MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Delete List of Adventure Mode enemies (Discuss) Deadline: February 20, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Delete Holerö. (Discuss) Deadline: February 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Fly with Fly (move). (Discuss) Deadline: February 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Delete Dimension. (Discuss) Deadline: February 24, 2014 GMT, 23:59 GMT
 * Delete All worlds. (Discuss) Deadline: February 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Template:RPG Attacks with the relevant templates. (Discuss) Deadline: February 25, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

XX supports= Remove XX opposes freely
While I did my first Feature Nomination, I discovered that to remove opposes we need three users' votes and one from an admin. I think that this is an injustice. If an FA (or even a Proposal) have, for example, 10 supports, and only one oppose, then the rule should be different. Using the same sample: By each 10 supports, one ( or more,maybe) should be ignoted/ removed. I mind that, at least, by each 7 supports, we can remove one( the first) oppose freely.

Proposer: Deadline: February 15, 2014 23:59 GMT

Oppose

 * 1) Especially when it comes to articles featuring prominent characters, there are always quite a few users who flood a nomination with support votes simply due to the fact that they like the character while ignoring any flaws that the article actually has. If this proposal were to pass, this could, in turn, lead to featured articles being more of a popularity vote than anything else, which is completely against the spirit of featured articles. Though there certainly isn't a guarantee that this will occur, I do not want to take the chance of it happening.
 * 2) Only Featured Articles' votes can be removed, not the proposal. Proposals' votes can't be removed. Per Time Turner.
 * 3) Per Pinkie Pie
 * 4) While the current system of requiring a patroller or higher to remove an oppose vote is flawed (often, they simply don't vote), this proposed rules will create much more problems than it solves. We do not feature on the quantity of votes, but rather, no oppose votes. If there is a single oppose vote that is isn't disputed, then it should remain.
 * 5) Per TT and Mario.
 * 6) My case is in the comments section of this proposal.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.

Comments
Shouldn't this be appeal? 20:14, 7 February 2014 (EST)

Ashley and Red, you should look how this proposal failed: http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_37#Allow_Removal_of_Support.2FOppose_in_Proposals

The Featured Articles Section "How to Nominate" states:


 * If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so and how it can be improved [emphasis mine]. Please cite which rule your objection falls under. Failure to do so will result in your objection being considered invalid. Users may vote for the removal of an oppose vote if they feel it is invalid or not specific enough, but have to give reasons for their choice. Three users, including an administrator, are required for the removal of an oppose vote.

Objection cannot be 'valid' without reason and and a method of improvement. If nominators, supporters, administration, et cetera are unable to ameliorate whatever obstacle or flaw to satisfy the objector's demands then:


 * A) the article should not have been nominated in the first place because it does not meet the previously written standards, or
 * B) the objector's arguments are fallacious and the three user + one administrative vote will quickly dispatch of the objection.

In the case of scenario B, the voters + admin will be more than delighted to remove the objection. For these reasons, I oppose.
 * Good oppose :)

Removals
None at the moment.

Merge articles such as Orbs and Hexes into lists with the same information
Most notably, I've seen large amounts of very small pages about things such as orbs and hexes. I think it would be more useful to merge these pages together into one large, easy to read list, as opposed to having tons of smaller pages. I believe that this will create consistency and simplicity for those who wish to view an entire page of all the orbs/hexes, and their effects, as well as compare them depending on the game. The orb list would be found on the orb page, and the hex list would be found under the hex page, etc. I think it'll be less daunting and time consuming as well.

I propose the following format, though I'm open to adjustments. Please keep in mind that this is only the prototype format, and if someone would like to suggest changes, I'd love to hear them:

Making separate lists for the separate Mario Party orbs/hexes under one page is also plausible. (Different pages for orbs and hexes, in case that wasn't clear.)

Now, while I've only mentioned these two things, if there's something you'd like to see merged as well, please add it in the comments section.

Proposer: Deadline: February 17, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) That sounds like a good idea

Oppose

 * 1) Doing this would be far from consistent, will be trimming far too much information, especially when considering that a lot of the orbs require extra explanations for their uses, and really, most of the orbs/hexes don't even have small articles, unless you wanna compare them to Bowser or something. Also, these are items. They have unique descriptions, and unique appearances, and unique uses, and everything that's needed for them to be considered items. What, exactly would be consistent about merging all of the orbs and not, say, all of the RPG items? Bottom line is, nothing good will come of this.
 * 2) Per Time Turner.
 * 3) Dr. Whooves got it. Per all.
 * 4) - Per Time Turner: this would be inconsistent and/or lead to more merges, but the philosophy these days is that more little pages are better than a few big lists (such as for search traffic and whatnot). Plus, lists with too much info aren't necessarily easy to use, and can be particularly troublesome for narrow screens.
 * 5) The orbs and hexes are from completeley different games.
 * 6) I prefer if we have a little bit of both: for example, the GCN Mario Party articles list the orbs and whatnot into a list and has a short blurb of them. If you want full information on them, well, that's what the articles are for. These orbs also can work differently in each game: ie the Goomba Capsule in Mario Party 5 switches coins while the Goomba Orb in Mario Party 6 makes the victim give coins to the person who set the orb down. It's more convenient this way, and I think it works better.
 * 7) Per TT lord of time.
 * 8) Per Time Turner.
 * 9) Per all.

Comments
@Time Turner - That's not necessarily true. It really depends on the layout of the page. Not to mention, we don't need as much information as we have. I've been told that conciseness is key on this wiki. If I may ask, which articles are you referring to? Most that I see are very short. It's a mess as it is, and more consistent than the method we have now.
 * Paper Mario items, for starters. It's inconsistent. We don't merge power shots from Mario Power Tennis nor Captain Abilities from Mario Strikers Charged either.
 * Then don't merge those ones. This isn't about paper Mario items. this is about tons of tiny articles that will suffice under one page.
 * That's exactly what's wrong with your proposal: you're proposing something that will break consistency in this wiki. Another great example is Mario Kart Arcade GP items. Merge those too? No.
 * But see, the problem with that, Baby Luigi, is that it's just going to get re-proposed later to delete it. I've seen this before, where people create lists in addition to the regular pages, and they just get deleted awhile later, then re-created. It's a vicious cycle. Whereas if we just have the one list page for orbs, they'll all be together and it'll be easier to go through them.
 * I have been here for nearly five years, and I can say that I honestly don't remember anything like that happening, especially in relation to orbs. Could you provide an example of this, preferably with a link?
 * It's not the orbs. It's the lists that are the problem. People don't like having lists and individual pages. But, lists are easier to go through compared to 50 little pages with not much variation besides effect.
 * That doesn't address my question.
 * Perhaps it would help if you named some of these 'people' in question.
 * Here are some examples of what I'm talking about: http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_13#Merge_or_Delete_Demo_Articles http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_18#Categories:_List_of_Implied_... http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_4#Article_about_.22Implied.22_subject_.282nd_nomination..29 http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_2#Removal:_Glitch_Articles http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_2#Merging_Wario_Treasures
 * I just think that it'll cycle in and out of proposals for lists, not technically this in general, and that there will always be proposals about merging items into lists, then separating them, then merging again, then deleting lists, etc.
 * The most recent proposal that you linked to was from 2009, and even then, it really doesn't have anything to do with what you're talking about. It wanted to delete a set of categories because they literally served no purpose. The articles mentioned in the proposal talking about demo articles wanted to delete them because they were only tangentially related to the Mario series. I'll give you the other ones, sure, but those are from 2007, which really doesn't illustrate your point that this kind of thing is a constant cycle.
 * I'm worried that it's going to come to that. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think that people will constantly do this.
 * ...Even though you've demonstrated that people haven't done this since 2007, 2009 if I'm been generous?
 * It's true I haven't seen much of it. But that doesn't mean it won't happen.
 * That's a fallacious argument. If I say that the wiki will be suddenly shut down in the next five minutes, I can't back it up with "Well, it could happen." That's not even close to actual proof.
 * I suppose so. Still, I like my list idea, I think it'll be useful and leave less stubs behind, even if they aren't officially stubs.
 * Stubs are not short articles. Some stubs are short articles, but not all short articles are stubs. Stubs, by wiki definition, are articles that are lacking information, and that's the only definition that should be used here. If they aren't "officially" stubs, they are not stubs.
 * Hmm, I've created some of the orb lists in the Mario Party articles, like, since 2010 and it still stands to this day. So what's this deletion you speak of?
 * Delete the orb pages, and merge all of the information under 'Orbs', making a sort of table for them.
 * That's where I disagree. Orbs are official, named items and get an article in the wiki. I oppose deleting them at all, and they also vary game from game.
 * And I respect that, but they're so small that it's just more convenient for them to be together.
 * @Coooool, I was hoping you'd understand that was a very general statement, as opposed to a standard to enforce on articles (not that I could plausibly do such here anyway).
 * Nope. Apparently not. But why shouldn't we be concise under such matters? We don't need all these pages when one will do.
 * I think Baby Luigi explained well enough to start.
 * I don't agree. It'll just get deleted later.
 * The orb/capsule/item lists in the Mario Party articles have been there since nearly 2010 and are not going anywhere any time soon.
 * http://www.mariowiki.com/Category:Orbs_and_Capsules I'm just saying we take this and make it into a page, and delete the useless information.
 * Why delete it? What's the point? The category does its job, the orb/capsules/item lists in the respective Mario Party articles do their job. Making a list like that would be redundant.
 * It's only redundant if we keep them both.

@Randombob-omb4761- Apologies if I wasn't clear. but I said that they would have their own separate lists. I'm not proposing we merge these together. it's 'such as' Orbs and hexes. Both would have their own pages.

It's a bit too late to salvage this discussion, but please remember to out new comments at the bottom, rather than sticking them in the middle using indents. Without time stamps, it really muddles up the history of the discussion. Just use Name: or "@Name:" or whatever to link to a specific comment if there were other things said in the interim. This also potentially avoids having to indent by over a dozen colons, which is less than ideal. -

Change the order of the NIWA Main template
Change Template:NIWA Main (which is the last block on the main page) so that it lists the wikis in alphabetical order. This would make it easier to find a certain wiki, it would be more organized, and it would not be "favoring" one wiki.

Old template:

Proposed template:

Proposer: Deadline: February 20 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) Per Proposal. It would be a lot easier to navigate.
 * 2) I pretty much would say the same thing as above.
 * 3) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) I properly oppose. Why? Because the admin made it that way. We don't want a ABC order on the template anyway, so this is a stronger oppose.

Comments
Maybe you should ask Steve about this since he mainly manages the template?
 * I just want to see what everyone else thinks first, but thanks! 16:30, 13 February 2014 (EST)

@Pinkie How do you know we don't want an ABC, most templates follow an ABC order on the wiki.

At all cases, it is not that major.. just talk to the Minecraft man (a.k.a Porplemontage) and withdraw dis. :) -- 08:32, 14 February 2014 (EST)