Talk:Nipper Dandelion

Where did the name come from? I don't see any source on any of the names on this game's page. Vent (talk) 03:36, 1 March 2013 (EST)


 * I assume that the name is from the in-game enemy museum...


 * 04:47, 1 March 2013 (EST)
 * The in-game museum doesn't provide names as far as I can remember. --Glowsquid (talk) 06:58, 1 March 2013 (EST)

I thought it did - haven't played it for a while though.

07:03, 1 March 2013 (EST)

It does not. I'm playing it just now.

07:45, 1 March 2013 (EST)


 * Ah well, thanks for clarifying that. The name might come from the Official Prima game guide.


 * 07:50, 1 March 2013 (EST)

Well "might" doesn't mean "yes". Is there anybody out there that can confirm that the enemy names do indeed come from the official Prima guide? Vent (talk) 21:46, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Palutena's Guidance
The new Palutena's Guidance talks about different Piranha Plant species, and "Nipper Dandelion" is one of the names mentioned. It sounds like its referring to this one. 72.200.164.50 21:01, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * High probability that a localizer recalled the name from a fan-site, but at the very least it's a concise name. See Ghost (Piranha Plant). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:03, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Oh no. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:11, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Well, this is in an actual game. If a game adopts a fan-name (and we don't know if they even did this time), it's a different animal than an incompetent book "translator." Anyways, that move was long enough ago that it probably didn't come directly from us. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * I mean, the wiki ignores "Rudy the Clown" because it started as a fan name. Niiue (talk) 21:14, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * In a similar vein, "Hootie the Blue Fish" is called "Propeller Piranha", which is its Japanese name. 72.200.164.50 21:15, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Not surprised tbh, the Nintendo Power name was weird. Niiue (talk) 21:17, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * "Anyways, that move was long enough ago that it probably didn't come directly from us." I checked the Mario Wikia, they don't have any information on this guy. It's unlikely a name from summer 2018 made its way into a character that likely wasn't even planned at that point, so... 21:18, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * But they actually call these things "Ghosts". I mean, that's not technically wrong, but it was obviously shortened from the full name. So yeah. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * Please take this all here, for now. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)
 * That seems familiar... I wonder why the localizers got them a wiki's name rather than giving them a new name... -- 02:01, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * I fear it got plagiarized again. -- 06:36, 2 March 2019 (EST)

LinkTheLefty got two of these guides, and now, he can tell us how are they called. -- 02:24, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * If there is no name for it in neither guide, mention or not, will it still be moved to Nipper Dandelion, even though it is plagiarism? -- 08:05, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * Imo, it should be moved, seeing as how it's an official in-game name. Plagiarism or not, the wiki's focus should be documenting all aspects of the Mario franchise, regardless of our opinions on the matter. It's not the wiki's job to determine what official material is acceptable any more than it's a dictionary's job to determine whether commonly-used slang terms are real words or not. Niiue (talk) 10:22, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's missing the point of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia proposal. At the end of the day, the same thing happened, and hopefully taking a stand on this will send a firm message to Nintendo or whomever that doing this is not okay and discourage more instances from occurring in the future. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:26, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not too sure how to proceed either. -- 10:30, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @LinkTheLefty: No it's not. Just because we're moving this to "Nipper Dandelion" again doesn't mean we again have to cater to SMBE, especially since it has officially been called "Nipper Dandelion" outside of SMBE. 10:32, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @LinkTheLefty: Why is that necessary in the first place? How is it a good idea to limit our coverage to spite NoA for using our made-up names instead of making up their own names? I honestly don't get why we have this attitude that names from fanon are irredeemably unofficial regardless of whether Nintendo uses them or not. It just feels like shooting ourselves in the foot more than anything. Niiue (talk) 10:34, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Why revisit the encyclopedia when we have more official name? -- 10:36, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure how the encyclopedia's relevant here, anyhow. In-game names are a bit more official than names from a third-party publisher. Niiue (talk) 10:37, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Agreed here too. 10:38, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * (directed mainly at LinkTheLefty) Plus, it's highly unlikely that us making a "stand" will change anything at all. 10:39, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @LinkTheLefty, what did you mean by revisiting the encyclopedia? -- 10:41, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @Toadette the Achiever: Agreed. I doubt Nintendo will be affected in any way by us giving them the cold shoulder. Niiue (talk) 10:42, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * If we cited names from us we would essentially be citing ourselves, which is unofficial. I am fine with using names of previously unamed subjects as long as we 100 percent know it did not come from fanon, though, if it is lowest source priority. 10:47, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Why is it impossible for an unofficial name to become official? It happened with shiny Pokémon, why can't it happen here? This whole idea that we should ignore official sources unless they make up their own names just feels wrong to me. Niiue (talk) 10:51, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Glowsquid detailed this before, but Soarin' Stu (along with the many other encyclopedia infractions) breaks the terms of the wiki's licensing - and Nipper Dandelion equally does as well. Besides, already are giving Watage Pakkun special treatment separate from the encyclopedia by mentioning the in-game "Nipper Dandelion" name within the article, just not as its title. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:57, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @Niiue that is a fair point. I mean, while these enemies that were originally called Goombas in a PRIMA guide were unofficially called Balloon Goombas from us which was what they called in the SMBE the name "Balloon Goombas" is really the only logical name, so chances are that that name is their intended name. 11:03, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * There are a ton of examples from us, but I don't see "Balloon Goombas" anywhere. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:10, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * @LinkTheLefty: You're again missing mine and Niiue's points above. We aren't requesting that this be moved back to Nipper Dandelion just because its what's used in SMBE, but rather because it's an in-game name. Plus, the licensing issue you brought up only covers SMBE, not in-game names. 11:13, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * From my understanding, in-game names are also affected by the licensing issue since they're from commercial products that don't have the same license as us. I still think it's a bad idea to retcon official sources because of it, though. Niiue (talk) 11:17, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Never mind, that was the impression a got from the page's talk page, however looking at page 210 the book considers them the same enemy. Anyways I am for moving this back to Nipper Dandelion as it is used in-game. 11:18, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * The licensing applies to (commercial) redistribution in general, which is precisely applicable to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, regardless if you happen to see content redistributed on a television or in print. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:21, March 23, 2019 (EDT)