MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Featured Image Rules
Many of you may be wondering why I put this in the "New Features" section and that is because we currently have no rules for Featured Images (except "must be in a mainspace page" and "no fanart". Everything needs rules and FIs are no exceptions. Here is my ruleset:
 * 1) No re-nominating an image for a month after it has failed.
 * 2) You can vote for an image to be unfeatured in the new "Unfeatured Image Nominations" section.

Proposer: Deadline: December 27, 2009, 17:00

Use this ruleset

 * 1) - Per proposal
 * 2) – Per MG1.
 * 3) That sounds fair, FA's and FI's are very alike. The rules stated above partly involve rules like such in FA's. Those two rules are very simple, and can really help the FI nominations...

Use current ruleset

 * I don't think those rules would be harmful but I don't think they are necessary either. If an image has failed only by a margin of 1 vote, then I see no reason why it shouldn't get nominated again for a month. Also, I really don't think we need to introduce a new Unfeature system for FIs. Once an image was featured, it won't be featured again (which is different from FAs), so no need to worry.
 * 1) &mdash; Per Time Q. The current system is perfectly fine; there's no need to change it.
 * Per Time Q and stooben rooben The rules are perfectly fine
 * 1) I could see chaos in the near future...per all.

Comments
This ruleset should be easy to agree on considering it is composed of rules from the FA system...

I dont like rule 3, as it is kinda pointless, why would you remove votes if they dont need to have a valid reason?
 * You're right, that's redundant and I don't want to create a big ruckus by trying to change the current rules, I have removed it from my proposal.

Sorry if this is kind of off-topic, but I have a different suggestion for a new rule: If the image with the most "positive" votes (i.e. support votes minus oppose votes) has less than 10 positive votes, it should stay nominated and instead one of the previous FIs should be featured again. Just wanted to throw that in.
 * Good idea but 10 may be a bit too much...

Time Q: So what happens when we run out of images to feature? I'm just wondering. Marioguy1: In your proposal, you wrote "No re-nominating an article for a month after it has failed." Don't you mean "image"? Just to avoid confusion.


 * Sorry, you can tell what frame of mind I was writing this in :P

Removals
''None at the moment.

Splits & Merges
''Please note: From here on out, no new splits or merges will be accepted in this area. All splits and merges must be done on talk pages, as this section is reserved for talk page proposals. The below proposal is allowed to stay because it was initiated before the new rule was put into practice.''

Merge All Golfers and Tennis Players
I propose that all the generic human tennis players and golfers appearing in every Mario Tennis and Mario Golf game should all be merged together. If this proposal does pass the only idea I have to name this new article could be "List of Generic Humans". The reason is that about every single character except for three or four are stubs, being composed of only two to four sentances, some with no images.

Proposer: Deadline: December 31, 2009, 17:00

Merge

 * 1) I am Zero! This is a wiki, we put full information on every single article, we are not a wikia, only having one to three sentances on one article, so merging would be the best to do now. Zero signing out.
 * 2) - Most of these characters are playable once and have virtually no information surrounding them, so they are neither major aspects of the Mario series nor can full pages be written about them: there are more substantial entries in List of Implied People. When we merged the Waffle Kingdom people Luigi spoke of into said page, it did not mean that we valued them any less than before - we merely did it for consistency and organization; similarly, merging the human golfers and tennis players would make navigation faster and easier. Giving pages to everything that has a name has not worked like we hoped it would, and as more named things get added to the Mario series with each new game, it's doubtful we will ever fully catch up; instead of grasping at straws, perhaps we should try something different.

Do Not Merge

 * They are rather major characters from a Mario-sub-series. If their articles are too short, expand them rather than merge them.
 * 1) - per Time Q.
 * 2) - Per Time Q.
 * 3) More can be added, like stats, appearances, or where that character is found.
 * 4) The reason these articles are short is because nobody adds information to them. Max and Tina are examples of what they should look like, while Tiny and Putts are pretty much a complete article.  was deleted due to its shortness (thanks to Knife), but that doesn't mean they're worhtless. One last thing: What is the Mario Wiki coming to if we need to merge articles on playable characters?
 * 5) Per Time Q.
 * 6) &mdash; Per Time Q. There's plenty of info and images to be supplied to those articles, so long as one is knowledgeable and willing enough to do so.

Comments
What about other random human sports players? I'm assuming you'd want to see the tennis players merged as well as the golfers (in a separate list page), for the sake of consistency. -

Hm, I think this proposal is a good example of why we should keep "Splits & Merges" proposals on this page. On which talk page would we put it?
 * When in doubt, put it on here: since it deals with so many pages from so many different games, there is no logical central place for it ( deals with all the effected pages, but it's sorta removed from the pages itself; same with Category:Humans). It's also dealing with MWiki policy as much as straight merging - it's the old "what warrants a page" and "how to deal with stubs" debate - so putting it here in Changes would work. -

I am Zero! The reason I said merge them is that there is really not that much to expand on most of them because they only made one or two appearences (most of them) in the Mario Golf and Mario Tennis series only. Zero signing out.

Would you mind making a short or complete list of which characters you mean? I did a cursory glance to try to find some of these characters, but didn't really pop up with anything. It'd be easier if you could show us who you mean. Redstar 17:53, 25 December 2009 (EST)
 * He means all the characters that you face in the Mario Golf and Mario Tennis games, like Sophia, Meg, Mason, Joe, Gene, or Grace. Those characters are human characters that you face in some Mario Golf and Mario Tennis games. There's a ton more characters like that. Although, I actually don't see most of those as stubs.

Split Category:Special Moves
While patrolling, I found that tehre is no such category as "Moves", so all of the things that will clasify as normal moves, are listed as special, so I propose we choose which from the Special Moves are not special, and are just "moves". Since when is Jump something special? It is the most common and ordinary thing in the Mario series. You can post in the comments section which Special MOves you dont think are Special. For example, some things as the Baby Drill is special, because it is something that is not commonly done, while something as Baby Toss simply isn't, because it is just throwing the babies. Proposer: Deadline: Sunday, January 3rd, 2010.

Create the Moves category

 * 1) - Per me.
 * 2) - I don't consider Jump to be a "special" move.
 * 3) Yeah I was just thinking about that category today. Jump isn't a special move at all!

Comments
Please consider that the term "Special Move" comes directly from gameplay jargon and is not determined by how out-of-the-ordinary the action in question is. Wheter something is a normal move or a special move depends on how it is accessed and executed, not what exactly it is. In an RPG f.e. special moves are those moves that are an alternative to the plain "attack" command. They usually, but not necessarily, consume a certain source of power, like FP. Basically, everything action different from a character's normal way of attack is a special move.

If we split this category into two, then the Jump you mentioned would be in both categories. It is Mario's normal way of attack in most games, but in SMRPG gameplay, it qualifies as a special move. Because of this ambiguation, I cannot make my decision solely on the base of Jump. Do you have any other examples? -

Talk Page Proposals
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Remove Minus World from Category:Glitches
While I was looking at Category:Glitches I notice Minus World was in the list. I propose to remove Minus World from that list, reasons:


 * 1) It is part of the Super Mario Bros. Glitches.
 * 2) It is only one glitch and itself is an article.
 * 3) It looks very out of place with it being in that list.

Proper: Deadline: Monday, December 28th, 17:00

Remove Minus World

 * 1) I am Zero! The three reasons apply. The real big reason is that it is already part of the Super Mario Bros. Glitches so why does it need to appear twice? Zero signing out.

Keep Minus World their

 * 1) - It's a glitch. Not sure why it shouldn't be in the category for glitches.
 * 2) - Whether or not it is a glitch in other games, it was a glitch in that game and should stay categorized as one. Just like Mario is categorized as an enemy thanks to Donkey Kong, this should stay categorized as a glitch thanks to Super Mario Bros. and should stay that way.
 * 3) &mdash; Per Redstar. If it's a glitch, it only makes sense to keep it in the glitches category.
 * 4) – Per all.
 * 5) - A glitch is a glitch. oô
 * 6) - Per all.
 * 7) - Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) A glitch is a glitch.

Comments
Can this be removed? We have many, MANY proposals and this one will clearly not pass? Any toughts?

Yes it should be removed. It feels more like a joke proposal to me...
 * No, I don't think it is within the rules to remove it any other way than to veto it...admins can veto it but it is not a joke proposal; though it is also not a properly thought out one.
 * Even misguided proposal ideas can be valuable archived material: we can point to this in the future if anyone tries to demote Minus World from being a glitch again, saving us the trouble of phrasing out counter-arguments anew, and maybe even making the next proposer back down when they see their effort will be in vain. -

Allow up to 8 Personal Images
Currently, a user is allowed up to four personal images (plus one in their sig). I think it would do no harm to allow a few more. It wouldn't cause users to upload a ridiculous number of pics and turn the site into Photobucket. There aren't many users who even have one PI, so it wouldn't take up a lot of server space. I see no reason not to allow a few more PIs.

Proposer: Deadline: December 29, 17:00

Support

 * 1) – Per above.

Oppose

 * 1) - As the proposal states, there aren't many users who even have one PI, so I don't see why anyone would need that many.
 * 2) - We are the Mario Wiki, not MySpace. If you are here, your goal should be to improve the content of the site, not to showcase your images. There are enough means around the internet for those purposes.
 * 3) - Per Edofenrir, also you can just hotlink external images if you're in desparate need for them.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) &mdash; Eight? That's really excessive. Our current number of allowed PIs is fine. It allows enough room for a user to express themselves on their userpage, and even in their sig. It's no more of a hassle to upload your pictures to Photobucket or whatever and link to them here, than it is to upload your pictures here and link to them. That's what image-hosting sites are for; that is not what the Super Mario Wiki is for.
 * 7) WHOA! 8! per Edofenrir
 * 8) Who'd need eight personal images?
 * 9) -  Per all.
 * 10) - You want lots of PIs? Go to userpedia.
 * 11) - Per Edo, and Stooben Rooben. Seriously, 8 PIs? :S
 * 12) - Per all, who needs 8 Pi's? O_o