MarioWiki:Proposals

Add brainwashing to the list of Frequently misused terms
I think a personal pet peeve of mine has come to me, and that's the frequent usage of brainwashing as an umbrella term for mind control. In many works of fiction, it's not too rare to see mind control be a driving plot point. However, it's something completely impossible in real life. Brainwashing, on the other hand, is something possible in real life. I don't want to get into the real-life nature of brainwashing, but to put it bluntly; people can get brainwashed not by silly, fictional mind control chips but by propaganda and/or abuse. Brainwashing is especially true for cults.

However, it's prevalent for the term "brainwashing" to apply to any attempt at science fiction mind control and possession. I can't list many examples; you've probably seen multiple instances where mind control is labeled as brainwashing, even in Super Mario games such as Super Paper Mario. One of the lines in the game state, "See, they've already sworn eternal allegiance to Count Bleck, 'K? And now you need to, so I'll just go ahead and pencil you in for a 10 o'clock brainwashing." I'll go more in-depth about this later, but 'it's an inaccurate comparison because brainwashing works through manipulation, and the victim has to agree'' to it to become brainwashed. Mind control involves taking control of someone else's mind, which they have no control over.' What decided me do this is seeing the Tricky the Triceratops article mention he was "brainwashed" by Wizpig when the game manual states the bosses are in his control (unless some other material does'' state brainwashing). I mean, is it accurate to state that Shadow Queen is brainwashing Peach? Not really; she is just possessing her body. And for the record, we try significantly to avoid bad umbrella terms. The biggest are "beta" and "sub-species." With beta, we had an issue of people referring to an old version of a game as this, without any proof it's a beta build and just as a horrible term to describe any pre-release concept, including concept art. Sub-species were incorrectly used to describe variants of different enemies and were entirely speculative in many instances. The arguments that these terms work fine the way they are wholly ignore the fact that we are spreading misinformation here.

So if you couldn't tell for some reason, this proposal aims to put brainwashing in as one of those frequently misused terms in the Good writing section on the wiki. That way, users don't blanketly use the term to describe any term of mind control as brainwashing. Now I should clarify that this only refers to instances that don't state it's brainwashing. As brought up with the Super Paper Mario example, brainwashing is used as an umbrella term in that game as a synonym for mind control. If that is indeed the case, it's also valid to label it as brainwashing since the game is using that term. This is to avoid it when that term isn't used and perhaps any time brainwashing is brought up in these games as a term, it could be stated that it's actually mind control to not confuse readers, but that could be an awkward solution so putting in the misused terms is probably good enough.

Proposer: Deadline: July 6, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) As someone who has lazily used the term brainwashing as an umbrella term, I find this to be a useful suggestion. Per proposal.
 * 3) let's stop being brainwashed into incorrectly using "brainwash".
 * 4) - As someone who has hypnotized herself in real life before for the heck of it and studied effects of mental-altering processes, I think we should indeed be more accurate to this subject.
 * 5) There are clear differences between these terms that should be addressed. Per proposal.
 * 6) - Yeahhh, unless the game itself expressly calls it brainwashing (see: SPM), we should probably not be throwing that word around willy-nilly, especially if more accurate alternatives exist.
 * 7) - Well, if the word "brainwashing" is being used incorrectly, then the Wiki should make sure that people don't use it just to mean "mind control".
 * 8) Per all.

Comments
Should cases of hypnosis also be included? It's often used as a synonym for mind control in media as well, even though it's very different from brainwashing or mind control alike in real life. 13:00, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
 * Sadly, it's a bit too late to change that. Wikiboy10 (talk) 12:43, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

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Change remaining instances of "MarioWiki" to "SMWiki"
Going off of the TPP that successfully decided that we rename to the Super Mario franchise, I would like to make a proposal to move the MarioWiki namespace to SMWiki. I had the idea when reading the About page, which says that SMWiki is a frequent name used for the wiki. Using "Super Mario Wiki" as the project namespace would be too long, and SMWiki takes up slightly fewer letters than MarioWiki.

One option is to only change the MarioWiki namespace prefix to "SMWiki," and another option changes other instances of MarioWiki to "SMWiki," such as the search bar on the side. Regardless of outcome the only thing that would remain unchanged by this proposals are talk pages and wiki archives.

Proposer: Deadline: July 7, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Change all instances of "MarioWiki" to "SMWiki" (excluding archives)

 * 1) As proposer.

Do nothing

 * 1) This is the first time I've ever seen "SMWiki" mentioned and it's not as clear as MarioWiki in my opinion. Besides, I don't really see the point of this change - the wiki's name has always been Super Mario Wiki while the namespace is called MarioWiki, and it's never caused any issues. The renaming of the article in the mainspace isn't very relevant to this in my opinion.
 * 2) I agree with Hewer here; "MarioWiki" has been a fine enough namespace as is, and the reason why I find it better than the proposed "SMWiki" alternate is that the proposed name is an abbreviation, which is not as clear as the full words (We used to have redirects to the MarioWiki namespace that we're "MW:[TEXT]" but then they all were removed for no reason, so I don't think an abbreviated namespace would last long).
 * 3) Per all, also the Twitter handle only abbreviates it because of character limitations so that's not a very good example.
 * 4) per all. Very unneeded
 * 5) I have never heard anyone call this the "SMWiki".
 * 6) Very unnecessary to rename the project namespace from MarioWiki to SMWiki. Plus, MarioWiki as a namespace matches with the wiki's URL: https://www.mariowiki.com/
 * 7) Per all, but especially Arend. Unless you want to move the URL of the site itself to SMWiki.com, this feels like a case of almost hilariously overcompensating for just one option when a much more consistently used name exists. (Besides, Twitter has been on a very steady but very certain decline and has evidently started rolling out a change that forces a user to sign up or log in to even read posts on it as of last night--the idea that we should start bending the wiki itself to be more in-line with the Twitter account now is... a very hard sell.)
 * 8) Per all, I do not think this would be a necessary change.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) No.

Comments
@Hewer: I just remembered the the Twitter account uses SMWikiOfficial
 * As the guy who created it, I am absolutely floored the clunky @ I thought up in 5 seconds because "@Mariowiki" was squatted is now being used as justification to change the name of the entire wiki lmao --Glowsquid (talk) 20:13, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The people opposing raise some good points. However, perhaps it was just my fixation on the "Super Mario" brand because I like to think of it as "Suepr Mario is the brand while Mario is the character". And SMWiki, although abbreviated, is more consistent with the main name of the wiki (assuming that's why "MW:[TEXT] was changed?). But yeah not seeing "Mario" in "SMWiki" abbreviation is kind of annoying too. No easy solution to this. CoolNintendo (talk) 11:00, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
 * The brand can be and still is called Mario for short, which I think is a much better shorthand than the vague and clunky "SM", which I've never seen used outside this context. 04:14, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Make infoboxes and navboxes round
Another proposal I'd like to make is simple and it would make the infoboxes and navbox borders round. now i don't know how to make things round because i'm not that big of an expert but the reason I making this proposal is because the sidebar and page display section have round border and i have this thing where i like it when thing look consistent. Also, the Mushroom in the logo is round.

Proposer: Deadline: July 8, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) As proposer.
 * 2) I use round infoboxes for my Wikias. I don't understand what you're talking about "stacking" infoboxes. We don't put multiple infoboxes together, do we? Even when a page has two infoboxes like the Smash characters, the Smash infobox is separated from the main infobox. Main infobox goes at the top. Smash infobox goes in the Super Smash Bros section.

Oppose

 * 1) I really, really dislike the round infobox design.
 * 2) Round navboxes would look horrible. They're meant to stack on top of each other, which would look much worse if the side of their collective shape had a bunch of divots.
 * 3) Per all, I prefer the pointed design and I don't really see the value in making it "consistent" with other boxes that serve completely different purposes and have different designs (much less the logo which isn't a box at all).
 * 4) per all.
 * 5) - Bricks stack. Slabs don't.

Comments
Rounded borders would be done by adding "border-radius: #px;" in html coding, replacing the hashtag with a number depending on how rounded you want the corners (bigger number = rounder corners). Though, I'm curious, what do you mean when you say the "page display" is rounded? 12:40, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
 * I assume they mean the rectangle in which page content is displayed (as opposed to the sidebar), but I'd say "consistency" is a bit of moot point in this case (I'm writing this comment in a non-rounded edit box). 13:23, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Although its embarrassing that both my proposals are being massively opposed, I don't mind others input so then we at least have a record of if ever someone later has a similar idea (or same one) we can say like "someone tried this and people did not like it". i just hope im not less welcome in this community due to my proposals
 * Nobody said you're unwelcome in this community due to your proposals! Proposals are simply meant to address ways in which the wiki runs and determines things, and as long as you're not insulting others then you're fine. You're being considerate and understanding the opposition calmly, so you're fine. 14:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

@SeanWheeler I'm talking about stacking NAVboxes, thank you very much. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:41, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

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