MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/47

Merge Redundant Paper Mario Items
There are several items from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door which are clearly intended to return in Super Paper Mario, but have different pages due to having different English names. Considering that they look identical and usually have the same name in every country except the US, they should probably be merged as per the precedent set by more proposals than I can count. As for the items having slightly different effects between games, that happens all the time.

Here's a list of the proposed changes:


 * Koopa Bun would be merged with Koopa Dumpling
 * Mango Delight would be merged with Mango Pudding
 * Mousse Cake would be merged with Mousse
 * Omelette Meal would be merged with Omelette Plate
 * Shroom Roast would be merged with Roast Shroom Dish
 * Spaghetti would be merged with Spaghetti Plate

If there are any I missed, let me know.

Proposer: Deadline: April 5, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I would question whether or not this proposal is necessary, but either way it would be nice to have a single proposal to point towards should the issue ever come up again.
 * 3) I am wondering about whether it should be a proposal. Either way, Spaghetti and Spaghetti Plate are the only ones mentioned that actually have a big noticeable difference. Besides that, Roast Shroom is slightly different texture from Shroom Roast. That said, I am not 100% sure if we should merge Spaghetti and Spaghetti Plate, but I am 100% ok with the others merging.
 * 4) If they have similar attributes, then a merge is totally acceptable. It's possible name changes can occur over time, after all.
 * 5) Almost all of them look very similar to each other, and, since multiple proposals that are very similar to this have been made before, I support these merges. The only one that I am not 100% sure about is Spaghetti and Spaghetti Plate, since they have big differences in their appearance.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all. Besides, we have Duel Glove, Ztar, and Fluffin' Puffin as notable precedents. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean by clicking the links.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) Per all.

Allow users to make a user subpage for 'Shroom sections
I made a proposal that would allow users to make a sub page filled with all of their 'Shroom sections. (See the proposal archives) Only I voted so it was 'NO QUORUM'. I am asking for more users to vote, not just me.

In the page, users would copy their section from an issue of The 'Shroom and paste it onto their page (unless if there is a way to translude it). Users can choose what sections to put in it. They can put either all of their sections, their favourite ones, or have one section and replace it each time they write for The 'Shroom. Users can slo choose to link sections if they want to.

This would make it easier to find sections made by a certain user without wasting time looking through the archives. This page will also make it easy to count how many sections a particular user has written.

Proposer: Deadline: "April 6, 2017, 23:59 GMT"

Support

 * 1) Per my prioposal.

Oppose

 * 1) This wouldn't be a good idea in the long run. Many 'Shroom writers, such as myself, have written massive sections in the past, or have simply written a very large amount of sections. Transcluding whole sections into a userpage would lead to said pages easily taking up 100k+ bytes, reducing load times and clogging up the wiki. Userpages simply made for linking to sections seem rather unnecessary as well, as it could just as easily be done on the writer's main userpage.
 * 2) Per Lord Bowser. Also, the rules say that subpages that serve the wiki can be created in addition to signatures and the like. Having a separate page filled with 'Shroom sections wouldn't really serve the wiki.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) – Per LB. Users may reproduce (a reasonable number) or link to written sections on their main userpage if they wish.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per Lord Bowser and Shokora.

Comments
You forgot to title your proposal, by the way. 14:26, 30 March 2017 (EDT)

I want to point out, regarding the "make it easy to count how many sections a particular user has written", we do have this. -- 03:52, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

Repurpose
As highlighted by in this forum post, the necessity of the  template has come under question. His main concerns are that it seems redundant to hand out when a user overly edits in their userspace, and that the template itself is too wordy and takes too long to get to the point. also mentioned that many users with high userspace edits often have it due to experimentation with wiki coding, which is a productive use of editing if it is meant to go onto official articles.

These two reasons is why I propose a restructuring of the userspace template; removing the too many userspace edits reason, and just sending out (in)formal reminders for that instead on a case-by-case basis. I also propose reformatting the template so that it only covers genuine violations of the userspace policy and gets to the point faster. This way, the template won't need to be handed out so liberally, and it will better get the attention of those in violation of the policy.

Proposer: Deadline: April 12, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Repurpose the template

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) Per Lord Bowser. The userspace warning has always seemed odd among the other warning templates. It's just too lengthy.
 * 3) per all.
 * 4) It's always felt kinda large and long to me.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) While it seems detrimental to retire the temple altogether, it also seems pointless to not improve it. Perhaps it should only be issued if A) the user in question makes more than five or six major edits (500 bytes or more) to their userspace, and B) these edits all have little or no relevance to the project (such as, you know, using the wiki as a web host). While the status quo isn't the worst (Bulbapedia, for example, has an even stricter (and maybe an even more "needlessly patronizing") policy on userpages), I'd say it's definitely worthy of improvement.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per myself and Baby Luigi in the linked forum thread.
 * 11) - Per all; trimming it down and making it clear when (not) to use it is a needed improvement to the template
 * 12) Having experienced the overuse of this reminder first hand (although it was overturned by an Admin almost immediately), I agree we need to make more clear what type of situations this reminder should be issued in. Per all.
 * 13) Per proposal.
 * 14) Per my comments

Leave as is

 * 1) You can say that a userpage is a great place to practice MediaWiki syntax but we should encourage redirecting those people's attention to do that in Sandbox. Keeps attention off the user namespace. There is a reasonable argument that, in general, Bulbapedia is too strict. In general, I feel that MarioWiki is too relaxed. I think we can find a happy middle ground, but this proposal as it stands right now isn't it.

Comments
@Toadette the Achiever - I don't propose removing it entirely, since it can still serve a legitimate purpose. I just wanted to retool and rewrite it so that it would only be issued in the case of userspace policy violations, and informal reminders being sent out in the case of excess unproductive userspace edits. This would increase to formal reminders and warnings if it persists, similar to the current policy in place. 19:02, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

Something lacking is the link to Special:Editcount. This is clearer than Special:Contributions because one page keeps count of edits while the other lists each edit made by the user. Here's me: For new users, Special:Editcount is more useful while for long time users or frequent editors, Special:Contributions is more useful. -- 19:10, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Special:Editcount/Wildgoosespeeder
 * Special:Contributions/Wildgoosespeeder

@Wildgoosespeeder - It is important to remember that many users, including yourself and myself, have their own personal sandboxes under userspace, used for things such as template drafts, policy drafts, experimentation, and so on. All of these edits add up on Special:Editcount under the User row. Encouraging people to use the wiki sandbox when you have your own personal one is contradictory and borderline hypocritical. 04:15, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I am aware, as I do the same thing. I thought we were talking the main page only (no slashes), the page where we can personalize to our liking. Sub pages are the exception, as long as they serve the wiki. -- 04:39, 6 April 2017 (EDT)

If anyone was curious, I've created a potential new userspace template on my sandbox. Feel free to comment on anything that should be changed within it. 04:48, 6 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Damn Wildgoosespeeder, you've got more edits than me :'( @Lord Bowser, that proposed template seems fine. Like Template:Sigfix, the wording around the policy is very general, which leaves it to those who are issuing the reminder to personally advise the user on exactly what they've done wrong (such as excessive userpage edits, creating unnecessary subpages). 08:13, 6 April 2017 (EDT)

I think that number of user space edits alone does not determine whether a user is editing their user space too much. For example, a user may use a sandbox to work on a very big project. This would not be in violation of policy because it is helpful to the wiki. What is not allowed is making a very large number of edits on pages that are not helpful to the wiki, such as a main userpage, while making little to no mainspace edits. I think that the template cloud be rewritten to make that clear, as well as adding detail about other types of userspace violation. -- 08:56, 6 April 2017 (EDT)