MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/7



"Bad Jokes and other deleted Nonsense" -style archive
MAKE ARCHIVE 13-9

The English Wikipedia had an archive called "Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense", where contributors can archive vandalism or plain bad writing that they consider to be humorous. The French and German Wikipedias still posses such a page, and it's quite possible that other Wikipedias posses such a page, as well. I think we should have a similar page. anything that ranges from Bad Writing to Humorous and non-harmful vandalism should go on there, although only articles stuff should be included. No User-talk things.

What are the gains from creating such a page? Well... This will stop the frequent recreation of deleted nonsense (Such as Mario (Species) and "Snufit Ball") since those pages will be redirected to the Bad Jokes archives and archived in all their glory. And as many users have noted in the votes comments, it would show new user what to not write. This may seem like Troll feeding, but if anything, Trolls are feeds by overreacting to their attacks (For example: Creating the Patroller ranking just to fight them), recording a few vandal edits isn't that big of a feeding in comparison.

Anyone should be able to edit the archive page, and there shouldn’t be any edits war about what to add/remove. Of course, common sense should play a part here. The Mario page being littered with obscenities can't really be considred funny, the Pirate Goomba article stating the obvious can be considered funny. Use your brain!

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}(The idea comes from this message of {{user|Cobold}} Deadline: March 21, 2008, 20:00

Support

 * 1) Blablabla Me proposer Blablabla Me gaves reasons above Blablabla I need a sandwich.
 * 2) - We have so much pages about rules etc., time to show how not to write articles.
 * 3) - Per above. :D
 * 4) http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot; http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif Yes, per all. Not only would it help some new people who don't know what to write but we can definatly store Snufit Ball in there. That will make the Snufit Ball fans stop all this arguing. Or at least, I hope.
 * 5) per all
 * 6) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 7) – you convinced me, as long as it's clearly stated for a newbie that this is NOT what to do.
 * 8) Pokemonfan7002 I agree.
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10)  Per All
 * 11) Well, Blitzwing's a patroller, too, soif there really is a spike in spam, he and I will be right alongside cleaning up the mess.  We can always remove it...
 * 1)  Per All
 * 2) Well, Blitzwing's a patroller, too, soif there really is a spike in spam, he and I will be right alongside cleaning up the mess.  We can always remove it...

Oppose

 * 1) - If the point is to help to stop people from recreating deleted articles, it would make more sense to just block creation of said articles than to create another page that's just going to end up being huge and difficult to load.
 * 2) - DO NOT FEED THE FREAKIN' TROLLS! We don't need MORE vandalism to come from this. Any User with common sense knows that they shouldn't vandalize, even if they are new; the whole thing seems pointless.
 * 3) - Honestly, I think this is WORSE than that Pie proposal. Why would we give spammers their own page! They feed on people being aware of them!
 * 4) Per PY and DP
 * 5) MarioGalaxy2433g5 {Talk} - This wiki will become an encyclopedia of sillyness
 * 6) Per Stumpers and DP, we have too much user fanon as is.
 * 7) Per ALL! HyperToad ESPICALLY PY.
 * 8) Tykyle It'll only serve to patronize people who are honestly trying and to give the trolls even more attention.
 * 1) Tykyle It'll only serve to patronize people who are honestly trying and to give the trolls even more attention.

Comments
Ghost Jam, I don't think the point is to stop people from making deleted articles, it's just to put vandalism/dumb writing that you found funny on a page people can view. I would have thought that at least you would understand that it's just for fun. <_< N/O
 * Plus, it could help n00bies to learn how not to write. :P

I don't know. At first I thought this sounded silly and unprofessional, but we are a Mario wiki, meaning we don't have to be serious about everything. It would teach new guys how not to write, and it might stop nonsense articles. I'm not sure whether to vote yet, though. whoops, forgot to sign again.

* ahem*, have you guys heard the term "Do not feed the trolls"? If we make a page full of vandalized articles, that will only inspire MORE trolls to come which will lead to MORE vandalism. Trolls vandalize as a means of becomming popular on the Wiki; this page is only going to further their goals.
 * Hmmm, good point. But isn't most of the stuff just going to be bad User writing? Like the Pirate Goomba thing. I'm no expert, but aren't most Troll edits piles of... er, excraments? Like Willy on Wheels moving everything to _____ on wheels. That's not funny, that's idiotic. - Walkazo

Pokemon DP: If anything, we feed the Trolls by overreacting to their attacks, such as creating a completely new ranking just to fight them, in comparison, having a few humorous vandal edits recorded on a page is rather minor. And beside, why a vandal would vandalize the wiki to "becomes popular"? That's broken logic.

As Walkazo said, the Bad Jokes archive will be mainly filled with bad writing (Ex:The Orange Yoshi article stating that people confuses Brown Yoshi and Orange Yoshi, although the occasional humorous vandalism (Such as the Mama Luigi article) can go in there. --Blitzwing 11:19, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

How about just bad writing, not vandalism? Becuase this would be cool, just it is a good point an archive of vandalism encourages vandalism. So just bad jokes and bad writing go in the archive. 14:45, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Well... Bad Jokes and Funny Vandalism = Pretty much the same thing. Unless that by "Bad Jokes", you mean things like the infamous "Pie for "everyone" proposal. Note that not every vandal edits will be recorded on the page. Things like "Mario (species)" should be archived, things like "Mario is a (insert swear word here)" shouldn't. --Blitzwing 17:06, 16 March 2008 (E ber

Hmmm... people on the opposing side have a good point. But it might help us a bit and... it would be funny. 17:42, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Isn't that basely like the Sandbox?? Princess Grapes Butterfly 17:56, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * No. You can write whatever you want in the Sandbox. In the Bad Jokes archive, you archives edits that were on article, you can't go there and write random crap. --Blitzwing 18:06, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Ohhhhhhhhhh, i understand now. Princess Grapes Butterfly 19:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Bad Writing... It seems like you are just insulting the User who wrote the article. Counts as a form of flaming... Does it not?
 * Although this might help n00bs with what not to do, they might be encouraged to spam so they can get their "greatness" archived.
 * Maybe whoever wants to archive a sample of bad writing should contact the person who wrote it and get permission first; some will say no, but others might like the opportunity to laugh at their own mistakes/be a "class clown" for the Wiki. - Walkazo

Argh... torn between two sides. The people on the opposing side have such a good point about this would be saying vandalism is cool. And yet having the archive would be so fun. Vandalism is annoying, but it's also funny; on the other hand... ARGH! I just can't decide! 19:58, 19 March 2008 (EDT) }}

Template:Koopas
SPLIT TEMPLATE 6-0

For those of you who don't know this template, it (presumably) consists of a list of every Koopa species and every character in those species. Most groups of Koopas have smaller templates doing the same thing (i.e. Template:Koopa Paratroopa or Template:Spinies); however, unlike the Koopas Template these lists are small and easy to use. The Koopas Template is used primarily for articles that do not fit into one of the other Koopa groups (i.e. Bowser), most of which are Koopa Troopas and their kin (i.e. Koopatrol). I propose we slim down this bulky template so that it only consists of these "misfit" Koopas; and to cut down on even more of the clutter, I propose we make the much-needed Koopa Troopas Template. Prototype versions of both these templates can be seen here.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: Walkazo

Deadline: March 21, 2008, 20:00

Two Smaller Templates

 * 1) Walkazo - Being the Proposer, my opinions are stated above.
 * 2) Makes sense. Per Walkazo. As long as you're not planning to make a "Dragon Koopa" template. (kidding)
 * 3) Tahts a big template. Per the azo that Walks. Or Walkazo, if you're boring. :P JK
 * 4) Huge Templates makes things hard to distinguish because they are overcrowded. I think we should also split the Yoshi Enemies template, that one is freakin' HUMONGOUS.
 * 5) Too many Koopas. It overfills the old template, so making a second is better, so it doesn't overfill the first one. Heck, a lot of other templates go this way. (Like Blitz said).
 * 1) Too many Koopas. It overfills the old template, so making a second is better, so it doesn't overfill the first one. Heck, a lot of other templates go this way. (Like Blitz said).

Comments
We can't use yours, it breaks the page up. <_< I suggest you try fixing that before you try to get it used.
 * It doesn't on my computer, but I use hexadecimal workarounds and they go screwy a lot so I'll look into that. - Walkazo

Concerning Blitzwing's comment, there are many ways to deal with the Yoshi Enemies Template than splitting it, such as organizing it so all the enemies are divided into sections based on the Enemy Classes, sorta like how I made this species-only Koopa Template I made in my spare time (if it doesn't work again blame my ancient computer). - Walkazo
 * Hmm... That's a good template. Still very large, but much easier to find stuff. That should be what the YI one should be like, cuz that one is really crowded.

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Use of the Term "Clone"
DON'T USE THE TERM "CLONE" 12-1

With the release of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, several users have been arguing and editing back and forth regarding the inclusion of the blanket, fan-made term "clone" in the character articles. The opposition argues that it is a fan term of no solid definition. Its use encourages assumptions on the part of both the readers and editors rather than granting support to in-depth discriptions of fighting styles. The support argues that it is legitimate, pervasive term understood by all and applicable as long as characters share special moves.

{{scroll box|content= Proposer: {{User:Stumpers/sig}} Deadline: March 25, 2008, 17:00

Remove "Clone" From Articles

 * 18:55, 18 March 2008 (EDT) The use of a fan term on a Wiki that prides itself on using only official sources is questionable. Additionally, there is no set definition that all fans agree on.  One can see this by looking at the SSB Wikia, our Wiki, and the Smash Wiki... but that's been merged wtih SSB Wikia now.  If you click the links, you'll see that some sources (us!) only consider it to be a clone if the character is exactly the same while others (them) consider a character to be a clone if they are neaerly identical.  Therefore, the use of the term brings misinformation, as what the writer intends by using it is not going to be what the reader interprets it as.  Also, no character has ever been "exactly the same" -- so our definition is wrong to begin with.
 * 1) Yeah, per Stumpers. "Clone" is not a good term, unless it has been officially stated by Nintendo or The makers of the game.
 * 2) Its not official, its meaning is debatable, it just shortens the articles. Its worthless.
 * 3) Per everyone.
 * 4) HyperToad Per Stumpers. Not only is it a fan-made term, but Wolf ang Luigi and a few others' status as "clones" are debatable.
 * 5) Per everyone. Heck, I was the first user to point out that Clone is unofficial.
 * 6) Booster -- Purely a fan-made term. Get rid of it.
 * 7) Walkazo - Per all.
 * 8) Princess Grapes Butterfly Per Stumpers I agree with him.
 * 9) – Per all, it's not big deal, fan terms often sneak their way in.
 * 10) Per everyone.
 * 1) Per everyone.

Include "Clone"

 * 1) Trogga - It's much easier to say "Y is a clone of X" than "Y has a similar moveset to X's".

Comments
I'm not sure on which side to take on this one just yet. There is a debate about whether it is a genuine fan-term or not. Some say that Sakurai said something of the sort, specifically describing the characters that were very similar. Hard to say, though.

One of the most confusing clone acts is with Mario and Fox. According to fan base, they each have 2 clones. These are Dr. Mario, Luigi, Falco, and Wolf. They are all diffrent, but people consider them to be clones. The answer? They're not clones! They're distinctly diffrent, so they shouldn't be labeled "clones".
 * Sorry, but wolf is not a clone.

Hey, Stumpers, you spelled "legitimate" wrong. I corrected it. ;)
 * Thanks. I expanded on my vote (didn't touch the proposal!), btw, so make sure you're still "per Stumpers"!  22:46, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Looks good. I'm even more "Per Stumpers" now! :P
 * All right! 00:17, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Trogga: I'd hope you'd go more in-depth about what was the same and what was different regardless. 21:22, 24 March 2008 (EDT) }}