MarioWiki talk:New articles

Completely separate articles or not, I'm starting to see Memoryman3's points in his various talk page contributions. Yeah, I don't agree with his actions (he was handed a last warning yesterday for edit warring and putting through unsettled proposals), but it is looking like it's completely arbitrary the similar articles we have being merged or split. While the Daisy Blossom talk is very heavily fan worship, our new articles policy doesn't make a mention for every specific article. Everything with a different name should have its own page, though if it does the exact same thing as something else, it's merged. This makes sense for names like Star Thwomp and Super Thwomp, or Unagi and Maw-Ray, or all of the Special Shots in Mario Tennis Aces because they literally are the same subject. But by the standards we have given ourselves, Daisy Blossom, Azure Roller, etc. qualify both for separate pages as well as merged ones. By that point, Goombo should be merged with Goomba because they both wonder into Mario, take one stomp to defeat, and is a Goomba. We also have separate articles for very minor NPCs, which makes it seem like we give everything with a name it's own page, yet we recently cut back on our Smash Bros. content, merging every non-Mario special move with its character. There is also the once and only once policy, which means duplicated information should just be in one place.

Putting aside Memoryman3's repetition, what do you think about this? Should every little thing, whether it be merged or separated, be handled with (better put-together) proposals? If I made a proposal to split Daisy Blossom with this information, would I be denied the same as Memoryman3? 10:36, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * The problem was never about Memoryman or his reputation, we never voted against his proposal solely because it was him who proposed it. It was because we felt his reasons were invalid. I still would not vote for it because it is almost identical save for special effects. I would vote on a subsection in that article, but I would not vote to create a separate page. --MikhailMCraft (talk • contribs) 10:41, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Same. I opposed his proposals because A. he was trying to pass through a personal opinion, B. they both seemed very reactive, and C. his reasons didn't make much sense otherwise - why else would I have deconstructed his first proposal Omega Tyrant style? 10:46, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think applying the same standard to everything, regardless of what type of subject (enemy, item, move, whatever) it is, is a really bad idea. The current case-by-case basis works fine, imo. -- 10:48, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * ...That word was supposed to be "repetition" [[File:Paper Mario Dizzy.png]] My mind went one way, my hands went another :P I do agree with your points, I opposed his proposal myself because it went all over the place. A section for the move is possible. 10:52, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Understandable, though it is apt for the discussion at hand. Anyhow, preparing my reasoning shortly. -- 10:55, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * The thing is, his repetition was also a deciding factor in our decision to oppose. He seemed so desperate to, as he puts it, "win", that I feel he wasn't focused on the proposal itself, and it kind of became tit-for-tat arguments on each other (prominent on the Discord) and it became about pushing his proposal through no matter what based on his liking of Daisy rather than to improve the wiki itself. --MikhailMCraft (talk • contribs) 10:59, October 21, 2019 (EDT)

I think all these should be seperate because technically, they are not exactly the same. Special effects is still a difference. To be honest seeing a link to Daisy Blossom having a picture of Peach’s version makes no sense to me and is awkward. Same for the Azure Rollers, or Goombos or any other variant. I believe it will improve the wiki’s accessibility if merging is more like a last resort. --&#32;memoryman3 (talk) 11:13, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * So would you be fine with splitting the Goomba page for each variant between different games? Would you be fine with splitting all 45 subsections of Yamamura's Dojo into their own separate articles? Your logic doesn't make sense. --MikhailMCraft (talk • contribs) 11:34, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Goombo's Japanese name additionally refers to it as a  version of it, and I will never support splitting of red/green Troopa/Shy-type situations. That is one of the many pitfalls that has recently gutted Zeldawiki to an almost hilarious degree. It doesn't work. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:33, October 21, 2019 (EDT)

Just going to say that what Zeldawiki covers is irrelevant to this wiki. Each wiki covers information as it pleases, so not sure why you brought that up. At most Daisy Blossom and her other smash moves should redirect to Peach's with the description of move mentioning that it changes name to Daisy's when used by her and have a sub-section of images Peach and Daisy using the move. Otherwise the page should stay the same as it is because there is really no difference. --CastleResearch (talk) 14:13, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Uh? I'm using it as an example of a wiki that has done this to show that it does vastly more harm than good. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:01, October 21, 2019 (EDT)