MarioWiki:Proposals

 http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/17/f_propcopym_9045f2d.png A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code. Signing with the signature code (~) is not allowed due to technical issues.

How To
 * 1) Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
 * 2) Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
 * 3) Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
 * 4) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
 * 5) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
 * 6) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
 * 7) At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
 * 8) " # " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
 * 9) Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
 * 10) All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
 * 11) There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history).

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: , 27 2024 (EST)

Mario Cameos Outside of Mario Games Page
I have recently been reading a lot of online stuff and watching a lot of television stuff. Also I have been playing some non Mario and non Nintendo games seeing Mario and other characters appearances. I think that we should make a page that states the cameos of all the Mario characters in Telivision and other Game Media. Please support me in this.

Proposer Luigibros2 Deadline December 23, 2008, 17:00

Oppose

 * 1) - I oppose for a number of reasons. First, we already have those pages - References, Video game references, Television references, etc. Second, besides those references made by Nintendo, all others are unofficial, and unless they are extremely notable, we don't need to keep track of everything.  References made by other companies and fans are just as unofficial, and they either shouldn't be covered by this wiki or every piece of Mario fan work should also be included.
 * 2) - Per Son of Suns. I don't really think appearances outside of Nintendo franchises can necessarily be considered official, unless permission was given to that party by Nintendo.
 * 3) - Per Son of Suns.
 * 4) - I agree with Son of Suns - how would this be different from references.
 * 5) - Per SoS. We should only allow official stuff published by official people, if you know what i'm saying.

Comments
SOs not fan work there would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much I'm only talking about like the game apperances and T.V.-- 13:09, 16 December 2008 (EST)


 * But what's the difference between a reference in a piece of distributed fan work and a reference in a piece of distributed work made by a non-Nintendo company? Both are unofficial. --
 * The Difference is - You said it yourself - One of reference is in a "Distributed work made by another company", which is more relevant than a random newground flash. I swear this whole "not official guuurrrrrr" hysteria will ends with the Hotel Mario and Mario Bros. Special articles being delete since they're not made by Nintendo and thus are not official (AKA: Nebulously defined criteria used to exclude everything the one who used it doesn't like). -- 15:42, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I thought things were considered official (on this site) as long as they were licensed by Nintendo.


 * Exactly. The difference is those two games were authorized by Nintendo (I believe).  Work by fans and random references by whoever are not necessarily authorized.  Why is a work distributed by another company more relevant than a flash animation?  I'm sure more people know about Super Mario Bros. Z than the "Video Games" song by KJ-52. That piece of fan flash animation has a greater impact on how the Mario series is viewed than some random song by a band no one has heard of.  Plus Super Mario Bros. Z is copyrighted material to Alvin Earthworm and Nintendods Productions.  How is that different than any other company? Fan works are being leaved out of this wiki because they are not considered official, or "nebulously defined criteria used to exclude everything the one who used it doesn't like." --

The one that should go is Publications References, at least the cover part, i mean, its not relevant that Mario appeared in a cover, and we shouldnt be including all the covers Mario appears in, because Mario has appeared like in 100 covers in the Mexican Club Nintendo, and we are not going to include them all, are we?
 * Agree, also wondered about the cover references. There are countless magazine issues all over the world which had Mario on the cover. --Grandy02 09:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Bowser FA Nomination
It has come to my attention that the Featured Article nomination for Bowser is a dreadful mess. Since it's been around for over a year (September 2007!), many of the opposes are out of date or from retired users, which make them very difficult to remove. Although personally I think the Bowser article is too long to be Featured (it needs to be condensed), the FA Nomination page should be deleted and it should be nominated again later (after a bit of revising, of course).

Proposer: Deadline: December 22, 17:00

Support

 * 06:55, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * 1) I see what you're saying. While it's a good article because it contains a LOT of information, it's sorta sloppy. We need to make some big changes before it can be featured, in my opinion. Leirin 15:51, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Oppose

 * I don't know if you noticed it, but at the bottom of the nomination page there's a section "Removal of Oppose Votes". Just put your vote there, along with a reason, and when there's five votes for an oppose vote, it will be removed (provided that it's invalid). For the valid opposes, try contacting the users. No need to delete the page IMO.
 * 1) - I'm sure that people, myself included, would agree to remove a valid oppose if the user who opposed was no longer an active user.  If nothing else, I'm sure some active user would adopt the oppose if it was still valid.
 * 2) - Per Time Q. If you want a vote removed, use the removal system. And if you need users to actually pay attention to it, contact them on their talk page about it &mdash; as long as it's in a neutral manner.
 * 3) - We made the removal system so Proposals like this wouldn't be necessary. Sooo... Per Stooben Rooben (and thus, per Time Q as well).
 * 4) - Eh, I helped make the removal system, so I guess I'll support it. Per all.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) - Per all, if theres already a removal for votes, then why should we just delete the whole page?

Comments
Time Q: Hardly anyone is using those so nothing is getting done and the poor page is stuck in limbo. 08:16, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Stumpers: I wouldn't be so sure, considering that deletion request thing was up there a couple months with no activity. This proposal will probably bring to mind the page, but it was dormant for quite a while. Just my two cents... PS: thanks, Stoobs, for correcting my stupid sig habit. :P
 * No prob, I still do it sometimes too. :P

Uh... am I missing something, or is Leirin's vote not really referring to Daniel's point? 10:01, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * It seems like (s)he's talking about what the article needs to be featured, and not so much what the proposal is actually talking about.

Merge Arwing and Wolfen
Where do I begin with this one? First off, the Arwing and Wolfen aren't Mario related at all (or part of the sub-species). They should be removed all together. But I digress, it is part of the Super Smash Bros. games. However, the Wolfen is VERY obscure. It only barely appears as a platform in the Venom stage of Super Smash Bros. Melee (it is so obsceure that I thought it was just another Arwing). Therefore, I propose that the Wolfen should be put as a sub-article in the Arwing Article.

Proposer: Deadline: December 23, 17:00

Oppose

 * 1) - First, you are ignoring the other functions of Wolfen.  They also shoot fighters in the Corneria stage and is part of Wolf's entrance. Second, even though you don't think they are different, to some users (like me) they are very different subjects and would not make sense to have one as the sub-section of another.  A Wolfen is not a type of Arwing, nor is an Arwing a type of Wolfen.  While Paragoomba would make sense merged as a section of the Goomba article, as they are related species, the same cannot be said for Arwings and Wolfens, as they are not related.
 * 2) - While I would support a motion to merge minor cross-over topics, such as both the Wolfen and Arwing, into series pages (so, "Subjects from Star Fox series" or something), I don't support the merging of specialized cases such as this proposal is advocating.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Correct me if i am wrong, but arn't arwings for  the Star Fox team and wolfens for the Star Wolf team? If so, they are two different "species" even if they look alike. Dooplis and duplighosts look alike and act alkie but they have different persinalitys. This is almost the same case in wolfen and arwing, as they are used by different people.

Comments
"Not Related"? ... Well, they're two kind of spaceships that appears in the same series, they do the exact same thing and appears in the exact same places. Seems pretty related to me. --Blitzwing 17:03, 16 December 2008 (EST)


 * My point is you can't say one is the off-shoot of the other, so how can you merge them under one title (which you could do with all the Goomba sub-species and the Goomba article)? According to the official trophy descriptions, they are two different types of starship. --

Changes
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Miscellaneous
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