MarioWiki:Proposals

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) If people have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used.
 * 2) The voting period begins 24 hours after the proposal is posted (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed). Proposers are allowed to support their proposal immediately, but all other users may only edit the Comments section during that initial 24 hours. Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. (All times GMT).
 * 3) *For example, if a proposal is added on Monday night at 22:22 GMT, the voting starts at 22:22, 22:00 or 23:00 on Tuesday and the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM.
 * 4) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * 5) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 6) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 7) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 8) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 9) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 10) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by a sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 12) There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 13) Proposals cannot be made about sysop promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of bureaucrats.
 * 14) If the sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 15) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format
This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: Voting start: [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "January 1, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.] Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
 * 1) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
 * 4) Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 5) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see here.


 * Split Ashley and Red (Discuss) Passed
 * Merge Giant Donkey Kong to Donkey Kong (Discuss) Passed
 * Split Young Cricket and Master Mantis into two separate articles. (Discuss) Deadline: April 6, 2011, 24:00 GMT
 * Split Krochead into Red Krochead and Green Krochead. (Discuss) Deadline: April 8, 2011 24:00 GMT
 * Split Dribble and Spitz into two separate articles. (Discuss) Deadline: April 9, 2011, 24:00 GMT
 * Split Klobber into Red Klobber and Yellow Klobber. (Discuss) Deadline: April 9, 2011 24:00 GMT
 * Delete the Chronological Storyline section of the Luigi's Mansion page. (Discuss) Deadline: April 9, 2011 24:00 GMT
 * Merge Payday Waystation to Shy Guy's Perplex Express (Discuss) Deadline: April 10, 2011 23:59 GMT
 * Split Pre-Race Countdown Timer from Time Limit (Discuss) Deadline: April 10, 2011 24:00 GMT
 * Split Jungle Japes into Jungle Japes and . (Discuss) Deadline: April 12, 2011 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Boomerang Bro. (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga) with Boomerang Bro. (Discuss) Deadline: April 13, 2011 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Mr. Kipper to Cheep-Cheep (Discuss) Deadline: April 16,2011 23:59 GMT
 * Split Music Staff and Voice Cast from Super Smash Bros. Brawl into separate sub-article (Discuss) Deadline: April 17, 2011 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Waluigi Pinball (court) with Waluigi Pinball (Discuss) Deadline: April 17, 23:59 GMT

New Features
None at the moment.

Remove certain entries in "References in Other Games" sections
On most of the articles about games, there is a "References in Other Games" section that lists games that reference that game. What's the problem? If an enemy is introduced in one game, and then that enemy is used in a future game, it is considered a reference to the former game. May I ask why? If an enemy appears in another game, that means it is a recurring enemy. The first game just introduced it.

Proposer: Voting start: 5 April, 2011, 10:15 Deadline: 12 April, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

Delete those entries

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) It should only have major referances
 * 3) Per proposal. If we were going to allow an enemy that debuts in a game to be considered referenced every time it appears in a game, then, for example, Super Mario Bros. could have a reference section listing every game Goombas appear in, and their role in those games, the same for Koopas, Piranha Plants, etc. It doesn't make any sense, and is not really a reference. If a spin-off series mentions something from a game (eg: a sticker in SSBB), then it could be considered a reference because that is (at least partially) intended to be a reference.
 * 4) Per all however i do feel that it is a reference when something like a Spike reappears or if say Phanto or the Goomba's Shoe ever came back
 * 5) Lose it! Per all if you please.
 * 6) Per Bop1996.
 * 7) Enemies returning aren't really a reference to any other game if they're in the same series. Keep the ACTUAL references.
 * 8) Per Bop1996 and Zero777.
 * 9) Per Zero.

Comments
But it technically could be a reference to the game since it debuted in an earlier game

Um, I don't think this warrants a proposal. I've seen people deleting those entries lately such as Marioguy1 in something about Freezies and stuff. I've deleted several of these myself.
 * Might as well make one in case someone disagrees.

@Reversinator: Which types of entries are you proposing to delete? You mentioned one example, and while it makes sense, you have not specified which sections specifically you want deleted.
 * This proposal is to remove certain entries in "References in other games" sections, not entire sections. I'm talking about removing any entires that say "This enemy reappeared in this game".
 * Only those or other entries?
 * Maybe if the enemy is minor enough, it can stay referenced. If the Stus from SMS return in another game, that references SMS and Gooper Blooper in Mario Power Tennis is a reference to SMS because he was new and therefore minor back then. Keep that in mind before this passes.
 * If it was clear that it was meant to be a reference, then I'll keep it.

References are not that simple; if they were, a concise rule set would be developed already. But as we do not know what Nintendo was thinking, we can't do this. I definitely don't think that every game with a Goomba in it is a reference to SMB, or that every game with Mario is a reference to the original DK. But sometimes when enemies appear, it is a reference (i.e. Dino Piranha in SMG is referenced by Peewee Piranha in SMG2 (sorry, couldn't think of anything better)). So it's complicated. And then, to make matters more complicated - music. Sometimes music is remixed music from another game, sometimes it's the same, sometimes it's different, but we can't be sure whether music that sounds like it's from SMB3 is actually a reference to SMB3 or they just ran out of sound files so they remixed something. Like I said, the references to other games sections are very complicated.
 * I agree with Marioguy. Nintendo seems to love including nostalgic references to other games, and then not specifying whether it is a reference or not. Where does that leave us? It seems that this is going to be a case-by-case situation. However, I feel that this discussion is clouding the issue a bit.

Apply new procedures for naming Starting Planets
I apologize in advance to those of you who disapprove of this proposal, but it's my humble opinion that the Starting Planets in all the galaxy articles need actual names besides, well, "Starting Planet." From my standpoint, giving them all the name of "Starting Planet" is needlessly pigeonholing 91 different planets for the galaxy articles, when they could all be named something much better. In fact, I have already been to several galaxy articles where I found that this trend wasn't being followed anyway, as some are completely lacking planets that are referred to as the "Starting Planet," and others simply refer to the first planet encountered as "________ Planet (Starting Planet)." In addition, on the Melty Molten Galaxy article, we've got the main planet marked as the Starting Planet, and then five lines down where the other areas embedded in the main planet are discussed, it is now referred to as the "Lava Planet!" Therefore (as somewhat of a remedy to such inconsistencies and confusion), I propose that we keep the planets labeled as Starting Planets, but do so in such a way that we also give them names as well; i.e., label them all as "_______ Planet (Starting Planet)" on every article. I mean, really, there's no reason why we can't do both, right? Thus, nothing important will actually be taken out of the article, and the only thing that should happen will be that the names of all the starting planets in each galaxy become clearer and easier to understand. If this proposal does pass, I will personally take it upon myself to go around to each of the Starting Planets and implement the necessary changes.

Proposer: Voting start: April 7, 2011, 06:00 GMT. Deadline: April 14, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) Per myself.

Comments
This will create conjectural titles for the planets, no?


 * Well yes, but we've already got conjectural names for all the other planets in every galaxy (which collectively greatly outnumber the total of Starting Planets for each galaxy), why should this be any different? That's what we've got for. Also, calling them "Starting Planet" is still technically giving them a conjectural name anyway. So, since all the planet names are already conjectural, we can do whatever we want with them, u know? It's not like the names of the planets in question have all been confirmed as "Starting Planet" and we're changing them just to change them...  18:59, 6 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Does it matter? Almost every planet mentioned in the articles on the various galaxies has a conjectural name.


 * The comment wasn't directed toward you or to the proposal. It's a reply to LGM's question, essentially stating that whether or not renaming the Starting Planets makes their names conjectural doesn't matter, since almost every other planet has a conjectural name. I've got no problems with this proposal.


 * No no no, you misunderstood me: I wasn't talking to you, I was replying to his comment as well, I actually started typing it in before ur comment was there, but that's just how it appeared when I saved the page... :) 19:24, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Conjectural titles are...well, just that! Conjectural. Conjecture means that the title is not officially confirmed and is what we are using to help people identify the object/place/character/whatever. Which means that, naturally, we need to be as accurate as possible. What seems like a "cool name" or what is "consistent" doesn't really apply in this scenario as we are trying to be as descriptive as possible in as few words as possible. Naturally this applies to the term "Starting Planet" - it contains two words and if anyone could please show me one instance where it could possibly apply to more than one planet (AKA not be specific), then I would love to see it (aside from comets; which bend reality to make it more convenient for the challenge at hand). But since there is only one planet that you start on, I'd say that the term "starting planet" pretty much narrows it down perfectly...

@Phoenix I see. Sorry about the confusion.

Split Category:Donkey Kong Levels into Separate Categories
This is my first proposal. There are many games in the Donkey Kong series. The category, Donkey Kong Levels, there is too much content. It has about 5 different games in one category. I think we should make categories for each game. For example,  Category:Donkey Kong Country Levels , etc. It would be easier to find levels and it wouldn't take up 2 pages! We should make one for every game such as Donkey Kong Country 2, DKC3, DK: King of Swing, etc. It just seems easier to navigate levels. We should also delete the original one if we make other categories. I will add a section for making new categories and I will add one for keep the original one as is.

Proposer: Voting start: March 23, 2011 24:00 Deadline: March 31, 2011, 24:00 GMT April 7th, 2011, 24:00 GMT

Make a New Category

 * 1) - It is my proposal and I think it would help the wiki and other users by making it simple to navigate levels by games.
 * 2) - That sounds like a good idea.
 * 3) - Per M&SG.
 * 4) Per proposer.
 * 5) Love it! Per SW and Kaptain K. Rool!
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) That'd make it more simple. Per all.
 * 8) We don't have all the Mario games levels in one category.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per Magikrazy51.
 * 11) Per Magikrazy51 also.
 * 12) Per All
 * 13) Per All
 * 14) Per All.
 * 15) Per all.
 * 16) Why not? Per all
 * 17) Per all.
 * 18) Per all.
 * 19) Per all.
 * 20) Per all.

Keep Original Category

 * 1) - Just use the games' navigation templates: they're supposed to have all the levels listed, and generally they'll be arranged by world, which is a much better way to organize the levels than the alphabetical categories. It's better if all games, DK or otherwise, simply have general categories for all their subjects.
 * 2) Per Walkazo. I don't see why this is necessary.
 * 3) - Per Walkazo and Fawfulfury65's comment below (although FF65 hasn't voted yet).
 * 4) - Is this really necessary? It's sort of like going to the characters catagory and complaining about how they don't have a catagory for just characters from cirtian games. I mean, if you know your alphabet, it should be pretty easy.
 * 5) - per Walkazo and isnt Donkey Kong technically it's own franchise
 * 6) - per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) - Per Walkazo above and Fawfulfury65 below.
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) - Per Walkazo.
 * 11) Per my comments and everyone else.
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) - Per Walkazo and FF65.
 * 15) - Per all.
 * 16) – Per all.
 * 17) - per all
 * 18) - I believe that we tried to get rid of categories that list things that should be in a navbox. That's my way of saying "per Walkazo".
 * 19) - Per Walkazo

Comments
We shouldn't delete the Donkey Kong levels category because it can be useful in finding many DK levels. Also, if we really want to find information about a Donkey Kong Country 2 level or something, why can't we just look in Category:Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, or the category for any other game? There's also templates that you can use to easily find levels in one of those games.

MS&G: You know your vote is invalid. You can't simply say, "Good idea" if you want to support.

BabyLuigionfire why can't you just because you have nothing new to add doesnt mean it isnt valid other wise like 20 votes from other propsals that say per all


 * If anyone has an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feels that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Simply saying "Good idea!" is NOT a strong argument. And please don't backsass me like that, it's very rude.


 * @Iggykoopa it doesn't matter that it has its own Franchise, the categories should be made into games

Baby luigi on fire the rules state that Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * That is still not a strong reason. I suggest the very least was to "per" the user. And leaving a vote blank in the support section is still an agreement, but we still delete it anyway since the reason is not strong enough.

Like I, said in the opposing section, "WE DONT HAVE ALL THE MARIO GAMES LEVELS IN ONE CATEGORY!".
 * @Magikrazy this proposal is to split the enemies catagory of DKC, not the game catagories.
 * Actually, it's for the levels in the game. Read the proposal, we were both wrong.

@Babyluigionfire how is saying per all not the same as saying good idea #
 * Because saying "per all" is like repeating what the users said. Saying "good idea" is just as good as saying nothing when you support/oppose. However, I sometimes see "per all" votes with severe skepticism.

Babyluigionfire how is saying per all any different than saying good idea when your agreeing with a proposal
 * Per all means, "I would say the same thing as everyone else, but it would take up extra space and time." It takes up less time if you read through the votes and say, "Hmm, I agree with what (insert one to three users here) says, so I'll say per all and reference all those votes at once." However, sometimes per all votes are used lightly, which is what I think BLOF said, mostly in cases where there was no vote that had complete reasoning.

im confused are there votes invalid are not?
 * The ones that say "I like this idea" or "This sounds like a good idea" have no substance, so a sysop may decide to remove them. The votes that say "Per all" are perfectly valid, so long as someone out there said something valid.

Speaking of that... @Lucas777123: You vote is invalid. Please add a reason on why you think this is a good idea, or I'll remove your vote.
 * @YoshiGo99: Your vote is equivalent to Lucas777123's vote. Lucas has been warned already, so you should change your vote too.

I think to split the category, because to those who oppose, and this is soley my thought, but: It's like saying let's merge all of the Mario series levels into one category, and list all of them in one category. Then, we list all hte levels, under one category.

Input new rules for name changing
I used up my 2 chances to change my name, but I find my current name to be too long. I say to increase the number of times we can change our names to three, and place a limit on how many letters, numbers, spaces, etc. to 20. It saves users from making their second (and last) name change, then realizing that the username is too long.

Proposer: Voting start: March 29, 2011 at 21:30 GMT Deadline: April 6, 2011 at 21:30 GMT

Support

 * 1) Isn't it annoying to have to type my long name EVERY SINGLE TIME? Also, the limit prevents people from making really long usernames like "I enjoy Nintendo games so much I like (insert Nintendo series here)! My favorite character is (insert character here)."

Oppose

 * 1) Per my comments.
 * 2) Per FF65 comments.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) i don't think you should change the rules just cause you messed up
 * 5) Per FF65.
 * 6) Per all. Bending the rules so you can change your name? Maybe next time you make an username on something, make it shorter!
 * 7) Per my comment.
 * 8) How does this benefits the wiki? This only helps you. Look, if you really think your name is too long then I suggest to truly show a mod that your name is WAY TOO LONG and must change for one last time to a shorter name. Also, I prefer that it should be illegal to change usernames the wiki, forum is one thing but in the wiki it gets too confusing on who is who.
 * 9) - Per all, including Xzelion in the comments.
 * 10) - Per my comments
 * 11) Your name IS too long, but like Phoenix said, you can't change the rules just because they inconvenience you.
 * 12) Per Zero777.
 * 13) Per Fawfulfury65's comments and Zero777.
 * 14) - Per all.
 * 15) You picked it, your problem. Per all.
 * 16) This looks like a job for Hindsight Man! You should have picked a smaller name. Per those above and below me (if any are below me).
 * 17) Per Iggykoopa, Luigi is OSAM, Zero777 and Ultrahammer5365.

Comments
So you're basically making this proposal to help yourself change your username? Users shouldn't have to change their username at all, and changing it just causes confusion. Users should know that they should avoid changing their username to something long and that they only have two times to change it.
 * I shortened the title because the old title really expanded the TOC at the top of the page, feel free to change it to another message; just as long as the new message is not a full sentence.


 * Also, my suggestion to you would be to go to your preferences, replace the signature with  (Talk) - then just click the signature button when trying to sign a comment.

I find two changes to be too short. Three should be enough.


 * I don't think so. I'm sorry, but you can't just change the rules simply because they inconvenience you. No offense, but you wouldn't be stuck in this situation if you had read the rules in the first place. 23:02, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Ya know if you just got rid of your first account and made a new account that would settle that matter easily instead of changing the rules
 * Um, no, that's called sockpuppeting and is completely against the rules: the only time we let people replace their account is if they forget their original password. -

fair enough
 * Name changes are quite the big deal and users should think it through before going ahead with it, also the limit is foolish, you should know when there's too many characters in your name yourself. Should there be a law that you can't chop off your own hand? No, cause it should be common sense. Two is just fine, heck one would be perfectly fine.

My username is long and has the symbol é. That means I can't go here on my laptop and it takes me a little longer to type my name at certain times.

Just a thought, but maybe you could type your username in a blank word document, save it, and just copy and paste it into the login page each time you go to log in. That would be easier.
 * You know, if you get that é symbol once, most browsers (at least ones that I use, such as Firefox and Chrome) will give you the option to remember the username and password.

When you make your name, shoundn't you choose a shorter one? And at Pokémon Trainer Mario, You can click "Remember me on this computer" BTW I'm laptopin, and I Wrote your name!

I'd also like to mention that if we use the 20 character limit mentioned in the proposal, a lot of users will need their usernames to be changed. This just gives bureaucrats a lot of worthless work to do, and it would cause a lot of problems.

You should of been wiser for your username.

Make an Article for AR games
I think AR games needs a page on here.It has a lot of Mario characters in it No other wiki has a page for AR games,and it's Mario related,so it should have an article.
 * Mario
 * Cheep-Cheep
 * Blooper
 * Lakitu
 * Fishbone
 * Green Shell(item)

Proposer: Voting start: April 2, 5:30 GMT Deadline: April 9, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - Per my proposal.
 * 2) - WHy don't we have an article for this??? It's Strongly Mario related.
 * 3) Per Luigi is OSAM
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Per  yoshiyoshiyoshi's proposal.
 * 6) This proposal isn't even necessary. You can just create an article and see how that goes.
 * 7) Per proposal.
 * 8) Per LeftyGreenMario.
 * 9) Per all, but only the Mario related ones.
 * 10) Per Zero.
 * 11) Per Zero.
 * 12) Per Zero.
 * 13) Per all and myself!
 * 14) Per all.

Comments
What the heck is an AR game?
 * It's one of the new things bundled with the 3DS. this site has some articles that mention it, including their most recent article on the 3DS. Oh, and yoshix3, I agree, the AR cards have a variety of uses, and we could make an article on the Mario related ones.

Fishing is highly Mario related(you can catch Mario stuff) and Star Pics has Mario in it so i think we should make an article on AR games itself and those 2

I still don't know what's an AR game because the website is too vague on what it specifically is.
 * AR stands for augmented reality. The second image in the Wikipedia article is (in my opinion) the best way to describe it.

On the 3ds,there are these special cards,and you look at them in the camera and it makes it look like things are appearing wherever you have the camera.its kind of like virtual reality,but the opposite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FZP2jvNljs

Oh now I know what you are talking about. I think it's best to make one article for this, because the cards are too simple for them to have their own separate articles.

If there aren't more AR cards coming, maybe it would be best to have them in the 3DS article?
 * I'd be happy with having them in the 3DS article or their own article, but there are a bunch of Mario-related minigames in there, and they need to be mentioned.