Talk:Princess Daisy/Archive 1

Should the game appearances and playable-character roles sections be consolidated? That might make more sense. -Stumpers

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Most FAQs and stuff I've read separate starring roles and non-playable appearances. It makes sense. Waluigi Freak 99 14:15, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

It would be also necessary to have a picture of Princess Daisy on a yellow parasol which was from Mario Party 3. --PeachWoman

Relationships
Shouldn't there be a section under Relationships about Wario. After all, he was the real mastermind behind Daisy's kidnapping, so it would be evident that she dislikes Wario, right?

I don't think there would be much to write about...but meh. Fixitup

Kay-O. Come to think about it, nah, leave it out. It would seem wierd, as it is worthless speculation, that has only happened once. I think the relationship to Waluigi section should be removed, though. That is just wierd.

Well I cut the Waluigi section but apparently someone liked it..so i'm not gonna go there. Fixitup

I am sick of this, guys, it is not needed. I am holding a vote, keep the Waluigi section, or get rid of it. AND DON'T VOTE KEEP IT, JUST COS' YOU LIKE WALUIGI!!!

Edition
where are the edition format for each section? the article is too long and i have to change the info chosing the whole article edition. somebody can explain this?

Daisy getting a double bogey or worse
If Daisy is yelling "No, no, no, no, no, no, no!! You KLUTZ!!", who is she yelling it to? --PeachWoman
 * The player messing up. That means Daisy belongs in Category:Characters who break the Fourth Wall. 01:36, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Or she's talking to herself. Depends on your interpretation.  Don't you ever yell at yourself when you've really screwed up?  ...maybe I'm just weird.  19:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 * That it does...but how are we going to decide? User:Imperialscouts
 * Well, breaking the forth wall has previously meant mentioning the player for more than that (Lord Crump, for example). I think also the "Get it together..." thing she says is more indication that she is talking to herself, because she's definately not going to go from anger towards us to complete calm.  I could see it only if she was talking to herself the whole time.  Plus, she doesn't make eye contact with the palyer.  01:41, 3 December 2007 (EST)
 * Stumpers: I would agree with you on this. I always yell at myself (and the game. =P) when I screw up. Daisy wasn't facing the player when she said that sentence, so she is very likely talking to herself. The only guys who know, are Nintendo and Camelot! >_> I would say take her out of the Category, but, that's my opinion. =|

Use Pic 2

 * 1) – this is easy. Pic 1 has a white background, while Pic 2 is transparent.
 * 2) Fixitup – Not only does pic 2 have a transparent bg but it has also obviously been made more recently.
 * 3) is more nice
 * 4) Kay-O. This one is better than Pic 1.
 * 1) Fixitup – Not only does pic 2 have a transparent bg but it has also obviously been made more recently.
 * 2) is more nice
 * 3) Kay-O. This one is better than Pic 1.

Comments
Pic 2 wins, just get this over with!

Wha-...what the heck???
Why can't I edit the Daisy page? I can edit othe rpages but not this one...Fixitup
 * It has been protected due to an edit war. When the above poll it closed, it will be unprotected by a sysop again. - 14:16, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Biased?
Daisy's personality secton seems biased to me. How Daisy's always called beautiful as well as a tomboy. I've only seen her called that in one game and that's Mario Party 3. I deleted it but it's been reverted. The Future secton also has no back up to it, has there been any hint at all for Daisy to be in Mario & Sonic, or SSBB? If there haven't been any hints at all then I don't see how they belong there but it was also reverted.

Sounds like Fixitup is being an unfair jerk, as he always is to this article. 11:27, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Hey, quit it. Fixitup did a wonderful job with this article, just didn't neutralize it. Maybe we should create a template like on Wikipedia about "This article needs neutrality or something". 13:44, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
 * OK, I'll agree I overreacted to the above. A NPOV-fix template is a good idea. However, there's no denying Fixitup is fasincated with Daisy, even obsessed. 16:48, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

WHAT?! I already explained why I said she was often remarked as beautiful. Also, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics is going to have over 20 characters and wouldn't it make sense that if Daisy was in? Why wouldn't it? Also a lot of people have a chance to get into Brawl they don't need hints as long as they are not limited due to something Sakurai has said! Besides some hints are that there was previously a Wario costume and trophy and now he's playable, Daisy had a costume and trophy so well? BTW calling me a jerk was unnecessary I never did any name calling Wayoshi! I may be obsessed about Daisy but I don't make up crap! I've been to various Japanese Mario game websites where I've seen quite a few translations showing Daisy as the beautiful tom-boy and Peach as the smart princess. You know, I think you're just upset because you were not actually improving you were trying to make it your way. You should have came to me about this first instead of acting like calling me out would have everyone jump me! Maybe if you would talk to ME about this on my talk page I could've discussed this with you politely but nooo. Fixitup


 * Is better edit technichal info or fan opinion info?
 * Although it seems obvious, it's still not confirmed, so it shouldn't go in until it's confirmed. No assumptions. And I said I overreacted to the jerk issue, and no I wasn't trying to improve it first "in my way". 12:14, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

CC I have no clue what you're trying to ask. Fixitup

Whether she's beautiful or not should be determined by how other characters in game react to her... such as the fake Millinium Star. There you go. Problem solved. She's been considered a tomboy forever: Mario Tennis, Super Smash Bros. Melee, and as seen in her actions in Mario Party 3 (punching Bowser out) and her pure energy in her other games. How did this become a huge issue? Oh, right. We also have an indication that she will be in M&S@OG (the flags), but I really don't know how we can be certain she'll be in Brawl yet. I probably just said a lot of stuff that has already been said.

Hey, I agree with Fixup here. In the Mario Kart: Double Dash!! game manual it say that "Daisy is so cute she has become something of an Idol"...I think that counts as beautiful. Also, while I doubt that she will be in Brawl (unfortunatly in my opion) I think there is a good chance that she will appear in the Next Smash Bros. game. Not that it matters...just a thought. User:Imperialscouts

Please stop fighting! Daisy ROX and we all know that, Daisy and myself are nearly identical in appearance and personality. Like I said, we all know Daisy ROX!

Has Daisy really been confirmed for...
Has Daisy been confirmed for Mario kart wii and Mario and Sonic Olympic Games??? Javier12345
 * There is reason to believe she will be in Olympic games because a flag of hers is seen there. However, there is no support yet for being in Mario Kart Wii.  The only support we have is that she was in Double Dash.  However, Donkey Kong Junior will tell you that it doesn't mean a thing to be in an earlier game! :)  21:19, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Sorry stumpers but I have to laugh at your expense. Donkey Kong Junior is the current DK. Check out the page on Wikipedia. The old DK got, well, old. It's the little hair dohickey you can tell them apart by. User:Imperialscouts

Notable Screenshots
If we really need this section (I didn't see something like that on other pages), I'd say we keep to notable screenshots. That means not screenshots where Daisy is some small figure, like the screenshots of the Mario Party mini-games. - 15:50, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Maybe we could change it to something else. Those screenshots are good, but they aren't notable. Keep the gallery, but name it something else, not Notable.

Brawl
Actually, even though I hate to admit it, Daisy has a fair chance of NOT being in Brawl. - Luv, Peachluver
 * What the...? It's up again? Ok, Mr. who-adds-this-all-the-time, once for all, when there's no information about something for Brawl, do NOT add a note. For more information, look at the guidelines set up at the Super Smash Bros. Pipe Project. I would also like to remind you that speculation has no place in an encyclopedia. - 12:07, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Although it's painfully obvious many characters have a fair chance of getting in brawl (including Daisy :P) Cobold's right. If Sakurai didn't mention nothing than we shouldn't. fixitup
 * I don't know who keeps adding it, but everytime someone does, I think that it is allowed, and I expand the SSBB information. Sorry :(

Played Mario Tennis GBC?, remember she was there?


Until they fix it, this will be an uncomplete article.

If someone has the game and already beated Mario and Peach or just Mario then go to Mario World to verify and tell here she is there.


 * I don't have the game, so of course I can't play it!

That's not my problem you are not in the list.

Just make some sense, do you really think I actually started making fake screenshots my self just for, as you said? I know she's there because I have it and then, how can you say that Daisy is not in the game if you have not even asked or played or then, is Daisy in Mario is Missing? she is there too but I could just like you say those screenshots are fake, but in fact they are all real. Is it yet THAT HARD?

Three things to tell ya:
 * 1) Don't try to erase another user's opinions
 * 2) Please, sign your comments by now.
 * 3) Someone is against to your proofs about your screenshots?

And who else would s/he be? Pokemon DP and this section as I said is mainly for those who have the game.

OK I understood ya, i don't have the game either, but if you have, and you saw that Daisy appears in that game, your info is acceptable, you can write that. Now, I want to know, where did you find that pics, eh?
 * Er, ripped from a ROM, maybe?

then you cant help here to make the article a complete one. or if you belive, can you?
 * OK, no need to flame and argue about this! If you felt this needed to be put on the article, why didn't you do it yourself? Just put the dang Images on the page.

Alright, then I shall put some previous deleted Daisy's quotes when in the game Nina/Alex and Kate/Harry arrives Mario World in the game.

Done!
 * You have REALLY got to start signing your comments on these talk pages. Oh, and good job on the article.

Thanks

Main Quote
I think the Main Quote should be something to actually describe her or her character, not just a random exclamation. - 15:23, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Fine I'll change it to something that shows off her personality a little more. Not like I chose the current quote anyway. Fixitup
 * If you've checked the history, the current main quote was some "Oohh" and "Aaah" when I posted this. - 17:17, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
 * Understood. I know where you were coming from. :P Fixitup 17:29, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
 * that quote you found it fixitup is at Mario Tennis website. she doesn't tell this in the game exactly.

Last two MSC Bios sections
Fixitup, just so you know, there is also a US and a European Super Mario Strikers website. Each actually has different character bios. Check both sites, and you'll notice both of the bios is completely different. So, which should we choose? The info that was in the game itself, or both bios'? It is the same case with this. The official site and the game can be interpreted as two different things.

I think we should go with the Info that was in the game itself. User:Imperialscouts
 * Yeah, so, remove the last two sections on the MSC Bios?

What Art Goes With What Game
As you can see here,  , this artwork of Daisy is used for MPDS. Seeing as this is the first game it is used for on its own as newer artwork, and there is no evident MPDS artwork for her, this is what I'm going to refer to as her artwork per that game? Fixitup

Has Daisy really been confirmed to appear in someway in SSBB?
I really hope she is playable, but is it really confirmed that she will appear in some shape or form in SSBB? That would be awsome, no to Daisy as alt. for Peach!

Eh, yes she has. In an official video a sticker of her was shown. I doubt any more characters are going to be confirmed, but she'll make more appearances in the game than that.. BTW Don't forget to leave your name. Fixitup

Maybe she make an appearance as an assist trophy. (Or maybe a playable charater.) Princess Grapes Butterfly 21:37, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Yes, but hasn't the final roster already been confirmed for only 35 characters Daisy is not apart of that roster :( Or is there going to be more? -koolkid123

Well I guess we have to wait untill the games is release. Princess Grapes Butterfly 15:53, 2 February 2008 (EST)

Daisy, if you want to put it this way, IS in Brawl as an alternative look for Peach. So, technaclly, this conversation is over. Even if it's not what some of you hoped, you can think of it in another way., by calling this version of Peach "Daisy". I know some of you are pretty disappointed, but at least she makes a cameo, right? Ilovedaisy

Do you realize how old this conversation is? Aside from that, the costumes are not the characters. Other than the fact they are based on colors of other characters, they are in no way THE characters themsleves. FD09

Fake Image
The image used in the gallery to show Daisy's role in Mario is Missing! has been recolored. This fact has been admitted to on the image's page. If you look at the original image, you'll see that our image has a recolored dress. The original is blue. I think this constitutes as, "fanon," and should be replaced with the in-game image. Trsrockin.com features the original image: http://peach.trsrockin.com/images/marioismissing.jpg 21:42, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Your right it orange it instead of blue so it not offical so should we remove it a post the offical image.(Who could of done this!) Princess Grapes Butterfly 21:45, 24 March 2008 (EDT) Wait it a retouch foto from fixup So they been know it a fake!
 * I've uploaded the right image and replaced it. 21:55, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Cool but it look purple? Princess Grapes Butterfly
 * Yup. The sprite was modified from Peach's sprite in Super Mario World, and the dress is very reminescent of the USA Golf game, or whatever it was called.  In-game, Daisy wore blue and Peach wore green.  22:20, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Stumpers are you serious! So would that make it a retouch image? Princess Grapes Butterfly 06:22, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately, yes. The previous image was an edit. I found out shortly after uploading it, but forgot to look for the original. Hey, I do the best I can, this page is huge now you know! :) Fixitup 23:59, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

?
Umm is this real.-> "In Mario Kart Wii Daisy Circuit, there is a giant statue of Luigi and Daisy holding hands.etc" (awwwww!!) Is this true? (I need a pix,source, or a video.) Princess Grapes Butterfly 08:35, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, you can check the page out now for an image. Awesome, right? Fixitup
 * Very much so. Can you add an "aboutfile" template to the image, though?  02:06, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

This is kinda off topic, but my friend has the players guide to this game and it says Peach and daisy are cousins. should we add this?
 * WHOA! WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA! Proof please. Imagery, IMAGERY! THIS IS POOP MY PANTS INFO!Fixitup
 * Is the Player's Guide even official? 18:24, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yo, all guides, sites, game booklets, bios, and etc. that are officially made by Nintendo are just as official as info found from Sihgeru Miyamoto's mouth unless said otherwise. Fixitup
 * Well, I don't know if it was officially made by Nintendo, that's why I was asking. I think there are some Player's Guides which are not official. 18:33, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Does is have that offical Nintendo seal. (Would make that offical right?.)
 * Not everything released by Nintendo has the official seal, lol. I think you should be able to tell if it's officially Nintendo. Fixitup

Ok, I just checked up on it. The Prima Guide is the official guide from Nintendo(it has the seal). If you can prove to us that it says that, it's up for the add. Fixitup
 * Well some offical Nintendo books has the seal. So it offical? Or we still need proof.
 * I checked online. The front has the seal of Nintendo.Fixitup
 * A picture of this exact wording would be helpful. 18:56, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Precisely that. Fixitup
 * Prima has made some pretty crazy claims in the past though. If you accept this you're going to find yourself faced with a lot of other Prima claims.  21:51, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Hm, I think as long as they are licensed by Nintendo guides, anything is acceptable...with proof of course. I will be trying to get my hands on this MKWii guide in the meantime, as the person who brought this topic up seems to not know what is even going on... Fixitup

Yeah I do. the guide also said that Toadette and Toad were brother and sister. But I thought that they were boyfriend and girlfriend. User:Sonic&Mario Kid
 * Like Stumpers basically said, this information, including the Toad and Toadette, information is very vital. We need something like image proof to allow sch information to stay much longer. So if YOU have the ability to get us pictures even before me, that would be great. ForeverDaisy09
 * That isn't what I said at all, actually. Prima guides are some of the worst in terms of putting in contrary factoids and such.  My point is that if you want to use "facts" (read: writer's opinions), you're going to have to go back, examine all of their conjecture, and put all of it on the Wiki, even when that means putting both contrary game info and guide info right next to each other.  08:37, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

No, just no
Wario and Waluigi are both ridiculous. The only basis you have is from the Mario Party and Mario Strikers series, and their "relationships" there are merely gameplay elements, nothing more. Wario has NEVER made any clear contact with Daisy, and nor has Waluigi, really. Though, Waluigi COULD be moved to Trivia. Wario has GOT to go, however.
 * You are by far poopin' ya pants right now.(lol) I'll probably remove the Wario section.. Also, gameplay elements as well as team names support relationships just as much as anything else would... Why wouldn't they? Also, Green Bros. is a play on words, anyone with can understand that. The proposal was to remove speculative relationships, presenting information from the games, and anywhere else, is not speculation as long as you're not suggesting it means something the source didn't. Players don't have bad chemistry because they MIGHT not like each other, and players don't rival each other because they have no connections between one another. Fixitup

ZOMG, FLAME! *goes to the Sysops Board on the Forums* Bye bye, Fixit. Anyway, team names are irrelevant. Some are pointless names that make no sense. I don't see how a "team name" hints at a relationship, really. Chemistry is a poor assumption as well. Donkey Kong and Petey had good Chemistry, WTF?! Chemistry is irrelevant to this case as well. We CAN'T assume ANYTHING from Gameplay elements; Only the story. Wikipedia does it, so should we.
 * What? Are you joking? I hope you are, I don't see a flame.. Gameplay elements are used in every relationship section, lol. And if DK and Petey had chemistry, why is that a big deal? It just means Nintendo was building a connection. Just because characters haven't dealt with eachother in the padt, doesn't mean something can't start somewhere. Regardless, I've removed the Wario section, and there is no speculation in the other sections. Fixitup
 * Also, you can tell why some people have connections because of past info, while some people have nothing to base it off of, that's just how it is. When a character has had past though, that's when it makes sense to mention it. Also, that doesn't mean you start a relationship section from one point of info, that's obviously why what happened to the Baby Daisy page happened. Yeah, some are pointless names, SOME. You're not giving any reasoning not to keep any information from gameplay other than you don't think it makes sense. Wikipedia does it because wikipedia is filled with people that don't allow anything that isn't stated as a complete and utter fact. Gameplay like this isn't the same as if you do something to cause an instance that wouldn't normally happen otherwise. Unless that is the case, then gameplay and team names are just as much as relationship elements as something stated in a storyline. If we based everything off of what only happens in the story line, most pages would los half of their information. Gameplay is where information is derived from. Fixitup
 * I totally agree with DP. 22:53, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Same here.
 * Fixit, N/O, but I think the only reason you're going through all of this is so "your" Baby Daisy article can be full of fanon information; such as her "crush" on Baby Luigi. Um, hello: Babies don't have love lives; they can get along with other babies, but they don't fall in love. =| The proposal pulled through; useless fanon relationships will be removed from the article. Get over it. 23:31, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * This has nothing to do with the B Daisy page! I just stated that the B Daisy page didn't have such information! Gosh, people can be so blinded by past events. This has nothing to do with fanon, and it had nothing to do with B Daisy until you just tried to go off on me. I am over that, I'm not over this. The proposal was to get rid of speculation, I've gotten rid of speculation here. Just because someone thinks gameplay elements don't mean anything doesn't mean they don't. I have the information to back it up. If someone can give us information that says they have no relationship, then this will stay as non speculative info on this page. Don't try to go off on me about something that wasn't even at hand. Fixitup

Let's see... Three people say Gameplay Elements are a big NO on relationships section... one person says they are fine... Learn to accept other people's opinions, Fixit, it'll do you good later on.
 * Fixit: Don't take other people's opinions so personal. Besides, majority rules. 23:42, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Trust me, we don't need to remove gameplay elements. It's straight, dawgs. If you can give me a vital reason to remove the Waluigi section, I promise I will. I know for a fact though, that there is a relationship build up between the two. It's not even my personal favor wither, I could care less about Waluigi, but I know that Daisy info, is good info. Please, just bare with me here. Fixitup


 * This whole thing with the relationships is so wild. There has to be some better way to work them out other than listing a bunch of assumptions that people will pick over later on.  Maybe we should change it to an "Interactions" section, so that only events, voiced opinions, and Nintendo's hints would be listed.  For example, instead of "Luigi and Daisy are rumored to have a romantic relationship," a statement that is true but can't be sourced, would change to, "Luigi's first documented interaction with Daisy was in Golf, where she caddied for him as Peach did for Mario.  After playing tennis alongside Daisy in the Doubles Turnament in Mario Tennis, Luigi and Daisy have been portayed as a couple on various occassions.  For example, they are seen together golfing with Peach and Mario.  In the Mario Party series, their team names are (examples here).  Perhaps the most telling occurance was in Mario Power Tennis, wherein Daisy called Luigi "sweety" while receiving a trophy.  Finally, in Mario Kart Wii, there is a statue on Daisy Circuit that shows the two holding hands together.  Nintendo's only official word on this matter came in Super Smash Bros. Melee.  Daisy's trophy bio states that (insert quote about Luigi's answer to Mario's Peach here)."  Not perfect, no.  But, did you notice that it dodges saying that they are "rumored to be" or that they "appear to have" or any "conjecture-hiding phrases" like that?  Instead, it lists off when they were portrayed as a couple.  See, we shouldn't be putting in our own judgements outright, but we can make "suggestions" in the form of what data we include where, just as Nintendo has.  01:10, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * And now to respond to Fixit's new comment: why don't we just make a "chemistry chart" documenting who Daisy has good chemistry with? It would save room, too.  The overall idea of mine here is to present the information that lead you to believe what you do, but then let the readers take the final step in uniting the facts into a personal belief or conclusion.  01:10, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Why do we always get PWNed by you, Stumpers? Great idea!

Oh my gosh, so not fair. You always make the best suggestions. Ok though. I think most of what you said in the rewrite is perfect. I would make it lengthier in my own personal manner however, not ruining it or anything. I would also mention the baseball info.. Is that what you meant by chemistry though? Also, how would you go by changing the Waluigi section? And, what exactly do you mean by "chemistry chart"? Aaand more importantly than anyone else, what would we do about Peach's section? That has to be the most truthful of them all already. Fixitup

So Uhh hmm.....One word.....Pwned.


 * Thanks guys! Glad to help out!  Here's what I would cut from the Peach section to make it less conjectural.  This isn't a full rewrite, mostly just a strikeout -- meaning that sections like this should be easier for us to write:
 * " Peach is the most notable relationship Daisy has with any of the Mario characters. (agreed, but an opinion) Daisy has been known (portrayed as) to be a good friends with as a good friend of Peach ever since her big comeback appearance in Mario Tennis for the Nintendo 64. Soon after in Mario Tennis (GBC), Daisy is commonly alongside Peach in any cut-scenes. If something involves partners in the Mario spin-offs the two will usually be a team (GIVE EXAMPLES HERE: Mario Kart Double Dash... Mario Party 7). Naturally, the two of them enjoy a friendly rivalry, but for the most part they enjoy each other's company. (This statement should be backed by events, although it is likely true... if you were thinking of the manga, just remove this and it will be supported by the section on the manga)


 * Like Luigi, the two share good chemistry in the game Mario Superstar Baseball, and Daisy is Peach's team's co-captain (a member of Peach's team in story mode). By their friendship, one can assume that the Mushroom Kingdom and Sarasaland have very good foreign relations. (conjecture, but a good one). Nintendo's Mario Power Tennis Website says that Daisy is Peach's sister in arms, obviously meaning more of a 'brotherly love' type of relationship than an actual blood relationship. (let the readers interpret that statement as they will -- make it easier on yourself!)


 * In the Super Mario manga series (Give issue and pg?), when Daisy is introduced to Peach, Peach mistakes a wink from Daisy to Mario as a way of showing affection, as Mario responds in that manner (Instead say what Mario did... did he have hearts in his eyes? Wink back?). Peach confronts Daisy which is where their rivalry originates; this ultimately leads to their lasting friendship." (I'd like more specifics on this last sentense, but it's fine because it gives the facts instead of saying that they are rivals first, then friends... but it just dodges by a bit).  01:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd love to do Waluigi right now, but I need to go to sleep. But, what I mean by the relationship chart is this: a two row chart with as many columns as there are characters with whom she has chemistry.  Other character's names would be listed across the top, and Daisy's name to the left.  In the space to the right of Daisy's name, musical notes or what have you could be placed to show postive or negative chemistry.  There are other ways, too of course.  01:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * lol, I got pwned by super-yoshi saying pwned b/c of edit conflict. 01:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Lol, nice work, Stumpers. I like it a lot. But, wait... There's a Mario Manga?!

I think it would just be (much) easier to mentione the chemistry normally. ForeverDaisy09
 * Right, but this is just to take care of the cases in which a whole section is written, backed only by the fact that a character has good/bad chemistry, but no reason has been given. For example, we've never seen Daisy and Waluigi exchange a single word if I remember right, but there they are with bad chemistry.  It would be conjectural to make a conclusion about that.  17:03, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It would, but having bad chemistry means they don't have a good relationship... Soo, what part of the Waluigi section is conjectural? ForeverDaisy09
 * It's not conjectural that they work poorly together, but to say anything beyond that is technically conjecture, like for example why they don't. 22:11, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

So that means that the charaters the don't make contack with Daisy contain no relation ship with her? (So you guys will remove the Wario and Waluigi section.) Princess Strawberry Butterfly 17:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm really liking this new "Interactions" idea. Nice rewrite, ForeverDaisy. It's perfect now! :D
 * Yo, thanks! ForeverDaisy09

Yo, your welcome! :P
 * Whoa, that's a lot better. Leave it to Stumpers to clear things up. BTW, good job rewriting, FD09. ;) 20:36, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Who stated, that Daisy was Peach's cousin?
OK, when I first saw Daisy in Super Mario land, I also thought she must be Peach's cousin or something, but when was it made offical? Any sources? Any proves? There's not even something like that written in ALL of her Bios and Trophy information! I would say, that's just fan talk and fan talk doesn't belong in here, unlike someone can tell me, where that cousin thing came from. Nenilein 07:10, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Noewhere... Peach = Princess (MK) Daisy = DIFFRENT Princess (SL) Crystal lucario 07:20, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

I know, but someone did put it in the article!! Nenilein 07:30, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, I had mentioned it in this talk because I saw it in my friends guide to MKW, WHICH HAD A AFFICIAL NINTENO SEAL, by the way. User:Sonic&Mario Kid.

Oh my god people this is stupid. People poop their pants 'cause they're not up-to-date. I have the guide. I'll provide a picture soon if that's what it honestly takes. ForeverDaisy09
 * All you need to do is give a proper source, FD. 08:33, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm trying. Everyone's freaking out. lol ForeverDaisy09

The guides are written by Prima and are more often then not wrong with details...Crystal lucario 11:42, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * The guides are fully accepted by Nintendo, licensed by Nintendo, and stated by Nintendo to be official. ForeverDaisy09


 * Where? Did Nintendo, like, put a seal on it to make it offical?  I mean, in the Super Mario Galaxy guide, they said the Magikoopa at the beginning was Kamek, and in the Mario Kart Wii guide, not only did they say Daisy was Peach's cousin, but Toadette was Toad's sister!  All that's a bit of a stretch, if you ask me, like something out of a fan fic... - Smashgoom202 14:27, 25 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Toadette stated in one of the Mario Party games (I forget which one) that Toad was her brother, so that information is correct.

Yep. What guides say about characters relations to other characters is usually wrong. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?
 * Prima is the official guide. Period. Nintendo made Prima the official guide recently. They are accepted by Nintendo and licensed by Nintendo. If you don't believe us, ask Nintendo.


 * ...Maybe I will... - Smashgoom202 14:37, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * A game guide is still the least official source we have, they are known to have made quite silly mistakes in the past, official or not (no, the Star Spirits' first appearance wasn't Mario Party 5). We should point out that they said it but it is uncertain whether we can take it for given. - 14:55, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Saying it is the least reliable source of information is blatantly an opinion. It is a FACT that they are official. It is a FACT that they are licensed and endorsed by Nintendo. Regardless of what information is in the guide, it is accepted as FACT by Nintendo. If some information contradicts the obvious, that can be understood, but considering there is no where, NO WHERE, that says Daisy and Peach are not cousins, this has no issue. ForeverDaisy09
 * Per above. Prima was made the official guide after Nintendo Power guides were discontinued.
 * I'm going to somewhat side with FD on this. If something has the official Nintendo seal on it, then it's good enough for Nintendo, making it good enough for this wiki. However, I've noticed many game guides making chronological mistakes (as Cobold stated with the Star Spirits). Now, I'm going to put the citation tag on the article again; I'm asking you nicely not to remove it until the proof is uploaded, (or until a link is shown). Currently, I'm searching many websites to see if I can find proof, because honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they were cousins. 15:19, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I guess a citation tag would be better than what I just did, SR. You can revert my edit, then add the tag. I WILL try to upload this soon. I promise to get it before the end of the month at the most! Also, try youtube. Someone on there may have a video where they're showing the guide. You could send them a message asking for imagery. ForeverDaisy09
 * They are "least official" because they are written by a company which made blatant mistakes in their guides in the past, and simply get a Nintendo stamp on top of it. Let's say they are less official. There have been disputes in the past, as to who is the Donkey Kong in the original Arcade game for example. Nintendo already disagreed with other companies on that.
 * I don't doubt what the guide says. I just think that this is a very controversial subject and should be treated as such. It's the same with information from Smash Bros. trophies, which already called Waluigi Wario's "possible" brother or made false statements about Daisy's first spin-off appearance. We should definitely have this in the article. It's very interesting. BUT also accept that this is not a black or white subject. - 15:30, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok, let me say this first. Daisy's bio in Melee was correct. The Mario Golf they were speaking of was NES Open Tournament Golf. The problem was that it was MArio Golf in Japan, but NES Open in America. This trivia was removed forever ago due to this conclusion. Also, past guides may have had mistakes, but you should remember that this was also years ago, and that this was before they become the official Nintendo walkthroughs.ForeverDaisy09
 * I believe that "official" is just a very good way for marketing themselves they bought from Nintendo after their own guides were discontinued. Official doesn't mean canon. An official guide is something officially recommended and supported by the company. In my eyes, it is as much official as German Mario comics of Club Nintendo. Those are also official and we have them on the wiki. But whenever their content is brought up, it is stated where this information comes from. What about "...with Princess Peach, who, according to the official <...> guide is her cousin"? - 16:04, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Cobold is right on one matter unarguably: we should specifically say which source made that claim. I actually find it very irritating that our "proof/sources" are things that only the original writer remembers, only to have people scramble around trying to figure out where a claim came from, and then all of a sudden, it's like, "Oh, here it is." It would take 2 minutes for the writer to put in a source.  So let's do it right with this part: put in a source, whether or not we want to call this canon.  Oh, one more point: don't put too much emphasis on the seal.  It does not mean Nintendo says something is "right", it simply means they find the guide as a whole acceptable... if that.  For all we know, the process could simply be like the ESRB's process, based on trust.  Look where that got them.  23:38, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
 * What I said Nintendo feels towards the guides can't be disagreed with for it is fact. You can't assume there is another possibility when the only reasoning points to Nintendo accepting all information from a guide as truth. Also... I don't have a problem with showing a source, I just originally said when the possibility was brought up that we could post imagery on the talk page. Pft, shoot. I could get sources for a lot of the information on this page, but when I'm the only one that is sensibly working on it for unreasonably long periods of time without anyone else contributing more than weird information, I never feel the need. In this case, sure. For all we know, Nintendo has made these guides official, there is nothing more to it. Assuming the ESRB or the writer's of the guide added something to their personal favor is speculative and unneeded. About the mistakes made in past guides, so what? Everyone knows there are rare typos in games, and there are odd translation errors in manuals, but they are still accepted by Nintendo. If something interferes with a fact, like mentioned about the stars first appearance, it was so minor a mistake, the creators could have made it. You see far more fatal plot-holes than that in the game than in guides. Sorry, I'm rambling. You get what I'm saying. Point is we can get the source. ForeverDaisy09
 * Simply saying that your arguements are fact gets you nowhere, you're gonna have to prove them. Until then, they are assumptions that, "What I said Nintendo feels towards the guides" is true.  You have no right to say what Nintendo, a massive corporation, "feels" about a guide until an official statement of opinion is released.  This cousin thing, this is not a typo or a mistake regarding a character's first appearance, or even a translation error.  This is an American English guide published in America.  This is about a speculative relationship that the writer presented as fact.  No one is saying you can't put that in the article alongside a note saying where the fact came from.  We're saying that you can't claim that they are cousins and leave it at that.  For example, when I write that the Mario Bros. lived in Brooklyn, I am sure to mention that this information comes from the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.  Not everyone agrees that the television shows should be considered canon, so we facilitate both views by including the information and noting where it came from, so that readers who consider it non-canon can ignore the information.  We should be doing this with every source, game, TV show, or otherwise, but for some reason, editors more often than not talk in generalities.  This means that readers who does not consider the Prima guides canon, which I've gathered is everyone except you and the reader who originally brought it up (which is good -- the information has some level of official-ness, so it should be here, regardless of people's non-official opinions on canonicity), will not be able to see that the factoid about them being cousins came from a Prima guide.  That's why specifics are so important.  You may not find that important because, "I'm the only one that is sensibly working on it for unreasonably long periods of time without anyone else contributing more than weird information, I never feel the need.  But in this case sure."  But don't ever forget the readers whose voices are not heard on talk pages.  FYI, I'm working on a wide variety of topics on this Wiki, so you really don't have the right so say that you're the only one who cares enough about the article.  The sources is a Wiki-wide thing, which applies to articles that only one user edits.  *end rant*  15:19, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok. You basically just ignored a lot of what I said to you, and took the other part out of context. I'm not stating opinions like facts because Nintendo has licensed prima as the official guides. The fact Nintendo has made them the official guides, and the fact they have put the official Nintendo seal on the guides, means that they do accept the guides as factual. Saying that is not an opinion. Let me try to put it in a more simple example. Jane wrote her name down on her lunch box. Jane now accepts full responsibility for her lunch box. It is a fact that this lunch box is Janes, and it is a fact she knows it is hers. You can't deny that the lunch box is Janes, and that she has thoroughly reviewed this, making anything that comes out of the lunch box Janes fully reviewed knowledge. Jane has accepted everything in her lunch box as fact. The lunch box was packed by her mom, but Jane knows what is inside and accepts this as being so. Jane is Nintendo. Lunch box is the Guide. Food is the guides contents. Mom is Prima. It is not my opinion that Nintendo has accepted information from the guides. It is fact. That is why there is a seal. That is what it is there for. That is the the point. I didn't say no one else works on this article, or this wiki. I said I am often the only user contributing to it for long periods of time. Before this article was shown to be featured on the front page again, I hadn't had anyone else edit it that wasn't just some weird Daisy fan for a long time. I'm not saying I own this page. I'm not saying I should be the only one working on it. I don't enjoy the idea of representing this whole pages creation. (even though it was crap before I came here... lol :3) To finish my writings here, I have had no problem with saying where information came from, I still have no problem with that, I said that I was the only person working on this article for a long period of time, therefore I didn't feel I had to put them there. This was probably before the article was even featured. Forever ago. I know for a fact that I have gone days, possibly over a week without other people actually contributing to this article. Just because I have neglected this ability in the past, doesn't mean I condone it. ForeverDaisy09
 * I can't follow both your food example (which doesn't get to the point) and what the featured article nomination has to do with the current problem. You definitely can't compare the Nintendo Seal of Quality, which is nothing more than a marketing gag, with food. You yourself may complain about the food your mother has put into your box, regardless whether you accepted that the box(!) is yours, which definitely has nothing to do with the food. What I want to say is that everything published by Nintendo gets that seal, and it means close to nothing.
 * I trust Nintendo to review the guide before they publish it. It's there and it's official. But it's still not by Nintendo. We should say so when mentioning any information from it. Nothing more, and also nothing less. That means we definitely should have this in the article, even if Nintendo would make a disclaimer from the content later on, which is quite unlikely. - 11:58, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * That's everything I'm trying to say. Official is not equal to canon-ical in all cases.  Since there is no official canon for the Mario series, we should be sure to note which source we're talking about.  Anyway, this discussion has gone on too long.  Thanks Cobold for bringing it back to what was important to the article.  13:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Augh!! I'm not saying I don't want such mentions in our pages. Also, you took the food reference to somewhere that made even myself confused. Regardless, as long as we all understand I'm not gonna try to defend myself again. Maybe if I keep this short you will finally see that I don't have a problem with this. ForeverDaisy09

Prima guides get facts wrong. This is true. Some proof? I have the Prima Pokemon Pokedex for pokemon, and it has several errors. For example... It lists Treeko, a pokemon that can be male or female as Male only. It states, for all the other forms of deoxys, to press A in front of a rock with it in your party and it will change form. It doesn't say this for Speed form. This is a prima guide, with the nintendo seal. These are only a few of the many errors in the book. Thereby, guides aren't reliable sources. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?
 * This isn't a Pokemon wiki. The only thing Pokemon related is the Smash series. Thereby, you need to go to a Pokemon wiki. We have already settled this issue, and we don't need to bring Pokemon into it. FD09

I was using it as an example o Prima guides being wrong on certain facts. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?
 * Actually, they messed up right in their statement that Peach was her cousin. It says that Mario and Luigi rescued her from Tatanga, when really, Luigi didn't appear in Super Mario Land at all.  How ironic...  19:49, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * For all we know he was there too. It's not like Luigi being playable in other Mario games means anything as it's the same thing that's going on with Mario. Just another one of those things. This is why Shigeru Miyamoto needs to make a game explaining Mario facts. ForeverDaisy09
 * Well, if it's Prima vs. Nintendo's SSBM profile of Daisy, which also made mistakes, I'd trust Nintendo's profile... which I think (big emphasis there) said that Mario (no mention of Luigi yet) saved her from Tatanga. 23:30, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm freaking out on this site too because there has been an edit war because of this situation. Even though it was stated in the Mario Kart Wii guide that Daisy is Peach's cousin, we still have yet to hear from Nintendo themselves if the info is real. Besides, I'm still furious that Prima would still keep that "lie" about Daisy being Peach's cousin; it's just insane. In my opinion, if the info comes from Nintendo themselves, then THAT'S when I'll accept the "Peach/Daisy are cousins" stuff. --M. C. - &quot;Mario Gals&quot; Enthusiast! 20:33, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I've been editing saying that the cousin stuff is POSSIBLE, but not canon because it hasn't been stated in the games. When I go back to look at it, though, it seems that someone eliminates my POSSIBILITY edits and makes it like a sure thing.


 * Because speculations or probabilites are not allowed to put in the articles

I'm sorry if I am reopening a can of worm here, but why don't we just put a footnote that the whole "Daisy and Peach are cousins" thing come from a third-party game-guide with an History of wonky infos?
 * We still acknowledge it's possible, but we also point out it may not be 100% true. Problem solved. --Blitzwing 17:21, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The big question is how? Some of us (myself included) have been trying to say that it hasn't been "confirmed" 100% even if Prima's "official" guide for MK Wii (and MK DD) says so. My opinion is still that we get the info from Nintendo themselves on the matter, and that's when this debate will finally be put to rest. --M. C. - &quot;Mario Gals&quot; Enthusiast! 20:57, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Audio Samples?
Does this wiki have the ability to use audio sample templates? I have seen on wikipedia that they use audio samples for music. Such as the funky town page. It would go at the bottom of the character template, under latest appearance. I'm not even sure how to upload audio files here though. Somebody help meh? ForeverDaisy09
 * I've seen audio files around the wiki in some articles, but I'm unsure as to how to upload them. 15:24, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Daisy's Newer Design= Daisy's First Design?
I just realized a little something. When Daisy first appeared she had a pink crown and white highlights. Now she has a copperish gold crown and orange highlights. Baby Daisy is based off her second design due to the orange parts of her dress and a gold crown. Because Baby Daisy is a younger version of Daisy, doesn't that mean that she started off wearing the gold crown and orange, then went with the pink crown and white in SML, and then BACK to the orange and gold crown?

That either means that Daisy (after the events of SML, Melee, and MP3) went Back to her "original" design, or SML takes place AFTER all the new games. =/ -Moonshine

Orrr, it would be illogical to base a new character off of an old design. Why doesn't Baby Mario have red overalls and a blue shirt? ForeverDaisy09
 * You gotta keep in mind that the babies are all based off of their modern appearance so that they can be recognized by players new and old. It's not about a continuity, it just is what it is.  22:22, 1 June 2008 (EDT)


 * True, but I mean in terms of the article. I know WHY Baby Daisy looks like that, but I mean Should it even be mentioned on the page? -Moonshine
 * I don' think so. I mean, it's already odd enough that someone's baby self can coexist in the same world. Clothing is far from the abnormal here. ForeverDaisy09
 * I agree with FD. The more you can base/back up what you write by facts and official statements, the better.  Therefore, pointing out inconsistences is a very hard thing to do.  While you could (and should) mention that Baby Daisy's design is based off of her most modern appearance, it is a little iffy/unneccessary to say that it is incongruous with earlier appearances of Daisy.  Does that help?  00:22, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Daisy's Species
Does anyone else remember the official website for Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour stating that Daisy's species was "Flowerchild"? I distinctly remember that, because it's one of the reasons I rarely turn to websites for information for the Wiki. 13:37, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

"Species"? maybe is a name for Daisy (and also for every character in the game), there are some funny names as Waluigi, named as "Unemployed Humanoid" and Wario, the "Greed Guru". -- 12:46, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I distinctly remember it under species, where every other human was "human". 18:14, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

I vaguely remember something along the lines of that. I don't, however, remember anything about it being her race. Considering there's no way to make sure any longer, we may as well let it die. FD09
 * Especially because it hasn't been supported since. 02:55, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Daisy in Mario is Missing
Daisy wan't in Mario is missing. I have the game now. The lady in the museum booth is a girl who is based off Peach more then anything. Even using Peach's SMW sprite complete with the blonde hair only difference being the blue dress. The museum artifact were stolen by Koopas and she asked Luigi to get them back. The lady appears in every level and is never named but it definately not Daisy. I think it would go better in Peach's bio since it is her SMW sprite.-Shadowexe
 * Or as a separate article under the name Information Booth Attendant. I remember removing the faked image earlier -- someone was tricked by a trickster on the internet who posted a recolored image of the attendant.  20:47, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

The real image is definitely there now, but considering it is Daisy's first color pallet, and most people considered in game models of Daisy a recolor of Peach it does make sense. I can edit it so that it's less determinative however.FD09

But it's not Daisy. No where is it said that this is Daisy. She even has blonde hair. Daisy doesn't.-Shadowexe

The point is already brought up that Daisy's only in game colored sprite had blond hair. FD09

She is indeed never referred to as Daisy, and I'm not sure how close she looks to her. I can put an image of her later if you want me to. (I've only played the SNES version, can't tell anything about NES and PC.) 08:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
 * She has dark blond hair and a blue dress, and Peach's face from Super Mario World. 13:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

FD no where does it say that it is Daisy. A blue dressed Peach doesn't make it Daisy. Her in-game dialouge says that she works at that museum booth and that these ladies in every world are different. Last time I checked Daisy only exists in one and is a princess. This booth lady that Luigi helps in Mario is Missing is meant to be a different character based on Peach. Not Daisy.

Well, so what are we going to do now? Move that Information Attendant thingy to another new page or what?

Good idea. Just mention the similarities and such.FD09

I don't see any similarities though. This woman doesn't have Daisy's face, hair, or dress.-Shadowexe

Are you paying attention? The main reason this was ever assumed to be Daisy was the fact it is quite obviously not Peach, and because Daisy's only in game sprite shares the same pallet.FD09
 * Here's my idea: these women are obviously separate characters from Princess Daisy, correct? Why don't we examine Mario is Missing! closely to find a name such as "Museum employees" or "Information Booth attendants" and move all of that information over there?  Both their role and similarities with the princesses should be established.  16:13, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
 * All of them look really similar, and aside from their appearance, they are absolutely identical. I think the page Curator works just fine. 16:29, 1 October 2008 (EDT)