MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

User Game Reviews
Ahem, this is my first proposal so please go easy on me if I do something wrongI had an idea that users could review Mario games which they had played and recommend to other people. The link for them might be eg. "Super Mario 64/Review". I know we have a review corner in The Shroom but it's a nightmare looking through the archives to find the game you're looking for. The users could also use ratings such as "out-of-five-stars" or percentages. Of course the sysops could remove pointless negative reviews such as "this game sucked and I disliked it for no apparent reason".

Proposer: Deadline: October 27th, 2009 17:00 pm

No User Reviews

 * We're an encyclopedia based on objective Mario information, thus we can't put game reviews in the mainspace. However, there certainly is a way to improve The 'Shroom section if it has any flaws (I don't really read The 'Shroom, so I don't know).
 * 1) - As Time Q said, we're an encyclopedia, and as such we shall not have to endure subjective or biased material.
 * 2) - Per TimeQ, you can suggest something so they can be found easier.
 * 3) – Per Time Q
 * 4) - Per Time Q.
 * 5) - This wiki does not allow the use of "you" in an article (there's a template for it, ), why would we be aloud to make reviews for users? It just seems a bit unfair, baby steps. Per TQ.
 * 6) I am Zero! I don't really care of the pain of waitting for the next 'Shroom to see the next review, since most of them are complete opposites of actual reviews. And we are a Marioverse based encyclopedia not IGN. Zero signing out.
 * 7) This is a wiki for information, not a site for reviewing games!!
 * 8) Per Time Q and all, this should be an informational wiki, and should generally stay that way.
 * 9) - Per Mr. Q.
 * 10) - Per Time Q.

Quote Box
Alright, as my first proposal, I want a quote box to be in articles. I feel that people should get a users feel on a person or item when a viewer is reading through the page. An example would be (Imagine me putting this on Chief Chilly's page)

"He was a worthy foe, powerful indeed, but he succumbed to his own strength, and was easily defeated" -Runeon12 Proposer: Deadline: October 29, 2009, 17:00

For Quote Boxes

 * 1) User:Runeon12

Against Quote Boxes

 * Same as for the above proposal. We're an encyclopedia, thus we don't need POV in our articles.
 * 1) - Per Time Q... again.
 * 2) - Per
 * 3) Per Time Q.
 * 4) - Per Time Q.
 * 5) - This will be just another excuse to bring in fan point of views. When I read an article, I don't want to read. "ZOMG! Luigi PWNS!" or "LOL! Wario is a fat man! XD" or "Dry Bones SUCKS!" It just seems kinda ridiculous.
 * Per Time Q.
 * 1) - We are not a fansite, those comments should go on a site with a comment box as that is what a comment box is for. Per the top guy.
 * 2) Per Gamefreak75- although Dry Bones does not suck!
 * 3) - Per Time Q and Gamefreak75.
 * 4) - It's not really necessary to have opinions on the actual articles, but its perfectly fine if you want to do that on your own page.
 * 5) terrible idea. Lu-igi board 13:47, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Comments
Although I must say that I enjoy it to have in-game-quotes on articles (say f.e. a character in a Mario game says something about Warp Pipes and that quote could be put on the Warp Pipe article.). But of course, no fan-made content. -

Actually guys, new idea. First of all, I would like to thank Edofenrir for the idea, let us go with having a quote of what another character said to the character being searched. For example, if Mario called Luigi an "insolent fool!" then that would show up as the quote in Luigi, instead of our fan quotes.

Remove BJAODN
BJADON is pointless and does not serve the wiki in any way. We are not the UnMarioWiki, we are the MarioWiki, and therefore "Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense" should not be allowed here. The only purpose it serves is the purpose it says on the page, "To have bad word documented, the most silly and dum word in the wold!". That is clearly not our goal at the MarioWiki. We are wasting server space with completely irrelevant and nonsensical.

Proposer: Deadline: Wednesday, 27 October 2009, 17:00

Support

 * 1) – Per above.

Oppose

 * 1) - Well, this ill be clearly polemical. I say no. After all the effort I put into it? And it is just like a way of diversion. I find it really funny.
 * 2) I think you are being a bit harsh there, Yoshario. Many users contribute there, and many users would be upset to see it go. BJAODN is kind of like the 'Shroom, it provides some comic relief to the members of the wiki (I'm not saying that the 'Shroom is a joke, which it IS NOT.), and getting rid of it would get rid of a lot of good stuff on the wiki.
 * 3) It keeps users entertained. And when it doesn't, it teaches new users how not to be humiliated.
 * 4) Per FunkyK38. And BJAODN also shows new users what not to do.
 * 5) - removing it would be a bad idea, since a lot of users like to add the dumb stuff that noobs make, it would be kind of like deleting the Mario article. even if it has some content that is irrelevant to the mario series, it still has some stuff related to it, so no
 * 6) Well I see that Yoshario has a great and persistent argument I think we could meet a compromise using SMB's comment below...
 * 7) While the BJAODN may include alot of funny and weird BS, I don't support removing it. Did you know Wikipedia has a BJAODN? So you think theyre uninformative and unorganized? Seems like it. Your going way too overboard. We have unlimited server space, don't we? Well not unlimited, but alot. MarioWiki is a community, not a place where everyone just edits and thats it. Removing BJAODN is like removing User Talk, because oh, most of the time people just say "hay sup" and archive like 20 headers in 10 archives. I'm not saying User Talk is just a place to talk with your friends and what not, because people can give warnings and reminders and what not and help the user out.
 * 8) Per all. I also think we can come to a compromise using SMB's comment below.
 * 9) - I should only have to say "I'm the creator duh", but I'll also add there's some legetimate, obvious bad writing archived in there. If it's "useless", then so is the 'Shroom because it's also irreverent and nonsensical lol.
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) - Yoshario is just mad cause he hates us all now, and is trying to remove part of the community. Besides, BJAODN doesnt harm us, waste space, or put us backward from our goal of haivng the most mario stuff, even if it doesnt get us any closer.
 * 12) - BJAODN is a fun way for people to express themselves and show creativity. Many users may not stick around after there is nothing left for them to do. Users have put so much effort into it, it would be a shame to delete it now.
 * 13) - Per my comment below.
 * 14) "Wasting server space" can hardly be an argument. I don't see how BJAODN is different from The Shroom.
 * 15) - Bah, using your logic, all userspaces and pages including the words "fun,happy,good," or any other kind of positive content should be removed. >:P
 * 16) No way! The BJAODN is too funny to delete! It's amazing what people will write!
 * 17) - Per Glowsquid and Stooben Rooben. While not everyone will find everything funny (as Super Mario Bros. pointed out), real life satire is always better than manufactured "bad writing" exemplars: honest laughs will be remembered much longer. Compared to The 'Shroom, chat and the forums, the amount of space BJAODN eats up is a mere pittance, and a small price to pay for the simple joy it offers our editors - who might just learn a thing or two about what not to do while they're at it.
 * 18) - Per all.
 * 19) - Per FawfulFury. I love reading BJAODN, and deleting it would make Mariowiki a dull place. :(
 * Aw, don't be mean! The BJAODN is what makes our Wiki look like more of a community in guests find it. It's also funny :D We don't want this place to like like 'Super Mario Dictionary & Thesaurus', do we? Who'd want to click on athat link?!
 * 1) Listen Yoshario... If you get rid of BJAODN a lot of users will leave and this place would fall apart! Conprendo!
 * 2) Per all. As Alphaclaw showed in chat, even Wikipedia has pages like BJAODN.
 * 3)  Off with his head!  (Translation from Xzelionese: Per all; I counterpropose that we remove the proposals pages since stupid proposals like these waste both server space and people's time.)
 * 4) - It is worth to take away stress from serious contributing here.

Comments
I do neither support the removal of BJAODN, nor do I think that we have to keep it by all means. I think I will abstain from voting here. -
 * @Tucayo: Despite some people finding it "really funny", that's not our goal here. An how is it a way of "distressing us"?
 * @FunkyK38: How am I being harsh? Many users contributed to their userspace, yet we removed it because it was a distraction from the mainspace. This is worse, as it's completely nonsensical and doesn't help the wiki reach it's goal. If members want comic relief, they can visit the many joke wikis out there.

We have new rules that prevent adding comments, which was the m ain distraction
 * We still waste server space with BJAODN. By keeping this, you're saying that a page which purpose is "To have bad word documented, the most silly and dum word in the wold!" fits our scope.
 * Well, we have things that waste more space. And I dont consider it to be a waste of space. Have you read it?
 * What other things waste more space? And yes, I have read it. Most of it seems to be inane and ridiculous. (e.g. "Madden is a game not in the mario sieries that is football made by EA sports.")
 * @TehDman: The wiki isn't meant to be fun, it is supposed to be informative. If you don't find this wiki's goal "fun", then it's your own issue. We should not amend our scope so users can have "fun".
 * Then let's remove the Forums, Chatroom, 'Shroom, and even our skin. Because we're informative, right? 18:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
 * The Forums and Chatroom were made so people could discuss non-wiki things.

I don't get it. What is BJAODN? Bad Junk And Other Deleted Nonsense... how are we to get rid of something that's already gone? And where is the BJAODN?
 * The BJAODN is an archive of deleted content that was removed because it was ridiculous in some way, but was too amusing to delete it completely. -
 * I feel we should remove TehDman's and Master Lucario's comments, as they do not help the situation in any way . Also, perhaps we could just go through the completely pointless crap (like the "Madden is a game not in the mario sieries that is football made by EA sports.") and remove it? we could keep the jokes and other things, but not those stupid one line and poorly written articles that have triggered this proposal. And, a joke wiki... That gives me an idea. Let's see how my first idea goes though.
 * I agree to an extent with SMB. I think the page should be filtered removing things like the Madden articles and such that are one liners and completely not that funny. I've also noticed that the latest additions to the pages were very minor. I think the way it has been updated is a much better system.

Super-Yoshi: Actually, that "unlimited" serverspace is moaning and cracking under the weight of unnecessary material, to such extents that we have server slowdowns and such. A certain dager of overload is present. I am not saying that removing BJAODN is an appropriate measurement to solve that problem (that's why I don't vote), but it is not like we have unlimited server space. UPDATE: It seems like I have been misinformed, so this comment isn't of validation anymore. -

Yoshario, what's your stance on the 'Shroom. Most of it isn't exactly NEEDED and PURPOSEFUL either (lol faek news).

Also, no removing of ANYTHING. Humour is in the eye of the beholder.

The argument about sever space is ridiculous. A few text files and some images take, like, 2 MB at most? Purging BJAODN would do to the server what drinking a glass of water do to the ocean. --Glowsquid 20:05, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

People, this is just an OPINION! Stop overdramatizising it and come down to a constructive level again! And ditch the personal attacks. They poison our community! -

...are you serious

This whole "server space" thing is becoming a rather invalid reason for a lot of issues. One page is not going to cause enough of a dent in the server space to justify getting rid of it. Hundreds of non-beneficial user sub-pages does cause a fairly minimal negative effect on the server, but one page? Come on. If you want to delete that page, you might as well delete all of these pages too. (The first three are community projects, just like BJAODN; the next three explain stuff that users can ask an experienced member -- and is common sense, on some level; the rest of them are pages that act as a category.) I could find many more, but I think I've made my point there. All of those pages cause about as much damage to the server as BJAODN, which isn't much. And for that matter, the comments added to BJAODN don't cause enough of a difference in server space to justify disabling users' rights to add their two cents to that page. You might as well outlaw casual conversations on user talk pages if you're going to go that far. (Unlike BJAODN, that actually creates a dent in server space that's "not beneficial to the wiki". If users want to talk to each other, they should just use the forum or chat, right? And for that matter, we may as well ask Steve to get rid of 95% of the forum and the chatroom because they're not beneficial to the wiki either.) I never liked the idea of disabling comments on BJAODN to begin with; this is taking that insane motion a step further. Besides, BJAODN isn't just for laughs; it's also a 'what not to do' guide. The bottom line here is that server space is not the issue here. --


 * Edo: yea we always have slowdowns and stuff lol. I was just saying what st00by basically just said.

Concerning the "IT DOESN'T ADVANCE US" argument, how does this page advance the goal of the mother of all wiki, or this and this? If the sticklers at Wikpedia have dozen of pages on the most ridiculous things, I don't see why we can't have one page.

I also like how you imply opposer to your proposal "don't give a damn about the community," and that it's "common sense" to vote for your side. Mature, real mature. --Glowsquid 06:49, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Bah, stop bein' a flipping baby Yoshario. I can't recall the person at the moment, but I agree with their argument that MarioWiki is a community, not a ramrod straight ONLY FORMAL WIKI. Because the impression I'm getting right now is that you're trying to tell us that you're the only perfect person here.

@Glowsquid Meh, more mature than "yoshario iz evil lol" or "anything yoshario likes I hate". And I am part-right. Katana, ML, and TehDman aren't even active here. And it is common sense to vote for my side because BJAODN does not benefit the wiki and does not fit into the wiki's goal. Oh, and when you compared it to Wikipedia's BJAODN, I'd like to say that that's gone, and they moved it to an external wiki. :| @Electrobomber: I'm not perfect, when did I imply that? It seems that you aren't taking the goal of the wiki that seriously. The wiki is a community, and non-wiki things can be discussed in #mariowiki.

"Common sense" is stuff no one with a certifiably working brain can disagree with. Claiming no one with common sense can disagree with you makes you look petulant (Especially since at least two other administrators are disagreing with you(. Also, you didn't respond to what I said about The 'Shroom. Surely, reading about (fake) news about characters that don't exist shurely fits the site goal.

The Wikipedia BJAODN may have been moved, but the "Best Of" and many individual articles are still kept, which is quite a lot. Not to mention a lot of alternative language (French, and I assume German) Wikipedia still have it as an active project. --Glowsquid 19:17, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

To everybody that has mentioned the 'Shroom, look at the proopsal name, it has nothing to do with the 'Shroom, so dont even get it into this deleting stuff. Thank you

This is getting ridiculous, so everyone SHUT UP AND STOP ARGUING! A strong community is a happy community, and a happy community is not one that argues. Back on topic, we should get rid of any non-Mario (not even partially) stuff that is in the BJAODN, because even if it is funny, it didn't even belong here in the first place. Note: It may sound like it, but I'm not taking credit for the idea. Someone put it somewhere above...

Yoshario:

''"Katana, ML, and TehDman aren't even active here." -- Yoshario''

Well, for starters, being inactive =/= not caring about the wiki. If Steve just randomly decided to nuke the MarioWiki, do you not think they would care? I've been inactive a lot lately, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the wiki.

''"And it is common sense to vote for my side because BJAODN does not benefit the wiki and does not fit into the wiki's goal." -- Yoshario''

If that were the case, the chatroom would never have been created, and all the boards (except for the Admin boards) on the forum would never have existed. They may not benefit the encyclopedic aspect of the wiki, but they do benefit the communicative part of it. Besides, it's not like it's doing any harm. If it were actually posing a threat to the site, then it would be smart to get rid of it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Now, I will agree that the Yoshario-hate in this proposal is outlandish. (Although, most of it seems to be gone now.) He made a proposal you don't like; get over it. Not everyone has to have the same point of view to get along.

Tucayo: We weren't saying that The 'Shroom is a waste of space; we were using it as an example of why BJAODN should stay. (Or at least, I was.) --

@Stooben Rooben: The chatroom and forum were created as an alternative to the wiki where you can talk about whatever you want. For example, we don't talk about Mario on Talk:Mario, we talk about the article, and direct Mario-related discussion to the forum.

"Well, for starters, being inactive =/= not caring about the wiki. If Steve just randomly decided to nuke the MarioWiki, do you not think they would care? I've been inactive a lot lately, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the wiki."

Even so, it the ones who aren't active on the wiki vote something like "BJAODN is all I read on the wiki". He didn't say it were the articles were all he reads, and contributes to, he said BJAODN.

Yoshario: I read BJAODN because I can't contribute to Mariowiki. I don't have many Mario games, and there's already good articles on them. >_> I don't really care about the wiki a ton, but I'm allowed to have an opinion, right? My opinion is that we should keep BJAODN. Katana
 * I never said you weren't allowed to have an opinion. But the vote you are "per-ing" says :"No way! The BJAODN is too funny to delete! It's amazing what people will write!". The wiki is not meant to be funny, it is meant to be a free encyclopedia about Mario. Perhaps we could have a "What not to do" page, instead of BJAODN. It would serve the purpose of explaining "what not to do" better, and be more understandable.

Actually Yoshario, people are more likely to learn "what not to do" by examples, so BJAODN isn't all that bad. I also agree with Hyper Guy, on the statement that we are not the "Super Mario Dictionary" (or something like that.) And even though MarioWiki has social and humorous touches, you don't see the actual articles being crap, now do you?

Actually, the Manual of Style has better examples than BJAODN. "It's Halloween. Mario and friends are thinking it's going to it's a scary night.Until the mummy of Toadsworth's brother returns to haunt the Living. " is less helpful than an in-depth guide on how to start an article. For example, if a user wanted to know what should be bolded, BJAODN wouldn't be a good guide since words are randomly bolded there.
 * Primo, BJAODN is an archive of 'what not to do, comparing it with a page specifically meant to help out new users is sily. --Glowsquid 21:23, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

WILL YOU JUST SHUT UP AND LEAVE BJAODN ALONE!

I just removed some votes that lacked valid reasons. Also, stop being so immature, guys. Some of you are acting as if Yoshario was proposing to destroy the wiki. It's only about a single page that hasn't even been here for that long and the wiki worked perfectly before we had the page as well. You don't have to agree with him, but there's no need to shout at him or accusing him of "hating" us or BS like that.

I agree with Time Q. Yoshario hasn't proposed something so hideous and terrible that it's going to kills everyone if it gets proposed, so give him a break. Although I don't agree with it, Yoshario is entitled to his own opinion, and he doesn't deserve to get shot down by the opposers. So GIVE HIM A BREAK!

This discussion is a disgrace to our community... deplorable... -

I completely agree with the above three people. It's not like Yoshario is doing anything wrong. There's nothing I hate seeing more than the community getting completely irrational over different viewpoints. --

Splits & Merges
''None at the moment.

Change Goomba's Shoe to Kuribo's Shoe
From SMB3, Kuribo's Shoe is my childhood remembrance of this super-special item so exclusive this world 5-3 and never seen again. I believe that it's name was part of what made it so unique. So make the title of the article "Kuribo's Shoe" for the sake of tradition. I'm not saying don't mention in the article Kuribo's shoe means Goomba's shoe in Japanese. But the main title should be it's original and more well-known name. So what if the GBA remake called it "Goomba's Shoe." It's the little things like the name Kuribo's Shoe and the fond memories it invokes that are like a big, juicy steak in our nostalgic minds. I implore, urge the Mario wiki users to vote YES. And lest you folks forget, it was refered to as the Shoe of Kuribo in Super Paper Mario.

Proposer: Deadline: October 29th, 2009 17:00 pm

Change the title to "Kuribo's Shoe"

 * 1) – Per above.
 * 2) - Per first person
 * 3) - Per Marwikedor-It was first called Kuribo's Shoe, therefore it should stay that way.
 * 4) -yes it's original name

Leave it as is

 * 1) As per the policy. You can't make exceptions due to nostalgia or people will keep asking.
 * 2) - This is the more recent name.
 * 3) - It goes against policy, which will cause an inconsistency. Per all.
 * 4) - Next time, change Princess Peach to Princess Toadstool due to nostalgia? We have the policy to use the more recent name. We don't go by personal preferences. No inconsistencies, please.
 * 5) - Per our policy
 * 6) - The article always mentions the name of the object as of their most recent appearance unless that name is too long in which case it is abbreviated. Create a redirect.
 * 7) - Unfortunately, the policy states the name to be the same.
 * 8) - Although I love the term "Kuribo's Shoe", I also hate inconsistency. Exceptions are confusing and annoying, so: Nah!
 * 9) - Per all.

Comments
Was it called Kuribo's Shoe in Super Mario Bros. 3? If so, then I support. -
 * It was, but they changed it to "Goomba's Shoe" in the remake. As per policy, we do use the most recent name of characters/items/whatever... -
 * Well, if the Policy dictates that, then I can't do anything about it. -

Fawfulfury65: To keep consistency, we'd have to move "Mario" to "Jumpman" then... -
 * Maybe this proposal should be turned into a proposal to change the policy.
 * Are you aware of the consequences of this? The Jumpman thing is only one example of renames we would have to make if the policy is changed (because if it gets changed, then it gets changed completely, with no exceptions!). You want to change the names of masses of articles to confusing aliasses just for nostalgia? I like Kuribo's Shoe more as well, but I won't sacrifice the structure of the whole Wiki for it. -


 * You people are wrong. Super Paper Mario is more recent than that GBA remake!  Remember the Sammer Guy referenced the true title!  In Bowser's Inside Story, a Sockop was name Kuribo, clearly referencing he looked like Kuribo's Shoe!  Both of those games are more recent than that GBA remake!  I don't even think in the GBA remake it was even mentioned in the game!  Was it just a guide or something?  The most recent name is Kuribo's Shoe.  Change your votes those who voted against it!  Per your own policy!-
 * Dude it was a Sammer Guy that was called "Shoe of Kuribo". The actual item didn't appear in the game. It was just a reference to the item. --

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.