Category talk:Heroes

Does Professer E gadd count as a hero?
 * I'm not entirely sure, especially when concerned with the purposes of this category, but this category has some really odd characters in it. Alph, Jonathan Jones, Nastasia, T.T., Ōsama... The intro sentence implies that this category is for listing protagonists (as in, the leading/main characters), but in practice, it seems to be a hodgepodge of people who have done something vaguely good at some point or have been playable at any point. Before we start adding other people to this category, there really needs to be some sort of retooling done here.
 * OK, let's make some clarements...


 * Alph IS an hero. In Pikmin 3, it saves Britanny, then Charlie, and althogheter Louis and at teh end Olimar after the ship crashed. Saving 4 people doesn't counts as hero?
 * Jonathan Jones ISN'T an hero. What does he did? Retrieve the fifth Star Piece, and forcet Mario to fight to get it. Right, it helped him to stop some villains, but I don't think this classify him as hero. This means the Factory's Toad is an hero for rushing in somehow and offering items.
 * Nastasia? Not at all! She was on Count Bleck's side. At the end, she was just enourmously worried from what she did. I would like to remember she generated Mr. L, a semi-villain.
 * T.T. just supported the player, challenges him in a Staff Records-esque fashion and is needed to beat Wizpig. He helps none.
 * Osama is an hero just because he survived from the 8 bits? W-? Supporting, just like the SMB3 Kings.
 * E. Gadd is NOT an hero, or may he be? He gives Luigi the Poltergust, that, even if vital, is similar to the iconic character "It's danerous to go alone" from Zelda. Then he oversees Luigi. Nothing very important, but it may be. Depends if Zeldawiki trats the iconic character as hero.
 * In the context of the Mario series, though, Alph hasn't done much. It seems kinda weird to me that we'd cover Mario-related information for a character but categorize them through things outside of what we cover.
 * We should just categorize them based on their roles on the relevant media. Link would be considered a hero, but only because of his role in the Subspace Emissary in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and his major roles in some Club Nintendo comics. Kirby would be a hero for the same reason as Link, mostly. Alph does not qualify as a hero within the scope of this wiki. E. Gadd isn't really a hero; he's more of a mentor/supporting character. 15:25, 13 September 2014 (EDT)
 * All right, we've decided what we want to exclude, but perhaps a more concrete definition for a "hero" could come in handy. Right now, I'm honestly not certain how exactly I'd want to limit/phrase it.
 * A "hero" is a major, generally playable, protagonist from any series that is covered by the scope of our Wiki. You can basically build a framework around that. It's basically characters you control as in the games. In other media, it's the main person/people that drive the storyline. 15:51, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

And HOW is nabbing a hero? He may be playable in New Super Luigi U' but he steals stuff! Should I remove him?
 * @Reversinator @Mario Alph is hero then? As I said before, Pikmin storyline features him as the first playable character (also the fastest?). Saves Brittany, then Charlie. I don't know the whole facts, but I'm sure he was the only one never lost (the other got lost at least once more). Then they save Olimar from Formidable Oak (no, not the prof), AND their planet from hunger (best ending). So Alph, Brittany and Charlie (ABC, anyone?) are all heroes, but sadly Alph is the only one to ever appear as a character in Mario series. Olimar is not an hero though. He saved his friend Louis once, but in Pikmin 1/2 he simply massive crashed and had to repair the starship. @Joseph Nabbit, though mainly a pretty annoying enemy, is playable in NSLU as a Mario replacement, which pretty much classify him as an hero if 4 players clears Peach's Castle. He is also pretty useful to give 1-UPs to HIMSELF.
 * All of that is absolutely irrelevant. As we had clearly stated, we are only covering what's directly relevant to the Mario series. If a third-party character has traits in other games that are not seen here, we are not going to cover them. We only cover what they've done here. Olimar was part of the Subspace Emissary campaign, and gets his hero title from that. Alph hasn't done anything of the sort, and is thus not a hero.
 * As I stated, I don't own Brawl, so I don't know anything about it. Also, I'm an human.
 * You never stated (in this discussion, at least) that you don't own Brawl. Also, what in the world does your species have anything to do with this discussion? I know you're human. If you weren't, there'd be some serious ramifications.