User talk:Time Turner

Hello to you all, I'm Time Turner, and before you leave a comment, I'd appreciate it if you could read the rules below.


 * 1) Sign all of your comments so I know who left it.
 * 2) I prefer proper spelling and grammar, but feel free to use whatever you're comfortable with.
 * 3) I will reply to you on your talk page.
 * 4) Whenever starting a new conversation, put it under a new header.

Retconning controversy
Argh, I hate it when people try to say things are being retconned in the series. It disrupts and breaks the continuity of the games in the Mario franchise. What do you think? 23:06, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * I don't see the retconning. Captain Goomba and the Mario Bros interact with Spangle at clearly different times, so I don't see any continuity holes. 23:09, 28 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Derived species
I wanted to include Baby Yoshi on the infobox in some way rather than remove the user's edit outright and to parallel with Yoshi (species) being listed as Baby Yoshis' parent species. Technically they are the same, but like Baby Cheep and Blooper Baby, they're based on the "main" and more prominent adult species (Cheep Cheep, Blooper etc.), which was why I listed it as "derived". 23:38, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Thanks
Hey, I know it was tough, but thanks for reverting all of that vandalism! I swear, you were totally on top of things before I could do the same! 08:42, 3 February 2018 (EST)

No problem
There were a few links left, so I figured I'd do them myself. 22:02, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Recent edits related to a proposal
Hey there, I have seen that you've done some "maintenance edits" and such to certain character articles (because I'm usually focusing on doing edits related to stuff involving the Mario girls when I get the chance). I haven't been "in the zone" regarding editing stuff as of late; can you tell me which proposal you were targeting which passed and can't be "reversed" unless someone else says otherwise via another proposal or other legitimate means? Thanks in advance. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 10:45, 13 February 2018 (EST)
 * I had a feeling that you were the person who created the proposal in question. And if I not mistaken, I see that you definitely did some maintenance on the image captions for the Princess Peach article epsecially? Was wondering about that too because that kinda caught me off guard there too. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 11:23, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Mii costume
I noticed you uploaded that mii costume for Mario & Sonic. Do you have a save state of the game with everything unlocked?-- 15:23, 18 February 2018 (EST)
 * Well thank goodness anyway because I do NOT have the patience to go through that game. Assuming you're planning to take care of the other costumes, you should uploaded the save file afterwards to gamefaqs.-- 15:27, 18 February 2018 (EST)

Re: References should go after periods, commas, parentheses, etc.
Well, I wasn't aware that MarioWiki didn't have such a policy, however, somebody should seriously make a proposal about this and make it mandatory to have references go after periods, commas, parentheses, etc. or perhaps create a bot like Wikipedia does, as it's ludacris as for how many articles have references doing so or a hybrid of the two. I've already asked asked the site's founder Steve about this problem, but he simply said, "...Wikipedia might have better bots." --Jjrapper100 (talk) 12:00, 9 March 2018 (EST)

RE: Reddit
I'll admit, we got ourselves a grey area or blurred line when it comes to fan content related to the page List of Mario references on the Internet. Would a policy page contain rules on what is allowed fan creations? Where would that be? It seems to be unwritten word what is allowed and disallowed. -- 16:25, 10 March 2018 (EST)
 * Then again, at the very top of the page,  -- 16:27, 10 March 2018 (EST)
 * I consider Reddit more of a fancy blog, news feed, fan art, discussion, etc., run by a community of fans more than anything. It's the slippery slope fallacy I am seeing keeping Reddit as content for the page, meaning we would need to include all sorts of fanmade website content. Too numerous. We need written word if we should continue this. What should the rules be? Ultimately, when we think "reference", we think "small nod to a series", which Nintendo-themed Subreddits are far from small nods. -- 16:36, 10 March 2018 (EST)
 * Posts on Reddit are like thread submissions on Mario Boards or any forum ever. Content like this can be created at will, which exist in the billions or trillions. Maybe even more. Fan-created subs and threads are not formal references to the Mario series. As a side note, we don't even accept fan theories, which would clash with canonicity policy. -- 16:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)
 * It just furthers my point of needing some sort of policy page or revision to the canonicity policy page. Fan content; what should be allowed/disallowed and how to handle it (mix it with articles, separate articles, etc.). If you insist on keeping the Reddit part, I suggest creating a new page in a similar manner as List of rumors and urban legends about Mario. I also suggest starting a discussion on the Mario Boards or the Discord server to get input from other users if we should have a policy about fan content. -- 16:57, 10 March 2018 (EST)
 * I endorse Wildgoosespeeder here. An example of actual references on websites are 404 errors, such as those on IGN or Twitch. 17:07, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Yoshi's Story Nintendo Power Player's Guide
File:Yoshi's Story Player's Guide.png is replacing File:Yoshi's Story Player's Guide.jpg, and you are still using the JPEG on your userpage. -- 14:17, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

Mario is Missing Globulator
Do you know if deluxe edition has any cities not in the base version of Mario is missing MS-DOS. — Ryansinbela 23:12, 1 March 2018 (EDT)

Smash
I really think you should have broken that up into multiple smaller proposals for each type of thing instead of doing all of that at once. I agree wholeheartedly with maybe 30% of it, but the remaining 70% of it is, in my eyes, abhorrent. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2018 (EDT)
 * That does not change the fact that omnibus proposals should be discouraged. Also, where on the forums was this? I never saw it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2018 (EDT)
 * You mean the proposal you ran through while I was blocked? I'm a bit miffed about that, myself, but whatever. Anyways, two-option omnibus proposals are flawed by design, as if they don't pass, then you'll have to make yet another one to do the universally-agreed changes at any point, and if they pass, then a bunch of less-agreeable stuff happens. Anyways, dividing the population into sections based off of wide points when the actual differences are more specific and complicated is not only bad, it's what corrupt governments do, and therefore I find it to be very bad, myself. Nevertheless, if this passes, you won't ever have to hear from me again, so take solace in that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:20, 2 April 2018 (EDT)


 * OK, I may have been a little emotional on the last response, but I still think this is a bad idea. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:04, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

Rocky KoopaMole Thingy
Heya there, just wondering, why is it a no-go to consider a mole a derivative of a Koopa, but perfectly fine to consider a sea slug a derivative of a bat, a mosquito derivative of a bee, and an alien octopus a derivative of a shiitake mushroom? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:14, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Octoomba doesn't look any more like a Goomba than a Burt does, and as I previously stated, the Japanese names of Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench have been linked since Monty Mole's inception. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
 * They were inspired by a thing that, at the very least, was a Koopa when it was first thought up. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:36, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
 * What about Super Mario Maker? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
 * The same game gave Bowser his modern appearance for the Super Mario World style, so not quite. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:58, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
 * They certainly can be made to fit with the mechanics, as shown by this old custom sprite sheet. https://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/mariocustoms/sheet/17656/ Nintendo just didn't care about accuracy to style as much as they probably should have. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2018 (EDT)

Giant Bowser
Hello. If you are unaware of the situation the Giant Bowser article is in, I recommend you read from here. In a nutshell, the article was recreated covering the M&L games because they were the only officially named Giant Bowser forms. I realized later that that was not true and neither one is officially named. I'm going to create a proposal to deal with this issue, but I need to know if Bowser's giant form was ever referred to by name in any guides. said that it was called "Super Bowser" in the NSMBW Prima guide and that you had guides for 2 and U. If that is the case, could you tell me if the form is named in either of those? Thanks in advance. 11:07, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Quite helpful. Looks like Super Bowser is the name.
 * 11:58, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Goomba Switch official name
Hi, you happen to own the Super Mario Odyssey Prima guide, correct? If so, would you mind checking if the conjecturally-named Goomba Switch has an official name? Thanks! 16:47, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
 * If that's the case, I'd say "Goomba button" might be a good name to use, though I'm open to second opinions. 16:57, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Thanks! After I move the page, would you mind adding the page numbers in which the switch is referred to? 17:02, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Yellow Switch
Hi, would you mind checking your copy of the Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Nintendo Power guide to find the official name of the yellow switches in Vim Factory? Thanks! 01:45, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
 * Hi, since you've resumed editing at least for now, is now a good time to respond to this question? 19:24, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

That Smash Bros. proposal...
I just tagged all the move pages that needed merged to one or more character pages - not actually merging, just putting either the or  template on them. It took me an hour and thirty-five minutes.

Good luck fulfilling Rule 12 :p - Reboot (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * Some may need re-tagged though TBH, this looks....odd. (And for the record, I am all for merging the moves and always have been, so I might actually chip in a bit with this part. Maybe.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I know looks odd, but it's accurate (it's being split over multiple pages, and the move page itself isn't listed) and was the best of the options, since  is single-target.
 * And the basic point was that this will be a crapton and a half of work, especially when you consider you can't just dump the contents of the move pages on the character pages - they'll need to be formatted (...possibly something to discuss. maybe make a template), some will need split and a *lot* will need cut down in major & minor ways. - Reboot (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * I agree with Reboot on the possibility of maybe having the individual pages on non-Mario moves trimmed rather than being outright merged – maybe only merge the parts about how to perform the given move and keep the parts about the move's effects split (after all, that half of the information is how Mario characters "interact" with the move). 01:19, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * I was not suggesting not merging. Just that blurbs on an overview page are shorter than a whole page by design. - Reboot (talk) 01:34, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
 * Oh, must have misread your comment there... 23:41, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

SMBE
Very well, knew Dark Horse had four extra letters on the end of its name. Nice to have you back. Not sure what to do about what I've changed so far, as I really need to be working on writing for some art class projects of mine. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:59, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

Yoshi's Island DS Prima Guide
Hey, apparently you own this guide, and wanted to ask if the variety of Egg Plant that spit out  Needlenoses and this ghost that give you furniture have an english name. Thanks for your response! -- 09:08, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Ps: If it's not on the prima, is it on the Nintendo Power guide? You can answer to me even if i am afk. I will check the answer when i'll log in again. -- 10:29, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
 * So you mean that the previous Invisighoul title for the Porutaobake was purely conjectural? -- 03:54, 25 October 2018 (EDT)
 * The only place i know where Sanbo Flowers appear, is in the Botanical enemy exhebit in the Island Museum. For the Porutāobake, they also appeared in the Island Museum in the Haunted House. -- 04:43, 6 November 2018 (EST)

RE:Redirects
Page was protected per policy, which I completely forgot about. However, in the future, please wait to change a page to your preferred revision until after you receive a response from any message(s) you may write on the other user's talk page (unless, of course, it's obvious vandalism or spamming), as what you did might have constituted edit warring, even if it was likely enforcing the rules. Thanks! 10:57, 28 October 2018 (EDT)
 * I just wanted to be sure since there is overwhelming consensus to delete conjecturally-named redirects, even among administrators. 11:03, 28 October 2018 (EDT)
 * A bit ironic, I'd say. Already messaged Porplemontage about the issue. 11:09, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

Species
Hi, is there any reason you removed several things from the generic species category that weren't under a subcategory? The "no enemies" thing was for game-specific categories specifically, and not all generic enemies fall under the species category in a game anyways (Torte, Brogue Monsieur, and other event-specific character enemies come to mind), so things like Biffidus should still be in the regular species category, right? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * I know, and note that said proposal uses the words "game-specific." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:21, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * The point of the proposal was to get rid of redundant species categories for games when the enemy categories for said games looked exactly or roughly the same, and only that. Hence why Goonie is allowed in Category:Birds, a subcategory of species. It only has any bearing on game-specific categories. Not other species categories, which includes the general one. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:31, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Neither is the general species category. It's still intended to be all-encompassing. The franchise-specific ones are in the same boat as the game-specific due to the fact that taxonomic categories don't fall under the franchise-specific categories. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Which is exactly my point. That's why the franchise-specific ones are included. The main species category, however, is not, in part because of the taxonomic and element-based subcategories. Ergo, non-individual enemies that don't fall under a subcategory should still go in the general species category. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:42, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * My point is that what you're doing is not covered under the proposal whatsoever and is therefore not applicable to the argument you bring up, and is removal of perfectly valid information. The general all-encompassing "Species" category keeps enemies in it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * According to the proposal's name, contents, and list of affected categories, it is only relevant to game-specific categories. Even if that was something that was planned, it was explicitly not implemented in said proposal. Therefore, the general species category should still have enemies in it, as there is otherwise no subcategory containing them, as they are still species. They're distinct on the game-specific categories due to enemies being a specific gameplay element with a specific function, which is not applicable in the wide range of meanings employed by the general species category. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:52, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * What I mean is that the general species category groups things by game, taxonomy/form, elemental use, and some other miscellanea, which I'd consider a wide range. As for the proposal, I'd say Category:Species not being on the list of affected categories pretty much proves my argument beyond a doubt. Anyways, if enemy species shouldn't be under species, should non-boss enemy characters not be under the character category? Because that's a direct comparison. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:01, 30 October 2018 (EDT)

I'm not arguing against the proposal at all. You, however, are blatantly acting outside the proposal's parameters. Category:Species not being under the list of affected categories means, quite literally, that it is not affected by it, and therefore, should not be changed because of it. By definition, grammar, and everything in between. It is not affected. According to the proposal itself. By virtue of not being brought up. So you shouldn't change it. As that's just not part of the proposal. Quite literally. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:11, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Note that most of them were already under a subcategory, so no I wouldn't (Animate Objects takes a lot of them). You just zapped the outliers unwarranted. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Chain Chawfuls go under Category:Chain Chomps, in turn under species. Jawful, however, doesn't have that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:45, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * It's every bit as relevant as what you just said. And just as relevant to that proposal as Category:Species itself is, as once again, it's not covered under the proposal, and therefore should not be changed. Now I have to go to class for now, so it'll be a while before I can respond again. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:48, 30 October 2018 (EDT)

T-Rex trampolines
Hi, would you mind checking if the T-Rex trampoline pads from Super Mario Odyssey have an official name in the Prima guide? From the best of my knowledge, these beige pads that can launch Mario super high as a T-Rex appear almost exclusively in the Cascade Kingdom, with one somewhere near the Stone Bridge and two more in the Dinosaur Nest bonus area. Maybe work off of that as a start. 23:43, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the info I requested above. Another thing: is there an official name for the Lava Bubble cannons from the same game? There are many scattered around the Luncheon Kingdom, and one appears at the first segment of the Darker Side. 23:45, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
 * Last one (for now): is there an official name for the Uproot elevators? Those platforms that can be pushed up from below by Uproots can be found in the Wooded Kingdom in the red maze of the Iron Road, and the segment just after the only lava cannon in the Darker Side. 20:56, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

Blue Lava Bubble
Hi, would you mind checking the Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guides for the official names for the blue Lava Bubbles that appear in King Kaliente's boss fight? I was just wondering because there's been some talk about whether to use the internal filename as the name for the article, and I found in the 3D World Prima guide that they treat the game's blue Lava Bubbles as the same thing as the orange ones. 11:53, 18 December 2018 (EST)
 * Also, would you mind checking your Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D guide for the official name for Ultra Char-Chars (or if they're even singled out from regular-sized Char-Chars on the enemies tab)? They appear in Furious Fire and Lavawheel Volcano. 17:50, 23 December 2018 (EST)
 * Also, would you mind checking the New Super Mario Bros. Player's Guide to find the official names for the Mario vs. Luigi battle stages? 13:25, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Nippers and Bills
Hi, Time Turner. Some things have come up, and we have need of your books.

1) In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Ver. 2.0.0., there is a guidance for Piranha Plant, contrary to the previous game where downloadable characters didn't get their own clips. In it, Viridi gives the name "Nipper Dandelion" to Watage Pakkun. Nipper Dandelion happens to be the previous title of the article, where it was marked as conjectural. Now, I've been reassured that Nipper Dandelion was likely straightforward, but I still have my suspicions that the wiki was referenced again because she also bluntly calls one of the variations "Ghosts" (which I feel personally responsible for because I doubt it was the intent of the Smash for writer, even though it's not technically wrong). So, can you double-check your Yoshi's Island DS guides just to confirm if Nipper Dandelion was indeed conjectural? There's a discussion about the guidance here if you want to weigh in.

2) In Bullet Bill's Super Mario Sunshine section, the names "Blue Bullet Bill" and "Crazy Bullet Bill" are mentioned. As far as I can tell, these refer to the Bullet Bills used by Bowser Jr., which home in like Monty Mole's Purple Bullet Bill, even though Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. only mentions the former. Can you tell us if these are referenced in any of the guides, and if their descriptions better set them apart from Purple Bullet Bill? It might be worth making new articles over it.

3) Speaking of Super Mario Sunshine, I've seen that you brought up the fact a couple of times that some of the guides (I believe there are four total) have a different set of names that appear to refer to game data. I don't think they are all up on the wiki. What are they, exactly? It might be useful to compile and compare them at least, especially now that "Gooble" is Swoopin' Stu.

Thanks in advance. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:30, 30 January 2019 (EST)
 * Also would you check out where is Stackin' Stu official? -- 13:05, 30 January 2019 (EST)
 * Oh yes, and Giant Stu, and if the Stu enemies are called basic "Stus" at any point. Let's consider that as part of the third question. Sorry, I know I've unloaded quite a bit to look into; these are listed in order of importance, so if you can't do all three at once, we'd appreciate if you could look into the first one for now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2019 (EST)