MarioWiki:Proposals

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Change "NS" to "Switch"
I saw that the official Nintendo website officially has Nintendo Switch abbreviated "Switch". I wonder if the abbreviation "NS" is an error? I'm going to make a proposal for the change just in case the official Nintendo website is right (which are most cases is).


 * All files with "NS" on their names should be renamed to have "NS" be replaced with "Switch".
 * Similarly, all files with "LANS" on their names should be renamed to have "LANS" be replaced with "LA Switch".
 * The template "" should be renamed " ".
 * The, , , and templates should all have the word "NS" replaced with "Switch".
 * The template should have the game system code "NS" replaced with "Switch".
 * The template should have have the codes "ns" and "nsdl" replaced by "switch" and "switchdl", respectively.
 * The template should have have the codes "nspro", "nsgcn", "nsnes", "nssnes", and "nsn64" replaced by "switchpro", "switchgcn", "switchnes", "switchsnes", and "switchn64", respectively.

Proposer: Deadline: August 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) easier to understand in my opinion, people who aren't familiar with it being referred to as "NS" will have to spend time trying to find what the actual code is, basically, its less specific and more simple, its just the name rather than an abbreviation, so its easier to understand.
 * 3) Per all, and I'm kinda surprised this was not proposed earlier.


 * 1) I believe "Switch" is better. Though there probably should be another proposal dealing with this naming anarchy. GameCube's template is called "GCN" while Wii U's "Wii U", Game & Watch is "Game & Watch".

Oppose

 * 1) I would be in support of this proposal if it weren't for the filename part. It is completely unnecessary to gatekeeper every single filename across this wiki simply because it uses the "wrong" abbreviation; plenty of filenames for GameCube related material use "GC" or "GameCube" instead of "GCN" for their filenames and I don't see anyone arguing about those. It's too late by now to edit the proposal but I simply don't like the precedence of  renaming reasonable non-jokey filenames simply because they don't use the "official" abbreviation/name/whatever.
 * 2) Pretty much per Somethingone, cancel and recreate a proposal with the filename part removed, and I'll happily vote in support.
 * 3) Unless Porplebot could handle it, this looks like it would be more trouble than it's worth.
 * 4) Per Somethingone and the folks in the comments.
 * 5) Per Somethingone.
 * 6) This could honestly go either way, at least until Nintendo gives us an official stance to work with.
 * 7) Per all.

Comments
The inner data of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass refer their courses with the abbreviation "nsw" (Nintendo Switch) as the platform code, as noted here. Probably not the most accurate thing because some of the abbreviations are only used for the Japanese versions of Mario Kart, and then there's also just "u" for the original Wii U courses, but "nsw" is one of the few official abbreviations we got for the Nintendo Switch regardless, so that's some food for thought. Arend (talk) 07:15, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

Can there be an option to do this without having to rename every file that uses the abbreviation? That feels excessive to me. -- 13:04, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

I agree with Waluigi Time. I'd support this proposal if it didn't suggest renaming every single file with the "NS" abbreviation. Renaming the templates is easy, but searching for and adjusting every filename is far more trouble than it's worth. 17:30, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

I also agree with Waluigi Time. Renaming every filename usage of "NS" to "Switch" just feels like gatekeeping what filenames can use in them. I don't see anyone arguing if filenames should use "GCN", "NGC", "GC", "Nintendo GameCube", or "GameCube" for all GameCube related file names. 17:50, August 22, 2022 (EDT)

I went ahead and made these changes, excluding the filenames. -- 10:32, August 23, 2022 (EDT)
 * Welp, I guess that makes this proposal pretty much pointless now, since the changes everyone agreed should be made are now already made. Unless one wants to support changing the filenames too. Or if someone wants to use "nsw" instead like I explained earlier. Arend (talk) 14:56, August 23, 2022 (EDT)

Merge unrelated to Mario objects and items in the Smash Bros. series
Good evening!

Smash Bros. series features plenty of items and objects. Most of these objects have nothing to do with Mario, and it honestly feels like reading Zelda Wiki while browsing through these wonderful articles, considering the actual amount of Mario-related objects and items is really small. Even though most of them really do not fit into Mario Wiki, there is a sizable opposition to outright removing them, which is understandable. I propose we merge (not remove!) items and objects from the Smash Bros. series that have otherwise nothing to do with Mario into two list articles: and. They really feel out of place, especially after previous cut-cut-cut [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51#Smash_Bros._Articles:_What_Stays_and_What_Goes? proposals] have passed.

Q: Why don't we merge them into list articles for each game (such as "List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate objects")?

A: As it turned out, the Smash Bros. series doesn't have that many objects that are exclusive to one game: most of them recur from one game to the other, it would just be repetition in most cases.

I've also compiled a list of affected articles by this proposal, from which I've also removed several gray area entries that somewhat relate to the Mario series one way or the other. The excluded entries (example: Party Ball (item)) can always be dealt with individually at a later date, as I believe they fall out of the scale of this proposal and what it's trying to achieve. Note that I do not consider an item changing color to red if Mario holds it a good justification to keep an article. This proposal also does not target the remaining enemy articles, most of which were merged a long time ago.


 * [!] If you disagree with an entry in List M for whatever reason, leave a comment in the "Comments" section and I'll remove it from the list.

If this proposal passes, the following changes will be implemented:
 * All items and objects that lack connections to the Mario series will be merged into two list articles
 * If a connection is found or introduced to a Mario universe, the page can always be easily reinstated
 * Several seemingly unrelated to Mario gray area objects and items pages are intentionally excluded from the List M
 * Merging the pages shouldn't erase information either

List M
It may seem like a lot, but it really isn't.


 * Flipper (Balloon Fight)
 * Orange cube
 * Master Ball
 * Sandbag
 * Target
 * Back Shield
 * Beam Sword
 * Banana Gun
 * Arwing
 * Beastball
 * Beetle (item)
 * Black Hole (item)
 * Blast Box
 * Bunny Hood
 * Bomber
 * Bombchu
 * Capsule (Super Smash Bros. series)
 * Cucco (wasnt merged with Smash Run enemies previously only because it's an item)
 * Fairy Bottle
 * Pellet
 * Falcon Flyer
 * Drill (item)
 * Dragoon
 * Deku Nut
 * Death's Scythe
 * Daybreak
 * Fake Smash Ball
 * Franklin Badge
 * Gooey Bomb
 * Gust Bellows
 * Killing Edge
 * Killer Eye
 * Home-Run Bat
 * Hocotate Ship
 * Heart Container
 * Healing Sprout
 * Healing Field
 * Pitfall
 * Mr. Saturn
 * Ore Club
 * Motion-Sensor Bomb
 * Maxim Tomato
 * Master Ball
 * Lip's Stick (suggested to also be included in the list by User:7feetunder. Add a comment if you disagree with its inclusion)
 * Pok%C3%A9 Ball
 * Ramblin' Evil Mushroom
 * Rage Blaster
 * Ray Gun
 * Rolling Crate (even Smash Wiki has crates merged. We don't)
 * Rocket Belt
 * Screw Attack
 * Smash Ball
 * Special Flag
 * Smoke Ball
 * Subspace Bomb
 * Food
 * Steel Diver
 * X Bomb
 * Warp Star
 * Timer (item)
 * Superspicy Curry
 * Smash Skiff
 * Smash Coin
 * Pleiades (even Smash Bros. wiki has it merged, it serves ZERO in-game functionality, no proposal should even be needed to have it merged.)
 * Parasol (as suggested by User:Ray Trace, it could redirect to Peach's Parasol)
 * Cloaking Device
 * Fan (Super Smash Bros. series)
 * Smart Bomb
 * Team Healer
 * Cracker Launcher
 * Stock Ball
 * Trophy Stand
 * Staff (Kid Icarus)

Notable excluded entries
These pages will remain untouched if the proposal passes. Note that this isn't a full list, just the more notable pages:


 * Cargo
 * Star Rod (Kirby)
 * Sticker (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)

That's about it. As I said above, if you disagree with a certain entry, I can exclude it from the list, there's always a good chance I've missed something.

Proposer: Deadline: August 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Merge the List M entries

 * 1) Mario Wiki
 * 2) As someone who has always been pro-trimming in regards to Smash coverage, per proposal.
 * 3) Ceterum autem censeo Smash Bros esse delenda
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) Per proposal, I am definitely supportive of trimming more non-Mario Smash coverage.
 * 7) I honestly prefer this list idea over any other idea, as not only does it help cut down on our Smash bloat but it also helps us preserve the information at the same time.
 * 8) I'm all for removing tenuously-related Smash articles. Per proposal.
 * 9) Per proposal.
 * 10) No objections here either. (Honestly though, I thought Timer was part of the Stop Watch article already.)

Comments
Why is Lip's Stick excluded? AFAIK its only relation to Mario is that it was in a game that became a Mario game; it doesn't actually have anything to do with Mario. It's not like we have an article on Lip, and even our article on Panel de Pon itself was merged with Tetris Attack via proposal. 17:06, August 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * I've included it on the list along with a few other cameo-only items and objects appearances. Have a look and reply if you disagree with some new entries, I still have two days to edit the list. Spectrogram (talk) 11:30, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

Parasol should have honestly been reworked in the first place, so in case of a move to a redirect, the page should probably redirect to Peach's Parasol. 17:38, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

Question: how would the list articles look like? Would it be a standard table-with-text list or would we make it like the Subspace Army page where the articles are turned into page segments complete with images and NIOLs? Also, it seems that Mr. Saturn does appear as an unlockable costume in SMM, so how would that information be moved? Other than that, I like this approach at remodeling our Smash coverage. 11:37, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * Great questions! I think the way Subspace Army enemies are listed is a better way to approach this situation. When it comes to the Mario Maker costumes, all of them are already covered at Costume Mario, including Mr. Saturn. Spectrogram (talk) 11:41, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * Yes, but I personally feel like the fact that Mr. Saturn appears as a costume in SMM is enough to exclude it by this proposal's standards, especially since the only reason the Star Rod from Kirby is excluded is because it appears as an item in one issue of Super Mario-kun. 11:48, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * Good point. I'll exclude it from the list, as well as Arwing for the exact same reason. Spectrogram (talk) 11:53, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

"Yes, but I personally feel like the fact that Mr. Saturn appears as a costume in SMM is enough to exclude it by this proposal's standards,"

I don't. We previously established appearances in stuff like WarioWare microgames or other crossovers wasn't enough to give characters like Mother Brain their own page, and also that the Costume Mario appearances are too insubstantial to warrant separate articles. The Star Rod stuff is different, because it's actually plot relevant to that Mario-kun volume. --Glowsquid (talk) 12:28, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * Fair point. 12:50, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * Should I readd the two excluded entries back into the List M? Spectrogram (talk) 12:54, August 20, 2022 (EDT)
 * I mean it's your proposal. Though my personal opinion would be "yes". --Glowsquid (talk) 13:00, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

I assume the F-Zero Racers aren't on this list because of Mario-related comic cameos. In that case, would the Arwing's cameo in Super Mario RPG be sufficient to keep the article? It does seem a touch more notable than the Wolfen. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:59, August 21, 2022 (EDT)
 * I didn't know this article even existed, but from what it seems it can just barely qualify to not be included in this proposal. It is now too late to change the list anyway. Spectrogram (talk) 01:29, August 22, 2022 (EDT)
 * It appears to play a role in the story, even though it's somewhat minor. We can organize a new TPP if this one passes. Spectrogram (talk) 09:14, August 23, 2022 (EDT)

Decide what to do with Greenhouse
Good morning!

Recently, a proposal has passed, aiming to trim non-Mario Game & Watch coverage (and yes, I'm aware the changes have not yet been implemented). This proposal notably excluded Greenhouse, as despite not being a Mario game, it features a character Stanley the Bugman who later plays a major role in Donkey Kong 3, makes cameo appearances in WarioWare series, and Smash Bros. series. He also appears in the episode Greenhouse Gorilla.

Stanley did not appear in any other non-Mario media. So the way I see it, either Greenhouse is in or out. Here are three options:


 * 1) Part of the Mario franchise. The wiki considers this game a part of the Mario series, which results in the game receiving full coverage.


 * 2) Not a Mario game. The Greenhouse article gets the same treatment as all other Game & Watch titles, according to this proposal, resulting in the article getting trimmed.


 * 3) Classify as "historically significant". Or as I call it, keep the status quo. The game gets classified as "historically significant", according to Coverage. Greenhouse does not get full coverage, but the page itself will not be trimmed.

Proposer: Deadline: September 2, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Part of the franchise

 * 1) Second option. I just don't see a reason to cut an already sparse article.

Historically significant

 * 1) I'd say this counts at minimum. Not only did Stanley and his spray debut here, but the game also has a similar premise in effectively the same setting (minus Kong) and even includes Buzzbees and prototypical versions of Creepy and the Donkey Kong 3 flowers.

Comments
I have given this topic some thought of the past few months and came up with the same options. All three are valid in my opinion. I also came up with a more radical and perhaps controversial fourth option. There exists a Stanley franchise within the Mario franchise, which consists of only four games: Green House, DK3, its G&W counterpart, and Dai Gyakushū. Nintendo had some sort of plan to grow Stanley into a more prominent character but it was curtailed when DK3 flopped.--Platform (talk) 11:50, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
 * This might be reaching, but could Super Donkey have been evidence of a failed "Stanley" franchise? On a related note, Greenhouse should properly be "Green House" per its most recent release (I know the microgame is technically newer, but microgames are separate subjects and thus allowed to have their own titles, otherwise for game articles we'd be accepting "Mario Brothers", "Mario Adv.", "Zelda", etc). LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:23, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
 * The Super Donkey protagonist reminds me of Mr. You from , who also fought gorillas.--Platform (talk) 13:30, August 26, 2022 (EDT)

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