MarioWiki:Proposals

List of talk page proposals

 * Stop calling Sky-Blue Spinies relatives of Buzzy Beetles. (discuss) Deadline: September 10, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Mini Bob-omb with Bob-omb. (discuss) Deadline: September 10, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Stop referring to the Koopalings with their full names. (discuss) Deadline: September 10, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge List of Sammer Guys with Duel of 100. (discuss) Deadline: September 11, 2016, 23:59 GMT
 * Either rename Duke, Lulu and Rockman to The Dino Riders or split the three characters into separate articles. (discuss) Deadline: September 18, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

Implement Reminder Template About Categorizing Images By Game
Some people forget to add an additional category when uploading images, such as those from Category:Images by game. We have. I propose, where the contents will be from here. Why have this template? Categorizing images helps us keep track of uploads better and allows us a little easier time identifying duplicates. can probably express more reason than what I can infer. He issues s about this sort of thing. It becomes a hassle to type the same sort of thing over and over again. Also, months ago, mostly and I went through a bunch of images to get the missing image category inserted for affected images, with the help of.

Proposer: Deadline: September 10, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) – Per proposer and my reasons here. Pre-written user notices for bulk issues, such those involving files, are a good thing to have, and don't normally require specific examples or elaboration for individual users (unless they ask for further help, which should be done with any reminder pre-written or not).
 * 3) Per all!
 * 4) Per
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per proposal.
 * 7) per all.

Oppose

 * 1) people only forget to categorize images by accident.  Most people are not purposely forgetting to categorize images.  I can see a reminder template about failing to categorize images having the effect that people feel discouraged from uploading images, which of course would mean that there would be less images on the wiki, and more pages that need images missing said images, rather than making it more likely that people remember to categorize their images.

Comments
, that is why this proposed template will function similarly to and, as those templates are for accidental mis-edits or for people unaware of how we do things here. If the actions become deliberate or our reminders get ignored after issuing them, then we use and. In all cases, we have to use our best judgment before issuing. If our judgment might be wrong, it can be reviewed by sysops using Appeals. -- 14:55, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

Would it be a good a idea to just add an extra clause about categories to the aboutfile reminder? 21:05, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
 * I think the message of both those templates (active and proposed) should focus on one thing instead of two. Two different templates with two different colors sends a very clear message that both messages differ in their content. -- 23:22, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to implement a category selection in the page used to upload the files? Categories are definitely important, but having to edit every upload to add it might not be straightforward for new users.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:52, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
 * It would probably be *possible*, but it would be a huge list to navigate through if it was a straight selection. Some sort of multi-step upload wizard would probably be needed to make it practical. - Reboot (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
 * I assume yes. Just as we have an aboutfile template, we can have text right after that template saying and have instructions for replacing the "uncategorized images" part, but some part of me feel like a lot of people would just overlook it and don't carefully read the instructions.  23:03, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
 * , I did have discussions with back in May about that and opinions were generally mixed how to implement such a thing because of the complexity of it, at least with, , Porplemontage, and I. The best idea to come out of that discussion is to modify MediaWiki:Uploadtext to link to Category:Images by game, which Special:Upload transcludes. That would be far easier. I argued that the page is more fluff and poorly structured than something to pay attention to and needs to be rewritten. -- 23:10, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Nice idea, a quick thing though is that the example in the draft should be changed to another game, just because that '.' could be confusing for certain foreign users and it wouldn't hurt to change it. The name of the template could also be easier for easy remembering, maybe like -- 19:07, 5 September 2016 (EDT)

Removals
None at the moment.

Move TOC to Various Infobox Templates
I have been thinking about this for a while now and I feel it is at least worth a discussion and proposal to see how everyone feels about this kind of change. The default spot where the TOC shows up is before the first header to the left. For us, this usually gets in the way if images are put in a similar spot and creates white space in between the TOC and infobox templates (and similar templates) that could be better used for content. Old Clockworks is one such example but there are many articles with this problem. TOC isn't entirely useless for us. What if we used a MediaWiki Magic Word in each of the infobox templates we have to force it to show up there instead? There are a few problems I have thought of:


 * 1) Some articles use the Magic Words outside the template.
 * 2) Not all articles use this kind of template.
 * 3) What about forcing no TOC when the article is too short for one?
 * 4) Where should it appear?
 * 5) Default action(s)?

I have tested this before on my userpage. You can manipulate where the TOC can appear. I put my TOC in between  tags for CSS floating elements. I have put the Magic Word in a table on my talk page.

Proposer: Deadline: September 8, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) Even leaving aside the principle, which I am far from convinced about and might oppose on that basis alone, what about mobile users?
 * 2) I'm not buying this (figure of speech).
 * 3) Not interested. That's a per all.

Comments
So, concretely, where would the TOC appear? -- 22:21, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I was about to modify the proposal before you said that. My initial thoughts would be below everything else but if we have clever enough coding, it could be where the title is in the template. For the Old Clockworks example, it would be in the purple box containing the title of the article ( or  ) or between first appearance and the bottom border (not explicitly but relatively there). -- 22:26, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

(Different users are at different skill levels when it comes to editing wikis. Beginners have no experience while Experts have the most. I don't think that this should be enforced. If it were, Beginners would have a hard time editing something they don't understand why it must be done a certain way.)-part of old vote

- The edits regarding the infoboxes actually containing the Magic Words are not what novice editors are going to be looking at. At most, those users will be dealing with an extra parameter. Like so: Please explain how this would affect mobile users. -- 01:28, 1 September 2016 (EDT)

I'm also questioning why this would be a difficultly to novice editors? When will a novice editor be throwing a TOC into an article? A more experienced person can do that job. Or am I missing something?
 * It's not about making the TOC appear. It's about moving it's default location to prevent white space from occurring. -- 14:44, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
 * @Wildgoosespeeder: There is a hide button on TOCs. This will eliminate a lot of the empty space. Yes, there is some spacing left, but most of it is gone. For short articles, it wouldn't be a big deal. For long articles with many components (like Super Mario Maker and Mario (franchise)), the hide would eliminate a whole bunch of white empty space. You probably want it removed altogether, but it would make things that look cool when it is shown and not so much when it isn't. You can try this on your main page. As for your talk page, when TOC is hidden, there is more white space when it is shown and green space is eliminated. 23:38, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, I can hide, but that is not the default action. Also forced hide makes navigating a hassle, especially a long page. The best middle ground I can think of is to put it in the various infoboxes. -- 02:50, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
 * My mom (who is not a member of any wiki) says that the white space is necessary to draw attention to the TOC. She suggested that we could change the position or even change the ratio, but this wiki need to keep the white space. 15:24, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment