Talk:List of common and notable enemies in the Super Mario series

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So this is just a less-detailed version of the List of enemies? If you've added so many entries to a list that is supposed to cover the general basics of a series that you feel that it is necessary to split the list, perhaps the issue is instead that you have too many entries. 20:59, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * Nah, the entries are all valid, it's just that the Super Mario series is a big series. It's not just a less-detailed list, as the top clearly states, as "list of enemies" includes enemies from the other subfranchises, like Paper Maro and Yoshi. I should have named it "List of enemies in the Super Mario series", but really, they're all common or notable in various ways. 20:06, 18 July 2017 (CT)
 * There are definitely quite a few entries that could be removed, in my opinion. The Super Mario page is supposed to be a broad overview of the entire series, so is it really necessary to include enemies with small or few appearances, like Waddlewings, Skipsqueaks, Ant Troopers, Peepas, Biddybuds, Eep Cheeps, Topmen, and others? 21:09, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * Firstly, Biddybuds and Peepas are very common in the games they appear in. Waddlewings are extremely common within a few levels, as are Topmen, Ant Troopes, Eep-Cheeps, and Waddlwings. "Common" doesn't necessary mean from a series-wide perspective. 20:12, 18 July 2017 (CT)
 * Considering that the chart is on the series page, it should, tbh. And I'm just going to post here what I've said on my talk page for a consistent record:
 * Splitting would've been avoided if you took my earlier suggestion to do a "Related enemies" bar and not made the list that large. Not every enemy and obstacle needs to be added, otherwise we'd just say "Take a look at the List of enemies." I realize there is a large amount of enemies and obstacles in the main Super Mario series, and while I think you've done a good job with the chart, I also think there needs to be some re-thinking here. Even Yoshi's Island (series) and Donkey Kong Country (series) don't list everything. 21:15, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * Even if they're particularly common in one or two games, that does not mean that they need to be listed in what is supposed be a list that overlooks the entire series. Again, this list is for the broad Super Mario series, which has several titles, so listing an enemy that appears so infrequently in them is simply unnecessary, especially when you've already made concerns about the size of the list. Per Alex in all regards. 21:17, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * "List of enemies" is just an inconvenient fallback, because it tells you nothing about said enemies, just the names and the first time they appeared, and includes things from comics and stuff. This includes pictures and a short blurb to tell about them, and as such is perfect for newcomers and just as a general overview of enemies. And, for instance, what you said would knock Gooble out, despite being the absolute single-most common enemy in that particular game. 20:24, 18 July 2017 (CT)

I'm just going to say, every enemy, no matter what, contributes something to the Super Mario series. So I'm agreeing with Doc here. 21:27, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * Unless you're planning on giving a picture and blurb to every single enemy here, it's a necessary fallback. As you've said, this is a general overview of enemies. Throwing too many enemies at users will just bog them down; compromises need to be made. Also, Gooble should not be included on this list at all. Also, @Skuchi: does that mean you genuinely want every single enemy in the Super Mario series to be listed here? 21:28, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

YES. Because no matter how much they appear, they contribute something unique and new to the Super Mario series. I say we list the most common enemies to the least common enemies, but stay in game order. 21:32, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
 * It'd be like we're introducing new users to the series by making them read a Terms of Service. Detailing every single enemy like that would become such a monstrously large block of text that nobody would be interested in reading. The more text you try to stuff into the same area, the more you'll disinterest potential readers. This is the reason we have individual articles and the entire wiki isn't on one single page. 21:37, 18 July 2017 (EDT)