MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Separate Wii U audio files from the ones on the GBA (Discuss) Passed.
 * Separate the Nintendo eShop paragraph from the 3DS and Wii U pages (Discuss) Passed.
 * Separate the Mario Bros. stage from the Smash Bros. stage of the same name (Discuss) Passed.
 * Create a Cat Peach (character) article. (Discuss) Deadline: April 21, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Split Bouncing Note from Music Park. (Discuss) Deadline: April 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT.
 * Create a Tanooki Mario (character) article. (Discuss) Deadline: April 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Change name from Snufit Police to Snifit Police. (Discuss) Deadline: April 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Junior (II) to Donkey Kong Jr. Math. (Discuss) Deadline: April 23, 2015 23:59 GMT.
 * Merge Egg Missile with Egg Bomb. (Discuss) Deadline: April 23, 2015 23:59 GMT.
 * Merge Fresh Pasta Bunch with Fresh Pasta. (Discuss) Deadline: April 30, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Move Blue Lava Bubble to Ember. (Discuss) Deadline: April 30, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Determine if Wanda is a or Sprixie. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Piranhacus Giganticus with Big Piranha Plant. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Head Block with ? Block. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Merge White-Green Checkered Block with Jump Block. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Move Boss Bass Super Mario 64 DS info over to Bubba's page or Merge the articles. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT
 * Move Fire Chomp Super Mario 64 DS info over to Kuromame page or Merge the articles. (Discuss) Deadline: May 1, 2015 23:59 GMT

New way to cite YouTube videos
There are many YouTube citations in the wiki that are displayed just like an URL or a "[1]" or something like that. I propose we adopt a way to cite YouTube videos in "References" sections, apart from the external website citation covered by the Citation Policy.

As suggested, it would work as follows:


 * Channel name. (Year, month day of publication). [link to the video using its title]. YouTube. Retrieved [date the reference was added].

Example: "Nintendo. (January 14, 2015). Wii U - Mario Party 10 Trailer. YouTube. Retrieved April 3, 2015."

Proposer: Deadline: April 17, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) - My proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) I guess this will have to do so, yes to that and per all!
 * 4) - Per proposal. More regulation of citations is always desirable, especially now that this suggestion's consistent with the exiting website format.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) This makes sense, so per proposal.
 * 7) No format is better than this one, no matter how hard you try.
 * 8) I like how this makes pages look neater.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) I appreciate new efforts to formalize citation policy. If this passes, I will be happy to help reformat existing youtube citations.

Comments
Good idea to set a specific standard for YouTube videos, and suggesting we include the channel and post date, although for consistency, I think the overall citation should be a bit more in line to our current desired format for websites: "Nintendo. (January 14, 2015). Wii U - Mario Party 10 Trailer. YouTube. Retrieved April 3, 2015." Also, if a video's taken down, it's of no more use to us and needs to be replaced as a citation. If it's region-blocked, that might be worth noting before the retrieval date, although even then, it'd be more ideal to find a reference everyone can see. -


 * OK, thank you. Can I edit the example and change it to yours? -
 * Yes, of course! -
 * Thanks!

If it's taken down, shouldn't we add a notification that the link isn't working anymore rather than remove it? 15:07, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, maybe a template would be a good idea to add, rather than just removing things and replacing them with  - at least that'd show there used to be a concrete reason for why we say what we say. -
 * We probably need that template prior to this proposal since I came across a few dead links in the references, and I didn't want to remove them, but I had no other way of notifying that the link is dead. 16:10, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

What if I don't want to have a channel name displayed as a reference on this wiki? Because I made one reference where I directly recorded the damn thing and it has my name as a channel name in it. 16:06, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I believe it was her real name too... 16:10, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * If you don't want people to be aware of your real name, you probably shouldn't put it in a place where anyone can see it. Besides, they'd see it once they follow the link to the video.
 * Google Plus gave me the account name that I never really wanted in the first place that's how I got it. 17:08, 3 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That's frustrating, but shouldn't you be able to change the channel name? Stuff online seems to say you can... -

If we have dead videos or region-locking issues, we could always abuse the exemptions we have as an encyclopedia to reupload the videos to the official MarioWiki account. -- Ghost Jam 20:46, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Here's my example if it passes: If I want to see the trailer for 200cc in Mario Kart 8, then it will look like this: "Nintendo. (April 1, 2015). Wii U - Mario Kart 8 200cc is Here! Trailer. YouTube. Retrieved April 4, 2015." That will happen! -

Create Template:organization-infobox
I've noticed that pages on organizations or groups either don't use infoboxes, or use Template:species-infobox (Snowmad and Tiki Tak Tribe were the pages I first noticed this on), listing species employed by the organization as sub-species, which looks...odd. Besides, we have infoboxes for other things, like locations, organizations aren't any less important.

Proposer: Deadline: April 23, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Who opposes their own proposal?

Comments
We already have one.--Vommack (talk) 17:18, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * That's for RL companies, so it wouldn't be an even worse fit. Although in all honesty, as long as people aren't stupid and only use the "first/latest appearances" and "notable members" headers and not the ones that make no sense, works fine. But I also suppose a different template wouldn't hurt, seeing as we also have, ,  and even , among others. But what exactly do you (Binarystep) want as the new template? It's not good enough to just ask us to approve something without even a vague clue about what you have in mind. -  17:23, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Oh. Yeah, that makes more sense than what I was thinking. The species infobox still work alright though.--Vommack (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Maybe we should use the same template as the one which is used by the Koopalings for the Tiki Tak Tribe, but for the snowmad, I'm not sure...-- 17:27, 16 April 2015 (EDT)

I'm not good enough at HTML to make an example, but here are the parameters I'd want it to have:


 * leader - the character in charge of the organization (e.g. Bowser for Koopa Troop)
 * members - notable characters employed by the organization (e.g. Bashmaster for Snowmads)
 * employed_species (probably needs a better name) - species frequently employed by the organization (e.g. the various Tikis for the Tiki Tak Tribe)
 * first_appearance - self-explanatory
 * latest_appearance - self-explanatory

Binarystep (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2015 (EDT)


 * "member_species" might be a better name. Also, for "leader", what happens if leadership changes over the course of a game or going from backstory to a game? And I don't mean things like Bowser getting temporarily usurped but getting back control of the Koopa Troop by the end - more like odd situations like the Shroobs where Princess Shroob was more of an interim leader for the majority of the game, or coups that actually stick. Would both leaders get listed, with parenthesis saying "(first)"/"(former)"/"(current)"/"interim", etc.? And in which case, should that header perhaps read "leader(s)" (but still be coded "leader" for simplicity)? -
 * Either list the most recent leader only, or list multiple ones with brackets to clarify. Binarystep (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2015 (EDT)

Removals
None at the moment.

Merge post-Special Zone enemies or Split Goomba (SMW:SMA2) and Pokey (SMW:SMA2)
It seems a little incongruous that the Super Mario World enemy skins are split but the Super Mario Advance 2-exclusive ones are not. At the same time, besides the alternate names in the SNES version, there isn't any real sign to consider these different enemies. I think the case for merging is stronger, but I'll leave the option to instead split the rest of them.

Proposer: Deadline: April 24, 2015 (23:59 GMT)

Merge post-Special Zone enemies to original enemy articles

 * 1) It was always an aesthetic difference to begin with, and merging eliminates at least one conjectural-titled article.
 * 2) It's true that some sources individualize them, namely the SMW credits and the Mario Mania guide, but these are nothing more than reskins. There are absolutely no differences between them besides the way they look. Also, if them being recognized as individual enemies is what we use as our justification, that'd be quite a slippery slope to follow, considering other enemies that are also individually recognized (case in point, the Green/Red Koopas).

Comments
Exactly how many articles are being affected here? Merging a lot of uniquely-titled and different-looking things could potentially lose us search traffic... And please provide links, instead of expecting everyone to run around searching for the relevant pages and sections themselves: it's literally part of Rule 1 at the top of the page. -
 * I don't think the search traffic argument holds water in this case. People aren't googling en-masse for obscure enemies sprite-swaps featured in one game, and if they do, they're very likely to have heard of the wiki through other means. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:36, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * @Time Turner - Mario Mania is kind of vague about it, although it does imply that a bit with the "A New Cast" heading at the end.
 * @Walkazo - If we go with the first option, the following articles are affected: Jumping Pumpkin Plant, Pidgit Bill, Mask Koopa, and Para Mask Koopa (the latter being the conjectural one I mentioned). If we go with the second option, it will keep these pages split and also add the enemies changed in the Game Boy Advance port - the sunglasses "Goomba" (as it was called) and its derivatives, and the stone-like Pokey. The third option, which I've mistakenly left out before, just keeps everything the way it is. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2015 (EDT)

Staying neutral for now... On one hand, they look different and are officially named. On the other hand, the guide that named them is the same guide that acted like every behavior of Chargin' Chuck was its own species. If these are going to be merged, shouldn't the different types of Boo Buddies (except Block, as it does something other than move differently) be merged as well? Binarystep (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
 * Chargin' Chucks and Boo Buddies could also probably be addressed at some point as they might be considered another example of incongruity, but this proposal is specifically about the enemies whose graphics change by completing the Funky course, not including ones given separate identification in guide material. It's not quite the same thing, especially since Chargin' Chucks and Boo Buddies have different interactions with the player. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2015 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.