MarioWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 15

Quorum for Proposals?

 * This may have to become a proposal itself depending.

I was thinking: sometimes proposals have gotten as low as 3 votes a week. That's not enough to voice the popular opinion and/or consensus. For those who don't know, a quorum is a minimum requirement for something. In this case, I think we need to set a certain # of votes total that a proposal needs to count. Even if the proposal passes, anything less than the quorum fails, but the proposal can be tried again after a month or so if wanted again.

Opinions? 22:36, 16 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, there's this big ol' problem we have here, and that's that there's all this neat stuff, like the peer editing for featured articles, the proposals, and the help board that is cool and highly used the first few weeks it's out, but then is forgotten. (can you say run-on?)  Perhaps we need a way to show new proposals on the front page, where each user will see them prior to editing.  All we have to include is the proposal, not the voting.  Right now, most Wikis have a variety of "boxes" on their front pages, (see Bulbapedia and Zelda Wiki) to involve users in the current goings on.  Look at our front page: completely devoid of anything like that.  Just: "Here's what we have articles on."  Is it any wonder that we don't have much support for anything except that?  It's not enough to see it over on the sidebar (seriously, new pictures attract more than text, remember the FAs?)... we need to have something dynamic on the mainpage.
 * But for now, this should work. Remember poor Fixitup's pictures, denied after she went through the proper steps?  We don't want any more of that or we're going to loose support.  03:05, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Your "show the proposal on the front page" sounds possible with DPL...a coding opportunity...I'm on vacation until the end of the month, but maybe we can work something else later involving such an idea. 03:49, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, sounds good to me.-1337Yoshi

Main Page Redesign
I understand that our main page is lacking. Most popular wikis have that kind of boxy-organized look that seems to work. I encourage users to attempt a redesign on a subpage of their userpage to see if we can come up with something better. -- 12:36, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I did one for a wiki not to long ago here
 * As you know, I suck at Wiki syntax. Could you either a) direct me to somewhere I can learn how to do it or b) accept a basic visual outline?  13:27, 17 August 2007 (EDT) ...because I will make one... oh, yes... I will.

I think the boxes would not only organize or front page, but it would make users more interested in the goings-on of the Wiki, like Stumpers said.
 * I'm taking on this project, starting today and working on it bit by bit when I can. 13:33, 17 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Besides just making the main page look better, I think one week is enough for people to voice their opinions. If someone is indifferent on a matter and the vote stays with 1 or 2 votes then what? Another problem is that the poll could be ended before people who want to oppose/support could have a chance to vote. 13:38, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Whoa... I didn't realize this was gonna be so popular... I'll be going head to head with people who know sintax-magic! CRUD! Oh, well. Hey, there's a forum post I started that asks what people want on the main page. Sure, I made it for me, but you guys might as well use it, seeing that you're gonna pwn me anyway. It's in the main forum... Wiki whatever it is :'), who got pwn'd 13:41, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Got a better idea: I'll bring the post to you. Here's my ideas, quoted from the page:

Featured Article (long-live!) Featured Image Most Recent Proposal Pipe Project News Links to Lists (characters, merchandise, etc.) Wiki News Mario News (release date updates, etc.) The Shroom Section (when the next Shroom is coming, what is planned) External Links Community Link (to bring forums, chat room, etc. to newbies attention)

Yeah... that's a lot. Pick and choose, boys! ...and girl. Oh, and by the way, the PowerPoint idea is failing, so I believe I'm out of this unless I can find out the syntax-magic. 13:43, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

I think Featured Images might be rejected in a current proposal. PPs are failing, if brought back to life cn be included. Wiki/Mario News good idea, Lists of course. Shroom Section if restarted again as well. Both Links good. 13:55, 17 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Yeah, Featured articles are recovering, why not?
 * I recommended this once, but everyone thought it was a bad idea since judging an image is very based on opinion, thus causing conflicts and such.
 * I like this idea.
 * We already have those on the current main page, so why not?
 * I don't know what you mean by Wiki News, since we pretty much have no news. I thought something like this was explained on the 'Shroom.
 * This could make it in there, but maybe it could be a weekly thing.
 * I think the 'Shroom is dead.
 * Yeah, sure.
 * Maybe...

13:56, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * We could indeed have a section for Mario news, but it shouldn't include every update of The Smash Bros. Dojo, for example, but merely say there are daily updates and only post big announcements from that. Any bigger news of Galaxy & the likes, like a new trailer, would indeed fit somewhere on the Main Page. - 14:15, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * That's what I was thinking of. As far as Wiki news, I mean things like: the anniversary, server changes, etc.  19:12, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Then again those things don't happen much. Also, that's what the Sitenotice is for. 19:13, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I suppose. Oh, and checking what's happening below, we may or may not have the 'Shroom either...  08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Take Back 'Shroom?
The server move ruined the July issue, but then Mr. Saudy and Xzelion have been lazy and now August is screwed over. I would rather not, but I would take it back over if the 'Shroom is going to die off otherwise, as I don't want that to happen. Thoughts? 14:11, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

If The 'Shroom got back up, would it start in August or September? Or October? o_o
 * Well when i was temporarily doing the 'Shroom no-one sent in their sections. Also i think it'd be best if Wayo took over again.
 * Saudy said I would take over when he went back to school. But he never sent me any sections.... 15:25, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Wayoshi is more active and has more time. He's a good choice if Saudy can't handle it.
 * Saudy assigned me as the Director. I plan to have The 'Shroom out after my vacation. 16:13, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
 * That would be really beutiful and touching if I were tottally gone.
 * WHOA! I THOUGHT YOU LEFT and stuff.. 14:16, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Shroom banner protected vote on this new banner
I can't re upload the banner cause it's protected, but how's this new banner I made?:

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/9/8/18/f_shroroomcopm_906e545.png

Be honest (i always add Wario into almost every Mario Wiki banner i do, so he stays) ;) -- 17:30, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Like, get the banner unprotected so you can put this one :P 17:32, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Well, It shows off the 4 main series here... I think It's K.

I like it. It stays. (The New One.)

Ah WarioLoaf, I love that. Now if only I had Photoshop... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif

Modes
Should we create articles on modes? We already have a couple of them, but if we start creating them, what will be left of the game articles? What do you guys think? 21:52, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Define mode.

Something like Adventure Mode, Party Mode, or Battle Mode. Do they belong in the game's article or are good enough be a separate article? Also, if they should be separate articles, would a category be good? 22:02, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I'd rather see an index of games with the modes in them. Then, clicking on the links would place you on the section that describes it.  This way, the game articles would retain their substance.  01:36, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Um... smallness
The SiteNotice, Image Captions, and other things are all really small today. Like, size 6 small. Anyone else having this problem?

Anyone?

...

Dang.

Hold Ctrl down and scroll up/down with the button in the middle of the mouse. You should be able to adjust the size. 00:10, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Advertising
I know advertising is important, but I was wondering if it was possible to move the ads on the bottom of the site past the categories box. Could the bottom ads be outside the border of the articles (and in effect become the bottom border)? Having the ads between the text and the categories is very distracting. -- Son of Suns
 * Agreed, the Ads are fine, but not when they have become part of the article :P
 * I agree with the two above comments.
 * I remember arguing about something like this before but Steve said that it brought in more money and if that's the case, I can endure it. 21:14, 23 August 2007 (EDT)


 * The ad and money is fine. We just want the placement moved, which seems reasonable and possible.  -- Son of Suns
 * Er... he said it looks better this way, I believe. Something about the extended page length.


 * Really? But they get in the way of the categories.  -- Son of Suns
 * I'm pretty sure he said either it can only fit there or ad revenue is best there. 00:03, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Update on Main Page Progress
Currently it looks like a design will be on the Main Page itself before school starts. Currently my design looks nice, but it's too cramped – too many minor links. This is due to my autism – I believe every minor item is important. Also, the colors are nice, but are protruding/dark. In my next update I am going to do the following:
 * Create a table-like style similar to Cobold's while retaining a light set of colors. There will still be different colors, but will look similar to each other when lightened up in a good way.
 * Trim down minor links.
 * Add descriptions for links using the "buttonlink" class Cobold found in PLUMs's sig (thanks!!).

Final product will have mainly the Knowledge Base, Wiki/Mario News, Proposal, Featured Article, Wiki Stuff, and a small section for Affiliates. External Links will be ridden of – all we need is the Forum, which is related & will go in Wiki Stuff. Thus, what is currently on my sub-page will change completely in a few days, but have the same content & more.

Anyone else is free to make a complete design of their own, if necessary a proposal can be made to choose which design takes over. 01:38, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

You're a chat party. 13:45, 24 August 2007 (EDT) I remember saying this somewhere else.
 * LOL. Additionally, I may wait to get back on my faster comp in Boston (and FF) to do serious work on this again. 13:48, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Hmm, I like Cobold's, it seems more organized... you should also have a text color on yours Wayo, since my teal font doesn't show up well. 13:56, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

IT'S OVER 7000
We now have 7000 articles, thanks to Gorilla Grab Frum Lanky Kong! Let's all give him a big hand!

Cool. Thought it might go down a bit after I start merging modes and recipes. 15:24, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Shouldn't you be saying "IT'S OVER ____" at 9000?

Yeah, this was a homage/parody. 13:58, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Bland Mario Pic
On the main page, that mario pic needs something. If i can upload this image on the wiki, you sysops can resize this and replace the current Mario image with this:

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/9/8/25/f_Big83m_024663b.png

(made by me)

-- 19:07, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I've gotta say, great job. It looks awesome, but what does Steve think.


 * I like it, except that Yoshi's nose is chipped off and Donkey riding a kart feels a bit strange compared to the others. 19:12, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Actually, DK's Kart Is chasing Mario, Wario, and the rest as bowser watches. That DK kart pose in one of my favorite artwork pieces too. Yoshi's Nose isn't chopped thats his nostril --  19:14, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

This looks really nice.

Nice, but the fact that they are on the road in the middle of nowhere seems odd... And Waluigi should be on it =P

Waluigi isn't part of the big eight. 00:14, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Uniju is just obsessed with Waluigi, just ignore him. Anyway, the picture is nice.

Hey! I'm not obsessed with him, and if any character would be added to the Big Eight(Making it the Big Nine) It would be Waluigi, and I know that he isn't in 'cuz he is not in the Big Eight... (I know people would complain to me after I said that D=  )
 * Uniju, everybody knows, that if anyone, Daisy or Birdo would make it as the next Big Eight character. Waluigi hasn't appeared in even ONE Mainstream Mario game, so, you're out of luck with Waluigi being a member of the Big Eight. You are to obsessed with him. :P

Daisy birdo or Petey, he has made it in sunshine right? Oh! Bowser jr.!

Quiet DP, DDRMM was an adventure, and Waluigi was the main villian. Birdo is a horrible, ugly, IT, and you're obsessed with Daisy. Also, I think the pic wouldn't work since the main page is being redisigned right now and it seems to be too horizontal instead of vertical. 11:05, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I think we shouldn't make any edit to the Main Page while there's an ongoing discussion about the main page style. You can create your own Main Page with that image on it and see how it fits in. - 11:09, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Plum:...


 * 1:While DDRMM is an adventure, it's a spinoff and is not very reveleant to the Marioverse overall.
 * 2: Waluigi wasn't the "main villain" like you said. He was the one who stole those key and he's the fist boss, but that's it. If anything, the Big Freezie boss in World 3 is only slighty less important.
 * 3: Birdo is more important than Waluigi, don't deny that.
 * 4: I won't comment on the Daisy portion.

WL: That's a-very nice. But what Cobold said. Gofer

If anything, this Main Page logo is even more crowded than the current one.
 * Done my main page ;) --  18:13, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Quiet Plumber, SML was an adventure, and Daisy was the main damsel-in-distress. Birdo may be horrible, ugly, but she has made the most mainstream appearances of any Non-Big Eight character, and Fixitup is obsessed with Daisy, not me. Also, DDRMM, was a Spin-Off game, despite having an adventure mode. SSBM is a Spin-Off, despite having an adventure mode, as well.
 * Note: The Adventure game genre is applied to games where you have an inventory and proceed through solving puzzles. That are games like Monkey Island. The Mario game closest to being an Adventure is Luigi's Mansion. Not all games where the character has an "adventure" belong to the Adventure game genre, don't let yourself get fooled by the namings. - 12:38, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

New Category
Should I make a new category for Fire enemies? There are pretty much like hundreds of them.


 * Fire enemies are rather minor, since when where there like hundreds of them?

Pyro Guys, Smolderin' Stu, Blazing Shroob, etc. Then there are enemies that are Made of Fire, enemies that live in Lava (which is pretty much fire). All in all, there's a lot.

This Main Page
I'm here looking for opinions on this main page design and its candidacy to replace the current design. Discuss. -- 20:02, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Design is FTW.
 * I LOATHE AND DESPISE this format, but it is very FTW.

Do it! It looks great! Wayoshi's is sorta better, but, I don't really care that much.

It looks great but I don't care which is which but as long as it have the design we needed.
 * Yeah, go with this one. It is the best design :)

I think related to the main page design is the issue of Featured Articles. I think we should give old and new users the opportunity to vote for the first NEW featured article. With more exposure on the front page, more users may have more incentive to vote for a Featured Article. I think all votes should be recast for any article that can be nominated for Featured Article status (such as Yoshi). I'm not sure if we should redo the PAIR reviews though, or accept them. -- Son of Suns
 * I think the whole PAIR thing is a little much. It should be clear whether an article is main page worthy or not. I'm stopping at the design, though, so what actually goes in the templates should be decided by the users. If you'd like to fix up the featured article process, maybe make a proposal for it, don't hesitate. But what definitely has to be done before this thing can go live is to fill the templates with actual content and not just these fillers. Here are the templates:, , . All users should feel free to add relevant content. -- 21:23, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I actually already made a proposal for it, and it was accepted. Is that enough to revert to the old system? 13:32, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Shroom
when will the shroom come out?

I dunno, but it's discussed above

When Xzelion gives me the stuff.... 13:20, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
 * I've sent it to you like..five times already >.>
 * Yeah, but they all phail to get sent >.>
 * Alright I tried again check your inbox..
 * Now the forum won't log me on..... 21:24, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Splitting Jump
I thuoght we decided to split the article Jump a long time ago. Why and when did we decide against it?
 * We didn't decide against it. I had no time to split all jumps into separate pages, so I tagged it with for others to continue. I don't know who removed that... -  05:27, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Images
Moved to Proposals

MarioWiki Party
Hey guys what do you think about the party that we all get to meet each other at one place also to celebrate the wiki's expansion but I know this will never happen.Just a thought for the future.Discuss,ideas,etc..

I'll give 3 good reasons why this is not only impossible, but not wanted: a) airplane, booking, hotel rates would be too expensive combined; b) parents would have to get involved and they are not wanted :P, c) seeing each other in real life = very strange, might freak out some (me included). 20:47, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Yes, it would be really expensive, considering some people don't live in the same country, maybe not even continents for a few. And the hotel thing Wayoshi mentioned. And I think these things take months to organize. -- Sir Grodus

You're right about that Grodus but Maybe it could happen well in my theory maybe it will never happen.

Me = Shy. Can't keep a straight face when talking to people. You just can't see my face on chat and stuff.
 * Well i can't wait for you all to see me if this ever gets afloat. -- 02:43, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

We'd need millions of dollars, anyways. If we can barely even pay income for the wiki... (according to Steve) not gonna happen. Besides, like Wayo said, that could be scary.
 * This is a rather lame idea, sorry to say. I couldn't take part, I live in Australia, and my parents don't even know I am actually talking to you guys. Am I just to suddenly say "Mom, Dad, I want to go to America to visit my MarioWiki friends for a party."? No, so, this won't work.

It's not gonna happen DP. No one has that kinda money. unless, like, Bill Gates or Wikipedia or something.
 * That's what I just said. It won't work.

That's what everyone's been saying.

new banners
Like these banners for the new main page? Ya, i am bored

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/8/30/f_FAm_67978b9.png

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/9/8/30/f_lpm_5e0fb69.png

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/9/8/30/f_QOTMm_29d67cb.png

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/8/30/f_MANNm_736f49c.png

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/8/30/f_Recentlym_df968de.png

http://img39.picoodle.com/img/img39/9/8/30/f_DIDm_730d8f0.png

-- 21:56, 30 August 2007 (EDT)


 * Nice. But it doesn't show the heads too much, just the eyes. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif
 * They only look good at an ideal resolution [1], so I don't think we can use them. -- 00:01, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

I think we should use the banners!

Bug?
When trying to add a welcome template to, I get to a "Mario is not amused" page. What's up? - 18:13, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Its the perl glitch, I dunno the full details but in a couple of days it'll wear off I think.

What's a perl glitch?
 * When you have perl like Paperluigi123 you got a Mario is not amused thing that is annoying.
 * MediaWiki sometimes restricts certain text strings in URLs when submitting or viewing the page, for security reasons (apparently hackers can get in...?). The text string "perl" is sometimes restricted, as was psy before. 18:34, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh. Thx, Wayo.

It's not MediaWiki, it's a security precaution on the server. But we have a dedicated server now, so I can disable it. -- 18:46, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 * Ya no more perl! 01:21, 1 September 2007 (EDT)


 * This reminds me of Superluigi821 and glitches. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif

Random Quote
Would it make more sense to put the Randomquote template at the Top of the page?
 * I don't think so. When the top looks empty right now, it's because we haven't got a Featured Article yet. - 12:24, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I guess you have a point.
 * I think it would be good for it to be on the top, unboxed. 22:02, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Barnstars
Would Barnstars (like those on wikipedia), or something of that nature be a good idea here? Like, say there's a user somebody appreciates, they could present a Barnstar to them, but only if they really deserve it, out of good faith. Or maybe make it so that sysops have control of things so that nothing gets out of hand with people giving themselves Barnstars for the heck of it. Just a suggestion. -- Booster
 * Don't like the soudn of that.... 22:01, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I tried user awards before, and no one wanted them. 12:04, 9 September 2007 (EDT)
 * One could always make it a proposal. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]]Chris[[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 15:33, 9 September 2007 (EDT)