Talk:Goal Pole

I always thought it was a skull, and the remakes in Super Mario All-Stars clearly indicate that it is a skull. This skull likely represents that a fort or castle is under the control of the Koopa Troop. When Mario brings the flag down, he is performing a symbolic gesture signifying Bowser's rule in this location is over. -- Son of Suns

Hmmm... you're probably right. You can add that if you want. 14:36, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Aren't flagpoles in SMG and SMG2? Revenge Of Kurbio (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

They are but don't work like these. They I think only appear in Throwback and Bowser's Galaxy Generator.

Move Flagpole to Goal Pole
It's the newer name. According to this, we should always use the newer name.

Proposer: Deadline: September 3, 2012 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per above.
 * 2) Goal Pole is used in NSMB2 and we should always update our info. Times change, and so do names of items, characters, etc. If we leave this to remain Flagpole, we might as well rename the article Mario to Jumpman with a redirect to take care of things.
 * 3) Flagpole has clearly been ditched in favour of Goal Pole, which is undisputably a cooler name anyway. Strongly Support the move.

Oppose

 * 1) Thinking about Queen Bee and Star, I don't know. The Flagpole's old name can be remained like this. Even newer names are born after a recent release of a new game, we often keep the old name which we are used to the most.
 * 2) this proposal  sets a precedent that we should use the most commonly used name which in this case would be flag pole.
 * 3) Per Raven Effect, at first I was undecided, but this comment tipped me to oppose.

Comments
Hmmm this one is tough, I can't decide, you've both made good arguments. At this point I am 50.01/49.99 for support. August 21 2012 8:25 (EDT)

Question: In the proposal you mentioned Raven, someone mentioned that if she is called Honey Queen in another game, we should change it. As far as I know, the name "Goal Pole" was first used in Super Mario 3D Land (does someone have a NSMBWii manual?) and was later used in Mario Tennis Open and New Super Mario Bros. 2. It seems that Goal Pole is used more often than Flagpole. Even if they didn't read the instruction manual for Super Mario Bros., "flagpole" is often used by fans even after the name change.

Flagpole: used in Super Mario Bros., Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix Goal Pole: used in Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Tennis Open, New Super Mario Bros. 2

And in New Super Mario Bros. DS it's just called a "Goal".


 * Flagpole is also called that in The Lost Levels, BiS, MP8 and TTYD.
 * I've beaten TTYD and never seen it referred to by name...searched the |game script and couldn't find it. And in MP8 it's called "flag". I don't know about BiS though but you're probably right about Lost Levels.
 * In NSMBW it is just called the "Goal" I have the manual I know...

@JORDAN DEBONO We don't always have to use the new name. Most of the time we just use the most common name, a good example of this is the Star which in recent games has been called the Super Star, but we didn't change the article.

I say wait 1 more game, if it is confirmed to be Goal Pole in NSMBU then I will support.