User talk:BBQ Turtle

'If you're here to ask anything about the changes to the Mario & Sonic'' coverage, could you check this first please? It might already answer the question and save us both some time- and I've probably explained it better there too- but anything I haven't covered there is fine to ask about. Thanks!'''

Editing too much.
You have been editing too much on a single page in the span of a few minutes. Please make all of your changes in one big edit, instead of several as it clogs up the Recent changes page. You can use the "Show Preview" button to check your edits before you publish them. It's very important to remember, so that way you don't make another edit to fix a mistake. Thanks! – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 15:45, 1 March 2017 (EST)

Sorry
I'm very sorry, I had a complete blank and forgot about the preview button. I really was not trying to cause any problems, I think I pressed the wrong key when adding a link, and therefore there was an error with the image. I was just trying to fix it.

Mecha-Cheep
The headers on the Mecha Cheep page have been removed before recently, because the page is short and doesn't need headers. -- 15:14, 3 March 2017 (EST)

Last warning
Removing your talk page comments is not acceptable at all on this wiki. If you do it again, you could get blocked for a few weeks. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2017 (EST)
 * This is fairly undeserved. As far as I'm aware, BBQ Turtle did not do it again after receiving an informal reminder on the subject, and even if he did remove them again, doing so does not warrant a last warning. I recommend that you appeal this.
 * But still. Removing content on talk pages is not allowed under any circumstance. And considering that he removed all of it, except for the welcome message, it felt warranted to deserve a last warning. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 16:50, 3 March 2017 (EST)
 * Whilst that is correct, many people wrongly assume they are allowed to remove messages, and stop after being told not to do so, which is the case here. Also, once a user receives an informal reminder, no further action is taken unless they continue to commit the offence. And even if action were to be taken, removing messages is not a level 3 offence, it is a level 2 offence.

I'm Sorry
I'm very sorry, I did not realise we are not allowed to delete messages on our discussion pages. I don't mean to be rude or ignorant, but I'm new here and am still learning the ropes. I do pay attention to anything that is posted on my page, and ensure that I do not make the same mistakes in the future. I am trying my best to read all of the guidelines and rule pages, and I don't mean to do anything wrong. I know now and, will ensure that it is not done again in the future. I'm so sorry!


 * It's OK. Originally I did stuff I wasn't supposed to do and learned very quickly from my mistakes. Now, I can provide top-quality edits on any page. Eventually, you'll get used to how the wiki works and be an expert editor. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2017 (EST)
 * Thank you so, so much! I'm really not trying to be rude, but would I still need to appeal against the warning to have it removed or downgraded
 * I would advise it, because a warning like that remains on your permanent record, and as you stopped performing the action after receiving the informal reminder it does come across as unwarranted (no offence Owencrazyboy9).
 * Where does the appeal need to be placed? Does it need to go beneath the waning, or on a different page?
 * The appeal goes on this page. Follow the layout it has on there, and wait a few days for the staff to discuss. Also, remember to sign your comments, to do so use: Hope that helps :)
 * Is that in the cases section?
 * Sign the comments with four ~ instead. Much easier :P 17:51, 4 March 2017 (EST)
 * Thanks! When appealing, does the appeal need to go in the cases section at the bottom?
 * Yes it does.

Mario Kart 8 sponsors
I noticed that you started adding the sponsors on Mario Kart 8 tracks. Maybe you already knew it, but here you can find, in the models of the tracks, all the sponsors' signs that you can upload on the wiki to then create galleries. It doesn't contain the textures of the objects such as cars, buses and airplanes (those will have to be manually uploaded by me, when I'll have time), but it might be a nice start, if it isn't too much work for you.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:28, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Hi, I would really love to be able to do that, and if I could do it I really would. But the thing is, I am absolutely terrible with all things that include uploading and the computer (It usually takes me five attempts to properly edit anything), so I don't think I'd be able to do it, I'm terribly sorry. Right now, my high-tech method for finding all of the sponsors is my brother driving round courses on time trials and ramming into walls when we see a sponsor, and me writing it down in a notebook! I'm so sorry that I can't do it, but hopefully all of the courses in Mario Kart 8 should have sponsors by the end of next week at the latest, and then I'm onto Mario Kart Wii. I'm extremely happy to hear that you'll upload the trucks and buses at some point though! :DBBQ Turtle (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Oh, I also forgot to say thank you so much for actually noticing! I know it is a rather minor subject, and it doesn't stick out obviously, but it is nice to know that some people are looking at it! By the way, I finished the entire lot today! But thank you so much for noticing, and I do apologise for not being able to upload any more images. BBQ Turtle (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Don't worry about that, I too will likely not be able to upload all the sponsors. Your idea is nice, anyway - in the past Mario Kart games the sponsors were typically covered in the galleries, but in the case of MK8 covering the single courses makes sense as there's a lot of sponsors now and the banners of the same company can even change depending on the course! Thanks for this initial work. I also wish you a happy Easter!--Mister Wu (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Very happy Easter to you too. I'm going to see what I can do, but I'm very happy to hear that you're going to try and help. BBQ Turtle (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I would be willing to help, actually. I had also responded to your request on the talk page you asked in, also (coincidentally) linking to the same site Mister Wu linked to. Just give me time, I won't be available today. 19:30, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Thank you, I found that yesterday but I didn't have time to reply on the talk page, I was actually going to go and do it now! Thanks for offering to help whenever you can, I'll see what I can do too, but I was given lots of homework to do over the holidays so I may not have much more time. I may be able to start some today though! BBQ Turtle (talk) 06:19, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I've finally managed to get stuff from that website! I'm trying to upload as much as I can at the moment, I've got everything we were missing (and some I didn't realise that were missing) from Toad Harbor though!:D BBQ Turtle (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

Image Category Reminder
Several of your Mario Kart 8 uploads today were missing Category:Mario Kart 8 Images. -- 14:30, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm very, very sorry, I did not realise that you had to categorise images, and until now I did not know how to. I'm about to upload some more, but I will ensure that they are all categorised as Mario Kart 8 images from now on. Sorry for any issues that may have caused. BBQ Turtle (talk) 14:33, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii quotes
Most Mario Kart Wii voice clips are already ripped, try checking out The Sounds Resource for them. 13:48, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Thank you, I didn't know that, I'll take a look in a minute. Thank you very much! :D BBQ Turtle (talk) 13:49, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Moving files
Hi. As you probably know, moving pages to a new name leaves the old name behind as a redirect. When moving files in the future, please remember to mark the old name for deletion using, as we don't allow file redirects. Thanks! 07:19, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Sorry about that, I was planning to mark them for deletion after I had done the lot. I have to stop now any way, thanks for deleting them though. Sorry for any problems that may have caused! BBQ Turtle (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

Re:Mario Circuit (GCN)
Really, it just depends on which side of the page you put the images on. I moved them so that they wouldn't just seem to cut off part of the text. 13:03, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
 * Righty-ho, thank you for that. (: Do you reckon I should remove the ? BBQ Turtle (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

RE: Congratulations!
Thank you :) I noticed that last night, but it's changed now :P

Page Categories
Just something to keep in mind as you're editing: per MarioWiki:Categories, categories relating to games should be listed last (and in alphabetical order). Using Bob-omb Plugs as an example, Category:Mario Companies should be the first category listed, followed by Category:Mario Kart 8 and Category:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. 16:56, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
 * It's one of the more obscure rules, to be sure, and it's not particularly intuitive. I just keep in mind that the species goes at the top, the games go at the bottom, and everything else gets stuffed in between. 17:23, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

Sponsors
Since you're adding the sponsors from the Wii U Mario Kart game and its unnecessary remake, will you add the one's from the previous games, like KoopaAir and Luigip/Luigi's, which have about the same amount of relevance to the games they're in as these do? Just curious. 17:46, 26 August 2017 (CT)

Sponsor pages
Hello there. I come baring news, both good and bad. Bad news: several members, including myself, were wondering about the validity of the sponsors pages you have been creating. You have done a good job finding all this information, however we've concluded that separate pages for the sponsors aren't necessary and could easily fit into a page, to go along with the Gallery:Sponsors in the Mario Kart series page. That's the good news. You're welcome to include everything onto one page, meaning your information wouldn't be lost, and have the individual pages become redirects. However, it's been noticed that some of the information is speculation, so (while I'm not seeing any myself) be sure to go over your work during the move. 12:02, 31 August 2017 (EDT)
 * The only other way I can think of is the outright deletion of them, but I don't think you'd want that. I realize there are a lot of sponsors in the Mario Kart series, but it really would make more sense to have them as a list. The speculation surrounding what we think they do would have to be cut, as all we have to off of on this is the logos. There's no solid concrete evidence of anything the companies do, really. You've done a good job, but the pages really don't need to go that in depth about the sponsor. For all we know, Nintendo didn't put any (or at least, little) thought into making them and just made a logo of some kart-related kind.
 * "Validity" may have been the wrong word to use. I think I meant "relevance"? 16:21, 31 August 2017 (EDT)
 * If you're worried about a full list of sponsors being too large of a page (and I totally agree, it would be HUGE), separate articles for the individual games would work as well, like . 22:42, 31 August 2017 (EDT)
 * If you're unsure as to how to structure the page, you can always make a post on the forums about it. And once the page is created, other users can help with the speculative stuff.
 * For the sections, a simple description of the sponsor, such as who it's based on and what it's about, will do along with an image. Your idea sounds good, I like the table chart idea :) 15:55, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Yeah, they can be left as is for now. 16:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

There's no need to put "I'm not vandalizing" in your edit summaries. As long as you explain the purpose of your edit, you'll be fine. However, I will say that it may be best to make the section on the collective page before converting the original page into a redirect so the redirect isn't broken. Just a thought. 15:27, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello! Just so you know (as I've fixed a few recently), when you move the content of the pages to the new page, please remember to change the redirects that lead to the original page so that they lead to the new page. This helps prevent broken double redirects. Thanks! -- 21:42, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Bus
The screenshot shows it as bright, reflective mahogany, which is red, not pink. Trust me, I've played the game many times, and there are no pink buses to speak of. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
 * I still say the greater portion of the buses are a dark, shiny red. The side panels are a light red-to-dark dull pink, I'll give you. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

Car proposal passed
It's all you. :) 19:10, 15 November 2017 (EST)


 * Looks good!


 * The trucks and oil tanker can just be in one Truck article, and if they're different (e.g. some of them have ramps / Dash Panels on them), just mention them on the page. As for the taxi, we have a Taxi article for the taxis in Odyssey, but I think it'd be better suited in Car (obstacle). 23:47, 16 November 2017 (EST)


 * Sounds like something that could use another proposal. 19:15, 17 November 2017 (EST)


 * The proposal can be done under "New features" on Proposals. My suggestion would be an option to create a single Truck article housing every type of truck, which also mentions the differences between them, if any (i.e. the ramp / glide ramp trucks); an option to create Truck, but also create separate articles for the ramp and glide ramp trucks; and an oppose (do nothing) option. 04:47, 20 November 2017 (EST)

About you Anagram challenge in The 'Shroom
Hi, I just want to comment that you did a good job on your first anagram puzzle in the latest issue of The 'Shroom. However, you made a small error in the bonus anagram. You colored the spaces in the main anagrams and had us think there are two "S"s in the answer instead of two "R"s. Anyway, you still did a good job, you stumped me on a few of them, but I'm looking forward to your next puzzle in next month's issue. Char89Charizard (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2017 (EST)


 * Well the two anagrams that uses 2 colored S spaces are 5. Conker Dynamics and 10. Modest Boo. All you need to do to fix the error is change one of the S colored spaces into an R colored space. And since number 5 has an R in the puzzle, you can fix it by coloring in the spot where the R should be and removing the color where the S was supposed to be. Char89Charizard (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2017 (EST)


 * Notice a mistake in your latest anagram puzzle. In the last entry you put Rooks Hum Park with the answer as Mushroom Park. Did one of the Ks turned into an M? Char89Charizard (talk) 16:50, 5 January 2018 (EST)


 * Rooks Hum Mark? But that would leave out the P wouldn't it? Char89Charizard (talk) 17:16, 5 January 2018 (EST)


 * You did it again. You left out an S for number 10, not to mention you were one letter short.

Redirects
One thing to keep in mind as you edit: directly linking to redirects is discouraged. 18:26, 24 November 2017 (EST)
 * Arbitrarily making exceptions like that isn't all that good. I'd stick to directly linking to the pages. 18:37, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Order of navigation templates
I elaborated on my oppose vote on this proposal, which I think you might want to comment on, especially regarding the last point. 16:07, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Re:Mario Kart Wii
Oh my thank you so much for the needed edits! I can't work on the article right now but I am so grateful for you pitching in and fixing things needed for Mario Kart Wii to pass. 15:13, 6 March 2018 (EST)
 * Basically, I've already done everything that needs to be featured. Essentially, what Time Turner stated in his oppose is what needs to be fixed. But for articles in general, if you're not sure if it should be featured or not, it doesn't hurt to ask! 15:31, 6 March 2018 (EST)

Event table
Hey. On the Event page, what do you think about copying the row with games under each header, instead of keeping one above all? It may look repetitive, but I think the table would be easier to follow this way. Just an idea. -- 08:08, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

EDIT: Like this:

-- 08:10, 5 July 2018 (EDT)


 * I don't see a problem with tucking in an additional row even for the smaller headlines. The table is difficult to follow right now--different versions are divided in such a way that the user does not know which one is which unless they scroll up to see, know what I mean? I know I had this problem, and even if I have it figured out now, I might still not be 100% sure and have to check. I get lost easily when I have to count the columns and remember things at the same time, and one cannot guarantee that other users don't have this problem.


 * Below I formatted the whole table so that the row with games appears under each headline. The first table lists games with their whole titles, while the other is more abridged in that regard. I'll leave it to you to decide which one looks better than the other or if none are good. Also, it seems that the appearance enforced by the nav template (black bolded links instead of blue links, smaller letters etc.) make the table look even more appealing, so we can format the table ourselves to look similar. -- 06:03, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Event table (continuation)
(I've made another section to spare me the tedium of scrolling through the huge table code when writing you a message.)

Adding a new column like that wouldn't change much, in my opinion. If anything, it would clutter the table even more. Again, I find that the most intuitive way to format the table is to add the row of games under each class. After all, the goal of the table is to inform in a clear way, which of course would induce repetitiveness but this is irrelevant to a database-like table. And if we change the links to appear black instead of blue like in the nav template above, we could even make it pleasing to the eye!

On a related note, I'm seeing that your proposal doesn't get much traction. I'm sorry, I wish more people participated to it because it is important. In this case, I think that a NO QUORUM would let you do what you proposed, since the proposal is about a preferable way something is implemented on the wiki. So take an informal support vote from me because it don't matter any mo'. And if someone objects after things are done, they are free to open another proposal. -- 14:46, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
 * Ok. I'll add it with functional black links. -- 15:22, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

What do you say? -- 06:07, 7 July 2018 (EDT)