Talk:Mushroom

I think the picture at the top should be in Super Mushroom, because it's actually a super mushroom. Also this page should cover more about mushrooms in general, instead of just items in the RPGs that are called only mushrooms.

Merge M&L series mushrooms together
As stated above, I propose to merge Mushroom, Super Mushroom (just M&L info), Ultra Mushroom, and Max Mushroom (just M&L info) into a seperate page or on the main mushroom page. We already have the Nuts ajoined, so we should also ajoin these stated above together to get rid of the small articles they are.

Proposer: Deadline: 11 February 2010, 17:00

Merge Mushrooms together on a Separate article

 * 1) - Good idea. It gets rid of stubs and it will join more of the mushroom family together.

Merge Mushrooms together on main Mushroom article

 * 1) - Per all I said above and the logic of how the other sections would have to be seperated and cause the mess.
 * 2) We did it with the Nuts article and we will be doing it with the Syrup page, so we need to be consistent. Here is the syrup talk page: syrup talk
 * 3) - Per the shell that reflects the wavelength light of red and consistency.
 * 4) - Per all: consistency and streamlined navigation are always to be striven for.
 * 5) Consistency!

Comments
I want to know how you could name the page for the mushrooms that appear in the Mario & Luigi series in case this proposal succeeds, please.
 * Well, possibly Mushroom (Mario & Luigi) or any similar name. Don't worry, that is not the only name I thought of.
 * "Mushroom (Mario & Luigi series)" perhaps? You need to decide on the name before the proposal passes so the voters know exactly what we'll be getting. - 23:35, 30 January 2010 (EST)
 * Yeah, that is a better name, so if my side wins, than we will call it what Walkazo said. Also, just in case like the syrups, the page won't be a sentence or two long, as you can see by the fact of the paragraghs they are right now.
 * You see, Red Shell 68066vr, the Nuts article needs to be expanded, the syrups do to! The mushroom info is not to little, so it can be a seperate article! The Nuts are a seperate page BTW, just that there was no other nuts. Do you see what I'm trying to say? Also, Nuts and Syrups only appeared in two games, Mushrooms all three! Do you understand what I'm saying? - Baby Mario Bloops
 * Regardless of that, he (or she?) has a point. A strong one in fact. Consistency is just as important as expanding articles, if not more important. - 17:19, 4 February 2010 (EST)
 * Now what makes you say that putting it on another page say that it won't be consistent? Just because RS ####vr (sorry, got lazy) said that it will be consistent doesn't mean it won't be either way. Leaving them alone as seperate articles will break the consistenty, though.

I assume that is why he/she didn't vote to "leave them alone". - 17:32, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Consistency is important. When we look in the syrup page, for example, we see all the syrups names and all of this stuff. When we look in the Mushroom article, however, we see that there is barely/no information on the mushroom items! It's on a separate article!

The Mushroom article has more info, yes, but wouldn't hurt to expand more. Besides, placing all the Mushrooms in another article will probably create a stub since they look exactly like mushrooms, except that they restore different amounts of HP.

(Separate is spelled like this, FYI. Sorry for being a spelling nut. :


 * STOP USING THE SYRUP PAGE AS A REFERENCE!!!! We need to expand it like the Nuts page. Also, like above, Mushrooms won't be a stub as a seperate article because they been in all the games!!! (3 games, Nuts/syrups - 2 games) Personally, I think it would be more consistent if it was seperate because it would help users find it easier instead of looking throughout the Mushroom Page. And, we bring it to this page, lot of stuff is going to be added that could have been a complete non-stub article!!!! Please, everyone, get that in your head if you don't already!

Err... calm down. The opposers do have valid reasons to oppose after all. They are correct, splitting it into a separate page for the M&L series isn't very consistent. We would also have to create an article for, and so on for consistency.-- 19:45, 5 February 2010 (EST)
 * I'm not angry at all. Also, that is a very good valid point, but also we have articles that have stuff that is seperated that the other stuff should be seperated too for consistentity but isn't.

Split Mushroom (Super Mario RPG info) into Mushroom and Mushroom (status effect)
I tried deleting the notice in the Super Mario RPG section but Knife reverted the change, so I decided to create this proposal. As Knife says, it explains its status effect too. It simply can't do it. So I propose that we split them.

Proposer: Deadline: 20 February 2010, 20:00

Split them

 * 1) per proposal
 * 2) - Per proposal
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) - They aren't the same, then they shouldn't be under the same header name...
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) Per all.

Merge SMRPG Mushrooms onto one page....
Yes, another Mushroom one, like we don't have enough, but, for the consistent info, we should have Mushroom (SMRPG info), Bad Mushroom, Mid Mushroom, and Max Mushroom merged together. Just like the Mushroom one I did above, and the Syrup one, they are too small to be better off and since we already merged one thing, we need to be consistent.

Proposer: Deadline: 25 February 2010, 20:00

Merge SMRPG Mushrooms onto main Mushroom Page

 * 1) - Many reasons: Proposal maker, consistent, etc etc etc...
 * 2) Max Mushroom is a stub now.
 * 3) - Seeing as the M&L Mushrooms have all been merged, the only consistent thing to do would be to merge Bad Mushroom, Mid Mushroom, and Max Mushroom into the SMRPG section of the Mushroom page as well. Saving space, scrapping stubs and speeding up navigation are also pluses.

Comments
Just noting, you spelled separate wrong again (seperate)

Merge PM Mushrooms together
You already know what I'm about to say, but those who don't know: I plan to merge the PM mushrooms (Mushroom (PM info), Super Shroom, Ultra Shroom, and Slow Shroom) together to help with consistency that is going on, delete small pages, blah blah blah, you get the point. Please more votes this time.

Proposer: Deadline: 14 March 2010, 2:00

Leave PM Mushrooms as separate Pages

 * 1) The Paper Mario mushrooms are a lot more unique and major than the M&L and SMRPG mushrooms.
 * 2) I know it's still early to vote. But, the pages are not that short, have plentiful info that should never be merged, and per above with the uniqueness of the articles. I only did this in favor of KS3 since he didn't make a proposal himself...
 * 3) - Unlike in M&L and SMRPG, the PM Mushrooms can be used in recipes, which makes Super Shrooms and Ultra Shrooms more unique than if they just restored different amounts of HP. Slow Shroom is even more different than regular Mushrooms, and shouldn't even be considered for a merge.
 * 4) Okay, what the hell. Slow shrooms don't restore health, and there are a lot of shrooms in Paper Mario. And they can be used in recipes. Per Walkazo.

Comments
The pages could work just staying alone, may be better to merge it here, or to merge onto one single page. I don't know, and I want to see what people's opinion's are.
 * - KS3, not to be at all mean, I'm just saying this for reference next time. When your wondering if a proposal should be made, and you think that someone else is going to make it, then just make it if the person hasn't yet. It will save some confusion for some users...

Types of Mushrooms
Shouldn't Bee Mushroom, Boo Mushroom, and Rock Mushroom also be in the Types of Mushrooms section?? They are mushrooms too...
 * The section is missing tons of mushrooms. I say we just scrap the section.


 * I agree, we already have the mushroom template anyway at the bottom.--


 * They should at least be listed somewhere in the article, perhaps also indicating the game (or media) of origin. Culex 11:40, 10 April 2010 (EDT)


 * Well, you should blame it all on me. I added that section, and I thought about just adding the "Major Mushrooms." You're right, we should screw this.


 * People, go here. 17:39, 27 April 2010 (EDT) (Even though I hate EDT and it is supposed to be GMT)

Move Super Mushroom information to Super Mushroom
Yeah, I was the idiot who added all the Super Mushroom information to the Mushroom article. Anyway, this article is supposed to be dealing with types of Mushrooms, but I somehow screwed up and added the Super Mushroom information in this article. I say we move it to the Super Mushroom article, since it should specifically deal with Super Mushrooms. It's basically the same issue I had with Egg and Yoshi Egg.

Proposer: Deadline: 4 May 2010, 24:00

Support

 * 1) Why should I oppose my own proposal?
 * 2) eriFnOigiuLybaB reP.
 * 3) Per all. And go here
 * 4) Different Names. Different Article needed.

Move Mega Mushroom info, Poison Mushroom info, etc. to their respective articles
I noticed that a lot of mushrooms are missing from the Types of Mushrooms section, and there is a proposal undergoing that wants to move the Super Mushroom info to the Super Mushroom article, so we should move the rest of the mushrooms too (except for the RPG Mushrooms).

Proposer: Deadline: May 8 2010, 23:59

Support

 * 1) Per myself

Comments
This doesn't need a proposal. All information stated in those small sections are already mentioned in their respective articles and we can just delete them if you think they're so much of a hassle. This is also coming from the guy who created that section in the first place, so yeah.
 * Okay. 22:40, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

Your proposal ends in a question, which isn't really a proposition. I'm not really sure what you want to even do with this. -- 23:22, 1 May 2010 (EDT)

First Apperance
I think it first appeared in Super Mario Bros (1985)


 * I remember that it first appeared in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the 7 stars. The mushroom you might be thinking about is this one. 00:13, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

But that is still a mushroom and they have the exact same picture.
 * Well, please look above at the TPPs. 14:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Artwork
So, apparently this article has a long proposal history. I haven't thoroughly checked all of them yet, I just assume that the info on this page got split from a larger article about Mushrooms at one point. So nowadays, this article is about the Mushroom item found in the RPGs, right? If that's the case, we cannot use the Mushroom artwork from New Super Mario Bros. Wii's Super Mushroom on this page, since that's a completely unrelated item. We need to use artwork from the RPGs here instead. My question is: Does Bowser's Inside Story have official Mushroom artwork that can go on the page? Or any other recent RPG for that matter? - 08:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

No... But it has a sprite.

???
AHEM! Where is the mushrooms from the Party Series? I just can't believe they aren't listed anywhere! How totally wrong!!! 09:19, 6 November 2011 (EST)

All Types
I suggest we merge all types of mushrooms (Mini Mushroom, Mega Mushroom, Bee Mushrom, etc.) in one page with its own section and list of appearances to save room on this wiki.
 * The other types of Mushroom have more details and completely different roles in the series' various games, so they are completely different, aside from them being powerups and the same type of Fungal life. I would oppose on the basis of these facts.

WRECK IT RALPH APPEARENCE (sorry caps)
The mushroom had a appearance in Wreck-it Ralph. Can I add that? I am goombob and I love paper mario games (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2013 (EDT)Goombob
 * It's actually already included here. GBAToad (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2013 (EDT)

Seperation of Mushroom and Triple Mushroom articles
Since they are seperate items, I believe it would be better to seperate them into different articles, rather than have them merged as they are now. Same applies for Shell/Triple Shell. 16:09, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Split Time Kinoko into a separate article
The "Time Kinoko" from Mario and Wario has a completely different effect from every other Mushroom on this page (the fact that this article is a mix of many different Mushrooms of different effect simply called "Mushroom" notwithstanding...), and has a different name to boot. Sure, it looks the same (more or less) as a "normal" Mushroom, but so do Super Mushrooms. The split name should probably be "Taimu Kinoko", though, at least if I understand the romanization right. Never mind, Time Kinoko is correct, see below.

Proposer: Deadline: June 3, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per Proposal
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) I was actually just considering splitting this and perhaps the Mario & Wario Star for this reason, so you get my support (and yeah, as Walkazo mentioned below - Time Kinoko).
 * 5) Time Mushroom=/=Normal Mushroom. I don't have much else to add.
 * 6) - Per all.
 * 7) This would be easier to distinguish the two, so I support.
 * 8) Per all in this one!
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all.

Comments
It'd actually would be "Time Kinoko": according to policy, we're allowed to change names borrowed from English back into the English names when using Japanese titles for ease-of-use/aesthetics (but the proper romanization still needs to be included in-text). - 17:41, 20 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Ah, thanks. That page is a rather long and intensive read, so I must have missed that part.
 * Incidentally, if anyone cares, this started as a much more ambitious proposal to split the Kart/Party Mushrooms from the RPG ones. Writing up that proposal brought up so many obvious issues (what to call the articles, what to do with the Mario Golf: World Tour section, etc.) that I scrapped it, but this more clear-cut issue came up in the process. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 17:25, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

First appearance and Latest appearance
Do this item first appear in Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario Bros. 2 and do this one appear in Super Mario Maker. To be honest, I don't understand why there is a page for Mushroom and Super Mushroom and Is there game where this item appear along with Super Mushroom because I would like to know if there are possibilities that it is the same item.-- 23:16, 8 December 2015 (EST)

Split SMRPG Mushrooms into separate articles
They're unique RPG items with different names, they should be split according to the precedent set by just about everything else. As for why this is a proposal if it's so clear-cut...

Considering the Japanese names and the items' effects, it's pretty clear that Bad Mushrooms, Mid Mushrooms, and Max Mushrooms are just different names for Poison Shrooms, Super Shrooms, and Ultra Shrooms. Because of that, I've included a few options here.

Proposer: Deadline: May 8, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Split Bad Mushroom to Poison Mushroom, Mid Mushroom to Super Shroom, and Max Mushroom to Ultra Shroom

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) This is my preferred option as well. As mentioned in a previous proposal, we have Duel Glove and Fluffin' Puffin as precedents.
 * 3) Per all there isn't any real reason to keep these articles merged other then they're short which isn't a very good reason.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Bad Mushroom is already with Poison Mushroom, so the only thing to do is get rid of Bad Mushroom and move Mid to Super and Max to Ultra.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Makes the most sense considering the near-universal precedent for all the other Square Soft / Ted Woolsey terminology.

Split M&L series Mushrooms into separate articles
More RPG items with unique names and effects, which have no business sharing a page. Considering the Japanese names (source) and effects, some of them would get merged with the Paper Mario mushrooms, though a few would get their own articles. Here's the tl;dr list of proposed changes:


 * Ultra Mushroom info moved to Ultra Shroom
 * Max Mushroom info split to Max Mushroom
 * Golden Mushroom info split to Golden Mushroom (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)
 * 1-Up Deluxe info split to 1-Up Deluxe
 * Double 1-Up Mushroom info split to Double 1-Up Mushroom

Proposer: Deadline: May 13, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Now that both of my reasons for opposing have been resolved, I don't any reason to continue to oppose.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) I agree with everything except Golden Mushroom; that should go to the Golden Mushroom page.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) Yeah. I can't see myself supporting this. It will be better to keep them where they are as they will lead to short articles (notice I didn't say stub because it is not a guarantee) especially for the Double Mushroom (which is two 1-Up Mushrooms and nothing else and only appeared in one game. It can't go with 1-Up Mushroom DX if that gets moved, but can if it stays with 1-Up Mushroom) though I can see 1-Up Mushroom DX being separate. Also, after the above one passes, Max Mushroom will have to be changed since it has that and this to work with and thus those who want Max Mushroom from SMRPG will get M&L series Max Mushroom, which is less favorable than a link to both types. However, if you make it Max Mushroom (Mario & Luigi series), then it will be one step closer to a support. Ultra Mushroom and Ultra Shroom just seem different to me, but if the other two are meant, then I will support this. As for Golden Mushroom, just add more to the Golden Mushroom page if you want to have more on it and don't make a new page. Otherwise, I am absolutely opposing this.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) There are some areas of this proposal that I support, like splitting Max Mushroom and Ultra Shroom while the one I oppose, Golden Mushroom, is the one that drags down this proposal. I think status quo would do unless the options change to reflect my opinion.
 * 4) Per YtSSM. The Golden Mushroom information should stay on Golden Mushroom, as that page covers any gold-colored mushrooms that have appeared in the Mario franchise.
 * 5) Per YtSSM

Comments
Literally the only thing the two types of Golden Mushrooms have in common is the name and color. Niiue (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * The only problem is that, if we split the Golden Mushroom just because it was different, then it wouldn't make sense not to split the rest that are different, which would cause multiple different unnecessary short articles. It also would make navigating the Wiki a little more confusing if you were looking specifically for the ones from M&L, and it is better for them to be in one spot. Also, if we did split all with different abilities, some Golden Mushrooms have similar appearances to each other but different abilities, such as Mario Party: Star Rush Golden Mushrooms using Mario Kart appearances and P&D:SMBE using the appearance from NSMB2, so it would be very confusing to split. I agree with the other splits on the proposal, but I feel the Golden Mushroom is unnecessary. -- 20:28, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * For the record, a stub is not a short article: a stub is an article that is lacking information. If a short article has all of the necessary information, it is not a stub. While a stub is often a short article, a short article is certainly not always a stub. 20:33, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Yeah, "stub" was just the first word that came to my head. However, couldn't a few sections such as New Super Mario Bros. 2 be considered a stub if it were taken from the page and put on a new page? Not only is it only two sentences long, but there isn't exactly that much information. -- 20:39, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I don't see how it'd be any more confusing than, say, the two Ice Mario pages. Niiue (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * The only similarities between the Ice Marios are the names and the fact that they are obtained from an Ice Flower. They have different appearances and many different properties, and the NSMBW Box labels Ice Mario as a "new power-up". Even if this is not a good enough answer, another problem I have with this proposal is, as said, if the above proposal passes (and it looks like it probably will), then Max Mushroom will be moved to Ultra Shroom, which affects this proposal because then both Ultra Mushroom and Max Mushroom would end up being merged with Ultra Shroom. -- 21:24, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * ...No they wouldn't. M&L Max Mushrooms aren't the same as SMRPG ones. Niiue (talk) 21:26, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Oh, Ok. I wasn't sure, because both proposals have something that is being merged with Ultra Shroom, so I wasn't sure if that move would apply to this one too. -- 21:28, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * "Literally the only thing the two types of Golden Mushrooms have in common is the name and color." So? The 1-Up Mushroom in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga shares only the color and name too, are you going to split that too? 20:43, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * That's a bad example. It's way more likely that two unrelated yellow mushrooms would be called "Golden Mushrooms" than for two unrelated items to be called "1-Up Mushrooms". Additionally, the M&L Golden Mushroom has a different Japanese name (ゴールデンキノコ instead of パワフルキノコ or スーパーキノコ). Niiue (talk) 20:57, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Are you sure about the "more likely" part? Also, Japanese name alone doesn't warrant a split article, I know that this was the case for other articles on the wiki, but I'm not going to dig up those cases. They need more differences than just the name and function to be split. I still don't believe this Golden Mushroom has enough differences from the standard golden Mushroom to be split, and I think the Golden Mushroom article is a good umbrella article for all Golden Mushrooms in the wiki. And the Golden Mushroom already comes with two Japanese names, so it's already indicator enough that even they can't keep a consistent name with this item. 21:32, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Hm, fair point. I'll remove the Golden Mushroom from the proposal, then. Niiue (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2017 (EDT)

@Yoshi the Space Station Manager: The SMRPG Max Mushroom has nothing to do with this proposal. Niiue (talk) 22:09, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Actually, it does, since Max Mushroom would refer to two things, SMRPG and M&L series, after the above proposal passes. 22:21, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * ...No, it wouldn't. The two proposals refer to different Max Mushrooms. Niiue (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Have you even looked at this 22:24, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I have. Niiue (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Then I am saying that Max Mushroom will have to have a link to Ultra Shroom, while having separate info (whether what is proposed or a link to M&L series on this page if it fails) about the M&L Max Mushroom. 22:39, 1 May 2017 (EDT)