Talk:N64 Kalimari Desert

Our current policy on 8DX reroutes creates an awkward situation with this track
Maybe I'm jumping the gun by not waiting until Wave 2's release, but I think this is something that needs discussion before our next move. In the TPP to decide how to handle the 8DX versions of the city courses, we also decided that had the same type of relationship to the original track as, say, Tokyo Blur 2 does, and would therefore also be affected in the same way as those courses by the proposal. What ended up winning the vote, and therefore becoming our current policy, is that the 8DX incarnations of the city courses should have their own articles, effectively being considered something like a "Tokyo Blur 5". That option didn't affect Kalimari Desert at the time.

However, now that Wave 2 has been revealed, it's been pointed out by several people on the internet that it seems to combine and  in the same way as the city courses. Under the policy set by that proposal, that means Kalimari Desert as it appears in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe needs to be its own separate article.

Firstly, it raises the question of what such an article would be called. Leaving aside that I've gone on record as disliking it, the naming scheme we used for and  wouldn't be able to apply.

Secondly, I can only speak for myself here, but I didn't foresee this happening when voting on the policy. Between this and concerns RSM has raised here about the MK8DX layouts later being added to Tour, it has me wondering if we should maybe rethink our policy on this. Perhaps I'm just overreacting to an unexpected situation, though.

What do you all think? Ahemtoday (talk) 15:13, July 28, 2022 (EDT)


 * I thought about this too. Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but it really depends on how much of a change this track would have. If racing on the 2 variant is completely optional, I feel we can pass it off as keeping them the way they are. But let's say that two laps are of the normal route and the final lap has you race the train tracks like in 2, then we'd have an interesting situation. It's not easy, since realistically, we can only be as consistent as Nintendo is and they have as much consistency as Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash has content; barely any. They're already treating a Tour original track as a new track and released several tracks before they even appeared in Tour, giving the latter the same treatment as Ninja Hideaway and making it seem like it's an 8 Deluxe track instead of a Tour track. I feel it'll be hard to find a solution that isn't going to be inconsistent in one way or another. If you want my personal suggestion, while likely won't be ideal to everyone, we create a which would talk about how Kalimari Desert is treated in 8 Deluxe, much like how the Tour tracks are treated. I kinda would oppose going back to merging the Tour tracks with their number 1 variants because they feel too different, as the 8 Deluxe versions aren't exclusively the 1 variants seen in Tour. 16:50, July 28, 2022 (EDT)


 * I definitely don't think we should return to treating 8DX's Tokyo Blur as identical to specifically Tokyo Blur 1 and no other courses. That was neither accurate nor easy to parse, so there wouldn't be much sense in going back to that. I moreso meant reconsidering the "merge all" option from that proposal - 1, 2, 3, 4, 8DX; the works, all in one article. That phrasing makes it sound like I'm pushing that as necessarily what we should do, which I'm not. I just think that maybe we ought to take another look at that concept. If we were to keep a full split (and maybe we should), seems like it would be the best solution. Ahemtoday (talk) 17:12, July 28, 2022 (EDT)


 * I likely won't oppose merging them all into one, if push comes to shove and it is deemed the best option by many others, but keeping them split the way they are now and creating a separate article for Kalimari Desert's appearance in 8 Deluxe would be my preferred solution. 17:16, July 28, 2022 (EDT)


 * the most obvious solution would be to merge articles together to prevent a confusing network of articles. honestly - three articles for one course, all of which are pretty similar in design, is a little too much in my opinion. with that said; i personally don't see an issue with keeping the MK8D content on this article as it is explained perfectly as it is, i believe. alternatively, i also dont see anything wrong with merging the Kaliamri Desert articles together. having a section in the Mario Kart Tour portion that says theres a re-route that uses the tunnel called does also seem like a simple option. however, the threat of there being more instances like this in the future is there, so the safest thing to do is to merge them together to prevent a mess of articles for content that is almost identical, and simply update pre-existing course articles if this is to ever happen again, thats what i think. - RSM 17:56, July 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * i made a page of what a combined article roughly would look like. the only real issue i think it has is the list of Tours it is in is a little too long, however im sure theres a way to turn the Tours list in the infobox into a [show] [hide] sort of thing.- RSM 18:14, July 29, 2022 (EDT)


 * I kind of speculated that the MK8DX version of Kalimari Desert would incorporate both Kalimari Desert 1 and 2 from Tour before the course was even announced for the Booster Course Pass, which only adds to my reasoning for merging the Tour city track variants from the proposal all those months ago. Back then, I also mentioned Kalimari Desert 2 would be merged with the original Kalimari Desert if the mergers passed through, and even pointed out Kalimari Desert 2's minimap in Tour is basically the same as the original Kalimari Desert in Mario Kart 64 anyway. Arend (talk) 18:22, August 1, 2022 (EDT)