Talk:Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Wii U)

Released date
Hi, There in there a exact Released date ? (Or you have to wait E3 2015 ?) --Captain Yoshi 11:39, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Dude, the game was just confirmed 6 days ago. I think it will be like Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, and the official date will come later. Captain Toad (his mail box) Getting my own game soon! 19:59, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Ah ! Ok ! Thanks ! --Captain Yoshi YoshiYellow-MK8.png 10:01, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

New stuff
This might be interesting to look at... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura  20:43, 7 June 2015 (EDT) I'm not sure about writing that Rosalina is in there as I cannot see her.Marioguy (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy

I found Amy!!! I will add her. Marioguy (talk) 08:44, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy Should I add her to the 3ds version of the game? Marioguy (talk) 09:25, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy I found Amy from zooming in. Marioguy (talk) 13:18, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy

If you're going to claim that Amy is playable, then post a reference. You have not posted a single piece of evidence proving she is even in the game. Everything you try is clearly a "red link" which is unacceptable. Crash-Bash (talk) 03:37, 4 July 2015 (EDT)

I don't know how to upload pictures. Marioguy (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy
 * In the side bar under tools. Crazy8MK8.png King Koopa (talk) MK8 Bowser Icon.png 09:59, 4 July 2015 (EDT)

I tried didn't go well but I know the picture it it is in the top of this section the 2nd screenshot in the link. Marioguy (talk) 10:11, 4 July 2015 (EDT) Marioguy


 * I don't see her at all. Crash-Bash (talk) 01:53, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
 * There is a pink speck (Amy) at what I think is the starting line. Marioguy (talk) 08:13, 5

July 2015 (EDT) Marioguy
 * I don't see any pink speck near any starting line, and the one thing I do see that looks vaguely pink, there's no way of telling if it's Amy or not. Crash-Bash (talk) 14:05, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

Sticks
If you watch the e3 trailer and stop at 0:48, you can see Sticks from Sonic Boom playing archery. Not sure if she is playable, but it should be known she is in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7umYt9krg--Poponana2 (talk) 14:09, 16 June 2015 (EDT)
 * Good catch! 14:11, 16 June 2015 (EDT)


 * Yes, but that's clearly the 3DS version, we have no proof if she's in the Wii U version or not. Crash-Bash (talk) 12:59, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Rosalina?
I have noticed a website said Nintendo leaked 5 photos but only 3 can be seen now I that was deleted has Rosalina in synchronized swimming. Marioguy (talk) 16:00, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy
 * As long as someone can cough up the photo evidence, she's good as confirmed. But until then, it's not for sure. MarioComix (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2015 (EDT)

Ok its just that she was there in the list and then a second later she disappeared. Marioguy (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy

Wait should she be in unknown? Marioguy (talk) 17:26, 3 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy
 * No because she hasn't actually been fully seen yet. Sticks has, but whether or not she's playable isn't known at the moment.

Ok! Thanks! Marioguy (talk) 09:21, 4 July 2015 (EDT)Marioguy

Release date leaked?
In the games' pages for Nintendo Spain, both versions of Wii U and 3DS will be released in physical format in 2016, but the Wii U digital version will be launched August 9, 2016 according to the website, but I think it's incomprehensible because the games in Mario & Sonic series tend to release before the Olympics Games take place. What do you think?

http://www.nintendo.es/Juegos/Wii-U/Mario-Sonic-en-los-Juegos-Olimpicos-Rio-2016--1026451.html

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6ZM05vo8Vqo/VYMq0yqD3CI/AAAAAAAADRQ/1Z0vZZ0PUTI/s512/M%252526S-2016.PNG

--81.43.152.169 17:14, 14 July 2015 (EDT)

Arcade version
Sega announced an edition of the game and I was wondering where this info would go on this wiki since this article only covers the Wii U version. Luigifan95 (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
 * Perhaps its own section right before "references to other games" (in this case after "events")? 22:27, 18 July 2015 (EDT)


 * Where does it announce that? The link clearly leads to talking about a different game altogether. Crash-Bash (talk) 14:23, 20 July 2015 (EDT)


 * Is nobody actually going to post an actual link to this arcade edition? Crash-Bash (talk) 01:59, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
 * http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2015/07/17/89509.html --Glowsquid (talk) 10:47, 23 July 2015 (EDT)


 * Oh, OK, but it still doesn't show anything involving Wario. Crash-Bash (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
 * Here's a pic from Sonic Stadium from the arcade edition. Luigifan95 (talk) 11:04, 25 July 2015 (EDT)

Legitimate Update - Release Month
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/01/nintendo-confirms-3ds-chibi-robo-doctor-mario-bravely-second-more-for-north-america.aspx?

Apparantly, this has been known since June. CrashBash (talk) 16:25, 9 October 2015 (EDT)
 * August 2016? And we haven't placed this information since June? Geez, well, I'm both surprised it took us this long to figure that out, but not surprised because we're always a little slow on Mario & Sonic coverage. 16:33, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

You want proof on Rosalina?
You got proof. Aidanzapunk (talk) 23:17, 12 November 2015 (EST)


 * Very nice, now notice that you're posting a trailer from the 3DS version on the page for the Wii U version. Yes, I understand the fact that she's in the 3DS version all but confirms she's in the Wii U version because, well, consistency, but we still technically can't say for certain. CrashBash (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Vector
Marioguy (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2015 (EST) If it gives you an error I will say it, it has a Vector flag. (Wii U version) Marioguy (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Zazz (Sonic Lost World)
Zazz from Sonic Lost World can be seen playing table tennis against Yoshi 20 seconds into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APV7ri3scLI&feature=youtu.be

DaisyisBae (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2015 (EST)


 * We are clear he's in the game and he may be playable, given the fact that Ludwig can be seen playing table tennis in the 3DS version. So now that I think about it, can we safely say he'll be playable? I mean we haven't really seen anything other than trailers so what's to say that Ludwig or Wendy are even playable?

About Ludwig Von Koopa, he had an icon Zazz has no flag, icon nothing so we can't really say much about Zazz and possibly Wendy O. Koopa.

At this stage, it's likely, but not confirmed. I think practically everyone else has been specifically confirmed. CrashBash (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2015 (EST) Whos Flag is this? to me it looks like Zazz's but im not 100% sure Doctor Marc (talk)

Characters Exclusive to Certain Events
I know in past installments for the 3DS that certain characters are exclusive to certain events, but has this historically been the same for the Wii U version? If it has been or if it has been confirmed that this is the case, should that be added to the article?. User:FireFlower
 * No. The 3DS version of London had the characters tied to certain events, but the Wii version didn't have that restriction.--A Pimp Named Slickback 19:49, 29 December 2015 (EST)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Will the same happen for this game?User:FireFlower
 * We don't know for certain yet. DK Fan


 * From what little we've seen, it doesn't look like the Wii U release has exclusive characters, but it's a bit hard to say for certain. CrashBash (talk) 11:21, 30 December 2015 (EST)

A little skeptical.
Can we really use the 3DS character line-up to attribute to the Wii U version? Yes, we know at the very least that Nabbit, Diddy Kong, Jet, Rouge and Zazz are also in the Wii U version, but that's really all we know. CrashBash (talk) 11:20, 30 December 2015 (EST)


 * That is a good point, but considering there are 40 characters in the 3DS version, I can't imagine that there would be less in the Wii U installment. User:FireFlower

Birdo
According to the article, Birdo has been confirmed for the game; however, I have not found a single picture or video with her doing a particular sport. Perhaps this was mixed with the fact that Red Birdos will be appearing as support characters. Either way, is there actual proof that states that the central Birdo character will be making an appearance representing Team Mario. User:FireFlower
 * In reality, Birdo is in the 3DS version, nothing is known about the Wii U version, not even if it is still in development. Regarding the 3DS version, the official Japanese site says that Birdo will be involved in archery.--Mister Wu (talk) 04:54, 3 January 2016 (EST)
 * Okay so since Birdo, or any other character who this concerns, hasn't been seen in the Wii U version, shouldn't it be removed or at least stated in the articles that she and the other unknown characters play a part in the 3DS version.
 * Who decided to move Birdo to supporting like an idiot? She was seen right at the end of the most recent trailer playing with the others. Just because she wasn't as present as the others doesn't mean she isn't fully playable. She most likely just has to be unlocked. I think we should not jump to conclusions until more info is released, that or until the game itself shows otherwise (this applies to all characters I feel).--0Ghost0 (talk) 21:08, 5 March 2016 (EST)
 * I moved Birdo in the supporting characters for this reason: in the new trailer she is shown as a goalie, and the goalies in the soccer game are suppporting characters, as you can see in the case of the Red Birdo in the Nintendo Direct 2015 video.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2016 (EST)
 * Well, with a new game comes changes, maybe you can assign a main character to be a goalie now. But I understand your reasoning, but still feel we should wait and see.--0Ghost0 (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2016 (EST)
 * If you want my opinion, I too think that Birdo will be a playable character because she is one in the 3DS version. But this is the Wii U version and we have limited information on it for now, since Red Birdo in the 2015 video is clearly a supporting character I am going the safe route for now and just assume that goalies are still supporting characters like in that video.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2016 (EST)
 * Was it really neccessary to start that comment by calling people idiots? You do realise that automatically renders your entire argument invalid, right? But seriously, we are avoiding jumping to conclusions, which is why she is in the supporting characters list for the moment. Yes, she was playable in the 3DS version, but it's clear from the get-go that the roster between the two versions is different (Boom Boom and Toad are not 3DS characters), so we need to be a little cautious. CrashBash (talk) 02:02, 6 March 2016 (EST)
 * All of you need to watch the video again. Boom Boom, who is a supporting character, was standing with the entire playable cast. Furthermore, can't any character intercept the ball like Birdo did and not be a goalie? Also, the character count for Team Mario is only 18, which is inconsistent with Team Sonic's number. Lastly, is there any footage showing Toad as a playable character? User:FireFlower
 * I think you're misunderstanding the criterion why Toad and Boom Boom are among the playable characters. Birdo, Red Birdo and Egg Pawns aren't among the characters greeting the public in the introductory night scene. This, along with the other characters greeting (who are clearly playable characters) and other details (such as the pedestals they are on) suggests the characters who are greeting the public are the playable characters that SEGA wants us to know about. Toad and Boom Boom were among them. This is why they were inserted among the playable characters. Please keep in mind that Larry and Wendy didn't appear in any event as well (well, Larry didn't appear at all in other parts of the trailer!), yet they were inserted because they were among the characters greeting the public in this night scene.


 * The Boom Boom as playable character is different from the Boom Booms that will be supporting characters in the rugby game (and appear later in the trailer, along with the Egg Pawns), in the same way as Yoshi is different from the colored Yoshis that are supporting him in the soccer game of the 3DS version (although in the case of Boom Boom they all look the same, generating the confusion that we have now).--Mister Wu (talk) 21:05, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Wii U Release Date
apparently the wii u version of this game is set for a 9th August 2016 release should it be added to the page? http://gonintendo.com/stories/250110-eu-nintendo-sites-list-mario-sonic-at-the-rio-2016-olympic-game
 * Actually, the real release date is June 24th. --RodneytheMiiGuy 18:18, 3 March 2016 (EST)

Exclusive characters?
Since we've now seen the intro for the Wii U version, it appears that there are indeed characters that are exclusive to each version. Obviously, I don't want to jump to too many assumptions, but for now I've deleted the characters who do not feature in the trailer. CrashBash (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2016 (EST)
 * It's possible that SEGA will reveal other characters, but I think it's better anyway to have only information based on the trailers for the Wii U version.--Mister Wu (talk) 15:41, 4 March 2016 (EST)

Since Dry Bowsers flag was recently spotted in the trailer doesn't that mean other characters like Omega, Eggman Nega, Cream, Roy, Ludwig and Dry Bones are still in?
 * I'd say the least assumptions we make, the better it is. Toad and Boom Boom are in this version but not in the 3DS version. The arcade version has even less characters. I think it's better not to use material from other versions. After all, in the case of the 3DS version the full roster was revealed before release, so being cautious shouldn't be detrimental to people interested in this version.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Koopa Troopa
You know the Koopa Troopa is playable near the Mario's Cap

SonicRetro
Look, just to make this perfectly clear. My issue with SonicRetro being mentioned here is not that it "isn't a wiki" (since apparantly it is). The reason I am removing it is because the link really doesn't achieve anything in this particular case. I've seen the link, and it barely talks about the game at all. The article is extremely bare-bones. I don't know, but if I wanted to learn more about the game and I went to that link, I'd be very disappointed. The Sonic News Network gives a much better wiki page for the game.

If the SonicRetro page actually had some proper information on the game, I'd be fine with it being linked here. As it is, I see no reason to link to it when there is a far superior page to it on another wiki. I hope you guys at least understand my logic here. CrashBash (talk) 08:40, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Listen, I understand your point of view but nonetheless that is something that you should discuss with the staff before just removing it. --Raltseye (talk) 08:52, 10 April 2016 (EDT)


 * No, in this case, it is something that you should discuss with the staff before just adding it. You were the one who introduced the link, knowing it wasn't a very good link, so, yeah. I've already explained my reasoning why it should be removed. Do you have a reason why it should be added? CrashBash (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Okay how many times do I have to explain this to you? No I did NOT introduce that link. You see there was already a link prefix for that site and all I did was to make sure that that was used. And if you do not know what a link prefix is then I'll explain that to you right now. When I came here this site already linked to Sonic Retro used direct links such as but it can easier be link by using link prefixes such as sonicretro you see so that when writing Knuckles the Echidna it links to Knuckles the Echidna. Now I did once again NOT create that link prefix SOMEONE IN THE STAFF DID so if you have a problem with that go talk to them. The only ting I did was to make sure that it was consistently used because it was only on some pages and some pages missed them completely so I added them there. Once again if you have a problem with this go discuss this with the staff not me. --Raltseye (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
 * http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_%28Wii_U%29&diff=1967902&oldid=1965962 You didn't introduce the link, huh? This edit clearly shows otherwise. What you have said is clearly not the issue here. I will ask you again, why did you add the link, knowing not only that the link gave very little information, but also knowing you could have linked to the Sonic News Network which has vastly superior information? CrashBash (talk) 10:11, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
 * I did clearly not introduce the link as it was already there (not on the actual page but the ability to do it, so I thought that should be done on all pages). You are the one who should argue with the staff for if we should not use that link if you want that. --Raltseye (talk) 10:18, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
 * Yes you did. Look, this is an edit from early March http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_(Wii_U)&oldid=1958474 and as you can clearly see, there is no link to SonicRetro. http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_(Wii_U)&oldid=1965962 This was the edit made before yours. Again, no link to SonicRetro. http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_(Wii_U)&oldid=1967902 And this is your edit, that clearly adds the link to SonicRetro. To claim that you did not put the link in is pure denial on a level I simply can't understand. http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_%28Wii_U%29&diff=1967902&oldid=1965962 This edit clearly shows you adding the link to the page. Why are you denying what is so blatantly obvious? CrashBash (talk) 10:27, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

Enough. Crash, Raltseye is correct, the link was introduced at staff level, he was simply making use of the wiki prefixes to A. Tidy up the articles and B. Make links between relevant search terms for topics we don't normally cover and a trusted information source, both of which are standard curating tasks. If you look at the edits you linked to, the wiki syntax involved in this process is clearly visible. If your issue is more with the fact that SonicRetro is the trusted site were using, then, as you've been told before, either bring it to a staff member or get a TPP going. These random removals and harassment of other editors will not be tolerated. -- Ghost Jam 15:05, 10 April 2016 (EDT)


 * Oh, for god sake, that is NOT the issue I have with SonicRetro being included and you KNOW it isn't. I don't know how I could make this any more clear. The issue I have is the fact that the link provides nothing. Why don't you guys actually LOOK at the link and see how much information it provides. Here's a clue...it doesn't provide ANYTHING.

http://info.sonicretro.org/Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games
 * LOOK at the frickin' link. Look at what information it provides on the game. Virtually NOTHING. It doesn't tell you anything, there's no character list, no event list and only ONE image. It is pointless.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games
 * Now look at THIS link. From the Sonic News Network. Look how much information is provided. This is a vastly superior link to SonicRetro, which again, tells you NOTHING. If I wanted to find more information about the game, I'd definitely want to check out SNN, rather than SR, because at least SNN actually tells you about the game.
 * I feel I have every right to remove the link to SonicRetro purely because the information provided is not even in the slightest bit adequate. The fact you guys think linking to a page that literally only has a small table and one small image is frankly, mind-boggling. And the fact you're threatening to block me for removing a "bad link" is also mind-boggling. You've let other people remove duff links before, let me remove it, or at the very least replace it with the far superior Sonic News Network. And besides, Raltseye STILL hasn't explained why he added the link, knowing it had so little information, in the first place. He just keeps denying it, even though the edit history proves otherwise. And don't say he's correct about his claim that he didn't add the link because this revision http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games_%28Wii_U%29&diff=1967902&oldid=1965962 shows he clearly did. CrashBash (talk) 16:38, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

Generally speaking, MarioWiki has a "better something than nothing" way of doing things and pretty much all of our editors, senior or otherwise, work along this line. From my perspective, I walk in and see you blanket removing crap and screaming bloody murder, not switching in any of the supposedly better links you've talked about and not willing to leave it alone until it's been brought to open discussion. If you're not going to follow our standard procedures, it doesn't matter how right or wrong you are, you're going to get swatted down. And while we're at it, once this became an edit war, Raltseye should have brought it to the attention of staff instead of continuing.

Second issue, Raltseye did not add any links and the edit summaries you've provided prove that. He added a standard cross wiki syntax that provides wiki links based on already accepted link bases managed at staff level. Yes he added the syntax, but the link itself and the approval process to use other wikis did not come from him. It's also a moot point for point of this discussion, so I'm flat out telling you to stop harassing him about it.

Thirdly, my threat of a lock was to end the edit war, standard administrative practice. Do you have a link you think is better than the current SonicRetro one? Feel free to switch it in, but don't just leave it blank. -- Ghost Jam 22:37, 10 April 2016 (EDT)


 * OK, going through these one at a time as calmly as I can. First of all, I have already explained to you guys, several times, that the Sonic News Network provides much better information (I.E. it actually provides information) than SonicRetro. Second issue, "Yes he added the syntax"....guys, that's what I was talking about and you know it. He added the syntax, every other wiki calls that "adding the link". He was the one who added the link/syntax/whatever and the edit summaries I provided prove it. Please stop working around loopholes just to say I'm wrong. Every other wiki calls these "syntaxs" links, OK? Moreover, I feel it isn't a moot point, since he's the one who added the "syntax", knowing that the page was bad, so he should really be the one to explain why he added it in the first place. Thirdly, and I will say it again, http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mario_%26_Sonic_at_the_Rio_2016_Olympic_Games THIS is clearly superior. Follow the link...oh, sorry, SYNTAX...and you'll see. CrashBash (talk) 01:51, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

I have now switched in the link to SNN, as you asked, but RaltsEye is still insistent on including SonicRetro. I'm sorry, but I don't understand why. As I have already explained, the link to the SR page provides absolutely no information whatsoever outside a single (blank) table and an image. If the SR page actually had a good selection of information on it, like that of SNN and indeed this wiki, then I would be perfectly happy to have it linked here. However, as it stands, linking to such an empty page really doesn't achieve anything. I added the link to SNN as a replacement, not an addition. I hope this makes sense. CrashBash (talk) 11:11, 11 April 2016 (EDT)