Talk:Snifit

Does anyone think that articles about Booster's henchmen Snifits, Snifit #1, Snifit #2 and Snifit #3 could be made, I would think there'd be enough information on them to warrant an article, as they appear in Moleville, Booster Tower, Booster Hill, Marrymore and those little cinemas you see when you look into the balcony of Booster Tower later in the game. -- Sir Grodus

Yeah, though I don't know how much info you could flesh out of them. -- Booster

I was thinking about just having a combined article for them, instead of individual ones for them, since they're almost never seen apart and pretty much have the same information. -- Sir Grodus

That works. -- Booster

What about Snifit #4, #5, #6, and #7? -- Son of Suns

.... Well, Snifit #4 is already covered at Apprentice, I dunno about the rest, they don't really do anything and are, well, "optional scenario characters", if there is such a thing. -- Sir Grodus

I think a small mention of 4-7 near the bottom of 1, 2 and 3's article would suffice. -- Booster

Number 4 is not actually the Apprentice. If you lose to the Apprentice, it becomes #4. If you lose to another Apprentice, it becomes #5. I actually thinks this goes on to #6 or #7 (I forget). The next Apprentice in line gets rejected, as Booster already has so many Snifits. -- Son of Suns

I tried creating the article a while ago. It wouldn't work, probably because of the #s in the name, I always got redirected here. -- Sir Grodus

Sub-Species
Should we have so much info on Snifit's sub-species in thwe article? It seems to have no information about snifits, just it's subs..... - Ultimatetoad

The sub-species of Snifits appear more than actual Snifits, but I guess it could be removed, if thats what people think is best. -- Sir Grodus

Sub-species deserve a mention in the game they appear in (as done in the Goomba article) with some minor info on them. However, detailed information should be in the sub-species article. -- Son of Suns

So, is there too much sub-species information? If there is, some of it can just be removed. -- Sir Grodus, who thinks he's found a picture of a Snifit sub-species originating from The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!

I think so.... half of the sections talk about sub-species. Couldnt we remove some of the "appearences" sections and make on big Sub-species section? - Ultimatetoad

"some thoughts"
Er, I'm about to edit this out, as it gives nothing to the article, its probably fanon, and its poorly written. For anyone who wants to put it back in, or reword it, here it is:

* There are some thoughts that says that under the mask Shy Guys and related species are actually human.

New Article
There are lots of sub-species that all have their own, tiny articles. I was thinking of combining all of the sub-species into a big article so there weren't so many small waste of space articles. If anyone agrees or disagrees, please comment below!

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Picture
The picture needs to be changed to a newer picture of one. I am goombob and I love paper mario games (talk) 18:41, 17 May 2013 (EDT)Goombob

Unfortunately, that is Snifit's most recent artwork, and so it is used. MarioComix (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2013 (EDT) Well there still is Paper Mario: Sticker Star And a few others. Btw I do not want to find so I will not respond after this (In case it does happen to get into a fight). :) I am goombob and I love paper mario games (talk) 12:49, 18 May 2013 (EDT)Goombob

New Island
Should it be stated here that they reappear in Yoshi's New Island?--Poponana2 (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2014 (EST)


 * We usually wait for the game's release, although a note can be made in the article if they've appeared in screenshots or something. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2014 (EST)
 * That's just for updating the latest appearance, policy says that if the article already exists information about the upcoming game is allowed on it.

Are they Shy Guys?
I guess this is following on from the Bandit proposal. How are Snifits related to Shy Guys? No Guy at the end, no sign of a hei-ho in the Japanese name. Forgive me if I'm wrong or if I missed something. 15:47, 3 June 2015 (EDT)
 * They look and act a lot more like Shy Guys than Bandits. Binarystep (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2015 (EDT)
 * They aren't a subspecies, but they're most likely related. After all, they first appeared in the same game with similar animation, builds, and as weak enemies. 21:32, 3 June 2015 (EDT)

How To Improve Snifit
Perhaps this was tagged because it is a bit too thorough? How might I make this article better without ruining it? ThePeachinator (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2016 (EDT)

Spookum
Why does the Spookum here count as a normal Snifit? 23:41, 12 May 2018 (CEST)
 * As has been said in many other places, but not as much here, strangely, it's because they have the same basic stats (I think?) and the exact same Japanese name. The dark grey/black ones are just the "high ranking 'character'" versions of the same thing. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:52, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

Artwork from Yoshi’s New Island, yet no section in the article about Yoshi’s New Island?
Why is this? Could somebody add info about this. I don’t have the game myself. Seandwalsh (talk) 21:31, 18 February 2019 (EST)
 * You answered your own question, there. Very few people own the game, due to it being....mediocre and soulless. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2019 (EST)

Split
So, seeing as how the "Snifits" in Super Mario RPG have black robes, different stats, and are called ブッカー (Bukkā) instead of ムーチョ (Mūcho), shouldn't they be split considering how we handled other clearly misnamed enemies in that game? Who has lost his tail? 02:59, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * They should. -- 06:32, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Host Snift
Shouldn't there be an article for the host Snifit from Sticker Star and Color Splash that hosts Snifit or Whiffit get his own article? --Magma. (talk) 20:18, July 22, 2020 (EDT)
 * I'd say so, I was wondering about that. I'm unsure what we would name the article (he just says "I'm your host, Snifit," so maybe "Snifit (host)")? IIRC he has a unique design with a bowtie, which would give more purpose to the article. 21:22, July 22, 2020 (EDT)
 * I'm not exactly familiar with when we should use game titles as distinguishers, but "Snifit (Paper Mario series)" could be a consideration. Maybe even "Host Snifit", if the Color Splash screenshot is anything to go by. MarioComix (talk) 22:57, July 22, 2020 (EDT)
 * We don't call Mario "Contestant Mario", so I think "Host" is the title in this case. The French translation makes it more clear that it's a title (it reads "Animateur: Maskrache"). "Host" isn't capitalized in dialogue, either. 00:42, July 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * I'd say "Snifit (host)" works pretty well. --Magma. (talk) 09:41, July 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * Question: what can be uniquely said about the host that couldn't already be said succinctly in the Snifit or Whiffit article? I'm fairly certain he doesn't appear outside of the game show and, for all we know, it could be a different Snifit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:52, July 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * Well, the history section would be mostly the same but personality and appearance sections are two things that could be included there. Also I think it's the same because in Color Splash he says "Why, if isn't our old friend Mario!" --Magma. (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * So, can it be done? --Magma. (talk) 14:10, July 25, 2020 (EDT)

Resemblance to Sturm
I was thinking, maybe we should add a small tidbit in trivia that Sturm's Advance Wars (1) design resembles a Snifit? It was mentioned in the Sturm article in the Advance Wars fandom wiki, so I was thinking maybe we should mention it hee? Thanks in Advance, SomeRandomNintendoFan (talk) 16:05, December 30, 2021 (EST)
 * It doesn't look that similar to me (looks more like Darth Vader than a Snifit), so no I don't think this should be noted. Here's the page in question if anyone else wants to take a look. 16:15, December 30, 2021 (EST)

Relation to Shy-Guys
'''(NOTE: I am not saying we should consider them to be NOT related.)

Ok, so I'm aware that Snifits are literally Shy Guys with a different mask, but I just want to put an idea on the table:


 * Usually when an enemy is meant to be a variant of another enemy, their Japanese name is based on them. The Japanese names for Shy Guy and Snifit are Hei-ho and Mu-cho respectively, with the former being an anagram and the latter being Subcon + Military leader. Bandit's Japanese name is also different from Shy Guy, but Bandit was confirmed to be a Shy Guy enemy in Minion Quest.
 * Usually when an enemy is meant to be a variant of another enemy, there's some sort of bio saying they are. As far as I can see:
 * Most bios talk about how shy Shy Guys are and how Snifits shoot bullets without mentioning their connection
 * SSBM Does have a list of things Shy Guys have done, but it doesn't seem to bring up Snifits(The closest is "throw balls", but that's most likely Green Glove).
 * Mario Party Superstars is the only time AFAIK that there's a bio about Snifit's relation to Shy Guys, but it's basically saying "They look similar to Shy Guys but they're differentiated by their masks", not "These are Shy Guys with different masks". A subtle difference, sure, but I believe it's an important one.
 * The original SMB2 that they both originated in doesn't say anything about their relation. Note how it does mention the Shy Guy relation for Beezo and "Birdo".
 * The Island Museum In Yoshi's Island DS doesn't list the only kind of Snifit that appears in the game as a "Shy Guy Enemy", but rather a "Subterranean Enemy".
 * As Doc has informed me, Minion Quest lists the variants of Snifits separate from the Variant of Shy Guy.
 * Usually when an enemy is meant to be a variant of another enemy, they have a similar appearance. In this case, Shy Guy and Snifit are literally the same design with a mask swap(but bear with me for a second longer please).

Now with this in mind, I want to say a few more things:


 * Snifits and Shy Guys use the same voice clips in a number of appearances.
 * In TOK, one particular Snifit who is facing a wall says if Mario mistook him for a Shy Guy(as Swallow told me).
 * Snifit and Shy Guy debuted in the same game(SMB2) and one didn't seem to be more prominent than the other in SMB2.
 * In Color Splash, Snifits and Shy Guys had variants that paralleled each-other.
 * The Japanese names might actually be similar to eachother, as Heiho is an anagram of the Japanese writing of "Foot Soldier", and Mucho means "Subcon Military Leader", so there could be a similar name intent. And with everything else I said above, I'd say it's definite that they're super closely related, but it's likely that Shy Guy wasn't meant to be the parent species(If anything, Snifit had more prominence in SMB2).

I might be grasping at straws, and I might be ignoring some overlooked-but-important source confirming Shy Guy is the parent species of Snifit, but might it be possible that Shy Guy and Snifit were originally parallels of the same "robe-wearing dream soldier" type enemy and Shy Guy just became more prominent than Snifit did, instead of Snifit being made as a variant of Shy Guy? (I am not asking for a merge or a split or anything like that, I'm just talking about both species' relations to each other.) Somethingone (talk) 20:59, February 10, 2022 (EST)
 * I should point out that the only type of Snifit Minion Quest has is the Ice Snifit, which is an enemy that only appears in Superstar Saga and is not a recruitable ally. 21:19, February 10, 2022 (EST)
 * I'd personally find it a little strange if Bandit was considered a derivative of Shy Guy while Snifit wasn't, given that Bandit arguably has a bigger design divergence (also note that it isn't in the Island Museum's Shy Guy exhibit either), but considering that recent statements resemble what's been stated about the Goomba and Galoomba difference, we may have to just work with what we have. I do want to add that I have the 1987 Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic guide by Futabasha, and it has the following description for Snifit - Red (ムーチョ赤 ) on page 19: 「ヘイホー族 とは親戚同士 の間柄 だ. ヘイホーよりも仕末 が悪 いのは、お面 の口 からイマジン君 たちにむけて悪夢 の弾 を射 ってくることだ. 」 or basically (Close relatives of the Shy Guys. Even worse than Shy Guys, their mask's mouth shoots the bullets of evil dreams at Imajin and co.). While it seems to predate the Shogakukan line of guides, I think we can consider it an official source since it also seems to be the first named appearance of Flurry (ナカボン), Spark (スパック), and Tweeter (リートン), who were missing in the original manual (incidentally, page 23 also refers to Tweeter as...ducklike (アヒルなど)?). This suggests that they should be considered "relatives" at minimum. There's also Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten, which here refers to Snifit as a "power-up" version of Shy Guy - the same term the book uses for others such as Fire Bro, which we consider a derivative of Hammer Bro. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:32, February 11, 2022 (EST)
 * That last part with P.B.A.C.D. is exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks! Somethingone (talk) 09:49, February 11, 2022 (EST)