Talk:Super Paper Mario

A "Religon" in Super Paper Mario
After you read this, please do not insult my beliefs or what I said, this is what I feel, and I want to see if anyone else agrees.

I know it is just a game, but it seems that the new Paper Mario game seems to introduce somewhat of a religon into the Mario universe. Of the many reasons that keep me from playing it, i.e. Peach marrying Bowser, this is the one that troubles me the most. After research through this site and others, I have come to conclude that this is a very dark game filled with romance, prophesy, and other sinister elements. As a strong Christian, I feel that some of the key elements in the story are a little anti-religous to my faith. The "chosen one", the Dark Prophecy book, the revenge of that Bleck guy (in which he destroys his own species), the reincarnation of the same character, and the entire reason Mario is fighting for, makes me feel very uneasy and worried. As I can recall, Pokemon went the same direction, complete with a starting myth similer to the Creation described in the Bible, right down to "in the beginning..."! Pokemon's newest game, Diamond and Pearl, have completely destroyed all of my enjoyment in the series. Now, Mario threatens to do the same thing. I have loved Mario since I was four years old, and I simply do not want to give up my enjoyment of one of the greatest franchises the world has ever seen. Can anyone explain why so many great game series have taken such a dark path? Is it because the public demands dark games with a religon of its own? I can remember the days when game universes did not need an explanation of how they came to be, when kindness and good behavior represented the forces of good, and the evil was not as "bad" as they are now. Just look at Bowser; he actually has a hint of mercy and kindness, compared to the much more evil creatures of today. To me, this story of revenge, prophecy, the chosen one, and the ultimate defeat in love seem like they were pulled directly out of an anime series. This so-called "children's game" has implications, themes, and a plot similar to the Second Coming of Christ (Revelation), complete with Heaven and its opposite, as well as a foretold prophecy, doomsday/apocalypse, and the ultimate victory of good. Even though this game has a happy ending, I still really dislike it. If it was up to me, this game would have had an ESRB rating of T. Just think about it. If I played Mario since I was four, imagine what the young children intereasted in Mario today would see. To sum it up, Mario is not the same loveable game series as it used to be... TurtleShroom! :) †Jesus Loves You and Died for you!† 19:46, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * While the plot elements may be cliche, I do not think any dark themes are forecast by it, nor that Nintendo wished to drive in that direction. And gamers are demanding believable and complex story plots for these big games, now that technology has made it all possible. In the 90s, it was just good & evil because just playing the game was fun, the story didn't matter. In these Paper Mario games, a good story keeps the player interested in an otherwise truly-2D game. However, the storys are just supposed to keep the game together – collect it all into a sensible purpose for the whole experience. You shouldn't take this as such as seriously as you are, and while maybe E10+ might have been appropriate for this game more, certainly not T – no blood violence or sex mentioned. 20:03, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Pretty much what Wayoshi said; while the "Mario goes off to save a kingdom and a damsel" plot was good early on, now that technology has improved, people want more than that (complex plots and twists, sub-plots, more threatening villains, etc). Nintendo pretty much has no choice but to give the public what they want (but not make it themselves apparently, they have other developers do it for them, like Intelligent Systems, creator of the Paper Marios and Fire Emblems). -- Sir Grodus 20:18, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * I understand your point, but I am not against a good story, just the details. When the origanel Paper Mario came out, the "star granting wishes" beginning never bothered me, despite the fact that when the characters make a wish, it looks like they are praying. That is not what I mean. I mean what this one has gone to. Yes, the Mario universe had a beginning, but I would have better enjoyed something to the lines of the stars made their world, and leave it that, not this whole "prophecy" thing. As a religous person, I believe phrophecy should stay in religous texts like the Bible. Still, I think what you said is true. I just miss the villans who had a heart every once and a while.

TurtleShroom! :) †Jesus Loves You and Died for you!† 20:08, 10 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's just a game! In response to your statement about Pokémon, the book in the Canalave Library explains the supposed creation of the Pokémon universe. It has nothing to do with our universe, and it in no way contradicts the Bible. Pixl 08:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Sigh...
Super Paper Mario is still for the GameCube! At least, that's what ALL the game sites I've been to say. Should we wait awhile for a confirmation, or go ahead and add it to the Cube games section?!? 3dejong
 * Nintendo may or may not have updated its site to reflect a change to the Wii. I'd wait for a confirmation. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/24/Wayoshisig.png 15:55, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

Mummy?
From the picture in Nintendo power i wouldnt say that he is a mummy but rather a ninja type fellow with a white face and wierd arms.--Widkid85 18:19, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

New Story Info
Read if you're a PM fan like me! 22:33, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
 * WHOO! BEST ARTICLE YET!

Wayoshi, don't post stuff like this, you know that... You didn't post it to help further the wiki.... That's not very Gavin-like.

Preorders?
Anybody preordered this game? I preordered it yesterday, and can't wait to have it. Just a curiosity question. --General Kelty 23:30, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

New video good quality video!
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=18201

Check it out!

And with that, poof, I'm gone! --Bentendo 18:02, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

enemy section?
im thinking that someone should add an enemy section to the super paper mario article.........cuz i know ALOT of enemies from the videos like the jawbus, squiglets, and gromebas NintendoFan 20:46, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Jester-like creature: enemy or boss?
I saw on http://www.gamesradar.com/us/wii/game/reviews/article.jsp?articleId=20070330102557989000&sectionId=1000&pageId=20070330103441328028 (in a video) that there is a place with very many Jester-like creatures (Like the Dull Bones and Smorgs). Thus they are enemies. And I saw on the official japanese site in the story that there is only one.


 * I'm pretty sure he's a boss, especially if his name really is Dimentio (someone posted the boss list on GameFAQs). The hundreds and hundreds of him is probably just a move he does in the game. UrsulaBoi 13:29, 7 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Either way, all we have to do is wait a couple of days and we'll find out. No need to rush information when it is so close to our fingers.--General Kelty 17:48, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I saw a boss battle against him in the Gamespot marathon yesterday. He does in fact create illusions of himself. 18:01, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Ownership
Who (managed) to get this game today? Max2 14:15, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm so bummed. They were sold out. I should have preordered it. =[

I wanted it, but even without it, we can make the articles present tense.

I was asking so someone who HAS it could add more info.

I got it today, I'm on chapter 2. :) I'll try to add more info to character profiles and such (already made Mimi and King Croacus). UrsulaBoi 18:03, 10 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I've had it since yesterday; I'll start contributing after I've played more of it. --General Kelty 22:56, 10 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Got it today. On Chapter 3.

Gonna get it tommorow. 22:53, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Players guide
Does someone have the PG? I can't get it 'cause I live in the Netherlands. You can pre-order it at http://www.nintendopower.com.FH

I just pre-ordered it at ebay, I think i will get it within 2 weeks. FH


 * I have it. Silent but deadly! SuperLuigi821 You lost everything. Way to go genious.


 * Great! Scan the picture in it of Queen Jaydes!  I would, but I'm overly protective of mine...  Got mine the day after SPM came out. ^_^ Didn't use it until I beat the game, though.


 * Sigh...if my scanner was working...BTW the picture of Jaydes in Page 96 would come out TOO JPGish. Maybe there's a picture of her somewhere on the net. I may be wrong. Silent but deadly! SuperLuigi821 You lost everything. Way to go genious.


 * Drat, I was afraid of that... Hopefully.  Not much appears to be updated with SPM art, though...  Maybe if there is art of Queen Jaydes, there may be art of King Grambi?  Wasn't in the guide, but there's a chance...--Dreyfus2006 14:19, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Beaten
I'm sure I'm not the first person, but now at least I can answer questions for you guys.


 * Does Yoshi ever appear in the game.


 * I think I beat the game two weeks ago or something. But no, with the exception of a Catch Card Yoshi makes no appearance whatsoever (and that Catch Card is just the Yoshi Kid).  Otherwise, there isn't even a cameo.--Dreyfus2006 23:09, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Could you add information to Soccer Brother ?

Gofer

When editing about this game be sure to mark your spoilers carefully. 16:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Yoshi doesn't appear in the game, but a rock that looks like him does, and references to Yoshi's Island are made in the Sammer Kingdom.

I saw that in the Player's Guide. Also a Yoshi kid card can be catched and Yoshi Kid dolls appear.

Meowmaids and Meowbombs
I can't find a picture of meowmaids (the others were actually meowbombs, not meowmaids), can someone tell me a good site for game screenshots?

Good resource for Paper Mario item pics
I found a place with pics of all of the items in the Paper Mario games. If you want to see go here (most are from Paper Mario one and two, )

I'll just point out that Badges uses these images from both PM games. 19:57, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Complete Item List
Since the item list was missing most of the items, I have added everything except for the Recipes. ~ LordKenny

Audience
Ha ha, very funny. The Audience appeared in ttyd to, ya know.


 * The article would be split of course Isyou. ;) -- Son of Suns

Oh... never thought of that. Good point, I guess...

Even still, I find that it merits its own article. A Link to the Past has been acting very "funny", though.

he is just very strict that things be perfect around here.

Guys, he does have valid points. You don't have to agree with them, but he is working to make the wiki better. -- Son of Suns
 * It's a game mechanic. If it's separate, TTYD won't be featured because the content is not included. If you basically have the audience mentioned in both the Audience article and the TTYD article, then it's duplicate content and there is no point in having an article. - A Link to the Past 22:34, 7 May 2007 (EDT)


 * I think The Audience article should remain seperate, for it's own sake. - Smashgoom202 15:04, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
 * This is exactly what I talk about when I say "separating articles makes two inferior articles, while keeping them together makes one greater article". And in this case, the Audience is just a gameplay feature of these two games, and separating them just damages the more important articles. - A Link to the Past 15:21, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Hey, guys. I just want to say that the audience had nothing to do with the gameplay of Super Paper Mario. They just came whenever the players did stylish moves. Nothing else. No helping, no hindering. They were only paper cut-outs anyway! Oh, and by the way, I have another topic on the "Whose Better..." section of my userpage, in case anyone's interested.

They increased the amount of points you gained in Super paper Mario, I call that affecting gameplay. -- Sir Grodus

Arcade Mini-Games
Shouldn't there be a section that mentions the Arcade Mini Games you can play in this game? 20:23, 3 June 2007 (EDT) PS, I found a pic of the Arcade in SPM.
 * That sounds good.

Ok.

Glitch
Why did this show up on the list of uncategorized pages?
 * I think I fixed it, all I did was eliminate the spaces...
 * Nice job GG, its off the list.

Wedding Scene script
Does anyone know where I can find a script for the wedding scene? Thanks--YOSHIANDLINK1 09:52, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Chapter 7: Too many religous refrences
The problem I found on many pages of this article were mentioning Hell and other religous things. Bonechill's Triva says something about a passage in the Bible, and this is a family friendly site. I don't think religon should be included, minus Greek myths. On The Underwhere, someone said that it was like Hell. This is not true, because you when you die in the game you go there no matter what, even if you have been good. Hell is only for bad people. There is no evidence in the game you go to The Overthere for being good. I think these should be removed, or at least replaced. We don't need serious topics like religon on this site.

And before you ask, I am Catholic.