Talk:Dimentio

Add his Appearance
Can someone add his appearance?

Incorrect naming
In the guide, it says his name is "Dimentio" not "Dementio." :) UrsulaBoi 19:47, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing that out. Next time you can just move the page yourself, OK?
 * Pssh, as if I know how to do that. :p UrsulaBoi 20:12, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

just click on "Move"

Yes, there's a tab at the top of the page that says "Move". Click on that, then type in the correct name.

One time I kinda messed his name up on paper Mario the first time and everything kills me. I almost messed it up on my paper Mario game a few game overs. ( barely enough space to spell Dimentio ) Dimentiofan25

Super Dimentio
anyone have a pic of it???

Me

hey if you have a pic, upload it.

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Pronunciation
Is his nmae pronounced Dimen-sho or Dimen-teeo

I don't think that has been revealed. -- Sir Grodus

I always thought it was Dimen-shee-o, like how one would pronounce "dimension".

Heck yknow what I used all the ones mentioned above once! But I ussualy used Dimen"tee"o Dundas502

I'm pretty sure that his name is pronounced "Dim-en-tee-oh", because when he introduced himself to Bowser, he responded with "Dimenti-WHO?"

-SolarBlaze

I always pronunounced it "Dimen-toe" Megabowser 11:21, 5 March 2010 (EST)

It's Dim-en-tee-o, got it? Yeesh, they let anyone on wikis now, huh? It's Dimen-chee-oh it's a pun for dimension okay? Dimentiofan25

More Pics!
Could anybody get screenshots of: If you have these or any other Dimentio pics, could you e-mail them to me at "irishladdie727@aol.com"? I think this page could use more pictures. User:Irishladdie727
 * Dimentio at a meeting of Bleck's Minions.
 * Dimentio fighting Mario in "Dimension D".
 * Dimentio stealing the Chaos Heart.
 * Dimentio killing Mr. L.


 * Or they could just add them themselves.--Dreyfus2006 20:39, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

that too, of course

I got some of the pics. If you need any specific SPM screenshots, go on Youtube and pause at the picture you want. Then right click, print the picture, and scan it. User:Irishladdie727]
 * But it comes out really blurry and bad...

I'd like to see a pic of Dimentio brainwashing Mario. TheGreatBlockyBoo 18:42, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

The Youtube pics do end up a little blurry sometimes, but they look ok as thumbs. There are very few official screenshots, and this is the most efficient way I've discovered to get the pics you want. If your pic looks really blurry, just shrink it down until it looks good to you. If it's small, and still blurry, you may have chosen a bad video to get a pic of. User:Irishladdie727

For example, the picture of King Sammer that I added is from YouTube.--Dreyfus2006 18:26, 7 June 2007 (EDT) I kinda do but I have to wait okay? Dimentiofan25

Dark...Something?
Um... I know it is backed up by facts or something but...  Well, the thing about the Dark whatever (not Prognosticus, the thing about Mario being the Light is what I'm talking about) seems sort of...I don't know what the word is for it. But wouldn't Wario be Mario's dark side? Sure, for light there must be darkness. But the darkness shouldn't be different than the light; take Flipside and Flopside, for example. If darkness could be different, then Dark World could have been Flipside's dark side. And... Well, there was something else, but I forget what. I hope I'm making myself clear, I don't want to sound control-freak or anything... I'm afraid I'm sounding a bit incorrect or something here... Sorry to whoever wrote it, I can definitely tell that they thought it through and are genuinely certain.--Dreyfus2006 20:46, 2 June 2007 (EDT)


 * I think the Paper Mario series isn't related to the main Mario series, i.e., Wario. 12:01, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Except in the case of Bowser's demise, that seems to have leaked through to Luigi's Mansion.

I don't know, I just kind of wanted a clear cut reason for Dimentio to return (he's kind of awesome), and I found one. I wasn't saying he is destined to be Mario's enemy, I'm just saying he could come back. However, I do think that Paper Mario is connected to other Mario games. Sort of, because there isn't much continuity between any of the Mario games. But the star spirits, whackas, the Paper Mario version of Bowser's castle, and Goomboss have all appeared in non-paper games. And Super Paper Mario introduced "the aftergame", which is where Mario characters go after they get a "game over" (death). I have a feeling that we may be seeing this again as well. User:Irishladdie727


 * Do not forget Mowz and the Star Rod. Silent but deadly! SuperLuigi821 You lost everything. Way to go genious.

In the article it says that Dimentio's fate has yet to be revealed. How has his fate not been revealed? The dude exploded and sunk into the ground and then his power left behind got wiped out along with the Chaos Heart by Bleck and Tipi's vows. What more proof do you need? Also, the sentences about him taking away Queen Jaydes power seems random and doesn't make sense. So does the whole Flipside and Flopside comparison. I think Dimentio was a one time villain; just like Cackletta, Grodus, the Shadow Queen, the Shroobs. They all appear in one game and get destroyed. Out of any of the villains that could return; it would be Grodus because his head is still alive. But he hasn't returned and probably will never because their all meant to be one-time villains. Just because Dimentio is the dark one doesn't mean he can't be destroyed. In fact the light prognosticus states that the dark one must be destroyed to save existance. So it obvious that Dimentio has been destroyed. That has been stated in the game and it gave absolutly no indication that Dimentio could be alive. Unless Miyamoto or any of the other designers say that he could still be alive; we have to conclude he's not. I just think the whole "Dark One" section is just speculation. We should change it a bit.-Darknessofheart

You didn't just change it a bit, you deleted it completely and replaced it with something three times as long that just reiterates everything the aricle already says. We have "encounters with Mario and Co." and then "Dimentio's plans", the second one just being the first one from a different point of view. I'll change it back, but remove the part about possible return, because people have been getting so picky about that. Next time, try to incorporate other's work into your own. -Irishladdie727

Not all of those guys are one time villians- there are Shroobs you can fight in Bowser Castle and one was watching the Fawful show.

Trivia
The Trivia section of this article is exploding. The content should be either implemented in the main article or be removed. - 16:01, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

An end to the madness!
I know that SPM just came out and that Dimentio is the cooliest villain ever. But the sheer amount of unnecessary edits on this page is astounding. I'm guilty myself, but so are many others. The Trivia section is a good example. While there may be a lot to say about the demented jester, there have been so many random observations that the trivia section got to be longer than most articles. Discuss major edits please, and make sure that people actually agree with them first. This is a community, and if we want to make an awesome article, we have to work together and give feedback, instead of everyone putting two cents in just to feel like they did something.


 * This is sorta irrelevent to the discussion, but I just have been dying to say that Mimi could kick Dimentio's bottom ten million times. Carry on. (though personally, I'd say that his actions should be logged chapter by chapter; there was very little reference to his appearance in the Bitlands last time I checked)--Dreyfus2006 22:40, 10 June 2007 (EDT)


 * ...Ok we do have to discuss about merges but...about Trivia and stuff? Too far... Click here to see the universe. SuperLuigi821 Oh you let the hat out of the bag, Big Top!

What we need to do is to remove un-notable trivia. I'll open up a voting booth. At this time, please don't add anymore trivia. Ends on the 6/17/07. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Keep

 * 1) I think this is hardly notable, but is good enough to stay. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Remove

 * 1) Looks to me like a simple description of him, which we could put into some kind of a Physical Appearance section rather than randomly throwing it into Trivia.

===Dimentio's face is a Comedy Mask. The Comedy Mask is a classical theatrical mask used in plays. The Comedy Mask and its counterpart, the Tragedy Mask, are used as symbols of theater, and are often worn by jesters and magicians at the circus and other celebrations.===

Keep

 * 1) I propose we keep it, but it would make more sense to merge this trivia with the one above. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) I agree with knife, though I think it should be shortened down a bit... Make it more like, "Dimentio's design is based off of jesters and theater actors" or something.--Dreyfus2006 14:18, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 3) I think we should keep this and keep it unchanged; it strikes me as interesting.
 * 4) I have seen pictures of Dimentio's "true face" some show him with white hair,while others show him with eyes that match his color schem: one purple& one yellow. keep it.

Remove
===Dimentio's character design resembles a stylized version of the Jesters from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. He also closely resembles Harley Quin, another jester character from the game Wario's Woods, and Super Dimentio's spinning cape imitates that of Harley.===

Keep

 * 1) ...to some extent, anyway. The Jester part is notable; the latter part is just...  I dunno.--Dreyfus2006 14:19, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) I say we keep it all; it's interesting to note and both characters do look quite a bit like Dimentio.

Remove

 * 1) I thought we already covered jesters above. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

===It is possible that his "acquaintance" he mentions twice in Chapter 5 could have been King Croacus, for Croacus used Floro Sprouts to control the Cragnons, and Dimentio happened to get two of them.===

Remove

 * 1) Too ambiguous to be considered trivia. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) Also completely obvious. Its not a "fun fact" if people can figure it out for themselves.
 * 3) Perhaps we could state this in-article, but it doesn't make much sense as a Trivia entry.

===Mysteriously, Tippi seems to have known Dimentio before the events of Super Paper Mario. She recognizes him immediately on their first encounter in the game, during the dialog shortly before Mario battles Fracktail.===

Keep

 * 1) I think this is interesting to be mentioned. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) Agreed, and the game never continues to explain why, leading to an unsolved mystery to confuse us all. ^_^--Dreyfus2006 14:21, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 3) Very, VERY interesting. I think this should be kept; it's the ideal Trivia entry.

Remove
===It is implied that Dimentio has his own brand of perfume, called "Demented, by Dimentio". He offers Mario a signed bottle of it in Chapter 8-4, listing it among other bribes to persuade him to help fight Count Bleck.===

Keep

 * 1) Also think this is barely notable, but notable enough to stay. 13:10, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) Same here, considering an "Implied" article is made for it.--Dreyfus2006 14:21, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * 3) This one feels more akin to trivia other character pages have. I say keep it.
 * 4) Perhaps we could merge this with something in-article, but it's a good Trivia entry now.
 * 5) Actually, he offers it in Chapter 8-3, but I say we keep it anyway.

This article is a little over the top
This article seems to be a shrine for praising Dimentio as a villain. Almost every section includes at least one mention at how evil, violent, cruel, merciless, powerful, and cunning he is. Dimentio is an awesome character and villain, but this article sounds badly written. It even goes as far as saying he's a merciless monster. That's speculation; Ex; someone might think he's merciless for attempting to wipe out all worlds, but some might consider him merciful for not killing Bleck and Tipi right away and instead traps them in Dimension D. It's all opinion in that sense and that doesn't belong here. Also, and I mean no offense, but this article doesn't even hide the fact that people are praising him. This article sounds like a bunch of obsessed fans that worship this guy wrote it. You can say that Dimentio is more evil than some of the other villains, but lets just tone it down a little. There are way too many mentions at how evil Dimentio is and a lot are just speculation or opinions.

Wow, that paragraph had everything except a signature. Anyway, I think you're right. The article needs to be neutralized. 22:32, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

You also forgot in the article that he used Dimension D to power up a tough guy that also named himself O Cabbage.(Super F22 Pilot 23:59, 29 November 2007 (EST))

On the act before Luigi Battles Dimentio the last time what if you picked help Dimentio fight side by side which is yes? Game Over?(Super F22 Pilot 05:07, 20 December 2007 (EST))

Actually, Super F22 Pilot, saying yes actually does result in Game Over! Good job, Sherlock.

Trivia Advice
All right, the trivia section has finally been shortened to only include the essential information; there was a lot of garbage in that section. I think the section is perfect now, but some might want to add more. If someone wants to add something, please just discuss it on this page. Stuff like Dimentio having a perfume brand, which I think Dimentio was just lying about, is not important enough to be included as you can play through the whole game without even going through that scene unless you refuse his offer three times. Make sure that the information hasn't been stated in the article previously and isn't too long or long at all with unnecessary wording. Like I said before, I think the section is fine the way it is now, but you never know. Thanks. -Darknessofheart

Game Over. 12:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Future?
Dimentios ability to warp and the fact that when he seemed to murder the horoes they did not turn into Shaydes might man he could escape from the Underwhere. Posibly. Should this be put?

Whoa, no offense man but you really need to to check your spelling and grammer. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. Also, why is the headline "Future", the topic has nothing to do with what you're trying to say. Last, it would be utter speculation. I can't understand that paragraph above, so I'm going by what you put in the article. It was speculation and was also in a random place in the article. -Darknessofheart

Could Dimentio Be the Pixl Queen?
If you talk the Carson in the bar in Flopside and if you pay him enough he says that there was a first pixl the queen. Now in the game it never says that if Dimentio is a boy or girl its just him making it possible that Dimentio might be a she. The man also said the Pixl Queen had been forced to study the Dark Prognosticus he had also said the the pixl queen wanted to take over the world similar to Dimentio current goal throughout the game and also being old may had gained intelligence while she aged. If Dimentio (who might be queen) had studied the Dark Prognosticushe knew what was happening next that could be a reason how she knew everything. Dimentio even proposed to Count Bleck to be part of his team because he was meant to be in it now how did Dimentio know this? Also Carson Bar owner of Flopside said that Dimentio might've created the Dark Prognosticus and the Dark Prognosticus is very old and so is the story of the Pixl Queen another reason! Many reasons why Dimentio might be the Pixl Queen. Dundas502 NOTE:THIS IS ONLY AN OBSERVATION NOT A FACT Thanks for the people who are responding to my theory to compare and stuff

Dimentio is clearly a guy. Tippi describes him as a he when you tattle Super Dimentio and the minions also refer to Dimentio as a he numerous times. I'm a little confused how the game saying him would still make it possible for Dimentio to be a she. The game never specifies if any character is male or female, it's just obvious what they are based on their appearances. Bleck looks male as does O'Chuncks and Dimentio looks male as well. This theory is a very interesting one, but it can't be put into the article because it's pure speculation. Very good theory though.-Darknessofheart

I doubt sex matters. Look at Birdo. Or Bowletta - is s/he male or female? Just because Dimentio is male and the Pixl Queen is female doesn't mean they automatically couldn't be the same. The Pixl Queen could have very easily become male, especially since this game features an interdimensional Void that threatened to destory everything. Surely changing your sex wouldn't be very difficult compared to that.

But yeah, this seems like speculation, so it's probably best not put in the article. --

Wait, it couldn't be Dimentio because it says the Queen was forced to read the Prognosticus and Dimentio would be forced to read it by just making it. And he wouldn't need to be forced-he's that crazy.

Nope I am pretty sure the Shadow Queen from paper Mario 2 is because she is evil sealed away and has hand minions and stuff like that hands of souls of dead pixls Shadow Queen is the dead pixl queens soul seeled away is my theory. Dimentiofan25

Author?
I think that it is impossible for Dimentio to have written the Dark Prognasticus. He learns that Luigi is the key to conquering the world from reading it. You can't learn something from a book that you wrote unless you forget about it, which I highly doubt Dimentio did!

He could simply be trying to avoid suspicion. The way he said it " oh that's the first thing I learned from that book" made it seem like he was really going out of his way to say that he never wrote the book.-darknessofheart.

he probably doesn't want anyone to know,(because then bleck and his army wouldn't trust him if they did) like bleck doesn't want anyone to know he was blumiere. Luigi Time!

Pretty possible the pixl manual would be the dark book THEN Dimentio could add on to it. Seems like a good theory to me. Dimentiofan25

Yes and No
Whenever I played Super Paper Mario, Dimentio didn't give you a second chance to say yes. The next bubble is either "No way!" or "Forget it!" And before I saw on the history that he was offering you stuff(in the trivia) so you'd say yes. I dont understand... can someone please explain?Dimentio 06 19:08, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * If I remember correctly, the game doesn't give you a chance to accept Dimentio's bribery, but as far as the plot goes, Dimentio is trying to turn the heroes. Hope that clears things up. - 18:26, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Dimentio's Kill Count
It says somewhere that Dimentio directly murders six characters and indirectly kills two more within the course of the storyline. But for the "directly killed by Dimentio" I only counted five (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, and Nastasia) and for the "indirectly killed by Dimentio" I counted one (Fracktail). Am I missing one for each or what? I don't want to change it because I could very well be missing it, it's been almost a month since the last time I've played the game... Ghostkaiba297 22:14, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, the only characters Dimentio really kills are Fracktail (though you're right that it's indirect, as Mario delivers the fatal blow) and Nastasia (though she comes back to life). Everyone else he either sends to the Underwhere (where Jaydes herself says they're not actually dead) or Dimention D (as is the case with Count Bleck and Tippi). Or at least, that's what I think; I haven't played SPM in a while either. - 23:26, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Intentionally: Mario,Bowser,Peach,Mr. L,Super Dimentio and himself. Indirectly: nastasia and fracktail.Luigi Time!

Magic Tag
I think we should include the fact that Dimentio challenges the heroes to a game of Magic Tag. Y'know, the part the heroes get warped to different places and they have to chase Dimentio. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan

A Mysteriouse Relationship
There are two rumors about Dimentio that I think are somewhat related. The first one is that Dimentio wrote the Dark Progonosticus. The second is that Dimentio is descended from one of the Tribe of Ancients, Merloo (See Merloo's wiki page for details). I'd just like to point out that Merloo is the supposed author of the Light Progonosticus. If we're to assume that Dimentio actually IS related to Merloo, we should also consider the author theory... It makes sense.

Well, we have included both theories in the trivia section. Since they are just that, theories, they can't be included as facts within the context of the article. Very interesting by the way in connecting the theories. Makes a lot of sense.-darknessofheart.

Similar Evil Duo
Dimentio is very similar to Mephiles from the sonic the hedgehog series. So i added the similarities in the article. is it okay? (read it yourselves in the trivia section for more.)
 * We're not here to make similarities between two characters from different series.

Tattle
Why does the Dimentio Card at the top of the page have Tattle information? You can't use Tattle on him, because during Battle 1, Tippi is kidnapped by Francis and during Battle 2, you can only play as Luigi. Mario and the Pixls had already gone furhter then.

Oh, I understand, it's the Tattle of Dimentio's Duplicates in Castle Bleck.

Attack power
All of Dimentio's attacks during his first battle at the Dotwood Tree do 2 damage, so I conclude that his Attack power during that battle is 2 and I just changed it. We can't be sure, because Tippi can't use her Tattle.

Then let him attack you and find out! Yeesh, once again, they let ANYBODY on these wikis...
 * That kind of disrespect is not necessary. Please take more care in the future.

Carson's Stories
In one of Carson's stories, he implies that Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus. This would mean that Dimentio existed before the magician who created the Pixls, because the magician who created the Pixls used the Dark Prognosticus. But the article says that Carson also implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician. Not only is this a contradiction, but I also wonder which one of Carson's stories implies that Dimentio is a descendant of the magician.

FAWFUL AND DIMENTIO
Fawful and Dimentio seem to be alike because both are crazy or insane and both first start as a minion of the main antagonist and later in the same game or not they are the main antagonist and while Dimentio speaks in simile Fawful speaks in metaphor and they both soon get defeated at the end but still lives as a head only but still have a chance to defeat the heroes and then they both self destruct and they both always smile Fawfulsmile123 (talk) 15:31, 26 March 2014 (EDT)

Trivia question
CAN I PUT IN Trivia THAT Dimentio is eviler version of kefka palazzo or he and Kefka have similar Goal's and Personality?
 * There isn't really anything to indicate Dimentio is based on Kefka, so any similarities would be coincidental. 15:47, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Dimentio is really...
Does anyone else think that Dimentio could be the Fire and Thunder Gods from mlss.

To be quite honest with you, they don't quite look similar enough, but there is a vague similarity between Dimentio and Fire God, yeah. I highly doubt they're related, though- they come from two entirely different continuities! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png (Profile) (Talk to me!) 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT)

Dentji Meno
On the Villains Wiki, it says that Dimentio's real name is Dentji Meno. It is nowhere on here, so could this statement be false? Or is it something never added?

It's probably fanon. It isn't true, as far as I know. Someone probably just came up with a headcanon and things just escalated from there. Correct me if I'm wrong, though! --http://i.imgur.com/VG4JnjG.png (Profile) (Talk to me!) 04:47, 16 July 2015 (EDT)

He wrote the Dark Prognosticus?
I don't think this little tidbit is true. As interesting as it would be, I've read through Garson and Carson's stories and I'm not really finding an implication of him writing that terrible book. Ultimate Mr. L ( Talk ) 21:40, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
 * Carson says that Dimentio was mentioned in the Prognosticus, but never says he wrote it.Mr L Render.png Ultimate Mr. L  ( Talk ) 21:43, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

Clones?
Do his clones have a Tattle? Or is that the Tattle featured in his enemy infobox? 22:15, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * It is his clones. 22:16, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * Speaking of clones, you can add Dimentio clones to the bestiary. 22:19, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * Are they officially named? Should they have an article if they are worthy of being included in the bestiary?
 * 22:21, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * I don't know where the official name is. I say create a separate article, but not yet. More users should say something before it is created.

As for the stats: HP is 0. Attack is 2,4. Defense is 0,infinity. They are passible all the time except behind the mirror in the second mirror area where they can be easily defeated. 22:31, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * Source for stats?
 * 22:44, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * @Ultimate Mr. L: easily defeated. Attack is the same as Dimentio. They are passible. That is what I have observed when playing the game. 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * What would make the clones worthy of their own article compared to, say, clones from the Crystal King or Cackletta, who also have clones with slightly different stats? 23:17, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * @Bazooka Mario: Good point. If Dimentio clones get an article, so should all clones. But, if there are many clones, then an article grouping them together (It would state which person the clone is from) would suffice and there won't be a lot of articles about clones that we (this wiki) know nothing about. 23:46, 15 November 2016 (EST)
 * I am skeptical of the 0 HP stat. When you defeat them, they don't make the usual sound that defeated enemies do and no number appears to indicate how much damage was afflicted. If they get an article, we should list their HP as ?? or not at all, considering we don't have an actual source. The attack can be listed easily. Defense would be ??. As for an article just for clones, I am skeptical of that idea. Perhaps we should just list Dimentio Clone here on this article. The same has been done for Magikoopa.
 * 11:26, 16 November 2016 (EST)
 * Good idea. 11:55, 16 November 2016 (EST)
 * As Dimentio Clone is not an official name (they have a Tattle, but Tippi just refers to them like they're the real Dimentio), maybe we should just call it Dimentio (Clone) or Dimentio (Copy). I think the same was done for Magikoopa. It's called Magikoopa (copy) and I doubt it's called that in-game, but I could be wrong. Even if the case of the Magikoopa is different, parentheses are just a bit more subtle and to me they show that we're just calling them that to differentiate.
 * 12:08, 16 November 2016 (EST)
 * Have it in this article and call it Dimentio (copy) to keep it consistent with Magikoopa page and Crystal King page. 12:11, 16 November 2016 (EST)
 * I'll go ahead and add it then. Just to clarify, the stats are:
 * Location(s): The Dotwood Tree, Castle Bleck Interior; HP: ?? (1 hit); Attack: 2 (The Dotwood Tree), 4 (Castle Bleck Interior); Defense: ?? (All damage counts as one hit); Score: 0; Items: ; Card Type: ; Card Location ; Card Description: ; Tattle: (Move from Dimentio's, since that's actually his clones' Tattle)
 * Sound good? I left anything involving Catch Cards blank.
 * 12:18, 16 November 2016 (EST)
 * Good call because the copy doesn't have a separate card neither should the copy be mentioned in List of Catch Cards page. 12:21, 16 November 2016 (EST)