Talk:Naval Piranha

I love this boss.It is my absolute favorite!By the way, I think this is a pun, becuase her weakpoint is her navel!

Please use the forum for discussion like that, the talk pages are to be used to find ways to improve articles. -- Sir Grodus

Boy or Girl?
I don't think "She" has a gender because ITS A PLANT!. Also, Does it ever DIRECTLY state it's a girl? Someone, tell me if I'm right! User:maxlover2

"In Tetris Attack, Naval Piranha is the tenth level and the boss of easy vs. mode. She frequently uses hearts in her dialogue, and calls Yoshi "Babeh" so it is presumed she is female." ~Kenja


 * In the Yoshi's Island Strategy Guide, which I happen to have, Naval Piranha is refered to as 'She' several times. --General Kelty 21:18, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

MPA says that SHE lives and thrives in the desert. Max, we know it's a plant. Petey is a plant. Toadsworth is a friggin mushroom. But there gender has never been questioned. - Ultimatetoad

Please note that fungi and plants can have gender, just like animals. -- Son of Suns

http://wikiwiki.jp/dette-island/?%A5%D3%A5%C3%A5%B0%A5%D1%A5%C3%A5%AF%A5%F3 she refers herself as "atai", which usually used by a girl whose has bad manners.

Clarification
Does the skip work in the GBA version?


 * Seeing as Nintendo intended this to occur, it probably does

Naval Piranha Gender
Who referred it as a she? It’s best to use it because we don’t know what the gender is MarioFan403 (talk) 13:26, 17 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Apparently the Nintendo Power guide. There was a section regarding it, but I removed it as it seemed pointless to go into detail about real-life plant reproduction systems. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:39, 17 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Which one? The SNES guide uses "he", while the GBA guide uses "it". 13:41, 17 April 2018 (EDT)
 * Maybe not, but check two sections above and check all of those sources? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

Only finding instance of gender in the SNES guide. Borp on Discord said the gender isn't specified in Tetris Attack, and same from M4E about Mario Party Advance. If the Yoshi's Woolly World game or a different guide calls Naval Piranha a female, we could add that. 21:17, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
 * There's a part in the Playing With Super Power: Nintendo Super NES Classics guide referring to Naval Piranha as female. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

Spike the Piranha
Is Spike the Piranha the same as Naval Piranha, as this article currently considers? I would say not, and here's why: I think Spike was meant to be a reference to Naval Piranha, not the same character. Scrooge200 (talk) 23:04, March 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Their origins are different. While Naval is just a regular Piranha Plant enchanted by Kamek, Spike is made from acorns and a party ball.
 * The word "naval" doesn't even apply to Spike. He's fought in a garden, not in a watery area, and Yoshi damages him by hitting his head with spike balls, not hitting his belly button with eggs.
 * While Spike does have growths similar to Naval Buds, they behave differently. Spike's buds spit out spiked balls and Shy Guys and also spread out in waves, while Naval Buds wrap around the stage.
 * I agree with every argument you made concerning why these characters are separate; Spike's derived conceptually, but not the same thing since he has a different weak spot. 23:42, March 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * That was added by an ip before the name of the new entity was known. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:56, March 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * At the release of the full game, we'll see if the Japanese name match. -- 02:35, March 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * That happened hours ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:36, March 29, 2019 (EDT)

Calling similar Piranha Plant bosses "Naval Piranhas"
They may resemble Naval Piranha, but straight-up saying they are Naval Piranhas is just overdoing it, just because Naval Piranha was the first one with this design. To me, that looks like speculation. If we are going to mention these here, then at the very least we should say "similar to Naval Piranha". 11:55, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
 * "Big Pakkun." It's no more "speculation" than saying it in turn is derived from Big Piranha Plant; it's not "speculation" at all, it's inference. The design similarities were clearly intentional on the part of the developers, and that, combined with the generic name in the language of origin and Smash explicitly listing it as a species makes this seem pretty clear-cut to me. Another matter needing mentioned is how the Smilax are generically called "bud" in Japan, making them similar to Lava Bud (the only other "bud" with an official designation). To put it simply, if we wrote Megasmilax and Big Bungee as a species, there'd be no question that we'd have considered both of them derived from Naval Piranha for a long time, like how we consider Boolossus a Big Boo. And for that matter, how we considered this an individual Big Piranha Plant before I rewrote it as a character/species. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:43, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
 * Boolossus is obviously a Big Boo though. 07:38, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * No more "obviously" than Megasmilax is a Big Pakkun. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * The problem with that I realised recently, is that Naval Piranha is not known as "Big Pakkun" outside of Japan, it's most likely given its name because of it dwelling in water, which as far I've seen the rest don't. I know the JP name is what you base these on, but really the English name actually doesn't make much sense the way its being worded. 16:59, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * And in Tetris Attack (the Western version of Panel de Pon), Mario Party Advance, and Yoshi's Woolly World, it's also outside of water, so the name is an artifact anyways. (In fact, MPA's ending has it happily living in the desert.) Also several of the other non-English names don't have an aquatic basis, like in French it being "Ultra Piranha" or it being named after Audrey II in German. Now, this is something I wouldn't put on the article without confirmation from the developers, but most likely the reason it was in water to begin with was so they wouldn't have to visibly connect all the vines, not intended as an innate part of it. (Not that this means anything but I do have a bachelor's degree in game development so I'm familiar with creative ways to work around limitations) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:06, May 30, 2021 (EDT)