MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Make an Exception to Embed YouTube Videos on Glitch Pages? (Discuss) Deadline: May 11, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Rainbow Star with Super Star (Discuss) Deadline: May 14, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Move Gate Guy and others to all-caps names (Discuss) Deadline: May 16, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Green Star (Super Mario 3D World) with Green Star. (Discuss) Deadline: May 16, 2016, 23:59 GMT

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Vote For More Than One Option On Proposals With More Than Two Choices
Currently, when there are more than two choices for proposals, we can only vote once. There are fairness concerns with this method. Watch the following video:


 * Example (Duration: 1:35)

If this proposal passes, this should allow for fairer voting if there are more than two options to vote for.

Proposer: Deadline: May 10, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) I'm curious what other people think.
 * 2) As long as there are no major issues with this, Okay. It's not that common to have such an issue sure, but why not? Sometimes you just don't mind if 1 or 2 wins. You just want 3 to fail. I can't even see a rule against that currently. So maybe technically we could have done that before?
 * 3) - Per all.
 * 4) Strong support. Great Video!
 * 5) That's OK by me and I strongly support!
 * 6) I am fully fine so I support.
 * 7) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) I'm in the minority here, but in MarioWiki Proposals, users need to have a strong reason to vote for something, and even if there's three options it's unlikely that someone would have strong reasons for two options at once. Letting people vote more than once is confusing too.
 * 2) . In principle I would like to support, but I don't think this has been thought through enough as it stands - in particular, given that Rule #9 requires an absolute majority of votes cast (i.e., 10-6-6 after extensions would fail to give a result as the leading option would only have 10/22 votes), there's a high likelihood that this would cause simply more no-result votes by causing a levelling effect (i.e., all options would get more votes, so any one option getting an absolute majority becomes less likely).

Comments
I feel like this works better as a case-by-case basis thing rather than a hard, straight rule. 16:52, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm not trying to impose a rule about this but rather have it be a possibility. You can always vote for one option only as you always had if there are more than two options to choose from. The only difference is that you can have the freedom to select additional choice(s) if you want to. The outcome is still whatever option has the most votes (margin of three if more than 10 votes). -- 17:16, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * It wouldn't quite work case-by-case because who would decide if each proposal falls into this scheme or not? -- 17:30, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * It doesn't need to be, I mean, who other than a troll would vote for an option and the opposite.-- 17:47, 3 May 2016 (EDT)

@Megadardery (in particular) - One case to consider. 3 is status quo. The vote ends (after extensions): By the rules, that means 3 de facto prevails. Now, if, say, three people have voted both 1 & 2, do they get to indicate which option they prefer? If they do, do their votes for (e.g.) 2 get knocked out and 1 can go through? - Reboot (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Option 1: 11
 * Option 2: 10
 * Option 3: 3
 * There is no preferential voting with my proposed idea how to make our proposals more fair. Preferential voting is more complicated and not a really good fit for something as simple as our proposal system. That is something I recommend for our country's governments, but not here. We just tally votes for each option and whichever option has the most votes wins. Simple as always. The difference is that you can put your name in more than one spot if you do so choose if this proposal passes. -- 23:20, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Indeed we shouldn't over-complicate this. If there's not an option winning by at least three votes when there are more than ten votes, then we keep adding extensions until one option wins or it ends in a No Quorum, as is the case with any proposal now. This proposal doesn't change the rules for defining outcomes but rather how users can vote. -- 23:25, 3 May 2016 (EDT)
 * The thing is I think this will make it harder to get a result. Proposals need an absolute majority of all votes cast to pass (Rule #9 above; so a vote of 10-6-6 is no quorum, not successful - even though it has a four-vote margin, it's still only 10/22). If people are voting twice, this gets harder to achieve unless:
 * Rule #9 is changed to require that more than half of all voters rather than votes support an option.
 * Some sort of preferential system; or
 * A knock-out system where, if an option (or options) are more than three votes behind the leading option when the vote is extended, they are ignored when deciding if subsequent extensions are needed and voters for those options (or all the surviving options) are encouraged to revote.
 * - Reboot (talk) 18:31, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Since you put it that way, I don't think my proposal is flawed but rather how we handle multiple choice votes. -- 16:01, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

Define strong reason. Who is to judge if a reason is strong or not? Also not many people provide much of an explanation with why they are voting a certain way, especially if they say something like per all. Sounds like a stupid rule to have at this point or it needs to be revised. I think that a better term for that would be sensible reason. Not entirely sure how this is more confusing considering that a vote essentially means you are OK with that outcome if it wins. If you place your vote for more than one option, that just means you are OK with any of those outcomes if one of those win. Please elaborate that point. -- 15:12, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Strong reason is outlined above, Rule #4: "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.". In short, a "strong reason" is one that outlines why you're voting the way you are and doesn't just boil down to "I like it and that's the only actual argument I have". Playing the semantics game here doesn't really change anything, you can replace the words "strong, sensible reason" with all the analogous word you'd like, most people understand the difference between a strong argument and a weak one. To your second question of who is to judge a reasons strength, Rule 5 covers that.
 * I say sensible should be the minimum to strive for. Not everyone has a paragraph to write why they are voting the way they are. I can understand oppose votes doing so, but support votes? Are you just going to repeat what the proposal said? Per all or a short statement is sensible, enough writing in that case. -- 02:30, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
 * Now, all that said, I neither fully agree nor disagree with the proposed idea. It's pretty rare that we have a proposal with more than two voting options, particularly one that lasts more than a few days before being pulled. Given that, this seems like a pointless rule patch. On the other hand, it's such a rare occurrence, have at for all the hell it actually means. -- Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 01:46, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
 * It may seem like a very small change, but it can have some very positive consequences in some proposals. The immediate benefit is more freedom to choose what you would be comfortable with as a change to MarioWiki. You could argue that this could encourage a multiple-choice proposal where proposers could think deeper about their proposals before submission. It could create option(s) that have nicer middlegrounds if the proposer's first choice is seen as too extreme by others but the proposer wants some sort of change to occur anyways. -- 02:30, 5 May 2016 (EDT)

@Reboot: I truly don't see how voting for more than one option would cause that to happen more often. It could go either way and that is completely independent of how many options people can vote for. -- 16:15, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

I agree with Ghost Jam. Rarely, if ever, do proposals have several choices that can combine with each other; i.e. choices are usually mutually exclusive. I don't think this proposal is going to have much an effect if it passes. 20:31, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

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