MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Quote Box
Alright, as my first proposal, I want a quote box to be in articles. I feel that people should get a users feel on a person or item when a viewer is reading through the page. An example would be (Imagine me putting this on Chief Chilly's page)

"He was a worthy foe, powerful indeed, but he succumbed to his own strength, and was easily defeated" -Runeon12 Proposer: Deadline: October 29, 2009, 17:00

For Quote Boxes

 * 1) User:Runeon12

Against Quote Boxes

 * Same as for the above proposal. We're an encyclopedia, thus we don't need POV in our articles.
 * 1) - Per Time Q... again.
 * 2) - Per
 * 3) Per Time Q.
 * 4) - Per Time Q.
 * 5) - This will be just another excuse to bring in fan point of views. When I read an article, I don't want to read. "ZOMG! Luigi PWNS!" or "LOL! Wario is a fat man! XD" or "Dry Bones SUCKS!" It just seems kinda ridiculous.
 * Per Time Q.
 * 1) - We are not a fansite, those comments should go on a site with a comment box as that is what a comment box is for. Per the top guy.
 * 2) Per Gamefreak75- although Dry Bones does not suck!
 * 3) - Per Time Q and Gamefreak75.
 * 4) - It's not really necessary to have opinions on the actual articles, but its perfectly fine if you want to do that on your own page.
 * 5) Definitely per Gamefreak75. When I'm reading an article, I don't want to see "OMRG!!! BABY LUIGI TEH SUX0RZ!!! Oioiosdofjsadjsadj blah" or "Walligis gonna beat Marop up!" and so on and so on.
 * 6) Per Gamefreak75
 * 7) No POV in encyclopedic articles
 * 8) Per all, especially Marwikedor.
 * 9) I don't even know how to make a Quote Box.
 * 10) per all. ps: EVERY TIME I ADD SOMETHING ON THIS BLOODY PAGE IT IS DELETED! stop it whoever keeps doing this. Lu-igi board 07:26, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Comments
Although I must say that I enjoy it to have in-game-quotes on articles (say f.e. a character in a Mario game says something about Warp Pipes and that quote could be put on the Warp Pipe article.). But of course, no fan-made content. -

Actually guys, new idea. First of all, I would like to thank Edofenrir for the idea, let us go with having a quote of what another character said to the character being searched. For example, if Mario called Luigi an "insolent fool!" then that would show up as the quote in Luigi, instead of our fan quotes.

Removals
''None at the moment.

Merge the Pipe Plaza with The 'Shroom
Okay, first off, I'd like for you to go see this. Doesn't look too well, right? Kind of... Outdated. Which is why I'm suggesting that we merge it with this. You see, my theory is that ever nobody has the time, or just can't/won't update the Pipe Plaza for whatever reason. It shouldn't ever get this outdated, and since it seems to be too much of a hassle, merging it with the 'Shroom could brighten the future of our community portal. You see, my other theory is that because one person doesn't want to update the Pipe Plaza, they feel somebody else will. It seems that mindframe has not worked.

Specifically, we should divide it into a team like Fake News, Fun Stuff, and Music & Artwork. There would be a director who coordinates what information is included, and tells the others when to send their sections in by. The section would be broken down into positions so that everybody knows what to update and the such, without getting confused. Now, to be more specific:


 * Notices
 * News – This position would include any community-based, wiki-related events (such as promotions/demotions, a list of proposals that are going on and a list of what passed and failed and a brief description of how it will/would have affected the community, etc.)
 * Maintenance/Pages Seeking Contributors – This section would provide some maintenance tips (such as links to the maintenance pages and suggestions such as removing unnecessary spacing from articles, fixing links that lead to redirects, etc.); links to pages that need contributors or expansion.
 * Featured – Lists the Featured Articles/Images that were featured on the Main Page from one issue to another, as well as any nominations that passed (as well as any Featured Articles were unfeatured).
 * Collaborations
 * Main Collaboration – Lists major collaborations that are going on, as well as list the articles that are nominated for Featured status and those that are nominated for unfeaturing.
 * Projects Seeking Contributors – Gives a link to the PipeProjects page and lists any new PipeProjects that need attention.
 * Guidelines, help, and resources
 * Links – This position would provide a few links every month that lead to pages such as Help pages, policy pages, and other helpful goodies.
 * Tip of the Month – This person would give a good, helpful, and informative tip that can aid someone in their adventures in editing.

What I have done in that list is organize it based on the categories that it is organized in the Pipe Plaza, save for a bit of merging and removing some things. I completely removed the To Do List section in my suggestion because the maintenance sections and whatnot, as it would be more specific if moved to The 'Shroom, basically covers what there is to do. This is how it will be organized if it were put on The 'Shroom, with appropriate headings and such. I feel this would make the way it works much more organized and that it would benefit the wiki.

Proposer: The Core Staff Members of the 'Shroom Deadline: Wednesday, 4 November 2009, 17:00

Support

 * 1) Per the Core 'Shroom Staff.
 * 2) I think this is a good idea. It will help get things done and it will pull the PipePlaza into the future and keep it looking good.
 * 3) - Per, but as i said uncountable times, this should be updated regularly, and not monthly.
 * 4) - Per all. As the writer formerly known as P. Trainer, and a member of the Core 'Shroom Staff, I agree. It will not only organize the Pipe Plaza in a better form, but force it to be updated more regularly.
 * 5) Per all above...but is Tucayo referring to the shroom being updated monthly or the pipe plaza?
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) - Per above.
 * 8) - If the Shroom Staff agrees on this, then why should someone else interfere?
 * 9) - Per Edofenrir. Also, this will surely help us users greatly!
 * 10) - I'll get more information on this later but right now - if so many of the smartest users (and Tucayo, jk) think it is a good idea then I approve. BTW, Tucayo is you want to remove that part about you I give you permission.
 * 11) Per the 'Shroom staff.
 * 12) I never knew there was a pipe plaza, so why not? Lu-igi board 07:20, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Comments
By the way, I'm just mentioning, all 7 of the 'Shroom's main directive staff supported the idea behind this proposal.
 * @MC Hammer Bro.: Im saying the Pipe Plaza shouldnt be updated monthly, as the Shroom, it should be updated like twice a week or so. We cant update news monthly........
 * Ok then. thanks for clearing that up.

Change Goomba's Shoe to Kuribo's Shoe
From SMB3, Kuribo's Shoe is my childhood remembrance of this super-special item so exclusive this world 5-3 and never seen again. I believe that it's name was part of what made it so unique. So make the title of the article "Kuribo's Shoe" for the sake of tradition. I'm not saying don't mention in the article Kuribo's shoe means Goomba's shoe in Japanese. But the main title should be it's original and more well-known name. So what if the GBA remake called it "Goomba's Shoe." It's the little things like the name Kuribo's Shoe and the fond memories it invokes that are like a big, juicy steak in our nostalgic minds. I implore, urge the Mario wiki users to vote YES. And lest you folks forget, it was refered to as the Shoe of Kuribo in Super Paper Mario.

Proposer: Deadline: October 29th, 2009 17:00 pm

Change the title to "Kuribo's Shoe"

 * 1) – Per above.
 * 2) - Per first person
 * 3) - Per Marwikedor-It was first called Kuribo's Shoe, therefore it should stay that way.
 * 4) -yes it's original name
 * 5) Original name, first!
 * 6)  Kuribo's Shoe is the true name!
 * 7) per all. Lu-igi board 07:20, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Leave it as is

 * 1) As per the policy. You can't make exceptions due to nostalgia or people will keep asking.
 * 2) - This is the more recent name.
 * 3) - It goes against policy, which will cause an inconsistency. Per all.
 * 4) - Next time, change Princess Peach to Princess Toadstool due to nostalgia? We have the policy to use the more recent name. We don't go by personal preferences. No inconsistencies, please.
 * 5) - Per our policy
 * 6) - The article always mentions the name of the object as of their most recent appearance unless that name is too long in which case it is abbreviated. Create a redirect.
 * 7) - Unfortunately, the policy states the name to be the same.
 * 8) - Although I love the term "Kuribo's Shoe", I also hate inconsistency. Exceptions are confusing and annoying, so: Nah!
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) - Most people don't know what 'Kuribo' is anyway.

Comments
Was it called Kuribo's Shoe in Super Mario Bros. 3? If so, then I support. -
 * It was, but they changed it to "Goomba's Shoe" in the remake. As per policy, we do use the most recent name of characters/items/whatever... -
 * Well, if the Policy dictates that, then I can't do anything about it. -

Fawfulfury65: To keep consistency, we'd have to move "Mario" to "Jumpman" then... -
 * Maybe this proposal should be turned into a proposal to change the policy.
 * Are you aware of the consequences of this? The Jumpman thing is only one example of renames we would have to make if the policy is changed (because if it gets changed, then it gets changed completely, with no exceptions!). You want to change the names of masses of articles to confusing aliasses just for nostalgia? I like Kuribo's Shoe more as well, but I won't sacrifice the structure of the whole Wiki for it. -


 * You people are wrong. Super Paper Mario is more recent than that GBA remake!  Remember the Sammer Guy referenced the true title!  In Bowser's Inside Story, a Sockop was name Kuribo, clearly referencing he looked like Kuribo's Shoe!  Both of those games are more recent than that GBA remake!  I don't even think in the GBA remake it was even mentioned in the game!  Was it just a guide or something?  The most recent name is Kuribo's Shoe.  Change your votes those who voted against it!  Per your own policy!-
 * Dude it was a Sammer Guy that was called "Shoe of Kuribo". The actual item didn't appear in the game. It was just a reference to the item. --
 * @Marwikedor: It wasn't a guide, the game itself called it Goomba's Shoe: Image. SPM and BIS only have references to the item. If the item itself would be renamed Kuribo's Shoe again in a new release, the article would be moved, of course. --Grandy02 06:36, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Also, the Name was just an untranslated version Kuribo is the Jaanese name for Goomba. If you want to be really consistnt you'd have to revertt all names to their first Japanese name. (Unless it's a word outside Mario. Changeing that would just be silly). It would confuse everyone and serve no purpose. Lego3400 02:53, 27 October 2009 (EDT)


 * As Edo stated, we'd have to change characters back to their original names like Peach to Toadstoal or Bowser to King Koopa.--
 * Just so you know, Bowser is the original English name. "King Koopa" was popularized with the cartoon series. --Grandy02 07:22, 28 October 2009 (EDT)


 * It is totally daft to compare it to those things. Her name still is Toadstool!  Princess Peach Toadstool!  Just because the item did not appear in these two more recent games does not mean it it not binding!  For example, if Professor Elvin Gadd's (E. Gadd)name was changed to Edward Gadd, you would have to say Edward Gadd formerly known as Elvin Gadd, even if E. Gadd did not appear in the game he was referenced in!  In accordance with the Wiki's policy, it must be Kuribo's Shoe!  This is indeed a special case and should not be compared to "Jumpman-Mario" ridiculous!  Per the wiki's policy, it is originally, and most lately, Kuribo!  That is my position if this fails to pass it is my right in four weeks to make sure the wrong is righted! --
 * If it is made clear that the character in question, Elvin (or Edward) Gadd, is meant, and that it is not just a parody or a slip of the tongue, then yes. But the term "Kuribo's Shoe" was not explicitly used in SPM and BIS. The names of a Sammer Guy (Shoe of Kuribo) and of a Sockop (simply Kuribo) are both clever references to the item, but there is no mention of the actual item, there are only the names of two characters. The translators could just have referenced a well-known mistranslation ("A winner is you!" appears in BIS, too). As long as it isn't explicitly stated that the item itself is renamed again, no matter whether it is actually seen or not (for example, if a character said "I used Kuribo's Shoe to hop across the spikes!", then it would count), the article should stay as Goomba's Shoe in my humble opinion. --
 * I don't consider it a "mistranslation", English speaking gamers could consider Kuribo to be the name of the Goomba who wore the boot... --Marwikedor
 * And Jugem is the name of the Lakitu who used Jugem's Cloud? --
 * As long as it redirects, it will be OK as is. -
 * Grandy02, the simple answer to your question is yes. Not all Lakitus are named Lakitu, there never has been and never will be one.  "Lakitu" refers to their species.  Jugem was the name of the Lakitu who owned the cloud.  When SMB3 came out approx. twenty years ago, Goombas were still called Goombas.  Therefore, Kuribo refered to the specific name of the Goomba who owned the boot.  And it was never changed in SMB3.  That's right, you heard me!  It was NOT changed.  Princess Peach was just saying, "Hey, Mario!  Use that goomba's shoe to help you save me!"  If you said IRL, "I'm gonna borrow that man's cell phone", does that mean the man's name is Man?  Certainly not!  In SMS, when that Pianta in Bianco Hills complained about that flying piranha plant making a muddy mess of things, does that mean you'd have to change Petey Piranha's name to Flying Piranha Plant (if, for argument's sake, the pianta had mentioned it after his name was mentioned, which he did, as his name was only mentioned in the Shine screen title.  Petey has appeared in several sports spin-offs since then).  The official title is still Kuribo's Shoe.  -
 * I believe you all missed my point. If we went with Kuribo's Shoe we would have to call Bowser "Koopa", the entire species of Koppa Nokonoko and so on. Kuribo is the Japanese name of all Goombas. The translators simply overlooked this when translating SMB3 and accidentally left it as Koribo's shoe instead of Goomba's Shoe and corrected their mistake when it was rereleased. Jugem's cloud also got overlooked and Jugem is the Japanese name for all Lakitu, not of the ones who ride on the cloud. Therefore, if you put the English name of the species that use these items in like they forgot to do and later fixed, the items would read Goonba's Shoe and Lakitu's Cloud. The point I'm trying to make here is, this is an English language wiki, therefore, the English name takes precedent over something that was left untranslated. Lego3400 01:15, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

It may be an official title, but it's outdated, according to our policy. The most recent official title – that has actually been used as the item's name, not just a reference to it – is "Goomba's Shoe". --

You know what I think? Move Goomba's Shoe to Goomba Shoe. It's absolutely ridiculous in spelling. If for example, it is not right to say Mario's Goomba's Shoe. Or is it, huh?

Shorten Quotes
OK, I'm going to get the point across quickly, but I think we shouldn't have long quotes on articles. Instead, we should have them on the 'List Of Quotes' area. This is only because a while ago on the Fawful article, the main quote at the top of the page was AN ENTIRE SCENE of Fawful, not just a quote. I've removed it now, but even still on other articles there's like, 3 paragraphs for one quote. I think we should make it so a quote is something like the characters catchphrase (e.g., for Fawful "I HAVE FURY!"), or just a sentance. If we want long quotes, they should go on a 'List Of Quotes In (INSERT GAME NAME HERE)' page. Thank you, and goodnight.

Proposer: Deadline: November 2, 2009, 17:00

Shorten Quotes

 * 1) Per the fact I invented the proposal.
 * 2) That quote on the Fawful article was so long, I didn't even feel like reading it, and the same for every long quote.
 * 3) - Per HG
 * 4) I am Zero! Yea, we should have it like that, not the freakishly huge quotes, just a quote like "Your my knight in shinning armor." something like that short, but not exactly literally that short. Zero signing out.
 * 5) - A long quote does not belong in the top of a page. The quotes should not cause the writing at the top of the page to look weird and that is what they are doing in some articles. If a long quote describes the character however, I say we keep it.
 * 6) wario quote is ridiculesly long. Lu-igi board

Comments
I think a quote should mirror the personality of a character, while trying to be as short as possible. If a character has a catch phrase, this is easy, but sometimes slightly larger quotes are inevitable. However, a whole dialogue shouldn't be posted as a quote in any case. -

I'm on the fence with this one. Quotes should be A: Well known in fandom (IE fawfuls I HAVE FURY!) or B: Noteable. Quotes that show their personality are a bonus. If a line is long but meets A or B it should be left as long as it's left in the quote's section. Short famous quotes should go at the top. Only put a long quote up there if we can't find anything better. Dialoge should only be listed if it is noteable. What is noteable I'll leave others to decide <.<... Lego3400 03:00, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Well I won't support before I know what maximum length for a quote you intent to establish. What about this one here for example? Too long? (I mean, this character has other much shorter catchphrases). -
 * Yeah, I think I need like a maximum length before I vote.

I don't understand why this is actually an issue. Isn't it obvious that if a quote is more of a paragraph than a sentence than it should be split into different quotes? Also, in a game such as the Mario rpgs, every little thing a character says is clearly not relevant. Yeah? FD09

Surrogate Pages
A lot of users will create a page to include it in another page, like their sig or status. Some of The 'Shroom writers have begun doing this for lots of other things so that they don't have to constantly edit The 'Shroom pages. However, with the new userspace regulations, this is not allowed. I think it will make things a lot easier for 'Shroom writers. Proposer: Deadline: November 2, 2009, 17:00

Allow Surrogate Pages

 * 1)  - My thoughts are stated above.
 * 2)  - Makes quite a bit of sense, I'm sick of seeing someone making a sub-page for their userboxes, and then putting it on their page as well.

Don't Allow Surrogate Pages

 * 1) - I hope i understood this, I think users shouldnt have more pages than the main Userpage and the sig. I also discourage that for the Shroom, as it releases them before the issue date to the public.
 * 2) - Per Tucayo
 * 3) - Per all. And these userspace rules aren't new, they were just never enforced.
 * 4) - There's a difference between user sub-pages and MarioWiki sub-pages. The 'Shroom sub-pages are benefiting a large community project. What do user sub-pages benefit? The user whom that page belongs to.
 * 5) - From what I understand, this section is to not alow users to create more than one userpage just for the heck of using that page somewhere else. I do notice that maybe it could be really important for one of those pages to exist but I also realize that many of the users here will just make them for the fun of it so, I'll have to prioritize.

Comments
I dont get it...
 * Is this a proposal or a comment?
 * Hubba-what? oO -
 * I'm confused, what are you proposing?
 * He's saying that some people might make a page for their userboxes, possibly so they could edit them easier, and then just stick them back on their page. Like a sig, but not really necessary. -