Talk:Kamek

Can we find a better picture for Kamek? This is just a generic Magikoopa from Super Mario World.--son.of.suns@gmail.com 22:49, 25 April 2006 (EDT)


 * Google 'Kamek Koopa,' find an image, save it, then upload it to the wiki. Switch out the images, and, shazam!, instant-Kamek. Though, really, what's the difference between Kamek and the average Koopa mage? --DarkInsanity (talk)

SMRPG Kamek
Just decided to say I got that information from the Wikipedia page while looking up Kamek's appearances. Since it had been there awhile without the "citation needed", I just stick it here, probably should have looked it up more.. -- Sir Grodus


 * I believe that that Magikoopa was Kamek, even if all Magikoopas are called "Kamek" in Japan. He says "Is that...my son?" (probably to Bowser) when you Psychopath him. I sorta think the SMRPG stuff should be put back... not that that has all that much to do with what you're saying now. --YellowYoshi398 12:42, 4 February 2007 (EST)


 * The problem is there are lots of Magikoopas in the game. The red one is but one of many (although he is the only one you fight). If you have a direct source from Nintendo saying "Ooops...that was actually Kamek in SMRPG" then we can change the article. Wikipedia does not even give a source for that info. We can put a section at the end of the article about this, and interpretations of the quote, but technically, in the US, that Magikoopa is just another Magikoopa. -- Son of Suns

I stuck some info. in the "Other Appearances" section, though it might be better off in a trivia section. -- Sir Grodus

Bowser's Family?
Why is he in this template (I believe)? MamaWaluigi 00:16, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Because, although he is not related to him, he adopted Baby Bowser, and raised him when he was young. If you notice, in a few games, he is still looking after Bowser, even in the present day.
 * If this is so, then shouldn't it be in the article?
 * Kay-O. Already done.

Since we've seen the Super Mario Galaxy intro...
...Isn't it safe to assume that the Magikoopa in the Mario Galaxy artwork is Kamek? -- Klaus Kratchet

Not so possible, I guess

"Not so possible?" And is the Magikoopa ever actually called Kamek, or whatever Kamek's Japanese name is, anywhere? -- Sir Grodus

In Japan, all Magikoopas are named Kamek. I'm pretty sure the Magikoopa we see in the trailer is Kamek because I doubt Bowser would send a random Magikoopa to attack Mario, not to mention that when character artwork was released, we got one of the Magikoopa and not of a Whomp or Boo or Koopa. -- Klaus Kratchet

Yes, I know Magikoopa is Kamek in Japan, but is it called by Kamek's Japanese name? -- Sir Grodus

It's Super Mario RPG all over again. Hopefully Nintendo will confirm it's Kamek this time, but if they don't, I won't be surprised. - Walkazo

Honestly I don't think that the magikoopa at the intro of Super Mario Galaxy is Kamek, I know it's hard to tell since he just looks like any other magikoopa, but there is not a single clue in the whole game (like a quote or something) that tells you that magikoopa was Kamek... and if he was, he would be the magikoopa boss Mario has to fight instead of Kamella. --Merlock, Fire Shaman

I think someone mentioned a while back (in an edit summary or something) that a player's guide called the Magikoopa Kamek; of course, it may have been a third-party guide, lowering it's credibility significantly. -- Sir Grodus 22:11, 24 November 2007 (EST)

So what now? should we remove the part of Super Mario Galaxy in this article? incluiding the quote and the image at the top (since that's just a normal Magikoopa from SMG)? I would say yes, at least until we get official information from Nintendo and not a magazine or a guide... and for the image, use a Yoshi's Island DS or a Mario Party 8 one. For Klaus Kratchet, is well known that magikoopas are from the elite forces of the Koopa Clan (even Goombella's tattle about em says it), so it's perfectly possible that Bowser sent just a common magikoopa to get Mario, also I belive we got an artwork of a magikoopa because is the first time we get to see one in a 3D Super Mario game (excluding Mario Parties, I said SUPER Mario). --Merlock, Fire Shaman

C'mon.
And evidence of Kamek being Bowser's adopted father is... Dodoman
 * Yes, he looks after Baby Bowser in Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS, and Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time. That is strong evidence he is Bowser's adopted father.

Maybe we should just replace adopted father with "guardian" or "caretaker" or something. -- Sir Grodus
 * That could work.


 * Caretaker works nicely, for he certainly fulfills that role. -- Son of Suns

Appearance in MP8
Didn't he appear in Mario Party 8 on Shy Guy's Perplex Express and Bowser's warped Orbit? --PaperStriker 04:10, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm fairly sure he did. But, I don't have the game, so I can't really say for sure.
 * I believe he was. If not, sue me. :P


 * It's him in Bowser's Warped orbit. He has the broom. I'll add it to the article.Darth waluigi 21:44, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Kamek vs. generic Magikoopa
If "Kamek" is the Japanese term for all Magikoopas, then how exactly do we even know that one is separate from all of them? For example, in SMW2, does the Japanese version use Kamek as a name or a title? Just wondering... Thanos6 00:59, 9 November 2007 (EST)
 * Well, think of it this way: Yoshi is both a species and an individual character. Kamek, even if his name isn't different in the Japanese games, is the American name for one particular Magikoopa.  Just because Nintendo of America chose to give him a separate name makes no difference as to whether or not he is a separate character, as we've seen with Yoshi, Toad, Birdo, and a bunch of others.  It's just that we can say, "This is Kamek." instead of, "This is Magikoopa (character)."  19:45, 12 November 2007 (EST)
 * I agree with Stumpers. However I'm a bit confused when it comes to the robes worn by generic Magikoopas and Kamek; in most of the images the Magikoopas' hats aren't white-rimmed, nor are Kamek's in some of them. However other times, Kamek is shown to have a white-rimmed hat; then the artwork for Super Mario Galaxy came out and started causing me grief. Is that artwork for a generic Magikoopa or for the individual Magikoopa who blasted Mario away (who we seem to be identifying as Kamek)? All I know is the presence of the image on both Kamek's page and the Magikoopa's page is getting me muddled up, and it's bouund to confuse others too. - Walkazo

Wait... how can we ebb ure that the Magikoopa in Super Mario Galaxy is the Kamek? FOr what we know, it could simply be a generic Magikoopa. I watched the intro, and that Magikoopa isn't identified as Kamek anywhere. Glowsquid

I'm beginning to think we should just remove the SMG section and artwork, so far the only thing identifying the Magijoopa as Kamek is a Prima Guide (according to an edit summary). -- Sir Grodus 15:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 * Stinking Prima... I've made more than one false edit b/c of them. I think I remember that they messed up SMSun's enemy names in my guide.  Prima gives good info, but they tend to draw conclusions overmuch.  07:05, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Wrong.
That was NOT Kamek in the beginning of Super Mario Galaxy! Kamek is almost always seen with his trademarked Broom, and, there are several Magikoopas across the game that look just like that one in the beginning! I'm removing all that info about SMG, OK?
 * That means the picture isn't correct either, right? 07:08, 3 December 2007 (EST)

That is kinda true... TheGreenFire

I don't think that just lacking a broom means that this can't be Kamek, however the lack of any other distinction does suggest that it isn't Kamek. If it was him he'd probably appear somewhere else in the game and have a different outfit.--Kamek101 12:49, 6 December 2007 (EST)
 * Very true. I wonder if he's even still with the Koopa Troop, since his only appearances in the modern time period of the games have been in spin-offs where he wasn't alligned with anyone.  Oh, and then there's Psycho Kamek... who I'm still not convinced isn't our good friend Kamek.  20:03, 3 December 2007 (EST)

He is still with the koopa troop. Present day Kamek went back in time with Bowser in YIDS and actually helped Bowser in M.Party DS, delivering his invites and fighting the heroes as the boss protecting the way to Bowser's board. And he was in Super Princess Peach. Psycho Kamek is too different to be Kamek, in appearance and attitude.
 * Kamek is getting on in years, ya know. He might've gotten senile, and might've even forgot about his past when he became Psycho Kamek. =P Leave it to old people to do that. =|
 * Plus Psycho Kamek's continued attempts to hypnotize himself probably didn't help matters. -- Sir Grodus 07:52, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Maybe Psycho Kamek was a phase that Kamek went through when he left the Koopa Troop for a bit, when Bowser stole the title of Game King in M.Party Advance. Either way, Psycho Kamek probably won't appear again and regular Kamek seems to be form we're stuck with now. Still, it's good to see him returning as fairly regular.
 * Oops. Just so you know, I only have one of the games you mentioned (YIDS) and am only on world 3, so you'll have to excuse me.  I'm not sure why Psycho Kamek is so much different in personality... he still seemed pretty edgy to me.  My philosophy with the Wiki has always been to weave threads together even when they don't exactly fit, such as with Psycho Kamek or Mario and Luigi's Parents, rather than assume that there are two characters, places, etc.  19:49, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Yikes! Sorry about the YIDS spoiler!--Kamek101 12:49, 6 December 2007 (EST)
 * I didn't read all of the spoiler and am actively forgetting the part I did read as we speak, so don't worry. Hey, by the way, who are you?  We need to get your posts signed.  16:53, 5 December 2007

(EST)

I'm Kamek101 and I have only just figured out how to sign a post!XD I read this article a lot and decided to add to it myself, so I signed up. --Kamek101 12:46, 6 December 2007 (EST)
 * Nice to meet you! It's always great to have another knowedgable user here!  23:34, 6 December 2007 (EST)

And it's nice to meet you and the others too! :)--Kamek101 11:42, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Fang?
Since when is Kamek's nickname Fang? --Dann Woolf 08:54, 19 January 2008 (EST)

The official guidebook for SMW2: YI. -- Sir Grodus 16:42, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Mario party DS
Shouldn't the bit about his appearance in Mario Party DS be expanded? It was a pretty major appearance for Kamek, so I think it should be metioned in his actual list of appearances and explain his role and fighting techniques. If everyone agrees, I'll change it. If not, I'll leave it be.--Kamek101 15:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Of course it should be expanded! If anything is in need of expansion, go ahead and do it!

Done! :) Put in a few more sections too, but they probaly may need a little more editing.--Kamek101 15:15, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Mouth
I always thought that the way people could tell Kamek from Magikoopa's was because of his mouth. In YI Kamek has a very wide mouth whenever he talks, a trait that (too my knowledge) is not shared by other magikoopas. Any thoughts? - Ultimatetoad

"In some media, Kamek is said to be Kammy's son, nephew and even brother." What media is that? The two were never in a game together. This sounds like baseless fan speculation to me. 10:52, 29 November 2008 (EST)
 * It sounds like speculation to me, too. Put a cite tag on there or remove it all together.  People need to learn to sight particular sources AT LEAST.  To generically say, "in some ___" isn't enough information.  11:39, 29 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh... how do you put I cite tag on? I never learned.
 * Write: just after the offending statement.  22:13, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks. I decided it would be better to just take away the statement, though so that's what I did.
 * I've only ever enountered Kamek-Kammy stuff in fanfictions (Kamek as Kammy's son, brother and love interest, but not nephew). So yeah, removing it was a good call. - 21:01, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Super Princess Peach
I suppose someone knows his fate after being defeated by Peach? Some of us (myself included) have never played the game, and if anyone knows what happens to Kamek (ie: Is destroyed, or retreats) after his defeat, can they plz put it on here? I know some guy on a forum seems to recall him dying, probably in an explosion, but I need to confirm this, since he says he hasn't played it in about 3 years. Ghostkaiba297 00:22, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Petey Piranha also "explodes", and not just in Super Princess Peach, yet he still appears in current games. The same goes for many other bosses. That a creature disappears in some way doesn't mean that it has to be "dead" in the Mario universe. --Grandy02 06:32, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

Koopa Troop Retirement
Since when did Kamek leave the Koopa Troop for a certain ammount of time?

Super Prima Galaxy
We take information from guidebooks considered as official (obviously, as long as it is the official guide book). When Nintendo Power changed management, they stopped making the official game guides, which is now the job of Prima. However, we don't consider any information in Prima game guides released before they became official as canon. However, Super Mario Galaxy came out after Prima took over. In their guide (premiere edition), they specifically mention (quote [pg 5]) "But Bowser was not fast enough - Mario reached the castle before the starship dropped from the sky. Determined to stand between Princess Peach and Bowser, Mario holds on dearly as the castle is hoisted into outer space. However, Bowser's minion, Kamek the Magikoopa, spots the stowaway. The wizard flies down to the castle and casts a powerful spell, shattering the stone beneath Mario's feet. Mario, knocked unconscious by the blast, floats out into space with the debris as the castle and Princess Peach vanish into the cosmos. Thus, it has been officially stated that the Magikoopa was Kamek, so should we include that in History rather then Possible Appearances?