Talk:Mushroom World

The SMB3 map pic
It should be noted somewhere that the current image isn't actually of the Mushroom World. Just to avoid confusion. - Yoshi Master

Earth: a different planet?
I'm sorry if I've missed something, but I'm pretty sure there is no solid evidence for that concept. I could actually argue that they are part of the same planet: first off, Mario lived in Brookland for a while, right? Then, between Donkey Kong and Super Mario Bros. was the arcade Mario Bros. Considering that warp pipes have never made people travel to different planets, I don't know how or when the Mario bros. would have gotten to the Mushroom Kingdom if it were on another planet.

Perhaps it is an alternet dimention, like Smithy's factory?

Now, I don't know much about Mario's Time Machine, but that could provide the evidence we need one way or another.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Truth is, I'm not sure... so that's why I posted this :) -Stumpers


 * In Mario's Time Machine, Mario travels from the Mushroom World to Earth via the said time machine. Although the Mushroom World could be in a different dimension, it would still technically be it's own planet. Additionally, in the Super Mario Super Show cartoons, Earth and the Mushroom World are two distinct worlds, each one connected by warp pipes. In the cartoons, Mario lived in Brooklyn and was transported to the Mushroom World via a warp pipe. Throughout the series, Mario and Luigi repeatedly attempted to return to Earth. So, ultimately, the Mushroom World may be an alternate reality of Earth. The Mushroom World would be a planet in this different reality, and somehow be connected to Earth, seeing as Mario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom World, raised in Brooklyn, then returned to the Mushroom World later in their lives. -- Son of Suns


 * I'll explain how this is relatent in a second: Did the time machine in Mario's Time Machine take people anywhere as well as any time? If so, that would support the theory of the different planets, in that it ditracts from the single planet theory.  Finally: I think we may get more info by finding out more about Cranky Kong and Pauline, who also were in Brooklyn but now live in MK. -Stumpers


 * The time machine could travel to different places, as it went directly to the USA, Egypt, and even the Moon (the Earth's Moon). Also, as indicated in Donkey Kong Land, the events of the orginal Donkey Kong took place in Big Ape City, an urban area of Donkey Kong Island, which is a part of the greater Mushroom World. -- Son of Suns


 * Wait... so if they took place in Big Ape City, then why is there an article here? Shouldn't it at least note that Nintendo re-wrote the story of Donkey Kong? -Stumpers


 * What do you mean exactly? -- Son of Suns


 * Sorry. I'm talking about the Brooklyn article.  My bad.  As we know from Cranky Kong, Donkey Kong (from Mario Party or DK: Jungle Beat) is not the same as the on in Arcade Donkey Kong.  This seems like another thing like that, where the story was rewritten part way through the series.  So, I'm wondering if we should note that instead of explaining that Brooklyn WAS part of the series until that point. -Stumpers


 * The Brooklyn article should be changed to reflect any canon information. After the canon info is in the main body of the article, a Retcon section can be added to inform people on the change of canon. -- Son of Suns

They HAVE to be different planets, as Earth has one moon, but Mushroom World has two moons.


 * Well, no one's brought up the fact that there isn't magic in this world (not like in MK, I mean) and there is no way a human could jump like Mario, or the fact that the Mushroom Kingdom doesn't exist on our planet in reality. I'm gonna argue and say the moon thing is along those lines.  Besides, the moon you guys are talking about was the size of a meteor, if that.  So perhaps the Mushroom ppl consider it a moon while we don't?  Some thing to think about when using it for the article, y'know? -Stumpers

Is anybody forgetting something... you know, the fact that there are Living Mushrooms, walking turtles with (Cool) shoes, AND Blocks, clouds, hills, etc. etc. with eyes! Maxlover2 no offense to anyone.

Different Name
This article should only contain information about the Mushroom World that appears in Super Mario Bros. 3, and we should think of a conecture name for the world Mario lives in.

The Mushroom World is not the official name for the world they live in correct? Even thought most of the games take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, if the games took place in the Beanbean Kingdom woukd this article be called The Bean World? Am I correct that we should change it? Paper Jorge

Should I add SMB3 info? Paper Jorge

Yes the term is conjectural until someone can find an official source.

Isn't Mushroom World only the place in Super Mario Bros. 3 not the actual planet Mario lives in? Paper Jorge

The Mushroom World is the term used in Super Mario Bros. 3 to describe the greater area beyond the Mushroom Kingdom. In the game, the Mushroom World encompassed every kingdom, including Dark Land. By extension to other games, any land that is part of this greater area beyond the Mushroom Kingdom would be part of the Mushroom World, including the Beanbean Kingdom. For the time being, this is the most canonical term we have for describing Mario's planet. Hopefully Super Mario Galaxy will shine some light on this question. -- Son of Suns

How about leading the article with: "Mushroom World is a term used for the planet Mario and his friends live on. This planet has also been called Earth and no official name has been stated, however Mushroom World is commonly considered the most accurate term." or something like that. - Myles 00:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure if where on the Wiki this was posted, but it was noted that in Paper Mario a Boo states that there are hidden panels all around "Mushroom World." So, it is the official name, but by no means is it common for Nintendo to draw attention to the name. 02:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Diamond City
Although this stuff is about to be moved to another wiki, (Which I am against) shouldn't Diamond City from the Wario-Ware series be here? - Hyper Mushroom

Yes of course. Also this won't be moved to the Wario Wiki. Paper Jorge

Thanks. And I meant Diamond City being moved, not the Mushroom World.

I know some proof that Diamond City is on earth by my Favorite guy, 9-Volt. think about this. 9-Volt thinks Mario is a Video game character just like we do. if it was in the Mushroom World, he would know he is real. respond if you understood that, than tell me what I just said. ;) no, just joking. but really, was that confusing? for once, I think it isn't. Maxlover2


 * Note that the Mushroom World, Earth, and Diamond City articles all say that Diamond City may be on Earth. Also, video game characters play video games of people in their world all the time. DK had to play the original Donkey Kong in DK 64, and Paper Mario was one of the favorite games of the Toad kid in Petalburg (even though the kid met the real Mario as well). -- Son of Suns

oh. 9-Volt x8 :) he lost a life :) Max2 that was... weird.

YA RLY. SPEK FR YRSLF.

SMRPG Mushroom World?
Is the world of Super Mario RPG comparable to the Mushroom World. Or is it some different entity? - 09:08, 13 June 2007 (EDT)


 * It seems sorta like a world, so we might be able to call it our Mushroom World, but then again, I once heard some old promotional material refer to it all as the "Mushroom Kingdom", even though it seems to be more like different countries... That promotional material came out before the game did, and there are no in-game references to what kind of governmental unit the SMRPG lands are in, so I guess we (or at least I) just don't know.


 * The "Mushroom Kingdom" in SMRPG was only a small town. Almost everything, even Mario's Pad, was outside of it. - 09:25, 13 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I know that; I wasn't talking about anything in-game; 'twas promotional material (actually a Nintendo Power entry) I was thriving on. Considering that it was just a little town, though, I suppose we could pretty safely call the whole thing the Mushroom World.


 * AURGH! Never mind, I was confusing this with the Mushroom Planet. XP Please forgive me... Anyway, now that I'm realizing this, I don't really think the SMRPG world is too much like the Mushroom World, but possibly vaguely similar... Anyway, sorry.

Paper Mario
In Paper Mario, a Boo in Boo's Mansion, the one who appears after you get the boots, refers to the Mushroom World, as in saying things are hidden all over the Mushroom World. Think this should be noted? -- Sir Grodus

Sure. 16:36, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

So, um, does anyone else think that the Mushroom World the Boo references is the Mushroom Planet? -- Sir Grodus

Hold on a sec...he says "Mushroom World" - with the "M" and "W" capitalized. If this is true, I don't think he is referring to the Mushroom World mentioned in Super Mario Bros. 3, but the planet itself. Upon confirmation, I think we should merge Mushroom Planet and Mushroom World. Mushroom World seems to be the best name we have for Mario's world. -- Son of Suns

Oh, and get an exact quote - this could really clarify what we label Mario's world. -- Son of Suns

I can probably get the exact quote tonight, I'm pretty sure the Boo stays in place and says the same thing over and over for the duration of the game. -- Sir Grodus

Yeah, i guess your right, most PM charactures in the series say the same thing over and over again untill you do something Sry I never played PM but I've seen three seconds of the start of  the game!

I think if the quote refers to the proper noun "Mushroom World", she should merge the Mushroom Planet and Mushroom World articles, and begin using the term Mushroom World to describe Mario's world. Here are the reasons (assuming the quote is true):


 * The term Mushroom World will have been used in more than one game.
 * The term Mushroom World refers to many kingdoms and lands in Super Mario Bros. 3. It a huge area which many different environments.  It very much resembles a planet.
 * The Mushroom Kingdom is described as being the entryway to the Mushroom World in Super Mario Bros. 3. Paper Mario opens up into a much greater world.  Most regions simply loosely affilated with the Mushroom Kingdom, but some areas in the game are beyond the scope of the kingdom, such as Star Haven, which exists far in the sky.  Star Haven is a part of Mario's world, but not part of the Mushroom Kingdom.  Thus Paper Mario takes place in both the Mushroom Kingdom and the Mushroom World.  This would also support that the Mushroom Kngdom is part of the Mushroom World, as Paper Mario largely takes place in the kingdom (and is filled with hidden things).
 * The name "Mushroom Planet" is a conjectural term - it is based on a quote from the movie, not the video games.

I can't think of any other reason to use a different name for Mario's world. -- Son of Suns

So here's the quote - "There are hidden panels on the ground all over Mushroom World, so keep an eye out for them." - Notice the lack of a "the" between "over" and "Mushroom". -- Sir Grodus

Oh, so we should be saying "Mushroom World" instead of "the Mushroom World" (as we say "Mars", not "the Mars"). I think this evidence warrants a merge with the Mushroom Planet article. -- Son of Suns
 * Does that mean we can delete the conjecture header? 00:01, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Super Smash Bros. and the Nintendo universe
Should Smash Bros. really be mentioned in the part about the theory that Nintendo game-worlds exist in the same universe? The Smash Bros. series makes it pretty clear that the actual Nintendo characters themselves are NEVER the ones fighting: it's actually just a bunch of dolls (in the first game) or figurines (in Melee and Brawl) that were somehow brought to life. Heck, Brawl even has the "trophies fighting" part mentioned on its official website (the "In this world, trophies fight" update, for example--and the use of "in this world" seems to imply that Smash Bros. might not be part of the normal Mario/Nintendo universe at all.) Wario&#39;sFalconPAUNCH! 00:31, 11 September 2007 (EDT)


 * Good point. Changing.  That doesn't mean they couldn't be in the same world, but sometimes it's better to leave some things unsaid.  -- Son of Suns

DK Lives on (an) Earth
So yeah, theres a zoom-out of the planet the Kongs, Kremlings, etc. live on in DK: Jungle Climber, and the planet shown is quite clearly Earth, with places such as Australia and Asia being seen, should this be noted? -- Sir Grodus


 * For now, I think things are fine. I think Mushroom World could look like Earth from space, as shown in other games.  This is mentioned in the article (they may be alternate versions of each other).  But the article also says DK may not be on Mushroom World, but a different world.  I think we have our bases covered.  Does the game make references to Earth's history and insert itself into that continuity?  Does Donkey Kong save George Bush in the end?  If that were to happen, it would be more clear that DK lives on Earth.  Until then, we are fine saying maybe he's in Mushroom World, maybe he's in another world (possibly the Earth featured in Mario is Missing!, or a different Earth). -- Son of Suns

Ending of Super Mario Galaxy
In Super Mario Galaxy, after you beat the game, it zooms out showing the Mushroom World looks very much like Earth. Is this proof of somekind?
 * That the two are actually one? No.  They are similar in every game.  But: if you see distinct continents, that is something.  15:53, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Just Thinking...
Right now we have posted that DK could maybe possibly live on another planet separate from the Mushroom World. I know to assume they're the same would be conjecture to a certain extent, but do you have any proof to the contrary? I dunno, but to me it seems like it's just theorizing right now. Think about it: there's no evidence for any kind of convenient space travel, so is it really that likely for DK and his crew to come over for every Mario Party, Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Strikers, etc., etc., etc.? And would Mario Toy Company's advertisements reach DK on another planet, really? It just seems too unlikely to mention. The "two planets", if this is true, have no more differences than does Yoshi's Island, for example. Anyway, what I'm saying is, yes it's conjecture to say that they happen on the same planets, but it's unsupported theorizing to say they are not. 01:11, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Super Mario Galaxy image
I think the shot of the planet at the end (where Mario is saying, "Welcome, new galaxy!") would be a better image than the one we have now. Also, we may need an image gallery of all the depictions of the world throughout the games (like Mario Party 2 (whenever the genie is used or during the ending), Super Paper Mario (when you jump on Cyrrus), DK Jungle Climber (the aforementioned ending to the game), etc.). — NES Boy 07:13, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Both Super Paper Mario and DK Jungle Climber takes place in a different dimension. But yeah, that's a good idea. --Blitzwing 07:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Donkey Kong Jungle Beat has an image of the Mushroom World, too. 20:45, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii's Rainbow Road
If you look beneath Rainbow Road, you can see a planet that resembles the Mushroom World. In the distance, you can see a planet from our solar system, though, Saturn. So the Mushroom World has a planet in its solar system exactly like ours? I really think the planet that the Rainbow Road is above is Planet Earth.
 * That's not the first time planets from our solar system have appeared in a Mushroom World location. It also happened with Jupiter and Saturn (maybe more) in DDR: Mario Mix ("Up, Down, Left, Right").  While it should be mentioned where these planets appear, to say that a planet is the Mushroom World/Earth based on their presence is conjectural either way.  It's one of those situations where our job as a Wiki is to point out the fact, and back away without making any judgement/conjecture except when backed by a respectable 3rd party (or 1st, but there's none that I can think of that have commented on this).  If you find such a source, please cite it.  00:39, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I have tried to make out recognizable parts of Earth on the Mario Kart Wii planet. The only thing I recognized clearly was Australia. However, on this "Earth", it was a sea rather than a landmass. I figured that this planet is designed to resemble Earth closely, but not exactly be it. - 14:54, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I suppose that means the information can go on here, then? 15:51, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Mario Galaxy
The mushroom world is Definetly in The Grand Finale Galaxy. I have seen it in Super Mario Galaxy and it says so here. -


 * Noted. I'll update the article if it needs to be done.  11:14, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Inferred Lands
Would anyone mind me merging the inferred lands with the rest of the locations? Honestly, we're speculating much more to say that they're not part of Mushroom World just because they aren't associated with the Mushroom Kingdom. What about Sarasaland? Shouldn't we list that because it's not the MK? You could go on for hours. 11:08, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I feel we could probably merge them. I think the recent Wii soccer, baseball, and kart racing games have pretty much established a strong connection at least between the Donkey Kong series and the Mario series.  The original Donkey Kong Country instruction manual even mentions Mario by name.  Plus DK's treehouse is featured in Mario Party 7.  And isn't Diamond City featured in Mario Kart Arcade GP (with Gadd Science logos all over the place)?  And in Wario's House Wario keeps a number of objects from the Wario Land series (which has stronger connections to Mushroom World), doesn't he?  What d'yall think? --
 * I totally agree with both of you. - 23:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Map added
I added the map of the Mushroom World. Please, change if this is not a good thing. Koopalmier
 * Actually, there is an overworld map from SMB3, but the only image of it ([[Image:MushroomWorld.png]]) was deleted (after being taken off the article by some idiot). I've tried to find a replacement without success. Anyway, your map doesn't actually reflect how the world is structured in the game, sorry. - 16:03, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Mario's World
I was looking through old instruction manuals, and I stumbled upon this name for the world Mario lives in: "Mario's World". It's in the Super Mario RPG instruction manual, page 8. So I was wondering what people think of this name? Mushroom World makes some sense, but as some have noted, Mushroom World is somehow bound to the Mushroom Kingdom (the Mushroom Kingdom acts as a gateway to Mushroom World). Mario's World does not have this stipulation, it is simply the world Mario explores in the game (which I believe depicts a world that includes the Mushroom Kingdom but that is greater than the Mushroom Kingdom - i.e., an early attempt to represent a planet, where the Mushroom Kingdom is only one small element of a much greater world). So...any comments? What do people think? I believe the cartoons and other media do establish a distinction between this world and "Earth," but what should this world be called? --
 * I've got that manual, and to me, "Mario's World" is just an informal way of addressing all the places Mario's going to traverse, especially when you consider the fact that the whole booklet is to be read as Luigi's narration of what's going on. I've found that "___'s World" is really another way of saying "___'s life," - it's everything and everyone they encounter and encompasses all of what they do, both of which apply to Mario's case here. In the text, Luigi repeatedly uses the future tense when stating that Mario (and friends) will travel "this world", as opposed to saying it is where they are living, etc., indicating the "Mario's World" label merely applies to Super Mario RGP (the immediate future). Therefore, calling the planet "Mario's World" would be no real improvement to continuing on with "Mushroom World", nor would anything else we came up with besides "The World", which is too pretentious and potential confusing when you take Earth and all the other worlds into consideration. I think we should just leave it as the "Mushroom World", which is the most believable and widely-accepted name for the planet anyhow. - 18:08, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * While I will disagree with you that "Mario's World" refers to his life (I think Luigi is referring to the actual world, future tense is used as Mario has not been to all these places yet), the second part of your argument makes sense, especially after I just looked back at the manual and figured out that all of the sections use caps in the first letter of each world, so Mario's World is probably only Mario's world, which doesn't really help us. Mushroom World makes more sense, especially given the use of "Mushroom" in naming locations that occurs throughout the Mario franchise (Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Universe, etc.).  So yeah, ultimately Mushroom World is the best term we have. --
 * More support for it: on Paper Mario's start menu, if you highlight the time counter, it says something to the effect of "Time spent in the Mushroom World" 23:42, 8 December 2008 (EST)
 * So both "Mushroom World" and "the Mushroom World" are correct then. --
 * Just like "Earth" and "the Earth." Ha, ha... that discussion must have been at least a year and a half old and still I remembered it... wow. 16:25, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Game Lands & Show Lands
I think it would be better if the locations in the TV show be seperated in a different category than the video game locations. They should be split into two categories to not be confusing. -


 * While I don't think we should seperate them, because that would imply different levels of "canon," we should probably indicate the first appearance of each of these locations, as we do with the first appearance of notable members of species in species article. Then we can organize the list by first appearance, instead of alphabetical order. --