Talk:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

Female and male villagers are now separate characters on the character select screen
https://twitter.com/tomphillipsEG/status/819871856715034624 Thought this fact can be mentioned in the character section.

Why are Miis listed as exclusive to MK8
THEY HAD A SLOT FOR THEM IN THE DEMO


 * The slot is a question mark so we have no official proof Miis are playable. It is a possibility that the Miis will be in but we can't confirm it until we have some sort of video or screenshot from the game. 20:36, 13 January 2017 (EST)
 * It's also likely the Mii slot was carried over from the original build of the game and was not taken out at the time of the video. We have no confirmation Miis are going to part of the Switch atm. 20:37, 13 January 2017 (EST)

Why I got rid of the trivia in the article
"*Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will become the first game in the Mario Kart series to get released before a Mario platform game gets released on the same system. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be launched in April 2017 and the Mario platformer, Super Mario Odyssey, will be launched in the holiday season of 2017."

This trivia takes advantage of a very specific scenario to make an "interesting" point, which is very easy to observe for any game if you think things through hard enough and had a convenient game series to compare to. I can say that Mario Party 4 and Mario Party 8 are the only Mario Party games to be released before a Mario Kart on a system and it would be just as valid. Would it as equally applicable to add to a trivia section? No.

Besides, this game is a port of an older released game. It's not a new entry on the Mario Kart series, unlike all other Mario Kart titles, and we don't know if we'll get a proper sequel in the system, which raises questions if it will count more or not.

"*This is the first time a Mario Kart game was ported to a system without emulation."

This trivia is very silly. It states pretty much the obvious, something that can be easily included in the opening paragraph, and it had to include "without emulation" to make a point otherwise, you cannot count the Virtual Console games. Trivia works best when it has to make the fewest exceptions as possible cover up any flaws noted in it, and this one is perhaps the game that has the greatest exception of games to make a point. 14:40, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * The first is referring purely to Mario Kart itself, as Mario Kart had yet to be release before a mainstream Mario game until now. I agree the second is pretty silly, though. 14:43, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * I've edited probably before you posted, but it's a port of a Mario Kart title, so that raises questions if it "counts" or not. I'd rather avoid that territory and just get rid of questionable trivia altogether. 14:44, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * Well... Is MK8D the first enhanced port of any Mario game?-- 14:49, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * There's Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Advance, and so on. 14:50, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * No it's not. There's the Super Mario Advance series, Super Mario 64 DS, Donkey Kong Land, and others that slipped my mind. 14:51, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * So then it's just he first enhanced port in the Mario Kart series, and the first enhanced port in awhile.-- 14:53, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * Something that can easily fit in the opening paragraph. Except the first enhanced port in a while, I wouldn't try fitting that in. 14:56, 14 January 2017 (EST)

Potential new mode


I just wanted to point out this picture above. It shows them in a battle stage but we see Toadette holding a Boomerang and none of them have Balloons. It can't be Bob-omb Blast since you only get Bob-ombs and King Boo does have the leader crown on. In the treehouse stream at around the 2 hour and 45 minute mark, they did say the full release will contain some more surprises. Could this be showing a new mode? 15:25, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * This is the screenshot that perplexes me. Nothing's confirmed of a new mode yet but this doesn't fit any of the descriptions. I say we don't hold any conclusions until we get more information. 15:26, 14 January 2017 (EST)
 * Just a little something, not sure how significant it is, but the Crown is topped by a Shine Sprite. MarioComix (talk) 03:44, 15 January 2017 (EST)


 * Given that a new battle mode involving Shines was recently confirmed, I think this could be either Shine Thief or Shine Runners...
 * I say it's Shine Thief due to the crown. --[[File:Spiny_Shell.png]] Superstarxalien169 [[File:Spiny_Shell_Reverse.png]] 15:42, 21 January 2017 (EST)

Miis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TClYfl5uI

So does this basically confirm that Miis are going to be on the Switch in some way?


 * I would assume so, yes. MarioComix (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2017 (EST)


 * You're right! I just saw it yesterday. Have a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVg3oYOdKoE


 * I didn't see any Miis actually racing in those videos (I did skin then though), so until we actually see one, it's unconfirmed. -- 04:31, 17 January 2017 (EST)

So I see that my edit that changed turquoise to blue was reverted
I'm guessing we'll go with what the colors actually are instead of what the game officially calls them, because in Splatoon the turquoiseish color seen in the picture is actually just called blue and so is the regular blue. Turquoise in Splatoon is way more green. 15:16, 15 January 2017 (EDT)

Boo item
Boo is not a new Item, originally was in Mario Kart 64 and DS.


 * It didn't appear in the original MK8, so it's new to the port. 20:26, 15 January 2017 (EST)

Feather
What is the proof that the Feather is a Battle Mode exclusive item? Marioguy (talk) 23:44, 15 January 2017 (EST)
 * Check the website here. Haven't seen it in normal races from what I can view, so... – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:54, 15 January 2017 (EST)

I just feel that this should be taken out of the article until futher notice. Marioguy (talk) 09:35, 16 January 2017 (EST)
 * I think Boo is battle-exclusive, not Feather. YoshiFlutterJump (talk)
 * The Feather, from what I've seen, is ALSO battle-exclusive. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 11:02, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Luigi Is Holding A Boo In One Of The Screenshots, So The Boo Being Battle Mode Exclusive Is Fairly Unlikely. There's Also The Fact That It Wasn't Battle Mode Exclusive In Previous Games, So Don't Expect That To Happen. 11:12, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
 * The trailer and the screenshot confirmed that Boo is not battle-exclusive, while the Feather is.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:56, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

5 Battle Modes and Inkling Mii Costume
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5pbnqo/mario_kart_8_deluxe_artwork_release_5_battle/

Basically confirms Miis playable and the 5 Battle Modes: Shine Thief, Coin Runners, Balloon Battle, Bob-Omb Blast and a new Piranha Plant mode

(Miis are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5pbnqo/mario_kart_8_deluxe_artwork_release_5_battle/dcpwebu/)


 * I've already added Battle mode information to the article before you posted that. I will change the nav template accordingly. 14:49, 21 January 2017 (EST)
 * Should we even add the Amiibo in the article or wait until it comes out? --RodneytheMiiGuy 05:01, 22 January 2017 (EST)
 * Yes we definitely should. 20:36, 24 January 2017 (EST)

What is the "?" ?
Hello. What is the "?" in the character screen ? It is the "Mii" ? And he have a new cup in the game ? --Captain Yoshi 06:21, 1 February 2017 (EST)
 * A new Mii costume (the Inkling one) has been confirmed, so the missing character is indeed Mii. It has been confirmed that the game features 48 racetracks, and the cups have been shown to be the same ones in press release material, you can see them in the Gallery.--Mister Wu (talk) 06:27, 1 February 2017 (EST)

Both Villager Types Active
Havn't seen this anywhere else, but i thought i'd bring this up. Both Villager variants are capable of being active at the same time in the original Mario Kart 8. I've seen it a few times in races. Not sure if anyone else has, but just noting it here that has happened. If no one else has experienced or seen it i wont push for the change on the article. - Cubeguy(talk)
 * It must be cleared what "active" means. If a player chooses one of the Villagers, the software can choose and control the other Villager, of course. What is indicated here as difference is both of the Villagers being chosen and controlled by the software in the same race, since typically the software doesn't select two characters from the same slot.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2017 (EST)
 * It would be the latter. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * I personally didn't add that part, only edited it from the original, so I'm not sure about it; since it's not important I can just remove it, although it would be nice if you could provide some form of proof before I do so, as editing only based on past memories without videos or images confirming the impression can lead to spreading of false information and is in general something to avoid as much as possible. If you can't provide it I might run some races from the title screen to see if indeed sometimes both Villagers are chosen at the same time.--Mister Wu (talk) 11:05, 28 February 2017 (EST)

Gold Mario confirmed as Palette swap of Metal Mario
Should it be mentioned in the New characters section? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE2VniKmEVE&t=1m01s
 * This really doesn't confirm it, HOWEVER it does say over 40 characters and theres currently 42 in this version, so unless nintendo decided to sneak some more full metal characters in it (wouldn't be surprising at this point), probably is just a variant choice. We won't know if it's a separate character or not until later at this point. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * There's an English version of the trailer, however it doesn't confirm it or not, but the uploader say's Gold Metal Mario. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * The 5th image on this site pretty much confirms that Gold Mario is 100% a Metal Mario skin; Gold Mario is driving in Metal Mario's standard car. The only thing that changes is the emblem is gold rather than silver - https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/03/12/mario-kart-8-deluxe-fps-resolution-nintendo-switch/ ]]Bowserboy3(talk)

All 8 Battle Mode Arenas Confirmed
Here are the Arenas that Nintendo has confirmed for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe:

Battle Stadium Sweet Sweet Kingdom Dragon Palace Lunar Colony 3DS Maka Wuhu GCN Luigi's Mansion SNES Battle Course 1 Urchin Underpass

The article should be edited to add these in. VincentWeir (talk) 08:16, 10 March 2017 (EST)
 * 3DS Maka Wuhu is actually 3DS Wuhu Town. I watched the trailer recently and found that to be the case. – 64.134.237.181 10:00, 10 March 2017 (EST)
 * Checked the article; never mind. – 64.134.237.181 10:01, 10 March 2017 (EST)

Battle Arena Icons
If anyone wants to crop and upload the battle stage icons you can use the PAX East livestream  16:39, 11 March 2017 (EST)

2 new screenshots found on European site
http://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/08_content_images/games_6/nintendo_switch_7/nswitch_mariokart8deluxe/CI_NSwitch_MarioKart8Deluxe_ShineThief_mediaplayer_large.jpg

http://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/images/08_content_images/games_6/nintendo_switch_7/nswitch_mariokart8deluxe/CI_NSwitch_MarioKart8Deluxe_Replay_mediaplayer_large.jpg

Also, lol Blue Piranha Plant. It's seen only if the chasers are on the Blue Team. Gold Luigi (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2017 (EST)


 * I've just uploaded those two images. MarioComix (talk) 18:21, 11 March 2017 (EST)


 * Glad to know that they are adding Frost Piranhas into the game. Hooman2004 (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2017 (EDT)


 * Well, it's not a Frost Piranha because they have green leaves and Frost Piranhas have blue leaves. B ron 3000 (talk) 00:04, 30 May 2017 (EDT)


 * What about the Super Paper Mario appearance of the enemy?--Hooman2004 (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2017 (EDT)


 * Honestly it's just a design choice to fit in with the Red/Blue Team colour motif in Battle Mode. Similarly, the crown is actually blue if you're on the Blue Team. MarioComix (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

Stat changes

 * Courtesy of Mister Wu, the PAX stream does confirm that the characters and vehicle parts that were in Mario Kart 8 will receive stat changes. However, we only have information on Mario's new stats whenever he uses the default vehicle parts, so it remains to be seen how everyone else will be handled. 12:28, 12 March 2017 (EDT)

http://imgur.com/mdSp5Jb.png

Tons of new screenshots
Tons of new screenshots from this article if anyone wants to upload them.
 * Thanks, some of them were not in the original press release material, so they will be useful!--Mister Wu (talk) 10:13, 13 March 2017 (EDT)

Coin Runners - Closer to MKW's than MK7's
Perhaps it's worth mentioning in the article that Coin Runners will be much more similar to MKWii than MK7's; in MK7, you can only get a maximum of 10 coins, but in MKWii, you can continue past 10. In one of the new videos showcasing Coin Runners, we see King Boo collect 11 coins at one point (at 2:28 if the link doesn't work properly) - https://youtu.be/0CTEe4-8XzE?t=148

Bowserboy3 (talk) 11:33, 13th March 2017 (BST)

All Characters and Tracks unlocked at the start
This is brought up in the first few minutes of this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TVT5RSsVXU, there are a few more site's confirming, besides Gold Mario all characters are unlocked. - Cubeguy(talk)

Battle Mode Invincibility Frames
I'm suprised this hasn't been noticed/mentioned in the main article yet, but invincibility frames are back; like in previous Mario Kart games, players now get a short amount of invincibility frames upon being hit in battle mode (around 1.5 seconds to be exact). This was notably absent in the original MK8..

Here's an example in Deluxe's Balloon Battle - https://youtu.be/unEFzgLeuSI?t=39

And it's not just Balloon Battle either; here's Coin Runners - https://youtu.be/0CTEe4-8XzE?t=42

Again, this was absent in the original MK8 (which just adds to more of the reasons why battle mode sucks in the regular version). Example - https://youtu.be/t8YG7O8ts2c?t=13

Bowserboy3 (talk) 22:26, 20th March 2017 (BST)


 * So, in MK8, Toad would've been able to be hit by the Boomerang a 2nd time if he was in its path? MarioComix (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2017 (EDT)


 * Pretty much, yeah. Notice how he doesn't flash/blink upon being hit? That's no invincibility frames. It's quite possible to eliminate a player instantly in around 5 seconds in MK8 if somebody gets triple green shells (fire one, wait for the stun animation to wear off, snipe them with the second, wait again, snipe with the third). It's really dumb. Thank goodness the invincibility frames are back. Might be worth mentioning in the article. Bowserboy3 (talk) 10:30, 21th March 2017 (BST)


 * I've basically added that information to the page now. MarioComix (talk) 03:33, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

Official JP Website
Official JP Website is available.
 * We have started uploading material from that site, but effectively didn't add the link in the main page. Thanks for pointing this out.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Wow, you're quick! I'm curious how you obtained the sprite sheet from the website. 17:41, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
 * My broser allows to see all the images a page is using and also allows to identify where an image used come from. Looking at the page source also helps. I'm pretty sure that various browsers have said features.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

Stat Changes
I've Watched A Few Videos Of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Gameplay, And I Believe It's Possible To Get Some Of The Stat Changes That Way.

Mario's New Base Stats Are:

Speed: MK8DX: 3.75 MK8: 3.75 Acceleration: MK8DX: 3.5 MK8: 2.5 Weight: MK8DX: 3.5 MK8: 3.75 Handling: MK8DX: 3.5 MK8: 3.25 Grip: MK8DX: 3.5 MK8: 3.75

While Mario's Speed Doesn't Change, His Acceleration Gets A Large Boost. 13:24, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
 * The one you are reporting there are not the base stats of the character. The stats you see in the vehicle customization menu are the sum of the stats of the character, kart, tires and glider. You can see what the actual stats are in Mario Kart 8 here.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Maybe I should try wording that differently. On the Mario Kart 8 page, the character stats are shown using the standard kart, tyres & glider. If the same thing were to be done on the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe page, then the stats above would be Mario's (and possibly Luigi's, Ludwig's and Iggy's if they still had the same stats as Mario) stats. 03:01, 26 March 2017 (EDT)
 * The stats have indeed been changed so that the default combination is more "standard" - i.e. with stats having the value in the middle - and new stats tables will have to be done as a consequence; at this point however we don't know if Mario, the Standard Kart, the Standard Tires or the Super Glider have been changed. Of course, we need the hidden stats as well before stating that everything has been made more "standard" for the default combination.--Mister Wu (talk) 06:50, 26 March 2017 (EDT)

Battle Course maps
We need to add the new maps for the battle courses in this game. Mario 3 Fan (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
 * Course maps usually come from sprite rips such as this after the game is released. (Unless there are official maps available from Nintendo.) I think we will only be able to get the maps once the game is released and someone finds a way to rip sprites on the Nintendo Switch. -- 17:43, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

Good pre-release reference video
Just putting this video I saw from GameXplain earlier, as it has a lot of good things in it that can help the article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wlwytZVknM

Shows but not limited to the following:

- Confirms no stamps on the main menu.

- Shows there is a "Random Battle" option.

- Shows new option to change character and kart combination without leaving an online lobby; pressing "Y" during the course selection portion of an online lobby allows you to change the combination.

- Records are more detailed; more records and pages.

- Mentions that during Renegade Runners, Pirahna Plant temporarily lose their bite attack upon being hit.

- Also mentions that the holder of the Shine in Shine Thief drives a little slower than the other drivers (likely to prevent people from running away with the Shine indefinitely).

Bowserboy3 (talk) 12:15, 18th April 2017 (BST)

Question about character and vehicle part stats + FIRE HOPPING GONE
Just a quick question; when the game releases, will we be putting the character and vehicle part stats in the article like how they are on the MK8 one, seeing as they are different?

Anyway, I thought it might be worth mentioning in the article that Fire Hopping is indeed gone - hooray!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkHw2WLVj10

I used it because you stood the best chance at winning with it, but that doesn't mean I liked it, especially when I played online with friends who couldn't do it and ended up left in the dust. Good balancing move IMO.

Bowserboy3 (talk) 08:44, 19th April 2017 (BST)
 * The new tables will indeed be made, probably when someone will buy the new guide with all the game stats and will fill the information (currently it isn't possible to directly see the data used by the game like in the Wii U version, so time will be needed for that).--Mister Wu (talk) 08:28, 19 April 2017 (EDT)

Official Character and Vehicle Part Stats starting to surface - may be useful to creating early/preliminary stats tables
I was doing some research, because I am thoroughly interested in finding out how the character and vehicle parts stats have been changed.

During my digging, I came across this very useful and in depth thread: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/200276-mario-kart-8-deluxe/75227111

It initially started as a thread to find all images and video footage of new stats, but eventually evolved into a thread which ended up figuring out many of the new stat combinations.

There is lots more in that thread, such as the figuring out of individual parts, but just to provide some basic info, images have been found of all the different varying "weight" classes in the game, and trust me, there's a lot.

From what we can gather, there are still the three weight classes (Light, Medium and Heavy), but there is looking to be more variation in them this time; it looks like there are 4 different stat variations per weight class.

Here are some example images for you all to see (there could be used to start a preliminary stat table for example):

NOTE - REMOVE THE "M" FROM THE START OF THE LINK WHEN COPYING INTO YOUR BROWSER. I simply added the "M" at the start to prevent mass buildup of images on this post.

Lightweight

Lemmy (1st Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/bot0Jav.jpg

Dry Bones (2nd Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/rusV0Rd.jpg

Bowser Jr (3rd Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/gDoh8Ou.jpg

Toad (4th Variation): Mhttp://imgur.com/5ReGViP

Midweight

Inkling Girl (1st Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/gs7W9kJ.jpg

Daisy (2nd Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/AtHA8g7.jpg

Inkling Boy (3rd Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/qKfc6zW.jpg

Mario (4th Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/sIM5lJc.png

Heavyweight

King Boo (1st Variation): Mhttp://i.imgur.com/YGTNCTf.jpg

Metal Mario (2nd Variation): Mhttp://imgur.com/wIlVdKP

Donkey Kong (3rd Variation): Mhttp://imgur.com/DstU4IY

Bowser (4th Variation): Mhttp://imgur.com/gl1d2y5

These are the base stats for these characters; they all use the standard vehicle parts that are confirmed to be basic with no boosts/losses.

What's more, character specific bonuses, a-la Mario Kart Wii, are definitely out of the picture, because we already know of three characters with identical stats within one group, being Peach, Daisy and Yoshi, so it's definitely that there is just more variation within weight classes now. Here are the images to prove:

NOTE: SAME AS BEFORE, REMOVE THE "M" FROM START OF THE LINK BEFORE COPYING INTO YOUR BROWSER.

Peach: Mhttp://i.imgur.com/TGPnprp.jpg

Daisy: Mhttp://i.imgur.com/UBID0WA.jpg

Yoshi: Mhttp://i.imgur.com/AtHA8g7.jpg

For all we know, the characters we don't know about could vary even more. Characters like Koopa Troopa, Luigi and Rosalina could fit into different stat variations within their light, medium and heavy groups respectively. However, this seems very unlikely now given all the information dug up.

What is certain though, is we already know a fair few characters' base stats, so a table could well start to be made. We also now know some of the vehicle part stats too.

Thought this would be useful; would likely save time before the game is released.

Final note; one user created a spreadsheet of all confirmed stats so far. Here is it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g7A-38tn9UAIbB2B3sZI-MpILsS3ZS870UTVMRRxh4Q/edit#gid=0

Bowserboy3 (talk) 12:15, 20th April 2017 (BST)
 * Thanks for the effort, just so you know, I'm already tracking all the stats of the characters with that spreadsheet made by a user I know well. There is no need for preliminary tables, as the parts tables are literally MK8 ones with different values and the added DLC parts, while the characters' groups need to be known before making the characters stats table. Don't worry, in due time (i.e.: when we know the stats!) the tables will be made (we might make the parts table now, but that would require an inane work of filling a lot of slots with question marks or making partial tables that then require to readd the content that is already in the MK8 tables, if you want to be on the edge, feel free to do so anyway).--Mister Wu (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Good stuff; I was just putting the stuff here just in case. I'm really excited to try out some different combinations; from the changes, it looks like things will be a lot more balanced this time too.Bowserboy3 (talk) 21:57, 20th April 2017 (BST)
 * I now added the preliminary stats tables, sicne the main stats are known for everything except the Gold Glider.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:09, 25 April 2017 (EDT)


 * I spotted something that seems quite disturbing. Not everyone is using the exact same stat total whenever they're using the default vehicle parts, which is a sign of improper balancing. When Mario uses the default parts, his stat total adds up to 17.75, so I would think that all the other characters would have that very same stat total as well. After all, in Mario Kart 8, excluding the hidden stats, everyone had the exact same stat total, which was 17. 12:37, 21 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Oh hey, fancy spotting you on here; I recognise you from Smashboards! And that is more interesting than disturbing to me, but I know what you mean. Though if I recall correctly, wasn't this a similar case in MK7, or did all characters have the same "base stat total" there? I'm noticing a lot of the stats for parts this time around are edging towards the kind of thing they were in MK7 too, which intrigues me.

Bowserboy3 (talk) 17:49, 21st April 2017 (BST)


 * Are Mario and Ludwig's speed correct? They seem to have 0.25 fewer stats total than Luigi and Iggy's total. MarioComix (talk) 00:21, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

About unlocking Gold Mario
Hello, do you know if DLC cups are also to be required for unlock Gold Mario ?

90.53.183.41 15:54, 21 April 2017 (EDT)


 * I would assume so, considering the DLC cups are part of the core game this time. 15:57, 21 April 2017 (EDT)


 * Okay, remains to know if there's others unlockable vehicle parts other than the DLC ones, I hope the golden ones are not to be unlocked again (the Tires and Body was hard for me). xD
 * 90.53.183.41 16:22, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Make the Splat Buggy and Inkstriker Pages
Could someone plz do this
 * They will be made once more information is available, i.e. the game is released and we have access to it. Hold tight, it will happen! 11:10, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

Acceleration Tiers ARE GONE!
I was unsure whether it should be mentioned in the article; I was thinking of adding it anyway (seeing as Fire Hopping is mentioned), and it's easy enough to remove if it needs removing, but thought I would mention it here regardless.

Here's the proof: https://youtu.be/8BvpoTUrKTU?t=134.

Off topic, this is another change I am personally happy for the removal of. Fire Hopping was a tough one; it added something to the game on one hand but took away something (the sense of competition) for those who couldn't do it. Acceleration tiers just felt like a needless restriction.

Besides, IIRC, acceleration tiers were never present in 200cc mode in vanilla MK8, right?

Anyway, acceleration tiers are gone now.

Bowserboy3 (talk) 08:58, 26th April 2017 (BST)


 * Nice find there. The only downside is knowing that the acceleration boosting gliders now weaken the ground speed stat; that basically means that even if your combo does accelerate faster, the ground speed difference will cause the slower acceleration combo to move faster than the higher acceleration combo when both combos hit top speed. 08:26, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry, but you were looking at the wrong side. Both in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 acceleration was never tiered in the way you think. Basically, there was always an increase in the stats, but the first stat, which is an acceleration limiter that always increased when increasing thte acceleration stat, was so high that it almost never limited acceleration with 0 coins on 150cc. If you just increased maximum speed, you could see that even in 150cc acceleration was working correctly, increasing when increasing the acceleration stat. 200cc increased maximum speed by 50% and thus absolute acceleration as well, revealing that the strong tiering was never there to begin with. Until we know the stats, I cannot keep this as it can lead to misleading conclusions.--Mister Wu (talk) 10:21, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I think I understand you. However, explain this - if you lined up characters with 0 coins on 150cc on MK8 and increased the acceleration by 0.25 each time from say, 3 up until 3.75, they would all accelerate at the same pace. In the same circumstances in MK8Deluxe (as shown in that video I showcased; in fact, here is the 3 to 3.75 example https://youtu.be/8BvpoTUrKTU?t=251), each combo accelerates a tiny bit faster than the other. Regardless of speeds, etc, this indicates that something has indeed changed with the acceleration stat, or how it's calculated. I don't know what the best way to explain it would be. Any ideas?Bowserboy3 (talk) 16:29, 26th April 2017 (BST)
 * I'm sorry I wasn't clear. In the link I added it is exactly explained why this happens. Anyway, I'll just tell you one of the tests I did. I changed the speed of Mario Kart 8 editing the stats file, making it 50% higher. I locally recorded the ghost - even though I deliberately obtained a bad time uploading a hacked time is still a bad thing so don't do it if you want to redo the test! - and did the same comparison. Actually, I even cared to compare pair of combinations that only differed in acceleration and not top speed, as increasing maximum speed increases acceleration determined by Drive_SpdKfFwd as well. When I did this, all hard acceleration tiers were gone, and acceleration increased every time the acceleration stat increased, just like in 200cc, where the speed is 50% higher. If you want, I can record the tests and upload them on Twitch if you need data to cite. Regarding Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the author didn't clearly mention whether 150cc Time Trials or 200cc Time Trials in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were compared, so if anything we should know this first by asking him. If it turns out that he tested 150cc Time Trials, this might be due to two factors:
 * Different maximum speed values
 * Different acceleration values
 * Anyway, we must first know what he actually tested - in 200cc hard acceleration tiers were never a thing, only soft ones due to Drive_SpdKfFwd changing every 4 points - i. e. when the integer part of Acceleration shown in the menu increases.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:53, 26 April 2017 (EDT)


 * The video does show the stat differences between the three combos that were being tested. However, the tests were not done on Toad Harbor, and since the acceleration boosting gliders also weaken the ground speed stat now, there's always the chance that a margin of error exists during the tests. Again, even if one combo accelerates faster, if the speed stats are different, then the faster combo will eventually outspeed the slower combo as they get closer to reaching their top speed. 15:20, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

New Time Trials Ghosts
Along with 200cc TTs having their own staff ghosts, it seems 150cc staff ghosts have obtained minor improvements

Where as the big blue ghost in mk8 was a 1:39 In mk8d it's a 1:37

another example is how the donut plains 3 ghost was a 1:39 in mk8 And a 1:36 in mk8d Delphy (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Again, it would be intriguing to know if the times are better just because the staff was better, if they are better because the maximum speed in-game stats were tweaked, giving a speed increase that might also be responsible for the disappearance of the hard tiering in the acceleration, or if this is just the effect of the Ultra Mini-Turbo. Anyway, due to the latter, we cannot jump to any conclusion right now.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:26, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Coins Required to unlock Kart Parts
After having played MK8D for a few hours, I've noticed that parts are unlocked in increments of 30, as I've noticed that I've gotten unlock popups at 30, 60, 90, 120, and 150 coins. No other increment seems apparent at the moment. Has this been noted already, or is this new information? (talk) 20:37, 28 April 2017 (EST)
 * Yeah, I've noticed that too. I got unlock popups at 30, 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210 and 240 coins. I'm not sure if it's always like that, we just have to play the game and take notes to find out. At least it makes getting kart parts easier than Mario Kart 7 or the original Mario Kart 8. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 21:15, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
 * I noticed it changes to increments of 50 after the 450 coin unlock. As I got an unlockable at 450 and 500 coins, but not the expected 480. (talk)15:26, 29 April 2017 (EST)
 * If I may add to this, I believe once you hit 1600 coins, the intervals change to every 100 coins, as I didn't unlock anything at 1650 coins.
 * If what you said is correct, I believe you unlock the last non-gold vehicle part at 3000 coins. 11:50, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Actually it was 1500 Coins that it changes to 100 per unlock, because the following unlock came at 1600, with the final RNG Kart Piece being awarded at 3100 total Coins (Still being awarded an unlock each 100). I farmed a little further beyond that and didn't get an unlock for 3200 or 3350. I mentioned exactly when the numbers changed in a chat I always have access to, so I can definitely say the Coin tiers swapped at 450 -> 500 and 1500 -> 1600. I would add this information on the page but I must be blind and can't see the edit button or just don't have permissions. Xalugami (talk) 17:44, 1 May 2017 (EDT)
 * You currently do not have permission, but if you make just one more edit anywhere (such as replying to this message), you will become autoconfirmed and are able to edit the page. :) 17:47, 1 May 2017 (EDT)

Hidden stats in new Prima guide book
In the official MK8DX Prima guide book. Amazon have a preview of one page featuring Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy.

Seem to be rated out of 6.

https://imgur.com/a/Ilh27

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mario-Kart-Deluxe-Joseph-Epstein-x/dp/0744018404

Gingerbeardman (talk) 16:17, 30 April 2017 (EDT)
 * Thanks for pointing to the sample page, until we manage to get the in-game statistics we actually need all the stats from the PRIMA guide! Those stats are not really out of 6, the PRIMA guide just uses the proper format - the in-game format. We are using an improper format that is widely used, reserving the proper format for the page about the in-game stats.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2017 (EDT)


 * So the guide considers Peach and Daisy to be lightweight characters? That heavily contradicts with how this article categorizes the weight classes. I also have to question the grip statistic, because Luigi's traction is "weaker" than Mario's traction in this game. 13:34, 1 May 2017 (EDT)

Miis face expression
So, played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe since it came out and I even went to local play and for some reason the Miis face expression only animated in the lobby in the Wireless Play or Online play so, I have no clue if it's a bug or what. --RodneytheMiiGuy 11:52, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Yeah, for some reason, Nintendo decided to tone down the Mii expressions. They no longer animate during races. 11:57, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
 * They didn't even do the face expressions in "Mario and Sonic at the 2010 Winter Olympic Games" and "Mario and Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games" for the Wii as well. --RodneytheMiiGuy 13:02, 2 May 2017 (EDT)

More Rivals
I think they added a few things to the rival system compared to Mario Kart 8. In the original Mario Kart 8, only the original 12 characters shown off at the game's reveal at E3 had rivals in the game. However, I've noticed a few consistent characters in Deluxe that appear when you use specific characters. I did a few tests with Ludwig, Roy and Metal Mario; I started 3 grand prix with each character and when I did, Iggy was in all three when I played as Ludwig, Morton was in all three when I played as Roy and Pink Gold Peach was present when I used Metal Mario. Adding to that, they all started at the first place position when the race started so I think that every character now has at least one rival in the game, whether they were unlockable or not. I can continue figuring out who has who as a rival if it helps.
 * The rival system is for sure one of the unique aspects of Mario Kart that suits this Wiki, so go ahead! Try to see if there is more than one rival for each character as well, if you can.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:39, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Leave it to me! I got this.
 * Does this apply only in Grand Prix like the original or does it apply across the entire game, including VS and battle mode? 00:43, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I tested it all out and it once again only applies to Grand Prix. I did try Vs. mode and battle mode, but the CPUs were random each time (you can check through making it a team game). I also have the table of characters completed, but I'll likely add it later, as I'm still unsure why some characters have no rivals.
 * Thanks for the table! Incidentally, it just confirmed that Peach and Daisy are Wendy's rivals, which is something that was allegedly stated in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U and restated in the Wii U version of Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games, although the games hadn't show such rivalry yet. Now we know why these apparently trivial tables can be useful!--Mister Wu (talk) 18:38, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Not a problem, glad I could help. On that note, I noticed the whole deal with Wendy's rivals too. Heck the Smash 4 trophy was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Peach and Daisy as Wendy's rivals. Not sure how noteworthy it is, but it's still pretty cool.
 * Ok needs to be said again, There is no rival system in mario kart 8 or deluxe. This discussion happened back when mario kart 8 came out and it was decided that there was none. The ai characters that hang around 1st, 2nd and 3rd are completely random. I've never seen the same ai when doing cups in either game. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * I've watched a variety of YouTubers playing MK8D on Grand Prix, and the results found by the users above matches perfectly. Every time Rosalina was played as, Toad started the GP in 1st place. Whether he does well or not, though, is an unrelated matter. MarioComix (talk) 03:56, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I think the rival system pretty much exists and it's very noticeable. I use Bowser, and in the Wii U during Grand Prix, Mario and Luigi always start in 1st and 2nd place. This is the same in the Switch version. I also sometimes play with my aunt (yes, she has the game and plays lmao) who uses DK, and when we play Grand Prix, it's always Bowser and Wario who start at the front. I tested this too in the Switch, and it is indeed those two. I also know Waluihi still has Luigi and Toadette. From what I can tell too, it appears Metal Mario (unsurprisingly) has Pink Gold Peach as one of the rivals in Grand Prix; I never took note of who the other one was strangely, but I was particularly looking out to see if Pink Gold Peach was a rival, and indeed she was (Metal Mario is also one of Pink Gold Peach's rivals).


 * One thing that can make the rival system seem inconsistent though is how the CPU characters race in comparison to where they sit in the rankings of a Grand Prix. For example, when I play a Grand Prix as Bowser, Mario and Luigi will always start in the top 2 places, and almost always be behind me if I am in 1st place. However, if (for the sake of argument) Luigi gets hit at the last moment and drops to say, 9th place and finishes there, you will likely never see Luigi again during the Grand Prix unless he somehow makes it back into the top 5 spots (say, gets a Bullet Bill last minute and gets a high placing to boost him back up).


 * Essentially, the game always makes sure the characters that are doing well in the total rankings are the ones that are behind you; the game just gives the rival characters priority as of race one; if they start to drop, the game doesn't support them by race two (the rivals).


 * You can see some players discussing which characters are near the front of the pack here; pretty much everything matches up with the date unveiled so far - https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/200276-mario-kart-8-deluxe/75302336


 * I am also going to do some research into other character rivals. Is there a table or anything yet I can refer to? Bowserboy3 (talk) 10:19, 4th May 2017 (BST)


 * If rivals are in it, they shouldn't be titled rivals, they were called rivals in mario kart 7 because they actually were made to fight for 1st position. If anything by the way the ai acts its more of a re-appearing racer or a challenger. The above post describes it best as the game doesn't push for the ai starting in first pole to perform overly well. However since the race ends once the player finish's its hard to actually determine it's behavior. As stated in mario kart 7 they were made to always appear up there regardless of position that the player was in upon finishing. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)


 * Gotta do a 180 here, the ai character roster became much more consistent once i jumped it back up to 200cc. - Cubeguy2ver.pnguy(talk)
 * To be clear, since Mario Kart: Double Dash!! the rivals and other opponents controlled by CPU can change their target place, as stated in a patent on rubber-banding filed by Nintendo. So the rivals might actually change their target place and might not do as well as you might think they should, and are best defined as just recurring characters that appear in the Grand Prix when you select a certain character.--Mister Wu (talk) 09:49, 4 May 2017 (EDT)


 * The use of the word "rivals" can be misleading, but I think that, since this system is basically a tweaked version of MK7's rival system (that is, they are no longer confirmed to do well), and with lack of a better word, we should still use "rivals", as well as continue to mention that they are different from MK7 in the regard that they don't always do well. MarioComix (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Item Distribution
I've been playing this game a lot, and I've noticed they changed the item distribution from Mario Kart 8. I get the Super Horn much more often, and I can get Triple Bananas in 1st place. Polterpup (talk) 20:18, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
 * They changed indeed many things in the item distributions, all of which would need to be documented, sadly the PRIMA guide is blatantly wrong, as it doesn't even have Bob-ombs in 1st place, so we will have to rely on in-game data as soon as we manage to obtain them - anyway it's too early now to guess when they will be available.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:25, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

New trivia
Hello, I have noticed Gold Mario is never played by CPU players, maybe this trivia deserve to be added in the article. Also, he don't say the same thing than Metal Mario when picked in character select.

90.53.176.51 11:11, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Grouping Kart Parts
I think it would reduce some of the clutter on the page if similar kart parts were grouped together. This would not only make the part list consistent with the character stat chart, but would help anyone looking at the chart figure out which parts are clones of each other. In its current form, the chart is very large, and requires a lot of scrolling. It is easily the biggest element in the article, and i do not feel this is necessary and frankly annoying at times. I am aware that the stats shown could be incorrect, so it might be best to consider this change once everyone is confident that the info collected is correct.

--Marioman87 (talk) 11:55, 11 May 2017 (EDT)


 * I think that if this were to go ahead, the same should be done for the Mario Kart 8 page as well. MarioComix (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Of course, grouping parts together saves space, the matter is not losing any information - those tables are the ones that introduce all vehicle parts, they are not introduced before. It must be important not to lose any information shown in the current table when doing that, as not only stats are introduced, but also the names and the additional properties, such as those related to color or drift type. In Mario Kart 8, this might make more sense since there are less groups and since inside drifting bikes, which have a different gameplay and thus should be highligthed, are grouped together with different stats with respect to outside drifting vehicles; this was likely done at the time because their turning capability while drifting is way lower. Regarding Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, we sadly have inconsistent Water Speed for the Streetle and Landship pair, so I would wait to have the in-game stats so we can reliably write the stats of the groups.--Mister Wu (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Exactly, well said. MarioComix (talk) 00:52, 12 May 2017 (EDT)


 * It should be noted that all the vehicle parts on the article are sorted by how they're sorted in-game. If we are to pair vehicle parts by group, we do need to remember how the game orders them. 23:12, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Rivals Changed?
I believe it's a possibility that the latest update has changed some characters' rivals, at least for King Boo. If you look on YouTube, all videos of GP using King Boo (at least the most popular ones) show that he doesn't have a consistent rival. However, based on one of our users' experience with the game (which is more recent than some of those videos - namely after the update), King Boo has a rival in Dry Bones. So, I believe it's possible that King Boo gained a rival after the update - it's possible this may have occurred to other characters. If anyone has the game and could help verify, that would be much appreciated. MarioComix (talk) 00:06, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
 * I can confirm that, not only was Dry Bones not in first place at the beginning of the race when I played as King Boo, but Dry Bones did not appear at all. None of the other rivals appear to be changed, either; I haven't tested them all, but I have tested the first two rows. 73.147.234.34 14:11, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
 * Hm, so maybe they weren't changed after all. MarioComix (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

Inklings
Can anyone find any of the other Inklings' character select screen icons. Is it in the games' coding? B ron 3000 17:45, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
 * The characters' icons currently come from the game's site, as assets from the game haven't been ripped yet, this is why the colored variants of the Inklings aren't there.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
 * I uploaded the variants of those characters. Is it possible if we can make it PNG? B ron 3000 MP9 Luigi Icon.png 13:03, 12 July 2017 (EDT)



Can someone add the USK rating?
It is 0. http://www.usk.de/en/search-for-title/search-for-title/?tx_uskdb_list%5Baction%5D=search&tx_uskdb_list%5Bcontroller%5D=Title&cHash=b702b0e569fc0b029fa8a704e0a58d1b 185.46.78.38 07:46, 5 August 2017 (EDT)


 * Thanks, it's been added. 09:44, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

New vehicles
Is this really needed? We already have a section with the bodies and stuff B ron 3000  12:26, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

Weight Class Categories

 * Is there an official source that confirms that there's a Featherweight and Cruiser weight class? Last I've checked, the Mario Kart 8 article only has three official weight classes; Light, Medium, and Heavy. 18:42, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Prima uses "Featherweight" and "Cruiser". 18:46, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Still, there is one issue in regards to Cruiser, because based on the weight class table in Mario Kart 7, Cruiser is supposed to be lighter than Heavy. 18:51, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
 * I think the issue is with Mario Kart 7 rather than this game: all of the information on this article is accurate to the Prima guide, whereas the Prima guide for Mario Kart 7 doesn't even group the characters into weight classes (and the game doesn't seem to do so either). 18:56, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Cruiserweight being the class of Royweights in Mario Kart 8 comes from the Mario Kart community, as well as unofficial guides like this one, effectively the official naming of the PRIMA guide is different.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Shouldn't we be using the official PRIMA naming? MarioComix (talk) 00:24, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Stats discrepancy in table vs. dedicated page
A lot of the kart parts have one set of stats in the overall table and then completely different stats when you go their page. For example, the Comet shows 0 Traction in the table but in its page it has -1.25. The Plane Glider and the Paper Glider both have stats in the table, even though their pages say they don't affect anything. Every time I come back to this page I just keep finding more of these.

I'd make the changes myself but I don't know which article to trust, so just leaving this note here.
 * I recommend reading what is written before the table of the stats in the dedicated page. The game never worked with stats differences, but rather with Points: each point is a 0.25 increase on the bar, and each part, as well as the driver, contributes their own points to each stat. Essentially, the table in the main page uses the wrong format, as hidden stats are only in points, but since there is a direct correspondence between bar values and points, for convenience we decided to still report the stats in bar values - the ones shown by the vehicle customization menu. The in-game data page on the other hand must reflect the game's data in the way it is stored and used and thus reports the stats in points.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:39, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

I'm... more confused than I was before, but I guess if it's correct it's fine then.

What's with the drastic change to the statistics tables for characters and kart parts?
What's with the new numbers in the statistic charts and where did they come from? :-\ Plus, what's with the colors in the charts? 71.70.168.212 14:56, 4 February 2018 (EST)
 * That's the stats actually used by the game, which allow to properly rate the characters and the various parts, avoiding misleading conclusions. Since people typically see the values of the vehicle customization screen,we added instructions to use the stats of parts and characters and relate them to the values shown in the vehicle customization screen, which shows the stats of the combination as a whole. The color is just used to better distinguish the highest and lowest values you can have with characters or parts' classes. Yellow is lowest, cyan is average, blue is highest.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2018 (EST)

Kart Parts
Hello. Under the Kart Part sections, there are two notifications labeled as "Part not available in original Mario Kart 8" and "Part new to this game". Since they literally mean the same, why not use only one of them? (And yes, I know the Koopa Clown was in MK 7 but it's still a new part to Mario Kaart 8) If someone could change that, or give an explanation why this is the case, I would be most grateful. Cheers. TheIceCream (talk) 11:19, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
 * (DX) for the Koopa Clown means it wasn't in Mario Kart 8, but the piece didn't debut in this game (like you said, it was originally in Mario Kart 7). (NEW) for the Inkling bikes means that those pieces were introduced in this game and weren't in any before. It's a slight distinction, but a distinction nonetheless. 11:28, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
 * OK, thanks. Makes a bit more sense then. TheIceCream (talk) 11:37, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

BotW update
I ripped the icons from the BotW update. I will upload them soon. —Atlas (talk) 14:02, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

Character select screen
I think this needs updating, due to the new BotW update. B ron 3000  01:03, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Two Links
I found out that even though Champion's Tunic Link is a variant, the player can still race against him in the races and battles, even if they are already playing as one of the Links. Usually, you can't play against a variant of your character (for example, if you play as Red Yoshi, you won't play against regular Yoshi). Should this go in the article? If so, where? B ron 3000  21:19, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Ambigous point
The article states in the section about differences: "The shadows present are of higher quality in multiplayer." It doesn't specify if it's LAN/online or splitscreen. The point about motion blur specified being added to LAN/online. I think this should be clarified. Liggliluff (talk) 10:28, February 22, 2020 (EST)

Difference Sections
Why does this page have a 'differences from the original' section and later a 'differences from Mario Kart 8' section? Isn't that redundant? I'd merge one section into the other but I wanted to check first if there was some reason for this. Hewer (talk|contributions) 16:14, February 10, 2021 (EST)
 * It's pretty clearly redundant, from what I remember the "Differences from the original" section was made first, even before the game was released, while the "Differences from Mario Kart 8" section came later, after the release of the game. They now can be merged, provided that no information is lost in the process.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:49, February 10, 2021 (EST)

I think some CPUs use more then 4 Vehicles
I have read that Standard ATVs (along with possibly the Standard Kart, Standard Bike and a few other vehicles) are used by almost every CPU with some exceptions (Dry Bowser, the Inklings, Yoshi, Baby Daisy, Baby Peach, Toadette, and female Villager) for example Mario (who is not one of the listed CPUs who don’t use a Standard ATV) uses the standard ATV so shouldn’t they be included in the CPU combinations? Here’s the article on here that mentions this https://www.mariowiki.com/Standard_ATV --35.136.180.207

Breath of the Wild Link
This page erroneously states that the Breath of the Wild Link is simply an alternate costume for Link. this is in fact not true, the game actually considers it to be a separate character completely. CPUs may select both Link and Breath of the Wild Link (even at the same time) so it's hard to call it a simple alt costume for him. RSM, not who i used to be. 12:11, March 29, 2022 (EDT)

Stat charts
Out of curiosity, is there any way we could make a version of the stat charts for the characters, karts, etc a little easier to read and understand? While the information they give are relevant and accurate, I don't feel like it's very reader friendly. While I'm kinda speaking from personal experience right now (I'm not the strongest with math and such), it's also my opinion that the average person playing Mario Kart would be looking for a more simpler, straightforward way of figuring out the final stats for different kart combinations if they're looking for something specific (for example, a kart with high speed and handling specifically). I feel like, for the article itself, a easier to follow chart would be more useful while the in-game statistics that follow the more complicated means of calculating are good on the separate article. I could easily be wrong, as I can only speak for myself on this, but does anyone else find the charts hard to follow and use?