MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Remove Super Smash Bros. Melee trophy descriptions in Assist Trophy (Discuss) Deadline: October 10, 2013, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Mario Stadium (Itadaki Street DS) with Mario Stadium (baseball stadium) (Discuss) Deadline: October 18, 2013, 23:59 GMT
 * Delete Category:Characters Named for their Species (Discuss) Deadline: October 20, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

Make Most Maintenance Categories Hidden
An idea which was willing on my mind from long time ago. The Maintenance categories should be hidden from the categories bar on the bottom of each article. The categories bar on each article is only for main categories. Some readers may just want to navigate through the categories without contributing. And for any user that does want to see them, he could just navigate to his Preferences, in Appearance tab, down at Advanced options. Check "Show hidden categories".

List: (marked with * may need some discussion)
 * Category:Articles under construction
 * Category:Articles with conjectural titles
 * Category:Articles with long Trivia sections
 * Category:Pages with broken file links & Category:Articles with broken file links
 * Category:Citation needed
 * Category:Disambiguation -- It looks neater for Disamb pages to appear without categories
 * Category:Image requested
 * Category:Quality requested
 * Category:Merge Requested & Category:Split Requested
 * Category:Pages with media files
 * Category:Protection Change Requested
 * Category:Requested for Deletion* & Category:To be deleted* & Category:Talk to be deleted*
 * Category:Rewrite Requested & Category:Rewrite and Expansion Requested
 * Category:Stubs & Category:Section Stubs & Category:New Stubs

Proposer: Deadline: October, 7 2013 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) -- Per Proposal, the categories bar should only contain real-articles related categories.
 * 2) Per Dardery.

Oppose

 * 1) I think that these should be easily visible so that editors can quickly see that changes need to be made and visitors can see what the problem is, so they don't get a bad impression of this wiki
 * 2) And for the ones that are willing to contribute, but does not have an account? What do we do about them?
 * 3) Per Mario7.
 * 4) Per Iggy, I highly doubt IPs are going to look in Wiki Maintenance, so it can make it harder to have some valid contributions.
 * 5) The reason the notice template generates categories is that, y'know, so it's a convenient way to see all the articles that have a similar problem in that category. I don't see any other valid point other than it clutters the category page and it is unrelated. If such article HAS a category that calls for improvement, that actually makes the category related to the article. If we hid the categories, it would make it much more of a hassle to navigate around, making sure we have to always click on Wiki Maintenance instead of going on the bottom of the page and searching if there's any more. There's a reason no other wikis I know don't hide their categories: it's hiding a problem on the article and making them hidden would make it harder for editors to search and correct them. And there's editors who would like to look for random articles to fix. Overall, I don't see any decent advantages of hiding this, and it would cause problems for editors looking for an article for a similar problem.
 * 6) Per Iggy and Baby Luigi.

Comments
So, exactly why do we need to hide these categories? And wouldn't unchecking the hide option show categories that are hidden in the first place, adding more clutter?
 * So the categories bar doesn't get crowded with categories unrelated to the subject itself.. as for the second question, I don't think I quite understand it.
 * My question is that are there already hidden categories in the first place? You know, I'd like to know the amount of categories that are already hidden.
 * Nope! There are no hidden categories yet! any hidden category will automatically go in Category:Hidden categories which I will create as soon this proposal pass.

@Mario7 The problem can be easily seen by looking on the Notice Template which is mostly on the top of any page. And Editor can see them by checking the 'Show hidden Categories' option.

Like I said, there are also anons that are willing to contribute the wiki. Keep the hidden categories visible for them.


 * Most-to-All Maintenance categories can be seen in Maintenance, I purpose hiding them so the categories bar doesn't get crowded with them.. Taking Trick as an example, and you will see that there is 2 categories which aren't helpful in navigation at all. Look at List of Mario references on the Web and you would see that 3/5 categories are not related to the article just Maintenance. Imagine if this article was requested to be protected (which what I would just about to do, before Walkazo done it) and has media files (which what I will do soon), and it need a reference or two. That would mean that 6/8 of categories which will be hidden from normal view.
 * So? Anyone can ignore them. You don't need to hide them, especially when that means anons cannot navigate with the bar, as they don't have a preference page.


 * ِAgain, all Maintenance categories are found in Maintenance and Category:MarioWiki Maintenance

Guideline section for "References to other games"/"References in later games"
After reading this proposal, I've been observing the sections "References to other games" and "References in later games" in game articles for quite a while, and I agree people kind of exaggerate it: even when something resembles another thing to them, it does not mean the purpose was to make a reference. The sections are filled with examples, like these from New Super Mario Bros. U:


 * Yoshi's Safari: In this game, Lemmy Koopa is the first Koopaling to be fought, and Larry is the boss of a water-themed world.
 * Super Paper Mario: Grrrols resemble Spiky Tromps.
 * Super Mario 3D Land: [...] Also, the Acorn Tree is similar to the Tail Tree because both items produce similar power-ups. Also, Ball 'n' Chains swing in a pendulum-like manner again.

So, simply saying they "are similar" isn't enough to decide they're a reference. See my draft (that might needs some work) showing how we could add these rules to References.

Proposer: Deadline: October, 14 2013 23:59 GMT

Make this section in MarioWiki:References

 * Per my proposal.
 * 1) Grrols resembling Spiky Tromps is a reference to Super Paper Mario? Lol. Yeah we need an official guideline on this.

Removals
None at the moment.

Allow Users to issue warnings to IP addresses
User can issue warnings to other users, so why can't Users issue warnings to IP addresses? Just commenting on the IP's Talk Page to tell it to stop breaking the rules without a template is silly, adding templates and then the comment is a lot easier just like we issue warnings to users that break the rules.

Proposer: Deadline: October 10th, 2013 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per Proposal. Also, if this proposal passes, this means we are not going to add the Block Template to the IP's Talk Page.

Oppose

 * 1) – Unlike registered users, a message to an IP isn't always directed to one person. Many different people may use an IP, so the warning hierarchy wouldn't work on IPs the same way it would on users simply because one person may unfairly hold behind them a wall of warnings when they didn't do it. It's much better to issue an informal reminder which serves as a "last warning" for any misbehavior, and then block them for an appropriate amount of time thereafter, rather than cluttering an IP talk page with templates.
 * 2) Per YK.
 * 3) Per YoshiKong.
 * 4) Per YoshiKong.
 * 5) – Per YoshiKong.
 * 6) It explicitly states reasons for the special treatment of anons directly on the blocking policy clearly and understandably, and yes, this applies to warnings/reminders/crap too.
 * 7) - Per YK.
 * 8) I'll be different and say per Baby Luigi.

Re-create script pages
On October 7, the script pages for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon and Mario & Luigi: Dream Team were deleted, along with Template:Scripts without a proposal. I thing that this wiki should have these pages because it provides a lot of information on the game it has a script for. My proposal is to have an administrator bring these pages, including the template, back and to have the ability to create script pages in the future.

Proposer: Deadline: 23:59 GMT on October 14, 2013

Support

 * 1) These articles are helpful and there are no negative aspects of passing this proposal. Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) This explains well enough and I completely agree with Walkazo on this. We are an encyclopedia. We summarize aspects on games, not make a full blown story on the games. This is not the site for such info. Your reasoning is not strong enough to make us consider bringing the scripts back (well at least not to me anyway). The last thing this site needs is a lawsuit.
 * 2) Per Baby Luigi.