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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code ~~~(~).

How To

  1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
  2. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
    1. Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
    2. Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
    3. Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
  3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
  4. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
  5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
  6. At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community.
  7. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  8. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.

The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights).

So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

Also,
NO PROPOSALS ABOUT HAVING BANJO AND CONKER ARTICLES -The Management.

CURRENTLY: 13:21, 19 April 2024 (EDT)

New Features

NWFC Chat add to sidebar

It's a pain to type "/j mwikionline" all the time when you enter chat. Why not have a seperate thing on the sidebar that says "Wifi Chat" or something which is a direct link to "/j mwikionline"? We could get some more users who dont know the room by name into the room and we can get more wifi competitors! i mean is it just me or are the same users in that room every time we go check? i mean i only go in when someone tells me to go in and i bet alot of people do that too.i feel it should be publicized to our community .Wonder how many users new this room existed before i made this Proposal. Just my point.

i mean image average guests coming in and wants to Brawl, Race, or what not? We could get a whole new breed of online social mobility!

Any Goers?

Proposer: -- WarioLoaf (talk) 23:43, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Deadline: May 17, 2008, 20:00

YAY

  1. WarioLoaf (talk) - I'm the one who proposed it , if i said NAY i'd be the wiki idiot wouldn't i be?

NAY

  1. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y – no no no. #mwikionline is a sub-chatroom of #mariowiki, not equally separate from it. It's easy enough to tell users what to do to get there from #mariowiki.
  2. ~PY Purpleyoshisig.PNG - Per Wayo. It would be really annoying for people who didn't want to go on the chat. If you want more people there, ask them to come.

Comments

Super Mario Bros.:The Lost Levels Worlds

I have noticed recently that none of the worlds in Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels have their own article. I realize that the reason for this is probably that the game is too similar to the original SMB to have it's own pages for the worlds, but it is a COMPLETELY separate game. There are new backgrounds, different and more challenging levels, backward warp zones, trampolines, overworld bloopers, etc. Another reason it may not have these articles may be because the game was never originally released outside of Japan, but though Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, and the virtual console almost every country has had the opportunity to play this game. So, I propose that just like the original game, we should make one article for each world and have the world's four levels on the article, amounting to eight new articles.

Proposer: Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG
Deadline: May 13, 2008, 17:00

Make new pages for each world

  1. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG Per myself.
  2. — Stooben Rooben Per Glitchman.
  3. YELLOWYOSHI398 Per Glitchman. Isn't SMB:LL's only real similarity with the original SMB the two games' use ofthe same graphics? Is DP's opposition really legitimate?
  4. Stumpers! They're different levels, which is enough for me.
  5. Grandy02: There are many similar graphics (though they are even not exactly the same), but the levels are definitely different, so they deserve articles.
  6. Cobold (talk · contribs) - The levels are about the only things that were different in this game. They are not modified versions of the SMB ones, but newly designed ones.
  7. HyperToad@ProposalsHT Sig.png - Per Cobold.
  8. Walkazo - Per all.
  9. My Bloody Valentine I changed my vote, seeing how each level is entirely new.
  10. BLOC PARTIER. Per Glitchman.
  11. Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Bob-omb buddy Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars-It does it on most games,Even if it is simalar and people want to compare it to the original.
  12. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png If it's all completely new, and enough users have played it to be able to write about it, then yeah, I'm for.
  13. Super-YoshiMust...eat...sig...Talk? C???-Per Stumpers.
  14. File:RPGMarioin3D.PNG Clay Mario File:RPGMarioin3D.PNG - Per the thought that Super Mario Bros. 1 and the Lost Levels are completely different

Don't make new pages for each world

Comments

Perhaps my opposition isn't valid... I've never played either game, so I have no idea what the differences are. My Bloody Valentine

Well, the levels are laid out differently, enemies can be found in different locations, the graphics are slightly enhanced, and the game has many new features to each level. I think that about sums it up. — Stooben Rooben 00:49, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
But, basically, they are still the same levels? If so, I tend to oppose. But I haven't played the games either. Time Questions 04:29, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm... Now I'm not sure what to vote for... I think I'll stay on the Opposition side for a little bit. There's still 7 days left, after all. My Bloody Valentine

They created entirely new levels. There are no "differences", you'd have to mention everything for that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:29, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Cobold's right. Some are completely new. HyperToad (talk · contribs)
All of the levels are completely new, actually. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG
All the overworlds too. - Walkazo

The only thing I'm worried about is that not enough users have played SMB:LL. It is a Japan-only game, after all. Well, there is Super Mario All-Stars, but that's from a while ago. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 17:38, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I see your point, but SMB:LL was released on the virtual console all over the world too, even though it was taken off the market in Europe and Australia after two weeks. I have SMB:LL on the VC myself, but I could still use some help with the articles. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG
Okay. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 12:52, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Smash Bros. Series Articles

Currently, this wiki has article on the Super Mario series (as a whole), as well as Donkey Kong. I think we should have articles on Template:Fakelink and ect. This espically goes for Template:Fakelink. This could mention the series appearences in the Marioverse (e. g. SSB, M&S) and a brief section about the series it's self, perhaps.

Proposer: HyperToad@ProposalsHT Sig.png
Deadline: May 14, 2008, 17:00

Make the Articles

  1. User:Yoshitheawesome They are something that at least come in contact with Mario in Smash, so they should have their own articles.
  2. Dpiconani448.gifMaster LucarioDpiconani448.gif The Aura is with me... Per Yoshitheawesome.
  3. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits)

Only Sonic

  1. HyperToad@ProposalsHT Sig.png - Yes, I, the proposer, have changed my stance. Sonic has background as a rivalry with Nintendo.
  2. — Stooben Rooben Per the common sense of the comments below.
  3. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - Per the fact that I was the one to suggest it. And also per my comment below,
  4. Stumpers! I like this idea just because it would be nice to see all the Sonic info in one place. Maybe that's the only page we need... could it be a merge of all Sega topics. Just a thought.
  5. Walkazo - Per Blitzwing.
  6. BLOC PARTIER. Per all
  7. My Bloody Valentine I am ONLY voting for the Sonic series article, nothing else.
  8. RedFire Mario - I'm choosing Sonic, because the Mario & Sonic game can be a series in the future and Mario is in the game besides series like The Legend of Zedla. Per all
  9. Shrikeswind - I feel that, as a Mario Wiki, this should focus solely on the Super Mario series and its related subseries. That said, due to the Sonic the Hedgehog series being historically regarded as the main third-party rival to the Super Mario series, the series bears a form of relevance to the Super Mario series as a whole despite the fact that neither side appeared in a game together until Mario & Sonic at the Olympics and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The same can't be said for all that many other series.
  10. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?If we keep the SSBB articles about Samus, Snake, ect. the CHARACTERS, and dun make articles about Sonic games and just sonic as a series.
  11. Time Questions: Per Blitzwing.

Nope

  1. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG This is supposed to be the MARIO wiki, we already have to much to do with the SSB series as it is, so we shouldn't bring the Sonic and Metroid series in JUST because they appeared in the smash bros. games!!!
  2. Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC Per the More Intelligent people above me.
  3. Giratinabylydarioss8.jpgPalkia47Palkia.png Dialga.png We are a Mariowiki, not a Nintendowiki. Since we a Mariowiki, we should not have articles about other series, when we are a Mariowiki.
  4. Storm Yoshi sig.pngStorm YoshiStorm Yoshi sig.pngThe Donkey Kong series is actually part of Mario contunity as he is a big 8 member. Whats the use of have Metroid when SSB is the only series it has appeared close to the Mario series...And Sonic series has no right to be here unless you define Sega as nintendo
  5. Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Bob-omb buddy Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Just because they appered in a few mario games doesn't mean we should make a page for it. Leave that to sonic wiki.
  6. WikiGuest This is a Mario Wiki, not a Sonic Wiki. :/
  7. Toadster_04 Like many above me, this is MarioWiki. We should not have articles about other series. Sonic & co., Samus, Link, etc. already have pages for their roles in Mario games. They shouldn't have pages for their roles in non-Mario games.
  8. Sonic games are fun, but that doesent mean that his articles should come to MarioWiki. Come on, thats just common sense there. Whats gonna be next, Ness appeared in Smash so we can have all of Mother's articles??? Super-YoshiMust...eat...sig...Talk? C???
  9. ~PY Purpleyoshisig.PNG - These series have only appeared in crossover games. Those games aren't really supposed to be [art of the series. And it's too minor anyway. And, per all.

Comments

As I said in the vote headers, I wouldn't oppose having an article on the Sonic series, which would provides (very) basic information about the franchise and details how it affected Mario. For example, the Transformers wiki has an article on "The Gobots", which were the main competitor of Transformers some times ago. The article gives information about Gobot without having too much non-specific Transformers information and also have a section about how Gobot got referenced in Transformers and vice-versa.

Considering that Sonic was Mario main competitor back in the 90's, I think having an article on it would be about right. --Blitzwing 18:01, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm with Blitz on this one. The Sonic series can get its own article; There's already a lot of series information on Sonic's very own article. Perhaps Pokémon as well, but maybe not. But as for everything else, big NO. My Bloody Valentine

How 'bout a list? HyperToad (talk · contribs)

nty. I think the character articles are enough. My Bloody Valentine

Uh... if that's everyone's reasoning that we are a MARIOwiki, then why do we have SSB at all? HyperToad (talk · contribs)

Because Mario plays a big part in SSB. And uh, because a ot of our editors are SSB fans, duh. --Blitzwing 08:12, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

The reason I'm opposing is because there IS a limit to the amount of Smash information allowed here. :| My Bloody Valentine

Ok, Mario plays a large role in SSB, I understand that. Why do we have articles like Blizzard, Waddle Dee Toss and Condor (yes, I regret supporting that now) but not this? HyperToad (talk · contribs)

Well, I don't fully understand your reasoning for wanting to create articles on the seperate series. I mean, we have the character articles that detail cameos and whatnot, isn't that enough? :\ My Bloody Valentine

I suppose. What about the Sonic series though? HyperToad (talk · contribs)

Hmmmmmm... That's quite possibly the ONLY exception. If you look at it, whereas Pokémon is the second best-selling series after Mario, have they REALLY had such a vicious rivalry? Have they REALLY taunted each other so much and considered each other a major threat? Not really. Sonic, on the other hand. Both series have posed as a huge threat to each other in the past, and their history with each other is far greater than any other series made to oppose Mario. Sonic and Mario have a long detailed history, so a Sonic series article would definitely be valid, IMHO. My Bloody Valentine So long as it only details the series' history with the Mario series, nothing more.

So what exactly are we going to do with a Sonic (series) article? Are we going to go through every single game and describe how its sales affected Mario's sales? Are we going to compare Sonic Spinball to Mario Pinball Land? Are we going to compare Sonic's countless battles with Dr. Robotnik with Mario's countless battles with Bowser? Are we going to say how many similarities the series had? It's common knowledge that Sonic and Mario were big competitors in the early-to-mid-90's – especially in the 16-bit era. I still don't find this to be a good idea. Creating an article on the Sonic (series) is opening a door that we're constantly going to have to re-close. Users will come along, see that we have an article on the Sonic (series), and demand that we make articles on the Metroid (series), The Legend of Zelda (series), Star Fox (series), Pokemon (series)...etcetera, etcetera. I mean, this could even cause users to want an article on the Dance Dance Revolution (series) for obvious reasons; then that would lead to users wanting articles on the Karaoke Revolution (series), which would lead to an article on Rock Band, which would lead to an article on the Guitar Hero (series)... Do I need to go on? This is gonna make chaos on the wiki. >_> — Stooben Rooben No offense, HT.
Not if we come to a consenses that only Sonic is allowed. I think the whole "Sonic is Mario's rival" thing get way exagerated. And no Stoobs, we wouldn't include trivial things like Sonic Spinball and MPL. >_> And nobody here is stupid enough to want to make articles on Gutair Hero. HyperToad am leik Proposals
Alright. As long as we make it completely clear, I'm on board. — Stooben Rooben 11:56, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
While I agree that a Sonic article might be a good idea, I'm leery to vote. We've already had three attempts in the last few months to circumvent the consensus that Conker and Banjo should be kept off the wiki. As I seem to remember us already agreeing on a Sonic article at one point, I see this as the fourth attempt to mess with consensus. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 20:13, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Wait, what exactly is the proposal for? Just for making articles for serieses, right? Not making articles about things in the serieses?? Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

Well, the Sonic article would probably just detail the Sonic series' rivalry with the Mario series, and how it's had a huge impact on Mario. Storm Yoshi, please read our reasoning before choosing to leave out the Sonic series article just cuz you hate Sonic... :| My Bloody Valentine

Guys, SEE COMMON SENSE HERE, we don't have articles about the Zelda and Metroid and Star Fox and (perhaps more notably) Banjo & Conker, so why should we just have Sonic?! And in case you all forgot, this is the MARIO wiki, and Sonic not only doesn't have enough to do with Mario to have his own articles here, he wasn't even made by Nintendo!! I mean c'mon, this is insane to make articles about him!! You all know there will be more proposals suggesting the deletion of them, right?! Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG
Holy bloody Marry, calm down, no need to get all pissy-pissy from soemthing that minor, gee -_-. It isn't entirely unreasonable to makes an article on the Sonic series considering that both franchises mocked each-other on various occasions and eventually had a much publicized crossover. That's certainly more notable that Metroid being a part of SSB or Banjo & Conker appearance in Diddy Kong Racing. --Blitzwing 17:55, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Wait, I'm confused, no one answered my question! This is only for making an article Sonic the Hedgehog (series) right? Nothing else? If it passes, we're not going to start making articles all about the characters/things in the Sonic series, right? Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 18:03, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Only an article about the series. --Blitzwing 18:09, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
(calms down) Well, I guess if it's just one article and not numerous other articles about Sonic games and stuff, it would be acceptable. I still disagree, though. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG
But as others have said the article would be dealing with Sonic's rivalry with Mario, so it's not quite like talking about a diiferent game series itself, more like talking about how it affected Mario, making it perfectly in accordance with this Wiki. - Walkazo
And that brings up another issue. There is no official...well, anything, stating that Mario and Sonic have a rivalry. Nintendo and Sega, sure, but this being extended to the mascots..... -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 16:38, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, Blitzwing. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 12:56, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Couple random thoughts, one of which has nothing to do with anything but in its own screwed up way kinda relates. One: If we did this, it might be a good idea to link the game titles and characters who have no relevance to Mario (for example, Jet the Hawk) to the Sonic Wiki, that way, we don't have to make seperate pages for every single character and every single game, but we can still provide information (or more accurately, a source of information) on the characters who don't matter to Mario. Two: Bulbapedia has a good plan of action with regards to the Smash Bros. series: Only if it bears relevance to the series. This may be a good idea here, too. Three: Singly out of curiosity, why no Banjo-Kazooie and Conker? ~ Shrikeswind 22:25, 10 May 2008

Removals

None at the moment.

Splits & Merges

Super Mario Galaxy signposts merge

For a long time now, I have been considering a merge of four articles, Gil Board, Phil Board, Bill Board, and Jill Board. All of these are very similar talking signposts that appear as minor characters in Super Mario Galaxy that provide hints hints to the player, such as how to perform a wall kick or control Mario's Boo suit. As these articles are all very short and the characters playing only miniscule roles in the game and essentially non-existant roles in the Mario universe as a whole, I suggest these four articles be merged into a new one entitled "Boards (Super Mario Galaxy)".

Proposer: Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu
Deadline: May 12, 2008, 17:00

Merge into "Boards (Super Mario Galaxy)"

  1. Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu (As said above)
  2. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) Per Snack.
  3. ~Uniju(T-C-E) Per Snack, as long as the images don't end up deleted.
  4. Walkazo - Per Snack.
  5. My Bloody Valentine Per Snack.
  6. GrapesGrapes Grapes Per all. (Hey wasn't that the same idea I wrote in on the Talk:Bill Board?)
  7. Stumpers! The subjects are too minor for separation (more so than Ashley and Red, for example). Plus, they are stubs, and on one of them, literally half of the text was conjecture (about being related to the other boards, for example). Remove that, as should be done per current Wiki policy, and they are DEFINATELY stubs.
  8. Marcelagus (T • C • E) Per All.
  9. Mushroomkingdom.nl Per All
  10. User:Yoshitheawesome. Per all.
  11. RedFire Mario Per all
  12. User:Reecer6 Per all
  13. ~PY Purpleyoshisig.PNG - They're too minor. Are you going to have an article about everything that mentions it's name?

Keep them Seperate

  1. — Stooben Rooben Even if they ARE similar in nature, they still have official names and provide information completely different from each other. They contain all the information required in each article, and each have their own image.
  2. Per Stooby. Plus, they're not even stubs, almost defeating the purpose of merging. SJ derp :P
  3. HyperToad Per Stoob.
  4. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits)
  5. Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Bob-omb buddy Sprite of a Bob-omb from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Per all. They are just simalar,not the same and are different charecters that are not in a group.
  6. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG Per all. They're not even stubs, so, no reason to merge them.
  7. YELLOWYOSHI398 They seem just about like the different Paper Mario NPCs to me, and they're decided to have their own articles.
  8. CountBlumiere Per all. They're different characters, so they should have different articles.
  9. BLOC PARTIER. Uh, Per all. They ain't stubs.
  10. Princess PeachEnPeachedPrincess DaisyAren't they also in Super Paper Mario? Anyway, they shouldn't be combined, because they may be in other games. Also, per all.

Comments

I removed two votes with invalid reasons. Canama, Ashley and Red are also different characters, yet they are merged, so this logic doesn't work. However, I'm still not sure if all of the oppose voters have valid reasons. "Officially named" isn't reason enough to make a separate article, neither is "each has their own image" (again, cf. Ashley and Red example), and probably "they're not stubs" isn't either. Though I have no example for this. Time Questions 04:36, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

To all those saying the Board should be kept split because they're different, the Isle Delfino Birds are also different (They have different colors and gives different things when you kill them), and yet they got merged. The Boards doesn't seems to have a whole load of differences from each other apart from their names. --Blitzwing 06:55, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

I dunno where to side here. The arn't stubs, but they ARE short. HyperToad@ProposalsHT Sig.png

I'm with HyperToad here. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 18:07, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Split Para-Beetle from Parabuzzy

I was looking around the wiki one day and I saw that Para-Beetle is a redirect to Parabuzzy. I checked the talk page, and saw that users had said the name was changed. Now, this did not make sense to me, simply because I had not heard from anywhere official that Para-Beetles got a name change. So I say we split the two pages, as they are a separate species.

And also... I do not believe that, when split, the two pages will become stubs. This is because once they have all the information possible on their topic, they won't be a stub.

Proposer: BLOC PARTIER.
Deadline: Tuesday, May 15, 2008, at 17:00

Split It

  1. BLOC PARTIER. I'm the proposer. :O
  2. — Stooben Rooben Per InfectedShroom.
  3. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG Per IS, as long as we're not dealing with stubs here.
  4. Walkazo - If you look at the pictures, Para Beetles don't have legs and Parabuzzies do. Plus, they behave differenty: if you jump on a Beetle it supports you, but if you jump on a Buzzy it's wings fall off. It's not just the name that seperates them, so they should be split.
  5. SJ derp :P Well, duh. Why shouldn't we split them. Like Walkazo said, they behave to differently, so per her.

No Split

  1. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 20:39, 8 May 2008 (EDT) Sorry to disagree with you IS, but I think they are supposed to be same species.
  2. If CrystalYoshi is right and they are the same species, it would be pointless to split them. Otherwise, we'd need to split Kuribo and Goomba as well, for example. --Pikax 13:48, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Comments

It doesn't even have holes that allow legs to come out of the body.

Yeah, Walkazo makes the point I was gonna say if I was put in a corner: they are biologically different. Also, remember this proposal and it's outcome? The winning side argued that Sufits are a separate species because of their biological makeup. And, more specifically, that they have legs. BLOC PARTIER.

You're right, but I need one more piece of evidence that they're different, and then I'll take my opposition away. The addition of legs is probably just character development. After all, their names are both supposed to be Para mixed with Buzzy Beetle, so I think that means they're the same. If you have evidence that they're different, tell me. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 13:05, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Parabeetles have different-colored shells. They would have different wings, as Buzzies have a bigger sprite than the Beetles(:P). Images: Parabeetle: Parabeetle.gif Parabuzzy: Para-buzzy.gif Notice the size difference? The smaller wings would look bad on the Buzzy. Not exactly decisive evidence, but great evidence nonetheless. Also, I'll have more evidence soon. BLOC PARTIER.
Comparison.png Image explains it all. also, look at the image above and its caption. BLOC PARTIER.
But I don't think all of those sprites are real. What are the two small sprites from? I know the red one is from SMB3, but what's the other one from? And the comparison image, I think the red one is just an edited image of the blue one. The red legless one and the blue one with legs never appeared in a game together, I think. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png

Pikax, that example is bad. Kuribo is Goomba's Japanese name. It's the same thing. CrystalYoshi, that sprite isn't doctored from anything. They appear in Mario 3 as 2 different enemies. SJ derp :P

Changes

None at the moment.

Miscellaneous

Coconut Mall Department Stores

In Mario Kart Wii, the Coconut Mall course has many little stores, advertisements, and other things like that. I think we should make articles for each of these, such as the one I already made, Coco Burger. If a store exists in the game and we can give the article enough information, I think we should go for it. What do you guys think?

Okay, just to clarify the options: The first one means that we make a list of all the places in Coconut Mall,similar to the list of Mario Kart sponsors. The second one means you don't want to.

To clarify even further: Yes, the first option means that a separate list will be made. Separate from the sponsors list. Because the stores in the mall are not sponsors of Mario Kart.

Proposer: Tiptup Jr. Tiptupjr.jpg
Deadline: May 9, 2008, 20:00

Make them/Make a list!

  1. Tiptup Jr. Tiptupjr.jpg So... yeah. I'm the proposer and all. Reasons stated above.
  2. Walkazo - A LIST. Not seperate artciles; they'd be stumps and a waste of space. However, since we have that Sponsor list, we might-as-well have one for the stores too. It's all valid information, even if it's just a bunch of easter-eggs.
  3. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - What Walkazo said.
  4. Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu Per Walkazo.
  5. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?See comment.
  6. Glitchmansig.PNG Glitchman (talk · contribs) Glitchmansig.PNG Per Walkazo and Arend.

Oppose!

  1. My Bloody Valentine This is the most ridiculous Proposal I've ever seen. They are merely stores and posters; No REAL information is EVER given. They are just easter eggs/minor additions, nothing more. And, Stumpers, play the game first before you assume the stores and posters have information... Uh-oh, that sounded kinda impolite. D= On that note, quite a bit of the information shown on the example given by Tiptup Jr. is kinda false... I don't remember seeing any menus or anything of the sort. X|
  2. Supertroopa Per DP. This way can't work because we can't have seperate articles of every single insignificant easter eggs as said before by DP. This has to be a wiki of more important information rather than more articles about shops that are advertised on a course of like Coconut Mall.
  3. The main the you see of the stores is a poster that says stuff you can't read. Like DP said, WHAT info is given about them: nothing. This is just plain stupid. Plus, like 90% of the Coco Burger article is false. Pictures on a wall, that isn't much of a menu. If you don't believe me, I just checked. SJ derp :P
  4. Ghost JamShyghost.PNG Another stub article we don't need. Just merge into List of Mario Kart Sponsors.
  5. Green GuyPickle.png Talk!E Per DP. Plus it's rather futile to have articles on things that don't even effect game play.
  6. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 20:34, 4 May 2008 (EDT) Merge into List of Mario Kart Sponsors and move that to Mario Kart Advertisements (since the ads themselves aren't sponsors).
  7. Stumpers! In my defense it was assuming good faith. Whatever though. Per Ghost Jam.
  8. — Stooben Rooben Per DP. These places don't even affect gameplay! K.K. Slider somewhat affects gameplay in Brawl and HE doesn't even HAVE an article. If something doesn't affect gameplay, it doesn't really deserve it's own article.
  9. Booster -- Per Ghost Jam. Just put them on the sponsors list, perhaps in their own little section.
  10. MarioGalaxy2433g5 {Talk/Contribs}- per all
  11. BLOC PARTIER. BLOC PARTIER. Per all. LOL, is that descriptive enough? :P J/K
  12. April Why we should make a list for them if they contain no info and no image of the foods. (It like the foods from Paper Mario but they had info.)

Comments

I think making these articles would make the Mario Wiki a more complete guide to Mario's world and would help people find as much information as possible about Mario Kart Wii. We could also put what type of Miis appear in each advertisement, like a female for a certain store, and a male for another. Just a thought.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiptup Jr. (talk).

Tiptup Jr., please always add a reason next to your vote, otherwise it's invalid. Even if you're the proposer. :/ Time Questions 05:53, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Since there is no actual information given on any of the stores and posters in this circuit, any information added to the article will be speculation and fan junk... My Bloody Valentine


What's about putting info of these things on the List of Mario Kart Sponsors? --Blitzwing 07:37, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Seems like a good idea, Blitzwing. My Bloody Valentine

Technically, the stores in Coconut Mall are not sponsors of Mario Kart, they're just... there. Maybe we could make a separate article with a list of Coconut Mall stores, instead of one article for each store? Tiptup Jr. Tiptupjr.jpg

I 99.9% want to say oppose because this seems like a waste of time if theses stores are just random easter eggs in a Mario Kart course-- but I haven't ever played the game yet, which is the 0.1% holding me back from voting. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 09:44, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Add them to the List of Mario Kart Sponsors. THIS I COMMAND!!! My Bloody Valentine

“This is the most ridiculous Proposal I've ever seen.”
—User:Pokemon DP

Obviously, you've forgotten a little thing called Pie (otherwise known as Proof there is a God). Also, they can't be merged with List of Mario Kart Sponsors since they aren't sponsors. I think they should be added to List of Mario Kart Sponsors, but only if the page is then moved to Mario Kart Advertisements. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 20:34, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Agreed with Plumber. The Pie Proposal was at least funny. :( My Bloody Valentine

It's nice to know that you can't really call something around these parts stupid without referring to one of my creations. XD -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 15:49, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Really, only if there really is enough information. If not, then consider merging it. File:Don Pianta2.PNGUser:Nothing444sup? 00:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

DP, are you saying that all the information on the article example given by the proposer was false fanon? That would change things quite a bit, really. Stumpers! 01:11, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

All that information is false, yes. I don't remember any menus or anything of the sort. My Bloody Valentine

So why haven't we deleted/removed false data from that article than? Stumpers! 01:16, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

For evidence, perhaps? My Bloody Valentine

Well, you're heading the opposition so do as you wish, but can you at least make a note of that so people don't get confused? Stumpers! 07:52, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Er, Yoshitheawesome, your vote isn't really valid since Stumpers changed his vote. — Stooben Rooben 15:53, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Once this proposal fails there should be another one concerning lists of stores only. The options could be "No List", "Seperate List", or "Sponsors List". By the looks of it, one of the latter two options would win that proposal, so the information will get onto the Wiki one way or another. And that's what matters, right? - Walkazo

No offense, but the only way I see a list working is if there is enough information. While I do feel the Coco Burger has a fairly decent amount of information for a non-affective store, I doubt that all stores would have enough info for even their own spots on a list. But, I don't own the game, so I couldn't say for sure. — Stooben Rooben 20:53, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
According to DP that whole page just about is fanon. I have no idea, but he doesn't want to take it down for the sake of example... I dunno. If anyone knows what is real and what isn't can you please take care of it? Stumpers! 21:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Regardless, it is FAR too minor to get its own article. A... Minor cameo with no significance other than being a minor easter egg, with it's very own article? ...Uhhhhhhh... Logic is lacking in that plan. My Bloody Valentine

Can you please clarify this: is that article fanon or not? Stumpers! 21:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

The general article is true, but the entire menu is fanon. And the Pianta getting angry... Ehhhhh, not so sure about that one. My Bloody Valentine

Tiptup Jr. should clarify the voting options. What does "Make a list" mean? Make a list separate from the Sponsors list, or make a list and put it to the Sponsors page? Because if you're thinking of the latter, several people currently opposing should better put their vote to the support section... Still, in case the support side wins, the only thing we'll know is that the information is going to be included in the wiki somehow. Whether in a list or as separate articles will still be unsettled... so I don't think it's a good idea of merging "Make separate articles" and "Make a list" into one voting option. Time Questions 13:47, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

To all those saying these Coconut business aren't sponsors, I was playing the game with a friend the other night, who pointed out that the race is taking place in the Coconut Mall, so it, and any business therein, is sponsoring the race. Same with NASCAR. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 14:55, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Okey, I think we should make a list... and put it in a List of Implied Buisnesses page. We could do that with other small... easteregg... things, like YOSHIKART in other Mariokart titles and those Supa Koopa Sneakers Koopa the quick mentions in SM64. I'm writing this in comments to explain my vote. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions?

I'm fond of this idea. Didn't we have a List of Implied Businesses article at one time? -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 23:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Actually... Since the buisnesses are ALL on Coconut Mall, I think they should be added to the Coconut Mall article. Thoughts? My Bloody Valentine

That works too. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 23:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh, the menu in Coco Burger is not false. If you drive up and look closely enough, you can see the menu items. Tiptup Jr. Tiptupjr.jpg

Uhh, when I mess around I run into walls for no reason, and when I did that on Coconut Mall, I didn't see any menus at all. SJ derp :P
Question: why was my vote removed? *Is too lazy to look in history* BLOC PARTIER.
It had no valid reason. I think it was just something like "Hmm... just merge it". Time Questions 04:44, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh kay. Lemme fix it. BLOC PARTIER.

So... Can we all agree to add all this information to the Coconut Mall article? My Bloody Valentine

I can't think of any reason why not. Stumpers! 00:42, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I'll contact the proposer about this. 'cause strictly speaking, currently more voters vote against making a list, and to include the information in the Coconut Mall article would be like making a list, basically. Given that there doesn't seem to be an opposition to this idea, though, we might remove the proposal, with Tiptup Jr.'s approval. Time Questions 04:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
We should definitely do that. Sprite of the Ruby Star in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door CrystalYoshi Yoshi Egg Sprite.png 20:44, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Trouble Center

On this wiki, there have been many Not Taken spots in the trouble center. Sometimes, this spot can go for a long time, basically never getting it done. I propose we should make automatic match-ups for troubles. (Meaning, a user posts up a trouble, and one random user gets to do that trouble.) But of course, the user does not have to do it. If he/she refuses another user gets it. If this was done, much more troubles would get completed.What do you think?
Proposer: Ninja.pngNinja YoshiNinja.png
Deadline: May 16, 2008, 20:00

Agree

  1. Reason stated above.Ninja.pngNinja YoshiNinja.png

Oppose

  1. Mario hammer smw.PNG Dark Lakitu 789 Lakitu with flag.pngThe User could be inactive.So the trouble could take a very long time to/never get completed.
  2. Stumpers! Something inherent to any Wiki is that a user cannot be forced to do anything. So, the chance that the user decided would be one who had it in there ability to fill the trouble and was also willing is very low, even when you cycle through multiple users. You'll need to get a technical mastermind to confirm this, but I believe the only way we could do this would be through a committee of users doing this by hand.
  3. My Bloody Valentine You can't force Users to do something. It's cruel! I actually think the Trouble Center should be removed...
  4. — Stooben Rooben Per all. The trouble center is redundant. 99% of the time, users just ask other users (or Sysops) for help on their talk pages.
  5. Time Questions: Per Stumpers and DP, forcing users to do things is bad. Besides, I also agree that the Trouble Center should get removed.
  6. BLOC PARTIER. Oh. Now I understand what this proposal is about. :P Per Stoobs. And yeah, the trouble center is no longer used. X_X

Comments

Hey, Goldguy: You might want to support your own proposal. ;) — Stooben Rooben 18:45, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, I agree with DP. This mess has been around long enough. I've had two proposals about this already. I still think they way we did it before the Trouble Center was better.

For those who don't remember those days, we just created a challenges page for each user and other users randomly added sets of challenges for the user to complete. We got a lot more done then than we do now. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 02:11, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah. The old way is normally the right way. My Bloody Valentine

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