MarioWiki:Proposals

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Merge every Super Smash Bros. stage into game-specific lists
It's official, the premise is that the Super Mario Wiki is not a Super Smash Bros. wiki. I was wondering if we can merge every stage into game-specific lists:



The following pages will be affected:

The following pages will not be affected:

Proposer: Deadline: April 19, 2023, 23:59 GMT April 26, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per updated proposal. Please make sure to also explain what would be done with all that extra information (if anything).
 * 4) Actually, as I'm looking at those stage pages, they are pretty short, and far more suitable for a list page than the characters. The longer ones can be trimmed a bit.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) Sure. Consistent with List of The Subspace Emissary stages, List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Melee etc.
 * 7) I mean... we have made everything else in Smash into a list, how about stages too?
 * 8) I'm gonna support but I have a good feeling that these resulting list articles are stage 3 terminal versions of our Smash Bros. coverage.
 * 9) tbh im not a huge fan of the lists either. i would just kill them entirely and have the subjects externally link to smashwiki
 * 10) We have merged the fighters, items, and other stuff from this series, we might as well do this. Since the supporter didn't do a good job of explaining why this needs to happen, our stance on Super Smash Bros. is that it's not in the same vein of crossovers in comparison to Mario & Sonic. Honestly, I feel the opposition's reasoning is just based on how poorly this proposal is written, rather than because we shouldn't do it.

Oppose

 * 1) Per all. I get how we are trimming down our Smash Bros. coverage, however you are going to need to be more specific on how this is going to work.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) You have made zero effort to elaborate on various aspects of this merge, such as whether this merge involves minutiae like pertinent images, song tables, profiles etc., but most outstandingly, the proposal, intentionally or otherwise, makes a tacit statement that the Mario series stages themselves would also be merged together with the others, which is basically where my opposition is most strong. I assume this is a follow-up to the fighter proposal, which would imply that it aims to round up non-Mario Smash subjects of a particular nature into one page, in which case even a simple statement along those lines would have gone a long way towards clarification. You're basically relying on your voters' guesswork to sort this thing out.
 * 5) Per Koopa con Carne, and lumping 3DS and Wii U into the same page is also a strange decision since they introduced almost completely different stages to each other.
 * 6) Per Koopa con Carne, this needs some serious elaboration rather than just "merge everything".
 * 7) Proposal fails to even mention Mario-related stages and what would be done with extra information.
 * 8) Per Koopa con Carne, this proposal is unclear on too many aspects currently to consider supporting.
 * 9) While I like that we're cutting down on Smash Bros. content, those lists of fighters give me flashbacks of the Banjo and Conker series pages, so I don't want the stages to be given that treatment. I'm honestly quite confused about which non-Mario characters gets their own pages and which ones are sections of the fighter lists. And it's unclear with this proposal about what happens with the Mario stages.

Comments
@Teh Other, note that you still have three days to edit the proposal. Spectrogram (talk) 09:15, April 13, 2023 (EDT)

@Wikiboy10 It's not only poorly written, even this needs specifics on what exactly will happen. The proposal reasoning implies it will impact absolutely everything which is not a very good way of going about this sort of thing. 15:07, April 13, 2023 (EDT)

Funnily enough, I just removed my vote because now I realized the biggest flaw with this proposal: Would this include the Mario, Donkey Kong, Wario, Yoshi, and Wrecking Crew stages too? Please clarify that. Wikiboy10 (talk) 15:10, April 13, 2023 (EDT)

Why should the stages be merged and not playable characters? I think the stages are like the second most visible aspect of Super Smash Bros. 01:16, April 14, 2023 (EDT)
 * The fighters have been/are being merged already. 10:20, April 14, 2023 (EDT)

@Teh Other Could you clarify what exactly you intend to happen with the 3DS and Wii U stages? The proposal is still unclear about that. 10:20, April 14, 2023 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I think that's important too. I'm about to revote for this once it's more clear. We definitely need to merge the stages now, but we need better information. Wikiboy10 (talk) 11:26, April 14, 2023 (EDT)

Classify Just Dance series as a guest appearance
In Just Dance 3, there is a song named "Just Mario" with a whole theming around it. Spinies on the background, horsetail plants, and Mario Mario himself, dancing at the center of the screen. Exclusively for Just Dance 2018 Switch version, there is... Rabbid Peach, dancing next to Peach's Castle. With a whole theme going around these two songs, I believe it's fair to call the series a guest appearance.

Proposer: Deadline: April 27, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Mario is just that good at dancing
 * 2) Per proposal
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 1) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) If we aren't going to consider Punch-Out!! (NES) a guest appearance, then we should also treat this as a cameo. The Mario elements play no role in the gameplay. If you're going to use the argument that the character blatantly appears in it, so did Mario in Punch-Out!! (NES). Even if I would classify these games, I think we should create two different articles on it.
 * 2) Why create a series page for two games Mario guest appeared in? We should only do series pages for Mario spinoffs. We'd might as well do a Sonic series page or a Legend of Zelda series page if Just Dance gets a series page here. The Just Dance guest appearances should have a page for each game instead.
 * 3) Per SeanWheeler, but I'd support an option to make individual pages for the games with Mario content.

Comments
i mean, if its got mario stuff in it then yeah its a guest appearance. my question is does this really need a proposal? 22:02, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
 * SMW:CV "Please note that a proposal should be made before a game is classified as a "guest appearance", as this is a somewhat tricky distinction and there could easily be disagreement in the community about the extent to which coverage should be granted to any given non-Mario game." Spectrogram (talk) 01:21, April 21, 2023 (EDT)

So would this classify the whole series as a guest appearance or just those two games with Mario content? 08:19, April 23, 2023 (EDT)
 * The whole series because: a) stand-alone articles on two of these games just wouldn't be a good idea, and b) it's just better to keep all Mario content on one page for the whole Just Dance series. If Nintendo ever partners with them again and another Mario song gets released, would we need to make a third page? These games are way too similar. Spectrogram (talk) 09:16, April 23, 2023 (EDT)
 * So I'm assuming the page name would be "Just Dance (series)"? 09:19, April 23, 2023 (EDT)
 * Why not just Just Dance? Spectrogram (talk) 12:01, April 23, 2023 (EDT)
 * Naming: "Game series articles always get a series identifier regardless of whether or not the title is shared, such as Mario Kart (series)." 13:00, April 23, 2023 (EDT)
 * Not sure I agree with this rule, but in this case, yes Spectrogram (talk) 13:06, April 23, 2023 (EDT)

@WikiBoy10, Punch Out literally only has Mario as a referee (and that's it). These two songs clearly have tons of effort put into, combining elements from two separate Mario games. Comparing this to Punch Out is just fractally wrong. Spectrogram (talk) 14:57, April 23, 2023 (EDT)

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