MarioWiki:Proposals

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

Add template for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's moves
I've noticed that previous Super Smash Bros. games have templates leading to the characters' special moves, as well as universal techniques like air dodging, footstool jumping, and tether recoveries. It's been more than 7 months since Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - the most recent Smash game - was released, yet we still don't have a templates dedicated to its characters' moves. I'd like to change that.

Proposer: Deadline: July 29, 2019, 23:59 (GMT)

Support

 * 1) Per proposal. Just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

Oppose

 * 1) - Per Doomhiker's comment.
 * 2) - This proposal is completely unnecessary. The other games have a template like this, so why should it be any different here?

Comments
This really does not need a proposal. All other Smash games have a template like this, and it should automatically should be no different for Ultimate. 19:36, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Seconded - This is s the sort of thing you bring up on a talk page before forcing yet another proposal. -- 19:51, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah, the template can just be made. 19:52, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Agreed, this proposal is completely unnecessary. 20:23, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

btw opposes mean you don't want the template to exist in the first place, so that's kind of conflicting with your comments. I can probably just cancel this outright, but I want to see what MarioManiac says first. 21:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)


 * More of an opposition to the proposal itself than the proposed move - which, as you mentioned, can be made or at least discussed without a proposal. -- 21:17, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * You would not even need to discuss it, as it is like giving new games nav templates once they have enough subjects: it is something that is traditionally done so it should be automatically done without discussion or proposal. 21:36, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Which is me point, yes. -- 21:52, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes, just cancel it. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 8:45, July 23, 2019 (EST)

Removals
None at the moment.

Add when the and  should be removed, while slightly rewording the former template
Just recently there has been discussion regarding when the template should be removed. While Alex95 said that the template should be removed after a month, the template, and its own page, says nothing about a date where it should be removed. In fact, it says "When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. Remove this only when the changes have been applied.". So basically, it says that as long as the proper changes/info have been added about the new subject, the template can be removed, thus you can technically remove the template day one per the template, and as the template says that the template should only be removed once the changes are made technically the template can be on a page for years, if the changes are not made. So it is very easy to see how users can be confused on how long the template should last, and the current wording for removal should be reworded, as the template should be an alert for new subjects that are longer than one day old, but not years old. Plus it cannot hurt to specify when the template should be removed, to clear confusion. So, I propose to add a sentence and to reword the New subject template to specify when to remove the template, and the specification will also apply to the Just released template.

This is how the templates should look like after this proposal passes, if it does:  This is about a  that has just been released. Major changes should be made by a contributor who has a reliable source. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released.  This subject in an upcoming or recently released '''. When the is released, or more information about this subject is found, this  may need major rewriting. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released. The templates' pages will also include the date of removal.

Proposer: Deadline: July 24, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Agreed, although, that could be done on the template's talk page.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) I always confused these. Per proposal.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Strong support as another obstacle in the policy's elaborate reasoning to clear up.
 * 7) Don't see why not. Per all.
 * 8) Makes perfect sense to me. Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) - Per my current understanding of this template.

Comments
@FanOfYoshi I done it on this page due to it affecting two templates. I would much rather one proposal then two dealing with near-identical matters. 13:22, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Ok. -- 13:26, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * I always remove these templates two weeks after a game is first released, but OK. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 0:08, July 18, 2019 (EST)

Create articles on individual Dr. Mario levels
I'm specifically referring to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels in Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure and the story mode stages in Dr. Mario World.

It still bothers me that somehow the Dr. Mario series levels aren't explicitly covered by policy, so I propose that we be able to create them. I know that it may be a bit of a stretch to propose this, but I think we have a good precedent to go by: the levels from the Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, as even though they aren't really comprehensive levels per se (and thus would technically be in the same boat as the aforementioned Dr. Mario series levels), they still have articles nonetheless.

Should this proposal fail for either game, tables on the list of stages in each game will be created instead.

Proposer: Deadline: July 28, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Create articles for both games' levels

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) My second option.
 * 4) Per Toadette the Achiever. I was the one who originally added the links to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels. While the previous Dr. Mario games have randomized levels, these don't.
 * 5) Per Obsessive Mario Fan.

Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure

 * 1) Honestly, I agree with JC and with porplemontage in that talk page in that the levels in Dr. Mario World are more comparable to the Power Moons if anything else. Unlike the levels in Bowser Jr.'s journey, the puzzles are even more extremely straightforward and basic; the articles would contain little more than naming the amount of viruses present and features, and I really feel like that's something that could be more easily, conveniently and better summed up in a simple image + gallery format in their respective World articles summarizing the info up such as notable introductions to new game features than tearing all the tiny levels into individual pieces that would make it such a chore to navigate. It also doesn't help that the Dr. Mario World stages are generically named such as "Stage 60,201" unlike the Journey and Bowser's Minions level articles.
 * 2) Per Baby Luigi. I took a look at the stages in Dr. Mario World and there'd barely be enough to sustain half an article on its own.
 * 3) Per all. The Dr. Mario World levels should just be handled in a list because there isn't much to say about them.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) I'm okay with this option too.
 * 6) As long as we still describe the level via tables on the world page, I agree with this option. Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Second option, better than nothing.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per Baby Luigi.
 * 11) Per all, I was going to suggest the same thing.

Comments
For the level layouts, we can show the virus layouts like this:







Is it a good idea? 15:37, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think we're far better off just taking a screenshot of the level. 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that sounds easier. 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * (edit conflicted) That sounds a bit too strategy-guide like. For the viruses in the Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels, I think it's better to just label how many of each color are in the level. As for Dr. Mario World, the colors of each virus can be random for each level, so it might just be better to make a note of how many viruses are in the level, as well as how many other gimmicks there are (Brick Blocks, Koopa shells, bombs, etc.). 15:47, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think you may have a stronger case for Miracle Cure since those levels appear to be named and not under specific worlds but I'm still against Dr. Mario World levels being separate in favor of summarizing stages in a gallery format in their respective world articles. 15:50, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels should definitely be made...Although levels from Dr. Mario World could be handled in a list, depending on how much there is to say about them. 16:09, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

What about full Worlds in Dr. Mario World? I think those should recieve articles, but probably not the individual levels. 17:08, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Worlds are outside the scope of this proposal, and should be created according to myself and Mario jc. 17:23, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * OK. I was just wondering, in case that wasn't went over earlier. 17:27, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries
Hi, so this is going to be a short, yet complicated proposal. There are two gallery pages, Gallery:Toys and Gallery:Figurines (linked in header), and it's a massive lump of merchandise images, which makes it difficult to actually add information regarding the merchandise. Pikipedia actually manages their merchandise page better in my opinion, as they organize by merchandise type in the mainspace (rather than gallery mainspace), and add some info on the individual merchandise. Part of me thinks that the lack of information on official merchandise (aside from obscurity) is because much of it is listed on a gallery page, rather than designated mainspace article. There is more information to the merchandise than just a picture of galleries.

Even if this proposal does pass, we should consider sorting the merchandise into sections or articles, so like Super Mario series merchandise, Yoshi's Island merchandise, Donkey Kong series merchandise, Mario Kart merchandise. There's simply too much merchandise. Mario is one of the biggest gaming franchise of them all and has numerous spinoffs and franchises. The longevity of the franchise makes me think it's the biggest gaming franchise of them all... I'm definitely going to need the community's help on this big proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: July 30, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - I started this proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) - Per proposal.
 * 4) Strong support. I would love to have more expanded articles on merchandise.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) - Sounds good to me. More information on these toys would be great in a list format, a gallery doesn't work for that all that well.
 * 7) Agreed. Per all.
 * 8) Lists on merchandise on individual series (not games, most of those lists would be too short) would be great, and a good amount of merchandise does have some kind of pertaining info.
 * 9) Agreed, I think more should be said about the merchandise here. If there is not much to say about one, we would just put a short description.
 * 10) Absolutely. I was just thinking about doing this not too long ago, as the current merchandise galleries are just a mess of everything being tossed in wherever. I also think there's potential to split certain merchandise lines/companies, such as the Hot Wheels toys that just came out, a single page for the many Happy Meal promotions, or the Build-A-Bear toys which are actually mostly missing from that page; we already do this for San-ei and K'NEX, actually. There's so much that can be said about stuff like this that doesn't really lend itself to a paragraph somewhere in a massive gallery.
 * 11) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) Honestly, to begin with, I don't see the need to do this at all. Most of the merch can be understood as an image the way it is now. Further information isn't really necessary. There's no surprise as to what a Mario figure is, and at most a caption of 'Made by [company] in [year]' would suffice. Lets say that besides it's sheer uselessness that it gets passed. The logistics of creating such lists (as you seem to be aiming for) would be extremely difficult to create effectively. Would some games be standalone and others be by series? Furthermore, I think there would be a lot of sketchy, inaccurate, and entirely nonexistant sourcing would take place, leading to a variety of errors and inconsistencies. Absolutely no reason to pass, in my eyes.

Comments
So what are some possible ideas for how we will reorganize the articles into mainspace? What will the titles be? I definitely think doing it by franchise and spinoff series is the way to go. general merchandise (such as generic mario emblem) can be sorted under "general merchandise" or something like that. I want to hear your opinions. Results May Vary (talk) 22:10, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sort by spinoff series, like, and "List of general merchandise" works. 22:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes, that would be a great idea for names. Results May Vary (talk) 22:22, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Just remembered that Forest of Illusion has posted lots of obscure Mario merchandise from Japan, so some of the pages could possibly be sorted by region. Results May Vary (talk) 23:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.