Template talk:Construction

This template was originally designed to excuse the incompleteness of a MarioWiki or Help page that was part of a Project (even a PipeProject was tagged for a day). I remember tagging Pipe Plaza, The 'Shroom, Help:Userbox, and one PipeProject before. The category, I agree, we can live without, but this is not for normal articles that are unfinished (and thus stubbed for another contributor to take up). Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 02:03, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

Incompleteness
When I look through most of articles with this template on, most say "we hope to have this article completed in no defined time" and some have been left on articles for more than a month. I understand that these kinds of articles take a long time to finish but is it right to leave this template on an article and keep procrastinating about "how you'll do it later"? As Wayoshi said above, maybe we should use this only for MarioWiki pages. What do you guys think? 14:38, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Template Change
The template would look better like this:

 This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it's being worked on. We hope to have it completed.

-- Bryce   Wilson  &#124;  talk  05:00, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
 * The two templates are identical...from what I can see, the only difference is that you've edited the image to appear on the left, when appearing on the left is the default anyways (in this case). I don't think this change is necessary.
 * K, thanks for your opinion. -- Bryce   Wilson  &#124;  talk  08:00, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Actually, if your computer screen's narrow and the text doesn't fit in one line, in the current template the next line starts underneath the image, whereas this version has the text line up next to the image, which is an improvement. Of course, I feel like the best thing to do would be to simply remove the image: imo, the gif does nothing but make the template more of a distracting eyesore for the article saddled with it... - 21:17, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

GIF
I think the GIF looked great! I don't see why it was be removed.

Because it was annoying? -- Super FA MI CO M™ 64 (Talk - Contribs) 09:15, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Quite possibly...

Keeping the Mario hammer gif
OPPOSE 4-14

Forgive me if you don't agree, but I think the Construction Template should be left as it was, with the on the left. The admins has dubbed it unnessesary, but I just don't agree with this particular decision. Yes, it is unnessesary, but it should be left there for purely decorative and nostalgic purposes. I was once viewing an article with a Construction Template, and I was at home. My Dad walked past and looked over my shoulder, and he instantly recognised the gif from the first Mario game Donkey Kong. So, you see, that gif reflects a great part of Mario's history, and whoever originally had the idea to put it on one of the most widly used maintinence template on the Wiki was really smart. so, if you agree, please support me in bringing back the gif so it's there to stay! Thanks :)

Proposer: Deadline: March 5, 2012, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal
 * 2) I don't really care what the proposal say, but I do enjoy that gif on the construction template.
 * 3) I liked the gif. It added a Mario touch to the template.
 * 4) It's a good way of saying an article's under construction.

Oppose

 * 1) IMO, I don't really like the GIF. I wouldn't mind if it was a static image, but the GIF is certainly distracting. It also screws up the text in lower resolution computers if the text exceeds to two lines which really bothers me. I have to agree with the administrators that it was an "unnecessary" change and it looks better without the gif.
 * 2) It is an unnecessary image that makes the template look unprofessional. Its removal was a joint decision.
 * 3) - I actually ran removing the GIF by the other admins before I took it off, and I alluded to that in my edit summary, so marketing this TPP as if it was just me deeming it unnecessary and taking it out as I saw fit isn't fair. Multiple admins agreed to removing the GIF, with reasons ranging from "annoying" to "unprofessional" and, of course, the "unnecessary" criticism - all of which I agree with (I just put the one down, assuming that'd be a sufficient summary). Like BLOF, I also find it distracting and have been bothered by the ill-formatted text wrapping for months as well (although to be fair, that could be fixed using the forgotten formatting drafted by B.wilson above, but the issues with the GIF itself still stand). Notice templates are tools, not banners, and the goal is to get the construction template off the article as soon as possible: it's not supposed to be pretty or fun, it's supposed to be a garish orange motivator to get pages written faster.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) - I have no problem with having Mario images on wiki templates and such, but I find gifs like that to be gaudy and annoying.
 * 7) Per all, especially Mario4Ever and Walkazo.
 * 8) Per All. I also find it to look ugly.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) It looks dumb and unprofessional on a template that is used as often as this one. Plus, the hammer is bigger than his head. What's up with that? Per all.
 * 11) Per Glowsquid. Have a image, non-animated.
 * 12) I would rather have a picture that is not animated (with my ADHD, the picture is murderous to my focus) than no picture at all (so I disagree with Walkazo somewhat. Hey, I like illustrations. I don't want this wiki to be boring and tasteless.) I want to see if the template I created below is better, though, because we can definitely go with that for those who would love a picture.
 * 13) Per all. It is not needed.
 * 14) It's pretty unnecessary and distracting. It didn't look very good either.

Comments
Since the proposal was reworded, I slashed out the part of my vote that concerned that aspect of the proposal. - 09:49, 21 February 2012 (EST)
 * Awesome!

It's a little late in the proposal, but I hope it wouldn't hurt if we included a properly resized stationary image from the sprite sheet in http://www.mfgg.net/index.php?act=resdb&param=02&c=1&id=4279. I don't see why we have to nix the picture altogether. It's just a little suggestion. 23:30, 22 February 2012 (EST)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad98/MarioBabyLuigi/overconstruction.png

What do you think? I hope this isn't distracting enough to annoy users but the picture is enough to please those that want a bit of illustration in these templates. And yes, I mentioned a lot earlier that the GIF is a major distraction. 23:42, 22 February 2012 (EST)
 * LGM, I use a higher resolution computer so I don't know what I really looks like but I like it so far. It looks better than the one with the GIF

That one looks better than the current one. I think we should have that one. SuperPaperFan
 * Me to! I actually think that one looks better than the one I am proposing for! --

Nice job LGM, I like it. We should use this one. If there were a third option to use this version, that would be my vote.
 * Good! I've always wanted to use this sprite instead of the current one because I liked it much more. Too bad I don't have the privileges to do so. 21:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 * The only problem with that is the Construction template isn't meant to be admired because its sole function is to remind users to finish an article and then remove the template, so there's not much point in adorning it with anything.
 * It doesn't mean we have to nix altogether, though. If you really want it, we can remove the Bob-omb in the delete template, the Mario head in the stub template, the picture in the lastwarn template, etc. What I like about the pictures, though, is that it adds a Mario feel to the templates, and as the lastwarn's case, it just looks better with it. 22:27, 23 February 2012 (EST)

I agree. This is the MARIO wiki after all. That picture is better than no picture at all. SuperPaperFan


 * I've changed stuff in the proposal, so if you like the new design, please vote in the new section!
 * Sorry, but you can't change the proposal at this point, since it's been up for four days, and changes can only happen within the first three days (see Rule 12). Instead, you can wait and make another proposal a month after the end of this one, or you can request for an admin to cancel this proposal so that you can make a new three-option proposal right away. - 09:52, 24 February 2012 (EST)

Create a parameter for "article" and "section"
Honestly (and this is just my opinion), I think there should be a separate parameter for article-wide and section-wide construction. If you don't understand me, please read on.

Like, if the editor just types, it would look like this:

 This article is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it's being worked on. We hope to have it completed.

Or, if the editor types, it would look like this:

 This section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it's being worked on. We hope to have it completed.

Feel free to take a vote as well. SuperLeaf1 ( Raccoon/Fox ) 18:32, 26 January 2014 (EST)


 * Oh yeah, I almost forgot, there also be templates, categories, etc. that fit this proposal. Smb3_super_leaf.png SuperLeaf1 SuperleafNSMB2.png ( Raccoon/Fox ) 18:39, 26 January 2014 (EST)

Proposal: Reconsidering Adding an Image to This Template
This is my first proposal, so here goes...

Back in 2011-2012, people were considering adding an image to this template, similar to the delete template. I think this is a great idea, and since the mandatory wait time is over, I wish to bring this topic up again.

Here is what I think should be the new look of the construction template:



I also changed "it is being worked on" to "it is being worked on." Contractions simply are not encyclopedic, though they are great elsewhere.

Proposer: Deadline: January 25, 2015, at 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) The image looks great aesthetically, and is not distracting in any way. The Pickaxe also fits the theme of this template. The contraction also deserves to be removed, due to this being an encyclopedia, which requires formal speech. Also, to those who say it is superfluous, I believe a little creativity and style is beneficial for notice templates like these. Just because these templates will be removed soon does not mean they have to look boring, Adding bright images is one way to brighten up these templates.
 * 2) Per Andymii.
 * 3) Looks pretty nice, not too distracting. Would be a nice thing to add on the template.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Madz makes a good point: Bulbapedia though we are not, the "unprofessional" distinction seems a tad arbitrary to me. # I disagree with Walkazo entirely with the part about consistency and that notice templates are tools: it would be nice to embellish Mario-related stuff into our notice templates since we're a MarioWiki after all. It's not unreasonable for a wiki concerning a subject that children enjoy to have some cute or playful embellishments. Saying that those templates have no images isn't the strongest example to make since we have  with a Bob-omb,  with a Bullet Bill, and  with Mario's head, so it's not a consistency problem. I don't see the argument to further strip the wiki of every little fun or illustrative element in the name of "professionalism" as valid, like removing the cherry on top of the cake because it doesn't look like it's professionally made. Even tools have aesthetically pleasing design to them or some embellishments. If this proposal passes, I suggest adding images to the other improvement templates as well to main the Mario theme and the consistency. Function over style, yes, but it's better to have some style. Images aren't superfluous, they make the wiki more aesthetically pleasing, even if the templates are meant to be ugly and removed.
 * 6) It looks awesome. Per All.
 * 7) This is better aesthetically but still glaring enough to want to be removed.
 * 8) Per all, it looks better now and I changed my mind.
 * 9) Per Andymii
 * 10) It looks nice. The pickaxe gives it a more current look and it is good that the contraction has been fixed.
 * 11) Per Andymii

Oppose

 * 1) I don't like it.
 * 2) - The image is unnecessary and inconsistent with most other notice templates ( and, , , the  family including , etc.).  works differently (i.e. it's white and goes at the bottom) so it's not fully comparable, and frankly I'd be fine with removing the ill-formatted image from  (and maybe recolouring it red or something as a different way to stand out) if the alternative is superfluous images added everywhere else. As I said in the last proposal, notice templates are tools, not banners: they're not supposed to be fun, they're supposed to be removed as soon as possible. Other wikis may do it, but I still think the templates look better without images, especially when viewed on wider screens, and the fact that not one design manages to look presentable for the various resolutions is all the more reason to keep the template simple and clean for everyone.
 * 3) Poor quality which makes it look unprofessional.
 * 4) Per Walkazo, the improvement tags aren't really meant to be looked at in a "fun" way. Personally I'd be fine with the removal of images on the notice templates that currently have them. And my laptop the image exceeds the boundaries of the template, which makes it look unprofessional.
 * 5) Honestly I think the Pickaxe looks even worse than the Rocky Wrench. Plus it still doesn't match the other templates.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) With Bulbapedia's template, it looks perfect enough to add a Diglett to the template because the template itself is good. But with this template, it just isn't good enough for pictures. I know; it should look ugly so it can be removed. Well, I wouldn't say that because people want to remove perfect characters from their stories, and this is the same. We don't care how perfect it is. We will still remove it anyway. However, a picture in templates like these is like Mario turning into Call of Duty. It just doesn't fit very well.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per myself in the comments section. I also suggest we should remove the other images that cause this much aesthetic ugliness in the delete and new stub templates unless they are formatted in a much more presentable way.
 * 10) I still fundamentally disagree with Walkazo, but the current template's structure needs to be tweaked so it can actually look good in all resolutions. The writing, the length of the box, no we can't really have images without leaving giant spaces or single words hanging on the next line.
 * 11) This actually looks unprofessional after thinking this over properly; the image is too close to the text and there's a gaping hole to the right. In other words, everything's uneven.
 * 12) Per Walkazo.

Comments
I'm pretty neutral on this, I want an image for this template, but I don't want it a Rocky Wrench.
 * Is there a specific image you'd like to have? Megamario15 - The REAL Mario (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2015 (EST)

Depending on if this proposal gets passed or not, I might want to later make the contraction problem a proposal of its own. Andymii (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2015 (EST)
 * That's a possibility. Please explain. Megamario15 - The REAL Mario (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2015 (EST)
 * What I mean is that the contraction and the image are technically two separate issues. If this proposal gets passed, both issues will be fixed; if it does not, I want to still give fixing the contraction issue itself a second chance. I hope I was clear with my wording this time. Andymii (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2015 (EST)
 * Just ask a sysop to change the contraction, I guess. Such a minor change doesn't need a proposal, really now. 19:46, 11 January 2015 (EST)

It might be too late in the process, but this might look better than the Rocky Wrench (now I look at it, that picture is somewhat low on quality):



This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it is being worked on. We hope to have it completed.

What do you guys think? We might want to consider this one too. Unfortunately, I do not think there is a way to change a proposal at this stage. Andymii (talk) 17:22, 12 January 2015 (EST)

I also really want to get the pick axe a few pixels lower, but do not know how. Andymii (talk)

You just change the 40 with a lower number. At least, that works for me. Just try to experiment on different numbers to get it to fit.

Also, with the pictures in the banners thing, you guys are making little to no sense. The deletion tag has a Bomb-omb, so does that make that tag unprofessional? What about the stub tag with the Mario head on it? What about the wikis that do add pictures to their tags like Bulbapedia, also known as the best website for Pokemon information? Are we calling those unprofessional? I mean, I'm perfectly fine with Bulbapedia's Diglett and Kabuto, so why can't we just change the template so it can fit a picture? Madz the Penguin (talk) 18:36, 12 January 2015 (EST)
 * Even Wikipedia, one of the most professional wikis out there, has images on the majority of its improvement tags. Yeah, the pictures are generic, but Wikipedia is supposed to be as general as it can. Nearly every single wiki has an image on its improvement tag that fits the general theme of the wiki. 16:57, 13 January 2015 (EST)

Thanks. Andymii (talk) 18:53, 12 January 2015 (EST)

You'll have to reformat the construction template as a whole due to my computer's 1280x1024 resolution: the "possible" word hangs at the next line, making it really ugly. I might want to change the border of the construction template to blue to match the color of the pickaxe, though. I have no qualms about images in notice templates, but you should apply images in the rest of them too. As I said, you have to reformat the improvement templates since their layout doesn't lend itself to customization. Also, the image is stretching the construction template vertically as well, not good. 19:03, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Is this better? (I am using an iPad for now, so I may see something different than you.) Andymii (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2015 (EST)


 * You should get it to fit the template.


 * You mean the picture? Yeah, I want to get the picture down a few pixels, but I just do not know how. The only thing I can do is make the box taller, but I do not want to do that. Andymii (talk) 19:34, 12 January 2015 (EST)


 * The text within in the construction template is so long, when you put an image, it shifts the text to the right, and one word begins on the next line. The text below looks like this:


 * This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it is being worked on. We hope to have it completed as soon as possible.


 * Hmm, maybe shift the color of blue to a slightly lighter shade? I've shifted the image to a weird spot, right after the "under construction" part of the text, but weirdly, it looks better.

 This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it is being worked on. We hope to have it completed.
 * And apply some minor edits maybe, and this is maybe what it should look like. If you don't like the light blue, I'll change it back.

 This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it is being worked on. We hope to have it completed.
 * 20:24, 12 January 2015 (EST)

We should use it. Andymii (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2015 (EST)

I actually think people will like the Pickaxe a lot more than the Rocky Wrench; maybe I should overwrite the Rocky Wrench completely and eliminate it as a choice? Andymii (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2015 (EST)
 * Your proposal has changed, tell people that a new option has been added, and they should reconsider their votes, especially some of the opposition. I'm not sure if you're obliged to get their approval that you changed the proposal, but still can make the changes. 20:35, 12 January 2015 (EST)

 This article or section is under construction. Therefore, please excuse its informal appearance while it is being worked on. We hope to have it completed. I've shifted the pickaxe to the right to fill in the empty space in the right, kind of like Bob-omb in the delete template. I'm still not sure if it should be light blue because it looks like the family of templates. Hmm, let's see what other color goes well with the picture. But, which one do you like more, the one with the pickaxe on the left or the one with the pickaxe on the right? 20:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)

I personally like it to the left. By the way, exactly how would I be able to notify everyone? I would not want to personal message every single person. Andymii (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2015 (EST)


 * Go ahead, use the one of the left. Just tell it to Madz the Penguin, Aokage, NSY, and Boo4761. I doubt Walkazo and Yoshi876's stance will change though, but it might be worth a try again. I'm going to be changing my vote on this anyway since I think I'm satisfied with the design. 20:48, 12 January 2015 (EST)


 * It is better orange to prevent from getting confused with rewrite templates. Andymii (talk)


 * Thanks for changing it. I'm still vehemently opposed to a design change at all, but the current draft is a far less distressing prospect than earlier incarnations. - 11:58, 13 January 2015 (EST)

Looks cool, here is a few suggested changes. 

Decreased the padding, centered the image in height.-- 12:28, 13 January 2015 (EST)

I personally like the image on the left, though, but otherwise, it looks improved.Andymii (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2015 (EST)

By the way, I implemented your changes, though moved the image to the left. Andymii (talk)


 * It's way too bunched up on the left, especially for wider screens where the blank space becomes painfully obvious, although the version with it on the right doesn't fare much better once it's stretched out. (the current template for comparison). - 17:09, 13 January 2015 (EST)
 * Just my 20 cents but I absolutely despise having the image all the way to the right. I use a computer that's long in width, so the image there looks ugly and poorly placed. I prefer if the pickaxe was on the left side. 20:10, 13 January 2015 (EST)

Personally, I am in favor of the image being on the right. In regards for the empty space:



I also played around with few numbers. Here is how it looks in 1366px, in 1024px, and in (presumably) 1920px, Just a thought, why exactly did we add the line break again?

Also, I personally oppose the change, if it was on the left.-- 07:52, 15 January 2015 (EST)
 * The link break is to compensate for smaller resolution browsers. I don't know, but in this shape, the "possible" part hangs at the next line. I've said this earlier. 16:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
 * The 1920px is the one I see and see how it's ALL THE WAY on the freaking right with the gigantic space between it? Coming to a consensus is too much of a hassle and this is probably the primary reason I'll oppose this: the mileage of how it looks appears depends on a computer's resolution. I like images in templates for illustrative purposes and have a bit of style but when they cause this much aesthetic eye-searing and are heavily dependent on browsers, better off without anything at all. It also heavily violates consistency of the other templates. There's a reason they're off to the left; the gigantic space is very ugly when viewed on larger monitors and resolutions. 16:54, 15 January 2015 (EST)
 * Viewed the current templates with images again, no I was wrong. They're just as terrible as this one. 16:57, 15 January 2015 (EST)

Hmm yeah, I remember my earlier comments about how these improvement templates as a whole need to be reformatted to help include images. Right now, their structure isn't friendly to images. In short of an overhaul, the current template is uninviting. 00:37, 16 January 2015 (EST)

I'm generally of the opinion that maintenance templates should be left to plain text unless there is a compelling reason to add an image. The the case of Wikipedia, as alluded to by Mario above, images were initially added to maintenance templates as to help editors distinguish one template from another easily, as it was common in the early days of the project for articles to have a giant ocean of template boxes at the top. It's less useful today and are used more to help people who place the templates identify which kind of template they happen to be looking at on the master list. We have never had either issue, or at least if we did/do, it's never been reported. Mixed with the images size and reformatting concerns listed above along with a complete lack of an actual argument for adding an images besides "it looks cool", I'm against this. -- Ghost Jam 03:31, 16 January 2015 (EST)
 * Also, I do understand the root desire for this change. Namely, all the other fanwiki's do it, and I do mean all. I've always felt that this is a trend that dearly needs to dies out. Adding large images and piles of useless text don't make the template easier to use on either end of the workload. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 03:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Just a thought, but it is very impossible to come with a template that has no issues for all people. For instance, the current template has "possible" shifted down to a new line for me in Vector style, adding a line break like that would make people with higher resolutions suffer from the empty space. Also, most of Wikipedia notice templates are a single color, as opposite to our templates which has variety of colors. So "to help people distinguish between templates faster" is not a reason. Bottom line: adding images to any template is unnecessary but maybe ok, removing images from any template is also unnecessary. Besides, I don't really agree with this pickaxe icon being for the construction template 100%. I don't feel like it fits the theme by that much. It's good, but maybe a future image could be better.-- 15:16, 16 January 2015 (EST)
 * My point is that shifting an image all the way to the right creates a bigger problem than having it to the left, thanks to how things are oriented in the wiki. BECAUSE it causes this much discrepancy is a primary reason we shouldn't add anything further than words and different colors. I like the pick-axe theme, personally, but to fit images needs an overhaul of the current template system and I would think it's an unnecessary "infrastructure" change if you get what I mean. Everything is pretty much fine the way it is as of now. 18:18, 16 January 2015 (EST)
 * It's worth noting that while it should be technically impossible to please everyone, no one has outright complained about the current template in the eight or so years we've had it. Yes, we've tweaked it here or there and there have been strong suggestions to add images, but no one has out right said "this is bad". That's about as close to perfect as we're going to get. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 03:49, 17 January 2015 (EST)

@Chocolate Mario: Now that Mario has changed his vote to appose, your 'per' vote is no longer valid. Please alter your vote to one that is valid or it will be removed per rule 4. -- Ghost Jam 05:16, 18 January 2015 (EST)

Not that I am trying to be biased or anything, but Chocolate Mario's vote seems perfectly valid under rule 4. All it says is that all arguments must have a basis. Just because Mario's vote has changed does not mean his old vote suddenly loses all it's meaning and points made; thus, Mario can still be "perred." One's opinion should not change just because someone else changed theirs. Andymii (talk) 08:06, 18 January 2015 (EST)
 * Yeah, that's why if you remove your vote but someone's "per"ing you, you just slash it out, since you might not stand by your reason anymore, but the other person still can, so you retracting your vote doesn't invalidate theirs. Although it's still a good idea for someone "per"ing a striked vote to check back to see if they also might change their mind, or perhaps rewrite their vote. - 12:10, 18 January 2015 (EST)
 * I wasn't aware that striking through in this case was standard procedure. Might be worth making a note about it in the rules. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Ghost Jam[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 03:24, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Well it doesn't matter now, since all the examples of the template (that may be used if the proposal passes) have large, unprofessional empty spaces, mainly on the right. I now oppose this proposal, it looked fine as it was. Chocolate Mario (talk) 13:25, 18 January 2015 (EST)
 * It's in the courtesy policy (and applies to FAs as well as Proposals), but idk, maybe it would be worth adding something to Rule 5 on MW:Proposals (or splitting the rule into two as it's getting fairly long already - we could replace Rule 2, should we decide to leave the page semiprotected indefinitely). - 09:09, 19 January 2015 (EST)