Talk:Banana

Merge Triple Bananas and Giant Banana into the general Banana article
I read the articles and Triple Bananas are the same as a single Banana, and The Banana article already explains about Giant Bananas (in the Mario Kart Double Dash section, so I propose we combine them into one article.

Proposer: Deadline: 12 February 20:00 Extended:20 February 20:00 2010.

Merge Both articles
 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I am Zero! Yes it won't be a bad idea to merge them since the Banana article talks about them to. Zero signing out.
 * 3) - Seeing as other similar items (i.e. Triple Green Shells into plain Green Shell) have been merged to cut back on repetition, save space and streamline navigation, merging the Bananas sounds like the next logical step.
 * 4) Per all.

Merge only Triple Bananas
 * 1) - But with a condition in my comment below.

Merge only Giant Banana

Leave unmerged

Comments OK, I don't think that this proposal is right because we have the Banana Bunch article and the triple bananas seem to fit perfectly in it. As for the Giant Banana, I you think that should be merged with the (normal) banana article, then you should merge the other giant variants into their corresponding normal-items' articles as well (IE: Giant Green Shell, Giant Bob-omb, etc).
 * That's what I said at the Giant Ninji proposal. It seems more consistent and will knock off a stub at the same time!--
 * But aren't Banana Bunches and Triple Bananas different things? --
 * There is a talk page proposal. It's here: Talk:Banana Bunch.

Mario Kart Bananas
I've discovered that, in Mario kart Wii and DS, triple bananas are a good defensive item, seeing as you can survive three shells and still be going at a constant speed

Split Banana and Banana Bunch
Bananas are single items, different from 5 or 10 bananas in one. They are found in different areas, and they are worth more than one. I honestly think this should have it's own page. I also know that Banana Bunch is not a section on this page, but it redirects to here.

Proposer: Deadline: June 26, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Split

 * 1) I want to split Banana from Banana Bunch.
 * 2) they are different items who appear quite a bit in different games, on a side not we should split giant Banana with Bananas
 * 3) They are kind of like Blue Coins from Super Mario 64.No reason for them to be merged.
 * 4) Per proposal

Keep

 * 1) Banana Bunches are merely bananas that happen to be grouped together. That is not a significant enough reason to support their separation from the Banana article.
 * 2) Per
 * 3) - Per Mario4Ever. The triple banana and Giant Banana had less in common with normal bananas, but they were still merged. Keeping them all together cuts back on redundant, repetitive articles.
 * 4) Per MalleoFooreEvahr.
 * 5) Per Mario4Ever.
 * 6) Per M4E. There is no reason for a pretty much stub article (a bad thing) to be added, for just really what they are is about 5-10 bananas together. Same things really.
 * 7) PA! (That's short for per all)
 * 8) – Per all.

Comments
Oh, don't forget! Two weeks is the proposal time!!Reddragon19k 16:37, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

Banana and Banana Peel
Why are these merged? Bananas and Banana Peels are two completely different things.Bananas from the Donkey Kong series are like coins,are not opened,and don't have a face.Banana Peels from the Mario Kart series are completely different.They serve as obstacles and they look different too.They arent even bananas,theyre just the peels.These were never intended to be the same thing.As LGM said,Bananas are used for various reasons,while Banana Peels are always used to slip people.

Proposer: Deadline: June 27, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Keep Merged

 * 1) Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Mario Party, Mario comics, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, and Mario Sports Mix have banana peels. Donkey Kong games, Mario Party, Yoshi Story, WarioWario, and Super Mario Sunshine have bananas not used to slip people. It's too complicated. Bananas are used as a way to get coins in DK minigames, but they can be also used as obstacles in the same games (Mass A-Peel is a great example). You are using a general solution to fix something complicated. Mario Kart 64's item's picture is a full banana anyway.
 * 2) Per LGM.
 * 3) Per all! Stay merged!
 * 4) Per LaeftehGraenMalleo.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) - Per LeftyGreenMario. Banana peels are just, well, peeled bananas; it makes the most sense to write about all their appearances in one place, rather than forcing people to toggle back and forth to get all their banana-related info.
 * 7) – Per all.

Comments
This is the an article on bananas in general. If you're going to split the two based on function, you may as well split everything else. 22:32, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

Split Giant Banana and Banana
(See Proposal Rule 10)

Giant Bananas have official names appear in multiple games and on top of that split off into multiple bananas when hit i don't see any reason why they are merged with regular bananas and i think they should be split much like how Giant Bob-omb is split from Bob-omb they are different items with similar effects but they are not the same.

Proposer: Deadline: July 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT July 10, 2011, 23:59 GMT  July 17, 2011, 23:59 GMT July 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Split

 * 1) who votes against there own proposal.
 * 2) Per the size 15 Goomba shoes.
 * 3) Per Gs15.
 * 4) Per the fact we have articles about giant enemies.
 * 5) Per Arend. If we're gonna have articles about those giant enemies, which behave the same except they're bigger, why not have a seperate article about a giant item that DOESN'T work the same as it's smaller counterpart.
 * 6) Per Arend.
 * 7) Per Arend.
 * 8) Per all besides there different items
 * 9) Per all.
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) I didn't want a tie and besides, they are stronger. Per Arend.

Keep Merged

 * 1) A giant banana is still a banana. My reasoning is the same for this as it is for the Banana/Banana Bunch proposal.
 * 2) There simply isn't enough info to make a whole article on Giant Bananas.
 * 3) Since Banana Bunch and Triple Bananas are merged, this should stay merged.
 * 4) Sorry, I like it merged! Per all 3!
 * 5) – Per all.
 * 6) - Per all; per the TPP that originally merged the pages.
 * 7) - Per all. A seperate Giant Banana article would just be another stub.
 * 8) - Per all, and the original TPP.
 * 9) - Like M4E said, they're still bananas, and should stay in the article.
 * 10) Per Mario4Ever.

Comments
@Mario4Ever yes a giant banana but is Climbing Koopa not a Koopa Troopa the answer is yes but they aint merged
 * The reason Climbing Koopa is split because they have completely different attack patterns. The only difference Giant Bananas have is that they are bigger, block most hits, and split into three when run upon.

Side note i am in no position to make this article if this TPP passes for i own exactly zero games that the giant banana is in
 * Then you should not have proposed it. Rule 11: The original proposer  (underlined here for emphasis) must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * In the interest of preventing his ignorance of the rules from leading to this proposal's failure, I will volunteer to write the article for him, if such is necessary to carry out the proposal. I have had the game giant banana appears in for about 6 years now, so I should think I have sufficient knowledge to write the article.

My apologies, GS15. I forgot the margin of victory rule, and proceeded to write an article immediately when I saw that nobody else had voted, leaving the score 7-6 in favor of split, causing me to believe it was passed.

Also, is there a rule for this situation? there has not been a vote in 12 days. the consensus is SLIGHTLY in favor of split. However, if we wait for one side to get 3 votes ahead, we need at least 2 votes, and that becomes at least 4 if one of them is an "oppose" vote. that could take a while.. we needed 2 weeks just to get the first 13 votes, and you can expect the next few to take a lot longer, especially after the 12-day pause in voting (because you can assume nobody who has an opinion has seen it in the last 12 days except the 13 of us.)
 * No, but the deadline can only be extended one more time. If there's still no clear majority, the proposal fails by default. It's always possible that more users will vote before it comes to that, however. - 16:25, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

I just noticed Dr. Javelin and Mario Master voted to oppose because they believed it would create a stub. if you'll look on the Giant Banana Redirect page, in the history, you'll see I accidentally wrote an article for it early, because I forgot about the clear majority rule. as you can see for yourself, 3 1/2 inches of writing can be made on this subject, and that's on my computer, which has a wider screen than most, making the article seem shorter than it actually is.. I dont know where the cut-off for stubs is, but this is a good bit longer than most of the stuff I've seen labeled as stubs.
 * ...I still don't understand why people don't get the meaning of "stub" -_-


 * To whom it may concern: A stub is an article that, regardless of length, either lacks information or concerns a subject about which little information can be provided. This latter case generally applies in situations in which it is difficult to provide information to sufficiently differentiate two subjects, that is, their similarity makes it difficult to prevent an article from being a rehash of another in terms of content (such as this situation).
 * @BabyLuigiOnFire well, excuse me for thinking we were using the common meaning of the word stub, which is synonymous with unusually short. I just noticed that all the stub articles I had seen were very short and assumed that was the case


 * @Mario4Ever: and as you can see on this page: [] there is enough information that you cannot just say that it is the same as a regular banana. Here are some examples of differences: Only 4 characters can access it, it has a different facial expression, can be used to completely block narrow paths, splits into 3 smaller bananas when destroyed, has more slow-down effect than normal banana, blocks green and red shells without breaking. as you can see, there are at least 6 Differences between banana and Giant banana. if that isnt enough to say that it wouldn't just be a rehash, I really dont know what you're looking for.
 * In all honesty, the only significant piece of information I found was this: The giant banana also appears one other time as a piece of furniture in the game "Animal Crossing: City Folk."  The part about blocking narrow paths is irrelevant (as is its expression and characters able to use it (Double Dash!! was merged to Rocket Start even though it can only be used in multiplayer)), and except for its splitting into three, its function is more or less identical to that of the standard item. It's not different enough from Bananas to warrant a split, especially since that it still is a banana despite its few differences. @Arend: What those articles have is common is that the enemies about which they are written appear in multiple games. The Giant Banana only appears in Double Dash!!.
 * @Mario4Ever thats not true giant bananas also appear in both Mario Football games
 * In terms of this proposal, Giant Banana refers to the item from Double Dash!!. In those two other games, it is identical to the standard item except in size.

Z-Bananas
Shouldn't we put Z-Bananas in a seperate article, since we have seperate articles for Mini Stars and Mini Ztars? --Dry Bowser rules! 19:29, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Capitalization of "banana"
I don't believe it should be capitalized except when talking about games in which it's capitalized in. I highly doubt that it's capitalized in the WarioWare games. May I get some input on this? 14:28, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Split Giant Banana From Banana
It's been a few years since the last proposal, so I'd say opinions have changed, especially with every single other item or enemy that is currently has an article on the Mario Wiki. Honestly, I think the barrage of links speaks for itself; there is an overwhelming precedence for giving articles to entities that vary from their counterparts in size, so I don't see why the Giant Banana should be left out.

Proposer: Deadline: August 29, 2015, 23:59 GMT

Split

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) I was about to disagree (especially with the Giant ? Block article, I don't even know if that one's necessary) but then I realized that every Mario Strikers giant item has its own page except the banana. Also, Giant Bananas are distinct special items with their own purpose in Mario Kart: Double Dash, exclusive to DK & Diddy and have their unique properties, I feel it does the wiki a better favor when it's split from a regular banana in the Mario Kart franchise.
 * 3) Per all
 * 4) Per all, including the support section in the proposal above.
 * 5) Per all (including my previous proposal).
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) "A giant banana is still a banana". Um, that's the main argument used for keeping the merge of Giant Banana, and it's, frankly, very silly. Nobody's saying that splitting Giant Banana will suddenly confuse readers into thinking that the item is an apple.
 * 8) Huh?! This isn't split already? Wow. Anyway, if Giant Bannas are the same as bananas, then how does Big Goomba get a page? This, and what Baby Luigi has said about it being the only item in Strikers without a Wiki page, make the omission of a Giant Bannana page really inconsistent.
 * 9) Per everyone
 * 10) Per all.
 * 11) – Per all.
 * 12) Per all.
 * 13) Per proposal.
 * 14) Per all
 * 15) - Per all.

Split Banana and Banana Peel
There's a pretty significant difference between a coin equivalent and an item used to trip people. The only reason to keep these merged is that they're both bananas, which isn't really a compelling argument (unless you think all those Paper Mario mushrooms should be merged). Proposer: Deadline: January 19, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) – Per proposal.
 * 4) Per proposal.
 * 5) - Per proposal.
 * 6) Per proposal.

Oppose

 * 1) This isn't as straightforward as you think it is. The reality is, the games treat Banana and Banana Peel interchangeably. The Mario Kart series call these items "bananas" (and at one point even resemble whole bananas), but you're technically using the peel of this banana. One action is providing information for both articles, but how exactly are you going to link the Mario Kart banana? Readers will likely search this banana as "banana" but will the banana in the Mario Kart articles link to banana peel? Keep in mind, this also applies to Mario Strikers, Mario Tennis, Mario Sports Mix and Mario Super Sluggers as well.
 * 2) Per Bazooka Mario
 * 3) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 4) Switching factions. Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 5) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 6) - Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 7) Per Bazooka Mario.
 * 8) The proposal is good reasoning, but I feel Bazooka Mario's reason is even better.
 * 9) Per all.

Comments
I support splitting, but I think the first paragraph should be updated after it to include the other games Banana Peels are in, other than Mario Kart.

"The Mario Kart series call these items "bananas" (and at one point even resemble whole bananas), but you're technically using the peel of this banana." I don't really think the inconsistent naming is enough reason to keep these merged. On another note, the Banana Bunch could probably use its own article as well.

"One action is providing information for both articles, but how exactly are you going to link the Mario Kart banana? Readers will likely search this banana as "banana" but will the banana in the Mario Kart articles link to banana peel?" It wouldn't really be all that hard to clarify that one article is about a coin equivalent/real world food and the other is about an item used to trip people in various games.

Niiue (talk) 18:56, 9 January 2016 (EST)


 * The inconsistent naming is the entire problem with this proposal, which isn't limited to Mario Kart, and it includes Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, Mario Baseball, and Mario Sports Mix which call these "bananas" as well. What are we going to do, put information on this peel in both banana and banana peel? Or make all information link to banana peel via piping (but that doesn't do search results any good, as readers look up banana and get information on the collectible and other things rather than the slapstick comedy they're looking for)? It's not just naming, it's appearance too, as I've shown banana in Mario Kart 64 which appears as a whole banana. All in all, it's a fruitless split. 22:00, 9 January 2016 (EST)


 * I honestly don't get what your trying to say. Can we not just create an article for the peel of a banana and mention in said article that some games do refer to it as a banana regardless of its actions. I still feel like comparing a Donkey Kong equivalent to a coin to an item used to trip people is enough to say they should be separated. It just feels inconsistent to me to keep them merged.
 * Coins function differently in games too. In Mario platformers, they're used to get 100 lives. In Mario Party and Mario RPGs, they're used as currency. In Mario Kart, they're used as fuel. It's a faulty comparison and I think a split would complicate things; Bananas in Mario Kart are simply referred to as bananas for pretty much the entire series. 13:24, 10 January 2016 (EST)
 * I haven't worded it well, but if we create the article for the peel of the banana and mention that some games refer to it as "banana", it still doesn't help will searches. Say, a reader sees "banana" and "banana cup" in the instruction booklet and wants to look it up. The reader will most likely search for "banana" or "Mario Kart banana" rather than "banana peel" or something like that. It would be more inconvenient if the reader has to click on another link to go to desired article. Furthermore, this "banana peel" has appeared to be a full banana at least once, so the games treat bananas and banana peels as the same. 19:10, 11 January 2016 (EST)

How about splitting into Banana (Mario Kart series)? That split would make sense, since both subjects are named "Banana" but the MK bananas have a very specific function compared to the other bananas in this article, which also feels like an encompass-all article. It would make the most sense. -- 10:48, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * Yeah, that seems like the best idea. Niiue (talk) 12:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * It's not a bad idea, but it does potentially open up a can of worms. It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms, as both have clearly different function (one of them is to heal while the other one makes you grow bigger). And what are we going to do with the Bananas that aren't Donkey Kong items? Why aren't they split, but the Mario Kart bananas are? And should we split the Banana item into its own Smash Bros. article as well (since it's not a Mario Kart series item anyway). My twin has also brought up the bananas from games that aren't Mario Kart games, but are clearly based off how the Mario Kart series bananas function (namely Mario Baseball and Mario Strikers and Mario Hoops-3-On-3 and Sports Mix games). I think splitting this article up complicates things a bit, and reserving a specific section for Banana for Mario Kart series when other game series have their bananas function like Mario Kart's just creates even more confusion. 12:46, 12 January 2016 (EST)


 * "It's a bit like splitting off the Mario RPG Mushrooms from the Mario platformer Mushrooms,..."
 * * cough * - Reboot (talk) 12:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * God why am I an idiot. Just ignore that point, however my other points still stand. 12:53, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * And what about splitting up the Banana from Donkey Kong series, since its function is mostly like the coin.-- 12:58, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * I'm pretty sure the original plan was to leave the Donkey Kong Banana just under a simple "Banana" article without splitting it off but the Mario Kart bananas and their skins get split. However, Bazooka Mario has already stated why it exactly won't work, and I had stated why splitting off Bananas into is flawed as well.  13:03, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * Maybe the recurring one used to slip people could be the normal "Banana" article, and the Donkey Kong-exclusive coin equivalent could be "Banana (Donkey Kong Country)" or something? Niiue (talk) 13:36, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * If there were only two distinct uses for bananas, you could try to justify a split, but that's not the case at all. As well as being obstacles in Mario Kart, they're used as similarly slip-causing items in SSB (attributed to the MK games as their origin) and Strikers (and Mario Sports Mix, but as a level hazard, since the bananas as usuable items have different effects); in the DK series, they've been used as coins, health and required collectibles to get to bosses (like Stars and Shines in the Mario 3D platformers); and there's appearances in numerous other series and games with a variety of different attributes. There's no point to separate out any one chunk of the appearances when there are so many equally distinct roles. Best to keep them all in one place. - 13:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)
 * Tucayo: I've thought about that earlier, but decided that it's not a good idea. Bananas aren't strictly Mario Kart as they are a recurring Mario item with a devilish smile that is comic relief fodder. Also, you'd end up splitting Red Shell for its homing and non-bounceable properties. Niiue: that leaves out the Mario Party, Nintendo Land, and Yoshi's Story bananas (and maybe some others given the ). Overall, the suggestions are flawed, and I think the article is serviceable as it stands. 13:54, 12 January 2016 (EST)