Talk:Captain Toad

Same as Toad Brigade Captain
Why is it written here that the Captain Toad from 3D World is a different character than the one from the Galaxy games? They look exactly the same, have almost the exact same names, both appear in 3D Platfomers, the whole Toad Brigade appears in the ending of 3D World and his Galaxy theme plays in the Captain Toad levels of 3D World (and their purpose is the same too: They help to collect Stars).

He's OBVIOUSLY intended to be the same character as the one from the Galaxy games. Only change is the name, which is barely changed (1 word was removed and the rest switched). By this logic should we consider the Queen Bee from the Galaxy games to be a different character than the one from Mario Kart 7 because she's named "Honey Queen" there?

The info about the Brigade Captain needs to be merged into this article. There is literally no reason why they should be seperate (if there is then I'd gladly want someone to tell me).

It's not like this is the only time Nintendo has changed a character's name.

Besides both the Super Mario 3D World and Toad Brigade articles refer to them as the same person so why doesn't this article? it just makes no sense! User:MarioMaster720


 * Take a look at this Talk Page Proposal, and the section below it.


 * 00:45, 18 December 2013 (EST)

This is true, these guys are the same, this is exactly like the Green Stars dispute and is why i'm losing faith in Super Mario Wiki. -444MarioSonic 12/23/2013

If Blue Toad from Super Mario 3D World is indeed Toad, that doesn't mean this Toad isn't the same character from Galaxy
This is just silly guys, HE IS THE SAME CHARACTER, THEY HAVE THE SAME THEME SONG. So what if his appearence and name were slightly altered, Nintendo does that often. In fact, Nintendo JUST changed Toad's colors for Super Mario 3D World. Also, what says that the Toad Brigade Captain from Super Mario Galaxy is THE toad? There are plenty of other toads roaming around the mushroom kingdom. I didn't see a single reference in Galaxy that made it seem like the Toad Brigade Captain was the quintessential Toad, I think the Galaxy info should be added to this article and Toad simply doesn't appear in galaxy. (Although there are plenty of Toads with blue vests that would fill his role better than the Toad Brigade Captain...) User:Mariosonic444
 * If you disagree, you can make a TPP in a week or so to overturn that decision 15:27, 26 December 2013 (EST)

What is a TPP? (I don't usually participate in discussions) user:mariosonic444


 * It's assumed throughout the wiki that the "Toad Brigade Captain" is actually the character Toad. However, in Super Mario 3D World, the blue Toad has been officially confirmed to be the character Toad. Therefore this Captain Toad shouldn't believed to be the same as the Toad Brigade Captain because the role of the character Toad has already been filled.


 * 20:21, 28 December 2013 (EST)

Excuse me, exactly WHERE in Super Mario Galaxy is the Toad Brigade Captain referred to as THE Toad?

user:mariosonic444


 * I believe "assumed" is the key word in YoshiKong's comment. It likely has something to do with his role as the leader of the Brigade and being the most adventurous, traits easily ascribable to THE Toad. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2013 (EST)

I already gave my piece of mind about this on Blue Toad's talk page, and I'll say it again. I find it a stretch that Toad Brigade Captain and Captain Toad would be a different person just because we believe Toad Brigade Captain is The Toad, who himself is the SM3DW Toad. I'd like to adress YoshiKong with this: Did you ever read it further than the bolded out of these quotes from the Iwata Asks section?

''Koizumi: Talking about cuteness reminded me of how Toad used to look pretty plain, but because he gets cat ears this time his looks cuter overall. That and with how he can quickly dash around, I think he turned into an incredibly appealing character.

''Iwata: Yeah. It may be rude to his fans to say it like this, but Toad is a surprisingly popular character.''

''Koizumi: Right. There's even gameplay this time that features Toad.''

Hayashida: Taking a cue from Mario Galaxy, there are games called "Captain Toad's Adventure," in which Captain Toad appears with his memorable little tune that goes "ta-dada-da-, ta-dada-da-".

In this part of the interview we have both SM3DW Toad and Captain Toad referred to as "Toad", but "Captain Toad" is also mentioned when making a comment about his tune. You know, the one we heard many times when meeting Toad Brigade Captain. And now its Captain Toad's theme. It's thus legit to say that the two are the same, and it's acknowledged by the developers themselves.

And before you guys say anything, I know how this would affect the articles if we were to assume for this to be true. We'd have to stop believing that The Toad is not Toad Brigade Captain, because in this case it would mean he would also be Captain Toad. That in turn wouldn't match with this wiki's current statement that The Toad is also SM3DW Toad, because he would be two characters in the same game. Personally, I never believed that The Toad is Toad Brigade Captain, and as such I'd say if Toad Brigade Captain's is moved to Captain Toad's page, we could at least leave a small mention of The Toad being referenced in Super Mario Galaxy games. SmokedChili (talk) 05:12, 30 December 2013 (EST)
 * Edit: Removed the link in my previous post. SmokedChili (talk) 05:49, 30 December 2013 (EST)

in fact the Spanish version still name it as "Jefe de Cuadrilla Toad" which in English means "Toad Brigade Captain" I think we should move the information of the Toad from Super Mario Galaxy here

The Toad Brigade Captain was never ever referred to as THE Toad, and I'm frankly surprised anyone thought it was THE Toad. Didn't he talk as if he hadn't met Mario before? And his colour scheme wasn't even the same. The information should be merged here ASAP, it seems silly to even argue about it, they're obviously the same guy.

As for THE Toad, I think the problem is that in most games, Toad is like Yoshi, it's hard to tell which one is THE Toad, or if there even IS one. The blue Toad is the closest they've come to having a consistent look for a single playable Toad character (and is a throwback to SMB2). Fizzle (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2014 (EST)
 * Agreed, I don't even think The Toad is Toad Brigade Captain. However, we do have this policy that everything official stated is canon, and this apparently means anyone with the generic Toad profile (which can only be used for The Toad) is The Toad. And yet we have a trading card of The Toad in Super Mario Galaxy. SmokedChili (Talk) (Thoughts) 14:40, 3 January 2014 (EST)