Talk:Shellcreeper

Is there a source that confirms the trivia fact: "Luigi's clothing was based on the Shellcreeper's colour scheme."? --Landfish7 (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2014 (EST)
 * It's not that it was "based" on his color scheme, it IS his color scheme. He uses the same palette as the Shellcreeper in order to be the "green Mario." 68.42.190.99 16:43, 27 January 2017 (EST)

ancestor
If that's the case, shouldn't this be the koopa's parents species then? MarioLover54 12:50 PM July 17, 2019 (EST)
 * The Wii U trophy in question does state "apparently", which isn't outright confirmation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:04, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Koopas?
So I was looking at the Perfect Edition of the whatever, and it seems to list the Shellcreepers as belonging to the カメ族. Would that mean they're Koopas? Blinker (talk) 06:54, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * The problem with that is Shellcreepers were introduced before Koopas, so I doubt it. 06:58, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * Sure, but just because Koopas as a concept didn't exist at the time, that doesn't mean they can't have been classified as such, retroactively, right? Blinker (talk) 14:30, September 13, 2021 (EDT)
 * While I'm generally not a fan of retroactive variance (hence my stance that Rocky Wrench cannot be a variant of Monty Mole, but rather the other way around), since "Koopa" (as in Kame-zoku) is not an individual species but rather a wide range of related species, I don't see a problem with it. It helps that "variant" isn't quite the same as "derived" in meaning. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:44, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * I happened to have stumbled upon something very interesting. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:06, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
 * My latency causes the resolution to be a bit low, but I'm pretty sure I see some クリーパー (creeper) in the labels. Interesting indeed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:02, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
 * I've ripped and detailed it here. We've had early names for some Super Mario Bros. enemies go unnoticed for a while. They're indeed all based on Shellcreeper (Koopa Troopa is notably missing - I would've loved to know if it was supposed to be Shellcreeper or another derivative!). It seems at some point they ditched the Shellcreeper shell pattern for the most part in favor of making them more distinct. This pretty much is the missing link between Shellcreeper and Koopa. On another note, I should add that page 55 of that encyclopedia says the following with regards to it:"カメ族 のルーツはこのキャラ すべてのカメ族 の元祖 . ノコノコなどと違 い、踏 んでもやっつけられない. 床下 からひっくり返 し、キックでやっつけよう. 最後 の一匹 は、スピードアップするので注意 . ↑寂 しいのか青 ざめている. ( The Turtle Tribe's roots are in this character! It's the originator of the whole Turtle Tribe. Unlike Koopa Troopa, it can't be beaten even if stepped on. Turn it over from under the floor, then kick to beat it. Careful, the last one will speed up. Is it blue because it's lonely? )"This aligns with the more recent trophy statements, though interestingly it mentions the entire Turtle Tribe in Japanese rather than just Koopa Troopa. Personally, I'd put the Koopa species as Shellcreeper's derivative and consider Koopa Troopa its closest relative (EDIT: perhaps add Spiny as relative as well due to its repeated history as Shellcreeper's replacement) - the word "roots" very strongly suggests there would simply be no Turtle Tribe without Shellcreeper, literally and figuratively - but it's a bit of an unusual case. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:57, October 19, 2021 (EDT)