MarioWiki:Proposals

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Merge all doctor versions of characters into their respective article (excluding Dr. Mario)
Currently, with the recent release of Dr. Mario World as well as recent information planning many more doctor variants of characters, I propose that we merge all doctor alter-egos into their respective articles. As it stands, there's going to be plenty of them, and having separate articles for all variants of each character is excessive and makes it difficult to navigate. It's also not like none of the information they have can't easily be stated in their respective articles under a respective Dr. Mario World header and adding necessary information to their respective stats pages.

Of course, Dr. Mario himself is an exception to this rule, solely because he has appeared as a separate character from Mario in the Super Smash Bros. series (and a weird obscure Kondansha's Mario manga) and considering his veteran status of appearing in multiple games of a series even named after himself, I think it's better off his page remains the way it is.

Articles affected:


 * Dr. Luigi
 * Dr. Bowser
 * Dr. Peach
 * Dr. Toad
 * Dr. Yoshi (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
 * Dr. Toadette (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
 * Dr. Bowser Jr. (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
 * Dr. Wendy (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
 * Dr Ludwig (red-linked on the Dr. Mario World page)
 * Any of the potential planned doctor characters (eg Dr. Baby Luigi)

Proposer: Deadline: July 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) I really just want an excuse to write Dr. Baby Luigi. Yes he's canon now.
 * 2) Per Baby Luigi. No, not this one.
 * 3) - These aren't separate characters or a new power-up, it's literally the same character in a different outfit. While that and the new abilities could qualify them as a power-up, there's no "Doctor Mushroom" or anything involved here.
 * 4) - I'm almost certain that it's just a costume intended to fit the aesthetic of the series, so full support.
 * 5) oh no they have a different outfit, clearly we must overanalyze the same character by trying to make a new page for it. Yeah...no. As Alex said over there, there is no transformation or change here besides clothing. If we were to switch how we approach costume changes to all other games, think of how truly awful Super Mario Odyssey would be. With the exception of like...Luigi, most of those pages are short enough that an extra paragraph wouldn't hurt.
 * 6) Per Trig Jegman.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all. Although, I'm wondering if Dr. Luigi should be kept because he was in other games...but that would be the only reason to keep his article.
 * 9) Per proposal, though if we're going to limit coverage of the doctor personas then I figure we should also add a character identifier to the current "Dr. Mario" article and make either the game or series the main article.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) The moment I saw the potential for all those other Dr. characters, I immediately thought "are all these articles REALLY going to be necessary?" Heck I even thought of making a proposal myself, but you beat me too it. Either way, I fully support merging all of them into their original characters (and despite his earlier establishment, even Dr. Luigi). I also agree with Dr. Mario as the exception. Basically, you beat me to the punch so per all.
 * 12) Yeah, my immediate thought was that this is going way overboard and only done for consistency with Dr. Mario. If there was more to say about their doctor personas, I'd think twice, but there's barely anything interesting to say about them, even Dr. Luigi.
 * 13) Per all, I was planning on questioning this myself anyway.
 * 14) Sure, per all.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) Strongly agree. These characters are clearly just the same regular ones with a coat and some sort of doctor license, they are not separate. I would argue that even if we treat Dr. Mario as separate as well due to him being in more stuff and such, he is technically just Mario in the end, just another variant and we know variants of characters can appear in the same capacity during events such as Mario Kart for example. Bottom line aside from Dr. Mario, i think others having their own page would be more confusing, messy and highly pointless.
 * 17) Per all.
 * 18) Per proposal; I started having second thoughts as more doctors were announced (though I should have anticipated this with it having gacha elements and all).
 * 19) Per all.
 * 20) That intrigued me for a while. Proof that they're separate?
 * 21) Per all.
 * 22) Dr. Mario is a dirty doctor.
 * 23) Especially considering what is stated in the comments - that these doctors literally are just outfit changes, not even forms - and considering how many pages with little content would need to be made, it's just better to add these to the character pages
 * 24) Agreed. Dr. Mario being the only exception because of Smash.
 * 25) I would even take it a step further and simply merge all of the non-Smash Dr. Mario info into the Mario article, but this is at least a start.
 * 26) Per all.
 * 27) Per all.
 * 28) Per all.
 * 29) Per all.  These Doctor forms don't need separate articles at all.  I'd even take Toadette's line of reasoning here because Smash is the only thing that really makes Dr. Mario distinct.  But at the very least, I would also give the games identifier priority over the "characters" with the passing of this proposal.
 * 30) Per all.

Comments
@HEROMARIO: No, they're not different characters - the opening scene after Stage 10 literally has Peach and Bowser throw on doctor clothing to help Mario stop the virus outbreak in the Mushroom Kingdom. Secondly, their stats are different? Every single Mario spin-off game has each character go through slightly different statistics each game, so that argument is also not valid at all. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 16:26, July 10, 2019 (EDT)
 * Shouldn't this be a multi-option proposal? Consistent with the Bowser forms proposal, if there is someone interested in merging everyone including Dr. Mario (which i'd prefer it stays). -- 02:01, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Merging Dr. Mario would be a mess, and even if it passed the page would have to remain to cover Smash. I doubt anyone would support it. And even if Dr. Mario is just Mario, there's precedent for splitting alter-egos that have enough information to warrant their own article. Besides, just because it's not an option here doesn't mean it can't be brought up as a TPP later. -- 13:30, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * With the "General information" section I added back on December 29, 2018 (yeah, don't ask me how I remember these dates), Dr. Mario's article would have to remain not just to cover his Smash appearances, but information relating to his design, design evolution, alternate outfits, and evolution of his portrayals. Yeah, I agree with Waluigi Time; if Mr. L and Rookie can stay, then so can D.M. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 21:26, July 14, 2019 (EST(

Add RARS to Template:Ratings
RARS is Russian Age Rating System. There are already Mario games that have been classified by this system. So why not add it to the template? Sorry for my bad English. Update: Looks like we need to add GRAC and GSRR too.

Proposer: Deadline: July 19, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * Да, we already cover other age ratings, why not this one?
 * 1) Also  (S. Korea) and  (Taiwan) should be added.
 * 2) no reason not to, methinks
 * 3) Since we already cover many age ratings, it makes sense to cover this one as well
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) Per all, especially Delfino4.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Ладно, почему бы и нет.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Пер Баби Луиджи.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) Per all.  There isn't any real reason to include the ratings of some countries but not others.

Comments
How isn't it distinct from it? -- 12:12, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, this is going to be very very hard to do, heres a list, don’t get mad if I miss anything or get it out of order, I am doing my best..., no dk on this list:


 * Donkey kong
 * Donkey Kong Jr.
 * Mario Bros.
 * Super Mario Bros.
 * Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
 * (Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic) Super Mario Bros. 2
 * Super Mario Bros. 2 USA
 * Super Mario Bros. 3
 * Super Mario Land.
 * Super Mario World
 * Super Mario Kart
 * Super Mario Land 2. 6 Golden Coins
 * Super Mario RPG
 * Super Mario 64
 * Paper Mario
 * Mario Kart 64
 * Mario Party
 * Mario Party 2
 * Mario Party 3
 * Luigi’s Mansion
 * Etc...
 * Do you get the point??? But, I am Joining because we need all ratings. 12:21, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

RARS was created in 2012. So, only games released after that have RARS rating, I think.-- 12:36, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Moreover, Nintendo didn't actually localize any games into Russian until the release of the Switch. Also, the specific RARS you refer to doesn't have its own Wikipedia article, so how do you plan to rectify that issue? 12:41, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * 1. Nintendo started localizing into Russian after 3DS release (SM3DL was first)
 * 2. There's only |article in Russian language. Also, in Microsoft Store you need to write rating in RARS too . Xbox page - -- 13:01, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Create a Mario Party 11 redirect
This may sound kind of stupid, but I'm sure that there are people out there who'll automatically assume that Super Mario Party is called Mario Party 11. Super Mario Party is the eleventh Mario Party title to come out on a home console, and thus, when compared to the overall Mario Party series of 25 games, it's the 11th main game, due to the other 14 installments being either handheld or arcade. Harkening to the Mario Kart games, Super Mario Kart-Mario Kart Wii have redirects numbered 1-6. If the first six Mario Kart games warrant numbered redirects, then I really don't see why Super Mario Party cannot be treated in the same manner.

Proposer: Deadline: July 20, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) - Per proposal
 * 4) Per proposal, especially Scrooge200's findings.
 * 5) I don't see why not. There was a counterproposal to restore the fan-made Mario Party redirects.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) per all
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Sure, per all.
 * 12) Per all, this makes sense.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Per all above votes and my proposal about the Mario Kart redirects.
 * 15) - I was initially against it, having had to delete the redirect when it was initially created. But since Birdo actually calls it the eleventh party in-game, per proposal.

Comments
Here's the proposal in question in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario Party does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game. 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Does someone know what is the corresponding Japanese text, by the way?--Mister Wu (talk) 11:32, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Strategies
I noticed the Wiki doesn't really allow much strategies on here for boss battles for example. But I personally think it would be a good thing to have on here since if there are users who rely on the wiki as a guide for certain things (which I usually do), then it would be very helpful. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki has strategies on it so why not here?

Proposer: Deadline: July 22, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) I know I'm not the best with words, but surely this sort of thing can't hurt right?
 * 2) That seems plausible.
 * 3) This isn’t much different from including solutions to puzzles for RPGs.

Oppose

 * 1) While I do believe showcasing strategies wouldn't be a bad idea, the thing is that different strategies work for different people. A section for strategies could get filled up really easily if multiple people use different tactics for the same fight. Sure, there aren't a whole lot of ways to beat bosses in the core games, but for RPG titles, there are so many ways to defeat bosses, which leads to many different strategies. A strategy section would just end up getting filled with so many different opinions and this Wiki sticks to more official material over fan material.
 * OK, imagine this. Megaleg gets a strategy section containing one strategy. Climb up the legs and make the Bullet Bills blow up the cage. Another user might add another strategy, like, say, running up the back leg to get the 1-Up there. And it goes on, with things like "Destroy all of the second cage for a guarantee at blowing up the inner cage!" (which would be slightly impractical, as the cage regenerates) and "No, just lure two bullets like you're supposed to!". This would lead to unnecessary editwars and constant disruption.
 * 1) "The Kingdom Hearts Wiki has strategies on it so why not here?" Because we'e not the Kingdom Hearts Wiki, i.e. we have our own standards for determining how much of a level we should cover. I've actually wondered if we couldn't be a bit more descriptive in terms of stages and the like, but at the same time I recognize that MarioWiki's goals isn't to tell people how to play the games - there's countless strategy guides and walkthroughs for that, and the multiple methods of clearing a level, along with the varying skill levels of players, make it more than a little impractical (and that's before factoring in the likely edit wars from treating these pages as such). KHWiki found something that works, good for them, but we do things differently, and by the standard here that doesn't seem like too good of an idea.

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