Talk:Coin Bag

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Differences[edit]

The Mario Party Coin Bag and the Super Princess Peach Coin Bag have their major differences. Would it be better if they were split? Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 09:42, 9 April 2016 (EDT)

Split the Mario Party Coin Bag from the Super Princess Peach Coin Bag[edit]

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split only 6-5-1-0
I noticed Bazooka Mario posted a question above regarding this over a year ago, which never got answered, but brings up a good point. The Mario Party and Super Princess Peach Coin Bags are two different objects. One is small and acts as a collectible; the other is the opposite: a large, floating, interactable object, with the only thing in common being that they have coins inside them. It's for this reason I think they should be split.

That being said, however, I also think the Mario Party info should be merged with the Money Bag article. Unlike the Super Princess Peach Coin Bag, there isn't much difference to justify them being separate articles: both are bags of money that were designed to be worth more than a single coin, just with a different quantity in each game. Additionally, we don't even have a reference for the name "Money Bag"; the only official names we have are "Moneybag" and "Coin Bag" (all the more reason they should be merged).

In short, merge all of them, except for the Super Princess Peach one.

Proposer: Mario jc (talk)
Deadline: August 25, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Split Mario Party and SPP info into separate articles[edit]

  1. Mario jc (talk) Even if my preferred option doesn't gain the most support, it's essential that these two be split, per what I said above. (I'm also fine with this option if anyone argues the Wario Land: Shake It! one is different enough to have its own page.)
  2. Toadette the Achiever (talk) I can't think of any other breaking similarities between the two, so yeah, let's split them.
  3. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Alex95 (talk) - Money Bag currently needs a citation, so I'm voting split for now.
  5. Yoshi the SSM (talk) All 3 need to be all split or all merge. Preferably all split.
  6. 3D Player 2010 (talk) per all

Merge Mario Party info with Money Bag[edit]

  1. Mario jc (talk) Per my proposal. Should it pass, I also think that article should be renamed to Coin Bag, and this one (with the SPP info) to Coin Bag (Super Princess Peach).
  2. Time Turner (talk) This option, then. Per the proposal and the comments.
  3. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  4. 7feetunder (talk) The Money Bag article currently covers both Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins moneybags and Wario Land: Shake It! moneybags. Mario Party moneybags are basically the same as the ones from SML2, save for a different design and being worth a different coin amount. WL:SI moneybags function differently, being an object Wario shakes to make coins fly out. So as long as those don't have a separate article, neither should MP moneybags. I don't even remember the MP moneybags being officially named (Pyramid Scheme's rules text generically calls them "bags").
  5. Niiue (talk) Per all.

Merge all into one[edit]

  1. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Though they should be treated like any other coin, thus all three merged.

Do nothing[edit]

Comments[edit]

Are the "split SPP" and "merge MP with the other article" options mutually exclusive? I agree with doing both, but there doesn't seem to be an options to do both. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 11:14, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

If the MP version is merged with Money Bag, the SPP version will be the only one left here. The only option that would result in the SPP variant not getting its own article is "merge all into one". PMTTYD Dark Bones.pngSig.png 14:58, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

TPP[edit]

Shouldn't this proposal have been extended since it didn't pass by a margin of 3 votes? Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

So after going over all the rules and discussion this with TT I've come to the conclusion that this proposal did not meet the criteria to pass. Rule 10 says that any proposal with more then 10 votes must pass by a majority of 3 votes which this one did not because the outcome was 6-5-1 that's 12 total votes. Now you could say that this proposal falls under rule 9 but it doesn't pass under rule 9 either because rule 9 requires a single option to have a majority of the vote which no option has since one side has 50% of the votes and the other sides have 50% of the total vote. Now you could argue that because so many voters are under different options it should fall under this proposal https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_45#Change_rule_9_to_centre_on_voters_rather_than_votes but even if we apply that there are only 6 unique voters and they split 3-3. Under no criteria did this proposal pass and so it should be extended for another week. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

Made a post on the forums on why I went ahead with it.
Also, going by the current rule 9, there are nine voters, and more than half of them (6) appear in the first option, so wouldn't it win 6-3? SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 22:09, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
If you go by the idea that you only factor in unique voters at the time the proposal deadline happened there were only 6 unique voters and they were split on two options 3-3 (niiue changed his vote after the deadline). If you go by rule 9 there were 12 total votes at the time it supposed to end they were split 6 on one side and 6 combined and rule 9 states specifically "if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options." so the first option did not have a majority based on the rules because it only had half the total vote not over half the total as specified by rule 9. Rule 9 and rule 10 don't go together they are separate rules and no matter how you try to look at rule 9 this proposal did not at the time of it ending pass by it. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)
Pardon, Jc, but I've looked on the forum and I can't seem to find your post. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 22:48, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
@Chester Alan Arthur I'm afraid I still don't get you. Rule 9 counts voters, not votes, and why only count unique voters (6) and not every voter (9)?
@Time Turner It was a post on the admin boards, sorry. Basically it was about this change, as we agreed the rule would be confusing for proposals with more than two options. But as indicated by my last reply, whether that changes anything, I have no clue. SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 23:47, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
Genuine question: how do you count voters in a way that's independent from counting votes? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 23:49, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

Jesus JC you appear to be right I missed the R in voters and appear to have flipped the order completely in that proposal. Looks like it passed after all and I can't read. Chester Alan Arthur (talk)

@Time Turner Due to the rule allowing users to vote in more than one option, we just count voters, since there's a bigger chance a proposal will never reach a majority if we just count votes. As the rules are now, the only time we take votes into account are when determining the margin for two-option proposals (rule 10), a "NO QUORUM" outcome (rule 8), and whether a TPP can be cancelled or not (TPP rule 4).
And all good, Shoey. xD SMB Smallmario.png Mario JC 00:39, 27 August 2017 (EDT)


Remerge Proposal[edit]

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do nothing 1-8
Merge the following pages: Coin Bag, Coin Bag (Wario Land: Shake It!), Moneybag (item), And Coin Bag (Mario Party: Star Rush). All these items are essentially the same thing (collectible that adds lets you gain coins/points). They should all be on this page and a "==History==" section should be added.

Proposer: PFVID (talk)
Deadline: January 16, 2020 23:59 GMT

Support[edit]

  1. Trig Jegman (talk) While I wouldn't necessarily agree with merging the Coin Bag from Star Rush, I would support rewriting Coin Bag to be more about bags that hold coins for the player to collect, instead of specific item types per game, just because the coins per bag is different

Oppose[edit]

  1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) There's no way I'm supporting until I see a much more convincing argument than just "they're the same thing". No matter how you slice it, that's just not a viable argument on its own. End of story.
  2. BBQ Turtle (talk) I don't think all of these should be merged. These items all have significant differences between them, such as the ways they are used and obtained, as well as the number of coins they contain. They may have a roughly similar function, i.e. they're bags that contain coins, but I think the differences between them are enough to allow them to remain split.
  3. Alex95 (talk) - That's going to be a no from me. All of the bags are different, both in monetary content and the way they are interacted. However, I'm not sure I agree with this Coin Bag being the higher priority...
  4. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per all.
  5. 7feetunder (talk) As the one who proposed the WL:SI coin bag split in the first place, a proposal to undo that with such a weak justification is not one I'm going to support.
  6. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  7. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all. Not even remotely the SLIGHTEST the same thing. Give us actual proofs.
  8. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) - Per all. They're all bags of coins, but I don't think each appearance is supposed to bringing back the same thing.

Comments[edit]

@Trig: Then you shouldn't really be supporting this in the first place. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 12:38, January 2, 2020 (EST)

I'm actually kinda on the fence about this one. When you think about it, the normal coin article covers way more than just the typical Super Mario coin, why should the sacks that contain them be treated differently? WL:SML3 is the only game where 10-coins can be produced and thrown as a weapon, yet the article for them has every coin to ever be worth 10 of the respective game's generic coin. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:11, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Also, shouldn't the proposer vote in the first place? --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 05:43, January 11, 2020 (EST)

Name[edit]

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Where does the name for this article come from? I was told that Mario Party: Star Rush was the source of the name about two years ago when I brought this up, but the Coin Bags from that game were split off for being too different, so it no longer qualifies as a source for this Coin Bag's name. I have a feeling that this name is just a leftover from when the SPP Coin Bag was still merged with it, because I don't remember any of the Mario Party games' text giving them an official name. PMTTYD Dark Bones.pngSig.png 00:55, January 3, 2020 (EST)

"We'll plop coin bags onto Red Spaces and 1 coin onto all other spaces!" - MC Ballyhoo, Mario Party 8 at the start of the Last 5 Turns. Not sure what minigames gives a name, if any, I'm not finding any. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:12, January 3, 2020 (EST)