MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Expand Radio conversation characters to cover Palutena's Guidance and rename accordingly (Discuss) Passed
 * Split Crystal King and Crystal Bit (Discuss) Passed
 * Split from Banana (Discuss) Deadline: August 29, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Add direct links on star icons for 64/Galaxy/Galaxy 2
I random'd to a SMG galaxy page earlier today, and rolled over the star icon; clicking would have led me to the file page. So, I got an idea: add direct links to their respective stars. This idea came from the map that exists on pages like this which provide a direct page link to that location. What I mean is that clicking on a star icon in the "summary box," as I call it, would take the reader to the section they are looking for, making the need for excessive scrolling nonexistent.

Proposer: Deadline: August 30, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) As proposer, I support my proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) - You mean the stars in the infobox? Making them section links seems like too much trouble when the table of contents listing the levels is literally right beside them. Plus, a row of stars is not the same thing as a full map, and wouldn't really help folks that are bad at names but good at visuals anyway (not that I even like that the maps are plastered onto every place article to begin with, tbh: it'd make sense for the game pages and maybe a couple other places, but we should just use the regular nav template link lists on the separate articles, imo).
 * 2) – There's already links to them directly above, even directly above in the case of Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS, the list of stars. This applies to all Super Mario 64, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 level articles. I also don't understand why adding more links to something which is easily accessible by just eyeing a little bit above the list of stars is ultimately going to add to articles.
 * 3) Per all, and I'd even agree with Walkazo about the map links being unnecessary.
 * 4) I don't think it's necessary as stated above, but adding links would be an inconsequential change, which means we probably wouldn't have noticed if you added it without our "permission" or not. Considering that if this proposal passes, though, we need to add the links. I oppose just on those grounds. On a different topic, yeah, I agree with Walkazo about those maps (navmaps, I believe?) since they seem disjointed from the rest of the article.
 * 5) I really see no benefit to doing this. Per all.

Comments
I'm withdrawing; please archive. Thanks!

Add 'Edit' Button To Navigation Templates
Yes, I know, we've already had a proposal about this, but my views on the subject have changed. Sometimes, when I want to improve on a navigation template, like adding a link or fixing a redirect link, I first need to hit edit of the page I find the navigation template at, find the name of the template, then find the name of that template in the list of templates listed when you're editing the page, and that's just plain tedious. The reason it failed was because "you should have multiple steps away from editing a Navitagion Template", and wording which generally reflected on assuming bad faith in edits.

"But if we add this, then there will be too much vandalism to fight." –You, after reading this.

This line of reasoning is nonsensical on so many layers it's not even funny. If we assume there is going to be vandalism just because we make something easier to access, then are we really assuming edits are made in good faith? It's downright disgusting that this is even something that's being thought of. Yes, this is something that other Wikis do. It's something other Wikis do better than the Super Mario Wiki does at this moment. Therefore, we need to step our game up, and upgrade past this "if we make things easier to access then everyone will edit stuff and this is bad"-kind of think that ultimately assumes editing in bad faith. Besides, if someone vandalises a navigation template, and there is an 'edit' button when you view the template as part of a page, it's going to be slightly easier to access the template and revert any vandalism done to the template, even without going to the recent changes. I think that's kind of neat.

Proposer: Deadline: August 26, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) – Per proposal.
 * 2) &ndash The reasoning provided in the previous proposal is bad, and it'd save everyone a lot of tedium. If vandalism is somehow more of a concern with this set of wiki features, just autoconfirm them
 * 3) Yeah I don't know what I was smoking when I said "no one uses it". These things get updated like all the time, whenever a new game gets released or so. I've always disagreed with that reasoning in the first place though, so there goes my only oppose I had.
 * 4) The opposition's reasoning in the previous proposal is ridiculous and basically a variation of "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it", which is a really annoying thought-terminating argument. Their argument: it's too much like Wikipedia and it's ugly and distracting and it worked without it before. Rule of thumb: websites should be designed for the convenience of its readers, so "it's ugly and distracting anyway" isn't a strong argument (I don't agree that it's "ugly"). My sister is the most reasonable, but it would be nice to have something so inconsequential as easy template editing.
 * 5) I've always found it a pain to try and figure out what the name of those templates were. Straight forward links leading straight to editing them make things a whole lot easier. Per proposal.
 * 6) Per all; this would be a time-saver like you wouldn't believe.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) - I'd still say a full navbar (like last proposal) would be ugly and unnecessary (most pages don't have talk pages at all and histories rarely need immediate consulting), but just an "[edit]" link seems reasonable and straightforward (no need for code letters and hover-over text), plus it'd balance out the "[show]", so sure.
 * 9) Per Time Turner
 * 10) - Per all.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Yes! I hate this current system. Per everyone.
 * 15) Per everyone!
 * 16) I haven't edited for quite a while, but I really don't want to look through bazillions of long lists of templates just to get another list. Also, per all.
 * 17) Per all! And because this is essential
 * 18) Per all after thinking about it for a while.
 * 19) Per everyone.

Comments
@Bazooka Mario: Don't you mean "websites should be designed for their readers rather than their editors"? You've got that mixed up. Anyway, adding an "edit" template there benefits readers, as it could help point them to the template that needs to be fixed/updated at a convenient time. 23:23, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
 * I got it mixed up, yeah. *blush* 23:30, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I'm mixed on this. On one hand, I think that we should add something on these templates. On the other hand, I'd rather it be a view link button rather than an edit button. 20:21, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
 * But if you just wanna look at the template, you can do so on the article it's on: most people will only go to the template if they want to edit it, so it makes more sense to have a link to the editing interface, and then from there the few others can just make one more click to view the template. And if you mean you just want the template name, you can already get that from the editing interface - or simply by hovering your mouse over the edit link without clicking it at all, for that matter... - 20:32, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
 * Finally, just another method, you can just pinpoint the template name at the search bar by typing "template:". I don't see the need for a view-only button. 21:12, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
 * As a final addition to this conversation, when you hit 'edit', you'll be immediately taken to a place where the 'view' and 'talk' functions are available by a single click, just by viewing the tabs at the top of the page. It's very convenient that way. 20:33, 22 August 2015 (EDT)