User talk:Glowsquid/Archive 13

Done
Voila, you page is Archived. There you go.

do you dislike me for unblocking fg? if you do, i totally understand.


 * No, I don't. You are cool.

Glowsquid

ok,

One: Huh? Second: That was when I thought he was the troller Shy Guy Sucks. I have been proven wrong. Third: He certainly hasn't been very kind to people who don't know nil about wikistuff (i.e. me) And lastly, I don't even know you. This is between me and xzelion. 16:57, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
 * You do know this is Gofer.

Yes, I was Gofer. No one is "Building an army" against you, you are just paranoid. You can't belive how much I imuslted you during your hiatus. Leave us alone. Glowsquid
 * Okay, I made a Mario is Missing! section on Yoshi.

FA Support Removal
Sorry, but you cannot remove a support vote. The rules state only an oppose vote can be removed and only if you (and ultimately the community) decides the oppose vote is not valid. A support vote means the supporter thinks the articles is FA quality, and will do everything in their power to make the article FA worthy if there are objections. More support votes than oppose votes will not make an article reach featured status. Only an oppose vote can prevent an article from reaching this status, and that's why they can be removed if they are not valid. -- Son of Suns
 * D'oh, I asked Pokemon DP about this, and he allowed me to remove that vote. Won't do that again.

Glowsquid

comment changing
Why did you change my comment? It is differently worded and I don't even know who Gofer is!--Dummmmmmy 10:56, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

PWN
Alsome. YOu sure fooled me. :D

Hello
WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP CHANGING YOURE NAMES!!!! I remember you, though.... you're the guy who liked Gradius. FG's the bannana guy, Max2 is the TUMBle guy, and who IS Master Crash? - Ultimatetoad

Hey look, I was Solidsonic and Darkness Reign. :P Marionic

Hey
I just want to let you know I am not mad or anything. When I argue, I am not trying to be hateful. I am just trying to point to alternative ideas. As I said in the proposal itself, lots of points are valid. I believe your stances are valid, but that does not mean I will not argue my point of view. I am upset that my proposal was changed, ya know? I crafted it is a specific way, so if you want it a different way, you'll have to oppose. No hard feelings. =) -- Son of Suns


 * Yeah, I respect you opinion too. I am totally cool with you opposing because Conker was removed from DKRDS.  That is a valid point.  However, I will point out that official wiki policy states remakes and originals should be treated as equals.  It's a POV type of thing - we can't give undo preference to one or the other, especially since Nintendo never says: "Here is the official version of the game."  Basically, we give both versions an equal share so readers can make their own decisions.  I think that's what Nintendo wants anyways - allowing fans to make their own decisions on this messed-up continuity. -- Son of Suns

RE: Hi
Hi yourself! I feel so loved right now, everyone wants to talk to me! And I'm so glad you like my fanfictions! Positive comments make me happy! (Negative comments make me HAVE FURY!)

Anyway, what's up with me is that "Add Banjo/Conkey discussion": it's so huge my computer wouldn't let me add another comment (boo!). What about you? - Walkazo


 * A fanfic about the wiki? That's a cool idea, are you going to post it on ff.net or on this site? Is it going to be like all those comics and feature the writers, and if so, can I be in it? - Walkazo

Banjo/Conker Proposal
Cobold wants you to list your reason for supporting next to your vote, as others have done. -- Son of Suns

SO you think Im annoying?
 * It is annoying, you ask a question seemingly every post on a talk page.
 * Those spammy questions were one of the reasons you got in trouble in the first place. So yes, they really got on nerves after a while.

Glowsquid, waiting to be flamed.

Thanks!
Also what the header says. I've been working on Fantendo recently, but now that I have Jungle Climber, I'll probably do more work here.

Hey Have you seen DP's Comic? Issue 10 is out :)
 * Yesssssss. I rpobably saw it before you.

Glowsquid

G your a genuis! I hate when people on the proposals always say "I agree" "Per ___" and "___ is right" It's making users seem to be less exprienced with editing

PP's Comic
PP doesn't have any minor neutral/villain roles in the comic. He says you can be a fighter or a different minor roll (someone who's beaten Legend of Zelda: Windwaker, a Bulbapedia member, or someone that can use Goombella or Goombario's tattle (just imitate them tattling)). You can also be a cameo if you don't want to be any of those. Also, do you want us to use your Heckran sprites or Tubster sprites? - Walkazo


 * Yep, you can be the tattler no problem. BTW, I think both characters look cool! - Walkazo

Hey, on your what people think of me, you put "You Gus are MOnsters!"


 * Yes, and..?

I was with Vruet and Xzelion, ya know.

Cheese FA Nomination
Hello. First, I want to say that I am not mad or anything at you. Just because I am arguing against you on the proposal page doesn't mean I don't respect you. In fact, I respect you more for articulating your opinions so well. We need more people like you on this wiki. I am sorry if I came across as angry or mean, but I don't argue to hurt you, but to express my opinion or (most recently) simply play Devil's advocate. I think you are a great user, and I hope you don't think poorly of me. I don't have any bad feelings towards you. Debate does not equal hate.

Secondly, personally I do not believe the Cheese article is notable enough for FA status. There is just not significant content on the subject. While the article is good, there are many many other good articles that probably won't become FAs. The Elder Shrooboid article is really long and full of information, but the character is a minor boss with not much to say about it besides stating how to fight it. Significant content implies that there is so much content, it needs to be organized in sections - not just sections for games, but sections to describe other characteristics. The Kiddy Kong article is notable because info can be divided into these many sections. That's what I think significant content is. However, that is just one opinion. Other users may have different views of notability. Plumber feels Cheese is notable, and that's valid. However, others feel that Cheese is not notable, and unless Plumber can convince everyone that opposes that Cheese is notable, the FA nomination will fail. One way to convince people is to organize the article into sections with significant content. But the content is probably not there, so the Cheese article will stay the same, lacking significant content. If he can't convince others Cheese is notable, the FA nomination will eventually be dropped. However, the nomination itself is completely valid, and should be kept. -- Son of Suns

Since I have returned to the wiki, I have not returned to the forum or chat. Honestly, the "fun" of the wiki for me is in the articles themselves, not in interaction with users. Don't get me wrong - I don't hate anyone or anything. I just prefer diving deep into Mario's universe, trying to create high quality articles, and manage the wiki to promote users to create high quality articles. That's what I enjoy and that's what leaves me stress free. It makes me so upset when issues from the chat or forum are brought to the wiki, and users start arguing about it. I think it looks unprofessional - all these squabbles about blocking on the chat, etc. and I think it may drive new users away. It's just something I don't care for anymore. However, I don't mind talking to users one on one. That's actually fine with me. And that's why I left my AIM contact info on my user page, so users can IM me if they want to chat personally. I think there are two relative groups on this wiki: the content based ones and the community based ones. I fall into the first camp, but I don't dislike the wiki community. I just have more fun in the content. -- Son of Suns

Yeah I feel ya. At least users have other outlets instead of the wiki to go to, like UnMario Wiki, Fantendo, and Mario Wiki Userpedia. As long as it's not affecting the articles here, I don't care what users do in their free time. -- Son of Suns

Eh?
Did you play Bioshock? Was it as good as all the reviewers said?
 * Tsk, tsk. I went to my local Wal-Mart and read half the guide. Looks awesome.
 * O.

Re: Stumpers's Return
Alo! Nice to know that someone actually reads my user page! Hey, so I'll be seeing you around! What do you think I should start working on? 19:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Bad Writing Section
I am really offended by your bad writing section. Users (for the most part) try really hard to put good info into the wiki. Sometimes it's not written the best, but instead of making fun of it, you should correct the mistake and leave it at that. Users are trying their hardest and you are insulting them. One of the policies here is to "assume good faith" which you are not doing. You are not simply insulting the writing, but those who wrote the writing. -- Son of Suns


 * Well, you are not assuming good faith by pointing out these flaws and laughing at them. You shouldn't call it "bad writing" because users are writing the best they can.  It's discouraging.  We should try to be a little more constructive here.  So I think I am going to have to remove this section eventually, unless you can reformat it.  Perhaps you can use the quotes to point common errors in writing an article, and how it can be improved.  But use of such subjective words is offensive, and needs to be changed. -- Son of Suns


 * Thanks for being more constructive! -- Son of Suns

Red links
You're kidding, right? Take DK Logos for example. First of all, that's not even the official name. Second, they're extremely minor things in a seven-year-old game. I don't see reason for someone to want to create that article in the first place. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just making a point. DarknessLord 12:36, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Table Trouble
I have a little problem. The Gaming Acheivements section in my homepage has been getting a little long, and I have been wanting to make a table out of them. One part being games I copleted, one part finished games, and the third being for other acheivments. I looked at how it's done on the help section, and saw the table in the Shroom City article as an example, but it just looks too complicated for me. Do you have any advice?

Retiring!?!
Why retire?

Yo!
It 'tis the voice of reason, Glowsquid. Congrats. You'd make a great chat op.
 * Heh.
 * Her theme song pwns, but I am not a follower of her witchy impudence.

YO!
Would you mind signing up for my new original comic strip? I'm trying to recruit everyone I know. PLEASE SIGN UP!
 * I'll make you a sarcastic, neutral villian. I need j00r spites.
 * Schweet. In your first appearance, you use an AK-47. 8P

A question
Do you read my comics?
 * No.

Glowsquid

Tasty Flame
I should have said "potentate" instead of "thing". :P
 * Oh yes, I like when users are honest with me, which doesn't usually happen. i would be most pleased if you and Mr. Uniju would stop hypocritical praising me and then flame me the next day, Tank you.

Glowsquid
 * ME?! PRAISE YOU?!


 * WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


 * Seriously, when have I ever praised you?



"Gofer: A good guy. A random guy. An itellectual guy. A sarcastic guy. A good guy. "

This was on your userpage before the abolition of the cool users list. There is also that nonsense on how I make such a great chat-operator, on this very page. Glowsquid
 * That's what a really do think of you. I NEVER say what I don't mean.
 * I don't understand you.

Glowsquid

What I Think Of You In Full
You are a sarcastic, intellectual, witty guy with bad grammr and good taste. That is it.
 * OK, fine, I don't believe a word of what you said.

Glowsquid
 * You should. Now go to your room.
 * Stop spamming my talk-page, I don't give a flying shnitzel about what you and other users may think about me.

Glowsquid
 * Whatever you say, dear flying alien of sarcasam.

PM
I PM you on the forums.

WHY?
WHY DO YOU OPPOSE IF YOU ARE A LAZY B****RD AND DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE GAMES? WHY? Marionic. WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

WOW
How come you're so clever especially at your age, that you know words like exasperate, priority, perspective, incumbent, circumstances,etc. just to name a few and did you take lots of lesson during your lifetime?
 * I fear I can't respond to this.

Glowsquid

Yes I Know...
What I said to YoshiFan's talk page was NOT NICE taking ideas from other users...

Max2
You just missed the whole incident thing...
 * Yep... Plumber told me the whole tihng on the chat, must congrat you for warning Plumber about this.

Glowsquid

Smash Bros. Series
Hey are you a super smash bros. fan?
 * I have both games relaes so far and I am obbsessed over Ashley (And Shockwave) inclusions in Brawl, Smashboard.com want me to kill msyelf, thought. So I can say yes, I think.

Glowsquid

So do you mind signing up for this story? User:Supertroopa/Story
 * Bleh, not interresed.

Glowsquid

You're Proposal
You're proposal has been accepted. A note that work should begin has been added to Category talk:Implied. -- Chris 01:39, 25 November 2007 (EST)
 * Gofer Glowsquid  Blitzwing is a Proposal? Or what do you mean with "You're Proposal"? :þ Anyways, aren't we just deciding on limiting name changes? -  16:02, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Yep, Wayoshi told me we would all start on a clean line after his proposal is passed, thought.

Blitzwing

Name
I'm going to beat Fg to saying this. :P "Blitzwing? you don't sound like the Glowsquid I know" :P

Aww why did you changed your name? I liked Glowsquid better...
 * Why? Squid's jokes, way too freaking many squid's jokes.

Blitzwing

List of Implied Guys
I love the list. I'm sorry I ever opposed it, but for the record I hope to even be working on it in the future! Kudos... GLOWSQUID!!! <-- don't worry... I'll start calling you your new name after a while, but you'll have to put up with me for a little while... just like "Great Gonzo" Xzelion, who is complaining about the name change above did! :3 Anyway, good luck with your new name, although the old one was amazing! 19:08, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Thank you! However, I missed two articles during the merge, also, most of the impleids are full of overly stupid speculation based on their names, which could deffinately use a cleanup, I think I could use some help on that matter.

Blitzwing
 * I'll help when I can! 20:09, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Cool
Like the new name! Better than the last. Btw, are you a patroller? Cause I heard somewhere. Oh wait, am I bothering you? *slaps self silly* ( Toadbert101 || Give a yell |Sez:) 17:53, 27 November 2007 (EST)
 * Yesterday in the chat, Pokemon DP said I would be a Patroller if I was "more active". That's about it.

Blitzwing

Canon/Non-Canon
I had a question for you, since you are a more involved user and you seem to share my general angst regarding the whole "It's non-caon because it's from Phillips/whatever" thing that seems so prevalent in the Mario community. I've been throwing an idea around for a while that perhaps our separation of storylines into games, TV, books, etc. is completely uncalled for. I don't know what the argument for the games being one supreme storyline is, and that all the others are just knock-offs that should not be considered. It seems rather fan-boyish to me.

We make concessions in order to establish continuity between the games. For example, is Baby Mario in the sports titles? We don't call that canon even though it is unexplainable... without adding too much speculation. So, what's the difference between that and something like the Super Mario Bros. Super Show, which shows the brothers in Brooklyn? We don't have proof against the bros. spending some time in the Real World, but still the storyline is abandoned to the "other media" section.

Do you think that it would be worth it to point this out? Does the thought even have standing given your knowledge? If you think so, I could probably get around to writing an argument to post on the main talk page in the near future. 23:16, 27 November 2007 (EST)
 * Meh, I agree that the D.I.C should be put in an alternate-continuity because of its numerous difference, like Mario talking and Bowser appearance. However, I am against the idea of labelling a game "non-canon" simply because it was released on another system and made by another compagny. A game should only be qualified "non-canon" when it bablantly disregard and contradict elements of the past games, or if God said so.

Blitzwing
 * Okey-dokey. I'm still not sure of how to accommodate the cartoons myself, but that seems reasonable.  Thanks!  07:10, 28 November 2007 (EST)

0.o'
Nice new name, Blitz of Flaming Rabid Glorious Bad Grammar. Of course, now you're going to add this to your page. :P Nice to see you around; this place wouldn't be the same without you lurking in the shadows. How are things on the forum?
 * And what IS the Forum Game? And who ARE the new posters?
 * I like things at the bottom because it's easier to notice, and since you didn't put it at the bottom, I didn't notice it until JUST NOW! I knew about Dodoman and Maka already; Maka's neat and Dodoman's weird.
 * OH MY GOD! BLITZWING CORRECTED GRAMMAR! ARMAGEDDEON IS HERE!


 * Lulz. Anyhoo, I shall fix it...     in 2035...

Youtube
Hey. How did you be able to get Youtube on your userpage and why I got the feeling that name of yours is from Transformers?(Super F22 Pilot 04:50, 8 December 2007 (EST))

Oops.
Whoa. I didn't know that community-stuff-like-stuff was banned now. WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?! :P THanks for doing that for me; you're a great help.

Boo Woods
Recently you put back up the part conjecture template on the Boo Woods article. It's making me thinking about our policy on drawing conclusions as a Wiki. Here's my problem, layed out in a very long-winded form... sorry about that!

No, E. Gadd doesn't say anything like, "Welcome to Boo Woods!" you're right. However, he made a comment in Partners in Time that he was moving to Boo Woods to study ghosts, and we know that he was been doing it there since he as young from his dialogue in Luigi's Mansion. I find it highly unlikely that Nintendo would put these two facts in the game an not expect for fans to connect them. However, high unlikeliness isn't suitable for an encyclopedia as we all know.

But, right now the only evidence against it being in Boo Woods is the fact that E. Gadd could possibly have moved to the location of Luigi's Mansion after moving to Boo Woods. We don't have this explicately written, but what else could it be? By placing the conjecture box there, it's like we're saying "Hey, we know that under certain circumstances Nintendo could destroy this assumption if they added more information. At the current point we have no reason to believe that E. Gadd moved from Boo Woods to another location before the events of LM, but Nintendo hasn't cemented the canon to a point where it couldn't have happened yet."

But neither have they killed, beyond a doubt, the idea Mario and Princess Peach had the "Baby Mario" seen in the Mario sports series. Still, there it is in our article that the same Baby Mario whom the Yoshi's rescued was there in the present, with no reasoning from Nintendo. Of course, we're going to assume they're the same because that makes sense. We're not going to say in the article, "It is possible that this is not the same Baby Mario that is today's Mario because Nintendo did not explicately say so in the game/instruction booklet." That would be pointless. We have no reason to believe otherwise.

But, having no indication that this is what happened, we are in fact conjecturing that E. Gadd could have moved to the location of LM after moving to Boo Woods with no information other than the fact that "Nintendo not explicitely call the woods Boo Woods in LM and has not explicitely discribed E. Gadd's youth." Of course, neither have they explicately said that the FLUDD was made by E. Gadd, yet we assume that it was because of the overwhelming connections to LM made in Super Mario Sunshine. There could be any number of "old [men] in a white coat", particularly if E. Gadd had a brother to name "Gadd Science, Inc." after himself. You see what I'm getting at? It's the same logic: Nintendo leads us to belive something in SMS, so we take the bait as we should and believe it's true. However, E. Gadd wasn't even mentioned in that game, as the professor's lab in Luigi's Mansion wasn't mentioned in PiT. Nintendo leads us to believe something across two main-series games In both senarios, Nintendo has made a reference to a previously released game, yet we are allowing ourselves to draw conclusions in one and not the other. To not draw the conclusion we did in SMS would be outrageous.

The creator of Super Mario Galaxy just said in an interview last week that the Mario franchise purposefully left possibilities open in the storylines so that the games did not have to worry about matching each other completely. Yet that's our job: to make a Wiki about the cohisive canon. When one of hte assumptions is proven false, such as the assumption that Tatanga worked independently of Wario (who wasn't even introduced when Super Mario Land came out). This assumption, had the Wiki existed when Super Mario Land II was released, would have been removed from the Wiki. It happens. With the information of the present, our assumptions still stand.

At what point can we make these connections to form a cohesive canon? I'm sorry for how long this was, but it might be very important to the Wiki in the end. I could see this changing a lot of things, for example the Cranky=Donkey Kong during the events of the arcade game theory. 20:49, 8 December 2007 (EST)
 * Meh, I'd rather have the Luigi Mansion forest being discussed in the Boo Wood article than having another sperate conjectural article for the Luigi Mansion FOrest. Maybe what we are doing is conjecturing, but at least, we are basing our conjecture on facts.

Blitzwing


 * That's what I was thinking, (Holy crud... that's long! What was I thinking?! SORRY!) but my real question was why we would have to put up the conjecture sign and say things like "is assumed to be" when Nintendo's left those clues?  My point was that we've just made the assumptions and called it a day, like you say we should for the sake of our sanity, before.  It's what I'd like to do, too.  22:01, 8 December 2007 (EST)
 * ... I don't understand what you are trying to say,

Blitzwing

Note to self: Stumpers should not write about abstract concepts after getting two hours of sleep the night previous. ANYWAY, what I meant to say is this: I believe we don't need the conjecture template on Boo Woods. Take a look at this scenario:


 * 1) Gadd Science, Inc. and "An old man in a while coat gave it too me" --Bowser Jr. Both are from Super Mario Sunshine.  Clues in the game lead us to believe that E. Gadd created Bowser Jr.'s magic paintbrush and the F.L.U.D.D.  However, the game does not go so far as to mention him by name.  These are two references to Luigi's Mansion.  Should we write that E. Gadd made the magic paintbrush?  Absolutely!  To not say it would be to say that, "If a guy lights a bomb and the camera zooms out to show the entire building explode, the guy may have used the bomb to destroy the building." We didn't see him do it specifically, but we assume it because... well, it's obvious because of the clues given to us.
 * 2) Boo Woods and the location of Luigi's Mansion: In the game Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time a young man version of E. Gadd tells Mario and Luigi that he wishes to move to Boo Woods in order to study ghosts. In Luigi's Mansion, E. Gadd states that he has been studying in his current lab since he was a young man.  Should we then assume that E. Gadd has been studying in Boo Woods since he was a young man?  Yes.  We have no reason to believe otherwise.  It is true that in the future Nintendo could reveal more about E. Gadd's past, but right now, there is no reason for us to doubt it.  The same goes with the Paintbrush and F.L.U.D.D.

Does it make more sense now? The two scenarios are the same: we should be allowed to make those assumptions, right? 16:46, 9 December 2007 (EST)
 * Bleh, for what we know, E. Gadd might have moved from Boo Woods to the Luigi Mansion Forest between Partner in time and LM. In SUper Mario Sunshine, E. Gadd likeness can be found on the box that contain the Nozzle's.

Blitzwing
 * Yes, but "could have" is based off of a conjecture you make. We don't have any evidence for it.  That's what my question was about.  When can we just say, "There's no proof otherwise, so we're calling it canon until further notice from Nintendo"?  It looked like it was E. Gadd's likeness, but until we saw that likeness again being directly linked with E. Gadd at the Star Beans Cafe, someone could say, "It could be a coincidence, and therefore the FLUDD may or may not have been made by Gadd."  But, we and everyone else (as we should) logged it as fact even before the cafe, right?  I wasn't around this Wiki at the time, but that's what I was seeing on the main Wikipedia, which is more strict than us on conjecture.  19:00, 9 December 2007 (EST)
 * We are not Wikipedia, these guys have their policy on conjecture, we haveo ur. Ask Son Of Sun for this kind of thing, I am sure he will be able to find a response.

Blitzwing
 * And thank goodness for that! I hate Wikipedia, I just assumed they'd be more strict than us, so if they were allowing it, we would be right?  Anyway, that doesn't matter.  Thanks for the advice.  19:13, 9 December 2007 (EST)