Talk:Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. series)

Yellow Toad page
I created a Yellow Toad page and I think for the toads, these two (blue toad too) are the ones that need articles for now. The image might have to be replaced later one when a better quality image appears for yellow toad though. Pichufan93

Blue and Yellow Toad's Nicknames
http://www.destructoid.com/nsmb-wii-release-bash-bucken-berry-and-ala-gold--155242.phtml

According to the article, the nicknames of the Blue Toad and the Yellow Toad, given to them by the development team, are Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold.

...No comment. - Smashgoom202 22:52, 18 November 2009 (EST)
 * The article's author asked an unspecified Nintendo rep (not Miyamoto or another developer) who didn't really know about the tournament, but otherwise knew "a lot of stuff." The rep told about nicknames supposedly used by the Japanese developers and whispered two names that don't sound typical for Kinopio at all. At the end, the author even humourously writes "I don't know if this guy knows what he's talking about or not, but I don't care". I can't take this seriously unless one of the developers confirms it in an interview or something. It could just be a joke made by the rep. --Grandy02 12:45, 8 January 2010 (EST)

"Yellow Toad" or "Yellow Toads"?
Are we to assume that every instance a yellow-color schemed Toad has been featured in a Mario game, it's the same one? That seems like a lot of speculation to me. Redstar 18:04, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I have no idea why this article talks about the Yellow Toad in SMS/SMG. Has there been direct evidence linking them to the same character?-- 00:26, 26 November 2009 (EST)

yeah that's true but for now it's best to assume for now they are the same as they reprise the same role in most games. Likewise, the toad brigade also leads speculation if they are the same from sunshine. User:Pichufan93

It's never best to assume something. It ruins the credibility of the wiki.-- 16:07, 26 November 2009 (EST)
 * I suggest we split off all other instances into a new article, either Yellow Toads or Toads (Yellow), and move this to the development nickname of "Ala-Gold". That will leave this article a little bare-bones, but I have no reason not to believe this exact character won't be used a bit later on. Redstar 20:39, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Actually, the rest of the info should be split in Toad (species) and info about the Yellow Toad in NSMBW should be kept here.- 00:47, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * Well people seem to like articles on just about everything here, so that would be a decent compromise. Merging with the main Toad (species) article is preferable, but, really, does coloration matter? They're just clothes, after all. I say a simple note anywhere saying "Toads dress in a variety of colors" works well enough. Redstar 00:57, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Split and Merge Article
It cannot be assumed that just because a particular Toad is wearing yellow, that every Toad wearing yellow is the same individual. Prior to NSMBW, yellow Toads were simply generic background characters and had no real personality. Even the only personality-trait of the Super Mario Galaxy Yellow Toad, of being sleepy, is not found in this new Toad. This all suggests that they are different Toads that simply share a choice in clothing color. As it stands now, this article covers every appearance of a yellow Toad, regardless of whether they may be the same Toad or not. The article also covers yellow Toads "as a species", which is far too distinct a subject to cover on the same page; not to mention the different-colored Yoshi aren't considered different species, just variety.

What this proposal hopes to achieve is to split off and merge all relevant information to the correct articles to create more comprehensive and specialized topics. Information to be merged are as follows:


 * Yellow Toads in a group, such as in Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy to be merged into the Toad Brigade article.
 * Yellow Toads "as a species" to be merged into the Toad (species) article. Assuming different coloration is indicative of separate species is too speculative for this wiki, as well as largely-disproven due to indication of vest and cap as articles of clothing in most media. This standard is also followed for Yoshi (species), wherein differently-colored Yoshi are not considered separate species, but just variety.
 * The yellow Toad of NSMBW into a new article, covering only that particular Toad. His singular nature, differing personality, and lack of a group suggests he is a new character. Suggested article names are his development name, "Ala Gold", or simply "Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)".

''The outcome of this proposal will affect both this page and Blue Toad, as the two concern nearly identical subject matter. As outlined here, Blue Toad will be dealt with the same way as this article, with the information pertaining to the generic Blue Toads going on Toad (species) and Toad Brigade, and info on the New Super Mario Bros. Wii character going on or  (its equivalent of "Ala-Gold").''

Proposer: Deadline: 13 February 2010

Split and merge article into relevant pages

 * 1) - Per proposal.
 * 2) - Speculation to assume they're all the same. Per proposal
 * 3) - Per Redstar. He isn't a normal Toad! He's a protagonist of NSMBW and not a generic Toad!
 * 4) *sigh* Fine.
 * 5) Per Redstar.
 * 6) - Per MATEOELBACAN, they cannot all be the same toad. This is a character, not some yellow toad.
 * 7) - Per all: we shouldn't assume every yellow or blue Toad are the NSMB Wii characters, and generically-coloured members of other species (i.e. Shy Guys) don't get their own pages, so neither should the Toads.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) SpecialK 13:39, 4 February 2010 (EST) I mean, they are different toads.

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 * 1) - The character has no difference from a generic yellow toad. A different development name does not matter in that way. We have many characters with alternate names, and I doubt "Yellow Toad" has ever been officially used. Development names are not really official either.

Ala Gold

 * 1) Official name anybody!?!We use the name Nintendo refers it to and this is what they called em'!

Yellow Toad (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)

 * 1) As long as Yellow Toad has his own article on NSMBW, I'll support.
 * 2) I prefer this,the Ala Gold deplovement name sounds weird x3,but we'll put that in article and it's finished.
 * 3) There are surely more development nicknames for various things in the games, but they aren't official. And even if "Ala-Gold" was official, it would be a Japanese name (since the developers are Japanese), and we already have an English one, Yellow Toad. The author of the Destructiod article even humourously wrote "I don't know if this guy knows what he's talking about or not, but I don't care", and personally, I also have my doubts if the Japanese developers would call a Kinopio "Ala-Gold."
 * 4) - The guidebook says it all. There is no hint or clue that is even written in the official guidebook, approved by Nintendo. If Nintendo doens't have Ala-Gold, then it isn't Ala-Gold.
 * 5) - Per all: the origin of "Ala-Gold" and "Bucken-Berry" is rather dubious, so better safe than sorry. Plus, the nicknames will probably confuse people, whereas "Toad (NSMBW)" is pretty clear.
 * 6) Yellow Toad and Blue Toad should get their own articles with their official names being their article's names. Nintendo refers them as Blue Toad and Yellow Toad so why should their names be changed to unofficial names if they already have names, generic or not. I'm not saying that I don't like the names but I think its best to stick with Yellow and Blue Toad.
 * 7) SpecialK 13:38, 4 February 2010 (EST) It's a yellow toad, and this is the first time i heard alla gold!!!

Comments
@Cobold: The problem here isn't whether this character has a defined personality, or an official name, or any of that; it's that every yellow Toad is considered to be the same, even minor background appearances. While the yellow Toad seen in Sunshine, Galaxy, and NSMBW are the most developed yellow Toads, which could suggest they are the same, all the previous and off-center stage appearances can hardly be counted as well. The page also goes into Yellow Toad "as a species". This is very confusing. I propose we at least split the article into yellow Toads as characters (regardless if they're the same one or not) and yellow Toads as species (which would be better merged into the main Toad (species) article]]. Redstar 18:01, 19 December 2009 (EST) @Fawful: Not really. All the relevant information is already found on Toad (species). All that really needs to be said are that Toads were different colors. Everything on this page is needless. Even the Mario Sports series section states that yellow Toad isn't playable, but is an alternate coloration of the actual playable Toad. All the stats for the Sports games are taken directly from the playable Toad; the stats don't change when you use the alternate coloration. Nothing on here is really necessary, and can easily be said on the main Toad (species) article with one sentence: "Toads come in a variety of colors, including red, blue, yellow, etc." Redstar 18:34, 19 December 2009 (EST)

Yes but every colored Toad has different personalities between different games, and a good article would need to have that info, a lot of info. Really, this is a nice article that shouldn't be merged or deleted. Yellow Toad is a playable character in NSMBW and he is called of course, Yellow Toad, just like Mario is called Mario, and Luigi, Luigi. He's not called just any "Toad", and same for Blue Toad. So wouldn't he have just as important of a role as Mario, or at least Luigi, important enough for his own article?

How does "List of Yellow Toads" sound to you? Would that be a good or bad idea? I agree much of this article's content should be on Toad Brigade or Toad (species), but this would be my alternative idea. - 18:56, 19 December 2009 (EST)
 * @Fawful: Actually, colored Toads don't have different personalities in any of the games save for the Toad Brigade in Super Mario Galaxy, and the yellow and blue Toad debuted in NSMBW. Every other instance of a colored Toad are merely background characters with no speaking roles or perceptible personality, which is why they shouldn't be considered the same character. And yes, I do feel the yellow and blue Toad from NSMBW deserve their own article; that's what this proposal is trying to do! The purpose is splitting those two onto their own articles, and merging the remaining information that covers yellow Toads to the Toad (species) article. As it sounds now, this article covers both the character and the (sub)species/variety and treats them as one and the same.


 * @Cobold: I'm not sure if such a list would be very long, but I'm fine with it if it gets all the misplaced information merged to the appropriate articles. Redstar 18:59, 19 December 2009 (EST)

Please note that this proposal now deals with both the Yellow Toad and the Blue Toad. If you want to change this page but not the Blue Toad page, remove your vote between now the the deadline, February 13, 2010. - 15:43, 31 January 2010 (EST)