MarioWiki:Proposals

List of talk page proposals

 * Coin Ring - Split Super Mario 64 (and DS) with Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World (discuss) Deadline: October 13, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Split Croacus rulers from List of implied characters (discuss) Deadline: October 17, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Mad Scienstein with Arewo Shitain-hakase (discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge content of Bomb Toss with the appropriate segment (discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Retool Category:Children (Discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2016, 23:59 GMT

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Removals
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Move Yoshi, Donkey Kong and Wario (series) pages to * (franchise) and retool
This has been bugging me for a bit, and looking at the series pages (which are, in general, a fully acknowledged mess) while tidying up the tables over the past day or two hammered that these three are simply not series - for DK and Yoshi in particular, the only commonality between them is that they feature the named character to some degree, usually in the title, being motley mixes of platformers, puzzles and "other". In addition, there are a bunch of series-within-these-series (including Wario) that get their own pages with nigh-identical content based on a subset of the page, in clear violation of Once and only once (compare Donkey Kong (series) to Donkey Kong Country (series), for instance).

What I'm proposing is that we retool along these lines. Not deleting or merging anything for now, just splitting a couple of things and reducing duplication on the basis that this'll be enough to be getting on with, since the series pages have long been a triumph of ambition over accomplishment...:

Nearly everything is already on a (sub-)series page anyway. Complete the job, remove the MW:O&OO-violating material and look to make a proper overview
 * Donkey Kong
 * - overview page. Initially this will probably be fairly short, but the ultimate goal is to have something along the lines of 's reworking of Mario (franchise)
 * Donkey Kong (series) - basically, this becomes everything based on the original arcade game and the sequels thereof (so the arcade games and their ports, Game & Watches, Donkey Kong GB)
 * Donkey Kong Country (series) - in the short-term, not terribly different from now. (Currently includes DK64, and I would keep that. Indeed, I would merge...)
 * Donkey Kong Land (series) - frankly, I think this should be merged with the DKC series page, which it has to be viewed in the context of, but unless there's heavy support for that, keep it as it is for now
 * Diddy Kong Racing (series)
 * Donkey Konga (series)
 * Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)
 * DK (series)
 * The remainder remain on Donkey Kong (franchise) for now


 * Yoshi:
 * - overview page. As above
 * - all the Yoshi+Baby Mario(/etc) games
 * - could use a better name, but Yoshi, Yoshi's Cookie, Tetris Attack
 * The remainder remain on Yoshi (franchise) for now


 * Wario:
 * - overview page. As with DK, almost all of the games are on the (sub-)series pages anyway, it's just enforcing MW:O&OO
 * Wario Land (series)
 * WarioWare
 * The remainder remain on Wario (franchise) for now

Proposer: Deadline: 17 October 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per above
 * 2) Have those three as franchises? Yes. Have Donkey Kong Land part of the Donkey Kong Country? Best to keep them separate. How to do the franchises? Just like Mario (franchise). Why do I support the idea of making like the Mario (franchise)? Franchises must be similar in appearance. Series can be better, but I don't care much what happens to them. Also, they are more than just series. If you were to look at Super Smash Bros. (series), you will find out that their symbol is the franchise they are from. How long this will take to get completely done? Quite a while. 5th year of the Nintendo Direct will come before this is completed and probably the NX will come before this is 100% completed, but this last one is a bit of a stretch since the official date isn't known and this should take more than a month to do. Short answer is, I support the decision to do the proposal.
 * 3) This sounds like a good idea to me. About merging the DKC series and the DKL series, it sounds like a good idea because they are so similar, but I'm not sure because of the name difference.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Mario series = Mario franchise! So, let's try it!

Oppose

 * 1) I like some of the ideas of this proposal, but I must oppose due to 2 fundamental reasons: that you propose lumping in the Arcade based Donkey Kong games including the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series (neither of which is actually a true Donkey Kong game series) in with the more standard Donkey Kong series such as Country, Land, Racing, etc, in your proposed Donkey Kong (franchise) page, as well as how you propose lumping the Wario Land and Wario Ware series into a Wario (franchise) page, despite the series being very different from each other.  As an added kicker to my desire to oppose this proposal, you cite the format of 's reworking of the Mario franchise article as the end goal of your idea for the Donkey Kong franchise article, and I honestly do not like what SethAllen has done to that page, and I also do not like his reworking of several other pages pages such as Super Mario Advance 1.

Comments
3D Player 2010: I genuinely don't think you understand what I'm suggesting. RIGHT NOW, "the Arcade based Donkey Kong games including the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series" are "lumped" "in with the more standard Donkey Kong series". I am not suggesting getting rid of, e.g., Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series) - note the words "not deleting or merging anything" as part of the proposal. Indeed, I'm suggesting creating a page JUST for "the Arcade based Donkey Kong games" at Donkey Kong (series), which is currently the "lump everything in" page. If this passes, there will be more pages, not fewer, but with less duplication [compare Donkey Kong (series) and Donkey Kong Country (series) as they presently stand). The retooling of what was "Mario (series)" and is now Mario (franchise) did not obliterate, for instance, the list of games on Super Mario (series). - Reboot (talk) 01:22, 12 October 2016 (EDT)

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