User talk:Lord Falafel

Hey
As long as you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't need to worry about being a vandal or troll. If you did something wrong, someone will let you know, so you don't need to say that with every message.

That said, when checking information on any wiki (especially wikia), make sure your sources are correct. Luigi definitely didn't debut on a Game Watch seven years after his actual debut, and I never heard of those games. 21:36, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

I meant Luigi's hammer toss game was the first game to give Luigi his first role without Mario. It was his first solo game. I know you haven't heard of those games. But now you have. I must make sure your knowledge of how many Mario games, donkey kong games, Tetris games and Mario character games that are not Mario's own games there are is expanded along with the knowledge of all the other wiki members. Not that you're dumb, but you just don't have everything covered. I can help this wiki mention all of those games. Please let me help you. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:48, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

We got super Mario bros pinball back on the list! We did it! I have a question. How often should I make edits to the list? Lord Falafel (talk) 12:13, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * (Apparently a pinball machine counts as an arcade)
 * If there's any games missing, they should be added. I don't know if we should include Flash games or not, though. 12:18, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

We should. And the play Nintendo games. And all the other games I sent you. Including the arcade games. They are all made and endorsed by Nintendo. I'll add some games right now. If a page for a game doesn't exist, please make one. If you wish to find the donkey kong pinball machine with no country in the title that is less common than the donkey kong country pinball machine and both are tabletop electronic pinball games and not life size machines like super Mario bros pinball or super Mario bros mushroom world, or any of the other games I told you about, you can find them through the sources I mentioned. It's a little tricky it seems for me to add new systems and platforms for some of my sent games. So, I need you to add Adobe flash, play Nintendo, the Nintendo arcade series called Nintendo super system, the electronic tabletop pinball machines and project Atlantis. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:36, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Where are you getting the Game Watch information from, anyway? 13:35, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

3 sources: list of Mario games Mariowiki fandom powered by wikia (the list of games in alphabetical order), list of games featuring Mario Wikipedia and game watch guys. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:44, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * The wikia and Wikipedia themselves are not valid sources. Who are the Game Watch guys? 13:45, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * And looking at Wikipedia's list, there's nothing about Luigi's Hammer Throw, Mario's Egg Catch, or Toadstool's Castle Run. 13:48, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I thought they were valid sources. These are real games and their release dates and regions and manufacturers are correct. They were all endorsed by Nintendo. Please trust me and please keep these games on the list. The game watch guys are people on a website called gamewatchguys.com and they archive wrist watch LCD games from different developers. They've done a pretty good job archiving all those tiny little watches and gathering their information. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:50, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust the source. The Game Watch Guys seem valid as they actually have images of the Game Watches to go with the titles.
 * But unless you can prove the titles on Wikia and Wikipedia exist, they aren't going to stay on the list. 13:53, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Look up list of Mario games. If you find a page called list of Mario games Mariowiki fandom powered by wikia, click on it. The one that lists the games alphabetically. That page has the 3 games you just told me. Wikipedia doesn't. Wikipedia also doesn't mention Dr Mario game watch, but the game watch guys do. And they seem pretty reliable. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:54, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * ahem. Can't tell if it's official, but it likely is. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:56, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * Again, Wikia is not a valid source themselves. They can have sources of their own, though, which can be valid.
 * Looking more on the Game Watch Guys site, I found watches branded under "Nintendo". These include the three games, with images even, which is all I was asking for. 13:58, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Well, Google images can show you the images of all of them except for super Mario bros 2. There's also a YouTube channel called sly dc who uploads videos of game watches and some of them I mentioned are on his channel. Unfortunately, information on the super Mario bros 2 watch is scarce and I can't seem to find any images on it. There might be websites that mention all the other watches. Take off the super Mario bros 2 watch only because the other games have images on Google and reliable sources. If I find anymore information about super Mario bros 2 watch and an image, I'll let you know. I better add other games. Lord Falafel (talk) 14:07, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Maybe I should edit in extra platforms. It's not that bad. I did 1, I should do the others sometime soon. Lord Falafel (talk) 15:27, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

My Mario motors link is leading to the recurring Mario kart element, rather than the build for the unreleased Mario kart game of the same name and I think we should take super Mario world game watch off the toys category and give it a page of it's own. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:01, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * List_of_unreleased_media 16:08, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Help me with project Atlantis and virtual boy. I messed up their libraries. Mario's castle is an unreleased game for an unreleased Nintendo console and because of my editing mistake, it says on the list of games organized by system that it was a virtual boy game and none of the virtual boy games are under the virtual boy anymore. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:20, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I fixed the problem. Lord Falafel (talk) 16:27, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

What is Super Mario Bros. 3 (Mini Piccadilly)? 16:53, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Another game in the toys category that I think should not be there. It's the arcade pachi slot game. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:10, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I added the arcade game called Mario world without the super and the link leads to a place in super Mario RPG: legend of the seven stars. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:09, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I did it. I added all the games. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:50, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

Consecutive edits
Hello, please use the "Show preview" button, so you can iron out mistakes before saving rather than flooding the recent changes with lots of minor edits. Thanks! 16:55, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * In response to this, the show preview button is to the left of the save button. 21:24, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Is that how I make a gap in between the electronic tabletop pinball machines and the game watches? Just asking. Lord Falafel (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I made the same mistake twice. This is what I have to type down in order for systems to have gaps.
 * } Lord Falafel (talk) 21:46, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Now, I don’t want to get banned for a fake reminder, but you have been asked Not to flood the page, but you still do it. Please stop. If I made a mistake in this, please tell me. 21:49, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I will stop flooding it. But I can't help it if my memory is bad. I just need to make one more platform article with games and that will be it, unless I find more games and systems. I sincerely apologize for causing you so much trouble. I will edit that last platform tomorrow. I should slow down and take a break. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:21, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

I decided that I should write down 2 more platforms and the other platform has a game. But the one I mentioned first has lots of games. But I will do that tomorrow. And because I probably live in a distant part of the earth, probably thousands of miles away from all of you, time is different all around the world and tomorrow where I live is a certain amount of time away. But I will make those 2 edits tomorrow, one of which is pretty long. Oh and I'm appealing you. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:14, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Fine, I won't appeal you. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:17, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * *sigh* edit another artical then you can edit list of games 3 more times, article, 3 more times. Etc... But if you don’t... then a warning will be issued, also, go to the desktop version. Click edit at the top. Then you can edit the entire page, thanks. 09:43, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

No need. My work here is done, unless I find more games and systems. There's nothing left for me to edit. You're not gonna give me a warning for not editing the page, are you? Not trying to be mean. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:49, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Edit one more time and I will, please, edit more things, it seems like you have great intel, please stay and help, just make sure to read the rules. 09:51, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you need help editing, ask an administer or rules, admins are names that are Light blue, Green, purple, and/or the maker of the wiki, Porplemontage, name in orange. 09:57, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

I don't need help editing. All I did was forget to type |} Lord Falafel (talk) 10:01, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * ? Ok??? 10:03, May 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Since the reminder, Lord Falafel is not doing anything wrong. 11:17, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

Thank you for defending me. I'm going to make more edits. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:33, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

I think I fixed my last self mistakes. And right now, I don't have anymore information about missing games, systems or ports. If I ever get another notice, I want it to be genuine. But I hope I don't. I've been very helpful in adding missing content. I hope you're all grateful for that. I don't need any notices, warnings or bans. Without me, you guys wouldn't have this stuff covered. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:49, May 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Wow. That is incredibly rude.
 * Thanks for finding more information on the games, though making the pages to provide sources and information should be the next step. Considering how simple the Game Watch titles are, I wonder if we can just make a large article...  12:56, May 28, 2019 (EDT)

I think we can. And if we do, the super Mario bros 3 watch will have to lose it's own page and be with the other game watches on one page. Lord Falafel (talk) 13:03, May 28, 2019 (EDT)
 * Actually, the way our coverage is regarding individual games is they all get their own pages. Super Mario Bros. 3 (game watch) has good information and shows an article can stand on its own, but I don't know if this can apply for the rest. I think a Game Watch article can be made, but going over the Game Watches generally with a list of them, not a collection of information on the games.
 * This can probably be discussed at a later time, though, once a more solid idea is in place. 13:12, May 28, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Adobe flash games
Thanks for notifying me about those games, but I have already documented them (Mario's Memory Madness, Wario's Whack Attack). 09:56, May 29, 2019 (EDT)

I added 2 more Adobe flash games. If you have any more, please add them to the list of games organized by system. Lord Falafel (talk) 12:34, May 29, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Missing console
Intriguing, but do you know of anything Mario-related that was planned for it? If not, maybe it can be a footnote in the Virtual Boy article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:08, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

Sadly, I do not. Lord Falafel (talk) 17:14, June 4, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then it looks like there isn't much we can say about it, but I've added a quick bit about its cancelation in favor of Virtual Boy in the production section of the Virtual Boy article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:12, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

That's all that matters. At least it's covered, now. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:28, June 4, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Browser or flash games
I will let you know, but so far I only know of the ones that were listed on Nintendo's site and those that show up in SKELUX's videos/database. And they are all already covered, sans a few that seem to have disappeared completely off the face of the Internet, leaving behind only their names (Wario: Master of Disguise Trivia, Yoshi's Egg Toss, Super Paper Mario Memory Match...) 17:39, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

Minor edits
If you're fixing a small mistake, typo etc. please be sure to mark the edit as "minor" by ticking the "This is a minor edit" checkbox. Editing the whole page at once (clicking the "edit" tab at the top of the page) and looking out for fixes there (as opposed to finding more after already making an edit) also saves on dispersed individual edits like these. 02:27, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. Did you see what link did? Unbelievable. I worked so hard trying to perfect this page and what does he do? He reverts many of our edits like they're mistakes. This is coming from the same guy who I told about the Nintendo super visor. And he added that to the wiki. He did me a favor. If anyone on this wiki is in favor of his banning, say I. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:57, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * He doesn't get a ban for that. Anyone can change information on the wiki, though I agree it should've been discussed with you first. I also agree with him, though; games that weren't meant to have a full release shouldn't be on the list, better left to tech demos or List of unreleased media. And shampoo bottles? Those are even video games. 11:02, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Are they anywhere else on the wiki? Lord Falafel (talk) 11:10, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Er, he has access to as many pages as you do. 11:12, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * I misunderstood your question. No, I do not believe the shampoo bottles are on the wiki, but they will probably fit here if anywhere. 12:17, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

If this happens again, I will be forced to take extreme measures. These are my edits and no one touches them. Lord Falafel (talk) 11:15, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's not how this works. There are no "measures" you can take for this. Anyone can make changes to your edits at any time. His removal was not done as an action against you, he's trying to clarify what it means for games to be on the list. 11:17, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Click on this picture for a help. -- 11:39, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * There's no minor edit box on mobile. 11:40, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * Second hint, if you're having trouble with doing it, scroll down the the bottom of the page, and click on "Desktop view" to be able to do so. -- 11:41, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Too far
Ideas don't really belong on the list of games since they never officially entered a phase of production where they can actually be considered canceled. If we document every time a concept entered the head of a Nintendo employee or potential licensee (which would be fruitless), that would heavily bloat the existing list, and we already have a section on the list of unreleased media where known pitches neatly fit. Same goes for the tech demos - they aren't designed for the public and already have their own article. Your contributions are appreciated, but this basically goes with the rule of once and only once. I am curious what you meant by "Shampoo Bottle" however (note that the "list of games" is meant for video games). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:25, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Look up sonic shampoo games on Google images and browse the gallery and select some images and click related images and maybe you'll find all 4 of those Mario and donkey kong shampoo bottle games Lord Falafel (talk) 14:51, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Citation
Can you be more specific? LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:15, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

It's a Wikipedia page you can find if you use the Google search engine. There are a few sections in the page. One of them is called unreleased games. Lord Falafel (talk) 15:18, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * We don't rely on wikis as a source on its own, and looking it up, it's an unofficial homebrew, not an actual commissioned project. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:25, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Another page
You should ask an admin about that, but I'm pretty sure information about unofficial media can almost be an entirely different wiki itself. The closest is the list of Mario knockoffs acknowledged by Nintendo. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:36, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * You're not the first user to ask this question, and likely won't be the last. We aren't covering any unofficial material that isn't acknowledged by Nintendo, which includes bootlegs and second-hand products. 16:01, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Shampoo bottle
I looked these shampoo bottles up; they look more like toys than actual games to me, as far as the little "game" you play in the small screen on the bottle goes. If you find images and sources to prove their authenticity, then you may add them somewhere in the Toys or Miscellaneous merchandise gallery. Otherwise, I don't think they belong in the list of games or deserve to have their own articles, especially since they all work exactly the same... 17:02, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Tips
I see you're very enthusiastic about adding cancelled and obscure content on pages. That's all very nice but I gotta give you some pointers, because you need them.


 * Make sure the content you add fits: LinkTheLefty's decision to revert your edit on the List of games was entirely justified: it's a list of video games, it's in the name. Adding ideas that were floating around the office without going any legitimate steps of production, tech demos and soap bar things with water games is outside the scope of the page. There's also multiple instances of you adding homebrew creations that had no involvement from Nintendo or its licensees, which is explicitely outside the wiki's coverage. Before adding content, make sure to properly determine it makes sense for it to be there on the page and the level of information that is appropriate for the page you're adding it to. A page like Mario (franchise) shouldn't have complete plot summaries and list of everythings in games for example, just concicse summaries of what's notable about it.
 * Familiarize yourself with wiki markup: From your fumbling on the List of unreleased media, it's rather obvious you don't quite understand how to input wiki templates and how they're used. Everything in and Help:Contents will help you get up to speed.
 * Make use of proper sourcing: When adding content, make sure hard details are sourced, and please use credible ones: justifying an edit with "This is what the Wikipedia page on X says" as you've done on many page is unacceptable. Citations explains our policy, but really, I'd recommend looking at the infinity of online ressources regarding properly journalistic sourcing etiquette and what consitutes a good source. Trust me, it'll help.
 * Fix your attitude: I get being upset when your edits are reverted or when there's a policy you disagree with. We've all been there. But flipping out and calling to ban another user for reverting one of your edit (as you did above) or making threats is not going to work, and you're not going to last long if you can't show a willingness to deal with others in good faith. Bragging statements like "[...] I've been very helpful in adding missing content. I hope you're all grateful for that. I don't need any notices, warnings or bans. Without me, you guys wouldn't have this stuff covered. aren't going to endear you to other editors either. Being protective of your additions is especially silly, because, well, nothing you do here belongs to you (and if you don't know why I'm saying that, I recommend looking at the helpful link at the bottom of every page).

Really, you shouldn't make it your mission to "popularize" stuff: adding legit stuff that's not yet on the wiki and putting it everywhere applicable is dandy, but generally, making sure your additions are of a high level quality and actually make sense to be where you put them should be priortized over being The First to add something to the internet. With all that said, happy editing. --Glowsquid (talk) 22:20, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

About the Mario ice capades summary, all I wanted to do was make sure I didn't write 2 or 3 lines. It's because I'm autistic that all of this is happening. I have hormonal and mental imbalances. I apologize for my strange behavior, but I don't wanna let every Mario fan down. If I had a computer, it'd be easier to credit my sources, but I'll try to improve. Lord Falafel (talk) 23:14, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Another list
We already have Category:Games for that.

Re. your post on citations on Glowsquid's talk: What do you mean by "can't"? 01:50, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's pretty much impossible to cite my sources on a mobile device Lord Falafel (talk) 01:56, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * It's not impossible at all, it just takes a little longer. That's how editing is for everyone sometimes, it's tedious work. If you're able to do all those edits, you're able to add a reference. 02:25, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * I need help from people to cite my references. I have to go to bed. Lord Falafel (talk) 02:30, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


 * Again, you're capable and responsible for citing it yourself; you can't have other editors obligated to do it for you out of unwillingness to do so on your own. Simply follow this format (if there's no author or date, you can remove those) as outlined on Citations, and if there's anything tripping you up, you can ask. 03:08, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Something urgent
(Putting this on your page as well)

He said he made the threads so others could help with the article creation, since he's not involved in editing anymore.
 * - Super Mario World (arcade)
 * - Swanky no Bonus Slot
 * - Mario Roulette
 * - Piccadilly Circus: Super Mario Bros. 3
 * - Super Mario Bros. 3 (Mini Piccadilly)
 * - Super Mario World (Mini Piccadilly)
 * - Mario World (arcade)
 * - Televidenwa: Super Mario World
 * - Būbū Mario
 * - Mario Undoukai
 * - Koopa Taiji
 * - Super Mario Attack
 * - Dokidoki Mario Chance!
 * - Super Mario Kart Dokidoki Race
 * - Super Mario World no Popcorn Hanbaiki

He's compiled all available information into these posts. Most has been lost to time, but it's possible more information can be found today. If you want to make the pages that aren't already there, you can; all the available information is there. 18:32, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

I clicked one of the red links and read all the tips I need to follow to make a page. I can't do it. I'm sorry, but it's too hard for me. You're going to have to find someone else to make pages for all the games I added to the list of games organized by system that have red links. They can find the pictures and sources and information if they read my "missing games" discussion I created for the discussion board for the list of games organized by system from me to you. I have failed porplemontage, I have failed linkthelefty, I have failed Mario jc, I have failed you and I have failed the entire Mario fan base. I feel so stupid. Lord Falafel (talk) 19:24, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
 * Whoa whoa, you haven't failed anything! Or anyone. Were you trying to please someone?
 * It's a little daunting at first, definitely. This was my first page creation, lot of mistakes here. You can work on as much as you can, maybe even in a personal sandbox.
 * But if you don't feel like you're up to it, that's perfectly fine! Can always try again later. 20:05, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

I wasn't trying to please anyone. I was trying to educate the Mario community. Lord Falafel (talk) 20:08, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Alphabetical error
Okay, but why are you telling me this? 01:37, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Because you've been on this wiki longer than I have. Lord Falafel (talk) 01:38, June 18, 2019 (EDT)


 * I don't see how that's relevant. You can correct that error yourself. 01:45, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Oh, you were referring to my edit on List of unreleased media, sorry. But that's part of wiki editing, fixing any errors you might spot, so thanks. 07:21, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

Face Raiders
Because there is nothing Mario-related in it, unlike AR Games and StreetPass Mii Plaza. 22:49, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Based on the pictures in the 3DS page on the game, I thought there was Mario related stuff. But ok. Lord Falafel (talk) 22:52, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

Reminder
You're still not sourcing your info on obscure material, not even mentioning anything in the summary. You might know about it, but many readers won't - that's why it's important to have a source to let them know it's legitimate. There's no rush at all getting the info up so please start citing references for your edits (saying where you got it from in the summary alone is not enough). Any that isn't will be removed. 00:41, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

Please tell me which pages you're specifically talking about and I will do my best to cite my sources. Lord Falafel (talk) 00:54, June 19, 2019 (EDT)


 * The lesser-known games you added to List of games (i.e. the red-linked ones besides the Play Nintendo ones) would be a good start. 07:25, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

I can't directly give them all to you. My linking skills are in their infancy. But on my talk page, there's a box called RE: something urgent. Open it and you'll find links to all the games borp archived on arcade coverage on the Mario boards. There will be lots of information for you there regarding those games. Lord Falafel (talk) 09:46, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

I did source many games on the discussion board for the list of games organized by system and the discussion those games and sources are in is called missing games. Lord Falafel (talk) 10:14, June 19, 2019 (EDT)