Talk:Thorny flower

Official name?-- 16:17, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, I don't know if that's the official name. That's just the name that appeared on the enemies list on the Super Mario Galaxy page.  I should probably add that conjecture template. - Smashgoom202 14:28, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Same with thefake Block

Decide on a name for this article
This doesn't need to be a proposal. As mentioned in the comments, "thorny flower" is the in-game name, which takes priority over the guides.

Seeing the tag on this page, I think we should decide on the name of this page. I have no preference either way, but I think we should probably look into this.


 * The in-game description for the Mario Party: Island Tour calls these things "thorny flowers". The selling points are that the name is in-game and is the most recent, but the drawback is that it's more of a descriptor term than an actual name, though at least it's not a lengthy descriptor unlike, say, "flowers with sharp spikes".
 * Page 187 of the Super Mario 3D Land Prima guide calls them "thistles". While it's less of a lengthy descriptor, it has the disadvantage of being a name from a guide, and also is less recent.

I'm fine with either decision that's made.

Proposer: Deadline: March 13, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Stick with "Thorny flower"

 * 1) If it's not capitalized, we should search for a name in the Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guides. I wonder what are both Japanese names for both normal and big.
 * 2) I think "thorny flower" describes their appearance in more recent games better than "thistle."
 * 3) Current name is perfectly fine. Inline tag isn't necessary, we require it when the source is like the wildly inaccurate Prima guides or Smash Bros. trophy descriptions.
 * 4) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 5) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 6) I removed the better source needed tag because the source is already convenient enough

Comments
Given that Mario Party: Island Tour is a more recent source, Prima guides are unreliable, and that ingame names almost always take precedence, it doesn't matter what the Prima guides say what these obstacles are, it'll still keep the "thorny flower" name. 16:35, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Since the Prima guide can still be used as a source, I added the "thristle" name in the Mario 3D Land section, but it needs a page number. 20:00, 27 February 2019 (EST)
 * Toadette the Achiever mentioned the page number in the proposal, so I added the page number. 20:08, 27 February 2019 (EST)
 * I didn't see, sorry. 20:13, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Um...
Naming says, "Please note that regardless of the source, the official North American name takes priority, followed by the first international English name if no North American name is available, and finally the first international non-English name if no English name is known. For example, if a subject is given a name in-game in the Japanese version only, and not in the English localization of the game, but an English strategy guide names it, that English name is used, rather than the Japanese." So even though thorny flower is an in-game name, thistle should be the name. This is because thorny flower is PAL exclusive and Prima is North American. 22:21, 27 February 2019 (EST)
 * Yes, but in the order of naming list, in game name overrules the guide name. 22:25, 27 February 2019 (EST)
 * "Regardless of the source". The way I am interrupting it, the guide should take priority over in-game name in this case since it is "the official North American name". Another proof that helps me believe this is the what should be done is that this comes immediately after the list of acceptable names and it says "Please note" at the beginning. 22:47, 27 February 2019 (EST)