User talk:Shokora/Archive 10

Yo
What's up? Haven't seen you around for quite a while. 18:48, 22 June 2016 (EDT)


 * G'day there, thanks I've been very well and in good health. It's been a while yes. I've finished school last year in Australia, now I'm staying with family in Europe for a year before I start university I feel like I've matured a lot, but I'll always be a kid with a computer whenever I find myself in this place again. YoshiKong 19:16, 22 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Good to know. I kind of felt the same way tbh, I took a leave from the community myself from late 2014/early 2015 until a few months ago when I got bored and decided to come back and edit. Did you trade your Cold Chisel fandom back for this? ;P 19:21, 22 June 2016 (EDT)


 * My Cold Chisel fandom isn't up for trades. YoshiKong 19:24, 22 June 2016 (EDT)


 * I thought as much. A few things have happened around here; was repromoted recently, there were fewer proposals this year so far but had good content nevertheless, and a few extra boards to hold cluttered threads were added on the forums. On a much more sad note,  passed away in a traffic accident on Easter; the community is still mourning her loss and the upcoming summer 'Shroom issue will be dedicated to her.

Those were the main events in 2016 so far, not sure about last year. 19:31, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Welcome back
Hey YoshiKong welcome back to the Super Mario Wiki, I am a new user and my name is Fawful's Minion. 18:51, 22 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Hey good to see you. YoshiKong 19:16, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

re:Boards password reset
wb. Check your emails. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:17, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

You're back?
Ayy I remember you, but you might not remember me if I don't tell you the name I used to go by. Does the name Gonzales ring any bells? Also, welcome back. Were your dreams your ticket out? 22:04, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Welcome back
Oh hey! It's good to see you back here! Good luck with your upcoming university, I'm not that far from it myself, but still kinda scared from what I'm going to encounter. best one imo -- 10:29, 28 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Thanks! Good to see you. 18:12, 29 June 2016 (EDT)

Delete?
File:MarioWiki Transparency Standard.png was found in Special:UnusedFiles. Was it used in User:M&SG/proposal that is now deleted? If so, tag with. -- 17:52, 1 July 2016 (EDT)

Admin Position
Wow! You regained your admin status on MarioWiki! Congrats! -- 21:32, 3 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Yup, welcome back. What are your plans? 21:41, 3 July 2016 (EDT)


 * Thanks guys! I'll be here to complete some project plans, as well as be involved in staff discussions again. 05:46, 4 July 2016 (EDT)

RE: Response
Thanks. -- 12:37, 5 July 2016 (EDT)

'Shroom Images
I was browsing Special:UnusedFiles. I noticed it was quite smaller. The last I have seen it, it was slightly below 500 images going unused. Now it is down to almost 300 images. I wondered why. I noticed several 'Shroom images missing from the cache. I have been wanting to see that for some time now (here) but wasn't sure of the best way to make it happen. I knew those images weren't deleted but out of curiosity, I wanted to see what changed to make it happen. I remember seeing File:BackgroundWaluigi.png in that special page. How did you make the image reference itself? I don't see the mark-up anywhere! Must be an admin access only thing. Thanks for clearing those images out! -- 13:49, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Actually, now I see how you did it! was edited. I see the mark-up change. Using a CSS style with the DIV tag to hide the enclosed mark-up and used a MediaWiki magic word. Brilliant! Better than my original idea! I do have a suggestion though. Even though the image is hidden from view, bandwidth will still be consumed. Just do |1x1px . That should reduce background bandwidth consumption if someone were to access the file links that are in Category:Shroom images.
 * Sorry for the multiple edits in a row for your talk page. This got me thinking and I reply before I have the idea to say. Anyways, this sort of change might be a good idea for . Should that template be edited too? -- 14:19, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I have worked with a little bit of MediaWiki scripting but that code that you claim wasn't yours is indeed clever and I never would have thought of that. I even had an idea to make code for a bit more versatile (see its talk page) but  (before her death) shot it down so we compromised and the current code you see is based on our agreement we reached. Anyways, to demonstrate the MediaWiki Magic Word,  (output of  on this page minus bolding, check the mark-up for yourself). Put that on a file page (such as File:BackgroundWaluigi.png) and you get File:BackgroundWaluigi.png as output (no link or italicizing), but for that file page. MediaWiki templating allows us to shortcut some tediousness. So combine those together and you got yourself an elegant solution to prevent 'Shroom images showing up in Special:UnusedFiles. Just change   to |1x1px  and you are all set. If you are unsure, I can show you on . I can modify that, since it seems like you want to update that template as well so any of those images tagged with that stop showing up in Special:UnusedFiles as well. -- 18:43, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Fantastic! You understood what the code was doing and you implemented the changes I recommended. PNG Monster, three things:
 * Oops! Forgot you asked about that! I do have all the original files. I'll figure out something to get you that program.
 * I was thinking of redoing the interface to allow for better user-friendlyness because the place where I downloaded it had the source code included.
 * had a better idea about having this website host optimized PNGs (see my talk page).
 * Shadow vs. shadowless, I have no preference. I do have an unanswered question on Gallery talk:Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U. I find it redundant to have both. It's just a matter of finding which one the majority likes better. -- 14:48, 6 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Lossless means lossless. The perceived color change is likely meta data that the web browser doesn't read but a regular image editor/viewer does. This color change doesn't usually happen with certain file types, such as or  images. -- 15:10, 6 July 2016 (EDT)
 * You sure you can't download the link provided by the PNG Monster page? I was able to with relative ease. Try using CCleaner to clear your browser cache. There's even an extension for it called CCEnhancer that tells CCleaner to check even more places to delete junk files. -- 19:23, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

WIP
I was looking at Special:RecentChanges and found some WIP you were working on. I have some similar stuff I was working on: I would like them to get out of WIP status and be used officially, maybe how you want your policy drafts to be like that some day. -- 17:01, 6 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Take Better Screenshots for Various Nintendo Hardware - Might make great supplemental material for User:YoshiKong/Help:Image
 * User:Wildgoosespeeder/QualityRequestTypes/sandbox - Expands to make Category:Quality requested bloat more manageable. It also has a talk page with an active discussion (well it used to be but I would like to get the ball rolling again).
 * User:Wildgoosespeeder/PNG/sandbox
 * User:Wildgoosespeeder/Tweak/sandbox
 * User:Wildgoosespeeder/Tweak-gamerip/sandbox
 * Thanks! Keep in mind that my GCN/Wii emulation section is not 100% ideal largely due to programming faults with the most popular emulator for those two consoles. The images I upload are not what a real console outputs. What I upload is around HD quality (between 720p and 1080p) and those consoles are only capable of 480p at the most. N64, just let the angrylion plug-in do the sizing because it is the most accurate and sizes do vary sometimes, unless something doesn't look right, then use Glide64. The other sections are perfectly fine from what I can tell. -- 18:42, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
 * The answer has been revealed by the silly goose: Sandbox. You can also ask . You can also view source code in your browser of Special:RecentChanges (output is HTML and not PHP). -- 19:21, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
 * You're welcome! -- 21:38, 7 July 2016 (EDT)

Now for Image use policy. I saw you create a sandbox version too of that page. I have had a discussion open for months without a reply: MarioWiki talk:Image Use Policy The sandbox page I created just yesterday, I am looking to see the changes be implemented immediately because the edit is so minor. What do you think? Should my recommended change be implemented right away? -- 15:29, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Just to be clear, my draft is just header insertion and your draft looks like a complete overhaul of the MarioWiki policy page. I can understand a proposal for the overhaul, but not really so much for my draft. -- 17:17, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
 * OK. One problem. Only two admins responded. liked the idea but the now deceased  disapproved. I would like this to be heard by all admins so I can put my discussion to rest without the need for a proposal. As for your draft(s), make sure to include the section about cropping screenshots. It doesn't look like your draft(s) include that.  mandated that black borders be cropped and if such a crop occurs, it has to be documented in . -- 17:33, 10 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Just checking in because I saw you edited my page (sorry, it was a 1:1 copy before I strictly added the headers and I didn't realize I copied the category). Did a discussion about my proposed change happen yet? If so, do they agree with my changes? -- 00:13, 22 July 2016 (EDT)

re: Moving image titles

 * Hello, thanks for your recent image title moves. The new names are clearer and more specific. But in future, please remember to tag all the old redirects left behind with . The procedure is to delete redirects to images. Thanks, and keep contributing.

Fair enough for the most part. The only thing is that the wrong-title for the Powerfest SMB:TLL logo was still linked on a User: page that I couldn't edit. - Reboot (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I have an ever-growing gripe as to how useless Special:WantedFiles has become. To reduce chances of contributing to that mess, I try to take a screenshot as close as possible to the image that needs to be replaced. If the image of terrible quality is PNG, I make sure to click Upload a new version of this file instead of going to Special:Upload. If the image is not a PNG, I just hope the image is not being linked to a page I can't edit. -- 17:17, 9 July 2016 (EDT)

PNG Monster
If you want to give a better alternative to PNG Monster a try, play around with 's ExplodePNG and my PNG Monstrous. It includes a very recent PNG optimizer that claims to be 5-10% better than the leading PNG optimizer (pngout). -- 03:54, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

Protected File
Why did you protect File:NintendoClassicNES UK.jpg to only allow sysops permission to edit? I have seen many featured items on Main Page and the files linked were never protected. This is just an odd choice to me. I have seen Autoconfirmed users permission on articles, but never full blown protection (except for help, policy, and template pages). -- 16:38, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Alright then. Since the image was switched over to File:NES Classic Edition.jpg and that became protected instead of File:NintendoClassicNES UK.jpg, it needs Category:Nintendo Entertainment System Images. -- 16:54, 14 July 2016 (EDT)

Delete Archive Versions of Files
Occasionally, I see you delete archived versions of files. Seems like a good idea if the archived versions are mistakes with uploads or reversion warring (similar to edit warring, which is against the rules, don't know where though it says so). I see two versions in File:Super Mario 64 DS logo.png uploaded by you that looked like a mistake you immediately reverted. Want to delete them? -- 21:41, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Since my mind is on the subject, can you remove all but the first and last versions of File:Super chick sisters.svg? -- 02:40, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Actually, just wipe out 7 of those 10 versions of those images. The first version, the second to latest revision, and the latest revision stay. -- 05:00, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks for those deletions. Unfortunately, a mistake was made to my request. I guess I wasn't clear enough. The middle revision was one I wanted deleted. The revision I wanted to stay was one linking to a MediaWiki page. -- 15:00, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
 * OK, and to finish it off, delete the revision that has the comment Didn't look like that before. Let's try this one. (delete log should say 20160717061823!Super_chick_sisters.svg was deleted). The 3 revisions I wanted to be left alone is to serve as notes that I attempted to understand the SVG format; to make it compatible with MediaWiki, the software that MarioWiki uses. Something is telling me that the SVG to PNG conversion (behind the scenes) is glitchy. When the SVG displays on real webpages, it shows a PNG rather than the real SVG so that way browsers that have inferior or no SVG support can still view the image the way it was meant to be viewed. -- 16:57, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

You seem to be the go-to guy for deleting older revisions of files. Delete 's revisions for File:NASuperGameBoy.jpg. -- 03:53, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
 * File:1-UpMushroomNSMB2.png, delete the two February 14, 2016 and the two June 24, 2016 revisions please! -- 18:03, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Accidently uploaded twice: File:W4 SM3DL.png and File:LuigiStarWorld.png. -- 22:15, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I hate to keep bugging you about this: File:SM3DL Prolog5.png -- 17:38, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Two things:
 * The reason I wanted the older version deleted is because File:SM3DL Prolog3.png was uploaded as a standalone file.
 * Would other sysops agree to delete revisions as you would? I'm starting to think there should be a designated page to request deletion of older versions of files, such as those that are the result of revision wars (edit wars) or upload mistakes. That way any sysop can fulfill the delete request.
 * -- 15:41, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

File:DizzyDandy SMW2.png Here is another one but this time wasn't my doing. -- 15:38, 8 August 2016 (EDT)
 * File:LMDM Sneakers Old Clockworks.png, delete revisions,   (File:LMDM Sneaker.png), and  . -- 21:34, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

RE: Young Professor Elvin Gadd
No worries. I didn't even know they were split once before. It's so easy to be completely unaware of a past proposal until someone links it to me. :P

RE: Multiple edits to a page
Sorry about that Luigi's Mansion edit thing. I was reading the article for my own pleasure when I realised there were lots of grammar errors in a section, and when I found another badly written section I just went through the whole thing. Next time I'll make sure to do it all it one edit. Thanks for the tip! Quizmelon.

(P.S. I'd like to make a signature, but can't work out how to change the text or add pictures or anything like that. Do you know how?)

Play Nintendo Artwork
On 's talk, I edited the SVGs to have the Play Nintendo image category and included them in Play Nintendo. He reverted my edits. I explained my rationale to him. What do you think? Should my original edits stand (linking and +category) or should the images be left alone (no linking and -category)? -- 19:29, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I can think of a non-Play Nintendo example where we can just use two or more image categories for one image: File:MKDDMushroom.png gets used by both Mario Kart: Double Dash!! and Mario Kart DS. Anyways, just be sure to update that my edits were fine for the SVGs and page and should be reverted. -- 20:08, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Talk page archive: Oops! Didn't realize I went over 100 different discussions! Before your return to MarioWiki, I established my own rule that I would be archiving after the 100th discussion saw resolution. I'll be sure to archive soon. -- 20:18, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Sounds good for the edit I was looking to make for the image use policy page. -- 20:25, 23 July 2016 (EDT)

Vandalism policy
Hello. I noticed that recently Vandalism was revamped and also had MarioWiki:Trolls merged with it. I'm wondering, did that stem from the proposal I made in the past to delete the page as it was too similar to MarioWiki:Vandalism (the idea of rewriting it was also put forward in the proposal discussion), or was the whole thing a separate admin decision? 12:38, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Alright, thanks. 16:41, 26 July 2016 (EDT)

Re:Reminder
actually I saw you swap around numbers back on I think the first archive and I misconstrued it and assumed you wanted the numbers from large to small. sorry about that 17:44, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
 * alright. tbh I think a reminder is a tad harsh but it's fine. thanks 17:52, 26 July 2016 (EDT)

Thanks!
Thanks for the compliment for my contributions of Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition here. A few members made some pretty helpful contributions for the game, but I'm the one that's been at it on-and-off for over a year now. Doesn't help that it's not exactly a popular game, which seems to be why not many people have made contributions for it, lol. --Zootalo (talk) 19:55, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Precisely... and it's always good to know that such contributions aren't going unnoticed. --Zootalo (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2016 (EDT)

General Comments About Your Return to Sysop
From what I can understand, you departed from MarioWiki July 23, 2014 and didn't return until nearly two years later. I registered April 30, 2010, only doing a handful of contributions over the course of five years but didn't start becoming really active until November 18, 2015 submitting mostly replacement screenshots and other images near daily. I have only seen you through comments on older talk page discussions and I thought you were just another member gone passé or something (not sure the best way to describe your leave because I have seen once active regular members just disappear based on talk pages and looking at file histories). seems to fit this description. Anyways, it wasn't until you got sysop status a month or so ago did I learn and realize the extent of your contributions and understanding of MarioWiki. Just some noteworthy points about what I have noticed about your more recent contributions: Overall, your return has seen a positive influence on the wiki! Please stay if and when you start considering again leaving! I don't usually do these sort of comments but appreciation should be mentioned when it is deserved. -- 00:39, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I see you have implementing much needed changes to MarioWiki, such as fixing images tagged with showing up in Special:UnusedFiles and your recent modification to  putting in GMT time. I also left a comment here.
 * You are very eager to cooperate with others asking for your assistance!
 * For, I noticed you are putting in the prefix File: and (maybe) using (such as your edits to Play Nintendo). I don't know for sure why those were there on some other articles I have edited. What I understand now is that they can be removed or excluded with no ill effect. Maybe before 2014, there was a weird glitch with galleries that has since been fixed in between your departure period. I know this wasn't much of a comment remarking on good changes but I felt like you might not be informed about something changed.

Mario Party (series)
Hey YoshiKong, do you think you could re-protect the Mario Party (series) page? Anons have been adding false information to it again and the first protection expired a week ago. Thanks!

Admin noticeboard
Is there a reason why the header text at the top isn't a separate template as with MarioWiki:Proposals? It may make the page less cluttered and allow users to put reports faster. 20:44, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Ok, that makes sense as I didn't realize the page was semiprotected. Also would it be a good idea to add a link to the noticeboard on the front page or something? 15:17, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Actually I just saw the link in the recent changes after writing that, lol, but maybe the link or something should be added to Vandalism as well. 15:19, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

Two Images
Not sure why you reinstated this image because we have this screenshot and this sprite. Having the image you put back just seems redundant to me. -- 16:48, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
 * How so significantly different? Also it is beneficial to use images more than once if it can be done. I have an idea to meet in the middle. -- 17:54, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Nope. Both are from emulators on a PC. If I remember correctly, both images are from the same level as well. Used estimated palate swapping from JPEGs on Miiverse to reflect the current release status of the game. I can't even get the PNG screenshots to work on my 3DS with that particular title. 3DS homebrew is buggy and very hit or miss over the two days finally being able to work with it by the use of the browserhax exploit. Side note, if you have a 3DS, you should try homebrewing (User:Wildgoosespeeder/sandbox). -- 18:24, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

A question…
Since Mecha-Boss Unit has been blocked infinetely for sockpuppetting as Boss Unit and many other accounts, pretending Boss Unit was an impersonator, and ban evading, can you please give me a new username that he's using? General Xerneas, his talk page, and contributions! 18:20, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Transcripts
Can you please add articles that involve transcripts of, The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3, and Super Mario World cartoon? Please?

User talk:Madbird82 0:23, 30 July 2016 (EDT)

Reason why I couldn't log in? My mom banned me from having account on this wiki six months ago.

User talk:Madbird82 14:57, 30 July 2016 (EDT)

Volcano Shot
Hi YoshiKong, I noticed that you put the Category:Mario Tennis: Power Tour onto the Volcano Shot article, however I realised that the Category:Mario Tennis: Power Tour Power Shots also exists, which is in the previously mentioned category. Does this mean that the category that you placed on the article is not needed as it is already within a category that's within that category? (I can't find where the category guide page is btw.) - 08:32, 2 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the link, I've had a quick read over it and haven't found an exact answer to my question yet. What the article does seem to imply is that categories main purpose is for navigation, and having only the most specific category makes articles with non-specific categories easier to find and see. I'll wait for your reply and thoughts before I do anything, however. - 08:10, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

images
Some image replacements:
 * File:Fluree kissing Mario.jpg -> File:PMTTYD Flurrie kiss.png -- the former picture is still in use on a user page
 * File:Magnus.jpg -> File:PMTTYD Magnus screenshot.png -- the former being used both in userspace and in the 'Shroom


 * And about File:Bowser-TFPSectionDec2013.png: can 'Shroom images be reused for mainspace articles? It could be used to replace File:Bowser PM2.jpg somehow.

Thanks. -- 06:08, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
 * What about images linked to only on user talk pages? This picture is nominated for "higher quality requested" on L151's talk page, but it is then removed from the mainspace. -- 12:05, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I have no idea. Probably not. -  20:03, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I have gripes with not being able to edit and most sysops declining to edit user pages to replace an image that isn't . I purposely try to get a high quality screenshot match as close as possible to the current version of the image. That way they are interchangeable. In return, it doesn't cause Special:WantedFiles to be rendered useless. -- 15:00, 5 August 2016 (EDT)

Help wanted in proposal creation
Hello, YoshiKong,

Since you offered me help before, I thought I might as well ask you again, as the Proposals article on the wiki is not making things very easy for me. I intend to create a proposal, but I can't tell if the proposal's title belongs in the 'Subject' box, or in the talk box itself. I want to make it look professional, but I'm worried I'll make a mistake. Can you offer advice?

All the best,

Quizmelon (talk) 11:37, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

Blocking of Fawful's Minion
I don't know why you blocked. From his past behavior, he has shown much improvement and wanting to get on people's good side. Please reconsider. -- 03:41, 7 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Hello Wildgoosespeeder. Edit warring, and using witty or provocative comments against a vandal are both warnable offenses. Due to Fawful Minion's large disciplinary history and numerous amounts of reminders/warnings, I strongly feel that a ban, rather than another warning, was justified. I have set the ban for two weeks, as it was the first disciplinary ban given to Fawful's Minion, as per the recommended blocking procedure.


 * However, I will ask the other administrators to review the ban and it's length. I will provide you with their opinion soon.


 * Thanks, 15:37, 8 August 2016 (EDT)


 * OK. I was concerned about this block in particular because he was actively getting in contact with me (and I think any sysop) to make sure his contributions were less questionable or not questionable anymore. -- 15:46, 8 August 2016 (EDT)

The other admins have agreed that the ban was justified, as per my given reasons. Thanks, 05:06, 10 August 2016 (EDT)


 * I just checked back in. Bummer. I was really hoping the ban would be nullified. Thanks for trying. -- 16:59, 16 August 2016 (EDT)

Sorry, still confused.
Hello again,

Thanks for your advice on the proposals, but I'm still a bit confused as what you said contradicts with what the Proposals page says. My proposal concerns a large number of articles, but the Proposals page states that if it is a specific group of articles, then it still belongs as a Talk Page Proposal. Now I'm not sure whether to put it as a Talk Page Proposal or a Miscellaneous Proposal. Can you help?

Thanks,

Quizmelon (talk) 07:36, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

RE: Aqua Lakitu Img
I could only find one location where they are found and the article lacked any sort of location. The way the Aqua Lakitu is depicted in that screenshot, they don't peer their head out all the way, unless the water is running and not in a pool: Not sure what to do here. -- 17:58, 10 August 2016 (EDT)

RE: Help:Screenshot
Most sections feel like they are complete with the necessary information. The only sections I don't feel 100% confident the section is complete are N64 (Expansion Pak actually increasing internal resolution from 320x240 to 640x480 for games that can utilize it because the angrylion plugin doesn't respond as such from what I was led to believe), GCN/Wii (pesky no pixel accurate screenshots, forcing me to compensate with oversized images), Wii U (homebrew-ready but no way to get clean PNGs unlike 3DS homebrew), GBA (mGBA emulator may be better and 3DS homebrew has a port of it), and DS/DSi (the best emulator is not graphically accurate). The saves, cheating, and passwords section I hope encourages people to try emulators to both lower iteration time and to get a high quality screenshot so that way they feel they don't have to play the game twice or use the terrible quality YouTube route. We can do better than that. -- 19:12, 10 August 2016 (EDT)

about the enemy boxes
Hi. I saw your reply to my comment on Proposals. My original intention was to include the probability in the "item" entry for The Thousand-Year Door enemy boxes, but I now no longer suggest it since the document I cited forbids reusing the content without consent and credit. In addition, the drop rate is determined by several factors and hard to be summarized by a single fraction. For the Wikidata part, I consider the same data being duplicated on the bestiaries as well as individual enemy pages suboptimal due to the reasons stated on Once and only once, but there is no better alternative around since we currently only have text replacement and macro-like conditional constructs in our template mechanism unlike Wiktionary, where people can write Lua to store and retrieve structured information conveniently.

There is one thing that could be improved, though. It seems that the "item" entries in the Paper Mario series are incomplete. For example, our list of Goomba profiles and statistics says Goombas in The Thousand-Year Door can hold "Dried Shroom, Fire Flower, Close Call", while the document I cited lists also Tasty Tonic, Sleepy Sheep, Mini Mr. Mini, Close Call P, and Power Jump as it is a complete hacking into the game and can detect hard-to-find ones. The Thousand-Year Door bestiary as well as the enemy boxes scattered among the wiki could be updated to reflect current research. For Paper Mario, however, there is no such document as far as I know and the best we could do is to list the ones people have found by manual searching. Do you think it is a good idea to add a mouseover text to the Paper Mario enemy box saying that the listed items might be incomplete? 23:47, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the reply. Actually it was who did most of the work and I was just re-posting this user's discovery. It seems that requiring consent for reusing content is a special cult on GameFAQs, and Zootalo mentioned that the author of that document posted the data also on personal website.   05:22, 11 August 2016 (EDT)

Wrong Deletion
File:MTOBlueY.png wasn't supposed to be deleted. File:BlueYoshiTennisIcon.png was supposed to be deleted. -- 18:11, 14 August 2016 (EDT)

Answer regarding edit
Hello, Ben! Nice to converse with you again after such a long time. I am fine, thank you! Also, thanks for your appreciation towards my recent edits! On to our main business, it's only now that I notice the respective screenshot goes unused and I am sorry for not paying more attention (I eventually moved it here, don't worry). However, it does not picture Trench Tucks at all. This is why I wiped the image off the article, intending to replace it with a convenient and relevant picture sometime later, when I have time. Sure, you can google "trench tuck" and find a very delicate image of the penguin enemy over a black background, but it is an in-game screenshot that had the toy stand shopped out (if you played the game, you know what I mean). Since I want to keep the screenshot in the vain of other relevant ones, such as [[Media:Blue Hootz.png|this]] and [[Media:Walnut.png|this]] (notice how the characters stand on wooden supports), I prefer not to leech it from the Internet and be more original. -- 17:02, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
 * You're welcome! -- 17:41, 15 August 2016 (EDT)

Enemy boxes (again)
For Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, I found that some of the enemy tattles on the wiki are incomplete (lacking the part where Goombella states the enemy's Max HP, Attack and Defense), and there is a better source containing the complete tattles. However, the enemy boxes are duplicated on the individual enemy pages as well as on the bestiary. If I were to update those enemy pages to add the complete version of the tattles, should these edits be marked minor or not?

Thanks. --  04:38, 17 August 2016 (EDT)

RE: image category
Sometimes, the game images that belong to the game gallery aren't linked there yet. Gallery pages are prone to desyncs. -- 00:15, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Image replacement
Hello YoshiKong. By browsing the wiki's existing PMTTYD literature, I found several JPG, low-resolution images that seem to be from an early build of the game and is therefore hard to replicate on emulators. For example, this is an image of such kind illustrating Riddle Tower:
 * [[File:Riddle Tower.JPG]]

while the best I can get by playing the game is:
 * Riddle Tower.png (with the third floor out of camera)

Can such screenshots be replaced for "better quality"? Thanks. -- 00:35, 19 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Thanks for the answer. I'm not sure if it's really from an early build. It could also be taken from Nintendo's website or official player guide, where things can be represented differently from the in-game camera. There is also this picture for which the moon can not be captured in full by the in-game camera. In such cases, is it better to favor content (leave it as is) or quality (replace it with the in-game camera version in mainspace)?  09:40, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
 * To reassure, I do this too if the differences are noticeable. I've done it to a few Super Mario Galaxy pages and images where someone was using the beta screenshot for the main article. Just be sure to add Category:Pre-release and unused images to applicable images. -- 19:36, 19 August 2016 (EDT)

I have noticed that some pre-release images can be prone to unwanted edits because they weren't categorized with Pre-release and unused images. I have a template idea. Mix that with using a bot for the category I mentioned to auto change over to the template and this is an easy fix for a category of about ~1,250 images. Only question is the template good enough for proposal? Feel free to edit. -- 00:28, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Art Reduction In Dimensions
File:PMCS - Princess Peach.png - Why would you reduce the pixels? I can understand cropping to remove a surrounding transparent or colored border but reduction of pixels? MediaWiki caches a scaled down version automatically, which is much smaller in file size, without affecting the source image. This happens when thumb,, or when is done when linking if the file dimensions are bigger than those values. -- 17:57, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
 * You can have a picture be 100000x100000 as long as the file size is below 10MB (probably limited to toon shading and/or 256-color depth or lower as that has far more pixel redundancies). Dimensions aren't really the problem. -- 18:43, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Limit says so Special:Upload. -- 19:03, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
 * OK, 100000x100000 is excessive (and my computer throws a memory error trying to create an image with those kind of dimensions). I was trying to make a point how under the right circumstances, dimensions don't matter because MediaWiki will auto-resize and cache that reduced version without affecting the source image. It does this because it would be extremely inefficient to use the larger image. I rely on file size only because that is all one has to worry about with this Wiki in almost all situations. -- 19:21, 19 August 2016 (EDT)

Sorry
Hey YoshiKong. I'm back from my ban, sorry for edit warring with a vandal two weeks ago. I'm over that now especially putting in stupid dumb messages as edit summaries. I've changed ... I will no longer be making silly mistakes like this anymore. I just wanted to be a good user like you guys but I guess I pushed it to the limit. I may just stick to maintenance and quality control for now. As of now you will be seeing an all new FM.
 * P.S I may even join The 'Shroom while I'm here.
 * P.P.S I don't want to sound picky here but could you please hide those edit summaries as well. I am somewhat ashamed by them and it makes me look bad thanks for taking time to read this and I hope you have a great day. 04:35, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Edit Sig
For the sake of preserving talk pages for historical reference, can you modify User:Mrsdaisyluigi/sig? Change File:Spm chaos-heart.jpg to File:SPM Chaos Heart.png. It will make it much easier to see what pages need to be changed (if any). It's almost the exact same image. Both images reference the Chaos Heart in the intro before the title screen appears. -- 16:43, 23 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Thanks man! -- 18:08, 23 August 2016 (EDT)

Image Categorization
I noticed you have to repeat yourself letting people know that they should categorize by game the images they upload. I had an idea to create a template based off of : User:Wildgoosespeeder/Template:ImageCategorization-reminder. Good idea? You can make edits if you feel it needs to be tweaked. The above is a test and not a real warning (obviously). -- 17:02, 24 August 2016 (EDT)


 * It should be given a simpler name, such as . I do think this issue happens often enough to warrant a pre-written template to transclude on user talk pages. But there are many other common misteps that users take, for example using the word "you" in articles, or failing to italicize game titles. I like your template, but I'm afraid that this will set a precedent to continue creating more and more pre-loaded reminder messages.  was created because it was very time consuming to explain to users that what they were doing is actually a problem, and explaining on removing unnecessary parts. Plus, it standardizes the message that users can just remove the aboutfile coding if they don't want to use it. Different users may impose different preferences to users on this: some users could say "you gotta use the template correctly, or else", and others could say "please format the template correctly if you would like to use it, but if not just remove it".


 * Categorizing images by game is mandatory, and therefore there is little need to standardize any message. But I understand the time that's consumed telling users off about it individually. To reiterate I'm just concerned that together with aboutfile-reminder, it will set an example to create many other pre-written reminders. Although, we could say that these standard file uploading reminders are where we draw the line. Issues with users breaking the Manual of Style should be personally written using specific linked examples of where the users have gone wrong.


 * I will bring your proposed templates to the other members of staff for their opinion. Thanks.


 * 17:42, 24 August 2016 (EDT)


 * I consider templates for Image use policy and Manual of Style two separate issues. I was merely trying to create a template that extends, which I see as a proper way to handle contents of file pages (not the images themselves), which isn't all that much compared to articles. Writing is a whole different beast of explanation. It may be simpler to create a template that links to the various writing policies and insert an additional parameter to let users know what writing guideline(s) they violated.
 * -- 19:23, 24 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Another admin agrees that a standardized template message on the issue of categorizing images would be useful. And in my opinion, it should be called "category-reminder". Having "image" becomes cumbersome, and this would be the only reminder template for categories which would be created: I think the the only pre-loaded reminders which should be created are those which concern the "content" field on the upload page (other image-related stuff like correct naming is best referred straight to the policy, and violations of writing guidelines should be written individually, preferably using examples as corrections).


 * Before the template is created, I'd like to see a proper consensus beyond ourselves and another admin to see if there were further opinions. I encourage you to create a proposal: I'd support it.


 * 18:19, 28 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Just as a side thing, with 's help to temporarily remove the category of and,  and I went through images to insert the missing category. There was a lot missing and it was tedious. So tedious that the project was abandoned. Read up on it on his talk page (it's archived). -- 19:23, 24 August 2016 (EDT)
 * What about updating the instructions on Special:Upload (MediaWiki:Uploadtext) to cover the point of image categorization by game?  18:31, 26 August 2016 (EDT)

What went down: At the time, we only got two tags completed and I was mentally exhausted editing those images. There were a couple thousand images to go through. The project was suspended. -- 18:58, 26 August 2016 (EDT)
 * 1) Asked to remove Category:Game screenshots and Category:Game sprites from their templates.
 * 2) Some images had used and  explicitly, so those were modified to use the template instead.
 * 3) Steve purged cache, which forced affected images missing a game image category to go into Special:UncategorizedFiles and nothing was in Category:Game screenshots and Category:Game sprites.
 * 4) Steve,, and I went through remaining images, although L151 did more than both of us combined.
 * 5) Steve periodically refreshed the cache to see what remains.
 * 6) Steve created additional categories for images that didn't fit anywhere else.
 * 7) Once complete with one copyright tag, we moved onto the next.

Any word on this? With the recent Nintendo Direct and a flood of uploads, thought it would be a good time to ask. -- 19:37, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
 * No, not adding the missing categories to the images. The template idea. -- 14:17, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
 * OK. Proposal up. -- 02:47, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Proposal passed. I changed the transclusion to be of the template itself and not my sandbox for an official test. -- 21:03, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Mario isn't just limited to video games and TV, which is what the template links to currently. There's categories like movies, comics, websites (Play Nintendo), merchandise, and other things I can't think of that this Wiki documents. There are also system images. The idea I had was to create a category for MediaWiki:Uploadtext and to link to that makes finding the right, or would Category:MarioWiki images be sufficient (I don't think so)? -- 15:27, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't it be a good idea to cover everything instead of just games? I'm not suggesting linking to Category:MarioWiki images from the template. I was thinking of a subcategory of it that houses the "Images by..." categories. The mass majority of Category:Images by type (even before my recent edits) contain Help:License tags. I have a thought that either Category:Images by type be merged with Category:Images by copyright status or Category:Images by type becomes a subcategory of Category:Images by copyright status (I think the ladder makes more sense). -- 16:22, 11 September 2016 (EDT)

Screenshots
Um…, I have a few questions about screenshots. The first is what if someone uploads borderless Paper Mario screenshots from an external website? The second is, some emulators break the boundaries between “screenshots” and “3D renderings.” For examples, N64 screenshots that consists mainly of 3D objects, like this one, exhibits Nintendo's content better when rendered at a higher resolution. The Dolphin emulator even allows the player to enlarge the viewport like this. Are such images considered to be screenshots or 3D renderings, or a “hybrid” between the two? — 12:19, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
 * It is advised to not use an external website for images because there is near-zero quality control. Use with caution. The source you provided is terrible anyways and, at the time, I was replacing those images one by one with clean versions but we had a discussion about screenshots with borders so I lost interest with Paper Mario up until Boo's Mansion.
 * I think that custom 3D renders can be exempt from the pixel accuracy screenshots thing as long as no HUD elements are present, because emulating at higher resolutions than what a real N64 can do internally has issues with HUD elements being upscaled and filtered improperly (very common with the most commonly used graphics plug-ins). The angrylion's plug-in does things automatically and reproduces things pixel-accurately as best as it can.
 * -- 19:17, 26 August 2016 (EDT)

Re: Your subpage
Thanks for letting me know. I will just write it out now although the name of the user will still be in green. 17:34, 29 August 2016 (EDT)

Friends
Hey YoshiKong, this is the first time I asked (you) want to be friends. :) 20:08, 29 August 2016 (EDT)
 * P.S I don't have a friend template so feel free to make your own as long as it has [[File:Growth spurt by fawfuls minion-d9k7cpu copy.png]] in it.

Two Wrong Deletions
File:Group of Slammers.png and File:GearUpBedLMDM.png should have been deleted. Restore File:GearUpLMDM.png and File:LuigiBed.png. -- 04:53, 30 August 2016 (EDT)


 * That's what happens when I'm rushing. All fixed now. – YoshiKong 04:59, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

RE:Goal Article
Hey, thanks! I was thinking I'd just keep updating it, actually, as there are a few other goals that aren't listed. I may tune in to the thread if I have the time (or remember :P).

Credit should probably go to for this, though, as they're the one who made the first edit regarding this. 17:08, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I can split it between game series, sure! Currently working on the rest in my Sandbox and I'll edit the Goal page once I'm done. Also, should I list them by name or by game? Which do you think would be easier to read? 17:16, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

Okay, cool. I'll get the main article done first, and then I'll worry about the pictures. 17:35, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

Oh, sure, go ahead. Just be aware of edit conflicts :D 18:08, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

Alright. I'll keep working on the article, seeing what other goals I can find. 18:54, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

I think I've done all I can for the article in my Sandbox. Care to look over it? 19:30, 30 August 2016 (EDT)

Alternate way to change text Color
On help format it says you can change the text Color by coding. There is also another way to do so and that is like this: red (example: blue ) shouldn't this be mentioned on Help:Format because I can't edit the page. Thanks. :) 19:54, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

Tik Tok On The Clock, 'Shroom Deadline Is Coming Up


I think you've mistaking me for someone who gives a toss ;) – YoshiKong 15:04, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

Can I ask something about affiliate site?
Hi Yoshikong! I'm not sure whom I should ask about affiliate site registration, so I'm leaving this message to you. I recently added 'Super Mario Community' as an affiliate site, and I'm wondering if it's okay to just upload the icon and note some information on the site. As the fansite is entirely done in Korean, we've prepared English version of introduction on the webpage. You can find out here: https://supermariokrblog.wordpress.com/ So please check and let me know if the site deserves to remain on the list. Thanks! :) --Jjl0909 (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2016 (EDT)


 * Hi again! Thanks for your reply. As you mentioned, I checked the general rule and made the icon externally linked using own website. And I think it's a nice idea to add the note you suggested. Hope you have a nice weekend! --Jjl0909 (talk) 12:18, 10 September 2016 (EDT)

RE: Blue Bowser art
From the Japanese cover of Super Mario Bros. -- L    151   11:05, 11 September 2016 (EDT)

RE: DK64 bios
No, because I haven't downloaded a Flash player yet, if that is what I need to do. I'll get on it right now and see what I can do.

Edit: I can get the Flash player run successfully, but the bios I find, I can't download them as images. I'll write down the bios ASAP for now though. 17:35, 11 September 2016 (EDT)

While I was unable to find a way to save the bios and whatnot as images and upload them, I did find even more info about the game, including the bios for the worlds, items and even the story. I'll add those bios later when I get the chance to do it. 17:35, 11 September 2016 (EDT)

Re:Super Mario Land 2-related questions
Japanese names:
 * トグツク (Togutsuku) (covered already)
 * ヤシチ (Yashichi)
 * フリゾー (Furizō)
 * ファイアボール (Faiabōru) (covered already, and not from SML2)
 * ファイア (Faia) (fireballs spat out by ファイアパックン像 (Fire Pakkun Zō))
 * カラメンボー (Karamenbō) (covered already)

Also, the "Spiked Ball" artwork isn't a regular Spiked Ball at all, but an object similar to Esukatama called トーサンボール (Tōsanbōru), which I actually intended to make a page for a while back.

Niiue (talk) 22:28, 16 September 2016 (EDT)

Welcome back
Hey, welcome back!

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to let you know I'm glad to see you again. 07:16, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
 * That's nice to hear! By the way, kind of a silly request, but would you mind editing my userbox on your user page? It currently reads "and have written his name on his testament" which is weird for several reasons. If you could replace the text with "This user befriended Banon!", I'd appreciate it. And then I can go back to not caring too much about user pages :p 17:29, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Heh, you gave me a good chuckle :) Anyway, take care. I don't have a lot of free time right now, mainly because of school, but I'll see you around! À bientôt ! 17:40, 18 September 2016 (EDT)

Paper Jam Enemy stats
A while back, Madbird82 posted some enemy statistic data for the Shiny Paper enemies in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, as well as data of enemies and bosses from the game's Easy Mode. Thing is, other than this spreadsheet Jdaster64 made for most of the enemies, there's no known data regarding the Shiny Paper variants to compare Madbird's data to (even if the S.P. stats are derived from their normal Paper counterparts). Two months ago, I asked Madbird how they got the stats, but they didn't bother to elaborate beyond just claiming they "know mathematics very well" and it took them "three months to figure everything out". I even asked them if they used certain stat manipulation methods to gather their data, but they never answered back. What do you make of this? --

Featured Images Conflict
For historical reference purposes, I found to replace File:SPP Artwork.jpg, but I can't edit two pages. Can you fix that? -- 20:37, 19 September 2016 (EDT)

some screenshot-related questions
Hello YoshiKong. I'll get my own computer next month and be able to start taking screenshots. Before that I have a few questions to ask:
 * 1) Wildgoosespeeder mentioned that the some of the screenshots on List of Star Pieces in Paper Mario had issues due to conversion from JPEG and GIF to PNG. Would it be worthwhile to retake them? I'm not sure if it's good to bloat up the file histories for little quality improvement.
 * 2) If a 640x480 Paper Mario screenshot is of higher quality than a 320x240 one, is it OK to upload a 640x480 one (if it does not break page consistency)?
 * 3) A lot of Paper Mario screenshots have been uploaded to the wiki and some of them, if compared with the hardware output of the same scene, lack the black borders present in the latter. The problem is that it's not sure if they have been cropped, since many uploaders just state the game name in the source parameter without mentioning where they got their screenshots. (I would guess emulators for most of them, though.) Is there anything that needs to be done to existing screenshots that are borderless in this sense?

Thanks. — 09:44, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Banana Coin proposal
Can you please cancel and archive the Banana Coin proposal I made? The coins were already merged on one page, and I did not need to create the TPP to begin with. 18:54, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Problematic User
I have tried to talk to several times about his uploads and has refused to listen. I have given this user, , , and all for the same thing. This user has been a hassle to keep up with. -- 14:42, 28 September 2016 (EDT)

Cat:RPG Items
I wanted to get your opinion on the RPG Items - General and RPG Items - Special categories. I find them to be both overly redundant with other games' item categories and overly broad by lumping together entries from SMRPG, the M&L series, and the PM series into one messy category. Still, they've been in place for a long while and they were created by an admin, so I didn't want to start mass-removing them or doing anything drastic before I heard from someone else. 16:51, 28 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Having them as a parent category isn't a bad idea, but I'm not sure if that would be completely consistent with the other broad categories for the RPGs, such as Paper Mario Series and its subcategories or Mario & Luigi Series and its subcategories. Assuming that each game gets an item category, all of them would probably funnel into a broader category within that series, such as Category:Paper Mario Series Items. Would these parent categories then lead into the RPG Item categories? It just seems unwieldy and not all that necessary.


 * As for Beanbean Kingdom, I kept that mostly for posterity but after having thought about it for a long while, I'm largely in favour of getting rid of it. I was thinking that maybe it could be retooled for another purpose, but honestly I haven't been able to come up with anything. I've sort-of lumped it in with Category:Beanish, which is vague about what it's supposed to cover and has been used for a variety of characters, enemies, and items in Superstar Saga: there's something of potential in them, but I can't think of what that may be. Any thoughts on that? 17:47, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * The first thing that actually came to mind for me was whether or not other genres should receive such a treatment. The Mario series hasn't dived too deeply into anything beyond the platformer, but if we're going forward with a parent RPG category, then having a similar category for the platformers, sports, party, puzzle, and others shouldn't be too out of the question. Of course, the items wouldn't be the only ones to have a category: there are plenty of characters, bosses, enemies, locations, and much more that should also get such a category if this idea continues forward. And this would also apply to other genres, and soon enough we'll have an entire new branch to add to the example tree. Or maybe we could save ourselves the headache by getting rid of these two and simply directing each category to the main categories instead of completely reorganizing the system for categories.
 * I do agree that Beanish would work better as a species category instead of an awkward catch-all (although I'm not sure if the name is official...), but why do you think Beanish characters from later games shouldn't use the category? 19:39, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Ah, sorry for misreading that. Also, don't think too deeply about the paragraph I wrote above, that was just for a punchline at the end. The categories would cause too much confusion if we followed the logical path that would ensue after properly implementing them, so I'm in favor of scrapping them. 19:53, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Reason for removal
I know I'm not the one you talked to, but the reason for this removal of info is because Toadsworth doesn't actually appear in the crowd. I just checked, he's nowhere to be found. 18:09, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Guess I was wrong, though I didn't see him anywhere when I checked... File:Waluigi Stadium Crowd.gif 19:20, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Also, I'm pretty sure this user's name is unacceptable. 19:49, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

RE: Hey
This is how I usually upload new images to replace older ones when I can't simply upload a newer version of a file:

1. Upload a new file, and immediatelly tag the old one for deletion.

2. Remove any page links the old file may have, and link them with the new file instead.

I was in the middle of a few other edits after I uploaded the new Krockhead file, but I didn't forget about the DKC2 gallery part, though I appreciate the reminder about it anyways. 18:54, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Mario Party (series) #2
Hey yk, might need to protect the page again...

Man, this guy really wants the Koopalings to be in Mario Party. 02:28, 3 October 2016 (EDT)


 * Thanks! 02:53, 3 October 2016 (EDT)

about maps
Hi—I took a look at your "Image use policy" WIP and it forbade maps with unofficial annotations. Would this image (or this) have to be deleted? (In addition it is also a refactor of the game elements, and the artist, Peardian, told me via email that they were not happy to see their work posted here with the credit part cropped out anyway.)  09:22, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
 * (1) Oh sorry, I overlooked the header. Well which license tag should these two maps have? They are currently tagged but the viewport got more drastically stretched than File:PMTTYD Rogueport Inn.png...
 * (2) By the way, I'm not sure where to report this but The 'Shroom:Issue 112/Pipe Plaza refers to the late Walkazo's brother as . He's called  on this wiki so these are actually red links in disguise.
 * (3) While we're at it, there are also these PMTTYD screenshots that have the black borders removed. In contrast with the black borders in Paper Mario's which are hardly-noticeable on real console, the black borders in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door are part of the cutscene effect and thus part of the "content". Cropping them out results in images that look like this (awfully "bald" in my opinion):


 * 10:20, 4 October 2016 (EDT)


 * And sometimes a 3D render is produced by the method of taking a screenshot and cropping the background. This gives satisfactory results most of the time, but sometimes the object is transparent so the background sneaks in. File:Tweester.gif File:Transparent.png Are these still considered 3D renders or rather screenshots? --  21:28, 4 October 2016 (EDT)