User talk:Phoenix/Archive 1

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Anyway, thanks for stoppin' by my talk page and have a nice day! :)

Image Upload
Hello Phoenix am just here to reminder you to license the images before you upload them.

Okay, uh...how do I do that? :) 02:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

After pressing the Browser button for the image you're about to put in then go the Licensing section below and select the tag to use.

Oh, OK thanks! Sorry, I didn't know I had to do that... 02:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey phoenix! When saving a page, there is a checkbox above the save page button that says "This is a minor edit". If you're planning to make many edits in a row, try to check that box, it makes it easier. However you can make it even more easy if you combine all of your edits into one gigantic edit! You've done nothing wrong, just for future reference, thx and keep contributing!

Yes you could do so, if you were simply uploading a picture to use in a userbox then it's alright.

RE:Audio on places pages
Not really.

Re:Thanks
No problem how are you?
 * Fixing userpage up a bit and editing articles.
 * Ah, alright, icarly is funny sometimes, I just like gibby's antics.
 * Yup, him and spencer are humorous.

Indeed, might watch that new episode tonight, heh.
 * Heh, nice I guess. Might play a bit of Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG too, lol.

Nope
I don't think there is one.


 * Well, there's Flip Meter (from S.Paper M.), Shake Meter (from Wario L. Shake it) and Smile Meter (from Yoshi's Story), so I don't really see why not to make one. Are you making an article of meters in general or a specific one?


 * I have to say, that's some nice work you did to it! Keep it up.

What's up
Hi you don't know me I'm Mario7727 do you want to be friends and i need help on Super Mario Galaxy 2 on Grandmaster Galaxy on The Perfect Run.

I need help on Super Mario Galaxy 2 on Grandmaster Galaxy on The Perfect Run!

On the place where the floor flips from tiles to blue...the fourth part of the color changing tiles!

.......I meant to put 241 since today I Barely got 9999 star bits (the secret was i kept doing Slimy String Galaxy and go in a tube with chests and 3 shells i found the 3 chests that had 25 star bits so i kept doing that...) I HAD 45 LIVES WHEN I STARTED DOING THE PERFECT RUN I WHEN I TURNED OFF THE GAME I HAD 25 LIVES...I'm so mad at myself for trying that many times...oh do you want to be friends?

Want to go to the chat room it would be faster!

Well...You go to irc.darkmyst.org and put your username and put under channel #mwikitalk ok

Or on the side right here click Wiki Chat ok?

Friends
Sure you can be my friend.

that is my userbox. Dun Dun Dun Da--

Buddies
Care to? Mine's on meh userpage, just view source to find it/
 * Thanks a lot!

Hell yeah!

Friend
I wouldn't mind that at all, but I'd like get to know you better. So, what's up?
 * Sure I guess. I've been playing a whole bunch of random games lately. I can't wait for Donkey Kong Country Returns!

Freinds
OK. We can be friends. Do you have something interesting to tell me? I'm bored...

Dont even mention the word N*ck. You don't understand how many fights i've gotten in with people for calling me N*ck. It's that serious. Dont ask why.

Lo siento? Whats that mean?

OK, cool. So wassup? I see you love banjo-kazooie. So much you edited it over 50 times continuously. You know its better to do all of that in one edit.

And also theres a guy called Phoenix Rider on this wiki, funny coincidence.

Edit the whole page instead of individual sections.

Whyd you name yourself Phoenix? Mileycyrussoulja 02:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I wanna do some editing, and it'll take a while, so see you in a bit. Mileycyrussoulja 02:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Friend Request
Sure we can. :) Here you go:

Freinds (2)
Yeah, Rosalina is one of my favorite characters too. Since she appeared as playable in mario kart wii, I wanted to look her in more games. hope she can apppear in the new mario sport mix. would be great 8). And yes, I did it, thank you :)

Merge?
What do you mean by merge, though?


 * Oh right. Yeah, I think it's not a bad idea - maybe you can also notify that if the Hungry Luma is found in a galaxy (to access a planet) or the Comet Observatory (to access a galaxy). Like what Fawfulfury65 said, you can ask the question on the article's talk page


 * Cool!

Re: Friends?
Sure :)

Community bonds help you feel at home in a place like this
 * No, no userbox. But I'm fine if you make one yourself. I don't see the point of having a custom userbox. I put userboxes on my page but to if you want one that says you're friends with me, I suggest you use someone else's coding, replace the words and use a picture of Mario instead :)

Subspace Army
I think it would be fine, but first you should ask that question on the article's talkpage.

Re: userpage Pic
Well, it is possible but I'm not sure. maybe this guy can help you out. His userbox changes every time you visit his page, so he should know well about that.


 * Take this code   and replace the a and b with with the images you want it to cycle between.  03:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You got a Grand Star!
Yo, wassup? The name's Fawful117. My real name is Michael. Say, who do you want in the new Mario Sports Mix?

Fawful117 I HAVE CHORTLES!

Games
No I haven't been up to any interesting games lately except for my usual HeartGold, Platinum and Emerald versions of Pokemon. Sorry for the super late reply--
 * No I haven't sorry. I used to have Pokemon Diamond and My Pokemon Ranch as well.--

The answers are as follows:

 * 1) Yes but it has to be a PI unless its in Userbox.
 * Yes
 * 1) Yes if it's not in an article or in the userbox page.
 * 2) I don't know what you mean.


 * Not sure why you deleted that last comment, but just so you know, you have two personal images, and you can't put an image on top of an image or an icon.
 * Oh sorry I wasn't paying attention to the whole page :p

Re: GIF
Depends, what's the image?
 * Sure, maybe I could try uploading it!
 * Atom.gif?

RE: Awesome Username!!!
I don't actually remember.
 * I don't see why not.
 * No.

Uh...
What's a userbox? And how do I make one? Fawful117 I HAVE CHORTLES! 21:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Userbox
Thanks for the userbox :)--

Re:userbox
Thanks for the new userbox, the weekend was boring. How was yours?
 * Better than being bored anyways, heh.

I can understand, for me having to build a website takes awhile. D:
 * yea, I know, wiki template building is a good start to help in building a site since you get a tad bit of the feel.

Hey there, Phoenix, what's up? Also just passed the 800 edit mark, yay!
 * Good luck with it, I'm quite close to 900 now, although I prefer not to look at as how many you can get, if you're helping clean up the site then you feel better.

Friend User box
Thanks! I think the atom is pretty cool!

Yo, Phoenix!
Wanna be in my RPG? Fawful117 I HAVE CHORTLES! 01:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm using the GameMaker application from YoYogames, of course! Fawful117 I HAVE CHORTLES! 02:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

World pages
Uh... I don't know. It's not locked or anything, so you should be able to edit it as long as you're logged in.
 * Are you sure you're not hitting "show changes" instead? It should show up. Or are you using a different computer or something? Maybe that's why, but I don't know what else.
 * I tried to edit it and the preview came up...

Yes.

Re:Friend Request
Of course I would like to be your friend.

08:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

RPG
Well, if you wanna be in it, I'll set you up. It's an RPG about a red Bob-omb named Buddy who goes on a journey to collect the 15 star cures and crystal stars! there's also many partners and bosses, and it's awesome! if you wanna be in it, just let me now, ok? ;) Fawful117 I HAVE CHORTLES! 22:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Propeller Toad's Response
Hey Phoenix! It's nice to meet you! Actually Super Mario Sunshine was the first Mario game I owned for myself. I played more of the older games, but they were usually the games that belonged to my friends and cousins. I also have more Mario games including the Mario Kart titles, Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time and Bowser's Inside Story, and as well as the two New Super Mario Bros. installments.

Propeller Toad 17:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Not yet. However, I am planning to get Galaxy 2 for Christmas. Do you know if it is any good?

Propeller Toad 18:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

True, but I guess I could catch up by playing the game. Maybe I will get it as many say that it is really good. Thanks for your opinion! Are you planning to get any Mario games soon?

Propeller Toad 18:17, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I also joined the series a bit late as well. My first Mario Party was Mario Party 7 at a friend's house, and in my opinion it was pretty fun (especially the mini games). The only one I own though is Mario Party DS, and I would say that it's pretty fun though a bit repetitive.

Propeller Toad 18:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

RE: Super Mario Sunshine question...
If you are talking about the last two secret Shines in every level, go ahead.

Re: What's up? :)
Sure! I'll be friends with you! My userbox is in my page. It's in the "Ultra" part of my sign.

OK. I've got your userbox. Feel free to be friends with me.

I guess. The latest game I got was Donkey Kong Country Returns.

Sure do! Well, it's pretty hard. My brother helped me do this game. I'm on the Ruins (World 3). Did you know that some guy in my class is up to the Factory (World 7)?

I guess. Donkey Kong Country Returns was the only Donkey Kong game I had, and I want to collect all the secrets (bananas, K-O-N-G pieces, etc.) to see what happens.

What article?

Friend Request
Sure, no problem! For the userbox, here you go:

Cool! I guess we're friends now. :) Propeller Toad 22:40 December 03, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Friend Request
Hi, and yes, no problem. Here's the userbox:

Re: Friend Request
Sure. :) --

Re: How's it going?
You can fight me in SSBB, or race with me in MKW. You have to tell me your friend code and you have to enter my friend code. 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's on my userpage. 22:18, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Oops. My bad. My SSBB code is actually 3437-5169-1991. 13:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

You still need to exchange friend codes to go on different modes on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. 01:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, is it okay if I tweak your userbox on my userbox tower? 01:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just want to make it look like this:

10:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

OK. My friend codes are over here:

MKW: 2665-7706-1060

SSBB: 3437-5169-1991

SSBB (nickname): UML

11:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh. It is: 2964-3506-0511-2012. 18:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I entered your MKW and Wii console friend code.

'Sup
Hey, Phoenix! How are you? I'm usually busy, so I'm not as active as I used to be. I'll be gone for the next three weeks cause I'm going on vacation.


 * Vietnam, and some other Southeast Asian countries. :)

Re:Problem
Well, I certainly know what the problem is, but it's nothing either of us can fix yet. He obviously hasn't ended his signature with ''', which ends the bold effect. The best we can do is ask a sysop to change it (I can get hold of Edo pretty easily in chat) or leave a message on his talk page. 10:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is very strange. It appears the bold on the text doesn't appear in every browser. For example, the browser that Edo uses, and the one my friend Count Bonsula uses, if it isn't the same, does not show the text bolded. When Edo logged in on Internet Explorer, it showed up for him. I think it's a problem that only shows up in Internet Explorer, if you use that. 10:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's a problem with the Wiki syntax. He appeared to be using this (  ) to bold instead of the usual method ( ''' ). It's probably a problem with the  tag. 14:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can honestly say I'm not sure. Edo wasn't even sure when he saw it either, and he's a sysop. Perhaps you could drop by Porple's talk page and see if he can help. I'd expect him to know, he did create the Wiki. Even if he doesn't, he may be interested to know about this bug. 18:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it would be. In fact, it shows up on IE wherever his signature is. I spoke with Tucky about it and he thinks he may have fixed it. 21:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, he's done it. Tucky's awesome like that :D. 22:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Friend Request
Sure, here's my box. 18:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Grand Pianta Statue
Ok, I believe you. I changed it because the article about the statue called it Great Pianta Statue. Shouldn't we move Great Pianta Statue to Grand Pianta Statue, if it is so? -  (t)  Yoshi's Island   (c)   12:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to proposal. If it was at Wikipedia, I would have moved it without asking. If it is called Grand Pianta Statue in the game, it's only to move it, I think. If someone complain is it only to move it back again. - [[Image:Yoshi Egg Big.gif|22px]] (t)  Yoshi's Island   (c)  [[Image:PM2 Yoshi.PNG|22px]] 14:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I have asked for help at the talk page. I couldn't move it by myself, because a redirect had the name Grand Pianta Statue. I hope someone will help soon. - [[Image:Yoshi Egg Big.gif|22px]] (t)  Yoshi's Island   (c)  [[Image:PM2 Yoshi.PNG|22px]] 22:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas sig
What should it look like?
 * Yeah, just like any sig.
 * The Santa hat? I think it would be too small. Maybe I can draw the hat? It might not look as good but it's still Christmasy. But if I did that the transparency would go away so someone else would have to fix that.

This is the best I could do:  Sorry if it's kind of bad. It would probably look better if done on GIMP.

Hey Phoenix
Well I'm good, Christmas will be fun. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. : >P--
 * And a very happy new year!

Merry Christmas to you too!
Hey, merry Christmas to you too! I hope you enjoyed it. I got some pretty good presents; loads of chocolate, a new phone, a couple of books. Have a good boxing day (if you do anything on it).

Re: ¡Feliz Navidad!
Merry Christmas, Phoenix! Oh yeah, I was also gonna give you a gift. It's right below.

BTW how did you do the upside-down question mark?

RE:(upside-down exclamation point)Feliz Navidad!
And merry Christmas to you, too, except it's a day late.

Joyeux Noel
Thanks, you too!

Shroom/Mushroom
You know the proposal on Talk:Life Shroom? The proposal is proposing we split "Life Shroom" into "Life Shroom" and "Life Mushroom". I agree that the items have totally different effects but the proposal will have them split into exactly those two things. Now, the definitions of "Shroom" and "Mushroom" are the same thing; which means we will be creating an article ("Life Mushroom") where a redirect should be instead. Now, splitting it into "Life Shroom" and "Life Shroom (Galaxy series)" would be an applicable option, but the proposer isn't proposing that. So until he does that, I will not support and I beg that you don't either.
 * Ya, SMB changed my mind >_>
 * Now I say do not change your vote! I can't believe I sent these messages out first but oh well, I'm really hoping I don't make an impact.

NSMBW
If you think that's hard, wait till you try out DKCR (if you haven't). It's even harder than NSMBW!
 * Maybe you just aren't used to sidescrollers yet. You might be more of a 3-D game person or something.

SMG2
No I'm not. I got the knowledge from videos cuz I haven't got a wii yet... PD: y a ti te deseo un feliz año nuevo amigo!! :)

Friend
Yoshi? Yoshi, Yoshi. (Wanna be friends? If you be my friend, I'll give you a free Yoshi, just tell me what colour Yoshi you like best.)

Freind
Would you like to be a freind of mine?

Friend Request
Hey Phoenix wanna be my friend?--User:UltraMario3000

My userbox --User:UltraMario3000

Nothin.:P Ive been Playing Mario and Luigi:SuperStar Saga lately. BTW you should go on the chatroom.--User:UltraMario3000

You wanna come to the MarioWiki chatroom?--User:UltraMario3000

RE: How's it going
Good

Re: SMG2?
Very :)
 * Hm...I don't recall ever getting the cosmic spirit in one of those levels, but I remember complaining to my brother about how a bronze grand star would work so I'm pretty sure it's possible...

Thanks
BTW can you come on the MarioWiki chatroom for me? If you come BTW ill be there! The chatrooms always full of action!:3--User:UltraMario3000

Well its quite simple actually! You know under the search bar theres you see a link to The 'Shroom well under that link theres the chatroom so you can go there and then Ill explain everything when you get there.--User:UltraMario3000

RE:
Thank you. Happy new year to you too!

07:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)
 * Same from me. Happy New Year!

Hi
Hi Phoenix. I wanna chat with you so can you come to MarioWikiChat again?--User:UltraMario3000

Re: Happy New Year!
1/1/11, we won't have a cool day like that again until 1/11/11. Just a couple days away and hi.

RE: (I'm not gonna try spelling it)
Happy new year! And late again. I'm on a roll!

Friends and Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Phoenix! Would you like to be friends?

Thanks! Here is my userbox.

Re: Wii Mods
Oh no! We don't allow pimped Wiis in the article. They look sooo unprofessional (and not oficially made by nintendo)... and no, I don't know how they do it. They should do experienced guys that know take apart consoles and turn these things into a transformer.

I'm back for revenge
Hi, I'm back! Thanks for the offline messages - happy (belated) Christmas and New Year to you too!


 * It was great, thanks.

Many Mario games
I don't understand what you mean by the "Many Mario games" thing. Where does it say this?
 * Hmm... I don't see anything other than the lists of world 1s in each game.

Thank You!
Hey thanks for the wishes Phoenix! I was not able to check around the site much during that time, but I really appreciate your wishes! Propeller Toad

Sure!
Ok come to the chat whenever you feel ready to Phoenix!--

Hey, Phoenix!
Wassup? long time, no see/talk! Have you decided if you wanna be in my RPG yet? Remember the steps! First, you need to specify your character's gender, age, name, ability(Pokemon related), Power level, defense level, attacks, Special Attacks, HP, Sp, and a personality. Plus, you have to chose to be a Boss or a partner. And don't forget to have a species! Get all that done, and I'll see ya soon, my Grand Star Friend! Fawful117 Remember, if you haven&#39;t requested to be in my RPG(if you want to), just come to my chat page and I&#39;ll see if I can put you in! I HAVE CHORTLES! =) 19:08, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Friends
Hey wanna be friends?\\

Re: Friends
Thanks here is mine:

Re:Hey...
Hello, and thank you for your question.

Everybody, believe it or not, is able to give users warnings. Sysops and patrollers are the only ones able to block them, but anyone can give reminders or warnings, or even lastwarnings. 11:38, 22 January 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, I haven't seen it in detail anywhere, so I don't blame you. 11:46, 22 January 2011 (EST)
 * A warning is kinda like a permanent record. If someone continues to break the rules even after a lastwarning has been issued (which happens after a user has ignored their warnings still), then they will be blocked. Of course, most spammers, and all definitive sockpuppets, are blocked immediately. 12:21, 22 January 2011 (EST)

Screw 1/1/11!
11/11/11 is when it's gonna be awesome! Especially at eleven eleven AM/PM! at eleven seconds, milliseconds, nanoseconds, oh the endless awesomeness that day will hold! It gives me the gleeful chortles just thinking about it! ;) Fawful117 Remember, if you haven&#39;t requested to be in my RPG(if you want to), just come to my chat page and I&#39;ll see if I can put you in! I HAVE CHORTLES! =) 10:58, 26 January 2011 (EST)

P.s. What is "Talking in third person"?

...So, I guess that goes for Fawful then, right? Fawful117 Remember, if you haven&#39;t requested to be in my RPG(if you want to), just come to my chat page and I&#39;ll see if I can put you in! I HAVE CHORTLES! =) 13:44, 26 January 2011 (EST)

Re: Help
Is that better?
 * By the way, I also changed a couple other things (including adding the header), tell me if there's anything you don't like.
 * Urk, side effects, did I get them all?

DYK
You can add it if it isn't locked, but there is a certain day (I think Saturday) that it is supposed to be edited.
 * Yeah, that's probably the best time.
 * I don't know. I don't pay attention to that template.

That's okay
Oh, I didn't know you did that. You can add the "not to be confused" thing when the names are VERY similar, like Coin and Koin.

RE:Hey...Part 2
Sure, you can do the ones that aren't already. It's good for continuity, conjectural titles or not. 14:50, 28 January 2011 (EST)

Personally, I'm not too sure either, I've never made one. >_>

I think you should go to List of PipeProjects, then create a sub-section under the "Suggested" header. Here's the code for a PipeProject suggestion

=== === Description:

Creator:

Interested:

Comments:

This is the setup for a PipeProject. If people are interested and think it's a good idea, then they'll put their name under "Interested" like voting for an FA. Remember to describe it clearly if you go ahead and make it. 04:11, 29 January 2011 (EST)

Re: SMG2 Thing
I don't think we have an article on it, but is it really notable enough? Does it have any plot significance? Does it even have an official name? I think that a more accurate approach would be to make a section/paragraph about it on this article.

Re: TV references
It's possible that the users was rewriting the article and erasing some information that apparently was wrong.

RE: Proposals?
Yes, anyone can make a proposal. Nobody can get banned, and there isn't particularly a limit. 12:19, 14 February 2011 (EST)

Fun Bazaar
Oh yeah, I love those things! :D I don't think we really need articles of them, but my suggestion is making a whole list of them under the Carnival Wagon section in Fun Bazaar.

Hi
It's ok Lindsay151 banned him while you were still messaging me!<3.--

Re: Club Nintendo Rewards
Only the ones that involve Mario.

Hello Phoenix

 * Hi Phoenix I was wondering if you would like to try out contributing on NintendoWiki, the main wiki of the NIWA alliance and I am seeking out good contributors to help out there as Tacopill recommends. Thanks.

RE: Books Category
Hi there; just snagged the time to respond to your message. As far as I know; I haven't really checked if there was a category for books. You can investigate further on stuff that's covered here "books" wise to see if someone has taken care of that already, though. Hope that helps. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:31, 23 February 2011 (EST)

Galaxy Reactor
Hey, I thought I got that article really cleaned up and improved the quality. What needs rewriting now? Hopefully I can fix it. 07:35, 24 February 2011 (EST)
 * That's okay. Well, since you didn't specify, feel free to correct them. I'm not sure about the errors, so I don't mind that much. 12:01, 24 February 2011 (EST)

Re:Bullets
Nope, something's definitely happening. The table of contents thing looks out of whack for me too - the words are too far to the right or something. It looks like that on this talk page for me as well.
 * Cool! I wonder how that was happening...
 * Hmm that's wierd.

About the article
Yeah I know but we don't make articles on modes. However I reverted my edit to see what Patrollers and Sysops think of this article.:P--

But don't worry, I got rid of the delete template to see what Patrollers and Sysops think of this article.--

BIS Edit
It doesn't look much like vandalism, but more like a bad edit made by a new user. It's not a glitch though, since the Treevils are supposed to follow you when you're under them. Just undo it if you haven't.

RE: Templates?
Hi!

Uh, there isn't any template that I know of. Try looking in the same category as the split and merge ones. 14:52, 5 March 2011 (EST)
 * Yes, you could. If you're stuck, you could look at the split and merge ones, copy a code, and just change the colors and text. I guess there isn't one because there aren't too many TPPs about that. 15:53, 5 March 2011 (EST)
 * Oh. If the rest are the same, then I guess this should be too. 16:01, 5 March 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, just create it as a new article with the "Template:" prefix. If it needs to be protected, a sysop will probably do it. 16:13, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Cool
Hey Phoenix you have a really cool user page! --Yoshidude99 11:40, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah here's my friend box! ! --Yoshidude99  14:50, 7 March 2011 (EST)

What's your favourite Mario game? Just asking so I can make a thing on my user page about my friends favourite Mario games. I have seen your favourites on your user page but I just need one of your favourites.Thanks! --Yoshidude99 03:06, 10 March 2011 (EST)

Super Mario Sunshine levels
Hi. I saw that you added descriptions of the secret Shine Sprites to the SMS level articles (back in January). This is fine. However, I also saw that you labeled them as episodes 9 and 10 respectively. I do not recall those shines to be numbered like that in-game. Is there some other place you received that information from? - 22:08, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
 * Oh, I see. That is indeed alright. Nevermind then. - 04:13, 15 March 2011 (EDT)

About Userpedia
Well since he can't contact a sysop in chat why don't you just ask your friend to PM a UP sysop or he could go to the UP forums.--

PM means email.--

Well there's Castle Toad, Edofenrir, and 2257.--