Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 1

Hammer Bro. Rumour
PeteyPiranhaLover 21:45, 25 July 2006 (EDT) Who hopes that the rumours are true about Hammer Bro. appearing in Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

Not me, I don't want any generic enemies (Koopas, Goombas, Shy Guys) to be playable. Being in the background of stages or being trophies would be fine thought. -- Sir Grodus

I don't think a Hammer Brother has the potential to be a traditional character, but if there was some knid of new thingy for characters without a lot of moves, it'd be great. The main things I'm hoping for are Wario with pre-Wario Ware costume (Yellow shirt and purple overalls) and Geno. CrossEyed7 00:43, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Ahem. H K

Mr. Game & Watch
Mr. Game & Watch is not really a true Marioverse character. He was in his own franchise long before anyone even heard of Mario. The recent Game & Watch series are more like cross-overs or updates of the classic Game & Watch games. Mario characters and Mr. Game & Watch don't even interact in the new games. As such, I think Mr. Game & Watch should be treated as a non-Mario first party character. -- Son of Suns

Okay, makes sense. H K

I hate to be mean, but you're wrong on two counts. First, Mario and Game & Watch run the secrets section in Game & Watch Gallery 4 together. Secondly, just because he's not a Mario character doesn't make him a 3rd party character. It would make him like a character from the Kid Icarus series. I would argue that since the only games he's actually appeared in have been Super Smash Bros. Melee and Game & Watch Gallery 4]], he is actually a Mario character anyway, but that's a different arguement. 18:00, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

Smash Bros Wiki
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Advertising, I beleive. I'll have a warning issued. H K
 * sorry --It's-a me, Smeedel. / Talk - Contribs - You 19:12, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

Rumoured Characters
I think that the section on rumoured characters should be removed because it's not very encyclopedia-like. Half of the characters there don't even have a good chance of getting in, like Gooper Blooper. The whole thing is too fanboyish. 13-Volt 15:09, 17 December 2006 (EST)


 * I agree. Remove at will. -- Son of Suns

Graphics
Why do you think the graphics are so all-stiffed up in the SSB games, but not in the other? 08:25, 23 February 2007 (EST)

please use the Forum for that. I don't know. Max2
 * Whoa. Did I just use the word "stiffed"? 14:46, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Returning Characters
Should we really have this, its not much better than rumoured characters as its still very opinionated. I mean, it even has speculation in the title. -- Sir Grodus

Release Date Unreliable and Highly Unlikely
Super Smash Bros. Brawl is not coming out on June 1, 2007. GameStop is a highly unreliable source, and they needed a date to put in their database. No announcement concerning release has been made. -- hisak

Thanks for the info. :)

Update
They say the update's today! But it's not! I'm having a meltdown!!!


 * Obviously, it's referring to Japanese Time, as it is written just on the site. A new day has just started in Japan, and it's May 22nd there. You will still have to wait... - Cobold

Regarding Stage Design
Do the stages look a little simplistic to anyone? They don't seem to be anything more than a couple of platforms on a backdrop inspired by a game to me. I mean, Yoshi's Island looks good, but it's just a couple of platforms, too. So, the question I have is, are these the final stages? I hope they know what they're doing. 13:51, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

2 stages do. What about Delphino Plaza and Lylat Cruise?

I would say take it to teh forums, but...

I'm, pretty sure the stages will be changed in production. They haven't thought out the full design of the stage yet and they're just feeding to the press and fans to keep them quiet. But like the dramatic change that happened to SMRPG2 (now known as Paper Mario), I'm sure stages will go under dramatic changes too (for the better or the worse). 14:01, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, it would have probably been better on the forums. Oops. Heh, well, that's good to know. Thank you! 17:14, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Looking at Bridge of Eldin and Smashville now, the action seems to be in the background of the stage. Most stages are simplistic. I hope there's still some stage like Onett in Brawl, with actual gameplay characteristics. - 17:37, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

I could see it really hurting the gameplay if the action was removed from the stage in favor of a few simplistic platforms... oh, well. Fingers crossed.

Release Date?
Is this Release Date accurate? I haven't seen any date for SSBB's release yet. So, did you just make it up, or is it official? Same thing with Super Mario Galaxy

I've only seen confirmation for 2007, I don't know where this came from.

Frum LANKY KONG!

I fixed it anyway, so never mind.

Zelda?
Since Zelda is comin back doesn't that meen the Sheik will to some 1 please anser this cause i really wanna kno. King Mario

Not exactly. Zelda might get a new attack, and Sheik has not made another appearance since Super Smash Bros. Melee, which was in 2001. So, it is sort of a 50-50% Chance.
 * Yeah. Zelda has taken on a new, revised look from newer games, and Sheik would need to be reinvented to fit the style. - 04:48, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Not really. Just because Zelda got a new design, doesn't mean Sheik has to get one. After all, Sheik hasn't made another appearance since Melee, so what design are they going to base her new appearace on? So, if she appears, she will most likely look the exact same.
 * And Zelda having a different hair color than Sheik then? No way, this doesn't make sense. They cannot update half a character. I guess in this case we have to wait and see, no point arguing about possibilities. - 05:11, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Good point.
 * Sheik will not be coming back. Remember the Zelda in Melee was the one from Ocarina of Time. The one in Brawl will be the one from Twilight Princess. And since Sheik was not in Twilight Princess he won't be in SSBB.
 * Apart from that Sheik is female, that are my thoughts. But what's the point in arguing? - 13:57, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Hold on, Sheik is male, isn't he? 13:58, 29 June 2007 (EDT) "Despite Sheik's male appearance, Sheik is indeed a female."Taken from the Sheik article. Also check the trophy descriptions. - 14:05, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Sorry that was a typo. But technically Zelda is taking form of a male Sheikah so Sheik would a male.
 * Not to sound harsh, but I didn't decide. Blame Nintendo. - 14:18, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

What's a typo? 14:24, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * A typo is a spelling error, and please, let us stop arguing over this. First, we argue about wether or not she is in the game, then we argue about wether or not she in Male, this whole argument is pointless. Let's just wait until the game is released, which will be this year.

POTENTIAL TWILIGHT PRINCESS SPOILER BELOW! I haven't beaten TP yet, but I did see a piece of artwork that looked like a Twilight-ified version of Zelda. Maybe that's going to be Sheik's replacement. Or maybe a grown up Tetra.


 * Go ahead and finish the game. Things are really quite different. You're meant to be misleaded. - 10:46, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

END SPOILER

Just Curious...
Does anyone know what stage is in the background of the image I posted? Could it possibly be the Hyrule Castle/Temple? 13:34, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * It's that what's listed as "castle of unknown origin" in the stages list. Because there is so little information about it yet, I decided not to create an article already. Hyrule Castle would be possible, though it didn't look exactly like that in Zelda TP. - 13:37, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

It looks more Fire Emblemish to me. 13:51, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
 * We don't know what series it is from, so we are leaving it.

Gallery / Images
This page has way too much images at the bottom. The galleries have an incredible size, which will only increase when the game comes nearer. The SSBM article has the characters' gallery implemented into the character section. Of course, it's hard to create something like a character bios right now, but at least the items, stages and Others need some fixing. Images should be either removed or placed into the actual article.

At a thought, he will also have to remove a lot of unuseful galleries at minor SSBB topics. - 17:11, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Also, why do each stage/item article have 3-5 image each? Maybe we should cut it at one, maybe two images per article. 22:20, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

I agree with that, having galleries of three-four images is kinda unneeded when one would do just as well. -- Sir Grodus

Zero Suit
Is she her own character?----
 * It's not like you can select her on the character selection screen or switch freely like Zelda & Sheik. When you use Samus's Zero Laser Final Smash, she will change to the Zero Suit, and stay that way for the remaining battle. - 06:12, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Sonic the Hedgehog
Is sonic really going to be in the game?Cause I heard rumors going around that sonic won't be in the game is that true?

"Not on the cards at the moment" isn't a solid answer. -- Sir Grodus

So you're saying that there's a possibility that he might be in Brawl?

Unless stated outright by SEGA or whoevers making the game that he isn't going to be in it, I guess theres still a chance. A vague response isn't really a complete answer. -- Sir Grodus

Well,I hope he makes it in Brawl, but if not I'll sue SEGA!

There is a large chance of Sonic getting in. Why else do you think Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games was made. Additionally, if he IS in the game, the producers might say he isn't in the game to trick us. You never know with Nintendo, they like to build up suspense for a game.

Stage Table
Should we do a table for the Stages as well?
 * We could go with it, but the problem is that we do not have official artwork for all revealed stages, and inconsistency in the pictures might look bad. Same for items. That's also why I have not included pictures of both in the SSBM article. But if you still feel it would be good to create them, go ahead. - 04:43, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I think we have official art for all the Items. Or at least Screenshots, screenshots will work fine. Stage, yeah, I guess that would be a problem.

Faces in the Clouds?
This look notable to anyone, they changed the color of the cloud's darkened parts and look what resulted: Of course, I think it may be fake, though I compared images, and it does look very convincing. -- Sir Grodus

They've got what looks like (left to right) Ganondorf, Master Hand, Bowser and Ridley, or something similar to him; and now that I compare again, I'm becoming more convinced this isn't a fraud. -- Sir Grodus

Don't worry, we can't assume anything yet. We'll just have to wait for the game to come out. 17:17, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, but it is pretty interesting and I just thought I'd point this out, though, now that I think about it, maybe the forum would have been a better place. -- Sir Grodus
 * I don't think we have to wait for the game to be released. Are you thinking this is the only update of that sorts? Also, it would logically make sense, as with Meta Knight they would have all villains of the game. Still, it would not be good to add that speculation to the article. - 05:14, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
 * Agreed.

Agreed. -- Sir Grodus, who finds it weird how they used Meta Knight instead of King Dedede.

Animal Crossing
Actually for KK Slider, that could be the way to unlock him.----
 * What are you talking about? It is also very unlikely that a character from the background of a stage is playable. - 14:13, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
 * ...or is it?! You never know.  He is the best choice from Animal Crossing (he's the most identifiable with the series, followed by Tom Nook and Resetti)  10:25, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Sonic
It says in the article that they anounced Sonic for the game. Do we have proof?-- 12:03, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I have seen no truly reliable source yet. If I don't find anyone soon, I think the section will have to go again. - 14:13, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Some Melee characters won't see Brawl?
Where was it stated by an OFFICIAL and RELIABLE source that some characters from Super Smash Bros. Melee wouldn't return for Super Smash Bros. Brawl? There's been speculation for this, but when did Nintendo actually state this? -Dodester
 * I saw a source on Wikipedia, they were quoting some staff member's blog. But apparently, it is removed there now, so I, who added that to the article, am also starting to wonder whether it's true. - 16:55, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
 * I find Wikipedia to be a lot less reliable on anything than specific Wikis; due to the whole "ANYONE can edit" thing. But, since there's no source we can find right now, should we just delete that bit?

Ummm... sure? 17:29, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

The guy creating the game, Sakurai, said some Melee characters won't be returning in his old blog journal thing. -- Sir Grodus
 * ...Link? -Dodoman

I probably won't be able to find it; regardless, its in Japanese. -- Sir Grodus

It's simple. Walaa happy? lol

I'm pretty sure it wasn't on the site and was somewhere else; its also pretty old. -- Sir Grodus

Yeah, I remember it too. 22:42, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm thinking it was on the site. I'm guessing though, that he was referring to people like Marth, Roy, and Sheik. In other words, characters who were only in one game.

Emblems on Stages
On the Stages section, shouldn't we add the Emblems to them? We did it to the Characters Section, so why not the Stages?

That could happen. Go for it DP. 14:14, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Forget it, Cobold removed the Emblems, and added them to the Infobox. It looks neater this way, so, forget about it.

Unlockables Not Going To Be Mentioned in Updates
I've heard that Masahiro said in an interview that he was not going to reveal any new unlockable characters in one of his interview preceding the week he started updating smashbros. Could someone confirm this if this is true? And also, could it mean that Ike isn't an unlockable? 14:19, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Maybe, sorry, I can't help you with that. But, that could mean Ike isn't unlockable. We will have to wait and see. You Americans only have to wait another 4 or 5 Months. I have to wait til next year.
 * I'm confused wiht that :P DP: Sorry to hear that :(
 * Sorry to hear what?

Maybe thats why Snake has not been posted in the official site. Javier12345
 * DP: Sorry to hear that Brawl won't be released for a while in Au. Javier: You're probably right.
 * What about Meta Knight thought? This mean he unlockable too? Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!
 * Jorge, remember, the updates haven't finished yet. Meta Knight might just be around the corner. AND, he has been seen in screenshots on that site. Just because he hasn't been confirmed YET, doesn't mean he won't ever.

Ganondorf and Sheik
Theres apparently been an information leak:. -- Sir Grodus
 * Is this 100% true?

Well, anyone know if Game Informer and Go Nintendo are acurate? -- Sir Grodus
 * Never heard of that sites. In my eyes it's still very unlikely that Sheik will return. - 05:36, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * GameInformer is a very real and very legitimate and credible magazine. I would definitely believe it.  00:45, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * It may be legitimate in that it's a print source, but haven't there been lots of errors made, like on release dates and specifics? Plus, just because someone claims to have submitted a design, it doesn't mean the character will be in the final cut.  Remember how Super Mario 64 was meant to have Luigi?  I'll bet that Nintendo had its designers create a 3D model, etc. for him, but he still didn't get in the game.

I don't remember anyone ever saying Luigi was going to be in Super Mario 64... -- Sir Grodus

Peach
Peach is now confimed in Brawl check out the website smashbros.com U'll se her next 2 Zelda and Kirby in a pic.

User:King Mario
 * And?
 * We'll have to wait for an image which shows her alone to add it to the table. Her name is already there. - 13:32, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Its not confirmed shes playable either.
 * I have already argued on this. She is playable. If you want to argue whether one and one is two without your maths book saying so, what would you do? Peach's the most likely character to return who hasn't been revealed yet, she is shown acting playable among other playable characters. Oh my, Captain Obvious, help me! - 13:35, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Cobold, that was very rude. You've made your point, Peach is playable, OK, fine, we know that now. I just wanted to wait til we had official art of her before adding her, that is all.

Sonic Logo Hidden in Brawl Screenshot
Alright guys, I was going to put this on the page but I'll check it with you guys first. This is link to a screenshot from Brawl recently put on the Smash Bros Dojo website. It's a picture of Zero Suit Samus in a room full of moniters. Now the image below this text was posted on The Wiire boards by Shawn White, senior editor of The Wiire, a popular website about the Wii (probably the best for news). He zoomed in on and sharpened one of the smaller screens: http://www.nintencast.com/screenshots/sonicinbrawl.jpg

It clearly shows the Sonic logo. I believe Shawn, I don't think he edited the logo in. If anyone else wants to zoom in and sharpen it to see if it's really there be my guest.

Sakurai is very sneaky ;) 00:55, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm. Oh wow. How legit..... I checked it in Paint, Photoshop, image viewer, I compared with the original......
 * I don't think we should add this. For all we know, it could be fake.
 * So it's real? The Sonic logo is really there? I'll put something on the page then (or someone should [or we could all decide]). 01:19, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Pokemon DP, Shawn White is a very trustworthy guy, he reports facts on The Wiire, I don't think he wouyld decide to lie about this all of a sudden. Besides, even in the original small screenshot you can kinda make it out. 01:19, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * But, this just SCREAMS speculation. How do we know if it is Sonic or not? Just keep it out, OK. Wait for the game to be released.
 * Well no one said this means Sonic is in Brawl, I'm just saying that, for a fact, the Sonic Logo is there. Hey, maybe they decided to put it there for no reason, see if people find it, get their hopes up and disappoint them when no Sonic characters, items, stages, or Assist trophies are in Brawl. That would made perfect sense. 01:28, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * That doesn't sound like Nintendo. I'd be devastated if that happened. But, seriously, don't put this Image up. It is very speculative.
 * That sounds very much like Nintendo, DP
 * Just wait until Dojo confirms it, if so. It could a cameo for all we know. 01:43, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

There's a whole section on this page for speculated characters, DP. I'm at least putting a note of it there. 02:05, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Kay-O. Now, THAT'S OK, but putting the Image up would've been excessive. Kay-O, go ahead.
 * I don't think he intended to put up the image and make big deal out of it. >,>
 * Now that's cool. This definitely means that Sonic will be in Brawl, whether he is a cameo or a playable character. But again, it wouldn't hurt to at least link the image as a source when adding that info. 12:48, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
 * that image was long proven to be a shopped fake made by a YTMND member. it's not real. (Tirkaro 21:03, 6 August 2007 (EDT))
 * He's right. I looked at the REAL Image close up, this one's a phony.

Can Toad be in Brawl?
I hear he was one of the most requested characters. javier12345

This sounds like something to discuss on the forum. -- Sir Grodus

Actually, I think in this case we can make an exception. There has been some curiosity as to Princess Peach's moveset ever since the release of Super Princess Peach. The thought is that she may have some of her attacks modified. We've seen from the opening movie segment that she kept her umbrella move, but I don't see why her Toad attack couldn't be altered, especially if Sakuri wished to make Toad playable.

Snake's symbol?
Why does Snake has no symbol? Javier12345
 * It has not yet been revealed by the official website. We will have to wait until his profile gets up. - 16:59, 5 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Which might be never. He may be unlockable, and I don't think the site will put up Unlockable characters.
 * Uh... I have found his symbol, along with some others, but, it doesn't match with the rest. Here it is. Tell me what I should do, upload it, or forget it.
 * We're probably going to get one from the main website soon enough, but you could probably use that for now if you really wanted to.

Should we add the Metal Gear stage?
I found these images of Snake's stage. Could we add this to the article?

Screenshot from old Dojo site Image from Nintendo World trailer Another image from Nintendo World trailer

— NES Boy 19:54, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

I would if I were you. I know that the Nintendo Database calls that place Alaska, if you need a name. I know we have all this nice, organized information coming at us from the source from Smash Bros. Dojo, but that isn't the only source we can use (heck, we're a Wiki, so we can use anything trustworthy).

Chracter Sections
As it stands we have a gallery of character images, and then many paragraphs below all of them that talk about all of the characters at once. Would it make more sense to give each character his or her own section, and include all of his or her information, including redesigns, etc.? I think it would make for a more accessible encyclopidia experience.