Talk:Panel de Pon

Needed?
I'm actually not so sure if this article is needed. Doki Doki Panic introduced a lot of characters and game mechanics that are a recurring part of the Mario series today, so I think it deserves an article, but that doesn't go for Panel de Pon. Not any character from Panel de Pon became a Mario character, and this type of puzzle game titled Puzzle League outside of Japan today is also not common for the Mario series. Merge with Tetris Attack? --Grandy02 15:39, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't think either of them deserve an article. I mean, while they were both the template for two Mario games, they don't have anything to do with the Mario franchise itself.
 * Doki Doki Panic was at least the debut for many Mario series characters and other elements like the vegetables. On the other hand, none of the fairies made it into Tetris Attack for SNES and Game Boy, neither was there another Panel de Pon/Puzzle League game starring Mario characters. If Tetris Attack did not exist, it wouldn't change much for the Mario series, while Super Mario Bros. 2 based on Doki Doki Panic had and has a notable impact on the franchise.--Grandy02 10:37, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

Delete
Well, I agree with the comments above, as there is an article for Doki Doki Panic, it does belong here since it had a notable impact on the Mario franchise, but this doesn't belong here since if Tetris Attack didn't exist, t wouldn't change much for the Mario series,

Proposer: Deadline: June 20th, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

Support

 * 1) Per my proposal.
 * 2) I agree with UltraMan
 * 3) If UM3000 agrees, then I'll agree as well! Per UM3000!

Oppose

 * 1) but the point is it does exists and i see no reason why it should be deleted importance should not be an issue and it isnt fair to say that one game is more important than another especially if neither game is a mario game
 * 2) Per Goomba Shoe.
 * 3) - Per Goomba's Shoe15: Panel do Pon is just as important to Tetris Attack as Doki Doki Panic is to SMB2, and if we have one, we should have the other. The fact that Tetris Attack may not have changed the face of the Mario series like SMB2 shouldn't be a factor. The only real argument is that PdP doesn't have Mario characters, like YK:DDP did, but I still feel like it's better to have this page and not need it, than to not have it and leave some folks feeling like we have a gap in our database. It's not like we're talking about a huge amount of space here, and it actually saves us the trouble of having to go in-depth about PdP on the TA and Nintendo Puzzle Collection pages (the latter of which should also be taken into consideration when weighing the relationship between PdP and the Mario series).
 * 4) Per Iggykoopa and his alter-ego, Goomba's Shoe 15.
 * 5) - Per all.
 * 6) per and Walky
 * 7) Per walkazo and goomba's shoe15.
 * 8) If UM agrees, I disagree! Tetris Attack!

Comments
Panel de Pon may not be a Mario Universe title, but that is the origin of Tetris Attack, which contains Mario Universe characters. Of course, Tetris Attack is merely a Yoshi's Island spin-off title, while Super Mario Bros. 2 is mainstream. 08:02, 7 June 2011 (EDT) @Paperphailurethemariomonster99: Your vote makes no sense.>_<-- No... no it doesnt I'll remove it for being invalid.;)--

Merge With Tetris Attack
This isn't a Mario game. The only thing this has in common with any articles here is Tetris Attack, Lip's Stick, Nintendo Puzzle Collection, and Dr. Mario & Puzzle League. Also, this game is a base and has been reused in other themed games, such as Pokémon Puzzle Challenge and Pokémon Puzzle League. There could be more games I don't know of. This is similar to Puyo Puyo series where it has been adopted for Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and Kirby's Avalanche.

Some might argue about Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic and Super Mario Bros. 2, but that's a different beast of an argument because that game features cross adoption (Super Star for DDP and Shy Guys for Mario (franchise) for example).

I propose we merge  with Tetris Attack. Same with staff pages. The article is very short and would be better merged for an origin story of how Tetris Attack came to be. The existing page will become a redirect.

Proposer: Deadline: July 11, 2017, 23:59:59 GMT

Support

 * 1) Per all.
 * 2) - While Panel de Pon was reimagined as Tetris Attack with Mario characters, Panel de Pon itself has no relation to the Mario franchise.
 * 3) Per proposal.
 * 4) Definitely per proposal.
 * 5) Per all.
 * 6) Per all.
 * 7) Per all. also what even was my vote last time, seriously
 * 8) – Seems sensible, per all.
 * 9) Per Alex95 and proposal. The article is just repeating information from other pages such as Tetris Attack and Nintendo Puzzle Collection.
 * 10) Per all.

Oppose

 * 1) Six years ago I opposed this idea time has not changed my opinions.
 * 2) If the alternative is going into detail about Panel de Pon on Tetris Attack's page, then I'd rather keep them separate. Per the opposers of the original proposers.
 * 3) It's going to look awkward when the article for Nintendo Puzzle Collection, which contains two of three Mario games and is basically a Mario compilation, links to Tetris Attack instead of Panel de Pon (likewise for Lip's Stick among others). Tetris Attack was also rebranded under a different Japanese title (Yoshi no PanePon), so it's not quite considered the same like a merge would suggest. Additionally, the Super Famicom and GameCube versions of Panel de Pon as well as the Super Nintendo and Game Boy versions of Tetris Attack have enough differences in the credits that I think it's better off for those pages to remain split. All in all, nothing new has come to light since the above proposal, and I agree with the old opposing concerns raised in 2011; I believe that, had it passed then, Panel de Pon would have redirected to Tetris Attack anyway, being more or less the same result.

Comments
Honestly, I feel like this article should be deleted, as it has no relation to the Mario series at all, other than the games based off of it have Mario characters. If at most, Panel de Pon can be mentioned on Tetris Attack's page, but I don't think it deserves an article of its own. 00:25, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
 * I think the opposers were thinking I wanted to delete the article. This isn't like the last proposal. The info will be preserved, but will be merged with Tetris Attack, if this passes. There are notable things to talk about, but not as a separate article. -- 00:30, 28 June 2017 (EDT)