User talk:Lord Falafel

Hey
As long as you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't need to worry about being a vandal or troll. If you did something wrong, someone will let you know, so you don't need to say that with every message.

That said, when checking information on any wiki (especially wikia), make sure your sources are correct. Luigi definitely didn't debut on a Game Watch seven years after his actual debut, and I never heard of those games. 21:36, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

I meant Luigi's hammer toss game was the first game to give Luigi his first role without Mario. It was his first solo game. I know you haven't heard of those games. But now you have. I must make sure your knowledge of how many Mario games, donkey kong games, Tetris games and Mario character games that are not Mario's own games there are is expanded along with the knowledge of all the other wiki members. Not that you're dumb, but you just don't have everything covered. I can help this wiki mention all of those games. Please let me help you. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:48, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

We got super Mario bros pinball back on the list! We did it! I have a question. How often should I make edits to the list? Lord Falafel (talk) 12:13, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * (Apparently a pinball machine counts as an arcade)
 * If there's any games missing, they should be added. I don't know if we should include Flash games or not, though. 12:18, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

We should. And the play Nintendo games. And all the other games I sent you. Including the arcade games. They are all made and endorsed by Nintendo. I'll add some games right now. If a page for a game doesn't exist, please make one. If you wish to find the donkey kong pinball machine with no country in the title that is less common than the donkey kong country pinball machine and both are tabletop electronic pinball games and not life size machines like super Mario bros pinball or super Mario bros mushroom world, or any of the other games I told you about, you can find them through the sources I mentioned. It's a little tricky it seems for me to add new systems and platforms for some of my sent games. So, I need you to add Adobe flash, play Nintendo, the Nintendo arcade series called Nintendo super system, the electronic tabletop pinball machines and project Atlantis. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:36, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Where are you getting the Game Watch information from, anyway? 13:35, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

3 sources: list of Mario games Mariowiki fandom powered by wikia (the list of games in alphabetical order), list of games featuring Mario Wikipedia and game watch guys. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:44, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * The wikia and Wikipedia themselves are not valid sources. Who are the Game Watch guys? 13:45, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * And looking at Wikipedia's list, there's nothing about Luigi's Hammer Throw, Mario's Egg Catch, or Toadstool's Castle Run. 13:48, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I thought they were valid sources. These are real games and their release dates and regions and manufacturers are correct. They were all endorsed by Nintendo. Please trust me and please keep these games on the list. The game watch guys are people on a website called gamewatchguys.com and they archive wrist watch LCD games from different developers. They've done a pretty good job archiving all those tiny little watches and gathering their information. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:50, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust the source. The Game Watch Guys seem valid as they actually have images of the Game Watches to go with the titles.
 * But unless you can prove the titles on Wikia and Wikipedia exist, they aren't going to stay on the list. 13:53, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Look up list of Mario games. If you find a page called list of Mario games Mariowiki fandom powered by wikia, click on it. The one that lists the games alphabetically. That page has the 3 games you just told me. Wikipedia doesn't. Wikipedia also doesn't mention Dr Mario game watch, but the game watch guys do. And they seem pretty reliable. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:54, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * ahem. Can't tell if it's official, but it likely is. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:56, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Again, Wikia is not a valid source themselves. They can have sources of their own, though, which can be valid.
 * Looking more on the Game Watch Guys site, I found watches branded under "Nintendo". These include the three games, with images even, which is all I was asking for. 13:58, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Well, Google images can show you the images of all of them except for super Mario bros 2. There's also a YouTube channel called sly dc who uploads videos of game watches and some of them I mentioned are on his channel. Unfortunately, information on the super Mario bros 2 watch is scarce and I can't seem to find any images on it. There might be websites that mention all the other watches. Take off the super Mario bros 2 watch only because the other games have images on Google and reliable sources. If I find anymore information about super Mario bros 2 watch and an image, I'll let you know. I better add other games. Lord Falafel (talk) 14:07, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Maybe I should edit in extra platforms. It's not that bad. I did 1, I should do the others sometime soon. Lord Falafel (talk) 15:27, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

My Mario motors link is leading to the recurring Mario kart element, rather than the build for the unreleased Mario kart game of the same name and I think we should take super Mario world game watch off the toys category and give it a page of it's own. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:01, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * List_of_unreleased_media 16:08, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Help me with project Atlantis and virtual boy. I messed up their libraries. Mario's castle is an unreleased game for an unreleased Nintendo console and because of my editing mistake, it says on the list of games organized by system that it was a virtual boy game and none of the virtual boy games are under the virtual boy anymore. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:20, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I fixed the problem. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:27, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

What is Super Mario Bros. 3 (Mini Piccadilly)? 16:53, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Another game in the toys category that I think should not be there. It's the arcade pachi slot game. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:10, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I added the arcade game called Mario world without the super and the link leads to a place in super Mario RPG: legend of the seven stars. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:09, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I did it. I added all the games. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:50, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

Now I added all the games. I think. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:01, June 28, 2019 (EDT)

Consecutive edits
Hello, please use the "Show preview" button, so you can iron out mistakes before saving rather than flooding the recent changes with lots of minor edits. Thanks! 16:55, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * In response to this, the show preview button is to the left of the save button. 21:24, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Is that how I make a gap in between the electronic tabletop pinball machines and the game watches? Just asking. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I made the same mistake twice. This is what I have to type down in order for systems to have gaps.
 * } Lord Falafel (talk) 21:46, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Now, I don’t want to get banned for a fake reminder, but you have been asked Not to flood the page, but you still do it. Please stop. If I made a mistake in this, please tell me. 21:49, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I will stop flooding it. But I can't help it if my memory is bad. I just need to make one more platform article with games and that will be it, unless I find more games and systems. I sincerely apologize for causing you so much trouble. I will edit that last platform tomorrow. I should slow down and take a break. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:21, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I decided that I should write down 2 more platforms and the other platform has a game. But the one I mentioned first has lots of games. But I will do that tomorrow. And because I probably live in a distant part of the earth, probably thousands of miles away from all of you, time is different all around the world and tomorrow where I live is a certain amount of time away. But I will make those 2 edits tomorrow, one of which is pretty long. Oh and I'm appealing you. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:14, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Fine, I won't appeal you. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:17, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * *sigh* edit another artical then you can edit list of games 3 more times, article, 3 more times. Etc... But if you don’t... then a warning will be issued, also, go to the desktop version. Click edit at the top. Then you can edit the entire page, thanks. 09:43, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

No need. My work here is done, unless I find more games and systems. There's nothing left for me to edit. You're not gonna give me a warning for not editing the page, are you? Not trying to be mean. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:49, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Edit one more time and I will, please, edit more things, it seems like you have great intel, please stay and help, just make sure to read the rules. 09:51, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you need help editing, ask an administer or rules, admins are names that are Light blue, Green, purple, and/or the maker of the wiki, Porplemontage, name in orange. 09:57, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

I don't need help editing. All I did was forget to type |} Lord Falafel (talk) 10:01, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * ? Ok??? 10:03, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Since the reminder, Lord Falafel is not doing anything wrong. 11:17, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you for defending me. I'm going to make more edits. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:33, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

I think I fixed my last self mistakes. And right now, I don't have anymore information about missing games, systems or ports. If I ever get another notice, I want it to be genuine. But I hope I don't. I've been very helpful in adding missing content. I hope you're all grateful for that. I don't need any notices, warnings or bans. Without me, you guys wouldn't have this stuff covered. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:49, May 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Wow. That is incredibly rude.
 * Thanks for finding more information on the games, though making the pages to provide sources and information should be the next step. Considering how simple the Game Watch titles are, I wonder if we can just make a large article...  12:56, May 28, 2019 (EDT)

I think we can. And if we do, the super Mario bros 3 watch will have to lose it's own page and be with the other game watches on one page. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:03, May 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Actually, the way our coverage is regarding individual games is they all get their own pages. Super Mario Bros. 3 (game watch) has good information and shows an article can stand on its own, but I don't know if this can apply for the rest. I think a Game Watch article can be made, but going over the Game Watches generally with a list of them, not a collection of information on the games.
 * This can probably be discussed at a later time, though, once a more solid idea is in place. 13:12, May 28, 2019 (EDT)

Please stop making several needless consecutive edits in a short timespan. Rather than saving these individually, these can be done in one edit. 21:10, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

Well, I finished correcting the inaccurate release dates and adding all the available ones that originally weren't on the list of games organized by system. And they weren't needless. I could've wrote them all down in a memo pad and edited lots down on the list altogether, but that would've taken a long time and I wanted to get the work done quickly. As long as we keep this list neatly organized with no inaccurate, missing or jumbled release dates, we won't have to worry about any future minor edits being made. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:20, June 22, 2019 (EDT)


 * "Edited lots down on the list altogether": That's exactly what I'm suggesting you should do instead. Yes they are unnecessary, because you could have done all of that in one go. It might take longer for you (tbh having the list somewhere and changing them all at once would take approximately the same amount of time), but as I said before, there's no rush in getting these up. Publishing too many edits that could have been saved with one bulk just floods the article's history page as well as the recent changes (especially since mobile edits cannot be filtered out), making navigation through these pages more difficult than if there weren't any. If this keeps up, you could receive a warning. 21:42, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

But the reminder I got wasn't from an administrator. And the guy that sent it said it was a fake one. The next edits I make will be bigger. If there are more to edit. So, I have no reason to keep making these miniscule edits because I just finished. I apologize for causing so much trouble. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:04, June 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Reminder wasn't from an admin"
 * Any member can hand out a warning.
 * "the guy that sent it said it was a fake one"
 * Wait, what... ... ...Well, overturning that, I guess.
 * Still, making your edits on a Word document for example is a good idea for a large scale edits. Just copy the page coding, edit it, and then paste it all back in one large edit. Or just edit the whole page in one go, using multiple tabs and Show preview to get around if you need to. 00:49, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, that's a little difficult to do on a tablet. Lord Falafel (talk) 00:56, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * ...Right... 00:59, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

Then I guess I know nothing about technology. Lord Falafel (talk) 01:07, June 23, 2019 (EDT)


 * Your tablet have a notepad/notes app on it? You could copy post it into that if it is an option. Just a suggestion though. Trig - 10:16, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

I have a better idea. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:19, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Adobe flash games
Thanks for notifying me about those games, but I have already documented them (Mario's Memory Madness, Wario's Whack Attack). 09:56, May 29, 2019 (EDT)

I added 2 more Adobe flash games. If you have any more, please add them to the list of games organized by system. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:34, May 29, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Missing console
Intriguing, but do you know of anything Mario-related that was planned for it? If not, maybe it can be a footnote in the Virtual Boy article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:08, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

Sadly, I do not. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:14, June 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then it looks like there isn't much we can say about it, but I've added a quick bit about its cancelation in favor of Virtual Boy in the production section of the Virtual Boy article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:12, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

That's all that matters. At least it's covered, now. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:28, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Browser or flash games
I will let you know, but so far I only know of the ones that were listed on Nintendo's site and those that show up in SKELUX's videos/database. And they are all already covered, sans a few that seem to have disappeared completely off the face of the Internet, leaving behind only their names (Wario: Master of Disguise Trivia, Yoshi's Egg Toss, Super Paper Mario Memory Match...) 17:39, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

Minor edits
If you're fixing a small mistake, typo etc. please be sure to mark the edit as "minor" by ticking the "This is a minor edit" checkbox. Editing the whole page at once (clicking the "edit" tab at the top of the page) and looking out for fixes there (as opposed to finding more after already making an edit) also saves on dispersed individual edits like these. 02:27, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. Did you see what link did? Unbelievable. I worked so hard trying to perfect this page and what does he do? He reverts many of our edits like they're mistakes. This is coming from the same guy who I told about the Nintendo super visor. And he added that to the wiki. He did me a favor. If anyone on this wiki is in favor of his banning, say I. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:57, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * He doesn't get a ban for that. Anyone can change information on the wiki, though I agree it should've been discussed with you first. I also agree with him, though; games that weren't meant to have a full release shouldn't be on the list, better left to tech demos or List of unreleased media. And shampoo bottles? Those are even video games. 11:02, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Are they anywhere else on the wiki? Lord Falafel (talk) 11:10, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Er, he has access to as many pages as you do. 11:12, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * I misunderstood your question. No, I do not believe the shampoo bottles are on the wiki, but they will probably fit here if anywhere. 12:17, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

If this happens again, I will be forced to take extreme measures. These are my edits and no one touches them. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:15, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's not how this works. There are no "measures" you can take for this. Anyone can make changes to your edits at any time. His removal was not done as an action against you, he's trying to clarify what it means for games to be on the list. 11:17, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Click on this picture for a help. -- 11:39, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * There's no minor edit box on mobile. 11:40, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Second hint, if you're having trouble with doing it, scroll down the the bottom of the page, and click on "Desktop view" to be able to do so. -- 11:41, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Too far
Ideas don't really belong on the list of games since they never officially entered a phase of production where they can actually be considered canceled. If we document every time a concept entered the head of a Nintendo employee or potential licensee (which would be fruitless), that would heavily bloat the existing list, and we already have a section on the list of unreleased media where known pitches neatly fit. Same goes for the tech demos - they aren't designed for the public and already have their own article. Your contributions are appreciated, but this basically goes with the rule of once and only once. I am curious what you meant by "Shampoo Bottle" however (note that the "list of games" is meant for video games). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:25, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Look up sonic shampoo games on Google images and browse the gallery and select some images and click related images and maybe you'll find all 4 of those Mario and donkey kong shampoo bottle games Lord Falafel (talk) 14:51, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Citation
Can you be more specific? LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:15, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

It's a Wikipedia page you can find if you use the Google search engine. There are a few sections in the page. One of them is called unreleased games. Lord Falafel (talk) 15:18, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * We don't rely on wikis as a source on its own, and looking it up, it's an unofficial homebrew, not an actual commissioned project. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:25, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Another page
You should ask an admin about that, but I'm pretty sure information about unofficial media can almost be an entirely different wiki itself. The closest is the list of Mario knockoffs acknowledged by Nintendo. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:36, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * You're not the first user to ask this question, and likely won't be the last. We aren't covering any unofficial material that isn't acknowledged by Nintendo, which includes bootlegs and second-hand products. 16:01, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Shampoo bottle
I looked these shampoo bottles up; they look more like toys than actual games to me, as far as the little "game" you play in the small screen on the bottle goes. If you find images and sources to prove their authenticity, then you may add them somewhere in the Toys or Miscellaneous merchandise gallery. Otherwise, I don't think they belong in the list of games or deserve to have their own articles, especially since they all work exactly the same... 17:02, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Tips
I see you're very enthusiastic about adding cancelled and obscure content on pages. That's all very nice but I gotta give you some pointers, because you need them.


 * Make sure the content you add fits: LinkTheLefty's decision to revert your edit on the List of games was entirely justified: it's a list of video games, it's in the name. Adding ideas that were floating around the office without going any legitimate steps of production, tech demos and soap bar things with water games is outside the scope of the page. There's also multiple instances of you adding homebrew creations that had no involvement from Nintendo or its licensees, which is explicitely outside the wiki's coverage. Before adding content, make sure to properly determine it makes sense for it to be there on the page and the level of information that is appropriate for the page you're adding it to. A page like Mario (franchise) shouldn't have complete plot summaries and list of everythings in games for example, just concicse summaries of what's notable about it.
 * Familiarize yourself with wiki markup: From your fumbling on the List of unreleased media, it's rather obvious you don't quite understand how to input wiki templates and how they're used. Everything in Category:MarioWiki policies and Help:Contents will help you get up to speed.
 * Make use of proper sourcing: When adding content, make sure hard details are sourced, and please use credible ones: justifying an edit with "This is what the Wikipedia page on X says" as you've done on many page is unacceptable. Citations explains our policy, but really, I'd recommend looking at the infinity of online ressources regarding properly journalistic sourcing etiquette and what consitutes a good source. Trust me, it'll help.
 * Fix your attitude: I get being upset when your edits are reverted or when there's a policy you disagree with. We've all been there. But flipping out and calling to ban another user for reverting one of your edit (as you did above) or making threats is not going to work, and you're not going to last long if you can't show a willingness to deal with others in good faith. Bragging statements like "[...] I've been very helpful in adding missing content. I hope you're all grateful for that. I don't need any notices, warnings or bans. Without me, you guys wouldn't have this stuff covered. aren't going to endear you to other editors either. Being protective of your additions is especially silly, because, well, nothing you do here belongs to you (and if you don't know why I'm saying that, I recommend looking at the helpful link at the bottom of every page).

Really, you shouldn't make it your mission to "popularize" stuff: adding legit stuff that's not yet on the wiki and putting it everywhere applicable is dandy, but generally, making sure your additions are of a high level quality and actually make sense to be where you put them should be priortized over being The First to add something to the internet. With all that said, happy editing. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:20, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

About the Mario ice capades summary, all I wanted to do was make sure I didn't write 2 or 3 lines. It's because I'm autistic that all of this is happening. I have hormonal and mental imbalances. I apologize for my strange behavior, but I don't wanna let every Mario fan down. If I had a computer, it'd be easier to credit my sources, but I'll try to improve. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:14, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Another list
We already have Category:Games for that.

Re. your post on citations on Glowsquid's talk: What do you mean by "can't"? 01:50, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's pretty much impossible to cite my sources on a mobile device Lord Falafel (talk) 01:56, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's not impossible at all, it just takes a little longer. That's how editing is for everyone sometimes, it's tedious work. If you're able to do all those edits, you're able to add a reference. 02:25, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * I need help from people to cite my references. I have to go to bed. Lord Falafel (talk) 02:30, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * Again, you're capable and responsible for citing it yourself; you can't have other editors obligated to do it for you out of unwillingness to do so on your own. Simply follow this format (if there's no author or date, you can remove those) as outlined on Citations, and if there's anything tripping you up, you can ask. 03:08, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

becomes Super Mario Bros. 11:05, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Sorry. I found merchandise on wikia. It could be real. We should bring in what could be official. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:08, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Just something to help
Hey,, you seem to be having a bit of trouble, just to help try reading this quote:

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How do I do that?

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They helped me a lot! 12:02, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Could've just pointed them to Help:Contents instead of just copying the entire page over, but okay. 12:33, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Eh, as long as the message gets through... 12:50, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

It got through. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:54, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Image
Elaborate? 13:11, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

One of the entries in the other videos section is called Super Mario Club and it has a reference; a video on YouTube by kiddo cabbusses's unpoplar obscurities. I need you to look up that exact video and screencap the video's title screen (not thumbnail of the video) at 0:14 seconds before the ship from star fox appears. The title screen will have Japanese text. Originally, the text will be in boxes that Mario pushes around. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:19, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Please help me when you can. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:50, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sorry for the late reply, life stuff's been keeping me busy. I'll see what I can do. 20:49, July 13, 2019 (EDT)
 * Here ya go. 08:46, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Please turn it into a jpg file, so I can add the image to the super Mario club page and the list of television series and films. Lord Falafel (talk) 10:51, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Imgur automatically converts to png. Not sure why it has to be a jpg though. 10:56, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

All the files we have on the wiki that show stuff are jpg files. Please help me with this. Lord Falafel (talk) 10:59, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Not true actually. I guess I can convert it, but it's really not necessary. 11:16, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Please convert it. It's important that the wiki covers everything. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:17, July 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Here ya go. 11:35, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

I don't get it. It's not letting me see a file. It's still on imgur. Lord Falafel (talk) 14:11, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

(almost one) reminder
Ok, listen, I am at the point of giving you a reminder, but listen, I’m a nice guy so no, but please make sure to not flood the page, if you need to do many edits, make them in 3, 3’s the limit, past then is when you get talked to, please try harder to not make 4 edits in a row 18:23, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Got it. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:25, July 13, 2019 (EDT)


 * Ok, and I see you are trying, your like me in my early days, trying not to do anything wrong, but do anyway. You can ask an admin for help!!! 18:27, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Are you an admin? Lord Falafel (talk) 18:37, July 13, 2019 (EDT)


 * No, I wish, but I am not cut out for it, so here is a list of them

EDT: uhh, Walkazo, um yeah, they died in a car crash, so, if your gonna tell them anything, pay your respects...
 * Also, please stop removing periods, there is no reason to, and it makes it unprofessional!!! 19:28, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

I did pay my respects. And where are you? Banned from the wiki, because of your actions. You're not qualified to be one of us. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:09, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Warning
Your message above was incredibly rude, as well as your message here. The latter message insulted a bureaucrat, calling him a "bully" when he was just doing his job. You also removed the Displaytitle and rules on 's talk page to, and I quote, "give him a taste of his own medicine". Continue with this behavior and you will be blocked from editing by an admin, most likely. 23:38, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

I understand your frustration with that user, but comments like "you're not qualified to be one of us" are very rude, and your statement comes across as arrogant. Please stop doing this. Also btw, I'm sorry I haven't gotten your images yet. I've been pretty busy with my Super Mario Galaxy 2 project, and I'll hopefully get around to it next week. Sorry to keep you waiting. -- 23:41, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

You're right. I also insulted link the lefty once, a while back. I'm a terrible person. I'm sorry. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:43, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Just beaten to the warning but I will post my intended message anyway. You've been reminded about making discourteous comments already. Your comment above to HEROWALUIGI was very rude, and your recent behaviour both on his and TheDarkStar's talk pages directly go against what's outlined under "insert themselves into disciplinary measures being taken by the admins." on Courtesy, which is just as bad and the sort of behaviour that earns you a warning yourself. Drop the attitude. 23:43, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

Don't worry, super Mario fan 67. I'm a pretty patient person. If you're busy, that's alright. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:44, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

I'll drop it. I won't do it again. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:46, July 13, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's alright, and please don't think you're an awful person; you're really not. Accepting responsibility for your actions and moving on from them (which you did) makes you a great person. I know you have good intentions, and as long as you don't let stuff like that happen again, everything will be okay! -- 00:09, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Thanks. Lord Falafel (talk) 00:16, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Super Mario Club
Your messages always seem to suggest you're not capable of doing something, yet this is the same thing you said about referencing before you started doing it. Any device regardless of whether it's on mobile or computer should still be able to upload. Have you not tried Special:Upload yet? 21:03, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

No. It's not for brains like mine. It's too complicated. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:13, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

Plus, I'm terrible at referencing. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:14, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * ...no? Special:Upload works like this: you save an image you find, you set "Destination filename" to whatever you'd like it to be called, you type a summary in the aboutfile, you categorize it, and you select a license from the drop-down menu. And you can indent comments by putting a colon at the start of your comment.  22:29, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

That's probably for smart and educated people who went to college and stayed for a few years. Not me. As much as I'd like to, I can't. But hopefully we won't need to worry about that if I find more people to help me upload images to this site. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:37, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thing is, people may get tired of constantly being told to upload images for you. Try hold-tapping on an image to open up the mobile equivalent of the right-click menu. "Save image" should be one of the options there. Then follow the instructions I listed, and you'll be good to go! 22:41, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's also worth noting that this insistence you're "terrible at everything" is going to wear on people's nerves fast - it doesn't take a college degree to figure out the basic aspects of a wiki, and whether you intend it or not, you may come across as abusing people's goodwill. -- 23:02, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

I thought people helped each other on the wiki, but I guess not. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:11, July 15, 2019 (EDT)


 * Yes, people don't bother helping each other on this wiki, which is totally the reason we're trying to help you figure out how to upload images on this site and demonstrate how simple it is.

This is more or less demonstrating that thing I was just talking about. -- 23:15, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

Titles
You don't need to italicise company names like Nintendo or Capcom.

Also, with article titles that have identifiers like "Super Mario Bros. (Game & Watch)", we don't need to show the part in brackets, so you just add a vertical bar before the square brackets:  (which becomes Super Mario Bros.)  21:07, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:02, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Indentation
Hello, you can indent comments by putting a colon before a comment (:TheDarkStar becomes
 * TheDarkStar).

You
 * can
 * use
 * more colons

for further indentation. Let me know if I need to clarify. Thanks! 18:54, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

What's the purpose of this? Lord Falafel (talk) 19:00, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * So it's immediately noticeable that you're continuing a discussion. 19:01, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Is hitting the space bar an option, too? Lord Falafel (talk) 19:04, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Nope. You ident to follow a conversation, and separate your comment with a line gap to make a different conversation that is still related to the talk page's sub-section. So hitting the space bar means that you are making a different conversation. 19:05, July 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * Like this? Lord Falafel (talk) 19:06, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Like that. Each indented comment should normally have one more colon than the last one. 19:08, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Not really. You cannot a line gap between comments. Indented comments need to be only a single space under the last comment, with no space in between. Having a space in between makes it so the indentation does not work. Check the page's code to see how it works. 19:09, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

I can't read code. I'm having a problem understanding the code as it is with the box of Mario kart games. Lord Falafel (talk) 19:12, July 17, 2019 (EDT)


 * Oh and something else, my memory isn't the best. So, I might forget to add a colon a lot. Like I just did. Lord Falafel (talk) 19:13, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * You see code every single time you edit. You use code in every single link. this is what I mean. Anyways, don't put yourself down, you will get it eventually, and everyone forgets sometime. 19:13, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah, just try to practice it, no one will think badly of you for forgetting occasionally. -- 14:57, July 18, 2019 (EDT) 00:55, July 18, 2019 (EDT)

Last warning
This was very rude and utterly unacceptable. You've been warned about discourteous behavior like this before, so I highly recommend reading over the courtesy policy. Continue this behavior and you will be blocked. 18:02, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

But that was at a different person. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:05, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * Doesn't matter, it's unacceptable regardless of who you direct it at. 18:06, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

They were uploading false information and copying Wikipedia, a site that many of you say is unreliable. I'm just trying to maintain the page. I didn't intend to be offensive. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:08, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Well, I got beat to this. Regardless of who it was direct at, you've been warned for this behavior before. It was a minor thing even, nothing to be threatening someone with a block over. In fact, you corrected this information yourself earlier. Please do not tell anyone they will be blocked in edit summaries. 18:10, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

But that wasn't enough. More editing needed to be done to that list. And it's not like I threatened his life. And why did he tell me there weren't inaccuracies? Lord Falafel (talk) 18:13, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * If the list needs to be fixed, in can be done without saying someone needs blocked. 18:16, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * In addition, the point of Wikipedia being 'unreliable' is that it's a wiki like this one, and thus shouldn't be cited as a source. Copying lists from it is a different matter altogether, one that (as Alex indicated) can be solved without the imperious tone demonstrated, much less claims that are false themselves (I went digging and turns out, the Nelsonic Game Watch does in fact have those games that you removed from the list). Don't presume bad faith where there might not be any. -- 18:21, July 19, 2019 (EDT) 18:20, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not a good person. Look at all the trouble I caused. It doesn't matter if I apologize. I cannot redeem myself. This wiki needs good people. Not individuals like me. Good members don't get reminders, warnings or last warnings. Unless they learn from their mistakes, which I can't seem to. I'm not qualified to be one of you. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:23, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's not true. You are a good person, and just because you went a bit over the top on a fan-wiki does not change that. You did not cause that much trouble. There are plenty of good members that got many reminders, warnings, and last warnings: some even got blocked. You can learn from your mistakes. Other users learned from their mistakes after being blocked, even. You are qualified. Please stop putting yourself down. 18:29, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
 * You do good work, and you can improve. The biggest thing to make sure of is that you don't try to assume more power than you actually have. Try talking things out first on a talk page, or ask someone else before you use stronger phrases. Especially, don't make threats you can't carry out. Most of the higher-ups are probably not going to block just because you ask. You need to provide specific proof as to why, and such proof needs to actually follow policy. Secondarily and personally, if I were you, I would take a little break, sorta refresh your mind and all, and come back with individualistic and smaller scale edits and such. This might make things feel a little less stressful, which this seems to somewhat bring you. Trig - 18:37, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Lord grammaticus, I said false information and games with no written pages. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:24, July 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * Five minutes of searching confirms that most of the games you removed (which were Game Watch games) do in fact exist, that we don't have pages on them is no real indicator of anything. Case in point: Super Mario Race. And the fact that we DON'T have an article yet means it's an opportunity. -- 18:35, July 19, 2019 (EDT) 18:35, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

And why are we a fan-wiki? Why aren't we getting attention from Nintendo and Rareware? Why aren't we a subsidiary? Why haven't they made an encyclopedia on our hard work? Are we worthless to them? Does our editing mean nothing? I want this wiki to be here for a purpose. One that gets published. Not a site that just exists. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:35, July 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * ...yeah, I'm sensing an excess of ambition and, frankly, completely unrealistic expectations on your part. We do this because we enjoy it and because we want to be a good source of information for the franchise. MarioWiki's already considered the best such wiki in that regard, we don't need to be a subsidiary to be as effective as we've been. Where is this even coming from? -- 18:40, July 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * "Why haven't they made an encyclopedia on our hard work?"
 * They did. It caused a lot of problems. Furthermore, there'd probably be a lot of both copyright issues and internal member drama should Nintendo actually try to do something. Trig - 18:47, July 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * Tangent, but I just noticed that section's name is misspelled, gonna fix that on both ends rq. -- 18:55, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Whatever that was on TheDarkStar's talk page
I'm not entirely sure what this paragraph means. HEROWALUIGI broke rules and was banned for it, yes, what about it? And I never removed Virtual Boy Wario Land from the List of games (in fact, it's still there), and I'm well aware it's a released game. The level of communication here is terrible. People are trying to help you, but your own limitations and unwillingness to get things done yourself are making things difficult for others to work with. Especially with the several directions and descriptions you've given me, it is still difficult and time-consuming to find what it is you are talking about.

Definitely go back over your Tips section Glowsquid told you about, especially when it comes to your attitude. People are willing to help, but your claims of being unable to do simple things yourself is getting - or already are - tedious, I'm pretty sure even to yourself. If you still want to help, but can't edit properly on your device after this long (I don't know what device that is, everything should come with some kind of copying ability nowadays), then find a device that works. 19:39, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

I meant virtual boy wario land for the 3DS. And I'm using a Samsung tablet. If they make or have made a mobile device that automatically reads urls and file names the way computers do, I want that. Lord Falafel (talk) 19:43, July 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * Editing from tablets isn't much more difficult than a 'regular' computer, at the least not in my experience. -- 19:46, July 21, 2019 (EDT)


 * What is tripping you up exactly? I have the same device and for any website (for any device), you just highlight the URL, tap/hold it and select "Copy". (If you're on the YouTube app, click "Share" on the video you're sourcing and select "Copy Link".) After copying, tap/hold where you want to add it and select "Paste". 01:12, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

I haven't had much experience with that. Plus, I want every editor on this wiki to help one another. Lord Falafel (talk) 01:59, July 22, 2019 (EDT)


 * That doesn't mean you can't do it. There's a difference between seeking assistance from other users and deliberately asking other users to do things for you that you're capable of doing yourself. The whole idea of the wiki in itself has always been editors helping each other. 02:33, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Mario Bros. ports
The ports exist for both systems, they're listed on this page. "Abandonware" is completely different from "cancelled", since the former at least means it came out at some point, the latter means "planned for release but never made it". -- 03:08, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

There's a difference between Mario bros and Mario bros special. Lord Falafel (talk) 08:16, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Significant, granted, but I'm not seeing anything else alluding to cancelled ports yet. -- 09:31, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Play Nintendo games
That's great! I work on pages I plan to make in my own sanbox, which has a lot in it at the moment. One thing: the names of the Play Nintendo games' articles don't use their name that appears in the box that links to them, but rather the page's name on the tab it's in (For example: Not Do you know how to party?, but Super Mario Party Fun Trivia Quiz). Otherwise, good job on expanding the List of games! 09:06, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Other videos
They're still dead links. No pages currently exist on the English Wikipedia. 21:58, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

Please tell me you put in the actual TV show Lord Falafel (talk) 22:05, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

Images
When adding non-gallery images, please remember to place them in thumbnails, otherwise they appear in their original file size on the page in desktop view (e.g., with "|thumb" at the end). Help:Image has more details on adding images to articles.

Also, only titles for games, series, books etc. are italicised, not character names. So "Mario" when referring to the series is formatted this way; "Mario" the character is not. 21:17, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxeSTyiGdE&ab_channel=PeanutButterGamer 15:32, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

I was actually going to add the toys from chadtronic's weird Mario toys video, but I wasn't sure if they were official. But thank you for sending me this video. I got educated some more and I got a good laugh. Lord Falafel (talk) 18:06, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding your choice of sources
Have you considered extending the depth of your search besides grabbing what seems to be a random result from YouTube? Google should have at least a handful of more applicable sources for whatever it is you're looking for at a given moment. -- 20:34, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

I do. Lord Falafel (talk) 20:36, August 3, 2019 (EDT)


 * Also, wouldn't it be much easier to just paste the actual URL of the pages you're referencing instead of just their title? -- 23:08, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

I can't. It's too hard. If I had a computer, it'd be easier. Once I get one, I'll be a much better editor. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:26, August 3, 2019 (EDT)


 * I know it's a bit after the fact, but I'm pretty sure that isn't gonna fly anymore. If you can copy the title of a video or article, you're more than capable of copying the LINK to it and pasting it there at minimum, if not copying both in some manner. I'm trying to phrase this in the least inflammatory manner possible, but there's a certain point where it's going to feel like you're not really trying to apply the minimum effort being asked of you - which, contrary to what you may or may not believe, isn't all that much. And I think we've hit that point. -- 03:06, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

If I can't see urls, I can't copy them. It's very hard without a computer. All I do with YouTube videos is write down the names onto the super Mario wiki. I don't copy and paste. Lord Falafel (talk) 15:33, August 18, 2019 (EDT)
 * To copy URLs for videos, hold tap on the links and then tap on "Copy link address" in the menu that comes up. Then hold tap again wherever you want to paste it in the editor, and select "Paste" in the menu that comes up. I hope this was helpful. 16:39, August 18, 2019 (EDT)


 * I'm finding it hard to believe your device cannot see URLs. I have a Samsung tablet and I can (every device should) and you already know how to copy YouTube links. Can you screen-capture your browser (hold the power and home buttons) and upload the screenshot?


 * Also going to need proof for that claim on the traffic safety video. 22:20, August 18, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. It's gaijillionaire's video just to let you know. I didn't know if you knew or not. Go to that video's comment section and look for my comment. It will start like "which library was it"? Lord Falafel (talk) 23:14, August 18, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Difficulty
I noticed you also asked on this. Although I don't think I am exactly as experienced with images as other users, I'm sure I can help you out. I currently don't have Photoshop on my laptop, but I do have a print screen button and a cropping tool in MS Paint. I should be able to screenshot the website, then crop the screenshot to show just the games. 10:43, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

==Summary==

Licensing
Lord Falafel (talk) 11:09, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

I can't see the code I sent you. I'll tell you what I want the image to be called. File:Luigi-gamewatch-japan.png I'll also tell you where the image is. https://russetburbank.net Lord Falafel (talk) 11:11, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

You'll see categories of stuff. If you see the word toys, click that and there will be related items. If you see the word game, click that as fast as you can because it quickly disappears. Once you're there, Luigi's Hammer Toss should be one of the first results. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:14, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Tell you what. I'll go to the Nelsonic game watch page and put the link there. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:34, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Four images are included with each one, with two of each showing the back. I'm planning on uploading all of them, unless there's only specific ones you want. Also, I recommend keeping the Summary and Licensing in this section. 11:50, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

I can't control that last part. What I sent you created discussion boards all by themselves. First I recommend that you take a picture of the front of the Luigi's Hammer Toss watch and don't take any pictures of the boxes zoomed in. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:23, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you for uploading those images. I'll let you know when there are more images to upload. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:31, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * You're welcome. 17:35, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Greetings
Hope I'm doing this right! My interactions via user discussion is actually quite low.

Hi Lord Falafel! I'd actually love to chat more if you're interested. If you have Discord, that'd be most convenient for me. I actually have quite a lot to say and ask about this Wiki and its history.

Ask Porplemontage about the wiki's history. I'm just a guy looking for all the obscure stuff. I don't have discord. Wiki will do fine. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:13, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Have you considered
If you are trying to add special characters like the 'o' in this case, I would suggest searching for them online (like wikipedia or something) an using the copy-paste function to add them in. Trig - 22:16, August 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Actually, just open the "special characters" menu above the editing window. They're under "Latin." Heck, I don't know how to add them only using the keyboard. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:14, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Block
I'm going to be blunt for a second: in regards to what you said here, sometimes it's better to just deal with other users fixing your edits. It happens all the time. Also, please don't take blocks for granted; you weren't blocked for no good reason either. That happens as well; in fact, it's even happened to me. If you want your voice to be heard, then do it on a talk page, or a proposal if it comes down to that. I know it may sound like Mario jc and I are picking on you and your mistakes, but that's not it at all. We're here to help.

Regarding the order of series installments, it's better to count the arcade games as exceptional cases, since most readers exclude the arcade games from their personal scope of the Mario franchise. And no, "tell[ing] the ignorant about them" likely won't change any readers' perception.

I'll see if I can integrate something about arcade games in each article concerning the Mario Kart and Mario Party series. ;) 22:49, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not saying they don't want to out of dislike or anything, I'm saying that, when counting Mario Party games, logically most people would count the "main"-series ones because, well, they were released internationally and therefore much more well-known. You can't blame them for that, or those for not knowing the other games for that matter (nor is it grounds for a block - that's not how it works around here). 00:30, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

I'm sorry I got your name wrong, Toadette. Lord Falafel (talk) 00:41, August 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * If the staff blocked people for such minor things, it would open up a whole can of worms regarding blocks and particular interests. Would I be blocked because I regard Action 52 as good? Would everyone who hates Super Mario Galaxy be blocked? I fear that with that system, only one person would be left at the end. Interests can be different, and that's good. I personally think that blocking users just because they don't happen to share a particular interest with you is very discourteous. I am not alone on this sentiment, as the messages above have proven. 14:27, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

I know. But I wasn't talking about editors. Lord Falafel (talk) 14:34, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

You mean users as non editors? Yeah. I meant that, too. Lord Falafel (talk) 14:38, August 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * I was referring only to registered users, but blocking anons because of a difference in interest isn't much better. 14:42, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

What's an anon? Lord Falafel (talk) 14:46, August 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * "Anon" is short for "anonymous user". 14:49, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

Online browser games
FYI: Info like browser games promoting a full release should go in a separate "Release" or "Promotion and marketing" section in said full release game's article; it has no business in trivia. 11:29, August 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, browser games usually don't count as "games" making up a series. 11:32, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

I just want to educate Mario fans. Not all of them will look on the list of games for every game, even though I want them to. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:36, August 23, 2019 (EDT)


 * No one's saying they should go unmentioned. Create a new header for that information like "Promotional games", but try to avoid placing them in trivia, or the introductory paragraphs for that matter (as those are reserved for a summary and the "first and foremost" facts on the subject and therefore don't fit there). I would also add simple one-off browser games like those do not count as "installments" in their respective series. 21:45, August 24, 2019 (EDT)


 * To clarify on the last sentence, that means covering them in the series article under a section like "Other games" but not counting them in the infoboxes. 22:58, August 24, 2019 (EDT)

Tips (Part II)
I already talked to you about this in the first message I sent you but I feel it bears repeating" you are too fixated on the whole "making obscure things not obscure" shtick and it's making dealing with you and your contributions difficult.

Obviously, everyone has a motivation for editing on here, and it's not a bad thing... as long as it doesn't affect the quality of your work. To take my own example, my internet footprint makes it obvious I like the little witch character from WarioWare a lot and so I've spent some time improving her page and subjects related to her, but not to the point where I try to fluff up her page or shoehorn Ashley in subjects and section where it wouldn't make sense to mention her. You, on the other hand have been letting your chip on your shoulder effect your edits negatively, whether it's rushing things to be the "first" to mention something on a page, shoehorn mention of random browser games and other relatively unimportant things in the lead of major games, and being protective of your edits and getting into really weird hissy fits when someone reverts or change your contributions related to obscure content.

It's ok to be passionate about a subject, and in other circumstances, I'd encourage your passion for obscure content. But *not* until you prioritize the quality of your contributions first. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:26, August 24, 2019 (EDT)

Final warning
I'll make this clear: please reference your material (properly) or you're getting blocked again. You've copied/pasted before (unless you mean to tell me you typed out the reference character for character), you were given simple instructions on how to do so, and even then Google is able to help you. This shouldn't be too hard. 21:51, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I typed out the reference character for character. I've never held anything down and pasted it. You cover the Nintendo cereal system. I thought you knew about the commercial. I got the reference for the release date from the list of games. Why would you want to block me? I'm the only person actively looking for this obscure content and putting it on this wiki. I'm trying to help this site become a reliable information bank for Mario fans and you want to block me? I only try to help you. I ask for nothing in return. I do this to help people. I thought you were all appreciated by my contributions. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:16, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * Regarding the second link: I went Googling and can at least see where the confusion arises from. A few sites including Giant Bomb's database like to list October 1, 1983 as the release date both in the results and on-site. However, the  article on Wikipedia cites a source that places the release for the game itself on December 12th of that same year, with the Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson compilation released "shortly after". No specific date is given, but it is no doubt later than 10/1/83.


 * The date he used seems to be wrong by all accounts, but the fault isn't entirely on him in that regard at least. -- 22:34, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * The problem I'm addressing isn't whether it's false or not; it's not referencing information that is obscure or may be deemed questionable by readers. 23:43, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * I understand that much, and I'm in agreement with you on that regard. -- 23:58, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

And regarding the first link? Lord Falafel (talk) 22:37, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * To be determined. Also, as an aside: it's better to find "outside" references as opposed to relying on pulling from within the Wiki itself (which, as the possibility has just been made clear, may or may not be based entirely on solid information). It's cool that you're into obscure content, but neither that nor invoking a "valued contributor" status absolves you of doing due diligence with regards to referencing properly. -- 22:39, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

Don't worry. I have my library card again and I'll start putting links everywhere where information's needed. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:42, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * Also also, the Donkey Kong Jr. + Jr. Sansū Lesson article we have itself cites a source that puts the release year as 1984. If ever there was an internal reference you should've checked, it was probably that. -- 22:44, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

And once again, I have to be the one to edit it in. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:48, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * Or you could drop this attitude, because it's completely unnecessary especially in light of the fact that this conversation started because you weren't properly referencing to begin with. Not only that, but the addition itself was written in quite haphazardly, and the article also has a tag that a better (presumably more conclusive) source should be found. I highly suggest you avoid taking this tone when people are actually trying to help you recognize your mistakes. -- 22:52, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

People make mistakes. Every day. Speech problems, knocking a glass on the floor, stepping on a Lego, editing. It's what makes us human. This whole wiki is full of mistakes. I've read countless editor's summaries saying they made a mistake. No one can change people from making mistakes. We're not perfect. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:00, August 25, 2019 (EDT)


 * And yet you seem to recoil in horror at the prospect of correcting yours. Spare me the sanctimony. -- 23:08, August 25, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not going to spell it out any clearer or nicer than this: You are not making mistakes. You are being ignorant and intentionally do not follow the format we provide for adding information. There is no "oh well I will try next time" anymore. You will either add proper referencing or you will be blocked. It is YOUR choice to make. Trig - 09:09, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

Chill out, dude. I'm trying my best here. I'm the only person on this wiki that's making this a dedicated website. You don't want to do this. If you block me, you'll lose the only individual on the planet who's helping you this much with obscure stuff. I have passion for it and you'll feel bad for getting rid of me. Lord Falafel (talk) 10:22, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * Chill out. Pretty sure playing the "valued contributor" card won't fly anymore, especially given that I plan to continue the whole finding obscure stuff thing. You say that you are "the only person on this wiki that's making this a dedicated website", but really, we all are making this a dedicated website. 11:38, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

By not looking for this stuff? By not fixing your grammatical and spelling errors or declaring links dead? By deleting Super Mario Bros. Pinball from the list of games? By being notified by borp about those arcade games? By not adding games or television series and films or publications or albums that you made pages for to any of your lists? With all due respect, it doesn't seem like you people are doing your job. It seems you're all neglecting this wiki. I'm trying to put a stop to that. I want to help you. But I can't do that if I'm blocked. Please send me someone to help me get some links on this site. I need someone's help. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:49, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

Why does my font look like that? Lord Falafel (talk) 11:49, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

And I meant being notified by borp about those arcade games and not putting them on the wiki. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:50, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * It was the space before the sentence that put the text in an unwieldy code box. No need to worry, I have plans to carry on the project. We're not neglecting the wiki. People make mistakes. SMB Pinball doesn't count as a videogame per se, unless there's something I'm missing here. 11:54, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

Well the list isn't called list of video games. So it all must stay. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:57, August 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * "Yes, I typed out the reference character for character." As impressive as this is, it's tedious for you, isn't it? The problem we are trying to tell you is you need to have a better way of doing this.
 * "I'm the only person actively looking for this obscure content" You are not.
 * "I thought you were all appreciated by my contributions." We're thankful, but we're not celebrating you or anything.
 * "I'm the only person on this wiki that's making this a dedicated website." Haha what?
 * "it doesn't seem like you people are doing your job." This isn't a "job" by any means, it's completely voluntary. Regardless, have you seen the Recent Changes? People are clearly active here.
 * "I want to help you. But I can't do that if I'm blocked." Then fix your attitude, because that's what's going to lead to it.
 * "most valued contributor" As determined by who? No one on the wiki is more valued than the next guy. The only person who could possibly hold that title is Porplemontage.
 * 11:59, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

I never said most valued contributor. And yes, it is tedious for me. But I don't care. I would do anything to make the Mario fan base happy. Even suffer. I would suffer to help them. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:04, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * No, but that's how you're certainly coming off. You're not being oppressed or anything, we're trying to help you get this done easier while still following community guidelines. 12:06, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

But why can't we change the community guidelines? We should be able to post links of videos and names of videos separately. What I mean is, it shouldn't matter if it's a link or a title. If people can read the title, they can type it in on YouTube and it'll be there to see. And the same goes for websites, sometimes. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:13, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * I am going to take it that you have never written a college paper ever because that is not how citations work in the slightest. That is not how it works, whether you want it to or not. It is not painful to cite a source, I promise. The point of a source is that the reader/viewer/observer does not have to do anything to find where it came from. Trig - 12:59, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

I wrote many essays in my college days. But why did you say college paper? Didn't you tell me you didn't have to be a college student to know how this works? Lord Falafel (talk) 13:02, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * Trig meant that as a comparison saying citations are important for college papers, like they are for info on the wiki. Links are much more convenient than just video titles because they save the trouble of searching for the source. 13:18, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

I guess you could say he's triggered. Haha. Not insulting, just joking. Well, I have my library card back. I'll start putting down citations. Then we won't have to worry about getting into discussions like this. You're doing great on those play Nintendo games. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:25, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
 * Thanks. ...Just make sure to remember that Play Nintendo games don't count as main-series games and are more promotional material. 18:36, August 26, 2019 (EDT)