MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/41

Block on wiki = block on forum
VETOED BY THE ADMINISTRATORS The wiki administration and forum administration operate independently of each other and have different rules which are not mutually applicable. A ban on the wiki does not equate to a ban on the forum unless the user has broken the rules on both venues and vice versa.

(not sure if this belongs in Changes or Miscellaneous; please move if necessary) Normally, when a user gets blocked on the wiki, nothing happens to their forum account if they have one. Now that most people have both wiki and forum accounts, it should be considered that if a user does something stupid that gets him/her blocked on the wiki, he/she might go straight to the forum and complain about it (which isn't allowed), or do the same thing he/she did on the wiki in the forum, so therefore maybe this policy should be introduced.

Proposer: Deadline: August 10, 2013, 23:59 GMT.

Ban on both only when permabanned on wiki

 * 1) Sounds fair to me.

Ban on both in all instances for same amount of time

 * 1) Per proposal.

Ban only on wiki (do nothing)

 * 1) I think it'd be better to go for a case-by-case standard for something like this. If the user was trolling the wiki, then sure a ban on the forum as well would probably be the best course of action seeing as they'll likely do the same on the forum. However, if it's something like adding false information repeatedly or using edit summaries in a non-constructive manner then I think it'd be pretty mean to bar them for all corners of the wiki.
 * 2) Per Yoshi876; if someone's not doing anything wrong on the forum they shouldn't be banned there for malicious wiki activity.

Comments
You forgot a "Do Nothing" section, which would probably be best as there are instances of people being blocked on forum and not on wiki. If the user gets themselves blocked on the wiki, but still acts in a gracious manner on the forums then I don't see why they should be banned there.
 * The "ban only on wiki" section is pretty much the "do nothing" section; sorry if that wasn't clear. 03:39, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Okay, thanks :)
 * It would probably be better if there was something like "Ban if they were using excessive language on the wiki", because that's the only way I see it working. - 04:37, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Or like I said, trolling, especially seeing as there is no rule against swearing on the forum so it'd be stupid to ban them because of that.
 * I meant excessive excessive swearing on the wiki. - 07:34, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Still no rule against it on the forum, so it'd be pretty mean to ban them from that for it. Only way swearing would get banned from both is through flaming.
 * I guess I should of just said flaming. But the "Do nothing" still doesn't work, as it says "Only on Wiki", when they could of been banned from the forums. - 08:23, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

I think that kind of discussion should be left to the admins themselves. You should have PMed an admin telling him the idea, and left the final decision to them instead of jumping into an open proposal.-- 05:28, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

Allow the upload of voice clips
ALLOW 14-0

So, I am a bit busy, but I will spend more time in the wiki, as how it was...OK, so, I was thinking about uploading some (NOT A LOT!) of voice clips, I mean, voice clips for people hear and see the difference between voice actors. Example: Upload a Peach voice clip from SM64 and one from SMG.

My idea is have a small number of voice clips.


 * Voice clips may be with.no background GFX/SFX.

useful places to get voices: the sounds resource, the kittycorps meowmix forums, MFGG, youtube.com, ripping (use BrawlBox, SZS modifier, etc) anx trought glitches (MK8) and SSB3DS will have a voice tool like MP games.

Proposer: Deadline: August 26, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Per proposal. It is a an awesome idea. It'll be convenient. For instance we could cover most of Jen Taylor's voice clips for Peach and Samantha Kelly's Peach voice clips.
 * 3) Yeah, I think it might be nice. It's not really that big a thing, but then again wynaut?
 * 4) Now that the proposal changed, I agree with this. Sound clips are a good idea to include.
 * 5) Mmmm, yeah, why not. It's a good idea to supplement those quote pages with some voices.
 * 6) Per 'Shroom64, now that the limit is gone, I agree. 7 in total was too low.
 * 7) Next time, overhaul the proposal and start again instead of changing it without anyone knowing. Per all.
 * 8) Per proposal. Though SZS Modifier CANNOT rip SFX as far as I'm concerned.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) We should do what we did with quotes. List a few in the article itself, and link to the main voice/sound clip page.
 * 13) That's actually a great addition, and will benefit the change of voice actors during the years.
 * 14) Per all.

Comments
@Nineelevndo, I understand your oppose...or the major part it. If ripping is hard, it isn't mybproblem: who want to rip, rip. Who doesn't...doesn't rip. Also, most of them can be downloaded anywhere, you just need to credit the ripper. Also, I said a dmall amount because of PC lags. Got it? ;)
 * If we aren't going to do much of it, then I don't see a point in a major change at all if it isn't going to be actively used. - 18:08, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I understand. Maybe upload a few voice clips from alot of games should be better?
 * Given the similarity and sometimes out right sharing of sound resources within a given console generation, it'd suggest considering making one long clip per either system or voice actor that includes many/all samples we have. That is, "Mario's Voice, N64" would be the track name with every voice sample from the start of the N64 era to the end, or "Charles Martinet, 1995 - 2000" with same. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:46, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Uh that's not a good idea. Mario Kart Wii uses about 100 unique voice clips per character, we're not going to document all of them. Just document one per game, that's the best suited for the character. Ninelevendo, ripping voices is easy depending on the system. For Wii, all you need is BrawlBox and a clean .brsar from an .iso, and you can extract voices from sorts of games (Super Sluggers, Mario Party 8, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl). 22:32, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Too be honest, I was going to further suggest that the entire project be moved to the Mario Wiki Youtube account to save on storage space and to prevent us from having crazy long resource articles. But whatever gets the job done. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 04:48, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Just so you now, there's already a class of subpages for sound clips: "List of X media" pages (like this). Right now, it's only for games and whatnot, but I suppose if enough sound clips of a character are amassed, a subpage could be used for that. However I doubt that would ever be necessary, and it's not very ideal either. Uploading sound clips of voicework in of itself isn't a bad idea, tho: just be choosy about what's worth including. -
 * OK!

It may be nice to have voice clips, thing is, for all the Mario games that will come, the maximum of 7 is too low. I don't know anything on converting and stuff, but it could be nice to have them as .ogg files, just as musics. This way we could have, just like for the games page, a "List of Mario GFXs" and/or "List of GFXs from Super Mario 64". By the way, another reason for not supporting in Ninelevendo's. Why putting so effort for a such difficult thing to do when not so much people will hear it? But yes, I know that GFXs put a variety at the game and are nice to hear with music. P.S. I found a video glitch of MK8 where the music goes off and all the characters voices can be hearded, the ones when you select it. The link is www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJH3oTDwbE. Hope I helped you if the proposal pass :)
 * I would support if it was just "let voice file be uploaded", however, a subpage and limit makes lets this proposal down. - 02:25, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
 * In fact, it would be nice to have them, but per Ninelevendo, I'm neutral. Opposing would mean no clips at all.

The majority of the users on this Wiki are on either Windows XP, Vista and 7 or Mac OS X. I'd see a lag if they were on something older let's say like Windows 2000 or Windows Me, 98 and 95 but that's very unlikely since barely anyone uses Windows 2000 or Windows 9X.I'd see that some people would receive a lag but that is if they were using an old piece of shit Windows 2000,9X or NT 4.0 PC.If someone were using Windows 2000 then this site would look all garbled up and shit like that though the chance is very unlikely for someone to use such older outdated and abandoned OSes.
 * What has the majority of users using according to some random survey that you made up got to do with why we should allow voice clips that deserve a separate page? And Tsunami, opposing wouldn't mean that, it just means that it won't happen in the same detail given as the proposal states. I'm all for letting voice clips in, but a separate page, I'm not. -  07:48, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, the title says "Allow the upload of voice clips"... I thinked that support means can upload and oppose means can't upload. I probabily get it wrong.
 * The title states that, but the rules in the actual proposal say some things that I wouldn't agree with. -
 * @Ninelevendo and 'Shroom 64, What I mean by my point is that if someone were to be using an older PC with an outdated abandonware OS like say Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 and Windows 9X then it may be a problem since they could barely even browse the Wiki or have trouble with clip playback or something. Besides that will all depend on their internet connection and how shitty their PC is. This is barely the case since almost everyone uses a modern OS like Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 or Mac OS X versions 10.6 to 10.9 or any Linux distro. You see this lag thing would make perfect sense if someone were using Windows 2000, Me, 98 and NT 4.0 or 95. So is my point very clear. It think allowing voice clips on here wouldn't be a problem.
 * I agree, but the proposal states more than just allowing them. The idea of separate pages and a 2 second rule makes this proposal fail, but otherwise the idea behind it is great. - 08:34, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, OK, aside from the fact that I didn't see your comments before I wrote my oppose, assuming they were there, I get your point there, and I guess it won't inconvenience most if not all of our viewers and users. But as Ninelevendo just said, subpages aren't a good idea still. Having maybe a few on the main pages like we do with various soundtracks seems better of an idea to me.
 * OK. If we just change the rules and just allow the upload (no subpages) at all?

I like this idea...but having entire pages for this? I don't agree. What I DO agree with is using a selected voice clip to color personality sections with characters, so you know what they sound like. I think one voice clip per character on average would be great detailing personality. 20:54, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Makes sense. As for showing voices changing throughout the years, which also seems like a worthwhile reason to have them, I like Ghost Jam's suggestion of splicing many little clips together into a smaller number of more substantial clips that can all fit on the main page, once more avoiding the need for subpages. -
 * You know, I don't think it's too late to rewrite the proposal, since it's the third day. If you can, modify the rules to include the suggestions Baby Luigi and Walkazo put, remove the subpages and 2-sec limit, and then I'll move my vote.

Yeah, per Baby Luigi and Walkazo, but I think more than just one is better, like ~10 and also I guess they can be put in a place like for example: In Mario's article, in section "Media", have a subsection "Voice clips", or maybe a subsection to "Portrayals" or whatever and add several ogg files: "Tōru Furuya *insert years here*", "Lou Albano *also insert years here*", and so...-- 18:23, 25 August 2014 (EDT)