Talk:Azure Roller

Why does this page exist as a seperate entity from Roller?
There are no differences between this Roller and Azure Roller besides the name and color, so isn't it a little bit redundant? We have already decided that Daisy's named moves in Smash be covered under Peach's moves, despite them having notably more differences. So why does this page need to exist? -- memoryman3 17:04, October 20, 2019 (EDT)


 * One didn't exist before Mario Kart 8 - the other did, and had substantial stat changes between 7 to 8, and then again between 8 and 8 Deluxe. In both Mario Kart 8 and the Deluxe version, they're also subjected to different CPU usage "preferences" as well. As mentioned previously, the matter of Daisy's moves were already thoroughly well-covered and do not have that much bearing on this one, since attack moves are covered differently from things like kart pieces. I feel that's enough reason to keep it split. -- 17:16, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Per Lord Grammaticus. 17:17, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then again, Peach Blossom, Peach Bomber and Peach Parasol went through notable changes from game to game. None of which applied to Daisy. Daisy Blossom outright didn't exist until Ultimate. Daisy Blossom is used by a different character and has differences such as completely different frames and cycles through 5 variants instead of six. Daisy Blossom doesn't spawn peaches. By that logic, Azure Roller can easily be covered in the gallery and by a single sentence on the Roller page, because it is literally the exact same case. Only difference being that this is a Mario Kart wheel vs a Smash Bros. attack, both blocks in a greater structure. They are synonyms of the same case. If this was any other user then I bet the outcome would have been different, but no, this is memoryman3 and Daisy, and no one likes memoryman's Daisy devotion. --MK8DX_Daisy_Icon.png memoryman3 17:22, October 20, 2019 (EDT)


 * Kindly stop acting in bad faith, changing the subject constantly, and generally making this about you and some presumptuous persecution of you or your fandom, and realize that we're simply making a case for the page remaining split like you asked us to when you started off this discussion. -- 17:27, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you were another user, the split would still be opposed. If you had a different username but acted the same, you would face the same pushback. Dozens of users have acted rudly, like bigots, entitled, etc. We have dealt with these users. The mindset that you have isn't new, so just because you are Memoryman does not make us treat you worse. How we react to your actions is a reflection of what you have done. 17:34, October 20, 2019 (EDT)


 * None of them apply to Daisy because her attacks effectively use the latest version of Peach's moveset as a template and changes various textures and objects, without any changes to damage, knockback, hitboxes, etc. that significantly impacts gameplay. Also, the fact that they're an attack and an item from two completely different genre of games should more than explain the world difference in the treatment of their subjects. And before I drift completely off topic - yes, the Roller and Azure Roller have the same stats, and thus similar impact on gameplay, but that impact is different enough from the several other tires in the games they appeared in, and is different between appearances.
 * Every argument that you have been made against Daisy Blossom's split can be applied to Azure Rollers, which are effectively the latest version of the Roller without any significant changes to geometry, size, speed, weight, stats. etc that even impacts gameplay slightly. The genre of games aren't that different in this context. Both are competitive multiplayer games with stat differences with the different characters, moves, and cars. The last point makes no sense, Peach Blossom is completely different from the other Final Smashes except Daisy Blossom, much more so than the other tires. Peach Blossom and Daisy Blossom are even animated differently. I don't see how I am the one who is in bad faith here - I'm just adding content to the wiki and trying to improve it. --MK8DX_Daisy_Icon.png memoryman3 17:37, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Don't blame me, I'm just rigging the elections for your own good!" Stop making this about you. It's reeeeeeeeeally not helping your case. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:38, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

It not debuting in the same game as the regular Roller wheels shouldn't matter. In 8 and 8DX, it's the same wheel, just with a different color. I'm more for putting these two on the same page. Also, stop arguing with each other. 17:41, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * My concern with merging is that there would be an entire section on MK7-specific stats that don't apply to the variant. The infoboxes could end up being awkward as well, unless they had a second infobox for the variant. -- 17:45, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Which is the exact same argument I made for Daisy Blossom being seperate. I think it will be fine as the Azure Roller is essentially a color swap of Roller. We can treat it as a sub-article of Roller.--MK8DX_Daisy_Icon.png memoryman3 17:47, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * The difference is that the Mario Kart pages contain a lot more technical information and sections that only apply to specific games. -- 17:50, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * I remember when we used to cover smash special moves in their separate articles, even moves like PK Thunder and PK Starstorm were merged, even when they did display separate gameplay properties. Just throwing that out there. `


 * This is practically the exact same rebuttal we made to that argument last time. This is literally going in the same circles as previous discussions on top of being off-topic anyway, so I'm going to drop that subject and hope that everyone will do the same, along with avoiding flame baiting.


 * Sticking purely to the subject of the page, I'm mostly in the same boat as WT, and I still think the stat changes and CPU preferences are enough for a split in my honest opinion. -- 17:52, October 20, 2019 (EDT)