User talk:Owencrazyboy9

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All right! You can now begin chatting! – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 18:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Smash Ultimate
But the thing is, they always appear as the final bosses for the characters' storylines that they do. Therefore, they are intended as specific entities, and aren't the randomly-generated thing like in the middle of Melee's classic mode. Metal Mario is Bowser's absolute final boss, and Giant DK is Jigglypuff's (with her story being an extended callback to Smash 64). Therefore, not having them is purely withholding information. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:21, 25 December 2018 (EST)
 * Oh, yeah? You could say the same thing about Bowser's fourth round, because they're always giant every time they're fought and they're not even at the end. Also, "final boss" is misleading. While most characters fight a specific boss from one of their franchises (e.g. Kirby vs. Marx), other times they either fight Master Hand or they don't. Take Mega Man for example. He fights Dr. Mario first and then Mewtwo afterwards. His actual boss fight takes place before the final round, which is against Galleom from the Subspace Emissary. Again, Bowser fights Rathalos whose round is before the Bonus Game, which is before the fight against Mario, and then later, Metal Mario. In this case, the only bosses that should count are the ones with health bars at the top of the screen instead of a Stamina Battle-esque HP counter at the bottom of the screen or a damage percentage meter. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 11:09, 25 December 2018 (EST)
 * That is wholly irrelevant. They are the final obstacle fought in the campaign, and as such the final boss. Rathalos isn't the boss for Bowser, but is for other characters who face him. Games can have multiple final bosses; Kirby Super Star, for example, has King Dedede, Dyna Blade, Meta Knight, Wham Bam Rock, and Marx all acting as final bosses for their respective modes. The fact is, Metal Mario and Giant DK were individual bosses in the original SSB, and they're even moreso here. Not having them is misleading in that it's not acknowledging they exist, but it's outright hiding the fact that certain entities that aren't the ones otherwise listed act as the final battle for the mode. The stamina vs. % thing doesn't matter either; Metal Mario acted as a boss in the first two games, and had a %. And yes, that's still a boss, just as much as Sagat is a boss in Street Fighter II. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2018 (EST)
 * In case you want to use it as a reference, SmashWiki classifies Giant Donkey Kong and Metal Mario in Ultimate as minor bosses. 19:36, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Looked it up. Yeah, they are classified as "minor." Even though the fact stands that they are not classified as "bosses" (e.g. They don't have a health bar at the top of the screen), we can maybe make this distinction in the actual template itself. Waiting to see other's thoughts first before going through. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Metal Mario was a boss in the original SSB, and didn't have a health bar. Giga Bowser was a boss in Melee, and didn't have a health bar. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * My comment said to distinguish these two as "minor" bosses, not the real deal. Again, they are not classified as actual "bosses" (again, they don't have the health bar at the top of the screen and rely on the good ol' damage percentage meter every other playable fighter has). – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Talking on SmashWiki Discord, I'm told these two characters only appear at the end of a character's route during Classic. They do appear during spirit battles, but so do Ganon and Giga Bowser. With that, I'm pretty sure these are intended to be some kind of bosses. 22:00, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * And by spirit battles, you mean World of Light? Those two are actual bosses, as in, health bar at the top of the screen and both appear in both Classic Mode and World of Light. So do Marx, Galleom, Dracula and Rathalos, to name a few. Metal Mario and Giant DK are just the regular characters with a permanent Metal Box or Super Mushroom power-up and it's just me but calling them bosses is a big stretch; even if they were intended to be callbacks to the original N64 game, even more so in Jigglypuff's case. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 22:57, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * A health bar is not the defining factor of being a boss. Rather, the role is, and they fit the role in their respective routes. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 * Yes, I meant World of Light. I'd say both the health bar and the role is what defines a boss here. If it has both a health bar and is fought at the end of a major goal, they are a major boss. While Metal Mario and Giant DK do not have a health bar, their role is similar to Master Hand's in previous games, i.e. a boss. In Classic, they share the same roles as Giga Bowser, Ganon, and Dracula, etc. Defeat them to win the whole challenge, the definition of a boss. 00:43, 5 January 2019 (EST)