Talk:Yoshi

Yoshi in Yoshi Story
I wonder if it is possible that the six Yoshis in Yoshi's Story were trapped in eggs by Baby Bowser when he transformed the island, the same way he traps them in Super Mario World. This would explain why they are newborns at the beginning of the game, and yet already know what they need to do. - Buddy

Not likely, Buddy, if the Yoshi hatchlings from Yoshi's Story were "trapped," then how did they hatch? It's more logical they escaped Baby Bowser by fate (the eggs were located "at a remote edge of the island" [Yoshi's Story Instruction Booklet]). Yoshis are an advanced species and are smart. The Yoshi hatchlings probably figured things out for themselves, plus their instincts knew that things were a little "topsy-turvy" with the abduction of the Super Happy Tree. The little Yoshis headed on an adventure by following their instincts (or in this case "gut") by eating fruit that lead them to defeat Baby Bowser and reclaim the Supper Happy Tree. -DarkBlueYoshi

And plus, that my friend is opinionated. It does not deserve to be on the article because that sentence phails we do not want to give out false info

Yoshi in Mario Sunshine
Was it actually THE Yoshi in super Mario Sunshine? I thought they were different Yoshi's.


 * The Yoshi is referred to as "Yoshi" in the instruction manual and player's guide. In the game, Yoshi is green until he eats a fruit, then changes back to green when he either runs out of juice or hits the water. Also, all official artwork shows Mario riding the green Yoshi. -- Son of Suns

It could have just been a Green Yoshi species. Paper Jorge


 * As stated above, the sources refer to "Yoshi" not "Yoshis". -- Son of Suns

ALL Yoshis are just called "Yoshi" and besides, how can yoshi go from egg to no egg?


 * Not really, when they aren't the Yoshi, they usually say a Yoshi, instead of just Yoshi. Although I do agree that they probably are generic Yoshis. Edit: forgot to sign. Myles [[Image:LuigipartyDS.png|30px]]

Yoshi's Story Mouser45 finished the Yoshi's favorite fruits
I,Mouser 45 finished the Yoshi's favorite fruit types in Yoshi's Story. Hope I helped everyone! -Mouser45

THE Yoshi
It is not confrimed if the Yoshi in Super Mario World 1 and 2 is really THE Yoshi. It could just be the green specie. And in Partners in Time it's not confirmed if that's the Yoshi...or is it? Paper Jorge


 * The Yoshi from Super Mario World is the same Yoshi that is a selectable character in the kart, sports, and party series. In the Mario Party 2 instruction manual, it states that Yoshi is the same Yoshi that saved Mario and Luigi when they were babies. This means that the Yoshi from SMW 2 is the same Yoshi we know and love. Partners in Time is more sketchy. Official artwork depicts the Yoshi with Yoob, and Yoshi certainly acts as he does in other series. That is why I note that the PoT Yoshi is "apparently" the Yoshi, but could be a different one as in Yoshi's Story. -- Son of Suns

It is THE Yoshi, he thinks he remembers Baby Mario! User:Maxlover2

THE Yoshi is born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS. Some random green Yoshi can't be a Star Child. THE Yoshi is also the green one from Yoshi's Story, methinks. The Yoshis from Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS are the parents of the Yoshis in Yoshi's Story. Just theories. If the tide of this debate goes to Yoshi being the green Yoshi born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS, we should probably deleted the Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS section of the biography.

There are some people who think that the Village Leader and Yoshi are the same yoshi.-Informant
 * It's never been confirmed, though, so we can't put it in the article. 22:51, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with Mariofan, some random green yoshi couldn't be a Star Child. Wouldn't make sense for some random green yoshi to be just as powerful and successful as "the" yoshi, now would it? Mumbles 19:37, 19 May 2008 (EDT)


 * There was nothing saying that that Yoshi hatching at the end was shown in chronological order. I'd say that Yoshi is the same one that helped Baby Mario. Myles [[Image:LuigipartyDS.png|30px]]
 * Nice! That may be the solution.  I was just about to remind everyone that an official source (MP2) trumps our speculation, but then you found a solution.  17:29, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Super Mario Sunshine
I have to question the Bravery on Isle Delfino section for accuracy. In the official (hmm...) art, Yoshi is green. Yet, in reality, Yoshi only turns green when he is just about out of juice. Otherwise, depending on the fruit he swallows last, he is orange, pink or purple. I think THE Yoshi does not appear in SMSS, but instead an Isle Delfino species. Comments? 21:05, 13 December 2006 (EST)
 * Now looking at the top of the page, I still am not convinced. We don't know what color the Yoshi is inside the egg at first, and honestly, SoS, sometimes you take the guides and manuals a bit too seriously. Also, keep in mind that these Yoshis can't go in deep water, signifying a different species.

The main Yoshi can swim in water (MP and YI series) while the ones on Isle Delfino dissapate when contacting water. A major factor to consider when classifiying it as a Yoshi. Yet there is info contradicting it. Shadow Mario does appear with ONE Yoshi Egg and why is it that when that one yoshi egg is rescued, all Yoshi eggs are accesable. Then again after the Turbo Nozzle is found, all Turbo Nozzles appear. Confusing indeed. Im leaning towards species though.

Mabey they disapate because they can't swim and hold a plump plumber on there back, or they arn't real Yoshi's just Delfino clones

And I don't think any Yoshi for that matter can spray Yoshi Juice. I'm more and more conviced that this a sub-species of Isle Delfino. And hold on. Egg color doesnt neccesarily mean that its a Green Yoshi. (Ex:Yoshi Kid)

I'm using the most canonical sources available, mainly the Player's Guide and the Instruction Manual. They refer to Yoshi as Yoshi, and use images of a green Yoshi. Yoshi disappearing in water and reappearing in an egg is similar to Super Mario World. In SMW, Yoshi could fall off a cliff or lava, but if you return to where you can find an egg, Yoshi will reappear without a scratch on him. The same applies to Isle Delfino. Note that Yoshi does turn green after he hits the water, meaning the juice changed his color. Maybe the water affects Yoshi because of the juice in his body. Note also that no two Yoshis appear together, meaning we can't say that it isn't one Yoshi reforming in an egg just like in SMW. Plus, Yoshi has changed his color before when coming into contact with an item (SMW again). The fruit is changing his color and possibly his tolerance to water. If Nintendo wanted us to know that there were multiple Yoshis, they could have made a piece of art depiciting a rainbow of Yoshis as they have done in every Yoshi game. Also, in SMW 2: YI, Yoshi could not swim in water, he could float at the surface, showing that Yoshi has different reactions to water in different games. Other traits of Yoshi have also changed. For example, in SMW, Yoshi could destroy a Koopa Troopa outright with one stomp, while in SMW 2: YI, Yoshi could only knock the Koopa Troopa out of its shell. Does that mean they are a different sub-species of Yoshi, the strong stompers and the weak stompers? Of course not. The game mechanics of each game is different. Nintendo wanted to provide a challenge by making Yoshi dissolve in water. Several challenges force Mario to ride Yoshi across platforms surrounded by water to reach an island with yellow goop. There would be no challenge if Yoshi could just swim to the island. Yoshi's tolerance to water changes based on the play mechanics of the game. The juice meter also limits the amount of time Mario can ride the powerful Yoshi. Regardless, official sources say Yoshi, not Yoshis or a Yoshi, so I'm sticking to Yoshi. Guides and manuals are important to understanding Mario games as they provide background information usually not presented in the game itself (unless, of course, the game is an RPG). -- Son of Suns

I have a source that makes almost eveything you just said irrelevant. The Great Sunflower says that the Snooze-A-Koopas have scared all the Yoshi away. Replay Episode 4 in Pinna Park and you'll see.

Get an exact quote so we can analyze it. In-game material is more canonical than manuals or guides. If the quote confirms more than one Yoshi, we can remove the SMS section of the article. This may make sense, as after the Snooze-A-Koopas are defeated, the Yoshis reappear on Isle Delfino. Please get an exact quote though, as I do not have the game in my possession currently. -- Son of Suns

The wilted Great Sunflower says: Because of these fake eggs, the Yoshis of this island have fled...

Also note that she spells plural Yoshi as Yoshis not Yoshies.

Brrrr! Video game analyzation is a scary business. 3D

I can't remember the exact quote, but I have the game and after playing the game for a while, you will see the same Toad you normally see by the lighthouse. He will tell you that lot's of Yoshis used to live in Isle Delfino, but he wonders why they aren't there anymore.--PeteyPiranhaLover 18:32, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks for all the help. I'm glad we were able to check facts with canonical sources to make a more accurate article. When I play a Mario game, I try to keep a notebook nearby, just in case some random quote or piece of information will come in handy someday. The Sunflower quote was very helpful. I've removed all info about SMS in this article. We should also remember that the canonical spelling of multiple Yoshis is, in fact, Yoshis, not Yoshies. -- Son of Suns

Is there going to be an article about the Isle Delfino sub-species?


 * No. A lot of creatures were changed in Super Mario Sunshine, like the Bob-ombs, but they are still the same creatures. A section about the Yoshis on Isle Delfino could be added to the Yoshi (species) page. -- Son of Suns

I win! I knew the Yoshi in Sunshine wasn't THE Yoshi... Paper Jorge

No actually I win. :-)

How!? Paper Jorge

I found out about It You just asked I got proof Do the Mario

Or how about we both win?

I think that the Yoshi on Isle Delfino is not THE Yoshi. If Yoshi were to go to Isle Delfino, he'd probably go with Mario and the gang. The reason he changes color out of nowhere? The fruit grown on Isle Delfino has a chemical reaction with Yoshis' skin. The reason he dissolves in water, dissolves when too hungry, and resides in an egg? The Yoshi on Isle Delfino is probably a very subspecies.

Quote
What game is the quote from? -- Son of Suns

Probably Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, in that the characters that don't speak english have subtitles, the quote is probably one of the things Yoshi says. -- Sir Grodus

It's from the manual (of Toadstool Tour). Paper Jorge


 * Yoshi also says it in-game when you receive his letter when he challenges you (which happens in a mode I cannot remember). --YellowYoshi398

Soccer Look
If somebody has Super Mario Strikers could they please put in a picture of Yoshi in it.

Did it. -- Sir Grodus

Bold
Is Yoshi's name supposed to be bolded in each pic, or just the first one? -- Yoshi  626  18:43, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Nope, the only time you use Bold is to point out something important or highlight the first time the article's name is mentioned.

Super Mario World
Are you sure that Yoshi was rideable? It could just be a regular Green Yoshi. I do know that the THE Yoshi does appear though.


 * Yes. Yoshi pops out of an egg, states his name, and Mario hitches a ride. -- Son of Suns

Wat the? How can Yoshi be older than Mario? I thought this was the same Yoshi in SMW? And there are a bunch of Yoshi eggs, doesn't neccesarily mean its THE Yoshi's egg.


 * Why can't Yoshi be older than Mario? The Yoshi in SMW is the same Yoshi as the one in SMW 2: YI. There are a bunch of Yoshi eggs, but if you hit them while Mario is riding Yoshi, a 1-UP Mushroom appears, not another Yoshi. -- Son of Suns

No, I meant it the other way around :-> But how are there a bunch of Yoshi eggs around?

Yoshi eggs hold items. A few special Yoshi Eggs hold the Blue Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, and Red Yoshi. Also, seven Yoshi babies are trapped in seven eggs held by the Koopalings. Yoshi can emerge from any egg in the field that would otherwise turn into a 1-Up. It's simple play mechanics. It's like when Mario falls in lava, but then reemerges at the start of the level. When a Yoshi egg appears, and Mario is not riding Yoshi, Yoshi appears. The instruction manual states that Bowser and his cohorts trapped Yoshi in an egg, so presumably whenever Yoshi runs away he is resealed in an egg by the Koopas. -- Son of Suns

Yoshi's Story
The yoshi in YS was'nt THE YOSHI. So why is his information in this article? - User: Ultimatetoad


 * It says in the article that he isn't. However, like Donkey Kong, there are mulitple Green Yoshis simply called Yoshi that serve as courageous defenders of Yoshi's Island. The info is best suited here, just like all DK info (even if it's a "different" DK) should be in the DK article. -- Son of Suns
 * I know this is an old comment, but... shouldn't we be sure to mention that the article is about the TITLE, and not a character? Just poking around the Wiki it seems that the general impression is that the DK article and the Yoshi article are about a single character.  21:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Somethings missing.
While its a great article, one thing seems to be missing - The events that took place in Yoshi's Island DS. --Bentendo 13:51, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Well, that's because THE yoshi was born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS, so none of the game's events were about THE yoshi. MarioFan9999 18:29, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Super Yoshi
Is this in the game? I don't remember it at all.

It is when yoshi turns into a giant yoshi, by grabbing a RED mushroom. Isyou 20:28, 9 March 2007 (EST)

all the red mushroom are in Wario Blocks.

No. But acctually, there all in blocks, and yoshi cant destroy blocks... Isyou 20:30, 9 March 2007 (EST)

They are also in yellow blocks, I think. I've done it.

In Tall Tall Mountain it is possible by having Yoshi ground pound the big stake all the way down. 20:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)

There is another complex method. Use a cap to transform and break a block containing a Mushroom. After breaking it lose, immediately throw off the cap by taking damage and as Yoshi, collect the roaming mushroom.

Besides all that, I think this article should be deleted. We don't have an article on Metal Waluigi, Metal Peach, etc., do we? The name is also conjecture. All functions of Mushrooms should be listed under the article and the article of the character they effect. Heck, we don't even have an article on Mario and the redirect is in the right place. 20:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Yes. Isyou 20:37, 9 March 2007 (EST)

And also, I do think that the talk pages of articles should be deleted. You people always forget to delete those! Isyou 20:40, 9 March 2007 (EST)

?
Okay, what makes Yoshi an enemy? Someone putted on a category entry in the article...

FA dispute
I would like to make some notes on why this shouldn't be an FA...


 * Lead image is both large and blurry.
 * "Greatest hero" is subjective and opinionated, as is "invaluable".
 * Too many commas in the second sentence - could be changed to "and has saved his homeland several times."
 * On that note, I recall that it was many Yoshis, not just this one, who saved Yoshi's Island in all Yoshi games.
 * "Destructive conquerer" is a silly term and should be removed.
 * "Yoshi even" - it makes it seem like the article is praising him, not detailing his exploits.
 * "Thus changing the course of history" - this implies that Yoshi altered the course of history, when him saving Baby Mario and Baby Luigi was always a part of the series' history.
 * The headers - I don't care if it's creative, they have to be more neutral, and less of them.
 * On that note, don't capitalize something if it's not a proper noun and if it's not at the beginning of a sentence.
 * In the very first paragraph, I get the feeling that the article is an ad and is trying to sell me on Yoshi.

That's all for now, but I've only examined the first two paragraphs. - A Link to the Past 15:28, 13 May 2007 (EDT)


 * Please make the appropriate changes. -- Son of Suns
 * You talkin' to me? - A Link to the Past 16:25, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * Sure. Why not make the article better? -- Son of Suns
 * I'm far too busy. I'm assessing all of the other featured articles at the moment. - A Link to the Past 16:37, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I'll take a crack at it! 20:25, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
 * I've finished a few of A Link To The Past's recommended changes. The only things left are reducing the amount of headers and making the first paragraph more neutral. Those two have me stumped, so I think I'll defer to someone more experienced to finish what I couldn't. 20:42, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you mean about the intro, LTTP.... everything in that paragraph is true. He IS a hero, he DID save Baby Mario and Baby Luigi from Kamek, etc..... same with the headers. Could you be a wee bit more specific? - Ultimatetoad

Yoshi Artcile
I've been wondering...Perhaps maybe Yoshi Story comes first... It explains Yoshi's life as a Baby before SMW2. Angry Sun 10:38, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
 * But I'm not sure if the Green Yoshi in that game is THE Yoshi discussed here. 12:16, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

No, Baby Bowser mention Yoshi being Mario "pet" before you battle him. Gofer

Well now that may have been just a taunt. Angry Sun 13:13, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

It may be one, but it still prove that YS take place after SMW2, since SWM2 was the first meeting between Mario and Yoshi. Gofer

There's also the possibility that Kamek shows Baby Bowser the future. Angry Sun 11:13, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Then why would Baby Bowser have no idea what Yoshi is when they meet in YI? I find it hard to believe he'd go from calling Yoshi "Mario's pet" to "some kind of green donkey"- in the former, he obviously knows what a Yoshi is, whereas in the latter, he clearly has no clue. 08:25, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Also, Baby Bowser speak a much better english in YS that SMW2. Gofer

Precisely. It makes it a headache for Yoshi himself to not be in Yoshi's Story, but the evidence says what the evidence says. 18:50, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

To Geno...
Aw, come on... This point actually seems important. I consider the cartoon canon, so there has to be an explination...

--Ciao! 11:50, 20 July 2007 (EDT)


 * Again, a moot point. Everyone is different from games to cartoons.  Well, I guess they could be clones, or alien imposters...again, it's all too speculative. ♥♪!? 11:55, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Fine, fine, it just seems like your picking on me alot lately...

--Ciao! 11:59, 20 July 2007 (EDT)


 * Why would I pick on you? I am just trying to improve the quality of the wiki.  I have nothing against you.  I respect your efforts, but I ultimately believe somethings are not relevant to the articles.  Keep up the good work! ♥♪!? 12:07, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, I know, I just noticed that it's been you who's been deleting all my stuff, lol. Sorry, I know your just helping.

--Ciao! 12:17, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

PAIR Reviews
To both reviewers: Please keep in mind that the ratings are done in .5 steps, as stated on PAIR. You should fix your ratings and round them up or down. - 16:29, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

I missed that. I rounded up Plumber's scores if he doesn't mind. 16:33, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Mario Party Pic
One of the pics says it was from yoshi's story when it was from mario party! Can you show me this issue please? Wiki's getting bumpy...

This one I'ved got Yoshi's Story and Mario Party and this picture is on a special start screen for MP.
 * That's definatetly Mario Party. 20:28, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Yoshi Art Fart
http://www.yoshiart.com/ Direct your attention here, please. Look at all of the official yoshi art and etc. that this person has collected! I suggest if you want to improve this page you guys get to work. :P Don't forget to follow their policies though. Fixitup

Yoshi's back..
Ok, does anyone know what Yoshi TRUELY has on his back. Is it a shell or a saddle. I know that in the first appearance of yoshi, the "thing(saddle or shell)" was shown with stirrups attached to it. But now in later games, the "thing" is actualy shown increible round, and no saddle is round. That defeats he purpose. HELP!! Mariomadness8


 * I don't think it's ever been confirmed if it's a saddle or shell. Seeing as it can't be taken off (or so it seems), I would say more like a shell. A shell that stays on a Yoshi for the rest of their lives. BUT we really don't know. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
 * A shell would be something hard for Mario to sit on though. - 20:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
 * I remember it officially being called a saddle, never a shell. Shouldn't tell you which game, though.  20:31, 8 March 2008 (EST)


 * Stumpers it sounds like you don't want to tell us. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
 * The official German Club Nintendo mag (issue 4/1992) also calls it a saddle: "He's wearing jump boots and he has a saddle on his back. He's green and very hungry. He's a dinosaur and Mario's best friend. He's good, because he's YOSHI!!!" (translated from German.) 09:38, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. Artwork?
How come there's artwork in the image gallery labeled as "Super Mario Bros." artwork? That's nonsense. Yoshi was'nt invented until Super Mario World.

Thanks Time Q, but where did you originally get the artwork? If you tell me, I might be able to help you figure out what game it's really from.

Super Mario Bros. Deluxe. 21:00, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Was he in that game?
 * Yes, although I have forgotten exactly how. It was a precursor to the egg hunt in Super Mario Advance, if I remember.  There are many references to Yoshi in the extra features, I can tell you that, but I remember that the second picture on the old page was from the instruction manual... what exactly did it say?  19:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

In the gallery, it just said "Super Mario Bros." It could be put back in the gallery under Super Mario Bros. Deluxe... actually could have been put back in the gallery, but the picture is gone. Must have been deleted for being unused. It could be uploaded again. 17:13, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Yoshi Sentai
Uhh, whats that? Never heard of it...
 * What the heck? That's vandalism!
 * It wasent me, it was that PowerYoshiSentai person.
 * Not vandalism -- just fanon. But, if the same user keeps it up, it will become vandalism.  We'll see if an undon edit (courtesy of GreenKoopa) will be enough.  Let me know if this continues, okay?  21:28, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I know it wasn't you, Super-Yoshi. Uh, I thought randomly adding your own fanon to a wiki page is vandalism. Someone needs to tell him the rules around here. Well, looks like GreenKoopa already did. 11:35, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I suppose you're right, but I still don't like to slam down on new users as if they knew the rules, so I was assuming he didn't. 12:32, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay.
 * I DO like to slam down on newbs when they step outta line It looks like that PowerYoshiSentai dude left. All is at peace.GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?

Not the Yoshi
In SSBB, the Yoshi that appears in the game seems to be the Yoshi as a race, and not as the actual main Yoshi. This is supported by it's trophy descriptions as well as the fact he attacks Mario as if he had never met him before. There is really no evidence to support that it is Yoshi other than playability. Not to mention it's colors are changeable to that of the Yoshis playable in Yoshi story. Am I missing something here? - ForeverDaisy09

Yes, you're missing the fact that the characters in Super Smash Bros. are not the actual characters, but rather, Trophy replicas based on the original characters. The replicas sole meaning of existance is to fight. And, that was a bad assumption, anyway. From your point of view, Mario is a species (lol, BJAODN), because he fights Peach and Luigi as if he has never met them before, and because of all his color changes. It's the character (er... Trophy replica), not the species. ;)
 * Wow, I actually never fully understood that concept until now. Thanks a bunch DP!- ForeverDaisy09

no category?
why does it appears as a no category page in the wikimaintenance? --http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1526/tucayosz9.png 18:08, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I honestly have no idea... 09:14, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Ahh this is my favorite page

Trivia
I have noticed that the trivia section for this article is overly long. One of the requirements for being a FA is that there should be no improvement tags. So, I was thinking about moving the part about Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy to the cameos section to shorten the trivia section a little bit. Does anyone else think that is a good idea?
 * You go ahead and do that. You're right, the article shouldn't be featured with a template like that. Maybe you could try un-featuring it. But I think the process is not yet fully organized, so you could just merge the trivia into the article, I guess.
 * The whole un-featured article concept is just there so that people will be motivated to make the changes that White Knight suggested, not to actually un-feature an article. Just like with a featured article, an opposer (wants to unfeature) would be better to fix the problem (s)he sees, like White Knight wanted to, rather than oppose on the FA page and leave.  17:17, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Yoshi's Story Artowk
I believe the artwork that was previously in that section was from Mario Party 1. I've moved it to the gallery but we now need a new picture. Assuming that I'm right about the artwork, may I recommend this new one to replace it? To back up my claim about the artwork I moved to the gallery, you'll notice it had marks around it indicating that it previously had a background around it - specifically as though it came from the beach volleyball artwork from that game where Yoshi was in that exact pose. 10:26, 18 September 2008 (EDT)