Talk:Princess Peach

Is Peach Toadstool her full name, or are we assuming that?
First off, originally Peach and Toadstool were both different names used by the different regions. This is a fact, and it's probably the simplest explanation. Then, in the original Japanese Super Mario 64, she... signed her name as Piichi-hime. That's right, since there was no voice acting in the original version, she just flatly signed it as Princess Peach. In the Japanese version, there also wasn't a pink "Peach" mark - it was all text.

Then, the American release. They added a Peach mark in the letter, also having her sign it "Princess Toadstool." However, the new voice acting has her read it as "Yours truly, Princess Toadstool... Peach". Now, many, many, MANY fans have taken this the wrong way. At first, they thought Peach referred to the choice of cake. When the next game came around, it was Peach, so then we assumed that it was read "Princess Toadstool, Peach", despite the pause.

So, what is it? Well, when addressing royalty, you ALWAYS use their first name after their title, so Princess Toadstool, Peach wouldn't make sense from what I gather. Neither would Princess Toadstool Peach, since the pause would indicate that wouldn't be her last name anyway, plus its improper with the other games of the series. Now, Princess Toadstool: Peach MIGHT work, using Toadstool as her real name and Peach as a nickname, but why would she go to foreign affairs (ala Beanbean Kingdom) as Peach? The conclusion I'm drawing is that she's really reading it as Princess "Toadstool" Peach.

Now, the Shindou release of the game (as well as Japanese Super Mario 64 DS) includes a voice over as well, but the text is exactly the same as the original Japanese release. That's right, in Japan, it's not an issue - she still signs it as Princess Peach. They've ignored the English speaking role much like when Super Mario Sunshine's announced Dolphic Island as "Isle Delfino" (which we use). In Japan, it's treated as a "side name" if that makes sense. In Super Mario USA, the manual used both the American names from SMB2 AND the Japanese ones mostly from DDP. So in Japan, both names were used, but the Japanese one is the "real and proper" one.

Seeing as all we're doing is relying on a voiceover that even the Japanese didn't take seriously and there are otherwise no official sources whatsoever to say this is her full name (a SM64 interview would be preferable, but I don't think it exists), I'd say we should ignore that off Toadstool line and state her full name is Princess Peach. It's not like full names were ever an issue in the Mario series anyway. The only purpose of that line was that Nintendo of America knew it would be a big game and this was their chance to switch the name back to the original one with little effort by using both. It just one time (Japan had it twice and they still don't care). LinkTheLefty 16:51, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't think Nintendo is ever going to solve this mystery. No, we don't really know what her real name is, but because it's just a video game, I also don't think we should really insist on "real names". Just use "Peach" in the article, except for sections about games which explicitely said "Toadstool". - 17:05, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 * SMW's instruction booklet says its "Princess Toadstool" I personally think its another inconsistency of Nintendo. -- 17:09, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I think that Nintendo didn't put more than five minutes of thought into that whole issue and just threw it at us fans to see how we deal with all the chaos. They do this kind of thoughtless stuff often enough. - 17:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm pretty sure Toadstool is mentioned in SMRPG.-- 00:16, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * It's not only mentioned, she's called that the whole time in that game, but I think this is not what he's trying to argue. I think he is trying to say that he doubts that Peach's full name is "Princess Peach Toadstool", but that she's either "Princess Peach" or "Princess Toadstool" sepparate. Though I might be mistaken with my interpretion of his text... - 00:22, 22 October 2009 (EDT)


 * Well, let's keep in mind the history of "Peach" herself -- when she had her debut, she was first known as Princess Toadstool -- only that when the N64 installments came around, the name Peach became widely popular. The connections are still there, hence the full name of "Princess Peach Toadstool". Hope that solves everything. :P --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:40, 22 October 2009 (EDT)


 * I guess no one read my in-depth look at the different versions of the letter in Super Mario 64? My point is, Toadstool is horrifically outdated and was never the "original" name to begin with, just a false one only for the English audience. Nintendo has never officially stated anything on the matter. So the fans are assuming that it's her full name when that was never confirmed. I'm just saying that Toadstool is more of a nickname than anything. After all, Sega did a similar thing with Dr. Robotnik at the time with Sonic Adventure, but they didn't call him Eggman Robotnik. They established that Eggman was his alias and Robotnik is his real name, true in all regions to this day. LinkTheLefty 14:05, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Neither has Peach been referred to as "Peach Toadstool" nor has Bowser been ever called "Bowser Koopa" in the games. Both "full names", merging English and Japanese names, are names assumed by fans, the first one because of the letter in SM64(DS), while the latter name has its only basis in the old American cartoons and comics. Likewise, "Mario Mario" and "Luigi Mario" from the life-action movie also never made it into the games. @LinkTheLefty: Sega's Sonic series doesn't seem to be as name change heavy as the Mario series, so that's not surprising. But seeing in contrast to this that even the more recent Mario character Rosalina (Rosetta) comes with five different names around the world, the Peach/Toadstool name change was a major exception. And you see names made up for the English and other foreign audiences (such as Toad, Goomba, Koopa Troopa and the likes) generally as false? Of course, I fully understand preferring the names from the original works. --Grandy02 13:58, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm not necessarily promoting the Japanese names over the localized ones, but I'm all for preserving creator intent, and I've laid out that creator intent says that she does not have more than one name. Besides, what this amounts to is basically a fan-name, which is a big no-no if you're trying to remain factual. LinkTheLefty 17:39, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm also saying that all we really have is a piece of voice acting that paused anyway, which usually indicates a nickname more than anything. Besides... I've emailed Nintendo.

Hi guys. First of all, great work doing what you do. That goes to every branch of Nintendo. Here's my question - what is the name of the princess in the Super Mario games? No, I'm serious - I know the older games call her Toadstool, but the newer ones call her Peach. I played Super Mario 64 the other day, and it used both! So what's her real name? I'm a little confused.

Oh, and could you clear up the name of the big turtle guy as well? I'm pretty sure he used to be King Koopa, now it's Bowser. I know it's a silly question that probably has an easy answer, but I'm just wondering what happened here. Thanks.


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 * Yeah... I guess in the meantime I concede that both are official, but I'd still like to know why we think of her as Peach Toadstool rather than Toadstool Peach or "Toadstool" Peach or Toadstool "Peach" when there's nothing else to go by. LinkTheLefty 23:34, 13 November 2009 (EST)

Maybe, and this is just a maybe, Toadstool is a nickname that only Mario and the like use, and her real name is Peach. Or her real name is Toadstool but her nickname is Peach. This is just a guess, so...

Smileymiley5001

Okay, I know this talk is already a couple years old, but I would like to point out something interesting. You see, in Princess Peach's bio for Mario Tennis  on the N64, the first sentence says: Officially known as 'Princess Peach Toadstool, our little monarch has had a long history with Mario. The entire bio can be found on Princess Peach's page. Anyway, I am not sure if this confirms Princess Peach's full name is officially " Princess Peach Toadstool ", but I wanted to point that little detail out. ;)

--Peach4Life (talk) Thursday, July 11 2013, 5:25 PM

I don't see it in the manual. Is it in the Prima strategy guide? If so, then Prima Games' information has a certain reputation where they're often taken with a grain of salt (but it's better than nothing if true). LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:30, 10 August 2013 (EDT)


 * Update - Someone told me that they remember Nintendo (of Europe?)'s extensive Mario site calling her Peach Toadstool. Unfortunately, the exact site is down, sharing the same short-lived fate of Nintendo's other official flash sites. It also supposedly claimed that the Mario Bros. last names were "Mario", despite being denied by Miyamoto and other Nintendo sources outside the live action film. I earlier asked if someone could potentially recover a backup for archival purposes in another topic (Talk:Mario), but no luck. This could be worth investigating, since it would probably bring closure to this subject. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:39, 31 August 2013 (EDT)


 * Do you know the URL of the dead site?


 * 23:24, 31 August 2013 (EDT)


 * It was apparently called something along the lines of the "Mario Megasite" or maybe "Mario's World". I did a small search and I believe she was referring to this: http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/mario/enGB/index.html (which can be glimpsed with the Wayback Machine) or possibly an early version of mario.nintendo.com LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:27, 1 September 2013 (EDT)

Image
I LOVE the New super mario bros wii art!!!

It should be her default pic!


 * Honestly, while I love it too -- in regards to the character infobox, the profile art of Peach for Mario Party 8 is still better in this case. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:13, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually Merit. I think that new art represents Peach really well. Not only is the art a lot more in style with the newest mario game, it's not alike to most artwork you see of Peach. It really catches my eye. I think if anything we could at least have a vote here for what everyone thinks it should be. I know if Daisy happened to get new art like this, I'd demand it to be used on the top of her article. FD09

I know. It's cool isn't it?

Poll for main pic
Proposer: Deadline: November 12th, 2009, 23:59 GMT

Use Pic 1
Place votes for first picture here

Use Pic 2
Place votes for second picture here


 * 1) FD09 – always good to keep with most recent artworks, see comments below for tasty info.
 * 2) MeritC I'm beginning to get second thoughts on this; however, since I'm one of the sysops, see comments below should this pic "win", per se.
 * 3) YoshiDaisyfan1 It's better because she looks happy. :)
 * 4) User: Cberiault I like pic 2 much better!

Comments
Okay, so we have two great Peach pictures here. I will admit if pic 2 wins we will have to crop out some white space due to size technicalities when used in character infobox, but this is a common practice.

In-depth talk here: Picture 2 really represents Mario series style at it's cleanest. No extra photoshoppy details added. Makes her look really clean and matches the real Mario Bros style. Picture one is a good representation of Peach too, but it does follow the character art style that you see where details are added through later processes away from natural model details. It's nice but very overdone. FD09


 * Well, since I'm one of the sysops, I've been getting notes which are giving me some second thoughts on this. Here's what I can do -- when release week hits for New Super Mario Bros. Wii, we can change the picture since I do agree that this is the best art to date in regards to Peach. Does anyone object to this? --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:55, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Yet another heads-up from me as a sysop -- if we ARE to use the NSMB Wii art of Peach for this article, we need to reupload it from the source where Arend got said picture from (which had the said art BEFORE the Japan scans surfaced earlier this month) -- but saved it as a .PNG. Upon closer inspection, it took away some of the quality. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 02:22, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
 * 1) ghj

Necessary?
Why is it considered necessary for the captions about her outfits in Kart and Winter to be there for the sections? It isn't considering that's what the sections are for. Either remove it from the section or remove it from the caption, right? FD09


 * It doesn't hurt to be "comprehensive" about it in the caption. Hence why I restored them. Second, for those who don't have time to read the whole thing about her outfits, the caption itself should put it all together. And now I have to go restore them... again... >_> Still makes the article better. ^_^ --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:22, 3 November 2009 (EST)

It's sorta important 'cause they ARE outfits for Peach, even if they are only included in one game. And that's just MY thoughts on it, like. You might think differently and I'm not stopping you. Smileymiley5001

I think Smilymiley5001 has a point, the outfits ARE for Peach, although they are only included in one game. Whoever has a different thought on the concept, I am not trying to offend you or stop you, just what I think. I know, this is already a few years old. ;)

--SweetRosyPeach02 (talk) 01:34, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

Locked Article

 * I'm curious as to why I can't edit this article. I can understand protecting this article from newer members, but I've been here for more than a year. I'm stating this, because I'm finding it strange that I can edit certain locked articles such as the New Super Mario Bros. Wii article, but not Peach's article.  19:05, 7 November 2009 (EST)


 * The current status on this article is that only sysops are able to edit it until the expiry time hits. I locked this late last week because a certain recently banned user kept making inappropriate/offensive edits on it. I'm planning on changing it to semi-protected once release week for NSMB Wii hits; there are some changes that need to be done (including adding said section about her involvement in NSMB Wii, plus changing Peach's artwork in the infobox to the NSMB Wii solo picture of her). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 19:19, 7 November 2009 (EST)


 * Well thanks for explaining the dilemma. I was hoping to make a few improvements to some templates, but I guess I'll have to wait until I have the ability to edit this article again; I can't edit templates if they're used in articles that I can't edit.  19:33, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 * If you can't edit templates that are included in the page, notify a sysop. That's called "cascading protection" and it can be easily turned off while still protecting the article itself. - 15:10, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * Really? I'll investigate this further to see if I can turn this cascading protection off in this case. But the protection status for this article still stands -- until at least when we hit release week for NSMB Wii (as said above -- to maybe change it to semi-protection status). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:14, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * I was hoping to improve the template,  , by adding a category called Winter Games Rivals. However, I can't edit that template, because it's being used in a locked article, which is Peach's article.  16:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)


 * By the way, Peach's article is lacking the template,  .  I would add it if I could, but since I can't edit the article right now, only a Sysop can perform that task.  16:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * Tell me which categories you were trying to add and/or templates on my talk page, and I'll add them later this evening. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:14, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Shoot, I was checking the protected status of the Talk Page, not the article itself. Cascading protection is not active right now though, so we might have a bug in the system. - 16:57, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * I just took the cascading protection off on the main article itself; the primary protection status for the article still stands, however. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 17:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks for removing the template protection for me. The template has been updated with the additions that I've stated now.  17:12, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Birdo
It says that she and Birdo have bad chemistry in MSS.

Is this true, because I think it is false.


 * I took said info out just now; I seriously don't understand why it was put there in the first place. >_> --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 17:30, 10 November 2009 (EST)

It was probably on there because... guess what? It's true. FD09
 * Rather than argue, someone needs to get either video or image of said statements. If it's true, put it under Interactions, if it's false, then it still shouldn't be under the initial opening because I don't believe they're exactly friends. Same with Toadette. They're friendly acquaintances, if anything. Redstar 02:48, 27 November 2009 (EST)

I know this conversation is over a year old, but I want to add: If they do have bad chemistry, mabye it's because of Birdo being a boss on SMB2 and Peach being a playable character. That's the only interaction between Peach and Birdo (other than the sports games of course) that I know of. i totally agree with supershroom CatJedi's been here...... what is this?

Protection Status Update
Specifically for the Princess Peach supporters who have been editing this article, I've "downgraded" the protection status to the level in which folks who create new accounts aren't able to edit this article immediately. It'll go back to "all access" (normal editing for all levels) come December 1st, 2009. The coast should be clear by then since the person who vandalized this article with unacceptable content a few weeks back wouldn't bother coming back here to wreck it any further anyway (besides, he was already permabanned). Also, the solo picture of Peach for New Super Mario Bros. Wii is now used for the infobox at the top of the article itself, as I promised I'd deal with a few weeks ago. :) This is NOT to be changed until further notice. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 03:34, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Article Decrease
As a note, please be aware I'm currently re-writing and cleaning up this page as I did with the Bowser page. What I hope to accomplish is to cut down on bad writing and redundant wording, so don't worry about removal of legitimate info. If you want to question any of my edits (I go section by section), please feel free to bring it up here first. Thanks. Redstar


 * No problem so far, Redstar; I've checked the edit history. We'd mainly go after folks that attempt to vandalize the page with offensive content. This is one of the articles that I monitor personally (as well as any other articles involving the Mario females). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 02:06, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * The article is good, but I've noticed issues of bad writing on many of the pages. An encyclopedia article should be concise and clean, so I'm working to chop down the writing to be much more clear as well as offer to-the-point information. With paragraph-formatting, it should overall read much easier on the eyes. Hopefully it amounts to a much better article. Redstar 02:53, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I noticed that FD09 was doing some major cleanup again as well -- which this time around, I can't "overrule". Am I now to conclude that this article had some MAJOR problems that had to be dealt with...? And second, something tells me that there were some character article consistency problems too...? I'm seriously drawing a blank here, and even as a sysop, I'm really confused... o_O --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 20:28, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * I don't feel there are any "major" problems with this article, it's just that it's very badly written. Most articles seem to focus on the information therein rather than how it's presented, so I'm just balancing the two to make a more professional-looking and easily-read encyclopedia article. I wouldn't mind help at all, and especially input from ForeverDaisy. Redstar 21:41, 27 November 2009 (EST)


 * I'm really liking your re-arranging of paragraphs, FD09. They really make for a much better-transitioning read. Redstar 00:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)

Is that frying pan Peach uses in the Smash Bros. Series based off the move she uses in Super Mario RPG--User:UltraMario3000
 * I am Zero! Yes it is based of that. Zero signing out.

Ok i'm gonna put it in the triva.Thanks Zero777.--User:UltraMario3000

Interactions
First off somebody pulled the interactions section out of abc order without removing the fact it still said abc order? lol The other area of the interactions sections is pretty crummy looking. Not only is it not well written but it's not even going over anything mentionable. Somebody can add it back again if they can show there's reason to place it on her page within good quality. Also to go along with this, the top part of the page was once again changed because like agreed on Toadette's interactions with Peach are nothing to shine about and Birdo's are clearly not good to begin with. You can go over both of these characters in their interactions sections. FD09
 * I'll look into re-working the Interactions section in a better-written fashion once I get down there. Redstar 21:39, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Some Changes and Removals
Some things I changed and why. First of rewrote her physical description and moved around some stuff in a fitting manner to say Daisy and Rosalina's pages. Why doesn't she need an image of her appearance in her appearance description? Because not only is there an image of what she looks like as described at the top of the page, there are images of what she looks like all over the page. So why do we need an image of her current appearance in her appearance description if that's the point of her having an image at the top of the page.

Next someone tried to add back her hair information to her description even though it's already in her development section which is where it belongs because it's not about what her hair looks like now, it's about the changes and such about her hair color's depiction over time.

Also, why would we need to give examples of what games she has her ponytail in including the first game she had it in when it is so common now listing all the games she ha sit in is completely unneeded when you can just say certain spin-offs and anyone who cares to know in the first place probably knows she has a ponytail in most sports games nowadays.

Lastly, why would we place a list of nicknames in a section of the development of her name from Toadstool to Peach when nicknames are not the same thing as being referred to specifically as something for years at a time and having it change. They are unimportant names miscellaneous characters have called her in miscellaneous games which all probably have mention of the fact she was called these things at some point in their own descriptions likely on this page already above. Thank you. ForeverDaisy09 04:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Mario Sports Mix (Princess Peach's involvement)
Okay, so we know that Mario Sports Mix just got released in Japan; I just made changes to existing info so that it can reflect this release in regards to Peach. However, is anyone on the case of getting the Japan version so that we can get the rest of the facts so that we can add the respective section about Peach's participation in Mario Sports Mix itself? Let's get to it! --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 19:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

3/4 Human 1/4 Toad
Isn't Peach 1/4 Toad? Her race is listed as Human, but her grandma in Super Mario RPG is clearly a Toad.


 * We don't actually know that they're related for sure: it could have just been a term of endearment or a translation goof (the article itself discusses this in more detail). It's best to just say she's "human", since anything else could be assuming too much and needlessly complicating the matter. - 22:53, 19 January 2011 (EST)

I think she was adopted or something. You know, if the kingdom only has Toads.KingToadstool 12:09, 3 February 2011 (EST)

Family?

I've always wondered about Peach's family. I mean does she have any real relatives? Because in the first Mario Baseball game she called Toadsworth grandpa I think and she had a grandma in Super Mario RPG. So we've got her grandparents covered, although Toadsworth is confusing because in one game he's called her stewart and then in another her father. But I think that if he were her dad he'd be running the kingdom, not her. And then Daisy? Friend or cousin? I think she's just her friend,but that's just me. But Rosalina could be some distant relative. Like she was originally planned to be. But what about her parents? Does she have any? I like to believe that there's a King Toadstool because if she's PRINCESS Peach then there's obviously a king. I want to see Nintendo create a King Toadstool because it would just make sense. I'd like to see what her dad's like. Maybe her mom too. I wish I was old enough to get Nintendo to make a game about the mystery of Peach's family. Like an RPG or something. That'd be cool. It'd uncover a lot of secrets...KingToadstool 12:33, 3 February 2011 (EST)

If someone were up to it, I think there should be an article regarding her family, or maybe making suggestions as to the possibilities in the current article.

In Super Mario Sunshine, Toadsworth is called her grandad and there is a person called Grandma in Super Mario RPG, but on a different website there is a massive arguement about if its a term of endearment, they actually are related, or if the Grandma person is a nurse or nanny who looks/looked after Peach(I cant think of the name right now-I go on so many Mario websites).And in Rosalina/Daisy terms, some person said that if Daisy is Peachs cousin, Rosalina could possibly be Daisy's cousin, and therefore in a distant way be related to Peach.It also said that Daisy might be a second cousin to Peach, and Rosalina be a fifth cousin to Daisy, so thats a very distant relationship.Nintendo shoud make a family tree for Peach.And about King Toadstool, some countries occasinally have a princess but no King or Queen, because A.The King and/or Queen dies and the princess(if she is eldest and doesnt have a brother) hasnt had her(or his for that matter) coronation yet , or B.They just decide that they want a princess.So theres my side of the story.Y'know, someone should email Nintendo about this.Happy Valentines by the way!--Smileymiley5001 15:26, 14 February 2011 (EST)

Guy guys, we can't add anything to the article on basis of speculation. We can't do anything about it unless Nintendo explicitly states she is part Toad.-- 17:11, 14 February 2011 (EST)

Exactly why someone should e-mail Nintendo and ask them about it.I cant do it cause I dont have an e-mail adress (yet). They might e-mail them back and shed some light on the situation.And if they dont, we keep looking for shards of information that might shed some light on Peach's family tree.Happy 15th of February, guys!(I know its not actually a celebration, but make special days up for evrything")

Please don't write any unrelated stuff, like the 15th February thing. It's not relating to the improvement of our coverage. On the email topic, don't you think people have tried? Nintendo has much better stuff to do than check their emails. Due to how many emails they probably get, I'm surprised if they'd even see it. Also, the answer may change over time, and certain staff members could disagree. If the answer hasn't been publicly revealed, we don't need to know it. 14:22, 15 February 2011 (EST)
 * Don't we put the Japanese canon above all for the Mario games made in Japan ? Koopalmier 15:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Ok,perhaps the email thing is right, BUT I did contribute to the article anyway.Still, we should keep theorising the subject,as in a future Mario game might shed more light on the situation.--Smileymiley5001 12:00, 17 February 2011 (EST)

Part Hammer Bro.?
On the Ojiisan and Obaasan page, it says that the two Hammer Bros. are grandparents of Peach.--
 * I am Zero! That can obviously be explained as a non-canon media. Zero signing out.

Yeah,no.That isnt like,official in-game proof.Anyway Toadsworth is supposed to be her grandad.--Smileymiley5001 07:08, 23 February 2011 (EST)

@Smileymiley5001, most people have more than 1 grandpa!

Magician?
In the catergories, she's said to be a 'magician'. How does that work? Should that be elaborated in the article?
 * Yeah, when is she acting as a magician? I don't notice that in the article. 10:07, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

In Super Mario Bros. She has the power to lift Bowsers cures over the Mushroom kingdom

"Full Name" - should we bother listing it?
Nintendo has yet to officially state "Peach Toadstool" is her full name. The only thing the fans go by is the way the letter is presented in Super Mario 64, but that can be interpreted a number of ways. After all, we do not see the comma after Toadstool, so the text doesn't help. There's also a strange pause after the voice reads Toadstool. Some people might hear Princess Toadstool, Peach - others might hear Princess "Toadstool" Peach or even Princess Toadstool Peach. See what I mean?

I'm not denouncing Toadstool as her name. It's an unremovable part of her history and every bit as official, especially since it was indeed used side-by-side one time. However, there is also no tangible word on what was said or how it should be read. As far as I can tell, no other official sources tried to explain the line reading, and she was often called Princess Toadstool in supplemental materials even around that time until the next game. That's why I consider Peach Toadstool, as a full name, to be rather dubious - not necessarily invalid, but not altogether official. LinkTheLefty 13:26, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Part of the problem is that there are so many conflicting sources and unil there is an official word on whats canon we have to take every thing that nintendo has backed in this series at face value. But on the flip side that is hard to do because with out a official canon we are left having to interpret the canon which causes problems since people often have conflficting so rather than debate what is really canon it is better to think of every official product as canon until nintendo says otherwise (which they prolly wont).

Info Order
Is it me, or should her physical description and personality info should come BEFORE the big ominous list of games? It makes more sense; That goes for all character articles, too. It takes forever to scroll down to the information if you don't find the quick link in the box. All the character articles in this format, which have a lot of information, look untidy this way. It just doesn't read nor function well. Just my two cents =/ Moshata 18:24, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Title
While is the title of this article Princess Peach, Shouldn't it be just Peach? (The same goes for Daisy). Throughout the Mario Kart and Mario Party series she is referred to as Peach, not Princess Peach. And Bowser is a King but his article is titled Bowser, not King Bowser.

-IGGY7735


 * Well, in the case of this wiki (and in this article's case, especially), it's best to keep the article title being the "formal" name that Peach is known as in recent game installments (hence "Princess Peach"). While it's true that some spinoff installments just use the name Peach, that's mainly done in a casual sense, so there's really no harm done. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 17:49, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

New Princess Peach Solo Artwork Alert (Super Mario 3D Land)
To all of us Princess Peach supporters here on this article, as you all know, a new art of our lead Mario girl has surfaced. Specifically this one: As much as it pains me to say this, I believe it's time for us to change the main picture for this article to the one that I just posted here. The current one is the solo picture of her for New Super Mario Bros. Wii as you know. However, I plan to see about changing this picture when the Super Mario 3D Land game itself gets released, if there aren't any objections from you folks. Of course, there's also that solo artwork of Peach for the upcoming Fortune Street, but while impressive, the Super Mario 3D Land artwork of Peach is the clear winner here.

Also, the same picture of Peach for Super Mario 3D Land is now in the gallery as well, but once again, I'll take care of changing the main picture for this article when the time comes, if there aren't any objections. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 12:11, 6 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Finally snagged the time to say that the main infobox picture has been changed to this one as of last night; this isn't to be changed until further notice. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 15:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT)


 * I reverted the picture to it's original size and I think the pixel size for her main image should be changed to fit the 1,000 x 1,000 image. The previous image was too large for the re-size and made her look blotchy and when I first saw it I wanted to call Nintendo and ask them why they we're taking her image back a step. Upon seeing it in full size I now see the issue. In order to make her main image more visually pleasing I ask that this change be made. Thanks, Peach's Fan

We've got a "Latest Game Appearance" problem here...
Okay, heads-up to all of us who are supporters of Peach for this article -- we've got a conflict. In Japan, we've got two installments that have been released at the same time for Peach, appearance wise -- Mario Kart 7 and Fortune Street. Question is, do we put in MK7, Fortune Street, or both? Let discuss this so that we can figure out what to do in regards to the Latest Game Appearance change for our lead Mario girl. Thanks! --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 22:09, 30 November 2011 (EST)

I say both with this Mario Kart 7 / Fortune Street

That's what I said for Daisy's article. And I agree.


 * I'm leaning toward that approach as well; just waiting for more input before I proceed with the change (if not later tonight, then during the course of tomorrow). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 22:24, 30 November 2011 (EST)


 * All right, the change has now been done; just snagged the time to do this. Issue now closed. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 11:10, 1 December 2011 (EST)

Oh yeah I say we say Mario Kart 7 / Fortune Street. Makes the most sense!

-- 14:25, 1 December 2011 (EST)

Character Infobox Image Change
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With the recent release of Fortune Street, I was wondering if Peach's artwork for the character infobox should be changed. There are two options that I can think of, which are the most suitable for the job.

Proposer: Deadline: December 17, 2011 23:59 GMT

Image 1

 * 1) While both impressive, I still believe that artwork in relation to adventure installments have higher priority that artwork from spinoff installments (with a few exceptions in some cases). That's why when SM3DL got released, I made sure to change the infobox picture to this one.
 * 2) This may be a JPEG, but this is better for an infobox.

Image 2

 * 1) - I support image 2's usage.
 * 2) Newest is always better. In addition, image 2 has slightly better quality.
 * 3) Per M&SG and B.wilson.
 * 4) Well, Fortune Street IS her latest appearance, and that picture looks better anyways.
 * 5) The second photo is newer than the first, and it seems she is more cute, in our opinion.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all, image 1 has a derp.
 * 8) The Image 1 has a slightly weird light effect, while the second one doesn't.
 * 9) Although I think the two images are nice, the second shows Peach better.
 * 10) Not only is this of better quality, but the other one just looks cross-eyed.
 * 11) Per all

Comments
B.wilson: It's only better 'cause it's a PNG. Pokémon Trainer Red/Mario &amp; Luigi/Mario Bros.!
 * Really, the type of image doesn't make a difference - and part of my vote was saying the newest version of the profile artwork is always the best. --

@Pichi-Hime6: You're forgetting that Mario Kart 7 and Fortune Street were released on the same day. And to everyone else, the second image M&SG posted was revealed before the SM3DL art of Peach, BUT we didn't consider using it yet since it was part of a spinoff/crossover installment. Hence this conflict. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 11:14, 3 December 2011 (EST)

Original Design?
FYI, her original design in game artworks is the most obscure one to date, and it looked as if she were wearing a nightgown. While looking at this pic here, her crown was a simple crown where the jewels were the same color as the crown, her hair was light brown, and her dress was long-sleeved and it was mostly pink but had a magenta triangular pattern that extends to the bottom, and she lacked the gloves and earrings and that dress lacked the brooch; which can be seen on the SMB1 box art and cartridge art. Her well-known classic design that included her dress with a sash and that it was half pink and half magenta and had sphere-shaped sleeves and wearing gloves and having changed her hair to blonde and finally given earrings was first used for the Japan-only Super Mario Bros. 2 (a.k.a. The Lost Levels in Western versions of Super Mario All-Stars). --PrincessDaisyFanatic3883 01:15, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

Dr. Mario
It lists Peach as Nurse Peach under the sub category "Dr. Mario". But under Cameo Appearances, it says she made a cameo in Dr. Mario... Should something be deleted? Maybe under the Cameos category? I might be wrong! --marioboy14


 * They both still count; even though "Nurse Peach" wasn't shown in the game itself (if I'm not mistaken), the promo art of her for respective Dr. Mario games still counts as something worth mentioning on the article. No need to take any of that content out. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 02:13, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Too many edits
Guys, it has come to my attention that this page has been "fought over" in a sense, because someone keeps changing it from "dress" to "formal gown" and back again :P, can we just keep it the same? Don't we have rules about this or something?

-- 19:14, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
 * AFAIK we don't have any rules about it. I talked to Alicatgirl about it, and I told her to talk to MeritC and Tails777 about it. However, she's just been editing the page more... BrawlROB.jpg   Master       R.O.B.     (contribs · edits) 19:17, 11 July 2012 (EDT)


 * It's called edit warring, and it should stop.
 * Oh I thought Pichi-Hime was talking about Peach's outfit, not edit warring... I already gave Alicatgirl a reminder and an unofficial reminder for edit warring, and MeritC gave her a warning. BrawlROB.jpg   Master       R.O.B.     (contribs · edits) 20:30, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Per these things, everyone; I've been keeping an eye out on this as well. And yeah, Alicatgirl was held accountable by me on the admin end and others as well telling her not to make a huge flood of edits that are unnecessary. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:37, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Wait...
If Princess Shroob was disguised as Peach before the bros. and babies made it to the Koopaseum, then who was the "Princess Shroob" at the ritual? For all I know that was the real Peach.
 * She didn't. Right after the show, Peach was thrown up and Princess Shroob went into the cell to fool the Mario bros. Note that Kyle Koopa didn't see Peach in Petey Piranha's belly. Koopalmier (talk) 05:38, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Familie
Prinzessin Daisy ist die Cousine von Prinzessin Peach.Zu gleich sind sie beste Freunde. Peach's Mutter ist noch unbekannt. Ihr vater kam einmal in einem Spiel vor.


 * Marias Vater und Mutter sind nicht bekannt. Daisy ist nicht ihr Cousin. Nichts wird bestätigt. Auch dies ist ein Englisch-Wiki. Verwenden Sie die deutsche Version des Wikis bitte. 05:56, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Editing
I made a section for this, about News Super Mario Bros. U. Was it deleted on purpose? I had the evidence for it and everything. So I hope someone can tell me soon. Mr.Crackerpants 19:22, 19 October 2012 (EDT)


 * If you read the summary I posted, it said that it was still too early to place the stuff on there yet and second, another person who attempted to put that section in before the game's release had a much better description on the events involving Peach here. I do plan on restoring that section once the the NSMBU game release week hits. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 20:28, 19 October 2012 (EDT)


 * I did not know that. I just saw it didn't have that part in it. I was the one who made the NSMB2 section, so I thought mine as well do that. Sorry if I violated anything. [[Image:SMW 1-up.png]] Mr.Crackerpants [[Image:SMW 1-up.png]] 21:17, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

redirect
Shouldn't Ms. Alwaysgetskidnapped redirect here? RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
 * If it's Peach's common official nickname, then maybe. But, since it's not, I don't recommend it. 18:37, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
 * Well, I guess you don't know the person who calls her as such! TVTrash (talk)

Names in Other Languages has error
Princess Peach in Russian is "Принцесса Пич" [prin'tsɛssa piʨ]. Here is the error: there should be nominative ("Принцесса Пич" [prin'tsɛssa piʨ]):

''Кто это? Это Принцесса Пич (Who is? She is Princess Peach)''

, rather than the accusative ("Принцессу Пич" [prin'tsɛssu piʨ])

''Кого мы видим? Мы видим Принцессу Пич (Who do we see? We see Princess Peach).''

Can you fix it?
 * Done. 14:02, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Sorry, you forgot to fix transcription ("Printsessu" to "Printsessa", as needed). Vdnovichkov (talk) 08:57, 2 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Sorry about that :s I hope it's okay now! 11:32, 2 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Now all is okay, thanks ;-) Vdnovichkov (talk) 13:02, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Super Mario 3D World?
I get that it may seem a bit too early to have a section for this, but if that's true then why do Mario, Luigi, and Toad get to have sections about the game? If Princess Peach can't have a section then it only seems logical to delete the section in the other three characters'.

Super Mario 3D World Peach Artwork for picture?
Should we change the picture to the artwork for Peach in Super Mario 3D World? Or should we wait until the game is released?

SM3DW Pic
Is it just me, or does it look like Peach has a derp look on her face? I personally don't like the goof and I think it should be changed.

I think her previous picture showed her personality better. --Poponana2 (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2014 (EST)
 * I don't like it either. It seems to me that all characters from Super Mario 3D World look like they're on crack anyway. 22:06, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Super Mario 64 is not the "only" game
I feel that we should delete the part in the Super Mario 64 section that claims it's the only game to use both "Peach" and "Toadstool" as her name, or at least re-word it. Ignoring Super Mario 64 DS, she was called "Toadstool" again in Mario Party (via Toad on Peach's Birthday Cake) and in Mario Party 2 (in the game's opening-- "Then, Princess Toadstool said, 'I have a name we can all agree upon!'")
 * I believe it means it's the only game to use both at once, directly next to each other. 18:55, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

Minor Mistakes
I noticed a couple of minor mistakes on this article. Take a look at this: " Although in Super Mario Galaxy it is not seen that Rosalina and Peach are friends, in issue 38 of the Super Mario-Kun manga, they are shown to be good friends. While the " Ends of the Universe " begins to occur, them talk as old friends. " This came from the section on Peach's article regarding her relationships with other characters. I would fix this myself, but I can't because the article is locked. - KitKatM (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Well you'll be autoconfirmed if you made 10 edits and wait for some days. 16:40, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the heads-up, just wanted to fix a little mistake. - KitKatM (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2014 (EDT)

Peach's profile artwork
Do we really need that derpy look of the princess as her profile artwork, I think that just because it's one of her most recent artworks, doesn't mean we have to use it, I liked the Fortune Street better, it looked more formal. Of course I'm not saying we should use an old N64 artwork, but at least use something that depicts her on her recent look and that looks good.--CastleResearch (talk) 12:29, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
 * (previous comment): "I don't like it either. It seems to me that all characters from Super Mario 3D World look like they're on crack anyway." 02:38, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

Is it possible if someone could add, in the "relationships" section of article regarding Peach's relationship with Daisy that the PRIMA Official game guide of Mario Kart Wii states that Peach and Daisy are cousins. Check it out!


 * It IS the Prima Guide, though, and Prima has a knack of stating things that aren't stated anywhere else. I.e. Toadette being Toad's sister. Other sources say she's his friend. There are no other sources that say the same thing, and I highly doubt Nintendo would agree with that stance, especially how it isn't explored at all outside of that single statement. So I wouldn't add it. 02:38, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

Mario Party 10 artwork
Since we now have a high-quality version of it with no background should we change her picture to that? It's obviously more recent than Super Mario 3D World's (which is outdated by over a year now).

I would agree with that but maybe we should wait until the game is released?

Toadstool
I'll get the ball rolling by pointing out that Peach's Mario Tennis 64 bio says that her name is officially "Princess Peach Toadstool". I haven't had the chance to read other users' comments, but let's start with that.
 * Good eye and to the point. However, the basic manual profile reads, "She can blast the ball right down the line." (pg. 32). As far as I can tell, only Prima made an English player's guide. From what can be gathered, no other contemporary official source directly states this as fact. At the moment, Nintendo of America seems to have largely disassociated from the Toadstool name for what it is - a previous localization attempt - and you can see in the wording suggesting that two are entirely separate names when it was addressed in one of the loading tips of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (North American version): "Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom　Peach first appeared in Super Mario Bros., where she was known as Princess Toadstool. This was also the first of her many run-ins with Bowser..."


 * Actually, if you look above a while back (although it's frankly a little hard to veer my eyes to my own writing from years ago), I tried to pinpoint potential places where Nintendo of Europe openly used Peach Toadstool - unfortunately, the exact areas of the site are long dead, and there's nothing to rely on but a memory that it happened. Overall, since there is one apparently verified or clarified Prima source, would I say the current evidence is sufficient for that full name to be mentioned in the info box? I would say...probably not, due to the visible lack of both higher and later sources supporting it. This is still at least certainly noteworthy and appropriate enough to add to the Name section, in my opinion. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:17, 8 March 2015 (EDT)

Okay I'll try to make my case, the name Toadstool is a separate name she got from the NA localization team back when Super Mario Bros. was being localized as they felt like the name Peach didn't suit the theme the game had and came up with the name Toadstool because they thought it was a better fit. They kept using the name Toadstool throughout the NES, SNES and some of the N64 era. The name stuck around for so long as it did because that's what most people in NA and Europe came to know her by, but that doesn't change the fact that her official name has always been Princess Peach If you ask me they shouldn't have come up with the name in the first place, you don't change a characters name just because you don't like it. But enough rant, the name Toadstool should only receive a mention in the Name section of her profile, nothing more.

As an aside (since this is a similar subject) - the Bowser article does use King Bowser Koopa as his full name in the info box, but I think it's mainly because it was actually in semi-regular use at one point and there isn't really anything in later sources that would contradict it, whereas with Princess Peach Toadstool there's only that (what I presume to be) one-time Prima quote. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:49, 15 March 2015 (EDT)


 * Are we forgetting the fact that Super Mario 64 refers to her as Princess Toadstool, followed by Peach? Now I know this isn't confirmation that her full name is Princess Peach Toadstool, but it does imply it as a NoA "retcon". Of course, you could argue therefore that her name is either Princess Toadstool, or Princess Peach (or just Peach) but not both at once, which would be a fair point, as the games have never referred to her as Princess Peach Toadstool. Incidentally, I'd personally take a Prima guide with a big grain of salt.
 * For that matter, I take question with King Bowser Koopa, as far as I know that was taken from the cartoons (and was a quick fudge in the SMB3 series to make up for the fact that they called him King Koopa when his English name was Bowser), which are about as relevant to the main series as the Zelda cartoons are to it's series. Meaning not at all. King Koopa is practically an entirely different character. I love him and he's hilarious but he's not Bowser. Fizzle (talk) 15:17, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
 * He was called "King Bowser Koopa" in the White Knuckle Scorin' story: it's canon, deal with it. In all honesty, Peach's SM64 letter should be enough proof that her full name's Princess Peach Toadstool, and the fact that it's corroborated by a Prima quote just strengthens it. And it makes sense: Princess Peach + Princess Toadstool = Princess Peach Toadstool; most fans do that math just fine, and so should we, seeing as SM64 goes out of its way to have "Peach" written in the same letter as "Princess Toadstool" rather than just changing the name without any crossover. As long as we don't outright make stuff up, we are afforded some wiggle room when it comes to stuff like this, and frankly, I feel we'd do more harm than good to our reputation by being needlessly pedantic about Peach Toadstool's widely accepted full name. -  15:42, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

Again with the letter.. this is the only time we've seen both names used at the same time and do I have to remind you that the letter was not written by her but by Bowser. She has never been refered to as Princess Peach Toadstool in any game, prior to Mario 64 it was Princess, Princess Toadstool or just Toadstool, after Mario 64 it's always been Princess Peach or Peach with a few exceptions with remakes etc.


 * Since when was the letter written by Bowser? Peach sent it, then Bowser took over before Mario got there - why would Bowser summon Mario only to tell him "No one's home! Now scram!" when he arrived? And even if it was Bowser, getting the name wrong is a poor way to try and impersonate someone: if anything, he'd use the full name to try and prove he's authentic. No matter which way you spin it, your "it's Bowser making mistakes" interpretation is baseless speculation and clutching at straws. You're also wrong about SM64 being the first use of "Peach": she was called "Princess Peach" in Yoshi's Safari, before going back to Toadstool for SMRPG, with SM64 using both "Peach" and "Princess Toadstool" in both that letter and the manual, where Mario calls her "Peach" and the narration calls her "Princess Toadstool" (which Bowser also calls her in-game): clearly, we are meant to accept that both names are applicable, and the most natural interpretation is that Peach is her given name, used by those familiar with her. Apparently, the Mario Tennis 64 guide calls her "Princess Peach Toadstool", and non-game media are considered canon too: if there's conflict in names, the games get priority, but when there's a void, as there is here, it's fine to use print media as a source, rather than just adamantly refusing to use all the information available and denying the most sensible solution to reconciling the two names. - 19:57, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

Nurse Toadstool
Shouldn't Nurse Toadstool have her own page? Dr Mario does even though he's obviously the same as Mario, so why not Nurse Toadstool? Quizmelon (talk) 00:50, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Dr. Mario has appeared in more games and has more statistics (mainly due to his appearance in Smash) whereas Nurse Toadstool has yet to actually appear in a game. She only appears in artworks, but never within the games themselves, so there wouldn't be any information to add. 15:51, 11 October 2016 (EDT)

Uh the quote changed
It was something else from thousand year door right?
 * The person who changed the old quotes, which was "I can't believe I got kidnapped... again.", said that a quote about being kidnapped made no sense. -- 17:43, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I disagree with that person's reasoning. Peach's original quote suits her general role across games easily, and it fits her far better. This? This is just some one-off quote she made in a game that she had to answer to a computer who doesn't know about feelings. 17:47, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I agree with you Baby Luigi, I know she has a hearts motif, but I don't really interpret that as a love thing, so in all honesty the new quote does a much worse job at displaying her as a character.
 * I agree that the kidnapped quote fits her far better. I think it should be changed back. -- 17:57, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
 * This one seems kinda long and rambly and doesn't really have anything to do with Peach herself. I also liked the "Mario, you're my knight in shining armor!" quote from SMRPG. 18:12, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Exactly what I was thinking. In the case of Peach, I'd rather it be something positive that represents her well. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 23:48, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
 * The quote did get reverted by Yoshi876; but I still think a "positive" quote representing Peach's character overall would be better. I do agree that the "getting kidnapped... again" one is a bit annoying and repetitive, even though it's true, history wise regarding this series overall. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 14:30, 19 April 2017 (EDT)

Attire for SMO
It says she wears "black leggings" for her cap kingdom outfit. This is false, those are tights, as they cover her feet. Please fix. Maroonnick (talk) 15:54, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
 * Okie-dokey. 15:58, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

Super Mario Party Peach Promo pictures - which one to use for the infobox when the game releases?
Okay, same case for using one of the latest Princess Peach promo arts from Super Mario Party when the game gets released later this week. The only question is, which one of the two pictures should be used?

I think the second picture here would be the best candidate to use when the time comes later this week when Super Mario Party hits store shelves, but waiting for others to respond on this. Thanks in advance, all. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 18:34, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Voting first picture because it's larger and sharper. Unless someone can find a better image of the second one in two days :P 18:38, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
 * I was honestly hoping that the press/journalist media would have the promo arts in general for Super Mario Party in their original sizes by now; still keeping fingers crossed for the best. And I'm still hoping HQ versions of both these pictures definitely surface in due time. I have no doubt that we're all in agreement that one needs to be put in the character infobox while the other could be place in the gallery preview section here. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 18:42, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
 * I personally prefer the first one as it is more lively and less stiff, although admittedly the second artwork is the quintessential artwork of Peach, the one that fits most games.--Mister Wu (talk) 05:57, 4 October 2018 (EDT)