User talk:MeritC/Archive 5

Hi there, everyone, and welcome to my talk page on the Super Mario Wiki! Feel free to drop me a line if you want to chat.

Of course, I definitely welcome all "dedicated" fans of the Mario series' gals, because I'm one of those folks that are determined to support them full force! However, it's best that we do it on this talk page. It would be much appreciated.

Just one major rule: NO SPAM COMMENTS ON ANY OF MY TALK PAGES! Any stuff of that nature will be taken off upon discovery.

Take care, everyone! -- M. C.

UPDATE (2/13/2009): If any of you Super Mario Wiki visitors have a forum account and you have an issue that is beyond discussing with me via this or any other of my talk pages here on the main site, then you can see about sending me a private message. That's all for now; I'll see you around on the Mario Wiki itself. Take care!

Talk Page Notice
Just had to archive my previous talk page; and I'm trying to snag the time to see about adding a banner on here to make this look better. Watch for it soon!

Mario Kart Wii!
You're welcome!; I'm just representing Birdo, Rosalina and Baby Peach :P

Well i don't think that i represent someone already....(even i don't know what's all that about) well i was just stopping by to say: HI NICE TO MEET YOU!!! Castle Toad 16:59, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

By the way, what's your favorite kart? :D

Oh... i see....so that means i represent Rosalina? i mean, i always choose her on the Races!!! Castle Toad 20:32, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Well i agree! i was really happy when i unlocked her!!! She's my favorite character overall!!! mmm by the way have you wi-fi? Castle Toad 20:39, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

I see =P, what do you think about Pauline? Is she one of the Mario Gals? 'o'

hmmm well yes it's sad, but well if you sometime can get to/want a race say it!!! &#123;&#123;user:Castle Toad}} 20:51, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, in that case.. you're right! ^__^

Well, yes, i had a Super Mario Galaxy save file on my Wii memory she was the fourth character i unlocked, that was easy!!! Why?

Yeah, but I don't know how to play it ^__^;

Well maybe you are a bit like me!!! something like that happened to me!!! i was in search of Baby Daisy at first!!! but before i got her, surprisingly the "you have unlocked Rosalina" invaded my screen! i was amazed!!! Castle Toad 21:12, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Nope, I didn't check other sites for gameplay help. )=  don't worry, that's okay ^__^; well, I gotta get going, See ya later MeritC!

well indeed i HAD it, but since i saw it was no great challenge i exchanged it by Zelda Phantom Hourglass!!! well, sorry me i'd like to stay but i gotta go!!! Take Care MeritC!!!and good luck with your unlockables!!! hehe Castle Toad 21:23, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Ouch! I don't have it :$  Lo regale ^__^;

Huh, yeah i made a few worlds with minitoads minipeaches and miniDKs hehe but well it's not the only game in the world! haha

Hey
Can We PLEASE TALK PLEASE No One Talk's To Me And No One Really Knows Me So PLEASE Talk To Me.I Can Help You On Mario Kart Wii I Passed The Game.

Re: Haha... Yay!!
I guess you have watched my latest deviant submissions... XP Am I right?

OK I give up, what's that? 0.o


 * Ah, the super adorable toddler thingy is your opponent nao? :P In my opinion, I love how she dances when choosing her. Looks like she wants to ipnotize the player with that curious "swing" dance - Choose me, Choose me! look at me! :D

Hi there!
Look at this!:   :3

hey MeritC, I'm leaving ;_;   nice to meet you! ^__^

MERIT C!!! please can you hold on a bit.....it's about Birdoshi!!!!!Castle Toad 22:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, as you can see...she's not staying anymore in the Wiki because she's moving to Spain! She said me:"tell Merit C. that i will be supporting the Mario Gals anyway." well, if you want to know something else ask me Ok? Castle Toad 22:32, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

"Just What I Needed!"
Once all of the tasks that involve Daisy are complete, Daisy is finally able to join Peach's team afterwards (the Peach Monarchs) vowing to help obliterate Bowser's gang who invaded the Baseball Kingdom and turned her into a statue.

What exactly are you having issues with over certain info? FD09

Threat Messages
There was an user with the IP number 173.169.123.214 who was making sockpuppet accounts, just for bugging you. Fortunately that bum was blocked, his accounts and his IP :)

Da winter fashion
All the pictures came from gamespot. I was following when somebody uploaded Metal Sonic's artwork, and I tried to see if I could put more of the images down here and voila! Hope you like them, although the flowerchild princess didn't appear yet D: harsh But you know, the last will be the best ;P

Re: blockon Lindsayoris15
Dont worry. you did the correct thing, she was ignoring warnings
 * I've unblocked Lindsayoris15. There really wasn't any need to block her for something she did two weeks ago. Besides, a month's block is too extreme for removing a warning. -- 23:45, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Heya
I got it from here. http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=217447 It was easy to edit out the logo. FD09

Hi Merit Celaire =(

Oh, because the winter artwork was fake =( so, Birdo isn't playable character.. T,T

Well, the time is up for today,I only been here because I had to fix some problems with my old school, and (tomorrow) I have to go to my new home from Spain, oh.., good bye! I will miss you. =( Hasta la vista! ^,^ and thank you very very very muuuch!!!! ;D, take care! n__n   your friend:

M&L group artwork
Please explain why you reverted the collage of M&L3 characters. We had decided on the talk page that the previous image is better quality and is the official version. - 11:03, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Hey
Why did you undo my edit? Cream does say that, I know because I was just playing the game in Long Jump and I kept going over the foul line and now I've got that annoying line stuck in my head forever. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that's what she says, she's not like toad who just roars, she has vocal chords, BTW, SMB, if you're reading this, your advice worked!-- Marioguy1 My talk page (haha, no link for you ) 01:18, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
 * Wow, my second comment to you! Anyways, you're on and I think that you classify in one of the groups: Sysops, Patrollers, SMBs or Marioguys (I think the latter) and I have orders to contact all members of those groups (well, the first two, I added the other two) and tell them that we are having a discussion on whether or not to change the Reminder template at Template talk:Reminder. Anyways, I hope to see you there!
 * Since you're so into undoing, please rollback the latest revisions of Mario, Princess Peach, Mario (series) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl as undoing triggers the wiki's time out system.

An apology from Xion
XionGaTaosenai: I apologise for acting too quickly on the Baby Daisy page. While I firmly believe that my edits were the truth and improved the accuracy of the page, I now know not to make such radical alterations without first discussing them in the discussion page and coming to an agreement amongst other Mario Fans on what is fact and what isn't. I will do my best not to act so impulsivley in the future.

Hey MeritC...
I have a question. You blocked Brandon50 about a month ago, and a sockpuppet of his a bit later (Brandon60). I noticed his block runs out in a couple of days, but shouldn't the original 1 month block be extended for his sockpuppetry? 13:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Also, Coincollector just blocked another sockpuppet of him (Brandon80), so that could constitute furthering his original ban, as (s)he might try to get back on their original account. 18:56, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Cool, thank you. :) 21:10, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, I think you need to extend the block to indefinite, as Brandon50 has sockpuppeted yet again as Coins (contributions) (Coincollector blocked Coins). 17:42, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Block on Brandon
Ugh, had to start a new section due to character limits... Well, thank you for blocking him. We don't need users who don't follow the rules. 21:08, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Ban!
OK, I've blocked all the IP entries of the user, so he won't use them again to create any other sockpuppet accounts. By the way, I removed the trivia from the article because it's too long and In my opinion, it is a quite clear feature seen in the game that I don't think it shouldn't be explained in this way. You can add again the info otherwise, but not as trivia. Sure, that picture looks like a cute photo of the girls, while I'm seeking desperately that picture of Daisy on skiis! :O

Sorry, but...
I got a message saying that my recent edits (saying that Birdo and Princess Peach shared bad chemistry in Super Mario Sluggers) were labeled as speculation. Since elsewhere on the page, it showed this chemistry, and good chemistry was listed, I don't see how it was speculation. Sorry, but can I have an explanation? PPF

All right, but why can't I post Birdo/Peach's bad chemistry with each other in the 'Baseball series section? Her good chemistry is posted: "but still did not have her own stadium. She continued to be good at pitching and fielding, and her powers include Suction Ball, Cannon Swing & Suction Catch. Birdo has good chemistry with Daisy, Yoshi, Petey Piranha, Shy Guy and Toadette." -PPF

Okay,by the way, you have been cordially invited to participate as a special writer in the Birdo Wiki; it would be great to have you in our staff. If you would like to participate, plase tell me so, you can write any section of your liking, or write about anything you want. :)

About Peach's Outfit
Okay, so you see it's saying that this is Peach's second game to wear this outfit aside from the first time in the NBA game. That's not trivia merit, that's someone stating a very miscellaneous fact that has no relevance to the game overall. That's like if I put on there it was the whatever numbered time Daisy appeared in her sports outfit. It would be random and not needed in any manner. That's the kind of thing you say on her alternate outfits section on her own page. FD09

Yes But
In all honesty the image is not even good for her page. Her appearance in the opening cinematic, although impressive is not her best. This model looks very different from the artwork from the game which is easily far better. Having Daisy standing next to Peach here is a bad idea, as it just makes people compare the two too closely. I think you can agree that I, being solely a Daisy fan and not a mario gals fan would understand what's at hand here. FD09

Peach's Bio
Elise I got Peach's bio, for Mario Tennis 64, from an official prima stategy guide.

Bowser ate Peach...
Sorry, I haven't played the game yet. I was just rewriting some parts of the new articles, which are awful in some aspects - they lack a bit of quality. Until I get the game and have played I'll inform you, OK? As for Mario and Sonic in Bancouver, looks like there will be more artworks of the characters (not only the missing ones) that I watched in the recent trailers of the game.

Sysop Time!
Congrats, Merit! You've finally made it to Sysop! Keep up the great work, and don't forget to check out the Sysop board on the forum on occasion. =) 17:15, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Congratulations! Yoshario''' [[Image:Yoshi_wearing_mario's hat.jpg|30px]]
 * Congrats :) You have done an excellent job as a Patroller, there is no doubt that you will as a Sysop. 18:00, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, to say the least: Congratulations! To say the most: Congratulations MeritC you have used your patroller powers so well, like on that day where those dual users made those horrible edits, you rollbacked them while we regular users were getting hit with long loading time and frozen computers! I have seen you block on multiple occasions and I've read your talk page and seen that you are (somewhat) smart...naw, I'm just yanking your chain! Ok, Kudos to Yudos, aurevoire!

Congrats! I was suprised!

Could you do me a small favor...?
Could you please change the link Smooch (PR: TTYD) to [[Smooch (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) on User:Xzelion/c (for maintenance reasons). Thanks. 16:50, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Another Favour
Hey, there's this user,, who vandalised the Bowser Jr. article. I undid them but I think someone should block him/her. If you could do it I would be grateful, Did u get New Super Mario Bros. Wii? I hope.

Revert
I totally realize why you did those reverts and I am not protesting (the Peach ones, you know Taunt, Championship Animation). I would just like to ask if there is any way I can incorporate that information into the article, maybe put it under the header for that in the "Appearances" section?

Bird0
Have you deleted the quotes from the Birdo article? why? Princess Daisy has alot of quotes in her article. Don't remove content from pages without good reason. (You're in problems, MeritC)

I see

Super Sluggers
Hey, MeritC, I noticed that none of the power ups in Mario Super Sluggers have their own pages. Should I make pages for them or leave everything as is?
 * Oops, sorry, we already did... I asked around everyone yesterday, and I only got "Can't help you". So, me and MC Hammer Bro worked on all of them. Sorry.

Hello! MeritC, I was wondering if you can block PinkYoshi because he is putting only 2 userboxes at his page. Also he is a sockpuppet of Steve. Take care! {{User:NessandLuigi469/seg]]

Japanese Mario and Peach art
Hello, you deleted the artwork of Mario and Peach in Japanese attire uploaded by Lindsayoris15. There is a discussion on this here, maybe you could tell your opinion? Thanks. --Grandy02 06:59, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Got Milk?
The tiny bit of information is in the trivia section of this article. Here is a Youtube-Link to the actual commercial -  00:36, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

But it's true

Re: A bit confused here...
A proposal passed some time ago that gave us patrollers the rights to use checkuser against users that behave suspicious, just like sysops can. And well, he didn't even use a dynamic IP or something like that. I also compared the other data and it was overall fitting. -  00:15, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, his "style of editing" was mainly about deleting the Mushroom Retainer on the Super Mario Bros. article and replacing it with Toad. Before I checked the IP, I was confused that so many seemingly different users wanted to add this specific false information. I even left an angry comment at the talk page, warning the people to make that edit again. It was a kinda relief that all this users were sockpuppets. - 10:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Kill Steve (part 1)
Yeah, that guy deserved a stop for his behavior in the wiki. I blocked his IP entries of his original account. You can do it going to the checkuser page.

Re: Mario Super Sluggers
Hello. I edited the article not only because of the long time that passed since the game's Japanese and North American releases, but also because Nintendo of Europe never made a precise announcement of a European release. The game was only introduced at NoE's website when it was showcased at the E3 (those pages have already disappeared). So we don't even know if NoE ever had plans to publish Mario Super Sluggers. In case of Australia, the game had its own page at Nintendo Australia's website, dated "TBD", but this page has been removed as well. Of course, if there will be PAL version in the future nonetheless, we can always change the article. But as of now, nothing has been confirmed. --Grandy02 09:33, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Uploaded Images

 * I only uploaded those artwork images since I didn't see them anywhere else. If you do happen to run into those artworks with an empty background, replace the other ones.  That's basically why I created image talk articles after uploading the images.  But still, if you feel that the images don't fit in, you can delete them.  20:22, 14 October 2009 (EDT)


 * By the way, I am uploading some screenshots that relate to the game. Some may look good, while others may be questionable.  20:26, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

Template Improvement

 * For the template,  , I was hoping to add the rivals onto it so that the template would look like the one below.  I would make the changes myself, but the template is being used on an article that I can't edit.  Seeing as you're a Sysop, I was hoping that you can make those improvements for me.  16:36, 8 November 2009 (EST)


 * Since you've unlocked that template for me, I was able to make the changes myself. You can ignore my request.  17:15, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Yikes
Ouch, sorry that Cpeterson kid's giving you such a hard time... -- 21:01, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't you just hate it when people do that?

Block of "Gawer"
Uh... why did you block this guy? I already gave him a warning at his talk page and he didn't do anything after that as far as I see. Wasn't that a little rash? - 17:47, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Hi/freind request
Hi wanna be freinds?

I Don't Understand
What exactly is " general " about the quotes? Is there somewhere this is covered in some rule somewhere here? I thought the only times a quote wasn't applicable was when it was a short phrase that didn't count as an actual quote. As you can see all of these are. I really don't understand why you would do this when I came to you about how I fixed the page, now you go behind my back and remove all the quotes I spent time adding, quotes I still don't understand why you feel the need to remove. =[ FD09

Okay, then if you removed quotes because of the fact they didn't relate to her personality then you should remove ONLY those quotes. You simply removed everything. A quote remarking on what she is doing, i.e challenging the player to figure skating and replying to a loss obviously aren't personality related but saying something like "Better behave yourselves" or talking in a manner that shows her personality, which some of those quotes did include should not have been removed. FD09
 * MeritC, I don't understand why you reverted my latest edits to Peach and Daisy, so, why?

Re: HUH?!?!?!?!!
Actually, this is not Edofenrir, but I was one of the people who reverted your edits. Four users (Marioguy1, Edofenrir, Ace Reporter Kylie Koopa, and I) did not know the issue with the emblems, so we reverted it. 01:29, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Hm, nope. I checked both articles and the picture was nowhere else to be found. The only thing similar where pictures of the emblems in other games. Those had slight differences, like another background colour and such, so there presence should be justified in that place. Having a picture to look at will also improve the articles layout in that section. That said I see no harm done to the article if the picture stays there. It's just a picture after all, no entire rewrite. - 01:33, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
 * Per Edo, if that image is reverted it will clog up this page. If you find another place for those images, I'll stop.


 * I was also unable to find any other use of these images (which are indeed from Mario Kart Wii) on the wiki 02:01, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Images
Oh my, well... that's a secret. >;D I won't tell my secrets! I won't even tell a single hint to YOU!! MWHAHAHAHAHA! . . . . . . . . . OK OK, I got these images a long time ago actually. I was planning to upload all the images (600 of them) in one single day, but only got half of them done. I was saving up the images to beat Shroobario's images with 294 images, and beat him. By the time I uploaded half of it taht day, I forgot that I had the images still laying around in my folder until now. Sorry, I have now no idea where most of the images came from... but I think I used Google to search for them, just type in the keywords creatively to get the best results! ^_^

Yeah?
Peach's article is unbalanced, undone, and simply put the first term that comes to mind is "slob-the-hog". I can't perfect Peach's article. I don't know enough about her appearances. I can't keep up with the overly constant edits made to it. The point is, however, Peach has appeared in so many games her article should probably be just as big as it is now with the addition of all the space Daisy's article takes up. Obviously, it isn't, that's the point.

The best thing I could say to do would be to follow Daisy's article as a guide, but make it better due to so much you can say with how many things Peach has done. FD09

Daisy Skis
I got it from the credits of the game. It was from a screenshot and I thought it's better than nothing, so sorry about the horrible resolution.

HEY
Go here: http://segapr.segaamerica.com/SEGA_CONTACTS.html And: http://segapr.segaamerica.com/SEGA_FTP_NAV.html

I messaged almost every email listed about the artworks. Please do the same! FD09

Cream
OK, now that the short quotes proposal has passed - can I re-add that quote to the Cream the Rabbit article? The proposal said that shorter quotes are better and if that quote isn't added then the article will not have a quote at all because Cream never says anything else. I cannot see any reason why the quote should not be added to the article, yours truly
 * Fine, I guess the article doesn't need a quote :( I'll add it to the list of quotes from Mario & Sonic... thing. For the record, the quote was from MASATOG...
 * OK, I created the article and I hope to finish it tomorrow because I have to go now. BTW, could you protect my archive if I archive it right now or will you be gone by then?
 * Like this

Help Make Peach's Article (More Good)
Hey. I don't know if you saw my new proposal for character articles you should check it out. The whole point I made it was to make character articles like Peach's better organised in terms of the main biography. I can help fix the Peach page a lot more than I would if it doesn't pass, so please look into it and tell me what you think if you have any indifferences with it! Thanks merit. FD09

Yeah
IDK What she was thinking. It's like she literally ignored the warnings. FD09

Re: PrincessPeach16
Thanks, maybe this will teach her not to subtract over 1,700 bytes from an article and whatever other inappropriate behavior she has been committing.

And here's your answer!
Unless Steve changed the settings, it blocks users who have had an account for 30 days or less from editing said page, which is near-perfect timing since the protection expires on the 1st of December. ...And on a completely unrelated note, keep up the good work; you're turning out to be quite the Sysop. ;) 03:51, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Re:Super Mario Sunshine
I was only trying to fix the gallery because people were complaining about trivia and screenshots being in artwork...AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP! I LOVED this game and I don't want it to be unfeautured. People shouldn't just sit around saying "unfeauture this article blahdeblahdeblah". For some I understand because they don't have the game, but for others... -_-' I'm just trying to be helpful... --


 * Do you think the Super Mario Sunshine article has enough images? Also, people were complaining about the overly long trivia, but I don't see any way to shorten it? Any hints?--

MASATOG
- why?
 * OK, I have no idea what you just said but I'll pretend I do...So, why don't you edit the article to get rid of said changes?

Peach's art
I don't know, I shouldn't say the secret where I've found now that image of Peach...


 * Gotcha ;P

Look at this
Cute as ever :D

Do you know where the Daisy pic was found? Would you mind to tell me where? And no, I haven't seen those arts of Amy and Peach, because Nintendo cowardly wants to take out such arts for the public!! D:<

Voice Acting
Hi there, MeritC. I looked over the recent changes and noticed you've been removing Voice Cast sections from a few game articles.

I just wanted to say that I think these sections are indeed necessary, because there are some characters (such as Plum in Mario Golf) who have voice actors who are never heard from again, and, aside from the characters' pages, there's no other place to find the information. I dunno, what do you think? 22:15, 16 November 2009 (EST)

N64 Controller
Can I make an article about it ? : D -- Luigi, potato of MarioWikiWood!

I'd like to...
Make an article about the differences between PAL and NTSC games... But idk if I can xD -- Luigi, the green hero

The media is unnecessary ?! We should say it's a Nintendo Optical Disc! -- Luigi, the green man

Yoshi Art
For Yoshi's profile art in MP8 he has a sort of blue background.

I was just wondering since you are the uploader of it that it could be changed to a white background.

Thanks for your time.

Yor pal

Enough's Enough
Alright, this time TimeQ has done something personal. Rather than edit all of the pages with broken formats, including their bio's, TimeQ has gone to the Daisy page and incorrectly placed all other media information in the main biography. He basically just through everything in there. This is ridiculous. It is obviously a personal attack on me. TimeQ has no real interest in Daisy other than using her page to insult me with the fact he already got my whole proposal removed. This time it's personal, it's obvious. FD09

FINALLY! HELP ARRIVES!
MeritC, can you block User:Pieman993? He's a sockpuppet of Chamchir9482.


 * THANK YOU SO MUCH! Now I can rest easy knowing that guy is blocked.

Lakitu's image
No, I didn't found it from that site. Even so, thanks for the comment of that website

Well
You can just look under the development or character depiction sections. I'm sure it's talked about. FD09

Princess Daisy
What's the problem with my edit? The original text is poorly written (sentences aren't allowed to start that way) and my re-write says the exact same thing, only more correct in terms of English syntax. Redstar 21:26, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Again
You overrule everything you think you know everything about. The only time you seem not to is when you have reason to believe or know you are in the wrong, when in actuality you should talk about everything first. You can't just overrule others edits every time they don't agree with you.

First off, last time I checked the way a character's page is written does not discriminate against spin-off appearances. Especially in the case of a character who appears in almost every spin-off game. Secondly, Peach and Toadette are good friends why? Birdo and Peach are friends at all why? There is no point to even call them friends when the fact they have had bad chemistry means the opposite. The introduction is for vital information, and regardless of whether or not there was reason to believe those females are friends, Peach's relationship with Toad, Luigi, and Daisy is far more big and important to have them mention din the same area let alone th same sentence.

I wouldn't even care about this so much if it wasn't for the fact you abuse your powers to avoid discussion in terms of areas you deem overruled. Just above even I didn't see anything wrong with the edits redstar made. He barely made any changes and if anything he wrote that sentence better than it was. FD09


 * Uhm? You are clearly confused. YOU are the only person who overruled my edit. Also, I never said there was anything wrong with Redstar's edits... In fact you seem to think I said something about his edits to Peach's page? I'm talking about the message he left you right above this one on your talk page about the edits you overruled that he made to Daisy's article. And just because you say sports games don't count doesn't mean anything... I can't believe you of all people are trying to tell me the sports installments don't count for anything. By that logic nothing Daisy has ever done means anything. You are literally making no sense right now and regardless of your opinion, which you are obviously not correctly backing up, I'm going to take this to other users with powers equal or greater to yours on this site to get this resolved. FD09

The Peach article edits you're doing
The article is good, but being a writer I've noticed issues of bad writing on many of the pages. An encyclopedia article should be concise and clean, so I'm working to chop down the writing to clear and to-the-point information, as well as format it into paragraphs much easier on the eyes. Hopefully it amounts to a much better article. Redstar 02:52, 27 November 2009 (EST)
 * There weren't necessarily a "mess" of problems, but from my perspective some areas were badly written and I found other parts to have either redundant information or too much of it. I'm just trying to get the article to a much cleaner form that still maintains its informative-nature. Redstar 21:33, 27 November 2009 (EST)