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Recreate the numbered Mario Kart redirects
The recent controversy over the new Throw Block redirect threw me back to a certain proposal made almost two years ago. Yes, I'm talking about this travesty that, despite being a clear violation of the redirect policy then, and even moreso now, still somehow passed 12-7, deleting all the numbered Mario Kart redirects that could have actually helped people who wanted to know what, say, the fourth Mario Kart game was.

All the reasons given on the support side of that linked proposal are flawed. To quote my vote in that proposal: "According to Redirects, "If there's even a small chance that a redirect will help someone, it's not useless." And while there may only be one person in the world who calls them that, that's more then zero; hence, they're not useless."

That point still stands up today, and in fact, our current redirect policy, in bold text even, says, "There is no need to delete alternate name, conjectural, or spelling-mistake redirects unless they are specifically too silly or too general." It really couldn't be more clear than that.

I don't know how that proposal passed by such a wide margin, or why no one's attempted to overturn it since, but it's time to right this wrong that's haunted me for eighteen months.

Proposer: Deadline: May 16, 2019, 11:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal, my vote in the last one, and in fact literally the entire opposition in the last one.
 * 2) Reading this proposal has convinced me that those sorts of redirects are fine, as long as they help at least one person navigate the wiki. Per YoshiFlutterJump.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Yeah, I never really liked the idea of having those numbered redirects deleted. Someone unfamiliar with the franchise might want to know what the fourth Mario Kart game is and search up "mario kart 4" and find Double Dash!!, which is what redirects are for. There are still some "(series) (number)" redirects still lying around that were never taken care of either.
 * 7) Undeleting it like Blurp (Yoshi's Story) seems plausible, and redirecting is fine, but not outright deleted.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.

Comments
There has to be some sort of notability line we draw when it comes to making redirects. Otherwise you can use that "redirects are never useless" argument to justify all sorts of names like Mayro Kratt and Luggy. Who actually calls Mario Kart Double Dash by its numerical order on the franchise? Common sense is applied here, and I don't see the rationale for making numerical redirects convincing and they do not establish what sort of line we draw on redirects. Rather, it just seems this proposal is just "create redirects because we can". 18:51, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's all a matter of "Oh, I wonder what the fourth Mario Kart is...I'll just try typing in 'Mario Kart 4' and see what I get". Not everyone is going to have the immediate urge to type in "Mario Kart (series)" to see what the fourth Mario Kart was.  Why take them to the search page when we already know what they want?  It's inconveniencing our readers on purpose, which is counterproductive to our goal as a wiki.  And also, we don't have "Mayro Kratt" or "Luggy" because they're deemed too silly to be any use.  That's entirely irrelevant to this. - 19:08, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
 * Except those are completely nonsensical terms, which is specifically what Redirects discourages. The numbered ones at least have some validity. 20:06, May 9, 2019 (EDT)

I guess that is a counterproposal? -- 11:39, May 10, 2019 (EDT)
 * You could call it that. This proposal aims to directly overturn the one from November 2017, and recreate all redirects that were deleted because of said proposal. - 12:18, May 10, 2019 (EDT)

Wouldn't these numbered redirects fall under being too general though? SmokedChili (talk) 04:16, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * A redirect that is too general would be one that could refer to multiple things (excluding certain abbreviation redirects). For example, MK2 could only refer to the second Mario Kart game, Mario Kart 64. Even then, as mentioned we already have other numbered redirects such as Super Smash Bros. 3.  06:03, May 11, 2019 (EDT)

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