MarioWiki:Proposals

"Closed caption of the Mario cartoons"
WildBrain, the owners of DiC and all their assets, made captions for the all of the Mario cartoons. I argue that they should be accepted since they have unique spellings not found anywhere else:


 * Radigator
 * Stoolpigeon
 * The First Mushroom Bank
 * Red hot pepper detector
 * Light plunger
 * Storm Troopa
 * Obi-Wan Toady
 * Koopa-phobia
 * Dealing Dalbert
 * Pot o’ gold coins
 * Retro Reuter
 * All-purpose, portable plumber's helper
 * Mythos
 * Muga the Medicine Woman

Everyone else in the discussion, however, disagrees and wanted me to make this proposal. This also applies to all of the captions for the other two cartoons, which is the reason I put it here. Reminder that WildBrain has access to all of DiC's assets.

Proposer: Deadline: Tuesday, April 20th, 23:59 GMT

Agree

 * 1) Per my reasoning above.

Deny

 * 1) Per everything that was said here and here.
 * 2) Per Keyblade Master. I've said this regarding WildBrain before and I'll say it again, these aren't the people who made the cartoons. This is the company that bought the company that bought the company that made the cartoons. The subpar job they've done with other material (i.e. the YouTube videos) doesn't give me any confidence that they're using the original material for this information, if they even still have access to that anymore.
 * 3) Per what Alex, Glowsquid, and I have said on the aforementioned pages (as well as what I initially brought up here). The Rat-A-Gator concept art completely breaks your argument anyway, and "radigator" is obviously wrong.
 * 4) To cite the great Glowsquid, "[WildBrain] has been blatantly amateurish, including straight up copy-and-pasting our episode summaries for their video description". To summarize, WildBrain has been notorious for copypasting information from this wiki, and their unprofessional corporate structure has led to unnecessary redirects (e.g. Ahehehauhe) or unreliable names. This also applies to companies that merely host these cartoons on their services and deliver somewhat unreliable information (e.g. Apple TV). These companies do not have involvement with the original cartoons additionally, so in any given case, I say to stick with DiC Entertainment, and the staff that created these TV shows for proper sources.
 * 5) - Per all. I'd also like to ask if WildBrain even adds the captions to their shows on streaming services themselves or if it's people from Apple TV and the like doing it
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all. Considering how blatantly they are plagiarizing from the wiki, as well as how unprofessional some of the names they have provided are, I would recommend against using WildBrain as a source on the wiki at all.
 * 8) - (the heck is Aheheauhe?) Per me and everyone else. I'd rather we deny WildBrain entirely.
 * 9) This has been bothering me. I don't see WildBrain as "official," particularly with nonsense like uploading auto-generated video thumbnails.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) General unprofessionalism from WildBrain's part regarding the presentation of the cartoons.
 * 12) Pretty much all of these opposing arguments are valid so far. Yea, I've noticed the copy-paste material as well.
 * 13) Per Glowsquid's comment on Alex's talk and the copy/paste issue. This should have at least been discussed first before going ahead with the mass moves.
 * 14) Per all.
 * 15) Per everyone.
 * 16) Per all.
 * 17) Per all.

Comments
"WildBrain [...] made captions for the all of the Mario cartoons."

Do you have evidence of such? As far as I know, closed captioning is done either by the network itself, or by third-party contractors hired for that purpose (as is the case of Netflix) --Glowsquid (talk) 19:29, April 13, 2021 (EDT)

@Alex95: "Ahehehauhe" refers to this 14-second clip from Flatbush Koopa. It's clearly not intended to be an alternate title for the episode and I really question whether or not we need the redirect. I guess someone might see the video, not know the episode, and try to find it here by searching that? -- 19:49, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * [[File:Paper Mario Dizzy.png]] 19:54, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * Seems like a silly redirect to me. 20:17, April 13, 2021 (EDT)

WildBrain uploaded "Rock TV" yesterday. The end of the description contains the text "Main article: The Legend of Zelda (TV series)," which confirms they're stealing stuff from wikis. It also describes the Super Show!, despite this being an episode of Super Mario World. And we can't forget Ahehehauhe and Evil Dinorsaur. 20:15, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww how blatant of them XD 20:56, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * I saw this get brought up by the Wiki's twitter account. I barely knew much about all this at first but now I agree WildBrain is a completely invalid source. 21:17, April 13, 2021 (EDT)

Nobody ever agrees with me online. You guys might as well just pass this as failed. Nobody ever even listens to me and nobody can tell me otherwise. Grandet Omate (talk) 23:30, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * Moping never solved anything. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:46, April 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * I told you on your talk page that you should talk to other people when you bring such decisive modifications to the wiki. It's the one thing to do here, everyone does it out of common sense. While a few of the others' comments have been somewhat demeaning, remember that nobody here is against you; in fact, I personally want to see you exit this slump and flourish. You're not a bad editor. However, should you keep on with the same mistakes you've done so many times by now, I guess that's on you. 03:52, April 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * I know you said before that you have difficulty talking to others, and honestly in reality I do too. However, you should not get upset and self-pity like that if people don't agree with you. It's not that people are not listening to you, we have read your reasoning, but we just disagree with it. Everyone has given their reasons to oppose, you just need to review those with a better attitude. This sort of thing happens all the time on here, all I ask is that you do not take this too personally. 04:45, April 14, 2021 (EDT)

(I'd partially support in the case of spellings that have no known, official alternatives.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:13, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

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