User talk:Walkazo/Archive 6

Status: Busy as always. My weekends are free again, but university still takes up most of my time, so I can't be online as much as I'd like to be. However, if you have any questions about the Super Mario Wiki, feel free to ask away, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

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Everytime I see your edits, you somehow popped out from the wiki, and then you came back to make a quick edit before leaving. ...Then it repeats all over again. Why? :X I see that your working on the template elimination process. Go Walk! >;D
 * I usually don't have time for more than a few edits these days, so editing some pages out of the blue and disappearing is all I can manage for now. Tonight is the exception: no matter how much sleep it's gonna cost me, I'm gonna delete one of those accursed templates! - Walkazo 00:07, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Hey Walkazo, you certainly missed a lot of action lately. I hope your feet are warmed up for your doing... how are you doing? 23:45, 10 November 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I chose a bad week to catch up on RL stuff. Other than school being evil, I'm doing good. I'll PM you that list of stuff you asked for on the forums a while back when I get the chance - possibly this weekend, but I make no promises. - Walkazo 00:59, 11 November 2009 (EST)

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Hmph. I see. Pretty suspicious though don't you agree? The fact nothing was done until "I" did something certain people with more power than me didn't agree with? Hm. I think I see what's happened now. I'm not surprised. I could flip out right now, but I'm sure you understand how I must feel. Doesn't seem very fair does it?

Obviously I need to know some things though. Like... what IS going to happen now? What is this site actually going to do with character pages. You pointed out how broke apart they all are. Clearly something should be done to fix everything. You may or may not have noticed the Mario page (and some others) follow a ridiculous standard of making up some sort of chronological order not confirmed by anything. And other pages like the Koopalings are a mess thanks to the idea that equal means cramming everything together in a messy pile. Then, excuse me for being a bit biased, the Daisy page format of things which got it to be the featured article it is today.

Don't you think we should make something happen so that everything won't be so RIDICULOUSLY broken?

As you can see I'm trying to go about this for the good of the site rather than my personal loss of this failure of the mariowiki to support everyone fair power. Maybe if I wasn't so looked down upon this would've ended up differently. But I guess that's straying away from my question.

So? FD09

Well honestly I know the point of reverting my proposal was because of the problems and drastic changes the standard has seemed to have gone through, buuuut, doesn't it seem like a mistake to just end up saying: "We will keep everything the way it is now even though the whole reason everything is in disorder is because we have kept it this way for so long". What we need to do is go through and make a final decision as to how the pages should be set up for characters so that way we have something to work towards on all of them. If I don't have something they should all be set up for then I can't fix them, nobody can. Yes we have a standard but obviously it doesn't suit every page as a whole which is the reason it is so broken. We need to look at what each character page needs then set up the standard so that it can suit each page's differences while making them all similar enough to have a real standard.

I would make a proposal now. but I don't think people are going to understand what is wrong here. Even though they should. The fact my proposal was deemed a problem seems weird when I was trying to make the pages more like one another. So how am I supposed to fix a broken standard when I can't change it? This is backwards and I think you and every other person on this site with power knows it. This doesn't have to take years. It doesn't necessarily even have to take months. Why don't you help me fix this? Come on, it can be easy if we make it easy. FD09

Well well well well well. Hmm. For now, at least, I'm going to figure out a way to set up all of the character pages. I'm gonna try and look at the different ways character pages need to be set up in order to make a standard they can all follow. I know we can't change it now, but I can at least make a plan to make everything right. Still, I'll have to change the pages regardless. Is there like, a page that shows what the current standard is supposedly? FD09

Your Koopa Taxonomy Project
Are you still working on this? If so, where can I find it? 13:13, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Enough's Enough
Alright, this time TimeQ has done something personal. Rather than edit all of the pages with broken formats, including their bio's, TimeQ has gone to the Daisy page and incorrectly placed all other media information in the main biography. He basically just through everything in there. This is ridiculous. It is obviously a personal attack on me. TimeQ has no real interest in Daisy other than using her page to insult me with the fact he already got my whole proposal removed. This time it's personal, it's obvious. FD09

Okay. After what seemed like days (lol hours) of talking to TimeQ, Daisy's page basically just got hit by a semi-truck. I don't know what we're doing. We literally just need to fix the character pages pronto. I know their format deals with other pages like items or whatever. I (and other users) are willing to fix it now. Clearly this standard isn't working and it's not working anytime soon. Would you please come together with me and others to actually decide on what to do to format this. We can't just wait 'til it fixes itself anymore. We need to act now and do it right. It will NOT be hard, No more excuses. FD09
 * Discussing is a very good idea. What makes this so hard is that all the time you complain about how broken our standard is, and that it doesn't work. Actually, that's in diametrical opposition to my point of view. I can't see AT ALL how it doesn't work, and itnmy opinion the current standard is the only way to get rid of any notion of "canon" whatsoever. We don't have Biography sections anymore (mainly because it's hard or impossible to establish a "biography" when there's so many different and contradictory sources). Now we have History sections, and comic and film appearances belong to a character's history just as the game appearances. Well, I stated why I think we should keep our standard. Maybe you, FD09, should go on stating what exactly bugs you about the policy. 17:46, 19 November 2009 (EST)
 * That "I" complain about it. Clearly you saw walkazo agreed when we were talking about it. Also, I don't see why you seem to act like you don't know what we think is broken about the standard when that was the whole point of the proposal. There's A LOT wrong with it. Basically each character page is different, many character pages still don't follow the current standard, and the reason comics cartoons and video games aren't split up in the biography right now is not because it makes a canon, as shown when my proposal PASSED. You seem to think it was taken back because people agreed with your silly idea of canon nonsense. Even after the proposal passed you looked past the fact that it was for nothing more than BETTER organizing of the pages history section. Every character page should be similar enough to have no confusion. You just don't get it. Simply looking at different pages should be enough to understand what's wrong with them. They're all different, and it's because the standard is not good enough. FD09
 * Um... Could you guys perhaps wait until after Walkazo responded to all this before going on further here? Also continuing the previous discussion on her talk page is kinda... meh o_O - 18:04, 19 November 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah you're right. I'd move what I said to TimeQ's talk page but I wasn't TRYING to talk about his silly opinions. I was just trying to fix things. Now we have another argument because TimeQ doesn't "understand". FD09
 * You're right, Edo. Sorry for abusing your talk page, Walkazo. We need a central place where we can discuss all that. Unfortunately I can't think of any. If we move the discussion to one of our talk pages now, it hardly stays traceable... 18:08, 19 November 2009 (EST)

W/E I'm just going to wait until walkazo comes on. Laters. FD09
 * Wouldn't it make sense to move it to MarioWiki talk:Manual of Style? After all, the corresponding page talks about how pages should be organized, including the "history" section. 02:20, 20 November 2009 (EST)
 * I agree with 2257. It'd be a lot easier to continue a discussion of this caliber of importance on a community talk page, rather than a user talk page. 02:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)