Category talk:Mario Kart Tour course appearances

Long Pages

I was looking at Special:LongPages and saw that pages in this category takes up 20 of the longest 50 pages on the wiki, which seems to be attributed to the files in each table. I can think of 2 solutions for this issue, one is creating a template for the file names that work similarly to the Template:MKT favored table row, though I'm not able to develop it due to lack of knowledge, while the other one is making the tables with the favourite and favoured drivers/karts/gliders (d/k/g) only show the new additions and the bumped up d/k/g to avoid repeating the same d/k/g every tour. Both options can also be implemented, but that has to be up to someone else to work on.

The latter option would look as follows:

Tour appearances of Course Variant

Tour	Cup	Course	New Favorite			Bumped to Favorite			New Favored			Bumped to Favored
			Drivers	Karts	Gliders	Drivers	Karts	Gliders	Drivers	Karts	Gliders	Drivers	Karts	Gliders
Tour Name	Cup Icon	First/Second/Third	Driver Icons	Kart Icons	Glider Icons	...	...	...	...	...	...	...	...	...

Note: Tour appearance descriptions will be at the top of each section and Bonus Challenges will be on a table at the bottom of each section

This is not on the proposals page I feel as though it does not fulfil rule 15 "Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages" because this is more of an explanation of the changes that I will be making.

I am open to suggestions, so let me know either here or on my talk page. I will start implementing this format on newer courses in the coming days. I would also appreciate any help in performing the change, but also in maintaining the format for future tours and courses. LemonJuice 05:58, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

I prefer the previous format more. It looks more organized. I also agree with the points that Mario jc (talk) said in his edit summary. Also, what does new favorite and favored mean? WildWario (talk) 08:22, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

I agree that the new format will make information from the same tour far away from each other, which can make the page look less organised, so I am fine with reverting the changes. However, the issue of tour appearance pages being very long will not be resolved unless a template is used, though it may still be an issue in the long run, as seen with the Lists of favored and favorite courses. I won't make any further changes or revert the changes yet. The new favorite and favored refer to the new drivers/karts/gliders that are added during that tour, so old drivers/karts/gliders that have the course as favorite or favored do not have to be repeated.LemonJuice 08:59, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

I agree with WildWario massively here, the previous format was way easier to read because it was much more organized. Additionally, with the articles for courses now being merged, we could be seeing up to 16 completely separate sections, all potentially going into detail about the same few tours. I do not think anyone had a problem with the original layout, and i certainly know that majority of the people reading these articles (people looking them up casually) do not care or even realize if the pages are considered too long because of how many images are on them. as such, i believe it should be reverted back, as it doesn't just cause inconvenience for all of us, but it also makes the pages physically longer in terms of how much scrolling is required, it also overcomplicates it, creates way too many separate sections, headings, etc. and it fixes a single issue that majority of users don't even have a problem with. - RSM 13:50, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

Great to hear that this matter has been resolved, and I am fine with the outcome. I would also like to point out another reason for my planned change, being that long pages take a long time to load and edit, thus why List of favored and favorite courses in Mario Kart Tour and List of tours in Mario Kart Tour were split (even with a template), so I just wanted to let you know about that, in case you didn't know. LemonJuice 22:34, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

Just wanted to mention that the issue I see with this category of pages, which is related to the length of the pages, significantly increasing loading times, can be somewhat solved without changing the actual presentation of the pages, being done through the newly created template, Template:MKT course appearances row. Although this will only somewhat shorten pages in this category, I think it is the best solution as in my opinion, it meets all of the aforementioned requests: keeping the pages organised and easy to use through the current table format and reducing the number of bytes per page through the new template. LemonJuice 10:12, October 2, 2022 (EDT)