Talk:Donkey Kong

I think this article has too much to do with the game, Donkey Kong, and not enough to do with the character. Does the lawsuit about the arcade game really matter in the Donkey Kong article? Waluigi Freak 99 09:35, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
 * Some of the info, mainly under Sequels and spin-offs, needs to be moved to the arcade game. ayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/24/Wayoshisig.png 11:32, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Merge
Why would you merge a character with a game? They both deserve their own articles. -- Steve (talk) 12:00, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Question
If his Mario Baseball bio names Cranky as the original DK, doesnt that prove it? - User: Ultimatetoad

Well either way, Does'nt it prove that this DK is NOT the original? - User: Ultimatetoad


 * The biography that is written in this article may have been written incorrectly. Can someone check the game and see if it says "Cranky Kong" or just "Donkey Kong's ancestor"? Regardless, the game indicates that the current DK is not the original DK. -- Son of Suns

Theeeeeeeeeeeen, Shouldnt we make three articles? One for the original DK, one for Cranky Kong, and one for the modern DK? - User: Ultimatetoad


 * Ummm...no. Cranky Kong is most likely the original Donkey Kong. Any info about Donkey Kong should be placed in this article, but mention that the mantle of "Donkey Kong" was passed on to Donkey Kong Jr. (likely the modern Donkey Kong). -- Son of Suns

O.K., I did a little reworking to the article. - User: Ultimatetoad

"sigh" sorry. I misunderstood you. So to make sure I 'Don't now, should I delete the original DK info from Cranky Kong? - User: Ultimatetoad


 * Well, we can make a short summary of that, as Cranky is most likely the original DK. However, that paragraph should direct us to the Donkey Kong page (like the Baby Mario section of the Mario article redirects to Baby Mario). -- Son of Suns
 * But, it's not "most likely" is. Cranky Kong is the original DK.  It's officially confirmed by MSB.  I'm fine with the clarification, but information specific to the Donkey Kong from the arcade games shouldn't be here, but instead on Cranky's page, right?  Would you like me to search the history section for the edits I made to this effect that were later reverted?  01:21, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Box art
Ok whoever is deleting the boxart could you please stop? I'm tired of reposting them over and over again. --Taj The Genie 22:14, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Ok that's it
Once I get all the pictures back this article needs to be locked! I'm sick of posting these pictures over and over again and they keep getting deleted by a vandal! So please lock this article when all the pictures are back up. --Taj The Genie 22:39, 28 January 2007 (EST)
 * Its me who is deleting the pics. they are of Kiddy, Diddy, and Dixie. No revelence to DK. Find artwork of DK from those games and then we will keep'em. -- 22:43, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Yes and he is NO vandal. Also the boxart doesn't look so good... Paper Jorge

Ok I get it give it a rest. And it's not all about how the picture looks. --Taj The Genie 22:49, 28 January 2007 (EST)
 * thepics look great, but Dk isn't the center of the image, its dk's article, not the others' -- 22:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Who's moving the Kongs picture to the New Quest section? It belongs in the Back in the Spotlight section, so whoevers moving it could you please stop? --Taj The Genie 22:55, 28 January 2007 (EST)


 * First of all, please use the correct image placement. thumb|left or right|description . Note that using pixel sizes are only on a few exceptions. The images in the article are getting too big, aren't they? Plus, be sure that the pic is relevant to the character and section you are placing it in. And try to get DK in alone, not surrounded by the other kongs.
 * Second, boxart should Never be in a character article. If you can't find a pic for the section, just leave it alone.
 * Third (and unrelated), why is the Donkey Kong in the biography section? Should be under other events.

ummm...sorry, but I started to move boxart to this page. It was back when it needed more images. I added the one with DK (The original DKC) to the page. I did'nt mean for other boxart to be used. so...sorry. - User: Ultimatetoad

Too Many Images
There are too many images in the biography section, cluttering up the words. I was trying to warn all of you of this... 12:48, 29 January 2007 (EST)

I noticed that aswell, I think maybe one or two should be removed. -- Sir Grodus

The pics could work if there were more text in the sections, I will put them back after I rework this article. The article has too much information about the games and not enough about his adventures.

Artwork
I think we should stop changing the artwork and just stick with the we have now.--Taj The Genie 19:26, 25 February 2007 (EST)

What do we need to do to make this article better?
Many people want this article rewritten and lot's of us are doing what we can. So what can we do to make this a better article? --Taj The Genie 02:34, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

From reading the first two paragraphs, I can tell it's poorly written. The first paragraph drags in readers, and it is quite bland. The second paragraph has almost every sentence start with "Donkey Kong" and is very bland. There's no description of any of the other Kongs, and both paragraphs are quite short. Reading on a bit, some of the game description paragraphs are extremely short (such as "Life as a Baby", which is one sentence long), and most need to be rewritten to include better grammar, sentence and paragraph structure, as well as more info. Start on that, and see how much better it gets.

DK Crankey Controversy
Should we make a special page article on this controversy?-Pal101

I think there should be a disambiguation page in place. I  am   Confused  12:36, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeah I was about to suggest that-Pal101

There's a page about that at the Mushroom Kingdom,(the Mario fan site). How bout we link there? -Nerdy Guy

Image
I think the SSB image needs to be improved... I mean, is DK been attacked? It's very hard to tell what he's doing, and you can't really see him. Super Mario 256 15:49, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

He's Ground Punding with his hands. A common move in Several DK Games. Angry Sun 23:13, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Something I've been thinking about...
Why is it that the original 3 DK Games say that Donkey Kong is the character and not Cranky? Perhaps a "(Cranky Kong at the time)"? Angry Sun 23:15, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

DK Jet Image and the Future Section Edit
I added a little extra space after the "Future" section so that that pesky line wouldn't be going clean through the image any more. Please let me know if this was an inappropriate edit, and feel free to revert it. I just felt that this fine image deserved better than to have a line clear through it. 10:57, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Original DK
If Cranky is indeed the Original DK, then wouldn't the modern Donkey Kong be Donkey Kong Junior? It does imply that, but doesn't say that. MamaWaluigi 14:10, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Although in the original Donkey Kong Country games made by Rare it was implied that Cranky was the original DK, now Nintendo, Paon, and any other company that makes Donkey Kong games presently, have never stated wether or not this is true. It may have just been intentionally forgotten, sort of like how Tiny Kong was originally Dixie Kong's 'little sister'.
 * That doesn't mean it doesn't hold. And for the Tiny Kong and Dixie Kong thing, age doesn't hold hormones. People get hormones at different ages. MamaWaluigi 19:21, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Who is DK
Not to say that the article should turn a certain way, but this article keeps on switching between ideas. In the Who is DK section, we state that it is confirmed that he isn't the original DK, but in other sections like the DK Jr. (relationships) section we state that it's his son! Just pick one for God's sake!!! HyperToad
 * THANK YOU! We all know that the original DK was retconed to be Cranky Kong, so why did you guys revert my edits way back?  Whoa... I'm still spiteful about that.  That's not good.  Anyway, HyperToad, my edits were about the biography section, so could I put those back in?  12:28, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * I dunno, what were they? HyperToad This article needs to be cleaned up.
 * This is about as good as I can do to show the differences: http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong&diff=306297&oldid=196161 The sections that got deleted were the first three DK games (although I think I may have removed or severely limited the section about DK3 b/c DK Jr. wasn't there) along with DK math. Once DK Jr. was out of the picture, people were fine with my edits.  So, yeah.  Take a peek and see if you want DK (Game Boy), DK Jr., and DK Jr. Math put back in there.  23:15, 8 January 2008 (EST)

I'm saying we have 3 options:


 * 1) Say throughout the article that he is the original DK
 * 2) Say throughout the ENTIRE article that he is DK Jr.
 * 3) Say it's unknown.

We can NOT keep on switching back and forth! In the original DK game section it speaks as if he is the DK seen there, but in the DKC section it says he is a grown up DK Jr. PICK ONE! HyperToad
 * And I'm saying you're right. Number 2, definately.  I don't care if it wasn't "spelled out," because Nintendo and Rare assumed that its players wouldn't be silly like this, so... Number 2.  What do you say, HT?  21:54, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Of course, number 2 is the truth. Just because it hasn't been restated a minor time direct by saying "Donkey Kong used to be DK Jr." doesn't mean it's not true. But who's gonna make the change? HyperToad

On a related note, should the Yoshi's Island DS section be kept when it's changed? HyperToad

maybe it's like link ya know, more than one of him.

Definately, Hyper Toad. We shouldn't make the assumption that that was Cranky until we get some kind of confirmation. 16:11, 24 January 2008 (EST)

So the Original DK game section has to go first of all. HyperToad
 * What's about keeping the section and stating somewhere that Nintendo can't settle their minds on the subject? Rareware says DKC Donkey is a grownup Donkey Kong Jr and Nintendo seems to agree... 'till they retcon it away in some game (Mario VS Donkey Kong, I think) and says DK has alway been the same. And then Namco come along and says Donkey is a grownup Donkey Kong Jr. in the baseball game. It's all realy confusing.
 * Blitzwing: How was it retconed? Are you talking about the "Mario squares off against his original foe?"  ...because I think that was just advertisement material (still legit, but in the face of the other sources, Namco and Rare, I dunno.)  14:38, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * About the retcon stuff.. Well, I remmember that the guys at that "Donkey Kong Universe" fansite are alway whining about how Nintendo retconed the current DK origin, or something. I don't want to go to that hatefull, eyesore of a forum again, so I can't give specific examples. but I know Nintendo contraticted the stuff about DK origin somewhere, that's for sure.
 * Perhaps in the cartoon shows? 01:40, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Main picture
What game is the main picture from? And the one from the "physical appearence" section, where's that from? 20:25, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, his most recent adventure appearance. If you are interested in the DK series, you can still buy it new from online retailers.  01:36, 1 March 2008 (EST)


 * Both the main picture and the one in the physical appearance? And I'm not interested in the series, I just think whenever there's a picture, there should be a note of where it's from. Would I be able to add a summary of the picture, or can only the person who uploads it do that? Otherwise, it should say in the caption, "from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat".
 * Yup. Both of 'em.  You can edit an image page as you would a standard page.  Should be something like:  There's a place for source, but only the uploader of the image can tell you that.  If you find the image elsewhere, re-upload it, overwriting the old image, and add the source where you found it.  12:33, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Grandson
The current Donkey Kong is the grandson of the original Donkey Kong (aka Cranky Kong). Nintendo has actually gone back and forth (see ), but the current stance seems to be that he is the grandson. This means that he is the son of Donkey Kong Jr. (who has been absent for quite some time, other than the occasional sports appearance). TJ Spyke 17:12, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Uh... all this is confusing. I'm wondering, where's the proof Cranky Kong is the Donkey Kong who kidnapped Pauline? It could be that current Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong Jr., Cranky Kong is Donkey Kong Jr.'s grandfather (original Donkey Kong's father), and the original Donkey Kong is the one who hasn't shown up. (Sigh) sometimes I wish you could just ask Nintendo about these things. 18:26, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Ever played Donkey Kong Country? --Trogga 18:35, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

No. Well, maybe a friend of mine had it for GBA, an I played a few levels, but that's it. 18:46, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Watch Out
Some guy is putting arguements about DK-Cranky controversy in sections other than the section that's about it. I found "If Cranky is the original DK, the why hasn't Mario aged?" or something of that likeness in the Trivia Section. That makes no sense. T.T User:Thedude344510:58 PM EST May 29, 2008

Actually, gorillas get aged before humans. Drmgin 15:45, 9 January 2009 (EST)

The truth
Ok, we talked about that a lot, but seems like there's still someone who's unsure about DK's identity (he is the original? his son? or his grandson?) The section in this page seems to tell how the things are, but doesn't really explains much. Here is how things really are once and for all. DK appeared in his game without tie. ok. in the sequel appeared his son, DK Jr. ok. Now, in the Game Boy remake (Donkey Kong '94) they returned and DK was redesigned to wear a tie (yes, THIS is the first appearence of the tie, not DK Country, so in the most recent design of the original DK he wears a tie). The same year Rare created DK Country. The original idea was: DK is the same of the original; on his side there's a redesigned DK Jr.; then there is the grandpa, Cranky Kong, a new character. But Nintendo didn't like DK Jr's new design, so Rare rewrote the story: DK is a grown up DK Jr.; the redesigned DK Jr. is a new character: Diddy Kong; Cranky Kong is the original DK. So, the truth is DK is Cranky's son? It should be, but for some reason in DKC he says Cranky is his grandfather (maybe a remaining of the original version of the plot). Things just started to get confused as Nintendo took the grandfather theory as right, while Rare continued with DK as Cranky's son. So, in Rare games DK IS Cranky's son, while in Nintendo games DK IS Cranky's grandson. That's it. Then there's the theory that the present DK and the original are one and the same, but this is because of Mario vs. DK, that said "Mario faces his original nemesis", but this doesn't state that the DK in that game is the original Donkey Kong, just that he's A Donkey Kong, plus, also considering that DK as the original, that just means the game is placed shortly after the original DK, and the character is a young Cranky. I think that's all. Whoa.--Kombatgod 20:56, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

One thing I never understood is why people think Cranky can't be both DK's father AND grandfather. Many people are adopted and raised by their biological grandparents, thus making them their adoptive parents. The quotes from DKC and DK64 seem to indicate that this is the case (Cranky raised DK as his son, but is his biological grandfather). Thus the current DK can be a grown up DK Jr. and still be Cranky's biological grandson. Buddy Christ (talk)

Trivia
Okay, I was reading the Trivia section, and I think the part about Dk's speech patterns should either be finished or moved to a different part of his page. That little piece has been unfinished for sometime, and I really think someone needs to fill in the parts that are missing. I can't do it, because I don't have enough games to reference to, but I do know it needs to be finished! --&#123;&#123;User:FunkyK38/sig}} 11:04, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

Split the original Donkey Kong?
What do you think about splitting the original Donkey Kong from this article who first appeared in the arcade game? It has been stated many times that the ape of Donkey Kong Country and the original one are two different characters. There was even a time when the two Kongs appeared in parallel when the Game & Watch Gallery games were released. The modern DK was everywhere else, but in said games, his ancestor was still around and was based on his design in Game Boy Donkey Kong (his modern counterpart was only seen in the last Game & Watch Gallery ' s title screen). --Grandy02 07:38, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
 * You're right, even if he's called Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong, he's still Cranky.Many games(DKC) says that.SO?A proposal maybe?
 * I'd like to read some more opinions, maybe this can be settled without a proposal. --Grandy02 13:26, 28 May 2010 (EDT)

Some questions: What exactly would be the result of this if it happens? Would the information be moved to Cranky Kong, or will 8-bit DK have an article to himself? What would that article be called? --
 * Definitely not merging with Cranky Kong, this incarnation of the Donkey Kong character is very different from the original one (it would be like merging Mario and Dr. Mario). I'm not exactly sure about the article's title, I thought about "Donkey Kong (original)", but that could make people think of the "original" arcade game. Or "Donkey Kong (original character)"? That's quite long, though. Any suggestions? --Grandy02 17:22, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

I know! We'll make an article named Donkey Kong's Grandfather. How do I know? Snake's codecs in SSBB. Otacon(or whatever his name is) said that "The Donkey Kong who faught that epic battle with Mario was this guy's grandfather).Enough proofs I think. What do you guys think?

I don't know why shouldn't we merge with Cranky Kong. They are the same person, Cranky says that in DKC games! However, it is not stated that Dr Mario and Mario are different persons. Also, Dr Mario and Mario appeared in SSB as two diferent characters. It's like a form of Mario or something...
 * Still, Cranky Kong is very different from his younger self, even though they are the same person, therefore I think it shouldn't be merged. I'd rather want to see Nurse Toadstool merged with Peach. Anyway, in case of the title, "Donkey Kong's Grandfather" would only be used if his name was unknown. I still think "Donkey Kong (original)" would be best. --Grandy02 15:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Two opinions aren't enough, we should make a proposal.
 * With the follwoing three options: "Create separate article Donkey Kong (original)", "Merge relevant information with Cranky Kong", and "Do nothing"? --Grandy02 17:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's all we have for now so...If there is another suggestion it may be posted on comments.


 * I think it doesn't make much sense to separate all things: while we all followed the debates about DK's identity, the average Wiki reader may be unaware of that, and in most cases wouldn't even care! Searching for a list of games DK starred in, he/she would probably want to see the original Donkey Kong game and all the DK Country games listed! I think things as they are now may not be perfect, but are certainly most useful: we have an article for every Kong name: Donkey Kong, Baby Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. and Cranky Kong. Specifying in the games description that the Country DK is the original's son or grandson is enough. Splitting the articles would make things too nerdy.--Kombatgod 13:01, 9 May 2011 (EDT)

I think we should merge it with Cranky Kong. It just makes a lot of sense to me. Even before I new about CK I knew that the DK from the arcade game was NOT the actual DK. Plus, this wiki is supposed to have correct info right? If we said that the DK from the arcade game is the current DK, we would be telling a lie! NO LIES ON THIS WIKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS VANDALISM!!!!!!!!!!

-- 13:25, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Donkey Kong and Funky Kong- Brothers?
I'm curious. Exactly where was it ever stated that Donkey Kong and Funky Kong were related? I don't recall this being stated in any official sources.

-SolarBlaze 19:55, 15 June 2010 (EST)

Relations with Yoshi
Shouldn't we add Yoshi to the Relationship with other characters. Yoshi did save him from Bowser as well

Tails777


 * That was Baby Donkey Kong.


 * Yes, but Baby Donkey Kong was Donkey Kong at one point. 10:08, 27 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Let's add it.

Confusing Relation
This is how I look at the Kong family tree:

Cranky Kong married Wrinkly Kong had Donkey Kong Jr. Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong Jr.'s son.

Now, I am confused about how Dixie and DK are cousins.

I think Swanky, Lanky and Funky are just random Kongs with no relation.

Dixie and Tiny are the cousins of Chunky and Kiddy. Chunky and Kiddy and brothers.

Candy Kong loves Donkey Kong Donkey Kong loves Candy Kong

Diddy loves Dixie Dixie loves Diddy.

So, if I'm wrong, I want to know how the random Kongs are related to DK because many people say that they are related.

Donkey Kong III
In the character infobox, it shows the character's full name. If Donkey Kong is the grandson of Donkey "Cranky" Kong Sr. and the son of Donkey Kong Jr., wouldn't that make him Donkey Kong III since when your father and grandfather has the same name as you, you'd have a III at the end of your full name? SeanWheeler 15:31, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, that makes sense. Ask Steve. He should have an answer.

-- 13:27, 21 November 2011 (EST)


 * Actually, Donkey Kong is not the son of Donkey Kong Jr. It's the other way round. Donkey Kong Jr. is the son of Donkey Kong. So the III has no place on the article.


 * 16:26, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

DK Tie
In the Creation section it says that Donkey Kong Country introduced Donkey Kong's new look with the red tie. But Donkey Kong (Game Boy) came out in June 1994 while DKC came out in November 1994, making the Game Boy game the first to feature the tie. --Zeikcied 01:41, 20 January 2012 (EST)
 * Then change it. If information is wrong, you don't have to ask to change it.M&amp;L+No Moar Picklez=Wurld War III 17:39, 7 February 2012 (EST)

Mario Party
Shouldn't we have info from the Mario Party games here?--Koopakid10
 * http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong#Mario_Party_series

Oopsy Doopsy. :P Koopakid10

What is up with the name "Donkey Kong III" being used in this article?
It is never stated anywhere that the current Donkey Kong is the son of DK Jr. It is stated that the current Donkey Kong is Cranky's grandson, and also that Cranky raised the current Donkey Kong (Cranky says "Close the door on your way out, I didn't raise you in a barn!" in the original DKC, and also calls DK his son in DK64). This would effectively make Cranky Kong both DK's father and grandfather, meaning that the current Donkey Kong may very well be Donkey Kong Jr. Buddy Christ (talk)

I removed the title "Donkey Kong III" (because he has NEVER been referred to by that title in any game) and the part that says he is the son of DK Jr. (It's not confirmed that he is a separate character from Jr., since Cranky states that he raised the current DK, and even if he is a separate character from Jr., Jr. could very well be the current DK's uncle or something).Buddy Christ (talk)

Donkey Kong III.
This Donkey Kong first appeared in Donkey Kong Country in 1994.

There are two big problems with using the term "Donkey Kong III": 1) This article also talks about Cranky Kong when he was still the original Donkey Kong, and 2) It has never been used in an officially licensed Nintendo product. (Also, remember to sign your posts.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:53, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
 * This goddamn "Donkey Kong being DK Jr.'s son" is starting to annoy me to no end. 19:33, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

One game is missing!
Under the Mario vs Donkey Kong series should be: Mario and Donkey Kong: Minis on the Move Shouldn't this be added?


 * Well, yeah, but since it doesn't garner much attention compared to other games, coverage pertaining to this is much slower. 14:45, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Rewrite
Should this page need information about DK's appearance in the Mario Baseball series? SuperZtar (talk) 09:56, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
 * Well, we have to cover every official appearance, and Mario Baseball games are obviously official, so of course this page needs information about the Baseball games aside from statistics. This article does have a rewrite template for a reason. 21:32, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

Despite not even having an account, I had to say this: who edited the top of the article so it mentions - to indirectly address it - something NSFW? (you should know what I'm talking about) 76.79.232.194 15:35, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I'm just gonna quickly remove that part right now, which I wish I did instead. Delete this comment if you want, I don't really care. 76.79.232.194 15:37, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Stanley referred to as Mario's cousin
I've done some admittedly cursory searching, and all I can find about Stanley being Mario's cousin is forums where people are looking for evidence, and Motherboard articles mentioning forums where people are looking for evidence. Thankfully, this assertion is nowhere on Stanley's own article, nor the Donkey Kong 3 article, but I've placed a "citation needed" in this one, just in case there's some obscure, but significant source backing this up. FiveSparklyStars (talk) 06:22, 2 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Interesting claim. Thanks for looking into it.


 * 06:48, 2 April 2017 (EDT)

Tarzan Yell
I noticed that he can do the Tarzan Yell like this, "Ooo-wa-ooo-aaooaaooaa-ooo!" He first did this in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat. NoahAlexanderJohnson101 (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

Game Appearance section
Why is there not a Game Appearance section for Donkey Kong? --TheGreenBeetle (talk) 02:36, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Giant Donkey Kong in Smash Bros. Ultimate
Back on my own talk page, me, Doc von Schmeltwick and Alex95 were talking about whether to consider the Giant Donkey Kong at the end of Jigglypuff's Classic Mode route of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (and subsequently, all other giant and metal opponents of playable fighters from Melee onwards) a boss or not. Alex95 suggested to start a discussion on Donkey Kong's talk page and so here we are now. To quickly catch up, I state that those are not bosses. Rather, they are fighters that have permanent Super Mushroom or Metal Box items attached to them, kinda like how a Special Smash would work and they have to be KO'd by smashing them off-screen after filling up their damage percentage meter high enough, and they don't use an actual health bar like the "actual" bosses in World of Light and Classic Mode (those being Marx, Dracula, Ganon, Dharkon, Giga Bowser, Rathalos, Galeem, Galleom, Master Hand and Crazy Hand). Not to mention, in Classic Mode, the game doesn't denote which fighters are regular or giant until after the specified fight begins (e.g. Joker's Classic Mode route features fights against both a Giant Kirby and a Giant Incineroar, yet the game doesn't label those as giant in the VS splash screen). Finally, in general, the fights against regular playable characters are not bosses as they're just a regular Smash match at the end (e.g. Mega Man's route ends with a fight against Dr. Mario and Mewtwo in quick succession). And in even rarer cases, the actual boss fight isn't at the end of the route but before it ends (e.g. Bowser's route has a fight against Rathalos in Round 6 with the actual final round being against Mario and then a permanently-Metal Boxed Mario afterwards). The other two users, on the other hand, state the opposite (with the only argument used being they count as bosses). After some thinking, I also realized that bringing this over to this talk page could generate more discussion, and I'm kinda interested to see what you guys think. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 12:32, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
 * Smash Wiki also defines Giant Donkey Kong as a boss. It's more than just his role, the permanent Super Mushroom is something the player cannot do in Classic Mode. He may not have a health bar like Giga Bowser, but he is still placed at the end of routes and fulfills the same requirements as any other Classic Mode boss. 12:41, April 18, 2019 (EDT)