MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM"
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Music
Maybe we should have a section where you can hear the original music and how it has changed over the years to the more recent Mario style. This would require the music to play in Super Mario Wiki instead of just linking to it (like galbiana hotel or whatever it is). I know Wikipedia uses OGG for its music... Thoughts?
 * Ok, ok. The OGG was only a suggestion. I would personally prefer MP3 or WMA, the format doesnt matter.
 * Also, this proposal is now officially stating that the music would need to be activated (i.e. clicked on) in order to run. That way, people with slower computers would not get clogged on every page unless they wanted to hear the tunes.

Proposer: Macewindu Deadline::December 24, 2007, 17:00

Let's try it!

 * 1) Madhatter9max - See below.
 * 2) Macewindu - see below.
 * 3) G-Money 11:42, 18 December 2007 (EST) I don't have something to play .OOG files and when I try to install it, my computer freeses up!

No way!

 * 1) Walkazo - See below comment.
 * 2) I am in total agreement with Walkazo on this. First of all, not many people are able to upload .ogg files, so that poses as an issue. Galbadia Hotel is very reliable, as it is NOT mostly remixes. A lot of their music are ripped from official games or soundtracks, so we can link to that site. Now, VGMusic is the website that is all remixes. And, as Walkazo said, we don't want to alienate those with slow internet.
 * 3) Listening to how the music changed over the years/ That sounds complicated and useless, were an Encyclopedia!
 * 4) InfectedShroom.[[Image:infectoicon.png]] Per Everyone. OGG sucks, and playing them straight from the wiki would be slow and might not even work on some computers. Sure, I like my Video Game music, but no to the straight up files. And GH is EXTREMELY reliable.
 * 5) - Per all. It makes no sense for it to be on a MARIOWiki even if it is Mario music.
 * 6)  per Walkazo
 * 7)  per Walkazo

Comments
Don't forget to vote yourself, Macewindu. Anyway, being able to compare music through the ages does sound like a good idea, but we should stick with links out of the Wiki. It's just like with videos: people with slow computers may encounter difficulties with the extra features. The Wiki's for everyone, after all. - Walkazo

I'm supporting because you have to click on it for it to work or not so you know what you're in for. there's galbadia hotel but it's mostly remixes from what I've seen and also vgmusic.com as reliable sources for me. the songs show the depth and evolution of each game and are certainly a landmark to be included. I'm in support as long as each song doesn't try to start automatically.Madhatter9max 01:31, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Right on madhatter9max! I will only support it if each song doesnt try to start automatically. This would get kind of annoying (like how all the videos start on youtube every time a window is openned). Also, The format need not be OGG. I said that only because Wikipedia uses that. If we used MP3 or WMA, or both that would be much better. I currently have all Mario Party 7 gamerip music with me in one folder, so we wouldnt have to download EVERY SINGLE ONE from Galbadia. Macewindu 08:41, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Now that the former questions have been addressed, Pokemon DP and Walkazo, any other concerns or do you agree?

Two comments: a) GHotel isn't all remixes, some of them are correctly ripped, b) I am not certain if there is an extension to directly play files internally. 16:01, 18 December 2007 (EST)


 * ???-Um, Galbadia is entirely correctly ripped. I dont think there is any remixes. I was just saying that, instead of downloading them one by one...never mind. This part is trivial. We need to decide if the dumb thing is a good idea first.Macewindu 16:32, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Nope, you covered everything I didn't DP, but thanks for asking! - Walkazo
 * What? I didn't ask you anything. =|


 * No,no,no. I was asking if either of you have anything else against this or do you agree with it?Macewindu 07:03, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * Then you shouldn't've started a new paragraph after signing the first part of your comment. Since I couldn't tell it was still you talking and I knew I didn't write that, I figured it was the only other name in the message. I know DP uses a real signature here, but I was having and off-day and automatically ignored the irregularity of it all... - Walkazo

alrite everyone I was just saying Galbadia is mostly remixes from what I've seen I'm sure there are actual scores and everything I just wanted to post a possible disclaimer. also: who cres if it wastes too much time? theres enough people out there willing to upload songs so that it won't waste your time. even wikipedia has music samples on there. since we're more exclusive to Mario than they are why don't we put up more info? it's not pointless, there are plenty of people that randomly wonder what songs are what and this would make it much easier for them to find the song without having to download. Madhatter9max 23:58, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * I concur.Macewindu 10:16, 20 December 2007 (EST)
 * For what I seen. Galbadia is entirely official songs ('cept for the MIDI section, which link directly to Vgmusic) since all the musics are directly ripped from a promotional album, and even some times, from the actual game. On the other hand, VGmusic is entirely remix.

Blitzwing, I don't think the point about less powerful computers is really right, Wikipedia itself use sound samples in some of their articles, and I am sure they are as cautious as us when it come to low-tech computer.
 * How about an example of one of these pages? - Walkazo

Removals
None at the moment.

Merging Pumpkin Head with Goomba
Pumpkin Heads are absolutely proven to Goombas wearing Pumkins on their heads, so does this make them a new species altogether? No. Listen to the comment I wrote on its talk page over a week ago: ''Should this have its own article? Goombas have worn many things for protection, but wearing a pumpkin head doesn't make one a new species. Its like saying that Mario is another character when he doesn't wear his overalls. And I'm pretty sure Nintendo didn't give it an official name since it wasn't meant to be a new enemy altogether. If you will remember, there were also Goombas with helmets that can be killed almost the same way. I'm sure they wear pumpkins just to give to level a spooky feel.'' It doesn't even have an official name! But I'll leave it up to you guys to decide.

Merge Information

 * 14:51, 22 December 2007 (EST) My reasons are given above
 * 1) Blitzwing Per Knife.
 * 2) Walkazo - Per Knife.
 * 3) - Per Knife. The name isn't even official.
 * 4) If there's no name, then chances are Nintendo meant for them to be one and the same. (RHYMELOLZORZ)

Comments
This can also be applied to Mask Koopas. - Walkazo

Regulating Generic Articles
A rising number of articles lately have been based on generic items and I'm starting to think we need to control what generic articles are made and which one aren't. I'm mostly talking about articles in Category:Traps and Obstacles. For instance, there is one article named Raining Debris, which describes what they are, falling debris (I thought they were falling rocks). And there were past discussions about going the other way and adding information to game articles instead (like right here). Now I'm just confused and think we need to establish a regulation regarding articles on generic items. We could literally make an article on bricks and say "Bricks are items that have appeared in most Mario games. They affect gameplay by blocking Mario's progress. They can be found on most levels. Another brick item called Brick Blocks are also seen in many of Mario's travels." and etc.. As you can see, dealing with generic articles aren't so easy. They cause arguments like "Do they affect gameplay?", "Do they have official names?", and "Do they appear in many games?" to become moot. We could have hundred of articles about thinks that are similar to bricks (concrete, stones, metal, etc.). What makes a generic article worthy of being an article? I am now very confused, what should we do? 15:17, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Comments
Uh.... I am confused. You mean you want to regulate the number of articles relating to generic items such as Bricks, rock and co? As long as it's officially named, I don't see why we shouldn't allow those articles here. Blitzwing

How can generic items have official names? 15:50, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * "Generic Item" is kind of vague, ? Blocks are generics item, but we still have an article on these things.

Blitzwing


 * I meant items that you can find in the real world, not ? Blocks. An example would be Raining Debris, since it can be found in the real world as well. 10:45, 23 December 2007 (EST)
 * It doesn't really matter does it? Raining debris is found in the real world, but that's hardly a generic name. Your brick example is better, but there isn't a brick article (just one on brick blocks, which are valid objects in the Marioverse), so what are you complaining about? - Walkazo

Inactive Sysops
As you may know, some of our System Operators (I won't name anyone) are, how to say this politely... inactive. I think something should be done about that.

We have 14 sysops, some of which have been inactive for an extended period of time, this is ridiculous. Yes, you may respond that "But we have a life outside of the computer!", yes, but the problem is that these inactive sysops stopped editing without giving a warning. No message on the userpage, no post on the forum explaining the reasons for theirs inactivity, they just kind of.... dissapered.

What will be done with these sysops if the proposal pass? Well, my idea was that the inactive sysops would be depromoted to the lower ranking Pattroler, and if they don't get anymore active after their depromotion, have theirs administrative rights removed entirely. However, this isn't set in stone, if someone have a different opinion on how we should proceed and have strong arguments, I might change my thoughts. What to do (Along who will get the boot) should be discussed after the end of this proposal (If it pass, that's it).

Proposer:Blitzwing Deadline:December 29, 2007, 17:00

Do something about these inactive sysops

 * 1) Blitzwing - ... Duh.
 * 2) Uniju - Per Blitzie.
 * 3) - Per Blitzwing
 * 4) - I think its a good idea. I've already told Steve about this, but he never responded. But can you please list the inactive Sysops?
 * 5) - Per DP's reasons in the comments.

Let them be

 * 1) I don't see the point in desysopping anybody because of inactivity. What point would it serve? They may become active again in the future, you never know. -- 17:28, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * 2) I think the decision should stay by Steve (or other bureaucrats) (and Steve demoted inactive Sysops earlier). It just can't be right that Steve himself is inactive by any definition (which he basically is), but we get "punished" for not showing up for two weeks. Demote inactive yes, but not by strict rules. -  07:14, 23 December 2007 (EST)
 * 3)  – Bureaucrats have the final say on the privileges of users, and there should be no rules taking that right away from them and forcing a demotion, including for reasons of inactiveness.
 * 4)  per Wayoshi.

Comments
How do you define "active"? It's an issue. Someone just called me inactive because he hadn't seen me around for a few weeks. The problem was only that I went to bed earlier, and did the work in the afternoon. Just because I'm on Central European Time, I'm doing it while the North Americans are fast asleep. You might want to define "inactive" very carefully. - 12:58, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * By inactive, I mean that hasn't (Or barely, I don't think minor userpages or User talkpages edits should count) edited for at least two weeks. One month.

Blitzwing
 * I'd say too weeks is a too short timespan. Maybe a month. - 13:18, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hmmm, maybe you are right.

Blitzwing

KPH: The point is: I saw that when asked about promoting more users to /Patroller/Sysop rank, the bureaucrat often respond that we have enough sysop. By kicking out the inactive sysops, perhap the 'crat will realize than there isn't actually that much of active administrative staff. Beside, the inactive sysops don't totaly lose powers if this proposal pass, they simply revert to Patroller rank, and they still have powers.

(Beside, I alway found ridiculous that we have 14 sysops and only two patrollers. Wouldn't it be more logical to have more patrollers than sysops?)

Blitzwing

Well, all the patrollers have been promoted.
 * No, Plumber and Booster are mere patrollers, not sysops.

Blitzwing

KPH: There is a simple solution to that. Remember when Son of Suns and Paper Jorge went inactive? They were demoted, but when they both came back, they got re-promoted instantly. So, you see, this can easily be countered. ;)

Cobold: Steve may not be the most active of the users, but he have never be absent for an extended period of time (Check his edits log) and occasionaly show up in the chat and forum. However, some of the more inactive sysops haven't edited for over a months and have yet to show up in the chat of forums.

(Beside, Steve is still the creator of the wiki, depromoting him would be kind of... wrong) Blitzwing
 * Forum and Chat have no influence on any decision on the Wiki. (Except for spam, flaming etc.) And I wasn't asking to demote Steve. - 08:14, 23 December 2007 (EST)
 * Well, you said that Steve is inactive, and since the goal of this proposal is to demote any inactive adminisitrator, I kind of thought you were saying we could demote Steve using this process. Beside, the chat and the forum have at least some influence over the wiki (Well, especially the forum), if no, how come there is a sysop-only board on the forum?

Blitzwing
 * Steve was on yesterday... Anyway, I think we should clear up how inactive Sysops will be singled out now. Also, before anyone gets the boot they should be contacted and questioned about their disappearance/warned about their impending demotion, that way they'll get a chance to explain their absences and either fix their ways or at least leave with dignity. - Walkazo

When Blitz first mentioned the idea of deoping inactive sysops to me, I initially agreed. However, Wayoshi has a good point. I've seen first hand what happens when too much deciding power is given to the users in management matters. Besides, as is, only two users meet the (loosely stated) criteria for 'inactive'. -- Chris 01:24, 24 December 2007 (EST)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.