MarioWiki:Proposals

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/dessert1.jpg A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. (All times GMT).
 * 3) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
 * 4) Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite his/her own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
 * 5) All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
 * 6) If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
 * 7) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 8) No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
 * 9) Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
 * 12) Proposals cannot be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
 * 13) If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
 * 14) No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in GMT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 23:59 GMT, the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is 23:59 PM of the Wednesday of the next week, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format
This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". - ===[insert a title for your Proposal here]=== [describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]

Proposer: Voting start: [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "2 January, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.] Deadline: [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]

====Support====
 * 1) [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments==== - Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert " # at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

Talk Page Proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

 * 1) All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place  under the heading.
 * 2) All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
 * 3) Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
 * 4) Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
 * 5) The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Split from Krow. (Discuss). Passed
 * Merge all Super Strikes into the Super Strike article. (Discuss). Deadline: August 6, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Risky Reef into Aqua World. (Discuss). Deadline: August 8, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Shroob Castle Cellar into Shroob Castle. (Discuss). Deadline: August 10, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Puzzle Panel into Puzzle Panic. (Discuss). Deadline: August 11, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Offensive Power Shots into Offensive Power Shot and Defensive Power Shots in Defensive Power Shot. (Discuss). Deadline: August 11, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge all of the fields in Super Mario Strikers into one article. (Discuss). Deadline: August 11, 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Save Album into Save Block (Discuss). Deadline: August 11, 2010, 24:00
 * Delete Engine Size OR merge it into the Mario Kart series article. (Discuss). Deadline: August 12, 2010, 24:00
 * Delete Plane Mario (Discuss) Deadline: August 14 2010 24:00
 * Merge 5-Volt into List of Implied Characters (Discuss) Deadline: August 14 2010
 * Merge Memory Master with Memory Match (Discuss) Deadline: 15 August 2010, 24:00
 * Merge Pair-a-Gone with Pair-a-Gone and On (Discuss) Deadline: August 16, 2010 at 24:00 GMT.
 * Merge Coincentration into Intense Coincentration (Discuss) Deadline: August 20, 2010 at 24:00 GMT.
 * Split from Dark Fawful (Discuss) Deadline: August 24, 2010 at 24:00 GMT.

Translator
Back when we knew nothing english about M&L:BIS, we had japanese names. Now, this kind of thing should be implanted: a Translator. Namely, a copy of the wiki in another language. Also, I'm proposing that if the user got the welcome message the user who sent it is from the same country. This way, the user would understand everything about the wiki without learning english. Also arn't we an INTERNATIONAL wiki?

Proposer: Voting Start: 6:00, 3 August, 2010 Deadline: 24:00, 10 August, 2010

Implant Translator & Country-only Welcomes

 * 1) Per....above and ME!

Don't implant anything

 * 1) Most of our users are English or speak it, and if someone doesn't understand something then they can look it up in a dictionary, or look at it on a website of their own language.
 * 2) - See my comment.
 * 3) Per Edofenrir. I draw the line at "Mario is the Mario series...."
 * 4) There are mostly native English speakers. Per the comments below.
 * 5) If someone who doesn't speak English (I originally wrote that speek inglish by accident) were to visit the site and want to translate it that badly, they could translate the specific articles they want to with something like Google Translator, not us doing it.
 * 6) Well, if we were to implant a translator, most versions of this Wiki's grammar would be incorrect. That could cause some countries to think we are a Wiki that is run by Trolls, and a few might think we are mocking them.
 * 7) - Per all (except for MrConcreteDonkey's opinion on the welcome template: I'm against that as well as the overall wiki translation thing).
 * 8) - Automatic translations are complete gibberish and useless, and I doubt there'd be anyone dedicated enough to translate our entire content in another language. This is really short-sighted.
 * 9) The wiki is written in English, and if you don't know it, you can't edit it. This may be an international wiki, but most users here are from English speaking countries. And anyway, those translations are sometimes so messed up that you can hardly understand them. Per all.
 * 10) I don't trust automatic translators anyway. Sure I don't speak fluently any other language, but I've heard that a stupid automatic thing does a worse job than a person who speaks the language.
 * 11) Websites who use this method are really bad. Trust me, things like Google Translator are horrible. But if someone who actually speaks the language want to rewrite all the wiki, then I'm okay.
 * 12) Per all, computer translators do not have the capacity to translate well at all.
 * 13) Internet translators are absolutely abysmal and the primary language of Mario is English, even in Japan!
 * 14) What, like someone who doesn't speak English would've found this anyways?

Comments

 * OK, I don't get the welcome-country thing but I really think you should talk this over with Porple...

Hello, can someone change the time into GMT instead of AM?
 * "AM" was indicating that it was 5 in the morning, not what timezone the time pertained to. Anyway, the times were still wrong, so I fixed them. -
 * Er...what I had was -10 hours from my time zone (+10:00, if that wasn't obvious) but I MAY have thought wrong...but I need it at 4 PM my time...as 3 PM is when I'm on....but my perspective of time is...backfiring...

"Mario ist die Hauptfigur der Serie Mario und der legendäre Maskottchen von Nintendo. Mario ist in der Regel einen Klempner, aber in Spielen, nutzt er seine legendären Sprung und Kampffähigkeiten, um die Bewohner des Mushroom meist friedliche Welt von machthungrigen Schurken verteidigen wie Bowser. Wenn nicht Abenteuern, nimmt Mario in einer Vielzahl von sportlichen Veranstaltungen und arbeitet sogar als eines seiner Alter-Egos, Dr. Mario."

This is what an automatic translator throws at me when I attempt to translate the first paragraph of the Mario article into German. This is also what would make me leave the site if I found this text anywhere. The translation is totally inaccurate and ridden with grammar errors. Translators just cannot handle complex material, especially when fictional names are involved. I'd much rather have an english-only wiki with readable texts, instead of that soulless piece of auto-translated nonsense that will get native speakers of a language to laugh at us. -
 * I translated it back into English with Google Translate, for everyone who doesn't speak German - it reads:

"Mario is the protagonist of the series and the legendary Mario mascot of Nintendo. Mario is usually a plumber, but in games, he uses his legendary jump and combat skills to defend the inhabitants of the Mushroom usually peaceful world of power-hungry villains like Bowser. If not adventure, Mario takes in a variety of sporting events and works even when one of his alter ego, Dr. Mario."

This proves it indeed was inaccurate.


 * As opposed to...

"Mario is the main protagonist of the Mario series and the legendary mascot of Nintendo. Mario is normally a plumber, but in games, he uses his legendary jump and combat abilities to defend the inhabitants of the usually peaceful Mushroom World from power-hungry villains such as Bowser. When not adventuring, Mario participates in a variety of sporting events and even works as one of his alter-egos, Dr. Mario."

This!Blue Toad ( Talk )

"Mario is the main protagonist of the Mario series and the legendary mascot of Nintendo. Mario is a plumber normally, but in games, he uses his legendary jump and combat capabilities to defend the inhabitants of the peaceful world of fungi usually power-hungry villains such as Bowser. When not in the adventure, Mario is involved in a variety of sporting events and even works as one of his alter ego, Dr. Mario."

And that is it translated into French and back. Blue Toad ( Talk )

"Mario is the mascot of Nintendo and the legendary hero of the Mario series. Mario is a plumber, but usually in the game, his ability to fight and use his legendary jump to protect the inhabitants of a peaceful world of fungi usually villainous Bowser power. When not in the adventure, even one's ego involvement in various Mario sports events, operates as an alter ego Dr. Mario."

That's Japanese...

and this is Greek! "...?"

"Mario is the main protagonist of the series of Mario and the legendary mascot of Nintendo. Mario is usually a plumber, but in games, using the legendary jump and capabilities to defend the residents of the usually peaceful Mushroom World from power-hungry villains such as Bowser. When not adventuring, Mario participating in various sporting events and still works as one, alter egos, Dr. Mario."

Blue Toad ( Talk )

"Mario is the main protagonist of the Mario series and the legendary mascot of Nintendo. Mario is a plumber normally, but in games, it uses a legendary jump and combat abilities to protect the residents of the normally peaceful Mushroom World of Villains power-hungry like Bowser. When not adventuring, Mario participated in a variety of sporting events and even as one of the works to alter-egos, Dr. Mario."

The above quote is Irish... It calls "Mario" an "it"!Blue Toad ( Talk )
 * Okay, we get it! Now stop spamming the comments, please.


 * Did we really need all of these examples?
 * Well I for one thought they were hilarious.
 * I found them similar and annoying.

Well, we do not need all these examples to prove a point.
 * Gamefreak75 just told that person to stop spamming the comments with examples. Now please don't continue to spam the comments with a further discussion about their notability. - 18:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Not only are automatic translations ridden with grammar mistakes, but it won't localize names as well (it will get directly translated). It may cause confusion for some people. English is not my first language, I speak Dutch. Sadly, only manuals get translated to Dutch and the game remains UK English (except Mario & Sonic at the Winter Games). So I am more used to an English Mario and English names. Translators will only mess it up. However, when I translated the name クッパ (Kuppa, Bowser’s Japanese name) to English, I was a bit surprised the result was not Kuppa or Koopa, but Bowser.


 * As far as I'm aware, Google Translator has a feature to suggest better translations nowadays; that has probably been used to suggest "Bowser" as a translation for "クッパ". Various other names of fictional character or works are also "translated" by now, but obviously, it's far from recognising every name.--
 * I didn't use the Google Translator, so multiple translators know how to translate Bowser's name. But I guess your right about those translators can't recognize every name.
 * Yeah, I've found that the translators get the Japanese enemy names wrong a lot (even the basic romanizations get screwed up sometimes). -

Removals
None at the moment.

FA Archiving Policy
OK, there's been some confusion over the archiving policy of articles...anyways, I want to get a system down. I think we had one before but then there were several people doing the system differently and now I have three seperate versions of how to archive. In all three versions when a proposal passes it is moved to MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Article but when it fails one of these three options happen... And then of course there's the leave as is option.
 * 1) Move them to MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N1/Article and then, after one month, delete them.
 * 2) Move them to MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Article and never delete them.
 * 3) Same thing as #2 but instead of MarioWiki:Featured Articles/A/Article, move them to MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N1/Article and then /N2/Article and then /N3/Article and so on...

Proposer: Voting Start: August 3rd, 2010 (19:43) Deadline: August 10th, 2010 (24:00)

Use Option 1

 * 1) - I'll be the one to break the ice. For one, we won't really need these once they fail. Two, it will be very cluttered if we have F1, F2, and so on. Three - The A won't work because it would be like reason 2 I gave. Four - If someone wants to re-nominate or re-unfeature, then it is best to have a clean record on it.
 * 2) - Per BMB.

Use Option 3

 * 1) Per Tucayo's comment below. And mine as well.
 * 2) – the pros for this sound like a logical reason

Comments
Right now even I'm indecisive. All the options look good to me (except #2)...anyways, I'll probably vote soon but right now I'm leaning towards #1.
 * I'm more or less new to being involved in the wiki. What's the current procedure?
 * Try seeing here for the stuff you want. It might not have everything, though.
 * @Mario4Ever: That's the problem, we don't seem to have one. We definitely have no written policy and I have seen several users archiving with different methods. That's what I'm trying to change. @LGM: Trust me, I've read that page over and over and it has nothing on archiving at all. If this proposal passes, I'm probably going to add a paragraph on archiving to that thing.
 * I agree we should have one of those 3, but I'm sure that not many fails will be appearing anytime soon. KS3 has been blocked for 3 months, so I bet it will be calm with the FA stuff.
 * Even if it's unlikely that many articles nominated for Featured status will fail, we should still have a system in place. @Marioguy1, what are the pros and cons of the above proposed methods? I'm just asking since I can't vote on any of these until I understand them.

We use #3 now and it works fine.
 * Well, if that is so, we should remove option number 3 from the option choices.
 * Tucayo: Some people use #3, this will help combine together all of the options. Mario4ever: Well, pros for #1 are having the articles moved to the tentative title for the one month that they have to be, and then removing them so that people know they can nominate again. Cons however are losing the past information. #2: Pros: It will have a definite article set in history and easily accesible to find people's past arguments. Cons: There can only be one at a time... #3: Pros: Basically all of the pros of number 2 except for "easily accessible" and there can be multiple at once. Cons: It would be pretty hard to 1. Know where to search for the information and 2. Know what number we're at to archive it.

Well, I think we should keep the failed nominations so if anyone else wants to nominate them they can look at that and perhaps see why it wasn't such a good idea. Also, people could keep voting to unfeature the same article, for example, if a unfeature nomination failed due to the nominator not seeing something, someone could try to unfeature it for the same reason again and again.
 * Actually, the pages will be cluttered, and most of the failed nominations were made by KS3, and were very foolish. Once we get rid of all the bad ones he had, I don't really think there will be many failed nominations to be in truth. Also, you should always start of with a clean. If we don't, then people won't really have good votes since it is swayed by what happened last time, and it will more than likely fail again.
 * Option 3 will clutter the wiki up with all the many failed nominations. Option 2 will have only one article and it will contain the entire history of that thing (found in the "history" link). Option 1 will be the least cluttered as we will have the articles for only as long as they are needed as placeholders. However, the more cluttered it gets, the more archives we have on the wiki. Granted a sysop could still view the deleted revisions of the articles but other than that Option 3 will have no referencing past nominations. Option 2 will be able to if you know the date of the nomination and you use the history link. Option 1 however will have them all, you'll just have to try out the N1, the N2, the N3...
 * Well, this could result in other, new people nominating articles again and again, which will more likely clutter up the Wiki. It's only the FA nominations. It's not going to clutter up the Wiki when it makes about 1 percent of it.
 * Hm...it seems this will be a tie...extend it another week when it's tied for me, kk? I'll be back on the 12th to check it out.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment