Talk:Piranha Plant

What Do You Think?
First off wow this page dosent have a talk page yet... wow. But anyways do you guys think this article deserves to be nominated as a featured article?
 * Nominate it if you want to, it's your choice.

Why does it say that Petey Piranha is the only pirnha plant with teeth? The teeth is what makes a piranha plant a pirnha plant.

Super Mario Land
Hi. In this article and in Super Mario Land related articles is said that the plants featured in that game are not Piranha Plant, but Pakkun Flowers. Anyway Pakkun Flower is the japanese name for Piranha Plants (the english word flower is written furawa in japanese), so they're not different characters, but their name just remained untranslated, like all the other enemies in that game. So, what I'm gonna do is to change every reference to Pakkun Flower into Piranha Plant, leaving only in this page the note that the name wasn't translated in the manual.--Kombatgod 12:10, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

I agree. It's so confusing! the template calls them pakkun flowers, but when i click, im redirected to the piranha plant article.

Just make sure to use the name "Pakkun Flower" when referring to the Piranha Plants from Super Mario Land, per a proposal to refer to characters, species, etc. by the name they are referred to in different games. For example, since Peach is called Toadstool in Super Mario RPG, she is referred to as Toadstool in sections about Super Mario RPG. --

Ok, then. But we still can't consider them as different characters, to avoid confusion.--Kombatgod 12:49, 26 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Yeah, that's why the content is on this page. Both names are official so both are used in the appropriate sections and articles. -- P.S. But I would like to venture the possibility that Nintendo named these enemies Pakkun Flowers on purpose to distinguish them from Piranha Plants.


 * I was thinking that too, something like that in the english Mario universe piranha plants are named differently in the Mushroom Kingdom than in Saaraasa(?I never read that name carefully) Land. Anyway I think they just kept the japanese name for all enemies...--Kombatgod 13:06, 26 March 2009 (EDT) P.S. hey thank you very much for the fast response and editing action! Other wikis takes very long to do something like this!

Pakkun or Packun?
Super Mario Land called them "Pakkun Flowers" instead (and it's closer to the romaji), but most Japanese materials prefer to call them "Packun Flowers" in English (for example, http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gm4j/02.html). So which one should we stick with? I say we keep the Super Mario Land section the way it is, but otherwise replace all instances of "Pakkun" with "Packun" when referring to the Japanese games. LinkTheLefty 12:57, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Create a new page, Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)
There has been a translation inconsistency in English concerning the Piranha Plant variants in Paper Mario: TTYD. The enemy that was named Pale Piranha in the English version, was just known as "Pakkun Flower", i.e. Piranha Plant, in the original Japanese version, and subsequently in all translated versions except English.

On the other hand, the enemy simply known as "Piranha Plant" that later appears in the Pit of 100 Trials was known as "Killer Pakkun" in the Japanese version, and subsequently according names in all translated versions except English.

It is apparent to me that there has been a mix-up in the English version and that "Pale Piranha" is a mistaken name for what should just be called Piranha Plant. I proposed that on Pale Piranha's page. On the other hand, I propose here that the "Killer Pakun" is split from the Piranha Plant article to a new page "Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)".

Proposer: Deadline: April 3 2010, 23:59

Split

 * 1) - For the same reasons that Yo'ster Isle will be merged with Yoshi's Island.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) - For great justice consistency.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.

No Split

 * 1) What makes the Killer Pakun different from a normal Pirhana Plant?

Split Pale Pirahna and merge the Paper Mario TTYD Piranha Plant
I don't care if this subject has been discussed (cause I know it has) but this is just not right. Pale Piranhas are clearly stated to be sub species of Piranha Plants. We don't have Putrid Piranhas or Frost Piranhas merged. So what if the Japanese name is the same as Piranha, there appearance is different. Plus actual Piranha Plants appear in the game. They should be merged with this Piranha Plant.

Proposer: Deadline: September 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal. I don't know how the other proposal passed.
 * 2) I think it's been decided Normal Piranha Plants don't appear. Both should get separate pages. But this is one step towards that.

Oppose

 * 1) Per the arguments in the frist two proposals
 * 2) Per Walkazo's comment.
 * 3) - Like I said last time, both articles should be separate from this page, because both plants are obviously not normal Piranha Plants, and we have the official means to act on our observations thanks to the English and Japanese names. But since that's not happening this time either, once again, the easiest thing to do is to stop this TPP so we don't waste our time merging an article that shouldn't be merged, and to revisit the issue next month - but next time, just split Pale Piranha and leave the already split one alone.
 * 4) Per Walkazo.
 * 5) I oppose 1/2 of this proposal. The same half as Walkazo. BTW, Tails. You spelled Piranha two different ways.
 * 6) Per Walkazo.

Comments
I stand by what I said on the last TPP: we should give BOTH Piranha Plants separate pages: "The Pale Piranha is clearly said to be a 'subspecies' of Piranha Plant, and it has a different name to boot. However, the TTYD Piranha Plant is also a unique 'type' of Piranha Plant, and also has a different name in many languages. Therefore, the best thing to do would be to give BOTH enemies separate pages, and just talk about how TTYD has four kinds of Piranha Plants on the main Piranha Plant page. This will be consistent with how we've dealt with various other differently designed enemies that have the same names in some languages, but different names in others: we go with the language(s) that make the most sense (the 'Japan is always right' idea used in the old proposal is outdated; Japan is still right about the 'Killer Pakkun', but I think English is right about the 'Pale Piranha')." Giving them both pages will also mean we won't have any more TPPs about splitting whichever one isn't currently split... - 22:37, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Yes, I guess keeping both regular Piranha Plants seperate is O.K., But Pale Piranha should be split. User:Tails777
 * Yes, it should, but the other one shouldn't be merged, and this TPP will force that to happen if it passes, or it will force us to not split Pale Piranha for at least a month if it fails. And either way, we'll need another TPP, and the problem won't be fixed for ages... It'd be better to just cancel this one while we still can and make one just about splitting, if we really want to break the cycle. - 19:02, 8 September 2011 (EDT)


 * So how do I change the proposal to just split Pale Piranha?
 * You can't now its been more than 3 days this proposal can not be edited
 * Well O.K. then. Both Piranha Plants should be in the same article anyway. The name in a different language doesn't make it a different enemy.
 * Yes it does look at Boomerang Bros. from Superstar saga same name in English and Japanese still a different enemy because the Italian name and the French name is different
 * Yes, this is exactly like the Boomerang Bro. thing (and a handful of other split/merge TPPs). One plant looks different and the other is found in a specific location and has unusually high stats, so based on that, we can say neither are normal Piranha Plants, and the fact that both have unique names in one language or another confirms it and gives us the official justification to separate both of them. Putting them in the same article is the opposite of what we want to do, because none of the languages (and none of the plants' features) say they're the same thing as each other. The TTYD section of this page should merely be an overview of all the Piranha Plants that appear (not just these two), with links to their pages, which is where the real info would go. - 23:16, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Split Pale Piranha from Piranha Plant
As per Walkazo's comment above, which is taken from this, the Pale Piranha behaves differently from normal Piranha Plants, and we have a different English name for each to justify splitting them, so a split is in order.

Proposer: Deadline: November 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Let's do this right. Per proposal.
 * 3) I never liked how they were treated the same. Per proposal.
 * 4) I always wanted them to be split. I was first shocked when I saw that they were merged. Split! Split! Split!
 * 5) - Per Proposal, and per my comments/votes on the older proposals: it's about time these TTYD plants both got separate pages and I'm only sorry I didn't get around to making this TPP myself (curse you, numerous preoccupations).
 * 6) It is a different color to a Pale Piranha. Per All.
 * 7) They're different species so I completely agree.
 * 8) Per BoygeMario.
 * 9) Commence "per"ing. T minus 3-2-1 PER PROPOSAL!
 * 10) — Per all.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) - Considering that Behemoth and Behemoth King are split from each other, it's only right if the same is done to Pale Piranha.
 * 13) - Per all.
 * 14) These two types of Piranha Plants are completely different, they mustn't be merged.

Quote
In SM64DS, the quote from the signpost about piranha plants has an addition, something along the lines of I don't like eggs. I've lost the game, so is there anyone who can check?EmperorLuigi115 21:18, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. 3 image
The image is Mario losing a life to a Venus Fire Trap, wouldn't it make more sense to have that on the Venus Fire Trap page?

Golden Piranha Plants?
A golden variant of piranha plants has appeared more than once like gold goombas, golden piranha plants appeared in new super Mario bros 2 and mario party 10 should Golden Piranha Plants be an article like gold goombas?

Can I create a Golden Piranha Plant article please?

It's your choice if you want to or not.

Sources for the enemy name
I know this is obvious, but here is a source for the name anyway: --Hiccup (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Nintendo Power New Super Mario Bros. guide
 * What name? 15:39, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Fixed. I meant "Piranha Plant". --Hiccup (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Names stated ingame don't need to be sourced. Binarystep (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2015 (EDT)

Mario Kart Arcade GP Piranha Plant
Should the section about Piranha Plants in the Mario Kart Arcade GP games be moved to Piranha Plant (potted)? They are Piranha Plants in pots, and the "Piranha Plant (potted)" page covers any Piranha Plants in pots, including the ones in Mario Party 3. Also, a picture of a Piranha Plant from Mario Kart Arcade GP DX is already on the Piranha Plant (potted) page. -- 19:58, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Yes, I think so. -- 16:28, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Split Raving Piranha Plant from this article
Seeing as we have articles for various other one-off enemies from the Mario Kart series, such as Walking Tree, Bouncing Note and, most appropriately, Pit Plant, I think it makes sense that we split this sub-species of Piranha Plant from the main article. For a start, they are completely covered in neon lights, or some other form of light emitting dots (You can see it if you look close up at this image), and flash between white, pink, yellow, green, blue and purple, in time with the music of the course. They are primarily black with grey dots in some places, and the colour changing (But naturally white) dots in others, which doesn't resemble the colour scheme of almost any other Piranha Plant (The closest thing I can find in a colour game is a Pale Piranha, but it's not a perfect match, and that's a separate article anyway). These Piranha Plants also dance in time with the music, which I'm fairly certain other ones don't do. As we also have the name for the species from the Prima Guide, like the other articles, I think we have good reason to create this article.

Proposer: Deadline: 12 December, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per both.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) not confirmed different.

Comments
"These Piranha Plants also dance in time with the music, which I'm fairly certain other ones don't do." What about the Piranha Plants in Music Park? -- 16:00, 11 December 2017 (EST)
 * Yeah, I remembered that a couple of days afterwards when it was too late to change the proposal. Apart from that though, I think everything else about them is different, and I'll add in the article that this is not a unique trait and is shared by those in Music Park, but not any others. BBQ Turtle (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)

This is the Ultimate
So, palutena's guidance..... "Piranha Plants, your Fire Pirahna Plants, Ptooies, Nipper Plants, Nipper Spores, Munchers, Jumping Piranhas, Wild Ptooie Piranhas, Propeller Piranhas, Naval Piranhas, Chewies, Megasmilax, Piranha Pests, Piranha Sprouts, Frost Piranhas, Putrid Piranhas, Proto Piranhas, Piranhabons, Piranha Beans, Mom Piranhas, Small Piranhas, Elasto-Piranhas, Piranha Planets, Bungee Piranhas, Big Bungee Piranhas, Ghosts, Nipper Dandelions, Spiny Piranhas, Dino Piranhas, Fire Stalking Piranhas, Piranha Plorps, River Piranhas, Big Piranhas, Stalking Piranhas, Big Fire Piranhas, Prickly Piranhas, Peewee Piranhas, Inky Piranhas, Gold Piranhas, Bone Piranhas, Big Bone Piranhas, Piranha Pods, Piranha Creepers, Nipper Spore Patches, Paper Fire Piranhas, Poison Piranhas, Big Poison Piranhas, Upside-Down Piranhas, Petey Piranha, Paper Petey Piranha, Petea Piranha-" This leaves us with a few things..and note they are mostly in game order.
 * "Propeller Piranha" is likely a new name for Hootie the Blue Fish.
 * "Proto Piranha" is likely Polluted Piranha Plant, referring to protoplasm.
 * "Small Piranha" is likely Tane Pakkun the SM64 fire-breather, given the list below's order.
 * "Big Piranha" is listed within the NSMBW enemies, while Fire Stalking Piranha Plant is listed after SMG, but before BiS. Both of these are in-line with the JP order seen below.
 * "Ghosts" is definitely citogenesis at this point, but this is an actual game, so I don't have much problem with it, but then again....
 * Spiny Piranha Plant and Prickly Piranha Plant, given positions, seem to be confused for each other (unless we confused them first).
 * "Upside-Down Piranha" is a generic term that was separate back in the day in books.
 * "Piranha Pod" is Gūrindai, as it was used in that half-arsed "translation" from SMBE.

Also note the lack of Ice Piranha Plant, despite Frost Piranha being listed.

So, uh....yeah. What to do? Also, "Big Fire Piranha" is now a name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * In regards to the currently-Japanese-only names, it's possible someone actually translated them rather than lifting straight off of a wiki. I'm for moving the translated names, but not sure on Hootie and Polluted. 21:37, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * I personally would like to see if there is any cohesion with the Japanese tattle before anything, myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:38, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * I'd like to see Hootie moved at least, since it's pretty clear that's what the new name's referring to. Niiue (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9z8rkPMwnU for Japanese Guidance. I don't speak the language, and while Viridi does also list off a long name they also use different poses, indicating the lines arent exactly the same. 72.200.164.50 21:46, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Wow, the entire conversation is different. 21:48, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Some of these likely came from here, others likely came from other fansites, like FANDOM wikia. At the very least, "Propellor Piranha" and "Big Fire Piranha" seem like actual translations (as much as I like the previous names), but "Ghost" is this one's Lumacomete. An obvious red flag. Which came from them in the first place. They're citing us, we cite them, they re-cite us....arggghhh.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2019 (EST)

Here's the order Viridi lists them in the Japanese version:


 * Sasaka Pakkun Flower (Upside-Down Piranha Plant)
 * Fire Pakkun (Fire Piranha Plant)
 * Fūfū Pakkun (Ptooie)
 * Puchi Pakkun (Nipper Plant)
 * Puchi Pakkun no Tane (Nipper Spore)
 * Fire Puchi Pakkun (Fiery Walking Piranha)
 * Black Pakkun (Muncher)
 * P-Pakkun (Jumping Piranha)
 * Ponki Pakkun (Wild Ptooie Piranha)
 * Propeller Pakkun (Hootie the Blue Fish / Propeller Piranha)
 * Big Pakkun (Naval Piranha)
 * Pakkun Blue (Chewy)
 * Queen Flower (Megasmilax)
 * Peropero Pakkun (Piranha Pest)
 * Chuchu Pakkun (Piranha Sprout (Yoshi's Story))
 * Pakkun (Piranha's Pursuit?)
 * Ice Pakkun (Frost Piranha)
 * Poison Pakkun (Putrid Piranha)
 * Boss Pakkun (Petey Piranha)
 * Dorodoro Pakkun (Polluted Piranha Plant / Proto Piranha)
 * Korokoro Pakkun (Piranhabon)
 * Mame Pakkun (Piranha Bean)
 * Mother Pakkun (Mom Piranha)
 * Killer Pakkun (Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door))
 * Chibi Pakkun Flower (Small Piranha, from Tiny-Huge Island)
 * Dokkan Pakkun (Elasto-Piranha)
 * Visitor Pakkun (Piranha Planet)
 * Bungee Pakkun (Bungee Piranha)
 * Big Bungee Pakkun (Big Bungee Piranha)
 * Yūrei Pakkun (Ghost)
 * Watage Pakkun (Nipper Dandelion)
 * Togetoge Pakkun (Prickly Piranha)
 * Dino Pakkun (Dino Piranha)
 * Fire Tekiteki Pakkun (Fire Stalking Piranha)
 * Dokkun Flower (Piranha Plorp)
 * Uki Pakkun (River Piranha)
 * Deka Pakkun Flower (Big Piranha Plant)
 * Tekiteki Pakkun (Stalking Piranha)
 * Deka Fire Pakkun (Big Fire Piranha)
 * Igaiga Pakkun (Spiny Piranha)
 * Dino Pakkun Jr. (Peewee Piranha)
 * Ink Pakkun (Inky Piranha)
 * Gold Pakkun (Gold Piranha)
 * Hone Pakkun (Bone Piranha)
 * Deki Hone Pakkun (Big Bone Piranha)
 * Gūrindai (Piranha Pod)
 * Nobinobi Pakkun (Piranha Creeper)
 * Perapera Puchi Pakkun no Tane (Nipper Spore Patch)
 * Paper Fire Pakkun (Paper Fire Piranha)
 * Paper Boss Pakkun (Paper Petey Piranha)
 * Tea Pakkun (Petea Piranha)
 * Doku Pakkun (Poison Piranha)
 * Deka Doku Pakkun (Big Poison Piranha)

The order is largely the same, but she lists Upside-Down Piranhas at the front of the list, and the Petey Piranha variants in their debut order. She also mentions a few that were skipped in the localization (Fiery Walking Piranha, "Pakkun", and the Piranha Plants from The Thousand-Year Door). DryKirby64 (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * I'm curious if the wiki has the citations for Prickly and Spiny Plants backwards.....need someone with the SMG2 PRIMA guide. Also, given the order, "Pakkun" might in fact be the Plant from the Piranha's Pursuit minigame. Japanese desci of that game may need checked. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * I'm thinking they might've meant to say Lava Piranha? Also, some other notes are that Frost Piranha and Ice Piranha Plant have the same Japanese name (Ice Pakkun), and the Small Piranhas are specifically the ones found in Tiny-Huge Island. Given its placement, it seems to be derived from Super Mario 64 DS. DryKirby64 (talk) 23:04, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Actually, double-checking, Lava Piranha is just "Fire Pakkun" in Japanese, so it's already listed. Piranha's Pursuit does in fact refer to the Piranha as just "Pakkun", so it could be that. DryKirby64 (talk) 23:09, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * "Fire Puchi Pakkun" is Fiery Walking Piranha. The Petit Piranha's Japanese name is the same as the Nipper Plant's. 22:48, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * So that's also just not in the English one. Also, mistranscribed "Muncher" as "Nipper" in your list, DryKirby. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Noted, thanks. "I never want to hear the word 'piranha' ever again." DryKirby64 (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Found a Japanese Mario Party vid, it looks like the standalone "Pakkun" refers to the Piranha's Pursuit thing? I could be wrong, though. Niiue (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Not sure what else it could refer to, but I'm not an expert on Mario Party by any means. It's one of the few games to have P. Plants to be between Yoshi's Story and PM, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:04, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * In addition to adding Fire Puchi Packun and Killer Packun, Upside-Down Piranha is still mentioned at the very beginning of the Japanese version (Sakasa Packun Flower). Upside-Down Piranha also comes from the Super Mario Land manual, but it's not so much a variety as it is a direction of the pipe. But yes, it's mostly the same list in the same order. "Small Piranha" is "Chibi Packun Flower", which might be the name for the Fire Piranha in the Super Mario 64 DS guide (which Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. called "Micro Piranha"). It seems to be about the right position if it's true, but it's odd they'd go with that over Super Mario 64. Prickly Piranha and Spiny Piranha were indeed swapped. Big Piranha is listed among the New Super Mario Bros. Wii Piranhas, but the list also breaks chronology earlier when Viridi mentions Nipper Spores among the Super Mario Bros. 3 Piranhas and, in Japanese, mentions the basic Piranha among the Yoshi's Story's . She also indicates that Putrid Piranha and Poison Piranha are indeed separate varieties (but not Frost Piranha and Ice Piranha), as well as Petey Piranha and Petea Piranha. Piranha Pod from Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. is confirmed to be a legit name. So far so good. The problems are that we have a general rule about using the older names in the appropriate sections instead of applying a new one retroactively, so renaming Polluted Piranha Plant to Proto Piranha in particular might look a tad awkward since there are no games to go along with it besides this brief mention. That, and "Nipper Dandelion" is actually a huge issue because it was already determined to be a conjectural title. I do have reason to believe that we were referenced once again - namely, it is totally my fault that we now have a Piranha Plant named "Ghost" (yes, it was necessarily sourced from the North American text of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, but clearly it was obviously shorthand for the intended name. So yeah. Sorry about that, guys. I didn't count on Nintendo having more Zacks. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * That's not the regular Piranha Plant listed near Story, though, from what we can tell, it's the writhing, full-bodied, utter monstrosity from Piranha's Pursuit. Additionally, regarding the "name of the time" rule, please recall that guides are less on the hierarchy than games are. Or alternatively, we could say "where they are applied their current name" in an "other appearances" section. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * This is probably controversial, but I think we should move Ghost (Piranha Plant) to the obvious intended name and just treat its mention in Ultimate as the mistake that it is. Niiue (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Oh, thank you! I had completely missed Sakasa Pakkun; she talks so fast. I do think it's entirely possible that "Nipper Dandelion" is simply how they chose to localize the original name (because it's fairly generic and self-evident), but "Ghost" is definitely derived from the wiki's shorthand. DryKirby64 (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Sure thing. I disagree with Watage Pakkun, though - since the direct translation would be "Fluff Piranha", it seems clear that the translator looked it up for context. So I have reservations about the Yoshi's Island DS Piranha Plants - the rest seem to check out, as long as we keep the retroactive rule in mind (though, since Propeller Piranha is a direct translation and Hootie the Blue Fish was only used in the Yoshi's Island guide, maybe that one can used for Yoshi's New Island info). LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2019 (EST)
 * Nipper Dandelion fits Nipper Spore better than a literal translation of "Fluff Piranha" would, though. Niiue (talk) 00:56, 30 January 2019 (EST)
 * I agree with moving the current Japanese names and especially Ghost, since it does indeed appear to be intended as a shorthand for "Ghost Piranha" like "Frost" and "Wild Ptooie". I think it's possible the localisation team would've come to the name "Nipper Dandelion" on their own. 04:48, 30 January 2019 (EST)
 * According to Peardian, "Proto Piranha" is in fact used on the Toadstool Tour scoreboard. So that's worth looking into. Note that unlike Gooble/Glorpedo, this has fairly solid evidence as to which entity it refers to. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2019 (EST)


 * Additionally, should we split off the hideous abomination from Piranha's Pursuit now? It has definite differentiation here, and acted different to begin with.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:55, 30 January 2019 (EST)