Talk:Beanie

Category?
Would it be overkill to make ? Niiue (talk) 03:15, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Given that there's only like three, then yes, yes it would. 02:48, 13 August 2017 (CT)
 * Five actually. Niiue (talk) 03:52, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
 * Per this: not really necessary if they're all already listed on the Beanie page. 03:58, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
 * They could probably fit in Category:Beanish maybe? Or is that mainly for the more humanoid characters? 12:48, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
 * The Beanish category is vaguely defined, considering it also includes Beanlets, which are explicitly shown to be pets of the Beanish, and at one point included every enemy that was equivalent to another enemy from the main series (Lakipea, for example, was including since it was the "Beanish" equivalent of a Lakitu). It could do with a good once-over. 13:00, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

Identifier
This didn't have an identifier before. This is an enemy that has appeared in three fairly-popular games. The other Beanie is a projectile that one boss rarely shoots (seemingly preferring to use vines, iirc) from a largely-unpopular game. Logic dictates that this could easily take priority....but either way, the identifier's bad, it should be "Mario & Luigi series" since they appeared in Dream Team during one of Gold Beanie's attacks. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
 * I've actually played Yoshi's New Island and I completely forgot about the Beanies from that game. I'm for killing the identifier altogether. 02:30, 30 August 2018 (EDT)
 * As told here, those from Yoshi's New Island don't have a source of the Beanie name (hence Snifberg isn't called after the enemy either). -- 10:59, 30 September 2018 (EDT)
 * I would support removing the identifier from this page, as these Beanies are recurring enemies, rather than projectiles. The current identifier is definitely incorrect due to their appearance in Dream Team. -- 11:03, 30 September 2018 (EDT)
 * The page says that it’s about the recurring character, not the boss. I know that the Mame-san that it shoots out would be called Beanies, but since there is no source, the Big Beanie would not have much related to these Beanies.

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 12:03, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
 * This was already resolved two years ago. 12:22, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
 * Oops… Sorry. My mistake. —-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 12:48, October 9, 2021 (EDT)

Derived from Goombas?
On the page, it says Beanies are a derived species of Goomba. I thought they were just the BeanBean Kingdom's equivalent of Goombas. Should I change Goombas to a related species? Kan Kan Mikan~ (talk) 19:16, May 29, 2019 (EDT)
 * They seem somewhat along the lines of Lakipea, Sharpea, Troopea, and other bean versions of normal enemies. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:43, May 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * The way the species relations parameters work on here is sort of vague. They seem to at least be conceptually derived from them, but they aren't a variant of them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:12, May 30, 2019 (EDT)
 * I see. Well, thanks for your time. :D Kan Kan Mikan~ (talk) 05:42, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
 * More than two years have passed and Beanies are STILL variants of Goombas. Why hasn’t anyone changed it?

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 17:32, October 11, 2021 (EDT)

Confusion
I can’t understand why beanies are variants of Goombas. Is there any reason why they are variants? I personally would say that you can compare beanies to Goombas.

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 19:09, October 8, 2021 (EDT)
 * They function as the Beanbean equivalent of Goombas, which is supported by the Japanese name. 17:42, October 11, 2021 (EDT)
 * I know they function like Goombas, but how the variants work is confusing. They could just be comparable because they seem to have a rivalry against each other. Plus, they are only conceptually derived, not variants, as explained in the previous comment more than two years ago.

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 08:07, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * On the contrary, we do list Shrooblets as "comparable" in the Goomba's infobox despite clearly being the Shroob versions of Goombas. 08:11, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * That is my point. Since Shrooblets are the Shroob versions of Goombas, and Beanies are the Beanish versions of Goombas, how come Shrooblets are comparable and Beanies are variants? I know that Troopeas are variants of Koopa Troopas, but this makes sense because the Bros. fight them as if they were normal Koopa Troopas, which don’t appear in the game. On the other hand, Goombas are weaker than Beanies and both appear in the game. The stats of the Goomba is: hp: 4 attack: 1 defense: 19 speed: 4. The stats of the Beanie is: hp: 6 attack: 18 defense: 20 speed: 18. As you can see, Goombas are weaker than Beanies by quite a lot. Though this doesn’t really prove that Beanies are not variants of Goombas, one version of each enemy only appears. There is no enemy duplicate. I also know that a few names contain a part of “Goomba,” but that is not the point. A few other variants of other enemies don’t contain part of the main enemy’s name in another language. Besides, Shrooblets are more than being conceptually derived from Goombas, they are more like a transformation. But it is good enough for Shrooblets to be comparable.

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 08:15, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * The different stats are because of game progression, like in Dream Team regular Goombas have much higher stats than Grombas because they are fought a lot later. 08:53, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * I know that, but they have absolutely nothing to do with being variants of Goombas. Just because they are fought earlier is not the point. I don’t think Beanies are variants of Goombas. Plus, they seem to not want to be related in any way to Beanies. Also, most variants know about the main species, which is not the case with Beanies.

—-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 09:00, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * I'd argue that Shrooblets should be listed as Goomba variants rather than a vaguely related species. 09:04, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

I agree. Maybe we can make a switch; Beanies and Shrooblets swapping places. What do you think? —-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 09:07, October 12, 2021 (EDT)
 * The ultimate reason is it's a leftover from before I had the species infobox parameters altered, which wasn't terrifically long ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:40, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Proposal
This conversation has taken a bit too long. I am making a proposal to see what anyone thinks about this idea. It will be about if we can change Beanies and Shrooblets to a different infobox category in Goomba. I personally think we should swap the two, for this reason; Beanies don’t have any relationship to Goombas, and Shrooblets have a relationship to Goombas. The “Beanies Only” section is to vote for making Beanies comparable. The “Shrooblets Only” section is to vote for making Shrooblets variants. I personally think Beanies should be comparable, but I don’t have an opinion about Shrooblets.

Proposer: Deadline: October 26, 2021, 23:59 GMT

Switch Beanies and Shrooblets

 * 1) Per proposal. Second Choice. OhoJeeOnFire (talk)

Shrooblets only

 * 1) It seems pretty obvious to me that they're both variants of Goombas.
 * 2) It still doesn't explain why Captain Goomba doesn't recognizes a Beanie when he sees one at the start of his journey. Per Hewer.
 * 3) . I’ve always seen Beanies to Goombas as Lakipeas are to Lakitus, Troopeas are to Troopas, Sharpeas are to Spinies... The Japanese name also supports this. The M&L series always has some variant of Goomba as an early-game enemy: see Goombule and Gromba as well.
 * 4) Per all.
 * 5) Wait... Shrooblets weren't considered Goomba variants this whole time? Visual connections being obvious enough, yeah, definitely. Also, per Scrooge200.
 * 6) Per proposal. I fail to see what makes one a variant and the other just “comparable”. Both are kingdom-related variants, both should be considered such.
 * 7) Per Proposal. New First Choice. I understand what everyone means about this.OhoJeeOnFire (talk)
 * 8) Per all.

Do nothing
Beanie parallels other Beanbean counterparts like Troopea, Lakipea, Sharpea, Boomer/Beanerang Bro, etc. It just wouldn't sit right with me to treat it any different from those. As for Shrooblet, I'd prefer to do nothing due to no known name being derived from Goomba and the fact that standard Shroobs are already considered comparable to Toads instead of a variant. Basically, consistency with related species.

Comments
If anyone is confused, look at the previous comment for information about what this is about. —-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 09:19, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Why isn't there an option to consider both of them variants? 10:42, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Oh, that’s the “Shrooblets only” section. It is for making Shrooblets variants only. Beanies are already variants. —-OhoJeeOnFire (talk) 10:56, October 12, 2021 (EDT)