Talk:List of species

On-Topic
Are all of these really considered species? Most of them are just single enemies with nothing to do with anything else. I would think of species as the Pianta, Koopas, and (maybe) Boos, but is everything else really necessary in the "species" section? --Master Gamer 22:16, 31 May 2006 (EDT)


 * I think technically most enemies are distinct species, there are just some more prevalent than others, just like in the real world. Son of Suns 22:18, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

Squeek/Mouser
I thought we already solved this problem. Mouser is a character in Doki Doki Panic. Squeek's are the small mouse creatures found in Yoshi's Island, both Paper Mario games and Mouser himself. We know this because Goombella called them Squeeks in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door and they were named as such in the jap version of the game manual for Yoshi's Island (or so I'm told). -- Ghost Jam 01:19, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
 * Also, Little Mousers were the name of Squeeks in Yoshi's Island. Additionally, Nomadimice are a special type of Squeek. However, when I went to the page, there was no information so I deleted the page. --Son of Suns 01:38, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Krash
But if there a sub-species, dont they go here? If not where DO they go? - User: Ultimatedixie

Probably just the sub-species category, that seems to be whats going on at the MarioWiki. Or a sub-species list could be made. -- Sir Grodus

Actually, I meant, which of the regular CATs. Games Characters Places Items Species Allies Enemies Special Moves Movies and Tv Publications Music

But after I typed that, I realized it went in the, Enemies category. So....nevermind. - User: Ultimatedixie

Species Question
What is the name of the purple hedgehog-like enemy?----


 * Porcupo. -- Son of Suns

The section...
What is the Species and Sub-Species? I don't actually get it, does it mean a different type of enemy types from the orignal enmey? I'm planning to update this section... So confused, my brain HURTS!


 * We use the term Sub-Species to denote a creature that "spun-off" an original creature. For example, Goomba is a species, but Paragoomba is a sub-species. Does this make sense? In this list I was trying to list all species, then under each main species, all sub-species with a two star bullet. -- Son of Suns

Like this?

==G== *Goomba – Super Mario Bros. **Mad Goomba – Super Princess Peach **Paragoomba – Super Mario Bros. 3 **Sad Goomba – Super Princess Peach **Spiked Goomba – Paper Mario

The main species would be oh say a Goomba. And at the bottom, the spun-off enemies are orginazed alphabetically right? If this is correct... I would start updating it; but it will be tough... This one is gonna take about a week or two...


 * Hey, does a Business Bro. (character) are sub-species to Hammer Bro., if so; why the Business Bro is not an enemy? Confused again as anyways

Wait, how about sub-species of sub-species? Like Hammer Bro. is a sub-specie of Koopa Troopa, but Fire Bros. is a sub-species of Hammer Bros.? Agh, this category is too confusing. I  am   Confused  14:01, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

And I updated the code section for you 14:12, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Any Chance?
we might be able to use DPL to sort this list? Maybe by series or game or something.
 * I wish we could, that would make updating this list unnecessary, but, there's no template to include a game as a parameter on any of these pages, signify the shape for the symbols, etc. Also, I'm sure if we could make separate sections for letters. It's not worth the time it would take – go to Maintenance/Lists once a week and update it manually instead. 15:24, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, I don't mean Auto-Updating, I just mean, like, sorting in a table. We would still have to update Manually, but you could search by series or title.
 * That would require a template to be included on every species page out there with a game and/or series parameter – then the contents could be transcluded, and put in a table with class=sortable. Alas, that's 100s of articles to add that to. 15:28, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Oh. ok. Just a suggestion.

Meows
All of AirMeow, BigMeow, Meowbomb, MeowMaid, PatrolMeow, SecuriMeow and SurpriseMeow are classified as sub-species. How to sort them in? - 14:51, 22 September 2007 (EDT)


 * Their categories should be switched to "species", as there is no main form. -- Son of Suns

Cross Species
Should Pidgit Bill be listed as a Pidgit, as a Bullet Bill, or as both? - 15:22, 22 September 2007 (EDT)


 * Hmm...probably both. -- Son of Suns

Robots?
Shouldn't things like Shroids, Robo Shy Guys, and Meowmaids be removed, since they aren't really living and therefore not really "species?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that abiotic machines are not usually considered species. Please respond! Goomb-omb 20:39, 19 June 2008 (EDT) edit:I"m going to make a proposal about this


 * Around here, "Species" is just a general term used for all types of beings, be they biotic, undead, robotic, or whatever. - 11:42, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Humanoid/sapient
We should put an article only about the civilizated species... actually every species on the Mario world are sapient... so, an article about species that sighly resemble human beings (being biped, for example).

Drmgin 15:52, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Not everything biped resemble humans. For example. Goombas don't resemble humans, and they're bipeds, they resemble walking mushrooms.

Centurions
Are centurions a specie


 * Yes. --

Referring Directly to the Reader
The article refers directly to the reader. Is that intentional, or should we fix it? Yoshario'''
 * This should be fixed. Also, the introduction reads very informal und biased. 11:13, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Fixed it. Yoshario''' Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png

Amiguity of Definition
There was discussion yesterday in #mwikichat about whether Bullet Bills are actual species, since they, as far as we could tell, never spoke in games. Similarly, there are other enemies that may not be living creatures at all, so I thought an established set of requirements to be considered a species would be good. Any thoughts?
 * No because than that will ruin all the hard work I did on the bullet Bill section (I added a lot.) And they are still species.
 * Bullet Bills speak in Mario Party Advance, as do Bob-Ombs.
 * I don't think it's really worth thinking about which creatures actually live and which ones don't. Just leave it as it is. --Grandy02 18:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Species and Subspecies
Is "Subspecies" a real word? Or are most of the "Species" we're talking about actually Genus and Families, and "Subspecies" actually Species?

Super Mario RPG Species
Should the weaker enemies have their stronger variants with them, because enemies like Spring-Oings and Trashures have their stronger variants with them.

Species Missing
What kind of species should I add?

Drop-down list
Do we have a drop-down list template or something similar on the wiki? The current list is very confusing to navigate on mobile and something of sorts would help:

Shy Guy V
 * Animal Trainer Shy Guy
 * Bandit V
 * Badge Bandit
 * Big Bandit
 * etc.

The V's represent arrows that can be tapped on to reveal all the "sub-species" of a certain species. Categories on Wikipedia work this way. -- 13:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)

Tattle Log / Catch Card order in the Paper Mario series
Generally, parent species appear first while variants appear later, with few exceptions. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door ' s Tattle Log and Super Paper Mario ' s Catch Cards are both structured as follows: the basic version of a given enemy is listed first, followed by derivatives (in overall order of appearance in the former and directness in the latter), and bosses like Big Blooper are usually separate at the end (with some exceptions like Gold Fuzzy). According to the lists, however, some parent species were technically introduced in a later game than their derivatives. This includes Dull Bones (which is already implied by the name of Dry Bowser in Japanese and certain languages, and despite the fact that it would look identical to Dry Bones, it was Dull Bones that received a Flopside Pit of 100 Trials counterpart), Dark Puff, Ember, Bald Cleft, and Dark Wizzerd. It also implies that "Pale Piranha" should be the basic form of Piranha Plant (considered a mere color variant in some languages), with the game's "Piranha Plant" as a derivative (as the name and guidance in certain languages would suggest). Should we adhere to this order? Note that this doesn't always match internal order, and some like Ember would probably have been reversed if it appeared at a later point in The Thousand-Year Door (like it did in the original Paper Mario). I do think that we should consider at least going by the order further supported by Super Paper Mario, which only includes Dull Bones and Bald Cleft. Or is it safer to continue to consider these weaker versions as derivatives that happen to appear earlier in those games, which mostly aligns with their filenames (with notable exceptions like Pale Piranha and Moon Cleft)? LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:25, March 15, 2020 (EDT)