Talk:Big Lantern Ghost

Split Big Lantern Ghost and Mega Kantera
Ok, this is different from Raphael the Raven and Giant Raven as these one are different eachother and unlike both the Giant Raven and Raphael the Raven, they have some differences eachother. The one from Paper Mario's Japanese name is Big Kantera-Kun while the one from Yoshi's New Island's Japanese name is Mega Kantera. There are physical differences too, as the one from Paper Mario has a bandage, is roughly the same size as the mettalic Lantern Ghost, and has a different Lantern.

Proposer: Deadline: November 21, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Seems strange that these were considered the same character in the first place.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) This seems like a similar scenario to Aqua Kuribō and Goomdiver; same concept, but they come from completely different series, have a rather large time gap in between their appearances, their Japanese names are different, and only one of them has a confirmed English name.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per 7feetunder. With cases like Big Boo, they were common enough already to be definitively based off of one another. This seems more like the Ice Snifit case from a while ago.
 * 7) Per all
 * 8) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) The only substantial difference between the two is that one is a boss and the other is an enemy; other than that, the Japanese isn't a great thing to look to in this case since the names for the differently-sized enemy variants are known to be inconsistent (case in point: Big Boo).

Comments

 * Yes Waluigi, for once, you support a proposal i make. -- 13:00, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * It would be rather clunky to leave them merged. -- 13:29, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * @Link, the Super Mario Manga Adventures text translated to he as shown in the article, while the enemy is it. -- 14:36, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Gender-specific third-person pronouns aren't required in Japanese; in fact, it's fairly rare and seems to be a relatively recent development. The English translation of Paper Mario does use "he" for the Big Lantern Ghost, but it was likely referred to with usual gender-neutral language in the Japanese text. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Ah, for your question "no one seemed interested in splitting" on Flamer Guys and Pyro Guys, i'm a little bit interested. -- 15:05, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * Ps: But not as much as splitting Big Lantern Ghost and Mega Kantera. -- 15:12, 7 November 2018 (EST)
 * And how did i forgot the TPP template, and proposer and deadline? Thanks Alex95 to have putted it. -- 13:42, 8 November 2018 (EST)
 * @7feetunder, i think the similarity between the two enemies you cited is quite coincidental, much like those Big Lantern Ghost. -- 02:36, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * @Link, well, it's different enough from Giant Raven and Raphael the Raven. -- 09:15, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * It's more different than that; in that in that case, they were in the same series and the latter-created one was clearly based off of the former. This is more like Ice Snifit. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:51, 9 November 2018 (EST)
 * @Schmeltwick, so i need to be fast enough to split both, right? -- 12:28, 10 November 2018 (EST)
 * I don't know what you mean. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)
 * See Huffin Puffin? Well, i splitted it, and i was the proposer. The Ice Snifit proposal got split by 7feetunder. -- 13:40, 10 November 2018 (EST)
 * Oh. Well it doesn't really matter who does it, as long as it gets done. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:41, 10 November 2018 (EST)
 * I don't see the problem if it's me or someone else who splits them. -- 10:22, 14 November 2018 (EST)
 * Regarding Flamer/Pyro Guy, I think it would be wise to at least wait until Yoshi's Crafted World possibly presents new information that might either support the earlier Ice Snifit split or vindicate keeping those and similar subjects (like the Spear Dancer/Guy from Paper Mario) together. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:55, 19 November 2018 (EST)
 * I think the name "Jungle Guy" is from Paper Mario. And in the Ice Snifit proposal, i saw you said that splitting both Ice Snifits would make us splitting Flamer Guys from Pyro Guys and Jungle Guys from Spear Guys. The Spear Guys in Paper Mario's appearance are slightly different from the main series. They lack the shield and white and red feathers on the spear much like a Dancing Spear Guy. The Japanese names between a normal Spear Guy and Dancing Spear Guy are unrelated, but what's the Yoshi's New Island internal filenames for both Spear Guy and Dancing Spear Guy? I will use dolphin emulator soon. And for your informations, Clawdaddies had a different design in Yoshi's Woolly World because it makes it appear to choose another pincher when it's ready to attack Yoshi. -- 06:46, 19 November 2018 (EST)
 * The Paper Mario Shy Guy is called "Spear Guy" in the battle text and Player's Guide (I'm not sure how "Jungle Guy" is sticking around uncited for so long). The Spear Guy in Paper Mario: Sticker Star also doesn't have a shield and neither does the version that was going to be in Super Paper Mario, so I think the only practical difference between these Spear Guys is that the Paper Mario version becomes a normal Shy Guy when it loses its spear. I'm not entirely sure an RPG behavior difference like that is worth splitting over. And since you're interested in the filenames, I see that Yoshi's New Island has references to heyho_yari for Spear Guy and heyho_yariyari for Dancing Spear Guy, while Paper Mario: Sticker Star has e_yariheiho and Super Paper Mario has e_heiho_y. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2018 (EST)
 * Then the Dancing Spear Guys are clearly intended to be related to the normal Spear Guy, except for the lack of shield, feather on the spear and color. The Paper Mario Spear Guys are related to Yoshi's Island Spear Guys. -- 03:57, 20 November 2018 (EST)
 * As I noted on their page, I think, the PM Spear Guys are likely the SMW2 ones with some Dancing Spear Guy traits mixed in. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:39, 20 November 2018 (EST)
 * What are the Paper Mario Pyro Guys's internal filenames? -- 10:43, 20 November 2018 (EST)