Talk:Mushroom Universe

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This may help. Stacks places in terms of their greater location. Going from largest to smallest:

Starts with-->Multiverse (or meta-universe): all possible universes and dimensions, which run parallel to each other (this includes Mushroom Universe, Earth's dimension, the Factory, the dimensions of Super Paper Mario, etc.).

-->Mushroom Universe: one of many universes in the meta-universe.

-->Grand Finale Galaxy: one of many galaxies that make up the Mushroom Universe.

-->Mushroom World: a planet in the Grand Finale Galaxy.

-->Mushroom Kingdom: a country or land, one of many, on Mushroom World.

-->Toad Town: the capitol of the Mushroom Kingdom, one of many cities and areas located within the Mushroom Kingdom.

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Laws of Physics
In conjunction with the Planets article, where some of the planets in the Mushroom Universe are in shapes that disobeys the laws of physics.Isn't it possible that thease laws in the Mushroom Universe are different to an extent where a planet can be shapes other than a sphere? Or maybe a "Planet" in the Mushroom Universe can be defined as any walkable surface/has a gravity located in space?

The name. Erf.
The name seems really shaky in how it was picked. I mean, should we really look at a little gag done by an ancient animation company for a show and take it as the official name for the universe in later games? - NARCE 03:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course not, but this wiki's editors have no common sense whatsoever, so trying to reason with them and point out that the cartoon adaptations aren't even part of the same universe as the video games nor were produced by Nintendo is futile. - Ericss (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Erm. Yeah, I just noticed this. It's really a throwaway gag line by Mario that was inserted for some semblance of humor, and we don't even know if Mario even has knowledge of the name of the universe (if it can even be named by the Mushroom Kingdom to begin with - that would be a lot like some real-world country calling the universe we live in the "Chinese Universe" or something). The article must be more specific than "according to various sources", because as far as I'm aware Mario's universe was only given a "name" once, in that very specific spot. Saying that the universe Mario's come to live in is different from the real world is one thing, but applying it as an article name may be too far. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately it's the only name ever mentioned and it is from an official source so unless we get another name from different sources we have to stick with the name Mushroom Universe.
 * Eh. Can someone with the DVD or official script at least check to see if it's capitalized in subtitles? I can hardly call it a name, nor consider it applicable today. Nevermind the fact that Miyamoto and his crew never really factor in American material, so it definitely wouldn't work when speaking about Super Mario Galaxy. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:47, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Now you're getting back into the canon debate the wiki recognized the cartoons as canon so the name would apply to the SMG games IMO.
 * Miyamoto hasn't touched American material at all - the most I've seen him say is recently in that interview regarding the Koopalings, where he dismissed the American film. In his view, such things simply don't exist or matter to him when he produces a game. That is entirely besides the point, though - it would still be wise to legitimize it as an actual name, as I was alluding to before touching on Miyamoto. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:03, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Yes it's true Miyamoto isn't involved with the American stuff however he's never given a name to the universe nor has he disputed the canon statues of the cartoons therefore we go with this name because there aren't any other alternatives.
 * But my point is, can it really be considered a legitimate name in the entirety of the whole series if it was only an early throwaway gag line mentioned once by a likely misinformed or ignorant Mario who is new and still adjusting to the Mushroom Kingdom's world? And even if you can consider it a name, do the DVD subtitles / episode manuscript capitalize it to make it a title? LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Not to mention that Miyamoto and Nintendo never gave the universe a name because it has NO NAME, it's just the universe. We don't have a name for our universe either, we just call it the universe, so why on Earth would Mario's universe have a name? I don't see why people are so set on assigning it a name that was only mentioned in a episode as gag and was clearly never meant to be taken serious when no name is needed. - Ericss (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

There are actually more of other species than mushroom based ones anyway! (eg. Koopa, beanish and so on.) So why not call it the bean universe or Koopa universe?

Name
Isn't just called the "Marioverse" or "Mario-verse". I think it was mentioned in a Smash bros. game. 109.145.44.126 14:36, 2 March 2013 (EST)

It's not called anything. Why this even has its own article is a mystery to me. The universe is never referred to specifically in any game. All we know about it is that there are planets and galaxies in it and that Rosalina re-creates it sometimes. That's it. Vent (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 * This page falls into the exact same trap as Mushroom World. A throwaway comment in an old western-only cartoon means that's what the entire universe is called, now? The universe is never named, nor is the planet where most games are thought to take place (although the word earth is mentioned a few times).
 * I think people need to get their head around the idea that not everything in the Mario world is mushroomy. There's a Mushroom Kingdom and a Mushroom World (consisting of eight other kingdoms) and that's kind of it. It's just that almost all the games take place in the Mushroom Kingdom. Fizzle (talk) 10:31, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Delete the page
As agreed in the various talk sections above, this page is kinda silly and well, worthless. here's why;

1: The concept of the physical universe Mario & Co innhabits in is never addressed in-depth. Consequently, all of the article consist of vague waffling about the "real world" vs Mushroom Kingdom distinction in the DIC cartoons (which is something else entirely and already discussed on the Real World page) and summaries of random events from the Galaxy games. There's literally nothing on the universe as a physical space.

2: The "mushroom universe" comment in that Super Show episode is obviously a throwaway joke to anyone with a pulse. To take it as indicative of the universe's actual name or as a statement on its existence is... silly.

S'yeah, the page is an holdover from that unfortunate period where the active editors tried to make the series "deeper" and more continuity-heavy than it actually is, and features next-to-no worthwhile content whatsoever. As such, I propose its deletion.

Proposer: Deadline: February 04, 2014, 23:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Glowsquid
 * 2) Per proposal.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Let's place a big crunch on this article. Per Glowsquid
 * 5) Per proposal -
 * 6) Pointless page, per all.
 * 7) Per all.
 * 8) Baby Luigi's suggestion is wrong. A big rip is more like it. Useless article, by the way.
 * 9) Let's go ahead a place a black hole near it, shall we? Per Glowsquid.
 * 10) Per Pinky Pie.
 * 11) Terrible article that tries to combine the cartoons with the Galaxy games and the rest of the series. I see no reason to keep this.

Oppose

 * 1) The name hasn't been confirmed in name I'm sure, but it still seems important to me. Maybe we should just rename it to Mario's Universe instead and keep Mushroom Universe as a nickname of a sort.
 * 2) Just think about it. I think it's very important. It has a lot of information on the universe where Mario lives at.--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Comments
@Mario: Meh, deletion sounds like a Big Crunch to me 16:29, 21 January 2014 (EST)
 * NOPE.avi. 12:24, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 * But Black Holes ARE part of the universe.... 12:53, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 * Black Hole are the one that causes the Big Crunch. 12:04, 31 January 2014 (EST)

@LadiesMan, if you're gonna suggest renaming as opposed to deletion, you're going to have to make a case for the article's content as well, just sayin'. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 15:04, 27 January 2014 (EST)

No, it should be renamed to Mushroom Dimension.

@LM, a lot of it is fluff and stuff borrowed from Super Mario Galaxy. Also, comments go down here.

You're going to want to address the core issues here, which is the QUALITY of the article's content, in addition to those within t. {He proposal itself (lack of depth, unfocused positing with no concrete basis, the article's basis being that of what sounds like a throwaway not-exactly-indicating-much piece of dialog...)

No Ladies-Man. Listen to what Glowsquid is saying about the article. 10:11, 29 January 2014 (EST)
 * Alright, if you all insist. Just remember: you all are going to have to reconstruct the entire site once deletion occurs.--Ladies-Man1 (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2014 (EST)
 * Ladies-Man1, When an admin deletes a page, reconstructing the site does not happen.
 * And besides, when a admin delete the page, it permanently gone. The words, the templates, the images, they are all gone, even the talk page itself. Reconstructing the site is not part of the MarioWiki Policy, nor the Deletion Policy itself. Please take some time to find your "Reconstructing The Site". Maybe it there, maybe it not. 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)
 * The talkpage for this isn't getting deleted, the TPP will need to be kept.
 * It might be, I mean't. The TPP would only be delete if it not important. 12:16, 31 January 2014 (EST)
 * The TPP will not be deleted, it needs to be kept so people can see why the article was deleted and they don't recreate it.

Pinkie Pie, when a page is deleted, admins can restore it any time they want. The images aren't gone either; they will become unused. Either way, this whole "if you delete this, we have to completely reconstruct this site" argument is based mostly on slippery slope fallacy. 14:24, 31 January 2014 (EST)


 * Methinks he may have meant article standards or something. Even though, y'know, this page is nothing more than a relic of older times and written by outdated standars, and no one who actually knows how a wiki works would think that they hinge on the presence of a single page such as this. Lord Grammaticus (talk) 12:07, 3 February 2014 (EST)

@Ladies-Man1: The article doesn't have a lot of important information. It's just a horrible article that tries to connect the Super Show and the rest of the cartoons with the Galaxy games and the rest of the series for that matter. It's just a mess. -- 18:46, 3 February 2014 (EST)