MarioWiki:Proposals

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Create articles for the assist trophy characters
With the influx of SSB4 articles coming in, it needs to be decided now more than ever what to do with the Assist Trophy article. There are a lot of new assist trophies in the newest installment, and that's resulting in more names being added to the ever-growing list. It's gotten to the point where having a list covering all of them simply isn't enough. There are so many avenues of information that could be covered: relevant information on their original seires, their trophy and sticker descriptions, more detailed explanations of their abilities and interactions in fights (especially when some of the new ones basically act as CPU fighters)... These are all things that could easily be done if they were given separate articles. Besides that, there's one thing I'd like to mention.

To put it succinctly, we're giving articles to nearly every other character in the Smash series: the Adventure Mode enemies like Topis and Like Likes, the Subspace Emissary enemies like Mizzos and Floows, the Smash Run enemies like Cuccos and Darknuts, and pretty much every boss that isn't "this character +1 height" (Duon, Giga Bowser, Yellow Devil, etc). They range from being mindless with a single attack to requiring strategies to dodge around their attacks. The assist trophies, on the other hand, encompass all of that and have the added bonus of being items. If we're going by wiki standard, that's two reasons in one why they should have articles.

Judging by the archive of proposals, there's always been a... worry, for lack of a decent word, about covering Smash Bros. articles. There have been proposals to merge and remove and split and delete, all with varying results and decisions, but all arriving to the generally same conclusion: we should cover the Smash series, but within reason. With that said, our standards for what is "within reason" change. There are two proposals up there for not having articles for the Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary enemies (that have passed, mind you), and yet, there have been recent proposals overriding them. What we can accept for articles has changed, and having articles for the assist trophies is definitely something that we could accept.

Proposer: Deadline: October 18, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Create the articles

 * 1) I support my proposal..
 * 2) Per proposal. I know we have SmashWiki and stuff, but all those elements appeared at least once in the Mario series: because of this, they need coverage. What about items then? I remember when I linked the page to another wiki to not display a red link, but got changed because there was need of a page. Why items get this nice treatment and Assist Trophies not? Having info about them is good, especially because some of them may have got a strange behavior (I didn't understand Kawashima at all). Also, per policy, thus Walkazo and Yoshi876 in the comments, plus Time Turner.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Finally. Yeah. I want this since they appear in mario game, and I don't care how minor they are. Many, like Mother Brain, already recieved mentions in mario series, like samus's qoute from SMRPG and Woster's list of people who think mushroom king is idiot. So this is good idea.
 * 5) Per Proposal.
 * 6) Per proposal.
 * 7) Per Proposal.

Comments
Then what about Pokémon? They should be treated the same way as the Assist Trophy characters. Aokage (talk) 14:38, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
 * The Assist Trophies alone are a huge step, after many proposals have tussled about it. We'll start off here and then, depending on how this goes, we can move on to the Pokemon.
 * I highly dunno: however, I still think they should get the same treatment of everthing else.

How about special moves? How are we going to deal with the currently spotty coverage of it? 15:17, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
 * One major issue about a crossover series that's been argued about for years at a time, please.
 * This is SmashWiki stuff in my opinion. Unless we don't merge it with MarioWiki (very likely it will never happen) we should have the basic coverage about it and lead to SmashWiki.

This is something I can't decide on. I won't vote (for now) but I'm curious to see how this ends.


 * What other NIWA wikis cover doesn't really matter: all our DK info's also being covered by the DK Wiki, but that doesn't mean we should chop it out of our coverage. In fact, according to our coverage policy:
 * "even series that can stand alone as their own series (i.e. SSB) are considered to be partner series of the Mario games. Therefore, all these crossovers are given full coverage: everything appearing in the games gets articles."
 * Bolded for emphasis to show that, technically, the Assist trophies already could (should?) be given pages within the wiki's official coverage scope. We just haven't gotten around to it yet for one reason or another, but now's as good a time as ever to address the issue, and doing it by proposal is the best way to make a solid decision on it given the back-and-forth history we've had with our SSB content. -
 * Again, another subject, but what about something more abstract, like special moves? 18:41, 12 October 2014 (EDT)
 * What did we do with moves? If we start making moves articles, we should make some for knockback, shield... doing so means we would include everything in SmashWiki. And SmashWiki's method to explain things is different from ours: SmashWiki really looks like a straegy guide, while MarioWiki is againist looking like a guide. I find good what we're doing already: give some coverage on the moves and giving the main link to SmashWiki.

What would be the point of this? Are we giving any other real information other than who they are and what they do in the game? - 01:26, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
 * Looks like not making them is breaking policy. This is the point of making them: they appear in Mario media, and we must cover them. Those info are enough.
 * But what he's saying is that they're very minor. Just saying "Oh, they appear in games that prominently enough feature Mario, so let's make an article" isn't good enough.
 * And? Certain enemies in the Mario series are minor, should we delete them? No, policy states that the Super Smash Bros. series gets full coverage, which would mean making articles for things relevant to it, like the Assist Trophies.
 * I'm... not exactly sure what part of this you're questioning. I already gave plenty of examples about what could be included in their articles, and they'd follow the standard used for nearly every other Smash-centric character, which I also mentioned. Who they are and what they do is also the kind of information we would include in any other article, regardless of who the character is, so... help me out here, Ninelevendo.
 * @BabyLuigi64 Minor? Wait, what? They're not minor at all. The only circumstance where something is minor enough to not deserve an article is a beta SMS enemy: it never appeared anywhere but in a beta. In my opinion, everything that has a relevance higher than never appeared/not-Mario element that only made 1-3 cameos deserves an article: basically, everyone ever appeared prominently enough in a Mario game. Assist Throphies are prominent enough, or I'm totally wrong?
 * What I mean is, these are trophies that you pick up, throw, and then summon some random who-knows-what that attacks for a few seconds, and then vanishes. How isn't it? These also aren't enemies (in many cases, they're not items (they spawn from). They're minor for Smash Bros. at least to me.
 * That's the definition of at least half of the wiki's items and special moves (hyperbole, but it's not far off), and no matter how obscure the character itself may be, and most of them are certainly not, and no matter how much of an actual enemy they still are, they are still there, doing things, and because they have a presence and they do things, they deserve articles. Look at the NPCs frolicking around in Flipside like Harold or Puck. These guys do absolutely nothing but act as background, scenery so that the player doesn't think the area looks bare. Yet, they have names, so they have articles. Here, the assist trophies are individually collected and activated, all have varied and practical uses, and all make a difference in the fight. Yet, we don't have articles for them. Even in the grand scheme of Smash Bros., they are certainly not minor, and I could point you to a thousand examples of what is truly minor.

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