Talk:Birdo/Archive 1

Birdo's Voice
How does Birdo get her voice back in Superstar Saga? She can speak as "Rookie", so how did she get it back?


 * She also said "Birdo" when they first saw her.


 * Yeah, but how did she get it back?

Maybe that was a different Birdo? 23:41, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

I imagine after the Peach Bots were a failure that they simply would have gone back and retrieved it once it had been abandoned by Cackletta, probably using a similar method as to the way it was stolen originally (E.Gadd was in that game yeah he could have helped?) I'd just assume that it was no pivotal enough of a story line to be included in a cutscene.

You could mention those two possibilities in the article, but say the real reason in not known for sure.

Characters and Species
Information on Birdo, both "characters" and species, will go on this page. There is not one Birdo character, but many, and we are not creating an article on every specific Birdo. Unlike Yoshi or Toad, which started as a character and became a species, Birdo has always been a species and individual Birdos have appeared, such as what happened with Goombas and other enemies. -- Son of Suns

I would think the Birdo with the ring who always hangs-out with Yoshi is always the same person though. -- Sir Grodus


 * I would think the Birdo with the ring who always hangs-out with Yoshi is always the same Birdo though.


 * Corrected! --Bentendo 14:47, 26 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, it would not be incorrect to label Birdo a person. Birdo is an intelligent, sapient being, and thus can be labelled a person. Birdo is of course not a human though. Anyways, there are just so many individual Birdo characters, it would be better to keep all info on one page. In this game, a Birdo did this....in this game (likely the same Birdo from that game) did this....etc. -- Son of Suns


 * I was just kidding... 8/ --Bentendo 15:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)


 * Umm.....well, the second part is still relevant. -- Son of Suns
 * Hey, you guys, shouldn't we make an individual Birdo (species) page? I mean, the species is different than the actual individual Birdo, am I correct? I know for a fact that they are a species from games like Super Mario Strikers. Any thoughts on this? --Jolene
 * My thoughts exactly. Based on the information in Super Mario Advance, each Birdo encountered by Mario and friends was the same (note the voice, and the irritation at their persistence, etc.).  This is proof in my book that there is a special Birdo.  Even Toad does not have that great of a distinction.  Let's take a vote. --Stumpers


 * Well, the birdo in Super Mario Bros. 2 is bad, while the birdo who is Yoshi's friend is good. They're a species. 20:14, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Should the article be separated into Birdo (species) and Birdo as a character?
'PLEASE DO NOT POST HERE. AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL HAS BEEN CREATED ON Proposals. TRANSFER YOUR VOTE, PLEASE!' 01:38, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Now that we have proposals, this can't decide anything. I've been noticing some new votes coming up, so... should I make one? 09:50, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yup. 09:59, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Support

 * 1) Stumpers
 * 2) Javier12345:Like that is Toads article
 * 21:25, 10 December 2007 (EST) I believe there is only one Birdo in SMB2 and that is the same one that appears in later sports games. Her ring makes her stick out from other Birdos and although she has appeared in less games, she is more distinct than Toad.
 * 1) Walkazo - Per all. But shouldn't we make this an official Proposal?
 * 2) - My comment below.
 * 1) - My comment below.

Oppose

 * 1) Son of Suns - There have been many Birdo characters and its quite clear they are all not the same Birdo.


 * 1) Theryguy512 19:57, 10 December 2007 (EST) Well, the Birdo (character) is a Birdo (species), and if we move this one, we have to move Yoshi, etc.


 * 1) http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Per Son of Suns-we have no proof all those Birdos are the same. But we already moved Yoshi, Theryguy.

Comments
Please see my above comment for my reasoning. --Stumpers
 * Actually, my point is that we're being inconsistent, since we DO have all of those for Yoshi, Toad, and the like. 20:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)
 * This was started before the proposals were in effect. I don't do proposals b/c I'm very sporatic in terms of Wiki editing, but if you wanted to submit this and transfer the votes you're more than welcome.  01:15, 31 December 2007 (EST)

We have one Birdo and an entire species. Should we split? Yes. One Birdo has appeared, and it happened to be the Birdo we all know. And the species we fight in SMB2. So I see a need why we need to spit them. I know without the two combined, the article would be a bit smaller, but, Birdo deserves to have its own article, and so does the species.

Birdo is definitely a species, because the Super Mario Bros. 2 birdo is bad and the one or ones (I don't care) who hang out with Yoshi are good, as Yoshi is good. It could be split, but since it's not for sure that any two are the same, and there's not much to say about Birdo as a character or species, you should maybe leave it as one, and mention in the article that the Birdo in the sports and party games may be the same, but it's unsure. After all Koopa Troopas are in many sports games, and they're probably not the same. 16:34, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * The way that the Wiki has previously (Toad, Yoshi) decided whether there could be a character AND a species was whether the character was referred to directly. As in, "Go with Yoshi and save Peach!" rather than, "Go with THIS Yoshi and save Peach!" And, Birdo has been referred to directly as Birdo in Mario Party (as has any "species" character).  Additionally, the manual to Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) specifically notes Birdo, Mouser, etc. as characters rather than a species.  This idea was further cemented in Super Mario Advance when Birdo was given a voice.  It remained consistent throughout the game.  She voiced continued growing annoyance, and even when a green Birdo showed up (which you would think would constitute a different character), the line was, "I'm ready for you THIS time!" which of course implies that she had seen Mario and friends before.  In other words, if nothing else, the character article should cover "Birdo" from Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA).  You can't deny that.  20:06, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * But do you really think one Birdo would fight Mario and friends, and then be Yoshi's secret girlfriend? 20:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)


 * I would hold my own opinion below Nintendo's for the purpose of the Wiki in either case, but I gotta admit you have a point. But: love can do strange things, right?  01:06, 1 March 2008 (EST)


 * Heh heh. I'm not sure of their real relationship, but it's obvious they're friendly with each other. I think the best expaination is that the Birdos in the sports and party games are the same, but not the one or ones in SMB2.

Heh

Could there at least be one mention that it's unknown why Birdo changes from bad to good? It doesn't have to say there might be two birdos, just say it's unknown why she- he- it changes alliances.
 * Of course! What I was trying to get away from was speculation regarding solutions to the "plot hole." I mean, I'm fine with speculation when it's needed (ie the Luigi's Mansion Bowser Suit theory), but it's just when the article can be written with out it, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to leave it out.  So, to point out a plot hole is a-ok, and is actually good writing if you ask me.  18:05, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe I'll add it later. I thought that's what you didn't really want me to do.

Birdo image
Can we use this for the first image???Javier12345