MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Delete Holerö. (Discuss) Passed.
 * Merge Template:RPG Attacks with the relevant templates. (Discuss) Passed.
 * Delete Poop (Discuss) Deadline : March 9, 2014 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Changes
None at the moment.

Species Templates for Real-World Animals
Currently, we have several articles on real-world animals, such as Bee and Pig. These articles have their own host of problems that will be dealt with in due time, but for now, I want to discuss Template:Pigs and Template:Bee. Is is because there happen to be a lot of them? Well, if that's the case, then how come dinosuars, rodents, dogs, or cats don't have templates, even though they have about the same number of them? Is it because they're more notable than the others? Regardless of the fact that notability tends to be subjective, from my point of view, neither pigs nor bees have ever been especially prominent in games.

Maybe we just haven't gotten around to creating templates for the other people yet? While creating templates for dogs, cats, rats, et al. would be consistent from a certain point of view, I don't think it's a good idea to start creating navigation templates for these real-world animals. Let me use dogs as an example: the category for dogs lists a whole bunch of things that visually resemble canines, like Fox McCloud, Arfur, Broggy, and much more. As you may have remarked, these three characters are so vastly separate from each other in pretty much every way imaginable. Creating a navigation template for them is like implying that they all have a direct connection to each other, which I just find silly. Plus, think about it from a reader's standpoint: who would read Manager Joe's article, get to the end, and think, "Man, I sure wish that I could go read about Wolf O'Donnell or Poochy with a convenient template"; from where I'm standing, I don't see that happening.

In the interest of keeping all options free, I'll leave three options: deleting the two navigation templates that we currently have (the most convenient choice), creating navigation templates for the other animals (could allow for convenience), or doing nothing (true neutrality).

Proposer: Deadline: February 28, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Delete Templates

 * 1) Per myself.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) i agree.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) There's no need to have a template for only two things that fall under one category and then ignore the rest. Per proposal.
 * 6) Meh, they're pretty useless. Better to have categories.
 * 7) Per all
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) We can have a template, or a category, but both is pretty redundant. Plus categories are more suited for this type of thing anyway. So delete the templates.

Comments
Navigation Templates already says these sorts of templates are bad:

"if a group of species only has a few members, a template might be excessive, especially if it is only a minor assortment of species and characters. Conversely, very loose (and often large) groupings such as Fish or Undead should be saved for categories, not templates, as the need for such templates is far less than for specific species groupings like or [or ], and creating too many overlapping templates can clutter up pages."

So you don't need a proposal to delete them, really. -
 * Still, if the templates were created in the first place, there was at least someone who thought it was a good idea/it was necessary to create them. I assumed that there would be others with the same opinion

Couldn't we actually create a template for all animals and have subsections for different species?
 * Templates are supposed to have specific focuses: having all the animals lumped together would be uselessly broad. Better to just use categories. -
 * I just went through the calculations (adding the number of pages in each category for animals), and if I'm not mistaken, such a template would have close to 1500 entries. To compare, Template:LMDM has around 260 entries, Template:PMTTYD has around 330, Template:Super Mario RPG has around 450, and Template:SPM, which I believe is the largest navigation template ever, has around 510. This template would be astronomical when comparing it to templates about games. It's gonna completely dwarf any other species template that we have. Basically, way too impractical.

Also, are people allowed to just make new options in someone else's proposal?
 * "Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation." I'm pretty sure that counts options as well.
 * Yeah, no, random folks can't mess with others' proposals. I removed Mario7's additions. -