MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. (All times GMT).
 * 3) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 4) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 5) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 6) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 7) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 8) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 9) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 10) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 12) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 13) Proposals cannot be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 14) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 15) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in GMT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 23:59 GMT, the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is 23:59 PM of the Wednesday of the next week, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format
This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what you want this Proposal to be like, what changes you would suggest and what this is about]

Proposer: Voting start: [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "2 January, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.] Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3, 4, and 5, as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
 * 4) Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 5) After two weeks, a clear majority of three votes is required. Without the majority, the talk page proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM."
 * 6) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Split SSX on Tour from Video game references. (Discuss) Passed
 * Split Mushroom (Super Mario RPG info) into Mushroom and (Discuss) Passed
 * Split Dragon into and . (Discuss) Passed
 * Split Entei's info into Pokémon and . (Discuss) Passed
 * Merge Pale Piranha into Piranha Plant. (Discuss) Deadline: 3 April 2010, 23:59
 * Split from Piranha Plant. (Discuss) Deadline: 3 April 2010, 23:59

Notable "Unofficial" Games
Why isn't there a section for notable "unlicensed" games? The page on Canonicity states that "fan creations, such as fan-fiction, fan-made video games, or fan-theories, are not to be referenced within our articles". I understand the "no-fanfiction" part, but I've seen what seems to be fan theories on several pages ("he is possibly a ..., but this is uncertain") and the page on Super Mario Bros. Special mentions the unofficial NES port.

My suggestion is not referring to crappy recolors or "Super (word) Bros." or the like. I refer to well-received fan-hacks such as...
 * The games of Dahrkdaiz (NES): I especially refer to Mario Adventure, a hack of Super Mario Bros. 3 that essentially rebuilt the game from the ground-up.
 * The Super Mario Bros. Deluxe series (SNES): A series of three Super Mario World hacks that import the levels of Mario 1, 2, and Lost Levels respectively plus a few bonuses – such as World-e in Lost Levels Deluxe.
 * Kaizo Mario World (SNES): Hack of Super Mario World that has become rather well-known for its insane difficulty.
 * Mushroom Kingdom Fusion (PC): A massive crossover-game featuring Mario and Sonic characters among many, many others. Has its own Wiki.

I also refer to "pirated" games that, although unofficial, have nonetheless been well-noticed by the fan community.
 * Super Mario 3 Special (GBC): Port of Super Mario Bros. 3 that, although very accurate in some respects, does not control very well. Uses a rather obscure mapper, which renders the game unplayable in most Game Boy (Color/Advance) emulators.
 * Super Mario World (NES), aka "Mario World NES": A 1995 release that ported quite a chunk of its source material despite the NES' limitations (no Banzai Bill, sorry!) – including the original game's "magic", as it were. There are two versions of this game, one of which may be a prototype of the other.
 * Kart Fighter (NES): A Super Mario Kart/Street Fighter II hybrid that predates (and may even have inspired) Super Smash Bros. Released by Hummer Team (same company that made "Mario World NES").
 * Somari the Adventurer (NES): A hack/port of Sonic the Hedgehog starring Mario, with a lot being ported from the source material. Released by "Somari Team".
 * Super Boy (Sega Master System/MSX): A series of four games that use Mario sprites and music.
 * The Great Giana Sisters (Commodore 64/DS): Game series that was a direct attempt to rip-off Super Mario Bros. Apparently these were "official" (not pirated) games, with the latter licensed by Nintendo.

And there are other games – such as Super Donkey Kong (NES), Donkey Kong Country 2 (NES), Super Mario 4 (GB), Mario Lottery (NES), and a few others – that capture the spirit of the games in this Wiki while still being unlicensed.

Basically, I propose that this site should devote articles to at least a few of the games which, although unofficial, are rather noteworthy in their own right (and in the positive sense, for the most part). If anyone wishes to know more about any of the aforementioned games, please let me know – but I won't link to ROMs.

Proposer: Voting start: 24 March, 2010, 18:20. Deadline: 31 March 2010, 23:59 (GMT).

No "unofficial" games should be included

 * 1) - per BabyLuigiOnFire's comment
 * 2) - unofficial games should not be mentioned. We cover the Mario series as made by Nintendo.
 * 3) - Per comment below.
 * 4) Per all
 * 5) Per comment above.
 * 6)  PEr below
 * Per all.
 * I'm against covering anything "unofficial" as long as we don't have a nearly "complete" coverage of past games, and they are still various gaps.
 * 1) - Per all.
 * 2) - Per all.
 * 3) - Per comment (short version: I don't think it would improve the wiki to list fan-made games.)
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) – Per all.
 * 6) Per all. Anyone can write an unofficial game. Leave this stuff at the Mario Fanon Wiki.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Not me and per all.
 * 10) Per absolutely everything above and below.

Comments
No fanon should be allowed. We should only talk about official and stuff that are true in the Mario series. The only content we accept is stuff sponsored by Nintendo. Plus, this site isn't made for fanon. Make a wiki, or something else that deals with this. We are here for official Mario stuff only. I don't want fanon flooding pages either.
 * Making articles on hacks & bootlegs is not quite "fanon", but I agree that if it's not official (i.e. at least licensed by Nintendo), this Wiki is no place for it, no matter if it "captures the spirit" of the official games (which most of the games mentioned among the examples don't even do; Super Mario 4 for instance is a terrible hack of a Crayon Shin Chan game). How would it be decided if something is "worthy" of being covered anyway? Obviously everyone would add their own creations to the Wiki, and if things like these were allowed, we couldn't even stop them from doing that. Add to that the fact that none of these are legal and you have enough of a reason not to cover them.--

@Cobold: Your comment has a problem. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games was made by Sega, a bunch of games were made by Hudson Soft, Diddy Kong Racing was made by Raveware, and Mario hoops: 3 on 3 was made by a company I forgot.


 * @KS3: No, he's right. Those were all supporting companies that helped make the game. Check the back of the box (or is it front?) and find the official Nintendo Seal. If it's there, than it was made by Nintendo. If it's not there, then it wasn't made by Nintendo.
 * The Nintendo Seal of Quality doesn't have to mean it was made by Nintendo, it just means it was licensed by Nintendo. A lot of Mario-related games and merchandise weren't made by Nintendo but are still officially licensed. These hacks and bootlegs are not.--
 * Basically, games that you can find on stores and ads and have that Nintendo/SEGA/Whatever logo on the bottom right hand corner is feasible to add on this wiki.

Well, you don't actually define "unofficial" but you sort of give an idea of it. I don't think fan games (or fan media) should be allowed. I am pretty sure that any game made, sold and marketed by a professional company has the proper licensing to legally use a character which is trademarked by Nintendo. Any game which contains a properly licensed Mario (or Donkey Kong) character I feel is eligible for inclusion in this wiki. I can not think of anything the wiki would gain from indexing fan works.

Removing FI Votes
I go on the Featured Image page every day. Latley, I've noticed a lot of votes that say, "I just like it," or "I just don't like it," or "Yay!" or "Yes," and even plain old "No." I think every user should state a specific reason of why he/she is supporting or opposing, even if it is a s simple as "Bad Quality". If there is no reason, there's no point in voting at all! As most of you know, when voting for a Featured Article, users have the right to say why they want another users support/oppose vote removed. If other people agree, that vote is removed. I say we should add this feature to the Featured Images page, so we can remove support/oppose votes as we fell fit.

Proposer: Voting Start: 25 March 2010, 14:42 Deadline: 1 April 2010, 23:59

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) Per everybody else in the commens section.
 * Per my comment below.
 * 1) Per comments above and/or below.
 * 2) - Per Time Q, and this was said before.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) – Per all.
 * 5) Per comments.
 * 6) - The whole voting process is stained with flaws... This will probably make it even worse.
 * 7) The thing is, your saying we cant JUST say that we like it. But, What else are we gonna say? "It contains quality information or whatever"? If we like it, we vote for it.
 * 8) After just checking the FI page I realise this proposal would make life harder for voters.
 * Per Time Q.
 * 1) Per all.

Comments
This was brought up at least once before and is a very bad idea. Voting on FIs is a highly subjective thing, which means that in most cases you vote for an image because of your personal opinion. Thing is, you can't force people to reason their personal opinion, that's absurd. Also, look at the archives, when we started the FIs almost nobody put any text there beside their username, and it worked perfectly this way. Seriously, I think people are making way too much fuss about the FIs. It's just images that you support because you like them or oppose because you don't like them! If people can't accept that, the best way to deal with this is getting rid of the FIs completely.
 * Whether one likes a picture or not is an entirely subjective thing; a picture may appeal to one person, but not to someone else, not because of flaws in the image, but because of personal preferences. If someone likes the proposed FI, then they will support it because of that; if they don't like it, they will oppose. I don't think we can force them to state a specific reason why they (dis)like it, since that can be very hard to impossible to precisely point out, and something like "I like it because it looks nice to me" isn't any more informative than just the "I like it" vote.--

All I have got to say is that opinions are subjective; even I have a problem supporting a picture without a "good" reason. That's why featured images is a nice concept, but it doesn't fit with our factual-oriented wiki (and that's also why we had at least 2 proposals on removing it.)

Man, we should make a rule about this: Remember, all votes are based on opinions of the picture. It's ok if you don't like it, but someone else thinks it's super special awesome. We all have different opinions whether a picture is good or not. Or something like that.

@MATELEOBACAN: remember that ive only been on the wii since janurary 2010.


 * I'm pretty sure we had the other proposal like this before January.

"If people can't accept that, the best way to deal with this is getting rid of the FIs completely." – I can agree to this.

Change Catch Card List Organization
After looking at Paper Mario/Bestiary and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door/Bestiary, I found that they were easy to navigate, although the original one is incomplete. Then, I stumbled upon List of Catch Cards and found that it isn't sortable. It needs to be put in a table of the same format as its predecessors.

Proposer: Voting Starts: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 23:45 GMT Deadline: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) – Per proposal.
 * 2) Per Proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) You have no reason as to why it's a "pain in the ass to navigate", and to me it's perfectly fine.
 * 2) - Yes, it does take awhile to get to one enemy, but a template change is not going to make a big difference. It's not the template's fault, it the fact that it is about 2x the amount of the pervious installments. Also, just to add, we need to change the page name though...
 * 3) Most modern browsers have some sort of "find" function. If you are looking for a specific card by name, this should work fine. This can also be used to skip to a certain number, if for some reason scrolling down a numbered list is too time consuming. The "find" feature can also allow you to see what cards are in what locations. As cards seem to be mostly numbered by location, they are already grouped.

Comments
Basically, the Catch Card list is a pain in the ass to navigate. –
 * Can you elaborate on why it's a "pain in the ass to navigate"? If anything, it looks more neater then the other two.
 * Uh, yeah, I'd like to see your reasoning behind this. The only problem with it is the fact that I have to boost the font size on my browser to read the tiny text. Besides, this could very plausibly be a Talk Page Proposal.
 * Ah, I see his point. He wants the little sorting buttons at the top, like the other two pages. I don't think this warrants a proposal; just go out and do it.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.