Talk:Mario/Archive 1

DDRMM
Should DDRMM be in the other spin-offs section?
 * Yeh.

No, it a canonical adventure. 23:21, 19 February 2007 (EST)


 * Agreed, spin-offs should be strict sports games, kart games and party games which don't have real plots. Now I know some of these technically do have plots, but in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix the plot is a huge part of the game, while for a game like say, Mario Party 6, the plot is more like an added feature while the party aspect is the real flesh of the game. Even sidescrollers have plot injected in the main game, i.e. the only "point" of the game is to save Peach, while party games are there to make you party.
 * Now, my real problems on this whole spin-off issue are Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine. Sure most people look down on these games, but that doesn't mean they're spin-offs: they're plot-driven, not some sport/kart racing/party games, and they shouldn't be included there but in the main timeline. Same with Hotel Mario. - Walkazo

Cameos
Tetris

Qix

Pinball

Punch-Out

Golf

And lots of other games, too http://www.smbhq.com/cameos.htm Should it be in the article? H K
 * I don't see why not. Make a list of the Cameos right above the external links and then link to the other cameos this way: here . Wayoshi 12:53, 19 July 2006 (EDT)

Okay. its on my todo list. H K

Mario Superstar Baseball stats.
Batting:7 Pitching:7 Fielding:7 Running:6 --User:PeteyPiranhaLover

His stats don't really matter. His bio does, though.Waluigi Freak 99 19:07, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Picture
Can somebody find another 3-D Pic? The picture just seems to similiar to the one on Wikipedia.

Done.
 * He meant the very top picture is exactly the same as Wikipedia. I have a Smash Bros. Brawl render to upload right now. 06:38, 22 November 2006 (EST)

VERY Humble Beginnings
The "Humble Beginnings" section of this article needs work. Not only does it contain bad grammar, but unofficial snippets as well, such as "His pet monkey, Donkey Kong (the currently known senior Cranky Kong) was apparently abused by Mario (Jumpman). In revenge he kidnapped his girlfriend Pauline and climbed building he was constructing." Is this official? Even if it is, it needs work.

Well... it was stated so in the instruction manual.

Headlines
I think that Mario Party series does pretty well as a subheadline to "Other Spin-Offs", as all other games/series listed there do. Why do you change my edits back? --Cobold 13:14, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Brooklyn?
Why couldn't Mario be from Brooklyn?


 * Okay. I just changed the article with all available sources. According to SMW2 (the game and instruction manual), Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom. However, the Official Super Mario 64 Player's Guide (a very low-level canon source) calls Mario a Brooklynite. When these sources are combined, this means that Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, but must have spent some of his life in Brooklyn. As far as this wiki knows, the game Donkey Kong does not take place in Brooklyn. The most canon source is Donkey Kong Land, which indicates that Donkey Kong took place in Big Ape City, an urban region of Donkey Kong Island. Also, this wiki has not found any source to indicate where Mario Bros. takes place. All we know is that is in the sewers. -- Son of Suns


 * I like to think of "Brooklyn" as another name for Big Ape City, or maybe some part of it (like Earth's Brooklyn is for New York). To me, this fits everything together and makes more sence than Mario and Luigi being from our planet's Brooklyn (did anything even specify it's Brooklyn, New York?). I know it's not exactly canocal, but I just thought I'd put it out there. - Walkazo

Donkey Kong Image
Why was that image I added from Donkey Kong changed back? The orignal was low quality. I put in hours of work into that other, background free image. What's the point in changing it back? - Hyper Mushroom


 * The new one is very low quality and an unofficial fan image. Background is good. -- Son of Suns


 * Unofficial?! That was on the cover of billions of ports of that game! See for yourself! If we're just removing images because of quality someone had better sort out that image of the Mario Bros. from Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. And BACKGROUND?! What's so good about background? - Hyper Mushroom


 * Did you make the image? All the other images look slightly different. Anyways, the current pic is better; it looks like a person, not a scribbly character. Background establishes setting - I wish Nintendo put characters in a setting more often. The SS image is fine - it is an official image released by Nintendo. -- Son of Suns




 * C'mon! you can see the lack of quality from a mile off! This is the one I removed the background from (It may look a little bad because I couldn't tell what was the background an what was the outline) and again, it took me HOURS. The only reason it looks scribbly is because he's ducking under a barrel, making him look short and wobbly, but of course that isn't how he REALLY looks. I could always get the same thing with the background so... Oh. That would mean there were no difference between the two. BUT THE ORIGINAL IS SMALL! - Hyper Mushroom


 * Ooof... you need to get a program to help you with that. Microsoft PhotoDraw is what I use.  MS Paint is too finicky. :) --Stumpers

Parent
Mario is the Yoshi Kid's adopted parent, right?
 * Why do you ask? - Hyper Mushroom
 * Because if that's the case, Mario should get in major trouble for abandoning the kid to fight in the Glitz Pit after PM:TTYD was over! - Walkazo (in case you didn't notice, that was a joke).

Surname
I understand that the Mario Bros. movie established their surname as "Mario", but the movie isn't considered canon. Is there a canon source which backs this up? (and, if so, what?) -Chinju 19:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Found one! The baby Mario trophy in SSBM:

"The stork delivers two babies to the MARIO household. -Hyper Mushroom

M&L:PiT
Hey, guys. I noticed that there's no reference to the Shroob invation of M&L:PiT in the Early Life section. It is my opinion that regardless of your theory of time travel (that all changes to the past happened before you traveled or that you can change the past), in the present time Mario & Luigi have helped their older selves defeat the Shroobs. Therefore, I would put a paragraph in the Early Life section about it. Please respond. If you want this done, I could put it together for you. --Stumpers


 * The Early Life section should only be about Baby Mario. Of course, the Shroob invasion should be mentioned, and that Baby Mario met his future self. However, there should be a fuller section in the middle of the biography, stating that the present Mario went back in time to help his past self. The Biographhy section should be written in term's of Mario's life - he fought the Shroobs as a baby, grew up, then went back in time and fought the Shroobs as an adult with his baby self. -- Son of Suns

That was... weid. Wouldn't they know how to beat them if... but wait... huh? Max2 curse time travel.


 * The babies didn't really remember.

Wrong Again Blocky Boo... Angry Sun 23:51, 4 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Why is he wrong? Do you remeber abything as a baby? My earliest memories are flashes from when I was hospitalized at age 4. Mind you, the only reason I can remember anything is 'cause it was a traumatic experience, and even then I'm pretty sure the images I "remember" aren't actaully what I went through but skewed images my brain has slapped on my actual degraded memories based on what people've told me about the whole thing afterwards. Long story short, it makes perfect sense that the adult Mario Bors. wouldn't remember the Shroob incident from when they were babies. - Walkazo

SPM Info
Could somebody please put info on Mario in SPM

I don't think you're supposed to ask other people to put in information. I  am   Confused  21:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Royalty?
how is he royalty?

Well, I think he was referred to as royalty in a cartoon and he did have his own castle in SML2. But he was never actually proclaimed as a king or a prince, so I'm not sure. 14:40, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure he was crowned as the ruler of a few places in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, but I don't think he ever kept the title. -- Sir Grodus


 * He was never called king or prince even thought he was ruler of Mario Land. Also like Grodus said he was kinged a few times, mostly in Rap Land because in Rap Land it NEVER shows him being unkinged. Click here to see the universe. SuperLuigi821 Oh you let the hat out of the bag, Big Top!

Plus the show isn't really part of the main storyline. User:Pal101

No edited sections?
How come I can't edit sections on this page? On this huge page, section editing is very important to editors. 22:27, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Similar Pics
Look at the pictures from the Land of Darkness section and the Flipped section. They're practically the same except that one of them has Tippi in it. One of these pictures does not belong to that appropriate game.

Olympics
Um, for some reason, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, is redirecting to Mario's page.

Last Name
I heard about "Mario Mario" as a full name, but says Nintendo has said neither Mario or Luigi have last names. Confirmation? 21:34, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

I remember seeing this old interview on YouTube with Nintendo of America, back in the early days of Mario. The guy they interviewed said Mario and Luigi didn't have last names. -- Sir Grodus


 * Confirmation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGFRi_ueq-M ♥♪!? 21:39, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
 * 1988 LOL, ok :P 21:41, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

But... they are the Mario Brothers! The interviwed lies!

User: Mr.Game and Watch

There's more proof up in the Surname section. - Walkazo

What happens?
With the Human and Smash Bros Tables?
 * Are you refering to and ? They are in the scroll box at the bottom of the page, you have to scroll inside the box to see them. -  14:39, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Latest Appearance
Wouldn't Mario's latest appearance be Mario Strikers Charged?

I dunno because there's an flame war going on right now.

Mario Strikers Charged was released to the world before Itadaki Street DS was. -- Son of Suns

Biography order
The current order of the biography sections is:

According to Chronology, SML2 has been set right after SML, because it is the direct sequel. Also, M&L: PiT has been set after M&L: SS. However, I don't think Partners in Time counts as a sequel, afaik it is a completely unrelated story with merely the same control system. Fawful doesn't change it. If it would, then PM:TTYD would be the direct sequel to PM (because of Bow). Also, I'm spektical about Mario vs DK 2 and Wrecking Crew '98. Do they belong where they are? Lastly, I think Mario Pinball Land and DDR: Mario Mix should be moved to the Spinoff section. - 10:35, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Too many freakin' pictures.
Seriously, I think there's more pictures than words in this article. (okay, not really) But anyway, we better decide on what pictures should be deleted. I already deleted the MPDS one because it overlapped the SSB infobox.
 * Just move them to the screenshots section. ;)
 * <_< >_> That'll work.

Go ahead and delete the images then. I won't stop you and besides there are rarely anything to do here anyway.(Super F22 Pilot 01:42, 20 November 2007 (EST))

pix
I saw this picture in Mario bio!!! is this vandalism!! (sorry if i spelled it wrong) I think the user peter-o posted this!!! (I checked the history.) Princess Butterfly 19:48, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * Its vandalism. Bye bye, Image! >:D

Toys
I heard of action figures and toys of Mario.(Super F22 Pilot 05:06, 11 January 2008 (EST))
 * You'll probably find them in the Merchandise section... you can find a link on the main page. 19:12, 31 January 2008 (EST)

vadalism
You know how Mario's page always gets vadalism. I think there a way to stop users from causing vadal. I think it by blocking the edit page for a while. Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:57, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * You can block new users from editing (like one who created an account two minutes ago for the purpose of spamming and leaving). This worked pretty well on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl article, btw.  Nice to see you again, Ms. Grapes!  02:40, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Really I thought that only Sysop can block the users. Princess Grapes Butterfly 18:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, I meant the general you. You're right: only sysops can do it.  PaperJorge blocked the Brawl article I think, so you could ask him.  23:48, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Maybe we should auto-block this too (block it from new users). 19:34, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah many new users start trouble. If you auto-blocked the most page that get the most vandal. That way you have more time to catch the user that vandal. Princess Grapes Butterfly 15:50, 31 January 2008 (EST)

Vandalism?
There are a lot of freaky quotes that claim to be from E3, are those vandalism or real? -

The Sony one needs clarification. His nose grew after he said it. That should be noted, otherwise the quote is out of context. ChozoBoy 00:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Hmmm I was wondering 'bout that "THEY" should at least post a source of proof that those quotes are true. Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Mixed culture
Since Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom wouldn't that make him part toad? (This is all confusing I blame the Nintendo works who mess up his LIFE! His culture!)Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * Nope. Just because someone was born somewhere doesn't necessary mean they are something. Err, what I mean is that if a Koopa was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, would that make him part Toad? Or how about Monty Mole? ...I really don't think so. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif


 * Princess: the deal with Peach is that one of her relatives was a Toad, so she is part Toad. However, we know Mario and Luigi's Parents are both human.  This doesn't rule out the possibility that Mario is part Toad, but we have no indication that he is not 100% human.  21:22, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Oh really? I wasn't sure if he was part toad it seem like his is since he and Luigi was born in the mushroom kingdom so it makes it sound like was part toad. (I still blame the lazy works of Nintendo who screwed up his bio.)Princess Grapes Butterfly 11:52, 20 February 2008 (EST) Hey at least we know his not 100% human


 * I'm not even sure if we know that! :O We need more information on his back story. 16:18, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Half a page!
I was editing the pages I notice the ref thing was there I click on it so it took me to the bottom of the page I notice that the user whom mage this spelled something wrong so I went to remove the ref thing I click save and the I notic ethat half the page was missing! Did I do something wrong?!?! (P.S I was go to tell the user who made the ref to change the level to Baby Mario and Baby Peach... Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:38, 22 February 2008 (EST) Thank the stars I thouhgt I made a HUGE mistake. (Yeah I know you can put babies but the level'S name is in red because it  spelled wrong


 * You forgot to close the   tags, so the software considered the bottom half of the page to be part of your reference. Nothing serious, just a   missing. - 19:45, 22 February 2008 (EST)


 * Also the refernece thing is real... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
 * Sounds like a misunderstanding. Instead of saying "Baby Mario and Baby Peach", you can say "Bab ies Mario and Peach", which means that they are both babies. - 19:48, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, don't worry, mistakes like this can happen, nothing too big. Just be glad you aren't a Sysop. The mistakes you can make as a Sysop are far worse...

Really? Yikes!Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:05, 22 February 2008 (EST) Thank for telling me. Really
 * No need to worry. Everything done wrong can be restored. Everything except deleted images. But you can't delete images, so you can't harm any wiki content at all. ;) - 20:06, 22 February 2008 (EST)

U-G-L-Y
Doesn't anyone see how cramped and ugly this page is? Specifically in the sports section? I don't know who is actually running their PC on a low enough resolution for everything to be spaced out, but if you haven't checked, YOUR PC LOOKS WAAAY better in a high resolution! I know that I fixed this page up once before, and I don't know who was noobish enough to revert basically everything I did, but you made a mistake. You guys need to stop being chumps and learn how to improve on a page's appearance! Also, nothing I have said is meant to be taken as offensive so please don't cry wolf for me using name calling, ok? Grow up people. Fixitup
 * Your not impressing anyone, Fixit. You could've been a bit more polite with your "lecture". Everyone (except trolls and vandals) means well on this Wiki, its not their fault if they "mess up the page" in your eyes. Stop being a complete lazy jerk, and do something about the pages "ugly" look!
 * What are you, insane?! I just explained that I had done something about the page, and someone changed it. YOU are the one being a "lazy jerk"! I have done far more things that people are too lazy to do on this wiki than someone like you has! I just worked on this page before even posting that even! You are just so determined to defend yourself on something, that you didn't even pay attention to what I said! How about before you call me a "lazy jerk", you check to see what has just happened! What is up with YOU and always misinterpreting a situation? OH, and talking about being "polite", I didn't call you anything that you didn't just call me, "LAZY JERK"! Fixitup
 * YO! You both need to calm down.  Fixitup, PokemonDP, you're both great users.  Fixitup: it's true, you need to bring down the offensive language and use a more positive tone.  And DP, you're too good to be name calling. :( So, the page is messed up, or someone reverted an edit, or whatever.  Fixitup, check who undid your edit, and if they aren't a sysop or whatever, you can always undo their edits.  If they are, take it up with them on their talk page.  17:01, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * What is the reason for you shouting at as? Did we do something bad? Of course some pages get minor attention on the wiki. But editing is never a must. You can blame no user for not editing. Noone seeked a fight with you, there is no reason for you to provoke one. - 17:05, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm sorry Cobold, but you are not making any sense. Maybe it's your grammar, but I can't understand what you are saying. Doesn't make any sense. Fixitup
 * Strange, to me it makes perfect sense. You just came by and shouted at us, for no reason whatsoever. It's cool that you seem to know everything about page layout and stuff, while "the rest of us" are noobish chumps. But have you ever thought about letting us partake in your great knowledge? I agree with you that "lazy jerk" is not an appropriate term for you, but otherwise Pokemon DP is absolutely right. If you think you're the only one able to make a proper article (which would be really, really poor, in my opinion), you should make your own website about Mario instead of taking part in a wiki. By the way, saying that your statement is not meant to be taken as offensive doesn't make it any less offensive, actually. 07:05, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah sure, because you're so awesome right? I don't see why everyone responding to this is taking it as me attacking anyone involved. Obviously, the people that reverted my edits are who I'm referring to. And as for the fact it happened so long ago, it would take me forever to find out who it was, it's quite useless to say something like, "Hey, whoever reverted my edits is dumb". Whatever though. I didn't say that only I could edit this article, but it's obvious that 'SOME PEOPLE' shouldn't be working on articles here. You, just like DP, have misinterpreted my argument, as I explained. And acting like you are the positive side of an argument, which you obviously didn't understand, doesn't make you right. I've dealt with people like you before, so I expect you to reply with something that you would think makes you clever like, "OK, explain your argument then". Then I'll say, "Wow, I just did, and you still don't get it?". Am I right? That's what would've happened right? Sure, yeah I'm perfect, I can't be wrong, I'm right about everything? That's what you're thinking isn't it? Like I said, I wasn't trying to call out everybody who works on this page, I was (what I thought was obvious) trying to make a point that- you know what let me start from here. I don't know about everyone else, but I use a high resolution for my PC screen. Therefore, I see everything on the wikis in a certain way. And regardless of what the popular opinion may be, these pages look better in a high resolution. Do you notice the sports section on this page? How everything is all cramped/misplaced/just wrong? I fixed that up, and someone decided that I made a mistake. I don't know who, and I don't know the real reason why. I dunno though, maybe there should be a notice that these pages are best viewed in a high resolution. Whatever, the thing is there was a proposal recently. It was complaining about how (why should the Daisy and Waluigi articles have good external information but not blah blah blah) and then I go to work on the page to fix that, and someone reverts my hard work? Whatever, I guess I'm just a "lazy jerk" who complains but doesn't do anything, right? WHATEVERRR-- Fixitup 14:20, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sir, calm down. No one wanted a fight with you, only you seem to want to throw insults at us. No one was complaining, and you're not making us complaining by saying we would. Stop this pointless argueing with no partner to argue with. - 14:30, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, you didn't even consult the positives of what I just said. Did you even read it? Fixitup 16:22, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Your problem is with the edit reverter, not everyone on the Wiki. Just check history, talk to the person, and be done with it.  16:29, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ok Stumpers, you know I get along with you, but you totally blew off what I said. I already addressed that. Fixitup 17:36, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Consistency
I'm not sure how much everyone knows about the TV series, so I'll give you a run-down:

The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! places itself before and after the events of Super Mario Bros. (live action is before, animation after... check out the intro and episodes with the backstory). I'm not sure where the other two shows place themselves, but that's irrelevent to what I'm saying right now. Basically, the Super Show fills the gap in Mario and Luigi's lives between Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Mario Bros./Super Mario Bros. depending on where you place Mario Bros. in the continuity. But... our policy (that of the Wiki's, not Nintendo) has been to separate the D.i.C. show because it is "alternate canon," a term which I have been unable to find the origin of.

Basically, the logic goes that the Super Show cannot be part of the same storyline of the video games not because of inconsistencies, but because it is an alternate form of media. Yet, if I'm not mistaken, we aren't allowed to include "point of view" in our articles, including our own views and speculation on events in the Marioverse. Which means that we shouldn't be allowed to exclude OR include two forms of any medium that are not expressely connected. But... that ruins everything in the biography section of this page. Basically, if you guys follow my logic, to say that the Super Show isn't in the original Super Mario Bros. continuity is as much a point of view as saying that it, or any of the video games, is in the Super Mario Bros. continuity!

So, we've got an inconsistency that can't be doctored by anyone on the Wiki. It's an issue that Nintendo will have to speak about before we have a solution. So, in the meantime, what do we do? We have to be consistent. Two options. First, we don't make any assumptions. We could disconnect all video games, TV shows, movies, comics, etc. from each other, meaning that even Super Mario Galaxy wouldn't be linked to Super Mario Sunshine for example. The second option is that we assume that everything that doesn't set itself apart is in the same continuity. In other words, Super Mario Galaxy is linked to Super Mario Galaxy and the Super Show, but not to the movie, the anime, or Super Smash Bros.

I'm trying to keep my point of view out of this matter as much as possible, so please bear with me. My goal here is consistency. Please let me know what you think we can do about this. 23:31, 5 March 2008 (EST)