User talk:Tailikku1

Hi! Great edits so far! If you are trying to add a "Names in other languages" section, take note that the section goes usually directly before the trivia section. Anyway, I hope you enjoy your stay! :) 02:19, 9 September 2014 (EDT)

Names
Hello. I've noticed most of your contributions have been moving pages or adding foreign names. The wiki's staff has recently pushed for better and more consistent sourcing for names so if you could provide references for future contributions (and, if possible, provide sources for previous contributions), that'd be p. cool. --Glowsquid (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2014 (EST)

SMB3 World names
Hey, just to let you know, we've had a proposal about which set of names to use, and have agreed to use the "Land" names as seen in the most recent release of Super Mario Bros. 3, that being the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console releases. So unless a proposal passes that has us change back to the other names, please don't move them.

-Toa 95 (talk)


 * As the one who made that proposal, I should also mention that after it was settled, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U used Pipe Land as the name of World 7 rather than Pipe Maze in the "Pipe" trophy...which probably means it might be a bit of a while before a revert can be legitimately reconsidered. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2014 (EST)


 * Even so, the "Land" names are too generic and only touch upon the theme of the world, while the unique names are more widespread, descriptive, and are the true original names due to being in the PRG0 carts compared to the "Land" names coming from the PRG1 revision that was the basis of the Virtual Console version. If anything the trophy was referring to the Virtual Console version and not the original version.--Tailikku1 (talk) 00:26, 21 December 2014 (EST)
 * Tailikku, I am sorry to say, even if they are generic, they are official. The words of one user don't change the way it stands. I myself agree with you, and if you feel strongly about this, you can start a proposal (See proposal under community), and I will surely support you.Toad-brigade model CTTT.png Toad   and his brigade! Toadette model CTTT.png 00:32, 21 December 2014 (EST)
 * Depends on what you mean by "true original". LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Foreign References
Hey, I think it's great that you're adding Japanese names to some of the articles! However, I should let you know that the decision to include proper citations for official names also extends to any additional names in other languages. If you're using a manual/guide, game or website, be sure to include it in your edit (if using the latter, make sure it's a reputable source; if former, then at least a page number). The reference for those names may not be obvious to some users, so leaving it uncited may unfortunately run the risk of someone eventually removing it. The effort is very appreciated, though, so keep this in mind and continue contributing! LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:43, 30 January 2015 (EST)
 * What he said. Foreign names are held to the same standard of sourcings as regular ones. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2015 (EST)

Big Scorper
There are still some unresolved matters in regards to the Sandworm/Big Scorper. Before making any other edits, keep the article as it was at the start and continue the discussion.

Akoya Kai
Hello there! Could I ask you where you found the name for Akoya Kai? Considering the article currently doesn't have a source, it'd probably be helpful if you could provide one.
 * It was from the Japanese Wikipedia page. Before you go telling me that it's an unreliable source, it actually is a reliable source; I have seen another website (West Mansion) use that same site to annalyze the plot of the 16-bit Splatterhouse games.  The reason for this is that unlike the English one, it requires an account to make edits and it is linked to the official (and still functioning) sites. --Tailikku1 (talk) 08:41, 10 April 2015 (EDT)
 * But a wiki in and of itself is never a good source to begin with unless it can adequately back itself up (and even then, it's only as good as the sources it uses, which is why Mario Wiki strives to be next to Nintendo). It doesn't matter if there are more pages that claim to be protected - we've already seen enough examples where Japanese Wikipedia misspells or misinforms. In my experience, a general, broad wiki is also more prone to less meticulous fact-checking. Looking at the West Mansion site in question, they provide manual scans, and when they do resort to wiki research, they say up front that it's not necessarily 100%. Moreover - even if they didn't, we shouldn't go by what other websites from entirely different fandoms do, as Mario Wiki has its own set of rules and expectations. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:25, 10 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Just a question, Tailikku: how many names did you change while using the JP Wikipedia as a source?
 * The ones from DK64 and a few from WL2/3. Although some of the Wario Land examples can be backed up by the Japanese Encyclopedia cite.
 * Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with LTL on this one: a fansite is a fansite. For a long time, this wiki used to only allow accounts to edit, but that didn't mean everything was 100% accurate. If anything, the policies were a lot looser than they are now, meaning that a lot of things went by that wouldn't be allowed today. Besides that, I looked at the Japanese Wikipedia page, and there is not a single source for any of their names. Using it itself as a source is simply not a good idea.
 * If you do not reply in disagreement, I will take actions in order to revert your name changes, as they are seemingly just as conjectural as the names that were there before and are better off being in English.
 * I disagree--Tailikku1 (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2015 (EDT)
 * ...Could you go into more detail as to why you disagree?
 * If you do not give a legitimate reason as to why you disagree, I will take actions in order to revert your changes.
 * Like I said, I was following the example that was set up by West Mansion. And the Japanese Wikipedia is again more accurate than the English counterpart--Tailikku1 (talk) 19:43, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * LTL already told you that West Mansion handles things that are completely sourced and gives warnings otherwise, while you're simply assuming that everything is true. "Unsourced" is the keyword: the JP wiki is not sourced in any regard, which I have made explicitly clear,and I have explained to you exactly why it being "more accurate" is bunk. Can you say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the names on the JP wiki are confirmed by official sources?

"the Japanese Wikipedia is again more accurate than the English counterpart"

I especially find odd you'd try to play that card when LinkTheLefty provided multiple examples of it being innacurate on this very section. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

Tailikku, you have failed to substantiate these names besides the fact that they're from the JP Wikipedia, which, as mentioned plenty of times, is not a valid source in the slightest. Edits that you've made to mainspace articles in regards to making Wikipedia-centric name changes will be reverted. Unless you can provided a clear-cut source, this isn't negotiable.
 * The Japanese rom for Wario Land 2; Supports my spelling for the WL2 stages.--Tailikku1 (talk) 08:52, 22 April 2015 (EDT)
 * And the easily-viewable videos of people playing it supported my numerous corrections. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2015 (EDT)
 * I have sent a message to the Japanese page to verify their references. --Tailikku1 (talk) 15:14, 25 April 2015 (EDT)


 * Dammit. I am such an idiot!  The Akoya Kai enemies alrwady have an official name in the Nintendo Power guide:  Oysters.  --Tailikku1 (talk) 14:06, 27 April 2015 (EDT)

Names in other languages placement
Hey, just to let you know if you're putting a "Name in other languages" section in, it is always placed above the "Trivia" header.

Reminder
You're not allowed to remove another user's comment unless it's spam or flaming. 09:15, 21 August 2015 (EDT)

2nd Notice for your edited Japanese translations
Referring to Viper26's Reminder, you have to try being more careful in adding translations of your non-mother-tongue language. And it wasn't an insult, so be patient. Goolgenerade (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2015 (EDT)

Edit warring
Before either you or Goolgenerade revert any more of each other's edits, talk it out. No offense, I was able to replicate most of your translations by feeding the Japanese text through Google Translate, but I won't make any assumptions just yet; still, constantly redoing and undoing edits between another user isn't acceptable. One of you should go to the other's talk page and sort things out.


 * Obvious proof of Google Translate usage:
 * The phrase "フィルタードカソーディック" Firutādo Kasōdikku is the English words 'filtered cathodic' spoken in Japanese, as can be seen from the rōmaji.
 * However it seems to have tripped up Google Translate's word-splitting, and Google Translate currently gives it as "Filtered cathodic saw Dick", splitting it as Firutā/doKa/sō/dikku, which is obviously senseless...
 * But if you pronounce it, that works out as 'filtered cathodicthodic', so where did the extra words come from?
 * Presumably it was originally even worse, and someone contributed a correction of 'filtered cathodic' for (at a guess) 'filtere dca saw dick', and Google's faulty word splits led it to misconstrue 'dca' as being the part that means 'cathodic' alone.
 * Naturally, outside of Google Translate there is nothing to support 'dca' meaning 'cathodic', so the only way this could have happened is if the contributor was actually using Google translate. Bing and Babelfish translators both correctly identify フィルタードカソーディック as filtered cathodic, and while excite gives it as 'Filtered mosquito Thor Dick', it has no issue with ドカドカ.
 * Because of issues such as these, Google translate is not a reliable source for translation and may never be, especially when it comes down to words which may not have a 1-to-1 relationship between languages. There are many other examples, but I would recommend not relying on machine translation in future. While I have only been newly introduced to this row, it is likely because of contributing obvious problems such as "Cathodic" here that you have upset Goolgenerade. Bluesun (talk) 13:42, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Because of issues such as these, Google translate is not a reliable source for translation and may never be, especially when it comes down to words which may not have a 1-to-1 relationship between languages. There are many other examples, but I would recommend not relying on machine translation in future. While I have only been newly introduced to this row, it is likely because of contributing obvious problems such as "Cathodic" here that you have upset Goolgenerade. Bluesun (talk) 13:42, 6 October 2015 (EDT)

Reply to your comment
A Japanese translation in "Order Up" is not a main problem. The problem is that your translations are too literal so they can cause native Japanese people misunderstanding. Therefore sometimes interpreting: looser translations are better. Like this. Plus, some translations such as "Barrel Baron", "Robirdo", and more had been completely wrong. Anyway you have to confirm your non-native Japanese skill. By the way what are your mother tongues? Goolgenerade (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
 * English with four years worth of experience of Japanese and a semester of French. --Tailikku1 (talk) 19:49, 21 August 2015 (EDT)

Yoshi's Story
If you don't mind me asking, what's your source for Blindfold Boo's Japanese name?
 * From the game when set to Japanese. --Tailikku1 (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
 * I wasn't aware that Yoshi's Story had a list of enemies in-game. I thought there'd only be level names and the occasional message box to draw names from. Could you tell me where the name shows up?
 * I guess I was mistaken. I thought it was in one of the Hint Boxes in Ghost Castle, but it turns out that it's just a description of the "ghosts".  If anything I think it may have come from the page for Boo Man's Bluff seeing that they are the same species. --Tailikku1 (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
 * Since you don't seem to know where you got the name from, I'll ask you bluntly: did you get the name from the Japanese Wikipedia? The name you posted matches exactly what an earlier user poster, who freely admitted to grabbing the name from Wikipedia.
 * Actually it was from the afforementioned YI enemy 16:50, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
 * And what about the other enemies, like Lava Ghost, Puffer, elly Ghost, Teehee Butterfly, and others. All of these names match with the ones from the JP Wikipedia.
 * Some from the JP Wikipedia, some from the game itself, and "Flare Bubble" was already on this site.--Tailikku1 (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

Warning
You've already been told quite clearly that Wikipedia is not a reliable source by several people, but you still continue to use it. In the future, I would highly recommend citing any Japanese name that you insert into articles, since your reliance on bad sources puts every name that you've added in suspicion. Remove any names that you took from Wikipedia immediately and cite the remaining ones.
 * Please, add references to the other names as soon as possible if Snorkle Fish and Attacky Sack are the only ones from Wikipedia.
 * Since you're continuing on other projects without having added any references to the other names, let me make this clear: all of your edits for Yoshi's Story JP names are suspect. If you do not add references, I will assume that they are not from a reliable source and remove them.
 * If it helps, I will remove most of them, save for Black Shy Guy (said by an Info Box ingame), Bone Dragon (level title), and the Centipede (Japanese title for Frustration)

WARNING

 * I'm sorry but now I have to warn you about your inappropriate attitude and behavior in adding Japanese translations. Admit that you have got INFERIOR Japanese skill to natives, do not violate MarioWiki rules, and try not to swear within. Goolgenerade (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
 * What swearing, and what inferior skills? What you need to do is suck in your pride and admit that you're wrong.--Tailikku1 (talk) 10:52, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
 * If you feel that this warning is unjust, you are free to appeal it at Appeals.
 * I have the form filled out, where do I submit it though?
 * Under the "Cases" section on the main page and not its talk page.

The admins agreed to overturn the Warning since most of your translations were perfectly fine and following policy. The only exception is that the literal translation should be provided, rather than just stating "literal translation", as it's clearer and more consistent with the vast majority of non-literal translations, plus it's actually backwards to say the Japanese names are the translations at all, as they usually came first, and the English is what was translated from them. (The only times it really makes sense to only state a name's derived from a different one are cases like this where things are being transliterated - so it's just sounds, no real translation to try and give at all. There's also cases (like in that same example link) where it makes sense to say when something's a translation of the Japanese name instead of a very-different English name in addition to an English translation, especially when onomatopoeia are involved.) But that minor quibble is only deserving of an informal f.y.i. message (like this one here), so again, the Warning was inappropriate. However, I do advise you to avoid being quite so accusatory, even when you are understandably frustrated with someone, as it can come back and bite you, as was attempted here. And in general, it's better to contact an admin directly when someone's antagonizing you, rather than commenting on your aggressor's talk page: it's more than likely to just make things worse and could even make you look bad. - 12:38, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

Reminder
Be sure to mark small edits like yours as minor with the checkbox above the save page button. 08:25, 6 October 2015 (EDT)

Last Warning
I've had my suspicions for a while, but Bluesun's comment confirms it: you have been using Google Translate for at least some of your edits, which is absolutely unacceptable. You didn't comment on it when I mentioned it before, nor did you comment on it when Bluesun mention it. You also undid several of Goolgenerade's edits without any listed reason despite already receiving notices about your edit war (which also includes when he changed the capitalization of the section, which was absolutely valid and should not have been changed in any caseespecially when it was the only thing he changed); it really seems that you undid his edits solely out of spite. You've already admitted to using unreliable sources in the past, but this is the last straw: stop this edit war and only use trustworthy sources, or you will be banned.
 * I'm also going to ask you to remove any and all of your translations that were done through Google Translate or any other online translator. It'd be preferable if you stop adding any other translations and remove the faulty ones immediately.


 * I'm going to emphasize the severity of the situation here: if you do not acknowledge your wrongdoing and start removing your fake Japanese translations (just leave the JapM= inputs blank) within your next few edits, you will be blocked, same as if you add any more machine-made translations. So far, you've been let off easy from the edit-warring with Goolgenerade because he flames you as part of them, but you were never completely blameless, and the fact that you were faking your translations the whole time just undermines any high ground you had altogether. Frankly, you're both becoming more trouble than you're worth, and if you're not gonna fix your mistakes, there is no reason to let you continue editing at all right now. - 13:33, 19 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I understand that I have resorted to using Google Translate, but I have also pulled translations form a dictionary I have on my desk.--Tailikku1 (talk) 13:21, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Regardless, you used Google Translate and that's inexcusable. As you have been told multiple times, all of your edits should now be dedicated to removing those machine translations. You will be blocked if you continue to do anything other than remove them.