Talk:Behemoth

Split Behemoth King from Behemoth
Can I please ask why these two are together? They have different names, different looks, different moves, and different stats. My point being they're different people, so again I ask; why are they together? This might be a little short, but it's because the fact that they're different entities is a simple reason that I really don't need to elaborate.

Proposer: Deadline: March 13, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Split

 * 1) It's my proposal.
 * 2) They are totally different.
 * 3) Per Reversinator comments. I agree!
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) It's not like in the Ridley article where they are the same person and it only matters in a different series. If this gets passed, stats for each should be put on the separate articles.
 * 6) I agree. Different bosses that belong in different articles.
 * 7) If this article gets a split, then it's going to be a per all! So, there you go. Per all!
 * 8) Other than size, power and a crown, there's no difference from Whomp King and other Whomps and they have different articles. And don't even get me started on Chill Bully and Chief Chilly. Per Reversinator and Bop1996.

Don't Split

 * 1) Changes: Color, power, and nothing else. Let's split Star Rod Bowser power-up from Bowser?
 * 2) King Behemoth is mostly a mere palette swap of Behemoth. Really, the differences between the two are too minor to warrant a split between the two. In fact, I wish to see all "powered-up" enemies to be merged with their original forms.
 * 3) Per MS&G in the comments. I don't know what more we can add other than, "More vitality, different attack pattern, and different skin" from not taking any info from Behemoth.

Comments
@DKPetey: Behemoth is already of a great size, and Behemoth King could be expanded. Also, you ignored the fact that they're different entities. --Reversinator 16:40, 27 February 2011 (EST)

@SWFlash: How much of my proposal did you read? They are different people, not just an upgrade like Fire Mario. --Reversinator 08:40, 1 March 2011 (EST)


 * I went up against Behemoth King, and it clearly used the exact same moves as the normal Behemoth. The only main difference between the two are their body colors, and their resilience to attacks; Behemoth King can take more attacks than Behemoth.  16:59, 1 March 2011 (EST)

Reversinator: They might be different creatures, but the only differences these two share are the color, vitality, and the slightly more moves. These mere differences should not merit a split in this article, honestly. If you played the game, you can see that Behemoth King is not much different than Behemoth. I never played the Final Fantasy games, so the boss sure felt like a simple, "powered-up" version of the original. 23:59, 3 March 2011 (EST)

I'm mixed on this. On one, they're just the same with different colors and that Behemoth King's attacks are stronger but on the other side, Dino Piranha & Fire Dino Piranha are different but the fire one is a different color and can spit out fireballs and they both have a separate article. --Gameboyz829 09:08, 7 March 2011 (EST)
 * Well, Fiery Dino Piranha behaves differently than Dino Piranha, and has some additional attacks and abilities. Behemoth King doesn't have any moves that Behemoth can't use.  07:32, 8 March 2011 (EST)

@SW Flash: Chief Chilly and Chill Bully, Whomp King and Whomp, Big Bob-omb and Bob-omb (that one's a stretch, but oh well), the differences between these characters are minimal just like this page. Are you saying you want Chief Chilly/Chill Bully merges?


 * Your logic is flawed. You're comparing a generic enemy and a boss. Behemoth and Behemoth King are both bosses. Also, I assume that most of the supporters here (including the proposer) did not even play the game. 20:30, 9 March 2011 (EST)


 * Okay, forget the Whomp and Bob-omb, but Chill Bully was a boss as was Chief Chilly. Keeping Behemoth King to Behemoth would be like keeping Chief Chilly to Chill Bully (a boss[sure, Chill Bully was a generic enemy in the beta version of Super Mario 64, but not in the final]).


 * Both function very differently, and Chill Bully is not a boss. He's just a large, random enemy you have to defeat to get a star. The boss music doesn't even play when you fight him. Besides, Chief Chilly does not appear in Super Mario 64, and defeating him unlocks a character in Super Mario 64 DS. Behemoth and Behemoth King function the same, appear in the same fashion, and appear in the same game. It's just that one is a different colored one with more HP. 20:44, 10 March 2011 (EST)


 * You can tell a lot from categories. From Chill Bully's categories, you can tell it's from Super Mario 64, it's a character, enemy, Boss and ice creature. Not a boss, huh?
 * Why is Chill Bully listed as BOTH an enemy and a boss? I thought we agreed that they are different things. And from simply reading that article, it certainly doesn't act like a boss. I'm removing the boss category. I get my evidence from the substance of the article and what I played rather than rely on the categories.
 * The heck with Chill Bully, you guys win! However, can you guys, I mean girls, explain bosses like Gobblegut and Fire Gobblegut?
 * Fiery Gobblegut is covered in fire and it leaves fire blasts behind when it digs through the ground. He also spits lava out when he is low on HP, unlike Gobblegut, who simply moves faster. These bosses have more changes than Behemoth and Behemoth King.

I have played this game before and I have played the Behemoth one. I saw a video for the Behemoth King. There isn't much difference besides color and Behemoth King's attacks are a bit more stronger than Behemoth's. I'm kinda leaning toward the Don't Split side.--Gameboyz829 18:35, 10 March 2011 (EST)


 * Exactly. People need to play the game or see the videos before they can jump right to conclusions. 20:44, 10 March 2011 (EST)