Talk:Durmite

Damaging Bowser
If I understand the article correctly, this enemy is fought inside Bowser and she can take away Bowser's HP to replenish her own, correct? However, I came across another article of an enemy from this game, which trivia-section stated that it is the only enemy that can damage Bowser from inside. Which article is correct now? - 02:19, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Bowser isn't involved with the battle with Durmite. He is, however, involved with the Sea Pip Statue battle. I think that Sea Pipe Statue is the only one that can, but I may be wrong.
 * So I think the main question is: Does Bowser lose HP when Durmite executes that absorption attack? - 02:29, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

I just wrote this as far as I know. I'm not really sure if Durmite reduces Bowser's HP when sucks health, making damage to him. With the statue, the blooper hurts bowser by using a drill-based attack to the plumbers inside him by burrowing through the King Koopa's tissues. However I don't know either if Bowser loses HP caused by the Blooper's attacks inside like Durmite's

Yes, Durmite can hurt Bowser
I remember fighting Durmite. When you allow Durmite to use the straw, she will suck HP away from Bowser to cure her own. Her "X" version doesn't hurt Bowser though.
 * Ok, then I think it is necessary to adjust that information. - 15:07, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
 * Adjustment done. - 15:11, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Birdo
Can I mention her in this article?: http://www.mariowiki.com/Birdo_%28species%29
 * As Trivia for sure. It's clear that she's based on a Birdo's facial design, but it would be difficult to actually incorporate her into the article, since a caterpillar is a far cry from a dinosaur. Maybe in the future, integration will be possible. - 23:54, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
 * I think it might be ok if the article doesn't state that Durmite is based on Birdo or is a direct reference to her (because that's not officially confirmed yet), but instead only says that their facial design looks somehow similar (so there's no false statement). - 11:33, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Pillbo?
I looked in my guidebook thingy Endofenrir, and it says Pillbo for Durmite, but when I look in the boss section, it says Durmite. Could Pillbo be a name of it in another language? Can you help me with that?


 * Well I don't know Durmites names in other languages, but I guess we have a problem if there are two names listed... - 22:30, 7 October 2009 (EDT)


 * Just stick with the in-game one...--
 * I meant we might have a problem with the credibility of the source. If Pillbo is really just another name in another language, then it could have been a mistake, but if not, then it could be that Prima made some names up... - 23:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)


 * Oh I see...We're going to have to find some way around this.--


 * Okay, the more I think about it, the more sure I am. Pillbo and Wise Pillbo may not even be a mistake, or another name in a different language. Maybe this is a beta element, a english name that was going to be used, but changed it to Durmite and Wisdurm. With that information, that solves pretty much everything (guidebook could have had the beta name in it, but wasn't taken out be accidient we they came to print it).

Merge to Durmite
Note: This discussion was moved here from the former "Straw" talk page.

Though named "Straw", it clearly extends from Durmite's mouth and can easily be seen to be a proboscis. Considering Durmite is an insect of some kind, which typically have probosces, this makes it all the more likely that the Straw is one and thus a part of Durmite. Though it has individual stats, that is not definitive of an individual character. Just like Exor and Smithy, the Straw is merely a different point of attack. Merge to avoid trivial, short articles and to create a more comprehensive main article for Durmite.

Proposer: Deadline: December 17, 2009, 23:59 GMT

Merge to Durmite

 * 1) - Per proposal.
 * 2) - Per above.
 * 3) -- Per all.
 * 4) I am Zero! Suggesting what is straw and thinking it over, it seems like straw is a body part of Durmite and it should be merged. Zero signing out.
 * 5) - Per all
 * 6) - Per all. Not sure why this even got a seperate article to begin with; just because it has a different name that doesn't mean it needs its own article, and this seems to be no more than a body part of a monster covered in a different article.
 * 7) I think this should definitly be merged. Straw is a part of Durmite and is an object used in a move. Since I have seen other articles here that have descriptions of moves in them, it doesn't really make sense to put Straw separated from Durmite. The Straw is a part of Durmite, so it should be part of the article. I vote to merge the article Straw with the article Durmite.
 * 8) - Per all; body parts (which this clearly is) should not get separate articles.
 * 9) PEr all. Seems like you're on a roll with merging, Redstar.
 * 10) User:Yoshionfire Per All

Comments
Proposal has been up for 9 days, and currently has eight votes in support and none against. I think it's about time we just merge this, with a sysop's assent, but I'd like confirmation on Talk:Tuff Puff and Talk:Crystal Bit first because I have a lot of tabs open ready for clicking the Save button. Redstar 01:42, 24 December 2009 (EST)

@Gamefreak75: Thanks, but this one was suggested by Edo. Can't take credit for something I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Redstar 01:43, 24 December 2009 (EST)

@Redstar: I think you should merge it. It had a ton of votes before my proposal passed. So go for it.

'The end of the discussion moved here from the former "Straw" talk page. Please do not edit or continue discussion.'

No, Durmite CAN'T hurt Bowser
The Sea Pipe Statue IS the only boss in the game who can. here's a reason why.

If Bowser has, say 2 HP, and Durmite steals 4, Bowser would faint. And since there are no "Bowser 1-up items", Mario and Luigi would instantly get a game over.

Besides, I started my Durmite battel with Bowser having 76 HP, and after the battle (Yes, Durmite DID heal during this) he still had 76 HP.

~User:Darkfawful2

You're right. I remember fighting her too and she didn't steal Bowser's hp. URGENT EDITING NEEDED!!! User:MarioMaster720

Split Straw from Durmite
This is the same case as the previously split Lava Bud, the previously split Crystals, the previously split Crystal Bits, and many other examples. It's a separate entity with separate abilities and a separate name that is treated separately from the other enemies, the same as the others. It's not even integrated into the article properly, it might as well be its own separate article.

Proposer: Proposed Deadline: September 26, 2017, 23:59 GMT Date Withdrawn: September 14, 2017

Support

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * 2) Precedents have made it clear that these types of pages need to remain split. Per proposal.
 * 3) Per all.
 * 4) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) Per the support that got these two together. Especially those that still apply. And what about Durmite X and Straw X. Are you going to separate them too? It has less info than this especially since it has the same characteristics of Straw with few differences. Though theoretically, if this does pass, you could put them together since it isn't labeled Straw X in the game.
 * 2) - Per the original proposal above.
 * 3) Per the original proposal.
 * 4) Per Doc von Schmeltwick's comment.
 * 5) It's not sentient, it has no separate abilities, it's not even a separate part of Durmite. We'll be splitting  and  next!
 * 6) Per my reasons below.

Comments
@Yoshi the SMM: why do you oppose splitting the Straw but supported splitting the Lava Bud (not to mention that the Smithy/Exor example doesn't hold considering they both have separate articles)? 16:54, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * The Piranha Buds (yes I am going to use that even though it has been deleted via proposal) seem to be able to attack on their own without the Boss, but can't survive without the boss. The Straw never really attacks the player. You can say it attacks Bowser, but there are a few problems. First, Bowser isn't the one fighting Durmite. Second, it is not really hurting Bowser, but still gives him pain. All it does is heal Durmite. And it doesn't do it but is a tool. More so a tool than Exor. I also said in the my vote that I support those that still apply. I am not basing my vote on those that don't still apply. 17:23, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm going to be honest and say that I can't parse your comment due to your grammar. You seem to be contradicting yourself when you say that the Straw isn't hurting Bowser while inflicting pain on him (which means that it is hurting him), then you say that it heals Durmite without actually doing it. I am incredibly sorry, but I do not understand you. 17:28, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Wait really. It makes sense to me. What I am trying to say here is that Bowser feels pain, but doesn't lose HP. As for the second part, the Straw doesn't do it on its own. Durmite uses it to heal herself. 17:35, 12 September 2017 (EDT)

Please keep in mind that the Lava Bud, the Bungee Bud, and the Piranha Bud Naval Bud are all extensions of their boss counterparts. 17:02, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Bungee Bud is conjectural, so I don't see why that's split. I don't personally see why the others are either. They aren't part of the main enemy, no? 17:05, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * I'm not strongly familiar with the other two, but the Piranha Bud is treated as a separate enemy in every single regard, be it name, abilities, stats, and bestiary prominence. The simple fact that it is an extension of another enemy should not be grounds for merging them. It's like merging Luigi and Mr. L because they're the same person; you're right, but the information is much more valuable in separate articles. 17:09, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Mr. L has a much larger role than any of these guys. The information is rather large to fit on Luigi's page, who also has a role in the game. That split is more on readability and the information would be rather jumbled if merged. Here, these are minor (and in some cases, unofficially named) enemies attached to a main one. imo, neither of those Piranha examples deserve their own page. 17:19, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * What relevance does prominence have? Why does it matter whether this entity appears more than another entity if all of their aspects otherwise meet the same criteria? If you're just going to say that it's because one of them has more information, then you're missing the point. Mr. L was not split because he has a large role, as his entire article can be very easily installed into Luigi's Super Paper Mario section. Mr. L was split because, in the game's eyes, he is a separate entity with a separate name and a separate appearance and separate abilities that ultimately come together to form something that is clearly distinct from Luigi. This is the same thing, only on a smaller scale. 17:28, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * "Straw" isn't alive. It's an esophagus-like structure, but in no way sapient, and possibly not even organic. It can't attack, it is only an extra targetable thing separate from Durmite, that is used solely when Durmite uses it to do the thing that got her into the "Parasites" category. Besides, we don't even know if it's part of her body, or an actual straw, so there'd be no way to write the article on what it is without speculation or an "It might be x or maybe y" structure. At the very least, if you're going to split something, split "Durmite (small)" from Wisdurm first. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:23, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * If it's separate from Durmite... 17:28, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * It's not. It's an unsapient extension of Durmite's body. Possibly. But we don't know that. Since Durmite's an insect, that's probably what it is, and we don't have a separate article for Mario's mustache (not counting the cumulative luck point system) and unlike the Buds, displays no sapience. You want an article for each of the Wiggler's body segments? Those are separate targets for another larval enemy. How about an article for each generic Wiggler? Those are separate characters,even if they all look exactly the same. How about an article for every segment every Pokey ever has? My point is you're going crazy with the splitting. Let's split sapient, separate creatures before their body parts/accessories. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:39, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Wiggler Segment argues with you due to its existence. 17:42, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * Which solely refers to the separate segments from Sticker Star. The ones that come detached from Wiggler, not every targetable Wiggler segment in an RPG ever. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:43, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * I didn't say that I want to split every single targetable aspect of an enemy; the aspect of this enemy just happens to have a unique name and unique stats. 17:55, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
 * (gonna be honest, when I made the proposal, I though that the straw was a literally separate entity and not a literal straw, and the article did not make that clear; at this point, though, there are still interesting discussions to be had, so I'll continue to play devil's advocate)
 * This thing is little more than a mechanism to heal. It's not a creature. As for "stats," it's an OHKO target to prevent Durmite from doing a thing. Not a separate attacking creature. Not a separate form. Basically Durmite's tongue. There is no reason for this to be split. Are you going to try and split "belly" from Dark Bowser next? It just doesn't make sense to. As YSSM said above, no one even takes damage when it is used; Bowser merely makes a face, but takes no damage. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2017 (EDT)