Talk:Larry Koopa

Is this article smallest or is just my impresion? McDimentio 11:36, 14 November 2007 (EST)
 * Do you scroll down? - 11:23, 14 November 2007 (EST)

ofc ¬¬ McDimentio 11:36, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Yes this article is long, not short. ~Black Ninjakoopa

Larry's blue star
For those who didn't notice it, here's a better view of it:

http://i36.tinypic.com/5p352e.png

It includes all the Koopalings, but I noticed the blue star more than the other pictures. - Smashgoom202

That's his birthmark. If you look at Morton's left eye you'll see his star shaped birthmark too! User:The real yoshi

Namesake
I was reading Italian Wikpedia (for... some reason) and on Bowser's article, Larry's name is attributed to Larry Mullen. I checked out the article, and decided it's a plausible idea, since both Larry and Mullen have mohawks... sort of. Thoughts? 15:20, 14 November 2009 (EST)

I suppose it's possible. I'd like to think that he is named after Mullen (I'm a U2 fanatic), but it would probably be best to get some non-wiki references to provide some support for your claim. Other articles on this wiki claim that he's named after a talk show host, so a little more reasearch would be best if you want to prove this argument. 18:35, 4 April 2010 (EST)

According to The Official Nintendo Magazine, Larry King is the namesake; this is the source that the English Wikipedia cites, and the Italian (and Spanish) versions of the page now name Larry King as the inspiration. - 17:57, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Skill
Have any of you noticed that Larry Koopa made it all the way from Dark Land to Grass Land and sucessfully invaded the supposed base of Princess Peach? My Question is would that mean that Larry would be one of the stronger Koopalings? 11:54, 16 January 2011 (EST)
 * Maybe, but it's not actually that straightforward (just look at the map for SAMB3: the lands are not actually in a linear order; and other games have completely different maps, if any at all). We also don't really know how well Peach's "base" is guarded, and we shouldn't make assumptions on the matter: a more objective way to measure the Koopalings' skills is looking at how tough they are in battle. However, Larry has been both the first boss and the last boss, depending on the game, so we can't really say anything for certain. It's best just to write about the cold hard facts and let the readers make their own comparisons; thought questions and deductions like this are best left for the forums. - 16:18, 16 January 2011 (EST)

Background Connection?
I don't know if anyone else saw this, but I couldn't help but notice that in the Koopaling boss fights in NSMBU, some of the backgrounds hinted at the Koopalings' personalities (for example, Lemmy has a circus background, Wendy has ribbons and hearts, and Iggy has a machinery-type background). Well, Larry's background was adorned by maps and compasses. Would this somehow connect with his personality? KrazyKoopalings
 * Maybe. It's definitely worth mentioning the background on the article (in the NSMBU section), but trying to infer anything about his personality based on that would be a bit too speculative, I'm afraid. - 16:33, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Voice
Is Larry using voice clips from Mario Kart 8 in Smash. I've watched gameplay of Smash 4 and I swear his voice cpips are from New Super Mario Bros. Wii.


 * It's possible. -- 21:07, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Mistranslation?
I decided to check Larry's trophy in the Japanese version of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS to try and find out if the official translation was accurate. Here is the exact phrase he's introduced with: 「クッパ7人衆のひとりでクッパ軍団の特攻隊長. 」 You might be able to tell it uses the same term from his appearance in the Mario Kart 8 video, but it's not quite the same thing as flatly stating he's "the leader of the Koopalings". In English, I'd say this should probably be more like: "Of the seven Koopalings, he is the sole leader of the Koopa Troop special forces." This might have been condensed for space constraints, but it's not directly saying that the Koopalings are the squad it's talking about, so maybe it's an unrelated group. It could be that he's instead supposed to be the equivalent of an instructor or drill sergeant for beginning Koopa recruits or something. It's a bit odd, though - lately, it seems as if Nintendo's trying their hardest to dance around the subject of what exactly the Koopalings are. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:21, 9 October 2014 (EDT)


 * I think making it consistent with the more succinct MK8 ｢クッパ軍団の特攻隊長」 ("Koopa army's special attack squad leader" (or "spec-ops leader", to use more colourful language)) description makes more sense than trying to read between the lines and interpret the Koopalings as being the special forces in question. Nintendo's always been pretty fast and loose with its continuity. Keeping stories straight would detract from the Mario whimsy or something, idk. - 15:54, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
 * I agree, and yeah, the Japanese translation clears things much better than the localization. 16:01, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
 * All right. In that case, I don't think there'll be any major objections if this "leader" business were moved somewhere else in the article closer to the Smash Bros. section rather than as part of Larry's main description, since it may have been applied hastily. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:04, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
 * What is interesting is that actually in every english translation of Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U the Koopalings are considered the "Koopa army's special attack squad", and the change in the US version doesn't deny this, but rather refers to another attribute (the age) which is clearly not the translation of the japanese term, so in my opinion also the new part of the Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U section about the Jumbotron screen should continue to have the possibilistic tone about the supposed translation mistake seen in the other sections. Mister Wu (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2014 (EST)


 * Out of curiosity, could you check also what is written about Larry in the jumbotron screen of the boxing ring of the japanese Super Smash Bros. for Wii U? The particular thing about Nintendo of Europe is that at least since the release of the Nintendo Gamecube the translations are usually based on the original japanese text rather than its translation in English done by Nintendo of America, therefore seeing this "mistranslation" also in the screen is quite surprising. Mister Wu (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2014 (EST)
 * I have found a video of Japanese Boxing Ring titles. Two of them, actually. For some reason, they don't show the Koopalings' aliases at all. I decided to do some searching and, well, if the comments I have seen are to be believed, the Koopalings actually share Bowser Jr.'s title, which translates into something like "Almighty Chariot", which seems to refer to the Clown Car than the Koopa piloting it. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 06:56, 25 December 2014 (EST)
 * It's now confirmed: the Koopalings and Junior have the same Boxing Ring titles. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 16:50, 26 January 2015 (EST)
 * Ok, without other information we cannot know whether it's a mistranslation or Larry is actually the leader of the Koopalings, so probably it's better just to have the possibilistic tone. Mister Wu (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2015 (EST)
 * Honestly, I think "Super Trooper of Bowser's Army" was the best official version of the phrase in question. As for Nintendo of Europe's localization generally being more accurate/literal translations - I believe that's become more circumstantial over time. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:49, 30 January 2015 (EST)

Frankly, this seems like desperate reaching. The term in question refers to him as tokkōtai-chō ("chō" being about as close to "leader" as you can get) of the "Kuppa Gundan", which, I believe, is also synonymous for Bowser's Minions (aka: the Koopalings). Now either this means he's the sole commando leader of Bowser's entire army (which doesn't seem QUITE right to me) or he's the leader of the Koopalings (the aforementioned "special attack unit", in this case, something I believe they have indeed been referred to as). Either way, it's impossible to misinterpret "chō" as meaning anything other than him being the leader of SOMETHING. It's not a mistranslation. It's a matter of interpretation. Fizzle (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
 * I think that's the overall conclusion - he's certainly supposed to be a leader of something (aren't all the Koopalings?), but it's not made explicit what. It just seems at the moment that Nintendo of Europe and Nintendo of America choose to interpret it in separate ways, and there is a general preference to the latter whenever there are significant differences on the same subject. On that note, Koopa-gundan refers to the Koopa Troop - it's definitely the same term used in Super Mario RPG, and I think it was also in place of "Bowser Baddies" in Mario & Luigi. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2015 (EDT)

Finally a source that states that Larry is Bowser's favourite Koopaling?
I noticed that on page 20 of the Nintendo Power Super Mario World Guide Larry is referred as Bowser's number one Koopaling. Could this be another source that states that Larry is Bowser's favourite Koopaling? Or, even more worrisome, that he already had an important role among the Koopalings since Super Mario World? Mister Wu (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

The 30th anniversary books' bios of Larry Koopa
Here are the bios from the 30th anniversary books, along with a very approximate translation. It must be noted that Larry's name is always ラリー which means that the surname is not present.

Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.

Characters' page bio

クッパ七人衆のひとり. クッパ軍団の特攻隊長.

''One of the Koopalings. The leader of the Koopa Troop's spec-ops squad.''

Super Mario Bros. 3 enemies section

W1のボス. ときおりジャンプをしながら、 魔法を放って攻撃してくる.

''Boss of World 1. Sometimes, while he jumps he shoots magic [fireballs].''

Super Mario World enemies section

魔王クッパの谷のボス. 溶岩からバブルが飛び出す浮島で戦うことになる.

''Boss of the Valley of Sorcerer King/Demon King Bowser. He will fight on a floating island with bubbles [Lava bubbles in English] coming out of the lava.''

New Super Mario Bros. Wii enemies section

W1のボス. 大きくジャンプしながら移動し、魔法を放ってくる.

''Boss of World 1. While moving with big jumps, he shoots magic [fireballs].''

New Super Mario Bros. 2 enemies section

Wのボス. 放つ魔法は、壁 や床で跳ね返る性質を持つ.

''Boss of World. The magic [fireballs] he shoots bounce off walls and the floor.''

New Super Mario Bros. U enemies section

ミントしょとうのボス. ジャンプで移動して魔法を放ってくる.

''Boss of Sparkling Waters. Moves with jumps and shoots magic [fireballs].''

Super Mario Memorial Book

序盤のボスとして登場することが多い. 初登場時は牙が4本だったが、現在は2本だ.

''Often appeared as an early boss. In his first appearance he had 4 fangs, now he has 2.''

As always, suggestion and correction in the translation are welcome, as well as suggestion of what to put in the article and where. --Mister Wu (talk) 08:35, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Dayvv Brooks and Larry's namesake
An anon removed the info about Larry Muller Jr. being Larry's namesake. This info was added by Dayvv Brooks himself in our wiki, so this should take precedence over pretty much anything else. However this anon cited another statement by Dayvv Brooks claiming that neither Larry King nor Larry Mullen Jr. was an inspiration. What are we to do about this apparent contradiction? Should we mention both statements? Dig a little deeper? 10:59, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * I see that Glowsquid added both references. This seems like the only sensible thing to do at the moment (I probably should have been bold and do it myself). But honestly this seems bizarre. I can understand Nintendo changing the official story, but this is a case of somebody claiming two opposite things. In my opinion this is worth investigating a little bit further. Does anyone know how to contact Brooks? 12:13, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * A message on his talk page could be, as he didn't confirm his email. -- 12:15, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * I'll try that. He is not currentmy active, but it's still worth a shot! 12:56, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * Since he didn't confirm his email, he won't get an alert that the talk page is changed, and I really doubt he'd ever check back randomly, so that's almost certainly a waste of time. - 17:09, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * Would it be possible to contact the writer from Kotaku who interviewed him? He probably has a way to contact Dayvv.
 * I actually have his email address already (two, actually), from when he was confirming his identity to the admins. I was already planning on running it by the other admins that we email him (using the official staff account) if we really wanna get to the bottom of this. Personally, tho, I feel like the original Larry Mullen Jr. story that he went well out of his way to tell us is much more solid than the new anecdote: why name every Koopaling (plus Reznor, come SMW) after folks, but then go "nah" for the last one? And why go to all the trouble to tell us it was Larry Mullen Jr. when it was just a made-up name all along? It makes little sense. - 17:31, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * You pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter. I won't try to message Brooks on his talk page immediately. 18:04, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * Of course, if he made an account for these two purposes (Reznor and Larry) it is very strange at best that 3 years later he retracts. Still, as the whole "Koopalings as Bowser's children" story teaches, much retraction nonsense from Nintendo is surrounding the Koopalings, so I would say that an official reconfirmation is pretty much needed now, also because the later interview is usually what counts for many people.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2015 (EST)
 * "You can reach the author of this post at patrick.klepek@kotaku.com or on Twitter at @patrickklepek." 18:04, 30 December 2015 (EST)

Quote
I think the quote at the top of the page should be changed to "Ahaaaaaaaaa! I love the smell of impending doom! It was my henchmen who hijacked this train, and it'll be my henchmen who...keep the train, uh...hijacked."

- Larry Koopa -- 02:48, 26 November 2016 (EST)
 * Could you please clarify why you think this one is better than the current one. 02:49, 26 November 2016 (EST)
 * It's easily understood out of context. The current quote alludes to some situation that the reader can't see. This one shows Larry starting off with a good monologue before slamming on the breaks when he can't think of the right word.-- 02:59, 26 November 2016 (EST)
 * That is a pretty good side of the argument there. Let's just wait and get other users opinions before taking action. 03:08, 26 November 2016 (EST)
 * I don'think the new quote is that good either, we should choose a quote that presents the character or well describe his personality.--Mister Wu (talk) 05:31, 26 November 2016 (EST)
 * I can't tell if you like the Color Splash quote or not, but if not, how about this one:

"You grill a mean steak, Mario. You should have been a chef! At least that way, you would’ve had a nice long culinary experience. But instead, I’m gonna cook you up a tuna-fist sandwich before we get to Starlight Cape!"

- Larry Koopa


 * I've seen te various sentences in both Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam and Paper Mario: Color Splash and I don't know how much of the character they present, I mean I tend to see them as being as informative as "Right behind you, Brother!", in that this simple sentence tells us that he wants to follow his brother Ludwig's moves, summarizing what he does in both M&LPJ and in the victory animations of the 3DS version of Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (and in both games you can indeed see that he also gets dizzy after spinning like his brother, reinforcing the connection)... speaking of the latter, if we go with the Wii U version we actually also have this sentence: "Heya! I'm Larry, and I'm here to root for King Bowser. I actually wanted to just hang with friends, but he's the king, ya know? What's a Koopaling gonna do? Still, I can't complain - I've been having a blast here in Rio. Wish I'd had a chance to fix this crazy hair of mine before going out though...". It tells us a bit about him (what he wants to do, his current relationship with Bowser and his care for his hair that he considers crazy), but since it mentions Rio, I don't know if it would fit well.


 * Anyway, the sentences from PMCS out of context aren't much more understandable, in that the reader who enters the page probably does not know the story of the Sunset Express and what happened before these sentences, so in my opinion this is not an appropriate criterion. I think we should instead try to understand how much of Larry's personality we can deduce from the quotes (as an example, Iggy's current quote is “Lemmy! That was…CRAZY! Bahaha!”; you cannot really understand the context, but you can see Iggy's craziness and special brotherly relationship with Lemmy).--Mister Wu (talk) 19:01, 26 November 2016 (EST)

Probably Switched Quotes
I dont think that Larry said that Ludwig was his backup, I think it was Ludwig that said that. Killer (talk) 16:43, October 17, 2019 (EDT)

I think Ludwig said that Larry was his backup. Killer (talk) 16:44, October 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's actually a correct transcription of the dialogue. As in the other quote, "Fine! But I’m doing it of my own free will, not because you’re some kind of leader...", the dialogue portrays Larry as someone who doesn't always consider Ludwig to be his leader, when the battles begin though he ends up calling him boss and following him.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:54, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Larry Koopa's age
So, not sure how good of a source you all would consider this. But I was talking to Michelle Hippe in DMs and she told me she when she was auditioning for doing Larry Koopa's voice, she was asked to make gibberish talk like a 13-year-old boy. However, if this isn't a very valid source, then I understand, considering it isn't Nintendo flat out saying Larry is 13, heheh, I'm sorry for starting this, I'm just really excited and happy about this! I'm also pretty happy I accurately guessed that (specifically I guessed "somewhere between 11 and 14 years old" which was my range she was talking about) based entirely on the way Larry is written in the RPGs (Color Splash, Minion Quest and Bowser Junior's Journey) and Mario and Sonic. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:02, November 8, 2020 (EST)
 * Sorry but we don't use that sort of thing as a valid source. It has to come from official Nintendo material for it to be accepted here.
 * Information from the voice actors is definitely accepted here. Plus, Mario Kart Tour confirmed that the Koopalings are older than Bowser Jr.. My only question is if Michelle Hippe confirms the information and is fine with the DM being published - a source that is then quickly redacted ot outright removed might be problematic.--Mister Wu (talk) 08:44, November 8, 2020 (EST)
 * Ah heck, I didn't think about that I just got really excited and acted without thinking, should I ask her if she's okay with that? (If not, I remove the DM screenshot from Twitter, but I did ask her that so that I can use the information in LarryDS, which I made clear when asking her about it) Also, Bowser Junior's Journey also confirmed the Koopalings are older than Bowser Junior. (Or more like heavily implied it) Actually, I'll probably go ahead and ask her if she's okay with the DM being used as a source on the Mario wiki as well (I'll say I got excited and told the Mario wiki about the DM, I know she's okay with it being used for source in LarryDS because that was the original question because I wanted to put a number on his age in LarryDS, just like I am doing for his height, making his height 78.7cm which is based on calcs with Mario and Sonic because I gave up trying to get the answer from Super Mario Odyssey and Origami King's Monster Fish seems to make Paper Mario to scale with Paper Jam Mario where Paper Jam Mario was basically the size of Mario and Sonic Mario, but that's besides anything, heheh... I don't want to use sources I'm unsure of, so that's one of the reasons I'm so obsessed with getting all this correct, lol) Also "Sorry, but we don't use that sort of thing as a valid source. It has to come from official Nintendo material for it to be accepted here." Says a person on the wiki that lists Mario's height as 150cm based on a large figure, lol... (Literally all I need left is to be able to do this kind of thing in relation to Mario's height, lol) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:10, November 8, 2020 (EST)
 * Never be rude toward people, plus I already addressed the point that was made. I definitely think that asking Michelle Hippe is appropriate before posting and citing a DM, she's talking about her professional life.--Mister Wu (talk) 15:46, November 8, 2020 (EST)
 * The "says you" thing was a joke, lol, sorry if that came off as rude. And yeah, I think it'd be appropriate to ask her as well. I jokingly said that but I can see how you saw it as rude. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:57, November 8, 2020 (EST)

(RE) Larry Koopa's age
Michelle Hippe told me she is okay with the DM being used on here, so that's awesome! And when it does get documented, should "Larry Koopa's age" have a similar section of it's own like "Wario's Nationality" talking about the DM conversation and how Michelle Hippe said that she was specifically asked to talk gibberish like a 13 year old boy, or would "Larry Koopa is 13 years old[citation]" just be added somewhere into one of the already existing sections of Larry's wiki page? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 11:39, November 9, 2020 (EST)
 * Considering that it would only be a few sentences at best, I don't think an entire section is necessary. However, I would suggest against specifically saying Larry is 13. It's never said in the DMs that Larry is actually 13, only that his actress was told to voice him like he was 13, and it should be worded very carefully to reflect that. -- 12:10, November 9, 2020 (EST)
 * Ah yes, of course, that only makes sense, heheh. I would say if she was asked to talk gibberish like a 13 year old boy, then that is likely their vision for his age, however, it is important to reflect the way the actual source is written as opposed to going off the rails of trustworthy (kinda like the Mario statue goes off the rails of trustworthy- okay I'll stop with that) as this is just they asked her to voice him like a 13 year old rather than him being outright stated as 13. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:13, November 9, 2020 (EST)

Cheatsy Koopa
Hello… why does my edit was detel ? Larry is the second oldest in cartoon but the youngest in games 90.3.147.74 10:50, March 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * Do you have proof for this? 12:12, March 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * Well… that the actual canon, Larry is the youngest in video games and the second oldest in cartoons 90.22.240.13 09:19, March 30, 2022 (EDT)

That Super Mario World German Guide
Heya, so I added to the fourth point in Trivia how the source isn't a good source because the same source claims Lemmy Koopa to be the youngest even though Larry canonically is, and my edit got reverted for being an "informal unnecessary comment" but I disagree. I feel like this is worth noting. Is there a more formal way of letting people know that the German Guidebook isn't a canon-accurate source? Because obviously I can't really type "formal" or "professional" at all, and I personally don't want users to come to this wiki, look at the fourth trivial bullet point, look at the source, find the part claiming Lemmy to be the youngest, and then say Lemmy is the youngest because it was in a source referenced by the Mario wiki, even though he factually is not, because Larry is the youngest.

--GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:40, October 9, 2022 (EDT)GoldyFish110
 * It's not our job to tell people which sources are "accurate", since that's subjective anyway (see Canonicity, Nintendo hasn't established a clear canon so all licensed material is on the same tier). All we can do is provide the information and note discrepancies where they appear. -- 18:27, October 19, 2022 (EDT)