Talk:Paper Mario: Color Splash

Missing things
Where is the reception?! －&thinsp; yhynerson1 ( talk,  contribs )  20:42, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
 * The game hasn't even been released, so there is no reception to report. MarioComix (talk) 21:36, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
 * What we need is a "Spike Guy" article. --LTIan (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2016 (EDT)

Do you really think adding the pre-release fanbase reception was a good idea?
I don't think adding it is a good idea at all. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I know Super Mario Wiki here tends to avoid "fanbase reception", and usually only reports on official reviews and sales. However, the edit does provide sources, and I personally can't invalidate those any more than official reviews. MarioComix (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I don't know how reliable the said sources are, if they are wiki-material sources. 19:01, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Just to say, the Fan Reception that was added a while ago was copy and pasted right from Wikipedia. 20:38, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes, I KNOW it was copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I just think it doesn't suit for it to include the fanbase reception, unless it makes them beyond happy or beyond sad/angry. Gold Luigi (talk) 04:32, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Should've reverted plagiarism at first notice. In terms of fan reactions, there isn't much say in Reception and sales except "User scores on larger publications and Nintendo's own built-in systems (such as on the Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS or Wii U) can also be used, especially if there's a noticeable discrepancy between critic and player reception." though the next sentence immediately warns: "However, it's generally unadvisable to make qualitative statements such as 'The game was well-received on Miiverse', as these statements are prone to weasel-wording and can hardly be 'proven' one way or another." I have to note on the latter part of the later sentences on why I do not support making statements on general fan section. There are no means to properly generalize fan reactions (after all, this whole "negative fan reception" can characterize a mere vocal minority). That there is one source, techradar, is fine, but it's one of the two sources (techradar and nintendo-insider) provided and you also have to examine the source rather than accept them just for being sources. The source provided is a single opinion by an author from techradar is far from enough to avoid a hasty generalization as "fans of the series, who were critical of the game for seemingly continuing the gameplay style used in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, which had a lessened focus on RPG elements, story, and featured no original characters" (techradar's opinion piece was the source for that statement). Sure, the piece itself says, "Us Paper fans are very wary", but that's just an empty statement. The other source, is again, an opinion piece from techradar. To be fair, this one does a tad better job at trying to sum up fan reactions, but its only supporting evidence is that there is a change org petition to cancel the game and one comment. The rest is just opinion, not really reporting. The last source is basically a repeat of the change org petition, but it's also not supported and does not make any generalizations to fan reactions. I don't think fan knee-jerk reactions deserve any coverage on this wiki unless they're actually significant. These aren't. None of these sources themselves provide anything substantial to back up the claim that "fan reception is very negative" aside from the ridiculous change.org petition. Even then, something on change.org isn't significant aside from there are really unhinged people in the Paper Mario fanbase. 20:01, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I say we put back the reviews because, remember the game had only been around for 30 minutes when it was first announced and people already hated it. 16:45, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
 * This is not the first game that had mixed reception from the fans who judged only using the trailer as source. If you want pre-release fan reception to be covered for all games, I think you should make a proposal.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
 * @Fawful's Minion: YouTube comments sections are hardly good indicators of a resource that is difficult to quantificate and therefore add as a legit source in MarioWiki. As for the reviewer comments, it sounds like a legit op-ed but I'm not too sure if it's a good idea to source it, for all the reasons my twin has said. 20:34, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

Sledge Bro.
Can someone please tell me if Sledge Bro. is really a boss in Paper Mario: Color Splash, because I remove this information since there was no source that come with this information and now someone else add this information back to the article and once again without a source. So, do Sledge Bro. make a appearance in Paper Mario: Color Splash as a boss? -- 14:00, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm 100% sure that i've seen a Sledge Bro as a boss in a demo at E3 (on YouTube), but right now i can't find it anywhere :c I think it's a better idea to remove Sledge Bro from the page, maybe it was just the boss for the demo. - 20:29, 17 June 2016 (CET)
 * He appears in the GameXplain's video of 15 minutes of footage from a game demo, along with a collectible to increase the maximum number of cards that can be used at once. Since the video was made private or maybe even removed, we cannot cite a source for now. This is also why I didn't add the line about the collectible.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Do you have a video for proof? --LTIan (talk) 23:50, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
 * As I said before, the video was made provate or removed, this is why I didn't add relevant information contained in it. As far as I'm concerned, we might have to remove Sledge Bro as well, until official material reconfirms him.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:21, 29 June 2016 (EDT)

Backwards "L"
I do not know if it's me who not notice much because the "L" on Luigi's cap is small, but when Luigi is found and he is surprised, when he is surprised, the "L" on Luigi's cap backwards? I need that other people confirmed and if yes, is it trivia worthy?-- 18:00, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

Here on this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI&feature=youtu.be&t=20m1s --  18:01, 21 June 2016 (EDT)


 * I doubt it'd be particularly noteworthy, probably an error or minor laziness on the part of whoever did the character model (if that's even the right term). 18:06, 21 June 2016 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I noticed that, too. Perhaps it'll be fix in the final version. If not, then yeah, trivia. 18:07, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

Remove Morton Koopa, Jr. from Boss List
While I do understand that the Koopalings will appear in this game, I would appreciate it if someone could just remove Morton's name from the list. Because until I know if the other Koopalings will make their apperances, I don't want to see a single Koopaling name in that list. Just leave the Koopalings' listing alone. --LTIan (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * It has been said that the Koopalings will appear in the game, but Morton is the only one to date we saw, so saying that Morton will appears is preferable.-- 12:58, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * But Mario JC said that "All Nintendo said was that "the Koopalings" will appear, so to be on the safer side, it should appropriately be left as "Koopalings"." So I think we should remove Morton's name and just leave it as Koopalings in the Boss List. Until there are 2 or more Koopalings available, I don't want to see Morton's name on there. --LTIan (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I do not see the problem of having Morton on this page, since it is the only one of the seven Koopalings whose role is confirmed. It's valid information and I don’t think we should remove valid information just because it not please somebody-- 16:13, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * Where is it confirmed anyway? If the Koopalings are confirmed to make an appearance here in Color Splash, we can also list their names in the characters section, just not under the boss fights. 17:02, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * I'll put them under "Others" section then. --LTIan (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2016 (EDT)
 * You misunderstood what I said: I never said Morton's name should be removed nor was I displeased at its being there, what I meant from what I said was that it should be left as "Koopalings" as well as his name, because he's the only one confirmed. I thought that much was obvious so I didn't bring it up, sorry for not making that clear.
 * OK. But can I at least put Bowser in the boss section? If the Koopalings are involved with some sort of color-stealing scheme, I think Bowser may be the one who's behind it all. --LTIan (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
 * That is a different story and falls under the category of speculation. Unlike the Koopalings, there's no source that explicitly states or mentions anything relating to Bowser's appearance or role.
 * Fine, I'll put Bowser in the Others section, too. JIC if he should be involved. --LTIan (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2016 (EDT)

Let's try to clarify the reasons behind the current choices in the "Bosses" section:


 * the Koopalings as bosses have been confirmed by Tabata, so they appear in the "Bosses" section as group;
 * Tabata did not mention the actual names of the Koopalings involved, the names were mentioned in the Nintendo Minutes after E3 as simply a list of all the Koopalings, furthermore it is not clear how they appear, just look at Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, where they were fought in groups and even more than once; therefore their individual names are not added in said "Bosses" section;
 * the reason why Morton was added does not stem from Tabata's interview: a playthrough of the game repeated in two events (E3 and Hyper Japan Festival) showed a boss battle in which Morton is fought alone, therefore he was added among the bosses and since he's a Koopaling, as part of the Koopalings group.

I hope that this explanation will clarify the reason why Morton is listed alone and not the other Koopalings. Since there was also a disagreement regarding the "Others" section I think it would be wise to gather all official material that explicitly says that all of them will be present and then reach here an agreement before making edits to said section.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:25, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Then just take out the letter 's' in Koopalings and just leave the word 'Koopaling' under the bosses' section. When, and if when, there are more Koopalings shown in the game, the 's' can go back in the word 'Koopaling'. The trouble is I hate Grammar being out of place.

For example:

Koopaling is a singular word. That means 'ONE' koopaling. Koopalings is a plural word. That means 'more than one' koopaling.

Now, if Morton's the only Koopaling that's shown so far, then just take out the letter 's' in the word, "Koopalings", and just leave it as Koopaling until more show up. --LTIan (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
 * The Koopalings as a group have been confirmed by a different source from the one that led to the addition of Morton, as soon as new boss battles with Koopalings will be revealed, they will be added under that group, but again, remember that the source for the Koopalings as group and for Morton are different.--Mister Wu (talk) 02:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
 * Then can't we just leave the word "Koopalings" as Koopaling in the Bosses section until more boss battles are revealed? --LTIan (talk) 15:55, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry that you don't understand what I write, I'll try to explain once more: the Koopalings as group are confirmed by Tabata's interview and are mentioned in the "Bosses" section; since the battle with Morton from the final game has been shown, it is listed. It made sense to list it under that group since he's a Koopaling. But again, the Koopalings as group are confirmed and thus are mentioned with the plural, just the way they will be battled except for Morton is not confirmed and thus it is not listed in the Bosses section.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Things
According to somewhere near the end of the video here: http://nintendoeverything.com/paper-mario-color-splash-demonstration-hyper-japan-festival-2016/ Things are now squeezed into cards immediately, implying the Sling-a-Thing is no more. --24.231.38.180
 * Added this information on the main page. Thanks for pointing to the video, it was really interesting!--Mister Wu (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2016 (EDT)

Fully Protect this page until the game's release
I may sound picky about this but could an Administrator please protect this page because some users mainly keep adding false information such as listing all the Koopalings even adding unconfirmed content. And even adding a speculative plot. So could an Admin please protect the page until the game's official release. 19:12, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
 * If it's just one user, we could just restrict that user's editing privileges. Given that is likely autoconfirmed by now, semi-protecting the page wouldn't be productive and fully protecting would be counterproductive.  20:13, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
 * To be fair, the two enemies were added because the enemy cards are shown in the game. Since enemy cards are obtained from defeated enemies, this is the reason why the two enemies were added last time. I think a better way to handle this is trying to talk to directly, I'm not English so I couldn't explain the reasons why the Koopalings weren't added to the bosses section properly.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:06, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
 * I mentioned his conflict with the speculation twice before, the unsourced characters seem to be a new one as of July 22 2016 6:01 (GMT). 02:08, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Okay, it's officially settled. 02:06, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

PEGI 7
The game was officially Re-Rated from PEGI 3 to PEGI 7.--78.87.23.28 14:05, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I see, it's in the latest video of the game! I'll update the information on the main page.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:16, 17 August 2016 (EDT)

Gamescom 2016
Frog Suit, Spin Jump, a new type of Shy Guy (The Shy Bandit), Yoshi, some new Things cards and Bone Goombas were shown in the event. (http://flare-blog.tumblr.com/post/149126927141/frog-suit-spin-jump-a-new-type-of-shy-guy-the).
 * There is also a gameplay video, unfortunately until Sunday I'll likely won't be able to add all the new aspects that were revealed.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I'll do it! Koopalmier (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Reference
I don't really know how to add a reference link but I got information about the max paint upgrade animation, can someone add it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urwb26zdFE&t=47s
 * Did that! Having a direct reference is nice, so thanks for pointing that out! By the way, remember to add a signature, possibly with date!--Mister Wu (talk) 18:01, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Bowser Artwork
The UK page has been updated, adding ??? (read:Bowser) and has artwork for him. http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/Paper-Mario-Color-Splash-1090845.html#story
 * Thanks for the tip! I added the artwork to the main page and the gallery!--Mister Wu (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2016 (EDT)

Petea?
Why is Petey Piranha called Petea? Ultimate Mr. L ( Talk ) 12:23, 25 September 2016 (EDT)


 * Probably to make a tea joke, given the fact that he's found in a teapot. Regardless, that's what he's called in this game so that's what we list. 12:29, 25 September 2016 (EDT)


 * That's very odd. I doubt they'd change the name of a major recurring character like that. It could easily be a typo. I don't know. I guess we'll see when the game comes out.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L  ( Talk ) 12:44, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
 * What you are seeing is the final game. Petea is different from Petey, as there is a "tail" from the tea envelope that Petey doesn't have. It's probably a new character or a variation of Petey. If the museum has bios we will know the proper definition, but it's surely not exactly like Petey--Mister Wu (talk) 13:11, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Two questions. 1) Could you show me a picture so I can see the differences and 2) Should we the remove the Color Splash section on Petey's article until we confirm whether or not it's a new character?Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L  ( Talk ) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Forget the first question. I saw a picture.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L  ( Talk ) 17:11, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
 * It might be wise to remove it from Petey's page, until we get confirmation from the game that he's actually Petey Piranha and not a related character. If a section has already been made about him, creating a new page with the content of the section might be a good idea. I'm not a part of the wiki's staff, though, so I'd wait an opinion from one of them.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

I think it's best to allow for the game to first be released, so we'd be deciding as players, rather than observers of a gameplay video. If "Petea" is shown to be a separate character (whether "Petey" is referenced elsewhere in the game), then the teabag should definitely receive its own page. But even if he's not referenced, I'd be leaning towards allowing Petea to remain merged. The attached tea label on the string disappears after the battle is won, so it doesn't seem to be a permanent part of him. Therefore he seems more of an alter-ego of Petey.

19:02, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Birdo
It appears that Birdo is in the game, but where is she in the stream? (Found her in the files though).


 * In Plum Park, https://youtu.be/QcJNTANspYo?t=3h59m58s

Full Story?
I was just wondering since some people have the full version of the game because of the eShop mishap, and that Crunchii is doing a stream, should we update the wiki page with the full story and stuff like stages and characters? -- 20:31, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

Steak Boss
So, what should I call this thing? You can see it in the 'Adventure Unfolds' trailer at 3:10, and in game it's fought like a boss in a cooking mission. The code calls it 'Boss Beef', though I'm not sure I should use a code name like that.

Any ideas?

Cheat-master30
 * It's just "Steak". Koopalmier (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
 * You can see the boss in this stream. Indeed, like Koopalmier said, its name is just Steak.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:05, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
 * So what should we do about the page? Cause the one for Steak redirects to Meat, an item in the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi series. But this thing is called Steak. Seems kind of weird to add a mention to the Meat page.Cheat-master30
 * We have to create a Steak (boss) page, and creating a disambiguation line at the beginning of said new page.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

Concept Art
An album containing the concept art of Paper Mario Color Splash is available.

https://imgur.com/a/Xqd7F

At the very least, it has pictures of Huey's concepts as well as a clear shot of Black Bowser's Castle.


 * They're so cool! Thanks for the link, they've all been uploaded and placed on the game's gallery (although most of them are missing a proper descrption).


 * 20:57, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Ratings are out
https://www.google.com/search?q=paper+mario+color+splash+review Around 7.4-8.5 out of 10. －&thinsp; KurwaAntics ( talk,  contribs )  19:07, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I think Metacritic and Gamerankings are more useful to find the reviews. I don't plan to make a section about critical reception soon, so if you want, feel free to make it using other games here having such a section as an example.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2016 (EDT)

Replica for Every Thing Card?
There's only a replica for the Fan, Lemon and Piggy Bank as seen in the wiki (Paper Mario: Color Splash), but according to a sprites in-game site there's a replica version for every Thing Card. What should we do? Remove those three specifications and say there's a replica for every Thing? --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 07:13, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Ok just noticed there's a Huey replica so it must be fake or someThing. Did you see what I just did there? Ok enough silly jokes --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
 * Replicas are different Cards with a slightly different animation that even trigger different lines of dialogue, so they shoudl be lsited until the Battle cards page is done.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2016 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. Underground Theme
@Tails777 An edit war has arisen and it must be addressed. Me and Tails777 (Talk) disagree as to whether or not the Super Mario Bros. Underground Theme is really a reference anymore. He says it's not because it appears in so many games and it's like saying a Goomba appearing is a reference to Super Mario Bros. But There are many games where the theme doesn't appear. We need the input of other users. Is it a reference or not? 20:17, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I agree with Tails777. It's not really as much a reference as it is a homage. Might as well say the same thing about the Mario Bros. main theme. True, it doesn't appear in every game, but neither does Luigi. Should we reference Mario Bros. every time Luigi appears? And an edit war is when an edit is reverted and re-revert three times, I think. This wasn't an edit war, just a disagreement. 20:19, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I'm also agreeing with Tails here. Unless the music is straight ripped with the 8-bit sounds intact, it can't be a reference to the game in question Super Mario Bros. any more. 20:25, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I agree with you though. Any remixed version is a reference to the first version, not to another version neither considered not a reference. --Sergio-Yoshi (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * OK, Tails. You win. Actually, now that I've seen the reasons of the opposing side, I agree with it too. Not a reference.
 * 22:15, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
 * I apologize if we did end up in an edit war, but I'm glad we were able to talk it out, even if I wasn't involved much here.
 * It wasn't really an edit war, but I wanted to talk it out before it turned into one. :)
 * 10:37, 12 October 2016 (EDT)