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 * Merge Pokey (Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again!) with Pokey, or change the title. (Discuss) Deadline: August 25, 2016, 23:59 GMT

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Rio 2016 Olympics Mario Reference - Live-Action TV or Real Life
I don't think that the images belong in List of Mario references in real life but rather List of Mario references in live-action television. Why? The images that were recently uploaded were televised. Real life references are for products or promotion of branding.

If and when we decide, we need to change the image category to have one, the other, or both:


 * Category:Miscellaneous Live-Action TV Images
 * Category:Miscellaneous Real Life Images

Proposer: Deadline: August 29, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Live-Action TV

 * 1) It was televised and the images were created using TV as a source.
 * 2) – Aside from deciding image categories, I'd like to see this proposal amended to specifically also address deciding on which page the information has a place on. To me, the information appears to certainly not (exclusively) belong on the Real life references page: a television-broadcasted event does not fit among information about public monuments, exhibits, street names and macaroon/icecream trucks (though I wish I could taste a Donkey Kone). All of these "Real life" things have some sort of tangibility, relative permanence or recurrence. I don't see how people could argue that this live-action is exclusively a real life reference. I definitely wouldn't like the information split between both articles either. If they happened to leave a Warp Pipe monument in Rio, then that would be something totally different. But as mentioned in the comments, this situation is alike to live talk shows: the ultimate interest of the live performance was the broadcast and exposure to a television audience. To me, that's what separates such references, and theatre shows for example. The television trumps the occurrence of the "real life" performance. At the end of the day (or, olympic games), it's not real life. It's an act. It was scripted, it was performed once for world-wide television, the animations were created and edited to be viewed as material for this live act. And now I wish I had a real life myself.
 * 3) - Per all.

Real Life

 * 1) The event wasn't exclusively televised - it also occurred in real life with plenty of people in attendance.
 * 2) I view TV broadcasts of the opening ceremony simply as coverage of an event happening over in Rio. The Olympic Ceremonies are not reality shows - they are live productions, aka play/theatre. As such, they are not TV shows just because they are broadcast on TV.  As an analogy, imagine if Mario sang the national anthem at a baseball game. Anthem-singing is an act, and just like the opening ceremony, it isn't "made for TV." It's just that in these modern days, everything major is broadcast. The closing ceremony is ultimately much closer to a play than a television event; after all, people are not paying hundreds of dollars to volunteer as a television audience (and keep in mind that tickets to actual television shows are free). They're going to see a real show, similar to how people go to sporting event or a Broadway show, and the television stations are down there simply to cover all the events going on.
 * 3) It's real so, per both!
 * 4) Tough call, but per Andymii and Once and only once.
 * 5) After reading it, it is a promotion (of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games) and fits perfectly with the others. It does not need to be in live-action TV.
 * 6) Per all

Both

 * 1) This is a very hard case to crack.
 * 2) This is a tough one but since they appear in both real life and on TV it think it's best we do both.
 * 1) This is a tough one but since they appear in both real life and on TV it think it's best we do both.

Comments
Would this be one of those rare occasions where it's included in both sections? 16:01, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I was thinking the same thing, but how to not violate Once and only once. -- 15:53, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

brings up a good point but the same thing can be said about talk shows and comedy skit shows, such as The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Late Show, and Saturday Night Live because they all have an audience present in the studio. -- 15:53, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * If you want to get really technical, you could also say this belongs in List of Mario references in animated television :P 15:58, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * We need a clear definition for each reference page. -- 16:00, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Actually, this is a new beast: it contained both a video part - the introduction - shown in the giant screens of the Maracana Stadium first and foremost (of course they were also on TV and on internet streams) and a real life part - Abe exiting from the warp pipe with Mario outfits and the SMB level clear jingle. In all cases, the whole was not mainly a television show - it was part of the closing cermony of the Olympic Games, a real life event that like all important real life events is also shown on television and on internet streams. I'm not sure if the currently proposed categories are enough or if a new category must be created to separate promotion and advertising from real life events featuring Mario.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:01, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Might I suggest ? That way we can cover non-Nintendo/Mario specific events like this that happen to fit into two different categories. We may have to do some rearranging in the other categories should we use this page, though... 16:03, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

A "promotional material" page wouldn't seem necessary with List of Mario advertisements, although I feel that your title would allow broader coverage and reads more professionally. – 17:26, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * I guess my page already exists under List of Mario references in advertisements. Maybe we could stick this there? 17:29, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

@YoshiKong: I think you're missing an important aspect, though: modern Olympic Games and their closing ceremonies existed well before television itself existed. It is the same difference between a contemporary stage play seen on television and a modern television show: both are broadcast and seen on television or through internet streams, but they aren't exactly the same thing.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2016 (EDT)


 * How about an article List of Mario references in sporting events? -- 19:58, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

This is a comment referring to this comment by Wildgoosespeeder: "The same thing can be said about talk shows and comedy skit shows, such as The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Late Show, and Saturday Night Live because they all have an audience present in the studio." I respectfully disagree. The thing about those is that they are meant to be TV shows - the only point of the audience is to make the TV experience more enjoyable (which is why live tickets are free - they depend on an audience. In fact, the audience is essentially part of the cast - they are asked to laugh as hard as possible, even for unfunny jokes). This is compared to the opening/closing ceremony, both of which are definitely is much more of "real-life" event than Late Night. Remember, people pay to go in person, just like they would go to see a play (which, honestly, is what it is.) NBC just happens to be broadcasting it. --Andymii (talk) 19:17, 22 August 2016 (EDT)


 * Again, this can also be said about modern Olympics. The hive mind of the studio audience can also apply to the audience of the Olympics. This is just like localized sports, such as the NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB, etc., just on a much bigger scale. Cheering will be for the home team while booing or silence will be for the away team. I think that most viewers will be in front of the TV instead of seeing the events unfold live. Not too sure though but it seems most practical to believe that. -- 19:58, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

As someone who would prefer a minimalistic stance on covering content that isn't about the video games themselves, I would rather just not cover this event at all. 19:38, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

@Alex95 and Wildgoosespeeder: Please be mindful of rule 4 and accompany your votes in the "Both" header with a reason. Thanks. -- 19:42, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

@Wildgoosespeeder: I don't think that the fact that more people watch the Olympics / general sports on TV necessarily makes them TV shows. Really, it's just coverage of an ongoing event that many people are interested in. This analogy is a bit morbid, but imagine if their was a terrorist attack somewhere, and everyone was watching the news coverage as it unfolded. There's more people watching on TV than on the street, so does that make the terrorist attack a TV show? I wouldn't think so. --Andymii (talk) 22:25, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Why would you go there? There is no real relevance for that here! It would be even more tasteless to reference Mario during delivery of tragic news. Even if that were so, if we were to reference such a thing, that goes in List of Mario-related controversies, maybe. Anyways, look for a red link further up this comment chain. I suggested creating a new article. -- 22:49, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Perhaps you read it wrong, but my post is simply to counter your point "because there is more people watching on TV, it's a TV show" with reasonable logic on why this concept is flawed, so there's no reason to be offended (I don't see how I'm "referencing Mario during the delivery of tragic news" as you said) . Anyway, there's probably not enough sports references yet to create a "list of Mario references in sporting events" article. If a few more pop up, we can make it, but for now, there's really no point in doing so when this is the only sports references I can think off the top of my head is this and maybe some Seattle Mariners stuff. --Andymii (talk) 23:55, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

The reason I chose this is because of two things. First, the Summer Olympics is a real life sporting event featuring athletes from around the globe in a series of summer competitions. Second, the closing ceremony plays a part in the competition and once the flame is gone, the Games will close. That's why! AfternoonLight (talk) 22:00, 25 August 2016 (EDT)

@Alex95 and Wildgoosespeeder: Second notice, please be mindful of rule 4 and accompany your votes in the "Both" header with a reason. I'm afraid the votes will have to be removed otherwise. -- 22:56, 25 August 2016 (EDT)

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