MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as 'NO QUORUM'
 * 11) A user calls the result of the proposal and takes action(s) as decided if necessary, and archives the proposal.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Pie For Everyone
I was sifting through old files the other day, and I happen to think "What could make this job better?" Well, the obvious answer was pie.

So, I'm proposing that we have a selection of delicious pies available to any and all of our editors 24/7. Flavors include apple, cherry, blueberry and freedom (due to monitory constraints, it might be wise to limit ourselves to just those flavors). Further, these pies would be made and hand delivered by Wayoshi, using his, and I quote, "1337 wiki skillz".

Think about this for a moment. If out active users had a hot, fresh slice of grandmas straight from the oven pie hand delivered to them while they edit....well, just think of the high quality articles that we would gain. A full, satisfied stomach is a power force.

Proposer: Deadline: Nov. 3rd, 15:00

Delicious Pie

 * 1) Glowsquid As a beleiver of fascism, I know that the pie achieve greater control on the citizen and help create a better state. Glory to the pie!
 * 2) Per Ghost Jam XD
 * 3) I disagree with the pie idea but we could REWARD them some how....
 * 4) Gimmie, gimmie, *more*!  I love anything that enriches the commune.  Or the communism.  Whichever.
 * 5) -Pie is cool. I still don't understand this though.
 * 6) Snack 17:18, 30 October 2007 (EDT) - Back in '88, we didn't have the technology to hax0r pies through the intarwebz... These days, leading n00bs over at Wikipedia have developed this technology... But the proposal was thrown any since eveyone thought it was a joke... But the technology IS HERE, we just have to utilize it. If we implement this pie-hax0ring tech, we will be world famous! We could get our own Saturday morning cartoon!
 * 7) -- 07:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)Jeah pie
 * 8) Per Ghost Jam!
 * 9) Pi is good.
 * 1) Per Ghost Jam!
 * 2) Pi is good.

No Pie for You (AKA COMMUNISM)

 * 1) Son of Suns - This is pure nonsense. I also believe this proposal is so ridiculus, and I am voting for its removal.  And I am a communist so I guess I am in the right section.
 * 2) Walkazo - Per SoS (except I'm an anarchist, not a communist). I get that this a joke and I'm being a bit of a stick-in-the-mud, but the wiki is for creating professional articles about Mario. Leave the jokes for your Userpages.
 * 3) ...Did someone hack his account just to make a spammy proposal? <_<
 * 4) This is by far the most ridiculous, useless proposal i've ever seen.
 * 5) Virtual Pie = Totally worthless. -_-
 * 6) Booster -- Ugh.
 * 7) - I don't like pie. Give me milk!
 * 8) Waffles are better.
 * 1) Waffles are better.
 * 1) Waffles are better.

Comments
I vote for glasses of milk instead of pie...

...er, yes, what exactly are you trying to say? - 12:41, 29 October 2007 (EDT)


 * I was thinking that we could have a 'Pie Button' on the header bar. A user could simply click it when he/she wants pie. The button would set off an alarm on Wayoshi's computer, directing him to hax0r the pie. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 12:48, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

This proposal is perhap the most hilarious thing I ever saw here, good job. Glowsquid

What The heck is this supposed to mean? Pie?


 * Oh, for goodness sakes, this is the most ridiculous proposal I have ever seen! Why would you want to add Virtual Pie!?
 * Did any of you ever heard of something called "Tongue-in-c

heck humor"? Glowsquid

Did you ever hear of "Serious threads"? Serious threads are for serious business. Proposals are serious thread.

This is the last time I joke with you people. -_- -- Chris 17:40, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
 * ASPLOSION! The Pies go boom
 * Ok, nearly the last time.


 * You all don't seem to understand just how 1337 Wayoshi really is. He is so damn 1337 that he can actually hax0r a piece of pie, physically, through your computer screen. There is nothing virtual about it.


 * And I think it would be hilarious to leave a message on his talk page stating that the community has decided that he needs to start baking pies. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 17:45, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
 * The entire is stupid, anyway. Like Vruet said, Pie is a stupid idea, but Users should get a reward of some kind. Maybe something like what Wikipedia has.
 * I remember someone proposing Barnstars, but that didn't fly so well. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 14:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Having a reward would be lame. If you actually want to do it, then a reward is not needed, and if you DON'T want to do it, no ones FORCING you to do it over the internet.
 * Wouldn't you like to get some respect from the community? It's the least we can do, really.  Seriously, man... you know you'd like it if Porple came over to your page and slapped on the Official Steve of Approval or whatnot.  I dunno... something clever, not like that.  22:45, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
 * No, it sounds like nothing but bragging rights.
 * Wouldn't being promoted to Patroller, Sysop or 'Crat be considered a bragging right, Uniju?
 * No, a Patroller, Sysops, or 'Crat actually does something. A template does NOT.
 * How is that NOT something to brag about? -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 00:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I wish people could have some fun.
 * Purple Yoshi: These Proposals are about SERIOUS issues, not joke issues. Want to make a joke like this, make it on your Userpage.
 * While is started as a joke, it does have a few serious applications, especially since other people have joined the argument. I agree that we should have some kind of user recognition for those who contribute the most (I'm partial to Master Crash's idea below).


 * DP, I'm going to ask you to lighten up a bit. I don't mean that as an insult or an attack. Just....take things in stride, that tends to be the rule of thumb around here. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 14:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Instead of having pie, at the end of every year, there should be rewards for like:


 * The most contributant user
 * The nicest user
 * ETC

and get like a special userbox for these awards.

for instants, there should be a pic of a golden mario trophy, and on the side it says:

This user has been the most contributant user in 2007.

Didn't we already do the awards thing Master Crash? A couple users won user awards at the annual Mario Wiki awards. And isn't that gonna happen again next year? I guess I am confused, 'cause we have already have done user awards at the end of the year. -- Son of Suns Or maybe I'm wrong....any help?

People, there is NOTHING FUNNY about pie. This proposal is SERIOUS BUISNESS. Snack 17:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I agree with Master Crash. And, SoS, even if we DO have User Awards on the Mario Wiki Awards, what's stopping us from giving out casual rewards?


 * Ummmm....nothing. I wasn't talking about casual awards though.  I was merely pointing out the wiki already does what Master Crash wants it to do (I think). -- Son of Suns
 * We had awards to games, characters, etc., but not to users. - 18:41, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Case closed! We need User awards! Perhaps...


 * Nevermind then. And the lack of them does not mean we should have them.  I mean, we've had this discussion before, and we've turned down awards many times as to not cause pointless flaming over "he got an award and I didn't" and all that junk. -- Son of Suns
 * Oh, I don't mean voting who gets an award. I mean giving a User an award for a good job they did in a certain field on the Wiki.

I know what you mean DP. But that exact thing you just described has been shot down in the past for the potential of increased flaming between users. -- Son of Suns
 * OK, meh, it was worth a try to get awards here.

I cant believe that 11 voters are voting for pie, THIS IS A JOKE! PP


 * Whatever. It's not like anything will come of this proposal.  It will pass then nothing will happen.  And if we do add a pie function at the top of all pages, I will personally lead the boycott of the Super Mario Wiki. -- Son of Suns
 * sigh* Everyone get so heated up for nothing these days.

Glowsquid


 * A pie button at the top of the wiki is not "nothing". If this is a serious proposal, and that's what happens, this wiki will become a joke.  If this proposal is a joke, it should be removed. -- Son of Suns
 * Quite interestinly, we don't even have Wayoshi's word on this yet. According to the proposal, he will use his 1337ness to do that. Does he even agree? - 18:39, 31 October 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, IMO, the wiki lost any credibilty it might had with the whole "Wayoshi = Willy ZOMG!" thing.

Glowsquid

Special Mainpage
I think that the main page should be more holday wise like for instance, Halloween is coming and we can put the page full of Halloween colors and some pics created by user to go on the main page.

Proposer: Deadline: 21:55 Nov. 3rd

Don't put this on the page when holdays are coming up

 * 1) Waste of time. Dumb idea anyway... N/O.
 * 2) I had to think about this one. But, sorry, we should try NOT to add Fanart to the Main Page. Also, it would be too much trouble to try and make the Main Page look different.
 * 3)  Per all
 * 4) Alphaclaw11 no some people(not saying me) dont celebrate some holidays.
 * 5)  Per all. It's still fine for you to create your own version of the Main Page, where you use the special templates and bookmark that. Noone's going to stop you to apply special colors to that.
 * 6) -Does that have to do with Mario? No!
 * 7) Thats what userpages are for.
 * 8) Walkazo - Per PY and Glowsquid.

Comments
I could see a special main-page for April Fool, but otherwise, that seem pretty useless. Glowsquid

Quotes?
Lately i've been searching around the wikis quotes, and have seen quotes like "whupee heeheeheehee!" when thats just a bunch of giberious and also something like AHHH!!! thats just someone yelling! should we get rid of these?

Proposer: Master Crash Deadline: 22:00, Nov. 4th

Remove

 * 1) my Reason is given above
 * 2) Glowsquid I agree, quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" are useless and make the wiki look less professional.
 * 3) they are very useless quotes that make us seem like we well add any thing to articles.
 * 4) A perfect example of a good quote, can be seen on Snake's article. Quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" have no meaning, as Glowsquid says.
 * 5) &euro;zlo
 * 6) Zakor1138 'Nuff said.
 * 7) -Quotes are supposed to tell us about the character.
 * 8) - Quotes from the gibberish sounds from Superstar Saga are as useless as quotes saying "I'm the best", as there are a dozen of other characters with exactly the same or a very similar quote.
 * 9) per everyone above.
 * 10) User:Fly_Guy_2 We need better quotes, like Nastasia's.

Keep

 * 1) DELETING QUOTES? They're lots of fun! C'mon, keep them!
 * 2) I havn't seen many of these useless quotes.
 * 3) I don't see many of those here. 07:55, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
 * 1) I don't see many of those here. 07:55, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Comments
At the very least, they shouldn't be the lead-in quote. -- Son of Suns

I'm conflicted on this one. True, things like "Ahhh!" are a bit redundant in principle. But if you know the context it could have meaning. For instance, in one of the Mario Party games, Peach goes, "Booooo!" Alone that sounds like a pointless, generic utterance, but if you actually hear it, it's hilarious! All in all, I just can't decide which way to vote. - Walkazo


 * See, most of the point in the quote on the page is to show the personality of the character. So, unless the screams have something to do with the personality of the character, remove them. Example: Instead of having "Princess Peach!" as Peach's quote have "Oh? Did I win?" so we can see a bit about her personality...and stuff like that... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif
 * Definately get rid of them from the "main quote" thing, but can you leave them in the article? Check out Daisy's quote page for what I'm talking about.  22:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Arend: I don't think you understand, this proposal won't delete ALL quotes, only boring and generic one like "AHHH!!!" or "I'm the best!'. Glowsquid

Well, the ones i was sorta talkin about was only stuff like: erto robartello berto, or AHH!!! or all that other junk.

A quote is suppose to describe the character/article as best as it can (see Snakes' page). If the random gibberish defines the character best it should stay, but if its just some useless quote cause you couldn't think of something else it should be replaced.

Exactly

Arend, King Mario, we are not saying to remove ALL quotes. We are only saying to remove worthless quotes, like "AHHHHH!!!". All quotes that actually MEAN something will be kept. Get it?

Oh, well I'm still putting it on keep

"What Other Users Think Of Me Lists"
These things are just dumb. We got rid of Cool User Lists, and these are only worse. As you can most likely see, they have caused nothing but bad, and flame wars. Some of these might be OK(Like Xzelion's), but others go over the limit(Like Pokemon DP's, even if they are all MY quotes. <_<). These are mostly just the depressed people trying to make themselves look more hated, anyway, *continues into a long rant about DP that would getting him ****ing banned if he actually said it*. Therefor, I propose that we ban these, as we did with the Cool User Lists(Which NEVER ACTUALLY CAUSED ANYTHING!).

Proposer: Uniju :D Deadline: Oct. 28, 15:00

Remove

 * 1) I am the proposer, and, blah, blah, blah...
 * 2) Just as bad as the cool users list.
 * 3) Same boat as Cool Users lists. If someone really wants to know about someones past, they can look in the contribution history.
 * 4) Is wrost then Cool user list and Hated User list (if they existed) make people think bad things of other users! Everyone has a bad point but you should just see the good ones!
 * 5) My vote is in responce to DP's staement that the Wiki has a right to know.  If you have an issue with another user that isn't publically on the Wiki, it deserves to remain private.  And really, why post it here just because an issue is related to the Wiki?  If it matters that much sysops should be contacted to resolve the issue.
 * 6) Per Stumpers, strongly. It is not the wiki's business to know of every arguement someone has with somebody.
 * 1) Per Stumpers, strongly. It is not the wiki's business to know of every arguement someone has with somebody.

Keep

 * 1) Hey, if someone flames someone, the Wiki has a right to know about it! These lists show which people have flamed who, allowing them to get what they deserve when they flame. And, you only made this proposal because you are mad at me for adding all of your flames towards me onto my list. You coult end up becoming banned for what you wrote on this Proposal!
 * 2) Zakor1138 Just cause its for good intentions. So what? If you act like a lurdo everyone should know 'bout it.
 * 3) Glowsquid - See my comment below.
 * 4) I was against getting rid of cool user lists, and now people are still getting into flame wars without them. But i'm still against restricting stuff you can put on your userpage.
 * 5) Per Peachycakes, just because some might misuse it doesn't mean for me that nobody should be allowed to use it.
 * 6) User:Fly_Guy_2 Pokemon DP's right.
 * 7) - Put on your user page what you want. If there is flaming because of it, then ban the flaming. No reason to fight the cause, there are not too many incidents around.
 * 8) Not all these quotes are negative, i mean quotes like what Zach121 has is good, or funny ones like 3d's Waluigi and Petey stuff.
 * 9)  Per all, Besides mine are only kept for humor. >.>
 * 10) Per DP, thouugh I don't have one Mr. Guy

Comments
DP: -_-' Why do YOU ALWAYS THINK THAT MY REASONS ARE SELF-CENTERED? WHY THE H*** CAN'T YOU JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT I'M NOT DOING THINGS FOR ONLY MYSELF!!!!!
 * Did I see some anger? It is the path to the dark side! Zakor1138
 * Whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, Uniju. You continue like that, you will get in BIG trouble.

I think we should just change it to "Feedback". There should be no negative things. This wiki is not about pointing out if someone says something rude. Why can't people just ignore it?
 * If you flame someone, you should get in trouble for it. You shouldn't be able to get away with anything bad that you do.
 * Which is why we have Sysops, suspensions and bans. Making black-lists only adds to the problem. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 15:13, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

That's true, just don't overdo it. We all know about what happens if it happens a lot, even without quotes.

When I made this list, I had a purely humoristic goal in mind, I didn't try to make myself look hated and other non-sense. You are about the only one that take these lists seriously, and the only one to star flame war over them. As Zakor1138 said, if you act like an idiot, it's only natural for the other to know it. Glowsquid, and the cool user list DID cause my flame wars, check my archive if you don't believe it.

DP, I looked at your user page, and you posted countless censored f-bombs. If Uniju is going to get in trouble for what he posted above, and I posted them on my page wouldn't I be also using the language and the flaming? I thought we could only use those in quotes of Nintendo characters, etc., so how do we justify this? I'm not saying this because I think Uniju's comments are justified, by the way. I'm saying it because I want all of this anger stuff to get gone, quoted or freshly written. 01:22, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

i agree with PY.

Most are kept for only humor reasons, however, some are just kept to cause bad blood in the case of Pokemon DP. Therefore if they all stay, the bad blood intensifies, and if they leave, then the bad blood evaporates and we can find humor elsewhere. 08:30, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Pokemon DP's page is also a really good example of the intensification. You can see Uniju's emotions flare as a result.  It makes me wonder if Uniju would have calmed down if the list wasn't there.  Personally, I like User peace and happiness and whatnot, so I hate flame wars.  If these just cause flame wars to last longer, why are we doing them?  12:39, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Uh, this Proposal ended a while ago. :|
 * O rlly? Can I then beg of you to take down your list, not because you have to, but because you're a good, peace-loving person? *big blue eyes* You couldn't say no to this face, could you?  22:10, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Because I barely have a nice side, no. In case you didn't catch that answer, I'll say it again. No.
 * Hmm... someone needs some virtual pie. Regardless, it's not my issue so I'm butting out of it.  22:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Thank you. And, I hate pie. I prefer Pizza.

Discuss what goes on the Main Page
Today I finally took a look at the stuff featured on the Main Page, and saw this in "Did You Know?": "Ax Mummies are ax-wielding mummies [...]" Yeah... as elaborate as that is, I don't think it's absolutely neccessary for information like that to be on the first page people come across on our Wiki.

So, I'm proposing that we have weekly discussions on what kind of stuff makes it to the main page; this includes what's worthy of the news section, what quotes we should use, etc. etc. etc.

Proposer: Dodoman Deadline: 21:00 Nov 3

Yes to Discussions

 * 1) Dodo I'm the proposer, yada yada.

No to Discussions

 * 1) Son of Suns - That takes a lot of time. Anyone can change those main page boxes, so if something is wrong or is unneeded, you can simply change it.  You can also discuss what should be in those boxes on the template talk pages, in case their is a conflict.
 * 2) Walkazo - Per SoS and Wayoshi.
 * 3) - I excuse for my bad choices of Trivia items in this section. I guess it would be better if anyone except me would actually be working on it. This is not the case. Why discuss on it when you're not working?
 * 4) - Sometimes, it seems like there's so much politics that I don't want to touch things because I'm afraid of the reaction.  Please don't make the main page like that, too!  Besides, trivia is supposed to be about new articles, so there's not much to argue about.  Look at the recent changes, then edit.  BAM!
 * 5) - Per all.

Comments
I'm sure it was just a minor lazy mishap. Everything in Maintenance/Main Page has worked so far. 20:56, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

Paratroopa Page
I think Paratroopa and Red Paratroopa should be split into two articles because they're different. Who agrees?

Proposer: User:Fly_Guy_2 Deadline: October 29th, 17:00

Support Split

 * 1) User:Fly_Guy_2 I am the proposer, blah blah blah.
 * 2) Paratroopa should be a disambiguation page that links to Red and Green Paratroopas.  We don't put Goomba and Gloomba on the same page, so I would support this split.

Oppose

 * 1) User:Mr. Guy There the same
 * 2) As Mr. Guy said, they are the exact same thing.
 * 3) lla rep  (Per all)
 * 4) Walkazo If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the Koopa Troopa colour morphs to be conistant...
 * 5) Not notable enough to warrant a split. What we have now works. -- Booster

Comments
Umm, then why that red Koopa and normle Koopas toghther in one aarticle? Well that's your anser. Also Fly Guy, you've added some useles info o other pages
 * Pokémon DP, they are not exactly the same. In classical Mario platformers, Green Paratroopers cannot really fly, but merely jump around, and Red Paratroopas fly in the air. This is the same way in Super Smash Bros. Melee, by the way. - 05:23, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
 * "If we split up Green and Red shelled Paratroopas we'd have to make new pages for the Yellow and Blue-shelled variations too. Then we'd have to do the same to the Koopa Troopa colour morphs to be conistant..." (Quote from above...) What's so bad about that? Sure, it's work, but we're a Wiki!  "We write, fight, oh, yeah, that's right!"  17:08, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
 * The problem is that aside from their walking speeds there is no difference between blue and yellow Koopas except thier shell colour. All the differences between the various colours of Shells are already described on their respective pages (Red Shell, Yellow Shell, etc.), therefore, so why should we make 'another set of articles?. All it will do will get people frustrated at the number of tiny little pages they have to visit when they could have easiy read all the differences between the races on one Koopa Troopa page. Then there are the acceptions to the rule (like Parakarry and his light blue shell). Finally, you can look at the Koopa Troopa species from a biological point of view. For instance, there are three colour morphs of the Common Grackle, but in field guides they only have one article for the entire species, in which they describe (and picture) the different morphs. That one article includes just as much information as three differenet ones would have, only it was more effective in delivering that info in a clear and percise manner, making it easier to follow than three articles might be, making it better. We want to be a profesional Wiki, and what better way to acomplish this than to emulate the professionals. - Walkazo
 * Good point. I also just remembered that if you beat a Koopa out of his shell, he can enter a shell of a different color.  That doesn't change his species, though.  You win.  22:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Wow, I didn't even think about Beach Koopas! Kudos to you! - Walkazo
 * Gracias... although it makes me feel like a huge nerd that I knew htat. 22:12, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Time Machines Page
The Time Machine page consists of three officially named (one being conjectural) Time Machines, all with significant content to have its own article. Also they effect gameplay (sorta).

Proposer: Deadline: October 29th, 17:00

Support Split

 * 1) Per Above
 * 2) Booster -- Three of them are officially named, and have different designs and functions.
 * 3) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 4) Dodoman - Per all (except Walkazo >_>).
 * 5) On one condition: see below.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) -They are from different games, and are for different things.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) MOP - And it is in the Gadd inventions list.

Comments
My vote stands as long as we can use the Time Machine page to discuss the concept of time machines... and we could do double duty by listing time machines on the article and making it a psudo-disambiguation page. Sound good? Of course, if you want to just make the article disambiguation until someone gets around to writing it, be my guest. 22:45, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
 * I agree, there is also an unnamed time machine appearing in this comic which could excellently be placed on the Time Machine page.
 * Both good ideas. And Dodoman: "except Walkazo"? Pourquoi?!? - Walkazo
 * Speaking of that comic, does anyone here speak German? 01:25, 26 October 2007 (EDT)


 * At least two users are from Germany and have wonderful English: Time Q and Grandy02. -- Son of Suns
 * I am from Germany... - 13:54, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Good to know, Sos and Cobold! 12:40, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.