Talk:Super Mario 3D World/Archive 1

New character?
Found a picture that has what appears to be a new character. Looks alot like Toad - http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/06/Super-Mario-3D-World-7.jpg --Paani (talk) 12:28, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * The big one looks like Yoshi crossed with Dorrie and the small one looks like a Pi'illo from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.
 * The small one looks a bit like one of those Subcon creatures found at the end of SMB2. I think it's more likely to be a Subcon rather than a Pi'llow, seeing how characters that originated from RPG subgames rarely make an appearance in the main games.

"Yoshi-Like Eels"?
Why are they labeled as eels? The boss was clearly in a desert theme and looks a lot more like Tryclyde or a bunch of cobrats, not eels. UrsulaBoi (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

I agree, they look more like snakes, they aren't underwater. Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

There's no need for talk sections like this. Anyway, snakes and eels kinda look like in Mario. MegaKoopa  Talk  21:03, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, But the Snake King and that Orange dinosaur thingie need names like Pharoah Cobar of the Cobrats and Katsura the Dino. :)--Toonking2 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Two Toads?
In the Playable Character list, there it says Blue Toad and Toad. I know Blue Toad's playable, but is there a normal Toad as well? Is the any reference or external link that says so? or any image?
 * Regular Toad (red cap, blue vest) is shown as playable in the video, as well. I'm assuming the player who chooses Toad can select a color (default; blue; possibly yellow) as a nod to the fact that there's multiple colors of toads. That makes the most sense, anyway. UrsulaBoi (talk) 16:21, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Remember how Paper Mario: TTYD has sidequests? Regular Toad could have a sidequesr but that is simply speculation. We should find out between now and this December.--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * No. That kind of thing only happens in RPG Mario.  It's probably Brigade Captain in singleplayer and NSMBW Blue Toad as an equivelant character in multiplayer so there isn't color conflicts.  98.215.11.137 10:50, 15 June 2013 (EDT)  Pre-registration comment by  Rot8er_ConeX

No, Blue toad is the only one playable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JooUqPF2Lf4 Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2013 (EDT) And that's the Toad Brigade captain anyway, not Toad.
 * The 'Toad Brigade Captain' is Toad (the Mushroom Retainer), just under a different name and with a helmet-light on his head. 98.215.11.137 10:50, 15 June 2013 (EDT) Pre-registration comment by:  Rot8er_ConeX

I'm thinking there won't be a yellow Toad since the color of his cat suit would be the same as Mario's.--Paani (talk) 02:17, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

For now, nothing can told that the blue Toad is Toad himself, as long as trailers don't show everything from the game. It's better to describe the playable one as the Blue Toad while the Toad as unconfirmed status. --Dorayaki (talk) 11:45, 21 June 2013 (EDT)

I saw the Brigade Captain also in 4-2. For the video, see ultimately on the downside of this discussion, where also potted piranha plants are mentioned.

This is the brigade captain
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/dc/SM3DWtower.png He has a light and backpack...But the icon shows Toad. The only screen he's showed in, it might be some kind of bonus game? Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

I'm having doubts about the identity of Toad in this game. I initially thought that the Blue Toad we saw was the same Toad New Super Mario Bros. Wii and New Super Mario Bros. U, but in the same gameplay and Iwata have simply called Toad. If you remember in some version of Super Mario Bros. 2, Toad the original was blue instead of red so I thought the Toad Super Mario 3D World is the original Toad or Blue Toad the games mentioned before?--Sonic98 (talk) 11:07, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

If should be noted that even in official introductions the producers and writers still call both Yellow and Blue Toads "Kinopio" regardless that Toad is a name for individual. So the words of mouth can't be references unless the official director explains it deliberately. --Dorayaki (talk) 11:45, 21 June 2013 (EDT)

Frog Mario
Is it best to remove frog mario to the page until it is comfirmed that the form will appear cause they made a joke to cat luigi that his frog suit is in and he can use his tounge http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/34589 gamermakerguy
 * Indeed. I agree this should be removed. Nothing proves this, and it should be taken out of the 3D World template. User:8BrickMario
 * All new information should come from official sources, not from Twitter pages. Same goes for new information for Super Smash Bros. 4. Just to let you know. 19:42, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Will someone please remove it from the template? It doesn't belong with no proof! User:8BrickMario
 * I know this was made months ago, but I have now taken care of it.

Thanks! User:8BrickMario

World 2-1
A few E3 gameplay videos (like GameXplain's and IGN's) says World 2-1 is also called "Mice Hills". Is there any more examples of this? DonnyKD (talk) 00:55, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

Tanooki Mario
I have seen confirmation that Tanooki Mario is in this game in text, but no pictures so far. But my main question is, if we know he's in the game, can we assume the Super Leaf will be in it, too, since that's the powerup that generates it in Super Mario 3D Land? 98.215.11.137 18:28, 15 June 2013 (EDT) Pre-registration comment by  Rot8er_ConeX
 * I would assume so, but you never know they may decide to have a different item.

Of course the Super Leaf will be in it. That's like wondering if a fire flower will be in after seeing Fire Mario. Yoshiyoshiyoshi (talk) 14:42, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I completely believe it will return, but it hasn't been confirmed, yet.


 * I'm agreeing with Yoshi876 here: for whatever reason EAD Tokyo could decide to make the Tanooki Suit item from Super Mario Bros. 3 make a reappearance, though if they do, I'm betting it'd be for Statue Tanooki Mario, not (False) Tanooki Mario.  98.215.11.137 16:28, 16 June 2013 (EDT)  Pre-registration comment by  Rot8er_ConeX

Do we have sources telling or showing the Super Leaf or Tanooki Mario? If not we need a source otherwise we remove the information. We can't just assume that they will add it in. It was like when we expected Hammer Mario in 3D land since we had boomerang mario yet Hammer Mario never appeared in 3D land.

Release Date
I would like to see proof that the Release date is valid. 11:12, 6/18/2013 (EDT)


 * Here you go: http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/10/01/super-mario-3d-world-release-date-announced. -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)

Question Box
Could we add "Question Boxes" to the list of items in-game? There's a gameplay video of world 2-1 where Peach hits a ? Block enough times that it eventually stays on her head for a while and produces coins as she moves for a period of time, just like the ones in 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros 2. If links are allowed, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56NukD6QGBc - the incident in question starts at about 1:58. 15:45 June 19, 2013

Multiplayer and Warp Pipes
Using the same video link as my statement above, I'd also like to suggest adding this: According to the demos shown, in multiplayer, if more than one player enters a Warp Pipe, any other players are automatically transformed into balls of light and follow the other players onto the next screen. This was only shown in 4-player mode as far as I know, though. So it may be somewhat different in 2- or 3-player mode. 15:51 June 19, 2013

Carryable Enemies
In one review, i saw Blue Toad carrying a potted Piranha Plant. see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZcEnFNjRU. It starts at about 2:56, and the aformentioned Toad Brigade Captain is first seen at 3:38. writer unknown. 15:05 June 23, 2013. (Edited later by to give this a fitting title).

First Time Playable
Should it be noted that it is Peach and (a) Toad's first playable 3D appearance, as well as first since SMB2? User:8BrickMario
 * I believe it is mentioned and if it's not then it has been removed for a good reason.

Kuribo's Shoe
http://images.wikia.com/fantendo/images/3/37/Super-mario-3d-world-goomba.jpg

In that image, Mario and Luigi are seen in a shoe, as well as the Goomba. Could this be the Kurbio's Shoe? Or are these just ice skates? I'm not sure whether the image is official. In the bottom right it says "Vandal" but I can't find anything of that, whatever it is.
 * It got shown in the official trailer, so it could just be a website putting their mark on it to say that image has been on their website, but at the moment I believe we're treating it as a separate item as ice skates are slightly different from shoes, but I'm sure that information will change as more details about the game are revealed.

Toad or Blue Toad?
Originally everyone says he's THE Toad, but now it's changed to Blue Toad. And soon there's probably going to be a person who will change it back to Toad. Also, there's information about the Toad's appearance in 3D World in Toad's article. So which Toad is it? Should there be a proposal for this?
 * Iwata referred to this blue Toad as Toad, so people assume that it's Toad. 14:07, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Iwata just said "Toad" because its a catch-all term, since there's no definite reason to call him otherwise. The Blue Toad also can't be THE Toad since THE Toad is not only a seperate playable character, but is also in the Clear Pipes of World 4. DonnyKD (talk) 17:39, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

All sources released for the game from articles and official game descriptions including the game itself names this character as "Toad". In the character selection screen, this Toad is named as "Toad", and not "Blue Toad" as the NSMB games have. Additionally, the game's throwback to SMB2 would imply that this Toad is Toad with blue references to his SMB2 sprite. Additionally, from a small clip we can't tell if it was the Toad Brigade Captain that was shown in that small preview. 01:07, 7 July 2013 (EDT)
 * The Toad in SMB2 may be Toad with blue spots, but the playable Toad is definitely Blue Toad. And clearer videos like IGN's E3 walkthrough have World 4-2 and you can see the Toad Brigade Captain in the last pipe before the flagpole. DonnyKD (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Yes, that was the Toad Brigade captain in the Clear Pipe (who I forgot was THE Toad, according to this page), so I agree that the blue Toad is, well, Blue Toad. Also, if you look at the picture with the captain, you can see in the life icon in the top left corner that he is wearing a red cap and blue vest. 01:02, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

Singleplayer Characters?
Is it known if Luigi, Toad and Peach are playable in singleplayer at all? I assume Luigi would be unlockable, unless you could choose from one of the four from the start?


 * If it's taking as much inspiration from Super Mario Bros. 2 as I think it is, I'd say yes, but I don't believe Nintendo have made any statements towards this yet.

Yes, they are. There is video of Peach playing alone and it is implied that Peach and Blue Toad will be for beginner and expert players, respectively. --Moolala (talk) 17:09, 14 July 2013 (EDT) Ah, yes I forgot about that clip with the ant enemies. Thanks! User:8BrickMario

Invincibility
The invincibility can be shared by touching another player. Anyone going to add this info or is it up to me? --Shroobtimetraveller (talk) 04:43, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
 * No-one's stopping you from adding it.

SMBX Similarity
That potted Piranha Plant used to eat other Piranha Plants so reminds me of Toothy, a small holdable rainbow colored pipe with a blue Piranha Plant that can break blocks and defeat other enemies in the PC fan game Super Mario Bros. X. This just may be a common idea too.


 * Well since it's a fan game, I don't think it's worth mentioning on the article unless it's confirmed that the idea came from there. MarioComix (talk) 15:28, 21 September 2013 (EDT)

Toad clarification
So... the Blue Toad is the actual character Blue Toad? Or is it the character Toad recolored SMB2 style? I'm confused.

13:48, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

I think it's the Blue Toad The. The original Toad is one of the two Galaxy that appears in various trailers and one level of the E3 demo. --Sonic98 (talk) 14:06, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

You guys have to remember that all official sources for this game name this one Toad specifically as "TOAD". It's not Blue Toad in any of the source material naming this character, but Toad as in homage to Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad from SMB2. He is coloured blue, yes; however, do take into account that he is never referred to as Blue Toad in any official sources as well as the game itself. Heck, he even has Toad's abilities from SMB2!

Being coloured as blue to being a tribute to Toad's original NES sprite from the NES or making further differences from Mario might be a factor; however, at this moment the character is referred to as Toad. As for the toad that resembles the Toad Brigade captain - there has yet to be a name for this character yet. It's never even confirmed if he is the captain from the Toad Brigade. For official source purposes, I think it's best we name the blue toad as "Toad". - User:Pichufan93 03:06, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
 * I agree with Pichufan93 here. However, this weekend I will go and find every official source from Nintendo on this and will then bring my final judgement.
 * Both Nintendo Directs refer to him as Toad, as do the English and American official websites, the Japanese one might, but I can't get a translation for it. And seeing as those sources are probably the most reliable, I'd say it's Toad and it's a callback to SMB2 sprite which was also blue.
 * Also in the October trailer in the character select screen it says Toad rather than Blue Toad.

Bullies?
Are these things the Bullies from Super Mario 64?

http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bullies.jpg

Because you can see them on the official website and such like, and they appear to be the same species.

The only real difference seems to be the horns facing forward, which honestly makes sense seeing as how you can jump on them, so yeah, I think they are Bullies. Looking at it, I think that armor boss may also be a bully, but thats just speculation. ~Chaoxys

Stubborn Images
There are a few images that I can't save on the Japanese Official Website. Specifically the pages with "introduction" in the URL. There is a better quality stamp picture and supporting stamp pictures on the "introduction_5" page. Hopefully someone can figure out how to get them because I've tried all the tricks I know. 21:59, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Printscreen.


 * The pictures are behind text and overlap each other. It is better if the actual files can be accessed. 12:52, 2 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Is this what you wanted?
 * Picture 1
 * Picture 2
 * Picture 3
 * If you'd like anymore pictures from that website feel free to let me know. -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)


 * Thank you so much for getting those! Yes, those 3 pictures were the main pictures that I wanted to back up the Stamp page! There might be a few more images from the other "introduction" pages that would be useful as well. 18:13, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

There are a few interesting screenshots on "introduction_1" through to "introduction_4". Is it possible to get the stamp on "introduction_5"? 18:28, 5 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Yep, I'll get them for you soon. -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)


 * That would be great! 22:00, 5 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Here you are!


 * Download at Mediafire
 * View at Photobucket -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)


 * After figuring out that RAR is a ZIP type file and extracting the files, they look great! Thanks so much for doing that! 23:29, 5 October 2013 (EDT)


 * You're welcome! -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)

Purple Blocks?
From 5:05-5:11 of this trailer: it looks like there are 2 purple blocks on either sides of 2 question blocks. They sound like glass shattering, when they are hit. 22:15, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

Official Site Background Music?
Can anyone record the theme tune for the game from the Japanese official site here?

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/ardj/index.html

Because it's in the flash file, hence the only way to record it is to use one of those audio chords from one computer/system to another.

And I don't think it has any sound effects in, so it could be useful to upload.


 * I'm ripping them now.


 * 08:31, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

I uploaded it at Mediafire if anyone wants it: http://www.mediafire.com/download/d4982c8ftmnzx69/Super+Mario+3D+World+-+Intro+Tune.mp3 -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)

Those lava creatures
Could they possibly be Blarggs from Super Mario World instead of Magmaarghs? I'm not saying they are, but come on, they look a lot more like the dinosaur/dragon style Blarggs from the former than the weird lava blob monsters from the Galaxy series, and it'd go really well with the 'Super Mario World' theme this game seems to have going.

Angry Pink Blocks
Those are enemies I believe. It was shown that they hurt on contact and can be defeated with the Potted Piranha Plant. Just mentioning it since the page says that they are objects.

~Chaoxys


 * Yeah... and I suppose lava, and spikes are enemies? They hurt you as well --82.3.247.25 21:01, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Bowser's Highway
Is Bowser's Highway really confirmed to be World 1-Castle? MegaKoopa  Talk  17:48, 2 October 2013 (EDT)


 * That's what I was wondering. I guess this is one of those Super Mario Wiki traditions where they just make up crap. Like how they insisted that those things that look NOTHING like Chargin' Chucks in Super Mario Galaxy 2, were Chargin' Chucks.--82.3.247.25 20:59, 3 October 2013 (EDT)


 * I'm inclined to presume that the above comment exemplifies one of those times where anonymous users talk asinine crap.


 * 02:36, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Yes, it is confirmed in various of the new gameplay videos, specifically GameTrailer's and some reviewer on Twitter also said so. It's heavily inferred/implied too, like honestly, don't be a dick about it. -Mechawave (talk) 17:18, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

Piranhacus Giganticus or Super Piranha Plant?
How do we know the giant Piranha Plant that has the shadow is a Piranhacus Giganticus and not a Super Piranha Plant? There are "Prickly Piranha Plant with stretchy stems" underwater so it may be a Prickly Piranha Plant but that is speculation.--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

Classic Controller support?
I don't see any reference saying 3D World can be played with a Classic Controller... this is kinda weird though. Also, I'm referring to the Wii controller not the Wii U one 12:12, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Look here: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/SUPER-MARIO-3D-WORLD-765385.html on the right side under "Controller". 14:51, 3 October 2013 (EDT)

Cosmic Observatory
It is confirmed to appear in the group artwork...so shouldn't it be added to the list of locations?

If you didn't look at it hard enough you can tell that it is way far from being the Comet observatory. It is actually a circus looking place. 17:09, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

Oops I was wrong... But please be specific like it is far off in the distance. But it isn't worth mentioning since it might just be a cameo. 17:14, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
 * It is definitely worth mentioning, as it appears on the box. It being a cameo is speculation at this point, as we don't know if it will be a location in the game or just seen in the distance. For all we know, Pom Pom could be a cameo since we have no gameplay of her. -- bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Names for the Snake King and an Orange Dinosaur
Did Shigeru Miyamoto and his helpers in Nintendo give names to the Snake King, his Serpent-like Minions and the Orange Dinosaur yet? Because they have to have names. --Toonking2 (talk) 16:49, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
 * The game isn't released yet. -- bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Toad Houses confirmed
in this video http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/8l1rz5/super-mario-3d-world-gameplay-walkthrough-part-1--cam- in the minute 0:15 can be clearly seen, also get to see the path that leads to it. so it I can add Toad Houses in the article?

World 2 Castle
I heard from a YouTuber that the level Bowser's Bullet Bill Brigade is the. Castle level for World 2. This matches a lot of other details, such as that the level is dessert themed. I don't have permission to put that edt on the main page, so could someone no that for me? AegisCamera (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Has it been officially confirmed? If not, it is speculation, which is not allowed on articles. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Ok. But I do think that the level should be relabeled as a castle rather than fortress because the footage shows that there's a yellow Sprixie at the end.AegisCamera (talk) 11:38, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

World 1-5
There's a problem, according to 2 sources there are World 1-5s, the Dorrie level and the circus level. Which one is it, IGN says Dorrie level, other source says circus level.

What's the other source? I would say that IGN is definitely one of the most reliable sources out there. AegisCamera (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2013 (EDT)
 * This http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/8l1rz5/super-mario-3d-world-gameplay-walkthrough-part-1--cam- Though I heavily agree with you on IGN.

I think I figured it out. The Dorrie was World 1-5 in the beta version that was at E3. Now the circus level is 1-5, and the Dorrie level is 1-4.AegisCamera (talk) 12:02, 5 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Makes sense.

Dry Bones with With wings
So those Winged Dry Bones. . . Are they called "ParaDry-Bones"?
 * The game is not released yet, so none of the new enemies have an official name yet.

Trivia
The "trivia" about enemies making their first 3D debut in a Mario platformer is barely worth noting because it's overtly specific. With a specific tone like this, the Super Mario Galaxy article would have its trivia section cluttered with stuff such as "This is the first time 4 legged Koopa Troopas appear in a 3D Mario platformer game." Specific pieces of trivia such as the Charging Chucks making their first appearance in years is NOT trivia; it belongs RIGHT in the Charging Chuck article under the header "Super Mario 3D World", as with the rest of the characters/objects/items/whatever that made their first appearance in years. As for the trivia of Peach and Toad being playable, just look at how damn specific it is, plus the use of "mainstream" to describe "Mario platformer" as if there was some canon argument implied in there. Mario platformer articles shouldn't be exempt from this as much as putting this piece of trivia in other Mario games would make it look overly obvious and stupid. And my final point that none of these really have much to do with the game itself anyway, save this for the specific character articles specifically created for them in the first place. 15:27, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
 * The fact that Fire Bros. and Spikes, who first appeared decades ago, making their first 3D Mario game appearance, Chargin' Chucks making an appearance after about 20 years, and Peach making her first mainstream playable appearance is all trivial to SM3DW. It is not "overly specific", and even if it was, that does not defy the definition of trivia. Trivia means "Details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value". These facts are of little importance to the actual article, however, are notable enough to belong in the trivia section. If it was something like "So and so makes it's first 3D appearance after being introduced in a game 7 months ago.", that would be too small of a span to belong in the trivia. Also, your argument about Baby Luigi is both pathetic and does not relate to this. Mario Kart does not count as a "3D Game", as those would be Super Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy/Galaxy 2/3D Land/3D World. It may be 3D, but it is not considered a 3D game. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple
 * Well, how about in Super Mario Galaxy, where is the mention of Magikoopas making their first 3D appearance in a Mario game. Oh that's right, it's NOWHERE to be found in the trivia section of the article. Same with the 4-legged Koopa Troopas. There are enemies that first appeared decades ago and finally made an appearance in a game: Super Smash Bros. Melee for example has Freezies. This sort of stuff belongs in "References to Games" NOT in the trivia section of such articles. The dictionary definition of "trivia" does not apply to the section called "Trivia" in MarioWiki: the Trivia section is small information that is intuitive and interesting for viewers; usually these home Easter Eggs or other thought provoking stuff. It is NOT a place where you dump "this is the first time a random enemy appeared since several games ago". Also, why doesn't Super Mario Galaxy also cite Cheep Cheep and Bloopers making their first 3D game appearance? And you use "mainstream" as a description for 3D Mario platformers, a surefire way to lose an argument since the adjective "mainstream" implies there is a canoncity in Mario games (there isn't). Peach had been playable in Super Princess Peach before, and many other Mario games, it's just that they're not freaking "mainstream" or not a 3D Mario platformer, so they don't deserve mention. And you missed my point about Baby Luigi: Mario Kart Double Dash IS the first game that has Baby Luigi in 3D and that he's playable and has a voice, yet this is all covered in a respective section. Another example is not having trivia for Toadette's appearance in Mario Kart 8. Same thing should go for other characters. Your logic is even more flawed than mine. 19:19, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
 * I don't know why those don't appear in the trivia sections, but in my opinion they should. Also, the definition of trivia does apply to the trivia section. It is where minor, seemingly unimportant yet notable and interesting bits of information is listed. I am not dumping "this is the first time a random enemy appeared since several games ago" into trivia. Fire Bros. are a major enemy in the Mario series, and are appearing in a 3D main Mario game for the first time since they appeared 20 years ago. Like I said, it would be different for some odd enemy from a spin-off who is making a 3D appearance after a few years and one appearance. I guess, with that, Chargin' Chuck's part is debatable, however, the Fire Bro./Spike and Princess Peach parts belong. And I didn't use mainstream as a very, eh, specific word, I used it in place of main. It may have been a miss-use of the word, but I'm pretty sure you could tell that. And, going off from that, Super Princess Peach is not a Super Mario game, it's a spin-off. I didn't "miss your point", I was saying it does not relate to this. The Mario Kart games are not main games, and are not classified with the "3D Mario", which refers to 3D main games. For Princess Peach, it is the fact that she is one of the main Mario characters, and she previously was playable, however, it was 25 years ago. And she generally plays a role as the NPC damsel-in-distress, however, she is now a playable character. Toadette's appearance in MK8 is also debatable. It is her first appearance after over 5 years, but that is small compared to Chargin' Chuck's 20-ish. But, like I said, I don't think CC's necessarily belongs. Also, I fail to see how my logic is flawed. I see these points as being trivial enough for the trivia section, and I stated why, and I don't see how my reasons are that wrong, really. I honestly don't see why this is turning into an argument. Just get an admin's input or something. =/ bluereddarkorangegreenpurple
 * They're not in trivia sections because they don't belong there. It's as simple as that. This kind of stuff always gets put in the Trivia section in a game is about to be released, but then ends up getting removed later on once we found much better trivia than an appearance of an enemy, and they get moved to "References to Other Games" (which funnily enough, you still haven't grasped that). Fire Bros. are a major enemy? They appear in only a select few levels in Mario games and, as all enemies, are just an enemy you just defeat and move on. Nearly all enemies have little to no significance in Mario platformers; you just beat them and move on. And no, I wouldn't discern Fire Bro. from any old enemy: this is putting up standards for "importance" and frankly that's not correct, since these standards are opinionated at best, no matter how you look at them. Ok, maybe the Peach thing could stay, but I feel like it doesn't belong in the article since it's talking about Peach, mainly, not the game, and therefore should be mentioned in the Super Mario 3D World section of Peach's article.
 * But yes, I will bring this up to authority. 22:14, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
 * As you can tell by my contributions and user page, I'm not an active user anymore, therefore I don't keep a watchful eye on pages, meaning I don't know what is added or removed from trivia. However, from what I do remember seeing, these kinds of things are what is put in the trivia section. Also, "References to other games", from the name, doesn't apply to characters making their first 3D appearance, that would be trivia. Making their first appearance after that game (like Chargin' Chucks), is what would go there. Your point about "you just beat them and move on" is absurd. I could say the same thing about Baby Luigi and how he has no significance to the Mario Kart games, as you just race with him and win. Fire Bros. compared to some obscure enemy from a spin-off series are a major enemy, and it is notable that they are appearing in 3D for the first time. About the Peach thing, this game is the first main Mario game that Peach has been playable in for 25 years, meaning it has some importance to this article. And alright, talking to the admins (authority? :s) would be easier than to keep going back and forth. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Adding Trivia's not actually encouraged: when in doubt, leave it out. Peach's return to playable status is covered in the article (or it should be), as is Chargin' Chuck's return. As for the other two enemies, the best place for the info would be in the enemies' articles' History sections; I'd suggest removing that entry as well and incorporating the last score system and getting rid of the Trivia section entirely. That's always the ideal outcome when dealing with these sections. - 23:29, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

Well even though Peach's appearance "in a Mario platformer" may not notable (as Super Princess Peach was made before), I *do* think it's notable that this is Peach's first playable appearance in the Super Mario series since Super Mario Bros. 2 25 years ago. I don't see how that's overly specific at all, it's one of the most critical parts of the franchise. And that's not a "canon argument" as there is none, but a simple and well-supported observation. - 00:36, 27 October 2013 (EDT)

Chill Bully
Chill Bully is listed on the enemies list, but I haven't seen him or seen any evidence that he is in the game. Why is it listed then?

I know! Maybe it's because Bully is on the snow platform in the artwork, but they don't even look like each other... we need to delete that. MegaKoopa  Talk  16:28, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

I did that a few hours ago :P

Oh, right. :P  MegaKoopa   Talk  18:26, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

Super Mario 3D Land confusion
Should we also put "Not to be confused with Super Mario 3D Land" on the page? Because they both have very similar titles and some may be confused by the two I think.


 * I think that's a good idea. I'll try doing that, but if someone undoes it then I guess the answer is no. 19:47, 7 October 2013 (EDT)

Video/Image Evidence
Here is a quote from the article:
 * "A level with Boom Boom and Pom Pom on a train consisting of a Bullet Bill steam engine and flatbed cars."


 * Can someone give me proof of this level? I know the train appears on the group artwork but does it appear anywhere else? User:Sergeant Guy


 * Not to my knowledge. Someone has simply assumed that the Bullet Bill train with Boom and Pom riding atop would consist as a level. It should be removed until details are confirmed, because for all we know, it could be a recurring thing.


 * 01:14, 9 October 2013 (EDT)


 * So wait, should "A brightly-lit Bowser amusement park." also be removed from the level list? It also appears on the full group artwork.--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

Just to clarfiy, the information was added back to the article (by someone else) because the kevel was confirmed in the six minute ganeplay trailer.--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 11:55, 26 October 2013 (EDT)

Comet Observatory Reference
The references to Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 states that something of similar appearance to the Comet Observatory appears in the group artwork. I think this is pretty clear that it is the Comet Observatory. It is not just similar, it's identical down to the location of each dome, and the structure of the pointed tips. Shouldn't it be changed to specify that it is, in fact the Comet Observatory? Like I said, I don't think there's any arguing that it isn't at this point. Mariofanatic64
 * Eh, this is coming from the same wiki where Yoshi and Waluigi aren't "confirmed" to be playable even when appearing on the boxart and being so blatantly obvious they'll be playable 00:57, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Actually, due to recent video evidence they are now confirmed, and your point has been made on the page now.
 * The only reason they were removed from the Playable section is because there was no actual evidence of being playable. I had no doubts that they would, but it was still speculation. And like Yoshi876 said, they are confirmed now. Also, being on the boxart doesn't mean they will be playable. Take Rosalina for example. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple
 * Yoshi and Waluigi are ---ing Yoshi and ---ing Waluigi who had been perfect attendees if they appear on a Mario spin-off boxart. Please don't compare them to Rosalina. But let's stop with the further digression 19:04, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Okay, just noting this here, I'm not trying to argue. I had enough of that with you before. :P But, anyway, like I said, I had absolutely no doubts they would be playable, and would be genuinely surprised if they weren't. But them being Waluigi and Yoshi wasn't enough evidence to say they are playable. And I was comparing them to Rosalina because of the fact she appeared on the box art, and wasn't playable, and you had mentioned being on the box art for W and Y. bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Sprixies or Sprixie Princesses?
I thought I remember hearing in a video that players need to rescue 1 Sprixie Princess in each world. I thought it was on the last level of each world, that they would be rescued. 13:46, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Here's the video I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdyNsffcIg Look at 0:50 of this video. 14:44, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Since all the Sprixie pictures, we have, are wearing Tiaras/Crowns wouldn't it be a good idea to merge the Sprixie Princess and Sprixie pages together (or at least move some of the Sprixies to the Princess page)? 12:12, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

Shell Mario?
Was it ever confirmed that that is indeed the shell power up? I'm only asking because it could also be an added ability from the boomerang power up since if I remember correctly, that power up had you wearing a shell also. I mean heck, on the levels section it says something about a "beach level with blue shells". Maybe I missed that picture, but I don't remember seeing a blue shell. Again, not saying that it won't return, but it probably shouldn't go on the page until it's 100% confirmed since, like I said, it could be a new feature to the Boomerang power up. ~Chaoxys
 * As I said in an edit summary, the Boomerang Shell is different than a regular shell. Boomerang Shells have white ridges. The shell in the picture does not.
 * It could be the blue shell but it's also possible that it is just possible to steal the shell from a Koopa like in SM64 (because you can also see a Beach Koopa on mentioned screenshot and I think another one too not sure) so I wouldn't add blue shell to the main article yet (my mistake with the beach stage sry) -Nwolf ♪

Comet Observatory Close-up
I found this over at N3DS Community:

Pokebub (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2013 (EDT)


 * We already had it.


 * 20:53, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

Mii's Playable?


So, a new trailer shows Mario and 3 Mii's running through a course. Does this mean they are playable or are they simply just some sort of Time Trial ghosts?
 * For starters, there's no icon of them next to Mario's lives, so they're probably not playable 23:37, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Yeah, your probably right. They are most likely some sort of Time Trial ghost or something like that.

New Levels
I can't edit the main article, so here's gameplay footage from IGN of new 3D World levels:

World 2-1 Conkdor Canyon http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/24/super-mario-3d-world-world-2-1-conkdor-canyon-gameplay World 1-1 Super Bell Hill http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/24/super-mario-3d-world-world-1-1-super-bell-hill-gameplay World 3-1 Snowball Park http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/24/super-mario-3d-world-world-3-1-snowball-park-gameplay World 1-5 Switch Scramble http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/24/super-mario-3d-world-world-1-5-switch-scramble-gameplay

Also, new level names: World 3-4 Pretty Plaza Panic, World 3-A Magikoopa Blockage, and World 3-7 Switchboard Falls.

Lots of new official art
http://nintendoeverything.com/new-super-mario-3d-world-art/ Lots of enemy profile images or whatever you want to call them, among other things. I don't see anything thats actually new, but the images themselves could probably go in the gallery.

EDIT- I take back what I said about there being no new info on this. If you look at the picture that shows various stamps, you can see what appears to be a new enemy/friend in the top right corner. Seems to be some sort of tadpole. ~Chaoxys

Possible enemy
I was watching the GamXplain discussion and noticed these, I've circled them in this imgur image http://imgur.com/uTGvF4A Also in the trailer there is one near a Koopa Troopa that is killed and I believe it gives a coin. Is it a new enemy?

Probably just a Crab. It even moves the same.


 * Scratch that, I think they're Sidesteppers. Got mixed up between the two.
 * Don't all crabs "side-step" though? I had a pet fiddler crab (RIP : who moved side-to-side. PTR (talk) 13:37, 27 October 2013 (EDT)
 * Nearly certain they all do, although double-checking both articles, I may just mean plain old Crabs rather than Sidesteppers. I don't even know any more.

Stamps suggest another playable character: Rosalina
Acordng to a Brazilian page, some unknow stamps can recorganize that Rosalina appears at Super Mario 3D World: http://www.reinodocogumelo.com/2013/10/estampas-de-super-mario-3d-world.html Translating ... "A photo taken from a video of gameplay suggests that Super Mario 3D World will be a fifth playable character . The image itself is related to many stamps that can be found in the game, forming a collection of themed stamps for players adorn your posts on the social network Miiverse . Initially, eight of stamps this photo seemed to be related to characters unpublished , and were circulated with the colors yellow and purple, as you can see below." i and 3 are rosalina 1 is a icon 2 is mini rosalina or sprixe 3 is rosalina with 2 luma and 4 a myesterious icon not captain bridge toad http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zhzBzjp7HBg/Um00VSLlX3I/AAAAAAAAdAo/qJcq-iPqjok/s1600/mario_3d_world_rosalina_speculation-1.jpg

"Analyzing in more detail the picture above, it was concluded that four of these stamps - circled in yellow - belong to the icons of the four characters seleconáveis ​​Super Mario 3D World : Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad . However , the prints circled in purple still remained a mystery. SPOILERS rosalina is confirmed Walushyguy (talk) 17:25, 16 November 2013 (EST) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jo3TxqBNJ3g/Um004Q06pFI/AAAAAAAAdAw/YP6KKdw_Rhk/s1600/mario_3d_world_rosalina_speculation-2.jpg

"Looking straight for these stamps, the hypothesis that they may represent Rosalina, the beautiful guardian of the Comet Observatory, from the game Super Mario Galaxy (Wii), is big. Below you can check more closely these stamps, and repair in the presence of the Lumas in one (number 3), and an object very similar to wand Rosalina in another (number 2)."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j_ulNi3Q1Zk/Um02B7lwsVI/AAAAAAAAdA8/ESyeRCmLhBQ/s1600/mario_3d_world_rosalina_speculation-3.jpg

"Remember, the Comet Observatory has been sighted in recent art from Super Mario 3D World, which reinforces the theory that Rosalina must be present in the game, even if not as a playable character. What do you think of the idea, the reader (a)? Comment."

In my opinion (BlooP-OW), looking to the 3rd picture, the number 1 and 3 are Rosalina. The number 2 is some Sprixie Princess and number 4 can be Toad Brigade Captain. --BlooP-OW (talk) 13:48, 27 October 2013 (EDT)
 * This is most likely speculation-I believe Rosalina is going to be an NPC, no more. 14:42, 27 October 2013 (EDT)


 * I think the 1st one is Rosalina's icon and 2nd is Small Rosalina. Sprixies' dresses have zigzagged end. KoopaTroopa!.png MegaKoopa   Talk  17:49, 27 October 2013 (EDT)

The fourth stamp is not Captain Toad's. His icon different. All that I can say is that the fourth stamp is a mystery. http://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/dc/SM3DWtower.png

--Holyromanemperortatan (talk) 22:45, 27 October 2013 (EDT) ok look rosalina is playable but you need to unlock her nintendo confirmed it already about 3 days ago Walushyguy (talk) 06:14, 16 November 2013 (EST)
 * I am currently trying to complete a picture of the Stamp Collection with the various stamps included. 18:42, 28 October 2013 (EDT)

number 1 is rosalina icon number 2 is a sprixe or rosalina number 3 is rosalina and number 4 a mysterious icon not the captain bridge toadWalushyguy (talk) 06:08, 12 November 2013 (EST)

the stamp number 4,yes is the icon of the toad brigade captain, i take a capture to a gamexplain video where you see the gameplay of Captain toad.



Today's Nintendo Direct just confirmed that Rosalina is a playable character! 11:35, 13 November 2013 (EST)

Yellow Toad?
On the "Other Characters" part of the page, it says that theres a Yellow Toad. Is it confirmed that he'll be returning? If so, can anybody post a picture with him in it?

had already placed a link that confirming it, but here's the picture, Yellow Toad manages the Toad Houses.

Tadpole enemy/character
Just mentioning, there is a character resembling a tadpole under ice skating Mario, near a Super Leaf and a block (top left corner) in the stamp collection artwork. MegaKoopa  Talk  17:51, 29 October 2013 (EDT)

Happy HalloweenWalushyguy (talk) 06:07, 12 November 2013 (EST)

Princess Daisy possibly appearance??
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zhzBzjp7HBg/Um00VSLlX3I/AAAAAAAAdAo/qJcq-iPqjok/s1600/mario_3d_world_rosalina_speculation-1.jpg

Yeah!!Look at the bottom right corner,below the stamp of little mario running o.O That looks like DAISY!!! -- User:Ashley anEoTselkie 19:43, 29 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Fire Peach
 * All of this is speculation, we don't allow this until it is officially confirmed


 * It's not Daisy. Look at my on-going stamp collecting picture: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PJtKBGUEyFU/UnBSJzFDmVI/AAAAAAAACSQ/n_ymuKQqvwE/w702-h422-no/stamp-collection.png

It is clearly Fire Princess Peach, holding a Fire Ball in her hand. 20:29, 29 October 2013 (EDT)

Stamps
I found a video in youtube,that has a stamp collection more complete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fVFRjBvhkE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-fVFRjBvhkE

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 06:38, 2 November 2013 (EDT)


 * If I have the time I'll look at it. I'll also try to complete the picture that I've been working on. 11:32, 2 November 2013 (EDT)

About Rosalina...
Look this image:

http://i.imgur.com/oCQ02h0.png

Looks like that has 2 stamps of cat peach,or maybe the not unlocked stamp is Cat Rosie????Could be,but it.s only speculation.

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 15:09, 3 November 2013 (EST)

Today's Nintendo Direct just confirmed that Rosalina is a playable character! 11:36, 13 November 2013 (EST) SPOILERS rosaliana to unlock her you need to beat the game Walushyguy (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2013 (EST) i will be back soon in about 6 hours so byeWalushyguy (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2013 (EST) you need to beat the game once to unlock rosalinaWalushyguy (talk) 11:20, 17 November 2013 (EST) Rosie is confirmed in this game, I have it, and I have almost completed it on one of my files. The Fourth Circled one IS Captain Toad, I don't know why people fought against that possibility. ~BookAxeCake
 * It's not wise to reply to 2 months old comments. 23:25, 19 January 2014 (EST)

In
reply to Arend, the Yoshi/Dorrie cross looking like a Pi'illo is called Plessie. Also, there is a reply to About Rosalina... is right: "Rosie with Lumas". Unshy Guy (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2013 (EST)

Thanks Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  11:18, 6 November 2013 (EST)

Heave Ho?
the enemy that can be seen in the background below the Green Star, has a design very similar to that of Super Mario 64 DS in fact the only thing that changes is that this is green color instead of red.




 * I wish there are more pictures so we can see its sides. What could look like a panel may perhaps be its body. 23:05, 6 November 2013 (EST)

see this video they appear in the minute 1:48


 * They certainly don't act like Heave-Hos. In the video, they have legs and are hopping like frogs. That "panel" like thing is where its legs are. It's safe to assume that it is rather a new enemy. 23:21, 6 November 2013 (EST)

Nintendo Japan Update
The Japanese site has updated and has new stuff such as Tanooki Mario and Boomerang Mario artwork somebody please add them in the gallery.


 * We could have a link...? Oh, yes, I see the artwork. But... how can I get it? It's a flash page, so good old-fashioned right clicking and saving it won't cut it. 00:01, 7 November 2013 (EST)

I got some artworks from this site,but has a low quality.Look:



Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 10:58, 7 November 2013 (EST)


 * Don't worry! Some users are skilled in getting the images that aren't on the Wiki yet. There are only a few new images. 14:09, 7 November 2013 (EST)


 * Not sure if this is what you wanted, but here. -- SuperPiz zaLuigi   (talk)

Rock Power-Up??
In the Japanese Commercial it showed off quite a bit of new things. One thing I did spot was during the clip with the Rock boss, there was a boulder that hit the rock boss and no sign of either of the 4 characters. Is it a new power-up, the rock mushroom returning or something like the Boxes or Shell where you can hide in it? This is the commercial I am referring to at around 1:30. 09:08, 7 November 2013 (EST)

I don't know ,but i think that the rock power up is returning Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  09:30, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Not,actually is Fire Peach with a Big Rock

Fire Peach artwork
I was looking at the back of the Prima Guide of this gams,i notice that has a Fire Peach Artwork,can Anyone get this??? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 10:50, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Here:

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 16:47, 7 November 2013 (EST)


 * Here you go.


 * 10:10, 8 November 2013 (EST)

Oh,looks perfect!!!Thanks! How do you did it???? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 10:54, 8 November 2013 (EST)


 * Grit, spit, and a whole lot of duct tape.


 * 11:02, 8 November 2013 (EST)
 * Or, you know, it was released with a bunch of other official artwork the other day. -- bluereddarkorangegreenpurple

Classical Artwork Mention?
On neither this, nor the 3D land page is their mention of this game's use of traditional artwork (As in, the promotional 2D artwork/Photograph cutscenes) as done by the original artist. (We had a page for him on here, but it's not listed in the staff category and I forget his name, so I can't add the info.) Is it not a noteworthy bit of information, even for the trivia section?

What page?? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 18:09, 8 November 2013 (EST)

New screenshots/enemies
http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/08/super-mario-3d-world-screens-show-colorful-environments/

Sorry if someone already brought all this up.

~Chaoxys

Special Bosses?
I checked that the giant, metallic clown; the Bully in a suit of armor; and the giant purple snakelike creature with a king outfit bosses have only one Green Star in their levels. Are they possibly some kind of special bosses? Bosses from some kind of special world, like SM3DL? Check on this picture and those videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnInWnRCTKk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKwpnmKwqkM, http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Shiny_Clown_Screenshot_-_Super_Mario_3D_World.png. --BlooP-OW (talk) 15:31, 11 November 2013 (EST)BlooP-OW (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2013 (EST)

About the phrase: "The new Super Bell"
I don't know,but in my country(like in the Spain),if we say the new super bell ,we will know it as the new.version of tje super bell.It's not better say:The Super Bell,a new power up? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 15:44, 9 November 2013 (EST)


 * To avoid ambiguity, it is better to say the Super Bell as a new power up rather than a new Super Bell. As you said, it can be interpreted as a new version of the Super Bell or as the Super Bell's being new. 15:41, 9 November 2013 (EST)

World 4
IGN just released a new video. World 4 is some kind of rocky island. I can't find the link though. Help please?AegisCamera (talk) 19:10, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Bowser Statue World 3
Look at 16:41 where Level 2-2 should be. Is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?  AegisCamera (talk) 21:39, 11 November 2013 (EST)


 * And what would that be that your thinking of? All I can think of is that it is possibly like a challenge to the level like the special levels in 3D land or the comets from galaxy 1/2. 21:45, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Not quite my idea. Since that Bowser statue is directly where World 2-2 should be, my guess is that World 2-1 has a secret exit, and that 2-2 will only be unlocked when that exit is found. If that's true, then that Bowser statue in World 3 is really another level unlocked via a secret exit.AegisCamera (talk) 22:06, 11 November 2013 (EST) tommorow ROSALINA WILL be confirmed for you guys Walushyguy (talk) 17:30, 16 November 2013 (EST)

10 new things...AND ROSALINA
I was right,after all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlWL04VsNp0&feature=player_embedded&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DHlWL04VsNp0

It is the last thing Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  15:17, 13 November 2013 (EST) Man Nintendo is good at hiding characters and yes Rosalina is playable

Here,Tanooki Rosie:

http://gematsu.com/gallery/super-mario-3d-world/november-13-2013/Super-Mario-3D-World_2013_11-13-13_002.jpg.php

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 17:12, 13 November 2013 (EST)

OST will be in Japan's Club Nintendo
And the cover shows Rosalina in a black Cat Suit. Platitudinous (talk) 09:36, 14 November 2013 (EST) oh man i wanted white but its is black WAHAHAHAHA 11:26, 17 November 2013 (EST) sorry forget to sign Walushyguy (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Some new info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpOlaiHWMMg#t=76

Around a minute in, Mario turns into one of those lucky cat statues which also causes enemies to die on contact. I may be wrong but I don't believe that this a normal ability from the normal Super Bell. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it's some sort of post game upgraded version, like the statue leaf.

Also, just a side note, but the top down shooter, based on the music that plays, seems to be from the post game world(s).

Double Cherry clones can be changed to different characters in multiplayer, another character simply has to ground pound on another character's clone.

~Chaoxys can we put in new items statue cat bell Walushyguy (talk) 11:28, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Luigi Bros.
Will there be a new page created for Luigi Bros., or will it be part of a different page, such as this one or Mario Bros.?
 * It seems to be a sub-mode, so unless there is more depth, it can fit here. Super Duel mode is in the Mario Party 5 article... 17:22, 14 November 2013 (EST)

World 1's Fortress name
After watching IGN's review video, it revealed the name of the 1st fortress as "Fort Fire Bros".--Nin3DSFan (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2013 (EST)

Item Stock
Should it be noted that when playing Multiplayer makes the Item Stock Expands by 1 When there are 2 Or More players Present in The Game? --A Wikiguest

See It
Looks like special gadgets about the Cat form

http://www.google.com.br/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=W4OHUumPJZPpkQf414CgDA&q=fire%09Super+mario+3d+world&oq=fire%09Super+mario+3d+world&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..30i10.76709.89157.0.89961.32.24.0.0.0.0.490.1261.3-1j2.3.0....0...1c.1.31.mobile-gws-serp..29.3.1255.7K0CN1Gn_sQ#biv=i%7C195%3Bd%7CNHAie_2HtHxe8M%3A

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 09:51, 16 November 2013 (EST)

Fire Rosalina
I read at Fire Mario,that Rosalina uses hairband in fire form,uses too a ponytail,and the details of her dress turn into red.Anyone have a image to comprove this???? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 09:58, 16 November 2013 (EST)

It's most likely information gotten from this video: It had a whole bunch of Rosalina gameplay, I've heard. Problem is, the video's private now because it was too early to be revealed or something, so it can't be sourced unless that footage is elsewhere. I haven't even watched it myself because of that.

I know you can't go off of a single person's word but I did see the video and I can confirm that she does get a hairband and that her dress does turn red. It also has white around the edges so she has what looks like a Santa Claus thing going on.

~Chaoxys

Can you get an image?

Images,here:

Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 17:30, 21 November 2013 (EST)

World 9
Firstly, what the hell? Where in the source is 'World 9' even mentioned, let alone it being called 'Star World'? Secondly, why the hell are you using freaking GameFAQs as a source?--Nin3DSFan (talk) 23:15, 16 November 2013 (EST)

The first comment says World 9. It is right on the Top, it even includes Star World as the name. 00:30, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Sorry.I look it and I think that was true.In the next page says "Star World".Gamespot forums says the same thing.

I read the first post, but my second point still stands. You're using a post on a message board by some random person as a source? Why not just use "Your friend at school who claims to have an uncle who works at Nintendo?" as a source? That's just as reliable. Also GameFAQs IS GameSpot. They are the SAME message board. If I post on GameFAQs, it appears on GameSpot.--Nin3DSFan (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2013 (EST)

World 3B?
OK, what the hell? NEITHER source shows the name of World 3B as being what you claim it to be called.--Nin3DSFan (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Hisstocrat
I know he is listed as a boss for World 3, but I'm a bit confused because The level it is in is not a developed castle level, with only one green star. Since World 1 and World 2 both had castle's with three stars, I think its safe to guess that it, like the Motley Boss Blob is not a castle boss, but a part of its own individual level. Its out there, but that's what I think, and that could be why its only listed as World 3-B instead of World-Castle.AegisCamera (talk) 21:15, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Stuff we could add to the article
Beta Elements:Staff:Glitches:Reception

--NJE 13:50, 19 November 2013 (EST)Nickicksbutt7

The beta elements and glitches are unknown at the moment, they'll be added when they're discovered.
 * We can add reception, but it's better to wait until the game is released, as there are some leaked videos that Nintendo is trying to hide. 14:45, 19 November 2013 (EST)

A beta thing:The captain toad icon,a picture in gamexplain has a different icon.But in the videos is another one. Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )

Um...
...can someone put this link in the "references" section?



Whoops!

Seen this?
This guide has a ton of information on the name of levels, enemies and bosses and what is in each level from world 1-6 http://www.gamesradar.com/super-mario-3d-world-green-star-and-stamp-locations-guide/

Question
I thought that Bowser would be fought again in World 7, not World 6 --NJE 12:00, 20 November 2013 (EST)Nickicksbutt7

New Enemy Names
this confirms almost every new enemy's name in the game except for the tadpoles in Bowser's levels and the snakes that assist the Hisstocrat couple. For example, the Tox Box and Rhomp combination is called a Grumblump, the Blarggs in this game are called Charvaarghs, the propellor thing in Bowser's train is called a Flopter, the orange fish in the Plessie levels are called Splounders, the mice are called Skipsqueaks, the rock boss is actually Boss Brolder, the final boss is Meowser, the flying Dry Bones are called Parabones, the toy blocks are Block-steppers, the Wallop-like enemies are Walleyes, etc.

What about the Snake like enemies resembling Cobrats? --Toonking2 (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2013 (EST)

I just noticed something
The color of each world's ground seems to match the color of the Sprixie kidnapped there!

Right!!!The first is to the Sprixie Princess,green grass. The 2nd is a desert,yellow sands to the yellow sprixies. And the others as well.

I think that this could be add to the trivia. Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 09:08, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Part of me thinks that this was supposed to happen.

Toads
So Blue Toad is playable, Toad has his own levels and Yellow Toad manages the Toad Houses. On the Supporting Characters part, it says there are the Toad species. Can somebody post a picture or send me a link confirming it?

in this video at least 3 toads (brigade captain, yellow and PURPLE) can be seen at 0:24 minutes.

When ths game is beated,Green Toad alongside Purple Toad and Yellow Toad makes a cameo during the credits.Search at youtube:30 minutes of gameplay SECRET CHARCTER(video by Nimtendomination)and see the final minutes of it. Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 15:02, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Green Toad
It says on the Supporting Characters that there's Yellow Toad. I'm guessing the only reason he's there is because he manages Toad Houses. However, on World 3, Green Toad manages the Toad House instead. Should be add him to the list, too?
 * Yes, we should. 17:54, 24 November 2013 (EST)

Mistake?
It says Rosalina has a high jump but with no traction. Shouldn't it say the opposite? No traction would mean that she would slide. Otherwise, no traction should be moved to her disadvantages. --PrincessWaffle (talk) 9:23, 24 November 2013 (EDT)

Miis
There needs to be more information on this article talking about them. 12:14, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Stamps Page
There should really be a page for ALL the stamps. Can anyone make one?--Mariobro101 (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Stamp (Super Mario 3D World) 19:42, 25 November 2013 (EST)


 * I have all the Stamps from Worlds 1-3. I've uploaded World 1 & 2's Stamps and I will upload World 3's Stamps soon. 22:24, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Snakelike Enemies
About the snakelike enemies resembling Cobrats working for Hisstocat, do they have names?--Toonking2 (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2013 (EST)

Stamp Collection (81 stamps)


Here's my Stamp Collection. I'm missing a few though, but once I beat the other levels with every character I'll post the complete collection. Feel free to put this picture wherever it needs to be posted.


 * Here's a picture of a completed Stamp Collection I just uploaded: SM3DW-AllStamps.jpg 10:59, 3 December 2013 (EST)
 * Well, congratulations, considering the grueling requirements you have to meet to get the last five stamps! Thanks so much! 14:08, 3 December 2013 (EST)

Transformations
The section: Transformations, doesn't need Proppeller Box, Cannon Box and Light box????

And the info of "Starman mario picture " is from NSMB2 but is reused in this game. This shouldn't be added at gallery

Hisstocrat's Snakes
Do those snakelike species have a name for them? --Toonking2 (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Confusion with new enemie's names
I think there is a mistake with new enemie's names. Splounders are the fish-like enemies found in Plessie's levels. Blurkers are the pink eyed boxes that appear at Shadow-Play Alley. I'm saying it because at Plessie's Plunging Falls page, the enemies named there are the Blurkers, but they are nammed Splounders http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii-u/718915-super-mario-3d-world/faqs/68329 --BlooP-OW (talk) 09:42, 9 December 2013 (EST)
 * Sighs* The Snakelike minions of Hisstocat don't have names do they, BlooP-OW? because the Mario creature called a "Snake"? Real snakes aren't supposed to be bigger than a Python or Anaconda unless your talking about Cobrats. It just don't make any sense. --Toonking2 (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2013 (EST)
 * But this is off-topic. I don't know where the writer of the FAQ got that information, but I'll change it to reflect what you said anyway. 18:44, 10 December 2013 (EST)

Completed Stamp Collection!


It took quite a while to get all 85 Stamps, but I did it! So, uh... here! Do stuff with it.


 * This file was already uploaded to the site:
 * [[File:SM3DW-AllStamps.jpg]]
 * However, your image is bigger and should replace the image that I uploaded. 01:59, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Do we really need an unlocking criteria for characters?
I mean, Rosalina is the only unlockable character, so what's the point?

We still gotta know how to unlock her, don't we? If there's any issue here, it's one of semantics. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 01:16, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Can't Rosalina's unlocking criteria be mentioned right after her abilities?

Yeah,Rosalina is the only unlockable,but there is Captain Toad.He is only playable in "The adventures of Captain Toad" Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  09:45, 25 December 2013 (EST)

Plus they already are??? The character table's got everything. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 10:40, 25 December 2013 (EST)

Some suits sreeenshots
We can (well,I can't), take screenshots fron this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iekv3ITheYQ& That shows some character suits.It is lacking: White Tanooki,Golden Statue,Light Box and Propeller box. Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 19:33, 25 December 2013 (EST)

World Crown
Is there a certain thing you have to do to unlock World Crown? If so, it should be stated because I have the game and I defeated World Flower but nothing happened to advance the game. Also, the prima guide does not state anything about it. --Poponana2 (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2013 (EST)

You need to have all green stars (i think that ate 342 green stars) Good Lucj,you will need :P Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  13:31, 1 January 2014 (EST)

.ok thanks. should this be added to world crown in its section?--Poponana2 (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Ah,I forgot a detail,you will need to find all stamps from past stages too. It is really hard Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  21:38, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Ok well should this be added to the article?--Poponana2 (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Rosalina Stamp
There is a Rosalina stamp that shows her sitting in a chair reading a book to lumas. I remember this happening in SMG2 and we have a screenshot of it on her page. Should this be added to the trivia section?--Poponana2 (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2013 (EST)

If you are talking about this image, then it doesn't need to be added to the Trivia Section. It has already been added to the Stamp (Super Mario 3D World) page. It doesn't need special attention. 20:19, 31 December 2013 (EST)

ok sorry--Poponana2 (talk) 17:42, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Princess Peach
Is it safe to say that Super Mario 3D World is the second game to feature Peach being able to defend herself (i.e, she is able to beat Bowser in solo mode/single player)? First being Super Princess Peach where she defeats Bowser and rescues Mario and Co.--174.6.134.128 17:43, 1 January 2014 (EST)

what about super mario bros. 2? --Poponana2 (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2014 (EST)


 * That's mainly targeted for the Princess Peach article itself, where it is already mentioned. --M. C. - Profile | Talk Page 21:03, 1 January 2014 (EST)


 * It's not the second game. Think about Mario spinoffs. 21:07, 1 January 2014 (EST)

Power-ups, SMB3, and the Sole item on our Trivia list
So I came on Super Mario Wiki today and I look in the "Did You Know" section like always, and Super Mario 3D World was featured. Apparently, this game has a whopping 17 power-ups, and it also says, "compared to Super Mario Bros. 3's 9 Power Ups". But it also is counting the power ups that aren't really power-ups, like the Coin Box and the Piranha Plant. HOWEVER, even if you don't count these, it still beats Mario 3's 9 Power-ups. But is there a game that beat Mario 3 besides this one? If not, I'd like to add this to the trivia. Thanks for reading! :D --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2014 (EST)
 * Coin Box and Piranha Plant aren't really powerups traditionally, but I think they're similar to, say, Kuribo's Shoe. Or those items from Kirby's Return to Dream Land that are usable cannons and protective instrument-things. The Coin Box functions similarly to the Propeller Box, but it's more of an award than something you need to get to places. Super Mario Galaxy 2 probably has more powerups, especially if you count Yoshi's powerups, though, so that's worth considering. 23:54, 4 January 2014 (EST)
 * Yup, I just counted and SMG2 does indeed have 11 Power-ups (including Yoshi's) compared to SM3DW's 10 (non-boxed or potted) power-ups. Still, why mention SMB3? --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 00:17, 5 January 2014 (EST)
 * I suppose that it's a traditional Mario platformer with the most powerups at the time. Either that, or it's well-known for having many powerups, so having more than Super Mario Bros. 3 is an achievement? 00:19, 5 January 2014 (EST)
 * Good point --TheMaskedMeowth (talk) 00:23, 5 January 2014 (EST)

Rosalina
Should this be marked as a goof? Despite being able to generate a force field, Rosalina still takes damage as a playable character.--96.49.137.125 00:17, 7 January 2014 (EST)


 * Aside from still being able to fall into pits, she'd be broken otherwise, so no, deliberate choice on the designers' part. :U Lord Grammaticus (talk) 18:46, 7 January 2014 (EST)

Character Chart
Isn't better we use icons like that instead of artworks? Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) 16:48, 7 January 2014 (EST)
 * I think it looks better 18:31, 7 January 2014 (EST)
 * I'm too, the problen is that I have only Peach's,Rosalina's and Toad's icon. We Will need Mario, Luigi and Captain Toad icon. Ah, andmaybe crop the color background that I did AshleySmooth.png Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk ) Ashley WarioWare Touched.png 18:59, 7 January 2014 (EST)
 * Cropping the background color doesn't look hard to do. If either my sister and I can find the time, we'll do it. 19:02, 7 January 2014 (EST)

What is the source of the images?

19:53, 7 January 2014 (EST)

I don't want to replace the artworks in the character chart because each character are demonstrating their power (and in Mario's case, it's in conjunction with the back box design). The sources, as long as it's from a screenshot or taken from a non-fanon site, should be irrelevant. 20:23, 7 January 2014 (EST)

I crop from screenshots....Ah and I didn't know what source put for crops Ashley anEoTselkie ( Talk )  05:57, 8 January 2014 (EST)

Character Chart/Table
DELETED BY PROPOSER

Replace character artworks with these icons on the character table?

Proposer: Deadline: February 01, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Oppose

 * 1) They look better for the gallery.
 * 2) - Per above.
 * 3) As I said, each artwork demonstrates the characters' abilities. Toad is running, Luigi is jumping, Rosalina is spinning, Peach is floating, and Mario is... eh....making a stupid-looking face. It also corresponds to the back of the box's design (hence why the Mario artwork is chosen instead). I don't really want to change it for both of these reasons.
 * 4) If the quality for each image was more equal, then I'd think about it, but even so, Per Mario's reason.
 * 5) Per Mario.

Comments
Alternatively if they were to be added, couldn't an extra column on the table for their respective icons work instead?
 * Maybe, the problem is that I don't know how to do a new column.
 * Nobody said you had to do it.
 * I will delete this proposal.Ah and you can't use ypur sig on a proposal :)

This doesn't even warrant a proposal, IMO. If you have a good reason to replace the icons, then just do it. Be bold. I'd do it immediately if it weren't for this proposal, and try finding a reasonable reason in my edit summary. 13:44, 18 January 2014 (EST)

Black or navy blue?
Half the gamers I surveyed claim that Rosalina is a black cat. But half claim she's navy blue. Which color is it? I need to confirm this with you Mario series experts so I can finally end the cat color argument on YouTube, because its starting to confuse me. From what I observed, the gamers on both halfs of my survey sheets might have a few points.--174.6.134.128 08:15, 26 March 2014 (EDT)

Her cat color is Navy Blue, so do not listen to the people who say it is black. Want Proof? See this picture:



Does that clear it up?
 * Isn't that Black?Princess Rosaluma (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
 * It looks like they might be following the comic book tradition of using dark blue (for visibility purposes) on characters that are technically supposed to be black, like Nightcrawler or the Beast (which later got retconned into them actually being blue, despite the original intent). None of which has much to do with this game, I admit, but it might be why there's controversy over what color this kitty is. 98.243.94.83 20:35, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

Played around with my screen brightness, it could be considered a very very dark blue, but it could also be a light black and not pitch black, but on a normal screens brightness settings it does look black. - Cubeguy(talk)

Hellvalleyskytrees?
I heard somewhere that the Hellvalleyskytrees appear on a Clear Pipe Cannon in the Great Tower of Bowser Land. Is that true? If so, could someone post a picture?


 * I shall look into it. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * It might help if the location of where they should be might help alot actually. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)

About 8-bit Luigi in "references"
He don't appears just seen swimming in the background in Bowser's Highway Showdown. He appears in any levels (can pop out from ? block, appears in Bob-ombs Below underground in the black part after gets the first green star, on the ground near of the orange box (up-right) in Honeycomb Starway and it rains in Pretty Plaza Panic or Cakewalk Flip, I don't remember and in the start of Koopa Troopa Cave in the climb's wall very down to the right (GamePad required)). He references more about the year of Luigi rather than Super Mario Bros.

109.213.190.196 06:26, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina in character section
The star world linked to for unlocking her goes to the wrong game's star world.98.243.94.83