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Create a page for Minecraft: Wii U Edition as a guest appearance
Following Coverage, a proposal must be formed before an article can be created for a guest appearance.

Minecraft has been recently ported to the Wii U, and it comes with some free DLC. Part of that DLC includes a Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, which includes a bunch of Mario-themed skins for the player, nearly every item, block, and entities being retextured to fit the Mario theme, music straight from Super Mario 64, an entirely new world that features a bunch of Mario designs and settings, including recreations of Princess Peach's Castle and Delfino Plaza. Everything is changed to look like it's a blockier Mario game: squids are Bloopers, villagers are Piantas, crafting tables are ? Blocks, note blocks are Note Blocks, wolves are Poochy, and if I listed every change, this proposal would be insanely long. Simply put, Minecraft not only receives a visual overhaul, but an entirely new world that isn't randomly generated. The only caveat is that the core gameplay of Minecraft still remains the same, but when you're playing as Mario, entering Warp Pipes, breaking blocks, and fighting Dry Bones and Hammer Bros. in a world that Nintendo had a hand in creating, I don't think it can be argued that it doesn't have an impact on the game.

Proposer: Deadline: July 6, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per TT.
 * 3) - Mario content is substantial enough.
 * 4) Per proposal
 * 5) - Per proposal.
 * 6) Per proposal.
 * 7) Per proposal.
 * 8) Par *hic* ale.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) - Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) This fits more under List of Mario references in video games as a section rather than its own standalone article.

Comments
Does anyone happen to have a full list of the changes, or at the very least a video that covers most of the changes? I don't own a copy of the game myself, so all I can really do is hunt through videos and make sure I haven't missed anything. 22:44, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * This may help. And this. -- 23:12, 29 June 2016 (EDT)

@Wildgoosespeeder: Could you elaborate on why you think it should be considered a cameo and not a guest appearance? 23:03, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I've always thought that the in order to quality for a standalone page on MarioWiki, it has to be its own mechanics and have at least one character be the primary focus of the game that have residence in the Mushroom Kingdom, such as Super Mario (series), Mario Kart (series), or Mario Party (series) (there's more but these are handpicked examples). Since the DLC requires Minecraft for Wii U as a base and the base game very unrelated to the Mario (series), it shouldn't qualify. I also share this with any game covered on MarioWiki that I am unaware of that has this concern, such as Tetris DS. The ultimate gripe I have is coverage of Donkey Kong (series) and Super Smash Bros. (series) since we have Donkey Kong Wiki and SmashWiki, but that is an entirely different can of worms for another time. If Minecraft shouldn't be in List of Mario references in video games, I would be in favor of creating List of crossovers featuring the Mario series, or something like that. -- 17:07, 30 June 2016 (EDT)
 * What you're suggesting, especially in regards to the Donkey Kong and Smash series, is simply not a view that I agree with. To clarify, we give a single article to games marked as guest appearances (NBA Street V3, SSX on Tour, Captain Rainbow, Densetsu no Stafy 3, Punch-Out!!, Rhythm Tengoku: The Best+, and Skylanders: SuperChargers) and we give articles to nearly every element of games marked as crossovers (Super Smash Bros. series, Mario & Sonic series, Itadaki Street DS, Fortune Street, Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!, Game & Watch Gallery, Mario Hoops 3-on-3, and Mario Sports Mix). However, we take a different approach to covering these articles in order to distinguish them from their interwiki counterparts. For example, Ike's article only uses the intro paragraph to describe the character's backstory and then reserves the rest of the article exclusively for the character's role in the games that we cover; the Smash Wiki, on the other hand, not only describes Ike's backstory in detail, but also reserves whole articles for the technical details on how Ike fights in the Smash games, something that the Mario Wiki doesn't do. The article that you put forth wouldn't work with Minecraft mostly because it's not a crossover but rather a guest appearance (unless you want to expand the definition of "crossover"), but also because of the reasons I put forth in the proposal; from my point of view, it should be given its own article. 20:21, 30 June 2016 (EDT)