Talk:3DS Music Park

Shouldn't there be the music from MK8? --WhiteYoshi2014 (talk) 10:29, 2 July 2014 (EDT)

Split Bouncing Note from Music Park
There's no reason to keep them on the same page, considering we have a lot of pages for minor enemies that only appeared in one game or its remakes (even conjecturally named ones, and ones that only appeared in one area). Besides, we even have pages for non-game one-time enemies, so why not this?

Proposer: Deadline: April 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) I support my proposal.
 * 2) I support this proposal, because Bouncing Note appear twice (Mario Kart 7 and 8), more then one-time only enemies who have a article. So I think the Bouncing Notes deserves an article. Per Binarystep.
 * 3) Since Bouncing Notes appear twice in Mario Kart so, let's support it. The checkered flag has been waved and I approve this proposal!
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Honestly, I don't think this even needs a proposal, though apparently not everyone agrees. Per all.
 * 6) While I'd oppose splitting Moving Trees, snowballs or rolling rocks, I support this since Bouncing Notes are more on like living objects rather than generic inanimate objects.

Oppose

 * 1) Per my reasons it got split in the first place. There is little reason to create an article on a stage hazard that is exclusive to one stage, Music Park, when being included in the course description is sufficient. Saying it appeared in two games is a fantastically weak argument since it is the same course, but with enhanced graphics. The gratuitous amounts of links provided is supposed to suggest that the lack of a Bouncing Notes article is a coverage gap. The proposal then suggests that since minor enemies get articles, minor stage hazards in one-off courses get articles. This comparison does not compel me in any form simply because there is a difference: the enemies are notable enough to have their own article. We'd have a coverage gap if we covered common enemies but left out the more elusive ones. Simple course hazards, unlike enemies, do not deserve their own articles unless they are a common element, since there are other course hazards that do not get their own articles. If we let this proposal pass, we'd open the doors to create articles for Moving Tree, the rolling thing from Thwomp Ruins, the pinballs in Waluigi Pinball (which appear in TWO games, Mario Kart DS excluding the remade 3DS version, and Mario Sports Mix!), the mechanical Piranha Plants in Waluigi Stadium, the snowballs from DK Pass, the falling pillars in Dry Dry Desert, the shooting spaceship from Spacedust Alley, the Yellow Devil from Wily Castle (which honestly needs a merge anyway since King Bulblin and Lord Bullbo are so), the drawbridge bell from Boulder Canyon, and so on. Perhaps a lot are just generic objects (although I don't see how Bouncing Note is somehow more notable than those), but this proposal, I feel, might open the doors to these mostly-redundant articles. Wiggler Bus might be used as an example, but I think it's borderline too much, and it has the excuse of appearing in two different stages in one game.  td;lr I think Bouncing Notes fail the significance test, and it would be mostly redundant. If it is missing, there wouldn't be a coverage gap. The comparisons made to one-off enemies are not sound. It leads to questions on other, arguably as notable or more notable, stage hazards which are redundant to their stage hazards.  td;lr of td;lr It's going to be redundant.
 * 2) Per the person above.
 * 3) Per Mario, but I'd argue for Yellow Devil to stay separate since it's a full-fledged boss and standards have changed since Bulblin and Bullbo got merged.
 * 4) Per Mario.

Comments
Wow, this is link heaven. I'd like to note that my poor article Bouncing Notes was turned into a redirect, along with a few other articles, as a result of this proposal here. Since these things haven't appeared since, I'm not sure anyone's opinion changed...

@Mario: Actually, the rolling Thwomp Ruins thing already has an article, although I have no idea why... -- 12:48, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That shouldn't be there, it was merged with the Thwomp Ruins article after the proposal I (and Mario now) have linked to.
 * Yeah, that's true. My proposal even called for merging that item, so I don't know why it was removed from the query in the proposals page. 15:15, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

@Mario Bouncing Notes are more alive than snowballs and rolling rocks. I mean they have faces and change expression when they jump. Maybe not the best comparison, but they're more alike to Thwomps in both identity and role. In that case, I feel them to be more notable than most hazards on race tracks.
 * I agree with Tails777. Andymii (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Well, what about mechanical piranha plants? They're not exactly still life either. Organic hazards are hazards. Going by your logic, the dinosaurs from Ancient Lake and Dino Dino Jungle need their own page. We have dinosaur, but I mean "Dinosaur (Ancient Lake)" and "Dinosaur (Dino Dino Jungle)". 22:43, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

@Mario How is a "minor stage hazard in a one-off course" less notable than a minor stage hazard in a one-off level or a one-off implied enemy? Binarystep (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Karamenbo falls in a similar category as Spike Pillar, so I think stage hazards from plaforming games have more leeway than stage hazards in race courses, maybe not. Karamenbo also has an official name, which is probably the only reason it's a separate article rather than being in Spike Pillar. Bouncing Note is derived from Prima Guide, so it's not exactly official, but I admit, it's close. But consider this other question: what about other hazards in race courses? Do they deserve articles too? The Piranha Plant from Dry Dry Desert (it's linked to Big Piranha Plant, but it looks drastically different from one, so I doubt it's a normal Big Piranha Plant)? The mechanical Piranha Plants in Waluigi Stadium? The dinosaur from Ancient Lake? It sounds like a lot of redundant articles that don't help with our coverage. 22:43, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Karamenbō supposedly has an official name. It's not sourced, and people make up foreign names all the time, usually by putting a phrase through Google Translate. I also don't think it's logical to have pages on anything, at all, ever if it's from a main series game, but completely disregard other series or act as if they're "less important" because they aren't platformers. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Prima guides considered official naming sources now? Binarystep (talk) 23:06, 9 April 2015 (EDT)