MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Merge King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine) with King Boo. (Discuss) Deadline: July 2, 2014, 23:59 GMT.
 * Split from Paragoomba. (Discuss) Deadline: July 4, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Split and  from Koopa Kid. (Discuss) Deadline: July 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Gold Mario (character) to Gold Mario (form) (Discuss) Deadline: July 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Kat and Ana's Swords with Kat and Ana (Discuss) Deadline: July 10, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Change quotes on more popular pages
Several popular pages, such as Reggie Fils-Aime and Bob Hoskins have quotes including swear words. Technically, swearing is allowed on this wiki with moderation. However, these pages are extremely popular and with a large amount of younger viewers and users it is inappropriate to have such language on such important pages (perhaps not Bob, but definitely Reggie). The guidelines state:

"While most of the Mario series is light and innocent, articles occasionally discuss content that some users find disagreeable, such as transgenderism, homosexuality, religion and the use of profanity in quotes. Under no circumstances will users be allowed to remove or otherwise suppress material of this nature: the Super Mario Wiki is an encyclopedia and will not censor its information. In most cases, there have already been repeated attempts to remove the content, and reopening these debates is frowned upon as being futile, disruptive and even offensive. If you can't handle certain subject matter being professionally addressed on the wiki, that's your problem, not ours."

And this is the only defense in not changing the quotes. A majority of this rule is completely fair. If there is at any point a section in the article that requires discussing transgenderism, homosexuality, religion, etc. (i.e. Birdo and Vivian, or information on an voice actor/staff member who is openly homosexual or Christian, etc.) it is completely fine to include this. It is an important part of being an encyclopedia to include these things. However, unless we're listing every single thing Reggie or Bob have ever said, there is absolutely no reason to place quotes of them swearing on a website designed for kids (admit it, it is). When there are quotes that match up with the person just as well (which have been proposed for both Reggie and Bob), there is absolutely no reason to not use these more appropriate quotes rather than an inappropriate quote containing things which younger children who play Mario should not be reading.

Now, I'm not saying that censorship is the way to go. Replacing swear words with random symbols is completely unprofessional. Using a different quote that does not require censorship is not. Especially if there's really no difference.

I'm also fine with not banning swear words in quotes. For certain pages this may be for the best. However, this rule states that changing the quote is not allowed. This is ridiculous. As I have said multiple times before, if there is a more appropriate quote that describes the person just as well, not being allowed to change it is ridiculous.

IF YOU DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO READ ALL OF THIS, DO NOT VOTE. I spent a lot of time writing out all of the reasons that this rule should be changed or modified, and if I lose because everyone just assumes it's a stupid attempt to replace a well-known rule without reading my reasoning... that's just not fair.

Proposer: Deadline: July 13th, 2014 11:59 GMT

Remove the rule on changing quotes

 * 1) Per proposal.

Leave the rule as it is

 * 1) I oppose this proposal because I feel that both quotes represent the people in this article very well. For starters with the bob hoskins quote his quote represents his view of the movie and how he felt the movie was and if you can find a better quote to represent his feelings on the movie i'd like to hear it. With Reggie while i'll admit i'm not particularly familiar with him the quote on the article seems to represent the image he tries to portray fairly well and I see no reason to change it because someone might get offended.
 * 2) – Per my reasons below.
 * 3) I did read everything you wrote, but I can't agree with you because I believe info shouldn't be changed because a few may be offended by it. Per All.
 * 4) I got to the words "including swear words" and stopped reading. Get it in to your heads people, we are an encyclopedia, we do no censor. Per all.

Comments
@Marshal While I respect your opinion, I'm not proposing specifically in the case of Reggie and Bob. This proposal is for the rule in general and, in my opinion, your vote is based off of one scenario when there are several that could be affected by this change. Reggie and Bob were the examples used because they are the ones who have been questioned. Peanutjon (talk) 23:34, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't particularly understand what you are proposing because the rule that you mentioned isn't supposed to be a rigorous rule that says that any quote that contains anything offensive has to be used. Instead it's supposed to mean that if it's the best quote we will use it even if it could be offensive.
 * Here's my opinion: If there is a better quote that more accurately describes the person/article/situation, then I'm all for a change, however I don't want to see a quote changed in the name of censorship, while I don't believe Reggie's quote is that bad, Hoskins has stirred the pot for years. I don't really believe the "oh think of the kids" is a strong argument, I mean if you spend time on Xbox Live or Playstation all you'll hear is bratty little kids swearing at you and talking about stuff that shouldn't be said about your mom. I however disagree with your assumption that this Wiki is for little kids, do we get little kids? Sure. Is Mario's target demographic children? Probably. Do I edit this Wiki in the name of little kids around the world? No, and I doubt a majority of the Wiki does either.
 * As far as the quotes on the said pages and how thy relate to the people in question, I believe Reggie's quote shows his confidence and bravado, looking at the other quotes on his page, nothing really captures his personality like that does. Hoskins, however shows his frustration and regret during film production, which is alright with me. I also don't believe the rule strictly forbids anyone removing the quote in favor of a better one, as took place on this proposal, none of the other quotes stacked up for captured his frustrations as well. This however has to go through a talk page proposal because of the "controversy" it causes. If you have a better quote for both pages, I'm all ears, but I believe changing them in the name of censorship is lame. However, as I believe both quotes are good, they may/should end up finding their way into a sub-header of quotes. (Under no circumstances will users be allowed to remove or otherwise suppress material of this nature) "otherwise" implying the removal was done in the name of suppressing material. We are a wiki who's sole purpose is and should be information, as with Birdo/Vivian, we won't compromise information or article integrity in the name of censorship or not hurting anyone's feelings, the same attitude should be applied here.
 * I see what you're saying and, unlike most arguments in this situation, it actually makes sense. And in the case of Bob Hoskins, it makes sense that we might not want to change it, because it truly describes his beliefs on the Mario movie best. However, in the case of Reggie, there are multiple quotes that might describe him not only just as well, but better. On Bob Hoskins' page we use that quote because it describes his opinions on the Mario movie. However, Reggie's quote does not. It describes him well, perhaps, however it does not describe his interactions with Nintendo or other Mario stuff very well. There are several quotes that describe him well and also describe his interactions with Nintendo well and, importantly in the case that this is the actual problem surfacing, don't swear. Peanutjon (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
 * P.S. on the note that kids are swearing and saying things that they shouldn't on Xbox live chat and stuff (although this is very unimportant and has nothing to do with anything), have you considered that they might not do that if they didn't hear/see those words first? Peanutjon (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, like I said, I'm all for changing his quote if it's for the betterment of the Wiki and not in the name of censorship, and I'd like to see some of those quotes if possible. But maybe it's just me, but I like this quote as it captures his personality well. The quote you featured here, doesn't really reflect his personality all that well, it does I suppose showcase Nintendo's willingness to produce games, but that might be better suited on the Nintendo article itself.
 * The Reggie quote is pretty famous - right up there with "my body is ready", but more relevant for our wiki given the game-making part of it. If you google search "Reggie Fils-Aimé quotes", you get a YouTube vid and a Know Your Memes entry about "Reggie's famous quote", and wouldn't ya know, it's the quote in question. I also saw it referenced in "Brawl in the Family" once, and numerous other "memorable quotes"-type lists include it. Plus, in the aforementioned Googling, there's also a video from this year's E3 that's also about him vowing to kick ass, so it seems like a recurring theme for the guy rather than an atypical one-off. -

Create Easter Egg Pages
We have glitch and beta element pages, not to mention the Easter Egg page, so I suggest we make pages like "Super Mario 3D Land/Easter Eggs". This would include the UFO, the weird alien at the end of that one ghost house, and any other easter eggs ingame.

Thoughts?

Proposer: Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * No, the easter egg page should be in the rispective articles.
 * 1) - Per Ghost Jam and Mario in the comments: subpages are unnecessary, just focus on fixing up Easter egg and maybe adding sections in applicable game pages.
 * 2) There just aren't enough easter eggs in any given game to split off their own page. They're just fine being incorporated into the article.
 * 3) Per Vommack.
 * 4) Per Vommack.
 * 5) Per Vommack and Walkazo.

Comments
Are there enough Easter Egg in each game to merit it's own articles?
 * I don't think there should be it is own article on Easter Eggs. It should be within it is appropriate article. 02:41, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I'd be much more in favor of either expanding Easter Egg to include everything we have documentation of or working Easter egg sections into relevant articles. -- Chris 02:53, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * To be honest, I think that this would easily go into the Glitches section, but the idea of "Easter Eggs" is so vague, it would be better not to include them at all. -  03:17, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Easter Egg's article formatting is terrible, though, so it probably needs some overhauling. 03:25, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I mean an Eater Egg is such abroad subject, such as a minor glitch, background image or course development. It isn't really worth bothering to make or include. Like the Book that appears in Sunshine would likely fall into an Easter Egg section, but it's in the glitches. Other things, such 3D World's Zelda based stage, is easily mentioned in the article or trivia. I would rather get rid of it altogether and find a better place for the info. - 03:30, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I see that no one wants a new page. But notice that there are no sections for this either? Easter eggs aren't given enough attention. Peanutjon (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Removals
None at the moment.

Improving Mario Party boards articles
I was looking on DK's Jungle Board from Mario Party and I find that the article isn't completely right. There are some improvements that can be made not only in this article, but in every article.
 * A map and a space counter would be useful to let the reader know all the infos on the board. By doing so, the reader can know the difficulty of the course in games that are not Mario Party. And having a map would be useful in boards where there isn't an image (like Eternal Star).
 * Adding headers for results screen and events would be useful. Writing everything in a single paragraph don't help the reader to read. So the opinion is making a level 2 header for the plot before and after playing, another level 2 headers for the event that are splitted in level 3 headers (something like this is in DK's Jungle Ruins from Mario Party 9).

(Please don't write your name in "Oppose" if you're wrong with an idea; instead, if you can't tollerate the articles with one of my ideas, write it in the comments! Thanks for reading and understanding!)

Proposer: Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) It's my proposal.
 * 2) This is a good idea, because more useful info will be added to these articles.
 * 3) As long as the info is relevant with the boards, I'm fine with that.

Comments
This doesn't need a proposal at all. If the information is official and it will help organize things better, go for it! The list of orbs/items/spaces and boards weren't the result of a proposal, it was the result of ways to organize the article better and a general improvement 15:50, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Although if you're going to make a major revamp on a lot of pages, I'd suggest making an example on a sandbox page and running it past a few users for their opinions.--Vommack (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I did similar things when I was new(er). Like making a proposal about making a tennis court template. You don't actually need this proposal, I mean look at what happened to Toad Highlands thanks to me and . It's become the set standard to making or improving golf course articles. Therefore you may do a similar thing here. I'd be willing to help. - 17:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Here you go! For both samples go here: User:Tsunami/Sandbox
 * I don't know about you, but I think the extensively detailed spaces are kinda ugly, they could fit into a nicely organized table. There are so many sections with very small amount of information. I guess it would be better if the whole events section was merged with the starting paragraph. Here is a link of how the article would look like as in your sandbox.-- 06:33, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
 * After looking better, you're right... Maybe the spaces can go on the main page or in the Space page. The main reason I propose this was the events that need expansion (the Coin Stone thing isn't in the article). But I think that the Jungle Adventure page is disorganized... Another way is making the "Layout" section, with a general description, then the subsection "Events"... but "Plot" I think that would remain (and I was thinking about merging quotes with it).
 * Too many headers: better to merge the Ending with Plot and get rid of the subheaders for the events, and as mentioned earlier, the space counter could be a small table in the the Layout section. A few other things also need fixing up with that draft. I made my own revision to the sandbox to show my ideas of how it could be done (minus the chart). -

Moving DIY quotes to top page
I think that the description quotes from the minigames shall be on the top of the page (since there are 90 pages to modify it's better to ask).

Proposer: Deadline: July 5, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I think it looks better than having the description all by itself in a section with just one old sentence.

Oppose

 * 1) I don't see why it should be moved from the infobox.
 * 2) Per Vommack.

Comments
I don't get what page you're talking about. Can you link it for me? 15:51, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I think he means put a quote at the top of the Minigame article that states the info that the game puts info on. It's rather trivial to be honest, and doesn't really merit a proposal anyway, but he could mean that he's going to simply move it up the page more. So is this supposed to move it up the page or create a quote at the top? - 17:17, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Look at my sandbox
 * The has to go above the quote. -

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.