User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick/Archive 3

Re:SMBE JP SML2
Yes, Furiko is mentioned as a smaller version of Furizō and the Mario Zone bosses are only known individually in the Japanese version (not "Three Little Pigheads" or any other group name) on page 76. They were also in the older encyclopedia, I've added that reference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Raphael
The situation is not exactly the same as Big Lantern Ghost, as both that one from Paper Mario and from Yoshi's New Island have different Japanese names. The one from Paper Mario's size is roughly the same as the the metallic one and has a bandage on his forehead, while the one from Yoshi's New Island is bigger and lacks the bandage. And the Lantern isn't exactly the same, so this is why i putted the split template on Big Lantern Ghost. The Big Lantern Ghost from Paper Mario's Japanese name is Big Kantera-kun, while the Yoshi's New Island one is Mega Kantera. -- 04:39, 6 November 2018 (EST)
 * If it gets merged, should "Big Kyutyan" be at least a redirect, since it's Raphael's Japanese name is romanized as Big Kyutyan, and usually, when an english name is found, there's still a redirect to the Japanese name. Take exemple on Slip Slidin' Away (Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3). -- 04:03, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Raven
I guess so, in lieu of anything better. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2018 (EST)

re:Obvious terrible photoshop
I'm getting of the obvious really shitty ones first. I'm a bit more hesitant on the recolours since I vaguely remember finding something that indicates the obvious edit that is the Kreepy Krow render is actually legit, but if that guy isn't able to prove those images aren't fan edits (which DKVine's galleries are full of), I'll just delete them tomorrow. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2018 (EST)

"Only" in Sentences
I've learned that putting "only" in different places in a sentence can alter the meaning of it. For example, "The bucket can only hold three gallons of water," means that the bucket holds three gallons of water but does not empty it, whereas "The bucket can hold only three gallons of water," means that the bucket can hold no more than three gallons of water. People who take certain sentences literally might misunderstand what they are really saying. Dwhitney (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Updating files
Ah, thanks. That had never happened before, so I was wondering if there was something weird about the image I was trying to upload. Scrooge200 (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Your username being hard to type
I was mostly joking. Don't worry dude, I love your name :P -- 19:14, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spike Top artwork
What I do know is that the "Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia" came out approximately four years after Super Mario World and one year before Mario Clash. If it's the first appearance of the Spike Top artwork, that time gap can lead one to conclude that it doesn't fully coincide with the game. Note that the book seems to have artwork exclusively drawn for it (namely some arcade and Game Boy enemies), so there's a decent chance it was made later. If there is an earlier release of the artwork, let me know! LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Spirit Sandbox
I'm still working on it, so it's still rough around the edges.

Regarding the Big Bertha thing, I'd rather some discussion actually taking place before slapping a or  onto the page, though, especially given there were two proposals for that that failed, rather than having the template remain there for weeks without any discussion moving the matter forward. 05:10, 16 November 2018 (EST)

re:Mr Yporolsa
Thanks, but I already know that you can upload new versions of files instead uploading a new one. It just said that I can't upload a new version. Idk why, but now it works normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RE: Flower Fields
That something is odd about Flower Fields doesn't mean it's a different dimension or anything of the like. Super Mario Bros. 3 features several places with a unique sun, and no one argues that those places are in a different world than the Mushroom Kingdom. Anyway, I brought the point up on the Discord channel; and an admin removed the speculation about precursors but left the rest, which is fine by me. JaybirdC (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Squeaks
You're right, but looking again, the disambig is now completely unnecessary since the name for Little Mouser in The Thousand-Year Door is "Squeek" and not "Squeak" like it stated. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:00, 18 November 2018 (EST)
 * It seems silly to keep the disambig page when one example is a misspelling and the other is a fake. I'd say it falls under the "too general" exemption. I don't understand why the policy was recently updated to retain conjectural titles and spelling mistakes, but the spelling mistake only applies to one actual subject. Either way, Mario jc already deleted it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Commas and name citations
Yes, it was Walkazo. Specifically, I remember there was a post about how that citation style was preferred because it is more academic or scientific. Although, the way things were done before was "first come, first serve" generally, but Big Cheep Cheep having an inconsistency with the commas right in the first sentence just looked silly. In fairness, things have changed since then (for example, we now enforce American spelling over British spelling instead of using whichever happened to be written first, which frankly looked unprofessional yet actually used to be warnable), so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to look into getting a clearer policy on this as well to help set the record straight. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Stubs
Okay. Thanks for telling me. -- 17:10, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE:Hamma Jamma
Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner! Yeah, I didn't take in-game into consideration... Guess there's always a next time. 20:12, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Re: Snow Guy
I'm pretty sure they are just regular Shy Guys to be honest. I don't think I've seen Snow Guys ANYWHERE in Tennis Aces.

19:16, 22 November 2018 (EDT)

RE:Big Bertha
Why should I take this serious anyways? Remember, this is a wiki about a videogame franchise. This wiki is just a game for me and I argued not because I care much about that or something, but because I just like arguing against people and mocking them (although you shouldn't take it all too personal). I should expect an adult to be able to separate jokes and arguments from a post and take the quintessence out of it, and not cry about the writer not being completely serious in such a discussion. 14:16, 23 November 2018 (CET)

Spark and Piro Dangle
Sure they are similar, and have the same Japanese name, but have a different design, and don't exactly do the same thing. Normal Sparks can't have their electricity off for a few seconds, and Piro Dangle are fiery instead of electric. And they didn't appear at the same time. -- 01:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Color variations: Toads vs Yoshis
I guess that the original proposal was specifically about enemies, but still, you'd think that similar logic applies here (although even the unique color abilities generally disappeared after Super Mario World unless I'm forgetting something). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spriter's Resource
It would make more sense, but I've only found references to the Spriters Resource on it and VG Resource-related sites. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Mask and Birdface
If I recall correctly, the Shogakukan guide for Super Mario Collection/All-Stars gave the goal and boss versions unique names, so that could work. Mister Wu might be the one to clarify. Though, both have the same name in the original Inside Out guides. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Template:DidYouKnow
Did You Know template should have four points and an image, so rather than remove that information, it should be replaced. 18:32, 28 November 2018 (EST)
 * You did, but rather than remove the information and tell someone else to replace it, you should find a replacement of your own so the four points and image remain. I can find something, but just letting you know for next time. 18:38, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Re:A question on Dark Horse
To be honest, I don't know too much about the Zelda Encyclopedia translation due to losing interest in post-Hyrule Historia books after I heard that Hyrule Graphics onwards was mostly written by Nintendo Dream with a conspicuous disclaimer stating that artistic liberties were taken with the source material, essentially making them licensed fanfiction in my eyes. The new things that Encyclopedia says about the Kokiri and Majora's Mask makes me certain those magazine writers took the chance to get their fan theories approved. Of course, I could be wrong and Nintendo really did intend for Kokiri to only be rural Hylians who aren't actually children or that saving Termina was basically purposeless, but the fact we've only heard about these details in such a sketchy product makes me seriously question the authenticity of these claims. It disappoints me that Zelda Wiki decided these recent books override references to existing ones for no good reason, knowing the iffy writing and flimsy translation.

But I digress. I do know of at least one error with the translation of Encyclopedia, and that has to do with its timeline. In the newer timeline (which seems to be valid since the series' Japanese website reuses it), in addition to the inclusion of some games that have been released since Hyrule Historia, the position of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages was moved from between A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening to sometime not long after both. In the Japanese version, it's a different Link, presumably to explain why Zelda doesn't appear to recognize him (even though he literally waltzes right up to the Triforce and is automatically accepted as a hero right at the beginning of these games, so there was going to be a plot hole either way). In the English version, it's the same Link, making the shift pointless. Personally, after A Link Between Worlds implied that the characters of "Gramps" and "Mapes" were respectively ALttP Link and Maple, I don't understand the change. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:50, 2 December 2018 (EST)
 * Even more - it's outright stated. There was a Zelda Universe thread when the Japanese version, Hyrule Encyclopedia, first came out (post #30 is where the Termina bit is translated, post #123 is where the staff page and "creative liberty" statement were discovered). Though in retrospect, Nintendo more or less letting fans write encyclopedic books for one of their key franchises sort of set the bar for what happened with the English version of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)
 * Yeah, I also feel pretty strongly about it, and they're both among my personal favorite 2D and 3D games in the series. I'm still crossing my fingers for Miyamoto or Aonuma to address the exclusive Encyclopedia material with something along of lines of "well, that's only one possible interpretation." LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:19, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Data-rendered models
I understand. From now on, I'll post these kinds of images in their own separate "Data-rendered models" section. --MarioKartDoubleDash (talk) 12:39, 5 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boss Bass
That's exactly what I meant when I brought up the Ptooie case. 13:44, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Blurp Bass
Well, the game itself only refers to them as Blurps (Japanese: Pukupuku, oddly enough), so you can easily consider them the same thing but just color variants of each other. Additionally, Red Blurp itself is very similar to Boss Bass, and having Blue Blurp in the same article would actually help a ton in differentiating them (plus it's about as likely to have been the Star Hole in Mario Golf, so taking it as one "Blurp" would make that a bit cleaner). So I would lean towards this idea, sure. As for the artwork, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the original source for it might have been the old website. If it is, it probably accompanies Cheep Cheep or Red Blurp, so we'd go with whichever one it was. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Re: YouTube for DiC
Does this mean I'll have to use "WildBrain - Cartoon Super Heroes" for the highest quality or does this mean I have to type in "HD" next to the "YouTube" part of the upload data of File:SpinyTAOSMB3.png?

Is there some queer alternatives to this nowadays?

8: 39, 8 December 2018 (EDT)

Re: Русский язык
That's actually supposed to happen whenever you italicize Russian. Granted, it also confused me in the little Russian language book I got for myself when studying as it didn't mention that it does that (and it did that also whenever it wrote in italics, so it confused me on how to pronounce it. See the difference between Русский язык and Русский язык. It's not just the t's that get affected but other words too and I have yet to distinguish them. Probably should type all of the Cyrillic out and see what gets affected by the italicization. 13:05, 9 December 2018 (EST)

Donut Plains
Informal shortening? Why? This sounds me British English and this does not count as informal language. 15:49, 12 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Image galleries
I'm sorry for what happen Benjaminkirsc (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Hothead
Right as I got that I just noticed the image notice on Gallery:Super_Mario_World, though I looked around and it seems Ultimate does use the Smash artwork for the spirit oddly enough. 19:50, 13 December 2018 (EST)

A spooky question
Since you told me you've worked with music and sound before, I'd like to know your opinion on something. Let's say there's a game that reuses a track from another game with some differences, such as having a different soundfont and maybe some pitches added. For example, Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis uses a version of the Spooky House theme from Mario vs. Donkey Kong for its Spooky Attic level. In this case, what should the Spooky Attic version be called in relation to the original?
 * "remix" is out of the question because the composition is the same
 * "arrangement" sounds too pretentious for what it is; the term feels like it would refer to an orchestrated version or something that uses real instruments, while here we're talking strictly electronic sounds
 * "cover" is used exclusively for songs, afaik.

For situations like these, I prefer using the term "retuned version" (e.g. "The Spooky Attic theme is a retuned version of the Spooky House theme.") because it uses different tunes for the same composition. However, not only does it sound fake, it can also be misread as "returned" with a second "r".

There are many music tracks from the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series in the same situation and I want to know what's good for the future. Therefore, what term do you think best fits this case? -- 19:59, 13 December 2018 (EST)
 * Thanks, I dumb and didn't think of putting it that simply. -- 22:12, 13 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boomerang Bro. image problem
Sorry, I'm not sure what the problem is myself but I'll bring it up in admin discussion and see if any of the more tech-savvy staff know. Which artwork specifically doesn't load? Do they show up when logged out? I had a problem where the word "Advertisements" didn't show up in headers while logged in because an ad-blocker hid anything with ID "Advertisements" from me, so maybe it could be something similar to that. 00:50, 16 December 2018 (EST)


 * Yep, that seems to be a similar case according to Porplemontage. Just disable it for MarioWiki since ads don't appear when logged in anyway. 01:34, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Biglies
Yeah, Big Bullet Bill was probably just me remembering incorrectly (unless someone somehow submitted a hacked level, but I doubt it). The Kamella reasoning makes sense, though I am curious if Big Magikoopa's name would happen to be exactly the same as Giant Kamek's (I couldn't find out with quick searching, but it's probably Deka Kamek anyway). LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2018 (EST)

Ukiki and other "Giant" enemies.
I forgot to ask you in a while though. You said if your Cheep Chomp proposal failed, you said we should reconsider Ukiki/Grinder/Osaru-san. Should we also reconsider other Kyodai/Dai and Deka enemies too? Or only for Ukikis? -- 12:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)
 * In which reason for Koopa Troopa? Unlike Big Boo, the "Big" enemies don't seem to be based off each other. -- 13:06, 2 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Complicating frog
The same can be said about Dark Moon frogs (since they also act as enemies) and they aren't going to be split. The differences from one frog to another are so variable that it's safer to keep them lumped together into one article to avoid confusion. -- 18:49, 6 January 2019 (EST)

About Togemen
That's fine, but I was actually going to say that, if calling the original version "white" is the point of contention (as it may be more accurately just imply a lighter hue), I'd be okay if you also wanted to remove that bit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Re:Purple Bullet Bill
With the case of SMB3 Missile Bill, i'm waiting for Mister Wu's answer to see if Bull's Eye Bill was listed as a SMB3 enemy in the Super Mario Pia, so we can have a proof if the section should stay, or merged with Bullet Bill. With the case of Purple Bullet Bill, (which i didn't notice until you bring that to my talk page) is actually a color behavior difference (with the Encyclopedia using an identifier as other colored enemies). -- 04:09, 23 January 2019 (EST)
 * You mean in these cases? -- 04:22, 23 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Edit summary length
Some changes Steve made to the CSS I presume. It's likely a work in progress, as there are some features missing like the collapsible nav templates. 19:21, 24 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Ghosts template
There still is templates like that, such as Template:Flowers. Also, Alex95 approved of the Ghosts template. I did not know that we deleted templates like that, as the Ghosts template was deleted as it was moved to template:Undead, which was in turn deleted, although the delete log only said get outta here. It does say that these templates are deleted on Navigation templates, so I will add a delete template on the template. 12:27, 28 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Piranha
shoot thanks for the heads up. Even if I can't move things, am I still allowed to add things to articles?

Re:"Normal Pokey Doesn't Appear In The Game"
That's called "Dharma Sambo" (だるまサンボ) on page 127 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., but the Prima guide calls it a red "Pokey" on pages 197 and 204. The Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide isn't as neat as the Super Mario Galaxy 2 one and calls several enemies more generically (for example, Piranha Plant and Spiny Piranha Plant are both "Piranha Plants", Goomba and Goombeetle are both "Goombas", Octoguys are "squids", etc.). Dharma Samba is smaller than Coco Sambo and is defeated more easily, so I totally get how the wiki arrived at "Pokey" and "Big Pokey" - but that's also now Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia material, so we should probably do something about them. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * "Big Pokey" got in the English Encyclopedia (so did the Spiny/Prickly mix-up that you and Ultimate caught on, incidentally), so at least that one's in a position where it should be changed. The red Pokey / Dharma Sambo might use some discussion first since there's something to it, though. Anyway, I've been using the filename romanizations since they do match up ("Dharma" likely refers to a, with which it shares etymology in Japanese, I guess due to its smoother round segments). About that website - I know what you're talking about. It was here and it had WIP info on the sequel and Super Mario 3D Land as well, but now it's been converted to a game hack page and the original site seems gone. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * That's another reason why I thought it might be better to just split off Big Pokey now and worry about the red Pokey later, but there's "coconut" for Coco Sambo and "red" for Dharma Sambo off the top of my head. Neither are very ideal, though. Maybe "yellow Super Mario Galaxy enemy" and "red Super Mario Galaxy enemy" or something along those lines if it's not too wordy. Also, since the namesake coconuts aren't used to defeat the Thwomp Desert Pokey, I don't think it's supposed to be the same thing. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * If that's the case, then both should be merged with Pokey (at least for now), since having Coco Sambo as Big Pokey would basically be citing Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia... LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * The thing is that Big Pokey didn't properly exist until New Super Mario Bros. U. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:14, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * You're right! There are definitely two different-sized Pokeys in the Double Dash version of the course, so I'll add it as its debut. It'd be simplest to leave the article unsplit... Although, on the other hand, the trading card also treats them as color variations instead of mentioning a size difference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:SMRPG Magikoopa
There are several Magikoopas seen with Bowser at Rose Way and Moleville, so I think the more likely scenario is that Square intended for a Magikoopa to be fought as a basic enemy like the Goombas and Terrapins that also accompany Bowser (in fact, there's some evidence suggesting that there might have been an entire deleted area), but it was removed and repurposed for the intro (Magidragon and BB-Bomb have blank names in the Japanese version, so they were likely always intended for the intro). This may be the reason why Magikoopa/Kamezard was given a unique name from the generic Magikoopa/Kamek. That reminds me: in the Japanese version, it's made clearer that not only was Kamezard leading Bowser's Magikoopas, but Jagger and the Goomba from Monstro Town (the guardian of the triplets) were also part of Bowser's remaining Terrapins and Goombas. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Doki Doki
Noted. Also; it's possible - but here's a better link. The website credits the "Doki Doki Panic" help guide as their source for said images, whatever a help guide is. Manual? Strategy guide? Regardless... Also here's a link to all images tagged DDP
 * I found Hisshō Kōryakuhō when I looked up a Doki Doki Panic help guide, and found an enemy page from the book. It matches up with the art in the Super Mario USA version as seen on the talk page (note Mario and a potion can be spotted there), so it seems the company reused artwork. You can also see that there's artwork that the Video Game Art Archive didn't upload, such as Tryclyde and Green Birdo. I can't tell at this point if all of the artwork is the same, as the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual updated Pokey and the guide's artwork is closer to the original. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2019 (EST)

RE:Bullet Bill
By zooming in on this part of this video you can see servrel black dots on the sprite. It seems like there are these dots on the sprite, so I apologize for my mistake. 18:41, 8 February 2019 (EST)
 * It seems like the dots are an error then, so I again apologize for my mistake. 20:51, 8 February 2019 (EST)

About using romanized file names
I don't think it's inherently ridiculous; I did the same approximation for the "Big" enemies (like Paragoomba) from Super Mario Galaxy 2, which kept things more consistent and much less of a headache to keep track of on those pages. It slightly bends protocol a bit, sure, but it conveniently aligns with the current conclusion. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I mean, if "Giant Land Para-Goomba" couldn't be used, then using "Big Paragoomba" like that would've been anachronistic, hence referencing the filename (also because the older big names for the other enemies were spanning several different time frames and frankly looked silly when applied to Super Mario Galaxy 2 given they'd be using the current names right in the next game). Though I guess they're not direct romanizations like Propeller Packun because that would be "Deka" and unusable. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I concede on Propeller Piranha, but again (even putting aside that Big Paragoomba didn't exactly exist yet): Giant Goomba originally came from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Piranha Plant originally came from the New Super Mario Bros. guide, and the big Koopa Troopa presented the distinct problem of which name from the Super Mario Bros. 3 guide would be most appropriate (should it be Giant Koopa, which is an umbrella term that could be grouping Colossal Koopa Paratroopas together, or Green Gargantua Koopa Troopa, even though Red Giant Koopa Troopas don't appear and thus the color distinction is superfluous?). It was a hodge-podge of various outdated sources, and in this case, a simpler, less messy method is available - the "Big" filenames arriving at the same destination. Either way, it wasn't going to be perfect. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * Are you thinking of the Koopa Troopas from the first game? They also came in red, but they're all green in the sequel. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I was referring to Super Mario Galaxy 2. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I'm referring to the enemies from Supermassive Galaxy in general, which all reference their modern "Big" names now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * Keep in mind that Big Wigglers and Big Thwomps are also in Supermassive Galaxy, so you would've had all these different names for a big enemy from more or less unrelated sources clashing with the modern one within the same space. That case is one where being strict is counterintuitive and a bit of an eyesore. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Because it marks a turning point where the standard was knowingly switched to "Big" over the unique names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Just Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as far as I know. If it counts, the Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide calls it a "big Goomba" then switches to "giant Goomba" (29). Unfortunately, the Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guide also didn't use proper names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Just like Small Goomba, the impression I had is that it was never considered a "true" Big Goomba since it is a normal one artificially under Kamek's spell, but I could be wrong. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Paper Mario: Color Splash is a case where the Japanese names are different as well, with Mega Goomba being Kyodai Kuribō instead of Deka Kuribō and Small Goomba being Chibi Kuribō instead of Mame Kuribō (though for what it's worth, the internal names are big_kuribo and small_kuribo). LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2019 (EST)

I just found out that the Prima guide for Super Mario 3D World consistently gives the name "Mega Piranha Plant" to Big Piranha Plant, and since the filename for it is PackunFlowerBig, that proves me wrong. So I'll move the affected big enemies back to the then-current names and make an exception for Big Paragoomba. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2019 (EST)