MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * 3D World Toad is or isn't Toad. (Discuss) Deadline: June 16, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Mario's Tennis is or isn't part of the Mario Tennis series. (Discuss) Deadline: June 19, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Merge Piranhacus Giganticus with Big Piranha Plant. (Discuss) Deadline: June 21, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Are enemies different from yarn enemies? (Discuss) Deadline: June 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Split Mario & Luigi Bros. Move from Mini Mario. (Discuss) Deadline: June 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Create a separate colour for joke proposals (Discuss) Deadline: June 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

Allow an E3 page
Recently I created a page for the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) [You can view a backup of the page here], which had a brief background on what E3 is and Nintendo's role in it. It then went on to list Nintendo hardware and Mario-related software that had been announced or covered by Nintendo at E3 each year (up to 2004, when I stopped to create this proposal). I was then going to go bak and add a short paragraph overviewing Nintendo's press conference (or Direct) and what demos were available. However, A delete tag was placed on it with the reason: "We don't cover this." However, this wiki does cover it because I was only talking about Nintendo's consoles (all of which are on this wiki) and Mario-related games (which are obviously on this wiki). I dod not mention any other companies or developers, or any games that were not strictly from the Mario Universe. According to this wiki's coverage policy (see here), there is no statement or even suggestion forbidding this page (or page similar to this) to be created. A page for E3 should be allowed to be created, as it would only cover the Mario series and Nintendo, and there is no policy forbidding it.

Proposer: Deadline: June 16, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I think it's okay but we can maybe call it ??
 * 3) I don't see why not. After all, we have a page for Nintendo, which is just as Mario-related, and (possibly more accurately) the Wii U and 3DS.
 * 4) I think it should. After all, I started creating pages for the E3s themself. This, we shouldn't:

Oppose

 * 1) Coverage says Mario related media, I don't see E3 as Mario related just because it has Mario games. Now my mine problem with this is reasoning for having this page. Only reason I can see us thinking to cover this is because it has Mario related media in it, so do demos. We're not going to be creating an article on every single demo that has featured a Mario game. And also why only E3? Games can be announced through a Nintendo Direct, something not covered by the wiki. They can also be announced through other gaming conferences, and possibly even interviews, and creating an article on an interview seems illogical. Also, as aforementioned, what about the other gaming conferences, and even arguably VGX (considering Cranky Kong was announced as a playable character for Tropical Freeze and this arguably gives some relevance to it)? Personally I think it'd be better to put this in either the glossary, a subsection on Nintendo's page, or create a page on major videogame conferences, but creating a page solely on E3 I don't think is a good idea.
 * 2) Per Yoshi876. (Yes, I read everything word for word.)
 * 3) Per Yoshi. Maybe all conferences combined would get a page, but E3 getting one alone is ridiculous.
 * 4) Per Yoshi and standard practices. We've always added games as they are announced and listed "announced at E3" or some such, but creating an entire page to cover something we already do is a waste of resources.
 * 5) Per everyone.
 * 6) Per everyone.
 * 7) Per Ghost Jam.
 * 8) Per Yoshi876 and Ghost Jam.

Comments
@Yoshi876: However, this article is only talking about the Mario-related aspect of the conference. If we did decide to create a page for VGX, then it would only cover Mario-related things (which would be Cranky Kong). For your second point, I am actually working on a Nintendo Direct page, which will be on this wiki soon, so we will cover that. And on your last point, I would not be opposed at all to creating a page on Video Game Conferences, and if you think that woud be the best course of action I would be happy to do so. 11:26, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't think we should cover Nintendo Directs just like I don't think E3 should be given that coverage. As my main stands, the reasoning for the creation is weak, "It's related to Mario", so are demo events at game stores, so are game stores that sell those games, those would not get article so I don't see why this should. Personally I think the best course of action may be a page for major gaming conferences, and if not mentioning E3 in the glossary and Nintendo Directs getting a sub-section on the Nintendo page.
 * Since the page will not be deleted until this proposal passes, should I go ahead and move it to a page entitled Video Game Conferences or wait? 11:33, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Seeing as it's not on coverage policy, like I said in my oppose, it's already open to deletion. I'd wait until the end of proposal and if it does pass move it to something like "List of major videogame conferences".

Aren't ESRB, CERO, ACB, USK, DEJUS, PEGI the same deal?-- 18:09, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
 * All Mario games have some sort of rating and having a page here to explain the rating is fine. That's my opinion. 18:12, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I know but possibly a "List of games by rating" would suit it better.-- 18:13, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Possibly but I have no strong opinion on this. 18:21, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Either way, I feel these are kinda related. Both are media-related, that Mario series has some information regarding it. I don't have an opinion on the proposal itself one way or another .-- 18:52, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

Rumors Section
I believe that we should have a rumors section on articles that include rumors. This section could have a notice in it, stating that all it contains are rumors and have no proof. Some of the more popular rumors (like the DLC characters in Mario Kart 8, or the E3 "leak" in SSB4) could be added. A similar section is used on Zelda Wiki, for theories. The rumors section would allow people to see what may be in the game. While it may not be very encyclopedia-ish, it would be more helpful, which is indeed what MarioWiki is designed to be, right? I doubt I'll win this but you never know unless you try. So yeah.

Proposer: Deadline: June 20, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal. I think it would be useful to know what may or may not be in the game.

Oppose

 * 1) We document on what's confirmed, not on widely circulated unconfirmed, unofficial information. According to the Citation Policy, "Rumours and misleading info is commonplace online, so showing readers that we are not fabricating our info and in turn, letting them evaluate the trustworthiness of our sources is especially important." This policy is there to leave out rumors and keep us as a reputable source. We don't want people taking rumors as true just because they're documented here. Finally, there are countless rumors regarding upcoming games, so having to document all of them is going to be impossible. The only type of rumors that may be covered here are those debunked years ago, and even then, it's a maybe.  I see that you're trying to make sections that already inform the reader that the information is dubious, but why add such information in the first place? I don't really agree with fan "theories" on Link Wiki either, but that's another wiki anyway. Anyhow, the best place to discuss rumors would be the appropriate talk page, so really, nothing is lost if this proposal fails; there's just an equally-valid outlet to put rumors and other information.
 * 2) The internet is a chock full place of rumors. Look at Reddit and 4chan, they're basically "Rumors: The Site". We're not gonna site all rumors, and these are as valid as fan content such as fan games, no matter how popular or how well-documented they are. Well-known rumors like the Sonic and Tails April Fools joke in Super Smash Bros. Melee are more suited for Trivia sections. Also, per Mario.
 * 3) Per both. Though I worry that discussing rumours on the talkpage may qualify as forum talk.
 * 4) Per All.
 * 5) If we had a rumours section, Ridley would be all over the SSB4 page and this would the Fanrio Wiki.
 * 6) Simply allowing rumors to be added may allow people to see what may be in the game as you've said. However, it doubts their mind on if we are really covering things from the game or from randomness. Encyclopedias only contains facts, so that they can be trusted. And as what LGM said, our Citation Policy already shows why rumors are not allowed. The Good Writing disallow speculation, which is the rumors are part of. And I agree with Yoshi876.
 * 7) Sorry, but the wiki covers real and comfirmed things, like an encyclopedia. But I guess everyone else is saying that too, huh?
 * 8) Per policy. However, if you feel that a particular rumor might be useful for a particular article and can make a good case for it, feel free to hit up that articles talk page.
 * 9) Nope... in this way we can add any fan-made information and this wiki will be a fanon (or at least in part).

Comments
@Yoshi876, it's not really forum talk, imo. We're talking about improving the article, so bringing up rumors and stuff can help us verify and filter information before it's added. We did allow some Mario Kart 8-related rumors on its talk page, usually the well-circulated ones, so we shouldn't remove those. Forum talk isn't really finely defined, so use your own judgement to see if it pertains to the article or not. 16:52, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

Although I expected this to go rather poorly (as mentioned in my proposal), it appears (at least to me) that you think I'm suggesting putting rumors all over the page (like, in the characters section for SSB4 put Ridley as a rumored character). I was thinking rumors would be limited to just a single section (or possibly a page in a similar vein to SmashWiki). These rumors would make no other appearances on the site (except talk pages). Peanutjon (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Even if it's confined to a single page, it's still opening the floodgates for kiddies to trip themselves over to add low-quality content and obvious nonsense like ~leaked conference listing sheets~ photographed at an odd angle or w/e. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2014 (EDT).

Delete the age-rating companies articles
This has been on my mind for quite a good time. The age-rating companies (I'm referring to ESRB, CERO, ACB, USK, DEJUS, PEGI) are pages that includes information about seriously nothing related to the Marioverse itself, the first also includes some worthless trivia, and overly big tables including rating that the Mario series games fall only in one or two of them by the maximum. Of course, I only propose deleting the page, the rating will be kept in the infobox of the games. Just the links will be changed to wikipedia's. The pages should be eliminated, they do not serve the wiki's purpose other than filling some links, which can be filled by Wikiedia's links. It includes much more information than us on that specific subject anyway.

The page do not provide lists of games with those rating, I guess It doesn't matter since we can look into Rating Image's usage to check this up.. Anyway, I'm thinking about creating a category for each rating, hadn't sorted my mind yet, but that's not what the proposal is about.

Bottom line: It's a media/related page that do not include much needed information, burn it.

Proposer: Deadline: June 23, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) they're about as relevant to Mario as retail outlets and trade shows.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) They won't be missed. Nobody is sane enough to go to a MarioWiki to research ESRB ratings
 * 4) Per all. Agree with the idea of a category. Maybe link the ratings off to relevant sites for more information.
 * 5) Why does it exist in the first place?
 * 6) Per all.
 * 1) Per all.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.