MarioWiki:Proposals

List of talk page proposals

 * Split Densetsu no Stafy 3 from Video game references (Discuss) Passed
 * Split ghosts from game page (Discuss) Deadline: June 17, 2013, 23:59 GMT
 * Make a separate subpage for places (Discuss) Deadline: June 18, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Writing guidelines
None at the moment.

Template:Clear
I think there should be a clear template just like on other wikis. I know its been deleted three times already, but we need it. And can't do anything to the images.

Proposer: Deadline: June 13, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per Proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) If the template has been deleted three times already, the third of which was a few hours ago, then it seems clear to me that we don't need it - especially considering the template was deleted due to being redundant. Also, just because other wikis use it doesn't mean we automatically should.
 * 2) – Per Superchao.
 * 3) Per Superchao.
 * 4) - Per Superchao.
 * 5) - serves the exact same purpose. Per Superchao.
 * 6) Per Superchao and Gamefreak75. And If I'm correct, The Template  does the same thing as the
 * 7) Per Megadardery.
 * 8) Per all, especially GameFreak75.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) No purpose, like Gamefreak said, <br clear=all and  already do the same thing. Per all.

Organize Help pages with a Navigation template
Basically what the title says: It's hard to locate all the help pages and if a user who is figuring out the wiki is reading them, they should have a quick and easy reference to get to all (or most) of them.

Proposer: Deadline: June 13, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per Mariotime11.
 * 3) It's a good idea to include navigation templates dealing with all help pages and put it in each help page. Sure, we have a category dealing with all help pages, but the main help page should include all links to every help page in the first place, not just the ones in Category:Help. and the rest are in another category. The names "MarioWiki Policy", "MarioWiki Writing Guidelines" and "Manual of Style" sound similar, and I shouldn't have to guess which category the link falls in. Overall, it's not difficult in the first place for users to find these help pages, but inserting a navigation template in the main help page makes things a lot easier if you're trying to search for a "how-to", but can't find it on the main help page (like Categories). Bottom line: it's easier to see everything in one template than trying to find things in three different pages.
 * 4) Per proposal and LeftyGreenMario.
 * 5) When I was new, I was having a hard time navigating help pages and templates would help out a lot with that. This method would make it easier for everybody to navigate them. Per all.

Oppose

 * No, this just does not make sense. It's just another thing to keep up with. Also per Turboo's comments below.

Comments
Help:Contents is on the sidebar with a list of help pages and a link to the categories they're in, though. I doubt making a nav template would be detrimental, but I don't see how it's too difficult for users to find them. -
 * I think it would ease navigating the help pages if a navigation template is found at the bottom or side of a help page, as in WiKirby. It would be better than reading through the page, going back to Help:Contents, then clicking on the next page, and so on. The categories are easily overlooked, and it would be much easier if we can see everything in one page instead of having to click on these categories and guess where the page you're looking for is.
 * Gonzales Kart Inc.: What do you mean by "it's another thing to keep up with"? It's an annoying template? I don't see how navigation templates at the bottom of a page "need to be kept up with", and they are easily added to pages.

Remove all unsourced information from glitches and beta elements pages
This was first discussed here.

It is extremely easy to put a glitch or a beta element on it's corresponding page without providing any proof. Therefore, I am suggesting that we remove all unsorced information from these pages, though they can be brought back if someone gives actual proof about these (an image, a source from a reliable external site, or a YouTube video is enough), because these "glitches" or "beta elements" can just be a random user typing random things.

Proposer: Deadline: June 8, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Remove unsourced information

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal, but I also want to add that sourcing the glitch from an external, but reliable site will suffice as well.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) I've seen extremely absurd glitches (such as ), which could provide false information. Having to provide a reliable reference will ensure that the glitch is real. Per proposal.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all, we don't need stuff like "There was gonna be a portrait ghost who was removed in the final product because he would have had frightening dialogue" that isn't sourced
 * 7) Per all.

Keep unsourced information

 * 1) I agree that some glitches are ridiculous, however sometimes contributors add a real glitch but can't provide a source. If we got rid of all the unsourced glitches, we would lose these glitches.
 * 2) Yes, well some glitches are completly bogus, there is a very small amount of bogus glitches in pages. Also, I have tested unsourced glitches that work, making no sense to remove all unsourced glitches. If I can, I would help to get a reference for them.
 * 3) – I believe that removing unsourced glitches would mean that their would be less than half left over. Not all unsourced glitches are bogus: instead of removing potentially legitimate information, we should add a request for reference tag. I strongly disagree with this proposal.
 * 4) - Much better than outright than removing them.
 * 5) Per Tucayo's comments below
 * 6) Per All
 * 7) This seems like a very extreme way to go about this. Per all.
 * 8) - Per all.
 * 9) - Per all: removing them is shooting first and asking questions later. It's always best to avoid scrapping potentially good info, and until we find the desired proof, we can just use  to let readers know that stuff's unverified.
 * 10) &mdash; Actually, Tucayo does have a good point, so per him.
 * 11) Per all
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per Walkazo.
 * 14) When I think about this, this would remove a crapload of info here. Per all.
 * 15) Some glitches occur very rarely and the cause for them is unknown. One time, in Super Smash Bros. Melee, some CPU opponents grabbed a warp star, got hit, and was walking around with a warp star on his feet (if you check the beginning animation of grabbing the warp star, the character is standing on the warp star before ducking; it's probably a glitch involving that frame). This glitch, I don't know how that happened, and naturally, I had no video capturing device. This glitch never happened again, but it seems plausible to happen. The point it, some glitches are difficult to verify, and I don't see why anyone would make a mock glitch anyway. Maybe a "Get 100 lives" glitch that ends up crashing the game and damaging the disc? Even then, people can verify those bad ones or at least warn about it. Per all.
 * 16) Per Walkazo and LeftyGreenMario.
 * 17) What if all the glitches are gone? I won't know how to do them if they're not on this wiki.

Comments
@Baby Luigi; I added your suggestion to the proposal.

Actually, how about requiring a reference for every glitch?
 * Isn't removing unsourced material basically already covering that?
 * I can't imagine all those unconfirmed sources to be thrown away at all. Some of the glitches may have legitimate results if inputted correctly. I suggest creating a group that dedicated to: confirming the glitches by providing references found on the internet, or reproducing them on their on and making references of their own. Of course, it'll be tedious for everyone involved because it requires someone to play the game in it's original fashion, and that the former is probably more easier to do than the latter in terms of time commitment. 22:28, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
 * @RAP, some people may need help from a youtube video or image and couldn't understand the inputted text without it, or the image/video could be used as proof to the glitch. I don't think we need a group based on glitches.
 * This is just like confirming elements for an upcoming game: you can't prove it exists without a reliable source, and too many of these entries are questionable. It's like saying I work for Nintendo.
 * I forgot to insert that I would prefer implementing a group dedicating to this task if this proposal passes. So far the majority of the tally votes oppose this proposal.

I'm really torn about this. I do feel we have to remove unsourced content, but I feel it would be far better to add a template similar to the one the Fallout Wikia uses on unverified glitches/bugs. It's simple; when a bug hasn't got a source, they add the template, indicating a four week period in which a source for the bug should be mentioned. If the four weeks pass and no source was indicated, the template will indicate the verification is overdue. I feel that's a good compromise, as we wouldn't be outright deleting stuff that could be valid, but we wouldn't be keeping unsourced glitches. --


 * If this passes, I'm going to try my very best to overturn it. The proposed action really isn't the right way to go. -- 09:49, 3 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Or a template like the Wikipedia one? 16:48, 3 June 2013 (EDT)

I agree with YoshiKong, this proposal is outrageous, it makes no sense, no one here seems to me that adds fake glitch has never happened and never will happen to me, even if there was a low probability to happen it would not be a drama I think it's that easy to recognize a true glitch a glitch invented on the spot, and then there are numerous glitch without sources, but that can be easily found on youtube. --Sonic98 16:54, 3 June 2013 (EDT)


 * @Banon: We already have such a template: . -

Intro standards for subpages
This has been discussed here and here.

First of all, when I say "subpages", I mean pages that were previously subpages, and current subpages. This includes the glitches, media, quotes, staff, beta elements pages, as well as galleries.

So basically this proposal is "let's have a standard for subpages intros!". Why?

There are so many variations in how the intro is worded: a standard write-up would be great. — YoshiKong

I would also like to add a clarification:

''It's still a good idea to have a slug line up there, rather than leaving the top of the page blank.

''Consistency is good, but the intro could be changed up a little for different types of galleries - to provide a little variety.

''Like "This is a gallery of images pertaining to the game ." (which could, when applicable, be followed by "For a gallery of images pertaining to the remake,, see .") for games, and then substitude "show"/"movie"/whatever if it's part of another media. Then "This is a gallery of images featuring (the) X(s)." for specific subjects (characters/species/items/forms/gaming systems). Specialized subjects may also need specialized intros to work (i.e. "This is a gallery of the images from Rosalina's Storybook, featured in Super Mario Galaxy.").'' — Walkazo

Proposer: Deadline: June 8, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) This is my proposal.
 * 2) – Per Banon.
 * 3) &mdash; Per proposal.
 * 4) Per Banon.
 * 5) Per proposal
 * 6) Per Banon.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per all.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) - Per me, per proposal.
 * 13) I would like it if all we had was a simple link like this in the top of the gallery, much as in Featured Articles: <(name of the article). It would avoid redundancy and pointing out the obvious in the gallery descriptions. Of course, exceptions apply, including Rosalina's Storybook. If we can't do this, then the standard gallery descriptions will suffice.

Comments
Just to be clear, are you proposing we have something along the lines of Walkazo's example or something else entirely?
 * I think the Walkazo's example is great. —

So are we going to create templates for intros of each type of page, or do users have to write it themselves?
 * Unless we can get the templates to cover every potential difference in wording for a type of page, manual write-ups would probably be easier. -
 * We could have a template working like this: if we write it would display: This is a gallery of images pertaining to the game Super Mario 64. For a gallery of images pertaining to the remake, Super Mario 64 DS, see here. Is that possible? Also, I'd like to change one thing about Walkazo's examples: "remake" → "reissue" (wider meaning including remake, ports, re-releases...)


 * No, don't muddle things up with gratuitous templates. Just write it out. As for what term to use, rather than using a catch-all, just use whichever term is appropriate; usually, that'll be "remake", but if the other gallery is for a port, say "port", etc. Just like how you'd say "show" or "movie" or whatever instead of "game" when the situation calls for it for the appearance-based galleries. -


 * You're right, that would cause too much trouble. I thought that if we write it ourselves people wouldn't know about the standard but, nah.

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.