MarioWiki:Featured articles/N1/Mario

Support

 * 1) - Plenty of content, well-written, sufficient images, very few red links.
 * 2) - Well writed, tons of images and information.
 * 3) - Per all. It was time Mario, the center of this wiki, got nominated.
 * 4) Mario is my most favorite character, but that's not a reason why I think it should be featured. This article has a ton of information, plentiful images (although I think some sections need a bit more images), and no construction templates.
 * 5) - Per all the reasons above and below, this should be featured since long ago, I support this.
 * 6) - This is kind of ironic, the Mario article of Super Mario Wiki is not a FA. Lol. This is very outstanding, going beyond and above what a article is. Outstanding (but not too much) length, plentiful facts, truth and only the truth, along with great headers and minimal grammar errors.
 * 7) – Per all!
 * 8) - Per all. It should have been featured a long time ago.
 * 9) - Well written, lots of images, and it's called The Mario Wiki
 * 10) - This is great article.

Oppose

 * 1) Ok it looks like everything is in good shape but... the cross-overs section is completely off-topic. It talks about Pac-Man, not Mario. And what about Mario Kart Arcade GP 2? Where's that information?
 * 2) Interactions with other characters and Appearances outside of electronic media can surely have more information.
 * 3) This article is terrible. It's poorly written, poorly organised, missing vital information, and doesn't cover anything well at all. It is by far one of the worst character articles on this site.
 * Yes, it's terrible and not even up to our standards. There's still a "Biography" section which needs to be rewritten to be a History section.
 * 1) Terrible. Super Mario Galaxy is a series? The history section is badly categorized (New Super Mario series?), some sections lack images. What else? Hmm...oh, how could I missed that. A construction template. Please, don't feature him just because he is Mario.
 * 2) - Now what does this make me think of...? I don't know, but I do know is that the article has a construction template, the article's sections are way too short and I'm sure it could be rewritten to be way better.

ChainChomp

 * 1) FD09 -- This account was obviously made just to vote here. Seriously.

Time Q

 * 1) -- It's been changed to become a History section.
 * 2) Per.

Fawfulfury65

 * 1) -- There really isn't much more that can be said about Mario from that game. All he does is play basketball, all-round character, and his special shot.
 * 2) Per.

Marioguy1

 * 1) -- The article does not have a construction template. ; Which sections? ; Being "sure that it could be written way better" isn't really a reason.
 * 2) Per.

BabyLuigiOnFire

 * 1) -- Fix'd, Fix'd, Fix'd, there's no construction template, and nobody is featuring him just because he is Mario. Is that why you are opposing? Just because he is Mario? o_o
 * 2) Per.

ForeverDaisy09

 * 1) -- Not specefied as to where it is poorly written. Not specified as to what vital information is missing. Despite saying that things are not covered well, claims that the article has too much information.

Comments
The NSMBW section needs to be expanded before I support. And it wouldn't hurt to add a few more images at the top of the page.

@Reversinator: Please make your oppose more specific. "Lots" and "Tons" are meaningless words if we don't know which sections you're talking about. --

@FD09: Could you also clarify what exactly you would like to see improved? --

@BLF: What makes you think Super Mario Galaxy isn't a series? There's a game one, and a game two. Looks like a series to me. --
 * Usually, we only have a "Super Mario series" where we put SMB, SMW, SMS, NSMB, SMG, NSMB2 etc.
 * OK, I'll resort them then. Although, I included the Yoshi series as a subsection already, since Yoshi's Island is Super Mario World 2, if that's all right. --

Because I don't want to edit your original comment, I'll re-paste every point you made, and cross them out as I go along, as well as comments for each one.


 * The intro has an "uncited" statement. (It's been "cited" now.)
 * The history section groups different types of games when it should cover each game separately, in the order of release. (According to Time Q Here, and the Manual of Style Here, it's correct at this point.)
 * I couldn't even find his description for appearing in comics or cartoons. (But yet you criticized the "Apperances outside of Electronic Media section as being "the wrost random section")
 * The spin-offs are completely separated from the main history section regardless of the fact I had a gigantic proposal removed about why we should separate the comics and cartoons from the videogames but someone here seems to think it's okay to separate spin-offs which obviously have more to do with video-game sof the main series than comics or cartoons ever could. (Is there a specific rule about this?)
 * The Brawl sections is ridiculous. Characters do not need a whole 'nother character box. And the moves should have their own page. Finally, the coverage of what he does in brawl should be left to the subspace emissary page while it should simply sum up his role in the game. (There was a proposal a long time ago that merged all of the moves with the respective character article, so that's fine.)
 * Why do the sports games just combine every sports game together? Aside from Mario Party which doesn't usually have a story, I've been able to write full descriptions on Daisy's appearances in spin-offs, Mario's should be even easier to write about. (I don't really understand what you mean on this one)
 * His personal descriptions are terrible and spaced out across the page. this is something I can deal with myself, as any moron can write about a character's appearance, it just seems I'm the only one who knows how to do it correctly. (Flaming is bad. :
 * His powers and abilities is written out in different tabs. WHY? No other character's is like this. (Why not?)
 * His powerups section has its own mini gallery? BECAUSE? No. His art gallery is here for a reason. (To give a visual representation for each power-up while the reader reads the verbal discriptions would be my guess.)
 * His interactions with other characters seems to cover every single person he has a relationship with. While other characters might still need a section for Mario on their own page, having every character here is ridiculous and unnecessary. (Where do we draw the line?)
 * He has a cameos section which seems very random and badly done. (I may organize that section a little better, but how is it random?)
 * He has an occupations section when while Mario has done certain things doesn't mean we can just say it is one of his "jobs". No. (Occupation doesn't necessarily mean "job", but the section is pointless nonetheless so it's been removed.)
 * Half of his Aliases are from the cartoons and aside from that why is this here? If by chance a character calls him a certain name it should be something covered on the games story section on the games article or if possible his interactions section. Why does this page have so many sections no other page would use? (What's wrong with the names being from the cartoons? Canonicity has been long-abandoned.)
 * Why in his official statistics/profiles section are the smash sections both randomly at the bottom? (I'll probably get to reordering that so it's chronological by series)
 * What a truly pathetic image gallery. Does anyone know how easy it would be to get screenshots of the Mario series main character for every game he's been in? Just as so for his artworks? Wow. (Ok, did you not see the link in the section to Mario/Gallery? There was a proposal about this long back.)
 * Why aren't his video-game quotes linking back to the quotes section rather than being on his page? Isn't even Peach's fixed like that? Ugh.
 * Appearances outside of electronic media, wow really? Quite possibly the wrost random section I've seen on this page. (Ya rly [insert owl]. But yes, Mario has appeared in comic books, merchandise, toys, etc.)
 * You call that a trivia section? (I wouldn't call it the Quotes section)

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 * Actually, canonicity is a word. --
 * True.


 * Your fifth from last point makes no sense. If there's no canon, we should treat every appearance exactly the same. If you separate them by media, you make an assumption; if you put them all together, you make no assumption at all. Don't try to avoid those standards again.


 * It's a book reference.
 * They're supposed to be sectionalized by series.
 * It would be very helpful if you could do that.
 * Because he has so many more compared to other characters, and it's easier to read.
 * Which ones do you think are unneccessary? IMHO, it seems like each of them are significant enough.
 * Because we don't have specific guidelines that every article must follow, and thus some articles have sections :that others do not. Just because something has more than everything else does does not make it bad.
 * It's been reordered to be by chronological appearance now.
 * There's already a separate page for a gallery, is that not enough?
 * I still don't understand what you mean.




 * Here. Google book preview. Page 45, look at it. I hope you are now satisfied. (And no, the author is not a liar, if that's what you're going to say)
 * Don't assume that I'm making excuses to not improve the article. (I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish; in fact, perhaps you should do it yourself, if you're accusing me of making excuses :/ )
 * Ok. That's not really a valid oppose, though.
 * What's bad about tabbed Abilities?
 * The character page is being nominated, not the gallery page, so somewhat irrelevant. "It can be improved" is not a valid oppose.

BLOFFY: I see no construction template anywhere and the Super Mario Galaxy "Series" and the New Super Mario Bros. "Series" are reverted to just Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Too bad this article DOES need more images. Or else your vote can qualify for deletion. Heh.
 * I've added images to the history section and some of the others (power-ups section, physical traits section, etc. about 15 images). @BLOF: Are there any sections you find that still lack images? --

Uhm, hello? My comments are what clarify what's wrong with the page, you can't remove my vote. The fact you think this page is good enough is just, ... silly. If you care about this article enough to want it to be featured, you should try to fix it as much as possible first. Come on now.

STILL NOT RESOLVED: FD09
 * Mario as the main character should be able to have full descriptions for each game, including spin-offs, I can't say this enough. I wrote out Daisy's game appearances in full detail regardless of the fact they're spin-offs. Someone should be able to do even better with Mario's.
 * His personal descriptions are terrible and spaced out across the page. This is something I can deal with myself, as any person can write about a character's appearance, it just seems I'm the only one who knows how to do it correctly.
 * His powers and abilities is written out differently than other characters when it can be the same.
 * His interactions with other characters seems to cover every single person he has a relationship with. While other characters might still need a section for Mario on their own page, having every character here is unnecessary.
 * His gallery section is missing tons of screenshots, still. I mean the main gallery page of course. Also, this IS related to the article as a whole regardless of the fact it is technically on a separate page.