Talk:Princess Zelda

I think this page should be deleted. Anyone agree? Paper Jorge 18:56, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
 * I would do so right away, as Super Smash Bros. is more of a inbetween-world than part of the Marioverse, but I see one of our other sysops, Son of Suns, edited this page. I want to hear his explanation first. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 19:10, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
 * The Super Smash Bros. series is a cross-over between the Marioverse and other Nintendo series. As such, information from the Super Smash Bros. series is relevant to the Marioverse, but only from the persepctive of the Marioverse. That's why all info about Zelda is from her trophy descriptions. Any more info from the Legend of Zeldfa series would be out of universe. I only expanded this page because I thought it would be a good example of a cross-over article. Zelda is a part of the extended Marioverse, and has a small part in this wiki. However, like I've said before, we shouldn't go overboard with expanded Marioverse articles. We need to concentrate on the traditional Marioverse while slowly expanding spin-off and cross-over franchises. See Bomberman for another example of a good cross-over character article. -- Son of Suns
 * I see a lot of SSB-related content, such as attacks and story background, and only the second paragraph involving anything in the Marioverse, and nothing about trophies. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 16:11, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
 * The trophies is the source of the information. Like I said before, SSB is a cross-over series that interconnects with the Marioverse. Only info from SSB is relevant to the Marioverse, so that's why her trophy background and attacks are included in the article. Info from the Legend of Zelda series would not be relevant, as that series is distinct from the Marioverse. It's like the Alien and Predator movie series. Both are distinct series that are only connected through the movie Alien vs. Predator. Info in that movie is relevant to both universes. However, info from the other Predator movies is not relevant to the Alien series as a whole, and vice versa. Only info from the cross-over movie is relevant to both and only from the persepctive of the respective universes. Plus, we have lots of other articles from the SSB series, including Master Hand and the Fighting Wire Frames. If one SSB article is deleted, all should be.-- Son of Suns
 * As I said on MarioWiki talk:List of PipeProjects, I'm willing to compromise. This article can stay as it has a slight cross-over connection, but should not be of any primary focus like the Big Eight. Wayoshi ( T&middot;C&middot;@ ) 22:56, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
 * Agreed. The extended Marioverse should not take focus away from more pressing traditional Marioverse articles. --Son of Suns
 * I also have a say in this. Shouldn't Ganondorf be deleted too? This is a MARIO wiki. Not the Zelda. Super Mario 256 12:12, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Name
It's interesting to note that all sources in SSBM name her just Zelda, not Princess Zelda (while other characters such as Fox have their full name in their trophies). Shouldn't she be filed at Zelda then? - 11:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. Check her trophy. It is her official title in the Zelda series, so I think it remain the same. 11:48, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I have read the trophy. After all, I'm just collecting opinions. - 11:49, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I think the article should be referred to as "Zelda", as all other characters in Smash Bros. get their articles' names to be the same as their trophy.

To revive the discussion, I'd like to point out similar issues for the Pokémon Trainer and Snake, which were decided in favor of the Super Smash Bros. name. There's no reason for it not to be like that here. - 10:02, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I am agreeing with Cobold. Super Smash Bros. Melee calls her Zelda, not Princess Zelda. Also, Smashbros.com calls her Zelda as well. We don NOT get our information about Zelda from The Legend of Zelda series, we get it from the Super Smash Bros. series. Think about that, this should be moved to Zelda.

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 * What? I didn't understand that. Also, the same thing applies to Fox McCloud, Falco Lombardi, and Samus Aran. Throught the game, they are referred to as Fox, Falco, and Samus, not Fox McCloud, Falco Lombardi, and Samus Aran (excluding the Trophy). Also, on Smashbros.com, they are called Fox and Samus, not Fox McCloud and Samus Aran. Thus, we should move those pages as well.
 * Well, those names do appear fully in the trophy's name. Whether we should full names or commonly used names as article names is a question that should be decided generally (Squirps has the same issue). - 10:08, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Oh, and not to forget all those Sonic characters from Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, which have their full name as article name, though I doubt they will be named fully in the game. Bowser has a short name. - 10:14, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I always figured that we went for the most common name used, so Bowser and Princess Peach made sense rather than King Bowser Koopa or Princess Peach Toadstool. However, if you want to get picky the latter would be more accurate.  In the case of Zelda, though, she's never been specifically called princess, although I believe that SSBM pointed out that she was the pricness of Hyrule.  Ugh... I'd have to fall on the plain "Zelda" side here.  19:57, 16 January 2008 (EST)

If noone is going to oppose the performed move, I'll update the links in the Templates and other pages. It could save work if you cried "oh nœs!" now, if you have to. - 16:51, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Name
I say we should change Zelda's page name to Princess Zelda. She is a princess after all, & this proposal of mine should go through. The proposal to change Rosalina's page name did not go through, but I think she is one. Wearing a crown DOES mean something.
 * This isnt a proposal, go to the proposal's page to make one. And just because someone wears a crown, doesn't mean you should clal them by something like "King Bowser". We just call him Bowser. We don't call Peach "Princess Peach", just Peach.
 * Actually, we do call Peach Princess Peach. I'd say check the trophy profiles, and if those say "Princess Zelda" then we should change.  22:43, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. The Zelda series calls her "Princess Zelda", but if she's not called that in the SSB series, leave it as is. 10:25, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * We go by the most common name used (so it's Bowser and not King Bowser). Of course she is a princess, but that doesn't make "Princess Zelda" the most used name in the crossover games. - 14:39, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course, nowadays "Peach" and especially "Daisy" are far more common than "Princess Peach" and "Princess Daisy" respectively. We really need to get one single policy down for this.  16:26, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd like to say, "well, let's just name the article based off of their respective Brawl trophy description", but I believe that the trophy descriptions vary from region to region. 16:28, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * ALL of the pages that deal with non-Mario SSBB characters need to be removed. 25T16  DDRmario.jpg  Talk to me!  01:36, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Those pages are sanctioned by Coverage. 03:27, 18 August 2011 (EDT)