Talk:New Super Mario Bros. U

Bowser is in the game
Although he has not appeared in person, he can be seen in the background in a picture. This means that he at least makes a cameo, which still means that he's in the game. I'm just going to add him.

This is the picture in question: User:MarioMaster720
 * We can add him and also we should add later about Vincent Van Gogh (I think that is the guy)the guy who made artwork that is very similar to the background of that level.
 * Yeah, Van Gogh is the one who's paintings look like this.--

Flying Racoon?
I don't know, but what I saw was Mario getting a Bat Mushroom and turning into a bat --Walleo 16:24, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

I think you mean the Squirrel Power-up. The Raccoon power-up isn't confirmed nor the Bat power-up.

Never mind. I didn't read it correctly. --Walleo 21:53, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

Weird Goombas
Those strange looking goombas with round heads, I figured out what makes them different from normal ones! They don't fall off the edge, but turn around, like Red Koopas.


 * I didn't know that but I don't think these are the Round Goombas. If you look at the tops of their heads they have like a cap thing like acorns. Would they be like called Acorn Goombas? That is what I wanna know.

Me neither, and I certainly don't think they're Goombos. I'll remove both of those from the enemies, until more infromation is found out about them. --Landfish7 20:20, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

They're the Kuribon Goombas from Super Mario World, I think. User:Marioluigi9

Goomba Towers
In the trailer at the end they appeared right before the flagpole. Shown around 1:30 here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eO8xe2AUY4c#! Trailer] -- Landfish7 20:20, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Nevermind, I realized the stupidity in that. --Landfish7 20:50, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Yeah that is NSMB2 not NSMBU

Baby Yoshis
From what I can tell from the screenshots, the abilities of the baby yoshis are --Fbrookie 01:34, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Blue - spits bubbles to defeat enemies
 * Red (purple) - balloons up and can fly
 * Yellow - glows

We already know, we just haven't put it in yet. Maybe it is because we are waiting for more on the Baby Yoshis.

Connection with NSMBMii
Does this game have anything to do with last year's New Super Mario Bros. Mii demo? Looks like this game borrows some concepts such as Miis. But it also looks completely different. Would it be okay to make the connection?


 * It's based off of it, but only through the Miis. --DonnyKD 02:42, 6 June 2012 (EDT)
 * I don't think there's any direct connection. True they use similar/identical elements as other games in the series, but then again...what Mario game doesn't?

Actually, I think there is a connection between NSMBM and this game - just watch the Iwata Asks: New Super Mario Bros. U video. 11:24, 7 June 2012 (EDT)


 * Also, in the New Super Mario Bros. Mii videos, the same exact waterfall level with the water geysers appears in the Wii U trailer! Look:



This one was in a partial video for NSMBU that was shown after the game was announced. It's also very similar in layout to the waterfall one in NSMBU too with the Urchins on the group art. NinjaYoshi


 * According to nintendo world report, nsmbm was a tech demo that would later become a full-fledged game, which is now nsmbu. here's the link saying it. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/29838

I say we should merge those pages.--Thejfh1999 22:31, 8 July 2012 (EDT) Same here! DK Fan

I'm pretty sure that NSMBMii is the same as NSMBUWorld 6 (talk) 03:14, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
 * They have nearly the same engine. -- 04:58, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Release Date
I read on amazon that NSMBU is going to be released on 12/31/2013, I think they meant 12/31/2012 but I just wanted to mention this.

Anything that ends in 31 is an obvious placeholder.

Available at wii u launch!!!
Hi. If you check out the Iwanta Asks video on the e3 2012 website, that director says the game will be available at wiiu's launch. http://e3.nintendo.com/games/#/wiiu/new-super-mario-bros-u theres the link.- Link 007

Level with colored wooden blocks


This is not a level is a area... Check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MUJnyESAsQ
 * On it, bro. DonnyKD 01:35, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

I am pretty sure this is part of the grass level, it is a bonus area in the level. I am pretty sure I did see it in a demo of the game.

That is part of Course 1.

Yoshi is ridable?


it seems by the looks of this artwork we might get to ride a yoshi to but though he never showed in the trailer or in a single screenshot well I wonder he will do this time?


 * We'll find out when we'll retreive more information. -- 13:17, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

He looks perfectly ridable to me. He was ridable in Super Mario World, Super Mario Sunshine, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and Super Mario Galaxy 2, remember? So he should most likely be ridable in NSMBU(I'd rather call it NSMB4), correct? --Mario X-Fan 45

4 Yoshi colours?
Will there be 4 Yoshi's (regular) as the Wii version? -- 17:04, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

Were not sure about it yet yoshi wasn't shown in gameplay yet but his artwork shows that he will so I dunno what colors (besides green)

From what's confirmed so far that is highly unlikely, but what has been confirmed is that they have Baby Bubble Yoshi (Blue), Baby Blimp Yoshi (Magenta), Baby Bulb Yoshi (Light-Yellow), and Yoshi(Green).Here's my prediction: that Bulb Yoshi looks like it will be replaced like Red Yoshi and Blue Yoshi, because of the color I honestly think that it will be raplaced by a Baby Fire Yoshi (Red) and it will be for seeing in the dark and breathing fire/shooting fireballs.

Well we don't know for sure dude they could possibly add more colored yoshi's cause that could be confusing riding all green yoshi's since there bigger then baby ones and funny all baby yoshi's have orange shoes instead of colored shoes we will get info and see but i gotta a funny feeling that the SMW version's of yoshi culd appear (not that it is true) ,

Pictures
Could anyone upload New Super Mario Bros. U pictures? I'll put them on the gallery. EthanFerris 18:06, 16 July 2012

Uhmm... you have to send the sources of the pictures. 17:25, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

Bubble and Ultra Ground Pound
Can you go back in a bubble while pressing A? And can you do the Ultra Ground Pound? (That is 2 Players or more are Ground Pounding at the same time). 17:25, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

Acorn Goomba
Could someone upload the artwork of those ugly "Acorn Goombas"? I mean those "unnamed Goombas that resemble acorns".


 * sigh* Don't you understand we don't have any way to get that. We need sources and ways to tell we have new art. Can't you wait.

I was hoping the artwork came out. Sorry.

The Cover?
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/bestmariofan/noonlyon.png is this the cover to game it looks kinda real to me but i sorta think it is fake that frame is real though it was comfirmed but i mean the pic I don't even know if it is but the 5 looks kinda got a feeling it could be fake...


 * Fan art, fan art, fan art, its fan art. Made by a NeoGAF user. So no, its not real. DonnyKD (talk) 01:38, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Dude, don't repeat it 5 times in a row, it's minor spam. We just have to say the cover is not official. -- 03:50, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Ice Flower? and Fire Mario
well the ice flower is my predition I think that since this is based of NSMBM and had used power ups from that demo even is a NSMBW sequeal but my bet is it would appear sort of likeley. Also Fire Mario is missing in the transformaion article ,
 * Like all Super Mario Bros. games, the Fire Flower will appear, especially the Super Mushroom. It is most likely the Ice Flower will reappear.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

Wii
I think it said this game can be played on the Wii. I have a feeling I'm all mixed-up, though.


 * It never said it could be played on the Wii.

It said you could use the Wii Remote.


 * Yes, but you can also use Wii Remote in Wii U 14:34, 17 August 2012 (EDT)


 * Yes you can use a Wii remote but the disc for NSMBU is strictly for the Wii U.

Dang. 'Cause I have a Wii.

More Power-Ups
Man, there is only one new power up. And three old power-ups. They should return Ice and Peguin Mario. Are there really only 4 Power-Ups. -- 13:58, 17 August 2012 (EDT)


 * We need more info first, wait for the next trailer; it probably shows more power-ups 14:02, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Wait for the next trailer and see for yourself. -- 05:48, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

Good news for ya. Ice Mario is returning. DK Fan

merge with nsmbm
I have proof that this game is just new super mario bros mii renamed. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/29838 Can someone please help me do what it takes to merge those 2 pages??????--Thejfh1999 (talk) 21:35, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * That's an assumption, kid. The article was even made BEFORE NSMBU was offically announced. So no, we are not merging, since the two games are almost completely different from each other. DonnyKD (talk) 02:40, 24 August 2012 (EDT)


 * One is a tech demo, the other can be considered as the modified version of it but other than that they're different. 05:33, 24 August 2012 (EDT)
 * The Ice Flower has been confirmed, now can we merge them? DK Fan
 * That doesn't make any sense. DonnyKD (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * The Ice Flower was in New Super Mario Bros. Mii. DK Fan
 * And the Fire Flower was in Super Mario Galaxy. Let's merge it with Super Mario Bros.!... DonnyKD (talk) 08:31, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Not funny. Just look at the latest trailer for the game and you will see tons of stuff from the tech demo. DK Fan

Controls
What are the controls to fly a bit and to go a bit up? -- 16:53, 25 August 2012 (EDT)
 * From what I saw, either shaking the GamePad/Wii Remote, or pressing ZR. DonnyKD (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

Bosses?
Have there been any confirmed bosses yet. Bowser is likley to be in the game but will he?World 6 (talk) 03:18, 30 August 2012 (EDT)


 * Nope nothing confirmed as of yet. Only tree stages were shown at E3, revealing Baby Yoshi and the new power up.

Fortress?
Someone listed a fortress as a level. I haven't seen any fortress yet? does anyone have a source? Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) 12:12, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
 * it must be a rumor: Nintendo hasn't yet released a screenshot of a fortress level. -- 12:13, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
 * He's talking baout this shot: See the fortress under the message bubbles? DonnyKD (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
 * DON'T BE SO ARROGANT. I just said there's no screenshot of a fortress level. -- 04:57, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
 * There is a screenshot of a fortress level. Rather, there's a screenshot of a fortress, period. DonnyKD (talk) 05:18, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Debugging


Look closely at the grass. Don't you see some red outlined squares? It's probably a debugging mode accidentally shwon. -- 05:01, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

That is showing that each time you play the course the tiles are different. There is a video showing it by someone named NSMBWhacks.

Somebody get to work on this
New from GameInformer:

- dozens of levels across one world map, like Super Mario World - map can be panned around and explored at any time - multiple branching paths that let you pick which way to go - this is much more than the tradition level choosing, which usually gives you only two paths to choose from - Game Informer spotted 7 worlds: Acorn Plains, Sparkling Waters (tropical), Frosted Glacier, Layer Cake Desert (complete with melting desserts), areas similar to Forest of Illusion and Sky World and a world surround by a tornado - mid-world fortresses guarded by Boom-Boom - end-level castles guarded by Koopalings - Super Acorn power-up makes you a flying squirrel - Bowser kidnaps Peach once again

So, Super Acorn, Boom-Boom, and Koopalings, along with new worlds. DonnyKD (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

More screenshots found
I have found even more screenshots on this site it even shows one with Torpedo Ted returning and screenshots with Mario riding Yoshi and other elements look right there can they also be uploaded http://www.palmgamer.com/fab-new-super-mario-bros-u-details-revealed/ (scroll down and click them to get the large images)

I am on it! So don't worry.

Thank you I am always giving the heads up

Unbelievable
This might be like Super Mario Bros. 3 cause Boom-Boom is the fortress boss and Koopalings are back AGAIN! in the 4th and probably final New Super Mario Bros. game in the series. Bu the Koopalings just unbeleivable! DAng!

--User:CRode


 * Yeah, I refuse to believe that this game is more like SMB3 just because Boom-Boom and the Koopalings are here. Not to mention this is a talk page about the article. What you're writing is better suited for the forums. DonnyKD (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Well, I was just shocked that the Koopalings are back once AGAIN! And Boom-Boom but the Koopalings they just returned and they're back again!


 * It's true that the fact that Boom Boom making his appearance in New Super Mario Bros. U, the game that looks similar to Super Mario World, is just unbelievable. Also that the fact that the Reznors appearing in New Super Mario Bros. 2, the game that looks similar to that of Super Mario Bros. 3, is unbelievable as well. But just know the fact that Boom Boom still needed to make another modern appearance after Super Mario 3D Land and reprise his role as a troublemaker, also, one of the major members of the Koopa Troop. Pom Pom should reappear as well (don't forget about her). Remember that Bowser Jr. often replaced the Koopalings and Boom Boom. Yeah, feels like the New Super Mario Bros. games are getting some sort of...how should I say it..."unmatching mix-up". On-topic, I believe that we really need a screenshot of Boom Boom or an artwork of Boom Boom from New Super Mario Bros. U. Is there any screenshot of Boom Boom around?--Prince Ludwig (talk) 01:13, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
 * All we have is Game Informer's word, no actual screenshots. DonnyKD (talk) 01:30, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

DOOMSHIP!?
Wil this resemble something also from Super Mario Bros. 3? Will the Doomship return and will the Koopalings battle be in a different order again! Will the Koopalings reappear in the doomship again? --User:CRode


 * No one knows yet. DonnyKD (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Ah, now we know. Bowser and the Koopalings have their own ships, but it doesn't seem like they're levels/playable. DonnyKD (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

New Power-Up?
Hey, look at Mario. And if you see it really good, you see something on his back. It could be a new Power-Up, like Bob-Omb Mario. Or is it a Bob-Omb near Mario, or something else? Reply! http://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/d7/Underground_POW_NSMBU.png 14:50, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I'd say it's Mario's hand 14:58, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * It is just Mario's left hand.
 * Yep,but how is he hitting the POW!, with a koopa shell? User:CRode
 * No Koopa in sight so no. He threw it.

More Characters ?!
LOOK AT THIS LINK: http://mariopartylegacy.com/2012/09/tezuka-on-other-playable-characters-in-new-super-mario-bros-u/ see!

Well it is not garenteed that peach and wario would be playable even though the 3P mii did have wario's clothes while the 4P had blue clothin (waluigi is black and purple) I guess wario can be a maybe as for peach would be fine i guess maybe like saving her then unlocking her but it is not promising that they will but you never now.
 * They outright said that they chose the Miis over established Mario characters. DonnyKD (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

First main game to be a launch title in years
This game is officially confirmed as a launch title for the console in Japan, due the fact it is the first Super Mario game to be released as a launch title since Super Mario 64, should we point that somewhere in the article or it is too superficial?

Wii U Deluxe + NSMBU for Europe?
Will there be an Wii U Deluxe Bundle + NSMBU for Europe? 12:02, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
 * No Nintendo Land will be bundled. NSMBU is a launch title. 21:54, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

Thwimps return?
it seems thwimps have said to be enemies but i never saw any where's the source?

It was shown in a video somewhere. I saw them too. 19:58, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

what time part?

I don't know which video. I am trying to find it.

good luck i need proof on there 3D design

At around 1:20 there are Thwimps.

Flophoppers?
What are Flophoppers doing in the enemy list? Could I have the link? I really want to see NSMBU appearance! --Yoshidino (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

They don't appear in NSMBU, as far as we know. The person who added them to the enemy list did not cite any sources, plus no trailers I seen have any of those enemies in there. But I think most of the enemies he unneccesarily added might appear in NSMBU, but the truth is not known yet.

Sidewards Somersault?
Is Mario doing a Sidewards Somersault? http://www.mariowiki.com/images/f/f2/WendyBossNSMBU.png 10:26, 14 September 2012 (EDT)
 * No, he got defeated by Wendy 10:27, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

OH MY GOSH!!! Look in the background behind the windows!!! It's Miis!! What are they doing there? Please reply please!!!
 * They're here because the developers decided to put them in the game. Simple.
 * They appear in Boost rush mode only. They appear in castles outside windows in trees and on the ground. I guess they cheer for the player.

For the people asking about the world order
The main article page says Acorn Plains is World 1, Layer Cake Desert is World 2, and Frosted Glacier is World 3. Here's the proof (go to 3:30): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsiO5qlyeIw DonnyKD (talk) 23:14, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

Super Leaf + Large Block


Look northeast near Mario, I see something brown and sparkling. It looks like a Super Leaf to me but I'm not entirely sure... Also southwest of Yellow Toad there is a block which is larger then a normal block.

I think the sparkly thing you see is actually the Mii with the Flying Squirrel suit, and the block you're saying is just the enlightenment of the screen imo.    dodgerblue   cyan
 * The "Super Leaf" is Flying Squirrel Mario and the large block is where the 3-Up Moons came from. DonnyKD (talk) 11:45, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

With the block i through he meant the enlightenment at the right part of the screen at the top XD. But the block you're saying is a block with a music note inside that pops out 3-Up moons, and is currently called 3-Up Moon Blocks.    dodgerblue   cyan

Going in bubble is possible! YAY!
You can go in a bubble in this game. Proof, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJoLPzRck28&list=UUN2XePorRokPB9TEgRZpddg&index=3&feature=plcp <--- Look at 1:20 12:48, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

Vocalize on Mii?
I see on the page of Baby Yoshi's that they vocalize to Mario, Luigi or the Toads if they are carry them. Is that happening too when a Mii carries him? 06:07, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

challenge mode
I saw challenge mode on the trailer on the e-shop.World 6 02:03, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

Start working on the World articles?
I know we shouldn't until the game's near release/when we have enough info, but I say we have enough to suffice an article summarizing the worlds. Like, for instance, Acorn Plains. We already have a rough estimate at what it looks like: [url]http://mariopartylegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/nsmbupanorama.png[/url] And we've seen every level except the Enemy Course, the level on the hill and the Fortress. DonnyKD (talk) 06:12, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

More Platforms!
There are platforms with a coin on it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc71P4pJldI <--- look at 1:11  09:28, 22 September 2012 (EDT)


 * We've known that ever since the trailer there have always been coins on the platforms! User:CRode

New Screenshots
I found new screenshots in a video of GameXplain but i don't know where he has the screenshots. (NOTE: There are new screenshots in the video but there are old ones appearing too.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc71P4pJldI <--- There you go!

World 8??
could the grasslands from the past nsmb games?! CRode (talk)

Yes, It is. The Boss Takes Plase in Bowser's Airship but Mario has to get to the right tower to get to the cannon to reach it. I have heard that Bowser's Battle is simalar to Bowser Jr's Boss battles from NSMBW.


 * All this speculation is pointless unless you provide REFERENCES. Don't get me wrong, I believe you, but others won't so you must prove it through, either a site, video or if you mysteriously got the game before the world did (which in that case tell me how). Otherwise the content you'll add will immediately get deleted. 13:33, 30 September 2012 (EDT)


 * When the Koopalings fly to different worlds, the area is in the form of a map.KoopaTroopa!.png MegaKoopa   Talk  10:49, 9 October 2012 (EDT)

It was on 2 youtube videos, one showning in the latest trailer that after Mario and Co. are thrown to acorn plains the koopalings splitup in all directions while bowser's airship stays at the castle. and if one takes a closer look at the castle there is a door on the left leading up to the right tower where Mario and Co. are shot to the airship.

Seriously sign your comments. But that is not proof it is world 8. It could just be a special world or an non-acessiable area. We don't want to guess other on things. Videos aren't the best, text is the best because it explains the details.

Awesome prediction! (talk)

World 7 is the grasslands, there are 7 worlds, like in Super Mario World. -IGGY7735

Thwomps Being Destroyed
Is destroying Thwomps actually possible in this game? I don't remember bumping into an article that said that.

It is possible but only using Boost mode and Star power.

Its only possible when the player playing as Mario or the like steps on the Boost Blocks with the symbols on them. On the top of the GamePad screen, everytime that happens, a star icon fills up. When its fully filled, the GamePad player has the ability to destry enemies while creating Star Boost Blocks. DonnyKD (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

new trailer
it's a new trailer of this game, it's 6:00 A.M., i need adobe flash player, the trailer is from gameInformer


 * We already saw that trailer. I was really looking forward to see a new trailer of New Super Mario Bros. U, ya know.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

Green Coin Ring.
 (0:57) Now, what could be its purpose?


 * They activate Green Coins. Its like Red Coins, but in fives packs of three, and they only give out 1-ups.


 * I think they were also planned for NSMBWii, considering there was an unused green coin model in said game. User:Smithuser

Announcements
It has been confirmed that Sparkling Waters is now World 4. User:Marioluigi9


 * Where, exactly? DonnyKD (talk) 18:40, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

MarioMan51 told me when he sent me something in Swapnote. User:Marioluigi9

New Info
Parachute Coins are in.

http://mariopartylegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nsmbuoct2-600x339.jpg

It looks like you can take Baby Yoshis out of their home levels too.

http://mariopartylegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nsmbuoct1-600x337.jpg

DonnyKD (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

DonnyKD, the player can't take Baby Yoshi's out of the home level. Alot of levels does have the same look like this level. Almost whole Acorn Plains does have a level like this. Cause on the demo on E3 if you finish a level where Baby Yoshi's are in it, Mario, Luigi, Yellow Toad, Blue Toad or a Mii should release the Baby Yoshi, and they will wave a goodbye. Maybe you're right, but let's wait till Nintendo comfirms it or wait till 30/11/2012. But the screenshots are real ;). 10:31, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

That was the E3 version, you should check out some of the videos from Nintendos recent events. http://i45.tinypic.com/2ch9hj8.jpg Yoshi still waves, but then he follows you into the castle. Whether this means anything for sure is unknown until the game is released, but having a change like that made might mean that Nintendo has something in mind. ~ Chaoxys

Yes, i saw a video, the Baby Yoshi came in the castle. But when they played "Acrobat Pack" and they finished with a Balloon Baby Yoshi, he didin't appear. Maybe it will in the real version. Let's see :). 08:35, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Really?
Are there references for "Nabbit" and "P-Acorn"? MegaKoopa  Talk  14:16, 30 October 2012 (EDT)


 * OK I found it. KoopaTroopa!.png MegaKoopa   Talk  14:21, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Loads of info
this artcle needs some serious editting look at this http://mariopartylegacy.com/2012/10/sode-jungle-p-acorn-and-more-revealed-for-new-super-mario-bros-u/ ,

World 4 or 5
Everyone is asking wich is world 4 or world 5, Soda Jungle or Sparkling Waters? Well, i know the answer. Soda Jungle is the fourth world and Sparkling Waters is the fifth world. That's the original ranking. It is possible to choose the way that is conversaly, but it's not the original ranking. If you don't agree with mee, reply and let's discuss about this. 19:01, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
 * No, Sparkling Waters shouldn't be the fifth world. You can go straight to it from Layer Cake Desert. So really, Frosted Glacier and Sparkling Waters can either be the third or fifth worlds. DonnyKD (talk) 20:43, 30 October 2012 (EDT)