MarioWiki:Proposals

List of Talk Page Proposals

 * Split Young Prof. E. Gadd from Professor Elvin Gadd (Discuss) Deadline: August 7, 2016, at 23:59 GMT
 * Split the Super Mario Galaxy version of Mecha Bowser off of Mecha-Bowser (Discuss) Deadline: August 7, 2016, at 23:59 GMT
 * Merge Harisenbon with Spiny Cheep Cheep. (Discuss) Deadline: August 9, 2016 23:59 GMT
 * Split from Bramble Scramble (Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest). (Discuss) Deadline: August 16, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines
None at the moment.

New features
None at the moment.

Removals
None at the moment.

Change all critic ratings on series pages to display only Metacritic or remove ratings on series pages altogether
Right now a lot of series pages (particularly Mario (franchise)) display ratings critics and these are mostly limited to IGN and Gamesport. While these two are the most well known critics, their reviews are often subjective and are based on one person's opinion. Metacritic (which is mostly not present) on the other hand displays an aggregate score based on all critics and gives a much more accurate view on the actual quality of a game and I believe that if we're going to have ratings listed next to games on these pages then only Metacritic should be displayed because of these reasons.

However I also willing to propose that we remove ratings on these pages altogether if people prefer that.

Proposer: Deadline: August 8, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Only display metacritic

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.

Remove ratings altogether

 * 1) Honestly, I'd advocate getting rid of the ratings in the table altogether. A lot of entries are created before MetaCritic's inception (until after N64 Paper Mario's release), so a good chunk of games would display the too abundant "Ratings unavailable" statement. Another issue is that different versions of the game can be released and may have different MetaCritic scores, prime examples being games re-released in the Virtual Console, so we have to fit those ratings in that small bar. I personally don't like the formatting of that small bar below the game descriptions in the first place, it meshes pretty badly with the table design. And finally, GameRankings is another reliable review aggregate score and I don't understand why MetaCritic takes priority over it, especially when GameRankings is not far more obscure than MetaCritic.
 * 2) – Per BLOF.
 * 3) Lose it! Per both!
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) - I don't see ratings as being really necessary in the series pages. They should be left for the articles "Reception" sections where we can have more detail and it works better. I'd even suggest a table similar to Wikipedia's for those sections, but that's subject for another discussion.
 * 6) Per Tucayo an BLOF.
 * 7) per all.
 * 8) Per all (especially my sister). Tucayo has also brought up a point I like to consider, particularly, how Wikipedia handles ratings for their series pages, which is a small table. Still, a better example would be this since it shows the entire series rather than just one game. The biggest thing, though, is that how the ratings are handled are only a drop compared to the ocean of problems the series pages are, so maybe the removal should be part of this giant overhaul package we've been discussing for some time.

Oppose
1. - I'm going to be the one - and possibly only - guy who will oppose and say that, while I know Metacritic uses a combined score, I think it's a good idea to have multiple sources for two reasons: 1) Not everyone goes to Metacritic for reviews and 2) so people can see multiple reviews, rather than just one, to get the full story before deciding to buy the game or not (or so people like me can see what other reviewers think other than the ones I follow).

Comments
While I agree with what BLOF is saying about older games not having meta critic scores, having the section there increases the readers understanding of how well the game was received (or how "good" it is), which is what I'm guessing a lot of people would want to see when looking into buying a game, which is why we have the section in the first place. I'm not saying that every page should have a reception page, however I'm thinking that making a critical reception section should only be placed onto newer games that can receive that rating, which is sort of what we're doing now anyway. I still haven't made up my mind, I'll think about this more before voting. - 01:46, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Never mind, just realised that this is for series pages. - 01:50, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

I'd honestly rather just get rid of critic ratings from the wiki entirely. 07:16, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
 * Like I said, they still serve a purpose, hence the reason for their existence. We could change how we make them but I think that they're pretty decent, although older games don't have as much. On series pages I don't think that they need to be there at all. - 07:29, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous
None at the moment.