Talk:Goop

Since when is that called Cheese ?

I don't even think it's mentioned in the game, but if so I wasn't called cheese. - Yoshi Master

the tub goop is jelly

Poisonus Water
Is it related to graffiti in ANY way?
 * Water filled with Graffiti. --Reversinator 18:37, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Goo
With the creation of Goo in Luigi's Mansion 3DS, and it likely having a role in LM 3 (Poltergust G-00), the redirect from Goo to here should be changed soon. Maybe not now, but as soon as there's a decent amount of information on it.

Goop
The title of this article should really be Goop. When I "overhauled" the article, I found that the basic form of the substance is referred to as goop, which is applicable to most forms of it, and graffiti specifically refers to goop in shapes. This is also indicated in the Japanese name for electric goop, which calls it 「ドロドロ」 (dorodoro, goop) in The Manta Storm but 「ラクガキ」 (rakugaki, graffiti) in Scrubbing Sirena Beach, where it is in the shape of a Boo. To sum it up, graffiti is goop, but not all goop is graffiti. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:05, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * I don't know. Perhaps split? -- 10:33, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * I think the article does a decent job of covering multiple types of goop since splitting would cause unnecessary confusion; mainly, the current title is a remnant of the older version of the article where a lot of goop was misnamed graffiti. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:08, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * One of the very first lines in the game is "What is this icky paint-like goop?" Looking over the page, I'll agree with the change. 12:20, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * While I agree, the written dialogue for the first mission alone gives a lot of hilarious generic names, like "ooze" and even "yucky." There really doesn't seem to be a "proper" term, though both the not-so-ace attorney and FLUDD call it "graffiti." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:35, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * Are every types separate in the Encyclopedia? -- 15:32, November 5, 2019 (EST)
 * @Doc: The translation is a bit inconsistent, but "goop" appears in the script the most out of any term (even much more than graffiti), corresponding most with dorodoro. It also shows up in the manual at one point.
 * @FanOfYoshi: Everything listed here is in the Encyclopedia as cited (goop and graffiti too, and sans Glorpedo). It doesn't have individual names for the graffiti symbols, Rainbow M, or Bowser's water. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)

The multiple types
Should it be split into separate articles, or that'd cause more confusion? -- 09:03, December 14, 2019 (EST)
 * I think Rainbow M can be accompanied by an article about Level Gates in general, but otherwise most of these follow the "hazardous to touch, spray them away" formula and have notable differences covered fairly well. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:32, December 14, 2019 (EST)

Rainbow M
Shouldn't Rainbow M be split from this page? Unlike other types of goop, it serves as a portal to another area, much like the paintings originating in Super Mario 64. 12:40, May 3, 2020 (EDT)

Give Level Gate its own article
See comment above. Unlike other types of goop, which are usually hazardous to touch, Level Gates (including Rainbow Ms) are portals to other parts of Isle Delfino, much like paintings in Super Mario 64.

Proposer: Deadline: November 8, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * :D
 * 1) Per all.
 * 2) Per all. If anything, the different types should be split.
 * 3) Per, all. There need to be so many new articles about that.
 * 4) I don't see this as a split as much as there should be an article on this "Level Gate". It's clear that the rainbow M and level gate are not interchangeable entities, as noted in the article: "A Rainbow M is a multicolored M Graffiti used to teleport Mario or Shadow Mario to other parts of Isle Delfino, serving as a subset of Gate (or Level Gate)." What is this "level gate"?
 * 1) I don't see this as a split as much as there should be an article on this "Level Gate". It's clear that the rainbow M and level gate are not interchangeable entities, as noted in the article: "A Rainbow M is a multicolored M Graffiti used to teleport Mario or Shadow Mario to other parts of Isle Delfino, serving as a subset of Gate (or Level Gate)." What is this "level gate"?

Oppose

 * 1) I'm for a new article, but not for a "split" - even Glorpedo has coverage despite having its own article (though perhaps it should be reduced and rewritten considering the main article) - instead, for "Level Gate".

Comments
@LinkTheLefty: Changed accordingly. 21:46, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
 * Would you consider an option for a Level Gate article? It would have broader scope than a Rainbow M article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:07, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, I don't think that's feasible at the moment. There's really only two types of "level gates": paintings and Rainbow Ms; plus, paintings are given even bigger roles in Super Mario Odyssey, thus further hindering the grounds for an outright merge. 22:48, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
 * In context, Level Gate is a general term for the level entrances in Super Mario Sunshine, including Rainbow Ms, which is only applicable to the first three level entrances. It has nothing to do with paintings, at least as far as I am aware. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:09, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
 * Oh, I see... Though is "Level Gate" actually an official name? 23:13, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
 * I've added under the Rainbow M section that both it and Level Gate each come from one of the four (by my count) official English guides. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:43, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
 * Changed accordingly, yet again. 16:02, October 26, 2020 (EDT)

Honestly, I feel Goop and Graffiti themselves shouldn't really share an article. I'd be fine with a lot of splits here. (Also, pretty sure most of the JP names given for electric and burning goop are just generic descriptors given by NPCs, but that's neither here nor there.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:31, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
 * Per Doc von Schmeltwick. -- 13:17, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
 * I think that'd have to be rethought as a separate or overhauled proposal, given how easily goop becomes graffiti and their overall overlap, but throwing it out there that something should at least be done about Generator. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:07, October 26, 2020 (EDT)

Bowser's Fury
Isn't the "Goop" In Bowser's Fury supposed to be Fury? If so i think it should have an article for it's own. Even if there is already a article named "Fury", then make it "Fury (Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury)". -- Bowser64 15:26, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * The term "fury" is used to denote objects relating to Fury Bowser, but I am unaware of any official source that calls the black paint substance itself "fury". It already has very similar properties to the goop from Sunshine, and I think that was purposeful given the various other connections like Cat Shines. 0blivion (talk) 15:44, April 25, 2021 (EDT)
 * Well a lot of people say its fury, and not goop. -- Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 13:09, April 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * Can you provide a source? 0blivion (talk) 13:48, April 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * The term that seems to come up in textboxes is "splotchy goop". LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:10, May 9, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, it isn't goop (Sort-of.) on Wikipedia, it says "Mario discovers a mysterious black sludge pool in the Mushroom Kingdom. After being absorbed by the sludge, Mario finds himself in an archipelago of cat-themed islands called Lake Lapcat..." -- Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 21:45, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * Wikipedia isn't a valid source. -- 22:12, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Just chiming in to say there's a lot of files related to "ink" here. If anyone can give me pointers, since I haven't touched Bowser's Fury, it'll help. For instance, there's "LighthouseInk.szs", "ShadowLuigiInkBall.szs",. There's a ton of "inkspike" and "inkpatch" files, which are like these HUGE conical models. "InkBomb" which looks a boulder and I think is "Kick Bomb".... though they don't look like the soccer bombs I expect usually. The file "AllNewEffectData.szs" which I assume are particle effects for the addon Bowser's Fury content, do contain several references to ink including the aforementioned "ink bomb" such as "InkBombExplodeInk". "InkPuddleFire", "InkPuddleStart", and this "ink" coincides with land and water particle effects (PlayerGigaLand, PlayerGigaLandWater, PlayerGigaLandInk) but idk it might be something else entirely. 20:04, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

Enemies?
Shouldn't this article also mention that a good number of enemies in this game, Bosses and Yoshis included, are made of Goop and aren't real? This seems quite important since we are talking about the attributes of this substance in general. --Conradd (talk) 14:51, July 13, 2023 (EDT)
 * It is mentioned in-game that Yoshis were always inhabitants of Isle Delfino so definitely not them. 14:57, July 13, 2023 (EDT)
 * But those in the game dissolve in water. Wasn't there a guide at the time that explained that Bowser Jr. also created them or is that just a fan theory? --Conradd (talk) 15:14, July 13, 2023 (EDT)
 * It was implied in the original game, and while I don't know about if any contemporary guides said so, Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. said so definitively, even in the original Japanese. (Also, Swallow, it said in-game they were former inhabitants of the island, implying they had been extinct there for a long time.) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:38, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Split off each subtype of goop into its own article
Each subtype of goop has a unique name and unique properties, some of them quite drastically different from regular goop. While they are all clearly related, they are not really any more so related than something like a Koopa Paratroopa is to a Koopa Troopa, or a Spiky Goomba to a Goomba. The sections on the current article for each of the subtypes could each easily carry their own articles as they are already written, and the current structure of the page feels a bit like a strange disambiguation article.

My preferred option would be to keep the "regular goop" section as the main article, as well as non-Super Mario Sunshine appearances that don't clearly fit into one of the subtypes (few if any of goop's other appearances have involved these subtypes, to my knowledge, other than graffiti in Bowser’s Fury as mentioned by Arend in their vote below). I've also included options for keeping regular goop, electric goop, and burning goop (the three most functionally similar varieties) merged, and for splitting every type of goop, including the standard type, keeping the current article only as a disambiguation page.

Proposer: Deadline: July 30, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Split only the subtypes, keeping regular goop in the main article
# Eh, I should probably mark this down as my second option. On second thought, I think the distinction between goop and all the other stuff in the article is the most valuable thing, and this option would blur that a bit, so I'd really rather have option 2.
 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) While I initially thought all types would be a bit excessive, the fact that many of them visually look different and act different convinced me. Especially comparing the Orange Juice Generator to just about any other type. So per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) Makes the most sense to me (also, I take it that the Graffiti from Bowser's Fury will be moved to the eventual Graffiti article, while the splotchy goop from the same game either stays here or gets its own article)
 * 6) I've been confused several times by this setup. Каждый вид слизи должен получить свой артикул.
 * 7) Je suis d'accord! Per all.
 * 8) Per this option.
 * 9) There are too many goop types, it's confusing.

Split all except regular goop, electric goop, and burning goop

 * 1) This proposal completely threw me for a loop because when I came here from the proposal page, I didn't remember how much stuff this article had on it. I'd never call anything in Sunshine "goop" except for the substance covering the ground that you wash off with FLUDD, so I think that's the only stuff that should be in this article. As for why this option: I've never really thought of electric and burning goop as their own thing, considering that there are already three different regular goops. They seem more like special variants than distinct substances.
 * 2) Secondary choice.

Comments
Another thing: the Rainbow M section is appended with an indication that the main article is Level Gate. Perhaps the Rainbow M information should be moved there? The Level Gate article is very short (much shorter than the Rainbow M section on this page, in fact), and having two articles about the same thing is kinda redundant? It'd be similar to how we merged the Shine Monument to the Shine Gate a while ago, except maybe "Level Gate" could be renamed to "Rainbow M" since "Level Gate" is kind of a generic term. 14:18, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
 * This makes sense to me to do if the proposal passes, particularly since the non-Rainbow M Level Gates seem to be made of the same kind of goop/graffiti as the Rainbow Ms. Moving the Bowser’s Fury graffiti to the eventual graffiti article as mentioned in your vote also makes sense to do. Pseudo (talk) 15:41, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
 * To add on to this, I think that the merged Level Gate/Rainbow M article should be titled Level Gate, because the entrances to Sirena Beach and Pianta Village are Level Gates, but not Rainbow Ms, whereas there are no non-Level Gate Rainbow Ms. Pseudo (talk) 15:50, July 17, 2023 (EDT)
 * I dunno... we also have an article for the Paintings in Super Mario 64, which are pretty much Level Gates in of itself, but there's also a handful of "level gates" ins SM64 that aren't paintings (an empty wall leading to Snowman's Land, a trap door leading to Bowser in the Dark World, some kind of pool-like portal on the floor leading to Hazy Maze Cave, and the little house-cage thing a Boo carries leading to Big Boo's Haunt, to name a few). We already have a main article for the SM64 "level gates" in the Painting article (even with it being expanded to include other games), and no one had considered before that non-painting level gates in SM64 were important enough for its own article. I'm pretty sure that we only have a Level Gate article because it's a catch-all term for various level portals, only mentioned in BradyGames's Super Mario Sunshine guide; no other guide seems to use the term. This still makes me think that "Rainbow M" should be the main name because, again, "Level Gate" is a generic term ("Rainbow M" also comes from the Player's Guide, making it probably the closest to an official Nintendo-given name), and we haven't given this privilege to SM64's non-painting entrances at all. Aside from the Rainbow Ms, the only other "Level Gates" in Sunshine are a cannon, staring at the sun, and red Warp Pipes (and I guess a hole under the bridge for the Pachinko secret level). We already have articles for cannons and Warp Pipes, so we certainly don't need an article that already describes these things again, and things like staring at the sun or finding a hole under the bridge are very unique circumstances that might as well be described on their respective levels (much like the cage thing that grants access to Big Boo's Haunt in SM64). Plus, Delfino Plaza doesn't mention Level Gates anywhere, but it does mention Rainbow Ms, Warp Pipes and the cannon. In short, I still think the merged article should be named "Rainbow M", and even though Sirena Beach and Pianta Village's Level Gates aren't Rainbow Ms, they are Warp Pipes and don't need to be covered on a Rainbow M article beyond a passing mention. 16:03, July 18, 2023 (EDT)
 * That's fair enough, Rainbow M does seem like a better article title in that case. Pseudo (talk) 19:29, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

I created a draft/mock-up of the final layout of the pages based on the split. Have a look here, and suggest any changes or additions in a reply to this comment: User:Pseudo/Split_goop_article_drafts (also please note that all templates are intentionally broken since userspace pages are not allowed to include them) Pseudo (talk) 07:23, July 23, 2023 (EDT)