MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code. Signing with the signature code (~) is not allowed due to technical issues.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 12) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 13) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 14) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes (including ties), the deadline will be extended for another week.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Add a character battle
Recently, I had nothing to do, so I decided to stop by in Zeldawikia and I discovered an awesome community article called the Temple of Courage. In this article, two Zelda characters were put to "fight". People, including those who are not users, voted for their favorite, and the one with the most votes won (obviously :P). Naturally, I didn't lose time and created and account to vote for my favorite participant.

As I already told you, I liked that, so, I was wondering if we, here in the Mariowiki, could *ehem ehem* create an article like this.

I gave you the link so that you can visit it in Zeldapedia.

So...........what do you think? Should we create our on Mario character battle or not? Any special questions in my talk.

Proposer: Deadline: April 29, 2009, 17:00

Support

 * 1) I really want to have this in the wiki.

Oppose

 * 1) - Super Mario Wiki articles are for the cold, hard facts only; save this sort of thing for a Poll.
 * 2) - Per Walkazo. Actually, there was a Character Battle in the Shroom, but it was ignored.
 * Per Walkazo.
 * 1) -- Per Walkazo.
 * 2) -- Yeah per everybody
 * 3) - Per Walkazo. This seems more of a forum-related thing.

Comments
Perhaps this idea could be incorporated into the 'Shroom?
 * That idea was in the 'Shroom. --Blitzwing 19:39, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Actually, Walkazo has a decent idea there. A bracket of sorts could be placed on the forums while the actual voting could be held via the Poll, kind of like the GFAQs Character Battles. Might be a fun little time waster. --

Removals
''None at the moment.

Splits & Merges
''None at the moment.

Make an Official Stance On Ties
I think that we need an official stance on ties completely. We already have a rule about ties, but it only applies to proposals with 10+ votes. So that is why this proposal is here. If passed, it would create a new rule about all ties in general. Voting is set up a bit oddly, but I have it detailed to make it easier to vote.

Proposer: Deadline: 28 April, 2009, 17:00

Let Deadline Be Extended

 * 1) I think that extending a proposal would be the best thing to do because it receives half support, and could possibly draw in more attention.
 * 2) - Per Super Mario Bros. Seeing as there's already a policy concerning 10+ vote ties (in the Clear Majority rule), the only logical thing to do would be to extend that same extension policy to all ties.
 * 3) - I think that it should be all ties, because what if the proposal seems less important and less people vote in it? There would probably be about the same percentage of votes, but one side may still win by 1 vote.
 * 4) - Per SMB
 * 5) -- Something like this would be a great rule to have in place. I agree with everything SMB said.

Comments
But,, on the other hand, if a lot of people vote against a proposal and that means it is a bad proposal; a lot of people vote for a proposal, it must have a good idea/rule to implement. So that is where I say that there is no definition of a "good" or "bad" proposal is, as whether it is good or bad is a matter of opinion.
 * I believe the past past rule said that any proposal with 3 opposes lost, that was because some users think itll be a bad idea, maybe talking with them would be better to decide
 * What do you mean by "The past past rule"? And talking with them and trying to make a compromise would be better if the deadline was extended (at least, in my opinion).
 * You see? Like now, you convinced me
 * Cool... Thanks!
 * To expand on the 'part part rule', when proposals were first introduced, three No votes with exceptionally good reasons would auto-reject a proposal. I wasn't very active at the time, so I don't know the exact reasoning for the change. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 19:18, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Policy on Soundtracks
Looking through the Wiki, I've noticed that we have very inconsistent coverage of soundtracks. This is because we have no policy on soundtracks. Our current soundtrack coverage consists of Music and subpages, and Template:Media. As it is, these pages are maintained according to the standard of "whatever we felt like at the time." Many of them include unofficial track names and links to full tracks from the games. I believe this system is unacceptable for several reasons:


 * 1) In linking the soundtracks, we might inhibit Nintendo's ability to make a profit, as game soundtracks are often sold as standalone products or promotional merchandise.
 * 2) Most songs from games are not officially named. Therefore, they all fall under the categories of conjectural info and fanon.
 * 3) Relating to #1 above, their inclusion may put the wiki in a questionable legal situation.

Therefore, I propose we instate one of the following alternative policies:


 * 1) Cropped Soundtracks: Include soundtracks, but ONLY as clips of the first, say, 30 seconds of each song.
 * 2) Degraded Quality: Include soundtracks at a low bitrate, so the clips will be undesirably to people looking to pirate the soundtrack.
 * 3) No Coverage: Do not cover game soundtracks.

Proposer: Deadline: 2 May, 2009, 20:00

No Coverage

 * 1) - Per 2257. I find that no coverage should be made on songs featured in Mario games for all the reasons 2257 mentioned. It's an unnecessary risk that the wiki should not take.
 * 2) - Per 2257. There is no reason to keep these pages, and we don't want to make Nintendo not able to make money!
 * 3) - Per 2257, thats piarcy

Leave as-is

 * 1) - I believe that we should leave it as is, and just bring in much more soundtracks with their proper names and description. I have suggested a pipe project on this, and i'm just waiting for support now.

Discussion
degraded copies make the wiki look degraded. Lu-igi board 10:08, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Lu-igi board: It's what Wikipedia does, that's really why I suggested it. Zafum: What do you plan to do about the tracks with no names, and how do you plan to solve the copyright issue?

I'm a little divided on the subject. I can understand the issue about MP3s on the wiki, however I'm not sure that removing the soundtrack pages altogether would be beneficial. (I'm mainly divided because I think I might be able to help contribute, meaning supply things like album covers and possibly some corrections on track details.) I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this, and thereafter I will make a decision. Neu (edits 07:53, 28 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I guess the database was reverted for some reason, (Was it Rudniki? O_o) because I actually already talked about this. Anyway, when a soundtrack is released by Nintendo separately from a game, it would still be covered under official merchandise.

Make rules for Poll Selection
The poll page is really falling apart, little by little. So I've come up with some rules that we could make that would eliminate unwanted, or repeated polls, and would make the page look much more formal:
 * 1) No signatures
 * 2) All polls with 2 more opposers than supporters will be deleted
 * 3) All repeated polls will be deleted
 * 4) All non mario polls will be deleted
 * 5) All polls that have over 10 options will be deleted

Proposer: Deadline: 4 May, 2009, 17:00

Make Rules

 * 1) - Per me.

Miscellaneous
Nothing at the moment.