MarioWiki:Proposals/2010/20 talk

Another Proposal on removing the FI
KEEP 6-12

We voted to keep the FI via this old proposal -. The FI is like idle and most of the pictures that are there are kind of bad (pixelly, logo everywhere, too small, etc.). and Per the reasons of the old proposal.

An alternative is to reuse old pictures like the Featured Articles, as said in the old proposal.

Proposer: Deadline: February 25, 2010, 23:00

Remove the FI

 * 1) Per proposal.
 * Per my reasoning on the old proposal. I don't think the main problem is running out of images. I think the main problem is that the concept of FIs is rubbish. Unlike articles, images are not our work. Also see my comment below.
 * 1) -- Per all.
 * 2) - Per Time Q.
 * 3) I'm done with this. We can't do featured images properly unless we have an unbiased point of view. Too bad that's impossible because we use opinions to feature images. Nothing else on our wiki uses opinions to feature things. I think featured images should go down the sewers. And the empty white space? Whatever. I don't care.
 * 4) - Per Time Q.

Keep as it is

 * 1) - There are still a lot of images that deserves to be featured. We haven't ran out of them yet.
 * 2) If you keep a sharp eye out for images, you eventually find a nice one. And of course SMG2 doesn't have any artwork yet, it doesn't even have a release date yet! I think we'll have enough images for quite a while, though.
 * 3) There's no release date of SMG2, and you're expecting artwork from that game to just fall from the sky? Per all.
 * 4) As I said before, the wiki still has plenty of images worthy of being featured. Images might not be our work but they give a break from all the writing on the main page, If we get rid of them there wont be any thing but writing on the main page.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) They're still Mario stuff, even if it wasn't our own work. Besides, Featured Images give color and touch to the main page. Come on, think of main page with just two images and the rest are text. Plus, not everyone would look at the 'Shroom anyway.
 * 7) How many times is this proposal gonna come up? Per all. And what do you mean it's been a week and no pics of SMG2? >_>' And like everyone said, who's gonna want to read a main page full of text. The pitures give it personality and color instead of reading text after text.
 * 8) - As I said in the last proposal of this, and the fact that your impatient and too literal to realize that SMG2 won't be out in a week, so give it time and enjoy the great images we have around the wiki.
 * 9) I am Zero! Per all. Zero signing out.
 * 10) Per King Bean.
 * 11) - The FI adds an artistic touch to the wiki. We can't have everyone thinking that we are a boring place that nobody wants to be at. We need to do two things to keep the wiki a happy place for some users. 1. Have images as well as articles. 2. Keep The 'Shroom running. This may as well be a proposal to remove the 'shroom as the 'shroom does not include any factual information or help the wiki knowledge in any way. The 'Shroom is simply a community project that many users like and have fun with, as are FIs - while they are very disorganized and very illogical in some places, users still like them and they should stay to make users like the wiki.
 * 12) Per all.

Comments
First of all: Super Mario Galaxy 2 has not been released yet. I don't know what you're talking about. Second: You can't just propose to "reuse old pictures", you should at least propose rules of when to do so. For example, if an image has less than 10 positive votes at the end of a week, reuse an old picture. Third: one of the reasons for opposing my old proposal was that the Main Page wouldn't be balanced anymore without the FIs. Look at our current Main Page. Since talk page proposals were added to it, it's not balanced anymore at all. Now if we remove the FIs and move the talk page proposals to the right, we could balance it out again.

About the "not our work" thing for the images. I would think of something like this to be going on the shroom', but what if we had some thing like FIs where we could have fan made Mario images made by us users? And the one with the most votes gets on the main page? Maybe? I'm not sure if this is a stupid idea or not so...
 * I wouldn't recommend that. We only have official content on the wiki, no fanon articles etc., so we shouldn't encourage users to make images themselves. But of course we could have all that in the 'Shroom. Just like the FIs ;)

Everyone, I checked on a bunch of websites and it says that it comes out on February 11th, 2010.

You seriously think that it came out last week? Wow.
 * Where did you hear that nonsense? It's supposed to come out around summer time...
 * I checked a bunch a websites, and they all said "TBA 2010". And I look at the official ones. Gamefaqs, IGN, Gamespot, you know, what you should rely on.
 * Same at the Nintendo website. Nintendo is the most official and exact one (obviously).

Okay... But we still have to get rid of the FI.


 * No, we don't all text on the main page and what someone (I forgot who...) brought up on the first removal of FI was a very good point. What will we replace it with because we can't have a huge are of whitespace on the front page.
 * There's a picture of Mario in the upper left corner and all the ads have pictures.
 * That Mario picture is not enough. And ads... I hate those things. They do not count as images in the main page since they are annoying and distracting. Besides, I use Firefox with Noscript and AdBlocker, which means I won't see those ads.
 * I forgot. There is also the picture from the Featured Articles every article.
 * Still, the purpose of FI is to give a colorful touch to our wiki. That image with Featured Articles is just there because people are visual learners. Besides, I don't find the image with the Featured Article very appealing, and the news section either. Where should we fill that empty space, then, if we remove the FI? More text?


 * The Featured Images crap is all opinion based. We can't have that. I don't know what to replace the main page, though. Let's leave it like that. :P
 * Nah, most of the time, we get good featured images, like the Super Mario Galaxy one and the Height Chart. Well, not everyone has the same opinions as us. Maybe that's why this "well-written" requirement for an FA has pretty much no meaning since we have different opinions of "well-written". Still, everyone can see low quality or blurriness, or white background, but everyone has their own opinion in other qualities of the picture.

First of all, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is coming out in March 23, 2010. Second of all, this proposal is probably going to fail considering it is 6-12 and that it wouldn't make the main page any better. Third, there are a lot of good (Mario Party) pictures waiting to be featured. Fourth, @LGM So will the Featured Quote when it passes (look at the above section). Fifth, The ones that are bad usually get deleted in a week. -
 * Dude, what the heck are you even talking about? YOU started the proposal! Are you trying to take us for fools?
 * @LGM: While I agree with you that the FIs are very disorganized and have horrible reasons so far. That is not a point against the FIs. The FIs are a good idea. The people putting those votes up are the ones you should blame for the disorganization of the page - not the page itself as I really doubt the page itself can do that much harm as it is only a webpage...

I'm going to take a break from here.


 * >_> Nothing to be discouraged about...and it's actually May, not March, it's a 2-month difference.