Gallery talk:Small Mario

Small Luigi???
umm... why is small luigi here? i mean, this is a page for small Mario! so uhh... shouldn't small luigi have his own gallery page? there is also small rosalina, peach, and toad! Mariokid (talk) 14:07, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * "Mario" is used as a catch-all term for forms like these in MarioWiki. Basically, it's usage here is on the same line as "person", so no need to take it literally. 14:09, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Per. Also, the gallery description succinctly states this: "This is a gallery of images featuring the Small form." 14:11, 2 November 2015 (EST)

but it just... doesn't feel right... do i move the page? Mariokid (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * no 14:46, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * hmm... but it's bound to cause confusion... Mariokid (talk) 14:47, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * I've cited two proposals. See this and that. They both attempted to rename **** Mario to **** form, and they failed because **** Mario is the name of the form, and search traffic toward these forms still list **** Mario as one of the higher hits. So, that's a no. At least I bothered to explain unlike Baby Luigi. I don't think it's going to confuse people. The main article itself has an infobox that tells people that it may be alternately represented by these other characters (and we had a now-defunct notice template). Typing Tanooki Luigi redirects to Tanooki Mario, so we got that covered as well.  14:48, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * For the record, I did try explain why we use it here. You don't need to throw yourself in a superior light than me or blatantly point out what I did was wrong. Besides, Mariokid, should never move a page like this especially when I explicitly stated that this is the status quo, and this is what we do, and it just creates extra work to undid your move; also, you should have asked that before you made the move, not after. You can always make a TPP if you want, but don't expect it to go anywhere. 14:56, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * woah woah ok! no need to be mean about it! you can just tell me! hey, isn't being like this against one of your wikisophy rules? When it comes to new users, always expect good faith unless obviously otherwise? seriously! if i'm learning about helping the wiki, you don't have to say it as if i'm a vandal! also, bazookamario did explain much better. (the Small Mario for all small forms does actually Confuse me, too.) Mariokid (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * I've wrote that a long time ago, I probably should delete it now since I don't 100% believe in it any more, so please don't accuse me of hypocrisy. Anyway, I personally believe that this is common sense: you should ask before you make a move, it's like shooting first and asking questions later or whatever. I never even once insinuated that you were a vandal, nor did I talk to you as if you were one, I was clearly telling you that what you did was wrong. Criticism is hard to swallow, right, but all I want you to become for you to a better user, and you need to learn from your mistakes, or you won't become a better user. 15:48, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * well i am Learning from my mistakes, but i'm afraid you're overshotting it. also, i wasn't accusing you of hypocrisy. i was just pointing out your mistake.Mariokid (talk) 16:17, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Dude, Baby Luigi, go easy on Mariokid. He's 11 years old. He's behaving, asking questions, and listening, and that's fine for me. You're being unnecessarily blunt and you need to cite previous proposals and discussions as a heads-up especially for newer users; that's the whole point of them and their archives, in case future discussions like these pop up. You haven't done this, and Mariokid did say he's confused. And if someone acts defensive like that, you need to look at your own comments, and I did see some aggression 17:21, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * I would have responded to his comment about causing confusion and I would have mentioned the proposal but you've already responded to him, so there's essentially no point for me to repeat what you have essentially said, and you didn't have to attack me by saying "at least I explained unlike Baby Luigi", which I viewed as more far more rude than my blunt response with no personal attacks against anyone. Regardless of all of this bullcrap, Mariokid still shouldn't have moved the page, and then asked questions if he should move it, that's not the logical thing to do. In all honesty, this discussion wouldn't have melted down to this, had you not personally attacked me by pointing out what I didn't do here. 17:28, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Furthermore, I don't really factor in age regarding users making inexperienced edits. I'm not trying to act condescending, all I'm saying is that what he did isn't correct, no matter how blunt I was being. I've never insulted him, I've never acted like an elitist prick, all I said was, "don't move and then ask if you should move". 17:43, 2 November 2015 (EST)

ok uhh... i don't think this argument is helping the gallery page. i think we should talk about it on my talkpage. Mariokid (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2015 (EST)
 * Well the discussion is already sorta done at this point. Ideally, yeah, we'd like the name to be a little bit fluid with the nomenclature instead of using Mario synonymously with all characters, but since that's not possible, we have to stick to what the form is officially called normally, which in this case, is Small Mario, Fat Mario, Rotting Corpse Mario, etc. because of Mario being the main character of any Mario game. 18:28, 2 November 2015 (EST)