MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61

Make changes on Yoshi franchise articles
I want to support some changes on the Yoshi franchise articles. The article about the series of Yoshi platformers could be too excessive and could be deleted and merged into the article about the Yoshi's Island series to classify Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Balloon Trip, Yoshi Touch & Go, Yoshi's Island DS, and Yoshi's New Island as direct installments in the Yoshi's Island series and Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Demo, the Purple Yoshi tech demo, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, Yoshi's Woolly World, Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, and Yoshi's Crafted World as indirect games of the Yoshi's Island series. For example, Yoshi's Story's working title was Yoshi's Island 64, and the early logo looks similar to the SNES game Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island logo, implying that Yoshi's Story was originally planned as a sequel to said game and would have been a direct title in the Yoshi's Island series. Another example says that third-party company Game Informer calls Yoshi's Woolly World an indirect title in the Yoshi's Island series, stating that the game is "the best Yoshi's Island since the original Super Nintendo title". In addition to this change, the page about the Yoshi puzzle games could be moved to "Yoshi (series)". For example, Tetris Attack could be a spin-off of the Yoshi series of puzzle games.

Proposer: Deadline: January 7, 2023, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 14, 2023, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 21, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal

Oppose

 * 1) I think a better idea would be to just merge the Yoshi platform series article with the main Yoshi series article since the 'platform series' is so vaguely defined. Also, moving the puzzle series to 'Yoshi (series)' is a bad idea because that's easily confused with 'Yoshi (franchise)', and I'm not sure why you brought up GameInformer since they aren't an official source.
 * 2) Per Hewer and the comments.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per all.

Comments
This proposal really needs more options; primarily to be able to support one or the other rather than only all at once. 20:43, December 31, 2022 (EST)
 * I also doubt the proposal format is appropriate for this. 21:30, December 31, 2022 (EST)

You should probably have a project page to show how this would look if passed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:13, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Create Mario Kart course redirects with game prefixes for recurring track names
In case the title wasn't clear, I'm referring to making redirects like, , and. My argument for doing this is simple: I think it would be both useful and in line with our redirect policy.

For my first point: Series convention has people referring to these tracks this way even outside of official contexts, and people aren't going to take the time to think about whether a certain course came back before typing it into the search box. Heck, even I, whose editing hangout spots include not one but two lists of which courses appear in which games, find myself sooner typing "DS Bowser's Castle" into the search bar than "Bowser Castle (Mario Kart DS)", if only because one is shorter.

I do not believe these would be in violation of our redirect policy, as these names are neither silly (being an extension of series convention) nor ambiguous (there's only one course "Wii Mario Circuit" could be referring to). These are really the only criteria they need to meet, as the policy is otherwise very encouraging of redirects.

Now, my initial proposal was to do this for all unprefixed courses with recurring names, not counting MK8 or spinoffs since we don't know for sure what their prefixes would be. This results in this list:



It seems a bit excessive to me, but I realized while writing this that I may want to include an option to do this for every course (aside from MK8 and spinoffs), so I'm also including that as an option.

'DOUBLE EDIT: I've changed the second option to be what the edited-in third option was, since I didn't realize I was leaving Tour out when I first made it. I am sorry if this causes confusion.'

Proposer: Deadline: January 27, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Create the redirects listed above

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Second choice.

Create these redirects for every course (aside from MK8, Arcade GP, and Home Circuit)

 * 1) My listed reasons can apply, albeit more mildly, to all these courses; and as the redirect policy says, redirects don't cost anything.
 * 2) Per proposal, I'm surprised this wasn't already the case (also it's kind of already done with the non-city Tour courses here, here, and here, I would suggest extending this to Tour courses as well but since it's inevitable that they'll all be in the Booster Course Pass I guess that would just end up pointless in the long run ).
 * 3) While the idea of these technically not being official names still come to mind, I'm no doubt supportive of this, mainly cause I'm definitely one of those people who refers to pretty much every track with their system prefix beforehand, official or not. On another note, this could also just make it easier when these tracks inevitably do return, as the article contents can just be moved over to these redirects.
 * 4) Per Tails777
 * 5) per proposal however as i mentioned in my comment, this would be my secondary option if another choice including Tour courses is added.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) It makes sense, those redirects will eventually become the actual page names anyway (except maybe for the case of Mario Kart Tour whose non-city courses aren't consistently given the Tour prefix)
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Surprised it wasn't done before. Per all.

Comments
I would say "Create redirects for all unprefixed courses from MK7 or before", however I believe that Mario Kart Tour courses should be included in this list, so the page would redirect to Singapore Speedway's article. For now, i will vote the option i mentioned earlier, but if you create an extra option to include Tour courses, then i'd vote that one 19:28, January 21, 2023 (EST)
 * Like I said in my vote, the issue there is that they'll all inevitably come to the Booster Course Pass and be moved to those names anyway, so it would probably just end up being unnecessary extra work. 19:33, January 21, 2023 (EST)
 * that just means some courses will have prefix redirects, while some won't for up to 11 months, this, to me, is an "all or none" situation, if you're gonna do some, you might as well do them all. besides, creating a redirect, then transferring contents of another article to it isnt that much work, there's been more intense stuff done to their articles before. 19:41, January 21, 2023 (EST)
 * Admins can move pages over redirects, so one can just ask an admin to rename the pages when necessary. 15:12, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Ahemtoday, you can still change the second option to include tour courses, the rules state you can append proposals within the first three days of it being written. Im sure if the people voting for it care enough about the other games having the redirects, they'd agree to Tour courses too 12:02, January 22, 2023 (EST)

I'd rather have the prefixes removed from the course names that are unique (and keep them for those that have different iterations such as (character) Circuit or Rainbow Road courses, obviously) then make prefix redirects. I honestly dislike how Tour courses that got added to BCP have the prefix, but those that has yet to be added did not. — Stache (talk) 23:00, January 23, 2023 (EST)