Talk:Sumo Bro

Isn't the NSMB image a Sledge Bro.?


 * I think Sumo Bros. in NSMB resemble the Sledge Bros. from SMB 3. It's probably another name goof-up by Nintendo. -- Son of Suns

Check the Sledge Bro page, it says that Nintendo calls them Sumo Bros now. ;P

Relation to Hammer Bro, or relation to Boom Boom? Or neither?
Looking at them, their mouth shape, and their shell front, I'd say these were actually intended to be either related to Boom Boom or their own distinct species of Koopa. The fact that their Japanese name is "K.K." and has no reference to Hammer Bros helps in that regard. I'd say that the relation to Hammer Bros is a localization thing. But to be sure, would someone who knows Japanese check their description from this guide? It's on page 77. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2017 (EDT)
 * The book doesn't directly state that Sumo Bros. have a relationship to Hammer Bros. - it lists their clan as Turtle Tribe, but that is in most Koopa profiles, including Hammer Bros. etc. It does, however, make a comparison to Sledge Bros. in the first sentence.


 * 「ヒマンブロス(P171)に次ぐ超重量級 キャラだ. 」


 * ("A super heavyweight character akin to Himan Bros.")


 * By the way, there are also Amazing Flyin' Hammer Brothers, which have the Japanese name "Appare" and isn't directly stated to be related, but the similarity is still noted in the second sentence.


 * 「ハンマーブロス(P165)の仲間 らしく、どんどんハンマーを投 げ降 ろしてくるので危 ない. 」


 * ("Seemingly a companion of Hammer Bros., it dangerously throws down its hammers.")


 * I think they're fine the way they are. This is a case where the English names would appear to be making the connection clearer, not quite just making it up. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Given Mario Kart Tour's Hammer Bro Tour and a line in Paper Mario: Color Splash indicating that the core "family" of Bros. consists of Hammer Bro, Boomerang Bro, Fire Bro, and Ice Bro (with the Super Mario Maker series cementing Sledge Bro as the equivalent of "Big Hammer Bro"), I'm open to reconsidering Sumo Bro's relation to Hammer Bro. If we do, I suggest replacing Hammer Bro as parent species with Sledge Bro as related species, given the above and the fact that Sledge Bro was called Sumo Bro for a while (likely as a consequence of Sledge Bro being renamed in Japanese). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:52, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
 * I'd like that. The only physical indication they're related to Hammer Bros. is the Border Bros' faces looking vaguely similar. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:03, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
 * OK, so in Paper Mario: The Origami King, this is what Olivia has to say about Sumo Bros. when they appear with Boss Sumo Bro:"They're so cuuuuute! Heehee! Do you think they're related? I mean, they must be called Sumo BROS. for a reason... They're the littlest little bros. I've ever seen! We can go a little easy on them, right?"The implication is that "bro" is literal and retroactively connected with Boss Sumo Bro, not Hammer Bro. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:30, July 16, 2020 (EDT)
 * The page says that Olivia says "K.K." stands for "Lightning Brothers." 14:53, July 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Yep, here's the Japanese equivalent of that line:"うふふーかわいーい！きょうだいかしら？カミナリの　きょうだい…つまり　K.K. ってことですわね. でもまだ　ちっちゃいみたいですし、ちょっとだけかわいがって　あげちゃいます？"It's surprisingly close to the English text, except instead of explaining the "bros." in Sumo Bros., it's finally an explanation for what "K.K." is intended to mean: Kaminari Kyōdai, or Lightning Brothers. It's not outright the "Burosu" naming scheme, but it implies that they're meant to be an equivalent to Hammer/Sledge Bro, possibly from replacing one or both during the development of Super Mario World. Sumo Bro also appears after Sledge Bro in the Origami Character Gallery, but this may be coincidental. Should we go with "relative" or "variant" over "comparable"? LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:10, July 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * I'd still prefer "relative," since as you said it doesn't follow the naming scheme, this explanation came years later, and they still look nothing alike. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:29, July 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * "Appare" doesn't fit within "Burosu" naming scheme either, presuming a modern appearance wouldn't rename it a la Sledge Bro, but it's also directly after Hammer Bro in the Super Princess Peach gallery (though granted, they also have much more in common than Sumo Bro). This could be retroactive on the Japanese side however - maybe even localization-influenced like the Koopalings - but it's odd that "K.K." went completely unexplained until now. It could just as well be true that the localizers were privy to insider documents we never had access to and based the "Sumo Bro" translation on that information in the first place. I'm okay with considering it either, but in the case of relative, how does that affect our writing? Should Sumo Bro be mentioned in Hammer Bros. template like Rocky Wrench in Monty Mole template? LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:53, July 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Put it under "relative" or "comparable" and that should cover all bases. In Appare's case, it still has both the hammers and the helmet, even if it has a jacket and a more simplified face. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:24, July 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Mister Wu says that there are no other connections in current books, and takes the above guide as being specific to weight (it did the same thing with Roy), so let's go with "comparable" unless something else comes up. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:38, August 4, 2020 (EDT)
 * Bumping this to say that after some thought, I'd ultimately be OK (if a small bit apprehensive) to consider them derived from Sledge Bro specifically (ie, not straight from Hammer Bro) considering the proto-leak evidence. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:02, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * Which proto-leak evidence are you talking about? Looking at the two proto-sheets about them, I don't see the cconnection. Somethingone (talk) 14:02, May 26, 2022 (EDT)
 * Simply the fact that Hammer and Sledge are seemingly replaced with AFHB and Sumo Bro for the final, and the amount of other off-kilter replacements and variations the various sheets show. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:19, May 26, 2022 (EDT)