User talk:LinkTheLefty/List of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki

Regarding the removal of macrons, they additionally did it with Arts & Artifacts, where they also conflated artwork from the game's manual and the other Japanese guide for it, and called Horsehead and Helmethead by mangled versions of their Japanese names (despite pretty much translating to their initial English names). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:23, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Additionally, "Undergrunt Gunner" is the name of the SMG boss, as it is said in-game by a Toad in the Deep Dark Galaxy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:25, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Also, you forgot the Lumacomète error (which is now the english name, but let's not get into it), and for info "Spiny Hermit" is more of an unsourced name than conjectural. Was it given a mention, or not mentioned at all? Regarding Gooble, it was named after the scoreboard, it is sourced, but it is speculative to say that it is used to refer to them. Additionally, after some research on Google Books, it deems that the New Super Mario Bros. Wiggler is the Big Wiggler, because the information came from us. The Electric Pressure being said to be the english name definitely came from us, as its internal filename is a romanization of its Japanese name. The multiple plant enemies, and what about these things? Also, made a typo on Fizzlit's name shown up as "Fizzlet" on the 3D World scans. -- 12:39, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Doc - I was worried about the Undergrunt Gunner thing because I also noticed that the article creation predated Super Mario Galaxy 2, and I meant Arts & Artifacts, not Hyrule Graphics.
 * FanOfYoshi - 1) I forgot about Lumacomète (and I'm telling you that repeating that this translation is valid won't make it happen and will only annoy others), 2) I already determined that Spiny Hermit had to have been conjectural, 3) Nothing is technically wrong with how Gooble is represented, 4) Yes, but the Big Wiggler talk page has active discussions, so there's no use mentioning it before any decisions are made, 5) the romanization of Electric Pressure's Japanese name is Ereki Puresshā, and that's beside the point because Electric Pressure at least has an existing official reference, 6) Tell me which plant enemies to look into, 7) Banekiti is referred to as "SPRING" on page 137; however, as there is some basis in the Prima guide (albeit generic), I did not include it, 8) okay, but the wiki did not make that mistake (and there's plenty more where that came from). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * When i said "let's not get into it", i meant let's ignore it, and Thorny Flower is fully capitalized. -- 13:23, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * We did "ban" it, and a lot of contributors felt very strongly about it. Just a fair warning. Also, thorny flower being in all caps makes intended format indeterminate. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * How "Sentry Garage" and "Ring Beam" we're made is rather suspicious, given the Sentry Beam history. -- 14:56, 1 March 2019 (EST)

''Regarding the "Bowser's flame" thing, it is important to note that the level they came from, is called Meteor Moat.
 * ....I realized it made a poem, so I just went with it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:42, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * It would be Bowser's Flame if I didn't add it to Meteor's article, so I feel particularly responsible for the bungle! Not all languages tell of Meteor in Meteor Moat, so it seems to be bloat! LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:08, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Your rhyming sucks Still though, that's a firsthand source for that name in that case. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Yeah I know All right then. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:19, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Perhaps we could turn this into a list of all of the mistakes in this book with a list of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki being a section? For example, see this mistake Supper `Mario Broth found. 18:04, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Yeah, i definitely know we're "Sentry Garage" and "Ring Beam" made-up. I'd guess we can call the english translation "the infamous" -- 06:15, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * Oddly enough, the same "Wriggler" error is present in the Super Mario 64 enemies section[86], but then the name "Wiggler" is correctly used when describing its mission[90]. Anyway, I feel like everything that's not from the Super Mario Wiki would have to be a separate list. Soarin' Stu and Lumacomète are the most common examples of wiki-related material, but the problems run far deeper, so the goal is to give it all a clear comprehensive list for the record. There are even more examples that could be listed—I highly doubt Dark Horse legitimately looked at the Nintendo Power Game Boy Player's Guide or Nintendo Power Volume 28 for the Super Mario Land and Super Mario World sections, and certain translations like Potted Piranha Plant or the aforementioned Electric Pressure are suspected to come from here—but for our purposes, it is strictly sticking to content that we know to be incorrect or invented. Though I'll consider adding non-wiki mistakes as another section or category since there's enough material to turn it into an actual article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * I own the book so may I start making a list of the errors that are not from the Super Mario Wiki? Also, on page 30 Bowser's Brother is named Blue Bowser, an unofficial name from the wiki. 09:25, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * Also, where Pipe Cannons that are called Gina Cannons in the book ever a conjectural name from this wiki or is Gina Cannons a name that Dark Horse made up despite the cannons having an official name? 09:39, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * "Blue Bowser" corresponds with the Japanese version on that page (青いクッパ), even though the enemies and characters section lists "blue" in parenthesis (and it's not a "Fake Bowser" like the English version claims). It's one of those cases where the same name could have conceivably come from us but, like Giant Brick Block, it's a direct translation. Also, it doesn't look like Gina Cannon was used as a name on the wiki, though Pipe Cannon was added in 2017, which fits with the time frame (but I have no idea why Gina was referenced when it wasn't ever a title); either way, the Japanese version is 「ギラーの発射台」 (Girā no Hasshadai, "Gira's Launcher"), which is more in line with the Torpedo Ted launch pads than Bill Blasters. Anyway, if you want to make a "list of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia mistakes and names not from the Super Mario Wiki", that's fine. Another reason I'm reluctant to do that is because I haven't grasped the extent of which was taken from any other online sources, so I don't know how that overlaps with fan-made mistakes and names. That might be something you want to keep in mind if you create your own list. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * Also, on page 126 the Big Green Caterpillars are called Worms, the page's old conjectural name until a proposal was made to only include the Super Mario Galaxy information, with the page later being moved to its internal file name. On page 137 Thorny flower is spelt Thorny Flower, the page's old name. 13:32, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * The caterpillar has some basis in the Prima Guide, where it's referred to as lowercase "worm" on pages 35 and 172, but these names are in all caps, so we can't tell if they're meant to be proper or generic (though it's suspect that "THORNY FLOWER" is in both the Super Mario Galaxy sections and the Super Mario 3D Land section). LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * It is weird that what are not worms at all are officially called worms, but at the very least it is not another error that comes from Dark Horse. As for the all-caps Thorny Flowers they are only named in the title of their paragraph were they are only all-caps like other titles so it cannot be listed as a mistake. 15:20, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * Also, on page 216 the large Snake Blocks in the level Snake Block Tower are called "Giant Snake Blocks" which is an unsourced name that is still on the Snake Block page. 17:51, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * The unsourced "Stretch Plant" name for Rubbery bulb is used on pages 137 and 171 of the book. 13:07, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * I suspected "Stretch Plant" and will add it, and I'll also add the "Giant Snake Block" since it could have come from the New Super Mario Bros. U article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * "Giant Snake Block" is actually listed under the new name Huge Snake Block (which is more in line with Huge Fire Bar, even though it's "Big Fire Bar"). LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:39, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * Double checked and you are right, my mistake. 14:53, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * I am currently fixing my list and I noticed that the "Spring Board" inconsiseties are from the wiki due to the objects that are not Spring Boards being called Spring Boards in the book are called Spring Boards on the page Gnarly. 08:00, 5 March 2019 (EST)

On a related note, I finished the list of errors in the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia that are not from the Super Mario Wiki from what I can tell, so is there any things that I missed? Also, when you are done your list do you think that the two lists should be on one page titled "List of errors in the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia" with the lists being different sections or should they be separate pages? 18:35, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * Yes, there is more to say about the book's non-wiki errors, which I'll bring up on your talk page for it. As for a merge, it's pending if it'll even be wanted in mainspace. My original plan was to maybe modify it into a section for the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia article, but it's becoming big enough for its own article. If the lists do end up sharing the same article, I'd prefer at least having them as separate sections, since my list is intended for readers who want to know what the fuss is about regarding the wiki material that ended up in the book, and I feel merging the lists entirely would somewhat obfuscate that specific purpose. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * I also agree that the two lists should be separate sections if they share a page. 14:00, 4 March 2019 (EST)
 * Oh, Soarin' Stu wasn't unsourced, it was conjectural. -- 08:28, March 23, 2019 (EDT)
 * The reason the green Electro-Koopa was treated as a color variant, is that it was copied from us. -- 08:38, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
 * Regarding the Bolt Beam, unlike the Sentry Beam, i don't suspect it to have been copied from us, given that it is more consise than Ball Beamer, which has nothing to do with a ball. And no, i'm not validating the encyclopedia. -- 08:08, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * My guess is that the name was supposed to be a portmanteau of "bolt" and "beam"(er), but it got rendered as "Ball Beamer". However, since I find it very suspicious that the encyclopedia also uses "Mobile Sentry Beam", I'm leaving it as-is. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:05, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Mobile Sentry Beam is more suspicious than Bolt Beam though. -- 11:37, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Both come from the same place, so I don't believe it's a coincidence. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:49, May 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Regarding the above's Gooble, i said that it was not unconfirmed, it is official, but there is no confirmation on what it refers to. -- 12:27, May 13, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, could you add the potential octopus? -- 13:22, May 15, 2019 (EDT)
 * What about the questionable Giant ? Blocks? I haven't checked yet. -- 03:10, May 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * If you mean the ? Block from Super Mario 3D World, it's listed as "Expanding Block" on page 232, which is basically a direct translation. On the other hand, the ! Block from Super Mario 3D Land is listed as "! Platform Block" on page 185, which is derived from our name for the "Platform Block" from New Super Mario Bros. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:32, May 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Ouf of curiosity, any other enemy from Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins are mentioned in the Nintendo Power guide? -- 00:43, May 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Which ones the wiki currently doesn't have an english name for them is mentioned? And which ones aren't mentioned? -- 09:20, May 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * The wiki has all the specifically named ones from Nintendo Power Volume 43. There are a few generic mentions among others such as Yashichi called "sharp objects" and Neijī called "loose screws" on page 48 and Bēro called "spook heads" and Terekuribō called an "unbeatable ghost" on page 50, but they aren't proper names. Checking again, I did notice that masked ghoul and satellite are actually generic descriptions as well. Shark can go either way since it's at the start of a sentence but I'll give that the benefit of the doubt since Bee and Bear are also capitalized. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:45, May 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Would you mind adding the questionable Spine Coaster in the Super Mario 3D Land, and New Super Mario Bros. 2 section if they get split and merged, and if they are called Spine Coaster or Bonecoaster in either sections? -- 08:27, June 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, out of curiosity, is the "Koopa Chase" named in the encyclopedia? What about the Japanese version? And the Prima guide? -- 04:28, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, besides the Obstacle Bubble's English name being a translation of its Japanese name "Ojama Awa", what is its name in the Nintendo Power guide, since i plan to split them from Bumper (Super Mario series)? -- 07:41, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * No, the most they'll mention is his "car" (クルマ). My guess is that Koopa Chase was supposed to be "Koopa Chaser" or is meant to be based on the Koopa Clown (Car). Bumpers are not named in the New Super Mario Bros. Player's Guide. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:08, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * Then what do we do about them if they are called "Obstacle Bubble" in the English version (which is basically a translation of its Japanese name), which we can't cite and, how would we split them? When you mean "not named" you mean it's generically referred, or not mentioned at all? Be more specific. What do we do about the Spine Coaster? -- 08:12, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
 * If the objects are functionally identical and only have an aesthetic difference, then I don't see the harm in them sharing an article. By "not named" I mean that the guide just doesn't refer to them at all despite being pictured all over the level layouts. There's the sentence "Beware of sea anemones, which will bounce you right into the Unagi’s maw!" on page 107, but I'm pretty sure that's a separate object on the reef. As for the Spine Coaster, it only got its name in New Super Mario Bros. U; in guides, it's described as a "bone platform" in New Super Mario Bros. Wiis (page 166-167), "cart" in Super Mario 3D Lands (page 116), and "platform" in New Super Mario Bros. 2's (page 156). The New Super Mario Bros. Wii one is definitely a Spine Coaster. The Super Mario 3D Land one is generically referred to as a "lift" when describing World 8-Bowser: Part 2, but is absent in the list of items & obstacles (the "Lift" there is a broad term for a moving platform). It seems to be the same thing since the platform has the internal name BoneRollerCoasterParts and it moves on a track. The New Super Mario Bros. 2 one doesn't even have that in common and shares its Japanese name with the slow-falling bone platform from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, so that's the odd one out. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:18, June 5, 2019 (EDT)

Out of curiosity, what is the Ice Snake Block's name in the guide? The name is used by the encyclopedia as well. -- 02:19, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * 「氷スネークブロック」 (Kōri Sunēku Burokku, Ice Snake Block), as already mentioned in the article. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:15, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
 * I meant the Prima guide. -- 02:37, June 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's just generically called a "platform" on pages 70 and 71. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:51, June 7, 2019 (EDT)
 * Check these out, they are talks related to the encyclopedia. They are things named in the encyclopedia, which we can't cite, and that we don't have any article for. I think that cases like these need a counterproposal to the encyclopedia. And no, i'm not validating the encyclopedia. But that says, we're probably gonna use the Japanese name, which isn't a problem for me. -- 09:33, June 7, 2019 (EDT)