User talk:Wayoshi/Archive 21

 Feel free to make a section for anything, k? Just make it worth my while.

help
HEy, what just happened? I was blocked from editing for a minute, why?

sorry about not singin on ur user page --Blue Koop 09:52, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

ok--Blue Koop 09:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

how do u undo what others did, plus we should kepp my brother blocked for like 2 or 3 months Blue  Koop C

CAN YOU HELP ME PLEASE? I would like to be able to edit the Mario Kart Wii Page, as I have got the game and have almost completed it! thank you Wayoshi, User:WaluigiKart

Even though I am British?

Mr. Wayoshi, I am quite irritated about the fact that you said i could edit on Thursday 17th April. It is now Friday 18th. I still cannot edit the MKW page. Help me, please?

Thank you very much Mr. Wayoshi!!!!

Colors
Hey,Wayo. It's Nega-Mario. What is the hexademical code for cyan text on a yellow background? Reply at my talk

Gallery
Hey, Wayoshi. Nega-Mario here again. I need to know:If you upload a bunch of Photoshopped images, then make a page with a gallery of them, do all of them count as personal images? Reply at my talk.

Ok 4 However, Nega-Mario has more of 4 PIs (many of them still uncategorized as PIs),  could you stop that?

Oh wait... have you talked with him? sorry...

Question
Yo Wayo, DarkMario, formerly Nega-Mario here. Umm, how do you take stuff from an image on Photoshop and put it on another iamge? Also, I wanted your permission for a sprite job, which is a recolor of yours. I felt that I needed your permission ,otherwise it would be offensive. Bye.

Chat question
DarkMario here, Wayoshi. I can't access the chatroom at all. It just gives me the outline of a box with a red "x"? WTF happened? Reply at my talk.

Main Page
Why did you revert my edit?

User:Birdoshi
Hey can you keep an eye on this user?

I Need Advice
There's been some trouble reported to me on my talk page by Fixitup. He was being difficult and taking offense to DP's request to settle down and not call users, "buttheads." DP lost it, flaming him, and now Fixitiup wanted me to do something. So I calmed down both of them and told them that it was a situation in which I would either have to block both or neither of them for a short amount of time. DP accepted my offer not to blocked either of them, but Fixitup is calling for both of them to be blocked, but DP for a longer amount of time so that he'll learn a lesson.

I really don't want to lose two of the Wiki's best contributors, but I know that I really should block them, just as DP should have just blocked Fixitup when this whole issue began. What do you think? Should I go ahead and block them both for a first offense 24 block? 18:54, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Cool. I just didn't feel like it was my place to dole out blocks to a more experienced sysop.  I'll remember what you said about Fixitup in case there's a next time.  21:37, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

About the chatroom list, can you include #Shroobs? It came before all those and... can you inlcude #Brawl too?

Troll
Well, he's still saying that it's someone using his IP via proxy. I don't see much to do in this case. - 16:31, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Showhide extention
Hello, Wayo, I need to tell tha the extention doesn't works efficiently, and sometimes, the link [Hide] or [show] doesn't appear in the page (or the table) - i have the case in Mario kart wii article, only to hide the ways of unlocking secret stuff, to give dynamism, perosnally. however, trying to put the extention doesn't work there :[. my proposal in this wiki would be then, of putting the collapsible table extention in this wiki - the way you've put the sortable extention here. I found this in the wikipedia's mediawiki-monobook.js, i hope this help us :

/** Collapsible tables ********************************************************* * *  Description: Allows tables to be collapsed, showing only the header. See *             NavFrame. * Maintainers: User:R. Koot */ var autoCollapse = 2; var collapseCaption = "hide"; var expandCaption = "show"; function collapseTable( tableIndex ) {    var Button = document.getElementById( "collapseButton" + tableIndex ); var Table = document.getElementById( "collapsibleTable" + tableIndex ); if ( !Table || !Button ) { return false; }    var Rows = Table.rows; if ( Button.firstChild.data == collapseCaption ) { for ( var i = 1; i < Rows.length; i++ ) { Rows[i].style.display = "none"; }        Button.firstChild.data = expandCaption; } else { for ( var i = 1; i < Rows.length; i++ ) { Rows[i].style.display = Rows[0].style.display; }        Button.firstChild.data = collapseCaption; } } function createCollapseButtons {    var tableIndex = 0; var NavigationBoxes = new Object; var Tables = document.getElementsByTagName( "table" ); for ( var i = 0; i < Tables.length; i++ ) { if ( hasClass( Tables[i], "collapsible" ) ) { /* only add button and increment count if there is a header row to work with */ var HeaderRow = Tables[i].getElementsByTagName( "tr" )[0]; if (!HeaderRow) continue; var Header = HeaderRow.getElementsByTagName( "th" )[0]; if (!Header) continue; NavigationBoxes[ tableIndex ] = Tables[i]; Tables[i].setAttribute( "id", "collapsibleTable" + tableIndex ); var Button    = document.createElement( "span" ); var ButtonLink = document.createElement( "a" ); var ButtonText = document.createTextNode( collapseCaption ); Button.style.styleFloat = "right"; Button.style.cssFloat = "right"; Button.style.fontWeight = "normal"; Button.style.textAlign = "right"; Button.style.width = "6em"; ButtonLink.style.color = Header.style.color; ButtonLink.setAttribute( "id", "collapseButton" + tableIndex ); ButtonLink.setAttribute( "href", "javascript:collapseTable(" + tableIndex + ");" ); ButtonLink.appendChild( ButtonText ); Button.appendChild( document.createTextNode( "[" ) ); Button.appendChild( ButtonLink ); Button.appendChild( document.createTextNode( "]" ) ); Header.insertBefore( Button, Header.childNodes[0] ); tableIndex++; }    }     for ( var i = 0;  i < tableIndex; i++ ) { if ( hasClass( NavigationBoxes[i], "collapsed" ) ||         ( tableIndex >= autoCollapse && hasClass( NavigationBoxes[i], "autocollapse" ) ) ) { collapseTable( i ); }    } } addOnloadHook( createCollapseButtons ); 17:23, 20 April 2008 (EDT) I have some other links about that, only call me if you need them.

Wow
So you are preparing for the Mario Wiki Awards 2, right?Well, can I help with it?(Or is it only for Sysops?)

Deletion
Could you please delete ? It shows I'm it's only contributor, but it only had one link in the category. I followed the link and got rid of the categories. Unfortunately, it looks like I've spammed by creating useless categories. D:
 * Never mind; Blitzwing deleted it.

There is an image pending deletion. It's something like Yoshi and Birdo 4ver.

'el tasty shroomwarning
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Hi! You seem nice. I'm Toadette 4evur, but feel free to just call me Toadette. =)

MKWii
Did you beat the game already?

Question
Ever since I've came here, I've had a question that's yet to be answered. Look at the following:


 * (diff) (hist) . . m Rosalina‎; 00:52 . . (-60) . . Stooben Rooben (Talk | contribs) (No proof.)
 * (diff) (hist) . . m Rosalina‎; 00:51 . . (+27) . . Stooben Rooben (Talk | contribs) (→The New Girl)

What exactly does the (+27) and (-60) mean? I've never understood it, and I figured you would know the answer.
 * Thank you! 21:39, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

plea
Steve suggested on AIM that I talk to the mods. Well I gotta say that I'm sorry my remark about the Shroom was misconstrued. I was implicating it seems like I'm smoking shroom sometimes, not the Shroom writers. AND I DO KNOW what what the Shroom is. I was merely jesting cuz some members thought for some reason i didn't know what the Shroom is. Wouldn't you miss me if I was gone forever cause I'll miss you cause I've grown a fondness for you Mr. McWayo. I hope you side with Blitzwing(who wants it not to be permanent), who is my friend who turned out to be an unexpected ally. A good sumaratin. The Bible says you should forgive and I forgive the the ppl who banned me even if my remark was misunderstood. If I'm let back on, I'll be a WarioLoaf type member. I mean I'll post not that much and while retaining my Mario smarts I'll just try to make insightful stuff and filter junk that can make controversy. Ok how's that sound? I'd do the same for you my dear friend. Just a good productive forum member i wanna be. X06 21:46, 5 May 2008 (EDT)


 * I won't ever mention the opposite sex again on the forum you have my word(the ashley thing was on the nonsence board but even so I won't mention any stuff like that again). No more religion or politics I just don't think it belongs on the mario wiki forums.  You got my word.  I hope to help your descion.  Imagine if you were in my shoes i'd try to help you out.  Even u messed up a couple times.  But I'll be extremly careful from now on everything I say.  EXTREMLEY.  X06 22:31, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

How do I unlock...
Sonic the hedgehog stickers in Brawl? I've got every sticker series but that.

What do you mean by creating a factory?

Oh Come on
WcMayo pwns McWayo.....

AND BUY SOME MIRACLE WHIP WHILE YOUR AT IT >:(

So, you got scared that I pwned you, and delted your records XD

Anniversary
Hey, Wayo. Sorry to bother you, but do you know if sign-ups for the Award Committee will re-open? If so, when? 00:16, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Super Blooper
Why did you delete the page of the Paper Mario enemy Super Blooper to move the kart's page onto it? The enemy has got a right to live. I'm currently having problems restoring all revisions the page had before. Still, I can't find any point in the page's history where it has been made a redirect. - 05:16, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You were the one quoted in the block log to have deleted the article. :/ - 11:55, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't really make any sense of the article's history still. Well, it should all be fixed now, adding an articleabout template should do it. - 13:30, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Blue Koop
hey, i read about your sad willy history on userpedia, that must have sucked, sorry u lost your head

the user is vandalizing the pages of the wiki  "that's all"

I suggest you block him and his sockpuppet, -- 11:08, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Smoke
Alright, every time I ask a Sysop, they go offline. Please, will you please block the last 5 accounts Smoke has created? Here's a list of them:

19:48, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
 * That's fine; it's not up to me. I just figured he'd vandalize when no one's around. 21:01, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Lul
I noticed that the topic you recently created on the Sysop board got deleted. Nice job covering your screw-up, eh?. --Blitzwing 19:09, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

J-Man89
is adding a bunch of non-canon stuff to articles. Can you block him?
 * 'K. I just thought I'd ask you since he added kept adding it.

No Wai!
Hey Wayo, if you retire, ill retire on this wiki too. You know I was just joking about what I had said right? Your the most coolest person I have ever met. So, I'm leaving the choice to you. Please don't retire. D:


 * So we arent friends :'(
 * I thought we were man, but I guess your just not the type of friend I was looking for. Come on, your wayy better than all of the other friends I have. Even better than Xze.

Shroom-Warning
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friendship
Wayoshi Id like to be your friend.Will you?Luigi3000

Can you block the user Evillian? He's adding stuff like "Mario is a loser" to articles. Hello Wayoshi, Iron Maiden here, I got banned on the forums for no reason (I only made one post EVER!). The error message reads; "Sorry Iron Maiden, you are banned from using this forum! This is per unanimous descision of the Moderator staff. You have been blocked THRICE for the same reason within the last three months, and yet you continue your offending behaviors. This was the last straw, you have been blocked FOREVER."

Chat
Could you allow "#HyperChat" on the MarioWiki?

You Really Did Me A Favor...
You don't even know me, so that might sound scary. Basically, I just looked at the PM:TTYD page and saw the great range of media files. Thankyou so much for uploading some of the coolsest soundtracks from the game! I love the music from that game! Oh, and The Thousand Year Door is by far my favourite Mario game of all time, only beaten by Zelda:Twilight Princess by a tiny bit.So, thanks.

Your page seems very professional, so your Bearaucrat ...Beuraarcar...Beauraucrat ....Beruscra....stuff this.

Anyway, that word that means you're above Sysop rank does not surprise me. I'm just a standard user. Would you consider me a noob...or is February 18th this year long ago enough for me to become a normal user?

If you like random humour, I'll give you some, so just ask.

... ... ...

BTW, what did you actually use to record those soundtracks...and did you use some special method? I'd like to know so I can attempt to record equally awesome music such as the theme called "Into The Darkness" from Super Paper Mario...or the track "A Powerful Enemy Arises" or whatever it's called.

No funny typos yet...that's a snham, because tuypos are funny.

Willy
Who is willy on Wheels?Luigi3000

Spammer
is spamming pages. Can you block him?

Hey, im new to super mario wiki. Can i ask u a question? How do u make a box around a picture like u did to ur yoshi?Nintendo gamer 22:57, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Another chat request
Could you add #1337chat to the chatroom? 1337Yoshi

question!!
how did you made the table on your user page, the one with your name? --http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1526/tucayosz9.png 12:28, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Voting Syntax
�.?��3\ bother you, but my stupid compter doesn't let me see inside the blue-rimmed syntax boxes so I don't know what codes to use whilst voting for the MWiki Awards. Is it just "A#N#"? I'm basing that on how we should use "A#" with no "N#" for skipping votes (since that bit was in the body text I could read it). I was confliced on whether I should ask you here or on the Poll's talk page, but since time's running out I figured I'd go straight to the source. Hope you don't mind. -

Hey, I'll be away for the holidays tomorrow, and I might miss the sign ups for the Mario Awards presentations. Is it possible to reserve an award for me to do the presentation on? If so, can it be A16, favourite power-up, like last time? (And I'd like to do U9, Favourite Artist, if userpedia awards have presentations.)

Shroom delay
Thanks to an OVERWHELMING lateness from almost every 'Shroom writers, the issue has been postponed to July 12th. Hopefully, you will be able to release it by then... Right?

The Awards
Hey Wayoshi, I just signed up for all three tournaments and I'll be announcing the Best Remake award :D Hope you don't mind, but I did have a few questions: 1) I didn't quite understand where and at what time the ceremony would take place, all I read was that it would be on August 8th. 2) Does the comic need to be full-length, or could it just be like a Sunday Morning comic-length, 3) In the tournaments, how exactly will we be able to fight everyone? Don't we need to register each other's friend codes first? 11:56, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * OK then, I'll get started on the comic ;) But I will need your sprites for it though. 13:05, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey,Wayo: I'm sorry,but i have withdrawn from presenting at the Awards. I've removed my sigs from A13 and A14. It's too much for me. - Xt e  r  r  a 1 19:35, 8 July 2008 (EDT) Sorry.

how about now
i signed up for two and yes i'm on the chat and forum 20:50, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

hi
i have ton of ?'s since im new can u help me please! user:yoshiman411 oh yeah i forgot about dat thanx!

yoshi talk
im makin a article on my user page and the topic is luigis mansion read it and see if u like it. Its kinda like a talk show i post a subject people ask about or say cool facts on my talk page then i post it to my userpage and it changes every week go check it out!user:yoshiman411

Troll
The troll account User:Nigger Dinner has the same IP as you. Care to explain? - 13:27, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That specific IP is used for your account since yesterday. - 16:54, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Your IP changed back only yesterday. Anyway, forget it. - 13:01, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

OMG ITS WAYOSHI!!!

Thx for blocking Mimicmaster! BTW, He also has a sockpuppet he made befre named The Dark Knight.

Template
Yo Wayoshi, I want to know how do you see the template that I'm making for the courses articles. Is it great, good, not good, so-so, or bad?

Yeah, I'm doing that, but is the responsible of use the bar /  Thanks for the comment.

hey WILLY--Blue Blooper 16:09, 22 July 2008 (EDT)you are willy, why did you do that, that was not cool, who did you think you were?

Awards Tourneys
I have a few questions on the awards tourneys (Mario Kart & Brawl). I have a fear that it will be in the middle of the night for me. (UTC + 2) If not I could join both. - 16:48, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Are the numbers listed on the sign-up page (16 for Brawl singles) the maximum? Because I see 20 slots.
 * At what time will the tournaments be held?
 * Okay good. I won't be able to join the Mario Kart tourney as it looks, the TV is most likely blocked at that time on Fridays. - 09:41, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Will the Brawl matches have a time limit? It says stock, but this got me confused:

"If a contestant stalls the match on purpose so that he can win by having more lives than the opponent by the time the timer ends, the contestant will be disqualified."
 * There is an option to have a time limit in stock matches, but no time is mentioned anywhere. - 09:32, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

hi
i got the internet channel and its cool!!

Help
Wayoshi, could help me? I made a proposal for merging the Merlon articles, it succeded, but I have no idea how to merge pages! Help Me! StarYoshi1

hi
Hi can u go and check the username page because i want to have mine changed to yoshi 64 ! pleeeezzz

#SuperChat
Hey Wayo could you add that to the chatroom list? Thx

WTF was wrong with my minor edit? If you don't have a good reason for reverting it, I'll permanently leave this Wiki and fix up Bulbapedia, which has so many errors it's depressing.

Wayoshi, when ever I try to access the chat room, halfway through loading, a weird window with rectangles on it appears. And when the chat room loads, the space where you type what you want to say doesn't appear. Reply on my talk page. 00:28, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

whats up?--User:Luigi3000&#124;Luigi3000 11:00, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii
What happened to the tournament? -- Booster
 * It got cancelled/moved to an undecided different date because nobody attended. - 17:22, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Error In the Detailed Results
Hello, Wayoshi. I noticed you put up the links on the Anniversary page, with the detailed results. I tried clicking on "Backup Script" for A20. Favorite SSB Veteran, and it took me here. I don't know if it was you who made the detailed results page, but just pointing out an error. All other links seemed correct...

Help
Can you read on what I put on Booster's talk page and maybe help me out a bit?

Room add
Can you add #Inuchatshazero to the user rooms list?--Inuyasha Zero 13:30, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Long Time No See
Wayoshi, what's up? How've you been doing? I heard you have Brawl, what's your Brawl Code? Mine is 2063-1004-9695 We'll have to play sometime. ----

Wayo, sorry about my lateness of the awards :( I PMed you my comic presentation anyways though. You should have warned me about it though, because I had been thinking it was on the 16th. 20:31, 12 August 2008 (EDT) If there's still anything I can do, just ask.

Rudnicki is Baaack!
Yeah, he's back on the forums as well as here. here is his userpage. Also, I'd like you to check on whether


 * The Baby Goomba
 * The Wiki Goomba
 * The F****** Goomba
 * The Brown Goomba
 * The Golden Goomba That Is Not Silver
 * The Goomboss
 * The Paper Goomba
 * The Tight Goomba
 * The Goomba Super Fast

if they have the same IP as rudnicki's new account. All of the Goomba sockpuppets were vandalising the wiki today (Mainly blanking pages, and a Flame against Toadette4evur). If those were indeed him, well, he probably has no chance of coming back to the wiki.
 * Hmm... maybe it was just a coincidence that he's goomba-obsessed on the forums, and... all of the vandal's names were Goombas. And, he came back two days ago on the forums, and the vandalization was yesterday. Maybe he used a different computer... Anyway, thanks for checking, Wayoshi.

Well, sorry again anyway. Thanks for understanding ;) Better late then never though, I guess. 14:55, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

RED SOX????
wha the .... Red sox? YANKEES RULE.
 * You should never say that to a Red Sox fan, especially if they live in Boston. And especially if they're a sysop... (j/k). BTW, I like the Red Sox too. :D


 * So do I. My brother however is a yankees fan so it's a rivalry in my own house! Besides Yankees haven't won the WS since like what 1998 or something?


 * I'ts since 2000 (their 26th title)

#blueheaven
Hey, some people still use that ya know. And Xze isn't a crat' anymore, so he can't put it back up.

Smoke here
The user alias "smoke" has appeared and it's creating accounts with nasty names again...

SMW2+2
Get to the 50 trials yet?

Un-Featuring Articles
Hey Wayo. IIRC, you were the one to implement our current FA system, right? As you may have noticed, we're discussing to introduce a new system that allows us to "un-feature" articles... I wonder what you think about this and if you could possibly implement it too, if we agree to introduce it? 15:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, I was thinking that this new system could achieve exactly the thing you're asking me: If one nominates a FA to lose its FA status, there will always be opposers who want the article to keep its FA status. But in order to make their oppose vote valid, they have to (either prove the nominator wrong or) improve the article so that the nominator's complaints aren't valid anymore. (For example: Article X is a FA, and user Y nominates it to lose its FA status because it doesn't cover game Z. User W will see this nomination, add information about game Z to article X and thus make Y's nomination invalid.) This would be a good way to improve FAs, and only in case there's nobody willing to improve it, the article will lose its FA status. 16:43, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

ok now add this chat app
Wayo, on my wiki i have a chat. 1337 told me to tell you to add G-Chat as a chat applet! THANX BYE! User: G-Yoshi

For your future Proposal
I noticed that people commented on your recent proposal that it was too vague. Which is why I like to gather opinions somewhere else first, and then put the solid idea on the proposal page. You should probably bring the css change topic up at MediaWiki talk:Monobook.css and once the people there come to a consensus, you could bring the proposal back up again, this time with a specific code for what you have in mind.
 * Thank you. 22:40, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

CSS Help
Hello, sorry to bother you, but I have a question about your CSS. How did you change the color of the main section (as in the part of the page with the text, images, and so on)? I can't seem to find the code to do so. The Gravitator 01:11, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I just tried putting that in but it doesn't seem to do anything. :/ The Gravitator 13:30, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I think you may have misunderstood my first message. I need to the code to change the color of the background behind the text, not to change the color of the text. The Gravitator 16:12, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The text is an image? As in the text that makes up the information on the articles? So, you're saying I have to add a color layer to change the color of the background? How would I go about doing that? (Sorry if I sound like a complete moron when it comes to this. I'm still rather new to coding with CSS...) The Gravitator 21:01, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

That's not what I'm wanting to change. See this screenshot here: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/lombre459/WarioScreenie.png I'm wanting to change the color of the part the arrow is pointing to. The Gravitator 22:43, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Thank you! The Gravitator 23:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

This is madness
I looked at the proposal page and saw that almost everyone voting against you chose to do so because they themselves simply don't like it. Is that allowed? Get back to me on that as soon as you can.
 * Well, there's no other sensical reason for opposing it and the proposal was created because some users apparently didn't like the Current skin. So yeah, i think we can make an exception in that case. --Blitzwing 15:32, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, like I said in the summary for when I edited the Proposal page, if Wayo's skin doesn't work out, I can enter it into my custom Monacco. Do you perhaps have the codes so that I may enter them? ☆R.O.B 128☆ 15:37, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You have to create a page called User:R.O.B 128/monobook.css and put there the coding for the monobook. I think you have to ask Wayo for the coding, though. --Blitzwing 15:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I will do that. Thanks for teh information. ☆R.O.B 128♂ 15:46, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Monobook
If your proposal doesn't work out, can I get the code so I can enter it in my Monobook? I really like your idea, and I'm sorry so many users are going against it. :( ☆R.O.B 128♂ 20:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hi! ^.^  I'm Birdoshi, but you can call me: Birdoshi :D   nice to meet you!

PipeProject Checklist
Please update the checklist for Super Paper mario enemies - the thing is: I wanna help you with this project. =D

Greetings,

Okay, I gonna check this list and update some articles, if needed.

Thanks,

And, oh, before I forget: I'm going to improve the SMRPG chracter/enemy/whatever images so they are without white background, and maybe I can find some better pictures.

MKWii
when you can race with me? btw, you use auto or manual?

Article Organization Proposal Finally Up!
Sorry for the delay! Please vote! 12:22, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

SMG, SSBB and MKWii
Score under 19:06, 31 October 2008 (EDT) : SMG, SSBB and MKWii have all been released! (Your user page still thinks otherwise :P )