MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/20



Bring back Weekly Polls
DON'T BRING BACK 4-8

We used 0to have weekly polls, and they are very good. We still have this page. But instead of doing only one poll, we will be doing 3 polls. The reason why is because let's say the poll is "What is the easiest stage in Platformer games", and you only own Spinoffs and RPGs, then you can't answer the poll, while if you have 3, then you can at least answer one.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User|KS3}} Voting start: 25 February 2010, 23:00 Deadline: 4 March 2010, 23:00

Bring them back

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per Proposal, I mean, They were funny :D.
 * 3) I am Zero! Although I don't know the reason why it was removed in the first place I will LOVE it if comes back, that what made the SMW fun that time and it will most likely still be fun if this pass (you notice I said love with all capitals, as most people know Zero NEVER used all capitals except for that one). Zero signing out.
 * 4) Per proposal.

Don't bring them back

 * 1) - Sorry, but no. Your proposal doesnt propose anything to make them better, they will fall into chaos again. They were rmeoved for a reason.
 * Per Tucayo.
 * 1) Per Tucayo.
 * 2) - Per Tucayo, you can't force someone to vote on a certain poll, people will vote on any poll they want. The more rules there are, the more they will get broken is my frame of mind - I'm afraid this rule falls right under that category.
 * 3) - Per Tucayo.
 * 4) - I see that you are still partly new. I think you want to see the main page as it was before all that got voted out, yet for good reasoning. The Main Page is better without this since it can be troublesome for updating. Per all.
 * 5) - Per Tuck. It was chaotic and the poll system on the main page looked the portal so informal.
 * 6) - Per Tucko.

Comments
It got removed because it was too bustling with activity ONLY with that Poll page. I may be fond of the Poll of the Day, but we don't get it our way all the time.

Maybe if the whole poll process was completely revamped, it would be easier to maintain. But I still think it should stay off the wiki for the time being. --
 * Per Stooby. WHats with all the "bring back" proposals... I think people are getting nostalgic

I am Zero! If this proposal does pass I think all the previous polls should be deleted and the page should start new and fresh. Zero signing out.

I like the poll, but 3 of them at once is way too much. – }}

Deciding Birdo's Sex
CALL FEMALE 0-1-12 We had 2 Proposals about deciding Birdo's Sex (here's one). This is an international wiki, not an American Wiki. In Japan, people call Birdo male, and in the US, people call Birdo female. I propose that we call Birdo he. Don't forget that multiple birdos appeared in crowds and in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! In the Birdo (species) article, it says that it is common for male birdos to wear ties on top of their head. In Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga, Birdo attempts to be a girl, therefore Birdo is a man. And also per the old reasons.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User|KS3}} Voting start: 26 February 2010, 23:00 Deadline: 5 March 2010, 23:00

Call Birdo it because of the old proposal

 * 1) If we are having such an argument decideng the sex, just call it it! it makes sense!

Just Call Birdo Female

 * 1) - She is a female, if "he" wants to be so, then we call Birdo a female. And no need to remove or move this proposal to the BJAODN, it is valid, I think.
 * 2) Per Tucayo.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) - Per Tucayo and comment below.
 * 5) - No, Birdo always has been female in mmy opinion, for example if she is "male", why she acts like the girlfriend of Yoshi? Why she uses a ribbon? Why in Super Mario Advance she has feminine voice?, simply the fact that the SMB2 manual, among others called she male; we cannot say that is male, What present game call she male?, also per BabyLuigiOnFire in the comments.
 * 6) Ow come on!There's a lot of proofs which makes her female the ribbon,her acting in M&L:SSS,and like MATEOELBACAN said:her acting as Yoshi's girlfriend.
 * 7) Oh please. Per all. Oh yeah, aren't the option titles a little biased?
 * 8) Per all; this case REALLY needs to get closed here, right now.
 * 9) ...-_-' Per all.
 * 10) - Let me think about it... A regular man with a ribbon, a ring, a bow and a pink body?
 * 11) – Per all.
 * 12) - Per my opinion in the old Proposal.
 * 13) - Again? Per everyone.
 * 14) Birdo looks like a girl, acts a lot like a girl, dresses like a girl... wait, she IS a girl. And I'd hate to be called an "it" if people didn't know what my gender is. Nintendo would never make controversial stuff on purpose. The only quality of a man Birdo has is sounding like one.
 * 15) Read my comment below.

Comments
Another issue dealing with Birdo's gender? Look, Birdo wants to be treated as a female, as she states in her description, so we better call her a "she". Besides, we're dealing with a single Birdo, Birdo, the character who appears as playable in spin-offs. Besides, does she look ANYTHING like a man? She wears a large, red ribbon, has some lipstick, has feminine team names, wears rings, etc? Besides, Nintendo wouldn't make transsexual characters anyway, despite their craziness. They always make genders obvious. Why should Birdo be any different?
 * This is Birdo's Sex, not gender.
 * Sex and Gender are the same thing.
 * No, not necessarily.
 * It's not my our fault Nintendo didn't clear things up. The Japanese should start calling Birdo she if this should come up again.

On the other proposal we agreed that calling Birdo an it was discriminatory.

This looks like BJAODN material to me.

"This is an international wiki, not an American Wiki."

No, it's an English wiki (English as in the language, not the country). In all the English games, Birdo is a female. Infact, I think Japan is the only country that calls her a he.

What, this proposal again? :\ As I stated the last time this came up, calling a male-to-female transgender person "he" just because they were born male is offensive and nobody profits from it if we start doing that anyway. The gender issue is already being addressed in the article, I don't think there's any need to emphasise it like that. This has nothing to do with the internationality of the Wiki, but simply with what makes sense and what doesn't and what can be taken as offensive and what won't.--vellidragon 10:17, 26 February 2010 (EST)

I don't see the point in this proposal. Proposals made on this issue have turned out in favor of calling Birdo a female consistently in recent times. 17:16, 26 February 2010 (EST)
 * Can we move this to BJAODN now? I mean, do we really need a whole proposal just for the gender of a character?
 * Um...this is the third one of that type...
 * @Super Mario Bros.: Doesn't this page overlook the no-sig policy??? Your comment says

Ugh, I wonder how did I make this proposal, but I regret it. Can someone help me move it to the BJAODN???
 * This is not BJAODN material. You can remove it if you want to.

If they call her "He" in japan,then we just add that in her gender in the infobox:(In japan:Male,other region female

I am Zero! I think there should be a fourth section for refering Birdo as it or she. Birdo is a species and not all of them are female, but to the point: I think if it refers to Birdo as Yoshi's girlfriend or the game makes it a 100% clear it's female then refer to it as "she", but if it refers to a random Birdo then refer to it as "it", if users aren't sure then they could have a discussion on the talk page to see if Birdo is she or it in that section of the article. I don't think they ever refer to Birdo as male but if it does in the future then refer to it as "he". Zero signing out.

Let me just say this. Birdo, specifically Catherine, is a male. But, she is a male in the role of a female. Drag queen, transgender, either way. In Japan Birdo is widely accepted as being male. And Yoshi is widely accepted as being male as well. However, Birdo is referred to as female in America for multiple reasons. Avoiding conservative beliefs, and going with what is simply proper. Regardless of whether Birdo were actually male or not doesn't matter, because she is appearing and acting as a female, therefore that is what you call her. Transgender people, or even a person in drag, is CORRECTLY referred to by what they appear to be, and in this case it is correct to refer to her casually as she and even a female. ForeverDaisy09 21:44, 4 March 2010 (EST)

Y'know, someone on an old proposal made the point that the only English-language game that refers to Birdo as male took place in a dream. :\
 * What, Super Mario Bros. 2 (The American one)???

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Remove Construction template after a certain amount of time
DELETED Well, the long title says it all. Currently, there are 145 articles with the template on them. As you all know, construction templates are used to signify an article in poor shape, but is being worked on. But for how long do we need these templates, especially if nobody's working on them? Let me use Donkey Kong 64 as an example. The last edit that was made at expanding the article was on December 8, 2009. Since nearly three months have passed since that date, and nobody's working on it, don't you think this template should be removed? So, with my proposal, I want to have the construction template removed after a week.*

* Number up for debate.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User|Reversinator}} Voting start: March 5, 2010, 4:12 Deadline: March 12, 2010, 23:59

Remove template

 * 1) Per proposal.

Keep template

 * 1) – Sorry, but this seems like a pretty pointless proposal.
 * 2) A construction template is a construction template. We need construction templates to improve this wiki. All that you just need to do is notify the person who is working on adding info and ask them if they are still working. and Per Ralphfan.
 * 3) If there's an article that's incomplete and crappy, then a template is needed. How would someone react if they see the Luigi's Mansion (which I tend to finish soon) article and notice its waful shape. Per all.

Comments
We can't vote here if you don't propose a specific amount of time after which the templates will get removed. Of course we can discuss it, but you should at least propose one.
 * All right. I'd say a week, since that seems more than enough time to fix up an article.

If we remove it, it will look like it is finished, and it isn't.
 * Yes, we should at least replace it with a rewrite tag.

I have another suggestion considering the time. The template offers the possibility to enter a date, or a duration. How about we make it mandatory to set a deadline, a date when the construction status expires. After a construction template reaches that date, it can be removed. It would work, but it's also a little strict.

Another, less strict approach: We just use common sense and decide on a case to case basis. If there is a construction template on a page, and the person who placed it there hasn't edited the article for months, it is safe to assume the person stopped working, so the template can be removed. If there are some relatively fresh edits, the template stays. To help people with checking this, the person who places said template on a page should write something like "Construction template" into the edit summary, so you can instantly see who placed it on the article in the history.-
 * I like Edo's idea. And agree with Time Q, we should replace it with.

The proposal seems to irrelevant to me. You can actually remove the template if you see there has no progress in the article long enough. Also, the template has an option to set a date - or a deadline, but not many users tend to use... }}