User talk:LinkTheLefty

Galaxy and names
Hey, I'm sorry. The comments I made on Super Mario Galaxy's page were rude and potentially provocative. That was not intentional, and I apologize.

To clarify my position, I do not think internal file designations should be recognized as true names. They serve utilitarian purposes for the developers and were likely created before enemy designs were even finalized. Whether they are in plain English is less important than the fact that they are not legitimately published names. It's fine if there is literally no other names to reference, but I think it would be more accurate to prioritize Romanized Japanese names over internal file designations. For example, I think it would be more accurate to refer to the small skeletal sharks in Galaxy as "Kobone" in place of "Skeletal Fish Guard". The first is the romanization of a legitimate name for the enemy. The second is not a name at all. But that's just my opinion. - Nintendo101 (talk) 08:17, February 24, 2021 (EST)

More filename requests
Hi, I have a few more filename requests for you, this time for objects primarily from Yoshi's Woolly World: Thanks in advance! 18:54, March 8, 2021 (EST)
 * The bead jars that, when hit repeatedly, give Yoshi many beads. They always release a Stamp Patch whenever they are hit for the final time.
 * The accordion walls. More details on the article in question, though it's also worth noting that they return in Crafted World.
 * The cannon-like bobbins that launch Yoshi a fixed distance (see the giant Baby Bowser boss fight as an example). While there ARE "World Bobbins" on the world map that technically function the same way, as described on page 11 of the game's digital manual, that name feels a bit too specific.
 * I do not believe so. I don't recall it being given an official name on the English website either. 09:28, May 9, 2021 (EDT)

Silver Chomp (and etc)
Hi, I'm curious about Silver Chomp's JP name due to this edit. The one it was changed to was from a mission title, is the former one from a guide? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:13, March 20, 2021 (EDT)

Related, what do English guides say about Fiery Dino Piranha? I'm just curious if the mission title isn't more like "fiery Dino Piranha" and this is a "golden Chomp" situation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:18, May 13, 2021 (EDT)

DKTF Shogakukan guide
How did you get your hands on it, out of curiosity? It's such an elusive piece of media that I've only seen it being sold second-hand on eBay. 12:55, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * Same. I bought online in bulk along with several other hard-to-find things of interest (not all Mario-related), which saves some money over individual sales. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:12, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * Hey. I was wondering if you could find a proper name for the little owl enemies that Skowl employs in his battle in Mountaintop Tussle (the game’s second world). The Prima guide refers to them as Hootzes, though they have their own behaviour as well as a slightly distinct appearance. Would you mind checking the enemy list and the level’s walkthrough in the Japanese guide for this? Thank you. 20:19, May 2, 2021 (EDT)
 * Thank you for your response; I’ll probably get around to creating new articles one of these days. In regard to feathered and unfeathered Stilts, the Returns Shogakukan guide seems to treat them as separate variations as per the Koopa Troopa / Paratroopa approach, where one is essentially an extra hit point of the other while both being encountered as enemies on their own. I’d support a split myself, honestly, and so I would for Skittlers, Tiki Torch, and the others you’ve mentioned since Frogoon and Hopgoon are already separate articles. In this case, though, would the American guide, which groups these minor variations under one name, be more of an authority than its Japanese counterpart, since the game was developed in the US? 19:48, May 3, 2021 (EDT)

Re: "Gance"
There's one string like that in the Japanese version's global.txt file. I wonder if it still exists in the international versions, but you can try to search for it. If it doesn't exist in the international version's script and you think it's not a proper edit, then it's okay if you just simply delete the notes there.

Paper Unbaba and friends
Hey, would you support the idea of a direct relation between Blargg and the Hooktail family due to the punning names (and considering the PM games usually tend to pun names off species) and Hooktail's own slight resemblance to the original Blargg, or would you consider that a fool's errand? Ffuts i-DC erucsbo looc emos derevocnu ev'I osla! Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:39, April 28, 2021 (EDT)
 * Another piece of this puzzle that had escaped my notice is Don Bongo, despite looking more like a Spike/Gabon, hrmmm... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:49, May 19, 2021 (EDT)
 * I'd helped translate that bio, actually, though I never considered the baba/babu similarity, interesting. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:35, April 11, 2022 (EDT)
 * Regarding the name, that may be a bit of a stretch. Blargg's final sprites in the game are horribly drawn by SMW's standards (mixing two near-identical shades of yellow completely randomly, for example), so it wouldn't surprise me if there may have been some sort of lost intent there. That being said, they may have likened it to a crocodilian for people less familiar with plesiosaurs (and honestly, it's more similar to a gator in proportion and behavior anyway). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:56, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

Egg
I think "Egg (Yoob)" would be more concise, being more descriptive and less lengthy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:57, May 2, 2021 (EDT)

RE:About bouncing Tucks
Feel free to start one, though it is confusing enough as it is already, so I'd prefer to keep it as is for now. 14:47, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Ropes
Hi, would you mind looking at the New Super Mario Bros. 2 section of the Japanese Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia and find the names for "Hand-Over-Hand Rope", "Hanging Rope", and "Tightrope"? Thanks! 17:19, May 16, 2021 (EDT)

Ghost stream
Not sure if you saw my comment here, but it's pertinent. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:19, May 18, 2021 (EDT)

Re: Above and other things
I'd say source the guide for the Chomps then, will attempt Gobblegut, Hisstocrat, and possibly Dino Piranha merge proposal(s) when the time seems right. As for old cacmummy, I think given they gave Poison Pokey a different name for all languages instead of just the incredibly dodgy English localization, that it's more safe to consider them a functionally equivalent successor rather than the same thing (and honestly, given the "abandoned" theme of their locale in TTYD, "Pokey Mummy" could have still worked if they wanted to use it). Anyways, I think Pale Piranha and SPM Moon Cleft should be dealt with first before attempting any other PM enemy reclassifying. Any plans on moving forward with re-re-merging Pale Piranha any time quickly? If not, it's one of the next things on my list. Moon Cleft should definitely wait until after it. As for Black Shy Guy, part of me wants to move forward with phase 3 and attempt to have generic appearances like the baseball games and MK8 removed, and another part thinks that it'd be best to try and redo the previous one when the time is right with the question of "why is PM Anti Guy more different from CS Black Shy Guy than MTA black Shy Guy is from CS Black Shy Guy" that I regrettably forgot to bring up until the end of this last one. After all, it was merely a stalemate with a fairly even outcome, not a full loss with overwhelming opposition. (Maybe some day we can finally have "Chestnut King" merged to how it was clearly intended to "Luigi has a dramatic end fight against the previous game's tutorial boss.") On the subject of odd TTYD things, I did notice Dark Craw has an incredibly generic JP name that seems like it may be intended to umbrella over the so-called "Craws" in general, but is a bit conflicting with how there seems to be some implication that the NPC species may just be "Gus" like the character. Thoughts on that? Finally, on "Ghost Stream," I think simply adding it to Caged Ghost is perfectly fine then considering Jelly Ghost (in the same stages) had what amounts to a functional replacement to its role (even if it's really more similar to Stretch). On another note, I'm strongly considering reformatting Naval Piranha in the same manner as Dino Piranha (and on a note related to that, given Smilax's generic JP name, I'm wondering if any JP materials ever referred to "Naval Buds" through the same generic term, as I think they may be intended to be the same thing). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:46, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * I'd prefer a parent/derived for the Fuzzipokeys, myself, and I suppose Big Blooper needs imminent work too. Are you confident enough people would play ball in a new Metal Mario proposal? And do you have any thoughts for what to do going forward with Black Shy Guy? (Also I don't think I'd noticed the situation with Merlar and Merlumina until now.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:52, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * Oh, another thing. I'd like to see your thoughts on this and this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:53, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * ...and this and this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:12, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
 * Also, a new point on the Boss Kribo debacle. (I hope you get back soon, having trouble involving feathers again...) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, July 2, 2021 (EDT)
 * Just a note regarding many of these still being unsolved and I'm still interested in any input you may have, since you seem less busy now. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:51, February 26, 2022 (EST)


 * I did notice the Bakudan, which is odd for having a generic name when it doesn't act at all like said generic thing...since it acted more like Fire Chomp (itself actually explosive) from the start and was called "Keronpa" in SM64DS assets, wonder if we should consider it similar to the ambiguity of Ukiki? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:39, April 11, 2022 (EDT)
 * Extra iron ball? ¿Que? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:36, April 12, 2022 (EDT)

Petit
I was thinking of "petit" as well but like "petite", it's not commonly used as a synonym for "small". 23:33, May 25, 2021 (EDT)

Fire Bubble: Resurgence
So I've been thinking perhaps it'd be best to merge the SMG blue Lava Bubble to the normal Lava Bubble and treat it as an abnormal design that would then coexist with the normal design (the same should probably be done for Zigzag Lava Bubble). The reason is since the names provided in official materials state it to just be Lava Bubble, while "Fire Bubble" is probably a case like "Yōgan Bubble" where they just wanted a quick identifier to differentiate this entity normally called "Bubble" from something else (in this case, normal bubbles like the item-container/breathable/rideable ones). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:49, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
 * Good to know you're still around; I've been quite busy on here as of late (also I got a job). Anyways I got a Pale Piranha proposal going, so please don't hesitate to look into that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:54, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

Rotating Lift
Hey, I've added the source back in for the Rotating Lift in Super Mario World that's from the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. I do think that it's not a good source (hence why I added a "better source" tag next to it), but I'm not exactly sure how to go about mentioning it because that's the only source for the name we have. If we must not use it altogether, what alternatives we do have to acknowledge it? Make up a conjecture name for it? Leave it unnamed? 20:31, June 12, 2021 (EDT)

Carrot Kart
Hello. On Carrot Kart’s page, could you please check if the Japanese name is split properly into its component words in the Meaning column? Thanks. 19:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Yoshi's Island GBA guide
Now, i know that the Japanese version doesn't give them a separate entry, but does the English guide follow the same rule as the original SNES's one? Or are they just considered to be normal Crazee Dayzee? I've reopened the discussion, debating on wether it should be merged with Crazee Dayzee, or not. Since the Block Slime's name was not given until the Advance guide, i think it's likely to have change from the SNES one. More specifically, the English name. -- 13:51, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * The GBA Player's Guide simply doesn't mention that enemy at all. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:10, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

Tweester
It has come to my attention that Tweester, at least in regards to the Mario Party orb, actually shares the fairly distinct Gusty's JP name. This makes me think that perhaps the SMG entity was a deliberate rename to avoid confusion that happened to coincide with a redesign, or alternatively that maybe the orb's name was a fluke and perhaps it had used that name sooner. I'd need more evidence before doing anything with this, but what do you think? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:50, September 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * I was more thinking how some of the orbs have had odd names in English (like Magikoopa Capsule). Thanks! I also would still like some input on some of the subjects I linked above. Also, I'm curious as to your thoughts on my latest major boat-rocker idea. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:23, September 27, 2021 (EDT)

Color Splash data_chr.elf
Hello. In this edit, you get a Japanese name from Color Splash's data_chr.elf.lz file. How'd you find this? I know how to decompress the file, but I can't find the names in it. I suspect it has a similar structure to data_npc.elf.zst in The Origami King. 18:55, September 30, 2021 (EDT)

The Japanese text of Mario & Sonic’s Mii dialogues on the names of Yoshi and Toad
I managed to retrieve the Japanese text of the Mii dialogues about Yoshi's and Toad's names in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games:

ヨッシーには、さまざまないろ色がいるけど そのぜんぶ全部をさ指して｢ヨッシー｣ってい言うんだ. ｢マリオ｣みたいな、じぶんじしん自分自身のなまえ名前じゃあないんだね. でもどのヨッシーも、やさしくてあし足がはや速くて… そしてく食いしんぼう坊なんだよ!

キノピオには、さまざまないろ色のキノピオがいて そのぜんぶ全部をさ指して｢キノピオ｣ってい言うんだ.

でもどのキノピオも、とってもまじめ真面目でれいぎただ礼儀正しいんだよ!

I personally think that they indeed wanted to tell us how Nintendo was handling these names also in relation to differently colored members, who can still be named with the name of the species, as the case of Toad in New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe and, more recently, of Penguin Toad and Yoshi (Kangaroo) in Mario Kart Tour showed. I'd like to know your opinion on the matter though. You can reply here, by the way, to keep the discussion easier to read.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:48, October 7, 2021 (EDT)
 * I believe it. I think I shared this story somewhere here before, but a long time ago (possibly before I joined the wiki), Nintendo of Europe or Australia had a certain Mario website. I believe it might've had a remote and television as its main menu navigation. Anyway, one of the fun facts it had said a very similar thing about Yoshi as the eventual 2016 game. At the time, I just thought the writer was mistaken and so I didn't listen to this rare info, but knowing what I know now in retrospect, I wish I called attention to it back then. Many such sites didn't last very long as they ran on Flash and don't have fully functioning backups today, which I'm almost certain must've been the fate of this site. It could've saved a few headaches in the long run if more people were made aware of it back then. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:25, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
 * Also, I want to add that I'm pretty sure, implicitly, this applies to Toads and Yoshis of standard design (eg. palette swaps); whenever they have nonstandard base designs (Toadette, Boshi, etc.), they tend to be allowed unique names, though these characters are increasingly uncommon. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:55, October 22, 2021 (EDT)

Dancing Spear Guy translations
Hi there!

I don't know if you're still active here, but I just wanted to ask if you were responsible for adding the German name on the page Dancing Spear Guy. I'm desperate for the citation, but I can't find anything, I've even searched for all the possible (legit) manuals of the Yoshi's Island games, and I still couldn't find anything.

Thanks for your help!

Scarlet Pairo (talk) 12:21, October 9, 2021 (EDT)User:Scarlet Pairo

NMS UK/Aus names
Hi, not too long ago I looked through Nintendo Magazine System (UK and AUS) issues on Internet Archive, as well as some strategy guides to try and find names for the three Super Mario Bros. games and Super Mario World. My deep dive led to the creation of a few articles such as Light Barrel and 1-Up Chambers. NMS is so lazy and casual with names, you should see the DK Coin page! Results May Vary (talk) 10:49, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
 * Very interesting! I did not know about the Killer Instinct info. I do find it surprising how little NMS is documented in comparison to Nintendo Power, especially if it's official. I know for a fact that in one issue with Link's Awakening review, Pieces of Power are said to be fragments of the Triforce, which doesn't even appear in the game! Results May Vary (talk) 10:22, October 20, 2021 (EDT)

Advance questions
So, what does the Advance guide says about the Bubble Dayzees? Like, the English guide. What does it say about the Solo Toadies? But most importantly, the Bubble Dayzees. -- 13:55, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * Does it still distinguish it, like the SNES guide, or considers them to be normal Toadies and, like in Japanese? -- 12:18, November 14, 2021 (EST)

Monty Mole species guidebook info
Hi, mind making a list of descriptions for Monty Mole species of guidebooks you own? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:08, November 8, 2021 (EST)

If you want some better access to the guidebook scans I sent, I will just send them here to to help out:

 SMCE page 45.png SMCE page 44.png SMCE pages 168 169.png SMBD page 40.png SMBD page 60.png PEGMCE page 41.png PEGMCE page 112.png PEGMCE page 183.png CTY Shogakukan P14.jpg 

I also have links to some scans here:

There are guidebook scans on random hoo haas here: http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/guide.html. You can find interesting Monty Mole species stuff there, just find games that have Monty Mole species (this includes Ragumo and Rocky Wrench to). Also what was that text that was said under a picture of Monty Mole taken in a realistic location seen in the Super Mario World Shogakukan Guide (it was in the Valley of Bowser 1 section).

Finally, I uploaded scans of several Japanese guidebooks and manga on the Mario Boards here: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/44397/. So far it is the Origami King and Yoshi’s Woolly World guidebooks but more will come soon once I scan more.

Also remember to put the descriptions on my page both English and Japanese. Thanks for the help. (also this is a response to his reply so this is not about any excessive requests). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:29, November 30, 2021 (EST)

TCRF Bullet Bill
I dunno, I also recently saw on there on one of the "stages" pages normal Bills chomped too at that point in development. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:51, November 12, 2021 (EST)
 * I'd noticed the potential name connection, but it still seems like a bit of a stretch without further evidence in my opinion. On the subject of Lava Lotus, I had noticed it closely resembles Panser's design both in art and sprite (albeit larger and transparent) while Ponki coming back at the same time as Pokey, Ninji, Pidgit, and some Spark expies (while still being a fire spitting bloom) hardly seems like a coincidence. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:08, November 14, 2021 (EST)
 * Saying "an aboveground version" does not technically make it a derivative if it predated that; my though on that is that they just wanted to compare with the relative already used in a JP-released Mario game, a la if one compares Shellcreeper to Koopa Troopa, especially when retrofitted with design bits from the latter. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:17, November 14, 2021 (EST)
 * The Ponks could be seen as a Like-Like/Pikit case IMO. Anyways, that was a lot to respond to at once, but I'm pretty sure both types in dark palette caves at certain points. However, the original manual screenshots give 1 (runner) the light area (black) palette and 2 (stationary) the dark area (blue) palette; also note the poses and how the screenshot quality appears to give 1 white dots while keeping 2's red, matching the art. You may want to check YKDDP's manual to see if those screenshots align since I can never find it while searching. (On that subject, what do you think the odds are Tweeter was a late-development replacement for the supposed gray Shy Guy?) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:58, March 11, 2022 (EST)
 * Kinda wonder if the gray Shy was "split" into Tweeter and Flurry, since that'd account for the hopping and chasing. That also makes me wonder if that Ninji's white dots are actually a remnant of a time the two behaviors actually had a palette difference with II/B using the gray/green palette. Could also explain the Beezo manual oddity... (speaking of "oddities," I brought something else up on the SML2 Lava Bubble discussion). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:27, March 12, 2022 (EST)

Is it okay?
I made an article for the Bowser Memory Koopa Troopa just because Bowser Memory Boo had it’s own article. I put all that I know about it so if you can please check it and see if it is good, I would appreciate it. Just please don’t delete it.
 * I just want to say that only higher-ranked staff members can delete articles. 18:19, November 19, 2021 (EST)
 * Yeah, looks good to me. I'm surprised it didn't already have an article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:37, November 19, 2021 (EST)
 * @Swallow, I thought he was a high-ranking staff member. My mistake. Sorry.
 * If you want to contact an admin or patroller about something, reference the color-coded wiki staff under who's online here, or check here or here. For the record, anyone can mark on an article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:05, November 22, 2021 (EST)

Super Mario Bros. Daizukan
i noticed your recent edits, while they are correct I want to provide an explanation for the original name: while the Japanese name is indeed Super Mario Daizukan, the book also has a logo with words written in Romaji: Super Mario Bros. Daizukan. Since that is not just a strict romanization, I gave priority to that name to name the book. Like before, you can reply here to keep the conversation easier to follow, especially when archived.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:28, November 20, 2021 (EST)
 * Oh, I didn't know that. My bad, I should've asked you first. Sorry, I'll go ahead and revert them. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:24, November 21, 2021 (EST)
 * Although, by the same token, why is the wiki referring to Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. as the decidedly less simple Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook as a source? LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:42, November 21, 2021 (EST)

Re:Debates and Proposals
I am glad you explained it clearly and understood what a dogmatic idea is. Next time, I’ll try to avoid setting the bar too high.

Strollin' Stu and Kug
Actually, if you watch Sunshine's original reveal trailer, you can see Strollin' Stus far closer to typical Goombas in design being spawned by the HinoKuri2 (which naming-wise sounds connected to Smolderin' Stu, but I digress); in the test level, it still spawns normal Strollin' Stus, but with the final design. This suggests to me that "Kug" is just a graphic of them from earlier in development, likely with a similar intent to the Strollin' Stu generators in the Beach Cannon's Secret {Ku(ri )g(enerator)?}. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:38, November 28, 2021 (EST)
 * You unfortunately can't recruit Beanbean natives (other than Peasley, who's a bonus). The enemy-only Goombas, Beanies, and Pestnuts are not listed next to each other in the enemy list, but the same can be said of Ice Snifit and the Chuck Guys. Regarding what Minions are classified as what, the four main groups each have six, with Goombas being Captain Goomba, normal Goombas, Paragoombas, Goomba Towers, Big Tail Goombas, and Private Goomp; Koopa Troopas being Captain Koopa Troopa, normal Koopa Troopas, red and green Paratroopas, Dry Bones, and Corporal Paraplonk; Shy Guys being Captain Shy Guy, normal Shy Guys, Spear Guys, Fly Guys, Bandits, and Sergeant Guy; and Boos being Captain Boo, normal Boos, Tail Boos, Bomb Boos, Big Boos, and Broozers; note that Bowser Jr.'s Journey may treat Broozers differently as our page on that has them listed away from typical Boo species. Anyways, back to Sunshine, I was looking at the original trailer with the HinoKuri walking around the Bianco Hills-looking area, you can see Goomba-looking things moving around its feet a lot, and considering its "head" is a helmet in the leftover model, it's likely a similar situation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:12, November 29, 2021 (EST)
 * I'm honestly not sure whether to classify it as a variant or relative. They're different enough to be like Thwomp and Whomp, which we currently have as relatives of each other, but they seem closer to Goombas than Beanies do. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:54, November 29, 2021 (EST)

Hide-and-seek Toad
Hi, does the Bowser's Inside Story Prima guide have a name for this particular character? Just wondering. 14:48, November 29, 2021 (EST)
 * We could go with "Toad tyke", but I think that's just too nondescriptive of a one-off name, and doesn't really tell us enough of who he is. Thoughts? 15:35, November 29, 2021 (EST)
 * Okay, thanks. 16:01, November 29, 2021 (EST)

Attack
When you changed the Digi-Koopa article, you changed “attack” to “animation.” Technically it’s an attack, because it attacks Bowser Memory M, shrinking it to normal size. Just because it helps you doesn’t mean that it is an animation. It attacks Bowser Memory M, meaning that it attacks.

Monty Mole Patch talk page
Hey, mind helping me find what the Koopa Troopa said in the 4koma strip I put on the Monty Mole Patch strip (I asked Maruigi and they simply guess it was about a notebook or something)? You can answer the questions to as well. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:07, December 6, 2021 (EST)

Cap Block proposal
I don't know if you noticed, but that Cap Block proposal now has an option to merge Metal Box after splitting Cap Block. The proposal is currently starved for voting attendance, so if it continues as is, it will NQ. 19:03, December 8, 2021 (EST)

“Graphic Swap”
What do you mean by that, exactly? Does rokkun share the same sprite or something? Somethingone (talk) 11:31, December 9, 2021 (EST)

Triforce Wiki
The domain can now be found at triforcewiki.com (which I think I alluded to some time back). :) I'll see if zeldawiki.info can remain a redirect. Results May Vary (talk) 16:42, December 9, 2021 (EST)

Choropūko
Hi, I replied to your comment on the Choropūko talk page. I hope you can respond soon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 10:40, December 11, 2021 (EST)

Uh… I hope this does not sound rude, but is it ok if you respond to my comment in the Choropūko talk page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:36, December 11, 2021 (EST)

Punctuation in reference tags
Remember our talk about this? I want to let you know that according to MarioWiki:Citations, "it's preferred to insert the tag after any punctuation such as a comma or period." Dwhitney (talk) 15:13, December 26, 2021 (EST)

thank you
Thank you for helping out on the DKC3 prototype article and fixing the links for me. I have been busy documenting the differences, so it still look a bit unpolished. Results May Vary (talk) 10:52, January 6, 2022 (EST)
 * Ah, thank you for asking. Yeah the Miraheze situation is a bit of a story. I ran out of money for web hosting, and I've wanted to do a few NIWA alternatives for Nintendo, SSB, and Pokemon wikis since at least 2020, but seeing as none of their NIWA counterparts are on Fandom, there was not any urgency to launch it. I remember on an SSB proposal I promised Waluigi Time and others that I was safely backing up the SSB content elsewhere, just as the Smash Bros. situation here can be a bit of a mess, esp because I think many here probably don't want to use SmashWiki. I didn't create The Kirby Encyclopedia (nor did I choose the site name), but I have a friend who made it and I decided to give it a makeover so that it looks even closer to the Mario Wiki style than WiKirby, which I feel has fallen from my attempt at making it like Mario Wiki. Miraheze is still a wiki farm, which isn't typically my thing, although I like how it allows for custom domains and that they regularly back up their wikis to the Internet Archive. Closest you get to "if Grifkuba were a wiki farm," I'd say. I bought the kirbywiki.com domain a month ago (crazy how it was available!) and would've assigned it to the wiki, but my friend prefers the Miraheze subdomain for now. Results May Vary (talk) 11:37, January 6, 2022 (EST)
 * The Mario Miraheze wiki -- I noticed someone was taking from Mario Wiki (earlier revisions) and so I tried to help them steer it in a more original direction and asked them to attribute to the original source as per CC-BY-SA requirements. As for ShoutWiki or Miraheze, I don't think they'll be bought out, but ShoutWiki is dying, and no https is not a good sign. I'm very lucky to have known Gamepedia was a trap and therefore avoid setting up Conker Wiki on it in mid-2018. I think for me and Miraheze & why it stand out is because of the archive.org backups (in case something goes wrong) as well as me owning the custom domains themselves. With Triforce Wiki being an exception, grifkuba doesn't want to host any other competitors to other NIWA wikis. Gamepedia was corporate from the start & marketed themselves as a rival to Wikia because of the infamous Oasis design at the time, but now they're on the same team! A bait and switch scam! But yeah, you gotta be careful. What was the ShoutWiki wiki that you wanted to edit but were afraid to? I'll leave you to figure out info regarding Kirby's gender as I would not know what to do there.
 * Also, regarding Kirby Encyclopedia, you said you were "asking for a friend" -- who is the friend? Results May Vary (talk) 20:55, January 6, 2022 (EST)
 * I'm an editor on FF Wiki and the founder of Wiki of Mana. A huge reason why I founded Wiki of Mana, admittedly, is because I'm not huge into the idea of turn-based RPGs, though they can sometimes be fun, and that I like how Mana games have more action and minimal RPG elements, kind of like the Warriors games. There's also the fact that FF is very close to so many other Square Enix franchises that just a single wiki would not be able to encompass it all. Mana especially, as it sometimes identifies as FF but sometimes does not. I made a coverage page on FF Wiki a while ago, which I adapted from here as I've seen some parallels between it and the Mario franchise. As for Grifkuba, they really, really need to update their website. Since Jiggywikki became a newly hosted wiki of theirs, they have received LOADS of newly hosted wikis, many of which I either founded (e.g. Spyro Wiki). I most recently helped the SaGa Wiki community off Fandom, and it's great because I would not have been able to do a SaGa wiki from the ground-up, especially because I would've mainly gone to elaborate upon the Final Fantasy Legend series info, the remakes in particular (as only the GB versions were localized as FF in North America). Results May Vary (talk) 09:34, January 7, 2022 (EST)

(c) Nintendo
Recalling Mister Wu's statements on guide legitimacy, would the same apply to serialized manga adaptations? I had a question on the other project about this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:06, January 8, 2022 (EST)

Krunch and his nameless colleague
Page 5 of the 64 manual for Diddy Kong Racing says "his crony frowned" shortly after a sentence ending with “asked Krunch", implying Krunch is the leader of the two minions. Delsait (talk) 18:32, January 8, 2022 (EST)

Sentence structure
Do you have the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia? If so, can this phrase be worded better: "the description of [a Pipe Cannon] and as the rest of the Super Mario Land enemies use a corruption of the original names from Nintendo Power"? Is this saying that the description of a Pipe Cannon and the descriptions of the other enemies use a corruption of the original names from Nintendo Power? Dwhitney (talk) 16:02, January 20, 2022 (EST)

Will you please answer my question? Dwhitney (talk) 15:26, February 11, 2022 (EST)

Xylophone move request
In this edit you've suggested that the page Xylophone should be moved. An English name has since been found, so there is no point in renaming an article to a Japanese name. Do you mind removing the request? Spectrogram (talk) 23:12, February 3, 2022 (EST)

Shogakukan Shellcreepers
Every other species in the picture is from Super Mario World, and the Dolphins are also portrayed inaccurately compared to their actual appearance in the game. Pretty sure the turtles actually are Koopas, not Shellcreepers. 13:21, February 25, 2022 (EST)

Yoshi's Story
Can you tell me if any Message Block in Yoshi's Story mentions "Heart Coin," and if so, what the quote is? Dwhitney (talk) 17:36, March 1, 2022 (EST)

Kirby no Kirakira Kizzu
On The Kirby Encyclopedia I made an article titled Kirby no Kirakira Kizzu, which I decided to name as such because it's a Japan-exclusive game & the Kirby's Super Star Stacker title was only cited from back when it was an upcoming title for North American regions, so I decided that the "released" title take priority & that I would use the Distinguish template to clarify that the Japanese name of Kirby's Star Stacker is identical. Is this how you would have gone about it? Results May Vary (talk) 08:01, March 2, 2022 (EST)
 * Interesting, as it reflects how the Japanese names of both games are identical. Results May Vary (talk) 13:27, March 3, 2022 (EST)

Some articles live on
So know how Mario Wiki has deleted some out of scope articles before (or redirected)? Some of them live on at Nintendo Wiki that I made (just figured you'd be glad to know), such as Game Boy Gallery and Flagman. I remember saving some of these (including some of the deleted images) as early as mid-2020, as I believed that perfectly good content needed a better or safer home to be relocated to. There's even Game & Watch article (there might've been some in-depth stuff cut from Mario Wiki). Currently I need to port over the Family BASIC and Game & Watch Collection 2 articles. Also the Arcade Bunny quotes. The King Dedede's Castle article is now on SSB Wiki as well. Results May Vary (talk) 13:07, March 12, 2022 (EST)
 * I remember backing up the Assist Trophy pages elsewhere a while ago, but need to gradually still publicize them. There's also the Pokemon article (it already lives on here and some of the Pikachu content lives on here). Results May Vary (talk) 13:25, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * Oh yeah, thank you for letting me know of the Doki Doki Panic -- I was unaware of that proposal (though I was aware of Panel de Pon... still need to publicize my alteration of that article as well). Results May Vary (talk) 13:27, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * Okay so here's a Panel de Pon article that I did on a private MediaWiki installation a while ago. I just now publicized it. It combines text of Mario Wiki & older Wikipedia revisions (attributed in edit summary) with rewriting where needed. What do you think of this? Results May Vary (talk) 11:32, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * Doki Doki Panic character articles have also been added, albeit redone mostly to remove redundancy (see links from Imajin's article there for the other char pages that I moved over). btw sorry if Miraheze doesn't seem like the best idea to you and perhaps some others (as they aren't independent MediaWiki installations) but I can't afford to host wikis anymore & Miraheze (at least for me, not trying to promote) is a viable solution for the mean time. My friend runs the Kirby wiki, and I actually own the kirbywiki.com domain (just need to somehow convince him to use it over miraheze.org subdomain). Results May Vary (talk) 14:58, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

Ground Pound
What's the quoted text about the Ground Pound in SM64 and/or SM64DS? Dwhitney (talk) 15:17, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * Okay, then, but apparently there's no confirmation that "ground-pound" is used as a noun in those games. So I don't think "ground-pound" should be used as a noun on those games' pages. "Pound the Ground" can be used on those pages where appropriate. Dwhitney (talk) 16:25, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

In case you're wondering why I sometimes hyphenate names of moves, it's to turn proper nouns into verbs. To me, it's better to do it this way than making verbs look like proper nouns, since verbs are usually not capitalized. Dwhitney (talk) 17:33, March 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * If part of a proper-noun-turned-into-a-verb is a proper noun (such as someone's name), I'd type the verb as "[capitalized name]-[main verb]." I've hyphenated proper nouns to make them verbs numerous times, and the admins don't seem to mind. Trust me, if capitalized names of moves are used as nouns, I'll spell them the way they are spelled as nouns in-game, since the titles of articles about moves are in noun form. Do you agree? Dwhitney (talk) 18:38, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

More NMS scans lately
Just letting you know that it appears someone has scanned more NMS Australia issues. I actually also bought NMS UK issue #49 as that hadn't been scanned online (doesn't appear to be part of what they scanned either) and to see if I can take a dive in and see what kind of names I can find. One thing of interest is that the Jan 96 issue actually shows an SMW2 web page on nintendo.com back in the day, before Wayback Machine even launched in late 96. Results May Vary (talk) 20:39, March 16, 2022 (EDT)

Re:
You will need to register an account and request a wiki here. I admittedly am often skeptical of hosts, but Miraheze does allow for custom domains (per request, though you'll need to own the domain yourself) and backs up their wikis to the Internet Archive (done by a volunteer there). I suppose my gut instinct tells me it will be ok, at least for time being.

Regarding Panel de Pon, thank you for providing some info about it. I do find the games addictive (I got Pokemon Puzzle Challenge for GBC) but I suppose, as a westerner, I'm glad that Tetris Attack, Pokemon Puzzle Challenge, etc. became a thing instead. :P I guess some of the points are that Mario Wiki isn't able to fit the full story of everything under its scope, as hard as we try. I'll see how I can try and incorporate the fact that Lina is Imajin's girlfriend, but I'm not good at citing Japanese info. I could def try with the Panel de Pon names. I'm just glad the previously redirected articles on Game & Watch, Panel de Pon, etc. at least have a home now.

As for NMS, yeah I was wondering if it had previously undiscovered info, especially because Rare is based in the UK. For some reason, even though I took a look at it, I didn't notice the difference with that DKC3 render in the magazine! Good catch! Sadly it's obscured by all that text. I never found the original Mario World 2 web pages to have been archived sadly, so that's why I showed those magazine scans to you. I knew of naming conflicts with the first Star Fox but was not aware of that with Star Fox 64. I didn't know that Super Mario RPG was around the time when Nintendo's relationship with Square collapsed (for N64/early GCN era), although it makes sense considering Final Fantasy VII was released the following year (1997). Confusing how both UK and Australia had magazines named Nintendo Magazine System at one point.

As for fan submissions such as the Mailbag, I think it counts because it be clarified as fan content within an official publication. :) Results May Vary (talk) 08:46, March 18, 2022 (EDT)


 * Ah gotcha, I'll use that for a citation then. Thank you! Results May Vary (talk) 12:38, March 18, 2022 (EDT)


 * I don't know how much Metroid you've played, but someone started a Metroid wiki titled Metroidpedia yesterday. I took no hesitation to adapt this wiki's Samus Aran article for the wiki (see here). Also, yeah I do own the metroidpedia.com domain as well & even kirbywiki.com (hopefully some day the wikis can use those as the domain names). Results May Vary (talk) 18:01, March 23, 2022 (EDT)

The mysterious case of Kamezard
You may already know this, but unused battle setups show the red-robed "Kamezard"/"Magikoopa" was originally envisioned as a generic enemy, likely a more powerful version of the scrapped blue "Kamek"/"Merlin". What this indicates to me is that the long-standing belief that the Magikoopa character in this game is the same as the one in SMW2 may in fact be false. The Psychopath (which all things considered likely predates the finalized battle setups considering the unused ones) seems more like an allusion to it rather than a serious indication they are the same person, and he could also just be a graduated Toady. I'm thinking of bringing this up on the talk page, but I wondered what your thoughts were and if you wanted to look further into it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:52, March 23, 2022 (EDT)
 * All very interesting, I'll need to mull this over for a while. On the subject of Toad there, is there any textual distinction between Toads and Yoshis for character and species in JP SMRPG, since for the former English still uses "mushroom" for the species? -tachi or -zoku perhaps? Now that Boom Boom and Birdo are both merged, I'm curious to see what other ambiguous recurring character/species can be, and in this regard SMRPG is a weird outlier (along with early western adaptations for Toad) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:09, March 28, 2022 (EDT)

It all covered, I think
Hi LTL, I think we got things all covered with regard to wikis on subjects with close similarity/crossover with Mario to some degree. Several are directly expanded upon the basis of this wiki's articles on other franchises (e.g. Slime from DQ in the Itadaki games):

Nintendo-related ones are: Nintendo Wiki (includes smaller Nintendo franchises & has broad scope fro those who like thing all in one place, even tho dedicated wikis might be preferred), SSB Wiki, Pokémon Wiki, Kirby Encyclopedia, Triforce Wiki (on Grifkuba), and Metroidpedia. I've often seen Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, Kirby, and Metroid listed as the biggest Nintendo franchises, so I'm glad we have some space to add those (even if Miraheze might not be everyone's thing).

As for others, we got: Dragon Quest Wiki, Final Fantasy Wiki, Wiki of Mana, SaGa Wiki (Mana & SaGa never connected with Mario, but are very close to FF series), Croc Wiki (Croc was supposed to be Yoshi game), Crash Wiki, Spyro Wiki, Banjo-Kazooie Wiki (aka Jiggywikki), Conker Wiki, and Rare Wiki (for Rare & their smaller franchises).

Long-term goal is making sure that these can be sustained in the long run. :D I know several of us feel strongly about how to cover things, the layout of articles, or even species/variants/notable member relations, so it's good if people are interested in making all these work in the long run. Results May Vary (talk) 11:47, March 24, 2022 (EDT)

Mario Story script
Do you have a Japanese PM64 text dump on hand? A question was posed on Tutankoopa's talk page regarding it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:18, March 27, 2022 (EDT)

Re: Spiked Melon Bug
That actually makes an unsettling amount of sense. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:58, March 28, 2022 (EDT)

Re:Metroidpedia et al
It definitely is nice to have the fallback option (also I fixed the Metroidpedia typo). I know that Doc didn't like how Metroid wiki would handle Zoomer/Geemer, but he's otherwise primarily focused on here & Triforce Wiki (the latter was a huge one that we got out of the way). I didn't know of the Sonic Encyclopedia either or that someone is making a Sonic wiki on Miraheze (there is someone making a wiki titled Sonic Archive, though it's advanced MediaWiki). Pacman, Rayman, and Bomberman I'm not sure how we'd go about. Results May Vary (talk) 21:49, March 28, 2022 (EDT)

Cap Switches
Ought we also include the small symbol-less switches from Melee's Peach Castle stage since those come in the same colors and spawn item blocks? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:13, April 3, 2022 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros encyclopedia
Recently, professional translator Zack Davisson went on a, ahem, passionate aside on social medias regarding the wiki's mention of him regarding the SMBE controversy, denying involvement in the parts we took objections too and that he only translated pages 238-255. I'm curious why he didn't specify so at the time, but, whatever.

As you've been rather involved in document the book's english edition on here, I am curious: did you happen to notice any obviously mariowiki (or fandom)-derived tidbits from that spread of pages? Just pure personal curiosity. --Glowsquid (talk) 13:20, April 4, 2022 (EDT)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. --Glowsquid (talk) 10:55, April 7, 2022 (EDT)

SM64 Moving Bars
Hey, so while collecting enemy attributes for my SM64 page overhaul, I noticed both Bowser in the Dark World and Bowser in the Sky had Bomp-like protrusions as platforms at different points. Do any guides put them under the same umbrella? Also, does Lethal Lava Land's giant metal wall slab have an official label anywhere? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:56, April 5, 2022 (EDT)

Fire Block move request
You've proposed that Fire Block (Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis) should be moved to Fire Block, but why? Fire Block is a disambiguation page and it doesn't seem like Fire Block from that specific game should take priority. Spectrogram (talk) 10:17, April 5, 2022 (EDT)

Family BASIC names
The problem with using just Bird is that it's not the primary name of the sprite. Nitpicker was preferred in the handbook as seen here. Tori-san appears only in parentheses like kame-san or kani-san, which we aren't using. We should stick with the original names like with Fireball instead of Fire, but link it to the articles with current names.--Platform (talk) 11:23, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

Mario Party pre-Megas
What are your thoughts on the various giant-sized Mario Party 9 bosses currently covered on the respective normal enemy's pages? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:06, April 9, 2022 (EDT)
 * I guess there's also the deal with MP3's normal Cheep Cheep being labeled as "giant"/"kyodai" in Superstars for Cheep Cheep Chase. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:38, April 12, 2022 (EDT)

Jungle Beat
I remember you having access to Jungle Beat guides and files, do you know if this hefty fellow has a name? If I'm not mistaken, its behavior is very similar to the squid guys. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:22, April 13, 2022 (EDT)

Expansion of some Mario enemy articles
I've expanded some Mario enemy articles to include in-depth information on their appearances in other series, particularly Zelda. This includes Thwomp, Thwimp, and Spiny. Hopefully some day Mario Wiki can have their own NIWA (but not limited to Nintendo wikis) Results May Vary (talk) 09:24, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * You know more about Japanese names and The Legend of Zelda than me -- I just, as I said, retroactively applied the research back into Mario Wiki. Perhaps this was overdue because of there being Zelda Wiki and also because we've been trying to figure out guest appearance/cameo distinction, so I think with Alleyway and soon Pinball having more coverage within the scope, I think this is good timing because it can further inspire others to broaden the scope of Mario-related subjects, even if it's in other Nintendo series. Perhaps some day, if done right, we could have series pages, esp Zelda, so then can list the history of every time Mario has crossed over (e.g. Nintendo Cereal System features both Mario and Link). Results May Vary (talk) 12:24, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * Come to think of I, I've decided to make a proposal over whether The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening should be classified as a guest appearance. Captain Rainbow and Densetsu no Starfy 3 have less Mario content yet have their own articles, so it's probably Zelda being a large series being why it hasn't received similar classification. Results May Vary (talk) 15:51, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * Appreciate you deciding to vote on both proposals (even if diff than what I had in mind). Thank you! As I stated on Koopa con Carne's talk, we might be a backdoor Nintendo wiki at this point (possibly a trojan horse for all these other Mario Wiki-style projects, such as Kirby, SSB, Pokemon, DQ, Nintendo, Metroid, etc.)  It was ironic that I made the Fandom proposal, considering I was the most vocally opposed to ZW in NIWA in 2019 (that cost me my status as a NIWA rep, which I'm honestly glad about), but I prefer people opposing it rather than administrators vetoing it. Actually, if ZD Wiki would change their name to something better (seeing as Zelda Wiki is already one of best name) then I would've been brave enough to make a proposal about prioritizing interwiki links to ZD Wiki over ZW (because a majority of the community here does not like the ZW situation) while keeping the ZW interwiki for the NIWA-related templates. I am glad that staff here is okay with us discussing wiki sideprojects, esp because NIWA would not like that we do at all. Results May Vary (talk) 11:26, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * I think regardless, we are making good progress. Some might think we created Triforce Wiki for this reason, but on Mario Wiki this is tying them directly to Mario enemies, albeit in a different franchise. Do you think could have its own article (there's some history, like with Nintendo Cereal System, the American cartoons, Mario Kart 8, etc) and perhaps be listed and clarified as minimal tier in Coverage just for all the connections to Mario (but clarify only mention/cover parts related to Mario while still giving SSB series higher tier)? Regardless, I do think expanding the scope of including Zelda-related derivatives of Mario enemies on this wiki is a good idea. Results May Vary (talk) 12:43, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * Actually I went ahead and created a proposal on The Legend of Zelda series regardless. Results May Vary (talk) 13:56, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I think Triforce Wiki, in some way, also served as a practice run for applying our Zelda-related research back into this wiki. I've even joked that it's about Mario and SSB content but that Zelda coverage is a side extra (mainly because I'm more of a Mario/DK person). Results May Vary (talk) 14:04, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * Oh yeah, I did state in the proposal that this was about creating a series article rather than individual game articles, esp for the Capcom games. Results May Vary (talk) 14:49, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * Thank you for adding to my points on that Zelda series proposal. I think some folks might feel alarmed because some are probably already sensitive to the SSB coverage issue here & they think it adds insult to injury. Slightly unrelated to that but I've been trying to think of ways to clarify aspects of Mario relation to SSB (e.g. in SSBM article I said that Adventure starts with a Mario & a DK stage, and that Bowser is a final boss and that his exclusive form, Giga Bowser, is also a final boss). Results May Vary (talk) 16:39, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

Looks like the Zelda series proposal is going to fail. I wonder if there could be a article because it bugs me that the Zelda games are stuck on the List of Mario references article because these are guest appearances, not cameos. Perhaps I could sandbox an idea of how such an article would look. Results May Vary (talk) 10:07, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * I prob jumped the gun with the Zelda series proposal. Even if that proposal fails, what then? We won't be able to relist it with better visualization of our ideas in mind. Best I can think of is that you or I do a draft on my userpage (not as subpage). I definitely agree with cutting down on ZW interwiki links, and it bugs me to see the uppercase series identifier in the interwiki link for ZW's Zelda series article, so I was assuming more people would want to get rid of that. Results May Vary (talk) 10:26, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * Good point. If seeing how the Link Awakening article go, one could perhaps in some months from now propose to broaden it into a Zelda series article, although what would that mean for Starfy and Punch Out "guest appearance" articles? Results May Vary (talk) 10:41, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
 * I'll go share some of your comments on my talk page with some others so that they could hopefully understand our perspective, as I worry it's been overshadowed (and I not doing this to try & sway votes either). Results May Vary (talk) 11:23, April 16, 2022 (EDT)

"Ghost-zoku" Fire creatures
From what I've gathered so far, the only source I know of in which fiery creatures are considered ghosts would indeed be their entries in the Daijiten, with Lava Bubble's profile section using ゴースト (Gōsuto) more than once (another fiery creature categorized under "ghost-zoku" besides Guriguri and Lava Bubble would be Fryguy). Also worth mentioning is that Lava Bubbles/Embers in the English version of TTYD have been referred to as "flame spirits" from their Tattle entries. --Zootalo (talk) 09:18, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

Thank you
Just wanted to thank you for all the wiki memories that we've had together since... 2019 or so :) Do you think Mario Wiki editors (or at least a number) are signaling a disconnect from NIWA to varying degrees, even if it still just them editing on this wiki alone? Afaik NIWA is very upset about some of these proposals (I've seen how they are & they don't like me or that I point out their hypocrisy and inability to admit fault at all). Results May Vary (talk) 12:18, April 16, 2022 (EDT)