MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Separate Wii U audio files from the ones on the GBA (Discuss) Passed.
 * Separate the Nintendo eShop paragraph from the 3DS and Wii U pages (Discuss) Passed.
 * Separate the Mario Bros. stage from the Smash Bros. stage of the same name (Discuss) Passed.
 * Split Bouncing Note from Music Park. (Discuss) Deadline: April 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT.
 * Merge Junior (II) to Donkey Kong Jr. Math. (Discuss) Deadline: April 23, 2015 23:59 GMT.
 * Merge Egg Missile with Egg Bomb. (Discuss) Deadline: April 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT.
 * Create a Tanooki Mario (character) article. (Discuss) Deadline: April 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT Extended: April 29, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with Fresh Pasta. (Discuss) Deadline: April 30, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Move Blue Lava Bubble to Ember. (Discuss) Deadline: April 30, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Determine if Wanda is a or Sprixie. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Piranhacus Giganticus with Big Piranha Plant. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Move Boss Bass Super Mario 64 DS info over to Bubba's page or Merge the articles. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Move Fire Chomp Super Mario 64 DS info over to Kuromame page or Merge the articles. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Spiny Fish with Spiny Cheep Cheep. (Discuss) Deadline: May 5, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

Create Template:organization-infobox
I've noticed that pages on organizations or groups either don't use infoboxes, or use Template:species-infobox (Snowmad and Tiki Tak Tribe were the pages I first noticed this on), listing species employed by the organization as sub-species, which looks...odd. Besides, we have infoboxes for other things, like locations, organizations aren't any less important.

Proposer: Deadline: April 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Who opposes their own proposal?
 * 2) That makes sense. Per Binarystep.
 * 3) - Per me in the comments. We don't absolutely need it, but it's not like having it would be a bad thing.

Comments
We already have one.--Vommack (talk) 17:18, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That's for RL companies, so it wouldn't be an even worse fit. Although in all honesty, as long as people aren't stupid and only use the "first/latest appearances" and "notable members" headers and not the ones that make no sense, works fine. But I also suppose a different template wouldn't hurt, seeing as we also have, ,  and even , among others. But what exactly do you (Binarystep) want as the new template? It's not good enough to just ask us to approve something without even a vague clue about what you have in mind. -  17:23, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Oh. Yeah, that makes more sense than what I was thinking. The species infobox still work alright though.--Vommack (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Maybe we should use the same template as the one which is used by the Koopalings for the Tiki Tak Tribe, but for the snowmad, I'm not sure...-- 17:27, 16 April 2015 (EDT)

I'm not good enough at HTML to make an example, but here are the parameters I'd want it to have:


 * leader - the character in charge of the organization (e.g. Bowser for Koopa Troop)
 * members - notable characters employed by the organization (e.g. Bashmaster for Snowmads)
 * employed_species (probably needs a better name) - species frequently employed by the organization (e.g. the various Tikis for the Tiki Tak Tribe)
 * first_appearance - self-explanatory
 * latest_appearance - self-explanatory

Binarystep (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2015 (EDT)


 * "member_species" might be a better name. Also, for "leader", what happens if leadership changes over the course of a game or going from backstory to a game? And I don't mean things like Bowser getting temporarily usurped but getting back control of the Koopa Troop by the end - more like odd situations like the Shroobs where Princess Shroob was more of an interim leader for the majority of the game, or coups that actually stick. Would both leaders get listed, with parenthesis saying "(first)"/"(former)"/"(current)"/"interim", etc.? And in which case, should that header perhaps read "leader(s)" (but still be coded "leader" for simplicity)? -
 * Either list the most recent leader only, or list multiple ones with brackets to clarify. Binarystep (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2015 (EDT)

Use "wide image" templates for level maps and the like
In pages about levels or worlds such as this, this and this, since the images showing the maps are wide, they are displayed in a very small size, making them hard to see clearly unless you click the image.

Well, Wikipedia has a template, which can be useful for cases like these. We could use both the 100% wide and 45% (or another size) wide variations, depending on the case.

Proposer: Deadline: April 25, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) My proposal.
 * 2) Per Mr. Ice Bro.
 * 3) - Per proposal: scrollboxes for images can be pretty handy.
 * 4) I love this idea! It makes it so one does not have to click on an image to enlarge it; plus, you get a clearer image.
 * 5) A great idea indeed! I'll approve this proposal with a per all!

Removals
None at the moment.

Merge post-Special Zone enemies or Split Goomba (SMW:SMA2) and Pokey (SMW:SMA2)
It seems a little incongruous that the Super Mario World enemy skins are split but the Super Mario Advance 2-exclusive ones are not. At the same time, besides the alternate names in the SNES version, there isn't any real sign to consider these different enemies. I think the case for merging is stronger, but I'll leave the option to instead split the rest of them.

Proposer: Deadline: April 24, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Merge post-Special Zone enemies to original enemy articles

 * 1) It was always an aesthetic difference to begin with, and merging eliminates at least one conjectural-titled article.
 * 2) It's true that some sources individualize them, namely the SMW credits and the Mario Mania guide, but these are nothing more than reskins. There are absolutely no differences between them besides the way they look. Also, if them being recognized as individual enemies is what we use as our justification, that'd be quite a slippery slope to follow, considering other enemies that are also individually recognized (case in point, the Green/Red Koopas).
 * 3) I'm going to approve this one because they are part of the original enemies so, per all!
 * 4) I was actually planning on proposing this a while ago, but never got around to it. Per all.
 * 5) Per all.

Comments
Exactly how many articles are being affected here? Merging a lot of uniquely-titled and different-looking things could potentially lose us search traffic... And please provide links, instead of expecting everyone to run around searching for the relevant pages and sections themselves: it's literally part of Rule 1 at the top of the page. -
 * I don't think the search traffic argument holds water in this case. People aren't googling en-masse for obscure enemies sprite-swaps featured in one game, and if they do, they're very likely to have heard of the wiki through other means. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:36, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * @Time Turner - Mario Mania is kind of vague about it, although it does imply that a bit with the "A New Cast" heading at the end.
 * @Walkazo - If we go with the first option, the following articles are affected: Jumping Pumpkin Plant, Pidgit Bill, Mask Koopa, and Para Mask Koopa (the latter being the conjectural one I mentioned). If we go with the second option, it will keep these pages split and also add the enemies changed in the Game Boy Advance port - the sunglasses "Goomba" (as it was called) and its derivatives, and the stone-like Pokey. The third option, which I've mistakenly left out before, just keeps everything the way it is. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

Staying neutral for now... On one hand, they look different and are officially named. On the other hand, the guide that named them is the same guide that acted like every behavior of Chargin' Chuck was its own species. If these are going to be merged, shouldn't the different types of Boo Buddies (except Block, as it does something other than move differently) be merged as well? Binarystep (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Chargin' Chucks and Boo Buddies could also probably be addressed at some point as they might be considered another example of incongruity, but this proposal is specifically about the enemies whose graphics change by completing the Funky course, not including ones given separate identification in guide material. It's not quite the same thing, especially since Chargin' Chucks and Boo Buddies have different interactions with the player. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2015 (EDT)

Stop Listing Sub-Species on Generic Real-World Species Pages
I've noticed that a lot of species pages (like Cooligan or Snaps to give two examples) are listed as "sub-species" of generic real-world species (e.g. Bee, Crab, Penguin), instead of being labeled independent species. At first, this makes sense, as they're clearly based on said species, but if you consider that we don't call Koopas a sub-species of Turtle or Goombas a sub-species of Mushroom, it starts to look inconsistent. I've also noticed the reverse happening, where real-world species articles have long sub-species sections consisting of every species that resembles it, even though that is literally not what "sub-species"/"species origin" means at all. While I'm not saying we should delete all real-world species pages (though the ones that consist of "background thing what looks like species" should probably be removed), I don't think we should list species from the games as being directly related to them, as there's a difference between a real-life inspiration and an in-universe relation.

tl;dr not everything has to be a subspecies of something, infoboxes don't have a minimum length.

Proposer: Deadline: April 26, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) Per Binary.
 * 3) Per both on this case!
 * 4) per
 * 5) Per Binarystep.

Comments
Note that real-world species could still have "Related Species" sections, and list species based on them there. Binarystep (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.