Talk:Blue Toad (character)

Blue Toad page
I created a Blue Toad page as seeing other species members like the colored yoshis having their own pages. Seeing as he is also a hero in the new game, NSMB Wii I think he should get a page. I will add more later. Pichufan93

Actually you're right. However, it's always a better idea to add all the info at once rather than "do it later".-- 18:03, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Sorry about that, I was kind of busy too. Pichufan93

Yellow Toad
What about the yellow toad? Will he get a page???

Yes! I will make him one too over the weekend (time)! he needs a good solo pic too :( Edit: I made him one now. Pichufan93

Blue and Yellow Toad's Nicknames
http://www.destructoid.com/nsmb-wii-release-bash-bucken-berry-and-ala-gold--155242.phtml

According to the article, the nicknames of the Blue Toad and the Yellow Toad, given to them by the development team, are Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold.

...No comment. - Smashgoom202 22:51, 18 November 2009 (EST)
 * The article's author asked an unspecified Nintendo rep (not Miyamoto or another developer) who didn't really know about the tournament, but otherwise knew "a lot of stuff." The rep told about nicknames supposedly used by the Japanese developers and whispered two names that don't sound typical for Kinopio at all. At the end, the author even humourously writes "I don't know if this guy knows what he's talking about or not, but I don't care". I can't take this seriously unless one of the developers confirms it in an interview or something. It could just be a joke made by the rep. --Grandy02 12:45, 8 January 2010 (EST)

"Blue Toad" or "Blue Toads"?
Are we to assume that every instance a blue-color schemed Toad has been featured in a Mario game, it's the same one? That seems like a lot of speculation to me. Redstar 18:06, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Well he shares a lot of similarities and usually in the main story games, there is usually one blue toad and numerous red toads (the spinnoffs usually have large numbers of them). I think it's best to leave him as he is for now seeing as there is a toad species article to relate to. It also seems likely he is the same as he is often seen with the other 4 toads in most of his appearences. User:Pichufan93

Split and Merge Article
It cannot be assumed that just because a particular Toad is wearing blue, that every Toad wearing blue is the same individual. Prior to NSMBW, yblue Toads were simply generic background characters and had no real personality. Even the only personality-trait of the Super Mario Galaxy Blue Toad, of wearing glasses, is not found in this new Toad. This all suggests that they are different Toads that simply share a choice in clothing color. As it stands now, this article covers every appearance of a blue Toad, regardless of whether they may be the same Toad or not. The article also covers blue Toads "as a species", which is far too distinct a subject to cover on the same page; not to mention the different-colored Yoshi aren't considered different species, just variety.

What this proposal hopes to achieve is to split off and merge all relevant information to the correct articles to create more comprehensive and specialized topics. Information to be merged are as follows:


 * Blue Toads in a group, such as in Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy to be merged into the Toad Brigade article.
 * Blue Toads "as a species" to be merged into the Toad (species) article. Assuming different coloration is indicative of separate species is too speculative for this wiki, as well as largely-disproven due to indication of vest and cap as articles of clothing in most media. This standard is also followed for Yoshi (species), wherein differently-colored Yoshi are not considered separate species, but just variety.
 * The blue Toad of NSMBW into a new article, covering only that particular Toad. His singular nature, differing personality, and lack of a group suggests he is a new character. Suggested article names are his development name, "Boppen Berry", or simply "Blue Toad (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)".

Proposer: Deadline: 13 February 2010

'''Please vote here, as both this page and Blue Toad must be dealt with the same way. Since any decision made for one page must be carried out on the other page, only one vote concerning the two articles will be held.'''

Wait, hold on... whose idea was it to have two pages, Blue Toad (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) and Blue Toad (Toad Brigade)? I saw that there was a proposal about it, but having two pages wasn't part of the proposal. And if you ask me, having two pages really doesn't make sense. First off, the pages are written as if these two toads are certainly two different characters. But there's no reason to assume that they're different; if you ask me, it's more likely that they are the same character, since Nintendo seems to be using him in several games. And second, whether there are two toads or one, there is still no problem with having a single Blue Toad page. The page could discuss blue toads in general, and it could also describe the specific roles that blue toads have in Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii. (And in my opinion, it should also mention that these two toads could be the same.) Would there be any problem with that? There's a single page for Blue Yoshi, even though there's no proof that all blue yoshis are the same character. And everything I said here applies to Yellow Toad, too. 22:00, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Redstar's, and mines. I helped Redstar split Blue Toad, because they are different, and have different names!!! (Blue Toad (NSMBW) is Bucken-Berry, and Blue Toad (Toad Brigade) is just Blue Toad.) It is just too messy. It also said that Toad looked blue in Super Mario Bros. 2, and that it is also a species.
 * Did you read the article that's linked to above? The "Bucken-Berry" thing isn't official, it's just a name that some random representative gave, and he might have been joking. That's no reason to have two separate pages... and it wasn't messy at all when it was one article, I think. And like I said, having a single "Blue Toad" page doesn't necessarily mean that there is only one blue toad. 22:24, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Still, the Blue toad in the Toad Brigade isn't brave, while the Blue toad in NSMBW is. Same thing goes with Yellow Toad. I'm going to email Nintendo to ask them if Bucken-Berry (or Yvan) is the official name for Blue Toad.
 * You can do that, but "Bucken-Berry" isn't official and has never been released by Nintendo. Maybe it isn't really the developers' name at all. And I see your point about the personalities, but like I originally said, there can be a single Blue Toad page that covers more than one toad (that's how it is with Blue Yoshi.) And second of all, they may have different personalities, but that's no reason to assume that they can't be the same character, no matter what. In fact, I think the odds are as likely as not that it's one toad. According to this wiki, the Toad Brigade was promoted to royal guards in the special ending of Super Mario Galaxy - so doesn't it make sense that two of those toads would help to save Princess Peach? 14:35, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Well, Blue Yoshi is about the blue yoshi species, while the original Blue Toad page toad about the color limitations, the Toad Brigade one, the NSMBW one, and Blue Toad as a species. The Blue Toad wears glasses in Super Mario Galaxy, he doesn't wear glasses in New Super Mario Bros Wii (or did he get contacts??). And the IGN called Blue Toad (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) Yvan.
 * He could have gotten contacts... that cook toad in Thousand Year Door wore contacts, so why couldn't blue toad? And IGN is an unofficial fan site, so a name given by IGN is not official at all, and isn't relevant to this wiki's format. 21:45, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Well, they are still different characters, or how about let's merge Yoshi and Baby Yoshi into Green Yoshi, Super Mario 64 DS into Super Mario 64, Metal Mario (character) into Metal Mario (form), Baby Mario into Mario, and Toadiko into Toadette. The reason why we don't merge them is because merging them are stupid; they are different characters/games/etc..

This appears to be a problem only with you, CrystalYoshi. The proposal passed, and I believe it did with a vast majority. I'd definitely be willing to re-consider the proposal and revise the outcome if more people express a similar thought as yours, though at this point it seems that no one entirely minds.

I think the real problem is that both resulting articles are rather shoddy. I'm sorry, but I've been rather busy with school and personal projects, so I haven't done much more than split and do a little re-writing. Rather than worry yet again whether or not there's sufficient difference to merit the two Blue Toads and Yellow Toads as different characters, I think we should work to re-write and expand each article to a point where they can stand on their own. At that point we can certainly re-consider whether it's worth keeping them split. Redstar 17:23, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
 * Okay, I guess you're right about that. I was just giving my opinion. I'm just wondering one more thing, though - KS3, what makes you so sure that they are different characters?