MarioWiki:Featured Articles/N/Princess Peach

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Princess Peach was nominated at 20:03, 10 January 2008(EST).

[edit] Princess Peach

[edit] Support

1. Kamicciolo, good article with lots of details and no glaring ommisions
2. Javier12345 Now its better than the last time.
3. User:Meat Knight Per everybody, it's a greatly written article for a great character
4. Stooben Rooben Okay, the article isn't as bad as I thought. It was just that first part, which I fixed.
5. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per all.
6. InfectedShroom. Not bad. I added a bit to the SMB2 part, but otherwise, it looks great.
7. Toadster_04 A good article for a good character. The personality section seems somewhat biased, but the article overall is better than most other featured articles, not to mention this character is deserving of one.
8. User:SuperLucarioDedede Peach needs more respect because she can't defend herself exept in SSB games. PLUS if Tabuu gets a feature reward Peach should as well so I oppose the oppose Peach section. And therefore I support Peach.
9. User:Tucayo grat article, very well written, love the headlines, they are very funny.
10. Per everybody. I think it's great.Luigi001

[edit] Oppose

1. Cobold (talk · contribs) - The Super Mario Galaxy section is still quite bad. It uses wrong tense, wrong worder of events, does not focus on Peach enough and so on. Needs rewrite, definitely. The Mario Hoops 3 on 3 paragraph could be expanded and the Mario Pinball Land paragraph is totally strange and need a rewrite. Also maybe some tweaks to the order of events in Super Paper Mario, we don't want to create tension in the article but tell the events in the order they happened in time, not the game's storyline.
2. ForeverDaisy09 - Screen shots contain imagery with site logos.
3. Time Questions: In the Official Artwork section, there are twelve images of Super Princess Peach. That's way too many, and it doesn't help to show how her appearance in the games developed. Thanks for (indirectly?) pointing that out, WikiGuest.
4. Clay Mario (Talk) - Per Time Q. The gallery section is supposed to show how the character evolves throughout the games, the gallery in Princess Peach shows the exact opposite.
5. Stumpers! 12:30, 11 June 2008 (EDT) The "Appearance in Other Media" is very underdeveloped. I'm not asking for each TV show and comic to get an as in-depth section as the video games do, but I'd expect at least the stories behind the TV shows to be mentioned (ie: As it currently stands we know Princess Toadstool appeared in The Super Show! but we don't know why in terms of the in-universe events nor do we know what she specificially did. Generalities are made all around. In the portrayals section, it simply generalizes that four voice actresses voiced Peach in "most games." Definately not specific enough. We still need an image for "Wedding Peach" in the "Official Profiles and Statistics" section. The personality section could use more support, although I fould see it either way. What is the most dissapointing is the "Miscellaneous Games" section. All of those games need to be integrated into the biography in release date order per Wiki policy. In addition, Peach's adventures as a baby should be lightly referenced in the biography prior to the section on Super Mario Bros. One section should do for all games with a main article template up top.

[edit] Comments

Can we get a better quote up there? Maybe from one of the RPGs or the Super Show? Stumpers! 21:29, 10 January 2008 (EST)

There are some from the RPGs. Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I meant as the header quote, but Trogga took care of it. Sweet! Stumpers! 22:36, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Hey, Toadette 4evur, THIS is what the Mario Article should be like. If Mario were as good as this, I'd support it. InfectedShroom.

I realized that, that's why I nominated this article. Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I figured. InfectedShroom.

By the way, it looks great. I'm going to give it a big long look if I have time before supporting it, though, and maybe add more to the Super Show? What I've seen is great, though. Good job everyone! Stumpers! 22:28, 10 January 2008 (EST)

We're still lacking Mario Hoops 3 on 3 and Nintendo Comics System though. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:25, 11 January 2008 (EST)

two of the supports dont even have to do with the writing of the article. Just the character Alphaclaw11 12:41, 15 January 2008 (EST)

We've had a discussion about fan votes and the proposal to ban them was rejected. While fan votes don't really help much, there is no majority vote system for the Featured Articles - as long as there's a single oppose the article doesn't get featured - so fan votes aren't that much of a problem. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:46, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Not to sound rude, Cobold, but have even played half of the games you're complaining about? Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST)

What are you trying to say? You know, Cobold does not have to play the games in order to state that there is information missing about these games. (In fact, it is your task as a supporter to add this information or otherwise prove the opposer wrong.) Time Questions 18:15, 15 January 2008 (EST)

If he hasn't played them, how can he say that events aren't in the right order? Hmm? Toadette 4evur 15:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I'm pretty sure he'd have played SMG and SPM because of their crazy continuities (you'd need to play 'em to understand 'em, right?) Don't take it as an offense, ok? He always sounds very official, but he's not mean. Stumpers! 18:20, 15 January 2008 (EST)

I don't know the games, and thus the article should tell me what happens in them. When I don't understand the sections about games I don't have played, the section should be rewritten to help me in that. That's, after all, what the wiki should be for. Being able to look up stuff you do not know. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:59, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Here is what I'm saying. Sometimes the order in which things happen IS the order of the storyline. I'm leaning toward SMG and SPM toward these ones. I only meant those 2 games, sorry. Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST)

User:Elise I've been working too hard on fixing the problems. I still think the article is ready but opposers say something is wrong with the SMG section. I have no idea on to fix the SMG section. Can someone help?

I wish I could help, but I'm stumped too. Apperently things aren't in the "Correct chronilogical order". Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Xpike the Hedgehog, ANY support will count, even if it is a fan vote. Toadette 4evur 15:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I said that above already. Also, you have misunderstood the concept of signing. When you post a comment, you sign with ~~~~, which is automatically changed to your username and a link to your user page. Only when you forget it, others use the unsigned template to point out that it was from you. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:59, 21 January 2008 (EST)

sorry. Toadette 4evur 15:55, 22 January 2008 (EST) p.s. I found that unsigned thing on accident.

Toadette, the chronological order thingie is probably about how Yoshi's Island DS and the past events of Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time should be before Super Mario Bros. Stumpers! 12:38, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I was actually talking about not to create tension. Bowser's motives for his actions shouldn't be "revealed" at the end of the section, but started with. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:46, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I understand what Stumpers is saying, but you've still got me confused Cobold. (I'm new) Toadette 4evur 15:41, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Xluidi, fan votes DO COUNT (unfourtunently)! Also, even if we took them off we would still have 5 supporters. HyperToad

1) Good morning, you're the third to say that fan votes do count. 2) The number of supporters doesn't matter anyway as long as there is a single oppose. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:43, 22 January 2008 (EST)

User: Elise Please, no arguing.

Okey dokey. Toadette 4evur 22:47, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Who are you and what have you done with InfectedShroom?!?!?!?!? Toadette 4evur 22:24, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Please post comments at the bottom of the current discussion. Also, who are you talking to? Is there a reason for many !?!??! marks? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 06:59, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Can we have this argument in about 4 hours. I hate being disrupted when watching Titanic. Toadette 4evur 18:59, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Be careful with trolling around, you might catch a warning. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:28, 25 January 2008 (EST)

How the heck do I get a warning for THAT? Toadette 4evur 19:45, 25 January 2008 (EST) What is wrong with the SMG article???? Toadette 4evur 19:47, 25 January 2008 (EST) p.s. - Cobold, please don't tell me how many end punctuations to put, huh?

There's still a difference between SHOUTING and RANTING!!!!!, and we don't like both here. You know very well for which text you'd get a warning, the fact that you've edited it to be completely different doesn't change that. So firstly, I don't know what's wrong with the SMG article, we're not talking about it here. The section has the problem that it tries to create tension and "reveals" Bowser's plans not from the beginning on, but at the end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:18, 26 January 2008 (EST)

User: Elise I've realized I'm wasting my time with featured articles. People will visit the page whether or not it is featured, if they want to. For now on I'm just going to edit articles to the best of my ability. I also withdrew my vote.

It's ok. Toadette 4evur 18:25, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Thank you. User: Elise

I think I'm also stopping participating in featured articles. Like Elise said, people will visit the page if they want to or not. I'm removing my votes. Toadette 4evur 15:19, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Cobold, I apologize for being rude earlier. Toadette 4evur 17:27, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I guess I'll stay indifferent on this one. I've made enough people angry, and I'm too lazy to fix it myself. InfectedShroom.

User: Elise Toadette 4evur, I got your message. I'm not mad at you, I'm sorry. I was just saying it's best for me not to participate anymore.

Same here, it's ok. =) Toadette 4evur 16:52, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Cobold, I edited the Super Mario Galaxy and Mario Pinball sections. See if it's better now. Lules

You didn't say what Bowser wanted her for in the SMG section, though. I added that, though. Toadette 4evur 20:07, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Xluidi and Glitchman: Have you still any reasons to oppose? Cobold cleared his oppose, so "Per Cobold" doesn't count anymore. If you still think there's something wrong with the article, please state it, otherwise remove your votes, thanks. Time Questions 15:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

MegaMario9910: You can't oppose for nothing, you have to advise supporters on what to do about it. Your points about what topic should get featured doesn't matter, the article is featured and not the subject. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:32, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Why exactly, are there 5 games crammed into 1 section? SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, and Yoshi's Safari are all in the first section. That's chaotic. Stooben Rooben 14:17, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Because someone was under the belief that sections had to be merged because some opposer called the article "cluttered up". - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:20, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

So, should I break it up again? Stooben Rooben 16:25, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

If you feel it would help the article, go ahead. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay. Stooben Rooben 13:32, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Elise: The interaction section is incomplete...I guest I got to fill it in. Also sorry, it was me that cluttered up the first sections in order to please opposers. That's the last time I listen to one.

If no-one listens to the opposers, the article won't ever get featured though. Time Questions 16:32, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Elise: I understand but some are wrong for the reasons they oppose.

I agree: the opposition here is impossible to meet. The one about Pinball Land was already taken care of, and the rest of the complains are generic statements that only rewriting the entire article would solve... except they'd probably come back and say the same thing. Stumpers! 20:55, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Stooben, Thanks for specifying the problem... and even fixing it! I wish more opposers were like you. Stumpers! 01:00, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

No problem; it's what I do. Stooben Rooben 01:04, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Fixitup, I really don't believe that the fact that you personally haven't revised the article is a valid oppose. The point of opposing is so that other users can fix the article with you. Right now, you've left us with no choice but to wait for you to fix whatever problems you see. It defeats the purpose of the FA process, and if I may be bold, comes across as controlling: no user, even Cobold or Steve, has the power to stop an FA just because they personally haven't gone over it. You have to find your problems, report them expressly, and then work to fix them. This issue will be solved if you simply tell us what your problems are with the article. Stumpers! 23:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Well said. And, I'd be more than happy to help any weak areas of the article. Stooben Rooben 23:24, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Same here. Let us help to Fixit, or ForeverDaisy, I'm not really sure what to call you as you sign with both. Toadette !!

You people act like I said you couldn't still edit the article, what the heck. I did not say that only I could currently work on it just because I'm revising it. The fact I still know there is incorrect, misplaced, etc. information and such is a perfectly valid reason to oppose. Also, I was only siging with Fixitup for a day after the change. :P ForeverDaisy09

No, we're all very aware that we can still edit. Let's look at your comment, "When I'm done COMPLETELY reviewing the page, I will support." Conversely, until YOU (not us) are completely done reviewing the page, you will oppose. In other words, we cannot solve the problems put forward in your oppose because the problem you have put forward is that you have not completely reviewed the page. In other words, Rooben (just for example) couldn't take care of the problem, as is the goal of the FA process. Why? Because Rooben is not you. Just to clarify, the reason for opposition you gave in the above comment would be valid if you specifically said what is wrong. Just generally saying that there are problems is not a valid oppose, because we cannot know what you want done unless you tell us. Stumpers! 20:55, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Coming to such a conclusion is ridiculous. What I said has almost no connection with even suggesting no one else should be editing it. How baseless an accusation. I'd expect more from you, Stumpers. So you want me to point out exactly where the speculation and such is? Also, speculation is speculation, I shouldn't have to tell someone where the speculation is for them to notice it, and I shouldn't have to point out information that is misplaced either. That doesn't mean on terms on my oppose FYI. ForeverDaisy09

Exactly. Every article has problems in someone's opinion. The fact is, you should state specifically what you find is wrong with the article, FD09. Then, once said problem has been resolved, your vote of opposition would no longer be valid. I had stated specifically last week what I saw wrong with the article. I fixed it, (resolving said problem), making my vote of opposition no longer valid. Stooben Rooben 21:11, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Cobold left his, so you can see an example. You don't have to be too specific! Stumpers! 21:27, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

But at least he had said which areas needed improvement. Stooben Rooben 21:43, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Wikiguest -- which part of the article are you refering to? Stumpers! 01:56, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

The Official Artwork secion. It has many, many images. WikiGuest 03:36, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

But that's the point of this section. If there is much artwork for Peach, we should show it to the reader. Oh, but if you're referring to several images from the same game (such as Super Princess Peach), I agree with you. Just specify your reason please. Also, I think we should remove ForeverDaisy's vote until he gives a specific reason. Agree? Time Questions 06:14, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Seeing as we'll need to wait a week for your proposal to pass either way, I think it's okay to wait for ForeverDaisy until the proposal is over at most. I'd like to make an official proposal banning "vague" votes (as defined by 3+ users) before we take action like that. Stumpers! 18:15, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Elise: Who ever put up those new screenshots did a nice job. Yeah, me. ForeverDaisy09

How is my vote "vague". Also, it's obvious that proposal is not going to be accepted, nice try. So I think it's obvious Time Q's oppose here means nothing. Besides, there's not even a rule right now that a page can't have a certain amount of artworks, so he would have to wait until his vote actually went through to make that count. ForeverDaisy09

Well, unlike you, I did give a specific reason for my vote (and thus a suggestion how the article can be improved), rather than just stating that there's something wrong with the article and it shouldn't be featured before I'm done fixing it. Also, I think my oppose vote is perfectly valid, even if my proposal doesn't pass. Five, eight, or even twelve pictures from one game is overkill and messes the gallery up. Time Questions 18:19, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

How is giving any reason at all valid? That's an opinion backed up by... your opinion? That doesn't mean anything in my honest opinion. You could say you don't like the fact her hair is too blond in a certain artwork for an oppose and it would have just as much meaning as what you are saying. ForeverDaisy09

Okay, I'm putting a stopper in this now before you start flaming each other. -_- I have to back Time Q up on this one. Even if his proposal doesn't pull over, it's still the fact that he finds the mass amounts of Super Princess Peach artwork disastrous. Even if it is his opinion, it's no different from you saying "It has misplaced information" – which is your opinion. Everybody's reason for opposition is an opinion, in case you couldn't figure that out. Time Q pointed out where he saw a problem in the article; you, FD09, have failed to do so. Not stating where you see a problem is no different than saying, "there's a bad sentence in the article". That doesn't tell us anything about where the problem is, leaving the entire article at stake for not "being up to your standards". Stooben Rooben 20:58, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Classically three oppositions to a vote are needed to remove it in proposals. TimeQ, Rooben, and I have all espressed this opposition to the FD09 vote. Stumpers! 23:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

So his vote is invalid then? I'm just making sure. Stooben Rooben 23:15, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

In a proposal circumstance, it would be, but it is valid here. Stumpers! 23:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. Stooben Rooben 23:47, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

FD09: "Fatty"? (see history) That constitutes a personal attack. Thank you for clarifying. Those should be easy problems to fix. Stumpers! 23:50, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

It's not like that can be determined to be directed to anyone. :3 ForeverDaisy09

Yes, it could. The three users who opposed you, but this isn't the place to discuss this. I'm not about to pull any block action over something like that, but if you have further concerns let me know. Stumpers! 00:40, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

I vote for the removal of the following votes: DarkFireYoshi's (fan vote), Steam5's (fan vote), Peachfan918's (fan vote), Princess Grapes Butterfly's (fan vote), Jaffffey's (fan vote), Tomomo's (no significant reason), Sadistic Cuddlebunny's (fan vote), and StarWarriorGeno's (fan vote). InfectedShroom.

Seconded. Stumpers! 02:20, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. ForeverDaisy09 (Talk)

Fourth agree! lol, now you know we have to remove them. :P Pokémon DP

I fifth this statement :D Super-Yoshi ^{Talk? C???}

Before removing them, please check here. (By the way, I oppose the removal of those votes, even if that doesn't matter anymore.) Time Questions 08:22, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh well, obviously you didn't read it... Time Questions 17:07, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

FD -- which artwork/screenshots are out of order so I can help? Stumpers! 02:21, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure those have been fixed now.ForeverDaisy09 (Talk)

The oppose votes left are about the images with site logos and about all the artworks form Super Princess Peach, there was a proposal about the images with site logos and, at the end images with site logos were permitted. And about all the artworks of Super Princess Peach, I think there was a proposal about only having 3 artworks per game, but I think it wasn't approved, so what's next? Should the site logos from images still be removed and should some artworks be deleted or what? Javier12345 20:43, 9 June 2008 (EDT)