MarioWiki:Proposals

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Create articles on individual Dr. Mario levels
I'm specifically referring to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels in Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure and the story mode stages in Dr. Mario World.

It still bothers me that somehow the Dr. Mario series levels aren't explicitly covered by policy, so I propose that we be able to create them. I know that it may be a bit of a stretch to propose this, but I think we have a good precedent to go by: the levels from the Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, as even though they aren't really comprehensive levels per se (and thus would technically be in the same boat as the aforementioned Dr. Mario series levels), they still have articles nonetheless.

Should this proposal fail for either game, tables on the list of stages in each game will be created instead.

Proposer: Deadline: July 28, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Create articles for both games' levels

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) My second option.
 * 4) Per Toadette the Achiever. I was the one who originally added the links to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels. While the previous Dr. Mario games have randomized levels, these don't.
 * 5) Per Obsessive Mario Fan.

Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure

 * 1) Honestly, I agree with JC and with porplemontage in that talk page in that the levels in Dr. Mario World are more comparable to the Power Moons if anything else. Unlike the levels in Bowser Jr.'s journey, the puzzles are even more extremely straightforward and basic; the articles would contain little more than naming the amount of viruses present and features, and I really feel like that's something that could be more easily, conveniently and better summed up in a simple image + gallery format in their respective World articles summarizing the info up such as notable introductions to new game features than tearing all the tiny levels into individual pieces that would make it such a chore to navigate. It also doesn't help that the Dr. Mario World stages are generically named such as "Stage 60,201" unlike the Journey and Bowser's Minions level articles.
 * 2) Per Baby Luigi. I took a look at the stages in Dr. Mario World and there'd barely be enough to sustain half an article on its own.
 * 3) Per all. The Dr. Mario World levels should just be handled in a list because there isn't much to say about them.
 * 4) - Per all.
 * 5) I'm okay with this option too.
 * 6) As long as we still describe the level via tables on the world page, I agree with this option. Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Second option, better than nothing.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per Baby Luigi.
 * 11) Per all, I was going to suggest the same thing.

Comments
For the level layouts, we can show the virus layouts like this:







Is it a good idea? 15:37, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think we're far better off just taking a screenshot of the level. 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that sounds easier. 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * (edit conflicted) That sounds a bit too strategy-guide like. For the viruses in the Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels, I think it's better to just label how many of each color are in the level. As for Dr. Mario World, the colors of each virus can be random for each level, so it might just be better to make a note of how many viruses are in the level, as well as how many other gimmicks there are (Brick Blocks, Koopa shells, bombs, etc.). 15:47, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think you may have a stronger case for Miracle Cure since those levels appear to be named and not under specific worlds but I'm still against Dr. Mario World levels being separate in favor of summarizing stages in a gallery format in their respective world articles. 15:50, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels should definitely be made...Although levels from Dr. Mario World could be handled in a list, depending on how much there is to say about them. 16:09, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

What about full Worlds in Dr. Mario World? I think those should recieve articles, but probably not the individual levels. 17:08, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * Worlds are outside the scope of this proposal, and should be created according to myself and Mario jc. 17:23, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
 * OK. I was just wondering, in case that wasn't went over earlier. 17:27, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

there i made an article on one of the worlds from dr mario world 17:51, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries
Hi, so this is going to be a short, yet complicated proposal. There are two gallery pages, Gallery:Toys and Gallery:Figurines (linked in header), and it's a massive lump of merchandise images, which makes it difficult to actually add information regarding the merchandise. Pikipedia actually manages their merchandise page better in my opinion, as they organize by merchandise type in the mainspace (rather than gallery mainspace), and add some info on the individual merchandise. Part of me thinks that the lack of information on official merchandise (aside from obscurity) is because much of it is listed on a gallery page, rather than designated mainspace article. There is more information to the merchandise than just a picture of galleries.

Even if this proposal does pass, we should consider sorting the merchandise into sections or articles, so like Super Mario series merchandise, Yoshi's Island merchandise, Donkey Kong series merchandise, Mario Kart merchandise. There's simply too much merchandise. Mario is one of the biggest gaming franchise of them all and has numerous spinoffs and franchises. The longevity of the franchise makes me think it's the biggest gaming franchise of them all... I'm definitely going to need the community's help on this big proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: July 30, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) - I started this proposal.
 * 2) - Per proposal.
 * 3) - Per proposal.
 * 4) Strong support. I would love to have more expanded articles on merchandise.
 * 5) Per proposal.
 * 6) - Sounds good to me. More information on these toys would be great in a list format, a gallery doesn't work for that all that well.
 * 7) Agreed. Per all.
 * 8) Lists on merchandise on individual series (not games, most of those lists would be too short) would be great, and a good amount of merchandise does have some kind of pertaining info.
 * 9) Agreed, I think more should be said about the merchandise here. If there is not much to say about one, we would just put a short description.
 * 10) Absolutely. I was just thinking about doing this not too long ago, as the current merchandise galleries are just a mess of everything being tossed in wherever. I also think there's potential to split certain merchandise lines/companies, such as the Hot Wheels toys that just came out, a single page for the many Happy Meal promotions, or the Build-A-Bear toys which are actually mostly missing from that page; we already do this for San-ei and K'NEX, actually. There's so much that can be said about stuff like this that doesn't really lend itself to a paragraph somewhere in a massive gallery.
 * 11) Per all.
 * 12) - Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) Honestly, to begin with, I don't see the need to do this at all. Most of the merch can be understood as an image the way it is now. Further information isn't really necessary. There's no surprise as to what a Mario figure is, and at most a caption of 'Made by [company] in [year]' would suffice. Lets say that besides it's sheer uselessness that it gets passed. The logistics of creating such lists (as you seem to be aiming for) would be extremely difficult to create effectively. Would some games be standalone and others be by series? Furthermore, I think there would be a lot of sketchy, inaccurate, and entirely nonexistant sourcing would take place, leading to a variety of errors and inconsistencies. Absolutely no reason to pass, in my eyes.

Comments
So what are some possible ideas for how we will reorganize the articles into mainspace? What will the titles be? I definitely think doing it by franchise and spinoff series is the way to go. general merchandise (such as generic mario emblem) can be sorted under "general merchandise" or something like that. I want to hear your opinions. Results May Vary (talk) 22:10, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sort by spinoff series, like, and "List of general merchandise" works. 22:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yes, that would be a great idea for names. Results May Vary (talk) 22:22, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
 * Just remembered that Forest of Illusion has posted lots of obscure Mario merchandise from Japan, so some of the pages could possibly be sorted by region. Results May Vary (talk) 23:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Disallow use of "per all" votes on proposals and featured article nominations
Let's face it, this proposal had to happen. Too many people vote on a proposal just for the sake of voting, and bandwagon on the side with more votes. "Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes. They instead opt to say "per all above reasons", quite possibly because they haven't even read the above reasons and are simply voting just by looking at the voting headers, without looking at the reasons for either side. Worst-case scenario, they see that one of the sides has a lot more votes and they cast a "per all" vote on that side just because. "Per all" is the lamest excuse to vote that ever existed and goes directly against proposal policy of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it". "Per all" has some real meaning behind it, but it's rarely used just because the voter agrees with and would otherwise list every single reason posted above it. It's usually just used because the voter hasn't considered the matter carefully and is rushing their vote to the side with more. It's basically putting no reason with your vote other than "you know what just look at the votes above this because I don't feel like typing everything".

Therefore, I propose that the use of "Per all" in any proposal or featured article nominations be prohibited, and any votes involving its use are eligible for removal (unless they provide other reasons along with "per all", in which case the "per all" portion of the vote be removed and the rest of the vote stays as-is). "Per proposal" and "Per " votes will still be allowed, but in the case of the latter, voters must list the users they most strongly agree with, one by one. This provides at least some certainty that they have considered the matter carefully, and examined the reasons to see which ones they buy.

Proposer: Deadline: August 3, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.  (Just watch how even in this proposal a bunch of "per all" votes get cast out of sheer spite just because)

Oppose

 * 1) Per all simply means you agree with the points others have already made. Do some people abuse it? Probably, but we have no way of knowing whether they have or not, and neither do you. I see no reason to disallow it, otherwise you'll just have everyone beating a dead horse, or worse, actively discourage users from participating in proposals. This proposal also seems pointless as you could easily get around it by just writing a laundry list of everyone else who has voted prior. If anything, I'd rather see casting blank votes as an implied "per all" being allowed.
 * 2) In my opinion, there's no good reason to force people to give longer responses to proposals. I use "per all" because I don't want to just repeat the same points that everyone else already made. Honestly, I'd support just eliminating the need for vote reasons in the first place since an empty vote is just another way of saying "per all".
 * 3) ...Yeah no. Per all is used mostly because if one was to write out the same points again as vote number twelve (or even three), it would just waste both that users time and just be frustrating to read for other people. It's not going to prevent anything either, as Waluigi Time stated above. This proposal really seems to serve no use other than ''Well, I don't like seeing the words per all so let me just get rid of it."
 * 4) ""Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes."" There are a lot of reasons for me to oppose this, but I think this assumption seals it. Do you really want there to be no alternative or shorthand for people whose reasoning is ultimately the same as someone else's, either because it was more compelling to them or because their own stance is similar enough to another voter's that it would genuinely make little difference? Because all this is going to result in, among other things, is people struggling to word their opinions in as obtuse a way as possible just to avoid accusations of "not considering the matter carefully" or not meeting some arbitrary level of originality in their statements. I for one would rather not be mandated to type out whole lines and paragraphs in order to satisfy some random person's perception of my understanding, especially not when a "per all" would suffice - if someone really wants to "test" my understanding of a matter, they are free to ask me for an in-depth opinion. And let it be reiterated that it is the attempt to seemingly mandate a perceived laziness away - and perceived is the key word here - that rubs me the wrong way infinitely more than any other aspect (e.g. the presumption of voter motivations, for one). And there's a huge overlap with that example, likely because the entire notion of this proposal is founded on assumptions, and ones that would easily be proven wrong were one to actually engage with the voters and see what guides their thought process, instead of trying to force their hand via such an overt attempt to try and finagle their personal opinion into an enforceable guideline.
 * 5) honestly i say we're far better off getting rid of the reason required rule to begin with: a reasonless vote is pretty much just a stealth "per all". a vote is a vote. i still have the same power regardless if i write two words due to bandwagoning or type a 1000 word essay.

Comments
Yes, there's an inherent irony in my typing an entire paragraph about how this is going to make people feel compelled to type paragraphs, and no, I don't much care because that's well beside the point. -- 19:02, July 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * And for further commentary, I peeked at the history in Recent Changes, and apparently this is a means of dealing with "bandwagon voting". If ever a statement begged a question, this is it: what exactly is the definition of "bandwagoning" being used here, and what are actual examples of votes that meet said definition without careening down the obvious slippery slope of "X more or less agrees with something Y said"? Because again, and let's face it, sometimes someone says it better than you could. -- 19:07, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

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