MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code (~).

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
 * 10) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM"
 * 11) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 28 2024 (EDT)

New Features
None at the moment.

LOLCats
While looking at some User Pages I have noticed large chunks of images from the site ilovemiaow.com. These seem to be massive space-wasters. has a entire page of them, has a big chunk of them and  has inserted a LOT of extra   's on User:Plumber/Pignature just so he can insert a LOLCat GIF at the bottom. So, should we get rid of them?

Proposer: Deadline: March 8, 2008, 20:00

Remove

 * 1) -Per my speech above.

Keep

 * 1) -Dude, it's an external link! If you block that you'll have to block other external links, which means people will have to upload everything here. That would be even worse. Plus, it's their userpage, they can do what they want.
 * 2) Per Purple Yoshi. You can do what you want with your Userpage, unless it breaks the rules, and having an incredibly large Userpage isn't against the rules. Its just annoying. Heh, just kidding.
 * 3) - Per all.
 * 4) - Per everyone. No one forces you to go on Userpages, they aren't article or something.
 * 5) Per all. Plus, Plumber and Sadaharu are mostly retired now, so they are kinda bad examples.
 * 6) Getting rid of the LOLCats wouldn't make sense. Like PY said, you'd have to get rid of all external links by getting rid of LOLCats; why? Because it would be discriminatory against that particular site and it's harmless images. Youtube, Photobucket, Picoodle, and others would have to go too, which would anger a lot of users, because that's a form of taking away people's rights. Not only that, the citing reference may fall into that "banning" category too, since their external links that can lead to other things that you may find offensive...blah blah blah. There's no point in taking away something that a lot of users enjoy and get kicks out of because "it takes up space". That right there is only half true: The images take up a lot of physical space on the page's face, but it takes up only a few lines in syntax to insert the images. Just because it takes longer to load a page, doesn't necessarily make it bigger. My page is almost 75KB long, but there's very few images on the page; it's mostly text and what few images I do have are small in size and take up one line in syntax. So, in other words, leave it be.
 * 7) Per all
 * 8) Per Stooben Rooben, and everyone else.
 * 9) Per all of the above.  Besides, the LOLcats are my favorite form of comedey on this wiki.  I first found out about them from Reasonably Clever webcomic.

Birdo
This Wiki features articles for both Toad the character and Toad the species. The same applies to Yoshi. In light of this, the topic came up on Talk:Birdo regarding whether the Birdo article should be split in the same manner. A proposal appeared there before the creation of MarioWiki:Proposals, died, and was brought back. I'd like to bring it here so that it is official.

What it comes down to is this: is there ample evidence to conclude that a character named "Birdo" exists in the Super Mario series? For Toad and Yoshi, the policy has been that when a game, TV show, or otherwise specificially refers to a character by name, it constituted mention in the character article. (ie. "Bowser kidnapped Peach and Toad," rather than simply "Bowser kidnapped Peach and a Toad,").

Proposer: Deadline: March 8, 2008, 20:00

Support (Split)

 * 1) Birdo was introduced as a single character in instruction manual of Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA).  In the remake, she is still referred to as a single character.  Additionally, comments such as, "I'm ready for you THIS time!" imply there is still one single Birdo.  The existance of Birdo as a species is an invention of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! that came to the games in Mario Power Tennis.  Even with this developement, Birdo has been given the more distinction from generic Birdos in each appearance following Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (the ring).  Even Toad and Yoshi don't have a distinction in these titles.
 * 2) Per Stumpers, I agree 100%.
 * 3) Per All.
 * 4) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 5) Per above. Yoshi and Toad have been split into separate articles of the character, and their species (even though they're hard to define from their species as Stumpers said). Even though Birdo (character) is seen more than her particular species, she needs to be split to define the differences. Even Mario (who is a human character) has been split from his species. Even if Birdo (species) would be a very short and limited article, it wouldn't be classified as a stub because it would contain all the known information about the species.
 * 6) Per all
 * 7)  Makes sense to me. Per all.
 * 8) Princess Grapes Butterfly Per Stumper. He right we should split each page by species.
 * 9) GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · [[Image:Koopa.gif]] Per all.
 * 10) Per all HyperToad Even though I'm a bit uneasy about the leagth of a specics article, we'll be able to work it out.
 * 11) Per all

Comments
Comment 1 So, uh, are we voting on wether or not to split the Birdo page into Birdo (character) and Birdo (species)?
 * When the proposal wins, the character should stay at Birdo, and only the species moved to a different article with a note in brackets. - 06:20, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * My basic question was, are we voting on wether to make an article on the species or not...
 * Yes.  10:19, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * I'm a little confused: If I support, am I saying I think Birdo should be split into Birdo and Birdo (species)?
 * Yes. But, if you have other ideas for the page names, let us know.  14:59, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Commment 2 What I said on Birdo's talk page is that the birdos in Super Mario Bros. 2 are bad, and the Birdos in the sports and party games are good. I think the most logical explaination is that the ones in the sports and party games are the same, but not the ones in SMB2. Either way it's fine, but if it does get split, there should at least be some mention that they sports and party birdo might not be the same as the SMB2 birdo, for the reason that one fights Mario and friends and one is close with Yoshi.
 * I don't want to jump to that conclusion, because SMB2 did refer to all pink, bow-wearing bosses as "Birdo" singular, and SMA, rather than overwrite this, only cemented this further. I would be glad to accept your view if you can take a look in the GCN instruction booklets and find maybe a biography for Birdo that proves me wrong.  10:19, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * Well, right now the "split article" side is winning, so it'll probably get split. That's fine with me, but can the character article at least mention that there's a possibility the two birdos aren't one? There's no proof they're the same, and most Mario characters aren't like that, sometimes good and sometimes bad (On the other hand, Donkey Kong is kinda like that, but still.) 19:00, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * I was thinking about this, an I'm pretty sure saying that in the article would be POV. We have a character Nintendo named Birdo from SMB2 (USA) and a character Nintendo named Birdo from the spin-offs.  If we do what you suggest, for consistency we would have to note that the Mario from Donkey Kong Circus may be different because he is bad in that game (exploiting DK before DK ever did anything wrong).  The thing you're seeing is called character growth in other fictional universes.  Until we see a good character named Birdo and a bad character named Birdo lined up next to each other, I don't feel right putting that in the article.  14:59, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I guess you're right, but I'm still not going to vote for either side.

Comment 3 The one thing I'm afraid about is that the species article may be a stub. I'm not sure if it will be, but what are everyone else's thoughts?
 * If we expand on appearances in other media, it would be less of one. It's a good point, though: how about I try writing an abridged version or something?  15:43, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think it'd be a stub. Birdos that aren't the Birdo appear in lots of sports games (for example, Super Mario Strikers and Mario Superstar Baseball). Inclide Birdo biology (egg shooting) and there'll be more than enough for a uncontestable article. - Walkazo
 * Well, one thing that could make the species article longer (if it were to be noted) is that Birdos come in different colors in SMB2 and SMA. Though these Birdos act the same (are evil and want to stop Mario), they are different colors and have different powers. The pink Birdo shoots eggs, the red Birdo shoots eggs and fireballs, and the green Birdo shoots just fireballs. Would this be noted as separate sections of the Species article, or would they be separate articles themselves (like the Yoshis are). I would tend to think that they would all be part of the species article since they're not officially named, but they appear slightly different.
 * Alright, all this makes sense. I added my vote.
 * I wouldn't split those articles like the Yoshi ones, just because they haven't played as big of a role. Oh, and also, we know Birdo (character) can change colors... I think. (SMB2?)  21:30, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * How exactly do we know what Bridos were or weren't the Birdo? HyperToad Most of it would be speculation, or it would be a stub.
 * The same way we determine which Yoshies and Toads aren't the Yoshi or Toad: you see how they are referred to both in game and in the instruction manual. It's actually pretty clear whether a character is called Birdo (Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Super Mario Advance), instead of just being a member of the species (Mario Power Tennis).  18:15, 3 March 2008 (EST)

All right, you guys needn't worry about length: writing just one section of the history (based on the Super Show episode, "Toad Warriors," and the intro, its already 1837 characters long, not including species infobox. 21:04, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * Way to go, Stumpers! It seems like there's nothing to worry about now!

Changes
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Miscellaneous
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