Talk:Level

Doesn't Places already take care of a page like this? Basically, all places are levels in Mario games. -- Son of Suns

Good point
Good point. In this case, could you rename Stage 4-1: Jungle Hut just "Jungle Hut?"--Dreyfus2006 14:09, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Hold on There
Levels are much different from places, though, and with the rebirth I'm giving to PP:LEV with, I think there should a list for Levels. 17:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)
 * Consider At Last, Bowser's Castle!, Ba-dum BUM!, The Goonie Coast Isn't Clear!. Definitely not places. "Endless World of Yoshis", "Items are Fun!", etc., I admit that some levels are places and should be placed as such, but some levels are not, and thus a Levels list is necessary. 21:04, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Why create individual pages for levels? Why can't we create levels and integrate (Word of the Day:) them by world? Huh?

There needs to be articles for everything. 20:18, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Singular
The title of this article should be "Level", right? Unfortunately I cannot move it. =) ♥♪!? 19:08, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Why can't you move it?--Luigibros2 00:13, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Move to Course
DELETED It's been called "Course" in most Mario games except Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels and Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3. Those and the Donkey Kong series are the only times it's been called level.

Besides, it says "Course Clear!" instead of "Level Clear!"

Proposer: Deadline: April 4, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per above.

Oppose

 * 1) - Colloquially, pretty much everything talks about video games in terms of "worlds" and "levels" (in my experience). The fact that a game actual has "level" in its name also helps elevate that term above synonyms like "course" or "stage". Plus, unlike "level", "course" is often used to talk about Mario Kart tracks, and having two terms is useful when you don't want to lump these vastly different gameplay subjects together. It's largely semantics, yes, but it's better to use the more historic and popular term: there's no good reason to replace "level" now, not after years of having it ingrained into fabric of the wiki.
 * 2) - Per Walkazo.
 * 3) Per Walkazo.
 * 4) Per Walkazo.
 * 5) Per the first vote. Create a redirect instead.
 * 6) Per LGM.

Comments
@Walkazo: I see your point, but aren't we supposed to use the most recent/common in-game term instead of the most popular term (don't get me wrong, I use level too, but if it's referred as that in games and instruction manuals?) Also, remember that the title "The Lost Levels" wasn't coined until Super Mario All-Stars. It's technically supposed to be called "Super Mario Bros. 2", so the European and American localizers likely added the subtitle to give it an alliterative name. This means that it has always been known as "course" in Japan, excepting the SMB3 remake. Also, the wiki has started to transition to "course" as seen in these articles. I agree about the Mario Kart thing, though.
 * In this case, I think the most used term makes the most sense. "Level" is much more precise than "Course" since "Course" can refer to more areas including Mario Kart tracks. And I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the result of localization means Japan has always used "course". I don't see how the wiki "started" to transition from "level" to "course" because both articles you mentioned are Super Mario 64 levels, and we had those articles for quite a long time. 21:30, 22 March 2013 (EDT)
 * OK, you've got me. I'm deleting this proposal.