User talk:LinkTheLefty/Archive 7

Toad Balloon
I changed the name back to capitalized form because it is a proper noun. -- Unshy Guy 21:12, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

Gravity wall
Hi, would you mind checking your Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guide and seeing if there's a frequently used name for the gravity-inducing walls? "Gravity field" was very common, but weren't there other names that were used that aren't overly descriptive?

P.S.: If you're wondering, the Super Mario Odyssey Prima guide isn't feasible enough, since the walls' only mention used an overly descriptive name. 15:49, April 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think I'll go with checking the Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide before I carry out the move. 18:49, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think it's best if you check for names of the articles you mentioned as well. I should point out that page 219 of the Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guide generically calls the Gravity Arrow "the switch", but that's the only mention I can find. I also left a message here that might be worth checking out as well. 19:27, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

Mini-Ninja
I'm not sure about using "Mini(-)Ninja" as the main name for sections of Ninji outside Hotel Mario's, since "Ninji" was an in-game and instruction book name for SMB2, which outranks a magazine name. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:30, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Koopas without a shell
This seems like the "Small vehicle with surfboard" situation to me, but anyways, I'd suggest "Koopas without shells" for plural, similar to how Shy Guys on Pogo Sticks are singularized to "Shy Guy on a Pogo Stick." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:15, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

"Wet Bones"
Seriously, this is like the case told to you for the Big Koopa Troopa/Turtle thing. Single-game PRIMA names don't trump in-game names, even for a single section. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:29, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * Wrong. PRIMA names do not trump prior in-game names, period. The rules aren't "If there's an alternate name from any source and no other source mentions them, use that." The other naming policy rules still apply. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:35, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * They're only "name changes" if they would have changed our article name at the time based on our current policy of that. Otherwise, it's just "PRIMA calling Crowbers 'Ravens,'" ie them being screwups, not a "name change." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:02, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * But with Fishbone/Fish Bone, the next English tranlation (and every single one afterwards) calls them as such, making "Wet Bones" seem even more like a screwup from someone who didn't know they existed prior than an attempt at a name change. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:17, April 6, 2019 (EDT)

More filenames and Prima names request
I have more question about filenames and Prima names. Also, forgot those... And finally, what are both Rammerheads internal filename? Do they share the same filename (in case they should stay merged), or both use different filenames (in case they can possibly be split). -- 13:33, April 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * You haven't been specific about the Spiny Hermit. You said that Spiny Hermit wasn't in the guide, but you didn't tell me wether it had generic mentions or not ever mentioned.
 * How are called those particular "Big Amps" in both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guides? I know that their internal filename is "BigBirikyu", but its Japanese name in New Super Mario Bros. U is "Deka Birikyu". Those Super Mario Galaxy Big Amps aren't called Big/Deka Birikyu, but rather "Biribiri Ball". This might imply that they were intended to be big variants of Amp, before being changed to generic electric balls.
 * What are the Platform Blocks called in the New Super Mario Bros. Nintendo Power guide? Also, what are both New Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 3D Land internal filenames, given that the former incarnation has the Stretch Block's Japanese name.
 * What does the Draglet as an internal filename? The article implies that it resembles Eeries.
 * What are the closest mentions of the Spiny Stretch Plant in the Prima guide?
 * Do both the New Super Mario Bros. Wii unused Big Buzzy Beetle and New Super Mario Bros. U internal filenames match?
 * What are both the normal Grrrol and the big Grrrol's internal filenames?
 * How are Mattermouths labelled in their internal filenames? There has been a proposal to stop calling them Dry Bones, and i'm interested if their internal filenames implies a relation to Dry Bones. -- 11:30, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * Do any Yoshi's Island DS guides mention the Sanbo Flower at any point?
 * Are Ocean Small Turtle mentioned in the Prima guide? If so, in which quote?
 * Are Tweesters mentioned in the Prima guide?
 * Apparently, Spoing and Sprangler were thought to be Scuttlebugs, or based of off them. Can you check out their internal filename, to see if they have a relation to Scuttlebug? -- 03:59, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
 * What's the Bowser Stunner's internal filename? Does it implies a relation to Amps? -- 03:59, April 23, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Monty Mania
I don't have the game either, and I'm not like the mole monarch or anything XD. On a technical level, Morty is derived from Indy, but as is Snailicorn from Bully, and there's been debate on that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:10, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

[This]
How come you de-capitalized “Retainer” 184.181.102.188 02:33, April 23, 2019 (EDT)

"Snaky Mom"
It's more due to it having "Snaky" instead of the more accurate "snake" on there. It's like the Crowber entry, which literally translates it to "Black dude," to say nothing of "Bowser's Galactic Crack" or "Children on Crack in Time." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:48, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes, and see, it makes it sound like some sort of bizarre adjective instead of a noun, which makes it seem an extremely baffling thing for an enemy to be called. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:14, April 24, 2019 (EDT)

Koopa Troopa's page
"Koopa" in reference to Troopas was, is, and always will be an attempt at shorthand. Given how often it goes back and forth between the two (with them generally being interchangeable in most games) I don't really think the "name priority per game" thing should be used there, as again, it's not a name change, it's a confusing shorthand form. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:15, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thing is "mushroom" and "star" are generic real-life terms anyway, so not necessarily intended as a shortening of "Super Mushroom" or "Super Star." "Koopa" in regards to Troopas is always a shortening, and it gets confusing with how many uses the word has anyways (not to mention leads some to the conclusion that Koopa Troopas are the most basic of all Koopas, which would often go into comparing apples and oranges). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:42, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * I know it's a common thing, but it's still an abridged form. Besides, they aren't calling Chargin' Chucks Troopas. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:34, April 29, 2019 (EDT)

Unchained Chomps
By who? It seems to just be yourself that suggests such. When a Chain Chomp breaks free from it's post (in any game style because it's not completely exclusive to SMB3) it still has a chain and is 100% identical to the shaken variant. The warped voice still says Chomp Chomp, but it also refers to Deep Cheeps and Blurps as "Cheep Cheep", so...

Also, it's not from the 3DS port, it's in the Wii U version. That is a source within the game referring to it as such. If it refers to a chomp that has broken free, then it refers to the shaken variant as well because they are one in the same.

"Treasure those moments where you can just sit and daydream, letting your mind wander as free as an Unchained Chomp" - Super Mario Maker tips notification

Black Dragon  21:56, April 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * I left the reply on my talk page as it's more ideal to keep the conversation in one place rather than to divide it up, FYI Black  Dragon  23:08, April 25, 2019 (EDT)

Darn this English translation conflation
I think I'm going about this the right way....? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:19, May 6, 2019 (EDT)

Am I, though? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:29, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * I dont think he's interested in replying. i actually told him about wiki but i probably should not have told some others about it, as i dont think most care about a "clone wiki" Results May Vary (talk) 00:05, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Well he'll know about the JP names better than I will. Besides, I still need to figure out the situation with the little Gohmas between OoT, OoS, and TP. And I'm ensuring that it won't be a "clone" of the other one. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:09, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah i didnt want it to be a clone wiki or something. i'm just using that phrase because i assume many already think that, since it's like the 4th-5th zelda wiki. i dont want to constantly send new messages on someones talk page and annoy them--i just saying him & others here probably think it's a clone wiki (because of the gamepedia zelda wiki). I do think Gohma (boss) is a possible article title for the Queen Gohma in OoT Results May Vary (talk) 00:15, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Okay, well i just didnt want to tell you about it if you werent interested (seeing as i told you about 1-2 weeks ago), and I thought i involuntarily dragged you into something. It's definitely ambitious to build up a zelda wiki from scratch (especially with alternatives), so there's also that. It's kind of a controversial decision on my end to start a "clone wiki", but something in me felt it had to be done Results May Vary (talk) 00:34, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thanks for letting me know--I didnt mean to sound condescending (if i came across that way). Like I said, Triforce Wiki is the hardest wiki task I've ever taken on, especially with like 3 other main wikis. It wouldnt surprise me if some didnt see the point or were uninterested Results May Vary (talk) 00:48, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

Oh right, and to think that's where I realized it was "Wall Master" for the first game and not "Wallmaster"....I remembered "Tartnuc" as well. Speaking of, Barcode Battler II actually did call it "Digtale," so that's probably a good idea. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:36, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

So, to wit, have you currently any idea on how Gohma Larva relates to Baby Gohma/Young Gohma in Japanese texts? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:56, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

I'm glad you guys have found a project to work together on, but this sort of business doesn't belong on the Mario Wiki. You can continue on the Triforce Wiki. 16:19, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * We can when LTL makes an account on there. Why do you think we're talking about it here? It's the only place I can get ahold of him. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:38, May 12, 2019 (EDT)


 * Regarding Triforce Wiki, I sometimes am not good at explaining, but here's my opinion: I think since ZD and Triforce both want to be independent wikis, it would be realistic to at least affiliate rather than shut them off completely (so then that can narrow it down to two main zelda wikis). However, I dont want Triforce Wiki to fall under ZD Wiki's manual of style, as me, you & other editors worry about the quality standards there. by integrating the content of both wikis, that would narrow it down to two wikis. since zd wiki doesnt tend to have the same kind of activity in the sense that triforce has, i think it would be better to have them be in charge of the walkthroughs and triforce in charge of the wiki aspect. I believe in a zelda wiki like triforce as much as you, doc, doomhiker & others. What's definite is them approaching Triforce is too soon, so that will have to wait. Basically I'm worried i made you suspicious of me, but hopefully my words make sense Results May Vary (talk) 19:41, July 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * Ah no worries, I was afraid of bringing this up because i didnt want people to misinterpret me as a sellout or something. I do have zelda dungeon linked in the sidebar, because i definitely like their walkthrough/content info, and i understand why they proposed the idea for a content/community merge. I messaged you here because i thought it was important to tell you, and you tend to be here more frequently. As for transparency, i'm definitely glad to be transparent. back when zelda wiki was sold to gamepedia, there was no transparency. GoldenChaos just sold it without telling the community, and I don't want history to repeat itself here. But yeah, this is definitely a better discussion for triforce -- i just wanted to urgently get the message across to you Results May Vary (talk) 23:29, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Strollin' Stu
Out of curiosity, do you have a scan of that guide that call the Strollin' Stus "Goombas? [No doubting the information, I'd just like to feature it on the wiki's twitter account lol] --Glowsquid (talk) 19:57, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Hell yeah. Thanks! --Glowsquid (talk) 14:13, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * I don't see why not. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:11, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

Electro Koopa color variation
Actually, they technically aren't. Blue is small, has two spikes, can come out of its shell, is fairly silent, and has pink hair. Red is large, has three spikes, makes squeaking noises, cannot leave its shell, and has a pair of pink horn-like protrusions on its head. They use different models, unlike actual color variations in the game (which have a single gray model with different shaders). See the Super Mario Sunshine section of The Models Resource here to see how actual color variations are handled. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:39, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * The green one literally is an enlarged red one with a different eye texture and color shader for the shell. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:44, May 13, 2019 (EDT)

EarthBound Beginnings
Even if Mother is the more well-known name, wouldn't it still make more sense to use the official English title? 02:03, May 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * WikiBound's way of doing things isn't really the same as ours, though. Case in point, splitting pages solely due to their English names, even when said English names are unofficial. As for EarthBound Beginnings not being used in-game, that's really just a side effect of Nintendo releasing the unaltered prototype ROM.


 * As for official sources always using the Japanese name, how many of those sources are post-EarthBound Beginnings? To my knowledge, the only post-localization source that mentions Beginnings is SSBU, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything more specific than "EarthBound series". 10:12, May 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Mother/EarthBound Beginnings is a good compromise, yeah. Unrelated, but I'm not sure why you linked this when reverting the Underchomp edit, since although it doesn't say EarthBound Beginnings anywhere, it also doesn't say Mother (except in Mother 3).


 * Also, I like your naming policy idea, though I think it'd be kinda confusing to prioritize SSB over everything else since you'd have weird, more literal translations like "New Year's Eve" (as opposed to "New Year's Eve Bomb") listed among the more commonly-used names from the Mother 3 fan translation. Also, how would you handle Tazmily Village being called (almost) a straight romanization of the Japanese name (Tazumili iirc) in Lucas's amiibo description? 10:49, May 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's a good point about the naming policy, however, I will point out that there's precedent for using new English names over old foreign ones (i.e. Nipper Dandelion).


 * As for the WikiBound stuff, I'm not sure if I'd agree that Pokey is outdated, seeing as how it's the only localization we got in an actual Mother game. Although the fan translation also uses it, the fan translation has a few inconsistencies caused by prioritizing Japanese names over existing localizations (i.e. Arachnid!!!/Arachnid!!!!). As for the New Year's Eve thing, although it's a more literal translation of the Japanese name, "New Year's Eve Bomb" is arguably the more well-known name, and it makes more sense. 12:57, May 14, 2019 (EDT)

Phantamanta
Unlike with Gooble, this has the added note of "what else could it refer to?" "Gooble" could be at least a couple entities, "Phantamanta" seems pretty specific. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:52, May 15, 2019 (EDT)

Internal filenames
Hi. Rather than you requesting that I look up filenames for you, would you mind if I told you how to do it yourself? --Hiccup (talk) 15:03, May 17, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Trample Switch
Sorry for responding so late. Here's what I could dig up from the Super Mario 3D World Prima eGuide:

P Switch ''Step on a P Switch to uncover secret Coins, reveal hidden trails, or move platforms into place. Most P Switch effects are temporary, so make sure you move quickly! Orange P Switches tend to come in pairs or more, and must all be activated at the same time.''

Trample Switch ''A larger variety of P Switch. Orange Trample Switches tend to come in pairs or more, and must all be activated at the same time.''

So yeah, not really that helpful at all... 16:57, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * The images are placed randomly with no cohesion, but it starts with the small P Switch, then the orange P Switch, then the larger blue P Switch. 13:50, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

YCW enemies
Also, do you think you could try looking up internal filenames for Yoshi's Crafted World enemies debuting in said game, for lack of a better way to look up their names? 16:59, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Aditionally, is there any Prima guide, and/or Shogakugan guide for it? -- 15:01, June 1, 2019 (EDT)

Eely-Mouth Edit
Hey, thanks for changing my edit on Eely-Mouth's page. I felt my writing on the tears part was a bit redundant. I like your way of putting it better. :D Kan Kan Mikan~ (talk) 05:48, June 2, 2019 (EDT)

Missing console
I can't seem to find information on the unreleased Nintendo super visor console anywhere on the super Mario wiki. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:57, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

Dark Tortoise English description
I defer you to the English name. Calling what has already been called a tortoise in the name a tortoise in the bio would be redundant. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:36, June 5, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Splitting Chibi Yoshis
While if the colored Yoshi articles still existed then yes, the pages would be merged. However, we now have no page to merge the info to, as merging the info to the Yoshi species article would be clunky, meaning that they have to have their own pages as they are characters with personalities. And we should not not create a page just because SMK is hard-to-find, as regardless there is available info that needs to be documented. Who knows, maybe in the future the magna will be scanned and published online? 18:34, June 6, 2019 (EDT)

Too far
What have you done? Some of those titles weren't archived anywhere else on the wiki. All of the pitches were sent to Nintendo by companies that made video games or had experience with video games. I worked my butt off trying to get all of those titles on the list. My hand was aching the first days I edited games onto the list because the list was missing so many. I corrected so many mistakes that I and other people made and I kept on looking and looking for all the released and unreleased games. I tried so hard to give all the source websites and people credit, I wanted to expand every Mario and donkey kong fan's knowledge of how many games there were in those franchises and I had to look at an entire list of home computers and other sites and had to go through so many pages and so many games to make sure the list had no missing titles. And I didn't want to look like a loser in front of the wiki and let down so many avid fans of these franchises and you undid so much work. I took hours out of 20 plus days trying to make sure the list became more accurate than Wikipedia. What a waste. Lord Falafel (talk) 00:42, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Citation
The cancelled super Mario bros port for the Apple IIGS has a good source: list of Apple IIGS games. It's in the unreleased games section Lord Falafel (talk) 15:00, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Another page
Should we make a page called list of unofficial media? Lord Falafel (talk) 15:32, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

RE on your latest update on list of unreleased media
Yes, please do make that sort of page and please link it to me. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:58, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Quick questions.
Hey! Could you look up at both Gobblegut and King Kaliente's internal filenames, along with their fiery and scorched variants respectively? There is an active talk page, about wether to split the scorched King Kaliente from King Kaliente, and a proposal failed. -- 07:18, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

"Killer Clown"
Just so you know something regarding this page move, the Japanese word "Bumawashi" roughly translates to "turn around" or "rotate" in English. 13:28, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Mel
Do the tinfoil Mels have a separate filename from the Mels? Or the tinfoil, and unable to be eaten is purely aethistic, and they're the same thing? -- 06:54, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

YCW Boss filenames
Just out of curiosity, what were the filenames for the bosses in Yoshi's Crafted World? 11:44, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Chikako
As it turns out, it's called both Chikako AND Glitter in the VC manual, as you can see here: --
 * Yeah, to be honest, there probably isn't a lot of differences. Only a few enemies got new localized names, like Goombo, Bullet Biff, Bombshell Koopa, and Piranha Plant. As far as I can tell, the manual descriptions for the enemies and characters as well as the story description were pulled from the original manual, with a few wording adjustments here and there, presumably.--
 * A bit late here, but it’s the North American version. Dunno if the European manual has anything different, but you never know knowing how things are sometimes localized differently there.--

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
Think that's good enough for the urban legends page? It's about a Mario song, after all.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:40, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'd still say it's related enough to the Mario franchise in this case, as it is wholly encompassed within the "Mario"-related section of that game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:16, June 26, 2019 (EDT)

Mini Pig Poppo
Pretty sure one color can only be defeated with clapping and one only with stomping, but that's not mentioned on the new page...last playthrough of it I watched the player was very consistent with that, at any rate. 🤷‍♀️ Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:21, June 27, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Hogwash
Not that I know of, but I don't see why a source is needed. I think it's cumbersome to have every instance of "Hogwash" changed to "Hogwash the Flying Pig", especially if it's plural, just because the shortened version may not be explicitly represented in any official material. 09:45, June 28, 2019 (EDT)

Yoshi egg
Okay, I absolutely do not get why there absolutely NEEDS to be manual/guide references for the name "Yoshi's Egg" when the name is also in-game. The in-game name from Super Mario Maker 2 will do just fine; while not explicitly covered by the policy, there's nonetheless no need to change it back at all. 12:07, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's so that people know where the name originated from. -- 12:08, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * That wasn't my point. 12:09, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's exactly right though - in nearly three decades of its history throughout Mario games, it only showed up in-game very recently. References aren't needed when when they are in-game, true - but when it is an entirely different game that was released much, much later, can we still say it isn't needed? Removing existing references has always been discouraged except in a few cases like an upcoming release having come out. From what I understand, manual and guide references aren't usually needed if the content is mentioned is a matching product, and in this case, Super Mario Maker 2 absolutely does not correspond to manuals from 1992 and 2003. We could probably be a little clearer on this in policy, but really, the removal of such information is potentially misleading. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:32, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

A quick question
Are Purple Bullet Bills named in guides other than the Prima? -- 12:29, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * If I recall correctly, they are referred to as "purple Bullet Bills" in other guides, but I'm not able to check right now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:32, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

Release dates
Hi, so while i'd love to add that picture as a source in the articles, I'm kind of afraid it would not look that good as a source image. it's from an ebay listing of an e3 1996 binder release detailing facts, company highlights, and other info Results May Vary (talk) 16:22, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah that's why i saved the listing photo to Wayback Machine, just in case the listing photos get removed Results May Vary (talk) 16:55, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * The listing is here. I havent taken a full look at it myself https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-64-SNES-NES-Virtual-Boy-Press-Kit-Store-Sign-Display-Binder-Folder/401799907991?hash=item5d8d240a97:g:hWoAAOSwOspdBeNc Results May Vary (talk) 17:06, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

Boo Buddy Swarm
It doesn't really matter whether or not the other Boo Buddies weren't named in that guide, that doesn't disqualify "Boo Buddy Swarm" from being a name. There was actually something suggesting that Kamikaze Koopa wasn't an actual name, since it was mentioned in the main text. Either way, Boo Buddy Swarm is a more name-like name than Boo Buddy (swarm). 07:19, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

Stamp file names
So what's the file name for the Boss Bass's one? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:19, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * I see no real reason Boss Bass couldn't be considered an early iteration of Big Cheep Cheep, particularly with the relation to Baby Cheeps. And we haven't seen a "Big Cheep Cheep" jumping in a platforming game since then, only stand-ins (Red Blurp, Spike Bass, Porcupuffer), and with Porcupuffer going the carnivore route in SMM2, I think this may be more clear-cut than we thought. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:46, August 30, 2019 (EDT)