MarioWiki:Proposals

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Classify Sonic Lost World as a guest appearance
Sonic Lost World for Wii U has a special Yoshi's Island Zone (released December 18, 2013), a playable zone where Sonic fights Piranha Plants and Shy Guys, as well as interacts with objects from the Yoshi series such as Egg Block.

Proposer: Deadline: January 13, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Wait, this wasn't already a guest appearance? Per proposal
 * 2) Per proposal. Sonic Lost World isn't a Mario game so it would be a guest appearance.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) per all
 * 5) Per all. Yoshi's Island is part of the Mario franchise, so this DLC should be covered in some way.
 * 6) Yeah, the worry about the distinction between covering the game itself and its DLC is just hair-splitting. It's better we have a page entitled Sonic Lost World than Sonic Lost World DLC. Super Mario content wasn't there on Minecraft initially; we don't make a page called "Super Mario Mash-up" and have Minecraft redirect to that.
 * 1) Yeah, the worry about the distinction between covering the game itself and its DLC is just hair-splitting. It's better we have a page entitled Sonic Lost World than Sonic Lost World DLC. Super Mario content wasn't there on Minecraft initially; we don't make a page called "Super Mario Mash-up" and have Minecraft redirect to that.

Oppose

 * 1) It isn't included in any version of the base game, so I don't think the game itself is worth being covered, but I wouldn't oppose giving the "Yoshi's Island Zone" DLC a full article instead.

Comments
, how would giving a free update (not paid DLC) the title of guest appearance work? Spectrogram (talk) 01:44, January 7, 2023 (EST)
 * It doesn't really make a difference if the content is free or paid. Sooner or later, like the Wii servers, the Wii U servers will shut down. Necessarily, as the content remains exclusive to the Wii U version, it will become far less accessible to the average person in the aftermarket. And for people who lose the data they already downloaded on their console, it becomes lost permanently unless they homebrew. If Yoshi's Island Zone was included in the physical "Deadly Six Edition" release, I'd support it, but it wasn't a day-one addition to the game. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:57, January 7, 2023 (EST)
 * Why should it matter if it's an update or a release feature? I don't get it. It's an official part of the game either way. Spectrogram (talk) 10:44, January 7, 2023 (EST)
 * I don't see how the transience of digital media is relevant at all, and covering only the update itself would be inconsistent with how the wiki conveys info on other console-exclusive, downloadable Mario content in non-Mario media, such as Minecraft's Mario Mash-up pack. 11:39, January 7, 2023 (EST)
 * That's precisely why wiki coverage shouldn't extend to the game - in the long run, more and more people who play the Wii U version will simply not be aware that there ever was a Yoshi's (New) Island tie-in, and if anything, new players are likelier to experience it as a niche mod for the PC version. The game itself isn't/wasn't sold to feature a Yoshi-franchise guest appearance. Covering Yoshi's Island Zone as an article independent of its game wouldn't be inconsistent with this proposal (which in fairness, hasn't been fully implemented yet, but that's partly due to the proposer). For that matter, although most of the article covers the Super Mario Mash-Up pack, I would say Minecraft barely applies for its own article because at least it had Mario-franchise references long before its Nintendo ports - Sonic Lost World on its own has zero Mario references. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:25, January 7, 2023 (EST)
 * There is currenty no other option: either the whole game is a guest appearance or it's not. You can always make a proposal if you wish to add a new option for some games. Spectrogram (talk) 12:54, January 7, 2023 (EST)

Merging non-Mario Subspace Emissary and Adventure Mode stages
Previous proposal attempted to merge all Smash Bros. series stages into one collective article. The main arguements against merge were that the list would be too huge, that some of these stages were already merged with either enemies or objects, and that stages are a major enough gameplay element to keep split.

One major part of this proposal, which has failed to reach consensus, was merging only Subspace Emissary and/or Adventure Mode stages. They seem very out of place on the Mario Wiki, so I propose to merge them too, like what we did with items, moves, and objects.

Leave a comment if you disagree with some entries in the list, so I can remove them from this proposal. They can always be dealt with individually at some point in the future.

If this proposal passes, the following stages will be merged (not deleted) into a collective article:

List of Subspace Emissary stages

 * Battleship Halberd Bridge
 * Battleship Halberd Exterior
 * Battleship Halberd Interior
 * Entrance to Subspace
 * The Forest
 * Midair Stadium
 * Outside the Ancient Ruins
 * The Plain
 * Sea of Clouds
 * Subspace (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)
 * The Battlefield Fortress
 * The Canyon
 * The Glacial Peak
 * The Great Maze
 * The Lake Shore
 * The Path to the Ruins
 * The Research Facility
 * The Ruined Hall
 * The Ruined Zoo
 * The Ruins
 * The Subspace Bomb Factory
 * The Wilds
 * World of Trophies
 * Isle of Ancients

Merge with Melee's section of Adventure Mode

 * Underground Maze
 * F-Zero Grand Prix

Excluded entries
The following entries will not be merged: Proposer: Deadline: January 20, 2023, 23:59 GMT
 * The Jungle - a stage that takes everything from the Donkey Kong series
 * The Cave - the majority of enemies come from the Mario series
 * The Lake - per Doc von Schmeltwick's comment.
 * The Swamp - the majority of enemies come from the Mario series
 * Mushroom Kingdom (Adventure Mode) - to be created, no idea how it was missed.

Merge

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) I still feel like this wiki is being horribly inconsistent by only merging some non-Mario aspects into lists and leaving some non-Mario aspects separate, and would prefer either all the non-Mario stages to be merged or split instead of picking and choosing whatever we want, but this is fine for now.
 * 4) Per my position on the previous proposal.
 * 5) Smorg small.png Merge!!!

Comment
The Lake should also be excluded for the same reasons. It's Mario enemies and DK music. Path to the Ruins also is Mario-themed in music. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:30, January 14, 2023 (EST)
 * I've excluded The Lake, but not Path to the Ruins, because it features little to no Mario elements. Spectrogram (talk) 13:39, January 14, 2023 (EST)

Make changes on Yoshi franchise articles
I want to support some changes on the Yoshi franchise articles. The article about the series of Yoshi platformers could be too excessive and could be deleted and merged into the article about the Yoshi's Island series to classify Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3, Balloon Trip, Yoshi Touch & Go, Yoshi's Island DS, and Yoshi's New Island as direct installments in the Yoshi's Island series and Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Demo, the Purple Yoshi tech demo, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, Yoshi's Woolly World, Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World, and Yoshi's Crafted World as indirect games of the Yoshi's Island series. For example, Yoshi's Story's working title was Yoshi's Island 64, and the early logo looks similar to the SNES game Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island logo, implying that Yoshi's Story was originally planned as a sequel to said game and would have been a direct title in the Yoshi's Island series. Another example says that third-party company Game Informer calls Yoshi's Woolly World an indirect title in the Yoshi's Island series, stating that the game is "the best Yoshi's Island since the original Super Nintendo title". In addition to this change, the page about the Yoshi puzzle games could be moved to "Yoshi (series)". For example, Tetris Attack could be a spin-off of the Yoshi series of puzzle games.

Proposer: Deadline: January 7, 2023, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 14, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal

Oppose

 * 1) I think a better idea would be to just merge the Yoshi platform series article with the main Yoshi series article since the 'platform series' is so vaguely defined. Also, moving the puzzle series to 'Yoshi (series)' is a bad idea because that's easily confused with 'Yoshi (franchise)', and I'm not sure why you brought up GameInformer since they aren't an official source.

Comments
This proposal really needs more options; primarily to be able to support one or the other rather than only all at once. 20:43, December 31, 2022 (EST)
 * I also doubt the proposal format is appropriate for this. 21:30, December 31, 2022 (EST)

You should probably have a project page to show how this would look if passed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:13, January 11, 2023 (EST)