MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 54

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Add RARS to Template:Ratings

add 20-0

RARS is Russian Age Rating System. There are already Mario games that have been classified by this system. So why not add it to the template? Sorry for my bad English. Update: Looks like we need to add GRAC and GSRR too.

Proposer: Revilime (talk)
Deadline: July 19, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Revilime (talk) Per my proposal.
  2. Bazooka Mario (talk) Да, we already cover other age ratings, why not this one?
  3. Delfino4 (talk) Also GRAC (S. Korea) and GSRR (Taiwan) should be added.
  4. Trig Jegman (talk) no reason not to, methinks
  5. Mister Wu (talk) Since we already cover many age ratings, it makes sense to cover this one as well
  6. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  7. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per all.
  8. Toadette the Achiever (talk) За все, especially Delfino4.
  9. Doomhiker (talk) Per all.
  10. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per all.
  11. Baby Luigi (talk) Ладно, почему бы и нет.
  12. Lord Grammaticus (talk) Per all.
  13. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per all.
  14. JoeRunner (talk) Per all.
  15. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
  16. FanOfYoshi (talk) Пер Бейби Луиджи.
  17. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  18. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per all. There isn't any real reason to include the ratings of some countries but not others.
  19. Owencrazyboy9 (talk) Per all.
  20. Supermariofan67 (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

How isn't it distinct from it? --FanOfYoshi SMM2 NSMBU Angry Sun.png 12:12, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Also, this is going to be very very hard to do, heres a list, don’t get mad if I miss anything or get it out of order, I am doing my best..., no dk on this list:
  • Donkey kong
  • Donkey Kong Jr.
  • Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
  • (Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic) Super Mario Bros. 2
  • Super Mario Bros. 2 USA
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario Land.
  • Super Mario World
  • Super Mario Kart
  • Super Mario Land 2. 6 Golden Coins
  • Super Mario RPG
  • Super Mario 64
  • Paper Mario
  • Mario Kart 64
  • Mario Party
  • Mario Party 2
  • Mario Party 3
  • Luigi’s Mansion
  • Etc...
  • Do you get the point??? But, I am Joining because we need all ratings. [-]€40 vv@(talk · edits)Hyperluigi.gif 12:21, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

RARS was created in 2012. So, only games released after that have RARS rating, I think.--Luma SSB3DSWU.png Reviilime (talk · edits) 12:36, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

Moreover, Nintendo didn't actually localize any games into Russian until the release of the Switch. Also, the specific RARS you refer to doesn't have its own Wikipedia article, so how do you plan to rectify that issue? MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 12:41, July 12, 2019 (EDT)
1. Nintendo started localizing into Russian after 3DS release (SM3DL was first)
2. There's only article in Russian language. Also, in Microsoft Store you need to write rating in RARS too [1]. Xbox page - [2] --Luma SSB3DSWU.png

Reviilime (talk · edits) 13:01, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

@FanOfYoshi heh I appreciate inputting my name in Cyrillic but ignoring that Baby Luigi is actually called Малыш Луиджи, my name romanized would actually be spelled Бейби Луиджи. It was pretty close though! BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 14:09, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Create a Mario Party 11 redirect

recreate 17-0

This may sound kind of stupid, but I'm sure that there are people out there who'll automatically assume that Super Mario Party is called Mario Party 11. Super Mario Party is the eleventh Mario Party title to come out on a home console, and thus, when compared to the overall Mario Party series of 25 games, it's the 11th main game, due to the other 14 installments being either handheld or arcade. Harkening to the Mario Kart games, Super Mario Kart-Mario Kart Wii have redirects numbered 1-6. If the first six Mario Kart games warrant numbered redirects, then I really don't see why Super Mario Party cannot be treated in the same manner.

Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk)
Deadline: July 20, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per proposal.
  2. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.
  3. Scrooge200 (talk) - Per proposal
  4. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal, especially Scrooge200's findings.
  5. FanOfYoshi (talk) I don't see why not. There was a counterproposal to restore the fan-made Mario Party redirects.
  6. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  7. Doomhiker (talk) Per all.
  8. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per all.
  9. Trig Jegman (talk) per all
  10. JoeRunner (talk) Per all.
  11. Power Flotzo (talk) Sure, per all.
  12. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, this makes sense.
  13. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  14. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per all above votes and my proposal about the Mario Kart redirects.
  15. Alex95 (talk) - I was initially against it, having had to delete the redirect when it was initially created. But since Birdo actually calls it the eleventh party in-game, per proposal.
  16. Partier (talk) I tried to do this before, but since I saw this, I am happy the redirect will return. Per proposal.
  17. Supermariofan67 (talk) Per all.

Oppose

Comments

Here's the proposal in question in case anyone wants to view it before voting here. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 00:08, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Super Mario Party does refer to itself as "the 11th party" in-game. SMM2-NSMBU-AngrySun.gif Scrooge200 (talk) 00:14, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Does someone know what is the corresponding Japanese text, by the way?--Mister Wu (talk) 11:32, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Create articles for the worlds in Dr. Mario World

canceled by the administrators
A proposal regarding creation of the levels is still underway. That being said, this is a much more clear-cut situation and does not need a proposal, as the stages would have to be covered somehow.

After looking at the above proposal, knowing that Dr. Mario World simply doesn't warrant articles for each of its worlds, we'd might as well get the game's worlds themselves covered. Each of Dr. Mario World's levels don't have much information to about themselves, but the worlds as a whole have a lot more that can be brought up about them. Kinda like five sticks being tied together being stronger than each individual stick. 'Nuff said, the above proposal and the opinions of Toadette the Achiever and Mario JC back this proposal up.

Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk)
Deadline: June 28, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per proposal, Toadette the Achiever, and Mario jc.

Oppose

  1. Lord Grammaticus (talk) This is using an unresolved proposal to force through a secondary decision, and thus I have to oppose it on principle (elaborated on below).

Comments

There's absolutely no point in forcing a second proposal, just vote on the appropriate option above and state your reasoning as you did here. The proposal seems to have an overwhelming consensus now, but there's the remote possibility of it changing by the proposal's end. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 23:29, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

Add template for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's moves

canceled by the administrators
Creation of such a template does not need a proposal.

I've noticed that previous Super Smash Bros. games have templates leading to the characters' special moves, as well as universal techniques like air dodging, footstool jumping, and tether recoveries. It's been more than 7 months since Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - the most recent Smash game - was released, yet we still don't have a templates dedicated to its characters' moves. I'd like to change that.

Proposer: MarioManiac1981 (talk)
Deadline: July 29, 2019, 23:59 (GMT)

Support

  1. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per proposal. Just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

Oppose

  1. Lord Grammaticus (talk) - Per Doomhiker's comment.
  2. TheDarkStar (talk) - This proposal is completely unnecessary. The other games have a template like this, so why should it be any different here?

Comments

This really does not need a proposal. All other Smash games have a template like this, and it should automatically should be no different for Ultimate. Doomhiker (talk)Topmini.png 19:36, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Seconded - This is s the sort of thing you bring up on a talk page before forcing yet another proposal. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 19:51, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, the template can just be made. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:52, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Agreed, this proposal is completely unnecessary. SMM2-SMB3-AngrySun.pngTheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 20:23, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

btw opposes mean you don't want the template to exist in the first place, so that's kind of conflicting with your comments. I can probably just cancel this outright, but I want to see what MarioManiac says first. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 21:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

More of an opposition to the proposal itself than the proposed move - which, as you mentioned, can be made or at least discussed without a proposal. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 21:17, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
You would not even need to discuss it, as it is like giving new games nav templates once they have enough subjects: it is something that is traditionally done so it should be automatically done without discussion or proposal. Doomhiker (talk)Topmini.png 21:36, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Which is me point, yes. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 21:52, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Yes, just cancel it. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 8:45, July 23, 2019 (EST)

Add when the Just released and New subject should be removed, while slightly rewording the former template

change the templates 10-0

Just recently there has been discussion regarding when the {{New subject}} template should be removed. While Alex95 said that the template should be removed after a month, the template, and its own page, says nothing about a date where it should be removed. In fact, it says "When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. Remove this only when the changes have been applied.". So basically, it says that as long as the proper changes/info have been added about the new subject, the template can be removed, thus you can technically remove the template day one per the template, and as the template says that the template should only be removed once the changes are made technically the template can be on a page for years, if the changes are not made. So it is very easy to see how users can be confused on how long the template should last, and the current wording for removal should be reworded, as the template should be an alert for new subjects that are longer than one day old, but not years old. Plus it cannot hurt to specify when the template should be removed, to clear confusion. So, I propose to add a sentence and to reword the New subject template to specify when to remove the template, and the specification will also apply to the Just released template.

This is how the templates should look like after this proposal passes, if it does:

This article is about a game that has just been released. Major changes should be made by a contributor who has a reliable source. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released.

This article is about a subject in an upcoming or recently released game. When the game is released, or more information about this subject is found, this article may need major rewriting. This template should be removed after a month has passed since the game was first released.

The templates' pages will also include the date of removal.

Proposer: Doomhiker (talk)
Deadline: July 24, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Doomhiker (talk) Per proposal.
  2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Agreed, although, that could be done on the template's talk page.
  3. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per proposal.
  4. Scrooge200 (talk) I always confused these. Per proposal.
  5. Owencrazyboy9 (talk) Per all.
  6. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Strong support as another obstacle in the policy's elaborate reasoning to clear up.
  7. Lord Grammaticus (talk) Don't see why not. Per all.
  8. EDShoot (talk) Makes perfect sense to me. Per all.
  9. TheDarkStar (talk) Per all.
  10. Alex95 (talk) - Per my current understanding of this template.

Oppose

Comments

@FanOfYoshi I done it on this page due to it affecting two templates. I would much rather one proposal then two dealing with near-identical matters. Doomhiker (talk)Topmini.png 13:22, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Ok. --FanOfYoshi SMM2 NSMBU Angry Sun.png 13:26, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
I always remove these templates two weeks after a game is first released, but OK. MarioManiac1981 (talk) 0:08, July 18, 2019 (EST)

Disallow use of "per all" votes on proposals and featured article nominations

canceled by proposer

Let's face it, this proposal had to happen. Too many people vote on a proposal just for the sake of voting, and bandwagon on the side with more votes. "Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes. They instead opt to say "per all above reasons", quite possibly because they haven't even read the above reasons and are simply voting just by looking at the voting headers, without looking at the reasons for either side. Worst-case scenario, they see that one of the sides has a lot more votes and they cast a "per all" vote on that side just because. "Per all" is the lamest excuse to vote that ever existed and goes directly against proposal policy of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it". "Per all" has some real meaning behind it, but it's rarely used just because the voter agrees with and would otherwise list every single reason posted above it. It's usually just used because the voter hasn't considered the matter carefully and is rushing their vote to the side with more. It's basically putting no reason with your vote other than "you know what just look at the votes above this because I don't feel like typing everything".

Therefore, I propose that the use of "Per all" in any proposal or featured article nominations be prohibited, and any votes involving its use are eligible for removal (unless they provide other reasons along with "per all", in which case the "per all" portion of the vote be removed and the rest of the vote stays as-is). "Per proposal" and "Per <user>" votes will still be allowed, but in the case of the latter, voters must list the users they most strongly agree with, one by one. This provides at least some certainty that they have considered the matter carefully, and examined the reasons to see which ones they buy.

Proposer: YoshiFlutterJump (talk)
Deadline: August 3, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. YoshiFlutterJump (talk) Per my proposal. (Just watch how even in this proposal a bunch of "per all" votes get cast out of sheer spite just because)

Oppose

  1. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all simply means you agree with the points others have already made. Do some people abuse it? Probably, but we have no way of knowing whether they have or not, and neither do you. I see no reason to disallow it, otherwise you'll just have everyone beating a dead horse, or worse, actively discourage users from participating in proposals. This proposal also seems pointless as you could easily get around it by just writing a laundry list of everyone else who has voted prior. If anything, I'd rather see casting blank votes as an implied "per all" being allowed.
  2. Niiue (talk) In my opinion, there's no good reason to force people to give longer responses to proposals. I use "per all" because I don't want to just repeat the same points that everyone else already made. Honestly, I'd support just eliminating the need for vote reasons in the first place since an empty vote is just another way of saying "per all".
  3. Trig Jegman (talk) ...Yeah no. Per all is used mostly because if one was to write out the same points again as vote number twelve (or even three), it would just waste both that users time and just be frustrating to read for other people. It's not going to prevent anything either, as Waluigi Time stated above. This proposal really seems to serve no use other than Well, I don't like seeing the words per all so let me just get rid of it."
  4. Lord Grammaticus (talk) ""Per all" implies that the voter is too lazy to simply point out their reasons or even refer back to specific previous votes."" There are a lot of reasons for me to oppose this, but I think this assumption seals it. Do you really want there to be no alternative or shorthand for people whose reasoning is ultimately the same as someone else's, either because it was more compelling to them or because their own stance is similar enough to another voter's that it would genuinely make little difference? Because all this is going to result in, among other things, is people struggling to word their opinions in as obtuse a way as possible just to avoid accusations of "not considering the matter carefully" or not meeting some arbitrary level of originality in their statements. I for one would rather not be mandated to type out whole lines and paragraphs in order to satisfy some random person's perception of my understanding, especially not when a "per all" would suffice - if someone really wants to "test" my understanding of a matter, they are free to ask me for an in-depth opinion. And let it be reiterated that it is the attempt to seemingly mandate a perceived laziness away - and perceived is the key word here - that rubs me the wrong way infinitely more than any other aspect (e.g. the presumption of voter motivations, for one). And there's a huge overlap with that example, likely because the entire notion of this proposal is founded on assumptions, and ones that would easily be proven wrong were one to actually engage with the voters and see what guides their thought process, instead of trying to force their hand via such an overt attempt to try and finagle their personal opinion into an enforceable guideline.
  5. Baby Luigi (talk) honestly i say we're far better off getting rid of the reason required rule to begin with: a reasonless vote is pretty much just a stealth "per all". a vote is a vote. i still have the same power regardless if i write two words due to bandwagoning or type a 1000 word essay.
  6. Bazooka Mario (talk) Per all.

Comments

Yes, there's an inherent irony in my typing an entire paragraph about how this is going to make people feel compelled to type paragraphs, and no, I don't much care because that's well beside the point. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 19:02, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

And for further commentary, I peeked at the history in Recent Changes, and apparently this is a means of dealing with "bandwagon voting". If ever a statement begged a question, this is it: what exactly is the definition of "bandwagoning" being used here, and what are actual examples of votes that meet said definition without careening down the obvious slippery slope of "X more or less agrees with something Y said"? Because again, and let's face it, sometimes someone says it better than you could. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 19:07, July 27, 2019 (EDT)
if he's talking about soliticing votes from other users, that's already forbidden to begin with. really it assumes a lot of bad faith in users when that's what we shouldn't do BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 19:28, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

I do think that rule of "Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it" is not necessary. Per all and blank votes are simply just reiterating the other positions. To assume the worst from blank votes kinda runs against the whole "assume good faith" sort of thing. Mario Green.pngKaBoom! 19:37, July 27, 2019 (EDT)

Create articles on individual Dr. Mario levels

Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure 3-11-0-0

I'm specifically referring to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels in Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure and the story mode stages in Dr. Mario World.

It still bothers me that somehow the Dr. Mario series levels aren't explicitly covered by policy, so I propose that we be able to create them. I know that it may be a bit of a stretch to propose this, but I think we have a good precedent to go by: the levels from the Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, as even though they aren't really comprehensive levels per se (and thus would technically be in the same boat as the aforementioned Dr. Mario series levels), they still have articles nonetheless.

Should this proposal fail for either game, tables on the list of stages in each game will be created instead.

Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: July 28, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Create articles for both games' levels

  1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
  2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.
  3. MarioManiac1981 (talk) My second option.

#Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per Toadette the Achiever. I was the one who originally added the links to the Miracle Cure Laboratory levels. While the previous Dr. Mario games have randomized levels, these don't.
#TheDarkStar (talk) Per Obsessive Mario Fan.

Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario: Miracle Cure

  1. Baby Luigi (talk) Honestly, I agree with JC and with porplemontage in that talk page in that the levels in Dr. Mario World are more comparable to the Power Moons if anything else. Unlike the levels in Bowser Jr.'s journey, the puzzles are even more extremely straightforward and basic; the articles would contain little more than naming the amount of viruses present and features, and I really feel like that's something that could be more easily, conveniently and better summed up in a simple image + gallery format in their respective World articles summarizing the info up such as notable introductions to new game features than tearing all the tiny levels into individual pieces that would make it such a chore to navigate. It also doesn't help that the Dr. Mario World stages are generically named such as "Stage 60,201" unlike the Journey and Bowser's Minions level articles.
  2. Lord Grammaticus (talk) Per Baby Luigi. I took a look at the stages in Dr. Mario World and there'd barely be enough to sustain half an article on its own.
  3. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Per all. The Dr. Mario World levels should just be handled in a list because there isn't much to say about them.
  4. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per all.
  5. Toadette the Achiever (talk) I'm okay with this option too.
  6. Doomhiker (talk) As long as we still describe the level via tables on the world page, I agree with this option. Per all.
  7. MarioManiac1981 (talk) Per all.
  8. FanOfYoshi (talk) Second option, better than nothing.
  9. Niiue (talk) Per all.
  10. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per Baby Luigi.
  11. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, I was going to suggest the same thing.

Only create articles on the levels from Dr Mario World

Don't create any articles

Comments

For the level layouts, we can show the virus layouts like this:

Red Virus DMW.pngRed Virus DMW.pngRed Virus DMW.png

Blue Virus DMW.pngBlue Virus DMW.pngBlue Virus DMW.png

DrMarioWorldGreenVirus.pngDrMarioWorldGreenVirus.pngDrMarioWorldGreenVirus.png

Is it a good idea? SMM2-SMB3-AngrySun.pngTheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 15:37, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

I think we're far better off just taking a screenshot of the level. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, that sounds easier. SMM2-SMB3-AngrySun.pngTheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 15:42, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
(edit conflicted) That sounds a bit too strategy-guide like. For the viruses in the Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels, I think it's better to just label how many of each color are in the level. As for Dr. Mario World, the colors of each virus can be random for each level, so it might just be better to make a note of how many viruses are in the level, as well as how many other gimmicks there are (Brick Blocks, Koopa shells, bombs, etc.). MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 15:47, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
I think you may have a stronger case for Miracle Cure since those levels appear to be named and not under specific worlds but I'm still against Dr. Mario World levels being separate in favor of summarizing stages in a gallery format in their respective world articles. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 15:50, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
I think Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure levels should definitely be made...Although levels from Dr. Mario World could be handled in a list, depending on how much there is to say about them. Super Mushroom Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png Obsessive Mario Fan MK8DX Mario Icon.png 16:09, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

What about full Worlds in Dr. Mario World? I think those should recieve articles, but probably not the individual levels. Super Mushroom Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png Obsessive Mario Fan MK8DX Mario Icon.png 17:08, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

Worlds are outside the scope of this proposal, and should be created according to myself and Mario jc. MLPJToadetteWink.gif ToadettetheAchiever 17:23, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
OK. I was just wondering, in case that wasn't went over earlier. Super Mushroom Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png Obsessive Mario Fan MK8DX Mario Icon.png 17:27, July 21, 2019 (EDT)

there i made an article on one of the worlds from dr mario world BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 17:51, July 25, 2019 (EDT)

Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries

reorganize 13-1

Hi, so this is going to be a short, yet complicated proposal. There are two gallery pages, Gallery:Toys and Gallery:Figurines (linked in header), and it's a massive lump of merchandise images, which makes it difficult to actually add information regarding the merchandise. Pikipedia actually manages their merchandise page better in my opinion, as they organize by merchandise type in the mainspace (rather than gallery mainspace), and add some info on the individual merchandise. Part of me thinks that the lack of information on official merchandise (aside from obscurity) is because much of it is listed on a gallery page, rather than designated mainspace article. There is more information to the merchandise than just a picture of galleries.

Even if this proposal does pass, we should consider sorting the merchandise into sections or articles, so like Super Mario series merchandise, Yoshi's Island merchandise, Donkey Kong series merchandise, Mario Kart merchandise. There's simply too much merchandise. Mario is one of the biggest gaming franchise of them all and has numerous spinoffs and franchises. The longevity of the franchise makes me think it's the biggest gaming franchise of them all... I'm definitely going to need the community's help on this big proposal.

Proposer: Results May Vary (talk)
Deadline: July 30, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Results May Vary (talk) - I started this proposal.
  2. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.
  3. Scrooge200 (talk) - Per proposal.
  4. Baby Luigi (talk) Strong support. I would love to have more expanded articles on merchandise.
  5. Metalex123 (talk) Per proposal.
  6. Alex95 (talk) - Sounds good to me. More information on these toys would be great in a list format, a gallery doesn't work for that all that well.
  7. FanOfYoshi (talk) Agreed. Per all.
  8. Doomhiker (talk) Lists on merchandise on individual series (not games, most of those lists would be too short) would be great, and a good amount of merchandise does have some kind of pertaining info.
  9. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) Agreed, I think more should be said about the merchandise here. If there is not much to say about one, we would just put a short description.
  10. Waluigi Time (talk) Absolutely. I was just thinking about doing this not too long ago, as the current merchandise galleries are just a mess of everything being tossed in wherever. I also think there's potential to split certain merchandise lines/companies, such as the Hot Wheels toys that just came out, a single page for the many Happy Meal promotions, or the Build-A-Bear toys which are actually mostly missing from that page; we already do this for San-ei and K'NEX, actually. There's so much that can be said about stuff like this that doesn't really lend itself to a paragraph somewhere in a massive gallery.
  11. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
  12. Lord Grammaticus (talk) - Per all.
  13. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per all, we definitely need to better organise our merchandise coverage.

Oppose

  1. Trig Jegman (talk) Honestly, to begin with, I don't see the need to do this at all. Most of the merch can be understood as an image the way it is now. Further information isn't really necessary. There's no surprise as to what a Mario figure is, and at most a caption of 'Made by [company] in [year]' would suffice. Lets say that besides it's sheer uselessness that it gets passed. The logistics of creating such lists (as you seem to be aiming for) would be extremely difficult to create effectively. Would some games be standalone and others be by series? Furthermore, I think there would be a lot of sketchy, inaccurate, and entirely nonexistant sourcing would take place, leading to a variety of errors and inconsistencies. Absolutely no reason to pass, in my eyes.

Comments

So what are some possible ideas for how we will reorganize the articles into mainspace? What will the titles be? I definitely think doing it by franchise and spinoff series is the way to go. general merchandise (such as generic mario emblem) can be sorted under "general merchandise" or something like that. I want to hear your opinions. Results May Vary (talk) 22:10, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Sort by spinoff series, like List of Mario Kart merchandise, and "List of general merchandise" works. SMM2-SMB3-AngrySun.pngTheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 22:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Yes, that would be a great idea for names. Results May Vary (talk) 22:22, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
Just remembered that Forest of Illusion has posted lots of obscure Mario merchandise from Japan, so some of the pages could possibly be sorted by region. Results May Vary (talk) 23:13, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

New template: Alphabetize

failed 6-14

Historically, lists and galleries have attempted to be alphabetical. For the most part, they have remained somewhat intact in remaining alphabetical. In a lot of other cases, this is not exactly true, which is where this template comes into play. This template, to be used in sections of pages, indicates that a list should be made alphabetical. It is significantly different from {{rewrite}} because rewriting a page generally adds to or removes content, and requires a type of reactional thinking to form NEW content. To make a section alphabetical, it requires moving around pre-existing content. This should lead to a higher level of consistency among articles, and greater ease for readers to navigate pages.

The template would look like this:

It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in alphabetical order.

Proposer: Trig Jegman (talk)
Deadline: August 9, 2019 at 23:59 GMT.

Support

  1. Trig Jegman (talk) Per proposal. Would be weird if the guy that made it didn't support it...
  2. Superchao (talk) Seems a perfectly reasonable way to call attention to a specific issue to me.
  3. FanOfYoshi (talk) Not THAT unreasonable.
  4. Doomhiker (talk) Honestly the "we can use the rewrite template" argument seems quite invalid. Template:Tense exists, even though we technically could just use {{rewrite|Tense}},. Template:Trivia could just be {{rewrite|Trivia section is too long}}. If we were to not have this template, then those templates would also have to go. Really, with the mentality that "just because another template just be used for the same thing", we should delete most improvement templates and make an issue template were we can do {{issue|rewrite, _ needs to be done to fix it}}, {{issue|Poor image quality, because _}}, {{issue|stub}}, etc. However, there is one major benefit in having specific template for specific issues, and sub-templates of those (which is what Template:Tense is and what this template can be) is that when those templates are used specific categories are added to the page. This means that editors can look for specific issues to fix instead of going through all pages marked with a more general template, like the rewrite template. If you want to fix long trivia sections, you can go to Category:Articles with long trivia sections. (Unfortunately Template:Tense doesn't have its own category which it should have if you only want to fix tense, but https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Tense still can be used). Of course, this template won't always be used, but there still are good uses of it, so I support.
  5. Supermariofan67 (talk) Per Doomhiker. Also, rewrite typically implies that an article needs its written content fixed, whereas Alphabetize typically pertains to galleries. Many users tend to focus on either written content or images, but sometimes not both. File maintainers like myself would never find such gallery sort issues in the rewrite category. In fact, I doubt very many people even scroll through that category when looking for articles to rewrite because of how bloated it is due to everyone using the template as a catch-all for any sort of issue with articles. I strongly disagree with the oppose votes here because I feel that sorting of galleries, which can be an automated process is vastly different from fixing writing within articles and deserves its own maintenance category and template, and that trying to include this in rewrite contributes to the bloat of the rewrite category, making it more useless.
  6. Niiue (talk) Per Doomhiker.

Oppose

  1. Alex95 (talk) - I'm going to say the same thing here as I did in our DMs about this. {{rewrite|reason=alphabetized}} does the same thing. We don't need another template for this. Rewriting doesn't always mean adding or removing content, it could mean reorganizing content as well.
  2. Lord Grammaticus (talk) - I know I've griped about something similar to this, but it's ultimately a semantic issue and, at most, a small quibble. Slightly altering the current templates to potentially reflect such cases would work somewhat better than a whole new template that all but says the same thing. Plus Alex makes a good point regarding what a rewrite entails.
  3. Scrooge200 (talk) Per all.
  4. Results May Vary (talk) - Trig, sorry but I'm going to have to agree with Grammaticus and Alex. Alphabetizing isn't needed in all cases. For instance, with characters in spin-off titles, Mario should always come first and foremost, as he is the series' titular character.
  5. TheDarkStar (talk) I don't see why we need to make such specific templates. As Alex95 said, {{rewrite|needs alphabetization}} is a perfectly suitable alpabetization notice.
  6. Owencrazyboy9 (talk) Actually on second thought, using just the rewrite template works better. Per all.
  7. Power Flotzo (talk) Unnecessary and redundant. Per all.
  8. Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) If we can just use the rewrite template, that makes this redundant and redundant. Per all.
  9. TheFlameChomp (talk) With the rewrite template being available, this would just be redundant. Per all.
  10. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.
  11. Yoshi876 (talk) Per all.
  12. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per all.
  13. Mari0fan100 (talk) Alphabetical order isn't always the best order... whichever order is best can depend on the content in the article, and it's slightly redundant. Opposing for now.
  14. Mario jc (talk) What Alex said.

Comments

i said that the borders of the template is too thick and it's inconsistent with the rest of the templates in its fashion. BabyLuigiFire.png(T|C) 23:38, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

@Owen, I don't think you're supposed to just outright remove your initial vote - to my knowledge it's preferred that you strike through your initial vote and explain why your changed it in your new vote. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 01:42, August 2, 2019 (EDT)
You can remove your vote if no one is referring to it. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:24, August 2, 2019 (EDT)
Understood, thank you for clarifying. --ExdeathIcon.png Lord G. matters. ExdeathIcon.png 15:03, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

@Doomhiker, Tense can likely go. It's a subsidiary of the Rewrite template, even sharing its category. No mainspace pages are currently using it, possibly using the standard Rewrite template instead. It seems pretty redundant. As for Trivia, it's meant for one specific type of section and has its own category to go with it. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 15:16, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Even with Tense having the same category (which is shouldn't), and trivia being used for a specific type of section, more specific categories are useful just for the sake of being easier and quicker to type out. Doomhiker (talk)Topmini.png 17:12, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

One suggestion I have would be to add a parameter for the user to specify a request for another sort order other than alphabetical (e.g., "It has been requested that this section be re-organized to be in release-date order." for character screenshot galleries) as other sort orders are common and I have seen many character screenshot galleries that aren't sorted properly. This may address Results May Vary's point. --Super Mario Fan 67 (TCS) 22:53, August 2, 2019 (EDT)

Ban friend userboxes

canceled by proposer

No, not discourage. Ban.

I've seen users giving each other friend userboxes after a "friend request" (a talk page message). Thing is, this is not a social media site. There is no reason to keep around a relic from the past that should have been removed years ago.

Proposer: TheDarkStar (talk)
Deadline: August 17, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.

Oppose

  1. Niiue (talk) I don't see how friend userboxes actually negatively impact the wiki in any meaningful way, and unless I'm missing something, MarioWiki:Userspace doesn't actually say anything that'd justify banning them. In fact, the page explicitly says that non-wiki-related activities are allowed, and that building the community helps build the wiki itself. It's really only a problem when people get so invested in userspace that they stop contributing to the wiki.
  2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per my comments and Niiue.
  3. Alex95 (talk) - Userboxes still fall within userspace guidelines. As long as userspace editing doesn't become excessive, there's no reason to remove something fun.

Comments

Yes, i'm aware that this is not a social media, but as long as they are not too frequent, they can stay. I oppose. --FanOfYoshi SMM2 NSMBU Angry Sun.png 10:47, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

@Niiue: I'm pretty sure that one of the MarioWiki pages said "this is not a social media site" somewhere, but I'll remove the misinformation. Friend userboxes don't positively impact the wiki either. No reason to keep something that doesn't do anything besides look nice. SMM2-SMB3-AngrySun.pngTheDarkStar MLBISBJJDarkStar.png 11:04, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

Then why not ban userboxes entirely? Or custom signatures? Or personal images? There are a lot of things on the wiki that technically serve no purpose, and there's nothing wrong with that. The wiki isn't supposed to be serious business 24/7. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 11:33, August 10, 2019 (EDT)