User talk:Walkazo/Archive 13

Status: Between volunteering and work, I don't always have as much time to edit as I'd like. I'll still try to get some stuff done, however, and as always, if you have any questions or concerns or need help with something, fire away and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Userpage help!
Hey Walkazo, ParaLemmy1234 here. My userpage got almost entirely deleted, and I can't seem to build/recreate it. Can you help me address this problem?

Thanks, User:ParaLemmy1234


 * Just undo your last two edits. Or go to the last revision before you deleted everything and hit edit (i.e. this). - Walkazo 22:07, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Can you help me?
Can you upload this:

First use:

Then use:

Finally upload it.

The Contents of this file will be:

Reason: If I download anything, Cox will block my internet, because I have overlimit 50 and 150 Mbit/s.

Thanks!


 * No. You should focus your time and energy on editing the wiki, instead of Personal File acquisition and other such userspace frivolities. - Walkazo 18:29, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

You. Are. Awesome.
I've been reading The 'Shroom since 2010, and for me, it was just a fantastic, monthly e-newspaper to glance at every once in a while when it was updated, and has spawned some pretty fantastic opinion articles in its time. However, the only two times I have ever been truly engrossed in a 'Shroom article, and amazed by the theories and opinions on the screen in front of me, was when I read both of your 'Shroom articles. Both of them were written perfectly and had awesome theories (I enjoyed the process of deducing the Koopaling's mother down to a simple DNA code, it actually got me interested in genetics, and I'm hoping to study it further when I'm older). I've never viewed any Mario species in the same way after reading your first article, and it was pure genius to answer a theory that Nintendo has completely retconned out of existence (I too still believe that the Koopalings are the biological children of Bowser, but I never really considered their mother) in the second article. You are awesome for tackling those two theories and writing what I believe to be two of the greatest articles on the 'Shroom. :D GBAToad (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2013 (EDT)


 * That's really great! We haven't done any detailed experiments involving genetics yet (I feel like such a geek asking my teacher about doing some >:3). I actually can't wait to start learning more about chromosomes (I'm hoping that Pokémon X and Y have a genetics theme to go along with their names, but that's really not important), viruses, bacteria, HOW TO GENETICALLY MODIFY A TURTLE TO RESEMBLE A KOOPA  and DNA structure.I'm glad that the field is rapidly expanding right now; it makes me want to discover something really interesting! If you don't mind me asking, but what was your favorite thing you did while you were learning genetics?


 * STEP 1: OBTAIN TURTLE :P GBAToad (talk) 17:39, 28 April 2013 (EDT)


 * APOG is a cool mnemonic ;), and Bowser and the Transformation of MM294 was a great read. Between homework and studying, I only just got to finish reading it now. It was smart giving Ludwig a German accent, it's really fitting for him. The method was the most interesting part (probably because it featured some pretty cool genetics jargon), and I loved the comeuppance at the end. The whole process for sterilizing equipment and growing pGLO bacteria was a fun one to follow, and I'll bet it was twice as fun in the lab as it was writing it from the perspective of the Koopalings. Thank you for responding to all of my comments, it's been great talking to someone who is experienced in genetics and editing Super Mario Wiki. Thanks, Walkazo. Once again, you are really awesome. :D GBAToad (talk) 17:43, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Proposal
Hi! (I'm writing this after I saw you removed my proposal) I wrote it in "Writing Guideline" because it was the only section that would have fit, but apparently I shouldn't have done here. That's fine. But I wonder why you said that it wasn't worth a proposal, because I saw quite a lot of articles written like this, and it annoys me each time. Should I create a thread on the forum instead, or is it still unnecessary? Thanks. 17:39, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
 * Thank you! 08:41, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

???
Walkazo, why did you spell incorrectly on this? 06:59, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
 * I've said a lot of things on that page: you're gonna have to be more specific. - Walkazo 09:30, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
 * [Now that the above post has been edited to include a section link...] You mean the "now" instead of "not"? That was a typo. - Walkazo 18:16, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Images
After a proposal has been passed, are you allowed to create one that adds on to it? -- 12:45, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
 * As long as it doesn't overturn anything established by the first proposal, it should be okay, but it depends on the specific situation, since some additions might actually be more like changes to the original vision of the initial proposal. - Walkazo 19:16, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
 * This proposal states that we should move files to appropriate names, so I was wondering, would it be feasible to have a filter or something that could detect undesirable filenames? Because after all the current ones are taken care of, this wouldn't be a problem anymore. -- 18:01, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
 * I don't think it's possible, and it's unnecessary anyway. Images have always been screened manually, only now we're looking at the title as well as what's in the image itself: no biggie. - Walkazo 18:41, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
 * Should this be moved to somewhere else? -- 17:14, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
 * If you want to withdraw the proposal, yeah, it should go in the archives with a grey outcome reading "DELETED BY PROPOSER". As for the request itself, do what Baby Luigi told you to do and bring it up on the "Requesting edits for locked pages." forum thread. - Walkazo 17:20, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
 * K thanks. And should I provide a draft for it on the forum (see my comment on the proposal page) -- 17:21, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
 * If you have a specific idea for what the section on should look like, sure, you could make a little draft if you'd like. No guarantee we'll use it, but if it's good, it'll save the admins the trouble of writing something up ourselves ;) -  Walkazo 17:30, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
 * Finished with the draft, when I post this on the forum, is it OK to say that it got admin approval? (I already have) -- 17:27, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
 * No, it was not okay. If I approve something, I will say so myself. Don't ever presume to speak for me again. And I don't approve of that draft, by the way: there's too much unnecessary stuff cluttering it up. - Walkazo 18:32, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
 * I apologize. I was in a hurry, and I should have waited for you to respond before posting on the forum. Would it be okay if I cleaned up the draft and resubmitted? Again, I apologize. -- 17:43, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
 * No worries, just don't do it again. As for the draft, the admins are discussing it: the page may just be left as-is, and if it's not, the only change we're looking at is a simple trim. The explanation part's perfectly fine, and that's what matters most anyway, so don't worry about making another draft. - Walkazo 21:11, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

Donkey Kong arcade games...which series is it under?
Forgive me for the lack of knowledge here, it's been a while since I'm in the wiki. Are the Donkey Kong arcade games (Donkey Kong, Jr, and III) part of the Mario series, or the Donkey Kong series, or both? The reason I asked is that I'm working on dumping my 2010 work into the wiki regarding the list of images-needing-to-be-replacified. User:RAP/test2. I asked User:Phoenix about it but no response.-- 02:01, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
 * The original Donkey Kong is in both, but the other two are generally only placed in the overall Donkey Kong series around here, afaik. - Walkazo 22:13, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

EXACTLY WHY?
Why are fake shops removed? They are more real than the 'Shroom ones and have a reason for competitions. Fake shops were a sign of an economy forming inside of the wiki.

Signed,

Razzoom &#34;MarioKart&#34; Johnson, Senior (talk) 14:07, 14 May 2013 (EDT)


 * The proposal explained exactly why. The wiki isn't about building up fake economies: the wiki is about editing the actual articles, and userspace frivolities distracting users, wasting server space and cluttering up the RecentChanges interferes with that. - Walkazo 19:18, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

COLLABORATION: Mario Party series mini-games article maintenance
Hey Walkazo, I contacted you because you were involved in a project where it involves relocating in-game text from the template into the article itself for Mario Party series mini-game articles before progress stopped. Originally, Tucayo was running this until he gave me permission to run the thing. Check this post in the topic for more info. -- 06:19, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

help please
I have asked this many times and gotten no help. My sig does not wnat to be colored. PLEASE HELP ME!!! Plrease respond on my talk page.

Pictures. I don't know how to put them on. I would like a Star bunny on the left, and a silver star on the right. 9:34, 1 June (EDT)

Gallery standard
Hi! I was thinking about proposing an official standard for galleries. In regards to consistency, there has been a lot of lenience given to gallery sub-pages and from what I've seen, recently created galleries have been mimicking the better-looking galleries for layout and appearance. This is fine, however older galleries look inconsistent in comparison. Thus, I've been working on a guideline based on these better-looking galleries, which includes LGM's recently approved standard, as well as some basic formatting rules. I recognize that there are differences between character, game and misc. galleries, so this proposed standard should be subject to exceptions. I've tried to only mention minor things that should be standard across all galleries. You know a lot about consistency and what's best for the wiki, so could you (whenever you can) please take a look at what I've compiled so far? I'd like some critique before making a full-fledged proposal, so any advice would be greatly appreciated! :) GBAToad (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Done! I've restructured the entire thing and inserted separate sections detailing subsections and outlining the different types of galleries. However, I'm stumped when it comes to writing a snazzy opening paragraph for the policy, as well as detailing 'What needs a gallery?' (as a warning to prevent users from creating a new sub-page with only 5 or 6 pictures). GBAToad (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I'm deeply sorry for the super-late reply. The opening statement you wrote was perfect, not to mention the policy looks heaps better with your coding ideas. I really wanted to stress what deserves a gallery somewhere in the policy but you nailed it perfectly (the example I gave you was more of a situation than a concrete standard, but thank you for clarifying the importance). Thanks to all of your great advice and input, the policy looks fantastic and the new standards feel way more refined. I'll get around to creating the proposal soon, but for now, Thanks a bunch Walkazo for all of the help! GBAToad (talk) 08:30, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
 * No problem. I've also removed the comment after the 'Miscellaneous' section for similar reasons. There was a little bit of advice you gave me in your first response that I forgot to add to the  bullet point, so I've also incorporated both that and thequoteblock to expand it. Another thing: Regarding LGM's recent proposal (which if passed will enforce that screenshots from TV shows and movies should be included in subject galleries), I was thinking about going into a bit more detail about what is included in each section to accommodate these potential changes. I've written a much fuller explanation on LGM's talk page, but in short I'd just like to expand some things before creating the proposal. GBAToad (talk) 00:05, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I totally forgot about the extended deadline for writing policies... though these should be the last edits, really, so the proposal should be up soon. I especially like the idea of incorporating animation screenshots and printed media. The more diverse the gallery the better! As such, printed media now has it's own section ('Scans') as per your superb idea. I've also made it clear that game galleries must feature every image relating to the game in the gallery, whereas only a selection of images is required for subject galleries. Other than that, each section has been defined in the best way I could, but any other suggestions would be excellent. GBAToad (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

I'm not sure about 'Game Instalments' either. It could probably be removed completely, as it only gives a subsection title to the main images when a "Miscellaneous" section is present. The quotation marks have been fixed, and some other minor details have been adjusted. I couldn't find a suitable example from the subject galleries to replace the "Game Instalments" example, so I went with "Bosses". Edit summaries aside, If it looked good to go before, then it sure is good to go now :) GBAToad (talk) 19:33, 23 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Good catch :P. Um, one more thing, LGM asked about screenshots from Mario characters appearances in Nintendo advertisements (sans live action ads). I'm thinking that a subsection after Animation could contain them if they are needed, but I'm not so sure. Should we include them? GBAToad (talk) 23:45, 26 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Alright then, I'll mention it in the policy. Once again, thanks for all of your help, I really couldn't have written a comprehensive policy page without your help :) GBAToad (talk) 01:33, 27 June 2013 (EDT)

Template help
I added all the links for the Nav. template, (all that's left is to pipe them), but when I tried to align everything to the left (I used Megadardery's example here for the code), but when I typed in "left align", it moved everything to the right, what was done wrong? -- 09:48, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * You want  (  can be removed entirely), but even then, it's not going to turn out like Megadardery's draft with the headers beside the text: you've structured the template completely differently. - Walkazo 13:52, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
 * OK, thanks -- 08:58, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
 * It's finished, does it look good enough? -- 11:49, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
 * It's a good enough start, but it should really have the left-side headers like in Megadardery's version. - Walkazo 12:21, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

Root Beer
Hello. Do you like root beer?
 * Never had it. I don't like fizzy drinks, really. - Walkazo 23:23, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

Deletion
Hey. Could you delete my userpage? I don't really edit at all anymore. I just look at articles now. The Amazing Luigi ( Talk )
 * Done, but just so you know, you could have just marked it for deletion using . - Walkazo 20:15, 27 June 2013 (EDT)

Proposal archive colour
I was thinking that it might be more consistent that if a proposal was withdrawn or deleted by the proposer then in the archives it should be coloured grey instead of pink as the colour of the font used is grey.
 * Grey is for proposals that are passed but not enacted yet. It sets them apart from the colourful proposals that don't need attending to, and lets anyone browsing the archives know that there are still tasks that need doing. - Walkazo 15:26, 28 June 2013 (EDT)

Interwiki
Hello Walkazo. I would like to simplify the interwiki partnership of the three Mario Wikis. Could you add the following to the template Foreignname:

With this, the template sets the interwiki links to the italien and the german wiki automatically.

The "ItA" and "GerA" is needed, when the name under the "Italien" or "German" section of this template is different from the actual name of the article in the italien or german wiki. For example: The name of the Super Mario World tv series is simply "Super Mario World" so:


 * Ger=Super Mario World

But the actual name of the article to this tv series in the german wiki is "Super Mario World (TV-Serie)" so:


 * GerA=Super Mario World (TV-Serie)

The template shows "Super Mario World" but sets a interwiki link to the actual article "Super Mario World (TV-Serie)"

The only problem is that the code doesn't support multiple names under the "Italien" and "German" section. What do you think?

Sincerly, DarkLuigi (talk) 06:45, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

TPP
I made a TPP about renaming Hostage and most of the opposes came from my argument that it was dark, however, I have a second argument about it not being official and as such I removed the dark part from the original proposal. Seeing as most votes opposing were cast over it not being that dark should I reset the votes as it's no longer mentioned.
 * I'd suggest slashing-out the "dark" part to make it clear you changed the proposal - and then hope the folks come back and check: the TPP still has a long time until its deadline, after all. But most of the opposing votes have other reasons too (mainly that it's a pointless rename in general), so don't be surprised if there's no big turnaround no matter what you do. - Walkazo 17:51, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Sorry, I was unaware.

What if an admin breaks the rules?
Hello. I was wondering, under the rules, it says that you cannot give an admin a warning. But does that mean they can still break the rules? What if one even goes as far as vandalizing the main page? That would be inexcusable and no one could get away with that. So, are admins allowed to break rules since no one can give them warnings?24.127.162.236 07:56, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Admins rights are given wisely to those who are trusted, so admins probably won't ever vandalize. However, Normal users cannot give Administrators warnings, but Bureaucrats can give them warnings or demote them. And the Proprietor can give Bureaucrats warning or demote them.. -- 08:05, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Any administrative misconduct is discussed and handled by the admins. No one is exempt from the rules, especially not us (since part of our job involves enforcing the rules). 08:28, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

And can an admin give a patroller a warning? 24.127.162.236 10:05, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 * The warning would be internal: they wouldn't get a template on their talk page, but there would be a discussion on the forum to let the admin know what they did wrong, figure out how to right any wrongs that were done, and to make sure it doesn't happen again. However, while 'Crats are the ones to physically correct admin mistakes on the wiki end (to make it clear to onlooking users that there's been an overruling), there's no "warning hierarchy" between the three ranks or anything like that. It doesn't matter if the admin who made the mistake is a Patroller, a Sysop or even a 'Crat: all the admins are held accountable for our actions by all the other admins. - Walkazo 11:23, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

My talk page
Really sorry.-- 11:54, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Featured Article Requirements
I had a recently passed proposal that involved loosening FA requirements, but I'm not exactly sure how to word the changes in the Featured Articles rules section. I asked Glowsquid how I could do this, but asked me to ask you. :/ 12:22, 6 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Well, all the FA rules are pretty short and straightforward, so a long explanation wouldn't work. Personally, I think changing the wording of Rule 8 to "reasonable" is already enough to imply that unreasonable demands for essays on things like Super Mario-kun are not what we're looking for in FAs, but perhaps you're hoping to elaborate a bit more? The "especially a biography for character articles." seems unnecessary and has plural-singular disagreement anyway, so I'd say it could be snipped to give us a bit more space to work with; there's also overlap with Rule 3, so the "sources" bit can also be trimmed (every word counts). Maybe something like this would work: "...have reasonable amounts of information from all appearances. Full coverage is ideal, but not always possible, and so, is not required for obscure media." - Walkazo 13:25, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Thanks so much! I rewritten and trimmed some words, so check if it's okay now. 13:31, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Looks good to me! - Walkazo 13:34, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Protection Levels
Sorry to bother, but could I ask why articles like Donkey Kong Country Returns and Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! still have their protection level set to autoconfirmed? As far as I can tell, the pages were protected simply due to being upcoming games, but that was years ago. With the fairly recent advent of users being able to edit via IP, it seems a bit unnecessary to keep them protected, in my opinion, since those IPs won't be able to edit at all. It's not that big of a deal, but could you give it some thought, please?
 * Good point. I lowered the protection. - Walkazo 17:21, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

Wha-
I was creating my talk page, but the Welcome section at the top I was trying to delete wouldn't let me. Do I have to be autoconfirmed to delete that?

Lanny 2008, 11:29 12 July 2013 (EDT)

MarioWiki pages
Hi,

While you're dealing with some issues concerning the MarioWiki pages, could you move those ones in order to remove the uppercases?

I'm not entirely sure all of these are actual issues...

I know this is quite a lot of work, so I'd understand you decide not to do it. 13:56, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Seems more like making the few lowercase pages uppercase would be the way to go. - Walkazo 14:02, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Are you saying that because they're considered titles and thus should be capitalized? Because I don't really understand the difference with subsections' uppercases (e.g.: Names in Other Languages). Unless you think those should be capitalized too? :) 16:03, 12 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Yeah, they're official policies, so capitalizing them as proper names seems logical. It also looks more consistent with the invariably uppercase one-word titles. Plus, it helps ensure they stand out in conversation. Same with Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals - which is why they were reverted back to uppercase after the admins discussed the matter. It's not the same as section headers, which are more like labels than titles. - Walkazo 18:33, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

Fair enough. Here is a list (once again, some of these probably don't need to be "fixed"):


 * Thanks. I moved the three policy pages, but the info pages can probably stay where they are (I also spoke to other admins about this). - Walkazo 16:17, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

Oops.
Sorry about undoing the archive, it was a massive mistake. I've just changed my preferences to display GMT so that it won't happen again. GBAToad (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
 * No worries. Time zones give everyone trouble. - Walkazo 23:01, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
 * OK. Thanks for fixing my mistake as well. I'll create the article now so that it can be protected. GBAToad (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

Recent archive
I know that you recently archived two proposals including the Mario Party one-liner section one that reached a NO Quorum, but I thought that they were meant to be extended for another week should that happen and I don't think that one was extended.
 * Rule 8: "Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM."" Deadline extensions are for ties. - Walkazo 02:30, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Thanks for clearing that up :)

Minor Vandal
The IP address 99.40.158.196 has been adding small things to pages. Could you please do something? --


 * It hasn't done anything in a while so hopefully they got bored, but if they come back, maybe a short block. It's better to not block IPs at the drop of the hat, lest innocent users get blocked as well. - Walkazo 13:28, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Please Block
The IP Adress 99.40.158.196 has been doing more minor vandalism to many pages. Could you please block this user? --
 * Thanks for letting me know they were still making bad edits. I've blocked them for a month. - Walkazo 13:45, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

About an IP user
Ip 2.223.143.194 is adding so many false information about Enemies in NSMB. Can he/she be dealt with? -- 14:06, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I blocked them for a week. - Walkazo 14:12, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

Expand Template
Could you please and another pair of variables (8 and 9) to the the Template:Articleabout page? I was trying to add a link to another article on the page Princess Peach's Castle, but it only had 7 variables. When tried to edit the template, I could only view the source formatting. Thank you! --

Deleted Page
Somewhere around 16:30 GMT (maybe a bit before) on July 28, I created a page called Brock (species). The page did not have much content (infobox, ML:DT template) and I put the stub template on the top. I left my computer for a bit and when I came back, I discovered that the page had been deleted by L151 (administrator) at 16:42, less than 30 minutes after the creation of the article. The edit summary said "(poor 0% of contents )," and while I do agree that the page had very little content, I also had plans to work on it more after I came back a bit more than an hour later. It didn't even get the new stub template on the top with a week time limit to expand it like all new articles do. I think that I should have at least gotten a few hours to work on expanding it before deletion or a notice on my talk page saying to expand it. Could you please bring it back so I can work on expanding and improving the article? Thank You! -- 19:18 GMT, July 28, 2013


 * One-liners still get deleted on sight afaik, and your page didn't even have a line. If you're going to make a new page, actually put some content in it right from the start; use your userspace if you want to make drafts instead of making a page in one go. - Walkazo 17:49, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

Numbers in recent changes
What do things like (-54) and (+385) mean?
 * Already answered 12:23, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
 * It's actually the change in the page size, with each character (including spaces) corresponding to one byte of digital information. - Walkazo 12:35, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
 * I was just trying to let you know that I answered on his talk page and you didn't have to answer it 12:48, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
 * I prefer answering questions myself, actually. - Walkazo 12:59, 31 July 2013 (EDT)

Image replace help
Ok, I tried to replace an image and it just uploaded a duplicate. Can you help me with that?
 * Is it File:TOAD IN THE BOX MP2.png? It's been updated, it just looks the same for you since your internet's remembering the old image. It's a cache thing; either purge your browser's cache or be patient and it'll look right eventually. - Walkazo 20:03, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

Splited
Alrighty. Template:MFb was successfully split into Template:Super Mario Strikers and Template:MSC.. Could you check them for me? thanks.


 * Sorry Walkazo, I didn't know you were about to split Template:Skillshot I merged it into Template:MSC. But once I finished, I discovered that you put it on your Essays subpage, sorry again..-- 11:58, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * The Essays subpage isn't an immediate to-do list or anything like that (the template section is more like a "don't forget this stuff forever" list), so no need to apologize. And thanks for splitting Tem:MFb; the new ones look good (although I'll probably tweak them a bit). - Walkazo 13:13, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * Ok but, could you tell me, how do you specify the color of the sub-titles?-- 14:45, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * What do you mean? - Walkazo 15:00, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * The color "#9FFFEE" for Team Captains in Template:MSC for example.-- 15:06, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * All colours come from this chart. Some tertiary/sub-headers don't have colours yet, but I'm actually working on assigning a few new ones today for future reference. - Walkazo 15:20, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * I already know about this chart, I was just asking if you use a rule or something.-- 15:34, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * Basically it goes from darkest to lightest, with each colour being distinct enough to tell apart, yet still have a similar shade to the other ones in the header. I.e. you wouldn't use a yellowy brown subheader for the rusty brown MvDK templates (although it can sometimes be hard to judge since different screens do funny things to colours). - Walkazo 15:42, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
 * Thanks-- 16:50, 4 August 2013 (EDT)