MarioWiki:Proposals

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Split articles/keep articles split if they have notable name and appearance changes. Merge articles if they have the same name and not enough changes from the original.
Currently, the wiki does not have a clear set guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled. If this proposal goes through I believe it will friendlier for new and exisiting wiki users as it allows content to be searched outside Mario Wiki and covered more cleanly.

I propose that articles covering similar should be split in the following conditions.


 * If there is a name change. This should be the most important factor in deciding an article split, as search engines such as Google rely on the name the most.
 * It is considered a different entity by the game itself in addition to the name change. Direct replacements such as Power Star to Grand Star can be covered in the original article. Moves used by different characters count.
 * If there are design differences in addition to the above, such as with Daisy Blossom and Goombo.
 * If the same name is shared, but there are significant differences to the point where a seperate article is needed to cover them all. Examples like Mario and Sonic games from Wii to DS count.

Articles possibily affected include: Daisy Blossom, Daisy Bomber, Daisy Parasol, Azure Roller, Cyber Slick, Goombo and the ports of games with the same name such as Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Luigi's Mansion.

Proposer: Deadline: October 27, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Not only do I think pages such as Azure Roller and Daisy Blossom should be split from Roller and Peach Blossom because they have different names and look different, they also don't appear in every game and share every single detail. Azure Roller appears in different CPU controller karts and time trials, and Daisy Blossom is all flowers and daisies and the background and frames are completely different, and also doesn't appear in games before Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. There is also the issue of how search engines such as Google cannot easily link Daisy Blossom to Peach Blossom and a user searching up the move will not get relevant results unless it's on a seperate page. There are a lot of people searching up wheels such as Retro Off Road and Cyber Slick. For games such as Captain Toad Treasure Tracker and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze with the same name and a lack of drastic sweeping changes, I think they should be merged and exclusive content covered in the article itself, then it would be friendlier if Switch owners are looking for the content.

Oppose

 * 1) The statement that there's no policy on splitting pages with the same name is downright false; policy and consensus have stated that if something has gameplay differences, it's splitting time. Azure Roller being merged to Roller doesn't even need a proposal, just a talk page discussion. Finally, this all seems like a knee-jerk reaction to the Daisy Bomber page being converted back to a redirect, seeing as it happened just yesterday.
 * 2) Per DarkStar and my principle towards opposing proposals that are purely reactive and/or prioritize forcing through a user's personal opinion over all else. In support of the later, it's evident that the claim of the wiki lacking "a guideline on how similar entites with different names or slightly different entities with the same name should be handled" is poorly researched to the point of being blatantly false (indicated for starters by this proposal regarding ports).

Comments
We already split subjects with different names and appearances, such as with Goombo. Regardless, arguably Daisy's special moves are different than other variants, as Daisy is labelled as an echo fighter, contrary to other examples of variants which are often treated as their own separate thing. Due to that there is less ground to split Daisy's special moves when they are literally part of a official clone of a character. Regardless, the "and if there are less than four variants" thing is unnecessary, as really if a thing should be split than it should be split, merging stuff just because there is a lot of things would just be confusing and would pad out articles for no reason. 09:24, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

There are more differences between Daisy's moves and Peach's moves than Goombos and Goombas. I believe Daisy still have a seperate Movelist page in the game than Peach has. In New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe, Blue Toad and Yellow Toad were similar enough to be merged and not seperately selectable in game, and literally call the same model. They have seperate pages on the wiki. Echo Fighters are more like how you copy a file and it still takes up extra space on your harddrive, rather than creating a file shortcut. The original Japanese meaning even references how derivative numbers are still different numbers despite being copied from. -- memoryman3 09:30, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
 * There isn't more difference though. If anything, that just comes off as biased. As for Blue and Yellow Toad, you can actually select either of them. The reason that they are in the same slot and thus cannot play as both Blue and Yellow Toad is because Toadette took the slot the Blue Toad had. They have separate pages on the wiki simply due to their previous appearances regardless. If you copy a file it is still the same file, and the comparison has nothing to do with wether or not Daisy's move should be split.  09:40, October 20, 2019 (EDT)


 * Even if you could select Blue and Yellow Toad in different slots, the only difference between them is the color of their mushroom cap. No gameplay differences and no design differences other than that, Nintendo explictly kept them as similar as possible. They are still seperate pages. Like Peach and Daisy's moves the game appearances are a bit different. As for the copying thing, if the file is changed a bit, for all intents and purposes it is a different file. For Blue Toad and Yellow Toad I would probably keep them split for the search engine reasons.--MK8DX_Daisy_Icon.png memoryman3 09:46, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

I have updated the proposal to more clearly reflect what I mean, and how this could be applied wiki wide. This is not reactive. -- memoryman3 10:29, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Been following the matter on the talk page, and this is rather poor form to say the least. -- 10:32, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

Generally poor form to make a proposal when you've been unanimously opposed on the talk page beforehand. 10:37, October 20, 2019 (EDT)

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