MarioWiki:Main Page talk archive 10

New Features
So much to say! I'll add more as I see them. 18:53, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Special:EditCount – available to everyone and counts all edits, giving a breakdown by namespace.
 * Special:Patrol – Only to sysops & patrollers, goes through an edit diff one by one and gives you the options to accept, revert, or skip it.
 * Special:Chat – The biggie. The chat is now accessed through the wiki. It's on the sidebar if you haven't noticed yet.
 * MediaWiki Version: 1.8.2 &rarr; 1.10.0. New features:
 * On recent changes, +/- # of bytes that were added or removed to the size of the page is now seen. Total size of article in each revision seen in history page.
 * When protecting a page (sysops only), option to make the protection expire at a certain point, or use "cascading protection": all pages linked to the protected page will also be protected.
 * When a new article is created, and an edit summary is not specified, the default is the first 100 or so characters of the article.

Cool. Not that I can use Special:Patrol....grumble....grumble....


 * Teh new features are FTW! Great Gonzo

Yup. Except the chat is stupid now. 22:07, 13 May 2007 (EDT)


 * How is it stupid, its more under control.

A chat under control is stupid. Chats were made to be free.


 * Then make a seprate room... Great Gonzo

So, Special:Patrol just takes the most recent page edited and let you see the difference? Is there a way to choose which pages you wish to see? -- Chris 01:48, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * So far I don't think you can control what pages are seen, and I got pages starting from May 9th. 18:34, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I understand what the practical use of such a feature is, I just don't understand how we are to utilize it. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:41, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

It makes it feel like Wikia. Not that that's a bad thing.

Short Articles
Um can't we merged short articles to longer articles such as Apple For example?Cause with short articles like this it doesn't look good.

FAs
Uh,I dont like the idea of cancelling the FAs and I dont care if the new enforced article standard will be, but I liked it better when we had FAs nomination,Then who's idea is to cancelled it?Any comments?
 * Mine and Wayoshi. Apparently, no one was following the standards set up on THIS Wiki. - A Link to the Past 14:17, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

What does it mean by peer review?--

You know what Mr.Past? you simply irritate me.

And not only that, but your negative comments here annoy me as well.
 * Does it look like I care? You're complaining because articles not up to THIS Wiki's standards were labelled as such. Get over it. - A Link to the Past 15:45, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * While I may not know what you look like, you need to tone down the attitude. You can be constructive without being condescending. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 01:41, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

I'll cite one thing. Standard #3 on the FA list says "no point of view". All the FA articles had a biased POV. 15:48, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Meh,you dont simply understand do you?But do this all have to go your way?
 * I do. A featured article implies that the article follows all criterias, and is great as a result. None do. - A Link to the Past 15:51, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Alttp about the FA nomination. Every article about a somehat major specie/character was nominated, even thought they we're far from being up to FA standard. iit was like everyone looked at the number of paragraph and picture, rather than the content itself. Gofer

Okay fine then arguments over and case closed.


 * There was alot bias votes, that I've noticed.

That for sure, most vote were'nt because of the quality itself, but rather because the voter liked/disliked the character, argument we're mostly ignored. Gofer


 * Yes, not to point fingers, but many were bias and we did nothing about it. Great Gonzo

A lot of articles were getting nominated recently, for no apparent support reasons. So, I guess I'm O.K. with it. Whats the new system? - Ultimatetoad

Peer review, you ask someone to review an article that you think is FA worthy, that what I think. Gofer

Which is pretty much what we did before. Can we submit a past FA for a review? 19:41, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

With only about 25ish active users and only a handful of articles that are really noteworthy, bias is going to happen. FAs are a bad idea for a wiki focusing on such a broad subject. -- Chris 21:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Super Abilities and Super Strikes
An editor wrongly redirected Super Abilities, which are special captain moves in Mario Strikers Charged, to Super Strikes, which are completely different moves in Super Mario Strikers. I have deleted the redirect, but I cannot delete the page. Could someone either write more in that space or delete it, please? --Stumpers
 * Done. In the future, just mark it for deletion and will be deleted when a Sysops gets around to it. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 01:46, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Thanks. How do I mark it? User:Stumpers
 * Type Great Gonzo
 * Thanks, GG. And than you for stoping the carnage back there on the MSC article ;) --User:Stumpers

Announcement relating to the merging of articles.
It has been decided that before an article may be merged, it must be discussed on the discussion page with a merge template placed on the article. - A Link to the Past 22:56, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
 * This.....is how we normally do things....-- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 01:42, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Except that merges are actually possible now that we have a policy. - A Link to the Past 02:14, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I hope we don't go merge happy <:( --User:Stumpers

Linking to Peer Reviews
I request putting a link to Peer Reviews in the Wiki Stuff section of the Main Page. - Cobold
 * Done. Someone could spruce up the description, though. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 12:07, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

"Sudden" Change -- Oligarchy? Rash movement? I feel I am to blame.
For those who don't know, an oligarchy is a community ruled by a few powerful figures.

I emailed one of our fondest contributors, Son of Suns, and tried to convince him to return. The following are excerpts from the reply, which I think are important for everyone to read.

"I feel like the wiki is becoming the voice of the few, not the many. I was not even contacted about FAs, even though I wrote like half of them. Where is the community involvement?...We built up so much, but it just got torn down. I don't feel appreciated, and I am ready to move on...I know a lot of FA nominations were poor, but they were shot down before they could become FAs...Why the sudden change? Most of our articles attempt neutrality - but we are a wiki about a video game series. Is Yoshi not a hero? Is Bowser not villainous? They are opinions, but opinions created by Nintendo...The wiki seems to be out of the community's control and in the hands of one or two influential voices. A lot of new merging has also soured my image of the wiki. I believe that any officially named creation is worthy of an article...but the wiki is now finding a philosophy I don't care for. I just don't want to be a part of it anymore." This raises a lot of concerns for me personally and us.
 * I feel terrible now that I only mainly consulted ALttP in FA removal. It was not fair to the community, and I feel I am now partly responsible for SoS's departure.
 * Suddenly ALttP & I are doing everything the last week. I am going to make sure everything is approved by the community first before doing anything more. Expect a list of proposed things on a MarioWiki:Proposals page soon.
 * Should we have an article for every official named thing in the Marioverse, or is the new way right, to merge minor things into a list?

In the end, I'm afraid we have lost one of our best members. I don't want it to happen again to another big contributor in the future, so while we are still going to change, the community as a whole will have to approve each of these changes one by one so that the wiki has what it wants. This includes a possible reversal of peer reviews and lost FAs, as the community did not decide this, I did.

That is all. Leave comments as you wish. Again, I apologize for unfair actions. 15:29, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

That was 8'( sad. But it's true. so true.

I wouldn't blame Wayoshi for that but ALTTP maybe...

ITS ALTTP FAULT! GANG UP ON HIM!

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You thought I was serious? The problem is that both side of the argument don't try to discuss and reject the blame on eachother. Some change are good, other... not so much. We should discuss about the change and see which are good, and which are not. Gofer

Gofer please stay calm.

I am calm, you don't understand joke, do you? Gofer

The "debate" about the name of Mario striker is one of the most balblant exemple of the collapse of this wiki. Idiot toddler whining at each other, without trying to bring an argument. TH FR TH MMR...

I know. It was pathetic. There was so much good going down with that article. Sure, there were a few fights over it, but overall, we had something cool there that I like about this Wiki. But that flame war was pathetic. Like toddlers, as you say. I hope I didn't seem like that to anyone. --Stumpers

Attention
I think that we all should remain calm and we all be friends here not foes.

The best way we can go about achieving that goal is to place big decisions, such as removal of information, merges, name changes, etc, into the hands of the Wiki-democracy. Y'know... a vote on the talk page with a set amount of time, like 2 days or something... before making the change. --Stumpers