User talk:Stumpers

Welcome to my talk page. If you wish to contact me, this is the best way. Every twenty headings, I'll archive, but feel free to revive old conversations if you feel an issue needs to be explored more. Or, if you want to drop me a line, that's great, too. I love mail like... well, it's always special.

Wario Land 4
None of the other Wario Land games are referred to as Warioland. Why change 4?

RE: *looks sheepish*
Lol. It took me forever to switch from User: to to  : curse you autopilot. Anyway, I don't mind switching your sig all the time, it makes me feel useful. Plus, I'm just anal about that sorta thing, and that's sheepish-ness worthy... Not that that makes much sense in its own right... Hmm... Anyway, see you around! - 23:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Handeling the 'other series' merging.
Hi Stumpers! Because the Garlic Man's proposal will be gone soon (or it might even be gone now, actually), we need a new place to discuss this before you make another proposal about it. It's already clear that we're going to be merging the minor articles, and not deleting them. I just think everyone needs to clear up what exactly should be affected by the merge first, though. Everyone seems fine with the playable 3rd party/SSB characters keeping their articles, but small cameos and stage elements should merge into the 'series pages'. I also think that everyone fine with merging the Items into the series pages, too. However I think we should get rid of the 'List of Trophies in SSBB' page and merge each trophy into their proper series page. Also, when do you plan on making the proposal? -Moonshine

"Mario Super Sluggers - Gals Supporters" topic
Hey, Stumpers! :) M. C. here; see about checking this new topic on my talk page when you have the chance! --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! 11:05, 5 September 2008 (EDT) User Page | Talk Page -- We're supporting the Mario series' gals full force on this game!

Merge
Y'know, It would make alot of sense to merge the articles you were talking about merging. Seriously, Dry Bowser can easily be redirected to a section on the Bowser Article. Shadow Mario doesn't need to be merged with Bowser Jr., but he needs to be put into an article about Mario's fakes and identity thieves.

Well, why don't you put a notice on the page that says that that character has appeared in a game at the same time the other has.

So what if this wiki will have about 2000 less articles if all that stuff was merged. It would still be one of the most successful. I understand your logic though, which leads me to this question: Can I make a proposal? Get back to me on that as soon as possible. --R.O.B 128 22:06, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. How does this sound:

Deletion/merging of the non Mario Series articles: These articles are not needed, at all. Seriously, you do know that there are wikis on series like Kirby and Star Fox.

Articles that are not needed:
 * Slippy Toad
 * Gordo
 * All of the SSB character's special moves and Final Smashes.
 * Arwing

Articles needed to be merged:
 * Sonic series characters
 * SSB series characters (Except for R.O.B. He's good)

The idea of giving information about another series is stupid.

That is my proposal. What do you think? --R.O.B 128 16:39, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

This wiki is very successful, but very selfish in terms of articles. You do know the purpose of this Mario based Wiki is to give info about Mario

No Sonic or other series character was ever in the Mario series; Who's the dolt who wrote that crap? As bueracrat of Kirby and Star Fox wikis, I find this disturbing. Just letting you know.

If I hadn't used the word stupid, you'd still think it would fail.--R.O.B 128 15:16, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

I think your proposal will work. I you have knowledge on the Star Fox, please join the wiki about it. --☆R.O.B 128☆ 19:50, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Guess what.
Guess who's a sysop at Kirby Wiki now. ;) Also, did you ever make that proposal concerning the merging of the Sonic & other series pages? -Moonshine

Are you talking to me, or this guy? ☆R.O.B 128☆ 16:50, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Why me?
Birdoshi is the one that lied. Why do you do this to me?

C'mon, I didn't mean what I said. Give me a break. I'll delete the whole argument on the Birdo Talk page now.--☆R.O.B 128☆ 19:56, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Can user get in troble if they remove warnings? I remember seeing three warnings that Stoob gave to R.O.B 128 earlyer and I think ROB 128 erased them.
 * Thank God you showed up to stop it all; I tried to, (and obviously Grapes did too, kudos to her), but ROB128 wouldn't listen. That's why it's awesome you're a Sysop. 21:07, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

R.O.B.: On this Wiki, what you type automatically is considered what you mean, so be careful, ok? You're not banned, so don't worry and just be more considerate in the future. Grapes: There's no policy that says that it's illegal, but regardless he now has an official warning from me, so I think the issue is settled. To everybody here: thanks for trying to resolve the problem amongst yourselves. When it comes to warnings the most effective in ending arguments are those that come from sysops - if you get one of us there sooner rather than later many harsh words and bad feelings can be averted. I hope that everyone can keep being fellow editors and no one feels hated on. 21:43, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

^ o ^ Hi!! & thanks for the advice! ^ ______________ ^
 * Of course you're a good Sysop! Yeah, taking sides is hard...I generally don't do it unless I feel one user is being considerably more abusive than the other(s). I've done it on Userpedia, and it's not easy. College is awesome! How's it going for you? 16:56, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I just saw your message. I'm sorry you miss your home and video games. :( But, the dorm life must be cool, right? 03:58, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
 * It sounds nice. :) The college I go to doesn't have dorms. :\ So you're going home this weekend? Awesome. :) Hope you enjoy your time home. 21:51, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You're welcome. :) 22:17, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Hello
I'm still getting the hang of this wiki and making new friends, so I figured why not try to be friends with you! Anyway, I also have a question while I'm talking to you. Right now I am opposing Bowser becoming a FA. Time Q has started a removal of oppose votes. Can I vote for removal of other oppose votes even if I'm opposing? The reason I want to do this is because if those unspecific votes are removed, people will focua on my oppose vote more (I think). Anyway, can I do this or is there a rule against it?

RE: Mario & Luigi's Parents
Thanks for telling me about the developments; I'm glad things are moving forward with Canonicity and that I was of some assistance in the matter. - 22:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You didn't mention that before, but I'm grateful you did now. If you don't mind me saying, I think it's a bad idea. True, it will quell discussions over the varying laws of physics between things like Paper Mario and the more conventional genres, but even those are vastly differentiated. For example, Super Mario Bros. and Super Princess Peach look and feel nothing alike, even though they're both 2D Platformers; and if they're not considered part of the same genre, that just highlights the fact that many people are gonna get confused over the divisions. Not everyone has the patience (and/or common sense) to actually go and read the policy pages, after all. Plus, it goes against the "all games are created equal" motif I thought we adapted as of late, or is that still part of the discussions as well? I feel bad for being so adamant in my views (especially since you seem willing to bend over backwards developing ways everyone can read what they want in the way they want); but all-in-all, honesty is the best policy. - 22:49, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I still have some concerns, but I shall wait until seeing your mock-up before passing any more judgement. Talk to you later! - 22:23, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Re: Special Moves Merge
The idea was just one of many ideas I threw into the room to test out the reaction of the userbase. I know that several people didn't like the big focus on SSB on the wiki, but others are SSB fanboys, and I wanted to see who are more. I wanted to see how far I could go decreasing the focus. This level seems to get the biggest acceptance. - 14:38, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Need help please help Iggykoopa hey how do you start a proposal?

Re: We need your input.
Hey Stumpers, thanks for letting me know. I feel kind of guilty now for not caring about the forum at all. :P Thanks for taking your time to tell me.

First off, I agree with all points made in the thread. I long since have pursued the word "canon" because it is based on nothing more than fan view. Games that are technically spin-off but have a notable story, like Mario Pinball Land, often created problems in the Biography/spin-off division. For one thing, if the section is labelled "Biography" for Mario, Yoshi's Island should come first. If it is labelled "Game Appearances", Donkey Kong should come first. I wouldn't want a "Biography" to start with Donkey Kong and later get to Yoshi's Island, thus going back in time. I agree with how the sources are intended to be sorted in point 4, just don't call it a biography. ;)

I agree on the outline you draw for the proposal. At least one opposer would have to provide serious reasons for supporting the system as it is currently. Other than that, I know that the proposal system has the sort of "flaw" which lets everybody go "per Mr. X" and don't provide a reason themselves. We shouldn't change that, but it points out that supporters without any reasoning would be the least of our problem.

Concerning your second addendum to the proposal, I would favour a little bar to chronologically browse the games. However, I don't see this working out with Mario Party 8 and Mario Strikers Charged Football concerning their different American and European release dates, conflicts might arouse there. Also, blatant ports such as Super Mario Advance would be included here, that would make an overview problematic. But what's a port and what a full remake, like Super Mario 64 DS? Adding it to the chronology bar would not make any difference for Bowser or Peach, but be very important for Yoshi, as he was changed from a cameo character to a protagonist. The status of such games should be cleared. The bar would take a lot of space on a page of a character who only appeared in 1 or 2 games. I can see this bar being used, but only when the conflict potential is worked against in the beginning. Otherwise, it wouldn't serve its purpose.

For all the rest, I fully agree with you and am waiting for the proposal to come! - 10:58, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

I didn't get what you are asking me in the last sentence. - 12:24, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm fine with that. - 15:09, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

RE:SSB moves
I'm game to helping you but I wasn't sure where to right my name down. MC Hammer  Bro.  15:36, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Special Moves Merge Proposal

 * This was my first time dealing with a proposal, so I guess it was dumb of me to make article changes until the proposal was accepted. Also, about your question on if I moved the images, I did since it was only Lucario and Meta Knight that I worked on. I left the other articles alone. Anyway, next time, I'll remember to NOT do anything until a specific proposal is accepted.  17:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Taking Credit

 * Sorry to tell you this, but you're the only member that can edit User:Stumpers/Test (no one else can edit it but you). If you have the chance however, just add the template below right next to the Lucario and Meta Knight sections for me.     19:09, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I should also mention that some articles are locked, so we're not able to edit or add ANYTHING to them. From what I've seen, the Mario article is protected from editing, so there's no way we can merge his special moves onto his main article unless it's an administrator that's doing the edits. Just wanted to remind you about that flaw on your mission to merge special moves.  19:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Proposal Assistance

 * Since your proposal is accepted, I'll help you on your work whenever possible. I did get punished for making a minor article a while back, but I've learned my lesson after that time.  Hopefully, my assistance will help speed up your process of merging special moves.  19:49, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You're very welcome. Glad to be of assistance.  18:55, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Articles that I've merged Special Moves to
Note: I'll be adding to this section until all the special moves are merged to their specific articles.


 * Lucario
 * Meta Knight
 * Wario
 * Sonic
 * Bowser
 * Mewtwo (R.O.B 128 was also working on it.)
 * Ganondorf
 * Mr. Game & Watch
 * Donkey Kong
 * Link
 * Toon Link
 * Wolf
 * Ike
 * Marth

14:28, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

ssb
What do I do for Jump punch and fire ball (in luigi's article)? MC Hammer  Bro.  19:01, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Re: Template
Well, there appears to be some sort of glitch with the, seeing as that there is no To separate the template from the actual text. Check the Solid Snake article again. I have all of the templates right-aligned. If you think that it's too asymmetrical, then I'll completely get rid of the template. 21:35, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, when the images are shrunk down, large tacky borders engulf it. :-\ Yeah, the white space is a bit pesky too. Perhaps it'd be best just to delete the template altogether. It was a good idea for when the articles were separate, but it's a little harder to utilize since they got merged. I'll start removing the template from the pages. :) 23:17, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Same here. When you think about it, it'd be like having multiple level-infoboxes in world articles; it just doesn't make sense. Hey, no problem; I like doing little edits. ;) 00:55, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You're edits are awesome. Really, the only massive expansions I've ever done was on Yoshi (series) and Donkey Kong Hockey; you do expansions on almost every article you edit! :D Kudos. 01:06, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Aye, Yoshi (series) is now featured. It makes it on the main page on November 1st. =3 That's probably the most effort I've ever put into an article. Ah, same here. I'm trying to take care of all of the NSMB world/level articles (Super-Yoshi's helping me), and rid all the articles of the Smashbox template. 01:17, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks! I'd help with the MSS Cards...but I don't know anything about MSS. DX 10:37, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Templates are kind of fun actually. :o That's true. Sometimes working hard for your projects is a lot of fun. :) 12:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed. It's always good to know that you've brought some sort of professionalism and/or improvement to the site. Templates can be that way sometimes. Like this one or this one. I was so happy when I figured out the crazy coding for making the release dates interchangeable (with some help from Cobold, of course). :) But then, sometimes it gets a little chaotic, like at the bottom of the Bowser article. <_< 12:46, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Birdo Species
Birdo is at the least a yoshi subspeicies, but I am sure that I someware read her to be a yoshi. (In the origional game she looks just like yoshi) plus she has the same abilities as yoshi. Like humans, just because they look different, doesn't mean they are a different species. Reply on my talkpage.

Maybe they should be all a subspiecies of Dinosaurs, As they are definatly that. Elliotcroft 14:30, 9 October 2008 (EDT)