MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 4

Support

1. ~Uniju(T-C-E)I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.
2. Plumber 23:20, 17 October 2007 (EDT) I agree with Uniju.

Oppose

1. Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E Were not allowed at first, so I agree with the old rule
2. Pokémon DP We already provide a brief backstory on the character. VERY brief summaries are allowed, and have already been used. Also, we should only provide Images from Mario-based games (The Cameos articles excluded).
3. PRETxZELion ^{E T C} Per DP
4. Son of Suns - We should only provide info that appears in Mario games. We don't want this becoming a general Nintendo/video game wiki. Links should be provided to Wikipedia and other video game wikis so users can find more info about a non-Mario subject.
5. Chris Non-Mario related character articles should only list information that is relevant to said character being included in the Mario Wiki. Other information, such as a brief rundown of Zelda's history, would be out of place. Please see further comments below.
6. Cobold (talk · contribs) - For Smash Bros. characters, the trophies of them and trophies of other elements of their series should provide enough story to put together.

Comments

Mr. Guy, you don't agree because an existing rule says otherwise? Thats the reason this is a proposal, and I don't think thats a valid reason. -_-' ~Uniju(T-C-E)

And DP: Like I said in the proposal, most people who are NOT fans of that series will need to haunt down info from other places to understand any of it. So we should be able to show more info than we do, and theres nothing about Sonic Adventure on the Sonic article, or Ocarina of Time on the Zelda article, its against the rules to add that info. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

I see Sonic as an exception to the rule. Sonic and Mario have a non-game rivalry that started way back in 1992. That might be something to place an article about. -- Chris 04:10, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

In theory this proposal sounds like a good idea. But as everyonme else has said, this is Super Mario Wiki. We don't need to know what happened in Ocarina of Time to understand Zelda and Links' role in the Marioverse. And as Cobald said, for Super Smash. Bros. characters the trophies are enough to understand some stuff about thier personalities and some aspects of their personal history (Link is brave, Link saves Zelda a lot, etc.). If people want to find out more, the Internet's a big place, and it's not our job to tell people about Zelda or Earthbound or whatever, just Mario. - Walkazo

A line could be added at the end of a non-Mario characters article linking to Wikipedia or whatever series specific wiki is available. -- Chris 13:38, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

I see where you're coming from, Uniju. We should provide information to an extent. Making a page as dedicated as Mario for example would be going overboard, obviously. I think we're pretty good as it is now. :3 We should link to other Wikis, though. How about one link to Wikipedia and one link to a specialty Wiki using the same format as Uncyclopedia? Here's a couple of good Wikis:

• • Zelda Wiki from Wikia
  • Animal Crossing from Wikia <--yes, Uniju, I am being biased! You gotta admit that the two of us can carry that Wiki, though.  :D
  • Bulbapedia... whatever their URL is.

Stumpers! 00:21, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Might I add, there is also a Nintendo Wiki. Pokémon DP

This seems like a good place to make a note about crosslinking. IE: Mario links to Mario, which also has a link back to Mario. This keeps the flow of information fresh. -- Chris 15:59, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

That would be great if Wikipedia would allow it. I've seen links to us get deleted, though. Even though we rock socks. Stumpers! 20:29, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

ADD THEM!!!!

1. Arendwashere! I'm Proposer
2. Yes it's a popular cartoon and It has to do with Mario, so I don't see why not. User:Gowser
3. Yes add them! I remember in one of the episodes credits it said that they got permission by Nintendo and Sega.-Mcoolister
4. It would be nice to add an article based on a popular web show. But sadly, as I can tell from the amount of posts below, I can say, no. Sorry SMBZ lovers. =( Superjustin 18:48, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Don't add them...

1. Pokémon DP Give it a little while longer, and that article will be deleted on the French site as well. We are an encyclopedia based on REAL Mario content, not Mario content that fans of the series have made.
2. Supertroopa As Pokemon DP just mentioned this is supposed to be a site full of the content of the real Mario series of games created by Nintendo and it wouldn't work out with the articles full of the real content and the content by fans.
3. MarioBros777 It's Back to Editing!!! There's going to be a Wiki for it. Join that even though it is not out yet it will be soon. :P
4. Son of Suns - It's unofficial information, and not needed. Plus, I think the 'Shroom has a section devoted to unofficial Mario flash media.
5. Cobold (talk · contribs) - Per all.
6. PRETxZELion ^{E T C} Per All
7. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back! This wiki is about Mario games, comics, movies and official stuff. Unofficial stuff is a no.
8. Snack 12:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT) No way. Just because it is popular and relativly well known, doesn't mean it belongs here. Put it on Fantendo or something.
9. Walkazo and PP - Per all. Besides, there have been articles on fan movies in the past (i.e. Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom) and they all got deleted. Also, some stuff in the Flash movies might be a bit mature for the Wiki (RotMK had blood and gore, for example).
10. huntercrunch Per SoS. This was proposed i assume only because you are a fan yourself. If it isn't official information, then it has no place here on the wiki.
11. Full Metal Moogle they are not official.
12. 3D, no way, jose! It's nearly impossible to chronicle all fan series.
13. King Mario
14. Booster No. Even though I enjoy the series, fanworks aren't something we cover.
15. Stumpers! Okay, I'm finally saying no to this one, just because I realized how much trouble there would be in determining which fan creations should be covered and which should not be. Sorry, Arend...
16. Sorry,Arend,but there must be THOUSANDS. And half of them are innapropriate. So I say no.(Toadbert101

Add Them

1. Reasons given above. Super Yoshi10
2. Arendwashere! That's such a good idea!
3. Shrooby ^Talk We already have <youtube> (my idea) but we can only use on userpages! Steve thinks that they have so bad quality but we put the videos on the articles but with links I don't see the difference!
4. Yes. Not just mini-games, but videos for all sorts of articles. In fact, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING TODAY (they're under a section I called "Have a Look!")! Check out my first one on the Super Mario Bros. article. And I'll keep on finding more if I wan't to. All you have to do to stop me is deny this proposal. You know, I was thinking of doing this proposal anyway, but instead, I'm making it happen.Mr.Benio 20:35, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
5. Glowsquid I think that these videos could be useful on article about obscure glitches or Beta Elements, I don't think we should link to Youtube on every pages thought.
6. --[[User:Nasakid|Zach121]] 21:53, 21 October 2007 (EDT) Add them
7. Yes, videos help User:Gowser
8. Youtube links are used in the halopedia articles, why not here? Master Crash

Don't Add Them

1. Pokémon DP The article already states what the Mini-game does. No need for videos. Besides, it would be VERY hard to upload movies.
2. I have horribly slow internet, and webpages with movies would take way to long for my computer to load.
   The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShyGuy27 (talk).
3. Chris We tried this long ago. Didn't work out so well. -- Chris 15:57, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
4. Walkazo - Per Shyguy27. And even though my computer's not slow all the time, movies eat up SO much memory: I wouldn't be able to see images after three pages with videos, and three pages after that, the computer itself would stop working right. Other people are bound to have similar problems...
5. Per Walkazo PRETxZELion ^{E T C}
6. King Mario
7. ~PY -Per DP. What's the point? This isn't a virtual reality video game.
8. ~Uniju(T-C-E) Per DP. It makes articles look less professional.
9. Cobold (talk · contribs) - Links to (important) movies can be put on some pages, but we shouldn't flood the wiki with superflous, mostly low-res videos.
10. Stumpers! I'm changing my vote based on DP and Uniju's comments regarding professionalism. I could see linking working well in the cases I was talking about (trailers, etc.) Also, Youtube just sloooowed down a brand new computer in my house and reminded me just how finicky bandwidth was. Sorry, guys. :(
11. Time Questions Per Uniju and Cobold.
12. Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E Per all

Comments

Super Yoshi, PLEASE vote yourself! Also, FOR GOODNESS SAKES!! You didn't add any vote sections to this Proposal! Yeesh, anyone would have enough common sense to add the vote sections! Pokémon DP

No, he gets MY vote! Arendwashere!

Pokemon DP:Never heard of the Youtube tag?

Arend: I think Pokemon DP was talking about the fact that Super Yoshi didn't add any section to vote. Glowsquid

Glowsquid: It doesn't matter, movies don't seem very much needed on articles. I would say use that Youtube tag only on Userpages. Pokémon DP

I agree, but I was only pointing out that it wouldn't be "it would be VERY hard to upload movies", like you said.

Glowsquid

Who was Oppose voter #2? PP

Shroobario I think u put ur vote on the wrong 1 King Mario

All we have to do is put links on the article to the video. It's so simple everyone can do it. Everyone SHOULD do it if they want to help out.

Mr.Benio 20:35, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

You could do something like this on the 'Shroom, like a Video of the Issue?

I don't care if it says we can only use youtube on user pages! Just change that law. Oh and Shy guy 27 Just because you have slow internet doesn't mean we all have a slow computer! The wiki is not just centered on you you know! Super Yoshi10[http://yoshilegacy.co.nr/

Remove all In-game songs and themes

1. Pokémon DP I am the proposer, and my reasons are given above.

Keep Them

1. Plumber If the songs were ripped from the game, they are official. 23:18, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
2. ~Uniju(T-C-E)Per Plumber.
3. Stumpers! Nintendo is an official company, obviously, so by your arguement we should be keeping them rather than removing them, as long as we note that the tracks in question did not appear on the official CD. Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean we can't post about them. I mean, we have an article about Hotel Mario, but that wasn't affiliated with Nintendo even. Nintendo's offical music should be in then, right?

Comments

I don't think we should completely get rid of them. There should be a track listing in the game's own article. -- Son of Suns

Heres a good compromise. Remove the lists, move them to the appropriate articles and replace the names with those from the official sound tracks. No official name? Then it's not on the list. -- Chris 14:00, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

We agree with SoS, the song's aren't officially named, but they are official. - Walkazo and PP

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying. Pokémon DP

1. List of Songs in Super Mario Kart, move all that crap to Super Mario Kart (including download link).

2. If the name of those tracks can't be verified, add a citation needed tag next to it.

3. Run through all the articles about published game OSTs. Track for SMK have a name on one of those albums? Use that one in the article instead of X Theme. -- Chris 01:36, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

DP: We just meant that the somgs are conjectural, but still valid. It's a shame we can't get official names (same with all other conjectural information), but the info itself is still canocal and worthy of a place on the wiki. - Walkazo

OK, can we, instead, remove those In-Game articles and merge them with the actual game article? Pokémon DP If so, you can completely ignore this Proposal.

But if an actual soundtrack has been released onto a CD, that article is kept, correct? -- Son of Suns

Tough call, I know how you want every named Mario-related thing to have an article, SoS, but how much could we really write about these songs? How long they are, what CDs and/or video games they're in, whose theme songs they are (if applicable), the actual lyrics... but what else? Maybe all the officially-named songs should be put in articles for the CDs they're relased on (to make sure we don't end up with a bunch of stubs that get deleted). And as DP said, all the unnamed songs can just be part of the game articles. - Walkazo

Delicious Pie

1. Chris
2. Glowsquid As a beleiver of fascism, I know that the pie achieve greater control on the citizen and help create a better state. Glory to the pie!
3. Per Ghost Jam XD Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!^E
4. Mr.Vruet info|talk|chat I disagree with the pie idea but we could REWARD them some how....
5. Stumpers! Gimmie, gimmie, *more*! I love anything that enriches the commune. Or the communism. Whichever.
6. ~PY -Pie is cool. I still don't understand this though.
7. Snack 17:18, 30 October 2007 (EDT) - Back in '88, we didn't have the technology to hax0r pies through the intarwebz... These days, leading n00bs over at Wikipedia have developed this technology... But the proposal was thrown any since eveyone thought it was a joke... But the technology IS HERE, we just have to utilize it. If we implement this pie-hax0ring tech, we will be world famous! We could get our own Saturday morning cartoon!
8. --RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 07:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)Jeah pie
9. 3D, it's just a joke, but this is my style.
10. Shrooby ^Talk Per Ghost Jam!
11. Peachycakes 3.14 Pi is good.
12. Plumber Pie is better than Pi though.

No Pie for You (AKA COMMUNISM)

1. Son of Suns - This is pure nonsense. I also believe this proposal is so ridiculus, and I am voting for its removal. And I am a communist so I guess I am in the right section.
2. Walkazo - Per SoS (except I'm an anarchist, not a communist). I get that this a joke and I'm being a bit of a stick-in-the-mud, but the wiki is for creating professional articles about Mario. Leave the jokes for your Userpages.
3. ~Uniju(T-C-E)...Did someone hack his account just to make a spammy proposal? <_<
4. Master Crash This is by far the most ridiculous, useless proposal i've ever seen.
5. Pokémon DP Virtual Pie = Totally worthless. -_-
6. Booster -- Ugh.
7. Cobold (talk · contribs) - I don't like pie. Give me milk!
8. King Mario
9. (Toadbert101||Scream|My comic]|Sez:Per Uni...)
10. PRETxZELion ^{E T C} Waffles are better.

Comments

I vote for glasses of milk instead of pie...

...er, yes, what exactly are you trying to say? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:41, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

I was thinking that we could have a 'Pie Button' on the header bar. A user could simply click it when he/she wants pie. The button would set off an alarm on Wayoshi's computer, directing him to hax0r the pie. -- Chris 12:48, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

This proposal is perhap the most hilarious thing I ever saw here, good job. Glowsquid

What The heck is this supposed to mean? Pie?

Master Crash

Oh, for goodness sakes, this is the most ridiculous proposal I have ever seen! Why would you want to add Virtual Pie!? Pokémon DP

Did any of you ever heard of something called "Tongue-in-c

heck humor"? Glowsquid

Did you ever hear of "Serious threads"? Serious threads are for serious business. Proposals are serious thread. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

This is the last time I joke with you people. -_- -- Chris 17:40, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

LOL!..... you guys aren't gonna beat up each other are you?

Master Crash

ASPLOSION! PRETxZELion ^{E T C} The Pies go boom

Ok, nearly the last time.

You all don't seem to understand just how 1337 Wayoshi really is. He is so damn 1337 that he can actually hax0r a piece of pie, physically, through your computer screen. There is nothing virtual about it.

And I think it would be hilarious to leave a message on his talk page stating that the community has decided that he needs to start baking pies. -- Chris 17:45, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

The entire is stupid, anyway. Like Vruet said, Pie is a stupid idea, but Users should get a reward of some kind. Maybe something like what Wikipedia has. Pokémon DP

I remember someone proposing Barnstars, but that didn't fly so well. -- Chris 14:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Having a reward would be lame. If you actually want to do it, then a reward is not needed, and if you DON'T want to do it, no ones FORCING you to do it over the internet. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

Wouldn't you like to get some respect from the community? It's the least we can do, really. Seriously, man... you know you'd like it if Porple came over to your page and slapped on the Official Steve of Approval or whatnot. I dunno... something clever, not like that. Stumpers! 22:45, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

No, it sounds like nothing but bragging rights. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

Wouldn't being promoted to Patroller, Sysop or 'Crat be considered a bragging right, Uniju? Pokémon DP

No, a Patroller, Sysops, or 'Crat actually does something. A template does NOT. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

How is that NOT something to brag about? -- Chris 00:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I wish people could have some fun.~PY

Purple Yoshi: These Proposals are about SERIOUS issues, not joke issues. Want to make a joke like this, make it on your Userpage. Pokémon DP

While is started as a joke, it does have a few serious applications, especially since other people have joined the argument. I agree that we should have some kind of user recognition for those who contribute the most (I'm partial to Master Crash's idea below).

DP, I'm going to ask you to lighten up a bit. I don't mean that as an insult or an attack. Just....take things in stride, that tends to be the rule of thumb around here. -- Chris 14:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Instead of having pie, at the end of every year, there should be rewards for like:

• The most contributant user
• The nicest user
• ETC

and get like a special userbox for these awards.

for instants, there should be a pic of a golden mario trophy, and on the side it says:

This user has been the most contributant user in 2007.

Master Crash

Didn't we already do the awards thing Master Crash? A couple users won user awards at the annual Mario Wiki awards. And isn't that gonna happen again next year? I guess I am confused, 'cause we have already have done user awards at the end of the year. -- Son of Suns Or maybe I'm wrong....any help?

People, there is NOTHING FUNNY about pie. This proposal is SERIOUS BUISNESS. Snack 17:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Master Crash. And, SoS, even if we DO have User Awards on the Mario Wiki Awards, what's stopping us from giving out casual rewards? Pokémon DP

Ummmm....nothing. I wasn't talking about casual awards though. I was merely pointing out the wiki already does what Master Crash wants it to do (I think). -- Son of Suns

We had awards to games, characters, etc., but not to users. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:41, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Case closed! We need User awards! Perhaps... Pokémon DP

Nevermind then. And the lack of them does not mean we should have them. I mean, we've had this discussion before, and we've turned down awards many times as to not cause pointless flaming over "he got an award and I didn't" and all that junk. -- Son of Suns

Oh, I don't mean voting who gets an award. I mean giving a User an award for a good job they did in a certain field on the Wiki. Pokémon DP

I know what you mean DP. But that exact thing you just described has been shot down in the past for the potential of increased flaming between users. -- Son of Suns

OK, meh, it was worth a try to get awards here. Pokémon DP

I cant believe that 11 voters are voting for pie, THIS IS A JOKE! PP

Whatever. It's not like anything will come of this proposal. It will pass then nothing will happen. And if we do add a pie function at the top of all pages, I will personally lead the boycott of the Super Mario Wiki. -- Son of Suns

• sigh* Everyone get so heated up for nothing these days.

Glowsquid

A pie button at the top of the wiki is not "nothing". If this is a serious proposal, and that's what happens, this wiki will become a joke. If this proposal is a joke, it should be removed. -- Son of Suns

Quite interestinly, we don't even have Wayoshi's word on this yet. According to the proposal, he will use his 1337ness to do that. Does he even agree? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:39, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Well, IMO, the wiki lost any credibilty it might had with the whole "Wayoshi = Willy ZOMG!" thing.

Glowsquid

Regardless of what happens, I win. Simply because my proposal is getting Son of Sons all worked up. -- Chris 20:27, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Just wait until I start moving all articles here to a new wiki. ;) -- Son of Suns

(:@ OH NOEZ!!!

Master Crash

SoS, allow me to help you move articles from here to a new Wiki. :P Pokémon DP

( %@ AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Master Crash

Put this on the page when holidays are coming up

1. King Mario

Don't put this on the page when holdays are coming up

1. ~Uniju(T-C-E)Waste of time. Dumb idea anyway... N/O.
2. Pokémon DP I had to think about this one. But, sorry, we should try NOT to add Fanart to the Main Page. Also, it would be too much trouble to try and make the Main Page look different.
3. PRETxZELion ^{E T C} Per all
4. Alphaclaw11 no some people(not saying me) dont celebrate some holidays.
5. Cobold (talk · contribs) Per all. It's still fine for you to create your own version of the Main Page, where you use the special templates and bookmark that. Noone's going to stop you to apply special colors to that.
6. ~PY -Does that have to do with Mario? No!
7. Master Crash Thats what userpages are for.
8. Walkazo - Per PY and Glowsquid.
9. User:GreenYoshi No. The time spent doing that could be used to add or change things for the better of Mariowiki (pranksters, new edits, etc.)

Comments

I could see a special main-page for April Fool, but otherwise, that seem pretty useless. Glowsquid

Remove

1. Master Crash my Reason is given above
2. Glowsquid I agree, quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" are useless and make the wiki look less professional.
3. Luigibros2 they are very useless quotes that make us seem like we well add any thing to articles.
4. Pokémon DP A perfect example of a good quote, can be seen on Snake's article. Quotes like "AHHHH!!!!" have no meaning, as Glowsquid says.
5. €zlo
6. Zakor1138 'Nuff said.
7. ~PY -Quotes are supposed to tell us about the character.
8. Cobold (talk · contribs) - Quotes from the gibberish sounds from Superstar Saga are as useless as quotes saying "I'm the best", as there are a dozen of other characters with exactly the same or a very similar quote.
9.  Caps Lock LORD per everyone above.
10. User:Fly_Guy_2 We need better quotes, like Nastasia's.
11. 3D, qoutes like "Yahoo!" and "Ameena pasta gumba ray bardo" don't belong either.
12. Talk Those aren't really even quotes, but rather should be considered noises that the character makes. They may be fun to some, though they're completely pointless. I say we should go as far as to remove quotes such as "Yoshi!", because really, it tells nothing of the actual character...

Keep

1. Arendwashere! DELETING QUOTES? They're lots of fun! C'mon, keep them!
2. Peachycakes