MarioWiki:Proposals

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Include physical appearance in an infobox
The last proposal was failed due to considering only for deletion. Split was added but failed. However, there is a second chance, and Smash Wiki also including their non-Smash appearance. See "Most recent non-Smash appearance". Also the other-Nintendo or third party characters have included their first appearance and Mario-related media appearance together in MarioWiki. To make easily check the last physical appearance in the non-Smash games.

Example for Kritter

Before: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (spirit cameo) (2018)

After: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (spirit cameo) (2018) Mario Super Sluggers (2008, non-Smash appearance) Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (formal) (2014)

Proposer: Deadline: November 25, 2022, 23:59 GMT Extended to December 2, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Oppose

 * 1) Opposing for the same reason as last time: it's still an appearance of the character and it's not like Smash is the only time characters have cameos like this.
 * 2) per Hewer, an appearance is an appearance. a cameo is a cameo.
 * 3) Per all, I don't see much value in doing this and it just opens up a can of worms of what else we should make exceptions like this for - remakes and re-releases, even other media come to mind as things that users may want to add additional exceptions for, arguably with more merit than this. Keeping it as-is where we just list the overall latest appearance and an additional one if we need to for ones that are out of the franchise's scope entirely (i.e. Tetris 99) is fine.
 * 4) Per Waluigi Time
 * 5) Per Waluigi Time.

Comments
Haven't decided what to vote for yet, but I should point out that bringing up how other wikis handle certain situations is not a good argument as they often work vastly different from how we do. 14:12, November 18, 2022 (EST)

Something I want to point out is that we do seem to have this in practice for first appearances; for example, check out Roy (Fire Emblem), Bubbles (Clu Clu Land), or Cream the Rabbit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:32, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 * Good point, but honestly I'd be in favour of removing those to just have the first overall appearance and the first Mario-related appearance. 06:58, November 19, 2022 (EST)

I think that, instead of including most recent non-Smash appearance, we should be including most recent physical appearance instead. That means that, if the character's most recent appearance is nothing more than a pictured cameo, then we can add the most recent appearance in which the character actually physically appears. The infobox on Monty Mole would be a good example of what I'm getting at, as it includes both its most recent appearance in Tetris 99 (which is nothing more than a pictured cameo appearance), as well as in Mario Party Superstars (in which it actually appears in physical form. In Kritter's case, its most recent appearance would include Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (the latest (non-physical) appearance) and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (the latest actual, physical appearance). This could also work for if the most recent cameo appearance of a character remains within the Mario franchise in some way. 13:41, November 19, 2022 (EST)
 * I agreed your comment. I replace (non-Smash appearance) with (formal), and changed the title. Since King K. Rool made his first physical appearance in 10 years since Mario Super Sluggers. Candy Kong and any other DK characters (excluding Dixie, Cranky and Funky) haven't appeared in 15 years since DK: Jungle Climber. We haven't seen Kremlings in the recent years. Windy (talk) 14:08, November 19, 2022 (EST)

It's an abandoned situation, so I think this proposal needs to be extended. Windy (talk) 21:39, November 24, 2022 (EST)

Rework the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe category into a subcategory of the Mario Kart 8 category covering only Deluxe-exclusive content
Currently, said category - which I have to link to externally for formatting reasons - appears to have the scope of "everything that's in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe". While sensible on paper, this results in a category whose contents are largely identical to the Mario Kart 8 category, especially when it comes to its subcategories.

Now, if this were a "Mario Kart 9" that happened to reuse much of 8's content, I would not have an issue. It would "come by it honestly", so to speak. However, 8 Deluxe is not a Mario Kart 9, and we do not treat it that way anywhere else on this wiki. They share a navbox. Articles list their subject's 8 Deluxe roles in the same section, if not the same sentence, as their original 8 ones. The only benefit to these separate categories is being able to see everything that's in 8 Deluxe as a whole, and there are already sections of the article for that.

Why is this a problem worth paying attention to? Well, in addition to two separate categories being more difficult to maintain than one (as evidence, I submit how much content within the 8 Deluxe category's current scope has not been tagged with the category), we also don't have categories for 8 Deluxe-exclusive content. These seem like two problems worth solving with each other to me.

Here's how we do it.

These are the articles I think should be within the new scope of the category:
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass race courses
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe images
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe media files
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters
 * Dry Bones
 * Bowser Jr.
 * King Boo
 * Gold Mario
 * Inkling
 * Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe objects
 * Cash
 * Arrow field
 * Half-pipe
 * Water Geyser
 * Metal ball
 * Bumper (Mario Kart series)
 * Flipper (Mario Kart series)
 * Penguin
 * Mushroom Trampoline
 * Mushroom Platform
 * Wiggler
 * Koopa Clown
 * Inkstriker
 * Splat Buggy
 * Master Cycle Zero
 * Ancient Tires
 * Paraglider
 * Boo
 * Feather
 * (All 8 of MK8DX's battle courses)
 * (All 6, eventually 12, of the Booster Course Pass cup articles)
 * List of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe staff
 * List of official Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournaments
 * List of sponsors debuting in Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in-game statistics
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Kart Customizer Game
 * Which Mario Kart 8 Deluxe racer are you most like?

I would like to call attention to the fact that direct subcategories of the Mario Kart 8 category would no longer be in this one, as well.

In addition, these categories would be deleted for redundancy:
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe karts
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe bikes
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe ATVs
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tires
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe gliders
 * Mario Kart 8 Deluxe items

Effectively, the 8 Deluxe category would become a subcategory that, unlike regular subcategories that supersede their parent category, is superseded by its parent category.

I think this would clean up the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe category, bring it in line with our category tree system policy by removing instances where categories are subcategories of both it and regular 8, and make it much easier to maintain in the future.

Proposer: Deadline: December 5, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal, I was quite confused by what the category's scope was meant to be before.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal, I think it makes sense to cut down on the redundant categories here, as well as other reissues in general. I do agree with Mario jc's point in the comments about keeping "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters" having enough entries per policy, though.
 * 5) per proposal
 * 6) Per all.

Comments
A few minor nitpicks about the list: train covers the Super Bell Subway trains and they were in original 8 so it should be removed, ninja Shy Guys don't have an article separate from Shy Guys which are in original 8 so they can go too, half-pipes are missing, and Boo is in a bit of a weird spot because it was an obstacle in original 8 and became an item in Deluxe so I'm not sure whether it should be included or not. (Also for future reference, you can link to categories non-externally by putting a colon at the start of the link, e.g. Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe gets you Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.) 04:23, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * Thanks for the advice! I've changed the list to match. In the case of Boo... honestly, considering its drastically different roles in the game, I'd say it can be in both Category:Mario Kart 8 species and Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in the same way Chain Chomp is in both the Double Dash species and item categories. Ahemtoday (talk) 12:08, November 28, 2022 (EST)

Honestly I think this rule should be applied to all reissue categories since there's a lot of redundant entries for other reissues as well. Not saying this proposal should be broadened to reflect that, but just something we can consider in the future. I don't think "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe characters" should be deleted; per Categories, there's enough entries for that subcategory to stay (King Boo, Dry Bones, Bowser Jr., Inkling and Gold Mario). 22:40, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * How did I manage to miss Bowser Jr.? Anyway, I could go either way on a characters category, honestly. Five feels a bit few, even if it's over the legal minimum. If we do keep that category, we ought to make a "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe battle courses" category, since that has even more examples. Which would actually be the first, since no other game has a category for that on this wiki. Ahemtoday (talk) 23:28, November 28, 2022 (EST)
 * On second thought... I've come around on this. The category does already exist, so deleting it when we don't necessarily have to would be a bit of an unnecessary change. Ahemtoday (talk) 15:15, November 30, 2022 (EST)