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Pipe Plaza
What happened to it? Was it replaced by The 'Shroom?
 * In some ways the Trouble Center is a part of what it was supposed to be, but definitely not the 'Shroom. A real community center where there's a collaboration to improve an article, users can post up notices for PipeProjects or other things, and important help links. Here's the collapsed project intact. It was never meant to be a current news thing. 00:08, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

The current news thing was my other great idea, thank you. Pipe Plaza is not collapsed... Its on hiatus.
 * Collapsed doesn't imply hiatus. The project can be brought back anytime if there's support (this time, I don't want a parade of responses like UserScore). 00:41, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

But a parade/slew of constuctive edits on the Plaza is greatly welcomed.

Why'd it stop??? It looks amazing! I can't believe I've never been there. Max2

Knowledge was suppressed because it was my ultimate brainchild. Its a conspiracy, I tell ya'.

By the time you joined Max the project was in hiatus and removed from the sidebar. 16:37, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Anyway, its under construction, and i'm working on it now.

Too bad you're too busy with all the other stuff, Waysh. I'll be in charge of Pipe Plaza. You can stear clear, no need to worry.

oh. so, It'll be running again soon??? Max2 yipee!!! and, are you calling me new??? I joined well over 2 months ago!!!

It was suppressed a good six, Tumble.

oh. well, uh... I'll be the assistanty-guy!!! I know lotsa stuff that needs fixin', and artcles I know nothin' about that are about 7 senteces long, and deserve 12... Max2 can I???

Whats the pipe plaza?

--Super paper luigi 16:46, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Its God on Earth. Just kiddin'.... Its a community portal I made a while back.

Community portal eh? WHAT THE HECK IS A COMMUNITY PORTAL?!?!?

--Super paper luigi 16:51, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

oh. well, uh... I'll be the assistanty-guy!!! I know lotsa stuff that needs fixin', and artcles I know nothin' about that are about 7 senteces long, and deserve 12... Max2 can I???

You know my demands. I want that one thing, a getaway car, and the letter E stricken from the English language. Other than that.... sure.. Mada Mada Dane...

W007 W007!!! YA RLY 7H3 P1P3 P/A2A 15 A6A|\|D0N3D (Yeah Really. The Pipe Plaza is Abandoned; for those idiots who don't know L337) Max2

um... If no one else is gonna start it soon, can a sysop add it back to the sidebar, and I will start it. Max2

It isn't sidebar material yet. Click this link. Pipe Plaza

um... it's protected. Max2

Observant. You edit the templates, not the actual page.

um... templates??? Max2

Can this go on the site notice?

yeah. The 'Shroom isn't "hot off the press" anymore. Max2

Its quite cold. Shall I change it?

Y-E-S. YES YES YES. Max2

I need more than Max's approval.

I'd be willing to join (again) if this picks up again.

Can I make the cool chartey thingey??? Max2

It's called a template, and you'll have to ask HK.

About the sitenotice. MM, what do you think?

No, the Support thingey!!! Max2

If it'll attract more people to this project, go ahead.

How do you make a template?----

Someone get the shroombox to do that, like the signpost-subscription.

I'm in.

Links
Why aren't The 'Shroom and Pipe Plaza linked from the main page? I  am   Confused  22:18, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Why would they be?

They are now.

Orphaned Pages
Um, Passport+ and that weird block aren't pages. So why are they there?

glitches.

glitches?

--Great Gonzo 14:11, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

yes. Passport+ and %$tm-Whatever block are glitches.

... so there's no way to get rid of them?

--Great Gonzo 14:36, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Nope. Not for now, anyway.

actually i got rid of Passport+ as a orphan, i posted a link on my talk page...

--Great Gonzo 14:49, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Ah...... I was considering something like that. I knew it would fix the problem, but I just couldn't bring myself to fix a glitch.

I can't get rid of the other one though...

--Great Gonzo 14:52, 10 April 2007 (EDT)


 * That article that you pretty much call them glitches, I was the one who tried to created the article for the Gaddgets section; unfortunately it backfired so it is renamed as Passport Plus but with the original name. :(

Actually, the weird block has 3 links: one from Confused's userpage, one from Smiddle's userpage, and one here, which a sysop'll have to remove. If we remove the links, hopefully it'll be gone.

Super Mario Bros. Stamps
Hey, guys. I found this article at 1up.com. It tells about a series of legal Japanese stamps themed after Super Mario Bros. sprites. Do they warrent an article? If so, let me know and I'll write the article and upload the image. --Stumpers


 * Sure, hit it here! I'll never forget this day when the stamps are Marioized all over!!! I wish I had some...
 * The only issue is which category they fall in. I guess it meets the borderlines of Merchandise. 22:06, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I don't see why it wouldn't fall under merchandise. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:45, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Hmmm... that's probably the closest category. I don't know the rules of that section, though.  Is there a page of multiple items this should go on?  I've seen that done for things like fast food toys and all that...  Let me know!  --Stumpers

No more Orphaned Pages!
Yay! We did it! Except for that weird block...

yeah...that weird block...I will figure out how to get rid of IT! (somehow...)

Great Gonzo

How badly do we want this gone..?

I wanna nuke this page back to the stone age :P

Great Gonzo

Let's call... wikipedia. They have like Gurus and stuff.

'K

Great Gonzo
 * My guess is the page had a link to something else that redirected back to the same page (round trip). -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 17:23, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

According to my research, someone created and moved the ! Block page or the ? Block page, but the page created a glitch. This is similar to the moving glitch with RAP on Passport Plus+. This is what you should do: Create the Â™ª Block page, move the info to another page (without a punctuation mark), then delete both the redirect and the fake article. That should take care of the problem. I  am   Confused  17:40, 12 April 2007 (EDT)


 * The only person who moved ? Block was *checks*....me....oops......now that I think about it, I remember that page showing up....-- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 18:50, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Son of Suns executed the procedure well, except that he moved the page to an article with a ! at the end. Try again. I  am   Confused  17:49, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Seizure!!
I don't know what the heck just happened, but while I was looking at the Bone Dragon Pit article there appeared a black and white flashing advertising (one of the ones that appears on the right). I don't know if that was an glitch or something, but that nearly like gave me sizures.

Good thing I was alert, and quickly exited the window to not look at the flashing patterns but I was wondering what that flashing light was. Was it a glitch in my computer?


 * It's not a glitch, I went to the page and the first thing I saw was that flash. It's some dungeon-dragon-esqe online RPG that makes it flashy to "attract" viewers. I don't know much about advertising, so I don't know if any sysops can take it out. I think this is dangerous to have on the site. That's just me. at 10:07 AM

Steve can stop it, I think. Or we'll tell Google.

I clicked on the Bone Dragon Pit, but I only saw the flashing ad for a second, then it stopped and the ad continued.

You know what's dangerous? that picture of that girl in the bikini for that IMO or whatever ad.

. This is bad,maby we SHOULD tell google. Wait! I am on that RPG, i will complain on its forums! Isyou 19:20, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=8913377&mpage=1&key=&#8913377

Check me out, protesting. I am such a good boy. Isyou 19:46, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

They dont seem to care that random people will get seizures. Isyou 19:46, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Orphaned Pages
I notice that our hard work has been undone. If you make SPM articles, remember to link them from other pages.

I'll get right on it Great Gonzo

Willy on...
Someone find his IP!!!!----

I got lucky on one of his sockpuppet accounts. Threat over 13:32, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Wow, that was the first time I've ever experienced a major troll attack on this wiki. On Wikipedia, it's considered a minor and everyday thing. Here, it is a bit more exciting (no offense). I don't want it to happen again, just sharing my experience. Also, don't create talk pages for sockpuppets. Too much unnecessary deleting. I  am   Confused  13:39, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, get a little worked up now and again.----

Oh, Confused? It's normal to have a Vandal attack here, too. It's always someone early Saturday... When I'm the only person on!

Happens at least once a month. Last one, not this one, was at 7:30 A.M. on Saturday. Trolls are pretty smart.----

Looks like I missed the "fun". I was playing SPM.

He's... back... Everyone, we need sysops that can be on at different times for this Wiki's protection.----

Man, we really need to stop this once and for all. All we can do is revert their edits. I  am   Confused  11:41, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I believe that there should be a new section...
You know how in Super Paper Mario, there is a show called the Grodus Chronicles and a game called Larry Koopa: Zombie Heartbreaker? Well, I believe there should be a sectioned for "Games in the Mario games"/"Shows in the Mario games." Klaus Kratchet

Yeah, I thought that too. Join PP:SPM if you have the game.
 * The only other game-in-games I can think of would be Beetle Swarm (or whatever it's called). -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:19, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Hm... How about an "Other" section? Klaus Kratchet

Solution to Latest String of Vandalisms
I think an extension that somehow auto-blocks users for an action or lets users with a certain right (not a sysop, but in-between) block users temporarily is in order to minimize the damage done by vandals such as Willy & Peachycakes. Even though I can only be on at most 2 hours a day, I'll try to find something.

Thanks to Yoshi626 & Sir Grodus for doing the dirty work today. Unrelated, keep up the good work established at PP:SPM. Exactly what we need to get info about the game on the wiki. 17:10, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

... So, you'll ask Steve? I'm going back to school tommorw. 8'(
 * If I find an extension that's useful I will contacting him. 17:17, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

OK.

Its is practically impossible to do it. Sorry to break the news, but there is no extension that will give users the autoblock power. There is another way though. The owner of the site will have to change LocalSettings.php and create a new user group (similar to sysops or bureacrats). Give them the right to block users. Then autoconfirm the transition from User to (Desired User Group), maybe set it to 1 month atleast. This way, only users who have been on this wiki for a month can be promoted into the unnamed user group and gain blocking rights. Also, there isn't a such thing as a temporary blocking power. I  am   Confused  17:42, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Similar to how we blocked the moving feature to new users. This sounds great, but I was thinking of only giving trusting users this mini-power. A vandal can leave an account to rot for a month, come back and block all of us. We would be creating a new right that only I or Steve (bureaucrats) can give users. Anyways, that's some smart thinking – I forgot what we did before. :D 17:47, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Block us all? Washi, hide me. I'm scared!

Yeah, I think it should be given to trusted users only, forget the autoconfirm rights. If we do create this new user group, will we only give them the blocking right or will we also give them the rollback tool and other anti-vandalism features? Also, if someone blocks an admin with block rights, that admin can remove the blocked status off himself. You don't have to worry about that. I  am   Confused  17:53, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Block, rollback, and patrol. The three rights needed to look for, revert & block vandalism. Pages needed to be deleted can be taken care of by an admin when they come on (so can be used in the interim).  17:56, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

One more question; will you hand pick the people to promote or run an election page like on Wikipedia? Personally, I don't think the election thing is a good idea because it will become a popularity contest. I  am   Confused  18:03, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I doubt their will be an election, there was one for sysops, but it didn't even last a day. It will be handpicked, probably.
 * As Plumber said. I have already handpicked you, Confused! 21:00, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

RareWiki
Is the RareWiki going to be a failure just like the Dk Wiki?

Maybe, but as Son of Suns has stated, its not really our concern. -- Sir Grodus

But if they do fail would we have to have banjo and conker articles here?

I'm not sure, but probably not. -- Sir Grodus

Oh Im glad cause I dont support having any kind of articles that does not focus on the marioverse being placed here.

Well, considering that we've been questioning the Mario games not published by Nintendo as perhaps not being canon... where can we stop? This whole, "canon" and "non-canon" and "Marioverse" thingies confuse me. Bottomline, I don't think we should use the "Marioverse" arguement to decide this, because the "Marioverse" is "noncanon." Scary thought, that. 0.o --Stumpers
 * I'm starting to be sorry I ever used the term Marioverse around here. I always saw it as all inclusive. If Mario or Mario-related characters are in it, it's in the Marioverse. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 21:08, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Actually, any Nintendo Character could go here if we go by Stumpers. We could add Sir Kibble, Mido, Deoxys, Aryll, and, you get my point.

As dead as it is, we are entirely different from the RareWiki now. We will not be taking back any articles. 21:01, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Mario Is Not Amused
When I tried to edit Image talk:PaperLuigi.PNG, a weird message came up with Brawl Mario saying:Mario is not amused? What's with this?

wow just tried to do the same and...what was that..Great Gonzo
 * I have a feeling what it might be...but I'm asking Steve first. The not amused is the error page of the wiki. 21:33, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Weird. I didn't have any problems.

I have problem...Great Gonzo

That once happened to me and I couldn't get on for a week.----

Para-bomb and Para Bob-omb
Hmmm... The articles, Para-bomb and Para Bob-omb have two simlar articles; as of now click on one of them and see if they have to be merged together... Again, please respond...

[[Special:Conbtributions/RAP|
 * RAP: "Yo! Throw some Para-ombs and Para Bob-ombs out to the sky!"
 * Soldier: "But sir, they are the same!"
 * RAP: "Just throw both of those thinges ya' hear?"]]

Depends if they are officially named those two separate ways or not. 22:47, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
 * I would say it depends on if they are the same thing or not. A number of Mario related character have more than one name. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

IMO, it's just two names for the same thing. In what ways are they different? --Stumpers

I think they are the same thing. So I'm gonna merge them.

Tribute on Youtube from
Clicky click. 14:36, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

8|) I'm on... YOUTUBE! OMG! I'm famous! *sings*

Wow...that's cool.

Uuurrgggg... I'm in that video...Sorry, but the perspective of being seen by million of viewer on Youtube just scare the heck out of me. Gofer, who is a big sissy.

I wish I was there.----

You could be. I've been thinking of making another one with people who isn't there. Go to User talk:LuigiFan101 and tell me if you want to be in it. Yeah... LuigiFan101

I MUST TRIPLE MY EFFORTS!!! U TUBE!!! --Stumpers, who was on the edge of his seat in hopefulness, then was sad, but realized that he in no way deserved to be on there, but whatever. Meh... time to head over to the talk page of luv!  W00t!  sign me up!  Nothing better than signing up for awards... although I doubt I would get on there since I'm a vicious brute.  Rawr.  Ohhhh, yeah!  Check that growl!  I'm so bored right now okay bye have a good weekend or I'll stalk you down...

Super Mario Bros. 3 game online
Does anybody know any site that you can play any super mario bros. game for free?

Nescafe or something like that. I will try to find the link for ya, k?

HERE IS THE LINK! Along with mario bros. 3, you will also be able to play games like mario bros. 2 and 1, and original mega man, and crap.

http://www.davieboy.net/play/game.all.asp

Hey thanks for the link!

I don't have the link handy at the moment, but there is a really good fan-made version of Super Mario Brothers called Mario Forever. -- Chris 03:02, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

This really isn't the place to discuss this. And besides, the games are slow, the sound is distorted, and the controls are horrible. - Hyper Mushroom, good thing I have most of those games on GBA...

There used to be MB 1, 2, 3 at "atarcade.com", but were removed due to copyright. Full, beautiful game. Just perfect. Too bad, really.

Luigi vs. Mr. L
Should Mr. L and Luigi be merged? I mean, they are the same person.

Mr. L is pretty different from Luigi, so he technically a form. Forms deserve their own pages. I don't see us merging all of Wario's forms into his article. I  am   Confused  13:01, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Well, he isn't a transformation, so they are the same, such as Bowser and Rookie.

That's a good point. I  am   Confused  13:12, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

OK, should I move it?

Already done. I  am   Confused  13:15, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Humans
Okay, let's have a settling vote on what to do with the Human templates. They are and. One, we can keep the human template split into games and media as it is currently or two, we can remerge the human templates and add a collapsible table, such as in Template:Yoshi.

Keep Split

 * 1) Confused

Merge Both

 * 1) Waluigi Freak 99 13:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * 2) User:Stumpers
 * 3) [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
 * 1) [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Comments
I'm loving the colapsable table idea. It looks pretty wild when a table is bigger than the article itself, which happens with many minor characters. :) --Stumpers

Well, Merging wins.

Game Sites Page
Here's a new suggestion: a list of reliable game sites. This list could include sites such as IGN.com, Gamespot.com, and other well known sites, but more importantly it could include ones such as jeux-france.com and Gamekult.com, sites that may not be so well known. I've just been referred to a lot of cool sites by other Wiki users, such as the European version of Nintendo Power (thanks, CoinCollector!) and I think it would be really, really cool if every user knew every site. Ideally, this page could be edited by anyone. Any thoughts? --Stumpers


 * That's actually a great idea! Hmm... I'm trying to remember some websites... Hmmm.... is it no...

You're free to make a section in Links for this. 14:58, 23 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I'll pop it right before fansites, maybe? It won't be up tonight, but look forward to it! ;)  --Stumpers


 * UPDATE: I got bored. It's done. Stumpers

Hmm... I know most of the websites you put up, give me at least a hour to find some sites that have Mario stuff in it. BTW, where's the European version of Nintendo Power? Anyone heard of Gamefaqs? GAMEFAQS!?


 * Ack! I left out GameFaQs?!  Idiota!  Yeah, I'll check out those pages CoinCollector directed me to.  --Stumpers


 * --Stumpers

Edits
Ive just noticed I haven't make that many edits on page other than talks and my user page.

Nah. Gofer

No, that's a ridiculous reason to get banned.

well thats good.

No you can't be banned for that, but you might be seen as a slacker by some for not doing your share of contributing. 20:46, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Slacker. Kidding. I  am   Confused  22:22, 25 April 2007 (EDT) or maybe not

Suggestions
Okay guys, this wiki needs to be cleaned up a bit. That's why I want to talk to you guys a bit about the minor growing issues and recommendations before this page gets archived.


 * 1) Image uploading – no offense, but lately we've had bad image descriptions and wrongful labeling. For the labeling issue, go here. To fix up crappy image descriptions, use . The least you all can do is to use it while uploading. You just need to enter what what the image details and what game the image is from. Use a format like.
 * 2) Personal Images – some of you have over 10 personal images, and note that the personal image policy says you can only have four (five including signature image). Some of you just upload and stick them onto your user pages without even labeling them as personal images. I found a shocking number of unlabeled personal image while going through all images. Some of you didn't know about it before and that's okay. But now that you do know after reading this, you should take responsibility and dispose of your extra personal images. Tell other new users and friends who aren't aware of the rule too.
 * 3) Stubby pages – some of you have been creating one sentence pages, mainly around SPM. Others like the Fay article use to simply look like the writer gave no effort in creating the page and copy & pasted it. My point is, if you don't know anything about an article (other than what game it appears in), don't create it at all. This drives away the attention on the red links and drives serious writers away. I mean no one wants to work on crappy pages, do they?
 * 4) Vandalism – you all need to be informed in this department. You guys shouldn't block anyone on first warning. People make mistakes, it happens. Some people could be caught up in recent sockpuppet vandalism problem. Before anybody blocks or suspects another user of being a sockpuppet, give the user a chance. At first offense, use . If you have reason to suspect the user is deliberately continuing trollish actions, us . If the user continues with the maliceful behavior despite knowing the consequences, use . If the user disregards the Lastwarn template, then it is appropriate to block him/her. After doing so, place on the user's talk page including information about how long he has been blocked. Remember to keep block times sensible. Don't block a user for an infinite amount of time just because he/she was creating bad articles or spamming. The only time it is really okay to block a user for an infinite amount of time is if that user is a troll. IP blocks are only used for drastic measures as well. Use common sense.

Thank you for complying with these rules. – MarioWiki Maintenance

OK Mr. Maintenance, my thoughts:
 * 1) Personal image templates & licensing is very important. I'm especially getting tired of using all the time on certain users' images.  is optional, but good for article images. One-sentence image summaries is usually sufficient, depending on the content.
 * 2) This Friday, I'm officially counting all personal images and telling everyone over 4 to trim down. You have thus been warned.
 * 3) Remember Help:Article. It also advises to not create the article if you know nothing about it. Construction pages for SPM, like the list pages, are fine, but one-sentence pages are not. Catch Card is an excellent example of what we're looking for.
 * 4) I have to half-agree and half-disagree here. The warning templates in order should be used, sometimes if it's bad the first time you can skip to right away. But spammers will come back after their block is up, so we rarely do not block indefinitely. The "block time" variable is mostly nonexistent on this wiki. Plain & simple.

If you know you're one of the users with 10+ personal images, start thinking which ones are going now. 22:35, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

You all heard the Yoshi. Mainly, start trimming your personal images down to 4. Remember the sig pic as a separate personal image. If you listen, this could really boost the efficiency of the wiki. As for the block thing, people should still be given second chances, no matter what. Plus, they'll probably be bored and go away anyway. The point is that we showed mercy and we aren't at fault. Maybe the second block can be infinite. I  am   Confused  22:56, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

I've looked through a few user pages already, and here are some of the users who have too many personal images: Also, I agree with the IP thing. There are quite a few IPs that have been blocked on first offenses. What should be done with them? -- 23:11, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
 * Arend (Twenty-seven)
 * Aipom (This page alone has too many)
 * Dry Bones (This page alone has too many)

Yeah, thanks for locating all the personal images. Don't forget this as well. And yeah, IP blocking is only for continuous trolls. I  am   Confused  23:22, 25 April 2007 (EDT)


 * I think that certain exceptions, like Aipom's Comic Archive, should be allowed. But that should ONLY be used it certain cases.


 * Thinking about the rules (look at the top of this section) makes sense, I'll think I'm goanna start this at problemly tommorw. Only "Image Uploading" and problemly "Stubby Pages" Confused posted in this section All right, let's go let's go clean up!!


 * 1) Not Aipom's Comic Archive! anything but that!
 * 2) I told DB about the Dry Pics page a month ago.

User:Isyou is also a pretty big offender, he have thirteen personnal image and a crapload that he did not put on his userpage. And yeah, Aipom's Comic shoul'dnt be deleted. Gofer
 * Aipom can just link his comics externally like Plumber does, so he wouldn't have to upload them. If he did that, then they wouldn't count as personal images. -- 07:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT)