MarioWiki:Proposals

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Repurpose
As highlighted by in this forum post, the necessity of the  template has come under question. His main concerns are that it seems redundant to hand out when a user overly edits in their userspace, and that the template itself is too wordy and takes too long to get to the point. also mentioned that many users with high userspace edits often have it due to experimentation with wiki coding, which is a productive use of editing if it is meant to go onto official articles.

These two reasons is why I propose a restructuring of the userspace template; removing the too many userspace edits reason, and just sending out (in)formal reminders for that instead on a case-by-case basis. I also propose reformatting the template so that it only covers genuine violations of the userspace policy and gets to the point faster. This way, the template won't need to be handed out so liberally, and it will better get the attention of those in violation of the policy.

Proposer: Deadline: April 12, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Repurpose the template

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) Per Lord Bowser. The userspace warning has always seemed odd among the other warning templates. It's just too lengthy.
 * 3) per all.
 * 4) It's always felt kinda large and long to me.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) While it seems detrimental to retire the temple altogether, it also seems pointless to not improve it. Perhaps it should only be issued if A) the user in question makes more than five or six major edits (500 bytes or more) to their userspace, and B) these edits all have little or no relevance to the project (such as, you know, using the wiki as a web host). While the status quo isn't the worst (Bulbapedia, for example, has an even stricter (and maybe an even more "needlessly patronizing") policy on userpages), I'd say it's definitely worthy of improvement.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per myself and Baby Luigi in the linked forum thread.
 * 11) - Per all; trimming it down and making it clear when (not) to use it is a needed improvement to the template
 * 12) Having experienced the overuse of this reminder first hand (although it was overturned by an Admin almost immediately), I agree we need to make more clear what type of situations this reminder should be issued in. Per all.

Leave as is

 * 1) You can say that a userpage is a great place to practice MediaWiki syntax but we should encourage redirecting those people's attention to do that in Sandbox. Keeps attention off the user namespace. There is a reasonable argument that, in general, Bulbapedia is too strict. In general, I feel that MarioWiki is too relaxed. I think we can find a happy middle ground, but this proposal as it stands right now isn't it.

Comments
@Toadette the Achiever - I don't propose removing it entirely, since it can still serve a legitimate purpose. I just wanted to retool and rewrite it so that it would only be issued in the case of userspace policy violations, and informal reminders being sent out in the case of excess unproductive userspace edits. This would increase to formal reminders and warnings if it persists, similar to the current policy in place. 19:02, 5 April 2017 (EDT)

Something lacking is the link to Special:Editcount. This is clearer than Special:Contributions because one page keeps count of edits while the other lists each edit made by the user. Here's me: For new users, Special:Editcount is more useful while for long time users or frequent editors, Special:Contributions is more useful. -- 19:10, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Special:Editcount/Wildgoosespeeder
 * Special:Contributions/Wildgoosespeeder

@Wildgoosespeeder - It is important to remember that many users, including yourself and myself, have their own personal sandboxes under userspace, used for things such as template drafts, policy drafts, experimentation, and so on. All of these edits add up on Special:Editcount under the User row. Encouraging people to use the wiki sandbox when you have your own personal one is contradictory and borderline hypocritical. 04:15, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I am aware, as I do the same thing. I thought we were talking the main page only (no slashes), the page where we can personalize to our liking. Sub pages are the exception, as long as they serve the wiki. -- 04:39, 6 April 2017 (EDT)

If anyone was curious, I've created a potential new userspace template on my sandbox. Feel free to comment on anything that should be changed within it. 04:48, 6 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Damn Wildgoosespeeder, you've got more edits than me :'( @Lord Bowser, that proposed template seems fine. Like Template:Sigfix, the wording around the policy is very general, which leaves it to those who are issuing the reminder to personally advise the user on exactly what they've done wrong (such as excessive userpage edits, creating unnecessary subpages). 08:13, 6 April 2017 (EDT)

I think that number of user space edits alone does not determine whether a user is editing their user space too much. For example, a user may use a sandbox to work on a very big project. This would not be in violation of policy because it is helpful to the wiki. What is not allowed is making a very large number of edits on pages that are not helpful to the wiki, such as a main userpage, while making little to no mainspace edits. I think that the template cloud be rewritten to make that clear, as well as adding detail about other types of userspace violation. -- 08:56, 6 April 2017 (EDT)

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