MarioWiki:Proposals

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How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) *Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) *Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) *Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 10) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 11) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 12) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 13) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 14) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 15) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 16) Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 17) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 18) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EDT)

Link to Userpedia in "community"
In the community section of the sidebar on the left side of the screen, there are links to the Chat and Forum. However, there is no link to Userpedia. Although it is on a separate site (Adriels), it is an integral part of the Wiki community. Adding it to the sidebar would attract lots of visitors to Userpedia.

Proposer: Deadline: 12 November 2009, 17:00

Link to Userpedia in "Community"

 * 1) - Per above.
 * 2) - I totally agree. Userpedia is an integral part of the Wiki, amd despite 2 moves and 1 server failure, it's still going strong.
 * 3) Saying Userpedia is not affiliated with the Mariowiki is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I have ever heard. I don't see how you can say that with a straight face.
 * 4) Almost all users here are on Userpedia also, so why not have a link.
 * 5) Userpedia is definaterly affiliated with the wiki so I think a link would be very useful

Don't Link to Userpedia in "Community"

 * 1) - Userpedia is not and should not be officially affiliated with the MarioWiki.
 * 2) Although I would love to see more active UP contributors, I have to concur with Uniju. It is not an official affiliate of the MarioWiki, but the IRC and Forums are. Unless Porplemontage officially affiliates with Userpedia, my vote will stay the same.
 * 3) I don't think Userpedia should be affiliated with MarioWiki unless it's approved or something like that. (P.S. Keep titles non-biased)
 * 4) As much I like this proposal, I have to say no. This site isn't and wouldn't be officially affiliated with Userpedia any time soon.
 * 5) - Make UP work for it like all the other affiliates did! No special treatment just because they mention us.
 * 6) userpedia is seperate to us! Lu-igi board 13:13, 6 November 2009 (EST)
 * 7) – Per Uni.
 * 8) – They are not and should not be affiliated.
 * Per all.
 * 1) PEOPLE! Don't you understand, that it has no affiliation with Mariowiki at all. It's like saying: "How about we link KirbyWiki and the GunsWiki. They're both wikis so why not." Unfortunatey, it would be more convenient to link Userpedia to MarioWiki, but per all.
 * 2) Panchito: Per all.

Comments
Before opposing voting, I would like to state that when we had all the Userspace thing we were taking them to UP, we even announced it in the Main Page and we have a link to it in.

I know I'm supposed to be retired and relaxing in the forums right now, but I'm a little annoyed by some of the oppose votes. Now I'm not on any side for this proposals, but I want to point out that most of these votes sound like they don't even know what Userpedia is. I just wanted to "bring this to light" so to speak:

Userpedia is a sub-wiki of ours. It was created by one of our users and though Steve didn't make it, it serves as the one of the 3 major Mario Wiki user "community areas" (the two others being chat and the forums). It's basicly a big TV station as it is a place where users show thier sprite comics and fanfic. It also hosts all the sprites users make along with pages on the users themselves. It is basicly the wiki with out the Mario articles and has a bunch of stuff made by users. It's the exact "line-up" of users we have here as everyone on UP was at one time an active Mario Wiki user (save for one or two UP-only users).

That's why I'm little peeved at the fact some people are saying things along the lines of "OMG! UP has nothing to do with us, why is this dumb proposal on here?!". I don't really care how this proposal turns out, I just wanted to try to clear up what Userpedia really is. (any argueing with me should be done on the forums since I mostly don't go on the wiki anymore)

Removals
''None at the moment.

Splits & Merges
None at the moment.

Update Character Main Biographies
I did make a proposal recently on the subject similar to this, but clearly it wasn't going over well.

This proposal is for the change to make it so that the main biographies, which contain video-game, cartoon, and comics information will be organised so that sub-sections are added so that each of these medias are not smashed together in disorder. This way, each type of media will be in its respective order, but not clashing with every other kind there is in the main biography. Basically it's keeping everything in the main biography but sorting it so that readers, while still reading all historical information of a character, will be able to read each type of media respectively so as to avoid confusion.

This way, everything about the character will still be in the main biography, but will simply be reorganized within the main section so that it is not clashing with different types of media to avoid any confusion.

This proposal does not concern canon rule(no canon idea is being followed here just as the mariowiki standards follow), priority of one media over the other, or any bias. It simply organizes each appearance so that everything is more ordered under the specified media type.

Clearly this proposal is different from the original by a lot so feel free to discuss beforehand.

Proposer: FD09 Deadline: 9 November 2009, 17:00

Support

 * 1) FD09 Isn't it better to have a library's inventory organised within the type of book (fiction, non-fiction, romance, mystery) as well as abc order, rather than just put every DIFFERENT type of book in one abc order?
 * 2) - Per ForeverDaisy
 * 3) - Per ForeverDaisy
 * 4) - Per ForeverDaisy.
 * 5) - This proposal will allow a user to just look at the article and narrow down their search to a certain category (i.e. TV show, video game, comic). Per FD09
 * 6) Lu-igi board per Marioguy1.
 * 7) I see. This makes more sense than the last proposal.
 * 8) YDF1 Per FD09
 * 9) User:Lindsayoris15 Per FD09
 * 10) Toadine Per FD09. What the opposers are saying doesn't even make sense. Why wouldn't you want more organisation and structure?
 * 11) user:Super Luigi!this is a great idea.I mean,i want things organized.my reason is because i love the mario comics, yet dont have any.with this, i can go to the comic's part and read about them, ya know?
 * 12) user:Raml - It makes sense. Per FD09
 * 13) Panchito - i really have to agree here. per all
 * 14) Furioku17 - Per FD09 there is really no reason to oppose this.

Oppose

 * No, just no. There's absolutely no need to separate the different kinds of media from each other. There is no "video game canon", "comic canon", "TV show canon" etc. It wouldn't make sense to group the Nintendo Power and Club Nintendo comics together since they have nothing in common (apart from being comics, which is obviously just their form of media, nothing more). Currently, we are grouping appearances by series, which in my opinion is the perfect way to go. We can group all the appearances in the Mario Party series together (since they have something in common) and separate them from The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! series, but there's no point in grouping all the distinct comics or TV shows together.
 * 1) -- The way we have now isn't my favorite, but this proposed way is worse. Per Time Q.
 * 2) I think the way Time Q said it is better. Per Time Q.
 * 3) – Per Time Q.
 * 4) – Per Time Q also.
 * 5) – Doing this will just lead us down the road to we do separate the "canon" from the "non-canon".So I must vote no on this matter.Per Time Q
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) I must admit I had a hard time on making a decision here. We're basically talking about two different types of structure here, which, in case of correctness, are more or less equal. Arranging the appearances in a media-based order has advantages, just like the previous way has. Which one is more suitable depends on the case: the media order is better if you're searching for one specific appearance, whereas a chronological order is more suited for all appearances as a whole. Given that, deciding for one way is complicated, so you need to think about it precisely. The common way to sort information in a wiki, the encyclopedic way, is usually to sort the appearances in chronological order.
 * 8) Per Time Q and Edofenrir.
 * 9) Per all. No need to separate them, it can stay in chronological order regardless of media. Why would it confuse users? Mario is Missing!, Mario's Time Machine, Hotel Mario and other Western Mario games that never made it to Japan have as little significance for the series' development as the non-Japanese comics, while a certain Japanese comic book series, Super Mario-Kun, is probably more important for the franchise than all three aforementioned games combined (example). --Grandy02 14:11, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Comments
TimeQ you seem to not understand that this has nothing to do with canon, as clearly stated in the proposal explanation. Also, you seem to be worried about grouping in related comics together. Okay, so obviously you understand that video games that are not of the same series are not grouped together why would comics be? Also, your vote should be much shorter and your issues should be down here. Anyway, you obviously are confused as to what this is and what's going to happen. The comics are already together in the main biography. They are still going to be in their own relations once in sub sections. You seem to not be able to get over the fact this isn't about canon and you're just making assumptions that are not correct. @ o @ FD09
 * Yes, I know this is not about canon, but if we group appearances from the same source of media together (excluding any other media), then we suggest there's a different "canon" for each of those types of media. Why else would we want to split the comics from the video games? "The comics are already together in the main biography" - Yes, however they're there together with all the other stuff. You propose to put them together to the exclusion of games, TV shows, etc. which is what I oppose. I understand your proposal very well. I just don't understand why you're proposing this change at all.


 * By that reasoning you should consider each video-game in the main biography that is of a different series to have a different canon. Th point isn't to suggest a canon for the different types of medai, by everything being in the main biography that should be indication enough that it's a part of the same non-canon idea of the MarioWiki. The point of splitting it up is because regardless of some comics being different it makes sense to group comics together rather than group them with different kinds of media like the cartoons or video games. If you think separating them intotheir specific media categories suggest something than by the same reaosning you would have to be currently suggesting they are all part of the same canon which still doesn't exist. So why if you wouldn't think the way it is now suggests any canon that making it more orderly would? Either way a viewer might mistakenly see a canon grouping but this way readers don't have to differentiate on weather or not they're reading about a videogame comic cartoon or something else and they wouldn't be grouping so much a large amount of information together. By your idea that making them into different sub groups suggests a canon you should like the idea better than putting everything in one ridiculous suggestive group.

The fact you don't understand why the change is wanted is why you don't seem to understand, self explanatory it may be redundant even. But your reasoning is parallel with any grouping of media. Like I said, just because someone might assume something means nothing and to go with that it's better to simplify any confusion somebody might have by actually spacing details out more orderly. FD09

As I said in my vote,doing this will lead us to when we do separate the "Canon" from the "non-canon" and that's not a path the Mario wiki wants to go down.
 * That's completely wrong. The only way we could do that is if someone made a proposal to change the canon. Aside from the per TimeQ part, your vote is baseless and unfounded. FD09

You're suggesting a rather hierarchal system here; like it or not, the wiki is vertically organized. If we put any one of the sections at the top, we're recommending to our audience that we believe that particular section is more important than the others. Also, your suggestion on my talk page about the library sections is unsubstantiated; libraries are 3D: they can organize their layout, or "articles," if you will, in a much more equivocal fashion. Also, while we're talking about "baseless and unfounded" votes, Lu-igi board's vote is just as bad as you described.


 * Suggesting a vertical system that can not be changed is nothing but hierarchy is obviously wrong. Also, even libraries have an entrance. Just because a certain genre comes before another doesn't mean it's more important, if anything the main reason video games would be first is because they came first, therefore it's just going by date. You replied to me that you shouldn't have to defend your opinion, clearly without backing up your opinions they can become baseless. Oh, and on that users talk page you can see that I contacted them about their vote hours ago. I knew that it was flawed so I made sure to say something about it, just like I did for The new wouldn't u like 2 no. FD09


 * Obviously wrong? I fail to see how this is obvious. I didn't say that the system could not be changed, nor did I say that it was "nothing but" hierarchy. Notice that the wiki is not a library; it is an encyclopedia. If anything, we should only organize each media alphabetically. (I'm not recommending this, just so you know.) And while your statement about opinions is quite true in the real world, this proposal system is not quite the same. One can say, "per all," and his/her vote can be counted correct even without any evidence to back it up. And good, I am glad you contacted them.


 * No, it's not a library, but that was the example. You're coming back and explaining to me how this wiki isn't a library when clearly I was still on the subject of the example with you. You actually just strayed away from the whole thing by making it seem like I was making it something it's agreeably not. Yeah, but we have to at least say per all don't we? Also, the only way they can say that is if at least somebody provided reason in the first place. "Every vote should have a reason accompanying it".

Once again, someone all on their own points out how they don't get the point. You already made it clear that you are set on your vote. It's fair to say discussing it further with you won't do much when you don't actually see the point of making everything organised. Which by the way is still not about canon rule, or favoritism of 1 media type over the other. FD09
 * I may have strayed, yes. But you made the example sound more like a reason. And, really, personal attacks are quite uncalled for. Don't bother to defend yourself; I won't reply to this again. Have fun with the rest of the proposal and whatnot. --
 * I strongly disagree that I made a personal attack to you. I simply said what you did. I literally tried to be unoffensive which is why I let the argument lay rest. Sorry if you somehow felt personally attacked. FD09