Talk:Recorder

5 whistles?
Somebody once told me he saw someone get 5 whistles. Does anyone know anything about this? Zoidberg 09:34, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Sounds like a lie. There are only three Warp Whistles in the game. -- Son of Suns

I thought so to, but I thought I'd check. I though maybe it was some sort of game genie thing or something.Zoidberg 09:54, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Is the fourth Warp Whistle real?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFHfXNAcHVk

This video is a response to the alleged Fourth Warp Whistle trick from the Japanese release, and comes to the conclusion that the World 5-1 glitch will not yield a Warp Whistle. This glitch may need further testing because it may not be legit. LinkTheLefty 16:42, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

More Whistles?
Here is a letter from Princess Peach received at the end of Ice Land:

Greetings,

I am well. Please retrieve the Magic Whistle hidden in the darkness at the end of the Third World. I have enclosed a jewel that helps protect you.

Princess Toadstool.

Is this a mistake or are there more than three Warp Whistles? Also, in the letter received at the end of Giant Land, the princess says "The thief who stole the Whistle has escaped to the east side of the Sand Dunes." However, any level with sand is in Desert Land, two worlds earlier! So... how come Mario gets this hint after he can't make use of it? Is there some way to go backwards? Ultimate Mr. L (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Third World can be referring to the third level, that's what I think. For the latter, I believe if Mario can't go backward, it's meant as a hint if the player replays the game. 21:38, 6 September 2016 (EDT)

Warp Whistle or Recorder
I want to move this, but I think it should be discussed about before moving. The main reason I want to move this is the warp whistle makes an appearance in Paper Mario: Color Splash in the Super Mario Bros. 3 style. It becomes a recorder if squeezed. I think a move makes more sense. I want to hear from some people before doing so. 14:24, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I disagree, since the name Warp Whistle comes from Super Mario Bros. 3, and remains so throughout all of the games remakes such as Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance 4, which are all main series games, while Paper Mario: Color Splash is just a single spin-off game. 14:36, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Paper Mario: Color Splash also shows the Recorder in its 8-bit sprite when it first appears, and it is dedicated with a "From the Developers!" note in the digital manual. I think it makes perfect sense - it's actually the original name, but the Magic/Warp Whistle terminology lost that connection. Technically, the article should be renamed anyway since "Warp Whistle" seems to come from a later guide and "Magic Whistle" is directly used in one of the princess letters and overall more consistent, though "Recorder" should really get title priority. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

The requirements for the number of people for me to make a definite decision is 10 users including myself. Patrollers and Administrators count as 2, while Proprietor and Bureaucrat count as 5. 12:32, 10 October 2016 (EDT)


 * Uhh... there's no need to think about a points system like that. And high ranks do not mean more weight in discussions. Just create a TPP if there are mixed opinions about your suggestion.


 * 13:12, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I put up the point system because this is how they will impact my decision. I respect the decision of authority. I do not want to do a TPP yet. I think it can be settled with this. But if I decide to do a talk page proposer, the number of people that vote will be based on a regular TPP and not like what I did here. 13:21, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
 * If you want to do this, start a TPP. You're not allowed to do your own system. - Reboot (talk) 13:23, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
 * To be honest, I only put that there because it didn't have a very high attention. I didn't know why. 10 people seemed easier to based off of than what is there. 13:52, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

I have a few reasons why I don't want to create a TPP.

1. I don't have enough information to create it (this doesn't mean I don't know how to create a TPP). Although, someone else could create it with the proper information.

2. It is not really necessary. Basically, because of this section, I don't feel it is necessary to create a TPP.

3. There are 7 proposals out there, 6 of which are TPP. Just because this is a TPP doesn't mean that it will have more attention there than here. I know that I can have two proposals running at the same time, but that is not the issue here.

4. There is no exact time restraint. While I want to have a census quickly, I am ok with it taking a while. Also, it will be easier to move or not to move if I can execute it right away.

14:22, 10 October 2016 (EDT)


 * I would say create a separate page for Recorder and mention it here. But I have limited knowledge of the connection between the two, so I could be wrong.
 * 22:17, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
 * The warp whistle sprite is in the Super Mario Bros. 3 style, but if squeezed, it will be a recorder like the one in real life. The music that plays when the thing card is used is the Super Mario Bros. 3 warp zone music. 22:26, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

Basically, this is asking if Warp Whistle, Magic Whistle, or Recorder is the most common modern name as all three have a confirmed source(s). 10:11, 4 November 2016 (EDT)

Rename Warp Whistle to Recorder or Magic Whistle
There is a discussion above about this, but to reiterate, the term Warp Whistle only seems to have had official use in the Super Mario All-Stars guide, whereas all Super Mario Bros. 3 instruction booklets - including the one that came with Super Mario All-Stars and the standalone NES version guide - refer to it as Magic Whistle. However, the item shows up again in Paper Mario: Color Splash under the name Recorder, first as its sprite form before being converted into a card, and is also referred to as such in the digital manual's developer's notes. Incidentally, the name is actually a direct reference to the item's original appearance as one of the useable treasures shown in the opening demo of The Legend of Zelda.

To summarize:

Recorder - This is simultaneously the original and latest name as well as the only one viewed in-game, and in strict accordance with policy, should be the one used as the article title.

Magic Whistle - This name came from the Super Mario Bros. 3 instruction booklets, so it theoretically should be the name most associated with the Mario series, and policy does mention "most commonly used English name" to consider.

Warp Whistle - This name is only known to officially come from a Super Mario All-Stars guide; however, for what it's worth, it seems to be widely-used in popular culture according to the references in other media section of the article.

Proposer: Deadline: August 31, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Rename to Recorder

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) This is the current name used in Paper Mario: Color Splash.
 * 3) "Recorder" is the most recent name used.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) You have my support. Per all and above section.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Look we can't let nostalgia overcome our own policies. If this is the name used in the vast majority of situations then that's what we should use.

Rename to Magic Whistle

 * 1) Wait, how are these the same two items? If the Warp Whistle is called the Magic Whistle in Super Mario Bros. 3, then shouldn't we be calling these Magic Whistles instead of Warp Whistles?
 * 2) While the sprite is reused in Color Splash, the function is not.
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 - The item warps Mario/Luigi to the Warp Zone, allowing them to choose from a selection of worlds to travel to.
 * Paper Mario: Color Splash - This time, it's a Battle Card used offensively, a totally different function from in SMB3.
 * I don't believe the two appearances should be treated as the same thing and find it clear that the appearance in Color Splash is a reference, not an appearance. Therefore, I think the article should be split into (as it is called that in-game in SMB3 (see my comment above)) and  (covering the card in Color Splash)

Keep as Warp Whistle

 * 1) The "Clone Jump" sticker uses the Goomba's Shoe, but it's different. Admittedly, so is the function, but most widely-used official name is stated to be used under MarioWiki:Naming.
 * 2) Per Doc von Shmeltwick.
 * 3) the Warp Whistle name is simply too iconic for any other option to be considered viable.

Comments
This seems rather cut-and-dry to me. "Recorder" is the most recent name, plus it's been used in-game. I know there's some consideration to be given for the most popular names, but that mainly for when Prima calls the Swoopers a Bat again. 21:19, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
 * On that note, recent games call Swoopers "Swoops," which makes me want to bang my head against a wall. And SMG Swoopers are Enigmas, apparently. 20:20, 17 August 2017 (CT)
 * Arbitrary names changes: the bane of wikis everywhere. 21:22, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
 * "And SMG Swoopers are Enigmas, apparently." wait what Niiue (talk) 01:34, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
 * I believe the Japanese Mario Encyclopedia listed them as such, was it Mario JC I head it from? I can't remember.... 02:20, 18 August 2017 (CT)
 * I found about it on the Japanese Wikipedia, asked Mister Wu about it, and he confirmed it. SmokedChili (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

(Meant to type this up last night, but router got turned off) I have a different solution to all of this. Can "Recorder" just be split? While it still summons tornadoes, it doesn't actually have a warping function, instead being used offensively. 16:14, 19 August 2017 (CT)

@SmokedChili: On that note, I really don't think it's deliberate, mainly because of the obvious copyright reasons. Enigma also has an entirely different way of attacking where it spontaneously splits into many smaller bats, and the Super Mario Galaxy bat's internal name in both games matches Swoop's Japanese romanization. Why, of all the things that could return from Super Mario RPG, this one very obscure and fairly unremarkable enemy, and if this is so, why not make it more recognizable? It just doesn't add up; it makes more sense to connect it to Mega Man. At best, it is another unintentionally reused name.

@Doc von Schmeltwick: No, because the cards in Paper Mario: Color Splash already have their own article, and one split is asking for all the others to be split. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:17, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Shouldn't we keep Warp Whistle as a redirect? Plenty of people refer to it as that...  ~Camwood777  15:04, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Of course we'll keep it as a redirect. 15:08, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

OK, what? This entire proposal is based off of a bunch of speculation that goes beyond my standards. How in the world can you say that the Warp Whistle and the Recorder are the same exact item? You CAN'T! 15:59, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
 * I can't find an image of it here, but from what I've seen on YouTube, the Warp Whistle and Recorder look the same to me. It also appears to act as a homage to Super Mario Bros. 3, the game the Warp Whistle first appeared in, by playing the same Zelda tune and SMB3 melodies. The effects may be different, but it appears to be very obviously one and the same. 16:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT)