MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
''None at the moment.

Luigi and Boo FAs
I was on the featured articles page recently and I saw that the Luigi and Boo articles are still nominated. You wouldn't believe how many fan votes there are on the Boo one, and Luigi's has been there for over a year. I propose that the nominations should be deleted because of those things and can be started up again if the articles improve.

Proposer: Deadline: October 13, 2009, 17:00

Remove Luigi and Boo FAs

 * 1) - See above.

Keep Luigi and Boo FAs

 * Nah, keep those pages. We have no right to delete them. Nomination pages are only deleted if they stay unchanged for one month.
 * 1) - It is currently against this wiki's rules to delete those articles unless they are (as Time Q said) unchanged for one month. Breaking the wiki's rules is not what you propose here, here you propose to change those rules.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) Per all.

Comments
Note that this happened a while ago for the Bowser FA.
 * I can't remember that happened. And I don't think so, otherwise I would have protested against it :P

You saw Tucayo's proposal yet? Unless this is something different.

No, wait a minute. You want to delete old nominated FA's, right? Sorry

Mario Baseball Special swings/pitches
The Mario Super Star Baseball special pitches and swings are in the same article (Peach's Heart Swing and Heart Pitch are under Heart Ball while on the Slugger's page, the character bios list them separately. The Slugger's special pages are being made right now and I'm wondering of the pitches and swings should also be merged into one page like the MSSB ones or if the MSSB's should be split.

Propeser: Deadline: October 7th, 2009 17:00PM

Split

 * 1) I think they should be split because one is an offensive special and one is defensive.

Continue like the other pages

 * 1) – Although this sounds ideal, they are moves in the same game that are related to the character. If we split everything based on offensive and defensive, this article would be a good candidate for splitting, and it is rather small as of now. We would end up with little stublets if we split these articles.
 * 2) S.P.M.B. has a good point. Lately, even I, would likes to have articles split, been merging them. We already have enough stubs right now, and we definitely don't need stublets.
 * 3) - Per Super Paper Mario Bros.
 * 4) &mdash; Per SPMB.
 * 5) - Per SMB (who I refuse to call SPMB)!
 * 6) – Per all.
 * 7) - Per all.
 * 8) - Per SPMB and BMB.

Comments
The pages have already been made, and someone made a really nice template for them (I think it might've been Edofenrir), but the Super Sluggers Star Swings are just as important as the Mario Power Tennis Power Shots. I made almost all of them, and they are good pages, in my opinion, and they haven't been deleted or made fun of, so I think they should stay.

Mario Power Tennis has a set of offensive shots and defensive shots as well, but the differences are much greater. Mario's offensive power shot uses a hammer while his defensive shot is a spin jump. Just compare each character's shots and you'll note the difference. However the pitches and swings are not so different. Mario fires up the ball and speeds it up in both, Peach turns the ball temporarily invisible in both, etc..-- 22:31, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

We don't need to have separate articles for the pitches, those were already in the first Mario baseball game. I'm just saying that the swings are different, and they have different effects.

Per FunkyK38. I think we already have a template for every Star Swing name. If there isn't, that should be a new proposal.

Platformer levels articles
Some platforming levels (like Super Mario World articles) has whole article. Some has section in world (like SMB3). These in articles aren't short, but they sound like walkthroughs (Donut Ghost House). Also they contain basic errors (for example in Iggy's Castle we hear "Hitting the Yellow P-Switch will cover up some of the holes in the ground."). Where is yellow P-Switch? SMW has only Blue and Gray P-Switches.

Propeser: Deadline: October 14th, 2009 17:00PM

Continue like is actually

 * Probably this isn't the best solution actually, but IMO it's the best we can do now. Even if I'd love to see in-depth articles on Mario levels, I guess it's okay to merge some of them in world articles (as we do with the Super Mario Bros. games and probably more). But levels in more recent games are often complex enough to give them separate articles (especially if they are named, not just "World 1-2", but actual names. Those in Super Mario World are actual names for me as well). To sum it up: I think "case by case" is the solution here, rather than a general decision.
 * 1) - Sorry but as another user said before me: If something 'aint broken, don't fix it! These articles just need some help.
 * 2) - Aside from the fact that I created about 60 articles for Wario Land 2 levels and worlds, and I would be really annoyed if they were all merged: I concur with Marioguy1. I am currently at it to revamp the articles for SMB3, and once I'm finished with that, I will take a look at SMW. These articles just need some maintenance/rewrites. Perhaps making a PipeProject would be meaningful, but don't make the situation more complicated with rashly decided merges/splits/etc.
 * 3) Per all.

Comments
I abstain from voting on this proposal. I feel that we need a uniform way to have these articles, but we would end up with many more stubs, which would take up space on our server as well as make us look unorganized. I feel before any action is taken, we need to expand these little stub sections. After that, we can reconsider making it with each article.

Change FA removal of votes rules
Well, if you have seen the Luigi nomination page, it is full of votes from the kind of "ZOMG LUIGI PWNS!!!" which are not valid reasons, and to remove them, we must go throught the sloooow process of getting 5 votes to remove them, which is as slow as annoying. So I propose any admin has the right to remove those votes who do anything but help. Who supports?

Proposer: Deadline: October 13, 2009, 17:00

Get rid of those votes

 * 1) - Per me.
 * 2) - Instant per for Tucayo.
 * 3) I agree.
 * 4) Luigi wouldn't be a featured article any time soon, but I think the fan votes are a waste of space and should get stopped immediately.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Users should have a good reason to vote, not LUIGI PWNS! Per Tucayo.
 * 7) I am Zero! Although sometimes not all the time I would consider that an actual vote, your right there needs to be a good reason why the article should go up. Zero signing out.
 * 8) Fan votes are completely harmless, but I dislike to see them cluttering the whole page like that.
 * 9) - Per Tucayo.
 * 10) - Per everyone.
 * 11) - Per everybody.

Keep those votes

 * OK guys, before going "ZOMG, fan votes suck, let's remove them", please read this. First of all: You can't remove support votes from FA nominations, even if 5 users agree. And there are good reasons for that. "Fan votes", as you call them, do no harm. It simply doesn't matter if there are 5 or 500 support votes. As long as there is a single valid oppose vote, support votes don't matter. So why care about them? What's even more important is the point that what a fan vote actually is is unclear. I saw many people removing votes they believed were "fan votes" (probably in good faith), but most of the votes could actually refer to the page and thus were perfectly valid. For example, a vote such as "ZOMG LUIGI PWNS" looks like a "fan vote", but who are you to say the voter just talked about the character, not the article Luigi? Maybe he thinks that the article "pwns"? It would be unfair to remove those votes. Oh, and another point: Supporters are not even required to give "valid" reasons when supporting an FA nomination (what would such a reason look like anyway? Think about it - it could only consist of a listing of the FA requirements, which would be really redundant). Thus, you have no right to remove "fan votes" (votes without reasons just count as much as such with valid reasons, so why remove "fan votes"?). Sure, at first glance this looks like a proposal you can't oppose, but please think about it twice.
 * 1) Per Time Q. And didn't it get changed from 5 to 3?
 * 2) - Sorry but what if the votes are for the good of the article but the person who cast them may be bad at phrasing sentences. This voter may be very sad if his vote is removed because of an admin's mistaken judgment. Even admins (this may be a surprise) are wrong occasionally; though not often but still, occasionally. A better form of this proposal would be something like: "Delete FA Nom after 60 days". Sorry Time Q, your vote was long so if you used any of these points in your vote, per Time Q!
 * 3) I have changed my mind. Fan votes are  VERY  annoying, yes, but they could have good intentions. I must assert, however, I think that "ZOMG LUIGI PWNZ" does not help, they should explain how the articles meet the requirements for featuring. However, as Time Q said, the fan votes don't hurt. Per all.
 * 4) – Per Time Q.
 * 5) - considering that only one oppose vote is worth more than 20 fan support vote, I don't see any problem with them.

Comments
Is it even allowed to remove supporting votes? The last time I tried that, SPMB reverted my removal votes and said it isn't valid. -
 * It isn't valid, and it shouldn't be.

I'm just wondering, but what happens if you had a valid reason to vote, but the administrators removed it anyway? -
 * Leave the admin a note on his/her talk page I'd assume. -

Pie Shroom: You're right, it did. However only for oppose votes (support votes still can't be removed).

Time Q: That's what I meant.

Who and why were my headers changed
 * I changed them because they were biased. Please don't use biased headers for proposals, but neutral ones.

TQ and Mg1: Do you know how many users join just to vote and never come back?
 * Yes - so what? Do their votes count less than those of people who are more contributive? Why should we make any difference here?
 * And surely even sockpuppets
 * If support votes do not need to have a valid reason, and they have no actual impact on the nomination... Then why are we even keeping them? They just consume server space and make the page overly long (and don't tell me that 40 lines of "OMGWTF CharaXY pwns da sh-, yo!!!" are of any use for the wiki). -

TimeQ, if someone says that "LUigi PWNSSS!!!!" it sounds very much like the person loves Luigi. If he/she likes the article, he/she should specify it. Besides, like I said, fan votes are no way going to make a nominated FA an FA, but they take up tons of space. Besides, a lot of those fan votes (e.g. Luigie PWNZ!) doesn't make our Wiki sound very, uh "professional"? -

Change FA rules part 1
I have seen many FA rule changing proposals/problems recently so I'd like to clear everything up with some different rules that accommodate almost everyone. Rule: The rule that states you cannot remove support votes, I propose that rule be changed to "You need five users to agree that this vote is a fan vote before deleting it" so that Tucayo's problem with the fan-votes can be solved. Reason: Tucayo said it all in his proposal, some of these votes are just wrong.

Proposer: (With ideas from ) Deadline: October 14th, 2009 (17:00.00)

Allow Support Vote Removal

 * 1) - Read the proposal
 * 2) - This is really needed, the wiki should not be one-sided when removing votes!
 * 3) - Apart from my opinion that even three votes would be enough, I fully agree with this proposal. Fan votes don't have use for the wiki at all and there's no reason to keep votes that don't add new views to a discussion. They're just like comments, and comments do not count as votes as well. Also, per Baby Mario Bloops: Equal rights for both sides!

Change FA rules part 2
Here is the second part of my three part proposal Rule: The rule that says it will take a month of no editing to remove a nomination, I propose that this is changed to a month of no voting OR three months with no verdict AND more than five users opposing. Reason: Some nominations have way too many fans that just won't quit so get rid of the votes if there is a REAL reason to delete them (in other words if five people are opposing, they all agree)

Proposer: (With ideas from ) Deadline: October 14th, 2009 (17:00.00)

Delete Noms After 3 Months

 * 1) - Proposal

Change FA rules part 3
And finally, I'll finish off my proposals with this Rule:Change the rule that says needs all appearances of the character to needs all mario appearances of the character. Reason: This rule is redundant with another rule that states that articles cannot have any unmario appearances, if this rule stays; it will cancel about the featurability of the non-mario articles even if they are the best articles on the wiki!

Proposer: (With ideas from ) Deadline: October 14th, 2009 (17:00.00)

Needs All "Mario" Appearances

 * 1) - Proposal
 * 2) Just making the MarioWiki only have Mario stuff (plus Yoshi and DK parts) and ONLY the Mario stuff makes MarioWiki look like a "one trick pony".

Single Out Some Articles

 * 1) Pretend that you were in other people's shoes. Their are other wiki's (such as Zelda Wiki), would you want them to delete all the Mario stuff they have because it's non-zelda? They richen our Wiki just like the freedom we have joining this wiki. It just doesn't seem right.
 * 2) Dimenshi Knight agrees with BMB. He is right about the DK, Wario, and Yoshi articles you know. Also, what you said is very hurtful to the users that are on the other users. Besides, the wiki can hold non-mario stuff, it's big enough. Your also pretty much stating that the non-mario section in the Shroom should be deleted.

Comments
BMB: What do we care about wikia wikis? We're the mariowiki and if our content is good, who cares what zeldapedia thinks? We care about the community, our community, not zeldapedia's, not Kirby Wiki's and not Wikipedia's
 * MG1: Think about the first sentence I said, "What if you were in their shoes?" I'm surprised you even say that about other Wiki's! The way you stated that was very cruel, because I help out with other Wiki's along with other users on this Wiki, and they would probaly agree with me on this. Our community has many things to do with Kirby, Zelda, Samus, and all the other characters. That's why we need them to stay in this wiki, they are very important to our Wikia!!!
 * Just to add, there is a DK, Wario, and Yoshi Wikia, so, in your words, your saying we should get rid of them because they are techically non-mario. Is that what you want?
 * I'm sorry if I add more confusion-spice to this stew of discussion, but isn't MG1s point just to lighten the requirements for an article to become an FA? To me it sounds like he's just saying "An article can become a FA, even if the article cannot contain all the infos related to the chara (such as Ganondorf)". Am I misinterpreting things? -
 * Thank you edo, you hit the nail on the head! BMB: Sorry, I shouldn't have been so strict, what I meant was I think that we should not discriminate, this is just racism in another form. No matter how you put it this is like gamism, very very bad :( Stop the gamism, feel the power!!!

Miscellaneous
''None at the moment.