Talk:Bird (Donkey Kong series)

Consider this enemy the crow from Donkey Kong Junior?
After comparing two sprites for the Kuro and the Crow-based nitpickers, the two share very similar appearances, besides appearing with the same abilities and basically the same location. Should we consider them the same, then? --TheMorningFlash (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2018 (EST)
 * The Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia lists their appearances as just GB DK, unlike Spark, which shows both DK Jr, and GB DK. Granted, this is the same source that lists the SMUSA Spark in a different section and has separate sections for "Trouble Bug" (arcade DK) and "Drum Fire" (GB DK), along with the separation of Pauline into two characters, so it's not the most reliable source in regards to things like that.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:58, 15 February 2018 (EST)

Having just played through the game, I'd like to revisit this. The only level they are in is a recreation of Stage 4 from DKJr, with the added twist that Mario is pushing up locks to trap DK Jr instead of Jr. pushing up keys to free DK, and Poison Mushrooms replacing Snapjaws. Perhaps there should indeed be a split n' merge here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:16, 10 December 2018 (EST)
 * I honestly thought the split of the Game Boy Donkey Kong Nitpickers into three articles was unnecessarily confusing since the main difference between each them is the stage layout, but we do have references also calling the raven enemies from Donkey Kong Junior Nitpickers (albeit via the licensed home ports). LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:54, 10 December 2018 (EST)
 * All of which came before the "Kuro" name was a thing. Additionally, most enemies in that game follow one of a few different behavior types, ie "walking back-and-forth," "walking around platforms," "walking around platforms and having spikes," and those birds. There are other enemy types that don't fit into a mold, and the ones that do typically have some variation (like whether or not they can be picked up), but the point still stands. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2018 (EST)
 * True, but it does complicate the name somewhat - suppose it merges, should we title it "Nitpicker (crow)" (taking クロ to mean that since its color was purple or blue instead of black in the original game), title it "Crow (Nitpicker)" (with the another language tag remaining), or something else? And as a side note, if all these different birds are technically not Nitpickers either way, then I feel we should at least split the Mario vs. Donkey Kong Bird from Nitpicker for consistency (also as it seems to be a toy variation according to the artwork in March of the Minis, and we've already split most of the series' other mechanical counterparts of organic enemies). LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:40, 10 December 2018 (EST)
 * Additional things to note: the description from the old encyclopedia calls it a crow (カラス) and doesn't refer to its color at all, supporting the notion that "Kuro" was meant to romanize as "Crow" instead of doubling as the Japanese word for "black" (which could just be a consequence of the Game Boy sprites). Also, the same source we have naming the original arcade enemy a "Nitpicker" is also the same one that refers to the actual Nitpicker by a different name (Stookybird), so these birds were probably always intended to be separate. So I think "Crow (enemy)" would be the best option for the title, as Nitpicker seems to be a genuine mistake. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2018 (EST)
 * Should we leave Kuro as a redirect? I'm used to the name Kuro. -- 11:56, 16 December 2018 (EST)
 * I don't see why not. I should mention that I see "Crow" more often transliterated as "Kurō" (クロウ / クロー), so perhaps we could leave "Kuro" alone just to be cautious, although it would look awkward next to the other Donkey Kong Junior enemies. Any other suggestions on the title? LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2018 (EST)
 * I do't think "Crow" would look awkward next to Hawks, Sniper, and several other romanizeable names, as well as several that were named in later games like MvsDK. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:25, 16 December 2018 (EST)