Talk:Super Mario (series)

Keep this page? Or no.
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I wouldn't consider this a TPP, so here is what this is.

Ok. So do we really need to have a Super Mario (series) page? The Mario series page has better coverage on the games in this article. So, keep this page? Or don't keep this page.

Proposer: Deadline: July 20, 2011, 23:59

Keep

 * 1) we have articles on every other sub-series so why not have one on this
 * 2) – Per Goomba's Shoe15.
 * 3) Not like I spent an hour working on it. BTW, there is a construction template, I'm still working on it. It's kinda like the DK (series) page.
 * 4) Sure.

No Keep

 * 1) Per Supremo78

Comments
The Super Mario series is not and shouldn't be considered a sub-series. In Japan, Mario is called Super Mario. Also, over there, games such as Super Mario Bros. are considered in the Mario series.

I just want to point out, this is the biggest sub-series in the Mario series. I'm still working on it! If this fails, the Mario Baseball series will be merged with the Mario series, as well as all of the other series. And @Supremo78, on the Mario series page, one of the sub-series is called the Super Mario series. 16:38, 6 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Well still. I don't think we need to make one of these. But if this fails, sorry for my stupidity.
 * @Supremo your vote is invalid cause you have no reason
 * "Well Still" isn't a very convincing counter-argument either. 16:42, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
 * How are you perring yourself if there is not valid reason? 16:44, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
 * He can per himself if he made the proposal he's peering his proposal
 * Rather than deleting it right off the bat, why not let it run it's course as an article under construction. Of course at this point in time the Mario series page is going to have better information.
 * Okay then. This is my opinion. The Super Mario (series) shouldn't be created partly because its just like a mini Mario (series). It already says that the games on the Mario series page that those games are in the Super Mario series. And really, people don't consider there is a Super Mario series. When they think about Super Mario Bros., they think Mario (series), not Super Mario (series). And like said before, this is like a mini Mario series page. If you still want to have it, make it a subsection of the Mario series article.

There already is a subsection in the Sub-series section on the page. It is not a mini Mario series due to the fact it features all of the games with "Super Mario" in it. 16:49, 6 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I have no more argument, so I remove my vote.

Shouldn't Super Mario Land and Super Mario 64 DS be added to this article? Bspald95 (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Never mind. Bspald95 (talk) 17:41, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Deletion Template
If anyone puts up a delete template again, I'm goanna flip! 17:04, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Who deleted section on playable characters. 17:10, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Ports
Do you really think that the virtual console ports should be treated as separate games? I mean, just because Super Mario Bros. is released on the Wii, that doesn't mean it's a new game in the series. I think that we should remove the virtual console section from here and make the 30 games in this series become 23.

-IGGY7735

I counted and there should only be fourteen.

SM3DL's Location
Shouldn't Super Mario 3D Land be in the Super Mario Land series article.


 * No, since the game is considered to be in the mainstream series, not the Super Mario Land series.

Should Super Paper Mario be in this? It has mostly platforming levels.--Yoshidude99 16:36, 23 April 2012 (EDT)

No, SPM should not be in this. A Super Mario game is basically a Mario 100% platformer with the name Super Mario in it that has no sign to be in another sub-series, and SPM fits NO part of that description.

New 3D Super Mario
I read on a website that a new 3D super Mario is being made for the Wii U. Here it is. http://www.ign.com/games/super-mario-wii-u/wii-u-112718

I got 2 more sites. Here they are. http://wiiugo.com/?s=yoshiaki+koizumi+confirms+Super+Mario http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/07/wii-u-mario-zelda/all/1

I added the first one to the Mario game series.

Electrical Bowser jr. (talk) 10:01, 28 July 2012 (EDT)Electrical Bowser jr.

Yet another site, this ones talking about a leak that they're making a 3D Super Mario called Super Mario World 3. http://wiiugo.com/leaked-details-about-super-mario-world-3/


 * That has yet to be confirmed by Nintendo before it has a place here.

I think it's SMS2, because they are making a sequal to Luigi's Mansion and it seems ilogical to not make a sequal to a comparable game that was more popular in the first place. If you look in the beta elements section of SMG there is a sprite of Mario from SMS; some say it's a place holder, but I say otherwise... Also, Club Nintendo Fans and other Mario fans a like have been demanding a sequal for a long time. The WiiU would be a perfect fit (Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmhedjQmx10 on this theory.) I am NOT comfirming this, but it seems more than likley.. --Lcc98 (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2013 (EST)Lcc98 talk


 * 07:25, 1 December 2012 (EST)


 * The title may be fake, but we can't deny the fact that Nintendo is already working on a new 3D Mario game for the Wii U which is the upcoming Super Mario installment. Nintendo developers (the Super Mario Galaxy team that worked on Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Super Mario 3D Land) already stated they are.--Prince Ludwig (talk) 10:57, 1 December 2012 (EST)

The Lost Levels
I'm not, underline not, saying we have to get rid of the Japanese Super Mario 2, but is considered an official part of the series in America? My reason being is that it's not mentioned AT ALL in the Super Mario 25th Anniversary Limited Edition extras and it's not in the 25th Anniversary video (both American version). Also, it never got an official release other than All-Stars and Virtual Console. KoopaKiller13 (talk) 19:57, 19 August 2012 (EDT)

I don't really see why t matters whether or not its an official part of the American series, because where was Mario created? EmperorLuigi115 (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

SMW2: Yoshi's Island a main game?
In the same interview Miyamoto confirmed the Koopalings weren't Bowser's children, he also made an interesting statement about SMW2: YI, he commented the game was initially intended to be part of the [main] Mario series, before the Yoshi series actually begun. According to him, the developers consider this a game of the [main] Super Mario series.

New Argumented Reality Mario Themed Game
Check This Link to see the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8Tub3gtew This new Mario game has backwards compatibility

that's not something we should put on this page, say that on Mario (series) cause that has nothing to do with the main series.

Super Mario Land?
Is there any specific reason the Super Mario Land games are not considered part of the main series? 68.9.233.144 05:39, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

Special?
Quick question, but why is Super Mario Bros. Special not considered part of the Super Mario series? --174.59.4.202 15:43, 7 July 2013 (EDT)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 Review Links
The Gamespot review link did not send me directly to the review.

The link in the page is: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/supermariogalaxy2/index.html?tag=result;title;0.

The actual review link is http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/super-mario-galaxy-2-review/1900-6263170/.

For someone who is able to edit this article, please fix this link. --Marrow (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2014 (EST)

Upcoming Game?
On the page, it says that there is an upcoming Super Mario game. Don't we need a source for this? If there is, can someone send me a link to it?

The Super Mario Land games are confirmed canon by Nintendo
Nintendo on their Japanese 30th anniversary website has posted "the history of the super mario series." All the games considered canon are still on the list, however the Super Mario Land games (specifically the first mario land and six golden coins)are added. Since this is indeed an official source by Nintendo, we have no choice but to edit this and the "Super Mario Land series" article to fit this official picture by Nintendo. If there is any reason why we should deny this official source please speak up. Here is the official source.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/mario30th/index.html#/history/

Here's the US link, too:

http://supermario.nintendo.com/#/history/

It seems Nintendo changed their minds about the Super Mario Land games being canon. However, it only applies to Super Mario Land 1 and 2- not counting additional sequels or spin-offs. That makes Daisy, Tatanga and Wario confirmed canon characters, at least for the time being.

However, note that the US list omits Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels from the list- this suggests the canon is subjective even to Nintendo.

Agreed. I think we should say that the lost levels are canon even in the U.S despite the American version of the site. The Japanese is the source of Mario, so it might only be fair to call canon the original source material.


 * These things might change from time to time, but it's the company's current view that should be reflected on the article. Additional footnotes can be used for disambiguation of some entries' position or for noting changes in Nintendo's stance over time (something that should also be documented), or the different viewpoints of what consists a main entry (like how, for example, Yoshi's Island was developed for the purpose of expanding the Super Mario series, even though it ended up spinning-off its own series). --195.97.37.132 08:48, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

That makes sense. We should edit the article based on Nintendo's current standpoint rather than our assumptions. We will have to clarify that both the Japanese and NA/EU canon are both different. I do find it interesting how Super Mario bros U.S.A (as called in Japan), is considered canon in the main Mario series in Japan, but Super Mario bros 2 ( the lost levels as called in America) are not considered canon in America. Since I am new to this site, I do not really know how to edit the article. Do we need to request permission? To who?

I have attempted to edit the page. There is still much need for the article to be edited to add the land titles. I have attempted to change some of the basic text to tell the reader that the first two Mario land titles are apart of the main series. If you could edit the page to completely fill in these games that would be appreciated. I am inexperienced with editing source code. Thank you. 10:44, 29 May 2015 (EDT)


 * This is a major change as it has repercussions for organization across the wiki and should be decided via proposal, not via one brief conversation with only two people involved. The last time this was proposed, it failed. Granted, that was years ago and there's new information to consider, but the fact that the discussion got that contentious last time just proves that you need to do this via proper channels this time too. - 15:28, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

Lots of work to do
Knowing that the first two Super Mario Land games are now apart of the main series. There is a lot of editing to do. Such examples as turing "New Super Mario Bros. is the eighth installment in the Super Mario series." Into "New Super Mario Bros. is the tenth game in the Super Mario series. " We will also have to add the titles to the "Main" list. 01:28, 29 May 2015 (EDT)