MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Change weight classes in Mario Kart 8. (Discuss) Deadline June 1, 23:59 GMT.

List Mario Party Minigames in which a certain enemy appears
I've been looking at the Mario Party: Island Tour subheading for the Goomba page, and yet it only states that they appear in various minigames. That was a real bummer to me, because I wanted to know what minigames Goombas appear in other than Git Along, Goomba!, Match Faker, Starring Artist, and Tap Dash.

The only reason why this is a Writing Guideline Proposal and not a TPP is because the Goomba isn't the only page with this problem. This is the same reason why I proposed this in the first place. Pages such as Koopa Troopa and Shy Guy have the same coincidence. Therefore, I would like to propose that, for enemies that appear in excessive minigames for just one game in the Mario Party series, either a list is made for all minigames in which the enemy appears in with a lot of detail as to the role of the enemy, or simply state that "it appeared in various minigames".

Should the proposal pass on one option, users may take action accordingly, but must ask for permission to do so.

Proposer: Deadline: June 7, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

List the minigames the enemy appears in with detail

 * 1) In my opinion, the whole purpose of the wiki's Mario Party subheadings is to list exactly which enemies appear in certain minigames, since these pages themselves don't provide that info. Per the proposal.
 * 2) Just as long as it doesn't unfeature articles in the future, I won't mind more comprehensive coverage on Mario Party minigames, just so the details aren't excessive.

Make No Standard

 * NO, they would both be pointless and confusing, it looks fine the way it is.

Comments
The way I'm interpreting it, you want a literal list of minigame appearances? 21:14, 24 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Yes, exactly the way you mentioned it, but still feel free to make suggestions. Stonehill (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
 * The way Chain Chomp does it is pretty much a list of appearances, but with more detail. What do you think about it? 21:37, 24 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Okay, I understand. Let me reword the proposal. Stonehill (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I'm settled: I don't believe this has to be a standard. It's just that people aren't willing to document every appearance for each enemy for every minigame. I fear that, enacted or not, this proposal won't change much, so maybe it's not needed, and you can start adding information right away. 01:57, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't know that it's an unwillingness so much as it's a big job that no one has really taken the initiative to tackle yet. Or that it might not be obvious that it needs to be done, given that Chain Chomp is currently the only article that does it to any volume. In either case, I agree with a twist on the notion of it not needing to be a standard. It should be standard to look into if adding a section detailing appearances is feasible, given either the abundance or lack of appearances. The "not be a standard" part happens on either end of the spectrum. I think Stonehill's proposal is a decent way to explain this middle ground. Not (currently) going to submit a formal vote, as I don't see an option that really covers this middle ground, the voting options are currently "yes, yes kinda and no". -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 06:44, 25 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Okay, I see where you're headed. Anyways, I'm creating test pages for the enemies to make it look as detailed as the Chain Chomp one. Once I'm finished, you can view them here, here, and here. Maybe then, you can understand the direction I'm going. Stonehill (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
 * "No one has really taken initiative to tackle yet" is basically an euphemism for "not now, I don't feel like it, I don't have the time" a.k.a. not willing. Look, I'm not willing either, I'll straight up say it. But again, you can do what I did to Chain Chomp, and nobody is going to bat an eyelid. 16:45, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Why didn't you just DIY instead of making a proposal? People later on will copy you. - 16:58, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Precedents aren't that powerful. 17:34, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I prefer to assume the best of our userbase when making assertions about why this or that hasn't been done. All evidence suggests that this hasn't happened due to a lack understanding that it needs to be looked into for articles, rather than a mass shrug from editors. I agree that, at this point, we can safely skip the proposal and just add the sections, then go from there. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:16, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm confused, do you want to do it like: Goomba appears in this game, this game, this game, this game, and this game, or did you want to do a bullet point list? -- 17:47, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's like Goombas also appeared in Mario Party: Island Tour in five minigames; Goomba Tower Takedown you get the point. - 18:00, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Separating confirmed and possible generic-looking character appearances
This proposal is based on discussions on Toad's talk page, where expressed concern about the page covering games where it is only assumed that THE Toad is involved, but not confirmed. Assumptions are best avoided on a fact-based wiki like ours, but assuming things like the briefly playable Toad in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga is THE Toad isn't unreasonable, and outright removing the information is likely to make it look there's gaps in our coverage, confusing or even frustrating readers. Furthermore, moving the info to the overal species page would be less than ideal when we're talking about specific Toad individuals, and making new articles for every not-THE-Toad character is also far less efficient than simply leaving the information on the perfectly good page we have for our established recurring specific Toad individual (whom everyone assumes is all the unnamed Toads anyway).

Fortunately, we are allowed to make interpretations as long as they are "straightforward and logical [...] and explicitly stated to be "implied"", so as long as we're clear about what's confirmed and what's not, it's perfectly within current regulations to leave that info on the Toad character page. It just needs to be reorganized a bit, and for that I propose the creation of a Possible appearances section, which would come after History and start out with a brief discussion about the confusion over appearances and then cover all the unconfirmed stuff in fully fleshed-out sections with headers (just like History; as opposed to using a table, although could still be used in addition to some text to link to the species page depending on the exact situation). For Toad, this would mean moving a number of sections from History to the new section, and merging any extra info found in the current "Confusion with appearances" section.

And the reason why this is a mainspace Proposal and not a TPP is because Toad isn't the only generic-looking character with confused appearance history: numerous other characters like Kamek or Yoshi could potentially benefit from "Possible appearances" sections. So rather than just proposing this new organization for Toad's page, I'm seeking approval for the system as a whole as a way to deal with this sort of appearance ambiguity, past, present and future.

Proposer: Deadline: May 31, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Per proposal and the Toad talk page. Keep the information on likely yet unconfirmed appearances on the character page, but move it to a new "Possible appearances" section, rather than leaving it in the regular History.
 * 2) Per Walkazo
 * 3) Per proposal. THE Toad character is always just an ambiguous thing: I've heard somewhere that the playable Toad in Mario Kart and whatnot is actually never intended to be a standalone character but localizations characterize and singularize this one Toad. Same with Yoshi and Kamek. I think making a "Possible Appearances" section would clear up some of the cloudy mess that are in this characters and possibly resolve any conflict regarding if this Toad that appears is THE Toad or not.
 * 4) The Possible Apperances section would help heaps. The Blue Toad from 3D Land or SMB2 is a prime example.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) If only Nintendo would bother to give these kinds of people a less generic appearance. Sounds like a plan, though, 'kazo.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all. Only concern is that this might open up articles to certain degrees of unreasonable yet difficult to refute fantheories. Even as I type that, I can't think of any specific examples off hand, but it's something to keep in mind while building these new sections.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.