Talk:Rosalina

If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com PJ
 * How does it come from there? 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT)


 * GoNintendo says what her name is. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!
 * She was first seen in a magazine (I think it was Famitsu) ad THAT had her name. GoNintendo just had an English translation. 23:38, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Saying she's resembles a White Mage seems too much of a stretch to me. MamaWaluigi 17:25, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Princess?
How do we really know she's a princess? Just because she has a crown?

They officially called her "Princess Rosetta" so she is a princess...

Yes thats true they did call her Princess Rosetta I saw it somewhere before

Oh. I saw like 3 videos and she called herslef "Rosetta". Sorry.

I've checked every single word in the game. she never ever calls herself PRINCESS Rosalina. The only words used to refer to her are Rosalina, and Mama. Never Princess. 18:25, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Just having a crown does not make her a princess. I get a crown in my Burger King Kids Meal. Does that make me a king? Well technically I am a king, but still. No it doesn't.King Boo

Does that mean we should move the page? --Trogga 11:35, 15 January 2008 (EST)

I am Zero! Well actually, a princess have big responsibilities, Peach does little in the mushroom kingdom, Daisy...... what does she do in sarasaland anyways? Rosalina in the other hand takes care of the whole freakin' universe, so I'll consider her a princess. Probably a year or two back there was a proposal to change the page Rosalina into Princess Rosalina, even though I made a good point and I consider her a princess, I would of oppose that proposal until she is called Princess Rosalina in future games. Zero signing out.

She may have been called a princess in early promotional or preview materials, but it seems to have been completely abandoned in the final game. I'd say it's about as relevant as saying she's related to Peach (as in her storyline in development). On a related note, why isn't the Bowser page "King Bowser?" LinkTheLefty 16:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why we should make Rosalina a Princess. The game refers to her as Mother of the Luma not Princess of the Luma.

Zero777 makes a good point and she is Princess Rosalina, I read it on the Prima Guide.--Smileymiley5001 17:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Im not sure if she is a princess.Ive seen pages saying "Princess Rosalina",but she doesent live in a castle but a cottage(accorrding to Super Mario Galaxy2).--Peanutbutter-girl 02:33, 12 March 2011 (EST)peanutbutter-girl

How do we know Daisy doesnt live in a cottage, or Princess Eclair. And where in SMG2 does it say she lives in a cottage?As of what I gathered, she lives on the Comet Observatory, with the Lumas. It could be she lived in a cottage.-- 10:32, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

She said that she is a princess, and nor did all the other characters. Just because she has a crown doesn't make her a "princess"...

In the Super Mario Galaxy thing at the end of the article it says she is a princess. Then should'nt we call her a princess?--Poponana2 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Rosetta or Rosalina?
I've been reading the info, and all its contents refers to Rosetta, the original name of that princess (in other words, from Japan). Rosalina is the European version, so, it would have to move Rosalina to Rosetta again. The reason is that Europe will receive the game early than expected, only for the Super Smash Bros Brawl push back in the continent.

From what I've heard, AND from what I've seen by playing a copy of the full game at Gamestop, her US name is Rosalina. Bob Greenlake 20:52, 4 November 2007 (EST) Okay, I think this needs to be moved. The latest Nintendo Power issue confirmed that Rosalina is infact her US name. Bob Greenlake 21:00, 7 November 2007 (EST) It's only a few more days, lets wait till the game comes out to find out whether it is Rosetta or Rosalina. Mariofanical

I viewed one of her "photos" and on the top it said rosetta not rosalina, but on the rosalina page it said rosalina.--Peanutbutter-girl 02:38, 12 March 2011 (EST)peanutbutter-girl

That's because that's what she's called in Japan...

04:55, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Appearance/Trivia
Isn't this the first Mushroom Kingdom/Mario series human to have an eye color other than blue? (I think they're green, but I guess it's arguable.) If so, I want to put it in the trivia section, even though it is, ahem, trivial.

No. I put the picture on paint, enlarged it, placed a grid on it, and every single box of the grid that covers the eye has a color that is a shade of blue.

Concept Art?
Do we need the concept art here? Also, I heard from another user that Nintendo Power guides were discontinued, so this was false? - 06:01, 11 November 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, the concept art should go. :|

Rosalina
How did you find her past?!?! Where did you find the story of Princess Rosalina Princess Butterfly 06:25, 14 November 2007 (EST)

It's from some library in the comet observatory.

I just making sure it true (in her story book I'm in chapter 5.) Princess Butterfly 17:11, 15 November 2007 (EST)

I'm finished 19:06, 18 November 2007 (EST) how do i know rosalina is the "little girl" it seems very logical, but it's not 100% sure

Delete

 * 1) King Boo- Nintendo power guides were discontinued. And it's just not really important.

Keep

 * 1) Nintendo has claimed Prima to be their official guidebook partners. Therefore all Prima content is official and can be kept. 22:14, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * 2) Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! Per Knife. It's official art anyway, and it helps us find out more about Beta Rosalina.
 * 1) Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! Per Knife. It's official art anyway, and it helps us find out more about Beta Rosalina.

Related to Peach
She was original planned to be related to Peach? Source please! HyperToad

I heard a few days ago from some page that peach and rosalina were really sisters or relatives,but nintendo changed their mind...User:pathfinderwii

Yup there were suppost to be sister but Nintendo decided to keep it as a beta element.

[|This page] suggests she is the daughter of Peach. User:YL/sig.

In French version of Mario Galaxy, epilogue hint that Mario is her father : "I would like once every hundred years, back to my blue planet, and dozed on the knees of my dad stroking the mustache that made ​​his pride." - Daneel

She in SSBB
I read in Rosalina's bio that she is going to be in SSBB. (NPC) Is this true? Source please. Princess Butterfly 11:12, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * We've had various claims, but no one was able to give a source. - 12:24, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * The closest one is GoNintendo, yet they included no image. Paper Jorge ( Talk�Contributions)�

everyone probably already knows this, but Rosalina never made the Final cut. Same situation w/ Darkrai. They were at whobby 2008, but never made the final cut as AT(Rosalina) or Pokeball(Darkrai). They each, however made the cut as regular trophies. I know. It sux. :( Manaphyboy14 23:25, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I heard Tails was gonna be an Assist Trophy too. Neox 14:44, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

darkrai in brawl? (daydreams over how cool that would be...) Lu-igi board 14:17, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I am Zero! Rosalina is not in brawl as a trophy, is she? If she is, show me proof. Zero signing out.
 * Trophy Descriptions (SSBB) lists all Brawl trophies. The word "Rosalina" can't be found anywhere on that page. So no. - 16:27, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii?
She really isn't in Mario Kart Wii, is she? I mean that sounds really stupid, also she is a heavy weight character? She is the only one who has something circling her, this sounds more like a rumor, is she actually confirmed by Nintendo?
 * She is in the game. The game is out in Japan and Europe, and these versions include Rosalina, with a Luma circling her. 'Nuff said. --Grandy02 12:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * She's not heavy weight, but large. They don't have weight, but size classes for the game. - 12:47, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * So she's possibly a middle.

...What? No, she is a heavy-weight. We all know how skinny she is, okay. She's still a heavy-weight though. Fixitup

Rosalina is considered a "large" character because she is much taller than the medium characters. It's the same with Waluigi, who was a "medium-weight" in double-dash - J-Yoshi64

A character who is skinny and tall can be classified as heavy weight as the height can compromise for the weight - BabyRosalina26

Rosalina IS in Mario Kart Wii, I have unlocked her, and she is large. No weight, apparently. She also does have a luma circling her head every race or whatever your doing. So, no, it is NOT a rumor, I own the game. - Isjee594

Not Really a Quote
I don't think “Go! They're inside. Hurry!” is really a quote. A quote shows something about a character. This is just Rosalina saying something. It's not a real quote. Does anyone agree/disagree? 19:49, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

She said it. It's a quote. That's what a quote is. Go Luma :) Bowser's Luma

But even though the dialouge is right, it's considered to be a "generic quote" and wouldn't make sense to post it on her page. The ones we have on there right now are the best ones worth mentioning in relation to Rosalina so far. :) --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:33, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Height?
I read in her physcial description that she is considerably taller then Peach and Daisy are we sure about this? I have directly compared official Mario Kart Wii character art and Mario Galaxy screen shots and reward photos using photoshop opacity and direct measuring and she appears to be the same height or only a few centremeters taller at most.

The only art that seems to show proof of height difference is the Mario Kart Wii congratulations screens, where yes after a couple of tests I found she was obviously larger. Although only slightly. However this is still very little evidence.

I am not saying it should be removed but, perhaps a slight rewording is needed. The description seems to imply she is the same height as Waluigi. I find this difficult to believe as she IS the same height as him when he stands in his usual posture of hunched and knees bent but, if he stood up straight I doubt that Rosalina would be his height at all. We must remember Waluigi's true height is rarely shown as he is always partially crouching to bring him down to the other characters levels. I'm willing to admit she seems larger then the other girls but, not that tall?

Of course if anyone can bring forth any other evidence (on either side of my debate) I'd really be interested. So thoughts please?

I do suggest however that the description be changed to taller then the other Princesses but, the Waluigi height comparison removed. - Despot joil

...Done. :|

Er ... thanks ... sorry I tend to write essays because I'm trying to back up my ideas and I feel bad changing other people's edits without explaining ... :)Despot joil

Sometimes the best move is to edit it first. If someone reverts it, then you can bring it to the talk page to try and work something out. ;)

Identical articles
Rosalina and are exactly the same, but two different articles. Which one should be the main one?

...Wut? is a redirect to Rosalina... :|

Long Quote Not Good
I don't think articles should have quotes as long as that at the top. Then again, it's probably because Rosalina never shuts up. Oh, and is she a princess? WTF?!

A quote is a quote, regardless of how long it is. And she's not a princess.
 * Then why does the article call her a princess multiple times? --Grandy02 04:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Because someone was mistaken. :|

she is a princess
she is an oficial princess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * No Crystal lucario 06:41, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Per Crystal Lucario. She is NOT a princess.

She is never called in the game princess. She does is a leader of the Luma's, but it doesn't make you a princess. Luma's call her mama instead. However, Bowser is the king of the koopa's but his article name is just Bowser. And Daisy is only called a princess in Super Mario Land and after it never again (this is also said on the European mario site).
 * She wears a crown, that's the only thing we can say for sure. - 11:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * About Daisy, she is actually called a princess again multiple times, in her various character bios within the games. But I don't remember that Rosalina was called a princess in the two games she's in. --Grandy02 11:58, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

In most of the spinoff games, the princesses aren't called princesses, but just there normal names. You can't really get information from those games. Rosalina is never called a princess, but she is royal in some way. Lumas call her their mother. It isn't Princess Rosalina, but Mama Rosalina.

I wouldn't say she's not a princess. I'd rather say we don't know whether she is a princess. We could also point out that it is very likely that she is one. - 16:01, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

True. I understand what you mean. I noticed Peach didn't call herself a princess in Galaxy, but we all know she is one. It's the same with Rosalina (she called herself just Rosalina). But we don't know what for leader she is. Queen, princess or just mother.


 * Cobold, we can't say something is likely in an article unless there's a source attached, right? (because if there is no source, it's just speculation) I could swear that in the pre-release data for the game she was called a princess, though. If someone wants to root around on IGN.com I'm sure we could find it. 02:41, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

I thought that was a beta Elements. (I check ING.com)

I think she is a princess because on the storybook, pages with the hill and the tree shows a castle in the background, that's probably Rosalina's. 22:33, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

I found proof
I found some proof she is a pricess. This is the first part of Rosalina's bio in Super Mario Galaxy. The whole bio can be found at the end of Rosalina's page.

Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse.

Move the page?
 * If nothing else, we gotta make sure the infobox has the prefix. Good find. 13:51, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I didn't found more proof. But are we going to move the page?
 * I'd wait for more support. It'd be a pitty to go through deleting the Princess Rosalina redirect and moving this page just to have to revert all of that. If you don't get enough attention, bring it to the main page talk or proposals page (if you make a proposal be sure to mention your proof!) 01:42, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I think we shouldn't move the article until her Princess name starts to become more reocurring. Though we should mention somewhere in the article that she's a princess. 17:03, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Right - just like how King Bowser Koopa isn't as prominent as "Bowser," so we have the article named "Bowser." 23:26, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

More proof found in two packs of Mario Kart Wii trading cards. One pack had a holo Rosalina and the other had a plain one, but the text on the back was the same: "This Princess is loved by all Luma." It also calls her the first female heavyweight.

If Rosalina is a princess, then so is Samus Aran

No, she isn't.

Umm, she wears a crown, and I always call her princess. And there is Rosalina's bio as proof, but I think she's a fairy without wings 'cuz she can fly and has a magic wand. Oh, and Samus is NOT a princess

-- 22:25, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Rosalina's Mother?
Is it worth giving Rosalina's mother a section in the article or giving her an article of her own? (even though it may only be a stub)? Just a thought I personally don't mind either way. Despot joil

In Rosalina's Storybook, it shows her mother twice, but maybe it's not actually what she saw in her dream, because, look closely - she looks EXACTLY like Rosalina. I consider that impossible, since there's no proof her mother has magic, but, also, there's no proof I'm right or wrong (key word or). I just think that it's not what Rosalina's mother actually looked like. Rosalina had some drastic changes made, like her hair was a red shade when she was young. Now it's more of a white-red-blond. Being with the lumas changed her in a way... Rosalina never could have inherited that magic from her parents! Plus, it never talks much about her father. I've been wondering about him...Maybe this shouldn't be called Rosalina's Mother anymore? But, at the end of Rosalina's Storybook, it says she never cried again, and to this day, visits her home by the hill once every hundred years. Did she get over her grief? Was she close to her father? Probably not. I want PROOF that I'm wrong! -Isjee594

Many Rosaline Questions
I need some help figuring this one out. What exactly is Rosalina's home planet?

And what do you make of the fact that Rosalina's mother looks almost (if not exactly) like Rosalina looks now?

Also, what planet are the Comet Observatory and the planetoids of the Gateway Galaxy hovering over? Is that Mushroom World? --

Yeah, it's the mushroom world. Because it says she visits her home planet every something years. Aluigi, The Luigi Legend! Whut Stuff? 21:40, 6 December 2008 (EST)


 * So the Gateway Galaxy, Good Egg Galaxy and Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor are all in orbit around Mushroom World then, right? -- P.S. What do y'all make of those big Starman outlines on the surface of the planet?

Super Sluggers?
On Dry Bowser's Page, it states she was planned to be present. I can't find this anywhere else on this site, though.Nintendofan146 19:18, 17 May 2009 (EDT)


 * The information in question was really not needed on that page (I just removed it). Second, I believe when Rosalina was "introduced", Namco Bandai might have been in the latter part of development of Mario Super Sluggers, so there's a chance they were not aware of her existence. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 20:52, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

Profile Image
Why is her profile image so small? Daisy's and Peach's are a lot bigger. Is there any fixing this? Pyve 14:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
 * The thumbnails you mean? Because the pic itself is bigger than Daisy's. It's probably because that Rosalina's pic is broader than the other two. I looked at the editable version, and I see that Rosalina's on the Profile is 215 pixels, while Daisy's just 200, and Daisy's pic is still bigger, because of that Rosalina's pic is just broader than Daisy's. Hope that helps you.

Princess Peach is rosalina's mother?
I'm not sure if anyone know this already but i think something secret about Rosalina http://kinsmangames.com/2007/12/16/the-secret-of-princess-rosalina/ do you think it true.


 * The blog entry there is more of an assumption to me; it's his guy's own opinion regarding his conclusions. We aren't allowed to post probable conclusions here on the Wiki itself. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 00:44, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

If Peach was Rosalina's mother, she'd be dead. Plus, Rosalina is hundreds of years old. ~RosalinaIsMyTrueLove

Put it in the trivia section? It's pretty obviously not true if you think about it, as such doesn't warrant trivia.--Vommack (talk) 13:26, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Sure, they look alike; Rosalina was DESIGNED to look like Peach! But, no, they're not related. -Isjee594

I would avoid non-canon theories in this article, as cool as the idea might be. -Hateater12
 * There isn't an established canon in the Mario series, but canon or not, this is still just hot air and nothing more. This is a really old discussion that's verging on forum talk, which is NOT allowed here. Read the green template at the top of this page for more information. 16:19, 18 November 2014 (EST)

Please watch these videos. They explain everything about how Rosalina fits into the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWFuEH9HsA


 * We aren't adding any speculation that Game Theory provides, no matter how convincing they may seem. 18:26, 5 January 2015 (EST)

Super Mario Galaxy 2
I think it’s time to start including the characters affiliations with Super Mario Galaxy 2. As of now, her only known appearance in the second game takes place during Super Mario Galaxy 2’s ending cutscene. Are there possibly other appearances of the character during, say perhaps… hidden cutscenes? Doriguin 10:00, 23 May 2010 (EST)


 * Totally,Rosalina also appears in some levels as a holographic-looking shadow that takes over and controls mario/luigi while you watch her skillfully get to the finish,but this is optional,and doing so will give you a bronze star[warning you of this](which will bring you to the next planet, but it will not count as one of the 120 stars)

--Dagago 06:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No, thats the Cosmic Spirit.


 * Yeah, I think we should start that. I got the game today, and sometimes, Baby luma will receive a letter saying something like "My dear baby Luma, I know you're ok and i know you're helping someone [...] may the Stars shine down on you" or something like that, AND when you open the letter, we clearly hear Rosalina's voice. Plus there's a little star stamp on the letter. So Rosalina's sending letters to baby Luma.Sambiss

Actually, in the infobox, the "affiliation" is already there... "Luma" and "Comet Observatory". Luma refers to any type encountered in both Super Mario Galaxy installments, so I believe we've got this already accounted for. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:16, 23 May 2010 (EDT)


 * What do you mean? Sorry, I'm stupid XD Sambiss
 * Oh! I just spoiled myself, Rosalina also appears at the end of the last galaxy, Grandmaster Galaxy. She appears at the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJWYFCutL0 and here's a screenshot for Mario Wiki: http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/GrandmastergalaxyRosalina2.png . She will thanks the player for finding every stars of the game. Also, I noticed that in the cutscene before the last level(Boss of the sixth world, not the grandmaster one), a "comet" appeared in front of Bowser's Castle. That means she's doen't only appears in the ending...We should start writing that on her page. Sambiss Talk 15:25, 24 May 2010 (EST)


 * Her role is kinda similar to Yoshi when he appeared in Super Mario 64.


 * Well yeah, OH, I just found out, in the video posted earlier, that Rosalina, after collecting every stars, will join the others chatacters on the Starship Mario: http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/MOARRosalinainSMG2.png That's cool in a way :) Sambiss Talk 18:23, 25 May 2010 (EST)

Keep or not to keep?
Well, the page has undergone some serious changes recently, but it seems that the article has lost (some) things that were worth to be added in the article. I know it sounds silly, but this is to take a quick solution for this nonsense. let me know what do you think. alright?

A thing that I want to keep in this article is the concept art of rosalina (that sketch from the Prima Guide) but the user wants to turn into like a reference. In my opinion in regards to this matter, why remove it, and take it as reference if we have the image here and use in the article? even an image can explain more than thousand of words...

See the history for some other reasons...

Keep image in the article

 * 1) People are visual learners. You get more from a picture of Rosalina than word descriptions.
 * 2) I am Zero! Per BLOF. Zero signing out.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Nothing's wrong with the image.
 * 5) Nothing is wrong with the image. It is official artwork.
 * 1) Nothing is wrong with the image. It is official artwork.

Comments
It's conceptual artwork for starters, the only reason I decided to write a description about it is because not only was it placed randomly on the article before, hence the still ridiculous image description length which is now especially ridiculous since there's a whole section describing it. Not only that it's not like Rosalina has a long history and she definitely hasn't had real development in terms of her appearance and that's the best you can get. Much like the image comparing Peach and Daisy's heights, it doesn't need to be on the page because when you say something and then follow it up as a reference it's a given when the image being used as a "visual", which I'll touch on in the next sentence, isn't even the type of image commonly found right on the pages. The excuses people used that a visual is better than a written description is useless because the visual is still there, it's just used as a reference, which once I get my hands on the page again Rosalina won't have any of because the one she has now isn't even correctly referencing what the minor statement says about it.

So the points are, this is concept art of a design not even used for the character, concept art I will add that was only released in the official guide for the game meaning it's not even commercially released imagery, there is a large description of the art and the image is being used as a reference, this actually adds a reference to the page which she needs and still keeps the visual intact.

If you still actually think it's a good idea to keep this image on her page that's your problems because unless I go out of my way to vote as well as call up people I know would have some sense about this then I really don't care about how dumb you want to make Rosalina's page look because the only reason I edit her page is because it's easy to set it in the same style of the pages for characters who are actually important like the real Mario princesses. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 00:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe this may sound offensive, but I don't like loudmouthed guys, and overly long texts that gets me dizzy and doing so doesn't seem to be constructive for an article in this wiki. Since you don't want to discuss about that once for all, then I'll assume that this is not needed and you won't make changes for this from now.
 * Uh hello?! I addressed the issue throughly! You might not like me, but there's a difference between being annoying to someone because you have a certain opinion, and being blatantly offensive. And you are offensive. Is that what you wanted? You created a vote to go against my points, but when I thoroughly present them to you use the "too long didn't read" excuse?UhHuhAlrightDaisy 03:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Quote
Is it me or is the quote kinda long? How about we change it for something shorter, like the ones at the bottom of the article?
 * I am Zero! I think it should be changed to "May the Force stars be with you.". Zero signing out.
 * Does she actually say that? If she does we should totally change it to that. There's always something on this page overly long and unnecessary. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 03:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There's only one problem -- so far, from what I noticed, the quote on the page now is definitely meaningful in the case of Rosalina; one of the best I've seen in regards to her and her personality overall in the SMG game. So, I doubt it's really necessary to have that changed. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 05:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there's a quotes section for a reason, and it is pretty agreeable the current quote is over the limits of long. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 02:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am Zero! @UhHuhAlrightDaisy, It is actually "May the stars shine down on you." Zero signing out.


 * I think Zero's proposed phrase is OK, that's her catchphrase and it also tells how Rosalina is.

I'm with Zero. Her current quote is WAY too long and we should really change it to that. Superdaisygirl

Alien?
Looking at the Category:Aliens page, it states that any being from outside of the Mushroom World or Earth is considered an alien. Wouldn't that make Rosalina an alien? As far as I know, she's not from the Mushroom World nor Earth. Although she's pretty hot humanoid for an alien, I think she should be put in that category. Agree? 20:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am Zero! Great reason, I do agree. Zero signing out.
 * Then I will do it.

No, I'm pretty sure Rosalina is from the mushroom world, she just went up into space with a Luma. Anyone who doesn't believe me can read her storybook. - J-Yoshi64 (talk)
 * That is just speculation, it never said she was from the Mushroom world.
 * It's implied. From the final chapter: With more "family members" in tow than can be counted, it's said that the comet visits the girl's home planet once every hundred years, its proud white tail glittering in the sky. Furthermore, the article on the Comet Observatory states that it comes into orbit around the Mushroom World every 100 years, and that the people of the Mushroom Kingdom then hold a festival.

Still, I wouldn't say she's an alien. ~RosalinaIsMyTrueLove

She actually is from the Mushroom World. This is hinted in various parts of the game, which I have already wrote below, and also in her storybook. The Earth part is false enough, putting her in the alien category would confuse readers even more. User:YL/sig 02:24, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

NO! Nothing state that she's from the Mushroom World; hints mean nothing, this is just a bunch of speculation of her origins. She said she was from the "blue planet", there must be billions upon billions of planets in the universe that will be nicknamed the "blue planet". The logic of the Star Festival taking place every 100 years and it so happen that the comet observatory flies over Rosalina's home ever 100 years so that must be her homeplanet doesn't make sense. 1970 to 2070 is 100 years, 1975 to 2075 is ALSO 100 years. What I am saying is that Rosalina would most likely live on another "blue planet" that is VERY far away from the Mushroom World and the times in two different FAR away places are completely different. Let's say if both of those planets were real but began to hold life at different times; let's say the year 1 on the Mushroom World was on Earth years 2004 AD and the year 1 on the "blue planet" was on Earth years 1943 AD, so both of their schedules of from where to where a 100 years go can be completely different. So the alien category must stay on the Rosalina article.

Um, I know that this discussion is old but in her Storybook which shows her backstory, the storybook implies that she came from the Mushroom World and she calls it her home planet plus referred to it as blue. Also she's a HUMAN just like Mario Luigi, Peach and etc. Are you blind to see this? She stays within the same overall universe as the characters on the Mushroom World and what other planet would have human characters on it or from it? Like Earth is where we are, Mushroom World is where Mario and others live on and Rosalina visiting that planet every 100 years does make sense. She has no right to be called an alien.

Rosalina's Mother
This was taken from the List of Implied Characters talk page

During the scenes of Rosalina's story, there is an image of Rosalina's mother, a clear close up of her, but only showing part of her shoulders and mouth (and there is other of her with her daughter Rosie silhouetted), so I think it's possible to make an article of her, since she is seen in the game and not only mentioned as it is thought, or also redirect the link to Rosalina's Storybook.

I think the page would be extremely small and it would stay that way. I highly doubt we'll see any more mention of her. UhHuhAlrightDaisy 02:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Is this part necessary?
"If she is usually traveling through the universe at near light speed then, according to the theory of special relativity, much less time would pass for her than would pass back on the Mushroom World due to time dilation. In this case she may in fact still be a young woman."

Sure, science is good and all, but these theories should be kept to the real world and I don't think we should really be applying this to the Marioverse. 14:55, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Uhhhh... no. And Mario, through all these years, didn't age ;).  02:22, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

Not from Earth
The introduction claims that Rosalina's home is a blue planet. Nothing wrong there. Yet then it continues to say that Earth is also known by that name, giving the false impression that she is from Earth. I don't think thats likely, when you consider the fact that she talks about visiting her home every hundred years, and that the star festival is held and star bits at exactly the same date!? Personally I believe the Earth part should be deleted. YL 02:22, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

She could still be from Earth. It might just take her 100 years to go completely around the universe in the Comet Observatory. Therefore, she could be visiting Earth in a hundred years, and then pass by the Mushroom World every hundred years. Plus, in her story, she says she wants to take a nap in her chamber every 100 years and she never goes down to the Mushroom would to do so in Super Mario Galaxy. ~Why Bother

Goddess?
With her being able to live for such a long time and he incredible powers, do you think it's possible Rosalina is a goddess? ~ Why Bother
 * No. The only characters that really come close to being divine or gods/goddesses in the opinions of characters such as Mario are the Star Spirits. At best, she'd fit the Deist concept, as there is no interaction between her and the area she oversees, but this is all just speculation.
 * What's a 'Deist'? Why Bother
 * They're of the belief that God created everything but does not intervene in human affairs.
 * So...what does that have to do with Rosalina? Why Bother
 * She does not interact with any characters on any planet or in any galaxy other than Mario/Luigi, the Lumas, and anybody who happens to be with Mario/Luigi. Anyway, you're the one who brought up this whole goddess thing.
 * Okay. Topic resolved. Not really a goddess, more of a deist. Well, I'll talk to you all later. Why Bother
 * You misunderstand. I said that if Rosalina were a goddess, she would most likely fit the Deist concept (a deity that does not interfere in human affairs), not that she is a Deist.
 * Gotcha. (Wow, I sure struck up a conversation).

Leave Category:Aliens in the Article
REMOVE CATEGORY 8-14

According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.

And here's the point I'll like to point out why Rosalina is most likely NOT from the Mushroom World with this quote of mine:

''"NO! Nothing state that she's from the Mushroom World; hints mean nothing, this is just a bunch of speculation of her origins. She said she was from the "blue planet", there must be billions upon billions of planets in the universe that will be nicknamed the "blue planet". The logic of the Star Festival taking place every 100 years and it so happen that the comet observatory flies over Rosalina's home ever 100 years so that must be her homeplanet doesn't make sense. 1970 to 2070 is 100 years, 1975 to 2075 is ALSO 100 years. What I am saying is that Rosalina would most likely live on another "blue planet" that is VERY far away from the Mushroom World and the times in two different FAR away places are completely different. Let's say if both of those planets were real but began to hold life at different times; let's say the year 1 on the Mushroom World was on Earth years 2004 AD and the year 1 on the "blue planet" was on Earth years 1943 AD, so both of their schedules of from where to where a 100 years go can be completely different. So the alien category must stay on the Rosalina article."''

Here another point I'll like to make by countering this one:

"The introduction claims that Rosalina's home is a blue planet. Nothing wrong there. Yet then it continues to say that Earth is also known by that name, giving the false impression that she is from Earth. I don't think thats likely, when you consider the fact that she talks about visiting her home every hundred years, and that the star festival is held at exactly the same date!? Personally I believe the Earth part should be deleted."

No, the game never claims that the Star Festival is held on the same day, of the same week, of the same month when Rosalina visits her homeplanet and there's an unknown number of comets that can fly through that region of space visible from the Mushroom World.

Here's an example: Ok, let's say the very first Star Festival is held right now and now let's say The Comet Observatory left its homeplanet onto its voyage across the universe 3 years from now. That is a more likelihood then the theory that there on the exact same date.

'''Look it, call it speculation whatever you want, but my is more logical and more likely then the opposing theory. The opposing theory is basically placing their money on a 1 in a 100 chance that they are the same sequence year, 1 in a roughly 363 to 367 chance that it is even in the same day, 1 in a 1 to ∞ that the comet flying over the Mushroom World during the Star Festival is the Comet Observatory, 1 in a millions upon millions chance that the "Blue Planet" is the Mushroom World, a small chance that she lived in the Mushroom World (or Earth), and if including the exact date of her return to home and the Star Festival taking place at the same time (e.i. day, week, month) is a 1 in a billions upon billions chance.'''

Note: If sometime in the future, Rosalina (or in-game info or out-game) actually claims she is from the Mushroom World then the category can be removed.

Proposer: Deadline: June 3, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support
The proposal gave excellent reasons why this is the most likely scenario. Sure it's not official, but neither is any of the opposing stuff. The only difference is that this makes more sense and is more likely based on what has been officially confirmed.
 * 1) Per proposal
 * 2) Humans can be aliens in the mario universe,as long as theyre from outer space.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) She hovers infront of Mario in the ending of SMG how can she be human?
 * 5) - Wow guys you've been wasting your time, indeed Rosalina is from the Mushroom World, or have you ever seen the epilogue from SMG? she is staring at it. That comet passes by the Mushroom World at the time of the Star Festival plus the fact of the epilogue, is not a coincidence, Nintendo wouldn't be so ambiguous. Anyway, I support this.
 * 6) TL; Per proposal.
 * 7) Rosalina is not from Earth. She lives in the blue house on the first planet of the Gateway Galaxy, which is probably described as a blue planet because it is similar to earth. The Mushroom World/Earth is in the Grand Finale Galaxy, which is halfway across the universe from the Gateway Galaxy. The comet above the Mushroom World during the Star Festival actually is the Comet Observatory, as the Star Festival is actually some time before Rosalina's centennial homecoming, and she flies across the universe and sees all of the galaxies before arriving at the Gateway Galaxy. I hope this cleared everything up.
 * 8) I was the one who added this category to this page, if I'm not mistaken. By definition, Rosalina is an alien as she is not from Earth. Although I don't tend to enjoy grouping blonde girls with green three-eyed creatures, technically I think we have to by definition.

Oppose

 * 1) You has no official souce categories are for official things only also im not sure if this important enough for a talk page proposal
 * 2) We still can't be sure if she's from the Mushroom World or not. Since it's still ambiguous, we should just remove the category.
 * 3) I don't find the logic sound enough to be applicable to the Mario universe. If Rosalina's home planet isn't the Mushroom World, why is no other planet mentioned? There is no evidence to support the existence of other planets notable enough to be called "blue planets." Besides, the statistics have no basis in fact and are based on your bias toward the idea that Rosalina IS from the Mushroom World; there is nothing to suggest that the Star Festival is celebrated in any other location. We don't know either way, but I'm not going to support a theory that is not corroborated by Nintendo (at least the theory of her living in the Mushroom World at one point has some sort of evidence). Give me evidence to support your claims instead of made-up statistics and heavily biased quotations and commentary, and I will change my mind.
 * 4) No comment
 * 5) Per all, and second it doesn't matter if she's from the Mushroom Kingdom or another world in relation to the Mario series. If she made her appearance in an installment for the Mario series itself, it counts and the "Aliens" category should not be placed on the article itself.
 * 6) - This is a moot point. The basis of your entire proposal is "there is no proof she is from the mushroom kingdom". I would like to counter that with "there is no proof she isn't from the mushroom kingdom". Actually, there's no proof (almost) any characters are from the mushroom kingdom. Bowser's birth details are unknown, he doesn't resemble any other species in the mushroom kingdom. Why not classify him as an alien? Or Wario? He might be an alien too! Why don't we classify these guys as aliens? Because, we assume that they come from the mushroom kingdom unless explicitly stated otherwise.
 * 7) There are no official sources confirming this, so I think it's better that we take off the "alien" tag, to remove speculation. Rosalina's ancestors could be in Mushroom Kingdom, heck. We base this wiki on facts and sources, not on assumptions.
 * 8) I want to oppose your theory. Because, for starters, how many blue planets do we know? Not counting the ones from different universes, else we would have Pokémon and Sonic in the Aliens category. In our galaxy, the only true blue planet is Earth (of course it's also green, but it's nicknamed the blue planet). Nintendo probably meant a pure blue planet, and not a cyan one or a light blue one, like Uranus and Neptune are. That pure blue color, is of course because of the water. Humankind can't live without water, so Rosalina was born on a planet containing lots of water. That could either be in our galaxy or in the one containing the Mushroom World. Maybe Nintendo want to hint that Rosalina came from the Mushroom World or Earth. You should remember that kids also play SMG (it's rated E for Everyone), who don't know very much about the extraterrestrial theories, and know that the blue planet is simply Earth.
 * 9) - Per all.
 * 10) Per Marioguy's analogy.
 * 11) Per all. Earth is the only planet on which Humans are found, and it is linked to the Mushroom World through warp pipes. Rosalina seems pretty human to me....not an alien.
 * 12) Per everyone! Rosalina is a human and Mercedes Rose played the voice of her so, she's a human character!
 * 13) - It's heavily implied that she's from the Mushroom World, and the beta storyline mentioned in the Prima guide said she was related to Peach (in which case, she'd have to be from the same planet), which is the closest we get to any official word on the matter. In light of all that, asserting that she's not from the Mushroom World is the more speculative course of action, which goes agaisnt the aims of the wiki.
 * 14) Per my brother.

Comments
@Gooba's Shoe15: I bet you didn't even read my claims and logics and what makes you think that Rosalina being an alien is or is not official?

you gave no official source and you don't work for Nintendo also this is a fictional franchise where a plumber can die over and over again logic has no meaning
 * Well you don't give official source that Rosalina lived in the Mushroom World and what does me working for Nintendo has to do with anything?
 * its an expression since your not an official source also the mention of a blue planet is worth more than all your logic in my eyes since she takes the apperance of a human and no one said shes from the mushroom world
 * In fact you your self say she is most likely not from earth or the Mushroom World which means your proposal is based on speculation not official sources
 * My speculation, or more like logic, makes more sense then her actually living or once lived in the Mushroom World, look at the statistics. Just because she is human what makes you believe she doesn't live on another planet?
 * She takes on the apperance of a human and mentions being from a blue planet and usually those kind of references are a wink wink to the players also your logic has no meaning here in a world where eating a mushroom makes you grow bigger and where evil fire breathing turtles try to conquer the land of the mushroom people who are ruled by humans, and even if your logic does mean anything it does not prove she is an alien just cause something is unlikely does not mean it isnt true and you have offered up no actual evidence that proves she is not human
 * In that case, from your view of logic, the Mario Wiki shouldn't exist, it has just a bunch of fake info on redundant characters, items, locations, etc. You still haven't disproved anything since I already countered the arguments you made with the proposal already.
 * No my argument is that using real world science and applying it to a video game is pointless since there is no way to prove that our laws of nature apply in that world and ive countered you at every point categories are for official pages only and your only argument is based on speculation not confirmed sources and even your argument admits that it is based on pure speculation not official sources
 * And your's is based off official sources and it's not speculation? You're asking for official sources but there is no official source so you can't bring up the argument that there's need to be official sources if the only one is Nintendo and there is no sources so it's best to use logical speculation until there is official sources.
 * No it's not it's better to use whats implied why would it be better to use logic that casts doubt on itself by admiting that A: She could still be a human and by B: being unprovable with in the relm of the Mushroom world you've speculated the length of a Mushroom World year you have no proof there is at least some evidence that she is a human such as her Human body and reference to a blue planet which can be seen as earth and in most cases is in fact earth.
 * also her age can easily be explained by the fact that she is a powerful magician and simply gave herself eternal life or by the fact that we simply don't

know how the Humans in the Mushroom world age which although speculation is based on the established facts and truths that have been presented in the games
 * But what's implied isn't [good] enough.

Ok guys, the point is: We don't know if she is a human or an alien so we should not add any of both categories

This may be mere speculation, but there's no way that Rosalina can be an alien. It's probable that she was a Mushroom World resident at one point, but again we don't really know that for sure. 17:20, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

It doesn't say she is an alien in any MKW or SMG official stuff -- 17:46, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
 * It doesn't even touch the topic at all, that is not a good valid point. And when does it say she isn't?
 * Still this isn't a fan site.
 * You didn't answer my question that I am right.

@ThirdMarioBro: Where are getting your information? I've never heard of anything that says she lives on that planet. Even if she does, there is nothing to suggest that she always has. Therefore, there is also nothing to suggest that is not a former resident of the Mushroom World.

She tells you this information when you speak to her in the Gateway Galaxy Purple Coins mission. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 21:36, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Does she say she lives in the house or that she is from the Galaxy cause theres a huge difference

She says she lives in the galaxy in the Purple Coins mission, but the storybook in the Library says she lives in "the little blue house on the hill" or something like that.

Also, about Rosalina being a former resident of the Mushroom World, the storybook also says Rosalina lived in the blue house on the Gateway Galaxy planet when she was a child, and even mentions what life was like there. Therefore, Rosalina probably only lived there for her whole life, and did not ever live in the Mushroom World. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 21:56, 20 May 2011 (EDT) Probably and did are two different things the word Probably makes it speculation just like my theroies on her being human are and categories should be for official confirmed things

@Why Bother: Your vote is invalid. An alien is basically a foreigner, people from other countries can be referred to as an alien. Alien doesn't mean a big headed, short, green person from another planet, heck if Rosalina was or is human and came from another planet she'll still be an alien.

@all opposers who use the argument of "'blue planet' is Earth": There are hundreds, thousands, even millions of planets with a blue hue from far away that can be nicknamed the "blue planet". The "blue planet" is nothing more then just a nickname.
 * The problem with this is that you're using speculation to justify your proposal. Just because there can be a multitude of planets that could be nicknamed the "blue planet," within the Marioverse does not mean that there are such planets in existence. Besides, we don't know if the Marioverse is as expansive as the real world universe. For all we know, it is no larger than what we see in the two Galaxy games. @ThirdMarioBro: The problem I have with your comment is the word probably. I know that there is little about Rosalina's original home that we know, but that is no reason for speculation to be used in place of cold, hard facts. What is in the Storybook may or may not be an account of Rosalina's entire life; we have no way of knowing, so it makes no sense to classify her as an alien. If a person is born in the United States and moves to, say, France, and comes back every ten years, that person is not an "alien," so how is this situation different?

@Third Mario Bro. she says shes from a blue plante which means she can't be from the Gateway Galaxy

@Birdo beauties: Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World.

Zero you should take a look at your own proposal you know where it states this wikis definiton of Alien which is: creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.
 * What's wrong with it, robots are in the category, so it doesn't only apply with creatures. Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature.

@Zero: That's right hehe i'm just gonna deleted that part ^^;.
 * @All supporters: I found some of the arguments used here very poorly thought-out and the ones that were thought-out are not properly based. So I prepared a nice organized list of oppositions.


 * Zero: Your arguments are all based on the fact that nothing confirms she is from the Mushroom Kingdom. None of your arguments are explaining why you believe she is not.
 * Yoshiyoshiyoshi: That's not the point, the point is that there's no proof she is from outer space.
 * Bop1996: This proposal gave excellent reasons why this is a possible scenario. It does not place the Mushroom Kingdom above any other planet; all it does it manipulate the facts. He showed you the odds that the Mushroom Kingdom is the planet in question, the ironic part is, every other planet in the universe has those same odds.
 * Phoenix: How dare you not put reasons! :P
 * Yoshidude99: Um...wut? She could be human in many different ways. Humans have hardly ever been "normal" in the Mario series.
 * Byllant: You may want to re-read the proposal, it doesn't look like you know what you're supporting (please take that as nicely as possible).
 * SWFlash: asdf >_>
 * ThirdMarioBro: There's no proof she lives in that house, that's speculation.

None of us can choose what kind of being Rosalina is, because she belongs to Nintendo. This proposal is just a waste of time. =/ We can add to the article it is not known if she is a human.

@MG1: My reasoning is that my speculation has a higher chance of being true, look at the statistics. Also I think a few of the characters you mentioned have said they were from the Mushroom Kingdom or some distant land, but we have a higher source they came from the Mushroom World because because we just assume they are because their first appearance were on the Mushroom World.

And I have to say this, for now, to every other respective opposer: "Blue Planet" can be any blue-colored planet and get the image of a little green man out of your mind when you think alien.
 * Zero, the statistics prove nothing. Statistics lie, especially when their validity isn't corroborated by an official source, and if you have a source, don't say NASA or anything similar, as the organization of this universe is not identical to that of the Marioverse. Also, since when do we rely on unsourced speculation such as yours for anything? Saying that your speculation has a higher chance of being true doesn't mean that it is, only that you think it is, and that is not a sound enough basis upon which to base keeping the category on the article. Concerning aliens, read the last sentence of my last comment. I'm not thinking of little green men.

@Zero whats wrong with what the fact that your wrong with this wikis definiton of alien which is and i copied and pasted this directly: Aliens are creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth so your whole shes an alien cause she does not live in the Mushroom world argument does not fly according to the Wikis defeniton
 * You know I already answered that in a previous one of your's.
 * Yeah you mentioned something about how robots are in it and im still unsure how that answers the fact that answered my statement of how you said that the aliens category also counted for things born in the Mushroom world but not living there cause
 * Wow, that is very offensive and it makes you seem lazy. Your basically saying "Oh I don't give a crap on what you are saying and I'm going to skim right through your claim without getting it or fully understanding it." Since you are to lazy to look and read the sentence, here, I'll highlight it for you princess: "Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature."


 * @Arend: "You should remember that kids also play SMG (it's rated E for Everyone), who don't know very much about the extraterrestrial theories, and know that the blue planet is simply Earth." I understand your argument, but respectfully, you can't really use kids as a deciding factor. I mean, if we're talking about as broad a range of kids' ages as I think we're talking about, then I'm sure they're much more preoccupied with just playing the game as opposed to focusing on minute analytical details like Rosalina's origins, or the color of the planet from which she possibly originated. They're probably not even aware of those things to begin with, as I'm almost certain the younger you are, the less you focus on the specific facets of the game's backstory plotline, and the more you focus on just having fun playing the game, so anything that kids don't need to know to do so they probably won't pay that much attention to in the first place. 06:10, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I think the category itself should be scrapped. It seems way too ambiguous and we have no proof about the majority of these characters. Mario could be considered an alien himself, coming from Earth.-- 10:51, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

This seems to have gotten a little out of hand for something that there really isn't enough information about now anyway. Leave the category for now.

@Goomba's Shoe15 She says in the game that she lives there and it is "her home planet". @MG1 As I said, the storybook says that she lives in the blue house, and even puts it in Rosalina's quotes.

I don't even understand why we're arguing about this; there's enough information in the game itself to prove that Rosalina is an alien. You can easily find information if you pay close attention to the whole story, and not just mash the button when an NPC talks to you. ThirdMarioBro: Mario,   Luigi,  and me! 15:15, 21 May 2011 (EDT)


 * What line says that cause i never saw that in the story nor is it mentioned in the storybooks article

and @Zero i was calling you out on this statment you made @Birdo beauties: Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World. which you know for a fact is incorrect and your response to me calling you out on it was
 * What's wrong with it, robots are in the category, so it doesn't only apply with creatures. Creatures are nothing more then multi-celled organisms and human/being fits that category, human beings just an intelligent creature. which does not answer the question of why you told Birdo Beauties that because Rosalina no longer lives in the Mushroom world that makes her an alien cause you know thats not correct
 * Use quotes next time >_>. Anyways, carefully read it again: "Yes, that does mean she is an alien if she doesn't live in the Mushroom World."

To quote a 'friend' of mine, "The wiki defines aliens as 'creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth'. If she's from the Mushroom World, then she can't be an alien." ~Why Bother (also, I fixed up the grammar for you)

I would like to point out that the alien category isnt in the article i removed it shortly before he created this proposal
 * Well, we'll just put it back if the proposal passes.

@Zero heres the defintion one more time Aliens are creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth. she is not an alien if she is from the Mushroom world


 * Again, you use the word if, and how would you know she is from the Mushroom World?
 * The fact of the matter is that we don't know either way, and if this proposal passes, all that will be accomplished is the supplanting of one form of speculation for another. It makes more sense to assume that Rosalina, while not currently a resident of Mushroom World, may have been at some point, just as we assume Wario is, for example.
 * Wouldn't it be easier just to not mention whether or not she's a Mushroom World citizen? --Reversinator 08:45, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Not really. It never specifically says she's a Mushroom World citizen, so that could also lead to controversy.
 * I think we Should remove both the Human and Alien categories and mention in the trivia that her current species is unknown
 * I don't think that's a good idea because that will look obscure and leave a large void of information there since she is human.

But this is why this is all just so ridiculous in the first place; I think one thing we all seem to have forgotton is that aside from her appearances in both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 (in which she always appears in space, with the exception of the story from the former), she does also appear in Mario Kart Wii. This game features locations that include Delfino Square and Delfino Pier, both of which are part of Isle Delfino, which we can confirm is part of the Mushroom World. So, at this point in time in this game, we know for a fact that she has, at least at some point in her history, physically set foot on Mushroom Planet. The question now is, what do we do with this information? I guarantee that if SMG had come out after MKW, we would not even be having this conversation in the first place, because MKW would have been her first appearance, and she would have been assumed to be a resident of Mushroom World just like every other character in the game. However, I cannot change the chronology of the games just to prove my point. What I can do is cook everyone some food for thought. We have proof that Rosalina has spent the majority of her time in the Mario series in space, and we know that she has actually been to the Mushroom World in a Mario game. Personally, I believe she's an alien, but does it make her any less of an alien if she travels to the Mushroom World for a game and then goes back to space? I'll leave that up to the rest of you to decide, but my viewpoint remains the same. 13:03, 22 May 2011 (EDT)


 * It doesnt matter if she spent the majority of time in space the question is is she native to space and that question as never been answered by an official source therefore i think it makes more sense to remove the alien and Human category and mention that as of now no official source as mentioned her whether or not shes from the mushroom world/ earth, or if shes from space

The deadline was wrong: this was proposed on Friday, May 20, so it ends two weeks later on Friday, June 3 at 23:59 GMT (24:00 GMT is not allowed as the deadline time anymore). - 15:48, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

@yoshiyoshiyoshi I fail to see the logic in your arguement @Bowser's luma You say that since she's not from Earth, she's an alien. But technically, that means that barely any character isn't an alien. Most characters aren't from Earth, they're from the Mushroom World. Also, when's this supposed to be over? I'm getting tired of. ~Why Bother
 * This ends on June 3rd, provided one side leads by a margin of at least three votes. Otherwise, it will be extended for a week, and the process is continued until a deadline is reached, and one side leads by a margin of at least three votes.

@WhyBother: My bad, by "Earth" I meant the Mushroom World. I'm so used to living on Earth that I guess I forgot the series doesn't take place there.

Mario Kart 7
I noticed how some characters have information about them being in Mario Kart 7, like the Queen Bee. Shouldn't we open a section about Rosalina being confirmed in the game? We already know that she got her own track (Rosalina's Ice World), that she is an unlockable playable character and that she doesn't have her Luma around her anymore. Or at least something short, like "She is scheduled to appear as a playable character in Mario Kart 7". This is my very first contribution ever, so if this is a stupid or unnecessary question, please let me know.


 * In my opinion, it's really best to wait until the game itself gets released before adding that info in. I know this for certain, when it's time, it's to be placed under the "Mario Kart Series" section. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:35, 17 November 2011 (EST)

New voice
You may have noticed Rosalina has a new voice in Mario Kart 7. The character is now voiced by Kerri Kane instead of Mercedes Rose. I'd edit the page to reflect this, but it's locked!
 * Thanks, I took care of it.
 * I had to revert it because we have two roadblocks - one, is this person in question credited in the game itself in question? Two - if the answer is yes, we'd have to create an article on this person provided we have sufficient info to do just that. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 13:26, 7 December 2011 (EST)
 * There are no voice credits listed in MK7 at all. IMDb should be getting the final, corrected voice credit data up soon though. I do know firsthand that Kerri recorded the voice. There is info on her both on her website and LinkedIn.

Okay, i went under investigation about this matter by email both actress who were very generous of inform me.

Mercedes Rose didn't resume the role of Rosalina nor doesn't know how her name was on the credit at IMDb. Here's what she quote.

"'Actually, I have no idea! I recorded all my Rosalina stuff at one time and they have just reused it over and over again! I only know what is on my IMDb...which I assume Nintendo updated. I don't actually play any of the games and after I appeared in the first two, I stopped buying them.'"

As for Kerri Kane, she definitely did Rosalina in MK7. So it's safe to assume that she is currently the voice of Rosalina.


 * All right; that's all the evidence we need. I've done the honors making the necessary changes. However, we need to band together to see about getting an article for Kerri Kane over here A.S.A.P. along with her picture, if there is any. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:57, 7 December 2011 (EST)

There's a headshot from one of her agents' sites here: In addition to the stuff on her website at  you'll find some older credits on MobyGames under her maiden name of Kerri Willard

Rosalina is left-handed?
Is possible that Rosalina is left-handed, in some screenshots, she holds the wand in her left hand. We can put it is left-handed Trivia section of her page? Twins Deia &amp; Lica 10:58, 7 December 2011 (EST)


 * I got to investigate this for myself; but I still doubt that something like this would be necessary to be placed in this article's Trivia section. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 11:37, 7 December 2011 (EST)


 * I once made a trivia statement that Shadow the Hedgehog is left-handed, but it later got removed. Basically, the same thing will probably happen to the Rosalina article if you input that information.  19:58, 7 December 2011 (EST)


 * It would be better in the introductory paragraph of the article, not the trivia, if it really is true.
 * All I can say on the matter is that Miyamoto has a history of making left-handed characters because he is left-handed...well, that and I agree with Bop.

That cannot be ruled out as I examined her very, VERY carefully in the 120 star ending that as she walked back to the observatory, shes holds the wand in her RIGHT hand. So no, I cant say shes left handed. We cant fully confirm this.--Toadettefan1000 (talk) 20:48, 11 July 2013 (EDT)

Rosalina's Dress in 7
Is it just me, or is Rosalina sporting a new dress in Mario Kart 7? I unlocked her today and I noticed the shoulder area of her dress looked different.

It looks different, yes, but it was probably due to graphical limitations. It probably could be mentioned within the article though. MarioComix 14:53, 26 December 2011 (EST)

I think the graphic limitations made all the princesses shorter too. They all look much shorter in the game.

I also noticed that Rosalina looks shorter in the game. It's particularly clear when using the Pipe Frame. Is that note-worthy in the article?

No no, we're not going to include those two in the article since Rosalina's dress in her artwork looks the same from MKWii, SMG, and SMG2; and I don't think the size difference is article-worthy since lots of characters change size a bit or a lot throughout the games.


 * Per this; I don't think it's worth mentioning in the article itself either. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 01:39, 27 December 2011 (EST)

Rosalina's New Attitude
In playing as Rosalina I have noticed that she sounds very different. Not just because of her new portrayal. But she sounds less "monotone" (as described in the article)and has a louder voice due to that. I want to add that but I don't want to be stuck adding that with it being deleted every time. If this comment is not responded to I may as well edit it, I just don't want to interfere with any of the rules. -'Shroom64: The Mushroomeditor


 * I don't think it's actually that noteworthy to be inserted into the article itself. Overall, even though in MK7 when she sounds a bit more "excited" it still represents her overall character as she was introduced in the Super Mario Galaxy games. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 16:09, 21 January 2012 (EST)

OK, I'll leave the article alone then. -'Shroom64: The Mushroomeditor

There needs to be an edit
this page is locked from edits but I found something that needs to be fixed! In her abilities and powers it talks about mario falling off the observatory but it says "Puts him back where he awas"

Species
Has it been specified that she's a human? - Holy user in a talk page! (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Mario Kart Wii
a. the paragraph is confusing: "play 50 races or play 4957 (or some large number) race." what? B. i unlocked her just by playing galaxy, not 50 races. i just said when i got the game something like: "well done for buying Super Mario Galaxy, you unlocked Rosalina."


 * It is saying there are 3 different ways to unlock Rosalina. The 1st way is to get 1-star ranking in all Mirror Mode grand prix cups. The 2nd way is to have a Super Mario Galaxy save file on your Wii and then play 50 races, while the last way is to simply play 4,950 races. MarioComix (talk) 22:05, 3 January 2013 (EST)

Mario Party 3DS
A screenshot was released showing Rosalina in Mario Party 3ds, so I tried to add it to the chart. I am having trouble citing it, so could someone plaese help?
 * We're not adding it to the chart of appearances because the game has not been released yet; the same goes for the character infobox. Even if the policy wasn't so, it would be far too early to do so, especially when the game's final title is still unknown! MarioComix (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

Peach-centric
I think the appearance section needs a cleanup. Instead of explaining Rosalina's appearance, it seems to be just comparing her to Princess Peach. I'd do it but I don't really know how to fix it up. -- 22:11, 13 November 2013 (EST)
 * It's only natural to compare her to Princess Peach because the two look alike and that more people know Peach more than Rosalina. It's only the physical description part that needs most work. Otherwise, I say that the section is fine. 00:39, 15 November 2013 (EST)

Super Mario 3D World
Since I have the game, I'd add the details but it's a locked article. She is an unlockable character which is unlocked after World Star-2 is completed, and the game must be completed once to access World Star.
 * Added. Thanks! 18:44, 24 November 2013 (EST)

Rosalina's Family...
Okay, so I've been thinking about something for a long time. I've gathered some support, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it, and I know it may seem completely out-of-the-blue, but I kinda sorta see some small hint of a connection between Rosalina's past and the fates of Lord Blumiere and Lady Timpani. (Yes, from Super Paper Mario.)

My strongest points of support are as follows:
 * In her storybook, Rosalina consistently mentions living near a hill with a tree on top, where she went sledding and had picnics on 'warm and windy days' and such, and that her mother was 'sleeping' beneath the tree on that very same hill. The similarity: after SPM's credits roll, you got a glimpse of Timpani and Blumiere standing together atop a hill, near a tree, with wind blowing around them, happily reunited.
 * Rosalina also remembers watching the stars at night with her father...And if you play Super Paper Mario, one of Tippi's memories (I believe it's the one following Chapter 5) reveals that Blumiere did the same thing with her when they met.
 * At the end of Super Mario Galaxy 2, Rosalina mentions a power greater than the stars that governs the destiny of them all, and I believe Peach goes on to say that this power is the desire in one's heart to be reunited with someone special to them...Likewise, after Super Dimentio is defeated in SPM, Tippi proclaims to him that not everything is decided by fate, and that all things have the power to change their destiny, if they so desire. This indicates that Timpani and Rosalina have similar beliefs about destiny and what controls it.

Now, for the smaller points, which could more easily be regarded as coincidence:
 * For starters, Blumiere wears a monocle. He probably has vision problems. Rosalina's hair covers one of her eyes. She may also have vision problems. I understand this one may sound a bit shaky, but I just thought I'd mention it.
 * Throughout SMG, Rosalina displays, among other things, the power to levitate and project force fields around herself and other things, though she appears a normal human, for the most part. I understand this is more easily and sensibly attributed to the power she gains from the Grand Stars, but I think it's worth saying that Blumiere demonstrates these same powers throughout SPM, hinting at the 'diluted bloodline' thing the Tribe of Darkness tried so hard to avoid.

...That is an end to my points of support.

Of course, if this theory were true, it would mean that the world Timpani and Blumiere ended up in was actually the Mushroom World, as Rosalina makes it very clear that it is her home planet.

Thanks for reading, just wanted to know what people thought. 107.211.236.202 12:48, 27 November 2013 (EST)

Check out The Game Theorists, he just did a two part video on Rosalina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C9&index=2 I think you will find the evidence very compelling.

Infobox image
I don't see anything wrong with the Super Mario 3D World image. Ideally recent artwork should be used unless it's specialized and in this case it isn't. Aokage (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2013 (EST)

...Wouldn't Super Mario Galaxy be better, though...? It seems much more...iconic...After all, it was her first game... Whisperstar13 (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2013 (EST)

So? Do we use Mario's Donkey Kong 1981 artwork? No. Do we use his original Super Mario Bros. sprite? No. We use his 3D World artwork, so I don't see why we can't use Rosalina's 3D World artwork. I mean, it is just a different pose right? Nothing's different about her outfit. SeanWheeler (talk) 11:09, 26 December 2013 (EST)
 * The only argument I see from the other side is that it "fits" her better, which is a mostly subjective rather than objective reasons to change her picture, and therefore cannot be disputed with valid arguments. 11:35, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Deciding Rosalina's Infobox Picture
IMAGE 1 11-8

Recently, we have a slight edit war concerning Rosalina's infobox picture. Apparently, some of us are fine with the way she looks in the Super Mario Galaxy picture, otherwise, some of us want to change it because they see nothing wrong with it and besides, updating it to meet current games. I would like to stop this ridiculous edit war once and for all and settle this....like men (and women).

Here are the two images:

Which one do you think should represent Rosalina in the infobox?


 * Proposer:
 * Deadline: January 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Image 1

 * 1) This image actually captures Rosalina's wand, something the other image does not.
 * 2) Per Icemario11, plus other higher ups also stated in their editing summaries/reasonings that it still represents Rosalina's overall personality well.
 * 3) Per the reasons stated in reversions for this image being kept.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) The latter image is more recent, but I prefer the former image because it captures her calm, reserved personality better. Plus, there are no particle effects around her, so it's generally a better image to illustrate her in my opinion.
 * 6) – The policy on  clearly states that "if the latest artwork is specialized for that game (i.e. the character's wearing sporting gear, driving a kart, etc.), an older image may be retained as the infobox image instead." The latter Rosalina artwork is specialized for SM3DW, and wouldn't be suitable for illustrating her character as a whole...
 * 7) My words have pretty much been spoken by others already - I just think that when she's a playable character in a game, they need to add more of a personality to her, one that branches off from the one she displays in her original game...If the purpose of the infobox image is to portray her overall character, I think Super Mario Galaxy would be better.
 * 8) Second one doesn't represent the character. I've already made quite a few points below in the comments.
 * 9) Per YoshiKong.
 * 10) Per all
 * 11) Per all.

Image 2

 * 1) Most recent.
 * 2) Per SeanWheeler and Aokage's comment above. Mario's artwork for NSMBW shows more of Mario and in a standard way, but we changed it over time. This artwork does show off some of Rosalina's abilities too if that counts for anything.
 * 3) Per SeanWheeler.
 * 4) Per my comment in the above section.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per SeanWheeler.
 * 7) per all.
 * 8) The artwork looks more crisp and beautiful than the SMG artwork. Plus it's more recent.

Comments
@MeritC I suggest you use your own judgement rather than what "higher ups" say. What I mean is, of course, that you shouldn't let others wholly decide your decisions, but what they could say might be the same as what you might think. 15:31, 26 December 2013 (EST)

There should be no proposal here. The infoboxes are supposed to show the most recent of the character - in this case, her 3D World artwork. -- 17:43, 26 December 2013 (EST)
 * Well, if there shouldn't be as proposal, there shouldn't be an edit war either. The infobox states the "A representative image of the character - ideally, artwork from the most recently released game." with no clear-cut definition on what "representative" really means, since it's subjective. It also states "ideally" as well, which means exceptions may apply. I don't think people fighting over this constantly is gonna solve anything (I don't care who has more weight in decisions) so I think the most fair way to resolve this is to make a TPP to stop this. 18:20, 26 December 2013 (EST)
 * "Representative" means not packing sports equipment or busting some out-of-character breakdancing moves or whatever ("specialized for that game", in the guideline). Rosalina's lack of wand isn't enough to make the SM3DW art non-representative, and the "ideally" isn't meant to make this debatable, but to acknowledge that sometimes there isn't any up-to-date (or any at all) artwork free of non-standardness. That guideline was spelled out with the express purpose of avoiding these sorts of edit wars and TTPs: it was an executive decision based on discussions and previous proposals, and while it's on a template, rather than a policy page, it is policy and it should be followed. - 20:15, 26 December 2013 (EST)
 * Apparently this time the guideline didn't work as intended as people still tried changing this despite that added tag. Still, I can see the entire "representative" argument on both sides: Rosalina isn't really acting out of character in this picture nor is she doing any sort of specialized task (well, not as obvious as say, her next to her kart or holding equipment), so that's why people, who often have different views on specifically this, can get confused. I honestly don't see what's wrong with a TPP being created for this purpose, as it can clarify positions and let people present their sides of the argument on why they feel the Super Mario 3D World is also representative as well or why the Galaxy artwork is better. 22:08, 26 December 2013 (EST)

@YoshiKong How is this representative of Super Mario 3D World only? I don't see her driving a kart or anything of the like. -- 15:10, 27 December 2013 (EST)
 * The Star Spin, her energetic/happy expression, and the lack of her wand.


 * So? She will do the spin in Super Smash Bros. 4. And what's wrong with her being happy? And maybe her wand is in her pocket. SeanWheeler (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2013 (EST)


 * She's happy and she has a star spin. So if Mario can't jump in a certain game we can't use artwork of him jumping? -- 22:14, 28 December 2013 (EST)
 * Except in my reasons, Mario's jumping doesn't release particle effects that surrounds him. Same reason we don't use artwork of him star spinning. 12:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)


 * Actually, I think the reason we don't use him Star Spinning is because it's not in his most recent artwork. And he only does it in the Galaxy games. Rosalina not only does the Star Spin in 3D World, but in Super Smash Bros. And the Star Spin attack is a reference to her first appearance. Fire Mario has a particle effect in his infobox. SeanWheeler (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2013 (EST)
 * No. We don't use him star spinning because it's not representative of him. Mario jumps in practically every game, aside from spin-offs, and his happy expression and jump represent him well, just like Rosalina's calm, idle pose in the SMG art. It has nothing to do with particles. Fire Mario throws fire, why would we not have a picture of him throwing fire on his infobox? Also, Smash Bros. is not a good example of character personalities and traits, because it's a fighting game. You throw in people like Peach, Rosalina, Zelda, Mr. G&W, etc., none of whom are people that go out and fight others. It's not in their character to act that way, however, as it is a spin-off, that's acceptable, but we don't base characters off games like that if it differs from their mainstream personalities (unless in Daisy, Waluigi, Toadette, etc.'s cases, they only appear in spin-offs).


 * Back on the topic of the picture, if I had it my way, I would use the one used in MKW/MK7/MKAGPDX, as it is very similar to SMG's, but more recent. Still representative of her, even without the wand.


 * The Mario Kart artwork has her standing next to a kart. Not that good of a candidate. Even if we take the photos we already have without the kart, I don't think we should have half-artwork in an infobox. SeanWheeler (talk) 07:58, 30 December 2013 (EST)
 * However, the Mario Kart Arcade GP DX artwork does have her without the kart, so it should count as official artwork, seeing as many MKW characters' artworks became their Super Sluggers artwork. MarioComix (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2013 (EST)
 * Why on Earth would you think I meant the images with karts, especially after I made arguments about pictures not being representative of characters? Like MarioComix said, solo artwork of her was released for Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, and is not in anyway "half-artwork".


 * In Fire Mario's case, you need the fire particle effects to demonstrate Fire Mario's ability: to shoot fire (duh). The Star Spin Rosalina demonstrates, on the other hand, has particle effects that shouldn't be shown as the main picture in Rosalina's article, thus making it unnecessary and immediately making it the less representative picture of Rosalina compared to her Galaxy artwork. 16:23, 1 January 2014 (EST)
 * Assuming that Super Mario Galaxy is the most recent game, we still would use other Mario artwork rather than Mario Star Spinning because, again, no particle effects. 16:26, 1 January 2014 (EST)


 * Smash Wiki uses the Super Mario 3D World artwork. SeanWheeler (talk) 11:04, 4 January 2014 (EST)
 * We're not Smash Wiki, and as Rosalina hasn't appeared before in the Smash series it makes sense for them to use a more recent image for her so people know who she is.

Mario Kart 8?
This can't be ruled out as I haven't found any evidence of her presence within the new future game (i.e clothes, accessories, personal belongings, etc.). Just because there are references to Super Mario Galaxy in the game doesn't means she might actually make an appearance. In this case i.e, Galaxy Arena from Mario Tennis Open. It featured Luma as a playable character, but Rosalina never actually appeared.--174.6.134.128 06:43, 28 December 2013 (EST)
 * She's in the Nintendo Direct footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKY8cJfXEw.

Gallery
there should be pictures of her in all her power-ups from Super Mario 3D World (boomerang, fire, cat, lucky cat)--Poponana2 (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2013 (EST) I do have a screenshot for her in her boomerang suit.

In second 16 and on Super Mario 3D World Wii U-Rosalina Gameplay (youtube) there are good shots of Boomerang Roslaina.--Poponana2 (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2014 (EST) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iekv3ITheYQ this has all her suits--Poponana2 (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2014 (EST)
 * We do have pictures of Fire Yellow Toad, Fire Blue Toad, etc., but again, they're not wholly necessary. It wouldn't hurt to have some, though. 19:50, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Portrayals
When I played Mario Party: Island Tour, I don't remember Rosalina speaking at all. Would the "uncredited portrayal" still encompass that, or should that be removed altogether (considering she has no voice at all in the game). As well, is imdb a trustable source? As I believe last time it got wrong credits for her voice actress for MK7 or something. MarioComix (talk) 19:44, 6 January 2014 (EST)
 * That should be removed altogether if she has no voice in the game. I don't know about IMBD though. 19:46, 6 January 2014 (EST)
 * IMBD shouldn't be the sole source (just as how Wikipedia shouldn't be the only source). If you find other credible sites confirming it, then go for it. Right now though, there isn't an adequate amount, so let's be more skeptical. 20:00, 6 January 2014 (EST)

appearance in super mario 3d word
Should be added as a Downloadable Playable Character


 * Considering that she isn't downloadable, but rather unlockable in that game it shouldn't. Do you mean Mario Kart Arcade GPX?

Move Rosalina to Princess Rosalina
DON'T MOVE 2-17

So, I know that lots of users had proposed that, but once again I will propose it: Move Rosalina's page to "Princess Rosalina". I would say that because she is a princess, and I'm not saying this because of her crown or even her dress. Her Super Mario Galaxy's bio states:"Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. She is a great friend of the Luma, taking them in and caring for them as if they were her children. But there is a sadness behind her eyes. What has she lost out among the stars?"

Also her Mario Kart 8's bio (that is shared with Pink Gold Peach bio)states:"Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach. Hit the road as a bouncing baby princess or a metallic mystery woman!"

Proposer: Deadline: May 16, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) I go with you :)

Oppose

 * 1) Although she is called a princess I have not seen the name Princess Rosalina used anywhere, unlike the other articles. And if we're going by bios, then we should move Bowser to King Bowser because a lot of bios I've seen have referred to him as the King of Koopas.
 * 2) Per Yoshi876.
 * 3) Per Yoshi876.
 * 4) Per Yoshi876.
 * 5) Per Yoshi 876.
 * 6) Per Yoshi876, even the bios refers to her as plain Rosalina as opposed to Princess Peach.
 * 7) - Per Yoshi876.
 * 8) Per Yoshi876.
 * 9) Per Common sense reasoning
 * 10) Per Yoshi876 and Ninlevendo.
 * 11) Per Yoshi876. Unless you could find a place in the games where she's called princess I'm not convinced. As far as I know, there isn't any.
 * 12) Very specifically, in the beginning of Super Mario Galaxy, Rosalina introduces herself, saying, "My name is Rosalina". However, Princess Peach often calls herself Princess Peach, so does Mario and Luigi, and Toad, by simply reffering to her as "Princess".
 * 13) So should we move Mario to Carpenter Plumber Factory Worker Soldier Sportsperson  Demolition Worker Physician Baker Sensei Toymaker Mario? Per all.
 * 14) Per all.
 * 15) Per per.
 * 16) - Per everyone
 * 17) &mdash; She was never referred to as Princess Rosalina (and to my knowledge, never a princess). Even if she was, Princess Peach/Daisy are often referred to with Princess in their names. In other words, per all.

Comments
Also, in Super Mario Galaxy, Luigi says when obtaining a power star, "Only if you tell Rosalina I found this one". He does not call her Princess Rosalina.
 * The whole 'Princess' idea is to let you know her role of taking care of Lumas, she doesn't come from any sort of royalty. - 02:33, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

This is like moving Mario to Plumber Mario.-- 04:13, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina is called Mama Rosalina not princess Rosalina she is never called that in the games so i would say no 20:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)~Grand Master Gamer

Wrong Credits for the VA?
On the video that confirms Rosalina as a Playable downloable character in Mario Golf World Tour, she is clearly voiced by Kerri Kane and not by Laura Faye Smith like her page states.
 * How do you know? 18:03, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I can tell because, her voice clips are identical to the ones used in Mario Kart 7 , like when she laughs and hits the ball when golfing.
 * Are all her voices recycled from Mario Kart 7? 18:11, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * It seems like it, at least for this game , on Kerri´s web site she has some voice clips of Rosalina and it sounds like her. They are making the same thing like in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX ( Kerri´s voice clips are reused in this game too , the same way Jen´s are reused for Peach)
 * Interesting... maybe the voice is not attributed correctly; I don't have the game, however, so I can't confirm this. This hasn't happened before, though, with recycled voices being attributed to the wrong voice actor. P.S. Sign your comments with ~ ! 18:19, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Ok i will !Super Starbits (talk) 18:27, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I'll try to check the credits in the game, though I'm not at that point in the game yet. MarioComix (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah, maybe that would help! i just thought about it because i played Mario Kart 7 alot and Kerri´s voice is definetly in MGWT. You can even check it out yourself in the GameXplain videos and compare. Super Starbits (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I realize now that since she is DLC in the game, I don't think her VA will be credited in the credits. Hrm. MarioComix (talk) 23:32, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Hello again, and yeah problably she wont be credited but i thought i could help to get this info right since im 100% sure that Laura is not voicing her in that game , so she should not be credited for it at all , just like Samantha should not be credited in MK AGPDX because the use Jen Taylors voice. The question is , how do we know Laura voiced Rosalina in Mario Golf ? Super Starbits
 * I suppose we just assumed it would be Laura because it was her in 3D World and Kart 8, so I guess it would be natural? But we do have evidence otherwise, so I'm going to make that change. 13:51, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Her voice clips are identical to MK7, but she has some new Laura clips. - 18:11, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Section
in super Mario galaxy when Rosalina is reading a book about her past at the end of the book it's hint's that Rosalina is over 100 year's old so i was wondering if it count's as canon or not? Grand Master Gamer
 * The Mario series doesn't have an officially recognized canon. You can read this for more. 21:02, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Trivia
Rosalina's bangs cover her Right eye normally BUT In MKWii, MK7 and MK8 MIRROR MODE it covers her left eye. Super Starbits
 * Mirror mode=Mirrored characters=Mirrored bang.
 * She is the Only character to be mirrored thought, nobody else has this little change.
 * Luigi's "L" and Baby Luigi's "L" are mirrored too. The same happens to Waluigi's emblem and also Baby Rosalina's bang.

Latest appearance
DLC is really going to blur the line for latest appearances. Within the next 48 hours, the Star Pack will be released for Mario Golf: World Tour. So, should Rosalina's latest appearance being changed to MGWT because she appears in the DLC pack for it which was released latest, or MK8 because that game was released the latest overall? For now I'll put down MGWT as her latest appearance. MarioComix (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
 * MK8, because she did actually appear in World Tour since it was out. You can clearly see her in Toads booth. Therefore her latest is still MK8. - 03:20, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

MGWT Voice (AGAIN)
Hello, i've been changing the credits for Rosalina's VA In MGWT like , 2 times at least to credit Kerri Kane but someone keeps changing it to Laura Faye. Is kinda annoying since not only her voice is clearly Kerri's during gameplay, but in Kerri's website she officially states that she voiced Rosalina in MGWT. Link : http://www.kerrikane.com/

Click on the about section and it says I’ve played the part of a fast kart-racing princess for Nintendo in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart Arcade GP DX and a pretty powerful golfer in Mario Golf: World Tour

also imdb is a pretty bad site to search info, since it's not always right. Super Starbits


 * They now both have it, as Ninvelendo said "Her voice clips are identical to MK7, but she has some new Laura clips.", and I believe he may be correct. 21:06, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

IDK if that's the case or if there's a proof of that but i think is kinda bad to not to credit Kerri in Rosalina's page for it at all since in any of the cases MOST of the voice clips are hers and not Laura's  (Yes, she has some new voice clips as well , but they are problably unused clips for MK7) It would be odd that they used both voices when Laura was pretty much available at the time , meaning that is she actually did some voice clips for Rosalina , then Why she did not do her full voice? or why they did not recycle her SM3DWorld Voice Clips for example ; The only time i knew they did something like that was with Princess Peach in SMB Brawl and Mario And Sonic and The Olympic Winter Games (Ds version) where they used Jen Taylor's, sweet and oh did i win? Voice clips respectively , but it was only 1 voice clip for each game.Super Starbits


 * You still should credit both because I would get a bit annoyed if they reused my voice clip and didn't credit me. Oh, and you can trust Ninelevendo (that's how you spell it); he's a competent, good faith editor. 21:35, 25 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I know, there´s no problem and i trust completely in all the people that can bring some info. Also ,like we said , Rosalina has some new voice clips (that were not in MK7 at all) so there's the possibility that Laura did something for that , but since it sounds so much Like Kerri (even got the echo back in all the voice clips) then you'd think is just Her , but it's fine . On a final note , i hope they stick with Laura's voice + Echo since that suits Rosalina better nowadays.

Edit: I just watched a Princess Peach gameplay and she has some Mario Power Tennis Voice Clips, so the theory that they mixed both recycled and new clips from Different VA Seems to be pretty accurate, just for you to know.Super Starbits


 * FYI IMDB has corrected their page as of today to reflect that Kerri Kane's voice clips are in fact those used in MGWT. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2965774/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 fkane
 * IMDB is an AWFUL source.--Vommack (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Here's an idea: Look at the credits for the game. I'll go beat a Mountain Course Championship. - 17:15, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

Kerri Kane herself actually emailed the admins about this matter, saying "Yes! Those are all my voice clips in the new Mario Golf World Tour game : ) It’s nice hearing some of the additional recordings! There are other ones as well". You can't beat confirmation straight from the primary source. - 17:52, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Really? Well, she did mention "additional recordings", so does that mean they're still hers or Laura's? -  18:04, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Oh right, you said so in your summary. Well then, case closed. Actually, I could've picked that up by reading it. - 18:07, 1 July 2014 (EDT)


 * Yep, she was talking about additional recordings that she did. Also, for the record, I found a video of the ending credits and neither Kerri Kane nor Laura Faye Smith were listed, so that wouldn't've helped us anyway. - 17:52, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

Is she peaches sister
There is not alot of evidence, But of what evidence there is i would presume she is rosalina toadstool first daughter of the king and queen of the mushroom kingdom. I would not even try and speculate how they died but didn't toadsworth end up caring for peach through most her childhood, It might explain why rosalina knows more than peach about their parents, so maybe it was complications through childbirth although this is a extremely long stretch with no backing evidence whatsoever, But for me this theory is very conclusive even with as little evidence there is it just seems to make sense, its a strong a connection although nothing official has really been said on the matter the one the main thing is those earrings that rosalines mother wore obviously they were passed down to peach as a sorta family heirloom, also peach is inexperienced she was thrust rather abruptly into the role she is in.
 * I thought Daisy was Peach's in my first Mario days. Anyway, until Nintendo officially confirms it, we can't go with deductions. Means fanmade thought, which is NOT allowed. And this should be moved down.
 * Parts are my own thoughts but part are also from the game too.
 * But no true relationship between the two has been confirmed by Nintendo. MarioComix (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
 * Well nintendo normally likes to leave it upto the fans imagination, they hardly ever release any info on stuff like this or bother to make it.
 * Unfortunately for fanon, this Wiki only covers officially confirmed information. MarioComix (talk) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (EDT)

Laura Faye Returns
As many fans would know, Kerri Kane was Rosalina's voice in the demo version of Smash. However, i took the time to email Laura Faye Smith to ask her if she was gonna voice Rosalina this time in Smash , and she say yes!. Here's the response: Im gonna add it to Laura Faye Smith and Rosalina's page :) Super Starbits

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS voice actor issue
I've gotten word that Rosalina's voice clips for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS were done by Kerri Kane. Either Nintendo lied to us about Laura Faye Smith being Rosalina's voice actor, or some voice clips simply got reused. For the source of this information, go here. 07:29, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
 * From the leaked livestreams, I was able to catch a glimpse of a voice actor credit for "Kerry Kane". I'm pretty sure they meant Kerri Kane. Also, her voice clips DO sound very similar to some from Mario Golf: World Tour, such as when she hits the ball and says, "Yah!", as well as in MK7 when she falls off the track. MarioComix (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
 * I actually Am Swiftie Muggle, and i uploaded the pics where KERRI KANE is listed on the credits. Nintendo kinda messed up the info since i EMAILED BOTH ACTRESSES and Laura said she was gonna be her voiced BUT Kerri said she that HER VOICE WAS USED IN THE DEMOS , and it did not change in the final game at the end of the day. So its KERRI ON THE 3DS.Hope this clear things UP!! Super Starbits PROOF:   --Swiftie Luma (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Kerri Kane is the Voice of Rosalina In BOTH VERSIONS of Smash Bros.
According to LAURA FAYE SMITH herself, she is not doing the voice in Smash Bros at all for Rosalina , in neither version. She emailed me and openly said that KERRI KANE is Rosalina's voice in BOTH versions. Proof:   Super Starbits

Nightgown
That "dress" Rosalina always wears? That's not a dress. That's a nightgown.

Sorry if this offends, but the difference between dress and nightgown is clearly: THIS IS A DRESS

It looks like a nightgown.

Is Rosalina's dress really a nightgown?

Decide Rosalina artwork
CANCELLED BY THE ADMINISTRATORS

My proposal is simple: to decide what artwork should be used for Rosalina in her infobox at the top of the page. In a previous TPP, it was decided to use her Super Mario Galaxy (SMG) artwork, but it has been changed to her artwork from Mario Kart Arcade GP DX (MK). However, the artwork should be from her Super Mario Galaxy appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background. The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the Mario Kart series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands. The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for Super Mario Galaxy should be used for her infobox. Proposer: Deadline: November 23, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support (Super Mario Galaxy artwork)

 * 1) Per proposal. Also I think her SMG artwork looks better.
 * 2) Mario Kart GP DX was in America, I think. I think I saw it at an arcade or something. However, Rosalina is recognized by fans to be a princess of the Lumas, not a princess driving in a kart. We could either use her original artwork OR we could use her SSB4 artwork, because both represent Rosalina in a really popular game.
 * 3) @Mario7: That was quite a long TPP for something kinda obvious. Per all.
 * 4) per all.

Oppose (Mario Kart Arcade GP DX artwork)

 * 1) Personally, I think the current image is fine. I see no issue with the white box, it still looks fine, and doesn't make the image look bad. And Rosalina's personality is more of a calm, mysterious person rather than a magical person which the current image demonstrates fine. And so what if Super Mari Galaxy is the "definitive game"? The infobox is not a popularity contest and so therefore "genre" has no baring on what goes in there. And why reference the previous TPP? Just because we decided on it that it should be kept then, doesn't mean it has to remain that way for all eternity. And to my final point in this, policy, which says "A representative image of the character - ideally, artwork from the most recently released game.", as previously said in this argument the current image is representative of her personality, if it wasn't then we wouldn't have kept that change since May, and also seeing as Arcade is more recent that Galaxy it fits that point as well.
 * 2) Per Yoshi876. The image should be from a recent game to keep the page looking fresh.
 * 3) Per -censored because of character-876
 * 4) Per all Yoshi876. MKAGPDX has the most recent acceptable artwork and therefore it's used instead.
 * 5) Per Yoshi876.
 * 6) This image is the most recent and is acceptable for the infobox, per all.

Comments
It may just be me, but I think this has as much worth as a full-on proposal as this one.
 * You would think, but there is a user who thinks not and kept reverting my edits, so here I am. 13:28, 9 November 2014 (EST)
 * BL64, I think this is actually more meritable for the proposal than the other one. At least the appearance of this Rosalina in a more obscure game for an infobox picture is a bit more debatable than the Bowser Jr. one. 13:58, 9 November 2014 (EST)
 * Oh, okay.
 * If you think "obscurity" actually means something here, which it doesn't. See my argument below. 14:24, 9 November 2014 (EST)

@Madz the Penguin: The actual accepted fact is that Rosalina is not a princess. More like a parental figure or guardian.

Hold on: if the policy says that the image from the most recent game is preferred, why not cropping the Luma and putting just Rosalina? It's already done here and she's calm enough to reflect her personality, unlike the SM3DW artwork. Also, updated dress (not that it matters much though).
 * Probably because like it says in the file name, it's been edited. That image is fanmade and thus it should not be used on a main series page.

Some of your arguments here:


 * "However, the artwork should be from her Super Mario Galaxy appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background."

Another thing: the Super Mario Galaxy artwork is much higher resolution than the other artwork. This is the strongest point the Super Mario Galaxy artwork is going for. Even in the article itself, the lower resolution shows, and the .jpg compression of the artwork makes it even more glaring.


 * "The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the Mario Kart series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands."

This isn't really relevant. Rosalina is seen frequently with her wand, without her wand. You're forgetting a major player here: Super Mario 3D World. Also, Rosalina doesn't really use her wand aside from Mario Golf: World Tour and Super Smash Bros.. While establishing impressions are important, Rosalina's design already does a pretty good job at showcasing the calm, collected, somewhat mysterious and magical space lady like Ms. Frizzle.


 * "The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for Super Mario Galaxy should be used for her infobox."

This argument is invalid. We use artwork that illustrates the character best, not artwork that's derived from a more popular game. Mario Party artwork has been chosen over Mario platformer artwork a few times. Finally, the artwork is technically not derived from an obscure game, unless you deem Mario Kart obscure. Yes, this artwork is directly ripped from the Mario Kart 7 "artwork", so any argument regarding "obscurity" is moot. 14:24, 9 November 2014 (EST)

There's an official policy on what art infoboxes should use, and as I said last time a TPP happened anyway, and less forcefully last time it happened here, the fact that it's written on Template:Character-infobox rather than a policy/help page, and the fact that people don't always read very specific instructions, don't make it optional. The rule is:

"A representative image of the character - ideally, artwork from the most recently released game. However, if the latest artwork is specialized for that game (i.e. the character's wearing sporting gear, driving a kart, etc.), an older image may be retained as the infobox image instead. Note that the infobox cannot be updated while a game is still upcoming: it can only be changed after the game is released."

The MKAGPDX is the most recent art and it's not specialized: she's not driving a kart or chillin' with Pac-Man or anything, just looking regal as always, making it a pretty unquestionably representative image. What game it came from really doesn't matter. There's nothing to discuss here, much less vote on, so in the interest of trying to end the cycle of TPPs that shouldn't exist in the first place, I'm cancelling this one right now. - 18:33, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Suggesting a small note regarding Rosalina's weight difference between Mario Kart and Smash Bros.
Currently, in the Smash Bros. section, it is stated that "Rosalina is a very lightweight fighter. In fact, she's one of the lightest fighters in the game, only being heavier than Kirby, Mr. Game & Watch, and Jigglypuff." I was going to suggest adding the following; "Interestingly, this contrasts with her appearances in the Mario Kart series, where she is placed in the heavy weight class." Or something along those lines, anyway. --H Hog (talk) 03:38, 3 February 2015 (EST)

--No, because ,:

Rosalina is only in the HEAVY weight class in Mario Kart, because , much like WALUiGI , she is one of the tallest characters , not one of the fattest like Bowser. Wario and such. Taller people, by logic , need more legroom in vehicles and that's why Rosalina and Waluigi use larger vehicles and subsequently end up in a Large weight class. Her actual WEIGHT is accurate in Smash, and there's no relation between it and her Class in Mario Kart since she is just Tall and doesn't weight anymore than she does in Smash.--Swiftie Luma (talk) 17:35, 17 February 2015 (EST) 17:35, 17 February 2015 (EST)

An inspiration?
I think Rosalina kinda inspired Disney to make the movie Frozen. Queen Elsa seems to slightly ressemble Rosalina. Also, Rosalina's Ice World, from Mario Kart 7, is quite similar to some places seen on Frozen. Frozen also features some things that are similar to Sherbet Land from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!. As a conclusion, I think Frozen is slightly inspired by Mario games.

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 * It was inspired by a fairy tale (even if the final product has nothing in common with the original story).


 * -Toa 95 (talk)

Kerri Kane says SHE IS NOT ROSALINA IN MP10
Here you go!

http://i.imgur.com/FGI6ZJM.png?1 --Swiftie Luma (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * I saw your message, you do not call other people liars, ESPECIALLY a sysop here who was editing under good faith, that is a warnable offense. Anyhow I'm still skeptical of this, I'm not sure what to believe. 22:57, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Kerri Kane says the credits are WRONG and that she could hear Rosalina's voice in MP10, and that is not her in that game.

Did you seriously just link to a screencap of you falsely identifying yourself as a Mariowiki staff member --Glowsquid (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm an autoconfirmed user and i contribute to this site Everytime i can with proper information and content, with staff i don't mean i own the site , i mean i'm part of the people that gather information to complete articles in here.--Swiftie Luma (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
 * Still doesn't make you staff: that title's reserved for promoted administrators, not any random old user who wants to increase their clout. It's a warnable offense, in fact. It's perfectly fine for editors to take the initiative and email voice actors and whatnot if they want, but don't lie to them: it potentially damaging to the wiki's credibility and reputation to have people masquerading as responsible authority figures, not to mention that it's inconsiderate to the person you're deceiving, insulting to your fellow editors who don't feel the need to embellish their titles, and disrespectful to those of us who have actually earned the right to call ourselves staff. - 18:13, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
 * If that's the case then please Excuse my behavior and excuse this misunderstanding, For that matter i personally believe that the best thing to do is the following , even if the email is actually true and all (you can always check this by emailing Kerri Kane): A) Updo Any edits on the matter recently, The page should be changed to reflect what the credits say. B) While i'm really sorry , i truly believe that this mistake i made is really Bad even if i didn't mean to , so i would like to know How to close my account in this wiki or whatever is similar to that , how do i do that? Should i PM an Admin? If so please , let me know so i can properly adress it. Sorry for the trouble! I was just trying to help , but i think i didn't do all the things right! Hopefully this will be enough to settle things :) --Swiftie Luma (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2015 (EDT)

For the record, the admins did email Kerri Kane (we've corresponded with her a couple times before now), and she confirmed the email's authenticity. She also elaborated that the script she read for Rosalina were sounds for the most part ("Lots of Hoo’s and Ha’s, Yeahs and Yahs, things like that"), with a few interjections, and did not include "a “Here I go” or the “Let’s go” that [she has heard] from Rosalina in MP10.". I will add this information and the proper citations to all the relevant pages. - 21:49, 16 March 2015 (EDT)

Princess?
Is Rosalina really a princess? The article currently states that she is, but is there an actual source that confirms this? I'm only mentioning this, because Nintendo hardly even recognizes her as a princess. 07:34, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

This was a topic that was already covered. Look at the conversation that talks about it on here.
 * I missed that conversation. Sorry about that. 12:55, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

Puzzle And Dragons Voice
My 2 cents, https://youtu.be/XDaUCptL5ow?t=3m8s --Swiftie Luma (talk) 09:34, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

8 bit sprite and meaning?
What could the 8 bit sprite of Rosalina possibly mean in Captain Toad Treasure Tracker? EG, the 8 bit Luigis in Super Mario 3D World symbolized The Year of Luigi. What could these Rosalina sprites mean? Also, is it safe to say she's playable in Super Mario Maker?--70.79.246.167 02:24, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

Her Rio 2016 outfit?
What kind of outfit is she wearing in this game? I can't determine this, because it looks like a cross between her dress from Super Mario Galaxy and her tennis dress from Mario Tennis Ultra Smash. The differences I found is that it looks like the bottom half of her dress is removed leaving only the sleeves on and her legs visible and (I don't know how to phrase this but) the dress runs between her legs and all the way to her back. Its as if the whole outfit needs to be put on and removed when changing. Any answers?--70.79.230.57 07:19, 31 December 2015 (EST)

Alternitive Outfits
There should be a new section highliting Rosalina's alternative outfits. Mario Kart Wii/Mario Kart 8 biking suit, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash tennis outfit, and Mario and Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games Gymnastics/Aquatics outfit + main outfit should be included. Add images aswell.

"Princess" Status
So, apparently there's some debate over whether or not Rosalina is actually classified as a princess. Prima guides seem to be the only source of information, even though the information they put out is finicky at best. Mario Kart Wii's trading card bio is the only thing close to official that I can find that actually refers to her as a "princess".

Most other games and bios call her with other names like a "mysterious woman", "Mother of the Lumas", or the "Cosmic Guardian". Not once does any game actually call her a princess in the game itself, so would any of these titles fit better instead? 16:28, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I think LinktheLefty nailed it down in his edit summary, "Prima is an official licensed legitimate source, and canon appeal is unacceptable. Additionally, a Mario Kart 8 Nintendo Direct called Baby Rosalina a princess. This isn't a name change. Don't revert." 16:33, 3 May 2017 (EDT)