MarioWiki:Main Page talk archive 30

New Super Mario Bros. series
Seeing as there are now four New Super Mario Bros. games, should there be a page for the subseries? Pokemega32 06:56, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
 * We should, seeing as that we have series articles for the Mario Baseball and Mario Strikers series, despite both of them currently only have two games in the series. GreenDisaster 07:25, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Apples and oranges. The NSMB series is an extension of the core Super Mario platformer series: split it out and you have to split out the original SMB series, figure out what to do with SMW and SM3DL, and decide whether to include SMG and SMG2 in with the direct-sequel-less 3D platformers or give it its own subseries (and if you include remakes, SMA and SMAS would need addressing too). It's a very slippery slope. By comparison, even if there's only two of each, the Baseball and Strikers titles are completely unique from any other sports title. The only way you could not have them exist as series is by collapsing all the sports games into one mega subseries, but given the number of Tennis and Golf games, that would make organization an inefficient mess. Another thing to consider is that once you have series pages, that means rearranging the Histories too, which would be a huge undertaking, and would necessitate moving a lot of the core series info way far down the Histories. Seeing as these games are the backbone of Mario franchise as a whole, keeping them together, as high as possible on the pages, makes far more sense. Reorganizing Super Mario (series) to lump the different Super Mario branches might be a good idea, however, as long as there's still a bullet-point list at the top showing the straight chronological order of all of 'em, or something like that. - 20:47, 8 June 2012 (EDT)

I am not sure, because the series is only 4 games, and it is part of the Super Mario series, like many other games. So we can, but we should make one for each subseries. User: Owen422

Concerning the trivia section.
"Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! (pictured) is the first game in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series which Pauline is giving a voice."

Not only is this grammatically incorrect, it's also wrong. When Donkey Kong '94 was played on Super Game Boy, Pauline's cries of "help!" could be heard in a digitized voice. It doesn't work on emulators, but I recall seeing a video of it some time ago which I can't seem to find again. So if someone else could provide proof, that would be much appreciate it. - SiFi 07:25, 16 June 2012 (EDT)


 * While she does speak in DK94 (here's proof), the Trivia's about the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series, and DK94 is more of a precursor to the series, so it's not actually wrong. (But the grammar has been fixed.) - 18:55, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

Organization of Games?
I'll like to know how are the games in character articles are organized? Like are they organized alphabetically or chronologically or something else?
 * History sections are chronological, but grouped by series; if there's a stand-alone game or if only one game in a series appears, don't bother with a series sub-header. Templates are supposed to be purely chronological, with any series-wide template being placed at the point in which the series first appears. Categories are alphabetical. Non-game-based templates and categories go before the game-based templates and categories, except for merchandise-based categories, which go at the very bottom. Here's a (hypothetical) comparison chart:


 * All this applies to all types of appearances, not just games: in other words, movies, comics, books and TV shows would all be mixed in with the games in the Histories, templates and categories. And just in case you're wondering, cameos go at the bottoms of History pages (under an overall "Cameos" subheader), and a "Background" section is sometimes included at the top, i.e. for characters that had history as babies (such as Bowser, who also has a "Cameos" section, by the way), or one-off characters who have backstory set before their game starts (like the Shadow Queen). There can even be a "Creation"/"Creation and Development" section placed before the History section, which covers the characters Real Life history; Luigi has an example of this sort of section. Finally, for the record, the polices themselves can be found here for the Histories, here for the Templates, and here for the Categories. -  20:59, 19 June 2012 (EDT)


 * But wait! What about {Mario Party Characters}?
 * I didn't use Mario Party in my example, so that's not applicable. It also wouldn't be a proper template if it even existed: templates should be about everything in a game, not just one aspect, and templates about one aspect across an entire series are also highly dissuaded (I just included a "MK Series Characters" template in my example to show how the odd acceptable series-wide template would be placed). - 20:53, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

False trivia
Henry Ford did not create the automobile; that machine was first created by German engineers in the mid 1870s. It should be noted that Henry's name is based on the misconception that the car was invented by Henry Ford.  BNK [ E 23:34, 14 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Good call: I tried to make it a bit more historically accurate - 20:03, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

New section
Hello mario wiki staff i couldnt help but notice that your news paper doesnt have a comic section i figured i could partake in said missing section i(think) i have a preview for your viewing eyes

[[File:C:\Documents and Settings\Malik Due\My Documents\M&L TIP\Delfino airstrip


 * You mean File:Mario and luigi ep 1-1.PNG? I was under the impression that they do have a comic, but either way, if you want to contribute to The 'Shroom, you have to talk to The 'Shroom staff: their names are listed here. -  18:19, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

it should be mentioned
I realized that nowhere mentions that Donkey Kong is a reference to King Kong.

also in the original Donkey Kong game, the ape kidnaps pauline and takes her to the top of a building (which is under construction), similar to how king kong did


 * Actually, the storyline of Donkey Kong was originally based off of Popeye. King Kong's influence was mostly an afterthought.--Vommack (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2012 (EDT)


 * oh! well shouldn't that be mentioned?


 * Please sign your comments, I probably should be mentioned.

the whole "King Kong" thing shouldn't be mentioned. IT'S 2 OBVIOUS Bonkaman (talk) 21:34, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Mushroom Arena
Why don't we make an arena like SmashWiki and Donkey Kong Wiki!!! The Awesome  12:48, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Chat
As you created the chat (I'm Italian wiki)--Wariomoto (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2012 (EDT)


 * We use this WebChat extension along with our IRC rooms. -- 17:20, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

Incorrect Trivia
The trivia section forgets that Kamek / Magikoopa is also on a stool in at least the Don't Look minigame. Moolala (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2012 (EDT)

How do I add a page
How do I add a page or edit a page that currently has no text in it ? Davebrayfb (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Are you autoconfirmed? You cannot create new pages if you are not autoconfirmed.

Not agreed!
(From = Did You Know?/ Home Page) *Bowser Jr.'s Fearsome Fleet is the only galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy 2 where Yoshi can be in the Grand Star victory pose.

I don't agree with it. You can also see Yoshi on the Grand Star Pose in Bowser's Galaxy Generator if you use Yoshi's infinite flutter jump. You guys have to change this. 07:32, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Something for you: it pr'y shoulda said "where Yoshi must be in the..."

NIWA Check in request
Hello, I'm dkpat from Golden Sun Universe/NIWA. I recently made a thread on the NIWA forums that requests that an admin from each wiki "check-in" and give an update on their wiki activity. I would appreciate it if someone from SMW could check in. Thank you. Link Dkpat (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
 * This is currently being discussed on the forums.

Grammar Mistake
Um... On the Did You Know? "Shuri name" should be changed to "Shuri's name." User: Meester Tweester 06:10, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Signature Creation Page: PROBLEM
Okay, so I had problems with the /sig and /Sig pages before. But I just found out why many signatures go wrong.

When you go to this page: http://www.mariowiki.com/Help:Signature there is a problem. Under the "Preparing for Usage" section, there should be a second } at the end of the "quote" thing. This should be changed!

Pullblox / Pushmo info
Should information be created on this eShop exclusive. It features many puzzles based on Mario characters including Mario himself. If it abides under MarioWiki policies, I'll go ahead and make it myself. Thanks, 15:17, 13 November 2012 (EST)
 * So it's kinda like Art Style: PiCTOBiTS for DSiWare? We have a page on that (and Tetris DS), so we should have a page on this too (but not full coverage since it's not a full crossover: just an article for the game itself, not on the characters and other non-Mario stuff). - 12:27, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * No no we won't go into detail. Basically some puzzles are based on retro Mario enemies and characters. I'll go ahead and make the article then. Thanks for answering, 13:59, 17 November 2012 (EST)

MarioWiki
Hello, could you make a version of this wiki in Spanish? If the answer is yes, how could I be the admin?Plis¡¡Reason: I'm 100% Spanish is an important language and(use a translator to communicate with you) --Mario12345678 (talk) 11:13, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * We're not in the business of making non-English versions of our wiki, but you can always make a Spanish Mario wiki yourself, if you're up to it, like how others have made Italian and German wikis (both of which we are affiliated with). - 12:21, 17 November 2012 (EST)

If possible I would, but do not in MediaWiki wikis and a Spanish version ganariais more fame, besides what you have done with the Italian and the other.--Mario12345678 (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (EST)

Poll Spelling Mistake
"I think it has the potential turn out great." on the poll should be "I think it has the potential to turn out great." Tell me if I'm wrong and change it if that's right. Thanks! It's Meester Tweester! 20:09, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Change the Paper Mario fact!
Since both Spiky and Spiny Tromps appear in the new Mario game, the fact that shows which Paper Mario characters appear in 3D games should be changed to add them. --Spookum (talk) 21:14, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 * Ummm... neither of them appear in 3D Games, but i see how that might be true. Spiky must be Lakilester, since when you battle him he's known as Spiky. Both of them re-appear in Super Paper Mario, but only when Mario flips. But that also means every enemy that was remade into SPM must be 3D. Keep in mind that they still have 2D sprites. This is controversial, so whoever reads this should post a comment.[[Image:Tweester.gif]] It's Meester Tweester! 05:58, 19 November 2012 (EST)
 * He's referring to the fact that Spiky Tromps and Spiny Tromps, which were originally Paper Mario series exclusive enemies, have made their debut in a traditional Mario platformer. Also, Spookum, please don't forget to sign your comments. --

Polls
CANCELLED

The main page would be more interesting if there were new polls every week.

Proposer:

Oppose

 * 1) This wouldn't work given the way the system was designed to work.

Comments
I don't have an opinion (I'd personally rather get rid of the polls entirely, but I assume that's an unpopular opinion), but this probably shouldn't be a talk page proposal. Don't be surprised if you're asked to move this to the main proposals page. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 13:11, 19 December 2012 (EST)

As the Poll Chairperson, let me say that the way our system works is that we use one week to nominate polls, and the second week to vote on them. It's a system that puts less strain on us, and gives more readers a chance to vote. I'd rather we not change this. Crocodile Dippy (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2012 (EST)


 * Yeah, no, this is not what TPPs are for, so I closed it (it was also formatted wrong, fyi: the deadline should've been after two weeks, not one, and this wasn't listed on Proposals). You could make a proposal instead, but I don't recommend it either: just let the folks in charge of the polls run it the way that works for them. - 19:24, 19 December 2012 (EST)

fake templates
what is wrong with fake templates?? Here's the answer: NOTHING!! yet you delete all of them on the talks and ask us to get rid of the ones on our userpages. It's not fair!!!!! whats wrong with humor?

A rumor was realesed.
I found a website that says that in the ssb game that a new yoshi charecter would apeare but before ssb4 is realesed they will realese a new yoshi game in which the new yoshi charecter will make his debut no official name has been anounced, but debu is a name they tossed around but it may be a joke because debu is japanese for fat. --96.39.100.98 (talk)
 * It's just a rumor on GameFAQs that was unconfirmed. We don't know yet if the user is credible or not.

Poll Message
"There is an open world in Superstar Saga and part of Bowser's Inside Story."

Halopedia!?
Why is halopedia in the bar at the bottom of the page? Are we affiliated in some way?--
 * Steve owns it. --Glowsquid (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2013 (EST)

God knows, but my Mariowiki(Chinese) account is blocked for THE WHOLE YEAR UNTIL 13Feb2014!!!!!!! 670839245 (talk) 18:21, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Put that on the forums--


 * Also please don't drag your problems onto this wiki or you may get in trouble here as well.


 * 22:04, 13 February 2013 (EST)

What's going on here?
The "Did You Know?" section is filled with jokes and false information. also the "Mario & Nintendo News" has false and unofficial information.


 * What are you on about? It's not like today is one of those days where no one is serious...


 * 22:48, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

what? Ooooooooohhh i get it lol.

I'm Serious For Info.! (A WikiGuest)
 * I really thought some vandal made that edit... 23:10, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Does anybody know the release date of Luigi's Mansion 3: Revenge Of King Boo's Mother?


 * It's too early for another LM sequel. Also, guys, have faith in our research: everything in the DYK is true, ya know. - 23:31, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Fun fact: today is april fools day. get a calender.


 * It's true, trust me.

K, I've got a winner. How about Swoon.exe made into its own game?

I know that this is April Fool's day, but PLEASE take me seriously. (Mailbag?)
I think a mailbag would be a good idea. Now before you respond, read this. First, I don't know if there already is a mailbag here, because I don't keep up to date with all the features of this site, I just read the wiki. If a mailbag is started I would like to be a responder. I googled for a Mario mailbag but all I found was the SMBHQ one, that hasn't been active for years, and the TMK one, which not only hasn't been active since December, but is also a little too strange for my tastes. (I don't really like or look at TMK anyway.) I just want to be a mailbag responder on some kind of Mario mailbag, so I looked here first. Kelton2: Your neighborhood wiki helper. (talk) 12:57, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

Holy grail
What's all that holy grail stuff about? RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 08:29, 4 April 2013 (EDT)


 * Follow the link! Basically we're highlighting hard-to-come-by article coverage, and inviting users to help fill the gaps if they are knowledgeable about anything that is needed.


 * 08:32, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

GFDL
Before June 9, 2010, the wiki was licensed under the GFDL license. Does this mean that work before June 9, 2010 can be taken from here? Just asking as I don't understand that much about this licensing stuff :/. If I ever do, I will make sure to give credit make appropriate changes if needed. 76.22.61.64 12:52, 5 April 2013 (EDT)


 * You can use content before that date under GFDL or you can use our current content under CC BY-SA. -- 13:21, 5 April 2013 (EDT)


 * Thanks, but I guess to help keep the wiki's own modern content, I'll use anything on December 31, 2009 or earlier. 76.22.61.64 13:45, 5 April 2013 (EDT)


 * See the Wikipedia guidelines on reusing content because the same principles apply. -- 14:07, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

Featured Article
Wasn't Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door supposed to be the featured article starting today? It said it would on it's nomination page.
 * I don't think it has passed yet, I think it passes on the 9th if unopposed

Super Mario Argumented Reality
Did anyone see this new video of Nintendo's New AR game? Look Here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8Tub3gtew

Who's Online
Wouldn't it be a cool idea to have a who's online tracker on the main page? (If you don't know what the who's online tracker is, check my userpage. Please post the answer to this question on my talk page. Thanks!) KoopaHammerman
 * We already have Who's Online on Special:RecentChanges, which makes much more sense than putting it on the Main Page. - 22:56, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Not a good idea
Looked at the most recent poll. I dunno if you can change polls, but...with what's going on in Korea, 'Master race' is kinda pushing it. So personally, I'd change the wording, but it's up to the admins. Pink Boozooka 20:21, 27 April 2013

No thank you. -Crocodile Dippy (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

Small "Mario and Nintendo News Error"
Under the Mario and Nintendo News section on the main page, it still says New Super Luigi U is pictured, but Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D is now pictured. Could somebody fix this? --174.59.4.202 11:06, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

John Leguizamo Anniversary Greeting
I posted this to the forums and was told it might be a good idea to share it to the talk page here to get opinion on whether it merits inclusion on the front page news. The following is a [smbmovie.com video greeting] that John Leguizamo made for the 20th anniversary of the live-action film. Sounds newsworthy to me, especially as this is the "Year of Luigi." What does everyone think? Redstar (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Dreambert
Dreambert is a Pi'illow that appears in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team. He is the leader of the Pi'illows, and not much else is known about him.

How do you edit the main page?
How do you edit the main page? Do you have to do something? User:SuperMarioBros

Eldream
Is anyone gonna make an article about Eldream?

Best Buy Demos
Super Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8 are to be playable at Best Buy. Should this be mentioned in the games' respective articles or where else?--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 17:58, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Super Mario Flash Games
Hi Mariowiki staff and members,

I crated various Flash Game sites (publishing Flash Games) and my newest one is dedicated to Mario on the site Jogos-Mario.org. My question: I found for many other games sites to pull Mario Flash games automatically via a feed, however for Mario I can't find it. I see there are some Gambe distribution sites which have some Mario Games on it, but not organized that well. Do you know of any good sites for that?

Much appreciated

Mike


 * Sorry, but we try to keep our focus solely on games authorized by Nintendo, so I'm afraid we can't help you on this one. - 20:10, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
 * ...except that we have an entire list of websites affiliated with the wiki, including a couple of flash game sites. What's the requirement for being an affiliate site, anyways?
 * There are no requirements; anyone can sign themselves up as an affiliate, and what they do with their websites has no bearing on what we do with ours. -- 22:41, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Mario & Luigi: Dream Team News

 * Turns out Dreambert is a prince.

Origin
Wait a minute, hold everything for just 1 second. Is it just me or do all these Mario series games somehow seem to be a little bit Japanese? No offense, but during the credits of the games (that I played), some of the producers names seem to sound a bit Japanese. E.g Shigeru Miyamoto.--Toadettefan1000 (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Nintendo was founded in Japan, and some of the most important key people in Nintendo are Japanese. There are two headquarters in Tokyo and Kyoto.

Cool! I didn't know that- wait a sec, didn't Tokyo go down in a heap of rubble during the earthquake and tsunami??? Nintendo games should've been discontinued.--Toadettefan1000 (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Nintendo's Headquarters and main buildings weren't harmed. --72.53.147.104 10:17, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Just before I officially leave/quit, I wanna make my last few edits here. I almost forgot to point out that there are 2 characters that hint the games origin: Yoshi and Sushis (which are those sharks). Yoshi sounds a bit Japanese and Sushi is Japanese food.--Toadettefan1000 (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2013 (EDT)

Trivia, Luigi
Is there a source for that point as I can't find it on either the Shellcreeper article or in Luigi's Creation/Development on his article and when I read I do smell a strong 'not true' smell.

Japanese Names
Why do we use Katakana instead of Hiragana for the Japanese names of characters and enemies? I'm a bit curious. Binarystep (talk) 13:42, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
 * Because that's how Nintendo of Japan named them. As for why they did it, it's probably for the same reason anime, manga and other video game characters, items and species (like all the Pokémon) do it - which boils down to emphasis and branding stuff, as far as I know. Lots of the names are also onomatopoeia (like "Nokonoko" and "Patapata") or derived from non-Japanese words (i.e. "Mario", "Yellow Star" and even "Kuppa"), which are the other main uses of katakana. - 19:04, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

The thing about Mario Party
Somethings wrong, why does it say "as a bosses"?

Mario & Nintendo News
I found out that Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels was released on Wii U Virtual Console in Japan on August 8, 2013. Can you please add that to "Mario & Nintendo News"? Thanks.


 * Can you provide a source for this?

Trivia
In the Japanese version of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', Larson's house had a Toad-shaped chalk outline and dried blood on the floor. This was removed in the North America version.''

Pardon me but, from since Larson has got a house? If I can remember well, the house you are talking about belongs to an unnamed bandit (the one who stole half of Mario's coins at the start of the game)-- 15:17, 10 August 2013 (EDT)


 * nvm, I'm sure now that I'm correct.-- 14:09, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Spoiler
Shouldn't there be an Spoiler that you can toggle on and off. If spoilers are on all tagged text will be with a black backround so you can't see it. --Tonkku107 (talk) 10:51, 27 August 2013 (EDT)
 * This has been discussed several times before, and the answer has always been no. When people come to a Wiki they should expect spoilers. -- 15:50, 27 August 2013 (EDT)

Images
I've noticed that some images (Super Mario 3D World most notably) display differently than they're supposed to.


 * How so?


 * 17:09, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

They display as if they have not been updated yet when they have.


 * This is a bug that many different wiki-hosting websites have (MediaWiki, Wikia, ShoutWiki, etc.), and as far as I know, there is no way to fix it other than to wait a few days. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple


 * To see immediate changes, refresh the page while viewing the file page, as well as the articles the image(s) is used on.


 * 17:17, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
 * That doesn't always fix it. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple


 * Try pressing Ctrl+R-- 04:59, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

You are banned from the channel #mwchat
What is this nonsense? Unban me now!!! 16:39, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Whining about it and being rude won't get you unbanned. There was a reason you were banned - if you want to be unbanned you should prove that you learned your lesson. -- 15:59, 13 October 2013 (EDT)


 * It's been sorted..


 * 17:16, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Template Issue
When I used the Dtenemy template for the Block Monolift X enemy, the enemy template's title remained as Block Monolift even though I had set the template's title to Block Monolift X. If that didn't make sense, just compare the code on the page to what you actually see on the article and you'll see what I mean. Anyone know how to fix this?


 * There is no 'title' parmeter, use 'name' instead -- 17:03, 14 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Strange, that's the parameter seen on the usage details of the template. Either way, it works so thanks.

How do i add a page
please tell me how

See here, but you must be autoconfirmed first, meaning you must make 5 mainspace edits and wait a few days.

INAPPROPRIATE TEXT
as you can see the history of "Octoomba", a ip has added very bad text to the history. and ofensive. is there away to delete that text? thank you


 * Done, thanks.


 * 06:43, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

Fix Links
I've realized some of the links to other wikis are not working, for example, the Kid Icarus or Dragon Quest ones. What's wrong?
 * I tested it, it is indeed working. Took me to Kid Icarus Wiki and Dragon Quest Wiki. 20:10, 7 November 2013 (EST)

bad words
124.176.49.242 added swear words to artical, please remove

portecting kiddy kong is not necessary
it is not necessary to portect kiddy kong. its not realy getting vandalised. i want to make good changes to kiddy kong. please unportect it!
 * Sorry, in an ideal world, everyone can edit anything they like, but we live with vandals so we must protect some of our pages to stop vandalism. The protection should be only temporarily so the vandal will lose interest at some point. 23:08, 15 November 2013 (EST)

actualy there is not temporary becuse it says it is "indifinite" which i think mean not temporary. PLEASE UNPORTECT KIDDY KONG PLEASE!!!

UNPORTECT KIDDY KONG NOW PLESE THERE ARE NO VANDALS, I WANT TO MAKE GOOD CHANGES TO KIDDY KONG PLEASE UNPORTECT IT!!!
 * "No" is the best answer and please learn how to spell "protect". Stop whining. Now, have a good day. 23:15, 15 November 2013 (EST)


 * Either create an account, and then wait to become Autoconfirmed. Or discuss changes on the talk page. Either way, we are not unprotecting the page at this point.


 * 23:16, 15 November 2013 (EST)
 * Well, what do you know, the user is evading a ban. 23:18, 15 November 2013 (EST)
 * Pwned 23:19, 15 November 2013 (EST)

Password-Reset Help
Hey! I'm Mario3D64. I've forgotten my password, and the email address associated with it has been deleted. Is there an alternative way to change my password? Sorry for putting this here if it doesn't belong; I'm not sure where else to put it. Thanks, though!


 * What's your new email? -- 00:53, 29 November 2013 (EST)

It's clawpower2@gmail.com

It worked! Thanks very much! Mario3D64 (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2013 (EST)

Language
How make the Wiki in Spanish like it is in Italian and German? YoshiAwsumness (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2013 (EST)


 * Someone else would have to make a Spanish language wiki of their own and then approach us for affiliation and interwiki linking. That's what happened with the Italian and German wikis: we didn't make them, and have no plans on making any other language wikis ourselves either. - 18:17, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Removing comments and warnings.
I know we have a policy against removing warnings and comments (for an understandable reason, too), but shouldn't we also address this potential "badge of shame" problem as well? We're not Wikipedia, but Wikipedia may have a good reason for why users are allowed to remove warnings as well, especially generally good-faith users removing them. 01:26, 13 December 2013 (EST)
 * No. Warnings serve as a permanent record. Have you heard the saying, "China and reputation are easily shattered and never well mended"? Besides, what's happened in the past shouldn't matter what has happened in the present; if the user has redeeming himself after getting the warning, he has really no fear of getting another warning. To get a warning like this anyway, you'd be breaking the rules, something I think is deserved for acting before you think. Warning templates make it easier for us to keep track of users who are bad, and it also keeps track of their infractions which could lead them to a ban. If a user feels like a warning is undeserved, they may appeal it to remove any time. 01:34, 13 December 2013 (EST)
 * Have you ever heard of the term "scarlet letter"? Warnings are meant to be... well, warnings, not branding users as misbehaving people for others to see. Restoring comments may lead to counterproductive edit wars. A better way to see how a user is going is through contributions, history pages, and block logs rather than talk pages. If people attempt to remove older warnings and reminders, especially after the issue is rested, restoring these warnings and reminders can respawn the problem. Appealing warnings does not remove them, as it leaves a blemish behind, showing where the warning previously was. 02:02, 13 December 2013 (EST)
 * It depends on how you perceive it. Warnings are not intended to be scarlet letters. Rather, they're supposed to give users insight on what they had done wrong. Allowing them to remove warnings at will because it looks humiliating is petty. Besides, if the user decides to reform, this thing will become a relic of the past. If you really don't like it on your talk page, you can always archive it. Focus on the present and learn from your mistakes from the past. That's what the warning is supposed to be for. If you look at it another way, that's another way of saying that you take it too personally. People who assign this usually have nothing against you. Rather, they're just trying to help out by letting you know what you did wrong. If it's humiliating, I think you're just internalizing it rather than the issuer's true intentions. 02:13, 13 December 2013 (EST)
 * Warnings are still treated like scarlet letters; scarlet letters are counterproductive and are often not worth it; also, removing warnings indicates that users have read the warning and understood what happened. Remember, we should assume good faith, not that the user removed it because they are ignoring it or they want to hide it. If users have stopped their distributive behavior and removed their warning, why should the warning be restored? They should not be permanent records. In fact, old warnings become irrelevant, so I don't see why those need to be kept anyway. They can be on archives, but they're still there and can be a painful reminder for some users. I think warnings being treated as permanent records can scare and intimidate new users, especially those that get warnings early.
 * By no means am I supporting vandals remove warnings at will. I do, however, want to consider the new users and users that haven't disruptive for years since the last disruption. Once the mistake is learned and corrected, we don't have to leave it as a mark. 02:24, 13 December 2013 (EST)
 * I don't see any evidence of warnings being treated like scarlet letters, nor do I see how they are counter-productive. Usually, major infractions constitute a warning, and often these infractions are the ones counter-productive to the wiki, rather than the warning itself. Usually, minor infractions come with an informal reminder, then a reminder, then a warning. If the user still doesn't get the clue about what he is doing wrong, we have no choice but to enforce our policies. The warning is there to enforce our policies so less counter-productive activities will take place. Usually, bad editors are the ones who remove the warning template. Anyway, new editors should probably read our policy pages before taking action, just to know how it's like around here. Again, new users are susceptible to act, uh, nooby at times, and that's ok - we guide them and give them friendly, informal reminders. Warnings, however, are pretty severe actions compared to these. The warning is considered a permanent record. Just like your suspension or something. It won't get removed any time, and I don't see any benefit of removing it other than some deeply personal issue about it being "humiliating", which wasn't the warning's intention in the first place. You're still missing out on "focus on the present and learn from the past" from my comments. 02:37, 13 December 2013 (EST)

New Article?
I am wondering, should we have a "List of differences between PAL and North America Region content"? Or does something like that already exist?
 * Other than names, most games have little differences between. The only game I know that had significant differences is Luigi's Mansion 20:36, 22 December 2013 (EST)
 * See Version Differences. Ideally, most game should have these sections (unless they were only released once in one language in one region, I suppose). The example section to base future efforts on would be this one, about Super Mario World. - 00:51, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Coming to a close?
Listen guys, YOL will continue next year. Someone needs to get rid of the "YOL is coming to a close" part of the Main Page. (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2013 (EST)
 * Just call it "Year of Luigi". I hate being reminded of YOLO (and the phrase is grammatically incorrect as well, but whatever). 01:04, 26 December 2013 (EST)


 * "There are some Year of Luigi activities that will continue into 2014" - the activities will continue, but the "Year of Luigi" itself (2013) is still coming to a close. -- 01:08, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Mario & Nintendo News
Please announce that:
 * Super Mario Bros. 3 was released on the Wii U Virtual Console in Japan on December 25, 2013 and on the 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console in Europe and Australia on December 26, 2013.
 * Mario Tennis was released on the 3DS Virtual Console in North America on December 26, 2013. It will be released in Europe and Australia on January 2, 2014.

That is all. Thanks. --Tryloubliss (talk) 18:48, 26 December 2013 (EST)
 * Added. Thanks. 18:54, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Ads
Can we do what Bulbapedia does and block bad ads?

I don't know if it is possible but I do know for sure that after a certain amount of edits the ads become hidden. I don't use any ad blocker on the Internet and when I am logged in no ads show up at all. I could be wrong though, I am not familiar how it is worked out. Also if you have Google Chrome you can go to extensions and get the AdBlock extension for free. 14:09, 29 December 2013 (EST)
 * If you have Firefox, you can get AdBlock Plus, which is actually what YoshiGo99 just mentioned. 15:33, 29 December 2013 (EST)
 * Ads are necessary for the upkeep of the wiki: they generate revenue needed to host this. If you have an issue with this, I suggest you contact, since he owns and operates the server here 15:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)
 * If ads really bother you, get Adblock Plus 2.4 for Firefox. If you use anything else I don't know how to help you. YoshiAwsumness (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2013 (EST)

kirby wiki
are any of you on wikirby because they do not have a page about kirby: triple deluxe. ( the new game)


 * Well, I am, but I'm inactive. WiKirby is a very slow, inactive wiki at the time of this writing. It will eventually get its own page. 20:28, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Userpage making?
I'm sorry if this sounds dumb but I cant seem to make my userpage when I go over my username it says alt-shift but I dont know what that means can someone please help

In order to make your userpage, you must be autoconfirmed. The alt-shift thing is just a hotkey for your userpage.

Okay but how do I get autoconfirmed.

Four days and five edits. Also, in order to make any page, including your sig, you must be autoconfirmed. Then you can create those pages.

Thank you for your help,I didn't think anyone would answer me!

Don't worry, there is always somebody active at Mariowiki!

Did You Know
When looking at the Did You Know section of the Maintain This Page at the bottom of the Main Page, it said the facts should be from this week's new articles. Could someone clarify that for me? (I have a new fact idea.) DoubleDoubleJ (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2014 (EST)


 * Hm, that is a bit unclear. I think it just means that every week, four new articles should provide the four new points (rather than mining the same pages over and over for factoids). - 19:29, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Mario & Nintendo News
Please change:
 * Mario Tennis was released on the 3DS Virtual Console in North America on December 26, 2013. It will be released in Europe and Australia on January 2, 2014.

To:
 * Mario Tennis was released on the 3DS Virtual Console in North America on December 26, 2013 and in Europe and Australia on January 2, 2014.

In the Mario & Nintendo News. Thanks. --Tryloubliss (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2014 (EST)


 * Done. Thanks. - 19:26, 2 January 2014 (EST)

NIWA Network
There's a new member coming to the NIWA Network on January 17th, as evidenced here. Might be worth noting. Awsum!!!!! 23:27, 13 January 2014 (EST)
 * What do you mean by that??? Tvtrashsig.png (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2014 (EST)
 * I don't see how you don't understand. He was very clear: a new wiki is joining the NIWA Network tomorrow and he suggested it be noted somewhere, like the main page.
 * It's the Hard Drop Tetris Wiki being a new member so the NIWA affiliates need to be changed. 20:34, 17 January 2014 (EST)
 * Usually a lot of people mean "people" when they say "Members". Tvtrashsig.png (aka TVTrash) 01:39, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Come on, people!
Who the heck had the idea of extending autoblocks to 1 WEEK rather than 1 day? That's ridiculous, and it probably is hurting people in the long run! The Chain Chomp (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Also, blocks for IP's lasting 6 months are TOO long because it says on the policy that IP's should be blocked AT MOST for a few months! I wouldn't call 6 months "a few!" The Chain Chomp (talk) 18:47, 14 January 2014 (EST)


 * The admins have the final say on such matters. Sometimes, it's necessary to block an IP for longer than usual, usually when dealing with persistent vandals. We won't simply block an IP for six months right off the bat.


 * 18:50, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Well, I saw a few IP addresses that were blocked for 6 months and had no history of being blocked and weren't connected to any persistent vandals, like the one that wrote "hi" on your talkpage. The Chain Chomp (talk) 18:52, 14 January 2014 (EST)


 * That one was probably a sockpuppet of some other IP who always vandalizes.


 * The admins have "checkuser" rights, where they can see if an IP matches with any editing users, and vice versa. I assume that the reason for the block was taken from there.


 * 19:02, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Hard Drop Tetris Wiki
Tetris Wiki just came as NIWA's 22nd member today. Awsum!!!!! 22:57, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Help
How do I edit my user page?


 * See here.

text at top
Is it possible for a certain user to see a different thing at the top only (right now, it shows "If a change is minor, backed by policy or already widely agreed upon by an informal consensus on the talk page, there's no need to go through the Talk Page Proposal process."? I want it to say something different right now. Wintermelon43 (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2014 (EST)


 * That's the SiteNotice, and the admins change it periodically to call attention to wiki policies or information of note. There's not a way for you to change what it says.


 * 21:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Unblock me
it is 01:46, 5 February 2014 (EST), unblock me now that my blocke expired. The IP of Trash 01:46, 5 February 2014 (EST)
 * Blocks run out automatically (as yours did, at 13:38 - the same time you were blocked), and being pushy like that actually works against your favour. - 12:51, 7 February 2014 (EST)

Transparency hover-over
Is there a way to make it so the transparency appears while your cursor hovers over an image (applied in many wikis, especially those for dark-color backgrounds)? It would look nicer on, say, custom CSS. 22:28, 19 February 2014 (EST)

I'm not good with css but try this: .gallerybox .thumb img:hover, .thumb img:hover { background: url("/images/Checker-16x16.png") repeat; } -- 08:20, 5 March 2014 (EST)
 * 1) file img,

Is there any chance I can get unbanned from the forums?
I know this is gonna be a long shot, but I was permabanned from the forums a few years ago (I honestly don't remember how many years ago, 3? 4?), but I'm wondering if there was any chance I could get unbanned, considering how long it's been? (I know the answer will probably be no, but I just felt like asking and getting it over with. 04:30, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Website Question
Anybody know if there is a Wire Spin And Jump move in Mario Vs Donkey Kong or 5 Gold Coin item in Mario And Luigi Dream Team Rodkimble (talk) 00:43, 8 March 2014 (EST)

Mario Kart 8 tracks
I propose we write articles for the Mario Kart 8 courses that have been confirmed already. If you guys approve, I'll get started immediately. Anyone who wants to help me is welcome.

KingKamek



Better word
I have an suggestion for change a word:

Original:

" "Paper Mario "was originally supposed to be titled "*Super Mario RPG 2 , the makers of "Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars "."
 * ""(pictured)"; the name was changed due to complications involvingSquaresoft

Better:

"Paper Mario "was originally supposed to be titled "*Super Mario RPG 2, the developers of "Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars "."
 * ""(pictured)"; the name was changed due to complications involvingSquaresoft


 * If you mean just change "makers" to developers, then I agree.-- 16:30, 23 March 2014 (EDT)
 * Yes, is that I meanAshleySmooth.png  Ashley   ( and Red )  Ashley WarioWare Touched.png

Grammar
Hey guys, I noticed that Birdos 'did you know' thing has a grammatical error. 'Refer' Should be 'referred'.

Can I jump back in?
Is there any way i can get unbanned from the forums?? I know i was being disrespectful, but that was 2 months ago! I promise I'll be better. (I know it will be a no, but i'm just asking) Thanks! 20:40, 29 March 2014 (EDT)

April Fools!
Time for April Fools Day 2014!

For April Fools Day, we need to have fake news (presumably good news that will get excitement) with links to pages that would be created, fake or bad trivia, bad poll, and a fake featured article. Please post some ideas below that can be used tomorrow! 18:39, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I KNOW!: HOW ABOUT TWO CANCELLED MARIO GAMES BASED OF THE DIC TV SHOWS: JUST LIKE THE STORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF SONIC XTREME WENT:

THE STORY BEGINS IN NOA WHEN A FRENCH DEV TEAM WANTS TO MAKE AND USE NINTENDO'S CHARACTERS TO BEAT SEGA'S SONIC CHAR. KING KOOPA'S KOOL GAME WAS A SEGA GENESIS GAME THAT WAS IN THE WORKS VERY SHORTLY AND SHOWN IN NP MAG 93'/2/19, IT SHOWED BOWSER GOING IN A CITY TURNING PEOPLE OF HOLLYWOOD TO KOOPAS OF KOOPAWOOD IT WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE IT WAS ON SEGA'S CONSOLE. WHY? BOWSER HATES MARIO AND SONIC HATES MARIO, THIS WAS BAD CHEMISTERY.

THE NEXT GAME AND FINAL ONE WAS MARIO ALL STARS. NOT THE GAME, BUT BASED OFF THE COMPILATION MARIO TV SERIES. THE GAME FOCUSES ON THE 4 PLAYER TECHNIC THE PLAYERS CONTROL MARIO,LUIGI, TOAD THE PRINCESS AND YOSHI. IT WAS SHOWN AT NINTENDO'S 1993 CHAMPION TOURS AS A PLAYABLE DEMO WITH A STANGE ADAPTER FOR 4 PLAYERS ON SNES SMILAR TO THE NES SATELLITE. IN 1994, THE GAME HAD A FULL ON DEMO TO BRING HOME IT WAS ONLY AVILABLE IN LATIN AMERICA,BRAZIL,FRANCE AND KOREA IT WAS IN THE NINTENDO MAG THEY HAD IN THERE COUNTRY. IN 1995 THE GAME WAS 75% OF COMPLETION AND WAS TIMED OUT OF MAKING THE GAME NINTENDO WAS IMPRESSED AND CANCELLED IT FOR DELAY LIMTATIONS.

THE LAST CANNED GAME WAS SUPER MARIO FX THE GAME WE KNOW NOT MUCH ABOUT BUT EXISTS IN HE DEV OF NINTENDO JAPAN THE GAME USED THE GAMES STYLE AND ENGINE FOR GAMEPLAY WITHIN 1995 AND 1996. THEN THE MOMENT CAME THE GAME WAS MOVED TO THE N64. THE CASTLE STILL EXISTS IN THE GAME WREAKING CREW 96' AS A LOST SPRITE FROM THIS GAME BUT MODDED FOR LATEST LOOK.

THANK YOU. MARIOFAN900.
 * Sorry, I don't think we're having April Fool's Day now :/ 23:51, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

USE IT WHEN IT'S TIME OK?


 * STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS, IT'S EXTREMELY IRRITATING 13:36, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

OK, But Please use this for april fools day plz!

wpUploadDescription - How to edit?
Not exactly a technical issue here, but this has been boggling me for quite some time. I own another wiki - Entirely separate from anything to do with Mario, or Nintendo in general. More or less, I'd like to know: How did you (MarioWiki) manage to assign custom text to wpUploadDescription from within the uploads page? The one that adds Template:aboutfile. I'm looking to do something similar, so that users may give proper attribution when uploading. How exactly, and where did you modify the wpUploadDescription class? --SM64DSMK (talk) 13:29, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Talk to about it.  13:43, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I had noticed his status as a "technical" member shortly after posting here, though I wasn't sure if it was worth bothering him over. I'll ask him now, thank-you. --SM64DSMK (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

New Mario game in development
I remember seeing in the Nintendo News section that there was a new Super Mario title in development. Can someone give a link to the source? Awsum!!!!! 19:45, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

Did You Know - Paper Mario
The fact about Paper Mario is wrong as Sticker Star is also not playable on the Wii.
 * ....that's exactly what the DYK states. 21:50, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah, what are you complaining about? - 21:58, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

Did you know...
Can somebody change the "World Flower is the only world in Super Mario 3D World that doesn't a Captain Toad level or a Mystery House." to "World Flower is the only world in Super Mario 3D World that doesn't has a Captain Toad level or a Mystery House." 01:19, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
 * It's free to edit 01:21, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

Broken links
Sometimes the proposal page directs me to a random section after editing.

Broken link
In the proposal page I make a comment on a proposal and I was directed to another comment section (before it)... what happens?
 * Simply because you edit a section named "Oppose", when you click save, your browser takes you to the section named "Oppose", since there may be a proposal before the one you are editing that have another Oppose section, your browser takes you to that section (i.e if you edited the third proposal's oppose section and saved, you will go to the first proposal's oppose section.)-- 12:38, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Is this possible ?
Is it possible to make pages for fanmade games ? -Nsmbufan (talk) 07:48, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
 * It's more than possible, but not allowed. If you want to create Fanmade pages, go to Fantendo or something. This is a wiki about facts, not fiction. But hey. at least you asked. - 07:58, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
 * I meant that game exists, its a Mario game but is not made by Nintendo, but by normal users. -Nsmbufan (talk) 16:49, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
 * That's what a fan made game is. A game not officially made or licensed by the real company is usually considered fan made. - 01:52, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Fangames are not covered by the MarioWiki's coverage policy, regardless of if they are real fangames or just ideas for them. Superchao (talk) 02:45, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

Pictures?
I noticed some pictures are too big. Is there a way to make them smaller' and if there is' can someone please tell me how? - User:Joseph
 * If you mean images in articles, this help page should address your issue. If it does not, let me know. 22:45, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Thanks! You will be added to the user list! See my profile.

And' I still don't get it. Help if you can.

If you want a file to be smaller, you need to put the amount of px in it down. If you want the size to be 100px then it should like

Images/Personal images.
How do you upload images' and how do you make personal images for your user page?
 * See Personal Images for personal images, and Special:Upload to upload an image. Note that you are limited to four images maximum, plus only one additional for your signature.-- 13:02, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I still don't get it.
 * What step are you stuck in, exactly? 15:14, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I want the steps for uploading images and personal images.


 * To upload images
 * See the leftmost column?
 * Underneath "tools", click on Upload file.
 * (recommended) Read what's allowed and what's not allowed.
 * Where "source filename" is, click on the big gray "Browse" button.
 * Find the image you have to upload (.jpg, .png usually, check the permitted file types)
 * Check if the destination file name is correct.
 * In the edit summary, fill in the 1= part. You can simply remove the other parts.
 * Add
 * Select the licensing.
 * Upload.
 * Once the image is uploaded, put the name of the file (File:Image.png) in between brackets . Additional information is found in the upload page.

If you have questions, especially about the aboutfile or licensing part, ask me if you can. 15:48, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Can you please upload the image:Bowser Card?
 * I don't know what the image is. If it's stored in the computer, you can upload it, and I can do the rest formatting. 16:48, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I don't get the aboutfile part.
 * Just change the variables that are in it to relevant stuff, Subject of the image should be what the image is about, Source is where you found the image, Artist is who made the image, Edited is whether there where any changes made to the image, Other Versions is for alternate versions of that image, say like it's missing some shadow or something.
 * A bit late, but you can also delete the variables except for the first one so the others won't display. 15:35, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Plush images.
Am I allowed to upload plush images?
 * Yes you can. We even have an article of plushies. 16:49, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Real life personal images.
Can I upload a personal image that shows real life stuff? Example:my dog.
 * As stated here, the only Personal Images you can't upload are ones with nudity, blood or violence. So a picture of your dog is perfectly fine. - 11:14, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Fanon articles for user pages.
I know I ask a lot of questions' but I'm new. Anyway' can you make a user page with fanon games? Example: user:Joseph/Mario & luigi:(name)
 * No. As per policy all user subpages must serve the wiki and seeing as we don't cover fan content it won't serve the wiki.

But can I put it on here?
 * You are not allowed to have "works of fiction" by policy, though, but that's a pretty vague statement. I think fanon games fall under that statement, but if you're doubting anything, it's safe to not do it. Also, if you want to ask some more questions, try the FAQ talk page. :) 15:26, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Gif images
How do you make gif (animated) images?
 * That's a bit out of scope for this wiki but I'll tell what you need: a dedicated image editor (GIMP or something, NOT MS Paint), layers for separate frames, and exporting the .gif as an animation. That's basically how you do it in a nutshell. I'd go more into detail but I'm mighty busy right now. You can drop a message on my talk page and I can tell you...at least I hope you understand. 15:47, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
 * BTW if you're making gifs from videos, a gif capturing software is better suited since it's much less time consuming than doing it frame by frame 15:50, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

Deleting images.
How do you delete an image?
 * You can't unless you are granted tools by the will of "administrators" (bureaucrats, the people in purple slobber in the recent changes). To flag it for deletion, however, add in the image page.
 * As I said, it's better to use the official FAQ talk page to ask common questions instead of here, but if you have no response, try contacting experienced users instead. 21:14, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

Redirects.
How do you make redirects?
 * #redirectPage
 * Say for instance, you want to redirect Fat Plumber Dude to Mario. You'd create an article called Fat Plumber Dude, and this would be its contents:
 * #redirectMario
 * As I said, this isn't the place to ask general questions. I've said this the third time.
 * 23:35, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

I put a question where you said' please answer.


 * Try learning by example by simply exploring, editing and copying what you find, rather than incessantly asking us to spoonfeed you every last simple little thing. Sorry, but it is getting tiresome. - 18:41, 9 August 2014 (EDT)

Possibily add
Now that we have the rumors page, do you think its link could be added at the main page?
 * It's not that important. - 15:02, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

How do you sign up for the 'Shroom?
I want to write a monthly section ("From the Mushroom Vaults") for the 'Shroom. I've gone to this page, but it did not tell me exactly how to sign up. Could anyone help? (If this is the wrong place to ask, please tell me.) Andyni, 6:16 PM EST, 14 November 2014
 * You get yourself a forum account on our forum then you send a private message to your appropriate director, in your case this bloke. Remember to fill out the sign-up form when you send in your application, and to write using our Manual of Style.

This was very helpful! Thanks!!! Andyni, 6:27 PM EST, 14 November 2014