Talk:Game Over

How... redundant. Hyper Toad  @
 * If you're talking about the images, I agree. We don't need 3 pictures of a screen saying "Game Over", especially when one is from an hacked game. --Blitzwing 12:22, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * We should keep the World 9 one, though, as it was a special one.

i was lead here from my own page! --Olivia0121 12:02, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Ya know, not all Game Over music is Mocking. If you've played a smash bros. game you probalby know how scary the game over is (Well maybe only for me, but still I wet myself when I game over in Smash Bros.); Thanks for your Patience. User:Mecha-Boss Unit
 * I agree. While some of the games related to the Mario series may have had a Game Over screen using music in a "mocking" tone, I've never really received it as such. It mostly just felt "too bad", though it could really go either way. Redstar 21:40, 7 December 2009 (EST)

"List of characters who get a game over?" Oo
Can't only the player possibly get a Game Over in a game? Isn't this just a list of bosses that can be defeated, and isn't it rather obvious most of them can? I'm confused by this article.--vellidragon 21:26, 29 December 2009 (EST)

Well, like article says, a game over seems to be the equivelent of death. It is listing the different bosses who seemed to have survived many different "game overs".

But the article also says that bosses reappear in another game though they are defeated (seemingly killed) in the previous game(s). 125.162.251.172

Whuh?
"Aside from the DinoRiders in the Super Mario World episode Born to Ride, Rockman falled into a lava pit and dies, while Duke and Lulu crashed into a wall of blocks and die before the song "Time to Get Wild" ends. The DinoRiders killed in the episode, yet returned in the end of the episode. King Koopa, Big Mouth and Kootie Pie Koopa killed in Send in the Clown, King Koopa (That his Koopa Clown Car became sad called Bowser) falled in the castle by Mario, Kootie Pie crounched and Big Mouth does a Tee-Tering, jet killed by Mario. "

Will somebody please tell me what this is supposed to mean and why it's on the page? It's littered with the worst forms of bad grammar, and doesn't seem to have anything to do with the page. Unless someone can justify it's existence on Game Over, it should be removed due to it not being on-topic with the rest of the page. I would also like to ask that you do NOT delete this, because I am legitimately asking why this is on the page. This is a perfectly fine thing to ask on a talk page, despite what others tell me.-1337doom
 * You have a point. I am not sure what that has to do with game overs. Plus, yes, it has VERY bad grammar. Why was that even put there in the first place? 16:07, 21 March 2011 (EDT)

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"In Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2, the "Too Bad!" changes into a red Game Over sign."

Will somebody please tell me what this is supposed to mean and why it's on the page? It's littered with the worst forms of bad grammar, and doesn't seem to have anything to do with the page. Unless someone can justify it's existence on Game Over, it should be removed due to it not being on-topic with the rest of the page. I would also like to ask that you do NOT delete this, because I am legitimately asking why this is on the page. This is a perfectly fine thing to ask on a talk page, despite what others tell me.-1337doom
 * You have a point. I am not sure what that has to do with game overs. Plus, yes, it has VERY bad grammar. Why was that even put there in the first place? 23:49, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

Add many more pictures!
Be quick to add Game Over pictures from more games and the Super Mario anime film and add them to other galleries! -- 21:37, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

I'm on it! --Scottsc (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2014 (EST)

Redirect
Shouldn't death redirect here?RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 11:57, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
 * I think it's a pretty unnecessary redirect. 18:38, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

Good Night...
Should we add the "Good Night" from both Luigi's Mansion games in there, i mean it only appears in 2 of the many games made


 * The original Luigi's Mansion "Good Night" is there, so why isn't there a Luigi's Mansion 2: Dark Moon "Good Night" or "GAME OVER"?



I'm On It! --Scottsc (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2014 (EST)

SMS, SMG, SMG2, WWDIY, SPM and Dream Team
How about adding the Game Overs from Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy, Mario Galaxy 2, WarioWare D.I.Y., Super Paper Mario and even Mario and Luigi: Dream Team? :) - Oussama


 * "As referenced throughout Super Paper Mario, a Game Over for Mario series characters is their equivalent of death, as extra lives make mere "death" a mild hiccup." That means i can't think if an game over screen for Super Paper Mario would be added. 125.162.251.172

What happened?
hi. I playedsuper mario bros. U over to the fourth level, and died (game over). The game said "All toad houses are back",  but it only allowed me level 1!!! I saved muitiply times, two times every level complete. Why did this happen. Wintermelon43 (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2014 (EST)


 * I just don't know what happened to you and your game. Sorry but I can't help you because of that. :( 18:44, 20 September 2014 (EDT)

In the game there are Quick Saves and no normal saves. Quick Saves are only usable once.

Game Overs from other media
We should probably add Game Overs from other Mario media onto the gallery, including Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! and the Nintendo Adventure Books. Good idea, right? 13:56, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I think that would sort of be breaking the fourth wall more than an actual game over. 14:41, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Uh...maybe. Even though it should be breaking the fourth wall we could still add them? 17:21, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Why isn't anyone answering? D: 08:15, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I agree. YoshiCookie (talk) 11:16, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
 * I think that's a good idea!:::::

New Game Overs
Can't we just add Game Overs from newly-released games into the gallery? Like Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U? Mario Party: Island Tour? Yoshi's New Island? Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze? I mean, these games are already just announced and released, so why don't they have their Game Over gallery entries? (P.S. How about we just add Game Overs from other media like I said a few months ago?) 13:46, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
 * WHY ISN'T ANYONE REPLYING? 13:44, 12 July 2015 (EDT)
 * Just add them yourself. There's no reason why they're not up besides the fact that no one's gotten around to it yet: no point discussing it here. - 14:02, 12 July 2015 (EDT)

The page is incomplete!
We need game over screens from Super Mario Maker, and Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U. Radfox35  18:59, 9 November 2015 (EST)

Mario Kart 8
Would someone be able to add the Game Over screen for Mario Kart 8?
 * I don't think there is one, unless you're talking about less than 6th in a grand prix. 17:23, 10 December 2015 (EST)
 * That's what he's talking about. It's easy to get that, but I'm not gonna do it :P 17:25, 10 December 2015 (EST)
 * Oh ok. I'm a good player so I don't see it at all and I don't want to do something that would mess up my great record tbh 17:26, 10 December 2015 (EST)

Wario Land
Can you do the game over screen for Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3?

Missing Games
is in the gallery section of Game Over. What games are missing? Let's make a list (below) and then when a game has been added, we strikethrough. -- 15:34, 24 April 2016 (EDT) I added some games that are missing. -- 13:24, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

Missing Games
The following is an example. Overwrite it with released games.
 * Paper Mario: Color Splash
 * Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
 * Several WarioWare games

Verification through video clips
Earlier, I proposed linking every game over described on this article to a corresponding video record of the said game over; you can check that too. I will now formally rise the same proposal.

I believe informational, descriptive and especially unofficial texts do not sound entirely convincing without a visual representation of what's being described. In the case of this article, while it's true we have screenshots for almost every game over sequence under the Mario coverage, they do not frame every aspect of the the game over screens. Since many game over sequences feature animation and specific soundtrack, I think proper verification for what is written in the article should be made with videos. These should be, of course, linked through references. I already placed such references to some Donkey Kong game over screens, just so you can see what I'm talking about.

Let me give you an example of game over sequence that is described on the wiki and needed a full-fledged visual verification for what is written. In the DKC2 game over sequence, there is the phrase "GAME OVER" falling lightly from above, then reaching the bottom. Diddy and Dixie Kong fade in above the text, then the screen's hue turns to red. As you can see, this game over involves a series of events, from the falling text to the screen turning red (am I right, people who played the game?). But I think a video to accompany all this would convince someone who hasn't played the game nor has encountered its game over screen that it's exactly how it is. I think even the game over screens from the Mario games, which are simplistic and could be framed by an image easily, should get the same treatment too - at the very least they feature music, which is properly sensed by audition, not by reading articles.

In other words, each piece of information describing a certain event in the Mario games should be accompanied by a video clip (preferrably from YouTube) in order to add... hmmm... more sensation to the said event than when simply reading about it. I think I made my point and I would like to see your own views on this proposal.

Some may think I propose something that is too minor to be faced as a problem, but I am afraid there are people who might deem using video references as unneeded. I just want to hear if it's true.

Proposer: Deadline: January 12, 2017, at 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) per proposal

Comments
My proposal could be expanded to the whole wiki. I sometimes feel like stories, actions, and gameplay described do not sound convincing enough since their textual presentations are unofficial and do not virtually link to anything close to the games themselves. But that's another discussion. --

Couldn't you just do this yourself? Also, if you can't, you could just ask someone, right? --Green Mario (talk) 11:51, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * Of course I could do that stuff myself, but I don't want someone to see and simply remove what I have done and say it's unneeded for the page. A similar thing happened when I added a "[sic]" note to a poorly punctuated but otherwise official name, here; someone deleted the note claiming it's useless, but I restored it eventually. I want to avoid conflicts like this even for the smallest of things. I thought I could best do this through a proposal. I request not to be blamed for it. --

It's not that they're useless, but I'm against imposing such a standard that forces people to accompany their edits with a video that's not always necessary. I don't think the person reverting your edit, saying it's "unneeded", is in the right either, since videos function the same way as an image: they illustrate the subject in ways text cannot. But forcing editors to provide a video isn't something I'd like to see as policy. 19:59, 16 January 2017 (EST)
 * Ah, ok. I see what I did wrong. And if a video is equivalent to an image in that respect, then I think we have it all settled. I just read the source citation policy and it implies we can use videos to confirm something. It was just old inattentive me who decided to make a proposal, sorry! --

Media
Should  media be linked to this article as well? I uploaded File:SMW Game Over.oga for Super Mario World for a different purpose but could be repurposed. -- 20:48, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm all for having a media page of Game Over tracks. 21:46, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
 * Let's see what others have to say. -- 23:17, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
 * That would be cool, but the media doesn't run on my computer. -YoshiFlutterJump (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
 * See Help:Media, the sections about browser support and external help. Personally, I use K-Lite Codec Pack (mega) over VLC Media Player. -- 18:00, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

Reorganize the images in this page's gallery
As organized as these images are, I'd still like to see some improvements. First, organizing the Game Over screen images by game system type is beginning to get unprofessional, since Nintendo now publishes games on mobile devices, and considering that I just uploaded File:SMR Game Over.png. Second, it's not a very conventional way of searching for images, and I myself have problems finding a particular image with the current setup. Third, one user has pointed out (via maintenance tag) that Game Overs aren't necessarily restricted to games, and also appears in books and films such as Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!. Therefore, I propose that we change the organization to something different:
 * Option 1: Chronological by year. This would divide the Game Over screens by the year that the game in question was first released, and suborder each Game Over screen by the respective game's earliest release date. (i.e. Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle&apos;s image would come before Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions&apos;s image) This is my suggested course of action.
 * Option 2: Alphabetical. This would organize all Game Over screens in alphabetical order by game. The sections would read "A", "B", "C", "D", and so on, and so forth. I strongly suggest against doing this.
 * Option 3: Chronological by series. This is about the same as Option 1, except the chronology would be limited to one series. I heavily suggest against this as well, due to the ambiguity this may produce for games such as Super Mario Maker or Super Mario Run.
 * Option 4: Suggest another course of action. If you vote in this section, please state in your vote any other course of action you want to suggest and I will try to add it in. I have no other comment here.
 * Option 5: Do nothing. This keeps the current organization: by system and system type. For the reasons stated above, I also suggest against this.

This is just a rundown, so of course it's subject to change, but that's pretty much what I've got for you. Oh, and lastly, if you're wondering whether we should split the gallery from the parent page instead, I'm going to talk about that in a proposal immediately after this one. So...shall we begin?

Proposer: Deadline: November 2, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Option 1

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) List of games has a list of games by date. Also, most galleries are this way.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) - Per proposal.
 * Eh, why not? Putting these images in chronological order by the year they appeared in is pretty much like organizing the images by chronological order by the game system. Per all. This is my second option.
 * 1) Why not?
 * 2) Per all.

Option 2

 * 1) - I'm quite fond of having lists done in alphabetical order, as that makes things easier for myself. So, voting purely out of fondness.

Option 3

 * 1) List of games has a list of games by genre. Also, most articles are done this way, but not galleries (option 1)
 * 2) I personally think this is probably the best way to do it actually, as the rest of the article is organised by series, and I think it would be a bit more understandable for people who don't know the release years of games, I know that I would struggle with this option as I barely know any release years, but series organisation is simpler. I'm sure the ambiguity could be easily sorted out- We'd need a section for other one off games, so we could just whack them in there, or just class them as the series they're closest too- you can address that issue if this option wins, but no need to worry unless that happens.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) other pages are organized this way. Why not this one?
 * 6) - Per all.
 * 7) - Per all.
 * 8) - Chronology by series. Basically, what I mean by this, is split into several sub-sections of the categories by series. Then, go by the chronology of their releases.

Option 4

 * 1) I think we have a couple ideas that would do. How about we organize these images by the genre or type of game they are? That sounds eccentric, but brilliant. This is my third option.

Option 5

 * 1) Per games listed in the order in this page.
 * 2) As my first option, I think that our current system, pun intended, is the best method of organizing these fun little guys.

Comments
The three options I chosen am I able to be fine with. Obviously (at least for me), there are known advantages and disadvantages to each. 18:48, 19 October 2017 (EDT) @Lcrossmk8 isn't your suggestion the same as option 3? -- R alts eye prata med mej 10:38, 24 October 2017 (EDT) Also I'm all for a consistent way of organized them and not as it is now. -- R alts eye prata med mej 10:38, 24 October 2017 (EDT)

Paper Mario: The Origami King
I feel this section could use a little but of trimming down since the amount of non-battle game overs in this game is a bit too high, and I feel most of these are only listed because they're don't happen in battle or from a Paper Macho enemy. So what I'm suggesting is removing stuff that happens in specific things like Eddy River (which somebody just added), the western duel and the airship, and basically limit it to things you really would not expect to get a game over in, such as the Snifit face guessing. That's kind of how it is for the Thousand-Year Door and Super Paper Mario sections.
 * "Places where you wouldn't expect a game over" is pretty subjective. I don't see why we should trim it, it seems like the logic here is just "there's too much information so we should cover less/none of it" which I will always oppose. -- 13:30, January 10, 2021 (EST)