Talk:Magikoopa

Shells

 * Magikoopas do have shells! In Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, Kamek says "You guys really chap my shell"... If he had no shell, why would he say that?
 * I think it's merely a way of saying he's angry. Kinda like "You are getting on my nerves". There's no real proof Magikoopa's have shells. --Blitzwing 18:23, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Well if they don't there hunchbcks. Random Chaos 22:33, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Alternative names in foreign languages
I wasn't sure where else to put this, so I used the talk page of an article where it applies. How exactly should alternative names in a language different from English be listed? The German Super Mario World strategy guide includes some names that are different from those that appear in other sources; Magikoopa is referred to as Koopalini (instead of Kamek), Urchin as Aqua-Wummp (instead of Igluk), etc. so I was wondering if there is already a guideline on how to list those.--Vellidragon 12:46, 1 December 2009 (EST)
 * I don't know a guideline, but there are already lists with more than one name for one language, e.g. Fawful in European Spanish. It should be clear what name is the current one. --Grandy02 12:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Jerry
There is a magikoopa in mario and luigi:Bowser's inside story named Jerry.User:Mr bones

Magikoopa or Kamek?
I say we remove the Yoshi's Island artwork and the NSMB Wii info. This article is about Magikoopas, not Kamek. Regular Magikoopas aren't found in those games, Kamek is all you see.


 * However, Kamek is a magikoopa, and if she is a magikoopa, then we should add the [ general] info about them here as well.


 * he- Mario102300

Tattle!
There is no tattle information for Magikoopa in Super Paper Mario. Could somebody add that?
 * I added it in.

Tutankoopa?
I'm pretty sure [[Tutankoopa is not a Magikoopa. He's a koopa spirit

Mario Party 9
In Mario Party 9, is the playable Magikoopa a Magikoopa or Kamek? Due to translations, the English version labels the Magikoopa as "Magikoopa" and the European version labels this as "Kamek". Now, what should we do? My suggestion is to say that the Magikoopa "is playable in Mario Party 9... However, in the European translations, this Magikoopa is called "Kamek"'' and we include this information in the Kamek article as well.

I think it's just to avoid confusion, although we base our information on what region the game is first released. 00:07, 8 March 2012 (EST)
 * I think it should say that in the American version Kamek is mistakenly called Magikoopa or something like that as to reference the fact that the playable character is really Kamek but he's called Magikoopa in America. Also policy states that we use the European information since it came out in Europe first.
 * If something says it's Kamek, it's Kamek, end of story. It doesn't matter what region it is or which came first. Generic "Magikoopa" is a lack of information, and if one region's lacking but another one has more complete info, go with the more complete set (it's like how we use the region that makes the most sense when it comes to splitting and merging species, or in situations like King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)). All this page should say is that Kamek appears in MP9, but that he was only identified as "Magikoopa" in the American version, with linking directly to the appropriate section on Kamek's page. -  01:02, 8 March 2012 (EST)
 * Okay, thanks for clarifying things. 19:15, 8 March 2012 (EST)

Super Mario RPG
It was said that the American localizers made an error and accidentally named Kamek "Magikoopa". Yet, wouldn't the quote given (That's... my child?) on the Magikoopa article be from Kamek, not a Magikoopa? -NessPeppyTails

His name in Japan isn't "Kamek", it's "Kamezādo". Vent (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Note on Kamek
I think that at the top of the article it should say, for the character sometimes known as magikoopa see Kamek.RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!! (talk) 13:13, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
 * I added the template if that was what you were talking about.  18:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

Section Inconsistency
Why is there a sub section "Paper Mario Information" under Official Profiles and Statistics with the Info Boxes for Paper Mario and TTYD? Shouldn't it be there in their respective game section, like the others articles? In fact, the Super Paper Mario info is in the game's section too. Hellmasterbg (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

Magikoopa Transforms in Mario Maker
Should we have a proper list of what Magikoopas can transform blocks into in Mario Maker when normal/winged/big/big winged? That seems like something that would be added, but I wouldn't want to just go in without asking first. The Blue Boo (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

Mario Party 8?
This article says 2 of the voices in the fun bazzar of mario party 8 are named after kamek. For some reason, in the copy of the game that i own, they are named magikoopa voices. maybe it's like mario party 9, where the name depends on the region? i have the NTSC version if i'm not mistaken. YoshiEgg1990

Where in Super Mario Party?
Where in the game is the generic Magikoopa present?--Hamshamcart (talk) 21:23, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

Kamek is a Magikoopa. -- Bowser64 15:58, April 25, 2021 (EDT)

Alternate colors
This is an inconsistency that bothers me a bit. While admittedly other enemies in PM and TTYD don't have color variants that aren't a wholly different enemy (barring Red Spike Top in the latter), the other appearances of them do have color variants, and the abilities aren't that consistent anyways. So, I ask: why are the color variants split? Should they not be merged? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:20, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
 * I feel like the blue-shelled Spike Tops from two of the Paper Mario games could possibly be split into "Spike Top (blue shell)" with Red Spike Top merged into the main article, but that's neither here nor there. My question is, what about Kamek's color clones from Dream Team? LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:33, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
 * Could probably merge them with Kamek, though given the clone aspect a case could be made for keeping them...for now. (Also Spike Top in the first one did have a red shell, it had a blue one in TTYD and Super...and also there's the blue ones from the Maker games). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:41, September 2, 2020 (EDT)
 * Honestly, I think it's OK to keep them split, since besides the color they still have unique traits to further distinguish them from the regular Magikoopas, such as their individual skills in the first two Paper Mario games. Other types of species such as Yoshis and Shy Guys probably don't have different colors split because there aren't enough differences.
 * Problem is said "individual skills" don't carry. In TTYD, Green Magikoopas got the abilities of yellow and gray ones while losing their original ones to Red Magikoopas. This is therefore very much like Shy Guys since the lack of consistency of abilities is what keeps them merged. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:56, September 3, 2020 (EDT)
 * OK, I have assembled a helpful table to show how the variance has been, and it's really not been consistent. Red's been closest, but...


 * ...there's still no tried-and-true consistency. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:17, September 3, 2020 (EDT)

Honestly, I think we should keep them split. The not-always consitency is certain, sure, but in many games, they do have unique abilities from the other types of Magikoopas in that game; that is also certain. So we could probably keep them split. Broque (talk) 19:25, June 16, 2021 (EDT)
 * Yeah, they should be kept split because they are all different from each other. Merging them together will not make any sense at all.

OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 17:51, October 10, 2021 (EDT)
 * That doesn't make sense, the same could be said for Troopas. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:03, October 11, 2021 (EDT)

For my two cents, I don't see why it matters at all if the exact differences are consistent between games or not, as long as the differences are there. My vote is they stay split. -- 13:07, January 23, 2022 (EST)
 * Again, same can be said for Troopas. And if we're splitting all these, we might as well split P&D's "Blue Magikoopa" since it's not treated as any more "normal" than the rest. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:04, January 23, 2022 (EST)
 * I think we can use discretion on that one since the blue Magikoopa has almost always (if not always outright) been treated as the base Magikoopa. And I wouldn't entirely be opposed to a Troopa split honestly, but the Magikoopas have more going for them. -- 19:52, January 23, 2022 (EST)
 * I've never played the game, but at least for the Puzzle & Dragons ones, I don't see how Purple Magikoopa is more worthy of a page than, say, Purple Coin Coffer. Blinker (talk) 15:49, January 24, 2022 (EST)
 * I do not mean any offense but this is quite silly. They have functional differences on top of their color variance so I don't see why we should merge them. "What about the koopa troopas?" The only functional difference between the koopas is that one walks off edges and the other doesn't. The magikoopas have way more functional differences than the two koopas do, and when it comes to color variants function is what usually decides if article or not. No/minimal functional difference? No article. Noticeable/Big functional difference? Article. It's that simple and that's what we should be going for. (Once again I do not mean offense, I'm just burned out about how every time we have discussions and/or decisions over what are essentially the same topics, we always end up taking wildly and ridiculously different courses of action) Somethingone (talk) 19:24, May 18, 2022 (EDT)
 * My point here is unlike most of the examples you provided, there is basically no consistency on what the difference is (when they have a tenable one to begin with). You may see these as different subjects, but they're ultimately less different from each other as a whole than every item covered on the "Green Magikoopa" page is from each other. Basically, if the difference is inconsistent, is there really a difference at all? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * As long as there always is a difference at all, regardless if it stays the same, then yes. 05:58, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * Pretty much what swallow said. Also, the shy guys are not merged because of a "lack of consistency of abilities", they're merged because they've literally been shown to be interchangeable in color many times (like in Yoshi's Story and Paper Mario: Color Splash), something that can't be said of the Magikoopas. Somethingone (talk) 08:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * Except the sports appearances, where they are treated as the games' other color variations (occasional slight stat differences if anything), and Puzzle & Dragons, where the elemental attribute variation is also a standard color variant thing (see Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer's varieties). PM64's Magikoopas also have more functional differences between the Shooting Star Summit miniboss and the Bowser's Castle enemy (which we do have merged) than the color versions have with either of those or each other. It's basically including "easy" and "hard" while excising "medium." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:56, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * You seem to have misinterpreted both things I said a bit. What I meant by the Shy Guys are "interchangeable" & the Magikoopa colors aren't was that there's games where Shy Guys change colors(In Yoshi's Story you change their color by ground pounding and in Color Splash the red shy guys turn blue when scared), which isn't the case for the Magikoopas. And as for the two Paper Mario Magikoopa types that's a completely different thing, as the game does not give them any unique names or appearances & they're treated as the same thing. That's more akin to Jr. Koopa having different stats than the color variations like White Clubba having different stats. My point is that if a color variant has noticeable stat differences on top of its color variance, it should be split. Somethingone (talk) 18:16, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * Why should the sports appearances be split, though? Besides, I can think of two instances of Magikoopas changing color, and the first is solely an aesthetic thing. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:19, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
 * And the Dream Team instances are on their own separate pages from the Magikoopa color variants (they also don't change color here so much as they split off from the main Kamek), while limiting the SMRPG Red Magikoopa coverage to "a Magikoopa turns red for a bit" instead of treating it as an actual named appearance. My stance is unchanged. 15:51, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
 * They actually split off all blue, then change color afterward. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:58, August 3, 2022 (EDT)
 * Here's what I suggest we do: Take the Mario Baseball and Puzzle & Dragons info and merge them with the standard Magikoopa article (the former because the Toads, Shy-Guys, Yoshis and Kritters have different stats in the baseball games but we have them on the same pages, the latter because the Big Koopa Paratroopa, Coin Coffer and King Coin Coffer pages cover the color variations in the game) and leave the role-playing games info intact because the Magikoopas have different moves depending on color in those games. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 15:07, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * A full merge is non-negotiable for me, the RPG ones need to stay split for consistency. But at that point I don't see why we shouldn't just cover all appearances on those pages. A (color) Magikoopa is still a (color) Magikoopa, and it's consistent with how we handle appearances of big/small enemies. -- 15:18, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * The purple one is the only one I would agree with merging. 15:46, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * As, I've said, we should then do something about all of the other pages I've just mentioned because they have different abilities but we still have them merged. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 15:54, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * Not necessarily. It's a case of if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any. Honestly I'd support splitting color variants for stat differences but it's not something we necessarily have to do for consistency if we keep the Magikoopas fully split. -- 16:06, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
 * I agree with "if the subject qualifies for a separate article (i.e. differences in RPGs which we do split for), then we should be covering all appearances of that subject and not arbitrarily excluding any" for this specific instance, but we also need to be aware of times when x=y but y=/=x (like how Red Boo is about the specific Mario Party series helper and not every instance of a generic Red-Boo-that's-just-called-a-normal-Boo). Since none of the Magikoopa Colors are ever just called "Magikoopa" and have had functional differences(except for purple), This situation isn't like Red Boo.
 * Like Swallow said though, I would be okay with just merging Purple Magikoopa, due to its lack of F.D. 09:11, June 8, 2022 (EDT)
 * I'll support merging Purple Magikoopa exclusively. 21:52, June 11, 2022 (EDT)
 * There is no separate page for Red Koopa Troopa. Seems logical to merge the different colors of Magikoopa into one page.
 * "The only functional difference between the koopas is that one walks off edges and the other doesn't. The magikoopas have way more functional differences than the two koopas do, and when it comes to color variants function is what usually decides if article or not."
 * 18:54, June 28, 2022 (EDT)