite not being as accurate as Parachute Bob-Ombs, the name Parabombs is still technically the most accurate name used in-game for the enemy over the years, so I have added an option to not move that page.

Stop considering a coverage-related proposal "implemented" before the information gets added to Coverage
Good evening!

The list of unimplemented proposals is amazing. It is a helpful tool for editors to know what else should be worked on. However, I've noticed a small issue with the way two recent guest appearance proposals were handled: this edit. Coverage features a list of media currently classified as a guest appearance. This list is incomplete for one small reason: these two games weren't added in because their proposals got removed from the list of unimplemented proposals before staff noticed that they should also be added in the list, causing the list to remain incomplete. So I propose we stop considering important coverage-related proposals (guest appearances, crossover coverage, historically significant games, etc.) as "implemented" before they get a mention in Coverage. Not only after their page is created, but also after the policy page gets updated.

Hope you have a great rest of your day!

Proposer: Deadline: September 11, 2022, 23:59 GMT

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 * 1) I believe policy pages are very important and should not be overlooked.

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