Talk:Rosalina

If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com PJ
 * How does it come from there? 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT)


 * GoNintendo says what her name is. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!
 * She was first seen in a magazine (I think it was Famitsu) ad THAT had her name. GoNintendo just had an English translation. 23:38, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Saying she's resembles a White Mage seems too much of a stretch to me. MamaWaluigi 17:25, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Princess?
How do we really know she's a princess? Just because she has a crown?

They officially called her "Princess Rosetta" so she is a princess...

Yes thats true they did call her Princess Rosetta I saw it somewhere before

Oh. I saw like 3 videos and she called herslef "Rosetta". Sorry.

I've checked every single word in the game. she never ever calls herself PRINCESS Rosalina. The only words used to refer to her are Rosalina, and Mama. Never Princess. 18:25, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Just having a crown does not make her a princess. I get a crown in my Burger King Kids Meal. Does that make me a king? Well technically I am a king, but still. No it doesn't.King Boo

Does that mean we should move the page? --Trogga 11:35, 15 January 2008 (EST)

I am Zero! Well actually, a princess have big responsibilities, Peach does little in the mushroom kingdom, Daisy...... what does she do in sarasaland anyways? Rosalina in the other hand takes care of the whole freakin' universe, so I'll consider her a princess. Probably a year or two back there was a proposal to change the page Rosalina into Princess Rosalina, even though I made a good point and I consider her a princess, I would of oppose that proposal until she is called Princess Rosalina in future games. Zero signing out.

She may have been called a princess in early promotional or preview materials, but it seems to have been completely abandoned in the final game. I'd say it's about as relevant as saying she's related to Peach (as in her storyline in development). On a related note, why isn't the Bowser page "King Bowser?" LinkTheLefty 16:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why we should make Rosalina a Princess. The game refers to her as Mother of the Luma not Princess of the Luma.

Zero777 makes a good point and she is Princess Rosalina, I read it on the Prima Guide.--Smileymiley5001 17:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Im not sure if she is a princess.Ive seen pages saying "Princess Rosalina",but she doesent live in a castle but a cottage(accorrding to Super Mario Galaxy2).--Peanutbutter-girl 02:33, 12 March 2011 (EST)peanutbutter-girl

How do we know Daisy doesnt live in a cottage, or Princess Eclair. And where in SMG2 does it say she lives in a cottage?As of what I gathered, she lives on the Comet Observatory, with the Lumas. It could be she lived in a cottage.-- 10:32, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

She said that she is a princess, and nor did all the other characters. Just because she has a crown doesn't make her a "princess"...

Rosetta or Rosalina?
I've been reading the info, and all its contents refers to Rosetta, the original name of that princess (in other words, from Japan). Rosalina is the European version, so, it would have to move Rosalina to Rosetta again. The reason is that Europe will receive the game early than expected, only for the Super Smash Bros Brawl push back in the continent.

From what I've heard, AND from what I've seen by playing a copy of the full game at Gamestop, her US name is Rosalina. Bob Greenlake 20:52, 4 November 2007 (EST) Okay, I think this needs to be moved. The latest Nintendo Power issue confirmed that Rosalina is infact her US name. Bob Greenlake 21:00, 7 November 2007 (EST) It's only a few more days, lets wait till the game comes out to find out whether it is Rosetta or Rosalina. Mariofanical

I viewed one of her "photos" and on the top it said rosetta not rosalina, but on the rosalina page it said rosalina.--Peanutbutter-girl 02:38, 12 March 2011 (EST)peanutbutter-girl

That's because that's what she's called in Japan...

04:55, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Appearance/Trivia
Isn't this the first Mushroom Kingdom/Mario series human to have an eye color other than blue? (I think they're green, but I guess it's arguable.) If so, I want to put it in the trivia section, even though it is, ahem, trivial.

No. I put the picture on paint, enlarged it, placed a grid on it, and every single box of the grid that covers the eye has a color that is a shade of blue.

Concept Art?
Do we need the concept art here? Also, I heard from another user that Nintendo Power guides were discontinued, so this was false? - 06:01, 11 November 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, the concept art should go. :|

Rosalina
How did you find her past?!?! Where did you find the story of Princess Rosalina Princess Butterfly 06:25, 14 November 2007 (EST)

It's from some library in the comet observatory.

I just making sure it true (in her story book I'm in chapter 5.) Princess Butterfly 17:11, 15 November 2007 (EST)

I'm finished 19:06, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Delete

 * 1) King Boo- Nintendo power guides were discontinued. And it's just not really important.

Keep

 * 1) Nintendo has claimed Prima to be their official guidebook partners. Therefore all Prima content is official and can be kept. 22:14, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * 2) http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Per Knife. It's official art anyway, and it helps us find out more about Beta Rosalina.
 * 1) http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Per Knife. It's official art anyway, and it helps us find out more about Beta Rosalina.

Related to Peach
She was original planned to be related to Peach? Source please! HyperToad

I heard a few days ago from some page that peach and rosalina were really sisters or relatives,but nintendo changed their mind...User:pathfinderwii

Yup there were suppost to be sister but Nintendo decided to keep it as a beta element.

[|This page] suggests she is the daughter of Peach. User:YL/sig.

She in SSBB
I read in Rosalina's bio that she is going to be in SSBB. (NPC) Is this true? Source please. Princess Butterfly 11:12, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * We've had various claims, but no one was able to give a source. - 12:24, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * The closest one is GoNintendo, yet they included no image. Paper Jorge ( Talk�Contributions)�

everyone probably already knows this, but Rosalina never made the Final cut. Same situation w/ Darkrai. They were at whobby 2008, but never made the final cut as AT(Rosalina) or Pokeball(Darkrai). They each, however made the cut as regular trophies. I know. It sux. :( Manaphyboy14 23:25, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I heard Tails was gonna be an Assist Trophy too. Neox 14:44, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

darkrai in brawl? (daydreams over how cool that would be...) Lu-igi board 14:17, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I am Zero! Rosalina is not in brawl as a trophy, is she? If she is, show me proof. Zero signing out.
 * Trophy Descriptions (SSBB) lists all Brawl trophies. The word "Rosalina" can't be found anywhere on that page. So no. - 16:27, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii?
She really isn't in Mario Kart Wii, is she? I mean that sounds really stupid, also she is a heavy weight character? She is the only one who has something circling her, this sounds more like a rumor, is she actually confirmed by Nintendo?
 * She is in the game. The game is out in Japan and Europe, and these versions include Rosalina, with a Luma circling her. 'Nuff said. --Grandy02 12:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * She's not heavy weight, but large. They don't have weight, but size classes for the game. - 12:47, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * So she's possibly a middle.

...What? No, she is a heavy-weight. We all know how skinny she is, okay. She's still a heavy-weight though. Fixitup

Rosalina is considered a "large" character because she is much taller than the medium characters. It's the same with Waluigi, who was a "medium-weight" in double-dash - J-Yoshi64

Not Really a Quote
I don't think “Go! They're inside. Hurry!” is really a quote. A quote shows something about a character. This is just Rosalina saying something. It's not a real quote. Does anyone agree/disagree? 19:49, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

She said it. It's a quote. That's what a quote is. Go Luma :) Bowser's Luma

But even though the dialouge is right, it's considered to be a "generic quote" and wouldn't make sense to post it on her page. The ones we have on there right now are the best ones worth mentioning in relation to Rosalina so far. :) --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:33, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

???
How can she be in Mario Kart Wii? One hundred years OBIVISALLY haven't passed... Nintendofan146 21:14, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Then what happens in between 100 years on her turf? I'm not sure... but she made becuase it's a spin-off game.

Or maybe it has. lol

Height?
I read in her physcial description that she is considerably taller then Peach and Daisy are we sure about this? I have directly compared official Mario Kart Wii character art and Mario Galaxy screen shots and reward photos using photoshop opacity and direct measuring and she appears to be the same height or only a few centremeters taller at most.

The only art that seems to show proof of height difference is the Mario Kart Wii congratulations screens, where yes after a couple of tests I found she was obviously larger. Although only slightly. However this is still very little evidence.

I am not saying it should be removed but, perhaps a slight rewording is needed. The description seems to imply she is the same height as Waluigi. I find this difficult to believe as she IS the same height as him when he stands in his usual posture of hunched and knees bent but, if he stood up straight I doubt that Rosalina would be his height at all. We must remember Waluigi's true height is rarely shown as he is always partially crouching to bring him down to the other characters levels. I'm willing to admit she seems larger then the other girls but, not that tall?

Of course if anyone can bring forth any other evidence (on either side of my debate) I'd really be interested. So thoughts please?

I do suggest however that the description be changed to taller then the other Princesses but, the Waluigi height comparison removed. - Despot joil

...Done. :|

Er ... thanks ... sorry I tend to write essays because I'm trying to back up my ideas and I feel bad changing other people's edits without explaining ... :)Despot joil

Sometimes the best move is to edit it first. If someone reverts it, then you can bring it to the talk page to try and work something out. ;)

Identical articles
Rosalina and are exactly the same, but two different articles. Which one should be the main one?

...Wut? is a redirect to Rosalina... :|

Long Quote Not Good
I don't think articles should have quotes as long as that at the top. Then again, it's probably because Rosalina never shuts up. Oh, and is she a princess? WTF?!

A quote is a quote, regardless of how long it is. And she's not a princess.
 * Then why does the article call her a princess multiple times? --Grandy02 04:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Because someone was mistaken. :|

she is a princess
she is an oficial princess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * No Crystal lucario 06:41, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Per Crystal Lucario. She is NOT a princess.

She is never called in the game princess. She does is a leader of the Luma's, but it doesn't make you a princess. Luma's call her mama instead. However, Bowser is the king of the koopa's but his article name is just Bowser. And Daisy is only called a princess in Super Mario Land and after it never again (this is also said on the European mario site).
 * She wears a crown, that's the only thing we can say for sure. - 11:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * About Daisy, she is actually called a princess again multiple times, in her various character bios within the games. But I don't remember that Rosalina was called a princess in the two games she's in. --Grandy02 11:58, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

In most of the spinoff games, the princesses aren't called princesses, but just there normal names. You can't really get information from those games. Rosalina is never called a princess, but she is royal in some way. Lumas call her their mother. It isn't Princess Rosalina, but Mama Rosalina.

I wouldn't say she's not a princess. I'd rather say we don't know whether she is a princess. We could also point out that it is very likely that she is one. - 16:01, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

True. I understand what you mean. I noticed Peach didn't call herself a princess in Galaxy, but we all know she is one. It's the same with Rosalina (she called herself just Rosalina). But we don't know what for leader she is. Queen, princess or just mother.


 * Cobold, we can't say something is likely in an article unless there's a source attached, right? (because if there is no source, it's just speculation) I could swear that in the pre-release data for the game she was called a princess, though. If someone wants to root around on IGN.com I'm sure we could find it. 02:41, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

I thought that was a beta Elements. (I check ING.com)

I think she is a princess because on the storybook, pages with the hill and the tree shows a castle in the background, that's probably Rosalina's. 22:33, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

I found proof
I found some proof she is a pricess. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in Super Mario Galaxy. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page.

Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse.

Move the page?
 * If nothing else, we gotta make sure the infobox has the prefix. Good find. 13:51, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I didn't found more proof. But are we going to move the page?
 * I'd wait for more support. It'd be a pitty to go through deleting the Princess Rosalina redirect and moving this page just to have to revert all of that. If you don't get enough attention, bring it to the main page talk or proposals page (if you make a proposal be sure to mention your proof!) 01:42, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I think we shouldn't move the article until her Princess name starts to become more reocurring. Though we should mention somewhere in the article that she's a princess. 17:03, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Right - just like how King Bowser Koopa isn't as prominent as "Bowser," so we have the article named "Bowser." 23:26, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

More proof found in two packs of Mario Kart Wii trading cards. One pack had a holo Rosalina and the other had a plain one, but the text on the back was the same: "This Princess is loved by all Luma." It also calls her the first female heavyweight.

If Rosalina is a princess, then so is Samus Aran

No, she isn't.

Rosalina's Mother?
Is it worth giving Rosalina's mother a section in the article or giving her an article of her own? (even though it may only be a stub)? Just a thought I personally don't mind either way. Despot joil

Many Rosaline Questions
I need some help figuring this one out. What exactly is Rosalina's home planet?

And what do you make of the fact that Rosalina's mother looks almost (if not exactly) like Rosalina looks now?

Also, what planet are the Comet Observatory and the planetoids of the Gateway Galaxy hovering over? Is that Mushroom World? --

Yeah, it's the mushroom world. Because it says she visits her home planet every something years. Aluigi, The Luigi Legend! Whut Stuff? 21:40, 6 December 2008 (EST)


 * So the Gateway Galaxy, Good Egg Galaxy and Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor are all in orbit around Mushroom World then, right? -- P.S. What do y'all make of those big Starman outlines on the surface of the planet?

Question
Does anyone know if Rosalina is gonna be in any other games besides mario galaxy and mario kart wii? Someone wrote she would be in mario and sonic at the winter olimpics, but that had since been removed. I really need an answer now, I have asked on many websites and I have had no reply!!!! --Daaviiid 15:16, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Super Sluggers?
On Dry Bowser's Page, it states she was planned to be present. I can't find this anywhere else on this site, though.Nintendofan146 19:18, 17 May 2009 (EDT)


 * The information in question was really not needed on that page (I just removed it). Second, I believe when Rosalina was "introduced", Namco Bandai might have been in the latter part of development of Mario Super Sluggers, so there's a chance they were not aware of her existence. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 20:52, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

Profile Image
Why is her profile image so small? Daisy's and Peach's are a lot bigger. Is there any fixing this? Pyve 14:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
 * The thumbnails you mean? Because the pic itself is bigger than Daisy's. It's probably because that Rosalina's pic is broader than the other two. I looked at the editable version, and I see that Rosalina's on the Profile is 215 pixels, while Daisy's just 200, and Daisy's pic is still bigger, because of that Rosalina's pic is just broader than Daisy's. Hope that helps you.

Princess Peach is rosalina's mother?
I'm not sure if anyone know this already but i think something secret about Rosalina http://kinsmangames.com/2007/12/16/the-secret-of-princess-rosalina/ do you think it true.


 * The blog entry there is more of an assumption to me; it's his guy's own opinion regarding his conclusions. We aren't allowed to post probable conclusions here on the Wiki itself. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 00:44, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

If Peach was Rosalina's mother, she'd be dead. Plus, Rosalina is hundreds of years old. ~RosalinaIsMyTrueLove

Put it in the trivia section?

Super Mario Galaxy 2
I think it’s time to start including the characters affiliations with Super Mario Galaxy 2. As of now, her only known appearance in the second game takes place during Super Mario Galaxy 2’s ending cutscene. Are there possibly other appearances of the character during, say perhaps… hidden cutscenes? Doriguin 10:00, 23 May 2010 (EST)


 * Totally,Rosalina also appears in some levels as a holographic-looking shadow that takes over and controls mario/luigi while you watch her skillfully get to the finish,but this is optional,and doing so will give you a bronze star[warning you of this](which will bring you to the next planet, but it will not count as one of the 120 stars)

--Dagago 06:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No, thats the Cosmic Spirit.


 * Yeah, I think we should start that. I got the game today, and sometimes, Baby luma will receive a letter saying something like "My dear baby Luma, I know you're ok and i know you're helping someone [...] may the Stars shine down on you" or something like that, AND when you open the letter, we clearly hear Rosalina's voice. Plus there's a little star stamp on the letter. So Rosalina's sending letters to baby Luma.Sambiss

Actually, in the infobox, the "affiliation" is already there... "Luma" and "Comet Observatory". Luma refers to any type encountered in both Super Mario Galaxy installments, so I believe we've got this already accounted for. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:16, 23 May 2010 (EDT)


 * What do you mean? Sorry, I'm stupid XD Sambiss
 * Oh! I just spoiled myself, Rosalina also appears at the end of the last galaxy, Grandmaster Galaxy. She appears at the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJWYFCutL0 and here's a screenshot for Mario Wiki: http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/GrandmastergalaxyRosalina2.png . She will thanks the player for finding every stars of the game. Also, I noticed that in the cutscene before the last level(Boss of the sixth world, not the grandmaster one), a "comet" appeared in front of Bowser's Castle. That means she's doen't only appears in the ending...We should start writing that on her page. Sambiss Talk 15:25, 24 May 2010 (EST)


 * Her role is kinda similar to Yoshi when he appeared in Super Mario 64.


 * Well yeah, OH, I just found out, in the video posted earlier, that Rosalina, after collecting every stars, will join the others chatacters on the Starship Mario: http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/MOARRosalinainSMG2.png That's cool in a way :) Sambiss Talk 18:23, 25 May 2010 (EST)

Keep or not to keep?
Well, the page has undergone some serious changes recently, but it seems that the article has lost (some) things that were worth to be added in the article. I know it sounds silly, but this is to take a quick solution for this nonsense. let me know what do you think. alright?

A thing that I want to keep in this article is the concept art of rosalina (that sketch from the Prima Guide) but the user wants to turn into like a reference. In my opinion in regards to this matter, why remove it, and take it as reference if we have the image here and use in the article? even an image can explain more than thousand of words...

See the history for some other reasons...

Keep image in the article

 * 1) People are visual learners. You get more from a picture of Rosalina than word descriptions.
 * 2) I am Zero! Per BLOF. Zero signing out.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Nothing's wrong with the image.
 * 5) Nothing is wrong with the image. It is official artwork.
 * 1) Nothing is wrong with the image. It is official artwork.

Comments
It's conceptual artwork for starters, the only reason I decided to write a description about it is because not only was it placed randomly on the article before, hence the still ridiculous image description length which is now especially ridiculous since there's a whole section describing it. Not only that it's not like Rosalina has a long history and she definitely hasn't had real development in terms of her appearance and that's the best you can get. Much like the image comparing Peach and Daisy's heights, it doesn't need to be on the page because when you say something and then follow it up as a reference it's a given when the image being used as a "visual", which I'll touch on in the next sentence, isn't even the type of image commonly found right on the pages. The excuses people used that a visual is better than a written description is useless because the visual is still there, it's just used as a reference, which once I get my hands on the page again Rosalina won't have any of because the one she has now isn't even correctly referencing what the minor statement says about it.

So the points are, this is concept art of a design not even used for the character, concept art I will add that was only released in the official guide for the game meaning it's not even commercially released imagery, there is a large description of the art and the image is being used as a reference, this actually adds a reference to the page which she needs and still keeps the visual intact.

If you still actually think it's a good idea to keep this image on her page that's your problems because unless I go out of my way to vote as well as call up people I know would have some sense about this then I really don't care about how dumb you want to make Rosalina's page look because the only reason I edit her page is because it's easy to set it in the same style of the pages for characters who are actually important like the real Mario princesses. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 00:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe this may sound offensive, but I don't like loudmouthed guys, and overly long texts that gets me dizzy and doing so doesn't seem to be constructive for an article in this wiki. Since you don't want to discuss about that once for all, then I'll assume that this is not needed and you won't make changes for this from now.
 * Uh hello?! I addressed the issue throughly! You might not like me, but there's a difference between being annoying to someone because you have a certain opinion, and being blatantly offensive. And you are offensive. Is that what you wanted? You created a vote to go against my points, but when I thoroughly present them to you use the "too long didn't read" excuse?UhHuhAlrightDaisy 03:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Quote
Is it me or is the quote kinda long? How about we change it for something shorter, like the ones at the bottom of the article?
 * I am Zero! I think it should be changed to "May the Force stars be with you.". Zero signing out.
 * Does she actually say that? If she does we should totally change it to that. There's always something on this page overly long and unnecessary. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 03:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There's only one problem -- so far, from what I noticed, the quote on the page now is definitely meaningful in the case of Rosalina; one of the best I've seen in regards to her and her personality overall in the SMG game. So, I doubt it's really necessary to have that changed. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 05:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there's a quotes section for a reason, and it is pretty agreeable the current quote is over the limits of long. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 02:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am Zero! @UhHuhAlrightDaisy, It is actually "May the stars shine down on you." Zero signing out.


 * I think Zero's proposed phrase is OK, that's her catchphrase and it also tells how Rosalina is.

I'm with Zero. Her current quote is WAY too long and we should really change it to that. Superdaisygirl

Alien?
Looking at the Category:Aliens page, it states that any being from outside of the Mushroom World or Earth is considered an alien. Wouldn't that make Rosalina an alien? As far as I know, she's not from the Mushroom World nor Earth. Although she's pretty hot humanoid for an alien, I think she should be put in that category. Agree? 20:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am Zero! Great reason, I do agree. Zero signing out.
 * Then I will do it.

No, I'm pretty sure Rosalina is from the mushroom world, she just went up into space with a Luma. Anyone who doesn't believe me can read her storybook. - J-Yoshi64 (talk)
 * That is just speculation, it never said she was from the Mushroom world.
 * It's implied. From the final chapter: With more "family members" in tow than can be counted, it's said that the comet visits the girl's home planet once every hundred years, its proud white tail glittering in the sky. Furthermore, the article on the Comet Observatory states that it comes into orbit around the Mushroom World every 100 years, and that the people of the Mushroom Kingdom then hold a festival.

Still, I wouldn't say she's an alien. ~RosalinaIsMyTrueLove

She actually is from the Mushroom World. This is hinted in various parts of the game, which I have already wrote below, and also in her storybook. The Earth part is false enough, putting her in the alien category would confuse readers even more. User:YL/sig 02:24, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

NO! Nothing state that she's from the Mushroom World; hints mean nothing, this is just a bunch of speculation of her origins. She said she was from the "blue planet", there must be billions upon billions of planets in the universe that will be nicknamed the "blue planet". The logic of the Star Festival taking place every 100 years and it so happen that the comet observatory flies over Rosalina's home ever 100 years so that must be her homeplanet doesn't make sense. 1970 to 2070 is 100 years, 1975 to 2075 is ALSO 100 years. What I am saying is that Rosalina would most likely live on another "blue planet" that is VERY far away from the Mushroom World and the times in two different FAR away places are completely different. Let's say if both of those planets were real but began to hold life at different times; let's say the year 1 on the Mushroom World was on Earth years 2004 AD and the year 1 on the "blue planet" was on Earth years 1943 AD, so both of their schedules of from where to where a 100 years go can be completely different. So the alien category must stay on the Rosalina article.

Rosalina's Mother
This was taken from the List of Implied Characters talk page

During the scenes of Rosalina's story, there is an image of Rosalina's mother, a clear close up of her, but only showing part of her shoulders and mouth (and there is other of her with her daughter Rosie silhouetted), so I think it's possible to make an article of her, since she is seen in the game and not only mentioned as it is thought, or also redirect the link to Rosalina's Storybook.

I think the page would be extremely small and it would stay that way. I highly doubt we'll see any more mention of her. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 02:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Is this part necessary?
"If she is usually traveling through the universe at near light speed then, according to the theory of special relativity, much less time would pass for her than would pass back on the Mushroom World due to time dilation. In this case she may in fact still be a young woman."

Sure, science is good and all, but these theories should be kept to the real world and I don't think we should really be applying this to the Marioverse. 14:55, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Uhhhh... no. And Mario, through all these years, didn't age ;).  02:22, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

Not from Earth
The introduction claims that Rosalina's home is a blue planet. Nothing wrong there. Yet then it continues to say that Earth is also known by that name, giving the false impression that she is from Earth. I don't think thats likely, when you consider the fact that she talks about visiting her home every hundred years, and that the star festival is held and star bits at exactly the same date!? Personally I believe the Earth part should be deleted. YL 02:22, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

She could still be from Earth. It might just take her 100 years to go completely around the universe in the Comet Observatory. Therefore, she could be visiting Earth in a hundred years, and then pass by the Mushroom World every hundred years. Plus, in her story, she says she wants to take a nap in her chamber every 100 years and she never goes down to the Mushroom would to do so in Super Mario Galaxy. ~Why Bother

Goddess?
With her being able to live for such a long time and he incredible powers, do you think it's possible Rosalina is a goddess? ~ Why Bother
 * No. The only characters that really come close to being divine or gods/goddesses in the opinions of characters such as Mario are the Star Spirits. At best, she'd fit the Deist concept, as there is no interaction between her and the area she oversees, but this is all just speculation.
 * What's a 'Deist'? Why Bother
 * They're of the belief that God created everything but does not intervene in human affairs.
 * So...what does that have to do with Rosalina? Why Bother
 * She does not interact with any characters on any planet or in any galaxy other than Mario/Luigi, the Lumas, and anybody who happens to be with Mario/Luigi. Anyway, you're the one who brought up this whole goddess thing.
 * Okay. Topic resolved. Not really a goddess, more of a deist. Well, I'll talk to you all later. Why Bother
 * You misunderstand. I said that if Rosalina were a goddess, she would most likely fit the Deist concept (a deity that does not interfere in human affairs), not that she is a Deist.
 * Gotcha. (Wow, I sure struck up a conversation).

Leave Category:Aliens in the Article
REMOVE CATEGORY 8-14

According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.

And here's the point I'll like to point out why Rosalina is most likely NOT from the Mushroom World with this quote of mine:

''"NO! Nothing state that she's from the Mushroom World; hints mean nothing, this is just a bunch of speculation of her origins. She said she was from the "blue planet", there must be billions upon billions of planets in the universe that will be nicknamed the "blue planet". The logic of the Star Festival taking place every 100 years and it so happen that the comet observatory flies over Rosalina's home ever 100 years so that must be her homeplanet doesn't make sense. 1970 to 2070 is 100 years, 1975 to 2075 is ALSO 100 years. What I am saying is that Rosalina would most likely live on another "blue planet" that is VERY far away from the Mushroom World and the times in two different FAR away places are completely different. Let's say if both of those planets were real but began to hold life at different times; let's say the year 1 on the Mushroom World was on Earth years 2004 AD and the year 1 on the "blue planet" was on Earth years 1943 AD, so both of their schedules of from where to where a 100 years go can be completely different. So the alien category must stay on the Rosalina article."''

Here another point I'll like to make by countering this one:

"The introduction claims that Rosalina's home is a blue planet. Nothing wrong there. Yet then it continues to say that Earth is also known by that name, giving the false impression that she is from Earth. I don't think thats likely, when you consider the fact that she talks about visiting her home every hundred years, and that the star festival is held at exactly the same date!? Personally I believe the Earth part should be deleted."

No, the game never claims that the Star Festival is held on the same day, of the same week, of the same month when Rosalina visits her homeplanet and there's an unknown number of comets that can fly through that region of space visible from the Mushroom World.

Here's an example: Ok, let's say the very first Star Festival is held right now and now let's say The Comet Observatory left its homeplanet onto its voyage across the universe 3 years from now. That is a more likelihood then the theory that there on the exact same date.

'''Look it, call it speculation whatever you want, but my is more logical and more likely then the opposing theory. The opposing theory is basically placing their money on a 1 in a 100 chance that they are the same sequence year, 1 in a roughly 363 to 367 chance that it is even in the same day, 1 in a 1 to ∞ that the comet flying over the Mushroom World during the Star Festival is the Comet Observatory, 1 in a millions upon millions chance that the "Blue Planet" is the Mushroom World, a small chance that she lived in the Mushroom World (or Earth), and if including the exact date of her return to home and the Star Festival taking place at the same time (e.i. day, week, month) is a 1 in a billions upon billions chance.'''

Note: If sometime in the future, Rosalina (or in-game info or out-game) actually claims she is from the Mushroom World then the category can be removed.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User|Zero777}} Deadline: June 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support
The proposal gave excellent reasons why this is the most likely scenario. Sure it's not official, but neither is any of the opposing stuff. The only difference is that this makes more sense and is more likely based on what has been officially confirmed.
 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Humans can be aliens in the mario universe,as long as theyre from outer space.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) She hovers infront of Mario in the ending of SMG how can she be human?
 * 5) - Wow guys you've been wasting your time, indeed Rosalina is from the Mushroom World, or have you ever seen the epilogue from SMG? she is staring at it. That comet passes by the Mushroom World at the time of the Star Festival plus the fact of the epilogue, is not a coincidence, Nintendo wouldn't be so ambiguous. Anyway, I support this.
 * 6) TL; Per proposal.
 * 7) Rosalina is not from Earth. She lives in the blue house on the first planet of the Gateway Galaxy, which is probably described as a blue planet because it is similar to earth. The Mushroom World/Earth is in the Grand Finale Galaxy, which is halfway across the universe from the Gateway Galaxy. The comet above the Mushroom World during the Star Festival actually is the Comet Observatory, as the Star Festival is actually some time before Rosalina's centennial homecoming, and she flies across the universe and sees all of the galaxies before arriving at the Gateway Galaxy. I hope this cleared everything up.
 * 8) I was the one who added this category to this page, if I'm not mistaken. By definition, Rosalina is an alien as she is not from Earth. Although I don't tend to enjoy grouping blonde girls with green three-eyed creatures, technically I think we have to by definition.

Oppose

 * 1) You has no official souce categories are for official things only also im not sure if this important enough for a talk page proposal
 * 2) We still can't be sure if she's from the Mushroom World or not. Since it's still ambiguous, we should just remove the category.
 * 3) I don't find the logic sound enough to be applicable to the Mario universe. If Rosalina's home planet isn't the Mushroom World, why is no other planet mentioned? There is no evidence to support the existence of other planets notable enough to be called "blue planets." Besides, the statistics have no basis in fact and are based on your bias toward the idea that Rosalina IS from the Mushroom World; there is nothing to suggest that the Star Festival is celebrated in any other location. We don't know either way, but I'm not going to support a theory that is not corroborated by Nintendo (at least the theory of her living in the Mushroom World at one point has some sort of evidence). Give me evidence to support your claims instead of made-up statistics and heavily biased quotations and commentary, and I will change my mind.
 * 4) No comment
 * 5) Per all, and second it doesn't matter if she's from the Mushroom Kingdom or another world in relation to the Mario series. If she made her appearance in an installment for the Mario series itself, it counts and the "Aliens" category should not be placed on the article itself.
 * 6) - This is a moot point. The basis of your entire proposal is "there is no proof she is from the mushroom kingdom". I would like to counter that with "there is no proof she isn't from the mushroom kingdom". Actually, there's no proof (almost) any characters are from the mushroom kingdom. Bowser's birth details are unknown, he doesn't resemble any other species in the mushroom kingdom. Why not classify him as an alien? Or Wario? He might be an alien too! Why don't we classify these guys as aliens? Because, we assume that they come from the mushroom kingdom unless explicitly stated otherwise.
 * 7) There are no official sources confirming this, so I think it's better that we take off the "alien" tag, to remove speculation. Rosalina's ancestors could be in Mushroom Kingdom, heck. We base this wiki on facts and sources, not on assumptions.
 * 8) I want to oppose your theory. Because, for starters, how many blue planets do we know? Not counting the ones from different universes, else we would have Pokémon and Sonic in the Aliens category. In our galaxy, the only true blue planet is Earth (of course it's also green, but it's nicknamed the blue planet). Nintendo probably meant a pure blue planet, and not a cyan one or a light blue one, like Uranus and Neptune are. That pure blue color, is of course because of the water. Humankind can't live without water, so Rosalina was born on a planet containing lots of water. That could either be in our galaxy or in the one containing the Mushroom World. Maybe Nintendo want to hint that Rosalina came from the Mushroom World or Earth. You should remember that kids also play SMG (it's rated E for Everyone), who don't know very much about the extraterrestrial theories, and know that the blue planet is simply Earth.
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) Per Marioguy's analogy.
 * 11) Per all. Earth is the only planet on which Humans are found, and it is linked to the Mushroom World through warp pipes. Rosalina seems pretty human to me....not an alien.
 * 12) Per everyone! Rosalina is a human and Mercedes Rose played the voice of her so, she's a human character!
 * 13) - It's heavily implied that she's from the Mushroom World, and the beta storyline mentioned in the Prima guide said she was related to Peach (in which case, she'd have to be from the same planet), which is the closest we get to any official word on the matter. In light of all that, asserting that she's not from the Mushroom World is the more speculative course of action, which goes agaisnt the aims of the wiki.
 * 14) Per my brother.

Comments
@Gooba's Shoe15: I bet you didn't even read my claims and logics and what makes you think that Rosalina being an alien is or is not official?

you gave no official source and you don't work for Nintendo also this is a fictional franchise where a plumber can die over and over again logic has no meaning
 * Well you don't give official source that Rosalina lived in the Mushroom World and what does me working for Nintendo has to do with anything?
 * its an expression since your not an official source also the mention of a blue planet is worth more than all your logic in my eyes since she takes the apperance of a human and no one said shes from the mushroom world
 * In fact you your self say she is most likely not from earth or the Mushroom World which means your proposal is based on speculation not official sources
 * My speculation, or more like logic, makes more sense then her actually living or once lived in the Mushroom World, look at the statistics. Just because she is human what makes you believe she doesn't live on another planet?
 * She takes on the apperance of a human and mentions being from a blue planet and usually those kind of references are a wink wink to the players also your logic has no meaning here in a world where eating a mushroom makes you grow bigger and where evil fire breathing turtles try to conquer the land of the mushroom people who are ruled by humans, and even if your logic does mean anything it does not prove she is an alien just cause something is unlikely does not mean it isnt true and you have offered up no actual evidence that proves she is not human
 * In that case, from your view of logic, the Mario Wiki shouldn't exist, it has just a bunch of fake info on redundant characters, items, locations, etc. You still haven't disproved anything since I already countered the arguments you made with the proposal already.
 * No my argument is that using real world science and applying it to a video game is pointless since there is no way to prove that our laws of nature apply in that world and ive countered you at every point categories are for official pages only and your only argument is based on speculation not confirmed sources and even your argument admits that it is based on pure speculation not official sources
 * And your's is based off official sources and it's not speculation? You're asking for official sources but there is no official source so you can't bring up the argument that there's need to be official sources if the only one is Nintendo and there is no sources so it's best to use logical speculation until there is official sources.
 * No it's not it's better to use whats implied why would it be better to use logic that casts doubt on itself by admiting that A: She could still be a human and by B: being unprovable with in the relm of the Mushroom world you've speculated the length of a Mushroom World year you have no proof there is at least some evidence that she is a human such as her Human body and reference to a blue planet which can be seen as earth and in most cases is in fact earth.
 * also her age can easily be explained by the fact that she is a powerful magician and simply gave herself eternal life or by the fact that we simply don't

know how the Humans in the Mushroom world age which although speculation is based on the established facts and truths that have been presented in the games
 * But what's implied isn't [good] enough.

Ok guys, the point is: We don't know if she is a human or an alien so we should not add any of both categories

This may be mere speculation, but there's no way that Rosalina can be an alien. It's probable that she was a Mushroom World resident at one point, but again we don't really know that for sure. 17:20, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

It doesn't say she is an alien in any MKW or SMG official stuff -- 17:46, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
 * It doesn't even touch the topic at all, that is not a good valid point. And when does it say she isn't?
 * Still this isn't a fan site.
 * You didn't answer my question that I am right.

@ThirdMarioBro: Where are getting your information? I've never heard of anything that says she lives on that planet. Even if she does, there is nothing to suggest that she always has. Therefore, there is also nothing to suggest that is not a former resident of the Mushroom World.

She tells you this information when you speak to her in the Gateway Galaxy Purple Coins mission. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 21:36, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Does she say she lives in the house or that she is from the Galaxy cause theres a huge difference

She says she lives in the galaxy in the Purple Coins mission, but the storybook in the Library says she lives in "the little blue house on the hill" or something like that.

Also, about Rosalina being a former resident of the Mushroom World, the storybook also says Rosalina lived in the blue house on the Gateway Galaxy planet when she was a child, and even mentions what life was like there. Therefore, Rosalina probably only lived there for her whole life, and did not ever live in the Mushroom World. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 21:56, 20 May 2011 (EDT) Probably and did are two different things the word Probably makes it speculation just like my theroies on her being human are and categories should be for official confirmed things

@Why Bother: Your vote is invalid. An alien is basically a foreigner, people from other countries can be referred to as an alien. Alien doesn't mean a big headed, short, green person from another planet, heck if Rosalina was or is human and came from another planet she'll still be an alien.

@all opposers who use the argument of "'blue planet' is Earth": There are hundreds, thousands, even millions of planets with a blue hue from far away that can be nicknamed the "blue planet". The "blue planet" is nothing more then just a nickname.
 * The problem with this is that you're using speculation to justify your proposal. Just because there can be a multitude of planets that could be nicknamed the "blue planet," within the Marioverse does not mean that there are such planets in existence. Besides, we don't know if the Marioverse is as expansive as the real world universe. For all we know, it is no larger than what we see in the two Galaxy games. @ThirdMarioBro: The problem I have with your comment is the word probably. I know that there is little about Rosalina's original home that we know, but that is no reason for speculation to be used in place of cold, hard facts. What is in the Storybook may or may not be an account of Rosalina's entire life; we have no way of knowing, so it makes no sense to classify her as an alien. If a person is born in the United States and moves to, say, France, and comes back every ten years, that person is not an "alien," so how is this situation different?

@Third Mario Bro. she says shes from a blue plante which means she can't be from the Gateway Galaxy

@Birdo beauties: Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World.

Zero you should take a look at your own proposal you know where it states this wikis definiton of Alien which is: creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.
 * What's wrong with it, robots are in the category, so it doesn't only apply with creatures. Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature.

@Zero: That's right hehe i'm just gonna deleted that part ^^;.
 * @All supporters: I found some of the arguments used here very poorly thought-out and the ones that were thought-out are not properly based. So I prepared a nice organized list of oppositions.


 * Zero: Your arguments are all based on the fact that nothing confirms she is from the Mushroom Kingdom. None of your arguments are explaining why you believe she is not.
 * Yoshiyoshiyoshi: That's not the point, the point is that there's no proof she is from outer space.
 * Bop1996: This proposal gave excellent reasons why this is a possible scenario. It does not place the Mushroom Kingdom above any other planet; all it does it manipulate the facts. He showed you the odds that the Mushroom Kingdom is the planet in question, the ironic part is, every other planet in the universe has those same odds.
 * Phoenix: How dare you not put reasons! :P
 * Yoshidude99: Um...wut? She could be human in many different ways. Humans have hardly ever been "normal" in the Mario series.
 * Byllant: You may want to re-read the proposal, it doesn't look like you know what you're supporting (please take that as nicely as possible).
 * SWFlash: asdf >_>
 * ThirdMarioBro: There's no proof she lives in that house, that's speculation.

None of us can choose what kind of being Rosalina is, because she belongs to Nintendo. This proposal is just a waste of time. =/ We can add to the article it is not known if she is a human.

@MG1: My reasoning is that my speculation has a higher chance of being true, look at the statistics. Also I think a few of the characters you mentioned have said they were from the Mushroom Kingdom or some distant land, but we have a higher source they came from the Mushroom World because because we just assume they are because their first appearance were on the Mushroom World.

And I have to say this, for now, to every other respective opposer: "Blue Planet" can be any blue-colored planet and get the image of a little green man out of your mind when you think alien.
 * Zero, the statistics prove nothing. Statistics lie, especially when their validity isn't corroborated by an official source, and if you have a source, don't say NASA or anything similar, as the organization of this universe is not identical to that of the Marioverse. Also, since when do we rely on unsourced speculation such as yours for anything? Saying that your speculation has a higher chance of being true doesn't mean that it is, only that you think it is, and that is not a sound enough basis upon which to base keeping the category on the article. Concerning aliens, read the last sentence of my last comment. I'm not thinking of little green men.

@Zero whats wrong with what the fact that your wrong with this wikis definiton of alien which is and i copied and pasted this directly: Aliens are creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth so your whole shes an alien cause she does not live in the Mushroom world argument does not fly according to the Wikis defeniton
 * You know I already answered that in a previous one of your's.
 * Yeah you mentioned something about how robots are in it and im still unsure how that answers the fact that answered my statement of how you said that the aliens category also counted for things born in the Mushroom world but not living there cause
 * Wow, that is very offensive and it makes you seem lazy. Your basically saying "Oh I don't give a crap on what you are saying and I'm going to skim right through your claim without getting it or fully understanding it." Since you are to lazy to look and read the sentence, here, I'll highlight it for you princess: "Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature."


 * @Arend: "You should remember that kids also play SMG (it's rated E for Everyone), who don't know very much about the extraterrestrial theories, and know that the blue planet is simply Earth." I understand your argument, but respectfully, you can't really use kids as a deciding factor. I mean, if we're talking about as broad a range of kids' ages as I think we're talking about, then I'm sure they're much more preoccupied with just playing the game as opposed to focusing on minute analytical details like Rosalina's origins, or the color of the planet from which she possibly originated. They're probably not even aware of those things to begin with, as I'm almost certain the younger you are, the less you focus on the specific facets of the game's backstory plotline, and the more you focus on just having fun playing the game, so anything that kids don't need to know to do so they probably won't pay that much attention to in the first place. 06:10, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I think the category itself should be scrapped. It seems way too ambiguous and we have no proof about the majority of these characters. Mario could be considered an alien himself, coming from Earth.-- 10:51, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

This seems to have gotten a little out of hand for something that there really isn't enough information about now anyway. Leave the category for now.

@Goomba's Shoe15 She says in the game that she lives there and it is "her home planet". @MG1 As I said, the storybook says that she lives in the blue house, and even puts it in Rosalina's quotes.

I don't even understand why we're arguing about this; there's enough information in the game itself to prove that Rosalina is an alien. You can easily find information if you pay close attention to the whole story, and not just mash the button when an NPC talks to you. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 15:15, 21 May 2011 (EDT)


 * What line says that cause i never saw that in the story nor is it mentioned in the storybooks article

and @Zero i was calling you out on this statment you made @Birdo beauties: Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World. which you know for a fact is incorrect and your response to me calling you out on it was
 * What's wrong with it, robots are in the category, so it doesn't only apply with creatures. Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature. which does not answer the question of why you told Birdo Beauties that because Rosalina no longer lives in the Mushroom world that makes her an alien cause you know thats not correct
 * Use quotes next time >_>. Anyways, carefully read it again: "Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World."

To quote a 'friend' of mine, "The wiki defines aliens as 'creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth'. If she's from the Mushroom World, then she can't be an alien." ~Why Bother (also, I fixed up the grammar for you)

I would like to point out that the alien category isnt in the article i removed it shortly before he created this proposal
 * Well, we'll just put it back if the proposal passes.

@Zero heres the defintion one more time Aliens are creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth. she is not an alien if she is from the Mushroom world


 * Again, you use the word if, and how would you know she is from the Mushroom World?
 * The fact of the matter is that we don't know either way, and if this proposal passes, all that will be accomplished is the supplanting of one form of speculation for another. It makes more sense to assume that Rosalina, while not currently a resident of Mushroom World, may have been at some point, just as we assume Wario is, for example.
 * Wouldn't it be easier just to not mention whether or not she's a Mushroom World citizen? --Reversinator 08:45, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Not really. It never specifically says she's a Mushroom World citizen, so that could also lead to controversy.
 * I think we Should remove both the Human and Alien categories and mention in the trivia that her current species is unknown
 * I don't think that's a good idea because that will look obscure and leave a large void of information there since she is human.

But this is why this is all just so ridiculous in the first place; I think one thing we all seem to have forgotton is that aside from her appearances in both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 (in which she always appears in space, with the exception of the story from the former), she does also appear in Mario Kart Wii. This game features locations that include Delfino Square and Delfino Pier, both of which are part of Isle Delfino, which we can confirm is part of the Mushroom World. So, at this point in time in this game, we know for a fact that she has, at least at some point in her history, physically set foot on Mushroom Planet. The question now is, what do we do with this information? I guarantee that if SMG had come out after MKW, we would not even be having this conversation in the first place, because MKW would have been her first appearance, and she would have been assumed to be a resident of Mushroom World just like every other character in the game. However, I cannot change the chronology of the games just to prove my point. What I can do is cook everyone some food for thought. We have proof that Rosalina has spent the majority of her time in the Mario series in space, and we know that she has actually been to the Mushroom World in a Mario game. Personally, I believe she's an alien, but does it make her any less of an alien if she travels to the Mushroom World for a game and then goes back to space? I'll leave that up to the rest of you to decide, but my viewpoint remains the same. 13:03, 22 May 2011 (EDT)


 * It doesnt matter if she spent the majority of time in space the question is is she native to space and that question as never been answered by an official source therefore i think it makes more sense to remove the alien and Human category and mention that as of now no official source as mentioned her whether or not shes from the mushroom world/ earth, or if shes from space

The deadline was wrong: this was proposed on Friday, May 20, so it ends two weeks later on Friday, June 3 at 23:59 GMT (24:00 GMT is not allowed as the deadline time anymore). - 15:48, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

@yoshiyoshiyoshi I fail to see the logic in your arguement @Bowser's luma You say that since she's not from Earth, she's an alien. But technically, that means that barely any character isn't an alien. Most characters aren't from Earth, they're from the Mushroom World. Also, when's this supposed to be over? I'm getting tired of. ~Why Bother
 * This ends on June 3rd, provided one side leads by a margin of at least three votes. Otherwise, it will be extended for a week, and the process is continued until a deadline is reached, and one side leads by a margin of at least three votes.

@WhyBother: My bad, by "Earth" I meant the Mushroom World. I'm so used to living on Earth that I guess I forgot the series doesn't take place there. }}