Talk:Piranha Plant

What Do You Think?
First off wow this page dosent have a talk page yet... wow. But anyways do you guys think this article deserves to be nominated as a featured article?
 * Nominate it if you want to, it's your choice.

Why does it say that Petey Piranha is the only pirnha plant with teeth? The teeth is what makes a piranha plant a pirnha plant.

Super Mario Land
Hi. In this article and in Super Mario Land related articles is said that the plants featured in that game are not Piranha Plant, but Pakkun Flowers. Anyway Pakkun Flower is the japanese name for Piranha Plants (the english word flower is written furawa in japanese), so they're not different characters, but their name just remained untranslated, like all the other enemies in that game. So, what I'm gonna do is to change every reference to Pakkun Flower into Piranha Plant, leaving only in this page the note that the name wasn't translated in the manual.--Kombatgod 12:10, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

I agree. It's so confusing! the template calls them pakkun flowers, but when i click, im redirected to the piranha plant article.

Just make sure to use the name "Pakkun Flower" when referring to the Piranha Plants from Super Mario Land, per a proposal to refer to characters, species, etc. by the name they are referred to in different games. For example, since Peach is called Toadstool in Super Mario RPG, she is referred to as Toadstool in sections about Super Mario RPG. --

Ok, then. But we still can't consider them as different characters, to avoid confusion.--Kombatgod 12:49, 26 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Yeah, that's why the content is on this page. Both names are official so both are used in the appropriate sections and articles. --  P.S. But I would like to venture the possibility that Nintendo named these enemies Pakkun Flowers on purpose to distinguish them from Piranha Plants.


 * I was thinking that too, something like that in the english Mario universe piranha plants are named differently in the Mushroom Kingdom than in Saaraasa(?I never read that name carefully) Land. Anyway I think they just kept the japanese name for all enemies...--Kombatgod 13:06, 26 March 2009 (EDT) P.S. hey thank you very much for the fast response and editing action! Other wikis takes very long to do something like this!

Pakkun or Packun?
Super Mario Land called them "Pakkun Flowers" instead (and it's closer to the romaji), but most Japanese materials prefer to call them "Packun Flowers" in English (for example, http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gm4j/02.html). So which one should we stick with? I say we keep the Super Mario Land section the way it is, but otherwise replace all instances of "Pakkun" with "Packun" when referring to the Japanese games. LinkTheLefty 12:57, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Create a new page, Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)
SPLIT 5-1

There has been a translation inconsistency in English concerning the Piranha Plant variants in Paper Mario: TTYD. The enemy that was named Pale Piranha in the English version, was just known as "Pakkun Flower", i.e. Piranha Plant, in the original Japanese version, and subsequently in all translated versions except English.

On the other hand, the enemy simply known as "Piranha Plant" that later appears in the Pit of 100 Trials was known as "Killer Pakkun" in the Japanese version, and subsequently according names in all translated versions except English.

It is apparent to me that there has been a mix-up in the English version and that "Pale Piranha" is a mistaken name for what should just be called Piranha Plant. I proposed that on Pale Piranha's page. On the other hand, I propose here that the "Killer Pakun" is split from the Piranha Plant article to a new page "Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)".

Proposer: Deadline: April 3 2010, 23:59

Split

 * 1) - For the same reasons that Yo'ster Isle will be merged with Yoshi's Island.
 * 2) Per all.
 * 3) - For great justice consistency.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.

No Split

 * 1) What makes the Killer Pakun different from a normal Pirhana Plant?

Split Pale Pirahna and merge the Paper Mario TTYD Piranha Plant
DON'T SPLIT 2-6

I don't care if this subject has been discussed (cause I know it has) but this is just not right. Pale Piranhas are clearly stated to be sub species of Piranha Plants. We don't have Putrid Piranhas or Frost Piranhas merged. So what if the Japanese name is the same as Piranha, there appearance is different. Plus actual Piranha Plants appear in the game. They should be merged with this Piranha Plant.

Proposer: Deadline: September 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal. I don't know how the other proposal passed.
 * 2) I think it's been decided Normal Piranha Plants don't appear. Both should get separate pages. But this is one step towards that.

Oppose

 * 1) Per the arguments in the frist two proposals
 * 2) Per Walkazo's comment.
 * 3) - Like I said last time, both articles should be separate from this page, because both plants are obviously not normal Piranha Plants, and we have the official means to act on our observations thanks to the English and Japanese names. But since that's not happening this time either, once again, the easiest thing to do is to stop this TPP so we don't waste our time merging an article that shouldn't be merged, and to revisit the issue next month - but next time, just split Pale Piranha and leave the already split one alone.
 * 4) Per Walkazo.
 * 5) I oppose 1/2 of this proposal. The same half as Walkazo. BTW, Tails. You spelled Piranha two different ways.
 * 6) Per Walkazo.

Comments
I stand by what I said on the last TPP: we should give BOTH Piranha Plants separate pages: "The Pale Piranha is clearly said to be a 'subspecies' of Piranha Plant, and it has a different name to boot. However, the TTYD Piranha Plant is also a unique 'type' of Piranha Plant, and also has a different name in many languages. Therefore, the best thing to do would be to give BOTH enemies separate pages, and just talk about how TTYD has four kinds of Piranha Plants on the main Piranha Plant page. This will be consistent with how we've dealt with various other differently designed enemies that have the same names in some languages, but different names in others: we go with the language(s) that make the most sense (the 'Japan is always right' idea used in the old proposal is outdated; Japan is still right about the 'Killer Pakkun', but I think English is right about the 'Pale Piranha')." Giving them both pages will also mean we won't have any more TPPs about splitting whichever one isn't currently split... - 22:37, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Yes, I guess keeping both regular Piranha Plants seperate is O.K., But Pale Piranha should be split. User:Tails777
 * Yes, it should, but the other one shouldn't be merged, and this TPP will force that to happen if it passes, or it will force us to not split Pale Piranha for at least a month if it fails. And either way, we'll need another TPP, and the problem won't be fixed for ages... It'd be better to just cancel this one while we still can and make one just about splitting, if we really want to break the cycle. - 19:02, 8 September 2011 (EDT)


 * So how do I change the proposal to just split Pale Piranha?
 * You can't now its been more than 3 days this proposal can not be edited
 * Well O.K. then. Both Piranha Plants should be in the same article anyway. The name in a different language doesn't make it a different enemy.
 * Yes it does look at Boomerang Bros. from Superstar saga same name in English and Japanese still a different enemy because the Italian name and the French name is different
 * Yes, this is exactly like the Boomerang Bro. thing (and a handful of other split/merge TPPs). One plant looks different and the other is found in a specific location and has unusually high stats, so based on that, we can say neither are normal Piranha Plants, and the fact that both have unique names in one language or another confirms it and gives us the official justification to separate both of them. Putting them in the same article is the opposite of what we want to do, because none of the languages (and none of the plants' features) say they're the same thing as each other. The TTYD section of this page should merely be an overview of all the Piranha Plants that appear (not just these two), with links to their pages, which is where the real info would go. - 23:16, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Split Pale Piranha from Piranha Plant
SPLIT 14-0

As per Walkazo's comment above, which is taken from this, the Pale Piranha behaves differently from normal Piranha Plants, and we have a different English name for each to justify splitting them, so a split is in order.

Proposer: Deadline: November 23, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Let's do this right. Per proposal.
 * 3) I never liked how they were treated the same. Per proposal.
 * 4) I always wanted them to be split. I was first shocked when I saw that they were merged. Split! Split! Split!
 * 5) - Per Proposal, and per my comments/votes on the older proposals: it's about time these TTYD plants both got separate pages and I'm only sorry I didn't get around to making this TPP myself (curse you, numerous preoccupations).
 * 6) It is a different color to a Pale Piranha. Per All.
 * 7) They're different species so I completely agree.
 * 8) Per BoygeMario.
 * 9) Commence "per"ing. T minus 3-2-1 PER PROPOSAL!
 * 10) — Per all.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) - Considering that Behemoth and Behemoth King are split from each other, it's only right if the same is done to Pale Piranha.
 * 13) - Per all.
 * 14) These two types of Piranha Plants are completely different, they mustn't be merged.