User talk:Time Turner/Archive 10

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Re:Yoshi's Story
I'm familiar with it - I've had the Nintendo Power guide, and recently got my hands on the Shogakukan one for good measure (I haven't gotten around to adding anything else from it yet, but it'll at least affect the rest of the Shy Guy articles). The Prima guide could have names that the Nintendo Power guide lacks, but from what I can tell, it's from their unlicensed period. I'm not sure what the case for that is since I think they only became authorized by Nintendo shortly afterwards... You might have to ask about using pre-licensing Prima for the wiki. I can definitely help out if it's considered official/useable, though. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:31, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

Sorry to interject myself in this convo, but you stated the Prima YS guide "It bills itself as official".

Doesn't look like it to me? Same "Unauthorized Game Secret" suffix and ghetto but not copyright-infringing artwork. The Prima Games page does say they bundled together several of their "unauthorized game guides" after becoming licensee, but I'm not really comfortable with passing material from *these* guides as official. --Glowsquid (talk) 09:55, 14 August 2017 (EDT)
 * I was aware. The guide bundle is licensed, I guess, but that the material originates from an unofficial guide and doesn't appear to have been notably changed or revised when it was rereleased makes me think twice. Maybe I'm way overthinking this, but I feel there should be some disclaimer about the nature of the book and its original status as unlicensed if we're going to insert those yoshi's story names. --Glowsquid (talk) 11:06, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

So the re-released bundle is officially licensed, but the original guide isn't? We might actually have a similar precedent for this: there are a few citations and [[Media:HowToWin.png|two]] [[Media:AtSuperMarioBros.png|images]] for How to Win at Super Mario Bros., which is the official English translation of Super Mario Brothers Kanzen Koryakubon. Mind, this does predate Nintendo Power, but the Japanese version of the guide is by Tokuma Shoten and not Shogakukan. I could be wrong, but I don't believe Tokuma Shoten were ever an official guidebook licensee -- it's just that Nintendo of America bought the rights for an overseas publication. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Sure, go ahead. I personally think it's fine. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Here's what I gather:

What I'm most curious about is if the Prima guide has names for all the different kinds of Shy Guys, since that's unfortunately lacking in Nintendo Power but right there in Shogakukan. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:50, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Stones refer to Rock Blocks, which come in a breakable blue type and unbreakable beige-ish type.
 * Brown Question Mark Boxes are most likely the floating ? Blocks (called Mystery Blocks or Mystery Boxes in the other guide), which look somewhat similar to the blue Mystery Crates in this game. On that note, the Melon Race is called the "Special Delivery" minigame at one point in the Nintendo Power guide.
 * Bomber Birds sound like Goonies, which can carry bombs.
 * Raindrops are most definitely Do-Drops, with the same taste trait.
 * Bats are ComBats, and the description for them seems about right from what I remember.
 * Eels are Mr. Eels, going by the same generic name that was used on the website.
 * Fish are Cheep Cheeps, which are referred to as such in the Nintendo Power and Shogakukan guides.
 * I might be missing a few, but these are the appearances I'm aware of right now:

The White and Black Shy Guys aren't needed, but in case you want to check, the latter are in 3-3, 6-1, 6-2 & 6-3. There are also nameless Shy Guys that start charging from the background and foreground in 1-1, and ones that hide in trees in 1-2 & 5-4. (Also, minor correction, but Melon Race and Special Delivery are separate activities, and the latter starts by breaking something the Nintendo Power guide calls a flower pot.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:20, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Propeller Shy Guy: 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-2, 2-4, 3-1, 3-2, 3-3, 4-3, 4-4, 5-3, 5-4, 6-1, 6-4
 * Shy Guys on Pogo Sticks: 1-2, 1-3, 4-1, 5-3
 * Stilt Guy: 1-3, 4-1, 5-2, 5-4
 * Snow Guy: 3-3, 3-4
 * Fly Guy: 3-3, 3-4, 5-3
 * Submarine Guy / Sensuikan Heihō: 5-1
 * Bamboo Dancers: 5-3
 * Pirate Guy: 5-4
 * Barbecue Guy / Burner Heihō: 6-4

Just two quick notes

 * When you create Ice Cream (item), be sure to move Ice Cream to and turn Ice Cream into a disambiguation page.
 * When you create Light Bulb (item), be sure to add to Toy Tank so as to guide readers properly.

Thanks for all you do! 11:09, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

RE
Actually, I don't think Spiny is a good contrast. It's fairly obvious that it's way more common for readers to search for the Spiny enemy from the Mario franchise than anything else "Spiny", so that's why it doesn't have the identifier. But in the case of Dictionary, Milk, and Scarf, there's no definite evidence that readers will overwhelmingly search more for the Paper Mario versions of these items than the Mario's Time Machine versions, as all six of these particular items each have only appeared in one game or the other, all are key items, and all are required in some form to beat the respective game.

I have another idea: Why not merge the pairs of articles together, as per the similarities I mentioned? 17:35, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Partners in Time script
That script is woefully incomplete, it lacks everything from the endgame, including Bowser's "What did you feed me?" line, and also spells "Hydrogush" incorrectly. I remember either E. Gadd or one of the Toads saying "Re-toadified" or some variation thereof in the endgame at one point. 18:55, August 17 2017 (CT)

Piranha Bud
Shouldn't you put a delete template on the page now that the proposal has passed? 22:33, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Bee Proposal
's vote reminded me this was still a thing :P I have a question about where the SMG bees will be moved to, as that's not clear in the proposal. Honeybee appears to be the official name, unless there is a more recent name I don't know about. 17:01, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Alright, sounds good. 17:03, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Proposal
Hi, your third voting pool on you recent proposal is off. Shouldn't it be "Option 3: They're both" or something like that? 01:13, 25 August 2017 (EDT) 01:13, 25 August 2017 (EDT)

RE: Coin
Games go back and forth between capitalisations (even ones like Warp Pipe/warp pipe), which I guess explains why it's never consistent on articles. 22:36, 25 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Sure. 22:46, 25 August 2017 (EDT)