User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick/Archive 3

Re:SMBE JP SML2
Yes, Furiko is mentioned as a smaller version of Furizō and the Mario Zone bosses are only known individually in the Japanese version (not "Three Little Pigheads" or any other group name) on page 76. They were also in the older encyclopedia, I've added that reference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Raphael
The situation is not exactly the same as Big Lantern Ghost, as both that one from Paper Mario and from Yoshi's New Island have different Japanese names. The one from Paper Mario's size is roughly the same as the the metallic one and has a bandage on his forehead, while the one from Yoshi's New Island is bigger and lacks the bandage. And the Lantern isn't exactly the same, so this is why i putted the split template on Big Lantern Ghost. The Big Lantern Ghost from Paper Mario's Japanese name is Big Kantera-kun, while the Yoshi's New Island one is Mega Kantera. -- 04:39, 6 November 2018 (EST)
 * If it gets merged, should "Big Kyutyan" be at least a redirect, since it's Raphael's Japanese name is romanized as Big Kyutyan, and usually, when an english name is found, there's still a redirect to the Japanese name. Take exemple on Slip Slidin' Away (Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3). -- 04:03, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Raven
I guess so, in lieu of anything better. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2018 (EST)

re:Obvious terrible photoshop
I'm getting of the obvious really shitty ones first. I'm a bit more hesitant on the recolours since I vaguely remember finding something that indicates the obvious edit that is the Kreepy Krow render is actually legit, but if that guy isn't able to prove those images aren't fan edits (which DKVine's galleries are full of), I'll just delete them tomorrow. --Glowsquid (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2018 (EST)

"Only" in Sentences
I've learned that putting "only" in different places in a sentence can alter the meaning of it. For example, "The bucket can only hold three gallons of water," means that the bucket holds three gallons of water but does not empty it, whereas "The bucket can hold only three gallons of water," means that the bucket can hold no more than three gallons of water. People who take certain sentences literally might misunderstand what they are really saying. Dwhitney (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Updating files
Ah, thanks. That had never happened before, so I was wondering if there was something weird about the image I was trying to upload. Scrooge200 (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Your username being hard to type
I was mostly joking. Don't worry dude, I love your name :P -- 19:14, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spike Top artwork
What I do know is that the "Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia" came out approximately four years after Super Mario World and one year before Mario Clash. If it's the first appearance of the Spike Top artwork, that time gap can lead one to conclude that it doesn't fully coincide with the game. Note that the book seems to have artwork exclusively drawn for it (namely some arcade and Game Boy enemies), so there's a decent chance it was made later. If there is an earlier release of the artwork, let me know! LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Spirit Sandbox
I'm still working on it, so it's still rough around the edges.

Regarding the Big Bertha thing, I'd rather some discussion actually taking place before slapping a or  onto the page, though, especially given there were two proposals for that that failed, rather than having the template remain there for weeks without any discussion moving the matter forward. 05:10, 16 November 2018 (EST)

re:Mr Yporolsa
Thanks, but I already know that you can upload new versions of files instead uploading a new one. It just said that I can't upload a new version. Idk why, but now it works normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RE: Flower Fields
That something is odd about Flower Fields doesn't mean it's a different dimension or anything of the like. Super Mario Bros. 3 features several places with a unique sun, and no one argues that those places are in a different world than the Mushroom Kingdom. Anyway, I brought the point up on the Discord channel; and an admin removed the speculation about precursors but left the rest, which is fine by me. JaybirdC (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Squeaks
You're right, but looking again, the disambig is now completely unnecessary since the name for Little Mouser in The Thousand-Year Door is "Squeek" and not "Squeak" like it stated. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:00, 18 November 2018 (EST)
 * It seems silly to keep the disambig page when one example is a misspelling and the other is a fake. I'd say it falls under the "too general" exemption. I don't understand why the policy was recently updated to retain conjectural titles and spelling mistakes, but the spelling mistake only applies to one actual subject. Either way, Mario jc already deleted it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Commas and name citations
Yes, it was Walkazo. Specifically, I remember there was a post about how that citation style was preferred because it is more academic or scientific. Although, the way things were done before was "first come, first serve" generally, but Big Cheep Cheep having an inconsistency with the commas right in the first sentence just looked silly. In fairness, things have changed since then (for example, we now enforce American spelling over British spelling instead of using whichever happened to be written first, which frankly looked unprofessional yet actually used to be warnable), so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to look into getting a clearer policy on this as well to help set the record straight. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE: Stubs
Okay. Thanks for telling me. -- 17:10, 19 November 2018 (EST)

RE:Hamma Jamma
Sorry I didn't respond to you sooner! Yeah, I didn't take in-game into consideration... Guess there's always a next time. 20:12, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Re: Snow Guy
I'm pretty sure they are just regular Shy Guys to be honest. I don't think I've seen Snow Guys ANYWHERE in Tennis Aces.

19:16, 22 November 2018 (EDT)

RE:Big Bertha
Why should I take this serious anyways? Remember, this is a wiki about a videogame franchise. This wiki is just a game for me and I argued not because I care much about that or something, but because I just like arguing against people and mocking them (although you shouldn't take it all too personal). I should expect an adult to be able to separate jokes and arguments from a post and take the quintessence out of it, and not cry about the writer not being completely serious in such a discussion. 14:16, 23 November 2018 (CET)

Spark and Piro Dangle
Sure they are similar, and have the same Japanese name, but have a different design, and don't exactly do the same thing. Normal Sparks can't have their electricity off for a few seconds, and Piro Dangle are fiery instead of electric. And they didn't appear at the same time. -- 01:44, 26 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Color variations: Toads vs Yoshis
I guess that the original proposal was specifically about enemies, but still, you'd think that similar logic applies here (although even the unique color abilities generally disappeared after Super Mario World unless I'm forgetting something). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Spriter's Resource
It would make more sense, but I've only found references to the Spriters Resource on it and VG Resource-related sites. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Re:Mask and Birdface
If I recall correctly, the Shogakukan guide for Super Mario Collection/All-Stars gave the goal and boss versions unique names, so that could work. Mister Wu might be the one to clarify. Though, both have the same name in the original Inside Out guides. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Template:DidYouKnow
Did You Know template should have four points and an image, so rather than remove that information, it should be replaced. 18:32, 28 November 2018 (EST)
 * You did, but rather than remove the information and tell someone else to replace it, you should find a replacement of your own so the four points and image remain. I can find something, but just letting you know for next time. 18:38, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Re:A question on Dark Horse
To be honest, I don't know too much about the Zelda Encyclopedia translation due to losing interest in post-Hyrule Historia books after I heard that Hyrule Graphics onwards was mostly written by Nintendo Dream with a conspicuous disclaimer stating that artistic liberties were taken with the source material, essentially making them licensed fanfiction in my eyes. The new things that Encyclopedia says about the Kokiri and Majora's Mask makes me certain those magazine writers took the chance to get their fan theories approved. Of course, I could be wrong and Nintendo really did intend for Kokiri to only be rural Hylians who aren't actually children or that saving Termina was basically purposeless, but the fact we've only heard about these details in such a sketchy product makes me seriously question the authenticity of these claims. It disappoints me that Zelda Wiki decided these recent books override references to existing ones for no good reason, knowing the iffy writing and flimsy translation.

But I digress. I do know of at least one error with the translation of Encyclopedia, and that has to do with its timeline. In the newer timeline (which seems to be valid since the series' Japanese website reuses it), in addition to the inclusion of some games that have been released since Hyrule Historia, the position of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages was moved from between A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening to sometime not long after both. In the Japanese version, it's a different Link, presumably to explain why Zelda doesn't appear to recognize him (even though he literally waltzes right up to the Triforce and is automatically accepted as a hero right at the beginning of these games, so there was going to be a plot hole either way). In the English version, it's the same Link, making the shift pointless. Personally, after A Link Between Worlds implied that the characters of "Gramps" and "Mapes" were respectively ALttP Link and Maple, I don't understand the change. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:50, 2 December 2018 (EST)
 * Even more - it's outright stated. There was a Zelda Universe thread when the Japanese version, Hyrule Encyclopedia, first came out (post #30 is where the Termina bit is translated, post #123 is where the staff page and "creative liberty" statement were discovered). Though in retrospect, Nintendo more or less letting fans write encyclopedic books for one of their key franchises sort of set the bar for what happened with the English version of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)
 * Yeah, I also feel pretty strongly about it, and they're both among my personal favorite 2D and 3D games in the series. I'm still crossing my fingers for Miyamoto or Aonuma to address the exclusive Encyclopedia material with something along of lines of "well, that's only one possible interpretation." LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:19, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Data-rendered models
I understand. From now on, I'll post these kinds of images in their own separate "Data-rendered models" section. --MarioKartDoubleDash (talk) 12:39, 5 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boss Bass
That's exactly what I meant when I brought up the Ptooie case. 13:44, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Blurp Bass
Well, the game itself only refers to them as Blurps (Japanese: Pukupuku, oddly enough), so you can easily consider them the same thing but just color variants of each other. Additionally, Red Blurp itself is very similar to Boss Bass, and having Blue Blurp in the same article would actually help a ton in differentiating them (plus it's about as likely to have been the Star Hole in Mario Golf, so taking it as one "Blurp" would make that a bit cleaner). So I would lean towards this idea, sure. As for the artwork, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the original source for it might have been the old website. If it is, it probably accompanies Cheep Cheep or Red Blurp, so we'd go with whichever one it was. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Re: YouTube for DiC
Does this mean I'll have to use "WildBrain - Cartoon Super Heroes" for the highest quality or does this mean I have to type in "HD" next to the "YouTube" part of the upload data of File:SpinyTAOSMB3.png?

Is there some queer alternatives to this nowadays?

8: 39, 8 December 2018 (EDT)

Re: Русский язык
That's actually supposed to happen whenever you italicize Russian. Granted, it also confused me in the little Russian language book I got for myself when studying as it didn't mention that it does that (and it did that also whenever it wrote in italics, so it confused me on how to pronounce it. See the difference between Русский язык and Русский язык. It's not just the t's that get affected but other words too and I have yet to distinguish them. Probably should type all of the Cyrillic out and see what gets affected by the italicization. 13:05, 9 December 2018 (EST)

Donut Plains
Informal shortening? Why? This sounds me British English and this does not count as informal language. 15:49, 12 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Image galleries
I'm sorry for what happen Benjaminkirsc (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Hothead
Right as I got that I just noticed the image notice on Gallery:Super_Mario_World, though I looked around and it seems Ultimate does use the Smash artwork for the spirit oddly enough. 19:50, 13 December 2018 (EST)

A spooky question
Since you told me you've worked with music and sound before, I'd like to know your opinion on something. Let's say there's a game that reuses a track from another game with some differences, such as having a different soundfont and maybe some pitches added. For example, Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis uses a version of the Spooky House theme from Mario vs. Donkey Kong for its Spooky Attic level. In this case, what should the Spooky Attic version be called in relation to the original?
 * "remix" is out of the question because the composition is the same
 * "arrangement" sounds too pretentious for what it is; the term feels like it would refer to an orchestrated version or something that uses real instruments, while here we're talking strictly electronic sounds
 * "cover" is used exclusively for songs, afaik.

For situations like these, I prefer using the term "retuned version" (e.g. "The Spooky Attic theme is a retuned version of the Spooky House theme.") because it uses different tunes for the same composition. However, not only does it sound fake, it can also be misread as "returned" with a second "r".

There are many music tracks from the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series in the same situation and I want to know what's good for the future. Therefore, what term do you think best fits this case? -- 19:59, 13 December 2018 (EST)
 * Thanks, I dumb and didn't think of putting it that simply. -- 22:12, 13 December 2018 (EST)

RE: Boomerang Bro. image problem
Sorry, I'm not sure what the problem is myself but I'll bring it up in admin discussion and see if any of the more tech-savvy staff know. Which artwork specifically doesn't load? Do they show up when logged out? I had a problem where the word "Advertisements" didn't show up in headers while logged in because an ad-blocker hid anything with ID "Advertisements" from me, so maybe it could be something similar to that. 00:50, 16 December 2018 (EST)


 * Yep, that seems to be a similar case according to Porplemontage. Just disable it for MarioWiki since ads don't appear when logged in anyway. 01:34, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Re:Biglies
Yeah, Big Bullet Bill was probably just me remembering incorrectly (unless someone somehow submitted a hacked level, but I doubt it). The Kamella reasoning makes sense, though I am curious if Big Magikoopa's name would happen to be exactly the same as Giant Kamek's (I couldn't find out with quick searching, but it's probably Deka Kamek anyway). LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:44, 21 December 2018 (EST)

Ukiki and other "Giant" enemies.
I forgot to ask you in a while though. You said if your Cheep Chomp proposal failed, you said we should reconsider Ukiki/Grinder/Osaru-san. Should we also reconsider other Kyodai/Dai and Deka enemies too? Or only for Ukikis? -- 12:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)
 * In which reason for Koopa Troopa? Unlike Big Boo, the "Big" enemies don't seem to be based off each other. -- 13:06, 2 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Complicating frog
The same can be said about Dark Moon frogs (since they also act as enemies) and they aren't going to be split. The differences from one frog to another are so variable that it's safer to keep them lumped together into one article to avoid confusion. -- 18:49, 6 January 2019 (EST)

About Togemen
That's fine, but I was actually going to say that, if calling the original version "white" is the point of contention (as it may be more accurately just imply a lighter hue), I'd be okay if you also wanted to remove that bit. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Re:Purple Bullet Bill
With the case of SMB3 Missile Bill, i'm waiting for Mister Wu's answer to see if Bull's Eye Bill was listed as a SMB3 enemy in the Super Mario Pia, so we can have a proof if the section should stay, or merged with Bullet Bill. With the case of Purple Bullet Bill, (which i didn't notice until you bring that to my talk page) is actually a color behavior difference (with the Encyclopedia using an identifier as other colored enemies). -- 04:09, 23 January 2019 (EST)
 * You mean in these cases? -- 04:22, 23 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Edit summary length
Some changes Steve made to the CSS I presume. It's likely a work in progress, as there are some features missing like the collapsible nav templates. 19:21, 24 January 2019 (EST)

RE:Ghosts template
There still is templates like that, such as Template:Flowers. Also, Alex95 approved of the Ghosts template. I did not know that we deleted templates like that, as the Ghosts template was deleted as it was moved to template:Undead, which was in turn deleted, although the delete log only said get outta here. It does say that these templates are deleted on Navigation templates, so I will add a delete template on the template. 12:27, 28 January 2019 (EST)

RE: Piranha
shoot thanks for the heads up. Even if I can't move things, am I still allowed to add things to articles?

Re:"Normal Pokey Doesn't Appear In The Game"
That's called "Dharma Sambo" (だるまサンボ) on page 127 of Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., but the Prima guide calls it a red "Pokey" on pages 197 and 204. The Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide isn't as neat as the Super Mario Galaxy 2 one and calls several enemies more generically (for example, Piranha Plant and Spiny Piranha Plant are both "Piranha Plants", Goomba and Goombeetle are both "Goombas", Octoguys are "squids", etc.). Dharma Samba is smaller than Coco Sambo and is defeated more easily, so I totally get how the wiki arrived at "Pokey" and "Big Pokey" - but that's also now Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia material, so we should probably do something about them. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * "Big Pokey" got in the English Encyclopedia (so did the Spiny/Prickly mix-up that you and Ultimate caught on, incidentally), so at least that one's in a position where it should be changed. The red Pokey / Dharma Sambo might use some discussion first since there's something to it, though. Anyway, I've been using the filename romanizations since they do match up ("Dharma" likely refers to a, with which it shares etymology in Japanese, I guess due to its smoother round segments). About that website - I know what you're talking about. It was here and it had WIP info on the sequel and Super Mario 3D Land as well, but now it's been converted to a game hack page and the original site seems gone. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * That's another reason why I thought it might be better to just split off Big Pokey now and worry about the red Pokey later, but there's "coconut" for Coco Sambo and "red" for Dharma Sambo off the top of my head. Neither are very ideal, though. Maybe "yellow Super Mario Galaxy enemy" and "red Super Mario Galaxy enemy" or something along those lines if it's not too wordy. Also, since the namesake coconuts aren't used to defeat the Thwomp Desert Pokey, I don't think it's supposed to be the same thing. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * If that's the case, then both should be merged with Pokey (at least for now), since having Coco Sambo as Big Pokey would basically be citing Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia... LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * The thing is that Big Pokey didn't properly exist until New Super Mario Bros. U. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:14, 31 January 2019 (EST)
 * You're right! There are definitely two different-sized Pokeys in the Double Dash version of the course, so I'll add it as its debut. It'd be simplest to leave the article unsplit... Although, on the other hand, the trading card also treats them as color variations instead of mentioning a size difference. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:SMRPG Magikoopa
There are several Magikoopas seen with Bowser at Rose Way and Moleville, so I think the more likely scenario is that Square intended for a Magikoopa to be fought as a basic enemy like the Goombas and Terrapins that also accompany Bowser (in fact, there's some evidence suggesting that there might have been an entire deleted area), but it was removed and repurposed for the intro (Magidragon and BB-Bomb have blank names in the Japanese version, so they were likely always intended for the intro). This may be the reason why Magikoopa/Kamezard was given a unique name from the generic Magikoopa/Kamek. That reminds me: in the Japanese version, it's made clearer that not only was Kamezard leading Bowser's Magikoopas, but Jagger and the Goomba from Monstro Town (the guardian of the triplets) were also part of Bowser's remaining Terrapins and Goombas. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Doki Doki
Noted. Also; it's possible - but here's a better link. The website credits the "Doki Doki Panic" help guide as their source for said images, whatever a help guide is. Manual? Strategy guide? Regardless... Also here's a link to all images tagged DDP
 * I found Hisshō Kōryakuhō when I looked up a Doki Doki Panic help guide, and found an enemy page from the book. It matches up with the art in the Super Mario USA version as seen on the talk page (note Mario and a potion can be spotted there), so it seems the company reused artwork. You can also see that there's artwork that the Video Game Art Archive didn't upload, such as Tryclyde and Green Birdo. I can't tell at this point if all of the artwork is the same, as the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual updated Pokey and the guide's artwork is closer to the original. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2019 (EST)

RE:Bullet Bill
By zooming in on this part of this video you can see servrel black dots on the sprite. It seems like there are these dots on the sprite, so I apologize for my mistake. 18:41, 8 February 2019 (EST)
 * It seems like the dots are an error then, so I again apologize for my mistake. 20:51, 8 February 2019 (EST)

About using romanized file names
I don't think it's inherently ridiculous; I did the same approximation for the "Big" enemies (like Paragoomba) from Super Mario Galaxy 2, which kept things more consistent and much less of a headache to keep track of on those pages. It slightly bends protocol a bit, sure, but it conveniently aligns with the current conclusion. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I mean, if "Giant Land Para-Goomba" couldn't be used, then using "Big Paragoomba" like that would've been anachronistic, hence referencing the filename (also because the older big names for the other enemies were spanning several different time frames and frankly looked silly when applied to Super Mario Galaxy 2 given they'd be using the current names right in the next game). Though I guess they're not direct romanizations like Propeller Packun because that would be "Deka" and unusable. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I concede on Propeller Piranha, but again (even putting aside that Big Paragoomba didn't exactly exist yet): Giant Goomba originally came from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Piranha Plant originally came from the New Super Mario Bros. guide, and the big Koopa Troopa presented the distinct problem of which name from the Super Mario Bros. 3 guide would be most appropriate (should it be Giant Koopa, which is an umbrella term that could be grouping Colossal Koopa Paratroopas together, or Green Gargantua Koopa Troopa, even though Red Giant Koopa Troopas don't appear and thus the color distinction is superfluous?). It was a hodge-podge of various outdated sources, and in this case, a simpler, less messy method is available - the "Big" filenames arriving at the same destination. Either way, it wasn't going to be perfect. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * Are you thinking of the Koopa Troopas from the first game? They also came in red, but they're all green in the sequel. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I was referring to Super Mario Galaxy 2. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * I'm referring to the enemies from Supermassive Galaxy in general, which all reference their modern "Big" names now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2019 (EST)
 * Keep in mind that Big Wigglers and Big Thwomps are also in Supermassive Galaxy, so you would've had all these different names for a big enemy from more or less unrelated sources clashing with the modern one within the same space. That case is one where being strict is counterintuitive and a bit of an eyesore. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:10, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Because it marks a turning point where the standard was knowingly switched to "Big" over the unique names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Just Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as far as I know. If it counts, the Super Mario Galaxy Prima guide calls it a "big Goomba" then switches to "giant Goomba" (29). Unfortunately, the Super Mario Galaxy 2 Prima guide also didn't use proper names. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Just like Small Goomba, the impression I had is that it was never considered a "true" Big Goomba since it is a normal one artificially under Kamek's spell, but I could be wrong. LinkTheLefty (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2019 (EST)
 * Paper Mario: Color Splash is a case where the Japanese names are different as well, with Mega Goomba being Kyodai Kuribō instead of Deka Kuribō and Small Goomba being Chibi Kuribō instead of Mame Kuribō (though for what it's worth, the internal names are big_kuribo and small_kuribo). LinkTheLefty (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2019 (EST)

I just found out that the Prima guide for Super Mario 3D World consistently gives the name "Mega Piranha Plant" to Big Piranha Plant, and since the filename for it is PackunFlowerBig, that proves me wrong. So I'll move the affected big enemies back to the then-current names and make an exception for Big Paragoomba. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Flurry Sunshine
I didn't notice the buttons, but they lack the distinct feet that Flurries have and don't seem to have their squat shape, so they look to be depicted as more like nondescript snowmen to me. 18:18, 14 February 2019 (EST)
 * It's hard to tell because they're animated. I honestly don't think there's enough to say with absolute certainty that they are Flurries, but maybe it would work better as trivia? Something like, "there are snowmen in the background of the Gleam Glacier map that have a resemblance to Flurries, but bounce instead of walk due to their lack of feet." And noted; I was just following Paper Jorge's lead there. I may go back and fix the links later. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:50, 14 February 2019 (EST)

Re:Surprise Flower
I would guess "Flower" because I see internal references to that word, but I actually asked to look into it for me earlier. Do you know how soon the deadline is for the month's 'Shroom Spotlight? LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2019 (EST)
 * No idea - I skimmed through the early Nintendo Power coverage, their Inside Out, Mario Mania and All-Stars guides, and even the Prima Super Mario Advance guide for good measure, and haven't found it at all. According to Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., it's not Super Mario USA artwork since that's just an early version of the Super Mario Advance artwork, and the one in the Super Mario World section is just an alternate recolored version of the jumping variant artwork from the Super Mario USA section. Worse case scenario, it's random fan-art that somehow got mixed in here. Unfortunately, the uploader hasn't posted in about five years. On another note, related to the above - do you think the appearance of Big Goomba in New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Mario Galaxy 2 should be referred to as Grand Goomba instead of Giant Goomba? The reason being that "Grand Goomba" comes from Super Mario series sources whereas "Giant Goomba" was only used in a Smash Bros. series source (similar to this failed proposal idea). LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2019 (EST)

Re: Chinese Midbus
BiS wasn't officially released in mainland China, the release in Taiwan was just the Japanese version imported. The later translated names are unofficial translations. EC2-Towards (talk) 06:27, 19 February 2019 (EST)

Something's wrong with the MLSSBM Bestiary!
Hey. I really hate to be a tattletale right now, but an anomymous user is constantly editing the Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions bestiary. I don't know what's up with | all the hoopla going on, but I think you should talk to whoever was editing the stats. The "Fawful (1)" and "Fawful (2)" categories are messing up the top part of the bestiary.

19:10, 22 February 2019 (EDT)

Conjecture
Chill dude, it was a joke and I was about to add the template back. Me not noticing it the first time around was a mistake. Sheesh. 18:57, 22 February 2019 (EST)
 * I know, don't educate me on that. I would never actually vandalize a page, and I think my contributions to this site stand as solid proof for that. I hit Save Changes to add the template back right as you reverted the previous edit yourself. The joke was made in the first place to show you that I didn't notice the template the first time around, in a light-hearted way, but then you took it seriously and that upset me. 19:15, 22 February 2019 (EST)
 * Writing an edit summary takes long. Ooh, I made a slightly unconstructive edit that I was just about to revert. Burn the vandal on stake. 19:19, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Just drop this. 19:24, 22 February 2019 (EST)
 * I hope Doc will drop it as well. I hate it when you do something a little silly, with no bad intentions, and people become harsh on you. It only adds up to your insecurity, and people then ask what's wrong with you. I just want to combat this because I'm full of it. 19:30, 22 February 2019 (EST)
 * It was a simple joke at your own expense that was meant to be quickly reverted and didn't actually do any major damage to the article (such as blanking or inappropriateness). I'm not regarding this as vandalism, but that said, joke edits should stay off of the mainspace articles. 19:34, 22 February 2019 (EST)

It's alright now, I understand. My apologies for acting up. 20:14, 22 February 2019 (EST)

Re: Proposals
Ah, sorry. Scrooge200 (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Turtle thing
Well, given that 7feetunder had his proposal merging them with the Big Koopa Troopa, should i wait four weeks to make a counterproposal? Mister Wu brought the evidence at the worst time, and i'm not sure wether it should be me or someone else who makes the counterproposal. -- 02:18, 27 February 2019 (EST)

RE:Future Tense
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/f6/89/39f689d45cdc280cbef06cf154e47feb.png Proposals

18:00, 28 February 2019 (EST)

RE:DK64 renders
Sorry for the delay to answer.

The characters and objects take everything from my emulator. I press print screen, erase the background in Paint leaving the model, I copy and paste in Paint NET to leave the background transparent.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 12:19, 1 March 2019 (EST)

In fact these things are hard to find. For example, the they are disposable, if I pass this double bonus for complete in five chambers, there will not them anymore. Now I'm playing this game from start to finish to catch Blast-o-Matic's metal arrowhead pole.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Um
This edit summary doesn't exactly help matters. A simple reversion would've worked. 17:26, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * It's best to just not say anything that could antagonize them at all. 17:31, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Re:Zeldawiki
At least they eventually corrected "ReDead Knight" (I actually suggested moving it to "Gibdo" long ago)...albeit not entirely for the right reasons. It looks incredibly amateurish for them to refer to official names they'd prefer not to use as "not considered Canon" (a term that should really be reserved for story). Their references are also completely out of whack now that they are sometimes plain hard to read (just look at Ganon or Princess Zelda) and are for some reason entirely sucking up to the Dark Horse books by having them replace older valid sources (does that mean they consider the names and info they use to be unofficial before the release of those books or what?). It's really messy. I wouldn't even know where to begin to be honest. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Could be that the editors who went around replacing existing references with Dark Horse ones didn't get around to Zazak, or they knew deep down that merging would be a mistake. The logic isn't internally consistent with ReDead Knight getting a partial merge with Gibdo. They don't have a naming policy, do they? LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * That's something that should be cleaned up in addition to citation policy, since their idea of naming doesn't have a whole lot of structure to it. They also probably don't need to cite things that should be readily evident in the games unless it's obscure info. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:27, 1 March 2019 (EST)
 * Moldorm is another one that comes to mind since different localizations have been all over the place there. What's your idea? LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:46, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * I would help with creating a new zeldawiki. 18:31, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * I don't know the Gamepedia situation too well, but it has my interest. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2019 (EST)
 * I know it's Wikia, but what's your take on Zeldapedia? LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2019 (EST)

If it were up to me, I'd honestly just leave Helmaroc King split (ain't no way Helmasaur King is a "Great Bird"). I'd want Zora merged because the sea Zora and river Zora distinction was only made through one or two dialog boxes one time (in Oracle of Ages). In Hyrule, both types claim Zora River, so the "sea" name never really worked out as a whole. Their current "enemy" identifier doesn't factor the times some were friendly NPCs (like A Link Between Worlds). I'm pretty sure Ocarina of Time's Zoras were originally designed with the 2D incarnation in mind. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:15, 5 March 2019 (EST)
 * I actually forgot about that Brawl trophy. Considering other examples that come to mind over the years like Wizzrobe and Lizalfos, I guess it would be kind of fruitless to separate the Zelda species based on design characteristics. In the Link's Awakening Switch trailer, you can even see that the Moblin design has been updated to include a pig nose to move away from the original bulldog version. In the end, it may just be better to play it as loosely as Nintendo is choosing to do and not lose sleep over it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 23:59, 6 March 2019 (EST)
 * If we applied it to our policy standards, Fallmaster has in-game references from Ocarina of Time and The Minish Cap calling it "Wallmaster" and "Wall Master" respectively, and I'm fairly certain the original Wall Master (from walls) technically only appeared in one game, so "Wall Master (The Legend of Zelda)" could be a separate article. This is all going to be a hard sell to the current wiki... LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * I got the English version of A Link Between Worlds because I didn't want to wait another month for the Japanese version to get my Zelda fix (I did the same for the Wii version of Twilight Princess earlier), so I didn't get the Japanese guide. I know that Clyde Mandelin, a professional translator also known for the Mother 3 fan translation, has copies of both for his Legends of Localization series, so he might be the one to ask (by the way, he also did a brilliant playthrough for the English version of Super Mario RPG, using his own program to display equivalent text from the Japanese ROM in the corner in realtime and make translation comparisons on the fly). LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:59, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I mean, you can potentially start whatever wiki you want to. But if you want them to fix their sources, talking on that actual wiki is a good first step. They can also explain how they work. I've worked on Zelda Wiki a few times, taking part in their weekly "Wiki Weekly" event, and (while they certainly use an overabundance of references for my tastes) I haven't noticed too many naming problems, if any. 18:09, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I should mention that I actually haven't reregistered my account with Zelda Wiki since the Gamepedia merger (I can but, as Alex95 mentioned, it seems it's bad timing since they have their own issues right now what with Wikia/Fandom shenanigans)... Anyway, if you do decide to go through with this idea, I'll have your back on it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * Our goals align. Their ground-up approach should also theoretically reduce clutter in the long run. This could work. The main issue is that most people are going to search for "Legend of Zelda Wiki" or something along those lines, so if we set our attention on them, the "Zelda Archive" name would need promoting to get out there. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2019 (EST)
 * They're already making a new Zelda Wiki: https://zeldaarchive.com/ Results May Vary (talk) 11:38, 9 March 2019 (EST)
 * Does it look potentially interesting? Results May Vary (talk) 21:48, 9 March 2019 (EST)
 * Which elements? I also wrote an article there: https://zeldaarchive.com/index.php/Link:_The_Faces_of_Evil Results May Vary (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2019 (EST)
 * I think he told me that one is based on Zelda canon and the other page is based on game details itself. You can message Hylian pi with questions there--i'm sure he's open to suggestions & improvements Results May Vary (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2019 (EST)
 * Looks like Zelda Archive is closed from editors--it was meant to be a personal project for Hylian pi himself all along. Results May Vary (talk) 23:47, March 12, 2019 (EDT)
 * Just use the word disappointing. That's what it is really. Results May Vary (talk) 00:01, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
 * The owner could have just made it clear that it's strictly NES only for the time being instead of shutting off outside help, so that's really too bad...although I'm not sure if ShoutWiki would count as a NIWA website if the idea is to eventually make it a replacement for the current one. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:40, March 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * LinkTheLefy, I dont plan to use it on shoutwiki forever. I've just never set up a MediaWiki website before, and so this is a temporary solution for the time being. It's more in the context of preserving the existing info from Zelda Archive, seeing as he deleted it. I wouldn't want to manage a Zelda wiki either, since I'm far from an expert. Results May Vary (talk) 19:48, March 16, 2019 (EDT)
 * Doc, speaking of Triforce Wiki, I hope it will get independently hosted somehow. ShoutWiki was just a temporary fix to host the articles and content removed from Zelda Archive. Hylian pi was nice enough to allow me to relocate it all Results May Vary (talk) 14:54, March 21, 2019 (EDT)

The hand thing is weird. "Hand" and "???" are very likely meant to be the same type of character, while Phoeni has the same role, but is a different character (she's a girl, while the other two are boys). A discussion on Hand or ??? could be brought up to them (idk how Zelda Wiki handles proposals or whatever they do). 23:05, March 24, 2019 (EDT)
 * Well, dang, didn't actually see the MM source. Yeah, that's dumb. Phoeni I think is supposed to be a completely different character, but they used the Prima name to distinguish her from ???. I wouldn't say Zelda Wiki is beyond repair, but some of their policies and content could use a push a right direction.
 * Mario Wiki's not exactly perfect either :P 00:43, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure why it was split since other incarnations of the same character are generally not split (e.g. Malon isn't four articles), so this is another example of an internal inconsistency. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:55, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

Style Sisters
Because it's a red link, I'm assuming it's the Jellyfish Sisters? Or is it something different only in Odyssey? 15:07, 3 March 2019 (EST)
 * Ah, okay. Thanks for the info. 15:17, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Re:SML2 items and obstacles
That is weird, because most of those things have a gameplay purpose. I apologies if this is a poor question as I am not experienced with game files, however would the background/platform tiles have names or related code? 18:19, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Eye Beamer
At the very beginning of the mission, there are four Eye Beamers shooting a laser towards the middle, the implication being that they're amplifying and generating the planet's other lasers. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you happen to know...
If "favorite item" in Mario Party 2/3 means anything? Does it affect CPU behavior? I have a feeling it means AI controlling the character is more likely to buy their "favorite item" but I'm not 100% sure. I've observed such behavior but it could be coincidence. Was wondering if you had any data on it? Blue Ninjakoopa (talk) 12:18, 4 March 2019 (EST)

Starting Wiki?
Hi, thanks for mentioning me to LinkTheLefty. Just wondering but didnt you plan on starting a new Crash Bandicoot wiki at some point? I could be wrong but I think i remember you saying that. Results May Vary (talk) 00:54, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * I dont think there needs to be a fourth Zelda Wiki? There's zeldapedia, zelda wiki, and zelda dungeon wiki Results May Vary (talk) 01:00, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * Starting a new Zelda Wiki would be a struggle. How are you (and Doomhiker) going to pull it off? Zelda isn't a small franchise either--it's a big one. NIWA wont affiliate with two Zelda Wikis either. Results May Vary (talk) 01:08, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * I thought Zelda Wiki is trying to get out of Gamepedia? Besides, they're also a co-founder of NIWA (ironically) Results May Vary (talk) 14:34, 7 March 2019 (EST)
 * Yeah they are. Anyway, I'm stumped on this one. This is a decision i'm not involving myself in. If you think a fourth one will help amend the problems with the wikis, then i say go for it. Just remember all the barriers and potential problems this could have. I might pop in and make some edits, but please do keep in mind the issues this could cause. In addition, making a "competitor" out of spite wont resolve anything--if you make another zelda wiki, i suggest a unique purpose behind it--and originality added in. That's what made WiKirby what it is today--it refused to copy from the Wikia, and built itself up from scratch. Results May Vary (talk) 18:16, 7 March 2019 (EST)

RE:Poochy riding Yoshi
My mistake, although I still stand by removing it as it is not vandalism, it is not necessarily deleted and it is not poorly written, I just accidentally swapped the characters' names. 18:38, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * The content is not really removed, my mistake has just been fixed. Anyways, if you want to re-add it, you can although I do not personally feel that it should stay. 17:39, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Triforce Wiki
This will be very minor alternative but http://zelda.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page Results May Vary (talk) 21:08, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * It's a wiki farm--basically Wikia but better. unfortunately i cant find an independent host, so this will have to do for now. Hylian pi is giving me the deleted content to move over. Results May Vary (talk) 21:45, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
 * He might be able to hosting it when it "gets a decent amount of content". Hylian's not a bad person actually. The set up I'm doing on the Zelda Archive split (named Triforce Wiki, name suggested by him) is deliberately being laid out in a way so it's familiar/parallel to Super Mario Wiki's style. Hopefully it can get moved off to an independent host some day--but that will take work and effort, and NIWA will not host a duplicate Zelda Wiki, so it's all on us as editors pretty much. Results May Vary (talk) 00:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

Rainbow Cruiser
Can you explain why this tag remains on the article page?

I see, asking you this because there's no discussion on the talkpage.

Re:Piscatory Pete
The only thing is that every guide gives Piscatory Pete a separate entry from Flopsy Fish, so you'd think it'd just be mentioned in one "Cheep Cheep" description like Seedy Sally and Short Fuse for Ukiki if they wanted to consider it the same thing. It may be best as a proposal considering the Flopsy Fish merge was also a proposal, though between this and Needlenose (which is called "Pokey" in not one, but both more recent guides), I feel like the source priority exception proposal is starting to show its flaws. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:47, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario Galaxy / Super Mario Galaxy 2 fiery counterparts
What about the "X" bosses from the Mario & Luigi series? Those are split despite being even less differentiable than the stronger King Kaliente. 09:05, March 20, 2019 (EDT)

Nipper Dandelions
Should I move the page now, as five out of seven people agree with moving the page? 14:58, March 23, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Shroob Castle
It was brought up on the page's talk page, and both the in-game map and the guide call it "Peach's Castle (Past)". 01:13, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Bero
Ah, I get it. Scrooge200 (talk) 22:50, March 24, 2019 (EDT)

Stompin' Chomps
Can we say for sure that "Stompin' Chomp" is actually the enemy's English name? I know it's from the name of Rompin', Stompin' Chomps, but I'm reading it more as "Rompin', Stompin' Chomps" rather than "Rompin', Stompin' Chomps". Niiue (talk) 05:04, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
 * Ah, alright. I somehow misread who removed the tag, sorry about that. Niiue (talk) 06:53, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Wallmaster Vs. Bob-omb
The thing about Bob-omb is that we do know of a few occasions where they are considered to have debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2, so it goes beyond name changes and into character descriptions. That's different territory. For example, the earlier Super Smash Bros. games, while not perfect, did try to list the specific debut before the English writers later went with the Japanese idea of general appearances. Another thing is that the designs in the Zelda series can vary wildly, whereas the original Bob-Omb enemy (at least as seen in the in-game sprites and Doki Doki Panic / Super Mario Bros. 2 artwork as opposed to Super Mario USA / Super Mario Advance artwork) is unmistakably classic Bob-omb, just with hands and recolored feet. I feel like the Super Mario Sunshine enemy splits (as derivative species including Bob-omb) are likelier to pass, although I'm wary of that since it seems more like a retroactive explanation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:55, March 25, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Mockup sprites
That doesn't matter, we don't use unofficially recreated sprites/images regardless of how pixel- and colour-perfect it is, especially not on "more than likely" and well before the game's and official sprites' release. 23:17, March 26, 2019 (EDT)


 * It did, I said "especially" not "specifically". If it's not the sprite from the game, we're not going to pass it off as that. 03:01, March 27, 2019 (EDT)


 * I meant ripped from the game. I know the sprite came from the game. 03:23, March 27, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Quick solution
My impression is that the guidance translator had access to an internal localization database (accounting for the Spiny/Prickly fix), but it didn't contain any entries for the Yoshi's Island DS Piranha Plants (hence why they aren't in the Nintendo Power guide), so the wiki was looked up as a judgment call. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:55, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * I think Doomhiker was going to make a proposal on it, but the discussion slowed down after Glowsquid's post, and then it more or less halted after the Polterpiranha thing came to light. My stance is probably still outnumbered, though. After some thought, here's my idea: I'd be all right with renaming the article to Nipper Dandelion if it's referred to by its original Watage Pakkun name when referring to Yoshi's Island DS. We don't usually do that for foreign names, but it's not explicitly disallowed and given the circumstances, it's reasonable to do it here. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:15, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * At the end of the day, for twelve years straight, it was unofficial. Applying this name to those articles would be citing ourselves. Also, I can think of at least one other instance where we use Japanese names for certain appearances - namely the Mad Scienstein from Wario Land 3, who goes by "Arewo Shitain-hakase" in Wario Land 4 articles. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:22, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * But we'd be citing Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, a game that retroactively "officialized" it over a decade after Yoshi's Island DS. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:44, March 27, 2019 (EDT)
 * Except this approach would not be wholly "prohibiting" it - it would treat it as the conjectural name it was then and the official name it is now going forward. It is pretty much objectively what the talk page's "accurate documentation" would look like if it is true to the claim. LinkTheLefty (talk) 21:55, March 27, 2019 (EDT)

RE: SRMIOS
Basically a yellow recolour of this exact image. In the game, the cartridges inside the pot differ and move around. 21:25, March 27, 2019 (EDT)

RE: SMM NSMBU
Is there any way the maps can be applied to the sprites? Because I don't know how to. --MatiasNTRM (talk) 17:30, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

RE:Nipper Plant
I know, however it still is more recent artwork due to it being modified, and it is less stylized. 17:33, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Mario/Luigi
Alex95 brought that up to me in admin discussion, what I was asking was how it even happened. 00:44, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

RE: Hemispheres and equinoxes
has one for Brazil if that's what you're asking, though I don't think a date has been released for M&S2020 for that region. 04:03, March 31, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Spike Top and Red Spike Top
I dunno if I'm wording this right, but TTYD treats Red Spike Tops as derivatives more than minor variants, imo. It'd be one thing if it was like Color Splash and Blue Spike Tops and Red Spike Tops were treated roughly the same by the game, but it's a lot more like the KP Koopa situation if anything.

On another note, if you're referencing the SMRPG Snifits, those should be split seeing as how their English name is the only reason they're merged in the first place. Who has lost his tail? 18:48, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * Do you think KP Koopas should be merged with regular Koopas since they have the same stats and look like regular yellow Koopas from SMW? Who has lost his tail? 18:54, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * The name's really not the important part, imo. Who has lost his tail? 23:32, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * The color variations in the newer games aren't treated the same as Red Spike Top, though, which is part of why I don't think they should be treated the same by the wiki. And the fact that TTYD made a conscious decision to make regular Spike Tops blue and treat the "normal" design as a new variant is another reason I think they should stay split. Who has lost his tail? 23:49, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * That's kind of speculative, imo. PM64 had the same gameplay, but still made Spike Tops red. Who has lost his tail? 23:53, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 * I still doubt that's why Spike Tops are blue in TTYD. Who has lost his tail? 00:11, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * For one, regular Spike Tops continued to be blue until Sticker Star, which redesigned most of the enemies to look like their platformer designs anyway. Also note that TTYD has unused graphics and data for "Aka Metto", "Aka Pata Metto", and "Aka Pata Togemetto", showing that Red Spike Tops are the only remaining part of an otherwise unused Red Buzzy Beetle enemy type. Who has lost his tail? 02:37, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * Either way, they're clearly intended to be distinct from regular Spike Tops. I think they should stay split for the same reason I think KP Koopas shouldn't be merged with regular Koopas. Who has lost his tail? 02:51, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
 * And KP Koopas are just Koopa Troopas that dyed their shells, doesn't mean they should be merged. (And I'd argue there is such a thing as a "regular Koopa", considering how KP Pete's overworld Tattle says he's "just a basic Koopa".) Who has lost his tail? 03:55, April 1, 2019 (EDT)

Bowser/Hidden Locations
Okay there should be easier ways of finding Bowser and Hidden Locations for 64 so instead of naviboxes by alphabetical order how can one make a new Category?--70.161.202.199 13:53, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

Well there should be an easier way in what order of Secret Areas and Levels one needs to make when going through a walkthrough.--70.161.202.199 12:03, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Re:Mini-Ninja
I don't see why it wouldn't be considered a legacy name. Mario Mania had a few lasting effects for a few other enemies, like the first usage of Lava Bubble, and Koopa Paratroopa arguably had it worse since it was referred to by various different names for the next four or so games in a row. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:41, April 5, 2019 (EDT)