Talk:Spiny

Species Question
Are spinies considered to be koopas or beetles?--Fg 19:02, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Spinies are a tricky enemy. They have some characteristics of both, but I think they're Koopas, albeit four-legged ones.


 * They are Koopas, but I believe are a distant relative of Buzzy Beetles. They are kinda the bridge between the two species. -- Son of Suns

What could make this article better?
I spent a long time expanding the article, and I would like to know what could make it even better. Any suggestions? InfectedShroom. I have a long-time goal in mind...


 * The article is real nice, but the only problem is that there isn't enough pics. There really need to be more pics, and at least one pic in the Other Appearances section. Paper Jorge ( Talk&middot;Contributions)&middot;

Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima Guide
In the Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima Guide it referees to them as bugs. I think we should mention this. But it refrees Swoopers as bats, Hammer Bros. as koopa-like, Scuttlebugs as Sprongs and Big Boo as Mega Boo. Should we mention this.

The Prima Guides are often a bit flaky, as I don't think that they are made by Nintendo. I have the guide for NSMBWii and it calls Fishbones Wet Bones. I'd leave it for now.

Gallery
We need a gallery for Spinies because there are a lot of images.--YoshiGo99 20:20, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Merge Spiny with Spike Top
I think we should Merge Spike Top with Spiny. They are pretty much the same aren't they? The only difference is that Spike Tops have one spike.

Proposer: Deadline: April 30, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Merge

 * 1) Per Superfiremario's proposal!

Keep Seperated

 * 1) Uh i hate to break it to you but Spiny and Spike tops are not the same in fact there not even part of the same species one is a Koopa and the other is a Buzzy Beetle
 * 2) It's not like Spiked Goombas are merged with Goombas.
 * 3) Actually all three are a species of Koopa but Spike Tops are hardly related to Spinies, they're more closely related to Buzzy Beetles and they are different enough to remain a separate article.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Per Goomba's Shoe15 and my comments below!
 * 6) Yeah, the 2 are too different. Per all.
 * 7) Spinys don't have mouths and the shell is a lighter shade of red than the Spike tops. Spike tops have red eyes and crawl on walls and floors, and ceilings.
 * 8) - They are COMPLETELY different things. Different looks, different abilities, different names in every language, appearing side-by-side in the same games doing different things. Merging them would be completely mental.
 * 9) They are obviously two different species, per all.
 * 10) Spike Tops can't be killed with fire.  They are in fact a cross between a Buzzy and a Spiny.
 * 11) The only similarity is that they're both have red shells, but that's it.
 * 12) Per Platform and SWFlash.
 * 13) Per all.
 * 14) Per all! Different looks, different names, everything!
 * 15) - Completely different, per all.
 * 16) Horrible Proposal
 * 17) Per all! Their only similarities are their red shells and that they both have more than 0 spikes!
 * 18) Per all. The name of the Spiny is different to the one of the Spike Top in all languages and they are different species.
 * 19) Per all.
 * 20) Per all. They are entirely different species. You can't merge 2 enemies based on vague similarities.
 * 21) Silliest Proposal ever :P worse than merging Bowser with Barney Bubble :D

Comments
your date is wrong it ends on the 29th
 * Actually, it ends on the 30th (at 23:59 GMT). - 23:45, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

there clearly not the same thing just look at them http://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/0a/LakituSpiny.gif http://www.mariowiki.com/images/4/44/SpiketopNSMBW.png


 * Yes and Spike Tops are sub-species of Buzzy Beetles. If they were sub-species of Spinies then maybe we will have a stronger argument, but highly different! 14:54, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


 * These are buzzy beetles, as they have the same form. Spinies don't have a dark space in them between the eyes. Sorry buddy, but I won't vote, for the sake of the wiki.

-- 16:34, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

No good proposal I made, eh? 15:45, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Since the proposer is opposing and blocked(:-/), should this be deleted? Yoshi waker   17:41, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


 * They are completly different. Spinies are immune to fire; Spike Tops are not. Besides, they are seperated in the New Super Mario Bros. Book and should be seperate hear.

Last time I played Super Mario Bros. I killed Spinies with Fireballs. IceShadow talk &middot; edits)  18:47, 3 August 2012 (EDT)

images
I think the spiny article needs more images.

Huh?

 * It says this article needs to be expanded to include more information, but there is nothing left to include. And it should be re-written in the correct verb tense, but it already has the same verb tense that we are supposed to use. Why?M&amp;L Beware my fury! 20:18, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Problem I corrected.
I noticed that someone named the Mario Strikers section, the Mario Football series. This is the British and Australian name. I want to inform who wrote this that this the American Super Mario Wiki. I am not angered, but remember the American names next time. Thank you.

KingKamek (talk)
 * Well an old wiki policy did made it required to change the NTSC names to PAL names due to the game being released first on those regions. So you shouldn't really blame the editors for this. 01:54, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

I don't know what to tell you but Spinies in Paper Mario: Sticker Star are very hard to time when attacking you. Can't you just use a Frog Suit or a Super Boot Sticker so that way they don't hit you? But you have to have timing though or else you will get hit.

Umm.. Weren't spinies in Dream Team?
I'm sure I've seen spinies in Dreamy Driftwood Shore once. Why doesn't it say it's in Dream Team?

Kirby series
Togezo is currently mentioned briefly in this article under names in other languages, but should it be expanded into its own cameo section a la The Legend of Zelda series? The Zelda enemy was confirmed to be a Mario-based element in the Link's Awakening Nintendo Switch remake through one of the Mario-related figures, despite its somewhat different appearance and behavior (though see Shy Guy). I think it's likely that the Kirby series enemy is in the same boat - it has two Japanese names which are both directly based on the English and Japanese name for Mario Spiny ("Spiny" in Kirby's Adventure and "Togezo" in Kirby's Dream Land 3), has a shell attack in Kirby's Adventure that would later influence a similar move by the Spiny enemies in Four Swords and The Minish Cap, and was replaced in the GBA remake (another enemy is believed to be replaced due to a similarity with ). The only thing I'm unsure about is its design, which is redone in a style to better fit with the Kirby aesthetic, but if the same can be said of the later Zelda design and Spike Top can also inexplicably lose a set of limbs, so can Spiny. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:50, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'd support treating the Kirby enemy as a cameo. 08:00, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Sure. 08:11, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I've been meaning to ask this for ages. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:19, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * Another point is how the KA attack greatly resembles the Spiny Egg attack in the first two Paper Mario games. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:48, September 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * All right, so consensus so far is to include it in the article proper, but I want to bring up one more thing I noticed for completeness' sake: on Japanese Wikipedia (and Wikia) pages, Spiny from Kirby's Adventure and Togezo from Kirby's Dream Land 3 are apparently considered to be two different enemies, with only the latter being the Mario enemy. However, I disagree with that assessment for the following reasons: 1) both names share the same exact root with the Mario enemy and it seems far more likely that Spiny was simply renamed to Togezo to make the connection more obvious to Japanese audiences, who would likely not be aware of the Mario enemy's English name, 2) the unnamed appearance of the enemy from Kirby's Dream Course depicts a middling design with traits of both the earlier and later Kirby appearances, and 3) while its offensive move was swapped with a defensive one (which is reminiscent of Spikey from Kirby's Dream Land 2), a couple of other regular enemies have had their attack patterns change over time (for example, Dekabu). If there are no objections, we'll consider them to be the same enemy like WiKirby. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:53, September 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * The wikiA claims that JP supplemental material for KDC called it Supaini like KA. It went from Spiny Egg to Bony Beetle in my eyes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:51, September 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Not sure if I trust them, but I looked it up and it seems that there was a Shogakukan guide after all, so that info is probably correct. I'd liken this situation to how rigid Japanese Wikipedia generally is when it comes to name changes. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:18, September 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Well, I remembered that I actually happen to be the one who added said info there, back when I was active on Wikia. I just forgot all about it. So it must be correct.  LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:40, September 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * Also, in case there's doubt, pages 287 and 295 of Playing with Power: Nintendo NES Classics call it Togezo. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:40, October 15, 2019 (EDT)