Talk:Nurse Toadstool

Ok, seriously. Who said the white color change for Princess Peach was Nurse Toadstool? It was obviously WEDDING PEACH from Super Paper Mario!

Except that Super Paper Mario wasn't released yet, so Wedding Peach didn't exist when Melee was released. So, yeah... How can I put this nicely? You've been owned?

Woah! Your right. Thanks

Merge Nurse Toadstool into Princess Peach
MERGE 19-4

Unlike the drty man (Dr. Mario), Nurse Toadstool has no major role or any special abilities that classify her different from her usual self. This is just an alternate costume of Peach. I say we merge her if she doesn't have anything unique other than the fancy costume to classify as a separate article.

Proposer: Voting start: 5 September, 2010, 23:04 Deadline: 18 September, 2010 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) Per me, and Dr Man is one Drty Doctor.
 * 2) Per proposal and BLOF.
 * 3) Nurse Toadstool is Princess Peach in a different outfit unlike Drty.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Unlike Dr. Mario, she is barely seen in the game and not notable enough for her own article; per all.
 * 6) I am Zero! Per all. Zero signing out.
 * 7) Nurse Toadstool is STILL Peach, just with a color swap and a different name. It's just a costume.
 * 8) It's still Peach but with a color swap. Also article appears to be a stub. Not really that great of an article either. Just add it to the Peach page.
 * 9) Per my comment bellow. It's just a different outfit and it was proven to be Peach.
 * 10) I change my vote
 * 11) - Peach as a nurse. Not another character, nor a powered up Peach
 * 12) Good. Princess Peach is at Dr. Mario's side as heard in SSBB (unless I misread the comments).
 * 13) Per all
 * 14) - Per FF65: SSBB is proof enough for me.
 * 15) - Per all including proposal.
 * 16) – Per all.
 * 17) - Nurse Toadstool is just Peach with different clothes. She has no major roles, is almost never seen in any game, and she is not a main character. On top of that, her article is just a stub with too little info to expand, unlike the Dr. Mario article. Per all.
 * 18) Per all. "Princess Peach Toadstool" vs. "Nurse Toadstool". Hmmmm...I got it! It's her twin sister! They ARE different people! No, they aren't. No speacial abilities except able to PWN Mario at the Famicom   Like said before: per all.
 * 19) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) If Dr. Mario gets his own article, then Nurse Toadstool should too. That's final.
 * 2) per all
 * 3) Per Mileycyrussoulja - Dr. Mario has his own article, so Nurse Toadstool should too.
 * 4) Per all.

Comments
If we merge these then why are Mario and Dr. Mario seperate?

@Booderdash: Dr. Mario and Mario are shown to be different because they are both characters in SSBM.

Oh, and I want to know this: Is Nurse Toadstool actually confirmed to be Peach, or is she just a look a like?

that's why I wanna know too. The article says the name is official, which means they refer to this "girl" as nurse toadstool in the comic I beleive.18:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

MCD, you support this because you think its not notable enough, and you oppose Lakitu Travel, who is not as notable as her, is not seen, which Nurse Toadstool clearly is seen, and where lakitu travel isn't EVER going to be in another game, while N.T will most definitly will. Thats very hypocritical.


 * Why do you compare Lakitu Travel and this? These are two different subjects. 21:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

@Booderdash Please, watch your language.21:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

@LGM, Because N.T is clearly more notable than Lakitu Travel, and MCD says that Lakitu Travel is notable for its own article, but N.T isn't. @Mr bones. I meant do make the capilized things in italics but I forgot. Or do you mean the word hypocritical? Because thats not a bad word. It means you say somethings one thing is something but say the other thing that is identical isn't. BLOF used it on me before.

When did BLOF use it?23:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The FA nomination for Mario Superstar Baseball. Its not a bad word. I don't know what you're getting so worked up over it about.

No she didn't! No really, she didn't say that.

"I dunno what to say. It feels like hypocrisy that Booderdash compliments on one image, then bashes the other, even though they were taken by the exact program. BabyLuigiOnFire (Talk)"

Thats BLOF's exact words. in Featured Articles/N/Mario Superstar Baseball, ut its not bad...

Since when the word "hypocrisy" is a bad word? You can look it up on the dictionary and it won't have the term "vulgar" next to it. Hypocritical, hypocrisy, hypocrite all mean this: when a person's actions contradict their saying. It's like saying, "You're eating so unhealthily, compared to me! Coke is bad for you!" *drinks 10 cans of Coke*. THAT'S hypocrisy

Edit conflict FTL

65: quote: Nurse Toadstool is Peach as a nurse... Do I need to go any further? 00:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * * facepalm* Just because it says that in the article doesn't mean it is true.
 * Why do we need official proof that it is Peach? She has the EXACT same hairstyle as Peach, has the exact same eyes, wears pink clothing, just like Peach, and she even WEARS the same exact earrings. Plus, Princess Peach, was depicted as "Princess Toadstool." I doubt anyone else would look EXACTLY like her.

And the starfish article says Starfish is starfy as a cameo appearence but its not official. When did nintendo or any game confirm Nurse Toadstool to be EXACTLY Princess Peach.
 * Well, I know that it probably is Peach, but it could just be a Peach look-a-like, not actually her. Dr. Mario and Mario aren't entirely the same characters so...
 * Drty and Mario only appeared together in one game, Super Smash Bros., and that game you could have Young Link and Link fighting each other at the same time. Didn't you hear this, that Peach's original name used to be Toadstool? So I think that it IS her, but just going by her old alias.

Well, how can you prove it's not Princess Peach/Toadstool? I probably cannot prove it's Princess Toadstool, but you cannot prove it isn't Princess Toadstool either. 03:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not confirmed to be her, that's pretty much my proof.
 * We have more proof that she is than she isn't?

Let's see our proof: Toadstool is Peach's first name. Looks like Peach. Has never appeared alongside Peach. Appears alongside Mario.

And here's yours: She's not confirmed to be Peach.

I certainly can see who has has the upper hand. 18:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

@MCD toadstool is also used to refer to King toadstool. That's not proof. Since they're not confirmed to be the same, they're not the same.If she was referd to Princess Toadstool in the comic, then that means they're the same.06:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it definitely is King Toadstool in thst nurse's outfit. 16:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Guys if she's not confirmed to be Peach, you can't just assume she's Peach, even if you have all this proof. It has to be official.
 * It doesn't need to be official if it is blatantly ovbious. 16:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Everything here must be official, obvious or not, it's not confirmed to be peach. It may be her twin sister, or whatever. I don't have proof it's her twin sister and you don't have proofs that it's peach. Every thing on this wiki must be confirmed.


 * But it's not confirmed that this Nurse is not Princess Peach! Now what? 18:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

So every nurse you see on videogames, you say it's peach and when we say she's not, you tell us prove it? It's you who have to prove it's peach right? Same here, prove that she's peach, not we prove that she's not peach, our proof is that nintendo never stated that peach is Nurse Toadstool!21:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

NT doesn't appear more than three times. However one of the times is simply an event in SSBM but as a color swap to match with Dr.Mario. Her abilities were unchanged as well. Even though it isn't truly confirmed as Peach there is no other character in the series or Marioverse closely resembling Peach at all. Also there's only one picture and it's just Peach but in a different outfit. On the Peach page she also is seen a couple of pictures where she is wearing a different outfit but she isn't given a new article for every outfit she does. She isn't given a page for when she is in an X-Naut or wedding dress. However she is shown in the Shadow Queen article but only because the Shadow Queen posses her similar to Super Paper Mario having an article for Luigi+Dimentio+Chaos Heart boss. In all honesty. Just one picture, two places seen and a mention of color palette swap is not good enough for being an article itself.

this character is called Nurse Toadstool, and toadstool even refers to the king of the mushroom kingdom. I know no one resembles her, but we don't have proofs it's her, The possessed peach was proven to be peach because we saw the queen possess her.12:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Well unless the king is actually crossdressing in that picture.... That and it sounds kind of odd. Also nurse toadstool isn't mentioned in the Peache article. Lastly it pretty much states in the stub that it's Peach but in a different outfit. Why does a seperate outfit deserve an article? It's kind of like awhile back where each of Mario's pieces of clothing had their own articles.

Okay, let me put it in one question;Gimme one single proof(confirmed one) that Peach and Nurse Toadstool are the same person.13:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...never mind, proof is gotten. ''Immaculate in his medical garb, Dr. Mario destroys killer viruses with his amazing vitamin capsules. With his dedicated nurse, Princess Peach, at his side, Dr. Mario spends day and night in his laboratory working on new miracle cures. Somehow he's managed to keep up with all the new viruses that have arisen over the years.'' from SSBB. Opposers, please read this. Am not going to support now, just removing my vote.

Another correction. She's only seen two times. Once in the comic series and then SSBM as a color swap opponet in match 35 of the event series.

I don't call that proof, but anyway, I removed my vote per my comment.13:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

@Booderdash The reason is that Shrowser is a possessed bowser, much like Dark Fawful, Bowletta and some article are seperated because of they're stronger version of the character, such as Giga Bowser and Dr. Mario and even Wario Man. Here, Peach only wears an outfit. I mean, what about her wedding suit in SPM? Should we make an article about wedding peach or bride peach?19:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Its because Nurse Toadstool was officially CALLED Nurse Toadstool before. Unlike Bride Peach which if fanon.

But nurse toadstool is proven to be peach, and she has no particular role, she's just wearing some outfit. Unlike Dr Mario, who is playable in SSBM, Peach only wears an outfit, and nothing makes her better, stronger, hotter then Pricess Peach. I mean, if your teacher is called bob and you call him Mr. Bob. This makes him different? No! He's just a guy wearing some outfit and teaching.

But Nurse Toadstool was OFFICIALLY called that by Nintendo several times. I mean Dr. Mario has his own article and hes pracitically the same as Nurse Toadstool. Your logic still applies there.

So Bob and Mr Bob are different. Look, the only reason Doctor Mario has its own article is because he appeared as a playable character in SSBM. Nurse Toadstool is officially called like that, but it's only peach in an outfit. She was even refereed to as His Nurse, Princess Peach in SSB's description.

@Booderdash: Shrowser and Bowser are separate because Shrowser plays a part in the main story, and is a boss. You really can't compare him to Nurse Toadstool. 07:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

heres how i see it if we merge these two then we should have to merge baby mario and mario since they are in fact the same people

Booderdash, the babies are split from the adults because they are considered to be different characters from the adults. Mario and Baby Mario appear at the same time in MKW.

I completely agree with FF65. Not only are the babies different characters from their grown-up forms, they're seen in video games with their grown-up forms. It's not like when you're playing Mario Kart Wii, if you choose Baby Mario, another player can't choose Mario, so therefore they are different characters. But this article is just a waste because it is Peach, just in different clothing than usual. Not to mention it's a stub.

ok leg me give you two other examples in hotel mario there is an enemy called pat the bat which is merged with swooper despite the fact that it has a different name and how about kammack there are two versions of him how come we dont split that into young kammack and old kammack (and i know i didnt spell that right)
 * The reason we merged them is that they have too similar, or no unique traits aside from having a different name and/or different costume. Pat the Bat is probably just a normal Swooper who acts like one, and Kamek (I think), younger and older, has no distinguishable traits, unlike the babies.
 * Same reason Magnum bills are merged with Banzai Bills. 00:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, guys, stop fighting back when you have no leg to stand on.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Baby Mario is DEFINITLY Mario as a baby. Thats why its called BABY Mario! And how Nintendo made yoshi's island a prequel to the mario series, and I'm pretty sure Nintendo called Baby Mario the baby version of Mario a dozen times, and it should be COMMEN SENSE. I mean, Ff67, would the version of you 27 minutes ago be a different person then you are now?

The reason is that Shrowser is a possessed bowser, much like Dark Fawful, Bowletta and some article are seperated because of they're stronger version of the character, such as Giga Bowser and Dr. Mario and even Wario Man. Here, Peach only wears an outfit. I think i said that before...stronger, weaker, younger(if there are official names(toadsworth and toadsworth the younger), these can be split. But come on! Peach only wears an outfit!19:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I removed my oppose vote, NOT because they're the same person (because by that logic Baby mario and Baby Luigi should be merged), but because they're both the same people, and they're INSIGNIFICANT. That the main point about it. Hear that Mcd?

your logic is flawed because you cant prove that pat the bat and swooper are the same species just like you cant prove the nurse toadstool and princess peach are the same person and by your logic baby mario and mario should be merged because as this proposal implies if they are the same people then they should be merged with one another just like how baby bowser should be merged with regular bowser and baby wario should be merged with wario cause there the same people again your logic not mine


 * Baby Mario are Mario have different abilities and they star in the same game. Nurse Toadstool is just Princess Peach in a different alias. So should we split all the King Koopa aliases? No. 00:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

And if this is all about importance then why do bellhop goombas have there own article they arent important there just like nurse toadstool they are just goombas in bellhop outfits


 * They are a subspecies of goombas. Unlike their game counterpart, they can turn around at will without bumping to a wall. If you really think that they should be merged, why don't you make a proposal about it? 00:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Tried that once got killed by the fact that they are diffrenet charecters with different names what i think is strange is that i keep getting killed by condradictions like how we cant split pat the bat and swooper cause there the same people and we cant merge baby wario and wario even thought there the same people

and what im saying is that your giving me two different ansrews for the same question on one hand we should merge one charecter cause there the same people just different named and the other anserw is that we cant merge these two charecters even though they are the same charecter just a younger age

Mr blob, i can prove peach and nurse toadstool are same people. Look at the trophy description of Dr. Mario (character) page, it says with his nurse, Princess Peach.16:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

OMG, Lgm! You really can't think that Baby Mario and Mario are the same people! Baby Mario is the BABY version of Mario. Its like the 10 year old version of you, or the 5 year old versin of you: the same person. He has NO different abilites then Mario besides probably weaker stats then him due to not being as expierenced as Mario yet, and for both of them to star in the same game. It could just be the result of a time machine. the babies simply just time traveled into the future to play abit. Anyways, The sport games are never considered "Canon". Do you know that word? It means its as if it never happened, or its in an alternate dimension. Its what makes games like Resident Evil, House of the Dead, and Kingdom Hearts so good, and what is the flaw in Mario, Kirby, Zelda, and Pokemon.
 * Do you have an official source stating that Baby Mario and Baby Weegee time traveled in Mario Kart Wii to race Mario and Luigi?

No that was an suggestion. But its been stated MANY times that they are just the baby versions of the adults. Theres not seperate chracters. Would 10 year old FF65 be a different person than 5565 now? Or the FF65 in 2 minutes?

smash bros games are not cannon and if you want to play that game then giant goombas should have there own article since there not called grand goombas there called giant goombas and if were playing the diffrenet name game then goomboss and goomba king should be in diffrenet articles

You know the "baby" in Baby Mario is capitalized, meaning it is part of his name. So that indicates that he could be a different character, as it really should be "baby Mario". And anyway, even if they are the same people, which they probably are, Baby Mario is far too different than Mario in the games to be merged, and both of them are able to appear at the exact same times.

0_0 I don't think ANYONE in the world will think Baby Mario and Mario are seperate characters. Well very few at the least. Because after all it should be common knowledge. Especially in Partners in Time: Peach "Could they be? Of course! The MARIO AND LUIGI OF THIS TIME PERIOD." Meaning they're not some weird clone of Mario.

thats what im saying your two faced on this issue on one side you want to merge two people who are the same people but on the other side you dont want to maerge someone who is the same person as another

I DON'T want to merge these two. THEY'RE two faced on it.

Really dude really why dont you respond to my comment

I'm not two faced on it - Baby Mario and Mario should be split. We shouldn't even be discussing this here; anyone who thinks they should be merged needs to make another proposal.

no im using your logic because your saying that we should merge princess toadstool and nurse toadstool because they are the same charecter but we shouldnt merge baby mario and mario even though there the same people
 * No, she does not have that logic. Nurse Toadstool and Peach do not have any defined characteristics other than being in a different outfit under a different alias. Luigi and Baby Luigi (yes, they're not Mario and Baby Mario, but still) have distinguishable traits, such as different special items, different stats (baseball), etc. That's why they are split.

really is that why bellhop goombas are split from regular goombas because they are the same thing and its called the process of age thats why they are diffrenet you just make up your own answers dont you cause when i use your own there the same people argument you decide to ignore it

The babies have such different personalities and stats, and are even able to appear at the same time as their adult forms, so they should be merged. Bellhop Goombas should also be split because they act differently than Goombas, at least from my knowledge.

The babies have different personalities cuz they're BABY versions of the adults. When YOU get to be 20 years old, you'll have a different personality too. I'll bet 1000000000 dollars on it. Plus, when you were 5, you had a different personality than you have now too. They have no different special items in any games (besides Mk DD) which who cares? Since thy're items. I bet if Nurse Toadstool starred in a game alongside Princess Peach, they'll also have different special moves.

Well, if Peach and her nurse form did appear in the same game with different special moves, I'd keep them split, cause that means they are different characters.

It does not. Why do you even try Mario realisitic? In mario games, it wouldn't be rare to see a thousand Marios pop out of nowhere. Thats whats good about it. The fantasy, so don't use the logic that if they appear in same games, they're different characters. So does that mean all the Mario costumes in Brawl are different characters? Or that there are 4 different Marios, because 4 Marios can appear at the same time in it?
 * No, because, no matter what color they are, they all have the same name. If Nurse Toadstool and Peach appeared in a SSB game, they would likely have different names like Mario and Dr. Mario, making them different characters.
 * BUT they all appear at the same time. So if 10 FF65s appeared in real life, would they be different characters? Besides in Pokemon, all the Pikachus are called Pikachu (unless you name them yourself) but they're still different characters.
 * Yeah, Pikachu is a species, that's why.
 * The thing about 10 FF65s (in real life not some ficitional userpedia story) still stands.
 * Yes, but if there were ten awesome copies of me, they would all be the same and have the same name. Nurse Toadstool and Peach would have different names if they appeared together in a game.

They'actually all be different characters, because those other ten have different brains. No, I mean they're WIRED differently,but you can't control them. You can only control yourself, thus they are different people. Its very confusing I know. Its this philosphical thing. You'll learn it in high school.
 * Dude, you're not even in high school. But whatever. I don't see how we could merge Baby Mario and Mario anyway because both articles are very long, and the two character's appearances would get all mixed up in one article.

I'm actually 13, my birthday being in 2 weeks, so I'm almost 14 actually..., but I knew stuff like that since I was 8. You can READ high school books when you are 8, and 7. I had a 12th grade reading skjill when I was in 4th grade. But anyways, I'm just saying the LOGIC goes that if two people are the same character, they would get merged s a bad logic. MUCH more details are in there not just they are the same people. I DON'T think Baby Mario should get merged, but I'm just pointing out that the logic that two people who are the same character should get merged is wrong.

This is for talking about the proposal, not your personal live.

@Booderdash So did I. I'm in the advanced lit for the class above me. AND MY BIRTHDAY'S IN ELEVEN DAYS. (sorry Fuzzipede!)

@BD and FF Very in-depth conversation. I still think some research may be needed (emailing Nintendo) and I'm not really up to it, I don't feel like going on Gmail... So if anyone's up to it, email NOA or something,or just ask Iwata, anyone that knows Japanese... Just whatever you do, don't use Y! Answers or WikiAnswers.

@FF about your post before... Yes, Baby Mario and Mario are the same character, but Mario is an adult and Mario's an infant. They both appear in many games and do not do the exact move at the exact time or anything; therefore that's why they only have an alliance article. And Nurse Toadstool and Peace have never worked together, so...

Emailing Nintendo will do NOTHING. They don't know anything about this (by that I mean the guys that actually reply to the emails). The whole emailing thing is set up for questions about help and support, not for anything else. They will just give you a random answer.

@FF Whoopsehdayzeh. (my new thing) Sorry 'bout that. I- never mind. So anything else to say 'bout this? :3

Dolphin:They should be merged.

@Dolphin That doesnt belong in the coments section


 * If you vote it to be merged, put your comment in the support section.

Merged?
What the... Isn't this merged yet??
 * Laziness prevented people from merging it.

I merged it.