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That can be found...
The link to RFA is not a subpage, but rather a section of my main page, and can be found under User:Trig Jegman#Terminology instead of User:Trig Jegman/Terminology. Trig - 16:26, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Super Mario Party notability
I'm not sure what you mean by "notability" but if you want my opinion (since I'm not very familiar with the game my judgements might be a bit clouded but anyway):
 * 1) Sceptical on this one. They're the same boards with the layouts and events changed to accommodate for the open-ended gameplay, but I'm not sure if that's enough to warrant a split.
 * 2) In the same way Challenge Road's worlds have their own articles, I agree.
 * Yes, they are different, and on top of that its Japanese name is completely different (ドッキリマス Dokkirimasu which loosely means "surprise" or "prank"); however, what exactly made you split VS Space from Minigame Space? You didn't get a response from the talk page, and the same information is on both pages.

Of course, proposals would be best for all three. 10:21, October 23, 2019 (EDT)


 * That doesn't answer why you did it in the first place. You should have gotten some consensus first before going ahead with a split. The same should go for this Bad Luck/Unlucky one, and it should be more than just one or two others. And after looking into the River Survival mode a bit more, I'm finding them dissimilar to the Challenge Road worlds and I don't think these small paths are worth separating into their own pages (especially considering, unlike Challenge Road, the minigames are always randomised). This is why I'm suggesting proposals for each one, not just for the boards. 21:25, October 23, 2019 (EDT)

Gold Pass exclusive karts
The Gold Pass exclusive karts in Mario Kart Tour are no distinct karts in the sense that they need an own page. Some of them appear in older Mario Kart games as well, where they do not have their own name. The relation between the "re-colored" karts and their "prototypes" is exactly the same as the relation between the "dressed" drivers and their "prototypes". They do not have their own page either. Tomoto17 (talk) 04:53, November 5, 2019 (EST)

In my opinion, Toad (Pit Crew) differs from the other dressed drivers in the facts that Toads are a species while Peach, Mario and Rosalina are just individuals, and the Pit Crew suit is a general suit, while all the other suits are Tour-related. Whether or not Toad (Pit Crew) will get his own button will determine if he should get his own page. Tomoto17 (talk) 04:53, November 5, 2019 (EST)

Re: New sponsor?
No, that's one of the new ones, there are a couple of new ones in Mario Kart Tour (Off the top of my head I know that there's also a Bowser computer company, MES and the Racer's drinks), and I'll get around to making the article for those soon, I'm quite busy at the moment so I haven't had the time just yet. Thanks for the stuff that you've been doing for the Mario Kart Tour sponsors, that'll really help me out when I get around to adding some more to the articles. :) BBQ Turtle (talk) 13:34, November 20, 2019 (EST)

Rabbit
I can understand the Beetle (character) move, but I don't think Rabbit (character) is clear. The Rabbits in Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario Odyssey can also be regarded as characters. 16:38, November 20, 2019 (EST)
 * Sure, but they don't need a name to be very obviously seen as a rabbit. They talk to the player and are active in the games, so they are by all definitions a character. They are referred to as simply "rabbits" in the manual, I think. tbf, I missed the mark on the ones in Odyssey, they don't talk to anyone it seems like. My point is, "Rabbit (character)" can refer to more than just the one in Donkey Kong 64. 17:31, November 20, 2019 (EST)

RE:Super Mario Maker 2 official courses
Hey there! Why, yes, I do know of some official Nintendo courses in Course World, such as one with the Superball Flower. I can help you with anything you need regarding that. 22:13, November 25, 2019 (EST)

I have added the current official courses for both NintendoJP (Japan) and NintendoUS (US). All of the US courses are there, while there are some Japan courses missing because I couldn't translate them from Japanese symbols to English. 641-9CJ-J9G is a course ID for NintendoUS, and 6GV-3YY-7QF is a course ID for NintendoJP. If you need help with anything else or if you can help me with some of the other courses, please let me know! 19:02, November 28, 2019 (EST)

Levelbox parameters for Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey enemy squad levels
Hey. I just wanted to remind you that since there's an enemy squad level for all levels in both Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s Journey, I decided to add a parameter for the squad level that's featured in the game. Once again, I just wanted to let you know about my change on the Levelbox template since I get nervous whenever I do a major change to something on this wiki...

0:33, December 2, 2019 (EDT)

BBQ Turtie
While I appreciate you looking out for others, there's no need to make possibly impersonating accounts just so we can block them. That is actually a violation of our rules, as it falls under duplicate accounts. If someone makes a impersonating account (which has happened before, even to me, but that's beside the point), just report them and let us deal with it. 14:09, December 7, 2019 (EST)
 * Yeah, I know you were trying to help, which is why I didn't warn you for it. But it's more trouble than it's worth, one variant of the name isn't going to stop anyone. "BB0 Turtle", "BBQ Tvrtle", or even "33Q Tirtle" are all possibilities. It is also possible someone comes up with a similar name and doesn't know about the staff member, and thus no hostility. There are several members with "Alex##" that were created both before and after me (though, granted, it's a popular name choice, it seems), so we really just treat each account on a case-by-case basis before determining what should happen with them. 20:44, December 7, 2019 (EST)

Warning
Your "second reminders", as well as this noticeboard report, could have been avoided if you had closely examined the circumstances surrounding the "issue" first. The former in particular, handing out a reminder based on the redirect being "seemingly" invalid or something you're not sure about is entirely unacceptable, when the better course of action would have been simply to ask where it came from. Be more careful when issuing reminders/warnings next time. 07:57, December 11, 2019 (EST)

Checking In
How's it going with the Super Mario Maker 2 official Course World levels? I have been working on some articles for Ninji Speedruns. As always, let me know if you need help with anything, and I will let you know if you can help me. I can upload images to those NintendoUS and NintendoJP pages, if you'd like. 15:33, December 13, 2019 (EST)
 * I have just checked and refreshed, and it doesn't look that way. I'm not sure how the Ninji Speedrun release dates work...I will check again tomorrow. 22:12, December 13, 2019 (EST)

About Fly
I would have moved that myself, it was just late and I was tired and didn't want to change who knows how many links. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:54, December 14, 2019 (EST)

Temple of the Triforce
Excellent work on that Super Mario Maker 2 level Temple of the Triforce. I tried doing it myself, but I found it confusing and complicated for me. I'm glad someone finished it. Still waiting on that Ninji Speedruns level...there is another project for SMM2 I hope to start soon. 15:54, December 16, 2019 (EST)
 * I will do that. I could only find videos for NintendoJP and NintendoUS on the internet. However, I do have a switch account. 11:50, December 18, 2019 (EST)

RE: New York Minute
No, because this is the case with every track with numbered variants (esp. given more will eventually come out). 06:40, December 19, 2019 (EST)


 * There doesn't need to be a proposal. I'm surprised Vanilla Lake hasn't even been created yet. 19:07, December 19, 2019 (EST)

SMM2 / Merry Christmas
I was able to finish those three levels, although one or two of them could use a look-over. It feels so good to finish. I definitely won't be playing anymore Nintendo official levels anytime soon, although I will continue to write articles for Ninji Speedruns courses, as well as look over already finished Super Mario Maker 2 levels and fix them up a bit. Merry Christmas! What do you plan to work on? 21:47, December 25, 2019 (EST)

Copy-pasting information
This is something I tried to bring to your attention in this edit summary. When you write about a new subject, you have a tendency to take the wording as-is from a page that describes a similar concept and simply apply it onto your new page. In some cases, such as the Banana Barrels or kadomatsu pages (both of which were created by you), copying information from similarly-working subjects (Mushroom Cannon and Festive tree respectively) can easily lend to mistakes, apart from being a lazy practice and giving the reader unpleasant deja vu. Case in point, you seemed to assume that since kadomatsu have basically the same purpose of festive trees in Mario Kart Tour, this must mean that they share all the tid-bits apart from appearance. Well...


 * they don't shake when hit, they jump up in the air
 * saying that at least one kadomatsu was added in every course of the New Year's Tour is technically correct; however, the phrasing worked better for the festive tree since there were visibly fewer in each course due to their large size, whereas kodomatsu are smaller and always found in large numbers (from what I could see myself). It's important to make a clear image in the reader's head beyond, something which I admit I'm not perfect at but I always try to do.

Remember that some pages, such as those on Mario Kart Tour karts and gliders, may indeed communicate their information better through a formula, simply because they don't have much going for them individually--essentially, "this is a [thing] in Mario Kart Tour, is classified as a [class], and gives you [that] when you use it". I myself have done this in this past, so I'm not saying that you should stop the practice entirely. But you have to know when it's appropriate to copy and paste information and when it's not. You are a hard worker with good intentions, so I hope you will receive what I wrote with positive thoughts that you can improve your writing style. -- 14:22, January 1, 2020 (EST)

Re:Ninji Speedrun
Just checked the notifications. No new speedruns yet...but you can now upload a max of 100 courses instead of 64, so that's something. I will check again at 8:00 tonight - I think that's usually when they are uploaded. 19:14, January 7, 2020 (EST)
 * 8:00 - I'll have to remember that. Thanks for letting me know. I will continue to write articles for new Ninji Speedruns, if that is all right with you. I look forward to helping you with future projects. 20:11, January 8, 2020 (EST)

RE: ON/OFF Conveyor Belt
Don't see why not, and yes, I think the switch should be mentioned to some degree on the ON/OFF Switch page. 19:40, January 11, 2020 (EST)

Re:"Fake" video
Okay, here's some proof: I'm pretty sure that this ending is fake. If you can find some official confirmation or multiple reliable sources confirming it, it can be re-added. 14:17, January 24, 2020 (EST)
 * The original uploader of the video has posted fan-made "endings" of other games, like this one.
 * If Mario sprites and sound effects really were outright used, Nintendo would've taken the game down.
 * Spriters' Resource doesn't have any sprites of the Mario content, and for such a popular game, it certainly would be up there already if it was real.
 * There are no reliable sources covering this supposed ending of the game.
 * There's only one low-quality recording of this ending. Whenever a challenge like this becomes popular, you can find a bunch of uploads of people beating it.
 * Nobody can agree on what happens when you "beat" the game; do you just keep going, is there a death barrier, does Mario appear, what happens?

RE: Question
There are also other similarly reworked boss-turned-normal-type microgames like Loot Scoot and Home Run Derby to consider so you should get consensus on this. 04:48, January 30, 2020 (EST)

Autograph
Just going to throw out that I find it ironic that you split things that have the same name and sprite, but not the ones with enough differences to actually deserve splitting. Just because the context is slightly different doesn't really warrant a split. That would be like splitting off every individual Super Mushroom location. I don't agree to this at all, cool off. You're on a rapid slippery slope here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:08, February 9, 2020 (EST)
 * As a matter of fact, I have seen multiple people disagree with this. It's not that they're different items; rather, they're different instances and interpretations of the same item. It's one thing to do it when they have the same name but different sprites in unrelated sections of the same game, but when they have the same sprite and names in different games...that's absolutely different from Elevator Key. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:59, February 9, 2020 (EST)
 * I literally just explained why that situation isn't a precedent. Those had different sprites in the same game, the autograph has the same sprite and name in different games. There are some shared sprite items that due warrant different articles (like Zess Frappe and Snow Cone), but this isn't one of them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:56, February 9, 2020 (EST)
 * Yeah, no. I'm with Trig and Doc on the "splitting identical objects" thing. Why don't we split "blaster" Bullet Bills from "outta nowhere" Bullet Bills? Or split every single Goomba in Super Mario Bros.?
 * What I'm getting at is that this needs to stop. Admin opinions aren't magically higher on the established opinion hierarchy than the opinions of regular users. 10:22, February 10, 2020 (EST)

Your proposal to split the Unlucky Space Article
I know it behaves more like the Bowser space, but what else makes it SO different that it was "SUPER DUPER important" to split it!?--Partier (talk) 22:29, February 10, 2020 (EST)

Last warning
That's enough with the trigger-happy page-splitting. Start proposals before making large changes like this rather than basing them on other, separately proposed matters. Yes you have to wait two weeks, but it's better than taking premature action based on little to no consensus and then running into disagreements after the fact. Also, understand that this sort of stuff should be determined by the community; you should be asking admins to get an opinion on the matter, not outright permission. 08:07, February 13, 2020 (EST)


 * This gun-jumping has been an issue even before this that I thought a warning was necessary. I will say those splits shouldn't have gone without further discussion, but that was years ago and it's done now. Fortunately they were similar cases to the proposal, and some of yours may be too, but if you want to cite a proposal as a precedent, you should do it through your own, not through the split itself. Otherwise we take it too far and end up splitting things that are dissimilar to what you're basing them on. It takes time but it's the safest option and gets proper consensus. 21:14, February 13, 2020 (EST)

I don't see how that's a precedent since the pieces (which also aren't proper-noun) actually make up a whole of something and the Star Cures don't. There's also Cobalt Star. 21:14, February 13, 2020 (EST)

Regarding proposals over major coverage changes
Hi, I'd like you to note how when I want to suggest a change, I put a talk section on a talk page and let that sit for a while and see if it garners much opposition. If it doesn't, then I know it's probably safe to go ahead and make a proposal. Rushing in to making one is risky, it's really best to test the waters for a while first rather than do what amounts to making one on impulse. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:13, February 17, 2020 (EST)

Response given
See here. Trig - 17:40, February 24, 2020 (EST)

Ninji Speedrun Alert
New Ninji Speedrun! Super Mario World style, desert theme, vertical subworld. Sounds interesting. And simple. Would you mind if I wrote it? 10:31, February 26, 2020 (EST)

Bowser Statue Proposal
You might be a bit confused with how the proposal is handled. There are four voting options, not two, which means one has to have a majority vote by more than half of the total number of voters. 12:18, February 27, 2020 (EST)
 * "Six voters, four in favor of option 3, three in favor of option 2."
 * ...Hmm, I counted seven. That would mean it would need more than four (rounding up), which would make the extension and Waluigi Time's vote valid. I guess I counted someone twice. Never mind, sorry about that. 12:26, February 27, 2020 (EST)

Hey there!
Hey there, Toadette the Archiver, I'd like to say a big thanks to you for helping me update the Did You Know? section. I'm really sorry, but I had to deal someone who tested positive for the coronavirus. (And I miss L151 too!) Again, thank you! Stay safe and stay home! ฬคгเ๏ кคгՇ 63 (User page - Talk to me!) 00:41, May 25, 2020 (EDT)

RE: New Collab
That sounds excellent! It has been a while since I started a new project. I have mostly been reuploading files for better quality and rewriting something or other. As you probably figured out, I enjoy making consistent level articles. In the meantime, I will also rewrite and expand the requested articles. Something I have been doing with another user on Luigi's Mansion 3, how about one of us goes in order and the other goes in reverse, and we meet in the middle? 18:43, May 26, 2020 (EDT)

This
Before willy-nilly trying to move pages because only one name is cited, check the game to see if the uncited name is used within. This was a problem I needed to fix on Arrow Lift before. Even if you don't have the game, YouTube is a thing. I looked up "Chimp's Skating Challenge Mario" and found the name within 15 seconds. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:14, June 13, 2020 (EDT)

Talk
What do you mean by some pages aren’t stale yet? They are quite old. 17:37, June 27, 2020 (EDT) 17:37, June 27, 2020 (EDT)
 * Actually never mind. 17:41, June 27, 2020 (EDT)

Screwtop raft
Limited Raft seems to be the correct name. Encyclopedia ' s New Super Mario Bros. Wii section refers to the raft as 「カウントイカダ」 (Kaunto Ikada, Count Raft) on page 149 and the non-numbered elevator as 「リモコン上昇リフト」 (Rimokon Jōshō Rifuto, RemoCon Rising Lift) on page 151, and its New Super Mario Bros. U section refers to the raft as 「カウントリフト」 (Kaunto Rifuto, Count Lift) on page 215 and the numbered elevator as the identical 「リモコン上昇リフト」 (Rimokon Jōshō Rifuto, RemoCon Rising Lift) on page 217. This case doesn't seem too dissimilar to the instance of Screwtop Lift using the name for Screwtop Platform. Anyway, I want to bring this up regarding two other objects that don't have a proper English name. For the "Screw-type Mushroom", policy states clearly to use romanizations as article titles, generally following the. The main exception is when the Japanese word was originally a transliteration of an English word; for example, rifuto is a transliteration of the English word "lift" into Japanese characters, so we would use "lift" instead of "rifuto" for a title unless there's some special reason for it. That said, I do have an alternative to using "Neji-shiki Kinoko" - I found that the internal filename is lift_spin_kinoko in both games, so we can use "Spin Kinoko Lift" since that's more understandable. For the "Ice Seesaw Shroom", I found the internal filename for that as well - R_lift_kinoko_shiso - but in this case, I'd suggest not using it as the name. The reason is that it's just a revised copy of Seesaw Shroom - lift_kinoko_shiso - but with an "R" prefix that indicates an object new to New Super Luigi U (see "Luigi Block"). We might be able to use it as a reference point to change the title to "Seesaw Shroom (ice)" or "Seesaw Shroom (blue)", though - preferable the latter since calling it ice seems a bit speculative. LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:00, July 1, 2020 (EDT)
 * Challenges: Coin Collection Bonus Videos refer to Turning Floors and Pendulum Platforms (also the phrase revolving coins at one point). You'll know exactly what they are looking at the pictures since they're semi-common in multiple games. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:06, July 1, 2020 (EDT)

RE: Screwtop Shroom
We never translate Japanese names for titles. Policy clearly states we romanise them. 22:45, July 1, 2020 (EDT)

Re:mote-Control objects
So my usual method for inspecting Wii files via homebrew is somehow not working right now, but I can tell you what they probably are by looking at the filenames I have on hand (a shame because I wanted to take a closer look at the ice objects to make sure that Ice Chunk was not a repurposed object). Five .arc filenames starting with "remo" are remo_kanaami, remo_lift, remo_lift_line</tt>, remo_lift_soroban</tt>, and remo_lift_up</tt>. The fence is most likely remo_kanaami</tt> and I imagine the track platform is remo_lift_line</tt> (though it could just be the track itself). If you want Prima, the term "shifting panels" comes up consistently for the fence on pages 44 and 45, but it also refers to non-remote-controlled long fences as such in the latter and the track platform is just generically called a "platform" on page 142. As for Encyclopedia, the fence is 「リモコン金網」 (Rimokon Kanaami, RemoCon Wire Netting) on page 151 and the track platform is 「スイッチ式リモコンリフト」 (Suicchi-shiki Rimokon Rifuto, Switch-type RemoCon Lift) on page 150. The Encyclopedia names would be your best bet, at least until the filename for the platform can be verified. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:10, July 8, 2020 (EDT)

That anonymous user
I'd probably advise against reverting that edit until that user gets blocked, because they're just going to put it back regardless. I've already reported on the admin noticeboard too.

RE: Toad Captain
"Lost Sea captain" would work since you sail his ship through it. 09:17, July 22, 2020 (EDT)

Revision sniping
Hey there. Please keep in mind to not cut in while a user is making revisions to a page. Even if you spot an error, if the other user is actively editing it's best to wait until you're sure they haven't spotted it themselves or not busy making further improvements. Thanks for considering.

11:08, August 5, 2020 (EDT)


 * Yo, please remember this. You been jumping in on people's editing recently, and it's getting annoying. To my recent memory, you have done this to me eleven days ago and now not giving Fawfulthegreat64 enough time to add her uploads to the gallery. Please give people time to make adjustments and finish what they are doing before you start jumping in and trying to help. I usually wait about twenty minutes for them to finish or notice their mistake, unless it's something very wrong, so you can try that. 12:40, August 24, 2020 (EDT)

RE: Quotes vs. no quotes in song titles
The CDs use quotes because that's how they're named in the inventory. 00:21, August 7, 2020 (EDT)

Flip Panel
Those are also in SMW and Sunshine. Thought that'd be relatively common knowledge o.o Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:35, August 10, 2020 (EDT)

RE: Flip Panel
One named "Flip Panel (Chain-Link)", the other "Flip Panel (platform)", since general type and series identifiers are inapplicable here. 00:29, August 11, 2020 (EDT)

Re:round 2
In order: For titles, I'd go with "UD Kinoko" or "Updown Kinoko" (may want a second opinion), "Switch Lift", "Sky Move Lift", "Updown Kanaami", "Hone Lift", "Elevator Lift", and "Mario Brothers Yuka", respectively. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:10, August 13, 2020 (EDT)
 * In the New Super Mario Bros. Player's Guide, the term "mushroom platform" is used on pages 72 and 73 for the World 5-4 platform, but that can be confused for the normal type. I'm not sure what its internal name is in the original game, but in New Super Mario Bros. 2, it is kinoko_UD</tt>, which presumably stands for "kinoko_updown" judging from other filenames seen below. 「上下に伸びるキノコ」 (Jōge ni Nobiru Kinoko, "Updown-stretching Mushroom") on pages 118 and 200 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.
 * The World 2-C platform that moves to the right when stepped on is lift_ride_move</tt>. 「スイッチブリフト」 (Suicchi Rifuto, "Switch Lift") on page 200 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.
 * The golden ship in World 5-A is lift_move_sky</tt>. It isn't individually labeled among the game's items & obstacles in Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.
 * The movable fence in World 5-Castle is kanaami_updown</tt> (regular fences are kanaami_line</tt> and spider webs climbable as fences are kanaami_spider</tt>). 「移動金網」 (Idō Kanaami, "Moving Wire Netting") on page 199 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.
 * The bony raft in World 5-Castle is lift_yogan_bone</tt>, also the same for its textures as part of the world map (CS_W6</tt> - incidentally, World Mushroom is CS_W7</tt>, World Fire Flower is CS_W8</tt>, and World Star is CS_W9</tt>). New Super Mario Bros. Wii and New Super Mario Bros. U consider the rail object separate. 「ほねリフト」 (Hone Rifuto, "Bone Lift") on page 201 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. - the English version calls it a "Spine Coaster" on page 201 based on the wiki.
 * The rising and falling World 6-B platform is lift_ride_updown</tt>, same with diagonal version that appears later in the level. 「エレベーターリフト」 (Erebētā Rifuto, "Elevator Lift") on page 199 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.
 * The orange platform also isn't mentioned in the New Super Mario Bros. Player's Guide, despite being shown on the level layouts on page 29. Again, I'm not sure what it's called in the original, but in New Super Mario Bros. U, it's, aptly enough, <tt>mario_brothers_yuka</tt>. 「マリオブラザーズ床」 (Mario Burazāzu Yuka, "Mario Bros. Platform") is the name of both versions on pages 119 and 217 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.

Doesn't take priority
Doesn't it? LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:39, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
 * There's what Doc said though, and that discussion still has the tag up. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:48, August 19, 2020 (EDT)
 * I see. I think there's a difference, though, in that both Arrow Lifts are platforms, whereas the Flip Panels are different types of objects? It wouldn't hurt to double-check with Mario jc just to be safe. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:31, August 19, 2020 (EDT)

It shouldn't, they're correct as they are now. Consider the popularity of the subject itself, not the source of the name. 01:10, August 20, 2020 (EDT)

Nail
What about the poundable nails in places like Puzzle Plank? Should those count? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:32, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Ah, sorry, I was distracted with finishing a class video. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:37, August 20, 2020 (EDT)

Vandal report
I don't remember where the other "Super Mario 3D World Deluxe" posts were. Do you? 12:04, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * Okay, no problem. I'll check some talk page histories, but the report will just be removed if I can't find anything. 12:08, August 23, 2020 (EDT)

New things
Anything new with you about the wiki? Benjaminkirsc (talk) 15:26, August 25, 2020 (EDT)