User talk:Walkazo/Archive 12

Status: School has started, and combined with volunteering and work, my free time for editing is going to drop pretty drastically. I'll still try to get some stuff done, however, and as always, if you have any questions or concerns or need help with something, fire away and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

RE:Last Warning
Hello, Annieflower678 is my sister and she hates me. She did the FA nomination thing for fun, we have to share the same computer at home, and most importantly, I`m not sockpuppeting. It maybe was a mistake,but is everything cool?

Trivia Guidelines Passed
I saw that the proposal has passed and the draft is now complete with your ideas added. I guess I'll make the page right now, and maybe you or another user can help me with the grammar, you know.


 * Oh, well, I admit I'm not the best speaking English (oviously is not my original language), but OK, make the changes if necessary. As for the title, I was thinkin about it right now, but I guess saying just "Trivia" is more accessible.

My Warning
Hi Walkazo,

recently GreenDisaster gave me a warning, which so far as memory could serve, was not done by me. I was accused of removing his comment, him proving this by sharing with me the recent changes. However, when I checked the recent changes from a separate link, it was not the case, with someone else removing the comment. I don't want to involve you but GD hasn't replied yet and since I'm down on my last or so warning I want to remove it straight away. Here's a link to all this: Check my talk page (only 1 page long) to see his warning. Hope you can help and thanks, 14:58, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Thank you for your quick answer, much appreciated. I might as well appeal it, I've got nothing to lose. Yes you are right, nothing was intentional but I don't think GD will accept that somehow. First thing tomorrow I will try. Again thanks, 16:40, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Opera Finn
I don't really get why they renamed the page. They could clearly see the title on the box, right? --SmartieMaxx (talk) 21:15, 7 September 2012 (EDT)


 * I can answer this one - or maybe the person already knows, but yet is just ignorant that we are to be consistent with the final titles that Nintendo puts on the game boxes like with New Super Mario Bros. 2. Regardless, Opera Finn is blocked for three months now and has already been notified by Walkazo to cease and decist this nonsense; otherwise, their editing abilities will be revoked permanently. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! User Page | Talk Page 21:19, 7 September 2012 (EDT)


 * Maybe they were misinformed, maybe they simply thought their name was better, or maybe they were just trollin'... Who knows? Who cares? I don't: they were warned, and now they're blocked, so that's the end of that as far as I'm concerned. - Walkazo 21:23, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Help
I'm trying to upload this image with transparency (I did it in GIMP) but even though I upload the right file I still have the blue background from the sprite sheet. And if I try to revert or try again the pics on the revision history are transparent. What should I do?
 * It only looks like the blue is still there: your computer's remembering the older version of the image. Just wait a bit and you'll see that the current version is transparent like the thumbnails in the revision history says it should be. It's already transparent for me (and other viewers), so no worries. - Walkazo 22:39, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Thanks :)

RE: Minor edits policy
Your welcome, and it was a pleasure to be of some assistance. I thought that we needed a complete guideline in our policies, because I have witnessed a few cases where a user was confused about what counts as "Minor". And about the Notice Template policy, I apologise for not getting back to you. It's not that I forgot, but I thought that you would just got ahead with it. But yes, please do. Just let me know when a decision has been made.

18:50, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Thanks
Thanks for aprroveing my username switch. SmartYoshi Is WAY better than Spenzer66.

Help
I keep being banned by Raven Effect for no reason! Please let me create an account! I promise I won't be bad. And I'm NOT sockpuppeting!
 * Creating more than one account is sockpuppeting and that's what you're doing: the administration has tools to prove that you're Snifit 1 and various other accounts, so don't try to deny it. As Snifit 1 you vandalized pages repeatedly, including posting links to a website that gives viruses. That's unacceptable and because of that, you will never be allowed to create an account and edit here again. Your promises man nothing. Give up and go somewhere else. - Walkazo 23:17, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

I am not saying I'm not S1. And you deleted my comment earlier! Thats against the rules! Some admin your are! Check your grammar too. Derpa

Yoshi's Safari Koopalings
Hi.

When you said that the Koopalings were referred to as Bowser's kids in Yoshi's Safari, was this in the Japanese version as well? If it's English or International exclusive, we probably need to reword it again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:18, 21 September 2012 (EDT)


 * I've only found the English box so far, but the whole "mistranslation" argument is flimsy at best, so it shouldn't matter: a fact's a fact. I'd be worth mentioning in the overall Koopaling page, but if you're talking about the seven specific articles, no, we don't have to reword 'em again, because the whole Japanese-vs-English thing is too nitty-gritty for those intros. All that really needs to be said in the specific character pages is that a couple official things called them Bowser's kids, but that the idea wasn't exactly given the spotlight, and now it's apparently been dropped altogether. The details can be saved for Koopalings. - Walkazo 22:31, 21 September 2012 (EDT)


 * Fine, although we'll still need LinkTheLefty to settle this issue. He's pretty well versed in Japanese, so he might be able to settle the issue. They may have been stated as such in the YS Japanese Manual, they may have not, but we really shouldn't presume anything until it is confirmed one way or another, that's why we need the Japanese line. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Yes, but we're not presuming anything. The back of the box of the English version of Yoshi's Safari said they're "Bowser's offspring", which means we can't say "all post-SMB3 games ignore the relationship", just that "most" of them do so, and that's all that's being said on those pages. The language stuff stays on the Koopalings page where it can be properly discussed, and currently, nothing at all has been added about the Yoshi's Safari box anyway: I haven't had time yet, but when I do, I'll say "the English box". I'll still try to find the Japanese box, however: the more info, the better (and I've been studying Japanese in university, so I can actually translate stuff too, and do Google searches in Japanese, and whatnot - LTL's not our only resource for this matter). - Walkazo 22:56, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Maybe, and the Super Mario World promotional materials also hinted in the English version that they were Bowser's Kids, even when the Japanese version does not mention it at all. Anyone can cite the English version as proof. Don't forget, in the English versions of the Sonic franchise, most of the games took place on a planet named Mobius until the release of Sonic Adventure revealed that it was actually a parallel Earth. Unless we have absolute proof about the Koopalings being referred to as Bowser's kids in the Japanese version, we really should not presume that the English versions did a direct translation of the Japanese materials for Yoshi's Safari. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:12, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Again, I did not make any such presumption: I was just talking about the English box, I didn't say anything about it being a translation, nor did bring up the Japanese at all; I also wasn't using it as proof to try and argue they're siblings, just that something other than SMB3 and the cartoons/comics said they were at some point (back in the day). And don't you forget that all official info is equal, regardless of language, media type, or whatever. If there's a discrepancy between the English and the Japanese, that just means that there's a difference between the versions, not that one is wrong and one is right: making calls like that would be presumptuous of us. All we can do is present all the facts, conflicting though they may be; fortunately, the Koopalings page is doing a good job of it so far, and the individual articles have good broad-strokes summaries of their history. - Walkazo 23:32, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

Question
hey walkazo i have a question,it said in the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual states that Birdo is a male who thinks he's a female,is that true? please respond <:D --Zack213 (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Yep, it's true. - Walkazo 22:03, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

ok but still birdo thinks hes a girl in 2012 or not? cause in her page its says that SHE is also playable in the Japanese game Itadaki Street DS, SHE is one of the opponents to defeat in the Japanese game Yakuman DS. i am so confused
 * I don't know about how those games portray her, but the Japan-only Captain Rainbow seemed to stick to the idea that Birdo was not born as a female, yet identifies that as her gender, and to my knowledge, all post-SMB2 English translations simply say she's female without getting into details. The exception to this is SMBB, which calls her "gender indeterminate" and uses the pronoun "it", but that's a rather uncouth take on the matter: the pronoun corresponding to the gender that someones identifies as is what should be used. So either way (whether natural-born or trans), Birdo is a "she", and around the wiki, we simply say she's female (going alone with the current English story), leaving this section to discus the full scope of the matter. - Walkazo 07:19, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

thanks for respondng, i understand now, thank you :D --Zack213 (talk) 18:41, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Question
I have a question, why did you take out the spoiler tabs? I tried to ask Marioguy1 (talk) but he told me to ask you. Please reply on my talk page! Thank you,InvincibleZtar (talk)

Comment
Thanks 4 the reply! I think I get it now. From,InvincibleZtar

Little question
Hi, :) how are you? You blocked my friend, ShellMario, I know why, your act is right. He's banished from Mario wiki? I mean... Blocked forever? Super Candy :3 (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
 * Hi, I'm good. Yes, he's blocked forever: his recent behaviour is not tolerated on the wiki. - Walkazo 20:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

My Bro
Hi dere :I. I was wondering if my brother could make an account. If not, he'll understand ^-^ The Amazing Luigi


 * I guess I'll take no answer as a no. Tadaa!2.gif Amazing LuigiTadaaa!.gif

Sorry
First of all, I apologize for that incident with Master Bowser Jr. I wanted to hopefully anger GreenDisaster (I'm getting steamed at him for being overly aggressive) At the time, I thought he was a patroller, so that's why I talked about patrollers to him.

Second, I think you should also promote YoshiKong. He's made good contributions to the wiki.

Hey, I just want to thank you for unblocking me. Sorry I overreacted a little in the emails. I promise not to create another account. Hamma  Blamma!  (Hammer explosion!)

Delete Pictures
The official Baby Yoshi pictures has come out so i don't need the Green Baby Yoshi picture anymore. And i don't need my 3DS QR Code picture anymore. File:HNI 0060.JPG and File:Green Baby Yoshi.png <--- Can you please delete these? Thank you very much. 10:53, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
 * Done, but next time, just label unwanted images with and someone will delete them sooner or later. - Walkazo 14:34, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

ShellMario
Whose account did he hack into?


 * None of your business. - Walkazo 17:40, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Staff articles
Why are all the staff articles being deleted? I thought the wiki had other articles like them... 18:48, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 * They're still around, just moved to new names as per a new policy. I.e "List of Super Mario Galaxy staff". Hence the deletion logs read "unnecessary redirect". - Walkazo 18:52, 10 November 2012 (EST)

Canonicity
Hey Walkazo. I'm wondering if you could take the time to explain to me exactly what "canon" means, and how stuff is canonical or not. I've read Canonicity and I've had the user explain it to me, but I still don't fully understand it. Banon said that canon means something that "happened", but that seems like a different thing to what the policy is explaining. This isn't an urgent matter, so please reply whenever it suits you. I appreciate the help.

03:55, 11 November 2012 (EST)


 * Different people and websites use "canon" differently, but around here it's simply anything that is officially part of the Mario series and its fictional universe. If something's licensed by Nintendo, it's Mario "canon" and is included on the wiki. The way we use "canon" has nothing to do with whether things all fit into one continuous timeline or whatever, since there are no official statements about this kinda stuff for us to work with, so anything we say would be made-up, and so, non-canon. Release dates and raw subseries divides are all we can really use to organize the articles, and we treat everything as genuine, equal and starring the same characters with no judgement calls about parallel universes, timelines, etc. Other franchises and/or their wikis have more wiggle room about calling things "canon" based on things like media type or even obscurity/strangeness of plot, and there can be different levels of canon. Most fans will come up with their own personal idea of what to accept and what to reject based on one thing or another, but for our wiki, what it or isn't canonical is fairly cut-and-dry. Wikipedia has a pretty comprehensive article on canon (imo) if you want to read more: our wiki goes by the first meaning provided. Hopefully this cleared things up, but if you're still unsure about the concept, let me know and I'll keep trying =) - Walkazo 21:46, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Okay, so to recap it's official stuff recognised by Nintendo. How we order articles through the chronology, like character backgrounds with Baby Mario in Yoshi's Island which is not organized by release dates is non-canon. But what is the canon for Video game references, like if Nintendo isn't involved, we still cover it on some occasions like the Tiny Tower Mario reference. Where's the canon there?

00:23, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * The "Background" sections are used for stuff that inarguably chronologically come before the first appearance's setting. (For an example, see Bowser.) It's not "non-canon", because things like the Yoshi games did officially happen in the past, virtue of the presence of Baby characters, time travel or other plot points; explicit lines of dialogue or exposition, and/or by the setup itself (like Family Album "The Early Years"). What would be non-canon is if you said SMW2:YI was Mario's "true" infancy whereas Family Album isn't "real", or something like that, because that's a judgement call; however, simply presenting both as depictions of Mario's pre-Donkey Kong past in a "Background" section is still obeying the idea of canonicity because the events they depict happened before Donkey Kong: there's no speculation going into that statement. Backstories discussed (or shown as flashbacks) in present-set games can also be put in "Background" sections (i.e. Shadow Queen), since the games themselves state that the stuff happened before their setting: can't get much more canon than that.
 * The reference pages aren't canon at all, they're just references made to Mario, and we talk about them because those references are still relevant to the series and its place in popular culture, even if none of it is actually part of the series. Cameos and references in other Nintendo series (or even stuff like Wreck-It Ralph, which obtained permission from Nintendo to use its property) are often included in sections of character articles as well as the reference pages as well (although it's an admittedly inconsistent effort), and full-on crossovers get full coverage. Things that aren't Mario games or crossovers but which have Mario characters featured prominently in them (or as I said here, making "guest appearances"), like Captain Rainbow or SSX on Tour, get partial coverage: the games get sections on character pages (and whatnot), and the games get articles, but that's it - the levels, places, non-Mario characters, items and everything else don't get pages. Of course, this branch of coverage is a bit muddled and its implementation around the wiki is rather inconsistent, but the "what is canon" answer still boils down to "official Mario games and other media, including crossovers": anything that's not Nintendo-approved is not canon, and anything that is outside the Mario series and part of another series, or stand-alone game, movie, or whatever, is not canon, however it can still be included on the wiki to a certain extent because it's still relevant to the Mario series and its subjects.
 * - Walkazo 14:31, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * - Walkazo 14:31, 12 November 2012 (EST)
 * - Walkazo 14:31, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Oh, I misunderstood the background stuff but I think I have got my head around it now. Non-canon is speculation, not necessarily stuff that has not been officially said, but what we can work out from games. That right? Thanks Walkazo :D

00:25, 13 November 2012 (EST)


 * Argh, triple negatives are hard to follow... I wouldn't use "non-canon" and "speculation" interchangeably if I were you: there's a really subtle difference in connotation there. Essentially, "Canon" is what we're given to work with, and "speculation" is what we can (but shouldn't) do with it (along with legitimate uses like reporting the facts and pulling out unsaid but glaringly obvious thins like "babies = past"). Speculation (the act) at its wildest can lead to "non-canon" constructs (back to a "what"), like timelines, any sort of judgement call (i.e. that places one appearance over another with regards to truthfulness or importance), or totally fan-made histories and alternate character interpretations, at its most extreme. Yes, smaller pieces of speculation are still unofficial ideas, but going so far as to call everything "non-canon" blows it out of proportion, as if it was a large fabricated thing being used as basis for other stuff on the wiki, and not just isolated attempts to make sense or pick extra patterns out of canon details (although, as is helpfully already explained on our latest policy page, only the occasional, straightforward and well-documented pieces of analyses are allowed, with most speculation being removed, even if it is small). I just find that discussions sometimes get hairy when srsbsns terms like "non-canon" get thrown around, so I stick to plain old "speculation" as much as I can. - Walkazo 01:02, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Discussion from archived proposal
Thanks for your reply. I'll make a proposal for Stafy 3 when necessary, and along side that I'll propose a change to MW:Coverage soon (that is, if you weren't planning to take those steps yourself). "Bit part" may be okay, but it may sound strange to some people who don't know the film origin of the word (just saying). Also, I've spotted a minor error in MW:Coverage. In the cameos section, the link which appears as  in the source should be changed to. The section name was likely to have been changed after the link was placed.

23:40, 24 November 2012 (EST)


 * Thanks: the link's been fixed. Come to think of it, my original "Guest Appearance" idea might be better. Looking at the Wikipedia page, it seems to fit the bill after all, and it's not as jargony. Seeing as we already have partial coverage for Captain Rainbow and those two sports games, we don't even need to wait for a Stafy 3 page to try and update the policy - and updating the policy first would make getting a Stafy 3 page a lot easier, since the wiggle room about cameos-vs-guest-appearing will be built-in as solid policy, rather than implied based on what we've already done. I'd kinda like to take a crack at doing the MW:Coverage rewrite, but I'm going to be busy studying for the next week and a half (I have five tests in four days next week), so I can't do anything about it until next Thursday. If you wanna do something in the meantime and give me a shout next Thursday to look it over or whatever, feel free. - Walkazo 21:18, 25 November 2012 (EST)