Talk:Antasma

Gender??
GameXplain referred to Antasma as female. They should know this, since they played through the entire English demo. Since we only have its gender in Germany, and region/gender differences in the Mario series is not uncommon (see Birdo, Vivian, Petey Piranha), I changed it.

I asked them how they knew it was a "she" and got this reply: "I don't." They were just assuming in the video. Maybe you can still find the comment (If you find mine (fawfulthegreat64) that's what Gamexplain replied to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8vXzplw-0 -- 19:24, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

Oh, so it was just an assumption. And since all signs point to Antasma being a dude...I guess we should keep it.

It's a bit hard to work out what gender Antasma is from it's appearance, it probably is just an it, but as it has recently been given the title of King it then must have a gender. Unless ONM are guessing again... - Cubeguy(talk)

On the Mario and Luigi Dream team site it states Antasma is a male and like Cookie said he is said to be a king :D Luigifan100 (talk) 20:02, 19 June 2013 (EDT)

Just got the game. Yup, he is a king. --Mlol (talk) 15:25, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

First ever King?
If Antasma is a king, doesn't that make him the first one in the M&L series? If so doesn't that count as trivia? Just asking. - Cubeguy(talk)


 * Personally, I'd wait for further information before having it as a trivia point.


 * 09:10, 6 June 2013 (EDT)


 * I know that, im just asking in case, it is a king, so that way i don't add it and it gets deleted. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)

"King" Bowser Koopa, the "King" of the Koopas. I think Bowser was the first King in the M&L series.


 * Other than Bowser i mean. Like he's the first King that's an actual threat. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * I don't think it matters, extremely dangerous or a joke, still a king. -- 21:23, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

Bowser would be the extremely dangerous king, because he is not a joke, he is an actual threat. --

Needing an image of Antasma outside the dream world...
'ello all. I have tried repeatedly to get an image on here from a Japanese trailer of Dream Team, but I have yet to have any luck with uploading it here. Does anyone with more image-embedding skills mind going to that site and getting the picture of Bowser being airlifted by Antasma outside of the Dreamworld? I think that image is rather important because (A), it shows Antasma is not confined to the Dreamworld, B) it is storyline important (this is probably the point where Antasma starts controlling Bowser), and (C) shows that Antasma has deceptively strong muscles...yes, C is a joke, but the other 2 points are perfectly valid! If this helps, here is the video:. The scene where Bowser is airlifted and/or possessed by Antasma is at about 4:12. Thank you.


 * Hello there. In order to use an image in an article, you must upload it. But this can only be done by Autoconfirmed users. I uploaded the image you required at File:MLDT - Antasma Airlifting Bowser Screenshot.png. Sorry about the quality, it's the best the trailer offered.


 * 23:07, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

Thank you. Sorry about the slight terseness of the request...

Final Battle
Is there a video of the battle with Antasma?

Antasma is not the final boss, Dreamy Bowser is and this is Super Mario Wiki, not Youtube

History
Is that really all there is? Does the game just leave off at that? Or is there more to it that they just haven't added yet? (plz do as soon as possible) Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

Antasma X Health
Don't know if this needs listing but it's health iv estimated is somewhere between 10,000-15,000 HP. - Cubeguy(talk)


 * On a similar note, I'm rather curios how someone got a hold of Antasma's HP amount and other stats in the first place (unless, of course, it was estimated). --Zootalo (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2013 (EDT)


 * I estimating, i count up to 11,000 then lose track. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)

Are all of Antasma X's stats higher? I've fought him in the Battle Ring in both normal and hard mode, and I swear his speed is at least DOUBLE what it's listed as in the article (Mario had to have about 190 speed to attack first). Someone needs to test whether his speed, defence, attack and other stats are all higher in the Battle Ring too. Also, whether his non attack stats are higher in hard mode, since I suspect they probably are...

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 * It's usually the case with X bosses compared the their normal counterparts. I've also noticed that with the case of Partners in Time, the enemies' stats aren't exactly static and seem to actually go up as you reach higher levels... --Zootalo (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

Final Antasma Battle XP
7500 XP (9000 with Quick Level). Just throwing this out there. (I'm sure I only got 3100 from Antasma the first time... must have been a bug.) Samario (talk)

...Finally "killing" him?
Sorry, I'm not too sure about the choice of wording. Is "killing" really appropriate, especially in a Mario game? I would have said rather: "finally destroying him" or something close to it. Not to mention the idea- which is often debated- as to whether or not characters die...


 * Well kill is used in the sense of the death of a character, while destroyed is more towards an object such as the Grobot. You could replace it with died which would be better.

I completely agree, but the problem is that it isn't suited to the Mario universe, as I've never come across the word "kill" or "death" (and if so, not that often) when playing any Mario game. Anyway, I think it's fine the way it is now. I think "kill" should be restricted to first-person-shooter games, not really in this context.

I agree with Cubeguy, plus the game is rated E10+ not E2-.

They use the words "kill", "dead", and even "murder" in Paper Mario when we think Mayor Penguin is dead (even though he really isn't). Antasma is dead, however you want to say it, but you can say "destroy" instead if you want (and they do say "destroy" when talking about killing Count Bleck). Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 23:12, 27 November 2013 (EST)

As to the debate of whether characters die, the only characters who seem to die but then return are in the Koopa Troop, like Bowser, the Koopalings, Petey Piranha, King Boo, etc. And New Super Mario Bros. establishes they can revive each other as Bowser Jr. does to Bowser onscreen after Mario kills him (reduced to a skeleton in the lava). The only exception is Tatanga, who seems to explode along with his ship, but it could be he either used a device on his ship (which is most powerful) to teleport off, or escaped in an escape pod blocked by a flash of light from the explosion or otherwise invisible, although it's pretty clear they intended to kill him there (as players would be dissatisfied to see him escape) but decided to bring him back as Wario's minion to show that he was working for him as a distraction. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 23:23, 27 November 2013 (EST)


 * First off, Ghost Kaiba Tatanga returns in the second Super Mario Land as a boss (im not sure if you know that), Second almost all of the mario games are non-linear on a timeline besides this series, Super Mario Galaxy and any others you guys can work out. Third, deaths of characters is usually discussed about the next upcoming game and not a real important issue here. Theres no real difference between died and destroy, i just suggested that to try and get this discussion over with. Fourth, i'll remind you this is not a forum and this sort of discussion is needed to be done on a forum, not here. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)


 * First off, I've beaten Tatanga numerous times in Super Mario Land 2, his return in that game was what I was explicitly referring to when I said "decided to bring him back as Wario's minion". When I said "exception" I meant he was the only one who seems to die and then returns who is not in the Koopa Troop, sorry if I didn't speak clearly enough. Second, to address your fourth point, this was only in response to the first comment in response to the debate over whether characters die in the Mario games, which is why we can say on here that Antasma and other villains are "dead". Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 00:15, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Antasma backstory
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=38067179


 * ummmmmmmmmmmmmm why? what do you want us to do? this isn't official game artwork and antasma always has that smile. So, yeah, why are you showing us this exactly. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)

Sorry, meant better backstory.


 * Oh, well fan-made stuff is not included in the wiki articles, sorry. Unless it came from the game itself or the developers it won't be included. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)

Cackletta mispelling
FYI, Cackletta has been misspelled "Cakletta" in the section referring to Antasma's abilities. We wouldn't want to imitate the same mistake that Fawful made in Superstar Saga, now, would we? Cheers.

Gone Already?
This is weird just like the older games in the series the new Antagonists introduced are already dead now.


 * Technically not true since Fawful lasted the first three games and some shroobs survived the second one, also i must add this is not a chat forum. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)


 * It is rare for Mario games to have any recurring main villains besides Bowser. Keeping Tatanga and Fawful around for more than one game, as well as making Wario a protagonist in his own games, were three of those rarities. (ahem) The RPG's especially kill off their major antagonists: Smithy, Shadow Queen, Dimentio, Cackletta, both Princess Shroobs, Dark Bowser, Antasma (as I expected), and, after appearing in three games but not acting as main villain until the third, Fawful. Bleck is either dead or in another dimension, redeemed either way, and Grodus is just a head but also redeemed. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 23:16, 27 November 2013 (EST)

Reason for removal of final antasma battle trivia
i would just like to point out this is in no way trivia or a game developers error. Luigi must be asleep to become dreamy Luigi thus aiding mario, the only way Luigi is able to connect to Antasmas dream portal is by sleeping next to said portal, which makes the area there in a dream point allowing Luigi connection and an ease of access for falling asleep. - Cubeguy(talk)

Romanization
Antasma's Japanese name アックームIs romanized as Akkūmu and not Akkumu like it currently says. ク=u but クー=ū.

French NOA name
The French NOA name is Phobieux. It can be seen on the website.

Possesing Brouque Monsuir?? MMMM....no
I gave this quite some thought and belive that this statement is false. First Brouque Monsuir apologizes for his behaviour during his "act" to the bros. Secondly, Antasma is unable to actually control anyone since he is imprisoned and if even so Brouqe is awake during the intro making this an impossible task for Antasma. So to some up no he is not possesing Brouqe. - Cubeguy(talk) BOO!! ^w^