Talk:Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story/Archive 2

Two more Screenshots
Gamekult.com offers two more screenshots:. I would upload them, but I ask before because they have Gamekult's watermarks: Where is the screenshot uploaded by Paper Jorge from, since this one doesn't have a watermark? --Grandy02 10:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Go ahead and upload them, and then if Jorge has versions of those screenshots without a watermark, he can easily update the image file. On a side note: I see that there will be 2-D sidescroller moments.  Playing as Bowser and the Bros. may be connected as the babies and adults were in the previous title (the actions of one on one screen and the actions of the other on the other screen).  Finally, the map system seems to be updated, and the fat Toads look like they are normal Toads who have contracted an illness and are thus in the hospital.  All speculation at this point, so I won't put it in the article.  14:45, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Speculative nature is allowed, says the template. In this case (unlike e.g. guessing Brawl characters was), the speculation has a good basis by comparing the screenshots to Partners in Time. I would add that and state it's speculation. - 15:12, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Here's some watermarkless versions: CrossEyed7 15:29, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Trailer is here! Should answer some questions. - 16:42, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * From what I can see in the screenshots, it appears they are using a slightly different style of sprites in the game. Should this be noted in the article, or not until we have proof? 16:56, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Info
So far I researched the game and found info. In the Video on part showed Bowser eating a Magic shroom that gave him the ability to suck air. (kinda of Kirby.) Thus this cause him to go to Peach's castle Punch a counter and fight Mario. After there little fight Bowser suck up Peach, Mario, Luigi and Toadworth (I think). Another part shows Ship (Maybe U.F.O know if there are Shroob.) attacking Bowser's Castle. Also featured in the video showed a Green Toad (Look much like the one in Super Mario RPG Lengend of the Seven Star that watch over Peach.) affacted by some illness. There also so a part when the player is in Bowser's body. (And i not sure but I think they're can control Bowser and Mario and Luigi at that point. SO far the plot is unknow and as well as the villan and that illness that affected the Toads. Lastly I heard rumor that the game works only on the Nintendo DSi but it hasn't been reveal yet so this it could false and maybe the game can work on an old DS. Well so that all I got. (Sorry for the messy paragraphy.) Oh and Toadette was spotted in the game unless it was Toadiko or some thing like that. And Fawful is rumored too.
 * I watched the video, and it does appear that way. It would be a huge change in the RPG scene for Mario if somehow the main antagonist created a virus that affected the Mushroom Kingdom. (Perhaps a more serious RPG than usual?) Also, I don't think that the game will work only for the DSi. GameStop (and Cobold) told me that it's the same thing as the DS Lite, only without the GBA slot. 17:12, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Look at the top of the Touch Screen and you will see walls who look like Shroobs.

Sorry 'bout (I watch the video too.) Hmmm a main new (or old) antagonist started a illness. (Ooooppps I guess my info is waaayyyy off oh well.) I get wonder why Mario or Peach or even Luigi didn't get affected. (Maybe cause there humans.) Yeah about the Dsi it just like the DS lite but it contains added new features.

Some characters I saw in the video: This game works also on the normal DS. It looks like the game uses again a overworld unlike M&L2.
 * Toadbert
 * Toadsworth
 * Toadiko
 * Kemek (or a normal Magikoopa)
 * A yellow Bob-omb

Oooopsss I thought I saw Toadette. So they return. (But there rolles are unknow.) Do you know if Fawful is in the game?

I don't know if it realy is Toadiko, but I think it's more likely for her to appear in this game than Toadette. Toadiko appeart in M&L2 so she might return. I remember Fawfull said in M&L2 he will do something in the future. Some enemies look like him. It's likely he's in the game.
 * Also Bros. Items return, not Bros. attacks from M&L1
 * There is also a meter in the under-right of the touchscreen (in Battle). You can do somthing when it is full, but it's unknown what.


 * ) Thanks. Yeah I saw that too. It maybe used for a power boost or special attack. So far these Bros item have been sinc in the video. Green Shell and the Fire Flower. Bowser has his own but the only one shown is the one when he throw goomba up in the air then they fall and hit the enemies.:) Thanks.

Notice the additional command in the battle mode. There's Jumping, Hammer, Item, Bros. Item, Running away and a sixth command in the back, which looks similar to the meter on the bottom of the touchscreen. - 17:43, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Those action command block look like the one in M&L SS.
 * I thought they look totally different to what we've seen before. I might be wrong, it's been a long time since I played the game. But Mario & Luigi's sprites are definitely new. - 17:53, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

The sixth command in the back can be used if the meter in the under-right of the touchscreen is full. I think it's a (strong) move done by both Mario and Luigi.
 * Perhaps a quicker way to access the Bros. moves too? 18:07, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Or maybe it an Exp thing. (Uhh nevermind.) Or maybe a the return of the bros moves.
 * Mario has a Mushroom on that bar, and Luigi has either a Freezy or a Lakitu cloud...maybe elements return in this game? 19:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Now when using a fire flower, Mario and Luigi gain their Fire Flower Suits. (the white overalls and hat etc....) Now that was a NEEDED upgrade. MC Hammer  Bro.  19:55, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Ehhh how is a mushroom an elements?
 * Revision: Mario has a Mushroom Bros. Move. I'm definitely leaning towards a charged-up Bros. Move system now instead of the Bros. Points. 20:17, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Moved to the correct name. Here's the source:.

I watched this trailer on YouTube, (sorry, no link, just search Mario and Luigi RPG 3) and in one part I see what looks like Shroobs attacking a castle. --Nerdy Guy

Also, note that the icons of the Bros. Move meter fit prefectly into eachother.

I think this is Fawful. (He's short right?)
 * Fawful has a bigger head, and no beard or hair. This image is by far not clear enough to say it's him. - 09:47, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

who ever said it woz prince peasley must be 'tarded....

Hey that rude!! Please keep your rude comments to yourself. Ambidextria

Actually, I zoomed in really close, and although it was really blurry, it looked more like prince peasely. Fawful has sort of a hooded robe, while the person seems to have a cape. However, the thing he is riding looks like something fawful would ride. So, either Peasley got a new vehicle, or Fawful changed his hood. Maybe it is not either of them?.

That mushroom and moon icon power has been revealed!! See here. when those two icons combined, Luigi startes to eat a whole bunch of sweets and get fat. Then Mario throws Luigi.

UFOs
I see the trailer again in the best quality: the UFOs are green UFOs with yellow spots. I think Fawful is bakc, HAVING MORE FURYYYY that before. Koopalmier

Yup that is Fawful, but what is that star thing? Ninja Toad5

Koopalmier, are you pretending to be me? Anyway, I don't think it's just Fawful, maybe it's Fawful with the Shroobs helping him. --Nerdy Guy

Uhh the Shroobs lost basically all there power after Mario and Luigi delt with them (No more Princess Shroob or Elder Princess Shroob). Its more likely that Fawful has made a new army of his own deadly creatures. The UFOs are probably his creations (He is a genius with his inventions eg: Headgear and his mysterious Machine in his final battle). But it is possible that Fawful and the Shroobs have teamed up togeher to get their revenge. Don't rule any ideas out till the games release ;)

Hmm I thought all the Shroobs where killed by E Gadd's machine which had chemical that are like baby's tears and that there weakness.

There are a goomba and a koopa and a Hammerbro popping out of the UFO's Ninja Toad5

No, the Koopas are popping out of the castle, not of the UFOs. Koopalmier 18:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)

(I have the Japan release of the game) Fawful is the villain and almost all of his underlings are spin offs of usual enemies with 'Fawful' in them. There are fawful version goombas and koopas (some wear masks and stuff). And yes. He created UFO's... possibly based on the Shroob design - Raven

Japanese Text
Maybe it would reveal something if we knew the meaning of these text boxes/bubbles?

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8981/japanesevc2.png

The first one reads "Kinoko Town", the Japanese name of Toad Town. But what about the other texts? Could someone translate it? --Grandy02 08:26, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll just translate it here as a response to your comment on my talk page, if you don't mind. First of all, the text at the top left does say "Kinoko Town". The blue box reads "The Lucky Mushroom? has been earned!" which is probably implying that the mushroom isn't actually the lucky mushroom, seeing from its color. Bowser is screaming "NUGAHHHHH" which really doesn't mean anything. The huge taod on the right half is saying "Mr. Mario... Please help us." I hope that helped somewhat.
 * There's also some text on the bottom screen that says "キノピオひろば" at around 00:24 on the trailer. I think that means something along the lines of "Toad Plaza," but it's pretty blurry, so I don't know.  It might be "キノピオひろは" or "キノピオひろぱ," too.  Those last two don't mean anything that I know of.  11:14, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, the three of those say "Kinopio Hiruba", "Kinopio Hiruha (or maybe Hiruwa)", and "Kinopio Hirupa". Man, I wish I could translate more than a handful of Japanese words.

Here's rough translations of what those mean:


 * キノピオひろば = List of Mario series characters corner
 * キノピオひろは = List of Mario series characters to fathom
 * キノピオひろぱ = List of Mario series characters sect mindedness

It's odd...to me, those three character groups look exactly the same. =| 12:10, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

To Kodomo no Jikan:This might help you. It has a confusing interface, but once you get used to it, it helps a lot. Assuming you can actually figure out where the word boundaries are.

To Stooben Rooben: Your translations seem really bizarre to me. What is "List of Mario series characters" about? Also, the difference between the three is in the last character. The top and bottom ones have the diacritics "dakuten" and "handakuten" respectively, which alter the pronunciation and meaning.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/YYXJKQJ/kinopiohiroba.png This is the actual text. As you can see, it's quite blurry. I'm fairly sure that the second-to-last character is really "ろ" not "る," though. On the other hand, it could be "う" XD. I would like the Japanese language a lot more if fewer of its characters were so similar looking to others. 12:45, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, after looking at it, it looks more like the "ro" character than the "ru" character.

Alright, I asked a friend of mine from Japan what "ひろば" means, and she says it means field. So it's "Toad Fields," which really fits pretty well. 20:43, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Kinopio Fields? It might be an area out side of Toad Town then.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/YYXJKQJ/kinopiohiroba2.png

Minutely less blurry. I'm fairly sure it's "ひろば" at this point. Also, here's an image of the source: 22:50, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It says "KINOPIO HIROBA". Trust me. It means something like "Toad Plaza" or "Toad Place". I speak and write Japanese fluently, and yes, it would make no sense if it was Hiropa or Hirupa or Hiruba or ARRIVA! (jklol).

Shroob Wall
This little pictiure is from the Map of Toad Town. Those walls look like Shroobs.

The look like shadows to me.

If you look closely they're distinctly Star-shaped. Ztars, perhaps?

Hmm perhaps Ztar doors?

Possible, but a Ztar has white eyes and this wall dark red.

I have a crazy idea..... it probrably isnt right. Perhaps this area is really far into the game. Fawful may appear as the main villain in the beginning, but later on, their may be a bigger evil? ( think super paper mario) after theese gates dissapear, you can go on tho the final area. Just a thought. Luigifreak

I agree maybe there is an even bigger villain seeing as how partners in time ended with princess shroob then elder princess shroob then shrowser maybe this one is the same --Count b 19:44, 6 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Beta
You know, we might be looking at a beta vesion of the game, because the map might end up on the top screen and Luigi's sprites seem like they will be changed. So prepare to change the article dramaticly. --Nerdy Guy

I think the map is on the touch screen for a reason. Maybe you can now use your stylus to scroll around the map. And what's wrong with Luigi's sprites, they look good if you ask me. But we yet don't know how it will look like in the future, so we will keep the article in the way it is now until more information comes.

Chancellor?
The green Toad in the trailer looks A LOT like the Chancellor from SMRPG. Do you think it could be him?
 * I wouldn't be surprised. He's a recurring character in the RPG series.  14:29, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I knew I wasn't the only one whom notice that. Anyway doesn't the Chancellor has a robe with a golden line. He looks alot like him but younger. Unless that is him but we need more sources. (To find who that Green Toad really is :0)
 * I wasn't about to put that in the article. ;) 11:17, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I know. :D (But if some No0bie reads this and added it to the article then thats bad.)

Koopalings
Will the koopalings be in the game?


 * I dunno. Lets wait till we got more sources.

I doubt it for afew reasons. 1.They are probaly using Bowser Jr. now since baby Bowser and the Koopalings apeared in ast Mario an Luigi games. 2.They are rare characters anymore,so well chance is againt them.

Do you think...
Being that the Chancellor is appearing, do any of you think that there will be partners that help out Mario and Luigi? I'm putting my money on a rogue Dry Bones...
 * Do you mean partners like Kylie Koopa or like Koops? 16:32, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant ones like Kooper and the Yoshi Kid. I'm thinking that they will appear. ☆R.O.B 128♂ 16:35, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Those kind of partners haven't yet appeared in the Mario & Luigi series, so I don't think it's likely. 16:45, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Being that as it may, can you tell me how Kylie is a patner? She never helped me out *folds arms* ☆R.O.B 128♂ 16:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * She gives ya scoop on the Sandy looking area. (I forgot the name. Plus it hasn't been comfired that the Green Toad is the Chancellor 'cause it could be false or not.)
 * Toadsworth has replaced the Chancellor/Minister a long time ago. He's even called the chancellor himself. Just because this Toad has the same color scheme as the previous chancellor, that doesn't mean by far that they are the same person. There's a very slim chance this is the SMRPG chancellor. - 07:41, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks, Cobld, Princess and Arend. I appreciate it. :) ☆R.O.B 128♂ 16:39, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * This Toad isn't the Chancellor. The Chancellor has a white cap and green spots and this Toad a Green cap with wite spots.
 * Arend it rights!! (I didn't notice that.) Princess Grapes Butterfly

WAITWAIT..
The Nintendo DS and the Nintendo DSi have 2 different screen sizes, but the game can be seen being played on both handhelds... Could it be that the game was changed from the Nintendo DS to the Nintendo DSi similar to its prequel with the Game Boy Advance to the Nintendo DS? 11:49, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

The DSi is just the new version of the Ds Lite.
 * Nonooooo, well yes BUT, they have slight changes

12:10, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * 12% thinner than DS Lite
 * Screens are 3.25 inches, an increase of .25 from DS Lite
 * 0.3-megapizel camera inside the system with a maximum resolution of 640x480
 * 3-megapixel camera on the back of the system
 * Game Boy Advance slot has been removed
 * SD card slot added to transfer photos and music between DSi, Wii and PC
 * Music playback for AAC music files
 * Enhanced speakers and audio
 * DSi online store from which DSi applications can be bought using Nintendo Points
 * Free-to-download Opera internet browser available at launch
 * Power button relocated to below D-Pad
 * Stylus relocated to below SD card slot
 * New user interface similar to that of Wii
 * Integrated Photo Channel and music playback
 * Applications from the DSi store will be region-locked

I know :P. (It like a mini Wii.)
 * Yea, but the screen sizes is different and so are the number if pixels. 12:15, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

The launch trailer of the game showed the game being played on a DS lite. The montage of upcoming DS games showed it on a DSi, using the full screen size. The game is simply enhanced for a DSi, but compatible to the DS lite (so far). - 12:24, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it work on a regular DS. When the Ds lite came out it was still working with old DS games like Super Mario 64 DS. Princess Grapes Butterfly
 * I know that but, it might be that if the game is changed to be for the DSi, it might not be compatible with the DS, but that has not happened yet 12:41, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't think thats the case, isn't the DSi just a fancy DS lite (of sorts) meaning it would still play all the old (and new) DS games - Kamicciolo
 * Well the DSi can probably play all the old games of course. But the Nintendo DS lite might not be able to play some new DSi games, (some games might need the larger screen of the DSi, others might need the camera, etc.) 13:13, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't see the screen size making such a big difference, but the camera would be the decider (unless they released an addon for the DS lite) - Kamicciolo
 * I can see the screen size making a big difference 13:44, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * But wouldn't it be similar to widescreen, where TVs that don't have it just show what it can, and leave the side cut off? - Kamicciolo

So far we've seen the game being played on both a DS lite and a DSi, so there's little point in arguing here what other games might have. - 16:25, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Maybe Nintendo will release a version for the DS and one for the DSi. Like they did for sometimes for the GameBoy and Game Boy Color. --Nerdy Guy Nice Theorie, huh

There won't be an apart version for DS and DSi. There are no DS Lite-only games, even though it has a smaller screen. I don't get why everyone thinks there's going to be two versions, why would there be? The only DSi-only games are going to be DSiWare games. Also, the camera likely won't HAVE to be used in all new DS games, althrough it may be possible in some games. There's NO need to worry.
 * Yea, they won't just make you go buy another DS just for a game, or release another version. The DSi probably just has a better resolution from the .25 increase maybe.

this isn't the place to say, but guitar hero won't be playable on the DSi, as the 'controller' needs a gba slot (!!!) Lu-igi board 18:39, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

also, answer my question on da blooper talk page.....

I feel bad for those players. Anyway what does that have to do with Mario and Luigi RPG 3? Princess Grapes Butterfly

The name of the game
It was first Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (please note the 3 "!"). Then, in the trailer of the game, it's Mario & Luigi 3. I think the arrticles's name must be changed to a more recent name. Koopalmier 10:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I would prefer to wait until we get a more official name. We don't need to constantly move the article around the wiki as a new tentative name shows up. - 12:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! is the tentative (and most likely also official) title for Japan. Mario & Luigi RPG 3 and Mario & Luigi 3 are the tentative titles for the west, which will be changed. --Grandy02 08:02, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Mmmmmm... where is Birdo?
 * Nowhere yet. What does this have to do with the name of the game? - 11:54, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I believe Birdoshi just forgot to put her question under a new header. 08:05, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Oh ;_;  poor Birdo Yep! :D  thanks, Stooben! n_n

American release date
Where exactly is the American release date listed in the given source? I can't find it. - 06:23, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * I don't see it anywhere on the page or in the video either. 06:27, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * Me neither. Wikipedia also doesn't give a source for the release dates. Should we take the NA date off the News template? 06:28, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * Before we get additional confirmation, we should do that. No reason to stir false hopes. - 06:29, 15 November 2008 (EST)

This game should be release in the 2Q of 2009 for NA.

I would GUESS around March. (due to average time of american realease is 3 monthes after the japanese one.

Lets not forget that it takes time to ship games --Count b 19:51, 6 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Um You can check Newgrounds. http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=19&q=http://brumariobro.newgrounds.com/news/post/226032&ei=6K6YSaqpLpmatweowLG9Cw&usg=AFQjCNESIEpB1QAG4Cwa6ZAhWJNGQi9mCg

the date may be april 4th according about 3-5 websites -- Luigi456 05:20, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Metakoro
I have a question. Is Metakoro the offical name for the sickness? Or is it the Japanese name for the sickness.
 * It's the Japanese name, メタコロ病 Metakoro Yamai. Incidentally, "koro" can mean "roller," according to my dictionary. 16:11, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh I see.

well "Meta" means metal, but Metalroller disease doesent make much sense.--Luigi456


 * I believe that it's imported from the Greek, probably through English. One of the meanings of "meta" in Greek is self, so... It could also be from "metabolism," what with the health focus of the game. 20:40, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

More Screenshots
Does anybody know where we can can find more screenshots? I'm having trouble, because Google Image Search keeps finding anything with the words "Mario", "3", and "RPG". That means alot of screen shots of SMRPG, RPG hacks, and avitar pictures from fourom topic on the game. I even typed in "Mario & Luigi RPG 3 Screenshots", that didn't work. --

Nintendo only release three of four screen shots so far. Yup its three Ambidextria
 * Then how come the article says the following:

[...]In a recently released photo, Mario and Luigi can be seen escaping through Bowser's rectum[...]

Then again, the photo does sound fake, because rectrum means butt-hole, and I don't think Nintendo would show that. (A least not until the game was released.) Also, you said there was 3 screen shots, but we have at least 5. --

I didn't wrote that and that might be spam. We have other image because someone took it from the offical video. (I don't know how.) Ambidextria

I removed the spam. Ambidextria

Protection
Should we perhaps protect this page to avoid any vandalism, just like we did with Baby Daisy and Mario Super Sluggers? 20:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * How about we semi-protect it, Spammers only last about a few hours until we block'em --

What about the protect used in Mario's page. It lets registered users edit it. Thats semi protect it right? If it full protect like the Main page only the Sysop and 'Crat can only edit it. 12:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * Unregistered users are never able to edit pages. They get a notice that they have to log in to edit pages. - 09:29, 27 November 2008 (EST)
 * I know that. Semi-protect also means users less than 4 days old can't edit it.
 * I'll protect it.
 * Okay I protected it but semi so n00bs can't spam it.
 * Good call. 14:23, 29 November 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks!

Lucky Mushroom?
Here should be the wrong place to post this question, but why the Lucky Mushroom? page was deleted?


 * It wasn't deleted, someone redirected Lucky Mushroom to Lucky Mushroom?, but Lucky Mushroom? doesn't exsits

Blitzwing delete here his reason -> "We had a proposal about banning stuff seen in unreleased game traller, Remember?" 19:15, 29 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, I just saw it was redirect a couple weeks ago, so I thought that happened to it. Should we delete Bone Thwomp then?

I don't know. If that page gets delete then maybe the Metakoro disease will be delete as well?
 * Nah, Metakoro disease has been officaly named in japenesse. Bone Thwomp on the other hand, has not been named in any languge. Plus, Metakoro disease has info on it from japennese sites.

Well we can find out the name when its released.

But that Lucky Mushroom is also officially named, though, it shouldn't have been deleted. --Grandy02 04:41, 2 December 2008 (EST)

I'll restore it. But the image needs to be reupload.

If you haven't noticed, Bone Thwomp was deleted... =(


 * Because we don't know its official name. --Grandy02 11:23, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Ya, I 'now.


 * But, the Saucer isn't deleted, thought it's title is conjectural. There is a conjeture template on it. Never heard of that template? It's a template that gives the info that the name of the aticle is conjectural, or, unofficial. IF the name is known, we can remove that template and move the conjectural name to the official name. So I can hardly see that the Bone Thwomp article is deleted because of the conjectural name. Actually, it can be deleted because of lack of information, or fan-based (which is obviously NOT). So, It's stupid to think the Bone Thwomp article is deleted just because of the unofficial name. And, there are also other articles that was about earlier fragments of upcoming games.
 * Not just because we don't know the official name, but also because it's from an upcoming game, I should have mentioned that. We know the official name of the Metakoro Disease, but not of the Thwomp-like creature. There was proposal for this, see here. It was made because of all those new articles on enemies and planets with unofficial names that were created before Super Mario Galaxy was released. The same would happen for this game without that decision. --Grandy02 13:45, 14 December 2008 (EST)

New Pictures and Info
Here are scans of two pages from the Famitsu magazine with lots of new info:

first page | second page

It shows the game's Japanese logo (with a silhouette of Bowser's head!), Bowser's artwork, many screenshots and also a lot of textual information - in Japanese, of course. Could anyone translate? --Grandy02 08:00, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * NEED MOAR SPOILERS. So, the Japanese name is confirmed, we see the 3 playabels characters at the logo (like in the two precedent games), moar images and an artwork. I love spoilers, so this made my week-end. Thanks. We also see that the spin jump is back and that the action commands need the stylus (like in Sonic Chronicles: the Dark Bortherhood)Koopalmier 14:06, 12 December 2008 (EST)

マリオ＆ルイージ犬が一緒に仕事を！なぜ? = Means Mario & Luigi working with Bowser! Why? (That's what the writing say above the Japanese Mario & Luigi RPG 3 logo.)

Someone traducted this: the first "chapter" of the game will be inside Bowser, the Mario bros. will be playable only when Bowser drinks water (when they are inside his body, obviousely), the Bros. Attacks are back, the part in Bowser's body is only in 2D gameplay and they must resolve some things to find the exit (like Yoob in the precedent game, but Bowser's body contains more places). Koopalmier 06:18, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Apparently, the attack where Bowser throws the Goombas is Bokosuka Goomba, whatever that means. And that's... really all I got from it. ;>_> 00:17, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Well, I was going to translate this, but after doing the headings and a few random lines, I ran into the issue that the scan is too low resolution, and I couldn't read half the Kanji. Joy. Anyway, while searching for a higher resolution version I found a Chinese translation (Which is in a higher resolution, of course.) No idea whether it's simplified or traditional characters or what, but there it is if you speak Chinese. I don't suppose anyone here gets Famitsu and has a high resolution scanner? 17:31, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Sixth icon
It looks like that two things on the sixth icon are the moon and mushroom things on the bar at the bottom. It looks like it may be a super move that can only be used when the two halves meet on that bar. GaeMFreeK 21:06, 21 December 2008 (EST)
 * It might, but we won't know until the game comes out.

I saw on a recently released video that everytime the bros. do an attack the bars move closer together. --Count b 19:55, 6 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Confirmation
Is Mario & Luigi 3 the confirmed name for America? I honestly don't think so, due to the last game being named Mario & Luigi 2x2 only in Japan. 18:44, December, 25 (EST)
 * Thats why it says tentative title.

meat!!!!
I saw the living meat on a link earlier in the page. It looks like the meat from the spm bowser playable scenes! YourBuddyBill 20:08, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Every meat piece looks like the same in the cartoons or cartoonish video gamezs. Also, this is from Paper Mario 2, not Super Paper Mario. Koopalmier 01:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Shroobs
It is possible that the shroobs could return because of 3 reasons:

1. Elder princess shroob was not destroyed by baby tears, so she could still be barely alive (like dimento in SPM)

2. Some shroobs could still be living on the shroob planet. That is all.

3. Junior Shrooboid might have escaped while Prof. E. Gadd was still studying and produced more shroobs

Yeah, may be possible that some shroobs could still be living on the Shroob Planet, but with a new King/Queen. Elder Princess Shroob wasn't destroyed by baby tears, Mario & Luigi destroyed her soul after defeating Shrowser.

Yeah you are right Guy Tim and Luigifreak their could be a few shroobs living on shroob plant.

If some shroobs had survived and now remain in their planet, it's unlikely that they can make a reappearance as the main antagonists of this game again... The only possibility is that these characters have a reference in this game; for example, A character that talks about mushroom-like aliens once invaded the kingdom, but reminds hardly...

Hey my theory is that maybe the shroobs left on the shroob planet are under fawful's lead and are now green and white or something. the ufo mentioned above could have a new shroob in it, and the shroobs would all wear swirly glasses. YourBuddyBill 17:59, 7 January 2009 (EST)

European release
Is there a European release date yet? Fawful is a waffle! 14:09, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 * According to the UK based Official Nintendo Magazine, it is "Summer 2009". --Grandy02 14:23, 7 January 2009 (EST)


 * Thanks. Mario & Luigi RPG 3 is a pirate goomba 18:05, 7 January 2009 (EST)

It's Fawful
IGN had an article where they stated Famitsu's latest news on the game. They explained some of the battle system controls which I didn't read yet. However, this caught my eye: "This third RPG adventure for gaming's most famous mushroom-eating plumbers kicks off with the residents of the Mushroom Kingdom gathering to discuss what to do about a disease that's spreading throughout the kingdom. Koopa, under the control of an even more villainous villain called Gerakowitz, shows up and sucks everyone into his belly." I checked Fawful's article and in the Foreign Names section, he was listed as ゲラコビッツ Gerakobittsu. Considering that Japanese doesn't have a "v" sound and uses b instead, this can be written as "Gerakovitz". IGN maybe just misspelled the w, for me that's a confirmation. - 09:10, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Definitely confirms it. And if the name doesn't, this artwork with Fawful does. There are many more new pictures here (I know that Cobold already knows). --Grandy02 14:13, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * I only saw the trailer, but not those images. - 16:31, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * That artwork shows 2 new charcters that look like blocks and a Goomba wearing PJ's and other new charcters. Is there any info on them?

Beta proof
Yes, normaly beta stuff is found after the game is relased, but I found something:




 * Interesting. It could be beta elements. It could also simply be the regular fighting mode. After all, there are two different fighting modes for Bowser according to the IGN article. - 11:09, 15 January 2009 (EST)

They're obviously not PLAYING the game when they make things like that, they must have not put the stylus and stuff so that it's easier to see. >_> &#123;&#123;User:Uniju :D/sig}} 22:02, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * But you wouldn't hold the DS in the style of a book for this screenshot. The IGN article says that you use it sideways in the Bowser-only battles. - 08:00, 16 January 2009 (EST)

I have 3 theories 'bout it:
 * 1. Yeah, it could be beta elements.
 * 2. It could be only a screenshot, to make things easier to see.
 * 3. The player should be able to choice to battle either by the normal way or by the "book way".

It's not a single screenshot, it was in the original reveal trailer of the game. - 12:20, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, yeah. Correction: It could be only a trailer...

Uh, bowser has two battle systems, one like mario and luigi's, and then the one where you hold the ds like a book. That's not a beta screenshot.

Jonah's spot on. For most battles you fight using the X button. Punch, sucking people up so mario and luigi can fight in gut and stuff. The holding the book on the side thing is for particular battles against larger things (like bowsers castle, for example. These battles consist of using the mic and touchscreen - Raven

Japan Type Language
http://www.gamekult.com/images/ME0001054621/

"Ngaaaahhhhh"

http://www.gamekult.com/images/ME0001054618/

"odorokibōn"

http://www.gamekult.com/images/ME0001054615/

"Abruptly One day, (the toads') bodies swelled

up to become round and (able to) roll.”

Ｃａｎ’ｔ　ｒｅａｄ　ｔｈｅ　ｒｅｓｔ．

http://www.gamekult.com/images/ME0001054612/

"With a little more force, I

have a hunch that it'll come out."

http://www.gamekult.com/images/ME0001053766/

"Huh? Where's Princess Peach?

Why isn't she with (you)?"

Hooray? 00:38, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Bowser Jr.
Is Bower jr in this game.

new character speculations
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/c3/Artwork_of_most_characters.jpg I think that the paratroopa, shyguy, and goomba in this picture are children with a medevil obsessian.

The Big Pig is Fawful's Underling who he uses to fight Bowser on 3 occasions The Paratroopa, Shyguy and Goomba help Bowser on 2 occasions within the game but finally end up locking him in a safe deep within Bowser Castle. (I have recently completed the game so I know this) They are also seen at the end of the game when Bowser is in his bed with a sling on.

Ermm I can't read Japanese, so I don't know that names.... But the dude that's a Cube with the stache.. Bowser first meets him on a little island. After pulling the island towards Bowser using a rope, he gives him the Vacuum ability and does battle with him. Dunno what his name is and if you meet him again cause I'm not that far in to the game... - Raven

They're Kurikkii, Heifaa, and Patabon. They're underlings of Bowser who desert him later (Fawful's offering a reward.) At the end of the game they ask to rejoin the Koopa Troop, and Bowser says they can if they help with repairs. 09:09, 2 March 2009 (EST)

To clarify, I meant the Koopa, Goomba, and Shy Guy. Brirock is the cube guy, but he has his own article. 09:14, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Do you spend the entiregame in Bowser's Stomach when using the Mario bros.
Please answer this question.

No, because there are official screen shots shown that the bros are battling monsters outside.

Later on in the game Mario and Luigi can exit Bowser whenever they want via a series of pipes found near bowsers neck. That link them to Bowser's Castle, Peach's Castle, The Woods, Toad Town and the Sewers. So it should be noted that the games aim isnt to Get out of Bowser it is infact to save Peach from Fawful's hands and stop Fawful taking over the Mushroom Kingdom as usual

North America Release date & title?
Any information on the North America release date? also what do you think the title would be?

We don't know the American release date or the title, sorry. Koopalmier 13:46, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Official Site!!!
Follow this link:

woot Things to notice: -The Attack Parts gauge goes up in Mario's side when Mario win an attack. Same for Luigi. -Mario and Luigi are alaways in 2D in Bowser's body. -The battle music is the same as the trailer's music. -The music played during the scene where Bowser vacuum Mario, Luigi & the others is a remix of Bowser's battle theme in Mario & Luigi 2. Koopalmier 12:39, 28 January 2009 (EST)

is this on there? I couldn't find it. 07:15, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Wait... You say that the entirely game Mario and Luigi are inside Bowser's belly??


 * No. We already seen videos where Mario and Luigi had the Attack parts gauge and where fighing ennemeis outside Bowser. Koopalmier 11:38, 30 January 2009 (EST)

The two sections of the website that aren't finished: 「クッパ様の“イッツ、ショウタイム！”」 Koopa-sama's 'It's showtime!' and 「冒険の豆知識」 Adventure Trivia. 19:55, 30 January 2009 (EST)

someone could translate some of the website, It would really give us more information about the game. Anyone willing to translate a bit of the site?

The first enemy name?
I saw in a trailer from the oficial site a scene where Mario and Luigi are in battle with that ant-like monster with a drill, and I captured the part where we can probably see the enemy name, here:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x150/timothyfsantos/enemyname.png

Can someone translate it?

Geranko. Comes from Gerakobitz, which is Fawful's Japanese name. 11:27, 30 January 2009 (EST)

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/YYXJKQJ/Getagetaa.png

Getagetaa. 23:32, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Getagetaa looks awfully like an alligator and his name may be reference to an alligator yet the enemy list says it is a fawfulized t-rex...does anyone mind if I edit the list?

--Count b 19:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)Count b

It must be "Faw" and some other suffix --Luigi456

Geranko
I found the name by seeing it in a video on the japanese site, copying text characters from Japanese wikipedia, and pasting them onto a translator run by google.


 * Be careful with this. Google Translate makes mistakes. 06:00, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Metabos
According to the new Nintendo Power issue, the pig is called Metabos. I don't have a scan or anything, but I think the name is on the website now. Bob Greenlake 21:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

What website?

The Japanese one. The name is there, but it needs to be translated. Bob Greenlake 23:55, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Actually, it's Metabosu. With a silent u, but still. 02:43, 7 February 2009 (EST)

Solo pictures
Where were the solo pictures taken from?

Q2 2009
Is the date on the page (Q2 2009) official or just an estimate? --Count b 13:41, 8 February 2009 (EST)Count b
 * I think somebody said "possibly April 1", so they changed it to Q2. Still we would need a source for any dates we state. - 08:14, 9 February 2009 (EST)

The Beginning
My friend (Japanese) translated to me the beginning of M&L RPG3 till the bit where Peach holds a meeting. Can I add it to the article or should I type it in here first? - Masatog 18:23 10 February 2009 (EST)

you should put it on the article because the information is from the official site.

Well...it's not from the official website but from the game itself (playing it in my R4). Plz correct any error from the article - Masatog 18:09 11 February 2009 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-LlVOvUg8s&feature=related There's the begging I think.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MARIOANDLUIGIRPG3VID　:o 21:46, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Attack parts and Bowser's body
I have seen what i believe is a new Attack Parts attack. It involves a set of barrels with red/green arrows on them and a bro in each one.

Also, a person who has played the game has confirmed that the bros will be able to exit the body of Bowser through his 'ear'. They can then reenter Bowser's body at will.

PowerplumberXXL64 Out.

No, they escape by a Warp ipe. Koopalmier 08:13, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Yes, but that pipe's by his ear.

PowerplumberXXL64 Out.

P.S. That barrel attack is a new Bros Item.

PowerplumberXXL64 Out.

Until Later
Until it is known the names of the un labeled characters in solo pictures I put the names of there species if anyone has a problem with this please contact me.

--Count b 19:13, 11 February 2009 (EST)Count b

More info
WARNING CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpITiVQ7ygY They don't stay in Bowser Tummy for the whole game, they exit it eventually.

'''WARNING! THE FOLLOWING COMMENT CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS!!!'''

But when they fight Dark Fawful they are in Bowser's Tummy.

Who's dark fawful...I mean I know it's obviously fawful but why is he called dark fawful? --Count b 19:10, 13 February 2009 (EST)Count b
 * It's another form of him. In the final fight Bowser is fighting Shadow Bowser and then Bowser eats this dark crystal and then it turns into Dark Fawful and then Mario and Luigi fight Dark Fawful.

BREAKING NEWS!
It has been confirmed by wikipedia that Mario & Luigi RPG 3 will be released in the U.S. April 1st! --Count b 16:39, 13 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Any links??


 * Wikipedia cites this as a source. However, that's not actually on that page at all, as far as I can tell.  So it's probably a false alarm.  17:31, 13 February 2009 (EST)

I promise you I saw it in the info box unless someone changed it since then. --Count b 18:03, 13 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Nope no one changed it, it is still there in the info box of the game with the title. --Count b 18:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)Count b

1st April? That's APRIL FOOLS DAY!!!!! They can be joking.

Go to my my talk page when you know the European release date. (If it's too late I'm going to import it from America)

Queen of Koopas 04:49, 14 February 2009 (EST)

They could be joking perhaps but that was the speculative date set by nintendo in the beginning anyway im changing it wikipedia is back at neutral. --Count b 13:08, 14 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Well it says in PAL regions (which contains europe) they will get it summer 2009 and the U.S. always gets games before PAL so it should be here in spring sometime as to what month or day I am not certain but it very well may be April 1st. --Count b 14:39, 14 February 2009 (EST)Count b

REALLY BREAKING NEWS!!!
This is PPXXL64 with breaking, no, SMASHING news! A YouTube user called MARIOANDLUIGIRPG3VID has put on a HUGE load of M&LRPG3 vids, including a tutorial fight with Metaboss, the first few mins in Bowser, the first battle with Bowser, another Bowser fight in a hospital AND a freaking AWESOME fight in Bowser's 'brain' which I simply cannot describe. Watch it at: [].

In these videos are a TON of new Bros. Items, like:

Barrel Cannon item Giant Ball item Spring Helmet item Flipping Pipe item (BTW these items can all be seen with the link above.)

PowerplumberXXL64 out.

Oh that's nice somebody from this great Mario encyclopedia saw my videos :P Going to add this and that there and here because you quite lack content... - MARIOANDLUIGIRPG3VID (Skawo93)

New Art revealed
Hey guys. In the newest issue of Nintendo Power, on page four, there's art for the "Fat Luigi" Can someone scan it from the issue (if they have it of course!) and upload it to the internet fir the art section? I took a low quality picture with my phone:

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m399/YOSHIANDLINK1/FatLuigiSmall.jpg But having a higher quality one would be nice

--YOSHIANDLINK1 10:10, 14 February 2009 (EST)

... Did you seen the website, at least ? The arwtork is already there, ready to be ripped and in better quality. Koopalmier 13:52, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Release Date
Ok I have just read over the whole April 1st thing and find it highly unlikely that Nintendo set the date at April 1st and also I would not consult NewGrounds I would wait for Nintendo to say so officialy...and also this April 1st thing has to be a joke because April first not only is April Fools Day but it is also a Sunday and most businesses do not run on Sundays. --Count b 21:15, 15 February 2009 (EST)Count b

That's impossible, April 1st is clearly Wednesday, I checked in my calendar that my mom gave me from Dunkin' Donuts, and I have piano lessons every Wed., and yes, I also labeled it on there.

I heard it was coming out on April 4. But that is weird, if it comes out in April first, because it's on a Wednesday. And Mario & Luigi RPG 3 was released on a Wednesday in Japan.

Yes you are correct sorry my mistake I will fix it back to April 1st but nothing is decided until Nintendo gives the final date. --Count b 17:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Keep as "TBA",because Nintendo didn't give out an official date.We can't just guess the date.

Enemy Clarafication
There is a Goomba listed on the enemy list that is pink with something yellow inside of it. I've seen a video with the said Goomba, and actually, it's transparent. It's color keeps changing depending on the background, but it is most certainly clear.MDupont 23:06, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Seriously!
Ok i'm not trying to be rude but i'm tired of the constant changing of the American realese date (I'm at fault in that case aswell) but unless it is from Nintendo directly i'm changing back to TBA. --Count b 19:05, 21 February 2009 (EST)Count b

Metaboss more than a pig?
From what I see, Metaboss has a armadillo like back and can also curl up into a ball. So I think he is also part armadillo. Also his horns on his head are bull like. Metaboss is more than just a pig I think, but that is just my guess. --Luigi-Tron 3000 06:28, 23 February 2009 (EST)Luigi-Tron 3000

Toadbert...
The character we've been calling Toadbert... he introduces himself like this: 「ボク　キノックルです！」 So his name's "Kinokkuru"... Is this Toadbert's Japanese name? If so, this pretty much confirms that that's who he is (Although I might be the only person who doubted that to start...) Incidentally, Wikipedia says that the names of the goomba, shy guy, and paratroopa, are Kurikkī, Heifā, and Patabon. 00:51, 24 February 2009 (EST)
 * Toadbert is infact in the game, he appears in the beginning, along with other Toads, and an unidentified female Toad. I can get a screenshot of him if you wan't. But yea, I'm pretty positive that's his japanese name if he introduces himself like that.
 * Oh, I know all that, I just meant I wasn't sure if it was really him. I'm fairly sure the female toad you're talking about is Doctor Kokino, a physician who's working to cure the Metakoro Disease... Which is spread through poisoned food.  01:44, 24 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ok. And well I don't know, I can't understand Japanese :P.

Sprites, Already?!
The people at the Spriters-Resource have somehow ripped alot of sprites out of the game already. This is very important and full of spoilers, since it shows many of the enemies. From looking at this, I can tell that many of the enimies are "Fawful-lized" versions of already existing Mario Series enimies.

Here's the link.


 * It's cause they got the rom. We can use alot of these, withp crediting them of course, but are all the names official?


 * Curiously, some emulators are capable of traslating a game from a determinate language into another. A good example can be No$GBA or iDeaS. I play USA games roms, but the emulator changes the language of the whole game to spanish...
 * Until an English language version of the title is released, the Japanese names are still the official names we'll be using. For example, The Great Mission to Save Princess Peach was never translated from Japanese officially, so the names we use for the subjects of the film are the Japanese names.  Additionally, NoA and NoE have often neglected to directly translate names and make attempts to add puns and such, particularly in the Mario and Luigi series.  For that reason, the names they have there may be different from the names that end up being used in our NTSC and PAL region games.  23:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Almost none of those are official, leave em out

The Sixth Option
Can someone translate it please? It would really help out alot. This is the mysterious sixth option from the battle menu, but I dunno what it does. All i know is that you can turn the wheel with L & R, but diffrent things pop up each time.


 * The name of the option is "badge replace," and it basically allows you to change Bros. Badges in the middle of a battle. However, it empties the meter in the process...  The image you took is just a description of the current badge combo.  Basically, it says you need to get an "excellent" rating on a move to charge the meter, and that once the meter is fully charged, you can recover 50% of each brother's total SP.  The red side of the badge controls the effects, while the green side controls their degree, as well as how good you have to be to charge the meter.  00:56, 26 February 2009 (EST)


 * Hey, could you get a picture of the green badge just above the one that's currently equipped in the picture? 01:18, 26 February 2009 (EST)
 * No problem at all. Ill get it ASAP.
 * Here: [[Image:MandL3BattleOption6Badge2.png|thumb|left]]


 * Hmm. That says "(Your attacks) Continue to be judged 'excellent.' Effect: All SP is recovered." (I think, it's a hard translation for me.) So maybe getting a score lower than excellent drains the meter? I dunno.  02:09, 26 February 2009 (EST)


 * Hey, where do you get that badge, do you remember? 02:25, 26 February 2009 (EST)


 * This badge will indeed drain the meter if you get lower than EXCELLENT (It only drains the side of Bro that made that action command, however). Luigi gets it when he passes level 40, becaming Rainbow-ranked (which by the way is a secret rank). What this badge does? Well, it will (depending on which badge Mario has): Restore all HP (with the Mushroom badge on Mario), Restore all SP (Shell badge on Mario), Raise the POW 4x (POW badge on Mario), Raise the EXP you get from this battle 2x and coins 1.5x (Coin Badge on Mario) -MARIOANDLUIGIRPG3VID (Skawo93)


 * 2257: Nope. I took a week to try and kinda "hack" the game, and then some other stuff. Skawo93: Hm, interesting. This is valuable information, in furture articles, we can use this. Thanks.

The North American Title
I am very confused. Wikipedia stated that the name of Mario and Luigi RPG 3 is, Mario & Luigi & Bowser. Other sites say its Mario & Luigi: Fawful's Revenge. Is one of them the official name of the game?

Please sign your name. And um its best to wait untill the game is released. So far the titled you stated maybe be fanon made up by people.
 * Those names came from a comment on Youtube. Someone was guessing what the North American title will be. It's the same deal with that one beach in the game being called "Cavity Coast", it's fake.

A List of All Enemies!
On a capture site containing guides for games, I peaked into their Mario & Luigi RPG 3 section to see what I could find and bring to this Wiki. Look at this, a whole list of every enemy, it appears!

http://dra-de.com/game/mario_luigi_rpg3/mario_luigi3_teki1.html

The illustrations to the side are fan art, by the way, to make things more clear. But I think this will be helpful. Leirin 20:51, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

It would be if someone could translate it.

Yeah, YourBuddyBill, we need official English names for these enemies, it's getting annoying to me!

Official NA Name
we also need the REAL official English title for the game. we neeed theem! AARRRGGGHHHH! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!! YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! (Just kidding)

It's possible that April 1st is not the real release date, weeks before the Japanese version of the game, they already came up with the name and box art. tomorrow is April 1st, and still no title or boxart!! except those "fake" titles, but it is possible that either one (or both) of them is/are the official title(s). But still.

European release date
This game will be realesed in Europe somewhere in Agust/September/October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aghhhhhhhhhhhh!!! I can't wait!!!!!!


 * Nah. It will come in Europe in June/July/August. In another words, in Summer. The French Nintendo official magazine said it. Where did ou get that info ?

Koopalmier 10:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

See?
I told you the date was not real!!! well, some of you said that earlier, but those who agree were also right!! See? that means they were either:

1. lying

2. you looked it up on the 'sites that lied

3. they failed to achieve the release date

4. the release date was not truly achieved

5. Nintendo hasn't scheduled the release date in North America yet

See? The game is not in AMERICA, NO GAME!!!!!!! I knew it! WE KNEW IT!!! (no offense)
 * Have you ever heard the expression "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"? There was no constructive point to that posting; being glad you were right is one thing, but this is crossing the line of good-taste. - 18:59, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm sorry, OK? Have you seen my userbox tower, one of my userboxes state that I have a terrible temper. and no, a have never heard of that saying. Anyways, I'm sorry.