Talk:New Super Mario Bros. 2

Luigi Is In!
Nintendo's Official Facebook states that Luigi will appear in this game. They also mention "other favorite characters" too, but I know thats too broad. Heres the link: they might be making sound exciting but we have to have official notice for luigi, some kind of picture or artwork or text.

Yes, the official Nintendo Facebook page has text, but you have to be logged in and like the page to see it. Their post reads "This just in - New Super Mario Bros. 2 will be launching for Nintendo 3DS in August! This all-new, side-scrolling adventure features Mario, Luigi and all your fave characters from the Mario series. Are you excited to play?"

Gold Mario
What does gold mario do? Is it sort of like invincible mario?
 * We've only seen screenshots so far, so we don't know yet. 14:20, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
 * That's a good question and in fact I think that actually it's invincible Mario (he is multicolored in this form and one of these colors is gold).
 * I think it is either a super guide, or a new powerup (possibly like White Tanooki Mario). i dont think its invincible mario, as that is too solid and shiny, plus there are golden enemies. -- firebrick purplebluegoldbluegreen PKB FSB.png firebrick
 * I think that it should not be put in the article unless we have it confirmed. I'm removing it for now, and if we do get some evidence that it is a power-up, I'll be fine with having it there. 05:15, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Are there source?
Is there a source that this game is canon? - Bill-tendo 10:26, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

My god, people these days http://www.gamespot.com/news/new-super-mario-bros-2-hitting-3ds-this-august-6372611 There's plenty of sources on there.

Dude, I'm just asking. - Bill-tendo 12:01, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Super Mario Wiki doesn't create articles for games unless they have an official source.

Even if that was an easily answered question,that doesn't mean you should answer with such a rude-sounding reply. It's just not how you treat people.--RosalinaSilverCrown 20:35, 28 June 2012 (EDT)

NSMBW is NSMB2?
I want to make it clear. NSMBW was officially called NSMB2? (I mean if Nintendo itself has declared the NSMBW can also be called NSMB2) or just an alternate title from not-official media?


 * New Super Mario Bros. Wii is the original follow-up of New Super Mario Bros. (which actually toke place some unknown amount of time after the events of Super Mario Galaxy), and I also believe it was known as New Super Mario Bros. 2 too. But everyone should know this; sometimes, developers change the titles before the release. It should have been named Super Mario 2D Land instead. By the way, despite the name sounding like a sequel, I really doubt New Super Mario Bros. 2 would take place right after New Super Mario Bros., making the game occuring before the events of Super Mario Galaxy. It is set to follow the events of Super Mario 3D Land.--Prince Ludwig 06:09, 23 April 2012 (EDT)


 * Actually I was looking for a simple answer, and your reply is more deducible rather than factible (something that I see with the users who created the redirects for the NMSBW article), therefore it's still unclear because you haven't said if Nintendo said that NSMBW was ever called NSMB2.


 * Since it was a follow-up, it was always known as New Super Mario Bros. 2 by fans because New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the game's sequel. There's no source that Nintendo says it was called 2. So, it was never called New Super Mario Bros. 2 by Nintendo. But there's the real official New Super Mario Bros. 2 now (which could have its title changed at any time before the release because that name is very suited for a possible new Super Mario game based on Super Mario Bros. 2 and BS Super Mario USA, darn it).--Prince Ludwig 17:26, 23 April 2012 (EDT)


 * If that's the case, we should avoid that NSMBW is also called NSMB2 and add information to the article based on that because it's not official.

Uh-huh. You got it. ;) --Prince Ludwig 15:00, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

NSMBW is not a sequel to NSMB, rather, a follow-up for the Wii console (obviously). Fans call it NSMB2 because it's the second installment the New Super Mario Bros. sub-series. They just add numbers to the titles of sub-series' installments that only have up to 1-2 follow-ups. (Example: PM:TTYD = PM2). However, "this" NSMB2 is considered NSMB2, because this is the 2nd NSMB game to be on a handheld. I can see why you're totally confused though. xP.--


 * I was talking about the chronology--when those games actually toke place. I am not confused, and you didn't understand what I meant. However, I did understood what you said now.


 * And yes, New Super Mario Bros. Wii is after the events of New Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Galaxy, and New Super Mario Bros. 2 would have to be after Super Mario 3D Land, not directly after the events of New Super Mario Bros. because it has a 2. It was the same for Super Mario Bros. 2 since it wasn't a direct sequel to Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels. Those games are all the Super Mario series installments after all. It doesn't matter if they are on a handheld or a TV console. The chronology of the Super Mario series is not like Zelda's at all.


 * I know that it's the second New Super Mario game on a handheld console. It's quite obvious. And despite that, it chronologically takes place after the events of New Super Mario Bros. Wii. It's not an alternate version of New Super Mario Bros. Wii or something like that.--Prince Ludwig 10:04, 28 April 2012 (EDT)


 * There is no chronology in Mario as there is no Mario timeline, sorry. - Ericss 13:43, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

there was a redirect of NSMBW that was NSMB2. I think NSMB2 is just a beta name, such as super mario 3D=Super mario 3D land. There's no way we would forget about a beta name, especially now. We still remember that Super Mario 3D is Super Mario 3D Land, and the things about some games that were recently released. Before was different, because the wiki was a lot different itself too, then there were lots of changes later, and the changes turned the wiki like the way it is now. So, there are things from between the classic and modern Mario sources that are forgotten or nowhere to be found again. But, there are still official sources of the classic Mario elements, fortunatly. And yes, Ericss, there is, in fact, a Mario chronology/timeline. So, don't appologize.--Prince Ludwig 16:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

1:you spelled apologize wrong 2:don't need 2! :)


 * this could still be a beta name....

Return of Mini Mario?
Look the Hidden mini blocks in the image: http://www.mariowiki.com/File:NSMB2_screen2.jpg

I think the return of Mini Mario

But notice the Brick Blocks. Possibly a P-Switch can turn them into coins. So we have 2 unknown thoughts, Mini Mario or P-Switch or both.

I doubt ... although it is possible, but would be meaningless to those mini blocks if there is a P-Switch?!

Maybe we should wait until the game actually releases? Flipthenote is the founder of a wiki! 


 * There's a Koopa Troopa in that screenshot. You probably do this:

1. Obtain a Mini Mushroom.

2. Stomp the Koopa, and kick its shell at the Brick Blocks.

3. Profit!

Paperphailurethemariomonster99 15:45, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

Aren't they Solid-On-Top-Platforms?

There are also mini warp pipes, at least that is like super mario world ...

Theres a new NSMB2 trailer and it proves that Mini Mario returns.

Super Leaf
I remeber reading somewhere that it was in the game. But it was called a Power Leaf instead. I can't find the source though....


 * It's clearly a Super Leaf. "Tanooki Leaf", "Raccoon Leaf" and now "Power Leaf"? Oh my god... It's obvious it'll be a Super Leaf. It literally means the Super Leaves will reappear. What kind of replacement do you guys expect? -_-; --Prince Ludwig 17:35, 23 April 2012 (EDT)

ALWAYS trust sources, no matter what.


 * Well, unless they say stupid things like 'this mario kart game will not have karts. it will have tablecloths instead'.

Scuttle Bug
Well, I've gotta say that those Scuttle Bugs look different than they did in previous games. Are we sure they are Scuttle Bugs?


 * Usually all characters from the Marioverse get a design revamp in various games they appear (specially enemies, for example the Mario Galaxy ones). No wonder they are scuttle bugs because they retain some basic characteristics.

Spider Web
Do you think I should make the page Spider Web
 * We probably shouldn't make pages for anything new yet until we know more about it. 16:14, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

Thats what I was thinking but I just wanted to make sure. :) I think you should add it because before they released SM3DLand they made the ink piranha page Well I'd like to make that page but is there a template telling readers that the item is in an upcoming game? Because if there is, it could (and has to) be used to make it. Flipthenote is the founder of a wiki!

UK release date!!!!
see here: http://www.game.co.uk/en/new-super-mario-bros-2-170963?pageSize=20&searchTerm=Super%20Mario --YoshiDude 14:10, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

For preordering. I think what it means by August 12 is August 2012 just like we have been saying.

NSMBMii or is it NSMB2
New Super Mario bros. Mii was a TEST, right, a DEMONSTRATION. So..mabey NEW Super Mario bros. 2 and New Super Mario bros 2 are the same game! Think about it, no person would make a game from scratch and not use the technology. Mabey The NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 2 is the final version. It IS a coincidence that a year after they made the demo that a NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. was anounced, there is also the posobility of it being on the WiiU and the 3ds like MARIO AND SONIC series. So look up some info.

Games have been made purely for hardware demonstation that were not released. That's why they're called Tech Demos. Additionally, New Super Mario Bros. Mii was a Tech Demo for the Wii U to demonstrate High-Definition gameplay. And the Mario game currently in development for the Wii U is based off of the tech demo. There have been no links so far to the Wii U and 3DS Mario games upcoming, so currently they are acknowledged as seperate games. There is no information you have made that is a solid fact, so it is speculation. Please save this speculation for the forums.


 * it's NSMB2... unless it's a beta name.

Luigi is Playable
In a Nintendo Show 3D, she says "the new platformer brings Mario and Luigi back the their side-scrolling roots" Is that enough proof?

Yes, its enough, and I saw Luigi in a video at E3.--Thejfh1999 13:24, 24 June 2012 (EDT)

MINISITE
Here is the official minisite of the game which reveals Golden Mario artwork as well as the story and more: http://e3.nintendo.com/games/#/3ds/new-super-mario-bros-2 User:MarioMaster720

Multiplayer
multiplayer is available, second player can play as luigi Reddo 22:45, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

And also you can place them self in a bubble

Eshop Descriptions
For the eshop description, what country should it be from?????--Thejfh1999 14:49, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

The Koopalings Are IN!
A Snapshot of Roy suggests that the Koopalings will apear in this game

Numbered Roulette Blocks
I think that, since they're golden, when you hit the numbered Roulette Block it gives you that amount of coins. --Flipthenote is the founder of a wiki! 

Well no. Hitting the golden roulette block makes coins pop out. The coins will be worth a number, like 10, depending on what number was on the block when you hit it. --Flipthenote is the founder of a wiki! 19:38, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

Undead Enemies?
In the enemies section it says there are "Undead Goombas" and "Undead Piranha Plants". I looked at all the sources and images in the gallery, but I couldn't find them anywhere. Does anyone have proof of these enemies?--MarioMaster2011 19:58, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Check videos of people playing the game. They are in the demo of the game


 * Thanks, I found them. They are in Course 3 of the demo, which is some fortress level. By the way your user page is awesome.--MarioMaster2011 20:13, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

This Enemies looks like a bony enemy


 * The undead goombas seem to resemble Bony Beetles. Unlike Dry Bones, they can be destroyed by a stomp, a fireball, or Raccoon Mario's tail. The undead piranha plants look like they can only be beat by a fireball or Raccoon Mario. It also could be possible that the fortress they're in might be .--MarioMaster2011 23:06, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Could anyone show me a pic of an undead Goomba?

EthanFerris 23:21, 16 July 2012
 * You should search via YouTube "new super mario bros. 2 gameplay course 3". You'll find the undead Goombas and the undead Piraña Plants there with the Rry Bones. -- 07:39, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

Red POW Blocks
If you look closely at the full group art, you will see a red POW Block. Should we add this? It's not the first time they've been red. the red ones in this game seem to cause chain reactions though

Well I did put red next to POW Blocks. I wasn't sure if there were Blue ones to so I added (red) to it. But I think we should add something. Maybe add it to the POW Block page. 21:20, 20 June 2012 (EDT)


 * I've got proof of them in the game! check this image out:[[File:BlocksAndCoinsNSMB2.jpg]]

We knew that since E3. We are just wondering if we should add info about what the red POW blocks do.

Gold Items
This Golden Mushroom, what does it do? I know the flower turns you gold and gives the ability to shoot those fireballs that makes everything a coin, so it can't do the same thing.KoopaKiller13 13:18, 21 June 2012 (EDT) It gives you 50-100 coins, depending on whether or not you're Gold Mario. Mario3D64 17:41, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
 * But 100 coins is basicly a 1- up, isn't it?

Pictures of Golden Things
Look what i found. Pictures of the golden enemies and Invincible Raccooon Mario. And if you have 1 000 000 coins, you will get something fun! How cool! (It's in dutch) http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/201206/veel_goud_in_nieuwe_artwork_new_super_mario_bros_2/ -- 16:37, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

Yellow Game Case
On the preorder page of the official site (newsupermariobros2.nintendo.com), it shows that at least the American release will have a yellow box, making it the first 3DS game outside of Japan with a different box color. Should we add this?

Golden 'shroom
What exactly is the difference between a Golden Mushroom and a Gold Flower?

The mushroom gives 50 or 100 coins, the flower chances you in Gold Mario.


 * It doesn't transform him, like a Power-up?

Correct.--Thejfh1999 13:22, 24 June 2012 (EDT)

Nintendo Network
How will this game be compitable with Nintendo Network? The logo is on he boxart, so I was wondering.

I think it has something to do with the DLC.

Coin Rush
Check this video of two parts of coin rush

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whDqUhRtxw

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0rSadztubs&feature=relmfu

Underwater Level
In this video here, there is an underwater level with Urchins and a new sort of mini sub-species. However, the page is protected so I can't edit it. Can somebody add it? (At 2:10, specifically) --Spongeman537 17:38, 28 June 2012 (EDT)


 * That was your tenth edit, so your autoconfirmed rights should now allow you to edit the page.



Blue Shell
At GS they have a picture of a Blue Shell power up on the promotion board. Will it appear, though or is it just a rumor like they had for PMSS. Mario time 64 10:51, 29 June 2012 Look at the red pow block pic. There's proof that you're right. -EthanFerris

That's a buzzy beetle shell and blue shell hasn't been confirmed at all

Koopaling battles
Why are we quick to say that all of the Koopalings' battles are "most likely similar to those of Super Mario World" based off of one screenshot? How do we even know the walls are closing in? Can't we wait until August to know for sure? It's only a month away. KoopaKiller13 23:15, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

Starman Comfirmed
OK why isn't the star in the power up section or his artwork it is comfirmed this artwork shows it http://mariopartylegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/nsmb2art20.jpg
 * Added. -- 11:36, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

Thanks but you forgot to add it in NSMB2's Gallery of items artwork ,

Silver Luigi
A piece of artwork shows that Luigi becomes Silver Luigi when he collects a Gold Flower! Mario3D64 15:35, 4 July 2012 (EDT) Whoops! Never mind. This was already added. Sorry. Mario3D64 15:39, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

Fox Luigi?
I couldn't help but notice in the gallery Raccoon Luigi is labelled Fox Luigi. I can see why, but was this name confirmed? KoopaKiller13 10:12, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Well, in Super Mario 3D Land he looked like a fox but was still called Tanooki Luigi so he is probably called Racoon Luigi--LuigiBlubber 17:13, 5 July 2012 (EDT)


 * In other languages, he really was called Kitsune Luigi. Even in Japanese, he is known as Kitsune Luigi respectly. There's no doubt that Raccoon Luigi will be respectly known as Fox Luigi. Except in Japanese because that would be Tail Luigi. But, in order to undo some confusions whether he turned into a fox/kitsune or a raccoon/tanuki which looks just like a fox, it's for the best to start calling him Fox Luigi and Kitsune Luigi.--Prince Ludwig 17:21, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

But what if that's not his official North American name? Last time I checked, the only thing we labelled with foreign names were games that came out in Europe before all other continents. When it comes to characters, items, forms, etc., we use American names, correct? KoopaKiller13 18:18, 5 July 2012 (EDT)


 * We did used some titles in other languages than American too. We mostly use "Super Mario All-Stars - 25th Anniversary Edition", instead of "Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition". We can keep the article's title Raccoon Luigi (it's just an example but Raccoon Luigi surely wouldn't be the article's name though). But it won't hurt to write Fox Luigi and Kitsune Luigi everywhere else, right? It's kind of similar. Americans really need call him Fox Luigi and Kitsune Luigi, because that would cause such a terrible confusion. I'm pretty sure that most people outside this wiki will seriously call him Fox Luigi and Kitsune Luigi. But it can't be helped.--Prince Ludwig 23:36, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

White Raccoon AND White Tanooki Mario?
In the forms section, both White Raccoon and White Tanooki Mario/Luigi are listed but regular Tanooki Mario/Luigi isn't. I read the source and I believe the artwork is from Super Mario 3D Land, so I think what's in the article is a typo. Also, if the Invincibility Leaf gives the brothers the White Raccoon form, what would give them the White Tanooki form? KoopaKiller13 00:50, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
 * I got the source from My Nintendo News, so I'm not entirely sure that White Tanooki Mario's in the game. DonnyKD 02:10, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

How?
How do you edit a page without edit signs?-penguini1126 I want to add this video---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHdu3slBIY8&feature=colike
 * The article is semi-protected, meaning that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. When you have been on the wiki for a week and have made 10 edits, you will see an edit sign. BrawlROB.jpg   Master       R.O.B.     (contribs · edits) 15:18, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Download option
I heard that the retailers also give you the option to download the game. I knew that you can get it straight from the eShop, but how does that work if you purchase the download from the retailer? Is it like a QR or numerical code? KoopaKiller13 00:47, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

Gloomba, or something like it.
If you look at some of the E3 playthroughs, when Mario jumps on the undead goomba, you will notice that a gloomba, or something like it (considering Gloombas are based on the NES underground goomba coloration, this may be a similar reference) falls of screen, meaning that it may not be a skeleton goomba, but a goomba wearing a skull on it's head. -Chaoxys
 * You're right. Judging by the artwork here: the Dry Goomba's just wearing a mask. DonnyKD 21:24, 17 July 2012 (EDT)

Golden Boxart
Go here: http://newsupermariobros2.nintendo.com/ Then click preorder. You will see that the case itself will be gold, making it the first 3DS game to be released with a different colored boxart! (In America and Europe at least.)

IGN.com
IGN HAS TONS OF RARE FOTAGE, PICTURES AND THE WHOLE STORY!!!!! THEY HAVE GAMPLAY, SECRETS AND OTHER STUFF. CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOLY CRAP YOU DO NOT NEED ALL CAPS!!!!!!!! But yes, I will check it out. Mario3D64 00:03, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

Confirmed features we have yet to show
A Japanese trailer shows at the end that 5-3 is the sky level that was a grassy castle exterior level, and it might show that World 5 might be the sky world (possibly, we don't know for sure). And The American website shows that 3-1 is the Cheep-Cheep level, 2-Ghost House is the level with the Mega Boo. And Fire Snakes were confirmed to be in the game a while ago (I think 2 weeks), but haven't been added into the article. In fact, they were in several trailers. And one of the pictures in the American website show that 2-3 (I think 2-3) is a level with Spike Tops. (I could make out what they looked like)

Info concerning the worlds
As seen here (simply scroll down to the third video and go to 02:00) NSMB2 has 6 main worlds and 2 secret worlds, like in NSMB, although in this one, the main worlds are numbered from 1 to 6 and the secret worlds have a ?. As I also found out, the first secret world is called W-Mushroom, and it´s a pink world with white outlined Mushrooms in the background, with a few levels, many Toad houses and a castle,where Larry Koopa is the boss. You get there, if you complete the Dash Mario level in world 1. Also the fourth world is the snow world. (The fourth video)

More and more information
Morton Koopa Jr is the boss of world 4, which is a snow world and the 5th world is a mix between sky and mountain worlds.Could anybody please update the NSMB2 site with all the new information rolling in?


 * You really should back your information up with valid sources, otherwise it can't be put into articles.
 * Oh yeah sorry, I forgot. I put valid sources in my other entry at least :P

Enemies
I was expecting Chain Chomps, Monty Moles, and Venus Fire Traps. Any sign of them being in the game?

There was just a glimpse of Chain Chomps being seen in one of the websites, I think the NA one, where it could just barely be seen in the Gold Block power-up video. Not sure about the others, though. MarioComix (talk) 18:58, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

K, I'll add it.

Oops, they already did.

NEW artwork
In the just released Japan version of the game there was a small tricks and attacks poster similar to Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 3d Land. Images include Mario carrying a koopa shell and Luigi in a bubble. it also came with a mini poster similar to the one in the new super mario bros wii trading card tins with solo art of silver Luigi, broken blocks, buzzy beatles and pirahna plants, it all takes place in an under ground level. And the Back of the cover is slightly different than the US back cover. I'll have More info...

Source? If you want us to upload it we need to know where we can get it.

Youtube: NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 UNBOXING (it is the japan version)by (user) "thatvideogamegirl"

Please sign your comments as well. But that doesn't help to much. I thought it was artwork like in the gallery. We may have to have someone scan that or wait till we can get that. We don't want bad qaulity art.

Something to be added to the trivia section
Whenever Mario is in Raccoon form, a musical beat is added to the background. It's done similarly to the drum noise that plays when riding Yoshi in most games. --KirbySuperstarUltra (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

Order of Worlds
Shouldn't the worlds (and their bosses) be listed in the order they're accessible? World Mushroom is accessed from World 1 as an alternative to World 2 and World Flower is accessible from World 3 as an alternative to World 4. Pokemega32 (talk) 10:04, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Release
It appears that Italy gets it later than the rest of Europe. Why is that? Usually the delay is because of the multitude of European languages that the game needs to be finished translating into, but usually it's on the same day in all of Europe... Pink_Boozooka I know I'm nitpicky, but shouldn't Italy's date on the list come right after the rest of Europe, considering it's in the same region?

Saving in Multiplayer
If you do multiplayer, is the progress saved to both players or just player 1? KoopaKiller13 (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

Returning Enemies
Please add Firebars and Para Bob-ombs to the "Returning Enemies" list. They are in the game. Also, did Fire Bros. accidently get deleted? Please re-add it. Thanks.