Talk:Luigi

'Negative' Impact
I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall

it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere.

Age
Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK


 * Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.)

Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.)

For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely.

b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely.

c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B.

So, either B or C. Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT)


 * Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns

Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours. - Yoshi Master It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST) In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. Paper Jorge


 * I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins.

And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins... User:Remiel

If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..."

OMG I don't really care because Luigi ROX!

In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Mario is about 27. Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's.
 * In Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, a character who did not no them referred to them as "middle-aged." 23:17, 1 December 2008 (EST)

I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST)

I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins!

-- 14:44, 7 November 2011 (EST)
 * They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&amp;L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins. P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi.

-- 20:32, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Images
If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). Paper Jorge

Mr. L Merge
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AnimeLuigi.jpg - deleted?
Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT)


 * I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log,, who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...)


 * Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know.


 * Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it...
 * If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;)

Super Mario 64 DS
May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

According to Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns

Question
Why was most of the Pics removed?

I don't know, but somebody has to put them here before deletion. PP

Well I might not know Why, but I know who. It was This guy. Anonymouspp

Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7

Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis?

Spring Cleaning!
THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10


 * It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns

Well at least fix the link. Minimariolover10


 * And put the Images back on! PP


 * We're too late. PP

Quote
I think "I hope she made us lotsa of spaghetti!" from Hotel Mario would make a much better main quote, anyone agree? Glowsquid

I reckon I'm-a Luigi umber one! is better Super   Yoshi10 | Lookey This


 * I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough.

Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote. Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Relationships
I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it?

I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd.

Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!"
On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course) Klaus Kratchet

Vote for the Main Quote
As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing

Option 1

Option 2

"I hope she made us lot's of spaghetti!"

- Luigi

Option 3

"That's Mama Luigi to you Mario!"

- Luigi

Option 1
13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game

SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one.

Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that.

Option 2
Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Option 3
I think this option should be because: 1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario and 2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud

vote for the Main quote
I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world.

Super Mario Galaxy
Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST))

There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero)

Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST))

"Paper" Luigi...
Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. I remember a similar issue with Tayce T.

Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...)
 * Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)

It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.)

Luigi's Final Smash
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article.

Mention: Yes. Article: No. HyperToad

Where does he get that smash from anyway?

apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow.

Early artwork
Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more.  Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know.  23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games.  20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.)
 * That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to.  In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria.  10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Mr L
Shouldn't we create a separate page for Mr L? --Mario was defeated by Bowser. Peach Cried.

Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub.
 * It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc.  17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST)


 * You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it?


 * A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

Out of Order Pictures
I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT) Yup.[Yoshitheawesome]

Melee
how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&amp;F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911

I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better. 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Pizza!
From Wikipedia:

"In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]".

I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Luigi Mario?
OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever.
 * Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O
 * Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P  01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Interactions with other characters
I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this.
 * But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection.

In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas.
 * The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0

Possibly...

King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee".

The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

?
why is he in the police catagory?
 * Because of this comic. --Grandy02 13:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Personality
"When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;"

Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him.

And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy.

Edofenrir 07:25, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Younger twin brother?
I'm confused.
 * How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --
 * Well, how do we know if Luigi's younger?
 * Read Luigi for details. --

Tanned
Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. &#91;&#91;User:Clarkmaster&#124;Clarkmaster&#91;&#91;UserTalk:Clarkmaster&#124;Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)


 * That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well.


 * Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater!

Meaning
I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)


 * Where did you get that information from?


 * Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST)

...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Luigi in Brawl
I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST)


 * The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST)

Weegee
I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT)


 * -_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--

I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)


 * Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

information actually about Luigi
In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
 * That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

Different in SMB3?
The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
 * I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
 * So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
 * No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

2 Sections
How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed.
 * There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi, while Luigi goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Merge Casanova Koopa with Luigi
Merge 6-1

This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi.

Proposer: Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out.
 * 2) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this.
 * 3) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article.
 * 4) Per Marioguy.
 * 5) - Per all. We merged Leo Luster, so we should merge this too.
 * 6) - Per all. It's a stub that someone forgot to stub.

Oppose

 * 1) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation.

Comments
I put it in the wrong place.
 * Where's the Cassanova Koopa article? I can't find it ._.
 * I am Zero! I also tried to look for Casanova Koopa.... Zero signing out.
 * I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?

I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out.

Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L.
 * It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST)
 * In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO).
 * Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos?

I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out.

Parent category
Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST)
 * I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it.
 * In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father

Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT)

Quote
I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below. Nope...they probably won't work. &#123;&#123;subst:nosubst&#124;User:YL/sig&#125;&#125; 06:53, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
 * "And that's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!"
 * "I hope she makes us lotsa spaghetti!"
 * "Lucky I found a magic balloon!'"

Artwork
Perhaps this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins. Plus, it would go with Mario's well.

Split a SMG Luigi into a new article
This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page,, kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however.

Proposer: Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT.

Split the NPC Luigi

 * 1) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it.
 * 2) Per Walkazo
 * 3) Per Walkazo.
 * 4) Per Walkazo
 * 5) Per Walkazo.

Split neither (a.k.a. do nothing)

 * 1) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock.
 * 2) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters.
 * 3) &mdash; They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page.
 * 4) Per all
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) - Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess.
 * 9) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Per all
 * 12) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split?
 * 13) They're almost the same one...

Comments
To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST)
 * To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST)

No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting.


 * I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)

The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it.


 * I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST)

I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)

1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST)

"To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)"

Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual.

Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST)

An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST)
 * Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you.
 * People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST)