User talk:KP/Archive 2

Hello and welcome to my talk. You can post everything from friend requests to last warnings right here. I am mostly on the wiki, so if you leave a message here, I will respond to it as quickly as possible. I am always open to friend requests and do not be afraid to ask me. Anyways, post whatever you want here except rude comments and flaming. If you do so that would be awful! Just Fawful! So, yeah! Post away!

Past Archives
Archive 1

Chat
Hey, I see you archived....... Anyways, we didn't really get to chat last time, want to do it again? This time go to Userpedia chat. -- 17:12, 28 March 2013 (EDT)

About Jr. Troopa
Yep, he is a nerd 10:05, 29 March 2013 (EDT)

Changed Userbox
I changed the userbox once again:

Another Userbox
I've created another userbox. You can use it if you prefer.

Userbox
Here's a userbox:

20:50, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

He knows you!
http://www.danasoft.com/sig/ImEviltotell.jpg

12:11, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Thanks
Thank you so much for the Big Burt Bros. for my Easter present. Also, here is 1 Red Coin for my shop!

Battle
Tomorrow, I need to battle BabyLuigiOnFire. Can you help me to defeat him?

20:40, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

Chatroom
Want to chat if you're not busy? Use this link. -- 16:01, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

Sig
Hey buddy, like my new sig? Made it myself!

BFF userbox
Here's a userbox for our awesome friendship!

wassup?
Q: Where were you at school today? A: I had a doctor's appointment in Toronto. Sorry buddy.

Also, I voted on your side of the proposal.

PS Are you available to get together this weekend? If so, it is most likely going to be 2pm on Saturday.

Okay buddy.

PS I might change my username to Moon Coin Iggy because I like Iggy lots now and I love the value of Moon Coins. When should I do my name change?

QUOTES QUIZ!
Who said this quote "I really... hate that hedgehog... I hate him... I HATE him!... HATE HIM! hate... hate... hate!... HAAAAAAAAAAAATE!"? 21:55, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Correct! Next: "I am the emperor of eavesdropping!"? 08:47, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Correct! Next: "In just a few minutes, the bidding for Princess Toadstool and her slimy friend Toad will begin! *laugh* So drink up your Koopa Cola!"? Plus: What do I hate the most? 09:16, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Correct! Next: "To save your precious Robotnik empire. I know how to contain the chaos emerald. If we join forces we have a chance to stop this chaos!"? 09:22, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Wrong! The correct answer is Knuckles from Sonic Underground. Final, what is my two favorite characters? 09:29, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Yes and NO. My second favorite character is the Koopa Bros.. Thank you for playing this show, we hope you have a good night ladies and gentlemens. Good night. 09:37, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Hey
Hey buddy, were you sick today? You didn't miss much, just a math question.

Operating System Question
Do you have Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OS X 10.8, or Ubuntu 12.10? 15:36, 10 April 2013 (EDT)


 * WARNING: Windows XP will end support on April 8, 2014. All security will be be terminated. Please upgrade to Windows 7 or you will have a obsolete computer.

Would you mind...
If I have that second best friends userbox? 20:05, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Where the userbox that you requested? 08:12, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

P.S: Here's my new userbox:

Friends?
Wanna be friends? Pokebub (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Best Friend Userbox
You can give it to The Zombie Bros. if you want. I actually don't believe in the idea of best friends, or friends in order; I just consider everyone who is a friend a friend http://static.mibbit.com/smileys/yel02.png -- 17:11, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Userbox
Hey King Pikante what is the code of your friend userbox? Pokebub (talk) 18:33, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Problem
Hey buddy! Something's seriously wrong with the wiki. I mean, look here at RE Items at the bottom. Can you inform me what has happened? Thanks in advance!

MortonBoo99

My Userbox
this is my friend userbox here it is:

Pokebub (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

Random section
Hey whats up? -- 18:49, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

Busy killing myself with school stuff. How was your spring break? I survived a skiing accident :P

-- 21:46, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

So you don't have a spring break? And I STILL have snow, with the promise of ANOTHER storm tomorrow. I usually like winter but for now all its doing is shortening summer :P Also, I found out I'm going to Japan in a few months! -- 17:47, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

P.S. Which games have you been playing lately?

Haven't heard of any of those. They don't have a Nintendo theme park yet, but visiting Japan will still be awesome (I'm not going anywhere close to Toyko :P) After I return to the US, I'm going to travel (locally) and then going to India. Yeah, this summer is nothing but travel :P

Have you ever travelled anywhere interesting?

18:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

So you've never been out of Canada before? No offense, but coming from a person who has been to four continents, that really sucks :P

Also, it seems that you and MB99 are like brothers. How long have you been friends? 18:19, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Cool. Also, you're a fan of speedrunning, right? Same here but I always fail the most while doing speedruns, and it's really hard to talk and play at the same time. 18:26, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Want to chat since we're kind of doing it already -- 18:39, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Hehe.....Which ones? -- 17:54, 22 April 2013 (EDT)


 * P That's one thing we disagree on. Anyways, as you can see by my forum profile, I'm a fan of planes......Especially Air India...... -- 18:03, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

(facepalm) I put that there for no reason; it's how old Air India is. But really, they should have Nintendo there, I once saw a knock-off NES with a picture of Luigi on the box whose cap had an "N" on it! :-O -- 18:09, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

Did you know than in India they have Xbox and Playstation, but no Nintendo products? ;P

Hey
No nothing important.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just need 2 Star Coins in World 2-5!

New quiz
Here's a new quiz!
 * Question 1: How many HP does the Mini-Z-Yux have in PM:TTYD?
 * Question 2: What game has the minigame/microgame Swing Kings in it?
 * Question 3: What item bears Elvin Gadd's symbol? (Hint: it's from MP7)

hey
Hey buddy, how's it going? I CREATED A PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks buddy! I did my best! P.S. I am giving those who had money before I deleted my store a FULL REFUND. Your new total is: 2 Ztars, 2 Gold Stars and 150 Blue Coins.

friends
Hi, there's sombreroguy. Want to be friends? Here's the userbox, if you do.

SombreroGuy

Warning.....
You were going to add a warning for removing the Userspace template too? Wow, that's the first time I've seen THREE people edit a page at the same time..... :P -- 19:42, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Hey
We haven't really talked recently. Just dropped by to say hello. Did I mention I'm on Bowser's Warped Orbit in Mario Party 8?

User:ParaLemmy1234

Pinkie Pie will party in your computer soon.
Well then, since the Koopa Bros. are blaming Jr. Troopa for ruining their day, Pinkie Pie will come here and turn your computer into a comparty! 16:48, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Signature
Your signature must fit in this box:

To fix it, just change the size of the images to x35px, and maybe make the font a little bit smaller.

-- 17:52, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Your sig
I'm sorry to say that your sig is violating the signature guidelines. It needs to fit in the following box:

Also, here's a GOLDEN friends userbox!

Get together
My folks said yes. Is there anything that you'd like me to bring?

1:30 pm is good. See you then!

Re: Congrats
Thanks dude! :)

20:25, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

Friendbox
I've been using the "best friend box" I gave you a while back as my regular one now, so please get rid of the old green one. And here's your new best friend box: }}

-- 17:52, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Stubs
Good work with your recent expanding of stub articles related to Yoshi's Island DS! I just got the game on emulator...after I figure it out maybe I could help you with expanding the level articles.-- 18:21, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
 * How far are you in the game? I'm just getting started, but I'm more of ripping sprites than playing :P -- 16:19, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

I just wanted to say, I tried my best to fix the stub article: King Bob-omb's Court of Chaos, No promises that's it's perfect, but I think I made it better then it was. -Hunterman1651

RE: Userpage
Hello King Pikante! I did receive that notice from you, and I am sorry that I have not been contributing as enough as I should of. I will be doing some editing on the articles Mushroom Cup, Special Cup, Leaf Cup, and Lightning Cup as soon as possible. I don't want to do some many edits at once because I simply don't want to ruin anything here on the MarioWiki, or make anything messy. I have been on the MarioWiki for only a few months now, and I have been learning how to do better editing along the way. Thank you for taking the time to understand. Driver104 (talk) 15:57, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

Thank you! I will try my best to do more edits with the articles people read. I am a Mario Kart guru, and I have been watching over those pages for quite some time now. Hopefully I can contribute my knowledge to Mario Kart U, because I am really looking forward to that game! Keep up the good work, cause I have seen you've gotten yourself a long way! Driver104 (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

Oh you're welcome! Is there anyway we could become friends? MarioKartManiac (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Oh sorry! I just noticed right this second that you don't accept friend requests anymore. Whoops! MarioKartManiac (talk) 16:51, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Oh cool! My last day of school is this Friday, so I hope I can get to know you a little bit better while I'm not doing much. MarioKartManiac (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

By the way, is there an article for the list of missions in "New Super Mario Bros. U"? I was looking around, and I had no luck. I was thinking about maybe trying to start a new article. MarioKartManiac (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Sorry, I meant to say challenges. MarioKartManiac (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

I'm planning on creating that list of challenges, since it's the most I know about. The only Paper Mario I really know much about is Super Paper Mario. Do I have to ask an administrator if I could make the challenges list? If I do have to ask, then how? MarioKartManiac (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Any specific administrator you recommend? By the way, thanks for all your help! MarioKartManiac (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Thank you! MarioKartManiac (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi King Pikante! It's me again! I'm having a problem uploading an image to the article Special Cup. I want to get a Moonview Highway image, but I can't find any good ones and I have usually just been copying and pasting images from different Mario Kart articles to the article I am working on. Is there anyway you can help? MarioKartManiac (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

Google Images is really the easiest way I think, and I've had a little experience with that. Are their any copyright issues I need to worry about first before I get a picture from there? MarioKartManiac (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

So it's ok to upload an image from Google Images then? MarioKartManiac (talk) 16:58, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

Thank you for your help! MarioKartManiac (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

Area maps
I believe they are called "Region Maps". Coincidentally, I was writing an article about them, and I already ripped the maps from the game. I guess I'll upload them soon.


 * It's okay. I think I should be the one saying sorry, as in your eyes potential uploads were taken from you. But I had a half finished draft and those pics on my computer, so I'd thought I'd say something, y'know. Also, thanks for putting them on the articles :)


 * Thanks!

11:41, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

Re: My draft
Hello KP, deep apologies for the late reply. I think the draft looks great! Feel free to create it.

19:17, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

Sup
Remember me? -- 20:29, 12 December 2013 (EST)


 * Yeah, he always attacks those who undo his edits. I guess doing so is troll feeding, but I'd have my talk page vandalized any day than the games list turned into MDPs supposed dominion XP
 * -- 21:31, 17 December 2013 (EST)
 * Yeah...btw, why did you suddenly take a months-long break?
 * -- 16:36, 18 December 2013 (EST)

Re: Hi
Personally I think they look really good.

07:57, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Sig
Don't know if it was mentioned before, but you should really update your "contribution/edits" part of your sig :P 13:58, 14 December 2013 (EST)

RE: Consecutive edits
I often avoid doing them and already know to do as much as possible in one edit, but I'm one of those forgetful types and may end up making some because I forgot to link something or remembered an extra detail about the subject. Sometimes it may be due to noticing a page wasn't categorized or had a template on something it needs one for, which was the case for both pages.

Yeah, I invested in one myself to work on large edits I plan on making in the future, though I often don't use it for edits like the original ones I made on the Green and Red Shell pages because I know what the content of my edit will be, don't feel they're major enough and can be fully constructed in a single sitting, which typically puts me off doing so. Under your suggestion, I may try using it more for things like this in the future, but we'll see, I guess.

Hello, I apologize for making consecutive edits on Rosalina. If this Wiki uses points or something and there is a way to make them just the points for one edit or even take them away (I don't care about points in any way, I only care about contributing what I can). The reason was more that I am Autistic so I can be a little scatterbrained. I simply forgot to add something into the edits and edited them again to include it. Again, I apologize if this is something looked down upon on here, it wasn't my intention to mine for points or what have you.

No problem. I'll just try to organize my thoughts better in the future. I'll usually end up writing something just to think of a better way to say it or an additional bit to add to it..particularly when I originally only began the edit to do a correction (in this case, that the Luma 'couldn't be attacked' when it was clearly shown being attacked and even defeated in the Trailer).

RE: Thanks
No problem, it's what I do. It's probably best not to talk about that here, maybe chat or something.

Not me.
KP,

No, that IP was not me. 17:26, 27 December 2013 (EST)

New articles
I assume you put the construction template on the articles you recently created because they are unfinished. I was wondering how unfinished they were, if they are?
 * Okay that doesn't sound like a lot, just saying though someone could view the incompleteness as the article being a stub.

Apologizing.
I'm sorry, I ranted on the Mario talk page, here's to make up for it.

RE: Mega Pi'illos
I agree, that's why I left the exclamation mark in; it looks incredibly strange without it. As for the notes, I don't even know about the use of symbols in quotes so I just didn't bother.

RE: Mega Pi'ilos
Sorry, I've never played Dream Team, so I have no idea.

Friend
Hey you have helped me loads on my first day on this wiki and I would love to be your friend thanks a lot! DolphinYoshi/sig

Re: MillaPrenzel
Glowsquid is a faster swimmer than me.


 * Turboo is also a faster swimmer than me.

22:00, 2 January 2014 (EST)

RE: Huh?
I came onto the page and saw the stub template, as the article was recently created it should be the new stub. As I said in my edit summary I imagine the article is complete, but as I haven't gotten to that stage in the game I didn't know for definite. I imagine the article is complete and the template can be taken off.

RE: Stub
Hiya. I added the stub template because it doesn't bother saying why Dreambunny refuses to give up the Nightmare Chunk for Eldream, and the article is incredibly vague on how Dreambunny helps the Bros, which is actually a rather important thing to note considering its relevance to the plot and Dreambunny's own abilities. There were also actually some fairly notable and interesting things that were suggested about Dreambunny in Pi'illoper's book that deserve a place on the article as well, I believe.

I actually added the content of Pi'illoper's book to his page a while back, so you can refer to that. Anyway, I believe Dreambunny drills into the ground (using what I could've sworn was its ears as the drill) to create a path to Dream's Deep and that it doesn't give up the Nightmare Chunk easily because it's protecting it or something along those lines, but you might want to look into the latter because my horrible memory may be acting up. Hopefully this helps.

The template can remain gone now, then, though part of me worries about the reliability of Pi'illoper's novel, particularly due to the postscript and where this information is actually found... in a Pi'illo fanatic's novel. Might be speculation saying referring to what's in there is fact (as it could easily be fiction), so "this suggests" or something would probably be better wording.

RE:Happy birthday
Cheers man, means a lot.

NSMBWii's stages...
...were never given any names that I've seen, at least not within the game itself. I saw your discussion with an anon editor, and I honestly doubt there's any official source naming the levels (though I've never bothered to look, so grain of salt and all). Lord Grammaticus (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2014 (EST)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Driftmaster already cleared things up for me. I am just a new user. I dont deserve warnings like the one I got, so im appealing. The Chain Chomp (talk) 17:10, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Paralemmy
He definitely does deserve a warning (not accusing you but I can see you're kinda trying to ease it up since you're friends) for abusing privileges but imo the offense itself carries just a plain Warning. The reason Chain Chomp gave him a was because he already got a warning, but I agree, he doesn't deserve a lastwarn unless he did this particular thing before. -- 17:19, 10 January 2014 (EST)
 * He just apologized..but it's up to the admins to decide about warnings and stuff.
 * -- 17:37, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Hello
I saw your comment for Glowsquid. I put you on my user page because I was very mad when I created it, but then realized it is not right to make fun of other users on a user page just because others can't edit. Now, I removed that part for a reason, an would be happy if an admin could somehow remove the edit to my user page in order to prevent others from going into my page history and seeing what I wrote about you. Once again, I'm sorry and regret what I have done. The Chain Chomp (talk) 17:35, 10 January 2014 (EST)

As a part of being constructive, how about we be friends? It's not right knowing a user on an online site that you can't stand. Feel free to take my user box if you wish. The Chain Chomp (talk) 17:55, 10 January 2014 (EST)

No. Please don't do this, my friend! I am a really nice guy in real life, and got carried away before, and denying my friend request is like telling me to get lost, as if you want me to hold a permanent grudge against you! Please don't do this, pal! The Chain Chomp (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2014 (EST)

RE: Thanks
You're welcome, though literally doing so at this point would likely be encouragement for vandals and I wouldn't recommend it.

Hi!
Hi I'm new here :3 Android 18 (talk) 14:07, 11 January 2014 (EST)

Re: Vandal
You forgot their IP. And I forgot you aren't an admin. Ignore me. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 14:18, 11 January 2014 (EST)


 * I said IGNORE ME! ;-; Lord Grammaticus (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2014 (EST)

Hey there
I reverted some vandalizer edits is that any help? The Chain Chomp (talk) 20:05, 13 January 2014 (EST)

OK
OK. Here's my userbox:

Grinder article
Hiya. Were you intending to bypass all the redirects for the moved article, or shall I?

08:19, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Note
If I can't edit, I can't work like this...

...I quit!

RE: Bald Cleft
And the same thing happens that in the game for Chapter 3 enemies it says "Glitzville" and in this wiki says "Glitz Pit", right?--190.92.15.37 19:07, 6 February 2014 (EST)

I know it's a long time since we met, so...
Here is some questions:

1. Why did Jr. Troopa kicked the Koopa Bros? 2. When is Mario Kart 8 being released? 3. Do you play Minecraft? 4. Where is Petalburg in this map? 5. Is Corn Grass?

11:36, 8 February 2014 (EST)

I'm waiting... 20:48, 10 February 2014 (EST)

...?  15:30, 15 February 2014 (EST)

Sorry
I apologize for leaving you with him. My internet stopped connecting here. Sorry again.
 * I know you've battled them before :P I just apologize for leaving halfway through.

Yoshi Island levels
Hey. I was sort of planning on rewriting those, I know I haven't recently, but that's due to school restraints. So I ask not to do anymore if that's alright.
 * I only plan on doing the first game as I've completed that one, when you do the DS ones add the enemies into the article because every other level article from other games include them.
 * Cheers, also nice to see that you've gotten a forum account.
 * Okay, hopefully soon I'll get some work on the SMW2 ones :P

The Goonie Coast is Clear!
Nice work on the YIDS articles. 10:02, 16 February 2014 (EST)

Present
To celebrate my anniversary, I'll give you a present.

Take great care of it. 17:14, 17 February 2014 (EST)
 * Thank KP. And please take care of your Baby Yoshi. :)  15:32, 18 February 2014 (EST)

RE:YIDS
No worries, I really had no plans on working on those articles as I haven't completed the game and I also saw it on your goal list :P
 * It is, I love it. I was so glad when they announced New Island.

New user stuff
I also find your reminder you gave to Viper26 a little bit uncalled for. I've heard in other places (Wikipedia for starters) that it is actually permissible to remove reminders/warnings. It would do a lot better just to give the person an informal reminder and possibly a link to the MarioWiki:Warning page instead of assuming he knows every single rule. You may heard of the saying "ignorance does not excuse" or something along the line, but it shouldn't be applicable here since it'll potentially bite the newcomers. Remember, you should assume good faith in users. 18:19, 21 February 2014 (EST)
 * Seems to me you're living by the rules, and I'm certain he's not intending to undermine authority, as I think he removed that section on his own and removed the talk page comment because he was done with it. Why is undoing an admin edit undermining their authority anyway? I don't think it honestly matters what edit you undo. Undermining admin authority is more like in the MarioWiki policy dealing with insulting them. Again, your problem is that you assume ill intent in the user, when it's a new user; I suggest you go a little bit easier on him. 14:51, 23 February 2014 (EST)

RE:Hi
That was directed at you, I followed the link to see what else was said, but saw that it was a game review rather than a development meeting. My search for that only yielded other games reviews like I presumed.

Hey
I'm not stalking you or anything, it's just that you... seem like your never nice to people. If you look at my talkpage archive, nobody was nice to me nd that's what nearly drove me to "wiki suicide." I guess we just happen to be on the same page at the same time, LOL!!!!!!!! Epic Rosalina (talk) 10:30, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Re: Hello
You should probably do the regular enemies since you seem to have the guide and I don't know most of their names. I'll work on some of the Snowmad ones. --

Awesome. Thanks! --

RE:Hi
Yeah, I had those as reminders (I watched a YouTube video showing a playthrough of the level and described it). Thanks for putting in the correct names. -- 16:42, 26 February 2014 (EST)
 * Umm, what are the frog enemies in the first level called? -- 17:03, 26 February 2014 (EST)
 * Thanks. -- 18:29, 26 February 2014 (EST)
 * Sorry to ask so many questions, but what are those yellow bud-like things which you can pound on to get items called? -- 12:14, 27 February 2014 (EST)
 * Thanks dude. -- 18:11, 3 March 2014 (EST)
 * What's the name for the watermelon bombs in Shipwreck Shore and the turtle enemies whose shells you can throw? -- 18:45, 4 March 2014 (EST)
 * Got a problem: The Youtube video I watched to get information for the Shipwreck Shore article doesn't fully cover the level, so if you can (or whenever you have the time), could you finish the article on my work page since you know a lot more about the game that I do? You don't have absolutely have to but I would really appreciate it. -- 17:42, 12 March 2014 (EDT)
 * Thanks a lot. -- 15:27, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

RE: 'Shroom
Assuming you are the KP who contacted me about signing up for the 'Shroom, I've replied to your application on the forums. Superchao (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2014 (EST)
 * And there's one more message for you on the forums; thought you'd wanna know about the quick reply. Superchao (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Mario Boards
I have joined the Mario Boards under the name of Giga Luigi. I am trying to get a spot in the Fun Stuff. PS Like my new sig?

Article categories
Hi. Just to let you know there are more categories than just the generic game and enemy ones for articles, such as fish or plants. If you're unsure of which ones to put in I recommend check other articles of a similar nature.
 * Obviously don't look into every single category, most only fit into a at most three which will aid in navigation hence why they're here.
 * At the moment they're both here, and they both need to be used. I meant three additional ones rather than just the generic ones, I apologize for not making clear. And I'm not telling you to not make articles, overall they're more beneficial, I'd just prefer it if you also put in the categories especially since it takes about five seconds to think of the ones that are needed.
 * Thanks. Also thanks for the suggestion, unfortunately we do have some themes planned, though they should emcompass something that everyone can improve. And well done on getting FIO, I thought the section was pretty good.
 * Very interesting I look forward to reading it. Wiki coding I think tripped me up on some of my applications, my latest one was fine though.