MarioWiki:Main Page talk archive 29

What's wrong with HK??
This looks like this may not be the proper page anymore, so someone can move it if that's the case.

Anyways, I just got this lovely Youtube PM from a person I've never heard before (I would have kept it anonymous anyways, I guess):

"Hey, we were wondering whether if it was really you that recently edited on MarioWiki? We ask because we suspect that HK-47 may have hacked your account."

...Are you serious with this? I mean really, what the HELL? HK is one of the original three along with me and Son of Suns that really got this place off the ground in 2006. We say the Wiki started on 8/12/2005, but even a year later it was still very quiet, very few users, which is why there were no such things as Mario Awards until 2007, when things finally picked up. Anyways, this guy is as legitimate as Son of Suns, sure he doesn't specialize in mainspace articles like him, but he's very well-balanced overall (whereas I was the more technical guy), and now he wants to come back and get involved again and some people think he's a sockpuppet troll because I don't come around very often anymore?

Maybe this misconception came about because I "hacked" HK during my Bureaucrat stint in 2007, when, honestly, I got very, very immature with those powers. No such thing happened - I don't remember exactly why, but HK & I were so tight that he gave me his password (I *think* it had something to do with check his Gmail which he couldn't access at his school, but it was so long ago now...). When I discovered this password matched on MarioWiki and he had been gone so long, my dumb self decided I could be a troll and get away with it. So yeah, there's some history of me at my lowest point...

Anyways, you all should be welcoming HK back instead of trying to find ways to ban him again. We talked on AIM again today and this is the real guy making the real comeback, and everyone should be grateful for it. 02:04, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Weren't you the one that Perma-banned him to begin with? And now you show up defending him, I mean seriously, what the hell? So, okay he helped get the Wiki off the ground and did a lot for the community, and for that, I will always be grateful. But whether you wanna admit it now or not, he deserved that ban. And ban for infinite means ban for infinite, not "come back and sockpuppet (break more rules) in a few years and maybe you'll get another chance!" Also he showed a completely disrespectful attitude in chat and showed that he didn't really change at all. Not only that but if he wanted to make a real comeback and help the Wiki out, he could've done a lot better than showing up and flooding the recent changes with advertisement to vote for him. I'm going to assume that the person (whoever it may be) Pm'd you because you and HK show up again on the same day, and you support him openly, if I remember correctly you guys hated the hell out of each other when things last ended. It gives us reason to believe something else may be going on.


 * So basically, you want us to come out and say: "If you've done something good for the Wiki, you're above the rules"? No. No. No. The rules are there for a reason, and no-one. Not you, not Son of Suns, not I, are above the rules. And if it's not too cliche, Saudy made his bed, and now he's gotta lie in it. And if it is too cliche, well, he's gotta lie in it anyway.
 * LOL, Xzelion is back? Surprising... Anyways, I have to be dead honest, I don't remember how or what or why or even if I did ban HK... hmm. HK really was a big sockpuppet guy? Anyways, the both of us have matured past the point where we're disliking each other over silly things on this site... trust me, we've occasionally talked very amicably over the past year. 02:28, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * You guys need to learn to let go of silly stuff like this... above the rules, whatever... it was a LONG time ago, and Steve probably doesn't give a damn anyways... 02:32, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Yes. Xzelion is back. It is good to hear you two have...matured...
 * Long time ago or not, whether Steve gives a damn or not, we do. I do. That's what we're here for, to give a damn when others don't. Maybe that should be our slogan. "The Mario Sysops. Giving a damn when others don't."
 * I'm not saying the administrative group shouldn't care, but they should be able to move on from something relatively remote that happened 3-4 years ago. 13:04, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Even during his short visit, he didn't have the best intentions. If you read some chat logs, you'd understand that he's here to cause trouble. And stop using the defense that he built this wiki as justification for why he should be allowed back. I could argue that many of the users nowadays have done as much as HK, if not more. The time period where HK helped the wiki is irrelevant. As Xzelion said, nobody is above the rules. During his final moments, he wasn't very constructive at all and wanted to stir trouble up for the sake of making things interesting (hell, look at those comments at the top of his talk page). Past behavior is indicative of future behavior and I believe this is true with HK.

If you want to continue this discussion, bring it behind closed doors or don't continue it at all. The wiki doesn't need this drama. All the best.-- 15:23, 25 June 2011 (EDT)