Template talk:Rewrite-expand

These templates are a bit big, aren't they? I'd say we remove the line which says: "Please remove this template once or when the article has been expanded." It seems pretty useless to me. I'd rather have a more clear article layout, with less space taken up by the notifier templates. They could all be smoothed a bit and have less bright colors. - 15:41, 27 November 2007 (EST)
 * Go ahead. I used that Please... line on one template and it was copied over to all of them. 15:53, 27 November 2007 (EST)

image
could we put an image here? it looks boring without one.
 * I'll point out that there are currently only two notice templates with images on them. Besides, adding an image just looks weird. GreenDisaster 18:47, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

New Template Design!
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Why
This template is very confusing to work with. The reason needs a "reason=" in the summary, with the date it was added (which is also redundant to the page history) being prioritized over it. Worse yet, the reason isn't in a parenthesis like literally every other notice template here, potentially confusing editors. This template needs a rewrite, desperately. 23:28, September 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * What would you suggest it looks like, then? 23:42, September 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * Why not, instead of "rewritten or expanded to...", it could be "rewritten or expanded. (Specifics:reason)" The parameters would be "tagged=day" and "*blank*", as is standard form for notice templates. Heck, why not even remove "tagged=" completely? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this template. 23:46, September 25, 2019 (EDT)

Make an Expand template
Lately I've been seeing pages with the rewrite-expand template that don't need rewriting, so I think that we should still keep the rewrite-expand template, but create a new one, used on articles that have enough information to not be a stub but need more information on certain subjects. It will look like this:  It has been requested that this be expanded to include more information

Proposer: Deadline: August 26, at 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) This just seems redundant to me.
 * 2) Per Waluigi Time.
 * 3) just replace the rewrite expands with stub templates.
 * 4) per all.

Comments
Can someone fix the technical aspects of the expand template? I'm not really good with this. 00:23, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * I remember this being proposed before. It's essentially the same thing as . 00:24, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * No, this template is for when an article has more information, but is missing some specifics. 00:29, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that's what stub means. 00:30, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * You mean section stubs. 00:32, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * Either one. Stub means there is information available, but no one has added it yet and the page needs expanded. Rewrite means the current information needs to be rewritten to be clearer. Rewrite-expand is a combination of both. The stub template doesn't have a parameter for a reason, however, as the template covers any missing information in general. 00:38, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * "Stub" isn't "missing some information," it's "missing way too much information to sustain itself." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * Doc is right. Let's say this template is for articles that need more information, but stubs are for articles/sections that are short, which is why this template needs to be created. 00:47, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * short sections aren't a problem as long as they've got all the info they need. 11:54, August 13, 2020 (EDT)

Stubs are articles/sections that already don't really have information, while articles/sections that need the expand temlplate are ones that already have good enough information, but need some specifics. @TheDarkStar, I'll do that if this doesn't pass. Although, we have to make stubs look better overall, then just words and a picture. (Can't it be an actual notice template?) 12:27, August 13, 2020 (EDT)

This template is widely misused
The way I see it, this template is intended for articles/sections that require:
 * 1) an overhaul to bring them up to the wiki's standards of good writing and
 * 2) more details to clarify what is already written.

The "expand" part doesn't really mean "please add any and all information that you know about a subject", it means, quote: "elucidating" (expanding on) what is already written. However, it's widely interpreted as the former without regard to the current content, which owes to there not being a template that asks editors to add essential details about a subject. Unlike the "stub" template, which is intended for pages where the lack of information actually affects the quality of the page, a proper "expansion" template would put a focus on specific missing details without the need to modify the current writing. This page that I just created, which surely has enough information on it to not count as a stub and I believe is formatted well enough to not require rewriting the code, is still incomplete since I couldn't find information about all the subjects listed on it (which gliders are used here, which drivers appear there); it therefore needs an expansion, but not in the way the current blue template specifies it, and I think a simple "please expand" template would benefit it more until said information is added in. 11:15, January 30, 2021 (EST)
 * Modified the above message a bit. Also, bump. 19:36, February 7, 2021 (EST)