Talk:Not-Bottomless Hole

Merge this article to List of Not-Bottomless Holes in Paper Mario: The Origami King
Like when the List of colorless spots in Paper Mario: Color Splash was created, the colorless spot article redirects to it, because the article would be short on its own. Similarly, Not-Bottomless Hole page is pretty short and has capability to merge with List of Not-Bottomless Holes in Paper Mario: The Origami King, having the same characteristics as the colorless spot article.

Proposer: Deadline: September 22, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) I created the colorless spot page as a list because I thought "colorless spot" was a bit abstract of a concept and would be weird to have a page on. Not-Bottomless Holes are clearly defined and have a more proper name, so this short article can stay. It'd be weird to link to the list every time.
 * 2) Per Scrooge200.
 * 3) I personally think we shouldn't have separate list articles like this for a subject that doesn't have an article itself, otherwise it just seems like an awkward and unnecessary distinction. I'd rather see "List of Not-Bottomless Holes" merged here and "List of colorless spots" in its entirety moved to "Colorless spot".
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) This article is good for explaining how Not-Bottomless holes work, and the list page is good for listing their locations.
 * 6) Unlike the colorless spots which were much more conjectural as to what they were even called, these are named entities in the game, and play a much more explicit role. Thusly, I feel like this article should stay.

Comments
@Waluigi Time. So you're saying that it would be better if the list was merged to this page, and the same goes to the colorless spot page? 12:37, September 9, 2020 (EDT)
 * Yeah. -- 12:40, September 9, 2020 (EDT)
 * Regarding on what said, (mostly on the colorless spot page being to abstract, it being weird to link to list,) I think it would be better to merge the list to this and rename the colorless spot list. Agree?  12:45, September 9, 2020 (EDT)
 * Well that's basically what I said in my vote, so yes. -- 13:06, September 9, 2020 (EDT)

Merge the list into this article
The above proposal had the right idea, but had it backwards - this article should not be merged into the list, the list should be merged into this article. It's unnecessary to have the list separate since Not-Bottomless Holes only appear in this one game and the article without the list is barely a paragraph long, so length is hardly an issue even when the list is finished. Therefore, it's more convenient to just have the list on the article than to have it tucked away in a "see also" link at the bottom of the page. Even if the length did become an issue, we'd have to split the list into parts anyway (probably by streamer), since the list without the article is barely any smaller.

Note that Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) isn't split, even though there is far more non-list content there. I also don't think the list of Catch Cards needs to be split from Catch Card, but that's a whole other proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: June 9, 2021, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per all. Since it seems some images will encompass multiple Not-Bottomless Holes, rather than one image for every individual one, I don't think this'll need to be split. Although, the colorless spot page is the 109th largest on the wiki.
 * 5) Per.
 * 6) Per proposal. Having a separate article for the list of bottomless holes is redundant if they only appeared in one game.
 * 7) I agree with the proposal and its supporters.
 * 8) I support increased convenience for readers. Per all.
 * 9) Per all. This is consistent with other articles and lists on the wiki, and for the time being, at least, length is not an issue.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Definitely support, especially considering the current condition of this article.
 * 12) Per all.

Comments
A similar structure is used on the Cutout article, with a brief description of what a Cutout is, and then a table that lists them. I think it looks good there. Also, do you think the handling of the hidden Toads article is fine? 23:37, May 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * I think the hidden Toads article is incomplete. Somethingone (talk) 07:50, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * The article itself has the right idea, but there's still a lot more work needed to be done on it. 07:52, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
 * The hidden Toads list article is fine as it is from a structural standpoint, since both it and the Toad (species) article would be too big to comfortably merge. 15:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
 * Ah, I guess. Thanks for answering. 00:49, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

Grammar
Under the section "Bonehead Island" it says: 4 holes seen right away at the the ship arrives on the island. Is this sentence missing something? (Bonehead Island has the same problem.) --Dine2017 (talk) 02:21, March 6, 2023 (EST)
 * It was a grammar issue, I fixed it. 05:28, March 6, 2023 (EST)