User talk:Shokora/Archive 11

New Super Mario Wiki Logo
I've been thinking that the wiki could hold a contest to design a brand new logo for the Super Mario Wiki. It's a new year, and as far as I know, the current logo is the only one to ever be used (again, as far as I know). -- 02:08, 3 January 2017 (EST)


 * We've actually had previously to our current one (I think it was changed about eight years ago). Anyway, it would depend entirely on whether there is enough community interest to change it again. Recently, the banners at Maintenance and Proposals have been redesigned, due to the strong community interest at the wiki's forums (see  and here). So I think that any pitch to change the wiki's logo would require that same involvement. If you wanted to pursue it, then I'd suggest bringing up within the "general discussion" topic on the forum's collaboration board. Because ultimately, the admins wouldn't really organise it without that pre-momentum from the community.  06:04, 3 January 2017 (EST)
 * I'm not really the type of person that can handle building momentum, i.e. I'm not a leader; I nearly didn't do the bestiary proposal. Someone else should head to the forums for this, not me. What were the circumstances around changing the logo the first time? I also came up with a couple of design logos: Imgur (I like the second one more). -- 15:00, 3 January 2017 (EST)


 * I'm not sure on the process of how the last logo was changed, I wasn't even around that far back. Your logos are nice; it would just be a matter of you asking people for their yay/nay opinion on them, and then tending to any suggestions for improvement. And then if there was enough support from other people, then perhaps they would be willing to help you take it further. 07:24, 4 January 2017 (EST)
 * Is it too late to add on The 'Shroom under Discussions Seeking Input that there's an ongoing discussion about the wiki logo?

Not at all! I'll update it once I get home. 20:12, 21 January 2017 (EST)
 * Thank you! It's important that it gets recognition. Right now, almost everyone over there has said they support the mushroom logo design.-- 20:23, 21 January 2017 (EST)

Done. 07:09, 22 January 2017 (EST)

a whatchamacallit term...
Hi. Do you happen to know if there is a term for an easy-to-recognize concept in RPG games? It's this: when the player moves in the field, usually the camera moves as the player does, but sometimes the camera stops moving when the player reaches the edge of a certain kind of region, and if the player crosses the region, the screen turns black and then resumes with the player in the next. (In Partners in Time, the Lakitu cameraman speaks of "rooms", but this doesn't always work. In Bowser's Inside Story, such regions are denoted by rectangles on the map and uncovered one by one.) Does "screen" work, or maybe there is a better word for such "regions"? -- 10:23, 3 January 2017 (EST)


 * I've asked around, and it seems that the smaller, split-up areas within RPG games are appropriately referred to as "chunks". And I think the action of darkening the camera when moving from one chunk to another could just be called a "transition". 07:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)

RE:VBWL
Sure! I wasn't aware at all that you are working on those articles. Sorry for that! Also, what do you think of Horned Toady? Is it written well? --
 * Alright, I listened to your suggestions. Said and done. Thanks! --
 * Also, let me know when you finish your work on VBWL. I am curious too see the results because there's so much content from that game that has missed coverage on the wiki... --

Deletion of Upload Wars (Continued)

 * File:SM3DLogo.png
 * File:CluCluWario.PNG
 * File:Airship NSMBW.png
 * File:Red Ring.png

You never got around to deleting a lot of the file history for these files before archiving the discussion! Also both the edit history and file history of File:Pnp-logo.png need removal of certain edits pertaining to piracy websites. I think it is against policy to link to or reference such locations on the internet. -- 15:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
 * I'm sorry about that! I'll get around to them as soon as I can. 00:24, 5 January 2017 (EST)
 * It's fine. We all forget to do something occasionally. Thanks for getting it done. -- 15:46, 5 January 2017 (EST)

File:SM64 BitDW M25.png - reverted once. -- 18:47, 8 January 2017 (EST)

File:Super Mario 64 Wiggler Boss Nintendo 64.png - Starting to get ridiculous. Also it might be a good idea to remove "hack" images (120+ stars, widescreen hacks, etc.). -- 19:49, 5 February 2017 (EST)

File:BulletBillWii.png - Cumbersome list of revisions, especially by, who was blocked indefinitely from this wiki for trolling (reverted more than tried to make the image better). Delete those revisions along with any other revisions by others. -- 20:05, 6 February 2017 (EST)
 * Seems like there's been an upload war with File:Star.GIF as well. 23:33, 6 February 2017 (EST)


 * Taken care of the above two requests. 23:56, 6 February 2017 (EST)

A few mistakes on Help and Mariowiki pages
There are two pages that have mistakes and I can't edit them because they are protected so only admins can edit so I want you to fix them. In Help:CSS, in the last section it says ''If you want to add comments (text that the CSS won't read), put it inbetween /* and */. '' There should be a space in between inbetween. In Bots, you will find that there should be the letter s after the word email at the end (the second email). 10:00, 5 January 2017 (EST)


 * Thanks for pointing those out! They've been corrected. 08:03, 6 January 2017 (EST)

RE:Shadoo Reversion
Ah, okay. Yeah, explained that pretty well. The section was back in May and wasn't undone since until yesterday. I saw it as a bunch of speculation as none of it is truly confirmed, but there does seem to be a significant amount of backstory to this, doesn't there? Apologies for all the confusion. 12:41, 6 January 2017 (EST)

RE: Super Mario Galaxy game guide
Hey! There's no enemy list in the SMG1 guide (at least for the Premiere Edition; not sure about the Collector's Edition), so I had to look through the levels they appeared in to see if they'd mention "Metallic Goombas" or "Octobeetles". So far, I haven't found any mentions of these two names ( added the "Octobeetle" name; might want to ask him when his block expires), but I did find these:
 * "Watch out for the robot Goombas on the planetoid's surface. Mario can spin to knock these little menaces into the black hole or tip them over with a stomp on the unguarded underbelly to earn a coin." (pg. 83; level is Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor)
 * "These robots wander around a warp pipe. Spin to knock the robots on their backs, then stomp their vulnerable undercarriages." (pg. 268; level is Dreadnought Galaxy)

The Buoy Base Galaxy section doesn't seem to mention them at all. If I do run into any of those two names, or if there are any more levels they're found in that come to mind, I'll let you know.

As for Kingfin, the guide does indeed only refer to it as "the Bonefin" (odd considering the mission is called "Kingfin's Fearsome Waters"). Some references:
 * "When Mario splashes down on the planet, the Bonefin swims into view." (pg. 248)
 * "After Mario lands two hits on the Bonefin, the behemoth calls in reinforcements." (pg. 248)
 * "After landing the fifth hit on Bonefin, the leviathan crumbles and all his skeletal minions disappear." (pg. 249)

Hope this helps! 07:03, 7 January 2017 (EST)


 * Found one of them!
 * "Watch out for the metallic Goombas on the twin discs. They'll try to needle Mario as he explores the area." (pg. 104; level is Battlerock Galaxy)
 * There doesn't seem to be one definitive name for it, as the guide goes back and forth exclusively between names with generic descriptors like "robot" and "metallic". (Also on the same page: "Robotic Goombas wander the discs, complicating Mario's mission.") 08:00, 7 January 2017 (EST)

Congrats!
Hey, congrats on the promotion! I knew you'd be one one day. (Sorry I wasn't there to lend my support!) 17:36, 7 January 2017 (EST)
 * Way to go!-- 17:40, 7 January 2017 (EST)

Thanks, guys! 17:42, 7 January 2017 (EST)
 * I go to see Star Wars and I come back to see you've been promoted! Way to go! I was only gone three hours 18:53, 7 January 2017 (EST)

At first, I thought it was a demotion (wanted, not deserved), but I guess the ranks were different than I thought. The reason the misconception was occurring is that administrators were doing most of the work that regular users or patrollers couldn't do. Rarely did I see a bureaucrat do those things for the time I was active here. Guess order at which it appears here matters. I'm so dumb. Anyways, congrats! -- 01:06, 8 January 2017 (EST)


 * Step 1: Called you Shokoroach for real in the proposal.
 * Step 2: You get sad.
 * Step 3: You get promoted.

Therefore, I shall hereby call you Shokoroach from now to promote your good fortune. ;) 01:19, 8 January 2017 (EST)

Archived Talk Pages Protected
For the proper archival of talk pages, I think that should be looked at and associated pages be edited to use File:Petey Piranha Ground Idle.gif instead. This was all caused by a move and redirect deleted. I can't edit these. -- 01:26, 8 January 2017 (EST)


 * All done. 23:36, 8 January 2017 (EST)
 * Thank you! I didn't expect you to do the edits for user pages though. -- 00:25, 9 January 2017 (EST)

Proposal passed
The proposal I made about creating a template for appeal outcomes has passed, so could you temporarily unprotect the archive pages so that I can apply the necessary changes? P.S.: There's also a template that might will need permanent protection, considering that the feature it was used for was shot down around five-and-a-half years ago. 11:14, 8 January 2017 (EST)


 * I'd prefer to avoid having to protect-unprotect the two archives, so I've just went and did it myself. Also, the Featured Image template has been now protected. Thanks. 20:38, 9 January 2017 (EST)

Wiki Maintenance things
I have some ideas on how to improve the writing on some of the category listings on the Wiki maintenance page, along with some typos I've found:


 * "Articles that are yet to be created will be shown as a red link. New articles must follow the Manual of Style, and may only be created by autoconfirmed users."

The "are" should be changed to "have" and "may" should be changed to "can" (as "may" suggests an option otherwise).


 * "Users who have created stub articles should receive a reminder, so that they can understand how their future articles may be improved."

Should this instead say the following to be clearer?
 * "Users who have created stub articles without marking them as such should receive a reminder, so that they can understand how their future articles may be improved."


 * ''"Articles that are tagged with the template are not fully finished"

The "are" is missing.

I think it should be noted in the "Orphaned Pages" box that a majority of them are disambiguations and don't exactly need a link to them.

That's all I caught right now, but I'll let you know if I find any more. 19:11, 8 January 2017 (EST)


 * Thank you, those are all very good suggestions. They've now been applied. 06:25, 10 January 2017 (EST)

Unlicensed Images is missing a link to its category. Maybe it should be noted that only Autoconfirmed Users can vote in talk page proposals in the Pending discussions section? 13:16, 14 January 2017 (EST)


 * Unlicensed images don't actually have its own maintenance category, hence why that entry just listed categories that unlicensed images wouldn't appear in. Nethertheless, I have noted the exception. The autoconfirmed part has also been added. 17:57, 14 January 2017 (EST)

PMTTYD bestiary help
I'm going through and replacing the enemy templates with the proper code to transclude from the bestiary, but for some reason all the PMTTYD enemy templates are transcluding with  afterwards and I can't seem to find the source of it.-- 15:24, 9 January 2017 (EST)


 * I've had a quick skim through the page's coding, and I didn't spot any issues yet. Perhaps check if the and similar tags are all closed properly? 06:25, 10 January 2017 (EST)

Thanks
Thank you so much, i only created this account about 2 hours ago after being a long time fan of Nintendo and the Super Mario Wiki and was having a bit of trouble with adding things such as text. Now I know what to do and probably wont encounter that problem again.

Thanks again, Alex

What the...?
So I was looking at the bureaucrat list and I see the normal ones, Glowsquid, Walkazo... SHOKORA!? Then I went here and saw that you were promoted 3 days ago. Therefore, even though I'm late compared to some other users, CONGRATULATIONS! 23:44, 10 January 2017 (EST)


 * Why thanks! :) 00:31, 11 January 2017 (EST)

Re: Partners in Time screenshot
Whoops, sorry about that. I guess the answer is yes, according to Wildgoosespeeder. Is it possible to restore the JPG that got replaced? DeSmuME's OpenGL rendering option doesn't play well with my Windows 7 environment. In any case, I'll try Linux soon and maybe I can retake the screenshot free of emulator glitch. -- 05:18, 12 January 2017 (EST)

RE: On issuing warnings
Perhaps I am a bit uptight about how things are run on MarioWiki. I feel this way because I think some things that happen here are too relaxed compared to other Wikis I have edited. Or maybe I am so used to tighter control that it bugs me more than it should and other people get annoyed by my actions. Whatever the case, I am sorry for that though.

I had a feeling I was overusing those templates considering that many of them I issued are getting overturned within the past few months. I thought I understood how to use them and understood policy enough to issue them. The warnings I have been giving were mostly related to images, if I remember right. The overturning records tell a different story though. I started to issue them less frequently with the introduction of. was an example where it was doing more good than issuing warnings. As for templates such as and, I will continue to issue those because they are more instructional than for keeping a track record of performance, unless you feel differently of course.

The last warning I gave at this time, which was for, I thought was more justified than the previous ones I was issuing because I think they were aware I was in the process of archiving. I don't know where the user was coming from where they said it was just a few minutes in between. I saw hours. Oh well, have to let that one go.

Anyways, thanks for confirming with me that I am being too harsh with my warning issuing. I hope that I can improve how to spot real behavioral issues instead of perceived ones. -- 15:30, 12 January 2017 (EST)

I have flooded the recent changes page! >:D
Thanks! Had some spare time today. :) 23:50, 15 January 2017 (EST)

Vandal
It is possible for you to enable "change visibility" in order to remove the vulgar contents?

Okay

Re: iQue
Thanks! I'm thinking about a history section now. Neither the Chinese nor the English Wikipedia has had such a section, but the 52Poké wiki (the Chinese affiliate of Bulbapedia) has a detailed one (from a Pokémon point of view), and I plan to write an abstract of it. By the way, there's actually have a question I've always wanted to ask: if a citation applies to a whole section (instead of just one sentence), where would the best place to put it? -- 06:41, 24 January 2017 (EST)

Passed Proposal
So, the proposal of mine has passed, which means Galleries needs to be updated to reflect the change.

Also, uh, what do I do with the proposal itself now? 19:26, 27 January 2017 (EST)
 * Thanks! 19:45, 27 January 2017 (EST)

Request
Apologies if I messed something up. I'm on mobile.

Hey, my internet is down for the next couple of days, at least til Wednesday. So I'm not able to do any major edits for a while, which includes the layouts of the SM64 levels and missions, until it gets fixed (using my mom's phone at). So, um, make sure no one does my work for me until I get back? Just a heads up. - Alex95


 * Sure, I can keep an eye out for you. Hope to see you around again soon! 02:41, 29 January 2017 (EST)

Proposal Passed, Need Assistance
My proposal passed and I need some assistance modifying Image use policy, but also to reflect a very old but still enforced proposal about prohibiting bad/fan transparency. -- 19:30, 30 January 2017 (EST)


 * Okay, I will update the page with the outcome of your proposal. But I will wait until my image use policy draft is finished to make a "transparency section" (I'd prefer to have it all updated in one go). 20:24, 30 January 2017 (EST)
 * Sounds good to me. Can't wait for the changes to be added. The transparency part should have been included already, at least since 's 2011 proposal passed. At least you can include more to your draft with the image format conversion bit that is now prohibited. -- 20:36, 30 January 2017 (EST)
 * What about cases like File:Paper Mario Japanese logo.png? It seems to involve switching format back and froth. -- 21:30, 30 January 2017 (EST)
 * My proposal already covered such a case. That was uploaded before the proposal. As things are discovered, deal with them on a case by case basis. Just one for now. Either keep or upload the GIF as-is. The proposal was meant more for JPEG to PNG but I decided to do GIF to PNG as well to be consistent. I have seen many sprites and screenshots in static GIF form that need a proper PNG. I'm also guilty of doing GIF to PNG, but I later regretted it. Unfortunately, I can't remember what images I converted from GIF. -- 22:31, 30 January 2017 (EST)

Seeing as how the proposal is in effect, can you restore File:Rocket Start (Mario Kart 8).jpg and delete File:Rocket Start (Mario Kart 8).png? -- 23:02, 30 January 2017 (EST)
 * Upon closer inspection, I see how got the JPEG converted to PNG down to size. Color reduction. My guess is 8-bit color (256 color mode). Now the need to restore the JPEG is much higher. -- 15:01, 31 January 2017 (EST)

I see Image use policy was updated. Just to clarify one point about bullet point 2, might want to indicate that quality doesn't increase after the bloated file size. See my sandbox if you are unsure what I mean. -- 18:01, 31 January 2017 (EST)
 * did it for you. Still looking to resolve restoring that JPEG. -- 19:34, 31 January 2017 (EST)


 * Great! 19:36, 31 January 2017 (EST)


 * I hate to bug you again but is there any reason File:Rocket Start (Mario Kart 8).jpg is not being restored? File:Rocket Start (Mario Kart 8).png has been found to be tampered with to display in 256-color mode and prior was JPEG converted to PNG. -- 19:32, 2 February 2017 (EST)


 * Sorry, that slipped my mind. 19:36, 2 February 2017 (EST)


 * Thank you. I thought something was wrong. -- 19:37, 2 February 2017 (EST)


 * Oh, I was just looking for the restore. Didn't know you would edit the pages as well. I would have just tagged the PNG with and any sysop could have gotten to it later. Thanks again. -- 15:53, 3 February 2017 (EST)

upscaled screenshots
The image use policy favors actual hardware resolution to upscaled screenshots. Does this "upscaled" include HD renderings like File:FlowerFieldsPM.PNG, or is it just for consoles like NES, GBA and Nintendo DS where things will be pixelated if upscaled? -- 10:38, 7 February 2017 (EST)