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Trim requirements for elemental creatures categories
This proposal follows from the responses on Talk:Koopa Troopa. Currently, the requirements for these categories are for the subject to either be composed of an element or use it in some way, and more recently the latter has led to some arbitrary cases that may only be exclusive to one or very few games, for example Bowser is under Category:Poisonous creatures for some of his attacks in the first two Paper Mario games causing Poison, and Koopa Troopa is now under Category:Water creatures for a water-based animation in Mario Power Tennis. This proposal aims to ditch the second half of the requirement of these categories; only if the subject is clearly composed of the subject may the category be used.

PROPOSAL EDIT: Addition of another option to keep the second half but tighten it. This will lead to usage of the categories if the subject isn't composed of the element but is still strongly associated with it such as Bowser remaining categorised under Fire creatures for his fire breath, and one-off RPG enemies that cause status effects with these elements such as Poison Pokey and Flamin' Stooge.

Proposer: Deadline: September 16, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Remove second half entirely

 * 1) Secondary choice
 * 2) Per proposal. Second choice.

Tighten the second half

 * 1) Primary choice
 * 2) Primary choice. Per proposal.
 * 3) Makes sense to us.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per myself, as I originally proposed it lol. Jokes aside I would prefer a more defined wording on where the line would be drawn.
 * 6) Per proposal.
 * 7) Honestly I'm iffy on the existence of these category at all since for example in the poisonous creatures category, they're either composed of creatures that can cause a poison status effect in RPGs or characters that can spit purple fluids. It spans across too many games of wildly different genres and idk, it just doesn't sound right at all when something like a Sniffle Thwomp occupies the same category as a Malboro.
 * 8) Categories should be reworked yeah. We should be calling several of the poisonous creatures "VENOMOUS". 😤

Do nothing

 * 1) - I find it rather difficult to be "clearly composed of [poison]," myself. That category is primarily for things that cause the poison status effect, are mentioned as being poisonous in their name or description, or are capable of spitting poison projectiles. The only examples I can really think of are Poison Bubble, maybe Mokura, and possibly some Pokémon. It also makes sense to have things that can cause the burn status to be listed as fire creatures, things that can freeze be listed as ice creatures, and so on and so forth.

Comments
If we go with simply tightening the second criteria, how would this affect Mini Goomba, which I brought up in the preceding discussion? Disregard this—I didn't notice the "one-off" in the proposal. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 18:12, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

What do you think should be defining terms for "tightening" the second half? Like, where would we draw the line? 19:10, September 9, 2023 (EDT)
 * Mostly if it's an element the subject never uses outside of the game or series where it does, as has been brought up with Bowser and Koopa Troopa. 19:14, September 9, 2023 (EDT)
 * If that's the case, then how would this option affect instances of a subject using an element across multiple series, but it's not a frequent attribute in their overall history? Case in point, Bowser being under Category:Electrical creatures for his usage of electricity in Hotel Mario, the opening of Super Mario Galaxy, and—although it's not mentioned on his character page (likely because it's via the Star Rod and not natural here)—Paper Mario. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 08:52, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

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