MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

New Features
''None at the moment.

Removals
''None at the moment.

Allow Support Votes to be Removed on Nomination Pages?
For this proposal, I think that users should be able to vote for the removal of support votes on FA nomination pages. I mean, we can vote to remove oppose votes, but what about support votes! Users might support articles to become featured because they like that certain character that was nominated or they might not make a good reason on why they supported. Other users should have the right to choose on to delete those or not.

So, here's how it would go: Users can vote on if they want to remove a support votes or not. If three users, including an admin, support for the removal of that vote, we can delete it. Good, right?

Proposer: Deadline: Wednesday, Dec. 16, 2009 (5:00 EST)

Be able to remove support votes

 * 1) Per above.
 * 2) - I suppose we must trust our sysops (though I don't know why it doesn't extend to all admins) to make the right decision in the end as that is why they were promoted, per Fawful Phew Ree65.
 * 3) I still see some supports that sound a lot like fan votes, but maybe the SYSOPs are little slow in deleting fan votes. Some other support votes sound like fan votes but with the word "article" instead of the character's name in it.
 * 4) I've seen a lot of support votes that say "oh i love *insert character here*!" when we're supposed to give a good reason.

Leave as is

 * 1) - I think our current policy is fine.
 * 2) - Per Tucayo. Besides, the oppose votes are really what keep a page from getting features, not support votes.
 * I do NOT think our current policy is fine, since the proposal has passed that allowed admins to remove support votes. So of course I don't agree with this proposal either. I explained a thousand of times why removing support votes is pointless, and I'm tired of doing it again and again. Please read my reasons here. In short: Support votes do no harm, and no, they should NOT be treated the same as oppose votes, since they serve a totally different purpose. Opposers need to state what is wrong about an article, but supporters CANNOT state what is "good" about an article without reciting the FA requirements, which would be pointless and redundant.
 * 1) -- I can't think of any reason an admin would ever agree to remove a support, but still, the idea behind this proposal is pointless. Oppose votes are really the only ones that matter. Per Time Q.
 * 2) - If the reasoning Time Q provided, that an article cannot be featured without complete support, then I don't see a reason to change it now. Just make that a bit more clear or obvious.

Comments
Well, we already have that rule that the most blatantly annoying votes (aka fan votes) can be removed from the support section. I cannot think of another kind of vote that would be useless enough to justify its removal. I don't think this rule change is necessary, since support votes are basically useless after the nomination got five of them. Can you provide an example of a vote you'd like to remove? -

Well, supports shouldn't be moved for fan votes only. When people oppose and just say something like "this is a terrible article" with no reason why, people can vote to remove that, but if someone supports saying something like "this is a great article!" why can't users vote to remove that? All votes that don't give a reason on why they supported and think the article is great really should be removed...

@Marioguy1: By all admins, you're saying sysops and patrollers, right? I'll change that I guess. I really want this to be like removing oppose votes.

Uh, you know people this days may load up the support with fan votes and we may get into a huge mess just trying to remove one at a time. But I do agree that "this article is good" isn't enough. In that case, some people may think many grammar errors are ok, but others think it is horrible. Fawful: Yes, that is what I mean - Admins=Sysop, Patroller, Bcrat, that other rank...
 * @MG1 - Whether or not all ranks of admins can have the same privilages seems to be outside the power of proposals, so I'd take that up elsewhere.
 * @Stooben - Just because an article is nominated doesn't mean it should be featured just because. Removal of oppose votes protects an article from not being featured for baseless reasons, but what if the article is supported for baseless reasons and doesn't deserve to be featured? We need to protect the honor of what a featured article means just as much as the process of getting to it. If the article truly deserves it, then a removal of supports privilege won't change anything. Redstar 01:19, 10 December 2009 (EST)
 * I don't know if you are used to the wiki's FA nomination system rules yet, so I better explain them. Unlike the Proposal page, the ratio of support and opposal votes actually doesn't matter, they don't affect each other. Support votes have only any impact on the nomination as long as there are less than five. If the amount of support votes meets five, the nomination becomes valid and the article will be featured after a set amount of time. However, if someone opposes the nomination, the whole process becomes stalled. The article will then not be featured until the pointed-out flaws are rectified. The opposal vote is then removed. Because of this, one single opposal vote is able to outnumber all given support votes, and this is why opposal votes are watched much more strictly than support votes, or at least that's how I was told about it. We had a Proposal about removing fan votes some time ago and I am glad it passed, but I think this is as far as we can go... -

I vote for the removal of Reversinator's vote since unlike what he says, supporters of an FA nomination are NOT supposed to give reasons for their vote.
 * Ok, I dont want another discussion, but TimeQ, if they do not give any reason at all they will be removed...
 * Well, under the current rules that were enforced by the proposal I linked above, any admin can arbitrarily remove votes they don't like (well, in the wording of the proposal, those that "do anything but help", but who is to judge what falls under that description?). There is NO rule stating that every support vote needs to have a "good reason", as Reversinator puts it.
 * Any support vote should at least refer to the article it supports. I think this doesn't ask for too much. And now let's please end this discussion. It was started one time too often. -
 * I certainly won't end the discussion, as we're here to do just that: discuss the matter.
 * Yes, exactly. We are here to discuss the matter. The matter that is listed above, not the matter of something else. I tried to prevent the discussion from going off-topic. If you want the discussion to derail though, then go ahead ;3
 * Sorry, I misunderstood you then. You're right that this isn't exactly the topic of the proposal. But it's a very similar discussion (what are support votes worth, what are oppose votes worth, etc.).

Ok, I dont plan to argue again :)You can make a proposal to revert that, or even veto it...
 * I might propose to revert it sometime, but of course I won't veto it. Obviously there's no consensus among the admins, so I wouldn't even be allowed to.

Make a Limit for the Length of Comments on this page
Okay, I know I'm not the only one who's noticed this, but I'm going to be the one to do something about it. The proposal comments have gotten ridiculous. Comments aren't supposed to be these insanely long paragraphs that argue with what the other users may say. It takes a long time to scroll down all the comments, and then it's hard to even find where one proposal starts and one ends (At least that's the impression I get)! And it's just missing the point when half the comments in the section are not even about the said proposal! Here's what I want to do about it:
 * I'm not trying to silence other users who have a short and sweet opinion, but I want the users who drag it out too much to STOP. Comments should not be whole paragraphs like the ones above. I want to reduce the length to, let's say, 4 to 6 sentences.
 * Comments that have nothing to do with the proposal should be deleted. This includes arguments about deleting votes. That stuff should be done on Talk Pages.

Proposer: Deadline: Monday, Dec. 14, 2009 (8:00 EST)

Shorten Comments

 * 1) -Per me above.
 * 2) I completely agree with Funky!!! Removing votes comments belong on talk pages! The comments section should only be for questions and answers, and just stuff that won't make huge conversations/arguments.
 * 3) I think those ridiculously long comments that act like walls of text should get removed. If a user wants to make a point, he/she should at least make it short, but clear. I also dislike when comments take up like, half the proposal page.
 * 4) "I think those ridiculously long comments that act like walls of text should get removed." - This says all. :P
 * 5) - Yes, some users can write what they thing, and forget. They literally can be writing a short novel for all we know about a thought that have. If we want to make it long, do it on the proposer's talk page or this talk page (that is why we have it!).

Leave as is

 * Sorry, but this proposal is ridiculous. If there's much to discuss about a proposal, you can't just suppress that. If certain users tend to write overly long and off-topic comments, kindly tell them. But a general rule is really pointless.
 * 1) - There are plenty of good reasons why long, wordy debates can be held in the Comments sections, and they often lead to improvements of the original proposal, better understanding of ideas, and more developments down the road. As Time Q already explained, Users (and especially Administrators, who are charged with policing this and any other discussion pages) already have the right to ask for off-topic or inflammatory discussions to be taken elsewhere or ended all together, so this proposal would only add restrictions to the meaningful comments.
 * 2) As Time Q and Walkazo have already explained, this proposal is point less because long comments can explain more than 4 to 6 sentences could while being grammatically correct.
 * 3) I won't like this proposal to pass because sometimes long comments are useful and necessary. I don't like long meaningless comments though, so until the proposer changes the wording (such as "remove unnecessary long comments"), I am opposing this.
 * 4) - Fraid I'm gonna have to agree. No limiting comments as some comments must be long to get a user's point across if they are trying to point something out. We already have people who think we're too strict thanks to the no-sig policy. Imagine what they say if we limit the amount of sentences you can add to the page! Per Thyme Que.
 * 5) - I don't necessarily feel things should be "left as is", but I do oppose this proposal. An alternative should be considered.
 * 6) -- Per Time Q. Ridiculous proposal.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) - Per Time Q and Walkazo.
 * 9) - I'm not an user who likes to make speeches on discussions, but I know that limiting an user's arguments is unfair and incorrect. As for out-of-topic comments on proposals, any user can stop these discussions by sending an advice on them, avoiding confusions for other readers and conflicts out of place.
 * 10) - Per Coincollector
 * 11) - Yup. Ridiculous.

Comments
Hmm... I don't know if limiting the comments to four to six sentences is the right solution... Though I fully agree with you that the comment sections have gotten very long and hard to overlook. I will think about this for a while. -
 * Well, I suppose I could change that to "not making it a huge arguement" like FF65 said above... If enough users feel that way I can change it.
 * I don't think a limit is necessary, since sometimes length is necessary to elaborate on a point. I would approve moving all Comments to respective sections on the Talk page, or a specific "MarioWiki: Proposals/Comments" page, however. Redstar 21:13, 7 December 2009 (EST)

I always thought that separate sub-pages were a good idea. I brought it up on the talk page a long time ago, but I guess it fell through.

How about a show/hide tag? Or a scrollbox?


 * I don't think so on the show/hide tag (reason being is that I mysteriously see all the answers on the 'Shroom and it says click here to show answers. I think it's something to do with my extension), but I think it should be like on the Archives section where all proposals are on scrollboxes.

Imposing character limits on comments just seems to go too far. My idea for a /Comments page work, but a show/hide tag, as suggested by Tucayo, is quick and easy as well. Redstar 10:28, 8 December 2009 (EST)

The administrative staff will probably make a change to the proposal organization, so this proposal probably isn't necessary.