Talk:Bowser Statue

Gray or Grey?
Should this article be moved to Gray Bowser Statue? Or are both spellings of gray/grey acceptable? -- Y ' o ' s ' h ' i ' 6 ' 2  6  03:24, 16 January 2007 (EST)


 * Both are correct, but Gray is more common. I will move the article. -- Son of Suns

Where did the name come from?
Where did the name come from? Is it official?-- 05:04, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I think that the Minigame in DS says "Bowser Statue", but that's the only proof I can think of. - 05:15, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Bowser statue is a better name
Shouldn't this be moved to "Bowser statue" due to the fact that that's an in-game name? Either way, the current name is a misnomer, as some of them, such as in the Mario Kart Wii remake of Bowser's Castle (N64), they are brown and not grey at all. For that matter, the giant Bowser statues fromMario Kart: Double Dash!! and Mario Kart Wii could be potentially moved into the Bowser Monument page, due to having more similarities with it appearance- and size-wise, as well as being capable of movement. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:51, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
 * I think the bigger issue is that every lump of rock that looks like Bowser is being covered in this article. The "Bowser statues" in Destruction Duet have no points in common with the Gray Bowser Statues in Super Mario Bros. 3, beyond how they both look like Bowser - except one is a sentient species and the other is an inanimate object. An entire clean-up of the article should be the first priority, in my opinion. 18:05, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

Split Bowser sculpture from this article
Yes, that obstacle in New Super Mario Bros. 2 that shoots out horizontally-moving fireballs. It can't technically be considered a statue since its upright mounting position is a wall, and besides, it looks and acts different from the Bowser "statues" that appear in other games. Time to split?

Proposer: Deadline: February 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal. (P.S. The name "Bowser sculpture" comes directly from the Prima guide)
 * 2) Per proposal. I wonder what's the Japanese name of both.

Oppose

 * 1) Per my comment.
 * 2) Given that Bowser Statues also act and look different from each game (the statue from New Super Mario Bros. for instance), I think this proposal is splitting hairs.
 * 3) Not enough proof they're different things, imo.
 * 4) This is being a little picky to me. Per all.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Per LinkTheLefty's comments.
 * 9) Per all, they look similar to other Bowser Statues, and what Bowser Statues' do varies, and according to LinkTheLefty they also have the same names as other Bowser Statues in Japanese, so these statues are most likely intended to be Bowser Statues, and per Doc von Schmeltwick a sculpture is a type of a statue.

Comments
It's a gargoyle head, which is indeed a subtype of statue. A bust is still a statue, remember. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:05, 3 February 2019 (EST)
 * Yeah, but before supporting or opposing, we'd have to find the Japanese names first. -- 04:35, 4 February 2019 (EST)
 * I may ask to Mister Wu though. -- 07:06, 7 February 2019 (EST)
 * In Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. 2s Bowser sculptures (200) have the same name as Super Mario Bros. 3s Bowser Statue (41) and Super Mario World's Gray Bowser Statue (60): 「クッパ石像」 (Kuppa sekizō). They have differences, but it's easier to group them together. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:13, 7 February 2019 (EST)
 * And since "sculpture" is not capitalized, it is not intended to be taken as a proper noun. -- 02:37, 8 February 2019 (EST)
 * It should be noted that New Super Mario Bros. 2 seems to have a different internal name (koopa_head; compare with Super Mario Galaxy / Super Mario Galaxy 2, which is KoopaStatue), and Mario Kart 8 features the return of the laser-shooting statues (which the Prima guide apparently calls "Laser Statues") originally unnamed in the English guides for Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario All-Stars, and Super Mario Advance 4 (so the Encyclopedia name for it may have been retroactive). Still, this seems like an "all or nothing" case, considering the behavior and appearance of Bowser statues in general is not consistent. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:11, 11 February 2019 (EST)

Bowser Monument
So, the Bowser Monument is distinct from Bowser statues because "normal" Bowser statues appear alongside it in the same course. Problem is, the Bowser Monument is clearly an evolution of the fluidly moving "Mecha Bowser" from Mario Kart Wii, which in turn is an evolution of the mechanical, jerkily moving Bowser Statue from Double Dash!! and "Danger, Bob-omb! Danger!" This may in turn be an evolution of the large, wholly-immobile statue from Mario Kart 64, but it isn't mechanical, and acts like the smaller busts of him inside. Anyways, I think some level of merging is in order. Personally, I think that the MKDD, DBD, and MKW ones should be merged to Bowser Monument, though there are other options at to how to handle this. For instance, they could all be merged here; SMA4 had an e-Reader level with both the SMB3 and SMW Bowser Statues in the same room, for example. Anyways, thoughts? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:39, October 27, 2019 (EDT)

Merge the large Bowser Statues from MK games starting with DD to Bowser Monument, or merge those back here
See above. In MKDD, there was a large, mechanized Bowser Statue from the waist up, which reappears in the Danger, Bob-omb! Danger! minigame with a somewhat more rocky appearance. In MKW, a more fluidly moving and complete version of the same size and design of Bowser Statue appears, with a guide calling it Mecha Bowser for some reason. In MK8, it appears again but more stony in texture, and is called the Bowser Monument in a guide to differentiate from the SMB3-inspired "Laser Statues" in the same track. Anyways, I think the MKDD, DB-oD, MKW, and MK8 info should all be on one page.

Proposer: Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Deadline: February 26, 2020, 23:59 GMT Extended to March 4, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Merge Double Dash and Danger info and Mecha Bowser to Bowser Monument

 * 1) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per above

Merge Mecha Bowser and Bowser Monument back here

 * 1) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per above
 * 2) While a clear evolution can be traced to this particular design, if giant Bowser statues can be merged with the Gold Bowser Statue article, we can do the same thing here in order to keep the article about the statues in general.
 * 3) Considering how often Bowser Statues change in behavior, size, and appearance from game to game (this page already has fire breathers, laser shooters, Bowser heads, and ordinary statues) it's probably better to keep them all in one place.

Merge Double Dash and Danger info to Mecha Bowser and leave the rest alone

 * 1) My preferred option.
 * 2) Alternate vote. Although the Double Dash!! incarnation clearly has a root with the 64 Bowser statue, it's clearly mechanical in nature, which makes it unique among the animated statues which all appear to be magical. While it doesn't appear to be as obvious in Wii, its name and role give it an obvious connection to the older version. For what it's worth, the internal names are koopaFigure in Wii and KoopaClaw in 8; in the latter, the other Bowser statues use the phrase "KoopaStat" in various texture files for the course model, implying separation of some sort as the "Monument" is more of a  monster.
 * 3) Per LinkTheLefty.
 * 4) Per all.

Do nothing

 * 1) Unlike the listed examples, the Bowser Monument can actually flatten racers with its punch, and doesn't really breathe fire. This alone, I feel, is enough of a behavioral difference to complicate the argument for splitting.

Comments
@Toadette I'd suggest option three for you, then, because separating "Mecha Bowser" but not the MKDD one seems...asymmetrical too. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:18, February 17, 2020 (EST)