User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick/Archive 2

Last Warning
No, this is the last straw. Learn to play nice with other people. 21:59, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * What? I was just saying "This is the obvious choice as to what to do, per literally every deletion of character article ever" (a la Arcade Bunny and several more before that). That wasn't a personal attack on anyone, as I don't think anyone did anything to actually go about truly deleting the article itself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * You don't tell someone that "anyone with a human brain" would have thought of what they suggested. It's disrespectful, no matter how you slice it. 22:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * It's hard to act "nice" when your Dad's right outside your room and has been whistling like a train for the past five minutes. It's infuriating, even. And might cause one to lose judgement completely outside their control. And I don't think saying someone is "human" as opposed to "monster" is insulting them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * I....am confused as to why I am getting a warning for basically saying "you aren't a sociopath"...? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:11, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * Doc, saying that someone's idea is something that "anyone with a human brain" could have thought of is insulting. You don't get to take out your frustrations on others no matter the reason, and you don't get off scot-free just because your insulting term wasn't as insulting as it could have been. 22:12, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * It wasn't an insulting term, it was me saying he was a good person and not having unnatural crazy ideas. Again, a bit of judgement impairment led to odd wording. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * Though I am honestly a bit curious as to whether this is a valid warning or if you're just angry that your recent proposal was vetoed after nearly sorta-succeeding. I was the first person to adamantly oppose it, after all....but, yeah, what I was saying is that his idea wasn't deranged or unreasonable, but perfectly human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * This doesn't have anything to do with his proposal failing. If he didn't give you the last warning, someone else would have instead, such as myself, who didn't like your comment either. I don't really want to drag this out any further but let's just say that I don't like the implications of "anyone with a human brain could figure it out" sends. The tone is very condescending, because although you didn't outright say it, you're pretty much saying that the editor doesn't have a brain and therefore didn't have the foresight to see why it's not a redirect. You could have very well done without the extra comment and get the meaning of what you're trying to say across. 22:52, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * Oh wow when you put it in that light it does sound bad. Jeeze. I was just trying to say it was humane and sane.... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2018 (EST)
 * That's because that's how I saw that comment was. Whatever your intention was was lost in translation due to bad wording. 22:53, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Wording is hard when your ears have been assaulted by nearby deliberately-obnoxious whistling for the past several minutes. Sorry. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:54, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Flowers SUCK!
Hey, come on, Doc! Why did you delete that? Luigi's not acting like a hero, he IS a hero, dang it! Give the man in green some respect, Mario fanboy. 00:31, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * But what is a pushing and why is it approaching the shove? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:32, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * Are you telling me you don't know the phrase "when push comes to shove"?! Come ON now, everyone should know it! 00:35, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * I've heard it, but only like 3 times before in my life. Also only fanboy/girling here is over Pakkun of Pettiness and the Iggster. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * Fine, I'll tell you--it means when things come to the make it or break it point, when you either do it or you don't. Is that gonna help you? I thought you were a doctor, you should KNOW this stuff! And also, regarding the last warning you got above, don't become like I did. I'm being dead serious with that statement. 00:41, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * What happened was a statement I made was misinterpreted. Also, as I've said, I do not actually have a PhD. And yeah, I knew what it meant, it's just far to colloquial (and a tad obscure) to use here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * Statements get misinterpreted all the time, and there are always times when we're angry. You know what that got me? Two blocks. Self-control, man. I know you don't intend to be impolite, but just be more careful with what you say. 00:53, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * I wasn't even really angry, just distracted by a repetitive noise. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 20 January 2018 (EST)
 * Anyways, there's probably no point in trying to appeal it, when it's put in that negative nancy light they demonstrated, it really does look bad... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Wario Land level articles
Yes, I own the game. I do intend to make a start on the levels that haven't been covered yet myself; I just wanted to get the first two worlds out of the way first. If I don't have the time to work on the rest, though, I'll let you know. 06:15, 21 January 2018 (EST)

RE:Mansion Door
Thanks, that's a good idea, but I think I'll contact Mario jc as well, since he's a little more knowledgeable. PS: No, I'm creating articles on the Scraps because they're technically key items, and technically used as such. 23:52, 22 January 2018 (EST)
 * Yes, and though I haven't played it, I know how it works, too. 23:59, 22 January 2018 (EST)
 * The policy. 00:02, 23 January 2018 (EST)

Edit conflicts FOR THE WIN!
Hey, it happens all the dang time to everyone, and I am no exception. 23:53, 22 January 2018 (EST)
 * Well, whatever does the hat trick. 23:56, 22 January 2018 (EST)
 * I'm not speaking in obscure 1950s slang, and even if I am, the 1950s were actually good. A hat trick is an event in which a player scores three goals in a hockey game or hits three home runs in a baseball game. Learn your sports terms, doctor. 00:07, 23 January 2018 (EST)
 * And do you know where I was brought up and raised for almost my whole life?! ST LOUIS! I'm an absolutely HUGE die-hard fan of the St Louis Cardinals, and baseball in general. 00:15, 23 January 2018 (EST)

RE: Heavily-Recurring Music
I actually thought of proposing something like that on the Mario Boards for a while (but never got to it), except it's just the Ground Theme with the history behind it (I remember there's an article somewhere where Koji Kondo discusses the music of SMB) and its many appearances in the franchise. I'd be on board with articles for other recurring songs; personally I'd prefer they mention some history behind their composition, rather than simply be a list of games they appear in with descriptions of the variations. 00:32, 26 January 2018 (EST)


 * Yeah, that's what I meant. 00:50, 26 January 2018 (EST)


 * The structure and flow. 01:14, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Choco Mountain
Those dumb rocks are always a pain and they can knock you off all the time. 00:58, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Bowser's Minions
No, it's not, are you kidding me? The Invincishroom was NEVER an Invincibility Mushroom in the first place! It is NOT a new story! It's an untold one, and there are just too many connections to dispute that. Where is the retconning? The Koopalings are still fought in the game, so you can't pick that. The thing is, the Toads never got an Invinibility Mushroom in the first place, they got a poison mushroom in the original game. Again, I don't see any retconning. It's an untold story, end of story. 17:10, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * Maybe, but when push comes to shove, there are too many connections and tie-ins between the two stories for this one to be new. I am not buying it. As for the Koopalings, they probably arrive at the castle and after getting back with the squad, Mario and Luigi arrive and they fight the bros. Also, I know what I'm doing. As for Dr. Toadley, it's nothing too big. Nintendo is probably trying to get with the times, and number one, they explicitly said the story was an untold adventure, so I'm going with it. 22:58, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * Also, let's make this clear: Nintendo never confirmed in the original game that Bowser got his amnesia by crashing into the mountain. It was only implied. In fact, it is the original story that has enough holes in it that the untold story justifies, and that's where the connections come in. The story is expanded, not retconned. I just do not buy the theory that the untold story is "new", when it has been in the making for years, if not by the developers themselves, then by the game itself. 23:00, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * Anyway, sorry if I got on a hard edge there. I just have an intense distaste for the theory that the untold story is new and an add-on. Ever since the original game, the story of what happened to Bowser has been a mystery that many people have been wondering about for years...until the remake. And I think the remake does an excellent job presenting the untold adventure and tying it in and connecting it with the original Mario Bros story and removing most of the continuity holes, so when someone says that the untold story, in essence, wasn't a thing, makes me angry. 23:30, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * And the game expanded on him and made him into one of the major contributors of the whole story of Superstar Saga. That is the point I am trying to make. 23:45, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * An expansion is not a revision. An expansion expands on something and gives it more information, while a revision downright changes the thing. I don't see Superstar Saga being changed that much to be that different than the original version. 23:48, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * There are different things in the remake, but it's not enough to make it a revision. It looks more like it was expanded upon. It's the Mario 64 DS to the original's Mario 64. After all, it is called an enhanced remake. I just don't see the retconning. I know like I sound blind, but I'm serious, there's just not enough difference. 23:54, 28 January 2018 (EST)
 * I'm not defining "revision" wrong, I'm just saying there is not enough of a difference to call it a retcon or a significant revision. Also, the Mario 64 DS and Mario 64 comparison makes sense because the two are often paired up together when they are talked about, and Mario 64 DS expanded on some things from Mario 64, just like Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions expanded on some things from Superstar Saga. The two games have generally the same story, so to call one of them "new" is wrong and betrays the continuity--in fact, calling it new itself can cause its own continuity holes. And in fact, if you yourself called Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions an updated re-release of the original Superstar Saga, then how is there a new story? It sounds like more like an untold story to me. 00:07, 29 January 2018 (EST)
 * It is not a retcon. In fact, there are not enough changes to even make this a retcon. Just because there were no Mechawfuls in the original does not make the game a retcon on its own, and even then, it is only Captain Goomba and his squad that faces them. They were made for the untold adventure, and their role in the plot is such that it does not really change the story of the game much. And when all is said and done, the two stories are too closely tied and connected with each other that it sounds more like the untold story really is the untold adventure after all. I think Nintendo was deliberately somewhat ambiguous with the story of the original game when it came to these moments so it could make the untold story an untold story. A retcon has to be a significant revision, which is something that the untold story lacks. And plus, what do you think betraying the continuity means? And no, Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS are not even close to being totally different games in terms of story--in fact, they are too similar in terms of story. 00:19, 29 January 2018 (EST)
 * Those are not even significant enough to BE retconning. They are just minor changes that do not have much of an impact on the story to throw it off track into something different. In fact, they do the opposite at times--they expand the story. To be honest, I think Yoshi's roles in Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS are reconcilable because he's on the roof in both games. A retcon is a significant revision, and we don't have that here. The stories are not being thrown off track or reimagined, they are being expanded and somewhat retold. 00:42, 29 January 2018 (EST)
 * The two of them standing on the ground has nothing to do with their stories. Yoshi being on the roof in Mario 64 and Mario 64 DS does. 00:47, 29 January 2018 (EST)
 * I still think that the story is an expanded and enhanced telling and not a retcon, and therefore, we have the case of an untold adventure. But whatever, I don't think this is gonna do anything. 20:43, 29 January 2018 (EST)

Smiley Face Coins
Just here to show you that the coins dropped by Lakitu's Cloud are in fact Smiley Face Coins.

Here's a video I found showcasing what each of the berries do. If you pause around the time stamp that I've set it to, you'll see that the coins are actually Smiley Faces. I would've used spriter's resource, but I couldn't find those coins on any of the sprite sheets. 14:11, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Wario's accent
No, it is not! I swear it sounds just like Mario's and Luigi's accents. He has GOT to be Italian. You have played the games, right? 23:43, 30 January 2018 (EST)
 * Yes, and in 64 DS it has a particular guttural buzz to it typically associated with Russian voices, like Vitaly from Madagascar 3 or Rasputin in Anastasia. Along with the way he annunciates his "r"s. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)
 * That's just one game. And plus, it's not significant enough. Let's face it, all the evidence points to him being of Italian heritage, just like Mario and Luigi. I don't care about Thomas Spindler right now, because he does not factor into this discussion. 23:47, 30 January 2018 (EST)
 * 64 DS uses the exact same voice as MK8, from the sound of it. In fact, pretty sure some of the yelling soundbytes are recycled. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:53, 30 January 2018 (EST)
 * What does that mean, then? I still think that Wario is Italian. Just look at the article! It literally says he is of Italian heritage. 23:59, 30 January 2018 (EST)
 * Because you put that in there. It doesn't matter what you "think." What matters is the cold hard facts, and the fact is, we don't know his heritage. Heck, he might not even have a heritage, he came from a stork. The few times even a hint of an Italian accent shows up is when he's saying lines clearly intended to mock Mario's, ie "It's-a me, Wario!" Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * I did not put that in there, that was in the article in the first place! You're missing the point, aren't you? It was in the article in the first place! And plus, Mario and Luigi came from storks as well, so they don't have a heritage, according to your logic. Wario himself has many Italian traits, so if anything, he is of Italian heritage, just like Mario and Luigi. 00:14, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And he very well may not. Saying Wario definitively is, however, is ungrounded, as the evidence you've provided is tenuous at best. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * But Mario and Luigi came from storks as well! Are you saying that they possibly do not have Italian heritage? That is what your logic is saying. 00:20, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Yes, that is what I am saying. However they, at the very least, have some official backing to being of Italian heritage, though this is a tad muddled. But since Wario is just a gross imitator of Mario, there's not much pointing to him actually being of Italian heritage instead of just imitating it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And it is because he is a gross imitator of Mario that gives him every reason to be of Italian heritage. Remember, this is Mario's arch-rival and possibly cousin, and they have known each other for years. Why would he not be Italian? He doesn't seem to be copying or imitating Mario--he sure sounds like the real thing. 00:36, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And that's your opinion. However, it makes it more likely that he isn't Italian if, in his insulting imitations, he exaggerated the Italian-ness to them. Why would he mock his own heritage to annoy someone else? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And he doesn't have to insult Mario by imitating him like that. Sure, he might be trying to catch up to Mario and put him down, but there is no way he does not have a natural Italian accent because no one in the Mario franchise is able to imitate or even sound like an Italian unless he is one, and that is what Wario has to be. 00:47, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * No one can unless they are? [citation needed] Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Just play the games and you'll know. I have played a lot of games and I have never seen anyone else speak, much less imitate that Italian accent of Mario, Luigi, and Wario. 20:43, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * That means they don't, not that they can't. Besides, Wario is the most vocal antithesis Mario has. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And how do you know they can or can't? Wario is the only one I am sure of because he has so many Italian traits. 20:47, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Typically it's safe to assume that if something is outright easy to do in the real world, in the land where gas can be used to outright steal voices and replace them with exploding symbols, it should probably also be pretty easy. Superstar Saga also had Luigi apparently putting on an adequate Princess Peach voice impression, after all. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Wario edit
Oops, sorry about that. What I meant to say is that it's one source anyway, so we can still say that this is unconfirmed by other sources. We aren't confirming anything ourselves, so it's not speculation. 20:30, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * It's unconfirmed to have been said by Nintendo Power, particularly as that was added by an untrustworthy person. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:36, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * No, it said it was unconfirmed by other sources. That means Nintendo Power has stated it before but other sources have not. And also, I don't completely buy Alex's claim that the user who added that was an untrustworthy person. That edit was on there for years, so it has to have been made by someone trustworthy. 20:38, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * It's very possible the edit has been there due to the lack of oversight rather than if the claim is actually verified. 20:44, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Lack of oversight? There have been TONS of edits on that Wario article, so I don't think lack of oversight would be an issue on that article. 20:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * It's a large article though. A few months ago, I went to the Koopa Troopa article and did an overview of it, and managed to find some instances of "Koopa's" being used as the plural, even though those were being zapped away back in 2007. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Yeah, that still doesn't give any credence to the source. One time, Baby Luigi's article had something about him liking milk and bubbles and it stayed on there for quite a while until I removed it. What you're asserting means nothing. An unsourced claim is an unsourced claim, no matter how long it stayed on the article. 20:51, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * It also had 14 detailed paragraphs over the plot of one game. In a character article. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:52, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * And it gets that large precisely because there is so much oversight on them. Now, I guess you have a point with the "Koopa's" debacle, but my point still stands. As for Baby Luigi, there is still a source. You can talk all you want about the citation-needed tag, but I will just spill the beans on the fact that he literally just said Nintendo Power was the one who stated it. That's enough sourcing you need, and you don't even need a citation-needed tag to do it. 20:54, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * I can say Nintendo Power said that Waluigi loves eating electric eels, but that doesn't mean that they actually did. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:55, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * That whole 14 detailed paragraphs thing is what happens when you're fanatically obsessed with a character and you want to keep his article featured at all costs. Also, yes, you NEED a citation for information like this, Lcrossmk8, it's to prevent schmucks from making up information as they edit pages. 20:57, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * He would not have put that thing in there unless he was sure that it was the case. He probably must have read it in a Nintendo Power magazine or something. Anyway, thanks for edit-conflicting me again. That's very nice of you. 20:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Or he could have made it up, or misremembered something they or someone else said. It's a dubious claim, and we've had many occasions where things that were accepted as fact without a citation proved to be wrong, like Kaptain K. Rool being King K. Rool's brother in Japan. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * You do realize that no one edit conflicts on purpose, right? Stop being so rude with the sarcastic remarks about someone edit-conflicting your posts. 21:02, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Well, I guess the system isn't perfect after all. But I still don't buy Alex's claim that the guy was a magnet for trouble. And if I find a source proving my claim, would you accept it as fact? I don't know, I have a gut instinct it might be true. After all, why do you think they have known each other for so long? There has got to be a reason. 21:05, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * @Baby Luigi--Hey, I was being light-hearted. I didn't mean to insult anyone on purpose. I know it happens by chance. 21:05, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * Yoshi's Island DS, mayhaps? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * @Lcrossmk8 I didn't see it as a light-hearted remark. The "thanks for conflicting me again, that's very nice of you" I read as sarcastic, condescending, and overall just very rude for something that always happens because of sheer coincidence rather than any malicious intent, and it's also something that can't be helped. It's difficult to see what your tone is online without any sort of vocal indicator of what you're trying to convey. And as I said in my talk page, if you found a verifiable source for that claim, you're free to add it back. As of now, it stays of Wario's page. End of the story. 21:11, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * That sucks, doesn't it? I guess it's the trolls. They always have to come in and ruin the fun. But whatever, end of the story. Let's just hope it doesn't get retconned by a remake. :) 21:15, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Just want to say this is the edit that added it in in the first place. The user's talk page only consists of a reminder and a warning (I suppose I made it out worse than it actually is) and is no longer active, so we can't ask where they got their information. Additionally, there is a userbox on their page that reads "This user thinks Waluigi is Wario's younger brother, and Mario and Luigi's cousin.", so the information is reading out to be fan subjective and used Nintendo Power as a way to back themselves up. Asking around and looking at various sites, I found nothing confirming Wario's relation to Mario of any kind. There was one instance where someone claimed the first Mario vs Wario comic said that, but reading it over there was nothing.

Regarding Wario's Italian heritage, as I was looking through the page's history to find the above edit, I noticed the information was removed on several occasions because it is not confirmed. Basically, both of these edits are based on unsourced claims. 22:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)
 * I see. Well, I hope Lcross finds happiness somewhere else now that he's gone for good this time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2018 (EST)